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Title: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on September 21, 2021, 01:56:27 AM
With the NHL pre-season scheduled to start September 25, 2021 and the regular season scheduled to start October 12, 2021, we will again be phasing out the 2020/2021 season thread at the start of the pre-season schedule September 25th.

This thread should be used for the 2021/2022 season going forward.

We will leave the 2020/2021 season discussion up until September 25th when it will be retired.  Thanks for your cooperation.  Go Jets!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 21, 2021, 03:01:26 AM
Bye, Bye, Sami. Jet's release Niku.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: gobombersgo on September 21, 2021, 09:16:47 AM
Bye, Bye, Sami. Jet's release Niku.

Hair today, gone tomorrow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 21, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
With big offseason acquisitions on D and our best players in their prime, I have to say my expectations are high. This feels like "all in". I'm hoping for a fun regular season filled with the typical highs and lows roller coaster of emotions followed by a deep playoff run in the spring. Should be a lot of fun.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 21, 2021, 02:05:30 PM
quite surprised that Chevy couldn?t at least get a 5th Rd pick for Niku


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 22, 2021, 06:38:23 PM
My men's team offer 12 pucks, and 6 rolls of tape.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 24, 2021, 02:01:42 AM
PLD will wear number 80 this year.

Sounds 9/17/93 skated together today.

The Jet's are 100% vaccinated.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: DCM on September 24, 2021, 06:34:07 AM
Ol Helle had COVID back in August. Doesn't seem impressed he had to get vaxxed..

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/jets-hellebuyck-says-bout-with-covid-was-scary


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 24, 2021, 06:51:52 PM
Niku signs with MTL... joins so many ex-Jets... Armia, Perreault, Chiarot... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on September 27, 2021, 11:35:14 AM
Good move by Montreal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 27, 2021, 04:16:51 PM
Well, that was a letdown... was hoping to see some young guns step up, new players make their marks, and Comrie grab the #2 spot... and pffttt

Lose in OT and then again in the shootout...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2021, 06:57:25 PM
Just the first game of the year. Nice to see PL80 score.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 27, 2021, 07:41:32 PM
Just the first game of the year. Nice to see PL80 score.

PLD13 = PL80 now, for those keeping score at home...

Yes, nice to see the touch, and that he came back to the ice after 12 stitches to the face... chicks dig scars...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
The walleye's were biting pretty good all weekend, so I passed on the game.

My son went instead. Said it was the same as the first bomber game, just a lot less people. Line ups to get in. Had to show is vaccine card, and drives license. Said he felt much saver at the Bomber games.




Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 28, 2021, 06:50:24 PM
Sounds like Riley Nash will center the Jets 4th line. I was hoping to see him play with AL17 and AC9. Moe says the 4th. line needs to create there own identity.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 29, 2021, 10:21:05 PM
Sounds like the top three lines to start the season will be, 81/55/26.  9/80/27.   25/17/93.  The fight is one for the 4th. line spots. But then again Moe loves to mix things up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 30, 2021, 02:40:34 AM
Harkin, Svechnikov, and Poganski, all played very well tonight. D was solid. Helli looking good also.

Nice to KC81 hasn't lost his scoring touch.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 30, 2021, 01:38:21 PM
Sounds like the top three lines to start the season will be, 81/55/26.  9/80/27.   25/17/93.  The fight is one for the 4th. line spots. But then again Moe loves to mix things up.

Interesting that Stast is demoted in favour of Copp but I understand wanting to give Copper the opportunity on his one year deal while Stastny is in his sunset years. It will hopefully result in more goals for both lines, although I really loved the grit of that third line with Lowry and Copp together as well as Appleton, and thought Harkins would have moved into Appleton's spot quite nicely. At the same time, happy to see Vesa get his NHL shot on a scoring line, as he would be useless on a fourth line role whereas Harkins may very well excel.

I expect Nash, Harkins and probably Toninato to be our fourth line to start.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on September 30, 2021, 03:34:28 PM
Wow we have a lot of left handed forwards.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 03, 2021, 02:34:31 AM
The Jets had a lot of young players in the lineup tonight and played pretty well. I really like Svech71. Skates very well, and really handles the puck well. Great pass to JM44 tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 03, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
Have been to TC just twice, watched all games, and am really excited about this Svechnikov. He really is skilled, very aware of the hustle and bustle around him and seems to make good decisions offensively and while defending.
He is the brother of Andre of the Hurricanes, who himself is an above average player


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 03, 2021, 10:53:03 PM
Have been to TC just twice, watched all games, and am really excited about this Svechnikov. He really is skilled, very aware of the hustle and bustle around him and seems to make good decisions offensively and while defending.
He is the brother of Andre of the Hurricanes, who himself is an above average player
he has earned at least a 2 way contract


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on October 04, 2021, 09:27:51 PM
According to the  Jets site, 11 players have been assigned to the Moose, including goalies Berdin and Holm.

https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-reduce-training-camp-roster-by-11-players/c-326566324

Does this mean the Jets are happy with Comrie as our backup, or are we planning to bring in another veteran ?



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 04, 2021, 09:40:58 PM
I am not surprised, I heard a week ago on CJOB that Jet's where going with Comrie as the backup, at least to start the year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 03:41:41 AM
There is some talk about CP91 playing between 81 and 26 in the season opener.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 06, 2021, 12:22:07 PM
According to the  Jets site, 11 players have been assigned to the Moose, including goalies Berdin and Holm.

https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-reduce-training-camp-roster-by-11-players/c-326566324

Does this mean the Jets are happy with Comrie as our backup, or are we planning to bring in another veteran ?



It's been long confirmed that Comrie is the back up. We can't afford to bring in anyone else.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 06, 2021, 12:23:27 PM
There is some talk about CP91 playing between 81 and 26 in the season opener.

I can't imagine that actually happening.

Maybe I'm just being a little cycnical about CP's chances, but this all seems like media hype to me. I don't expect to see him in a Jets jersey this year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 06, 2021, 01:37:56 PM
There is some talk about CP91 playing between 81 and 26 in the season opener.

Where? Scheifele sits for this game but I highly doubt Perfetti takes the 1C spot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 01:55:57 PM
I can't imagine that actually happening.

Maybe I'm just being a little cycnical about CP's chances, but this all seems like media hype to me. I don't expect to see him in a Jets jersey this year.

It would make more sense to put PS25 in the middle of 81/26. However on CJOB there was a report that CP91 has been skating with 81/26 and mite be between them for the season opener.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 06, 2021, 03:40:40 PM
It would make more sense to put PS25 in the middle of 81/26. However on CJOB there was a report that CP91 has been skating with 81/26 and mite be between them for the season opener.



I'm more inclined to believe that's strictly a developmental move.

Though PM would be remiss to not try out all the combinations he could.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 06, 2021, 05:28:45 PM
Perfetti centreing Wheeler and Connor would be ridiculous, but could be amazing.  It will be cool to see in a preseason game if he has the tools to handle that spot.  No doubt PauMo wants to see every combination in his tool bag before the preseason is over...





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 07, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
Good game tonight. NE27 looks like he's going to have another good year. Really flying tonight.

Jets also have a very solid D this year. Nice group to watch.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on October 07, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
Great game by Ehlers (2 goals on seven shots).
All six defencemen had shots on goal, and just under half our shots (17 of 40) were by defencemen.
Nice to see us throw some hits (four by Dillon, three by Harkins, two each by Nash and Lawry).
A bit disappointing that Helle let in two goals on only 18 shots, but it looks as if he may have been partially screened on the first and the second may have been a deflection.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 08, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
A little debate today at my Doctor's office. Is NE27 the best draft choice the 2.0 Winnipeg Jets have made?

Still only 25, and coming off his best year in the NHL. We also have him for another 3 years after this year.


MS55 is another great draft choice. Now 28 and has another 2 years on his current deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: drahgon on October 08, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
IMO KC81 edges out NE27 as he is consistently on the top line and the #1 pp unit. He is also signed to a long term deal. That being said, NE27 is my current favorite player!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 08, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
IMO KC81 edges out NE27 as he is consistently on the top line and the #1 pp unit. He is also signed to a long term deal. That being said, NE27 is my current favorite player!

KC81 is another great pick. I guess you could throw JM44 in that pile. So would you go:

1- KC81
2- MS55
3- NE27
4- JM44


Maybe we should do a top 5. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: drahgon on October 08, 2021, 05:01:12 PM
Can't forget about CH37...

Tough to rank with the different positions but here's a go:

1-KC81
2-MS55
3-CH37
4-NE27
5-JM44

honorable mentions also for AL17 and AC9


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 08, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
Yes, where would the Jet's be without CH37.

Would also be nice to see LS64 in the top in the next year or two.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on October 09, 2021, 06:03:23 PM
A bit concerned that Bucky allowed three goals on 23 shots, for an .870 save percentage.
Is it possible he's still feeling the effects of his COVID bout in August ?
Hopefully he'll be back to his old self soon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-vaccinated-hellebuyck-covid-19-1.6187502


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 09, 2021, 07:36:37 PM
NE27 injured twice in the game is more of a concern to me then CH37 play. Most of the goals scored on him are due to weak play in front of our net.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 09, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
Agree that the health of Ehlers, going forward, is huge

Definitely the early reviews are that our team, with a couple of adds on D., should be capable of
playing keep-away more and cutting down on great opposition chances.

My question, from watching pre-season & former seasons ?? Is Copp really a 2nd line player
I?m a fan as an overall contributor but don?t see him as a real offensive asset for all his ice time
Really hope he can help Dubois and Ehlers get to 70+ points each


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 12, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
Jets will start on the road Wednesday night 9:00 pm. First of three on the road to begin the season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 13, 2021, 05:41:05 PM
On Cap Friendly they show only 12 fwds listed and that includes Scheif who is suspended tonight & perfetti who makes his NHL debut.
Thinking Svechnikov gets in tonight ........ unless someone has heard other.
Also if Ehlers is still to hurt to go ....... does Gustafson or Reichel play           Course the Jets could go with 11 fwds & 7 D .............. or NOT !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 13, 2021, 07:54:06 PM
I AM PUMPED even know 5 hours away! Who else?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 14, 2021, 03:05:19 AM
Time to score one on the PP. Jet's need a big period.

Jets need to flex a little muscle here.

Helli not very good.

Jets will be better with MS55 in the lineup.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 14, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Well we get MS55 back for our next game, he should help our PP. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 14, 2021, 02:29:19 PM
The whole team mostly stunk last night and even when they had some solid chances, Gibson shut the door.

Just burn the tape and move on. Scheifele will be back on Saturday and that'll hopefully get the Jets on the right track in San Jose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 14, 2021, 02:38:54 PM
It's always a let down to come out flat on opening night.

I hope MS55 can help light a fire.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 14, 2021, 04:16:42 PM
Yes, it's only the first game. D pairings have to figure things out. Helli will get in game shape. Moe will figure out his lines.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 16, 2021, 02:30:32 PM
Well I am hoping for a better result tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 17, 2021, 01:59:20 AM
Solid 1st. period for the Jet's. PL80 should had 3 goals.

The Jets look tired the last 10 minutes of the 2nd. period.

PK and the PP both need work.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 17, 2021, 03:42:30 AM
I realize a country will disagree but hockey is the crispy crunch of the sports world.  After 2 months of NFL, CFL and CFB the Game of hockey just cannot compete.  I actually chose baseball over some of the Jets game tonight. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 17, 2021, 01:11:52 PM
I realize a country will disagree but hockey is the crispy crunch of the sports world.  After 2 months of NFL, CFL and CFB the Game of hockey just cannot compete.  I actually chose baseball over some of the Jets game tonight. 

I mostly agree with you.

I don't watch CFB unless there's a narrative that drives me towards it (Joe Burrow's National Championship run on the way to be the Bengals #1 pick), and definitely wouldn't watch random baseball over the Jets, but it is a busy sports season and the Jets at the beginning of their season (especially when they play poorly) are just less impactful.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 17, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
PoMo has got to go I?ve seen this story far to many times. Guy is a used car salesman in the media and a crappy implementor of systems.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 17, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Jets and Bombers always come first. Sprinkle in all other sport around them. On of best things ever invented the remote control.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2021, 12:14:43 PM
PoMo has got to go I?ve seen this story far to many times. Guy is a used car salesman in the media and a crappy implementor of systems.

So, after two bad games who do you want to see take over as head coach? You consistently crap on the guy but never offer an alternative as to who will "better" this team.

Bottom line is the players on the ice have to actually execute whatever system's in place. We've seen them buy in before but they haven't really through two games this season. It's hard to fault just the coach when the majority of the players aren't doing what they're supposed to do.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2021, 03:01:43 PM
Is it too early for the "Fire Maurice" thread?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 03:34:45 PM
Is it too early for the "Fire Maurice" thread?

Far to early. second game of the year. A number of new parts. Let's give this team a little time. decent 5 on 5 play, PP has be ugly.




Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2021, 06:18:32 PM
Far to early. second game of the year. A number of new parts. Let's give this team a little time. decent 5 on 5 play, PP has be ugly.


OK, just checking... who is in charge of specials this year?  Can we fire him already?


Oh, and Blake Wheeler into COVID protocol...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
I really liked the energy and hustle that the line of 12/17/93 had late in the 3rd. on Saturday Night. 12 needs more then a few minutes a game.  Wasn't really impressed with 81/55/26.

Dillon throwing some big hits was a plus and nice to see. Stanley's fight was something they need in the Ducks game. Can't let team push around our skill players.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 06:34:47 PM
OK, just checking... who is in charge of specials this year?  Can we fire him already?


Oh, and Blake Wheeler into COVID protocol...


No firing of anybody. Till after game 3. LOL.

Could be why he looked like he was a step behind in the last two games. Let's fire him. LOL


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2021, 07:29:49 PM
I sure hope they can put forth a more complete effort tomorrow. Division matchup and all...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2021, 07:40:09 PM
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/jets-sluggish-start-not-time-for-pitchforks-but-early-issues-need-quick-fixes (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/jets-sluggish-start-not-time-for-pitchforks-but-early-issues-need-quick-fixes)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 08:01:45 PM
BW26 17 games away from 1000. 808 points. It would be great if game 1000 was in Winnipeg, but now it doesn't look like that will happen.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2021, 08:34:37 PM
BW26 17 games away from 1000. 808 points. It would be great if game 1000 was in Winnipeg, but now it doesn't look like that will happen.

He has three years left on his contract, which is the equivalent of 246 games (less the two he's played so far this season for 244). How many games he'll miss remains to be seen but he needs 192 points to hit the 1000 milestone. As a Jet, he's got a .92 PPG average, which would pan out to a 224 points at that pace, putting him well over 1000 career points. I doubt he maintains that PPG pace but 192 points over three full seasons is only 64 points per season or .78 PPG.

There are other factors to consider such as injuries, decline in performance, deployment down the lineup/less TOI, etc. but it's not at all unrealistic to see him getting 1000 points before his contract is up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 19, 2021, 05:00:28 PM
BW26, and CP91 are out for tonight's game. NB28, in as the 7th D-man. The Jet's will go with 11 forwards and 7 D.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 19, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
Not hard to replace the approx. 8 minutes that Cole P was getting a game ......... sure hope Svechnikov (assuming he's in) shows well
Is it HellB in the nets ....... he needs to be lights out wonderful 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 19, 2021, 09:03:39 PM
Svechnikov is in tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 19, 2021, 09:15:05 PM
Wheeler is apparently symptomatic...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 19, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
Wheeler is apparently symptomatic...

Yeah. He's stuck at home for a minimum of 10 days. Hopefully he recovers fast.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 19, 2021, 11:17:34 PM
Riley Nash on PP1...?

Uh...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 20, 2021, 02:08:57 AM
Is it too early for the "Fire Maurice" thread?

How about now?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 20, 2021, 02:17:48 AM
Disappointing. The PK needs a lot of work. KC81 had a great game until he got a little lazy at the blueline.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 20, 2021, 02:27:52 AM
The all time losingest coach adds another one to his illustrious pile of L's. He couldn't even skate Wheeler into the ground for this one though. Bonus points for dressing 7 defenceman!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 20, 2021, 12:45:46 PM
Horrible, horrible.

Terrible luck (as in, great luck going the Wild's way).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 20, 2021, 12:51:57 PM
it was fun to watch at least...the implosion at the end not included.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 20, 2021, 01:18:03 PM
The Jets' defensive zone play continues to be an issue - by and large - through three games so far. We've seen this team commit to playing solid from their zone out, but that's been lost on the players recently (both last season and to start this one) and doesn't seem to be improving. Special teams are a mess and it seems like a lot of experimentation in these few games played. The fundamentals are not there and that's evidenced by their record and several other key stats.

I get the whole puck luck thing not going the Jets' way last night but that seemed to stem from poor play without the puck, questionable positioning in every zone, and lousy puck movement. That tying goal by the Wild late in the third was a microcosm on those glaring issues, IMO.

Let's say Maurice is on the chopping block. Who takes over for him? One of the current assistant coaches? Does Morrison get promoted from the Moose? Or hire an outsider? Boudreau, Julien, Tortorella, Bylsma, and Carlyle are a handful of available options. Are any of them the answer, though? Or does this losing skid speak to a larger issue within the organization? And if so, how much blame falls at the feet of the GM?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 20, 2021, 01:28:32 PM
It looks to my untrained eye that we have a very talented group that has little cohesion or chemistry. Some of that can be attributed to having players missing and then shifting players around the lineup (Wheeler this game, Scheif in game 1), new young players (Perfetti, Ves, Harkins), and new vet players (Dillon, Schmidt, Nash). The good news is that they can form that cohesion and get better play over time. I realize it's not acceptable to waste half a season while this group finds its groove but a few games is ok.

IMO this loss was considerably different than the first two trash games. This one had the emotion and the scoring touch but clearly there's work to be done.

The flukey goal off Morrissey's skate, the flukey tying goal at the end, and the chintzy offside no-goal challenge ultimately were the difference in why we lost.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 20, 2021, 04:56:38 PM
Our fourth line to this point isn't as strong as our 4th. line last year. Our 4th. line last year with Lewis, Thompson, and MP85, could be used for PK and shut down late in games.

After AC9 and AL17, not much there for PK yet. Another pairing will have to step up. Nash and ?? This is an area where App's was really starting to shine for us.

PP was moving the puck well most of the night. 80/55/81, looked good together. Missing that big cannon from PL29.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 20, 2021, 05:01:47 PM
Our PK and 5on5 puck clearing has been abysmal.

All we can do is hope that this is due to some new cast member and that everyone will learn to play more cohesively together.

But, honestly, we've retained our core pieces for a long time and shouldn't be having these issues against teams playing rookies in top-6 roles.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 20, 2021, 06:00:36 PM
Our PK and 5on5 puck clearing has been abysmal.

All we can do is hope that this is due to some new cast member and that everyone will learn to play more cohesively together.

But, honestly, we've retained our core pieces for a long time and shouldn't be having these issues against teams playing rookies in top-6 roles.

Bingo. The core of the this team should be leading by example, but isn't. (I'll give Connor a pass for his performance last night)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 20, 2021, 08:11:53 PM
KC81 - 2 goals and one game losing offside... just when you're ready to buy his jersey he does a bonehead thing like going offside with an empty net 3 on 2... yeesh.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 20, 2021, 08:16:51 PM
KC81 - 2 goals and one game losing offside... just when you're ready to buy his jersey he does a bonehead thing like going offside with an empty net 3 on 2... yeesh.

He was offside by a razor thin margin and the EN goal getting called back didn't lose the game. It was still 5-4 after that. Did you even watch the game?

Speaking of garbage: https://illegalcurve.com/frank-seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-bracing-for-more-positive-covid-19-tests-within-locker-room/ (https://illegalcurve.com/frank-seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-bracing-for-more-positive-covid-19-tests-within-locker-room/)

Also, Perfetti was sent down to the Moose today.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 21, 2021, 04:15:31 AM
CP91 back to the Moose is the right move. He needs to develop, and sitting on the bench with the Jets isn't going to do that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 21, 2021, 01:45:33 PM
7 pm start tonight. Home opener, time for a Win.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 21, 2021, 02:02:20 PM
Scheif in covid protocol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 21, 2021, 02:02:49 PM
Scheif in covid protocol

Gross. This home opener tonight is going to suck.

EDIT: Scheifele has already had one negative test and remains in protocol. If he has another negative resultant test later today, he'll be released from protocol and can play tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 21, 2021, 03:17:58 PM
Jets were expecting a slew of positive tests, but that hasn't come so far... but it is nice having the farm team so close at hand... just in case


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 21, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
With MS55 out, do you put all our fire power on one line with 81/80/27 ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 21, 2021, 04:41:46 PM
Wondering the timing on Cole Perfetti getting sent down... let him step in for Scheiffle...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 21, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
With MS55 out, do you put all our fire power on one line with 81/80/27 ?

Stastny was 1C at today's practice, Dubois at 2C.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 22, 2021, 02:06:30 AM
Jets much better tonight.

PK was better.
81/80/71 This line had a very good game.
27 is flighting around the goals are going to come.
Helli was rock solid tonight.

The Jet's still having trouble clearing there zone at times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 22, 2021, 03:15:10 AM
Can we trade MS55 and BW26?  Undefeated when both of them are out...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 22, 2021, 12:14:26 PM
Jet's much better tonight.

PK was better.
81/80/71 This line had a very good game.
27 is flighting around the goals are going to come.
Helli was rock solid tonight.

The Jet's still having trouble clearing there zone at times.

Dubois, Connor, and Svechnikov were great last night. Some real nice puck movement on setting up Dubois' goal. Ehlers, Morrissey, and Hellebuyck were in mid-season form, too.

Needed that win last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 24, 2021, 03:37:00 AM
Well the Jets win another. Looks like PS25 scored a couple of times. PL80 and KC81 both scoring again and playing well. Nice to see PL80 get his game back this year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 24, 2021, 12:28:36 PM
Didn?t watch the game at all but nice to see Dubois and Connor keep up their scoring.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 24, 2021, 06:53:34 PM
Got a free-bee so was cheering long & loud ........ especially when the Jets scored or HellB made a great save, which there certainly were a few.

Pound for pound Pionk battles hard, Conman is sooooo quick, Svech & Dub80 look compatible with Conman
 Ehlers is a bit lost out there with Stats & a snake bitten so far ..... hope he gets paired with Sceif55
Like Dillon & Beaulieu but more surprised how slow they can be compared to TC action.
Vesal (sure has abilities), Dub80 & Stastny used their sticks well for deflections,
Schmidt is very skilled & fast but would like to see him move the puck up the ice ...... as his history shows he rarely records Hits

The Preds sure worked the puck & showed, IMO, how weak our boys can be on the boards defensively


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 25, 2021, 02:56:34 AM
Without MS55 and BW26, the Jets have been doing a very nice job. It's nice to see other players stepping up and filling there roles.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2021, 12:42:18 PM
Didn?t watch the game at all but nice to see Dubois and Connor keep up their scoring.

6 and 9 pts. respectively so far. Both are playing very well. Loved seeing Stastny pot a couple the other night, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2021, 05:21:10 PM
With 5G and 3A in his last 3GP, Kyle Connor has been named the NHL First Star of the Week.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 26, 2021, 03:45:00 PM
9 pm start tonight. Let's see if we can win three in a row.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 27, 2021, 03:52:53 AM
Nice road win by the Jets tonight. Two very important face off wins by Copp helped to win this one. Still having clearing problems in our own end.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 27, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
Nice road win by the Jets tonight. Two very important face off wins by Copp helped to win this one. Still having clearing problems in our own end.

What a wild end to the game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2021, 04:02:27 PM
Time Ehlers got off the schnide...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 27, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
Time Ehlers got off the schnide...

Such a disgustingly nice goal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 27, 2021, 04:36:30 PM
Welcome back to 500. Let's call those first 3 games a wash and re-start the season tomorrow night in LA, mkay?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 27, 2021, 04:49:46 PM
Welcome back to 500. Let's call those first 3 games a wash and re-start the season tomorrow night in LA, mkay?

I think Comrie's in net...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 27, 2021, 05:14:17 PM
Just 19 seconds to shock me into the reality of "it's tied, oh my we just took the lead"  ......... GREAT victory  & thanks HellB


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 27, 2021, 05:51:41 PM
Helli, is going to have to have a break sooner or later. So you mite be right.

Interesting that last night we only had one right hand shooting forward in the line up.

We have three in total with MS55 and BW26.

Laine, Apps, and Roslovic, three pretty good right hand shooting forwards no longer with us.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2021, 06:08:11 PM
Helli, is going to have to have a break sooner or later. So you mite be right.

Interesting that last night we only had one right hand shooting forward in the line up.

We have three in total with MS55 and BW26.

Laine, Apps, and Roslovic, three pretty good right hand shooting forwards no longer with us.

Just means we have to turn the cycle counterclockwise on the PP... easy peasy... and will mess up the opponents...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 27, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
No way we win many or any games with Comrie in the net. Our D zone awareness and converge is pathetic. Maurice Coached team strikes again! We get blasted outshot game in game out it seems.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 28, 2021, 02:33:11 AM
9:30 start tomorrow in LA.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 28, 2021, 02:59:28 PM
9:30 start tomorrow in LA.

I hate this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: drahgon on October 28, 2021, 03:02:36 PM
same, perils of playing in the western conference though. The first season in the southeast division was a treat in terms of game times!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 28, 2021, 08:59:47 PM
BW26 has been cleared to ion the Jets. Apparently he is in LA.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 29, 2021, 02:28:55 AM
Nice goal by PL80. LS64 needs to be better on the LA goal.

Jets out played in the second period.

Comrie with a good game.

Jets with a very good 3rd. period.

81/80/71   25/9/27 both of these lines have played very well. Moe would be crazy to break them up right now.

When 55 and 26 get back, who plays the left side with them?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 29, 2021, 03:11:03 PM
This would make sense if the NHL were conducting an audit and Chevy wasn't blamed for misfiled salary structure.

I'm not sure this makes sense when everyone in that room let Aldrich go about his merry way.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 29, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
Jets will be back on the ice on Saturday at 6:00 pm.

Nice to see PL80 get back on track this year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 30, 2021, 12:33:20 AM
Really competitive game and mighty fine victory.
Three cheers for Comrie who was sharp and kept his position with good balance and tracking well

Thinking ahead ?. sure hope PM keeps 80, 81 & 71 together when 26 & 55 get back in


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 30, 2021, 12:44:28 AM
Really competitive game and mighty fine victory.
Three cheers for Comrie who was sharp and kept his position with good balance and tracking well

Thinking ahead ?. sure hope PM keeps 80, 81 & 71 together when 26 & 55 get back in


Put wheeler on the 4th line


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: pjrocksmb on October 30, 2021, 01:50:22 AM
time to end the "True North" chant in the anthem...they waffled on this.
True North chant was a joke from the start.  Was never a fan of chanting for a mega corporation.  Now its a disgrace.  I won't go to a game until he is gone. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 30, 2021, 05:59:21 PM
Like I said earlier, Jets would be crazy to break up71/81/80 or 9/25/27. So maybe 93/17/26 until 55 gets back.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 31, 2021, 12:31:53 AM
Jets not really taking advantage of a depleted Sharks team...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on October 31, 2021, 02:33:40 AM
Well Helli played well. 81/80 still playing well together. I was hoping to see a vast improvement in our D, I know it's early but not seeing it yet.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 31, 2021, 04:48:02 PM
Still winless with BW26 on the ice...

Just saying...

NE27, PLD80 and KC81 has to stay together as a line... they are legit #1.  End of discussion...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 01, 2021, 02:16:15 PM
Still winless with BW26 on the ice...

Just saying...

NE27, PLD80 and KC81 has to stay together as a line... they are legit #1.  End of discussion...

Well as long as you have End of, lol.

They mite stay together, and they did look good for the last 10 minutes of the 3rd. But we all know Moe does keep lines together very long.

Probably will see 9/55/26 together. 71 has played better then 93 and 12 to this point, so if he's not with 80/81. I guess he will be back on the third line with 17 and 25.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
In other Jets news, this time of the factual variety, Scheifele skated with the team at practice yesterday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 02, 2021, 04:49:39 PM
Sounds like Hellebuyck might be on Emergency paternity leave...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 03, 2021, 12:04:19 AM
Liked the lines in the first. 81/80/71, 25/9/27, 17/55/26.

Comrie had a pretty good 1st. period.

We really out played Dallas tonight.

Nice to get the 2 points, great OT.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on November 03, 2021, 02:24:27 AM
Pleasantly surprised by Comrie this season - 2 wins, 2.40 GAA, .915 save %.
Connor, Dubois and Copp are off to good starts.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Should have been a clean win but I'll take the two points.

Dubois is exactly who we wanted and expected last year. Can't wait to sign him to a long term deal.

Connor is one of the best skaters I've ever seen.

Comrie is doing all we can ask from him and is providing great value-for-dollar. We only play him when we absolutely need to and so we can expect to win on nights where he plays. Happy for him since he's been in our system since he was a teenager and we all thought he was done, so good for him.

I expect Dallas to go into full rebuild mode after this year. Benn and Seguin aren't scaring anyone anymore, and Holtby is a shadow of his formal self, which are good traits for a division rival.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 03, 2021, 12:25:11 PM
Nice to see the Dubois and Morrissey critics have crawled back into their holes.

Comrie looks fantastic with the big boys so far. He seems comfortable and confident between the pipes, which bodes well looking ahead.

Dicey third period and it sucks to give a division rival a loser point but I'll take the SO win. Connor and Scheifele both potted beautiful goals.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 03, 2021, 08:47:25 PM
Agree that it was unfortunate to let Dallas absorb a point but soooooo very happy with the performance & win.
 Basic 3 lines certainly had some great moments on the ice, however will take a guess that PM will have them different to start with on Friday
Still not sure why PM & his asst. coaches go with 7 Dmen & the 11 forward look ....... but not complaining

 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 03, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Agree that it was unfortunate to let Dallas absorb a point but soooooo very happy with the performance & win.
 Basic 3 lines certainly had some great moments on the ice, however will take a guess that PM will have them different to start with on Friday
Still not sure why PM & his asst. coaches go with 7 Dmen & the 11 forward look ....... but not complaining

 

I liked AL17 with 55/26. Added some grit to that line, and some protection for MS55. Sometimes SM55 gets manhandled a little to much for my liking.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 05, 2021, 06:19:03 PM
1-8 Black Hawks, I hope the Jets don't take this team lightly.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 06, 2021, 06:20:10 AM
Solid game by the Jets tonight.

Another good game for Comrie.

I really like the Jets lines right now. Good balance, all three lines playing well.

DT21 with his first of the season and it was a beauty. Also like that DT21 working well on the PK.

AC9 with 3A.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on November 06, 2021, 07:38:21 PM
It looks as if the Black Hawks fired their coach after the Jets beat them last night.

https://www.nhl.com/news/chicago-blackhawks-fire-coach-jeremy-colliton/c-327654098


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 07, 2021, 05:54:27 PM
Only saw the highlights of this game, MS55 and PS25 injured. Not good.

Looked like Comrie was pretty solid again.

Back to backs are tough.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 09, 2021, 04:00:28 AM
Helli back practicing today. MS55, PS25, NE27, all not practicing.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 10, 2021, 07:03:36 AM
Tough, tough loss to a ?hot? goalie who had the Jets singing the Blues tonight
Sooo many decent chances to be up by 2 or 3 goals not barely surviving the OT
Nice return game by HellB, who for me was our Star



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 10, 2021, 03:34:22 PM
Helli let in a couple of weak goals, but then came up big in OT.

Jets played a very good game, just could get going in the OT.

I also thought Harkins had a nice game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 10, 2021, 03:49:39 PM
Tough loss in a game we should have won. STL got great goaltending last night and saved their butts, although so did we.

Hard to come out of that with only 1 point against a division rival  :-\, but I'm glad we played so well against the best team in our division. Bodes well for us and I expect us to be running with the big dogs in the standings all year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 11, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
I hope we can get a little more scoring tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 11, 2021, 08:40:45 PM
certainly do believe the Jets hustle & skill will continue to cause many Grade A chances ....... so it's still the finish that has to be there

If the game is not unfolding with Scheif & Wheels strong with Lowry that I will bet Ehlers will be with them 1/2 way thru the game.
With Stastny out then Lowry with Copp, still at centre, & Harkins will result  ....... personally that should be a strong trio

I'm guessing 6-3 Jets


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
Nice win by the Jets. Solid effort by everyone.

The Bad: Getting home after the game. Put on your snow and ice tires people or stay at home. wow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 12, 2021, 05:23:59 PM
Really a dandy showing & certainly happy for Harkins


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 12, 2021, 05:30:22 PM
Dubois and Connor are building some really good chemistry. Nice win last night!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2021, 07:22:22 PM
Now if we could get MS55 and BW26 scoring.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 14, 2021, 03:48:30 AM
Very good game by Helli.

Not our best game, but I will take the OT win.

Lines all over the map. Not a fan of that.

Nice to see Ms55 finally score.

DD2 first goal in 4 seasons???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 14, 2021, 05:42:04 PM
Very good game by Helli.

Not our best game, but I will take the OT win.

Lines all over the map. Not a fan of that.

Nice to see Ms55 finally score.

DD2 first goal in 4 seasons???

This surprised me too. Can't believe he hasn't snuck one in before.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 14, 2021, 09:08:28 PM
Kings were oh so tough to beat ....... OT win was a nice reward for the effort by HellB


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2021, 01:24:23 PM
Bit of a snoozer on Saturday, especially the middle frame and most of the third but it was good to be back at the phone booth and see those HC jerseys in person again.

DeMelo getting his first as a Jet (and first in 132 games, IIRC) in such entertaining fashion was great, as well as seeing Scheifele pot his first of the season and the OT winner. That was a beauty feed from Ehlers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 16, 2021, 12:49:09 AM
Bit of a snoozer on Saturday, especially the middle frame and most of the third but it was good to be back at the phone booth and see those HC jerseys in person again.

DeMelo getting his first as a Jet (and first in 132 games, IIRC) in such entertaining fashion was great, as well as seeing Scheifele pot his first of the season and the OT winner. That was a beauty feed from Ehlers.

Have to come up with a new nickname other than the phone booth... apparently the naming rights were bought by an insurance company... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 16, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
Have to come up with a new nickname other than the phone booth... apparently the naming rights were bought by an insurance company... 

Nah, phone booth suits it just fine. Its original name when it opened was the MTS Centre and that nickname is good reminder of the history of the venue. Also, I think the nickname also has something to do with the tighter confines of the facility (concourses, etc.) compared to other NHL venues but I can't accurately recall.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 16, 2021, 02:49:26 PM
Have to come up with a new nickname other than the phone booth... apparently the naming rights were bought by an insurance company... 

Nah, phone booth suits it just fine. Its original name when it opened was the MTS Centre and that nickname is good reminder of the history of the venue. Also, I think the nickname also has something to do with the tighter confines of the facility (concourses, etc.) compared to other NHL venues but I can't accurately recall.

I prefer The Hangar. References the team's name (which is cool) instead of the transient corporate sponsorships (which are not cool). I kinda liked "phonebooth" when it was MTS Centre and understand the nostalgic factor, though.

For IGF I think a cool nickname would be The Bomb Shelter.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 16, 2021, 05:41:34 PM
Phone Booth is an appropriate descriptor for the facility, granted, and the main reason I will never darken their halls again. 

Hangar makes more sense... not sure if there is a reference applicable to a life insurance company.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 16, 2021, 07:31:55 PM
Big game for the Jets tonight. Oilers probably still thinking about the sweep.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on November 17, 2021, 03:16:23 AM
Pretty good win and team effort.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 17, 2021, 03:40:32 AM
Completely shutdown the Oilers, until the 5 on 3.

Another complete game the whole team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 17, 2021, 01:17:21 PM
Completely shutdown the Oilers, until the 5 on 3.

Another complete game the whole team.

A 5-on-3 that only happened because of Divesaitl. That was a garbage penalty and should've been offset by embellishment.

Better team won last night in pretty convincing fashion. Rematch tomorrow should be a gooder.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 17, 2021, 06:31:32 PM
We are really humming now. Most enjoyable game of the season by far IMO.

Rematch tomorrow should be EPIC. Winning again, two days later, on the road, would be an absolute statement. And hey, go ahead and pick up two against the Canucks the next night on Friday in a b2b, too, while you're at it. That would really fill my cup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 17, 2021, 09:25:41 PM
McDavid also should have got at least 4 minutes for the hit on NP4.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 18, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
McDavid not happy that he is not drawing enough penalties?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 19, 2021, 03:53:22 AM
Well our PP let us down tonight. Lot's of chances but we have to start putting some of those in the net.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 19, 2021, 01:42:16 PM
If this Skinner fella didn't come out of nowhere and play out of his mind, it would have been 2 points easily.

Great game from all phases of the Jets, especially Helle. I just love how hard we play the Oilers. I wasn't old enough to appreciate it at the time but I imagine this reminds older fans of the 80s rivalry the old Jets had with Edmonton. It would be spectacular if we both made it out of our divisions and played each other in a conference final.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 19, 2021, 04:01:19 PM
I disagree, the PP moved the puck well last night, but 4 on 3 for 3:30 in the OT, have to score. The PP has to find a way to score some goals.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 19, 2021, 11:52:36 PM
They moved the puck like magic but whiffed on spectacular chances multiple times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 20, 2021, 03:38:59 AM
Not playing very well tonight. Back to backs are tough.

Gave it all they had in the 3rd. just not enough.

Dobby with another goal. Got his game back this year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 20, 2021, 04:19:50 PM
Team just lacked finish last night...

Ehlers was spectacular when he wasn't invisible, but that's his game.

We seem to keep coming up against young goalers having the game of their lives.

Not sure having CH37 in net would have helped, but it might have...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 20, 2021, 05:55:09 PM
These back to backs are crazy. Now we don't play till Tuesday?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 20, 2021, 07:32:48 PM
These back to backs are crazy. Now we don't play till Tuesday?

Monday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 20, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
You are correct, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, next week.

Home Monday, in Columbus on Wednesday. No PL29, and Jack is not playing well right now for the Blue Jackets.

Looking for Dobby to have a big game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 20, 2021, 09:49:00 PM
You are correct, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, next week.

Home Monday, in Columbus on Wednesday. No PL29, and Jack is not playing well right now for the Blue Jackets.

Looking for Dobby to have a big game.

I want that so bad for him. Don't 100% know why he wanted out, but I'm sure it'd be nice to stick it to them.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 22, 2021, 10:34:11 AM
Hoping the Jets have a nice bounce back game. Penguins have been playing well lately.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 22, 2021, 07:20:43 PM
PS25 should be back tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 23, 2021, 01:31:08 AM
Don't know if I can us to Leah Hextall calling Jets games.

Well the PP still a problem for us.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 23, 2021, 03:06:46 AM
Jets looked completely uninterested in playing tonight. Far cry from the energy and magic in our Edmonton home-and-home.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 23, 2021, 03:15:45 AM
Yes, looked like the Moose out there tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2021, 01:10:31 PM
Lacklustre effort from the highlights I watched. Glad I missed that snoozefest but it's troubling to see the boys only get a loser point in their last three games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 23, 2021, 02:47:50 PM
Lacklustre effort from the highlights I watched. Glad I missed that snoozefest but it's troubling to see the boys only get a loser point in their last three games.

Yeah, I'm mad about that loser point game because we could have won outright given our play but got derailed by a stellar backup goalie performance, and I'm even more mad at the two game following because we got what we deserved which was to not get a point in either!  >:(


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 23, 2021, 04:54:07 PM
I like the idea of Hextall calling games, but I think she might need some time in the minors working on her delivery... she has a lot of terminology to work on, but she does bring some of the player aspect into the calls, you can see that.  Long term, she might work out, but right now, she's not ready for the big leagues. 

That said, I was happy I PVR'd the game and fast forwarded through most of it... not a great game for her to showcase her talents.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 24, 2021, 03:57:09 PM
Need a big bounce back game tonight against the Blue Jackets.

6 pm start tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 25, 2021, 01:40:28 AM
Well I am glad there was curling on tonight.

PP is really in a bad funk.

BW26 and MS55 are really struggling.

Also a little disappointed that someone didn't tune up Domi.

 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 25, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Crap game. We are on a losing streak now. Need to dominate the Wild for a clean 2 points in their barn tomorrow afternoon to keep spirits up. We have come a long way in the wrong direction since our super exciting home-and-home with Edmonton last week.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 25, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
1 out of last 21 on the PP before I finally turned the game off.

That's the difference between wins and losses most days.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 25, 2021, 08:52:02 PM
I think we mite be 1 for 24 now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 26, 2021, 04:02:15 AM
I am hoping PS25 will be back for today's game. Not sure what Moe is thinking with Nash and or Harkins on the PP. I would rather have AL17 out there parked in front of the the net.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 26, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
I am hoping PS25 will be back for today's game. Not sure what Moe is thinking with Nash and or Harkins on the PP. I would rather have AL17 out there parked in front of the the net.

I feel like PM already ruled him out but am not 100% on that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 26, 2021, 07:16:39 PM
I feel like PM already ruled him out but am not 100% on that.

Nevermind. Looks like we?re gonna see Stas return.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2021, 08:00:07 PM
Two fluky goals and they're already down 2-0. Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 26, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
Two fluky goals and they're already down 2-0. Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat.

Ah, to still be in a world in which we?re only down by 2.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 26, 2021, 10:02:32 PM
Well that was sad. To much turkey yesterday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 27, 2021, 06:10:43 AM
This is easily a big surprise ??. they are competing hard most shifts but where are their Hockey Gods
Really, really dislike that PM is seeing something in this 7 Dmen being dressed thing
Nash & Vesa must be numb when they hear Beaulieus (however it?s spelled) name called out

The red hot Flames on Saturday night  ?? yikes


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 28, 2021, 03:42:32 AM
Playing pretty good tonight. PP still letting us down. 81/55/26 back together.

Helli was amazing tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 28, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
Hellebuyck stole the show last night. Good to see the Jets break that ugly losing streak.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 28, 2021, 07:36:07 PM
Moe mite have to go back to 81/55/26  27/80/25  9/17/71.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 29, 2021, 06:45:14 PM
Moe mite have to go back to 81/55/26  27/80/25  9/17/71.

This is sort of the natural order of things. I always view Maurice's line blenders as ways to shake their focus back and once they're ready he tends to put them back with their 'natural linemates'. How often do we see line juggling that results in a permanent shift? Hardly ever.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 29, 2021, 08:48:52 PM
Like to see the PP going tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 01:33:45 AM
Just turned on the Jets game - aren't the Coyotes terrible??  How do we have 40ish shots on net to 13 and be down ??

Just fire Pomo and Chevy and start over. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 01:49:04 AM
Blake Wheeler finally does something to help the team and draws a penalty. 

Way to go captain!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 01:50:44 AM
Jets need to score on this 4:00 PP


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 02:00:35 AM
Jets deserve Bronx cheer at the end of this one...



Keep making excuses...this team stinks


The crowd is dead - atmosphere is terrible and Chevy and Pomo keep their jobs


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 30, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
We can Armchair Coach all we want ....... they deserved a better fate tonight & in so many of their recent losses, cept the Wild game of course


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 30, 2021, 03:29:50 AM
We can Armchair Coach all we want ....... they deserved a better fate tonight & in so many of their recent losses, cept the Wild game of course

The line of 81/55/26, very good tonight. The scoring is going to come.

I thought NE27 didn't have his best game tonight.

What's PL80 doing back near the blue line on the PP. That big body needs to be in front of the net.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 30, 2021, 03:33:27 AM
SOG don't tell much of a story, IMO. How many of those were perimeter shots?

The powerplay was atrocious. Puck possession was sketchy. Passing was off most of the night.

Losing to a team in win never mode is a bad look, especially after capping off that ugly road trip with a win and then returning home to take a dump on the ice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 30, 2021, 03:51:38 AM
Fore coach. His message falling on deaf ears or other. This is brutal hockey.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 30, 2021, 01:29:12 PM
Blake Wheeler trying to find a silver lining during this slide, saying this adversity will benefit them in the playoffs. Gotta actually make the playoffs first, captain.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 30, 2021, 02:18:24 PM
Burn the tape.

I feel so bad for people who dished out money to see that. On a Monday night, no less.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 30, 2021, 04:57:25 PM
Pretty much the same top 9 as last year, minus Apples. Puck just not going into the net.

Lot's of shots last night. The one shift by 81/55/26 was great to watch. 5 on 5 and it looked like a PP.

55/26 look like there both skating much better. A little more jump with 81 on there line.

I think we need 27/80/25 together. put 9 back with 17/71.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 05:05:09 PM
Pretty much the same top 9 as last year, minus Apples. Puck just not going into the net.

Lot's of shots last night. The one shift by 81/55/26 was great to watch. 5 on 5 and it looked like a PP.

55/26 look like there both skating much better. A little more jump with 81 on there line.

I think we need 27/80/25 together. put 9 back with 17/71.

excuses...the same reason POMO got canned in Columbus is the same reason he should be fired here.  He has taken the team as far as it can go...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on November 30, 2021, 07:16:28 PM
It's always the coach. I have never seen a coach score a goal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 30, 2021, 08:41:37 PM
excuses...the same reason POMO got canned in Columbus is the same reason he should be fired here.  He has taken the team as far as it can go...

Maurice never coached in Columbus. I assume you mean Carolina...?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 08:48:59 PM
Maurice never coached in Columbus. I assume you mean Carolina...?

correct...I have an issue mixing those 2 up all the time.

Thanks


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 03, 2021, 07:43:08 PM
Really hoping the Jet's PP can get on track tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 03, 2021, 07:48:17 PM
Really hoping the Jet's PP can get on track tonight.

Even just better 5v5 play would be a nice place to start and then build off that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 03, 2021, 09:43:16 PM
Gotta start by winning face offs then pressing in their end.
Both teams have horrible PP's so far but Hughes is back in lineup for the Devils now which helps make Hamilton extra dangerous.
Meanwhile our PP is in need of the usual suspects, as in Scheif, Speedy E. & Wheels, to make the opportunities & then finish

Would be great to see some long awaited offensive production from Lowry, a miserable 2 goals & 2 assists, & any of the 4th line fellas.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 04, 2021, 03:33:40 AM
Lot's of goals tonight. MS55 looked very fast tonight. Also a pretty nice game by all three lines.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 04, 2021, 07:15:54 PM
Nothing like sitting back and watch a real nice, early lead fold up ..... then get thoroughly excited with some terrific skill in a big Victory


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 05, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
BW26 1000 game tonight. Also a big test with the Leaf's in town.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 06, 2021, 04:16:26 AM
Jets played a very good game tonight. Leaf's real made themselves look cheap tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 06, 2021, 01:03:15 PM
Jets played a very good game tonight. Leaf's real made themselves look cheap tonight.

Great game last night. Jets played the way they know they can for what seems like the first time in ages.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 06, 2021, 04:05:18 PM
9 goals in seven games... fire everyone.

14 goals in 2 games... give them extensions. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 06, 2021, 04:18:56 PM
9 goals in seven games... fire everyone.

14 goals in 2 games... give them extensions. 

I prefer the "let's see how the season goes" and then decide what's next. The knee-jerk emotional stuff gets old fast, for better or worse.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 06, 2021, 05:11:21 PM
The lines look very good right now. 4th line is playing much better. 81/55/26 have be lights out. PL80 is play some very good tough hockey right now, and scoring to boot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on December 06, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
If Scheifele is back to his former self, we should be ok moving forward.

He should be out best centre but has been entirely absent before these last couple of games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 06, 2021, 05:42:39 PM
If Scheifele is back to his former self, we should be ok moving forward.

He should be out best centre but has been entirely absent before these last couple of games.

I think he is finally feeling healthy again after his Covid.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 06, 2021, 09:25:08 PM
NP4 out for 2 games, for the knee on knee hit.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 07, 2021, 03:14:33 AM
Big game tomorrow night against a very tough team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 07, 2021, 03:48:20 AM
Jets put Nash on waivers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 07, 2021, 05:30:36 PM
Personally feel Nash was a bad signing and Chevy had numbers of others available. However,  did wonder
if it was many other inexpensive vets just didn?t want to come to our Winterland

Pionk out hurts & Beaulieu is a wild card, IMO, on the ice
We may get a break if A. Svechnikov, 9 gls & 12 assts, brother of Jets, E. Svechnikov,  cannot dress for the Canes ??. Oooops he is playing


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 07, 2021, 05:33:10 PM
When signing min wage roster fillers, you take chances and hope guys step up.  Nash didn't pan out the way hoped, but no biggie. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 07, 2021, 08:32:03 PM
NP4 $58,750 lighter. Still waiting on the Spezza suspension.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 03:49:17 AM
Well we meet a very good, quick team tonight. Cannes are very quick. Not a lot of size, but lots of talent.

Cole probably gone for two games.

That 5 minute PP was terrible.

D not clearing the front of the net tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 04:14:58 AM
Spezza gets 6 games.

NP4 has a concussion, not travelling with the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 08, 2021, 01:11:41 PM
Probably the best gap control team in the NHL and that showed based on SOG and chances for the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 08, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Time to fire Maurice again...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 06:31:58 PM
Time to fire Maurice again...

 No one calling for that yet.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Cole only gets a $5,000 fine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 09, 2021, 05:02:56 AM
No one calling for that yet.

I am...  ;)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 09, 2021, 08:34:44 PM
Jets and Kraken tonight 9 pm. Looking for a nice bounce back game. Please anybody but Leah Hextall. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 10, 2021, 03:04:38 PM
Connor?s was the Sniper, Toninato finished on the perfect pass & HellB was awesome

Kraken try but certainly not going into playoffs.  Canucks will be very tough opponent tonight


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 10, 2021, 03:46:44 PM
Impressive road win last night in Seattle.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 10, 2021, 04:10:20 PM
Yes, the Kraken a solid team, with some pretty good goal tending. Nothing flashing, hard working group.

I am happy with that win.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 11, 2021, 03:15:54 PM
Looks bad for Wheeler ?.. in using the images of his knee being twisted & his struggle getting off

Jets had some great opportunities to win &  Comrie gave us a terrific effort

Hope Heinola gets in the lineup Tuesday instead of Beaulieu


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 11, 2021, 03:17:55 PM
Sucks the Copp goal didn?t count and that we didn?t pick up 2 points. I hate shootouts.

That said, 3/4 points b2b on the road is a success. Keep it going at home now this week.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 11, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
A week ago, I would have been OK with Wheeler out of the lineup, but he has surprised me with his production of late, and the Conschwhee line has been the driving force of late.

Ehlers seems to be squeezing the stick, trying too hard to be the star he is seen as...

CH37 wins us that game last night.. scheduling back to backs in 2 hour different time zones sucks...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 11, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
CH37 wins us that game last night.. scheduling back to backs in 2 hour different time zones sucks...

Seattle and Vancouver are in the same time zone.

Comrie wasn't great but the Jets gave up some ugly chances last night, which isn't on him. That Garland goal was a brutal brain fart by the defense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 11, 2021, 07:34:57 PM
We played good enough in regulation to win that game. We dominated the OT. We are crap in shot outs.

Still not clearing the front of the net well enough.

3 out of 4 points on this little road trip, not bad.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 11, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Pionk & now Wheeler ......... fingers crossed that both men can not suffer long with minimal long term affect

If long term ........ NOPE, I'm going to pause & breathe instead of start speculating on how Chevy might need to find a stud to fill in

Meanwhile does Stastny, Svechnikov or Copp go up to play with 55 & 81 ?? for Tues. vs the Sabres


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 13, 2021, 09:17:38 PM
just read on Jets site that Pionk is good to go for Tuesday but PM said Wheeler will be out "weeks".

Moose had a Covid outbreak (no info) so a call up is not possible for Tues., so Beaulieu will be the 12th forward


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 09:42:44 PM
Cole Perfetti made Team Canada. Time for Cole to shine. He should be one of our leaders.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 15, 2021, 03:29:24 AM
Jets: Ugly. PP sucks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: In Motion on December 15, 2021, 06:09:14 AM
I feel something is off with the Jets. I can't place my finger on it, but I'm starting to wonder
if they might not even make the playoffs despite all their talent. Hope I'm wrong!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 15, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
Control the gap and you beat the Jets.

This team stinks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on December 15, 2021, 01:37:19 PM
I feel something is off with the Jets. I can't place my finger on it, but I'm starting to wonder
if they might not even make the playoffs despite all their talent. Hope I'm wrong!

I will give you a hint - it's the coach


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 15, 2021, 07:52:28 PM
Jets practice today.  Skate, skate, and more skating.

Lines: 81/80/71.  27/55/25.   9/17/21


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 16, 2021, 07:32:28 PM
Spent a lot of money on our D this year. Not seeing much improvement.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 16, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
Gustafson called up from the Moose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 17, 2021, 01:08:55 AM
apparently the Dmen point production is up quite a bit
PK is terrible yet we always hear raves on Lowry & Copp's play ...... are the others even more terrible killing penalties

typical ....... bottom 6 forwards do minimal in offensive numbers ..... Stastny has 12 pts, Svechnikov has 8 & Lowry is next with a pathetic 5.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on December 17, 2021, 02:55:13 PM
What in the heck?

Paul Maurice quit?!?!?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 17, 2021, 03:00:39 PM
He probably had enough of the crappy play of his players.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on December 17, 2021, 03:44:18 PM
I will give you a hint - it's the coach

I guess POMO agreed with me...classy move to realize it and do the right thing.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 17, 2021, 03:50:46 PM
What in the heck?

Paul Maurice quit?!?!?
yes and thank god! With this line we should be between. It is friggin amazing Huddy has been here for 11 years and sucks!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 17, 2021, 06:00:19 PM
I guess POMO agreed with me...classy move to realize it and do the right thing.

Or he realized whatever he's selling the players aren't buying anymore and did what TNSE should've had the yams to do. Good on him to just own his side and resign but it's not just the head coach that's ailing this busted team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on December 17, 2021, 06:14:22 PM
Or he realized whatever he's selling the players aren't buying anymore and did what TNSE should've had the yams to do. Good on him to just own his side and resign but it's not just the head coach that's ailing this busted team.

agree...Chevy should be next.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 17, 2021, 06:21:50 PM
What a classy gentleman.   PM did a heck of a good job & then took the high road in stepping away. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 17, 2021, 06:49:15 PM
I don't think he will be unemployed long. A lot of players on this team are underachieving this year.

PP sucks, PK suck, our D zone play sucks. 4th. line terrible. Thank god KC81, PL80, and Helli have been rock solid.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 17, 2021, 07:22:03 PM
agree...Chevy should be next.

You're really on the fire/trade everyone team, eh


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on December 17, 2021, 07:36:42 PM
You're really on the fire/trade everyone team, eh


hahahahaha

Classic

Yes....yes I am - take a tiny bit of info and scorched earth it...that is the extent of my fandom.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 17, 2021, 10:20:18 PM
You're really on the fire/trade everyone team, eh

He's next if this team continues to stink out the place. Or he should be.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 17, 2021, 11:44:33 PM
He's next if this team continues to stink out the place. Or he should be.

Chevy got us the horses. All we talked about for years was his incredible draft and develop strategy and getting the best players locked up long term for great contracts. We had some weaknesses on D and addressed them this summer and that?s all we talked about. It?s up to the coaches and players to get the job done on the ice now. Not sure what else a GM could possibly do.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 18, 2021, 03:44:17 AM
I am not sure I am pulling my goalie with 2:45 left in the game, down by one.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 18, 2021, 02:06:46 PM
I am not sure I am pulling my goalie with 2:45 left in the game, down by one.

Agree, dumb.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: dd on December 19, 2021, 01:04:08 AM
Well the fans who were giving Maurice the Bronx cheer got their wish, he resigned. If you think the teams poor performance is his fault you?re delusional. Gone is our big, strong talented D in trouba , Myers, charot and buff and we ve replaced them with what?garbage backend that always coughs up the puck. Trade away a pure goal scorer for an average centremen and you see this tam has clearly regressed in the last 3 years.

I wish PM well, he was always a class act and knows his stuff. Lowry ain?t head coach material and neither is cruddy, this team was going to have a tough time making the playoffs, it now will fade to black, Chevy gets canned and we start over. Brutal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 19, 2021, 04:37:04 PM
Manitoba Moose are shut down till after Christmas. The Jets and Predators are postponed on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: DCM on December 19, 2021, 05:51:49 PM
https://twitter.com/WpgJetsPR/status/1472619315212034050

TRANSACTIONS: The #NHLJets have placed F - Blake Wheeler on Long-Term Injured Reserve and have recalled F - Kristian Reichel and F - C.J. Suess from the Manitoba Moose (AHL).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 19, 2021, 10:51:00 PM
Jets played a solid game. The line of 27/55/25 had an excellent game. Helli was rock solid. I thought our D played better in our own end of the ice.

PK has been much better the last 5 games.  PP scored today, but need to be better. Like having 9/17/21.

The NB28 fight today was why we need to have this guy around. That fight is what this team needs once in awhile.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 21, 2021, 03:25:04 AM
Jets certainly have had some wonderful chances without finishes in past several games --- definitely pleased one line finished

Great smiles on the teams faces can sure make the break more bearable

Season's Best Wishes & hope Santa is good to all 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 21, 2021, 03:47:56 PM
Chevy got us the horses. All we talked about for years was his incredible draft and develop strategy and getting the best players locked up long term for great contracts. We had some weaknesses on D and addressed them this summer and that?s all we talked about. It?s up to the coaches and players to get the job done on the ice now. Not sure what else a GM could possibly do.

While I agree with you, it doesn't change the fact he's likely next on the chopping block should this team falter and miss the post-season. It's just the nature of the business.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 22, 2021, 10:37:44 PM
Season ticket holders will get first crack at tickets for the next 4 games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 24, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Copp and Ves93 in covid protocol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 24, 2021, 07:27:20 PM
Season ticket holders will get first crack at tickets for the next 4 games.


Lol... not so much.  Looks like a LOT of STH's are po'd...

It is almost like True North doesn't want STH's at any games, they'd rather casual Jets fans get COVID rather than STH's... and they know they are going to have to refund them all, and it takes a lot longer to give money back to non STH's... might even have some non STH's that don't get their money back...

Whatever, not like I'm a potential customer for these tickets... even without the games being superspreader events.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 24, 2021, 08:02:28 PM

Lol... not so much.  Looks like a LOT of STH's are po'd...

It is almost like True North doesn't want STH's at any games, they'd rather casual Jets fans get COVID rather than STH's... and they know they are going to have to refund them all, and it takes a lot longer to give money back to non STH's... might even have some non STH's that don't get their money back...

Whatever, not like I'm a potential customer for these tickets... even without the games being superspreader events.

Or it's almost like TNSE has to share the games equally among STHs based on the new 50% capacity limit.

The four currently affected games were split, along with STHs, into two groups. Group A gets two games, Group B gets two games. Of course this won't make everyone happy but it is what it is in light of what's going in with the rise in cases. For each group, refunds will be issued for the games missed.

But I fully expect NHL games to go crowdless yet again across the country in very short order.

Not sure where you get your info but there's no way TNSE will just pocket money spent on tickets and not issue refunds. I doubt there's any basis in reality in what you've said, based on your history opining about the Jets and TNSE.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 24, 2021, 10:04:09 PM
Or it's almost like TNSE has to share the games equally among STHs based on the new 50% capacity limit.

The four currently affected games were split, along with STHs, into two groups. Group A gets two games, Group B gets two games. Of course this won't make everyone happy but it is what it is in light of what's going in with the rise in cases. For each group, refunds will be issued for the games missed.

But I fully expect NHL games to go crowdless yet again across the country in very short order.

Not sure where you get your info but there's no way TNSE will just pocket money spent on tickets and not issue refunds. I doubt there's any basis in reality in what you've said, based on your history opining about the Jets and TNSE.

I was being ironical... of course the Jets will redeem every unused ticket...

As to STH's getting seats... looks like they were selling an awful lot of tickets that STH's should have been given... there should have been zero tickets offered for sale before every STH had had a chance to claim their 4 games...   but I'm guessing a large number of STH's didn't even want their 2 games...  because, COVID.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 25, 2021, 03:35:37 AM
I was being ironical... of course the Jets will redeem every unused ticket...

As to STH's getting seats... looks like they were selling an awful lot of tickets that STH's should have been given... there should have been zero tickets offered for sale before every STH had had a chance to claim their 4 games...   but I'm guessing a large number of STH's didn't even want their 2 games...  because, COVID.

True, we were offered our 2 game pack, and decided to pass. They then went on sale to the general public. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on December 28, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Nice story: PS25 has NE27 over for Christmas as NE27 couldn't travel home. The Stastny family reaches out to Ehlers mom to see what the Ehlers family Christmas traditions were. Good on PS25 and family.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 02, 2022, 08:43:46 PM
Jet's out shot 22-10 in the 1st.

Gus injured again. 2:19 last game, 2:37 this game.

Harkins with a nice goal.

Reichel ties it up.

Jet's skating much better in the 2nd.

Nice OT win.




Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 05, 2022, 03:38:43 AM
Another 2 points. I like really like PL80 game right now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on January 05, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
It looks as if coach Lowry has the team playing pretty well.
Thursday's game against the Avs will be  a good test.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2022, 08:55:53 PM
Another 2 points. I like really like PL80 game right now.

PLD80?  Pr PD80?  ;)  Just making sure...

Rumours about Nik Ehlers dealing with something personal, tearing up with the empty netter... any more info?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 05, 2022, 11:09:00 PM
It's PL80 or Dubie to us. But if you like PLD or PD run with it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 05, 2022, 11:30:16 PM
It looks as if coach Lowry has the team playing pretty well.
Thursday's game against the Avs will be  a good test.

I agree, this will give us a good idea where this team is at.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 06, 2022, 08:44:48 PM
Harkins and DeMelo in COVID protocol, Stastny questionable for tonight. Perfetti in.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 06, 2022, 09:16:04 PM
It's to bad we mite be down two D-men for tonight's game. However every team is dealing with this. I also thought Harkins was playing some of his best hockey lately.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 07, 2022, 03:43:58 AM
Well that was pretty sad.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 07, 2022, 03:47:17 AM
Well that was pretty sad.

That was all kinds of ugly from the middle frame until the end of regulation.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 07, 2022, 04:14:24 PM
Well no hockey for a week now. Jet's have a few things to work on. Maybe get PS25 back by then.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 07, 2022, 07:19:09 PM
Didn't like the Jet's letting MacDermid away with all his crap last night. One of our big boys needs to step up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on January 09, 2022, 05:53:50 PM
Colorado played well, but Bucky kind of made them look good on a few of the goals.
Hopefully he bounces back next game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 10, 2022, 05:13:19 PM
Ehlers placed in COVID Protocol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2022, 08:42:08 PM
Beaulieu, Heinola, Stanley, Reichel in COVID Protocol.

Wheeler apparently skated with the team today, so that's good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 11, 2022, 09:25:45 PM
Any word on PS25.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 11, 2022, 10:42:39 PM
Looks like they are putting everyone into protocol while they have time off... good idea, get it out of the way ;)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 12, 2022, 03:34:21 PM
Any word on PS25.

All indications are he's travelling with the team to Detroit for tomorrow's game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 12, 2022, 07:56:32 PM
Caught last night on Global that DeMelo didn?t clear protocol as Harkins did.
Thus the Jets may need 2 new Dmen in lineup vs Detroit. One apparently will be Samberg


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 13, 2022, 05:23:06 PM
Comrie and Dillon in COVID Protocol. Poganski called up from the Moose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 13, 2022, 06:34:30 PM
Why not just call the whole Moose team up to play in Detroit... and sub in some Jets for any Moose in protocol...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 13, 2022, 07:03:57 PM
Every team in the NHL has gone thought this at some point this year. Don't like it, but it's a chance to see our young talent playing at the NHL level.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 13, 2022, 08:44:19 PM
Season's basically a write-off this year anyway. Might as well see how good the young guys are.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on January 14, 2022, 03:32:25 AM
Pretty good game, including the rookie defencemen, and the PK on Detroit's 6 on 3 man advantage at the end of the game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 14, 2022, 03:43:11 AM
Are young players had a solid game. CP91 played well with 80/81. Helli was excellent.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 14, 2022, 01:20:38 PM
Season's basically a write-off this year anyway. Might as well see how good the young guys are.

It's a tall order in this division but the Jets now have quite a few games in hand, which is to their benefit if they win consistently. As of now, they're only 2 points out of a WC spot with 4 games in hand over the Sharks.

Are young players had a solid game. CP91 played well with 80/81. Helli was excellent.

Michigan boys came to play last night!

Samberg had a solid NHL debut. I hope we see more of him with the big club.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 14, 2022, 03:08:04 PM
Sambreg was solid, and Chisholm impressed.  Poganski, meh.

Saw tweets saying Samberg/Chisholm  > Stanley, and I think a:wrong, and b: way too early.  But there is no doubt they should be getting some NHL reps, and Beauleiu shouldn't see the ice again unless covid takes out the rest of the D...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 14, 2022, 04:58:22 PM
Tend to agree with less Beaulieu (but he is reasonable vet) and more Samberg
Really was a great result and a pretty decent team effort with kudos to PK & definitely HellB


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 18, 2022, 04:35:28 PM
Who is in, who is out,  for the Jet's tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 18, 2022, 09:06:10 PM
Poganski, Perfetti & Samberg are suiting up again, with also Stanley, Reichel & Ehlers back in the lineup


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 03:35:32 AM
Nice to see CP91 get his first goal. He's playing well with 80/81.

Two Jet's behind the net in OT, MS55 should have picked up Wilson.

Hope NE27 is okay. How many games will Orlov get.

Not a bad road effort. Terrible OT. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 19, 2022, 01:01:33 PM
OT was a disaster. But take the loser point and move on.

Nice to see Perfetti get his first in the bigs!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 05:46:01 PM
I am not that impressed with NS88 play in the D zone.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
NE27 out for at least 3 games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 19, 2022, 09:41:42 PM
NE27 out for at least 3 games.

Orlov had a hearing with DOPS today. Hopefully, he misses a few, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 10:25:49 PM
Orlov gets 2 games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 20, 2022, 12:43:32 AM
These suspensions on intent to injure penalties should be "2 games" PLUS however long the injured player is out... I know that sounds harsh, but it would end a player doing this crap.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 20, 2022, 08:53:59 PM
Huge test and meaningful divisional game tonight in Trashville.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 03:45:53 AM
Well CP91 has found a spot with PL80 and KC81. The kid hasn't found the finish yet, but he is very good with the puck, and an excellent set up man.

I thought the Jet's played very well in the 2nd, and 3rd period.

PP could have won us that game in the 2nd, period. Great movement, need more finish.

250 fans allowed at the next Jet's home game. I guess that's family and friends.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 21, 2022, 03:27:38 PM
Seem to keep hitting hot goalies, or are our shooters just hitting the goalie? 

Out played them, out shot them, and lost again...

Can we still blame Maurice?

Hurts losing Ehlers...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 21, 2022, 07:06:10 PM
Seem to keep hitting hot goalies, or are our shooters just hitting the goalie? 

Out played them, out shot them, and lost again...

Can we still blame Maurice?

Hurts losing Ehlers...

True but before we were facing no-names who we made look like superstars. This is just was Juuse Saros has been doing all year (unfortunately for us).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 07:06:38 PM
Sound like Wheeler, and Dillon should be back for tomorrows game.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 22, 2022, 05:02:28 PM
Jet's at 2pm today.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 22, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
Well we played well in the first period and the second half of the third.

PP just not getting the job done.

Early game tomorrow 12 noon start.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 23, 2022, 03:23:37 PM
After the first Bruins tended to minimize Jets effort ?.. Pasternak completed the sad show

Does Comrie get in today ??. had coach Lowry committed to him days earlier
Does coach go with HellB cuz he gives Jets best chance ?????


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 23, 2022, 04:55:26 PM
I really like the way Toninato and Poganski are playing. Both guys skate well and finish there checks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 23, 2022, 06:43:38 PM
Playing a very good game so far. Some iffy penalties.

Bad play by Helli.

NE27 out until mid Feb. not good.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 24, 2022, 02:11:20 PM
A few loser points on a mostly unforgettable road trip.

Nice to see Wheeler back it sucks to see Ehlers out.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 25, 2022, 03:36:26 PM
One of the best teams in hockey. Have to play a very good game tonight to get a W.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 03:24:33 AM
Well we hung in there, but with a few key pieces out and another bad clearing by Helli, we just didn't have enough.

Really like PL80/CP91/KC81. CP91 is a playmaker.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on January 26, 2022, 12:30:05 PM
Hellebuck can't stay in his net and he goes down very early. If he wants to play like a defenseman than he should have been one.  Other teams know put the puck behind the net.  The goalie will leave the net


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 03:21:42 PM
Jet's 4th. line really had a rough night, and the 9/55/26 did nothing most of the night.

Anyone what to fire the coach yet. lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 26, 2022, 05:15:27 PM
Well we hung in there, but with a few key pieces out and another bad clearing by Helli, we just didn't have enough.

Really like PL80/CP91/KC81. CP91 is a playmaker.

80/91/81 is going to be a stellar line for many years to come, I hope... perfect balance, 2 natural C's... set up guy, sniper and in the paint scoring dirty guy... Chevy needs to make this a long term situation.  In my books, 80>55, so if 26/55/(9)27 is line 2 going forward, I'm ok with that...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 28, 2022, 05:41:45 AM
When does the "new message" start? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on January 28, 2022, 11:53:55 AM
When does the "new message" start? 

Next season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 28, 2022, 03:37:13 PM
Next season.

So, season ticket refunds an option? 

I get the difficulties facing the team, an the plethora of young guns getting NHL ice time, but the leaders gotta lead.  Wheeler is invisible.  MS55 is invisible.  Helle is far too visible, in the wrong way. 

Ehlers is sorely missed.  Not just for his touch, but for his joy.  This team lost the best player at that when Buff departed, and we need more of that in the locker room.  We have a team of hard working skill players and muckers, but we need some leadership.  The Maurice voice might not have been the problem, it was his top players that were responsible for passing along the message that seem to be the issue. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 28, 2022, 07:16:48 PM
So, season ticket refunds an option? 

I get the difficulties facing the team, an the plethora of young guns getting NHL ice time, but the leaders gotta lead.  Wheeler is invisible.  MS55 is invisible.  Helle is far too visible, in the wrong way. 

Ehlers is sorely missed.  Not just for his touch, but for his joy.  This team lost the best player at that when Buff departed, and we need more of that in the locker room.  We have a team of hard working skill players and muckers, but we need some leadership.  The Maurice voice might not have been the problem, it was his top players that were responsible for passing along the message that seem to be the issue. 

Why would refunds be an option?

This team has dealt with its share of injuries, COVID protocol absences, and a head coach stepping down. Saying the leaders aren't leading in spite of all that doesn't make it accurate just because you think so.

Consistency is key. And the Jets don't have much, if any, in this weird season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 28, 2022, 08:19:14 PM
Why would refunds be an option?

This team has dealt with its share of injuries, COVID protocol absences, and a head coach stepping down. Saying the leaders aren't leading in spite of all that doesn't make it accurate just because you think so.

Consistency is key. And the Jets don't have much, if any, in this weird season.

Keep forgetting to put the /sarcastica font before my sarcastic comments... sorry.  Of course people who paid for seasons tickets in a pandemic are stuck with them, minus games cancelled on account of the pandemic...

Yes, consistency is key.  We have had a lot of talent in reserve because we don't want to run out the clock on their ELC's... and "don't want to rush them", while we ice guys like Beaulieu and Poganski ...  Perfetti and Samberg should never don a Moose jersey again.  Maurice is gone, no need to play the vets and coddle the young'uns anymore...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on January 28, 2022, 09:40:53 PM
True North Tank is on!!

Should have fired Chevy already.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 28, 2022, 10:11:07 PM
Terrible performance last night. It's the Canucks with there 4th. string goalie.

6 straight loses. Worst losing streak this year.

Very hard to watch.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on January 29, 2022, 01:42:23 PM
Not blaming losing to the Canucks because the whole team did not play well. But hellebuyck is 29 th in the league for save percentage. But be did not play that good this game either. He shouldn't be playing as much and the coach should sit him let him play half the games .


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 29, 2022, 04:37:51 PM
2 pm  start today for the Jets. Don't know how much I will watch, as the fishing was excellent this morning. However I guess I could bring the lap top down to the shack. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 29, 2022, 04:39:27 PM
Not blaming losing to the Canucks because the whole team did not play well. But hellebuyck is 29 th in the league for save percentage. But be did not play that good this game either. He shouldn't be playing as much and the coach should sit him let him play half the games .

I agree Helli need a a break. But playing only 1/2 the games. Just not enough for a starting goalie.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 29, 2022, 08:14:14 PM
Not a bad 1st. period.

Young D solid so far.

Nice win for the Jets, they needed that one.

Comrie played well.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on January 29, 2022, 10:39:11 PM
The young defencemen, Heinola, Chisholm, and Kovacevic, played well, the team seemed to be skating, and Comrie had an outstanding game.









Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 01, 2022, 05:55:16 PM
6 pm early start tonight. This a team the Jets should beat.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 01, 2022, 08:43:45 PM
Definitely agree on how well Comrie & the youngsters on defense played  ........ now Morrisey & HellB are back in the lineup tonight
........ we need a solid effort and as the Flyers are reeling down the middle, due to injuries, it's time for the Jets to dominate & go home victorious.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2022, 03:40:37 AM
Well the PK was pretty good tonight.

Flyers first goal, the Flyers should have had a penalty. Hooking, tripping, interference, pick one.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2022, 01:43:03 PM
Crummy end to a pretty meh game. I just don't see this team having the horses to battle for a playoff spot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 02, 2022, 04:31:04 PM
Flyers were short players, and we were still down some key guys... so it should have been a good game, and it was until one errant pass.

Fans in the building were definitely a plus for Philly, you can bet that subconsciously the lack of fans in our barn of late is not helping the psyche of our team.

CH37 trade rumours to Edm aren't helping, neither did the team playing lights out in front of Comrie but not CH37.  If we can swing a trade to get MAF here, I might give up on our consistent Vezina trophy contender tender.  And bring Berndin up to season for next year...  I know this is going to get totally trashed, but something needs to change... Its either moving MS55 / BW26 (or both) or CH37... need to really shake up things.

Or get your new coach behind the bench.  Lowry needs to get a twitter handle like his son...  @ALowsyPlayer17...  maybe @DLowsyCoach22


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2022, 04:44:24 PM
Hellebuyck to the Oilers? LOL


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 02, 2022, 05:48:13 PM
Flyers were short players, and we were still down some key guys... so it should have been a good game, and it was until one errant pass.

Fans in the building were definitely a plus for Philly, you can bet that subconsciously the lack of fans in our barn of late is not helping the psyche of our team.

CH37 trade rumours to Edm aren't helping, neither did the team playing lights out in front of Comrie but not CH37.  If we can swing a trade to get MAF here, I might give up on our consistent Vezina trophy contender tender.  And bring Berndin up to season for next year...  I know this is going to get totally trashed, but something needs to change... Its either moving MS55 / BW26 (or both) or CH37... need to really shake up things.

Or get your new coach behind the bench.  Lowry needs to get a twitter handle like his son...  @ALowsyPlayer17...  maybe @DLowsyCoach22

Reading some dumb oiler fan on twitter wanting Helle is not a trade rumour.

No team trades a vezina winner in their prime.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 02, 2022, 06:26:36 PM
aards needs to also give up on his "trade Scheifele" campaign.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 02, 2022, 07:17:16 PM
Well, whatever they are doing, its not working.  MS55 and BW26 just seem to miss PauMo... maybe a change of scenery is what they need.  Or a change of coach, Lowry doesn't seem to be changing the dynamic all that much... 

And sure, you never trade a Vezina goaler in his prime.  Especially when you don't have a proven backup.  But CH37's play with the puck, fat rebounds and flat out beats have been very un-Vezina like, and unless he gets his Mojo back, he's not going to either help the team win or get Vezina votes (he's already missed that conversation for 21-22)   So, is he in his prime still?  I'd take a MAF right now, I think he'd fit better...

When pundits talk about the team "playing for Comrie", it makes you wonder about the other side... are they not playing for CH37?  And is he feeling "out on an island"?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
aards needs to also give up on his "trade Scheifele" campaign.

Yes, it's getting old.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2022, 08:55:33 PM
This type of comment is so annoyingly detrimental to this thread.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 02, 2022, 11:29:00 PM
I am with Ards this time to trade ol Caribou legs for a Nice kings ransom. The future should start now. We are done!
Fefe has played with no energy grit or heart for almost 2 years. Something has happened to him I do not know what?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 03:39:36 AM
7500 fans for Tuesdays game. Nice to get some energy back into the building.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 02:28:17 PM
I am with Ards this time to trade ol Caribou legs for a Nice kings ransom. The future should start now. We are done!
Fefe has played with no energy grit or heart for almost 2 years. Something has happened to him I do not know what?

"Caribou legs, no energy, no heart..." "Trade him for a nice kings ransom." LOL :D

7500 fans for Tuesdays game. Nice to get some energy back into the building.

Pretty excited about this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The problem with trading Scheifele is what you're going to get in return. If you trade him for win now pieces, then how on earth are you going to get a better centre out of that deal? And if you get a winger or defenceman or something how are you going to fill the hole in the middle of the ice and get some depth there for a playoff run? If you're throwing the the towel and doing a rebuild, then you are going to move out more than Scheifele to restock the cupboards for 2 to 5 years down the road. If you do that, there is absolutely no guarantee you draft better players than Scheifele, Connor, Hellebuyck, etc. This isn't the CFL where you can live off free agency and one year contracts. It's going to be several years and there's no guarantees at the end of it. There are a bunch of teams who have had high draft picks and have been rebuilding like, 5-10 years now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 02:58:23 PM
Which is to say nothing about his ridiculously friendly contract that still has two years to go.

Trading away #55 would be absurd.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 03:23:06 PM
TSN reporting that if the Jets are to be sellers, it will probably be Copp and PS25. PS25 still chasing a cup. Copp negotiation not going well.

MS55 at 6M a year is a an excellent contract for his skill set.

I wonder if BW26 would be open to a trade, and if anyone would want him with cap hit at 8.25M per.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2022, 03:24:24 PM
TSN reporting that if the Jets are to be sellers, it will probably be Copp and PS25. PS25 still chasing a cup. Copp negotiation not going well.

MS55 at 6M a year is a an excellent contract for his skill set.

I wonder if BW26 would be open to a trade, and if anyone would want him with cap hit at 8.25M per.

I would really try to move Wheeler out but we'd have to eat a large chunk of salary. Theoretically possible, but also pretty unlikely I would imagine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 05:06:30 PM
I would really try to move Wheeler out but we'd have to eat a large chunk of salary. Theoretically possible, but also pretty unlikely I would imagine.

Salary retention would probably be required on the Jets' part but I can't say I like that idea. It's a pretty untradeable contract at present.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 05:40:45 PM
Which is to say nothing about his ridiculously friendly contract that still has two years to go.

Trading away #55 would be absurd.

The problem with trading Scheifele is what you're going to get in return. If you trade him for win now pieces, then how on earth are you going to get a better centre out of that deal? And if you get a winger or defenceman or something how are you going to fill the hole in the middle of the ice and get some depth there for a playoff run? If you're throwing the the towel and doing a rebuild, then you are going to move out more than Scheifele to restock the cupboards for 2 to 5 years down the road. If you do that, there is absolutely no guarantee you draft better players than Scheifele, Connor, Hellebuyck, etc. This isn't the CFL where you can live off free agency and one year contracts. It's going to be several years and there's no guarantees at the end of it. There are a bunch of teams who have had high draft picks and have been rebuilding like, 5-10 years now.

Not sure we *need* a "C" back for MS55.  It seems to be a depth position for us now... I'd far prefer to re-sign Copp, which gets a lot easier without MS55... both from a $$ standpoint, and a positional standpoint.  Can Copp be a #2 "C"?  With Ehlers and Wheeler? 

Dubois is our defacto #1 "C" now, from all standpoints.  Duboise, Perfetti, Connor is a #1 line that should stay together for a decade, please.

So, do you have MS55 centering line 2?  Or Copp?

You don't need any players back for MS55... picks/prospects are fine.  Its not like we need to bring in someone to take his spot in the lineup.

If you package his good contract with Wheeler's... does that make the potential for the trade easier?  Does anyone have cap space to be a buyer in that deal?  Do we take back a high$  expiring contract to make the numbers work? 

Moving on from Maurice was to get a new voice... but so long as BW26 and MS55 are still doing the talking... did it  change anything?



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 06:03:44 PM
So first it was Moe, now it's MS55 and BW26, if that doesn't work who would be next on your list.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 07:06:38 PM
So first it was Moe, now it's MS55 and BW26, if that doesn't work who would be next on your list.

Moe left... said the team needed a new voice...

Lowry was part of that voice, although it seems to have a different tone now, but not getting the results.

MS55 and BW26 were a big part of that voice, and supposed to be the leaders.  Unfortunately, BW26's "lead with hustle" doesn't seem to be working, and MS55, when asked if the team has an identity, said "Nope".  He wears an "A" and is supposed to be a main part of that identity...

Whether Moe lost the room (and these players), or its something else, they obviously need some shaking up.  I have no doubt that if MS55 and BW26 get moved, whoever gets them will get some great production out of them.

Here, I think the void their exit would create gets filled instantly and effectively, regardless what pieces come back.

Next to go?  I think everyone knows... Chevy... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
Imagine wanting to keep Copp over Scheifele.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 08:00:01 PM
Imagine wanting to keep Copp over Scheifele.

AC9: (27). 453 games. 73G, 104A   177 points. Pending UFA.  Last year, 55 games, 39 points. 

MS55: (28). 611 games,  211G, 325A   536 points. Control on a very friendly contract till 2024.  Last year 56 games, 63 points.

So last year MS55 was over a point a game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 09:17:59 PM
AC9: (27). 453 games. 73G, 104A   177 points. Pending UFA.  Last year, 55 games, 39 points. 

MS55: (28). 611 games,  211G, 325A   536 points. Control on a very friendly contract till 2024.  Last year 56 games, 63 points.

So last year MS55 was over a point a game.

2021-22

             Games  G  A  PTS   +/-
AC9          42     12  16  28  +2
MS55        38     10  19  29  -12

Just sayin'


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 09:22:00 PM
2021-22

             Games  G  A  PTS   +/-
AC9          42     12  16  28  +2
MS55        38     10  19  29  -12

Just sayin'

What a self-own. LOL :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 09:36:22 PM
What a self-own. LOL :D

He's wrong anyway because MS55 has only played 36 games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 09:44:51 PM
He's wrong anyway because MS55 has only played 36 games.

I stand corrected.. 36 games... I couldn't read my messy writing...  the rest is correct, right?  Especially the +2 and -12 stats?


Moving MS55 means re-signing AC9 gets a LOT easier... I think a NE27, AC9, BW26 is a pretty solid 2nd line... or if you get a RHS RW back in a MS55/BW26 trade...

6 mil/yr for pre 21-22 MS55 is a great deal... but not a huge deal for current MS55... especially with the team identity comment sitting over his head...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 09:48:16 PM
I stand corrected.. 36 games... I couldn't read my messy writing...  the rest is correct, right?  Especially the +2 and -12 stats?


Moving MS55 means re-signing AC9 gets a LOT easier... I think a NE27, AC9, BW26 is a pretty solid 2nd line... or if you get a RHS RW back in a MS55/BW26 trade...

6 mil/yr for pre 21-22 MS55 is a great deal... but not a huge deal for current MS55... especially with the team identity comment sitting over his head...


Little over the top with trading MS55. 6- 20 plus goal seasons, 6- 60 plus point season, and we want to replace him with a guy that has never scored more then 15 goals, and has never had more then a 39 point season.

Trade BW26, and PS25, and getting a few picks I am okay with. MS55 would have to be for a pretty good player.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 02:44:35 AM

Little over the top with trading MS55. 6- 20 plus goal seasons, 6- 60 plus point season, and we want to replace him with a guy that has never scored more then 15 goals, and has never had more then a 39 point season.

Trade BW26, and PS25, and getting a few picks I am okay with. MS55 would have to be for a pretty good player.

I can't see affording or signing AC9 with PD80 and MS55 both on the team ahead of him... and MS55's production has dropped, and he's been soft a while... much prefer a more affordable and reliable ACC9 right now...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 03:29:00 AM
MS55 isn't having a good year, but that can be said about a lot of Jets. Let's remember last year he scored more then a point a game. Once NE27 gets back with 55 and 26 the points will pickup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 02:12:04 PM
Anyone who would compare Scheifele and Copp on equal terms and then attempt to justify how the latter is better based on less than half a season has zero hockey knowledge.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 03:56:51 PM
If you want to make cap space to sign Copp and PL80 there are other way of doing it.

PS25 is at 3.75M, NB28 another 1.25M, trade one of our 5M plus D-men which for me would be NS88 with a cap hit of $5.9M. Good offensively, poor play in the D zone. A few of our young D men are ready to make the jump.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
Anyone who would compare Scheifele and Copp on equal terms and then attempt to justify how the latter is better based on less than half a season has zero hockey knowledge.

If you want to make cap space to sign Copp and PL80 there are other way of doing it.

PS25 is at 3.75M, NB28 another 1.25M, trade one of our 5M plus D-men which for me would be NS88 with a cap hit of $5.9M. Good offensively, poor play in the D zone. A few of our young D men are ready to make the jump.


I guess my "no hockey knowledge" is being missed by you guys...

AC9 is and will be a good #2 C in the NHL, either on our team, or on another, as he is a UFA.

MS55 has been soft for a while, and absolutely stinks right now.  And, from reports, I think that his attitude might be a problem as well.  Maurice was the only NHL HC he ever played for, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but whatever the reason, his "cap friendly" $6 mil contract isn't so friendly at -12 and with PD80 taking the #1 C title through effort and results. 

The dynamic of this team is altered dramatically from a year ago.  91, 81, 80 is our top line.  55, 26, x is a second line.  9 is on it for now, but will leave us in FA if the #2 C spot remains filled. 

Multiple birds, one stone.  Make AC9 our permanent #2 C and pay him with MS55's money for next year.  Get a top notch RW on a large expiring contract and a DP or two back for BW26 and MS55.  Line 2 becomes NewRW, AC9, NE27 .

New leaders, new dynamic, and the team gets an Identity, which, apparently, MS55 thinks they do not have right now, with him being a leader...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 04:48:46 PM
I guess my "no hockey knowledge" is being missed by you guys...

AC9 is and will be a good #2 C in the NHL, either on our team, or on another, as he is a UFA.

MS55 has been soft for a while, and absolutely stinks right now.  And, from reports, I think that his attitude might be a problem as well.  Maurice was the only NHL HC he ever played for, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but whatever the reason, his "cap friendly" $6 mil contract isn't so friendly at -12 and with PD80 taking the #1 C title through effort and results. 

The dynamic of this team is altered dramatically from a year ago.  91, 81, 80 is our top line.  55, 26, x is a second line.  9 is on it for now, but will leave us in FA if the #2 C spot remains filled. 

Multiple birds, one stone.  Make AC9 our permanent #2 C and pay him with MS55's money for next year.  Get a top notch RW on a large expiring contract and a DP or two back for BW26 and MS55.  Line 2 becomes NewRW, AC9, NE27 .

New leaders, new dynamic, and the team gets an Identity, which, apparently, MS55 thinks they do not have right now, with him being a leader...



Okay, LMAO. Glad your not our GM.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 04, 2022, 05:19:40 PM
AC needs to drop down to the third line, AL to the 4th, and we need to actually use all 4 lines.

Same GD issues we saw under Maurice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 06:02:16 PM
I guess my "no hockey knowledge" is being missed by you guys...

AC9 is and will be a good #2 C in the NHL, either on our team, or on another, as he is a UFA.

MS55 has been soft for a while, and absolutely stinks right now.  And, from reports, I think that his attitude might be a problem as well.  Maurice was the only NHL HC he ever played for, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but whatever the reason, his "cap friendly" $6 mil contract isn't so friendly at -12 and with PD80 taking the #1 C title through effort and results. 

The dynamic of this team is altered dramatically from a year ago.  91, 81, 80 is our top line.  55, 26, x is a second line.  9 is on it for now, but will leave us in FA if the #2 C spot remains filled. 

Multiple birds, one stone.  Make AC9 our permanent #2 C and pay him with MS55's money for next year.  Get a top notch RW on a large expiring contract and a DP or two back for BW26 and MS55.  Line 2 becomes NewRW, AC9, NE27 .

New leaders, new dynamic, and the team gets an Identity, which, apparently, MS55 thinks they do not have right now, with him being a leader...

I mean, I said zero hockey knowledge, so at least quote it properly.

And your word salad reinforces exactly that. Saying Scheifele has been "soft for a while" and he "absolutely stinks right now" is hysterical conjecture at best*. Third in team scoring, second in assists, roughly 50% in the dot... Yeah, what a putrid excuse of a hockey player. LOL :D

He also played under Claude Noel, BTW**. So, you trying to blame Maurice in your absurd narrative holds no merit whatsoever.

Imagine using +/- to prop up an already feeble argument that his contract is bad. Like I said: zero hockey knowledge.

Copp's a solid, versatile forward who's having a very strong season in contract year as a pending UFA. But that shouldn't be overstated to rationalize him deserving a permanent 2C role (here or anywhere else) and giving him more than he's worth. There's a reason he's gone to salary arbitration multiple times as a RFA, which should be indication enough he plans to test the market as a UFA in the coming off-season.

Jee-zus, I need an Advil.

* 0.81 PPG flies in the face of your hyperbole
** he suited up for 58 NHL games with Noel behind the bench


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 06:38:14 PM
I mean, I said zero hockey knowledge, so at least quote it properly.

And your word salad reinforces exactly that. Saying Scheifele has been "soft for a while" and he "absolutely stinks right now" is hysterical conjecture at best*. Third in team scoring, second in assists, roughly 50% in the dot... Yeah, what a putrid excuse of a hockey player. LOL :D

He also played under Claude Noel, BTW**. So, you trying to blame Maurice in your absurd narrative holds no merit whatsoever.

Imagine using +/- to prop up an already feeble argument that his contract is bad. Like I said: zero hockey knowledge.

Copp's a solid, versatile forward who's having a very strong season in contract year as a pending UFA. But that shouldn't be overstated to rationalize him deserving a permanent 2C role (here or anywhere else) and giving him more than he's worth. There's a reason he's gone to salary arbitration multiple times as a RFA, which should be indication enough he plans to test the market as a UFA in the coming off-season.

Jee-zus, I need an Advil.

* 0.81 PPG flies in the face of your hyperbole
** he suited up for 58 NHL games with Noel behind the bench

+/- is a stat that some people put too much emphasis on, but also one that people put too little.   By "soft", he is giving up defensive opportunities.  If you score that much AND are -12, that says a lot.  Also, MS55 has twice the PP points... and half the hits. 

I'm saying, that as a #2 C, Copp would fit well.  And come in at less than the cap friendly $6mil MS55 gets.  Leaving some to sign PD80, especially if you can package him with BW26...

AL17 is a good fit at #3C, and we have lots od C on the roster for #4...

Just saying, MS55 has become redundant, and I'd rather keep PD80 and AC9 than MS55...

I've been a Scheifele fan for years, but he has lost me this year.  I've yelled at the screen too many times, and when the statement about team identity surfaced, that was the straw...

You cannot have a leader that does not think your team has an identity. 

Moving on from Maurice hasn't worked, things need to shake up.  Give the team a chance to gel under the new leadership.  Conner, Dubois, Perfetti, Ehlers, Copp, Lowry... these guys are ready to take over.  MS55 and BW26 aren't leading worth a **** right now.  Maybe even a trade rumour might wake them up...  but I think, long term, the team is ready to move on...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 06:52:46 PM
AC needs to drop down to the third line, AL to the 4th, and we need to actually use all 4 lines.

Same GD issues we saw under Maurice.

Agree, or AC9 back with AL17 on the third line where they so well together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 04, 2022, 06:54:41 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?

My head hurts.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 07:05:04 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?

My head hurts.

Tell us about it.

What does everyone figure AC9 is worth for his next contract.  For me it's 4-4.5M max.

What does everyone think PL80 worth. PL80 on a 2 year bridge deal until we get rid of BW26 contract. 6.5-7M.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?

My head hurts.

Would you like me to grab you an Advil, too?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 08:21:27 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?

My head hurts.

Again, not saying Copp is better.  Just a better fit.  MS55 is not our #1 C anymore, and if we want to keep PD80, and AC9, how do we keep MS55 too? 

And the +/- reference is addressing MS55's current play.  He may be putting up points, but opponents are putting up more when he is on the ice. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 08:26:20 PM
+/- is arguably the most useless, outdated statistic in hockey. It's almost as if there are other players on the ice for GF and GA.

+/- is better geared to lines/pairings and how good overall an entire team is. That's about it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 08:27:25 PM
Would you like me to grab you an Advil, too?

Do you have one for me also.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 08:28:56 PM
Do you have one for me also.

I most certainly do. Wash it down with some hot chocolate. :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 05, 2022, 06:13:05 AM
Agree Pigskin bout Copp?s max cap hit but I just sense he values his self as a #2 centre.
As such, if team finishes year together, than I would hazard to guess, Copp would see no room here
as a #2 (certainly not #1) & take his act elsewhere for $5.M
PLD will hopefully rally & become a point a game player by end of regular season.
However, should he come in a range of say 65-70 points, Chevy would be lucky to get him to
bridge at no more then $6.5M ?? otherwise this man will be looking for $8.M  ?.. humble guess


It would be overthetop luck if Wheelers contract ever got picked up by another team.
He is needed by our team but this condensed upcoming schedule will certainly test his & PS25 legs
Chevy needs a younger rt. shot forward, like Boeser, down the stretch


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
Tell us about it.

What does everyone figure AC9 is worth for his next contract.  For me it's 4-4.5M max.

What does everyone think PL80 worth. PL80 on a 2 year bridge deal until we get rid of BW26 contract. 6.5-7M.



I'm out on AC9 - we can't afford him and we've skunked this year up. We should trade him at the deadline and get something back.

I love your PLD80 number and hope all parties agree to that. Because he could certainly demand more, but maybe the bridge is a good way around that because he's still growing as a player.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 04:33:36 PM
I'm out on AC9 - we can't afford him and we've skunked this year up. We should trade him at the deadline and get something back.

I love your PLD80 number and hope all parties agree to that. Because he could certainly demand more, but maybe the bridge is a good way around that because he's still growing as a player.

Not getting anything worthwhile for AC9 at the deadline, maybe a 3rd rounder or a prospect.  Worth much more to retain negotiating rights up until FA day.

PL80 at less than $7mil will be a steal, on any term.  I would happily give him the same contract BW26 is playing on right now... with the "C" to go with it.  5 years, $8.25mil would be awesome.  Reference Laine at $7.5mil / 1 year...

Flip 26 and 85, frees up 14.375mil in cap space.  Sign PD80 and AC9 to long term deals to solidify down the C, and find a 2nd line RW in FA that wants to play with AC9 and NE27 for the PS25 money...

New team dynamic going forward....





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 05:30:47 PM
I'm out on AC9 - we can't afford him and we've skunked this year up. We should trade him at the deadline and get something back.

Hard to get much of value for a pending UFA at the TDL, though.

My guess? Copp signs a multi-year deal with the Red Wings in the off-season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
Hard to get much of value for a pending UFA at the TDL, though.

My guess? Copp signs a multi-year deal with the Red Wings in the off-season.


Agree, AC9 and PS25 will be the first to go once the Jets realize there not making the playoffs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 05:56:54 PM
Not getting anything worthwhile for AC9 at the deadline, maybe a 3rd rounder or a prospect.  Worth much more to retain negotiating rights up until FA day.

PL80 at less than $7mil will be a steal, on any term.  I would happily give him the same contract BW26 is playing on right now... with the "C" to go with it.  5 years, $8.25mil would be awesome.  Reference Laine at $7.5mil / 1 year...

Flip 26 and 85, frees up 14.375mil in cap space.  Sign PD80 and AC9 to long term deals to solidify down the C, and find a 2nd line RW in FA that wants to play with AC9 and NE27 for the PS25 money...

New team dynamic going forward....

We don?t need to keep negotiating with a player that we can?t afford to keep.

It would have been worth it to keep him if we were having the successful season we all expected, but it hasn?t gone that way. So you trade him to get some value.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 06:04:17 PM
Even if the Jets were competing for a playoff spot, I wouldn't see Copp staying here unless the Jets really overpaid, both in money and term.

Agree, AC9 and PS25 will be the first to go once the Jets realize there not making the playoffs.

Stastny doesn't get you much at the TDL with no term left on his deal, either. He'd be a solid vet rental for a playoff team, which means a meh draft pick at best.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 06:08:17 PM
We don?t need to keep negotiating with a player that we can?t afford to keep.

It would have been worth it to keep him if we were having the successful season we all expected, but it hasn?t gone that way. So you trade him to get some value.

Can't afford to keep him with 55 and 26 salaries on the books... be hard pressed to keep 80 past RFA as well...

Trading UFA's for rental is going to net late draft picks... at best.  Retaining any of our UFA's is impossible with the present roster.  PS25 will be gone, one way or the other after this season, might be a good guy to keep for mentoring purposes if all you get for him is a conditional 4th rounder...

Going forward, 26 and to a lesser degree 55 are going to age out of the lineup before we get truly competitive again.  But, at this trade deadline, they have maximum value, for teams looking for help now, with some value for the next few years.    

Even if the Jets were competing for a playoff spot, I wouldn't see Copp staying here unless the Jets really overpaid, both in money and term.

Stastny doesn't get you much at the TDL with no term left on his deal, either. He'd be a solid vet rental for a playoff team, which means a meh draft pick at best.

I would think AC9 would stay with a decent offer and a shot at #2 C...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 06:16:27 PM
Copp is one year younger then MS55. So the aging out when it comes to MS55 is another head shaker.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 06:16:39 PM
I would think AC9 would stay with a decent offer and a shot at #2 C...

You'd be wrong. He's a pending UFA and all realistic expectations are he's going to test the waters. The Jets would need to do more than make a decent offer to even be in the conversation. And this idea of "guaranteeing" him a 2C role is ridiculous when you've got two better centres on the roster in Scheifele and Dubois, not to mention smacks of favouritism.

Copp is one year younger then MS55. So the aging out when it comes to MS55 is another head shaker.

The narrative is comical.

Scheifele is an old man, apparently. Copp is a spring chicken by comparison despite being just a year younger. So absurd.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
The guy just isn't a 2nd. line center on this team or many teams in the NHL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 06:50:41 PM
You'd be wrong. He's a pending UFA and all realistic expectations are he's going to test the waters. The Jets would need to do more than make a decent offer to even be in the conversation. And this idea of "guaranteeing" him a 2C role is ridiculous when you've got two better centres on the roster in Scheifele and Dubois, not to mention smacks of favouritism.

The narrative is comical.

Scheifele is an old man, apparently. Copp is a spring chicken by comparison despite being just a year younger. So absurd.

No guarantee of C2, and if you move MS55 (the only way you can sign him to a long term deal) he is the second best C on the team...

Just saying, today, AC( is a better 200 ft player, and from the sounds of it, a better team player. 

Who knows why MS55 is lacklustre right now.. long COVID,  disgruntled by his "cap friendly" deal, or just burnt out... but unless he gets a fire lit under him, and steps up, I'm more than comfortable moving on from him.  Reading that Lowry has benched him twice so far, I can see why watching his lack of hustle... maybe a stint in the press box wakes him up...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 08:21:43 PM
Well keep dreaming Copp will be our 2nd. line C. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 05, 2022, 11:07:40 PM
Copp will not be here in any scenario whether Scheif is traded or not. I guess maybe if we offered some ridiculous price for a guy who may never be a stalwart top 6.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: DM83 on February 06, 2022, 05:41:22 AM
Jets window/ door is shut.
Schiffle has decided to quit on the team.  He is still setting up the team's usual one goal, but he refuses to play any defence.

Cheldayoff doesn't know who to sign.
But at this point the team has so many holes, they have no hope.....as usual.

Kopp should be traded. He is not alone
Wheeler is. Done
Poink was a rediculous Signing. Tiny, Mr. Give away, move him.
Third. And fourth line guys.....will any of them score a fifth goal?  No. We should play two of the five. The rest are AHL guys.

My favourite Peter Stasny,,might be done. Great assist guy though.m he needs some guys to play with.

The team has decent defemcemen.
Hellerbuck,is,grossly overpaid. The other guy, .....well the Jets will not even play him.

The team needs. Guys that would rather win, than just skate around. Tavin, Reeves should be available.
The Jets should dump,some salaries, hellerbuck, Wheeler, Ehlers ( always hurt) Pionk, Kopp, and Shieffle while he still has some value ...but don't draft tiny slow forwards.

I get the feeling ownership, might be realizing they can't get players here,,so sign  and over pay mediocre guys and hope they improve with career years.  A seemingly consistent record of  top ten draft choices, provide a best as possible line up, but in realit know, we will never be  better than entertainment, not a contender.
So we should finish with a top ten draft choice.....we should we pick


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 07, 2022, 02:46:28 PM
I've been a Scheifele fan for years, but he has lost me this year.  I've yelled at the screen too many times, and when the statement about team identity surfaced, that was the straw...
You cannot have a leader that does not think your team has an identity. 
But he's right, the team has no identity. Any other answer would be blowing smoke.
Scheifele has too much talent to write off at this point. He is a defensive black hole, but proper coaching could still salvage his career.
I'd purge most of the coaching staff in the offseason.
Wheeler is not tradeable with that albatross of a contract. Jets would have to move out assets with him to get any takers. Not worth it.
Move Copp and Stastny before the deadline for picks and clear some cap room. Same with Schmidt if there are any takers but I doubt it. Realistically I don't think much more will go down. Some fans are screaming for a scorched earth rebuild but I can't see that happening. Most sports writers picked the Jets to finish in the top 3 in the West this year.
Jets have a lot of players that are having disappointing years.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 03:46:35 PM
But he's right, the team has no identity. Any other answer would be blowing smoke.
Scheifele has too much talent to write off at this point. He is a defensive black hole, but proper coaching could still salvage his career.
I'd purge most of the coaching staff in the offseason.
Wheeler is not tradeable with that albatross of a contract. Jets would have to move out assets with him to get any takers. Not worth it.
Move Copp and Stastny before the deadline for picks and clear some cap room. Same with Schmidt if there are any takers but I doubt it. Realistically I don't think much more will go down. Some fans are screaming for a scorched earth rebuild but I can't see that happening. Most sports writers picked the Jets to finish in the top 3 in the West this year.
Jets have a lot of players that are having disappointing years.

I don't care how true it is, you NEVER dis your team like that, especially if you are one of the leaders.  If he said something along the lines of "there have been a lot of changes and this whole COVID thing is making it difficult right now, but as one of the leaders, I am committed to bringing the team together and building a new identity..."  TAHT would be what a leader should say.  "Nope" just did not cut it.

As to saving his career, thank you for comfirming that he sucks right now.  Do we have the time and ability to "save" him?  Do we NEED to "save" him? 

As to BE26 and his contract... everyone says what a deal MS55's contract is, so package them.  There's your "asset" it takes to move BW26.  Need to bring back a lot of cap for someone to make the deal, but there have to be a lot of expensive, top notch UFA RW we could get back...

In the meantime, make sure that Copp is signable before UFA is reached.  Trading MS55 is all contingent on being able to keep AC9.  Losing both would be disasterous, unless you can sign Khadri... ;)

Do *WE*


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 07, 2022, 07:19:21 PM
If he said something along the lines of "there have been a lot of changes and this whole COVID thing is making it difficult right now, but as one of the leaders, I am committed to bringing the team together and building a new identity..."  TAHT would be what a leader should say.  "Nope" just did not cut it.

I assume you only have read the click bait Tory Westwood tweet on this this issue.
This is what he actually said. It's very similar to what you think he should have said:
https://www.tsn.ca/video/do-the-jets-have-an-identity-probably-not~2371266


you NEVER dis your team like that, especially if you are one of the leaders. 

And you want to give this guy the C?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USs9AXkGpMs


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on February 07, 2022, 07:43:11 PM
Copp is 27 year old, and appears to be on course for perhaps 20 goals this season.

Why not keep him as part of the core for a rebuild ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 08:02:31 PM
What if we keep Copp and trade Lowry and Beaulieu ?


Very hard no on Lowry. We have very little toughness as it is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 08:28:34 PM
I assume you only have read the click bait Tory Westwood tweet on this this issue.
This is what he actually said. It's very similar to what you think he should have said:
https://www.tsn.ca/video/do-the-jets-have-an-identity-probably-not~2371266


And you want to give this guy the C?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USs9AXkGpMs

Watched the MS55 clip, a little better than what Westwood portrayed it as, but no mea culpas or taking of responsibility...  part way to what I would have wanted, sure, but far from it.

As to your clip of one shift of PD80 from his Columbus days.. really?  Have you watched him play in a Jets uniform, especially with KC81 and CP91?  Yeah, that's a guy I want the C on.  He fights hard for the puck, and gets the dirty goals, and makes hits. 

This team does need an identity.  The current "leaders" have lost the room,  Not sure BW26 is capable physically of the job he used to do, leading by hustle/example, and MS55 does not seem interested in leading anymore, has zero 200' game.  Find a clip of any of MS55 shift this year... it will look like the one PD80 shift you cherry picked...

PD80 "C". AC9 and AL17 "A".  Will give the team Identity real quick....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 08:31:51 PM
Watched the MS55 clip, a little better than what Westwood portrayed it as, but no mea culpas or taking of responsibility...  part way to what I would have wanted, sure, but far from it.

As to your clip of one shift of PD80 from his Columbus days.. really?  Have you watched him play in a Jets uniform, especially with KC81 and CP91?  Yeah, that's a guy I want the C on.  He fights hard for the puck, and gets the dirty goals, and makes hits. 

This team does need an identity.  The current "leaders" have lost the room,  Not sure BW26 is capable physically of the job he used to do, leading by hustle/example, and MS55 does not seem interested in leading anymore, has zero 200' game.  Find a clip of any of MS55 shift this year... it will look like the one PD80 shift you cherry picked...

PD80 "C". AC9 and AL17 "A".  Will give the team Identity real quick....

Copp isn't a 2nd. line C, give it up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2022, 09:35:27 PM
Jee-zus... What happened to this thread?

Wait, nevermind. I know.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 09:53:16 PM
So, COVID has caught up with us again... sigh...  Pionk, Dubois and Poganski all into protocol...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 07:56:24 PM
7 pm start tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 08:12:53 PM
If we were not so shorthanded right now, I'd suggest MS55 watch tonight from the pressbox. 

Hopefully, there has been enough "discussion" in the social and mainstream media that he is getting the message he has to step it up.

Probably time for our new coaching search to heat up a little as well, maybe we need a new interim coach, from outside. 

What's Ted Nolan doing these days? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 08:21:06 PM
If we were not so shorthanded right now, I'd suggest MS55 watch tonight from the pressbox. 

Hopefully, there has been enough "discussion" in the social and mainstream media that he is getting the message he has to step it up.

Probably time for our new coaching search to heat up a little as well, maybe we need a new interim coach, from outside. 

What's Ted Nolan doing these days? 

MS55 in the press box, a little to much time on the pipe.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 09:07:00 PM
MS55 in the press box, a little to much time on the pipe.

Needs something to wake him up.  He is in a funk, a slump, he's playing like Betty White out there.  He needs a Snickers, a slumpbuster, or some time on the pines (Lowry has benched him in third periods twice so far that I have heard of)., or a game in the pressbox to either shake or break him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 08, 2022, 09:39:04 PM
Yeah, let's throw the team's struggling 1C in the press box as the Jets scratch and claw to keep pace with numerous other players already out of the lineup due to injuries and COVID protocol.

What a ridiculously irrational suggestion.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 10:45:17 PM
Yeah, let's throw the team's struggling 1C in the press box as the Jets scratch and claw to keep pace with numerous other players already out of the lineup due to injuries and COVID protocol.

What a ridiculously irrational suggestion.



Did you not see where I said "If we were not so shorthanded right now"

Jeesh.

What is YOUR suggestion for waking MS55 up?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 08, 2022, 11:20:26 PM
Somewhat surprised that Connors wasn't practicing with Wheels & Scheif ...... won't be shocked to see that occur if team doesn't gel vs Wild


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 09, 2022, 03:25:53 AM
MS55 with the game winner.

Helli was lights out, rock solid.

Trade Lowry, never. The man is a beast.

81/91 were missing 80.

Good win over a good team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 09, 2022, 03:29:49 AM
Hugely physical game. Loved that they?re playing pi**ed off.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 09, 2022, 01:34:00 PM
Hugely physical game. Loved that they?re playing pi**ed off.

Absolutely solid defensive game last night. Scheifele, Perfetti, and Connor all stuck out for the right reasons. Hellebuyck looked like his old self.

Lowry sticking up for his team in those two brawls was awesome. Greenway and Foligno are such clowns, the latter in particular. That knee to the head was disgusting; he better sit a few games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2022, 03:02:22 PM
MS55 certainly had a better game.  Actually saw him backchecking, it was awesome.

No one has mentioned AC9, he also had a great game. 

As decimated as the team is by injury and protocol, a solid effort.  It is almost like the team needs adversity to rally to.  Maybe that's their identity, back them into a corner and watch them up their game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 09, 2022, 04:03:27 PM
AC9 had a chance to C the Jets top line. He was a none factor. I also noticed that he not very physical.

He had 5 shots and, 3 excellent scoring chances and nothing. Best place for him is playing along side 17.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 09, 2022, 05:36:19 PM
Nobody had to mention Copp (who did have a great game and has been really good all season) because he hasn't been the target of vitriol and hyperbole in this thread and elsewhere online.

It's nice to see the armchair GMs and coaches zip it, even for a day. Their boorish narrative was getting old and pretty annoying.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 09, 2022, 05:52:58 PM
I am wondering how many games Foligno?

Interesting, Foligno and Greenwood, both with 0 shots on goal. To busy running around being a__ clowns.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 09, 2022, 11:45:04 PM
My gosh what a terrific team effort ....... lots of effective Jets hustle & anticipation, which was rewarded in turnovers.
Outstanding faceoff numbers which helped us control, instead of chase.
The previous mentioned players were indeed great, plus wish to add Harkins, Reichel, Heinola & definitely DeMelo


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2022, 06:24:09 PM
7:30 start tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 11, 2022, 08:06:51 PM
Dubois, Pionk back in the lineup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 11, 2022, 11:59:04 PM
Great news bout RubaDub and Pionk ??. Go Jets Go


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 12, 2022, 03:43:59 PM
Jets played a pretty solid game.

I thought Helli played very good.

Another clean hit by Dillon, which turns into to a fight. So I guess there's no more clean hard hits in the NHL anymore.

 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 13, 2022, 03:38:50 AM
Jets with a slow start, but finished strong.

55/26 combine for 8 points.

Love the Jets lines right now.

Would to see us get a little more size up front to help out AL17 the man knuckles must be sore.

Helli had another strong game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 13, 2022, 04:46:52 PM
Geez what a nice turnaround from down 2-0 and shots were 10-1 early in first for Preds
Shift after shift of hard on the puck had Preds struggling to get organized.
HellB was so positionally strong and rebounds got swept away for the most part
Scoring twice on the major penalty was terrific to see. Very pleased to see Wheels deflect in a beauty


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 13, 2022, 05:18:33 PM
Really like the Jets lines last night. However it would be nice if we could get a little tougher up front. AL17 can't be fighting every night. 

25/55/26
81/80/91/
9/17/87


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2022, 01:34:21 PM
Wheeler with 5 points, Scheifele with 3 points, Connor cracks 50 points on the season.

Heck of a game the other night!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 14, 2022, 03:49:18 PM
Wheeler with 5 points, Scheifele with 3 points, Connor cracks 50 points on the season.

Heck of a game the other night!

Best game I've seen all year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 14, 2022, 06:27:26 PM
Stanley draws back in tonight ........ Pionk is on his 10th day of Covid protocol & is stuck in the US for one more night

Expect there to be some awesome skill shown tonight  ......... hope some production happens from our bottom 6 fwds


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 14, 2022, 08:01:34 PM
8 pm start tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 15, 2022, 04:04:59 AM
Well You have to score more then one goal to win most games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 15, 2022, 06:29:20 AM
Stone hands & Fleury combine for a terrible time to lose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 15, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Disappointing.

Every time it feels like we have something going, we fall flat on our faces.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
Fleury stood on his head last night. Not the first time's done that to this team.

Can't lost these games and expect the playoffs to be a possibility, IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 16, 2022, 06:35:36 PM
6 pm start tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 17, 2022, 03:42:59 AM
Epic third period!! Scheif with the Hatty!

If only we could build consistency


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 04:00:03 AM
BW26 and  MS55 both with 4 points. And someone wanted to trade MS55.

This team needs to string 5 or 6 wins together.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 17, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
If we were not so shorthanded right now, I'd suggest MS55 watch tonight from the pressbox. 

In the 5 games since this post Mark Scheifele has 7 goals and 4 assists for 11 points.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 17, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
In the 5 games since this post Mark Scheifele has 7 goals and 4 assists for 11 points.
BW26 and  MS55 both with 4 points. And someone wanted to trade MS55.

This team needs to string 5 or 6 wins together.

Sounds like he got the message... and good on him.  I was really doubtful he'd make this turnaround, this fast.  Seems Wheeler has picked up his game too.

Still needs some work on the D side of things, even with all his offence, he is still -12.  For every goal he has scored in these last 5 games, a goal was scored against us while he was on watch...   he had a hatty last night, but 2 of MIN's goals were scored with him on the ice..

The rink is 200' long...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
Sounds like he got the message... and good on him.  I was really doubtful he'd make this turnaround, this fast.  Seems Wheeler has picked up his game too.

Still needs some work on the D side of things, even with all his offence, he is still -12.  For every goal he has scored in these last 5 games, a goal was scored against us while he was on watch...   he had a hatty last night, but 2 of MIN's goals were scored with him on the ice..

The rink is 200' long...

Doesn't mean it's his man, or he is making a D zone mistake.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 17, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
Doesn't mean it's his man, or he is making the a D zone mistake.

I don't think it's a secret that Merk plays weak defence. I just don't think we really care if he's got his scoring touch back.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 17, 2022, 04:12:02 PM
In the 5 games since this post Mark Scheifele has 7 goals and 4 assists for 11 points.

Aged like fine milk. ;D

I don't think it's a secret that Merk plays weak defence. I just don't think we really care if he's got his scoring touch back.

His 200 ft. game has been markedly better recently, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
I don't think it's a secret that Merk plays weak defence. I just don't think we really care if he's got his scoring touch back.

I happy that 55 is back scoring goals. Since puts PS25 back with 55/26, there product has been much better.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 07:33:59 PM
7 pm start tonight. App's back in the peg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 17, 2022, 10:13:22 PM
MS55 has been playing better D of late, but still not where he should be... and yes, scoring makes people forget about D... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 12:44:16 AM
Pretty ugly opening frame. Jets look tired. Nice shorty by Toninato.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 04:16:52 AM
It was a pretty ugly first period. But it was an excellent 2nd.

EC1 played another very solid game. Nice break for Helli.

I think we finally have 3 solid lines, 4th still a work in progress.

KR87 is playing very well right now, looked good with 80/81 late in the game. Has a little more speed and grit then CP91.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Did not expect that game to go the way it did. Dubois tied it up and the Jets basically took over. Solid character win, IMO.

Wheeler has 11 points (3G, 8A) in his last four games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 05:37:37 PM
Yes, BW26 is playing well.

Big games on Saturday. The Oilers have played well there last 4 games.

Helli should be rested and hopefully sharp.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 06:10:12 PM
Jets claim F Adam Brooks from the Marlies.

Also didn't realize Perfetti left last night's game with an undisclosed injury.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 06:13:24 PM
Jets claim F Adam Brooks from the Marlies.

Also didn't realize Perfetti left last night's game with an undisclosed injury.

Yes, thought something mite have happen as 87 took his spot with 80/81 late in the game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 06:42:18 PM
Anyone else hear that NE27 mite not be back till mid March?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 06:49:36 PM
Jets claim F Adam Brooks from the Marlies.

Also didn't realize Perfetti left last night's game with an undisclosed injury.

Brooks has had an interesting year. Started in with Toronto, then to Montreal, then Vegas, back to Toronto, and now with Winnipeg. Crazy year for this kid.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 07:15:25 PM
Anyone else hear that NE27 mite not be back till mid March?

That doesn't surprise me. He's not even back on the ice training.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 18, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
That doesn't surprise me. He's not even back on the ice training.

He is apparently skating every other day by himself...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2022, 05:35:30 PM
3 pm start today. Need a big win today.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 19, 2022, 05:38:51 PM
He is apparently skating every other day by himself...

And is "not even close" according to the coach.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2022, 05:48:00 PM
And is "not even close" according to the coach.

The sad part is Orlov 2 games, and a $51K fine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: PloenFan on February 19, 2022, 07:59:56 PM
Perhaps Orlov should have been suspended for as long as Ehlers is injured.  ???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2022, 09:42:45 PM
Perhaps Orlov should have been suspended for as long as Ehlers is injured.  ???

Should be the new rule.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2022, 10:49:24 PM
Well we started to play a little to late.

Also to many starting playing missing, 27, 91, 9.

I thought the 4th. line played well again.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 20, 2022, 07:27:12 PM
No doubt the lack of any goals during the 1st period 5 on 3 advantage, held by the Jets, played a major role in the loss.
Very happy to see Lowry score ........ he's now on pace for a 7 goal season, yuk.

This upcoming 4 game road trip has the a "make or break" scenario. The Jets must salvage more wins/points in the results than opponents.
Scheif needs to turn his ugly -14 around, Harkins, Vesalainen & Reichel need to score.   Copp would be a welcomed contributor for this trip

Anyone else surprised by the fact Pionk did not appear on the 2nd PP group in the dying minutes


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 20, 2022, 07:59:57 PM
Pionk has not had a very good year. Just not playing like he did last year.

55/25/26, with 4 on D where -10 for the game.

I also thought that Coach L should have had 87 with 80/81. 93 is just not fast enough or productive enough to play with those 2 players.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 21, 2022, 01:12:55 PM
Leon Draisaitl is a jerk.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 21, 2022, 04:13:53 PM
Leon Draisaitl is a jerk.

Yes, Thinking of LD, I think that should have been a 5 minute spearing penalty, not a 2 minute slash.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 21, 2022, 06:28:22 PM
No doubt the lack of any goals during the 1st period 5 on 3 advantage, held by the Jets, played a major role in the loss.
Very happy to see Lowry score ........ he's now on pace for a 7 goal season, yuk.

This upcoming 5 game road trip has the a "make or break" scenario. The Jets must salvage more wins/points in the results than opponents.
Scheif needs to turn his ugly -14 around, Harkins, Vesalainen & Reichel need to score.   Copp would be a welcomed contributor for this trip

Anyone else surprised by the fact Pionk did not appear on the 2nd PP group in the dying minutes

Agree, we either play very well on this road trip or we will sellers in when we get back.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 21, 2022, 07:56:17 PM
Adam Brooks with 81/80 today.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 21, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
Adam Brooks with 81/80 today.

to start, lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 21, 2022, 08:06:04 PM
Lowry shows short patience many times ?? hope Brook excels immediately


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 21, 2022, 10:57:43 PM
to start, lol

I was surprised he stayed with them till late in the 3rd. period.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 21, 2022, 10:59:14 PM
Tough game to lose. 12/17/87 had a very good game. 4th. line is playing well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 21, 2022, 11:23:36 PM
Connor handles the puck better, 99 of 100 times, & we're out of our end ........  the turnover happens & voila, the worst result


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 01:00:54 AM
Clearing our own zone has been a problem all year. Another small mistake, another L.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 04:02:54 AM
Oilers, Niemelainen fined $2043.75 for his cross check on KV93.

I am wondering what Calgary's goal will get for the slash to AL17 back?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 22, 2022, 04:45:56 PM
Oilers, Niemelainen fined $2043.75 for his cross check on KV93.

I am wondering what Calgary's goal will get for the slash to AL17 back?

Considering AL17 did not even seem to notice it, nada...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 22, 2022, 04:47:09 PM
Looking like we're picking up a boatload of draft picks soon...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 05:10:59 PM
Considering AL17 did not even seem to notice it, nada...

I guess you didn't see AL17 go back after the next whistle and have a few words with him. I will go with $5K.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 23, 2022, 01:44:26 AM
During last nights game or during pregame CJOB show a couple facts revealed ;

The Jets have just a meagre 2 players who have played in all their games ....... while the Flames have 12 players with perfect attendance.   
WOW !!        However,  I believe was in part to the fact the Flames had numerous games cancelled till team was clear of Covid protocol
........ Team dressed goalies not counted

The Jets have the least goals scored by all their total Dmen used in the NHL.   This stat I checked & sadly yes, the Jets have used 11 dmen with only 13 goals produced ........ there is no doubt that our team lacks a Point Shot Threat
Canucks, the Sens, Islanders, Kings & Wings have dmen totals of only 14 goals total 
after that it goes from 15 for the Stars to a whopping 44 goals by the Avalanche 11 Dmen   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 23, 2022, 01:58:50 AM
Adam Brooks debut was not an ice shaker ........ was replaced in third period by Svechnikov on line with Dubois & Connors
...... guessing legs were not happening for him late in game ...... but coach Lowry played him for 14:12 of the game & he recorded 1 shot 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:02:15 AM
The Jets stink and are not an entertaining team to watch, they will be at half capacity next season restrictions or not.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 23, 2022, 03:18:59 AM
Brooks looked slow and was way behind the play most of the time.

87, is a much better fit with 80/81 while 91 is out.

With 27 out, and now 9 and 91, isn't been a struggle.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 01:28:03 PM
The Jets stink and are not an entertaining team to watch, they will be at half capacity next season restrictions or not.

This is hyperbole.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 23, 2022, 03:45:35 PM
The Jets stink and are not an entertaining team to watch, they will be at half capacity next season restrictions or not.

If Lowry is not the guy going forward, I can imagine Chipman making Chevy hire a coach that will assist in filling seats...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:53:58 PM
This is hyperbole.

Well, I get offered free tickets every few weeks.  People can?t even sell them for peanuts and don?t want to waste them.  Even for free they are tough to get rid of.  I went once to see Ovi and say no now, and I am not the only one.  Boring, crappy uninspired play.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:55:34 PM
If Lowry is not the guy going forward, I can imagine Chipman making Chevy hire a coach that will assist in filling seats...

Assuming Chevy gets to pick another coach......He fired one, one fired himself and Lowry can?t win with this roster either. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 04:52:28 PM
Well, I get offered free tickets every few weeks.  People can?t even sell them for peanuts and don?t want to waste them.  Even for free they are tough to get rid of.  I went once to see Ovi and say no now, and I am not the only one.  Boring, crappy uninspired play.

You or others being offered free tickets isn't evidence of anything, much less your claim the arena will be half full next season. Anecdotes and conjecture are not proof.

I agree on the Jets being boring and uninspired more often than not this season. A lot of unfortunate factors at play that have all but derailed their playoff hopes and it's looking like next season territory at this point.

If the Islanders continue to stink, I expect Trotz to be fired. Hopefully, he'd be someone the Jets could try and lure here, as I'm not sure who else is available with that level of tenure.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 23, 2022, 05:18:05 PM
Assuming Chevy gets to pick another coach......He fired one, one fired himself and Lowry can?t win with this roster either. 

If Chevy goes, all bets are off... the opportunity the new GM, with his new coach, will have with a very talented lineup to start from could be the box office jumpstart the team needs.  Plus, it removes any perceived link to the Blackhawks debacle, move them n from that era.  

I can see a fire sale of vets and prospects that aren't thriving here at Chipman's instructions, stockpiling draft picks, and then clean house from GM to skate sharpener... there should be a fair amount of shuffling happening this year, and there might be a GM/coach out there that just needs some new scenery...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 23, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
You or others being offered free tickets isn't evidence of anything, much less your claim the arena will be half full next season. Anecdotes and conjecture are not proof.

I agree on the Jets being boring and uninspired more often than not this season. A lot of unfortunate factors at play that have all but derailed their playoff hopes and it's looking like next season territory at this point.

If the Islanders continue to stink, I expect Trotz to be fired. Hopefully, he'd be someone the Jets could try and lure here, as I'm not sure who else is available with that level of tenure.

There is no doubt that the bloom is off the bush now for Jets 2.0, and whether we survive in the NHL sheerly through Chipmans generosity in funding a money losing team, I guess we will just find out.  But unless we get back to the top of the standings, I can't see sellouts happening anymore, except when a visiting team inspires it.

Lowry has been saddled with a COVID ridden injured squad with "no identity".  Tough shoes to step into, for sure, if he can turn this team around, have them "Find an identity" and rack up some wins and challenge for a WC spot, he might get another year here, or at least get his name out there as a HC candidate... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 23, 2022, 05:40:06 PM
You or others being offered free tickets isn't evidence of anything, much less your claim the arena will be half full next season. Anecdotes and conjecture are not proof.

I agree on the Jets being boring and uninspired more often than not this season. A lot of unfortunate factors at play that have all but derailed their playoff hopes and it's looking like next season territory at this point.

If the Islanders continue to stink, I expect Trotz to be fired. Hopefully, he'd be someone the Jets could try and lure here, as I'm not sure who else is available with that level of tenure.

Well, not long ago people were selling their extra season tickets at a profit to pay for the games they wanted.  The fact the tickets are almost worthless now is very telling of demand of seeing a game live.

Not sure what they can do but lowering concessions 25-50% ASAP would be a good immediate action to try and get people to games and maybe convince some to not dump their season as soon as the can.

Pretty sure the ?wait list? for seasons is a thing of the past now as well.  They are in trouble.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 06:15:41 PM
Well, not long ago people were selling their extra season tickets at a profit to pay for the games they wanted.  The fact the tickets are almost worthless now is very telling of demand of seeing a game live.

Not sure what they can do but lowering concessions 25-50% ASAP would be a good immediate action to try and get people to games and maybe convince some to not dump their season as soon as the can.

Pretty sure the ?wait list? for seasons is a thing of the past now as well.  They are in trouble.

More conjecture. Comical.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 23, 2022, 06:38:59 PM
Copp #15 on the TSN trade list. Big Ben is a hot ticket right now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 23, 2022, 07:32:50 PM
There is no doubt that the bloom is off the bush now for Jets 2.0, and whether we survive in the NHL sheerly through Chipmans generosity in funding a money losing team, I guess we will just find out.  But unless we get back to the top of the standings, I can't see sellouts happening anymore, except when a visiting team inspires it.

Lowry has been saddled with a COVID ridden injured squad with "no identity".  Tough shoes to step into, for sure, if he can turn this team around, have them "Find an identity" and rack up some wins and challenge for a WC spot, he might get another year here, or at least get his name out there as a HC candidate... 

Still won't let go of the "identity" comments from like a month ago? No one is talking about trading Scheifele anymore.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 23, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
More conjecture. Comical.

Listen to me now, believe me later?..people have lost interest.   Nobody is even talking about them at gatherings or casual conversation anymore, other than the few hardcore s that talk about how much they suck.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 08:34:09 PM
Still won't let go of the "identity" comments from like a month ago? No one is talking about trading Scheifele anymore.

The team has an identity but it's not flattering compared to previous years. The 2021-22 Winnipeg Jets are a middling team due to issues related to team defense, coaching, injuries/COVID Protocol, a lack of or limited chemistry, special teams struggles, etc.

This season is basically a write-off at this point, IMO.

Listen to me now, believe me later?..people have lost interest.   Nobody is even speaking about them, other than the few hardcore s that talk about how much they suck.

Opinions or claims based on personal experience (conjecture/anecdotal evidence) is not necessarily factual or knowledgeable. Have fairweather/bandwagon fans lost interest? Yeah, those types of fans don't cheer for losing teams. That doesn't mean "nobody is speaking about them" or that only a "few hardcores" are talking about them.

A quick Google search shows the Jets are being discussed, albeit in less than positive terms at present. Be it their ongoing struggles, what's missing for them to succeed, trade deadline moves, etc., people here and elsewhere are talking about them. Just because it's not regarding a deep playoff run or something more glowing doesn't change that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 23, 2022, 09:04:41 PM
[Opinions or claims based on personal experience (conjecture/anecdotal evidence) is not necessarily factual or knowledgeable.]

Making decisions or forming opinions on personal experience is what we do all day every day.  The Jets have been playing average hockey or below for a few seasons now.  This year they will miss the playoffs and likely sell at the deadline.  If they don?t they will keep some familiar faces and  still suck, if they do they will gain something for years down the road but many people won?t be waiting for the bus when it gets there.

Fairweather fans?  That is not how most would describe season ticket holders, or the ones who were on the list waiting and they are leaving in droves. 

I can?t remember the last time someone asked me ?did you watch the game last night??.  Used to be several times a day years ago.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 23, 2022, 09:19:48 PM
Has anyone heard if AC9 or CP91 are back yet?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 24, 2022, 12:21:03 AM
No 64, 9, 91, 87 or 27. But not a bad 1st. period.

77 not adding anything to 80/81.

This is why I don't read much into plus/minus. 4 makes a big mistake and gives up a 3 on 1, 26,55, 25 all get a minus on that play.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 24, 2022, 02:42:18 AM
Listen to me now, believe me later?..people have lost interest.   Nobody is even talking about them at gatherings or casual conversation anymore, other than the few hardcore s that talk about how much they suck.

I heard people talking about the Jets the other day, and therefore I declare that fans have not lost interest based on that one experience.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on February 24, 2022, 02:53:33 AM
I heard people talking about the Jets the other day, and therefore I declare that fans have not lost interest based on that one experience.

Another big loss, time to sell what little star power they have.  People will be talking next season, saying things like who is that guy?  Is 19 losses in a row normal to start a season and the inevitable, I will take face value for my tickets, in Pesos.....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 24, 2022, 04:08:26 AM
HellB was great but alas he cannot get the bottom 6 to score, Scheif to be a beast or get Chevy to make a move.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2022, 03:33:11 AM
So it looks like to attend a Jets game for the rest of the season you will still have to be double vaccinated.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 25, 2022, 01:28:05 PM
So it looks like to attend a Jets game for the rest of the season you will still have to be double vaccinated.

Good. Covidiots punching the air right now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 25, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
I have heard that there are many fake Vax cards in use... the covidiots will get it... but TNSE understands that the vast majority of STH's want to be assured the fan next to them in an unmasked 100% capacity venue is vaxxed...  while they may lose a handful of potential sales to the unvaxxed without fake ID's, they will preserve a much larger number of vaxxed STHs..


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 25, 2022, 07:29:50 PM
Will they be doing masks too? I thought the policies TNSE put in place to start the season were very sensible.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2022, 09:15:23 PM
Masks are not required, but they are hoping people wear them when not eating or drinking.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 25, 2022, 10:10:49 PM
As of the 15th, mask will be strongly encouraged but optional. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 26, 2022, 03:36:58 AM
Excellent 1st. period.  And that was it.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 26, 2022, 04:22:12 AM
Up by 3 then ( insert any cliche you want ) ??. very humbling


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 26, 2022, 08:18:01 PM
Time to send Chevy packing and give someone else's vision a shot. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 26, 2022, 08:26:54 PM
Time to send Chevy packing and give someone else's vision a shot. 
agreed time to start a new ?process?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 26, 2022, 09:34:12 PM
Anyone heard anything about Chaz Lucius??


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 27, 2022, 05:17:11 PM
3 pm start today.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 27, 2022, 07:52:38 PM
Last game in Gila River arena...  been there once... was fun.  My buddy is just going in now.. he spends time in AZ every winter and goes to the Jets games...

Next year, new arena... ASU... 5,000 seats... a few less than the Jets 1.0 home rink...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 27, 2022, 09:01:21 PM
Nice to see AL17 getting a few goals lately.

Needed that win.

Comrie came up big when we needed him.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 28, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
Hooray ?? felt good to see them finish it off in the third ?.. decent team effort


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 01, 2022, 03:31:30 AM
Sounds like Copp could be back in the lineup, against Montreal, and NE27 is very close to returning.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 03:51:04 AM
This was a game we had to win. A good offensive performance, our D not so good. Blowing a big lead again is something this team needs to address.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 02, 2022, 03:12:56 PM
This was a game we had to win. A good offensive performance, our D not so good. Blowing a big lead again is something this team needs to address.

Tough when you have two must win games against the worst teams in the league... and almost lose...

Blowing an early four goal advantage is not what playoff teams do, especially against a team that has the second lowest "goals for" in the league.  My gosh.  Sure, they rebounded, but holy crap.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 04:27:15 PM
Hopefully NE27 will be back in the lineup for Fridays game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 02, 2022, 04:52:18 PM
It's next season territory, IMO. The Jets have less than a 6% chance of making the playoffs right now, a figure that worsened despite their victory last night.

This team just wasn't able to find its identity this season. Personally, I'd like to see a new regime in place. Not sure who's worth looking at for GM but Cheveldayoff's had over a decade now. If Trotz were to become available, I'd take him as HC.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 05:42:30 PM
I agree I think Chevy has taken this team as far as he can.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 02, 2022, 06:52:06 PM
I agree I think Chevy has taken this team as far as he can.

I am undecided on that. It seems like we have a great team on paper.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 07:29:55 PM
I am undecided on that. It seems like we have a great team on paper.



I would say good on paper, I am not going with great. I still don't love our D.

With NE27 coming back I think out O and team speed is very good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 02, 2022, 07:51:46 PM
I am undecided on that. It seems like we have a great team on paper.

A good team, IMO. A playoff team, to be sure.

Cheveldayoff's had his work cut out for him, this market being what it is. This season has been pretty disastrous and he's got to wear at least some of that, though.

The blue line remains a weakness on this roster, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 03, 2022, 12:08:38 AM
Chevy should get one more IMO. This year was messed and assuming next year is normal with respect to covid, we will see if we?ve maxed out or if this was a blip.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 03, 2022, 10:36:35 PM
NE27 back for Friday's game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 04, 2022, 09:04:06 AM
Yes, good chance that Ehlers skates with Copp and Lowry ??. hopefully on the 2nd PP unit
Svechnikov will be on a short lease unless his first 2 periods has him helping with chances and results


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 04, 2022, 07:51:14 PM
Another must win game for the Jets. No OT tonight. Can't give the Stars a point. 7 points out of a wildcard spot. Let's make it 3 in a row.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 04, 2022, 10:27:58 PM
Another must win game for the Jets. No OT tonight. Can't give the Stars a point. 7 points out of a wildcard spot. Let's make it 3 in a row.



Your optimism amuses me.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 04, 2022, 10:43:24 PM
The Jets lines appear to be:

Stastny-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Dubois-Svechnikov
Copp-Lowry-Ehlers
Vesalainen-Toninato-Harkins

Morrissey-DeMelo
Dillon-Pionk
Beaulieu-Schmidt



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 05, 2022, 12:19:48 AM
Trade Hellebuyck, start the rebuild there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 05, 2022, 04:05:21 AM
Entertaining game, nice to see NE27 flying around out there. Can't believe there was no penalty on the cross check to DeMelo.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 05, 2022, 04:39:53 AM
Definitely a good game. The ending was all too familiar, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 05, 2022, 02:56:30 PM
SELL!!!

SELL!!!

SELL!!!

Be early to the market, get max value...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 05, 2022, 06:05:04 PM
very unfortunate OT loss ....... as prev. said Jets needed a clear cut win so that the Stars got zero points
Turnovers were just sickening
Team is soooooo very soft in front of their net ( not exclusive to last night's game )

Will the Rangers call on Chevy for Morrissey & Copp


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 05, 2022, 06:16:17 PM
very unfortunate OT loss ....... as prev. said Jets needed a clear cut win so that the Stars got zero points
Turnovers were just sickening
Team is soooooo very soft in front of their net ( not exclusive to last night's game )

Will the Rangers call on Chevy for Morrissey & Copp

44 is our best D-man can't see him going anywhere. I think we will dump 9, 25, I would love to move 88. Good O skills, terrible in the D zone.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: pjrocksmb on March 05, 2022, 06:19:48 PM
Jets are an average team at best pretending to be good team that needs to do on thing, sell.  Admitting is the 1st step.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 06, 2022, 01:38:07 AM
44 is our best D-man can't see him going anywhere. I think we will dump 9, 25, I would love to move 88. Good O skills, terrible in the D zone.

9 and 25 would be good moves.

What kind of contract is 88 on?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 06, 2022, 02:01:56 AM
9 and 25 would be good moves.

What kind of contract is 88 on?

88 is at 6M.

DeMelo 3M, Dillon 4M, Pionk 6M, JM44 6.2M, Stanley 900K.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 06, 2022, 02:04:05 AM
Look at that we beat Montreal 8-4, Montreal turns around and beats Calgary 5-4, and kicks the Oilers a__ 5-2.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 06, 2022, 11:13:14 PM
Trade Hellebuyck, start the rebuild there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 07, 2022, 12:59:48 AM
Pull that sieve and go with 6 skaters....Helle sucks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on March 07, 2022, 01:06:05 AM
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Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 07, 2022, 01:25:40 AM
Jets a much better team with Helle on the bench and six skaters, he couldn?t  stop a beach ball anyway.

People pay to watch this.....?  Suckers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on March 07, 2022, 01:32:04 AM
People who watch the Jets pay because they love hockey and are fans of the Jets i.e., sticking with them through the good times and bad times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 07, 2022, 01:43:36 AM
People who watch the Jets pay because they love hockey and are fans of the Jets i.e., sticking with them through the good times and bad times.

Too bad they have to pay through the nose for such an uninspired, crappy team.  Lots of good minor playoff games going on for free in the city now.  Players who have not given up and play hard, exact opposite of the Jets charging 80-300$ bucks a seat.

A fool and their money as they say....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 07, 2022, 01:43:42 AM
Made plays but didn?t really make enough great plays.
No doubt we saw a pretty good goalie play a steady,  balanced game vs Jets

Morrissey has been skating like he?s all World for many, many games


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 07, 2022, 01:36:23 PM
A competent 200 ft. game on a consistent basis continues to elude this team.

Imagine being so out to lunch to put it all on a goalie, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 07, 2022, 03:35:14 PM
Did not realize we were paying our D so much...

Trading a Vezina winning goaler when the rest of the team struggles is kinda idiotic. 

That game. out shooting them 2 to 1 yet getting outscored 4-1 is insane. 

I think that game confirmed the sell order in WPG, time to shake everything up.  Might be a time for a Ladd trade of Wheeler... you CAN trade the captain when he is aging out on a big contract... and if nothing else, chase after a top 6 RW in FA...

MS55 has improved of late, so he can stay ;)

AC9 will be a tough loss going forward, if he's interested in staying, you can possibly trade and resign him... get something for him and give him an even better chance to make a case for his next contract by playing on an actual contender...

NB28 for a conditional 9th round pick....

Guessing Heinola is being held back because he is at 8 games?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 07, 2022, 03:54:36 PM
Wheeler has a no move contract. However he what a chance at a cup.

PS25 another guy that the Jets will move.

NB28 mite be out for the season. The Jets will probably just let me go to FA.

88 is still a guy would like to move.

If AC9 wants anymore then 4.5M he won't be in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 07, 2022, 04:22:51 PM
Wheeler has a no move contract. However he what a chance at a cup.

PS25 another guy that the Jets will move.

NB28 mite be out for the season. The Jets will probably just let me go to FA.

88 is still a guy would like to move.

If AC9 wants anymore then 4.5M he won't be in Winnipeg.

Did not realize NS88 is making $6 mil... he certainly hasn't earned that on the ice... shed that and you can give AC9 $4.5... not sure he's worth that much more than Lowry, but I guess we will see what the market is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 07, 2022, 05:12:20 PM
Ladd was on the final year of his contract when he was traded to CHI in 2016 with a modified NTC in effect. Wheeler has two more years remaining on his, not to mention it's currently on a NMC (modified NTC kicks in next season). An apples to oranges comparison as it gets. Now, if the Jets are in the same situation at this time a year from now, there may be a conversation to be had regarding moving the team's captain at the TDL. I fully expect that would involve salary retention.

Copp would be a solid depth rental for a playoff bound team but the return wouldn't be much, IMO. Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick...? Regardless, I see him in Detroit to start the 2022-23 season making north of $5M AAV.

Stastny can be moved at any time, irrespective of the return. Good riddance.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 07, 2022, 06:18:31 PM
I would give AC9 a $4.5M, 4 to 5 year deal all day long. However I think he's looking for more $$$. AL17 and AC9, play very well together, 87 when healthy could be a nice fit with them.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 07, 2022, 06:44:17 PM
Ladd was on the final year of his contract when he was traded to CHI in 2016 with a modified NTC in effect. Wheeler has two more years remaining on his, not to mention it's currently on a NMC (modified NTC kicks in next season). An apples to oranges comparison as it gets. Now, if the Jets are in the same situation at this time a year from now, there may be a conversation to be had regarding moving the team's captain at the TDL. I fully expect that would involve salary retention.

Copp would be a solid depth rental for a playoff bound team but the return wouldn't be much, IMO. Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick...? Regardless, I see him in Detroit to start the 2022-23 season making north of $5M AAV.

Stastny can be moved at any time, irrespective of the return. Good riddance.

My comparison is trading a player with the "C" on his chest.  Yes, you are correct, contract and clauses are totally different, but from a team dynamic, some would say trading the "C" is tough to do.  I think it actually kills two birds with one stone.  Gives us cap space and the "C" to sign PD80 long term...

Getting a wave of a no trade / no move clauses for an aging player on Canadian team with no playoff hope should be the easiest part of making this deal.  BW26 could be a key add for a team on a cup run.  Hardest part is getting the salary to fit, we could eat a small part of it, the other team would have to have a big ticket expiring contract player to deal back... THAT is the tough part...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 07, 2022, 07:59:35 PM
My comparison is trading a player with the "C" on his chest.  Yes, you are correct, contract and clauses are totally different, but from a team dynamic, some would say trading the "C" is tough to do.  I think it actually kills two birds with one stone.  Gives us cap space and the "C" to sign PD80 long term...

Getting a wave of a no trade / no move clauses for an aging player on Canadian team with no playoff hope should be the easiest part of making this deal.  BW26 could be a key add for a team on a cup run.  Hardest part is getting the salary to fit, we could eat a small part of it, the other team would have to have a big ticket expiring contract player to deal back... THAT is the tough part...

It isn't really a tough job to do when the parties involved agree to it with few to no obstacles in the way. That's why it was comparatively easier to do with Ladd six years ago. A pure rental piece for a contender is the easiest part of the sell, as was the case (pending UFA, $4.4M cap hit with the Jets retaining 1/3 of it IIRC). The C on the jersey is relevant solely from an optics standpoint. Wheeler's contract, regardless of possible salary retention by the Jets, is not beneficial for a contender from a term standpoint and his cap hit would significantly affect two additional seasons for the team that were to take on his contract. There's also nothing to suggest Wheeler is interested in waiving his NMC right now, either. The cons far outweigh the pros as things stand currently regarding such a trade proposal. It just doesn't seem realistic or beneficial to a team currently in the hunt.

Re-signing Dubois also has little to no bearing on what happens with Wheeler vis a vis the team's salary cap implications. The Jets are projected to have around $11.7M of cap space going into the off-season, Dubois being the most important piece of the pending RFA group (he also has arbitration rights).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 08, 2022, 01:57:56 AM
The horse is out of the barn with Helle, every team knows he sucks.  He works on closing one hole and another opens, it was short side high awhile ago and now it?s five hole flat on the ice.  The average Timbits player would light him up.


Hopefully there is a sucker out there and they can get something decent for him.  Addition by subtraction.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 08, 2022, 02:20:17 AM
Can you please stop with the "Helle sucks" posts? You're just repeating yourself over and over and no one is responding.

Almost like you're trying to bait someone (see what I'm getting at?)...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: road griller on March 08, 2022, 02:28:05 AM
Can you please stop with the "Helle sucks" posts? You're just repeating yourself over and over and no one is responding.

Almost like you're trying to bait someone (see what I'm getting at?)...

I am sure they agree.  Although he still has some fooled I suppose.  Hopefully another GM is on that list.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 08, 2022, 05:09:11 PM
Can you please stop with the "Helle sucks" posts? You're just repeating yourself over and over and no one is responding.

Almost like you're trying to bait someone (see what I'm getting at?)...

If it isn't Wheeler, Scheifele, or Morrissey, it's Hellebuyck*. Always easy to target the big names despite the fact it's a team sport and this team just isn't playing well in most phases of its collective game. That falls at the feet of every player and every coach.

Best to just ignore the occasional troll who wanders into this thread to crap on the Jets when they struggle. Rotting, low-hanging fruit is their preferred sustenance as they apply their clown makeup and defile threads.

* despite the analytics showing he's still performing well in spite of the issues plaguing the Jets: https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm (https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm) (but trolls don't do well with facts, as we all know)

Anyway, tall order ahead look at tonight's matchup with the back-to-back champs. Looks like Pionk and Toninato are out, with Brooks taking Toninato's spot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 08, 2022, 06:07:06 PM
If it isn't Wheeler, Scheifele, or Morrissey, it's Hellebuyck*. Always easy to target the big names despite the fact it's a team sport and this team just isn't playing well in most phases of its collective game. That falls at the feet of every player and every coach.

Best to just ignore the occasional troll who wanders into this thread to crap on the Jets when they struggle. Rotting, low-hanging fruit is their preferred sustenance as they apply their clown makeup and defile threads.

* despite the analytics showing he's still performing well in spite of the issues plaguing the Jets: https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm (https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm) (but trolls don't do well with facts, as we all know)

Anyway, tall order ahead look at tonight's matchup with the back-to-back champs. Looks like Pionk and Toninato are out, with Brooks taking Toninato's spot.


Nicely said. Look at Oilers and all there very highly paid talent. There on another losing streak.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 08, 2022, 06:59:28 PM
If there was a logical replacement for CH37, you could entertain the idea of trading him.  Comrie is not, for sure.  Berdin is still an unknown, but has potential (too bad we can't get a look at what he can do at the NHL level).

I've seen meme's of "check engine light" regarding CH37... with people putting tape over the light... which I find both funny and appropriate.  I really think he needs a break... before he gets broken.  With Berdin so close by, no reason we can't give him a shot as well...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 08, 2022, 07:57:16 PM
If there was a logical replacement for CH37, you could entertain the idea of trading him.  Comrie is not, for sure.  Berdin is still an unknown, but has potential (too bad we can't get a look at what he can do at the NHL level).

I've seen meme's of "check engine light" regarding CH37... with people putting tape over the light... which I find both funny and appropriate.  I really think he needs a break... before he gets broken.  With Berdin so close by, no reason we can't give him a shot as well...

Why trade a Vezina winning goalie who remains one of the major factors in this team's ability to succeed? Even if there were a replacement, netminders of this calibre are a rare commodity and it'd make the Jets immediately weaker at an crucial position. He's a franchise goaltender.

Hellebuyck is the most worked goaltender so far this season but the Jets still need him until they're actually mathematically eliminated from contention. Same as any other player on their roster.

I fully expect Comrie, Berdin, and others to see time with the big club once they're eliminated.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 09, 2022, 03:49:13 AM
Nice win by the Jets tonight. PK is really playing well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 09, 2022, 02:05:23 PM
Nice win by the Jets tonight. PK is really playing well.

But the Jets suck and Hellebuyck should be traded and nobody supports this team! :D

But seriously, what an awesome game last night. By no means a defensive masterpiece but the offense found its footing against a really stingy team.

This season is pretty much a write-off but there's reason for optimism going into 2022-23 with just a few changes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 09, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
The place was packed, so there still is a lot of interest.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 09, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
great touch honouring the Canadian women's gold medal team on IWD and letting the Ste Anne gal Laroque drop the puck.

Oh, and beating the b2b defending champs in a high-scoring game was nice too!

I'm in "just entertain me" mode now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 09, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
The place was packed, so there still is a lot of interest.

86% capacity... 12,895... not bad I guess


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 09, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
86% capacity... 12,895... not bad I guess

Considering the team has a 7% chance to make the playoffs, 86% of seats filled (or at least sold) speaks to not only the viability of this market but also that fans do care about the Jets even when they're in the midst of a bad and mostly forgettable season.

If the Bombers were in the midst of a similarly lousy campaign, I think IGF having 86% capacity for a home game would be positive.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 09, 2022, 06:46:38 PM
Considering the team has a 7% chance to make the playoffs, 86% of seats filled (or at least sold) speaks to not only the viability of this market but also that fans do care about the Jets even when they're in the midst of a bad and mostly forgettable season.

If the Bombers were in the midst of a similarly lousy campaign, I think IGF having 86% capacity for a home game would be positive.

Also, Tuesday night, which is a harder sell in any situation.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 10, 2022, 10:59:50 PM
Comrie starting tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 11, 2022, 03:29:19 AM
Solid road win. Comrie had a very good game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 11, 2022, 01:20:34 PM
Solid road win. Comrie had a very good game.

Very good.

We made it more difficult on ourselves than it needed to be, but another entertaining game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 11, 2022, 03:39:40 PM
4-0-1 in his last five.... waiting for the "Trade ch37 trolls" to start rolling out that stat...

2nd period was a crap show, no shot in the first half of the period, but the only goal.  Lucky.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 11, 2022, 03:54:29 PM
So if you talk about trading a player your a troll. I remember someone everyday talking about trading MS55.

Both goalie's played very well. They had more shots, we had better chances.





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 11, 2022, 04:26:00 PM
4-0-1 in his last five....

It'd be a more impressive record if it didn't span roughly four months.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 11, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
It'd be a more impressive record if it didn't span roughly four months.
'

But maybe shows we should get him in a hair more often.

Helle is one of, if not the most, overworked goalies in the NHL. Might be conducive to spell him a bit more often if Comrie is exceeding initial expectations.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 11, 2022, 05:15:25 PM
But maybe shows we should get him in a hair more often.

Helle is one of, if not the most, overworked goalies in the NHL. Might be conducive to spell him a bit more often if Comrie is exceeding initial expectations.

I agree. Comrie has demonstrated he's more than capable in a backup role and that he can and should be relied upon more.

Hellebuyck has been the busiest goalie in the NHL for the last five seasons: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-5-nhl-seasons-goalies-stats.html (https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-5-nhl-seasons-goalies-stats.html)

Most games played by 24 more than the next goalie (Vasilevskiy). Overworked could be an understatement but in any case, it clearly shows how important Hellebuyck is and that he's one of the best netminders in the league. The Jets are fortunate to have him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 11, 2022, 07:17:47 PM
Yes, Comrie has basically demonstrated that he can be a capable backup which we did not know to be true going into the season. Let him play more and Helle's game will get better in turn by having some rest.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 12, 2022, 03:35:42 AM
Not sure what Lowry was thinking, pulling Helli with 4:45 left in the 3rd.

I was also surprised that Lowry took NE27 off the 80/81 lines after they played so well for the short period of time they where together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 12, 2022, 02:34:29 PM
Not sure what Lowry was thinking, pulling Helli with 4:45 left in the 3rd.

I was also surprised that Lowry took NE27 off the 80/81 lines after they played so well for the short period of time they where together.

Don't mind the first thing - season's over - go with the high, risk, high reward every time.

Very surprised to see Ehlers moved after the early goal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 12, 2022, 06:54:59 PM
Quite agree on the head scratcher by Lowry - pulling HellB just under 5 minutes ? boooo
Ehlers has to be used with and should be more effective with Wheels and Scheif


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 12, 2022, 07:48:11 PM
Quite agree on the head scratcher by Lowry - pulling HellB just under 5 minutes ? boooo
Ehlers has to be used with and should be more effective with Wheels and Scheif

He played very well with 80/81 last, even if it was only for 10 minutes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 13, 2022, 12:00:53 AM
Lowry is not head coach material, IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 14, 2022, 03:10:28 AM
80/81/27 very good tonight.

Helli looked very shape tonight.

MS55 now with 22, KC80 37, PL80 24 goals.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 14, 2022, 02:44:33 PM
We got to see quite a few real nice plays by Jet players and the last goal was beautiful
Some magic happened with skilled Connor, Ehlers hooking up with Mr Determination #80.
Extremely pleased that a 4th goal didn?t get by HellB

Chevy, as many others are, is no doubt nervous bout the condition of Copp. Hopefully he isn?t going down that dark concussion journey again


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 14, 2022, 02:57:25 PM
OK, giving up a single to the Blues isn't horrible, as long as we get the 2...

But why, oh why, are MS55 and BW26 on the ice in the final minutes with us ahead?  Is this NOT the definition of what shutdown lines are for?  We should be treating it as a PK with an extra forward...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 14, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
Well let's see one , Lowry is not a head coach. Two, we only have one really shut down line which is 9/17/71 and 9 was out of the game. After 9/17 our best defensive forwards are 81/80/21/25. But we also have to look at who are D men are out there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 14, 2022, 03:36:46 PM
Well let's see one , Lowry is not a head coach. Two, we only have one really shut down line which is 9/17/71 and 9 was out of the game. After 9/17 our best defensive forwards are 81/80/21/25. But we also have to look at who are D men are out there.


There is one player that has big concerns with 200ft / defensive game.  His butt should be glued to the bench late game with lead.  Sure, 9 was out.  But we still have a lot of defensive minded players, no reason you can't roll 2 lines of de oriented forwards for the last 3 minutes with a lead. 

As to which Dmen, again, no reason you can't roll 2 pairs there as well...  and use your darned timeout...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 14, 2022, 04:10:14 PM
I don't agree that we have a lot of D mind forwards. Our 4th line last year was much better in our D zone. However I agree run two line and 2 sets of D men for the last 3 minutes. However this comes back to coaching.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 15, 2022, 02:25:33 PM
I don't agree that we have a lot of D mind forwards. Our 4th line last year was much better in our D zone. However I agree run two line and 2 sets of D men for the last 3 minutes. However this comes back to coaching.

We have at least 6 more d oriented than MS55, and/or faster than BW26 was my point...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 16, 2022, 03:09:25 AM
Very solid win for the Jets. 26 is really playing well right now. Seems to be healthy and has his speed back.

One weak goal, but other then that Helli was solid again tonight.

Nice to see Al17 scoring again. Love the way this guy plays.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 16, 2022, 03:07:12 PM
Much as this late run give them a shot at playoffs, we are NOT a buyer at the deadline.  Might make sense to hold on to PS25 and AC9 as "own rentals", unless something significant is offered.  We have more than enough depth to replace them, especially once CP91 gets back...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 16, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
The Jets need a couple of pieces if they want to do anything in the playoffs. Big Ben mite be a good addition to our D.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 16, 2022, 05:19:30 PM
The Jets need a couple of pieces if they want to do anything in the playoffs. Big Ben mite be a good addition to our D.

We're not going to do anything in the play-offs and it would be a waste of resources to attempt to pretend otherwise.

Did you see what Daryl Sutter had to say about the last wild card spot?

"A waste of 8 days".


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 16, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
Despite the 7-3 score, found the game was definitely won by our players having the hockey gods on their side tonight.
Witnessed how Vegas was using the stretch pass, at times as short as just over their blueline or further, to consistently get out of their end
In contrast ..... Vegas cut off many, many attempts to get out of our end and possession was a difficult chore for our Jets last night.
Our Jet team was not fierce in their cycling on a very consistent basis. Though we outhit them we didn't control much of the play.

HellB was very strong positionally and that was so important ..... as the Vegas team liked to shoot, get the puck again and shoot.
Yet ...... suddenly we got, or made, the chances and the puck found the inch or two opening. Witness Ehlers, Stanley, Wheeler and Connor's goals
HOORAY ...... we scored often and that was without bringing a good "A or even a B" game.

Along with HellB, Lowry (great SHG) was strong with 11 hits, Stanley and Schmidt perhaps had their best ice time together and battled hard.

Chevy please, please .....  find a "rental" vet or two to replace a couple of our low 6 players who are not battle savvy  


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 18, 2022, 03:22:37 PM
P. Bergeron is not expected in the lineup tonight for Boston ?? great news for Jets

Wonder why Heinola gets termed as an Emergency Loan to go up with Jets yesterday


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 19, 2022, 03:17:27 AM
Your not going to win to many games getting out shot 22-4 in a period. Great push in the 3rd. period , but you have to play 60 minutes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 19, 2022, 09:16:02 AM
Second period was indeed pathetic to watch and the score flattered the Jets

The comeback to get the tie in the 3rd was terrific and the team was really taking it to the Bruins ??
??. but suddenly Dillon has a brain cramp and despite time to pause and make a good decision,
he seemingly panics and flips the puck over the glass and gets a horrible penalty.
Within that penalty Bruins score and all but the crying was left

Ehlers or the Fly as his teammates call him, gets hauled down and awarded a Penalty shot in the 1st
However, mysteriously he decides not to use any speed while skating in for the potential goal
?????? still wondering why

Spirit was dashed with tonights loss and sadly my alcohol cupboard was bare.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 21, 2022, 04:20:26 AM
The Jets got Mason Appleton back for draft pick

Chevy did it to improve the bottom fwds.. great addition

Now ?. is it to Be a Fact or completely a Fictional reason.
1. Is this in anticipation of Copp being traded and Appleton is a helpful fill

2. Is it perhaps Copp won?t be trade cuz Lowry is getting sick from Covid

          Hmmm !


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 21, 2022, 11:04:57 AM
We wouldn't let Lowry's temporary illness affect a trade.

They have a price (whatever it is) that they are willing to trade away 19 games of Copp for.

Is Appleton a FA?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 01:57:12 PM
Love getting Apps back. Hard working, RW, that can kill penalties, and can play physical.

NB28 for a 7th round pick, about the best we could have done with NB28.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 21, 2022, 02:32:49 PM
Jets moved Little?s contract to Arizona as well as a previous draft pick Smith, who apparently wouldn?t sign with the Jets ??. Chevy got a 4th round back
Appleton will become a n RFA


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 04:44:50 PM
Little will never play again, which really to bad. However it's nice to this issue come to end for the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 05:49:07 PM
Copp to the Rangers with 12 minutes left?????????


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 06:01:33 PM
Trade deadline over. Rangers picked up Motte, still no word on Copp.

Copp has been traded to the Rangers. Sounds like picks and a prospect.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 06:23:55 PM
I like Zach Sanford size. A big RW 6'4"  206 , 27 years old.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 21, 2022, 06:33:27 PM
Big size in Sanford  indeed and certainly a good banger on the boards
Additions help overall balance
Hopefully Lafrienierre comes back from Rangers ???.. yeah big fantasy

Turned out the Jets got both Ranger 2nd rd pick with condiments plus an okay prospect plus a 5th rd pick while giving up Copp and a 6th rd pick ??.. not bad Chevy, not bad

Now hopefully Lowry only needs to miss the Vegas game

Note: Nogier went to the Kings for a dman prospect


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 21, 2022, 10:31:29 PM
I like Zach Sanford size. A big RW 6'4"  206 , 27 years old.

Nice add, IMO. Appleton back here was also a pleasant surprise.

The return for Copp seems pretty good at first glance. Barron seems like a decent depth piece but he's got very little NHL experience; the draft picks are good.

More or less what was to be expected with the Jets on the outside looking in. With Lowry out and the Jets' inability to be consistent, I fully expect no playoffs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 22, 2022, 07:05:54 AM
Nice add, IMO. Appleton back here was also a pleasant surprise.

The return for Copp seems pretty good at first glance. Barron seems like a decent depth piece but he's got very little NHL experience; the draft picks are good.

More or less what was to be expected with the Jets on the outside looking in. With Lowry out and the Jets' inability to be consistent, I fully expect no playoffs.

Yes, we did get bigger and a little more physical. Sanford 6'4" 206, Barron is 6'4" 220, App's is 6'2" 200. Also App's and Sanford both shoot RW. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 22, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Sad to see Copp go, will be interesting to see if anyone slides into the Copp/Lowery dynamic as shutdown / PK wizards. 

Bigger, more edge, always a good thing. 

I wonder what offers we were made for PS25.  I'm guessing no one stepped up for him, and Chevy kept him as an "own rental" rather than getting a small return (3rd or 4th round pick(s)).  Guessing he was an option to move if there was other action that created a cap crunch, but I guess that never became an issue.

Sad that Bryan Little finishes his career as not a Jet on a purely bookkeeping move, not sure how picking up millions of dollars of off cap salary is worth a guy that has never played a second of pro hockey, but hey, AZ must like him.  At 23, he will step right in if they can sign him.  Nice of Little to waive his NT clause... wonder if there are different tax laws in AZ that make it beneficial for him to get paid from there...  Win/win.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 22, 2022, 02:41:05 PM
Sad to see Copp go, will be interesting to see if anyone slides into the Copp/Lowery dynamic as shutdown / PK wizards. 

Bigger, more edge, always a good thing. 

I wonder what offers we were made for PS25.  I'm guessing no one stepped up for him, and Chevy kept him as an "own rental" rather than getting a small return (3rd or 4th round pick(s)).  Guessing he was an option to move if there was other action that created a cap crunch, but I guess that never became an issue.

Sad that Bryan Little finishes his career as not a Jet on a purely bookkeeping move, not sure how picking up millions of dollars of off cap salary is worth a guy that has never played a second of pro hockey, but hey, AZ must like him.  At 23, he will step right in if they can sign him.  Nice of Little to waive his NT clause... wonder if there are different tax laws in AZ that make it beneficial for him to get paid from there...  Win/win.

Chevy said he wasn't even considering trading Stastny.

It leads me to think he wants Stas to stick around as a versatile vet to lead in the younger guys and finish his career off with us. I'm not opposed.

Love the Copp deal. Big return. I thought we might only get a second rounder but we got what could turn into a first, a second, a fifth, and a player. Awesome. I really didn't think UFA Copp would sign with us in the summer anyway.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 22, 2022, 02:59:20 PM
I was hoping we'd get a return for Stas, but accept that his resence is more benefial than whatever possible return we might get. We also don't have the bodies to replace him, so it's entirely possible he's back next season as well.

Copp return was good! I never saw him as more than a third liner and his return might become more than that, despite the fact we couldn't keep him anyway.

Moving the Little contract was a nice move too that gives us a tiny bit of flexibility.

Not a bad deadline - considering wherewe are.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 23, 2022, 02:54:40 AM
Well Helli was amazing tonight. Really like what I saw out of Sanford. Big guy that is good at controlling the puck.

4 shots in the first period, really have to be better. Also to many guys trying to make the perfect pass or play. Shot the puck.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 23, 2022, 04:49:11 AM
Turnovers should have downed the Jets numerous, numerous times but HellB was wonderful



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 23, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
Hellebuyck carried the team to victory last night.

Imagine thinking the Jets would be better without him.  :-\


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 23, 2022, 03:56:07 PM
What a cringe fest for the first bit... 4 shots in period one.. ouch.

New blood, but too much shuffling. 

Helle showed up, hope he keeps this up.  Right time to get hot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 24, 2022, 03:06:40 PM
Will Comrie start tonight ?? my guess is yes
Tomorrow HellB can shine against Laine?s shot


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 24, 2022, 04:22:15 PM
Will Comrie start tonight ?? my guess is yes
Tomorrow HellB can shine against Laine?s shot

Most media is guessing Helle wil start both and We'll see Comrie on Sunday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 24, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
But Helle is definitely starting tonight


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 24, 2022, 05:24:22 PM
Most media is guessing Helle wil start both and We'll see Comrie on Sunday.

I'm fine with riding our best players as hard as possible for as long as we're in the playoff mix.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 24, 2022, 05:50:37 PM
I'm fine with riding our best players as hard as possible for as long as we're in the playoff mix.

Hard to sit him tonight coming off his last game. The three games in four night requires him to start two of them, at least. Might as well be the first two.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 24, 2022, 06:57:56 PM
Hard to sit him tonight coming off his last game. The three games in four night requires him to start two of them, at least. Might as well be the first two.

Yeah, and we need to beat what should be a lesser team on paper. We're in nooooooo position to be taking any team likely.

My point being, if we had been in a playoff spot all year and it wouldn't kill us to take any sort of risk, we'd be playing Comrie tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 24, 2022, 07:11:15 PM
Yeah, and we need to beat what should be a lesser team on paper. We're in nooooooo position to be taking any team likely.

My point being, if we had been in a playoff spot all year and it wouldn't kill us to take any sort of risk, we'd be playing Comrie tonight.

Jets need to win the next four games to keep their playoff hopes alive. The margin for error is razor thin at this point.

Running Hellebuyck ragged down the stretch should be avoided, so I hope Comrie plays tomorrow if Hellebuyck gets the start tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 25, 2022, 01:19:46 PM
And that should likely do it for the Jets. What a brutal collapse in the third.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 25, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
Big mistake starting CH37 again... I know... he was coming off a hot game, but he must have been drained after that performance, and OTT is a team that Comrie should have been able to hold up against.  With 4 games in 6 days, this was the logical one for CH37 to sit.

In my opinion.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 25, 2022, 03:00:37 PM
Big mistake starting CH37 again... I know... he was coming off a hot game, but he must have been drained after that performance, and OTT is a team that Comrie should have been able to hold up against.  With 4 games in 6 days, this was the logical one for CH37 to sit.

In my opinion.

I don't think that's the reason we lost.

Whole team looked like garbage the whole game - as we often do when we have the opprtunity to gain some ground.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 25, 2022, 04:01:08 PM
I don't think that's the reason we lost.

Whole team looked like garbage the whole game - as we often do when we have the opprtunity to gain some ground.

You're absolutely right.

The Jets had an opportunity to keep their playoff hopes alive against an opponent already in "next season" mode. They came out flat, sluggish, and seemingly disinterested, with a pretty ugly display on home ice.

Hellebuyck getting the start isn't why they lost.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 25, 2022, 05:55:59 PM
Helli was rock solid at 1-1. 64 makes a big mistake which turns into a 2 on1. Then 88 isn't taking the body in front of the net on another one. That goal was probably the only ? goal for the night. But with that said, I would have rested Helli and started him tonight. We have a soft defense and are to inconsistent.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 25, 2022, 06:24:56 PM
Got to admire how well planned out the coaches had the Sens following  ...... jam their blue line and neutral zone.
So frustrating watching our fwds struggle to get, as a unit, over the Sens blue line ..... Del Zotto comes up from the minors and looks great

With Lowry back ...... hopefully, Harkins plays with he and Appleton ....... suggesting Stats plays down on 4th line



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 25, 2022, 10:41:57 PM
CH37 might not have been the *reason* we lost, but he surely wasn't the same goaler that was between the pipes the previous game.  OTT is a weak team, 30th in the league in scoring.  EC1 should have been tapped for the start on that basis alone.  And had he been in net, I'm not sure the same defensive lapses happen, as the team seems to play differently in front of him. 

Columbus has some sharp shooters, and it would have been a better challenge for CH37, and let ECC1 face the 'yotes...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 26, 2022, 03:03:00 AM
Well EC1 had another good game. 26/80/81 looked good tonight, had a great opening shift of the game.

Really like the line of 13/17/22, this line played well all night. Sanford is a guy with a long reach that can control the puck.

Really like the way 21 is playing. Very solid on PK, and really drives our 4th line.

64 making another bad decision tonight, growing pains with young players.

 If the ref calls the penalty on the Ottawa player, probably 44 doesn't retaliate, and the empty net goal counts. At the very least should have been to penalties one on both players. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 26, 2022, 07:33:51 PM
Nice victory and kudos to Comrie indeed
Stanley had a bad give away in first, 2 in the 2nd and bad act in 3rd. Barely played over 13 minutes


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 26, 2022, 10:10:57 PM
Nice victory and kudos to Comrie indeed
Stanley had a bad give away in first, 2 in the 2nd and bad act in 3rd. Barely played over 13 minutes

I think that's why NB28 was playing ahead of him before NB28 got injured and then was traded. 64 he is young, and needs to learn.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 26, 2022, 11:22:44 PM
Stanley still has some work to do in terms of his development. I think better coaching would help his cause.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 28, 2022, 05:25:15 AM
WOWEE ?? nail biter for quite some time ?? then 55 gets a clean breakaway & a victory  goal

My oh my how the goalies were both so great to watch


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 28, 2022, 12:17:58 PM
Solid goalie duel last night. Scheifele's GWG was a beauty.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 28, 2022, 04:36:06 PM
I like the way the 81/80/26 has started the last two games. Pressures from the opening face-off.

Give 13/17/22 another game or two and this is going to be very good third line for us.

Coach L. Our 1st. PP has moved the puck very well, but not scoring. How about putting the 2nd. unit out there to start the PP.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 28, 2022, 05:02:31 PM
So, 6 games against non playoff teams, 9 against playoff teams... we need to go 10-4-1 to make the playoffs...

If they do, wanna bet its something like 3-3 vs. non playoff teams, and 6-1-1 against playoff teams? 

This team is going to drive me crazy...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 28, 2022, 05:26:35 PM
So, 6 games against non playoff teams, 9 against playoff teams... we need to go 10-4-1 to make the playoffs...

If they do, wanna bet its something like 3-3 vs. non playoff teams, and 6-1-1 against playoff teams? 

This team is going to drive me crazy...

As disappointing as they've been, thanks to numerous other teams having the same consistency problems, we are still talking playoffs which means it's interesting even though we ought to be out by now. I'd love it if that could be the case for these last 5 weeks even though I seriously doubt we can squeak in, I just want a reason to watch.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 28, 2022, 06:14:25 PM
So, 6 games against non playoff teams, 9 against playoff teams... we need to go 10-4-1 to make the playoffs...

If they do, wanna bet its something like 3-3 vs. non playoff teams, and 6-1-1 against playoff teams? 

This team is going to drive me crazy...

Going to...? You mean they haven't already? ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 30, 2022, 03:50:00 PM
BAD news ......... Connor & Schmidt were placed in Covid protocol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 30, 2022, 04:43:45 PM
BAD news ......... Connor & Schmidt were placed in Covid protocol

Crappy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 30, 2022, 06:45:24 PM
Brutal. What a cursed season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 31, 2022, 12:13:06 AM
BAD news ......... Connor & Schmidt were placed in Covid protocol

Jets are basically a very good AHL team now...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 31, 2022, 02:50:34 AM
Good road win over a young team that has had a very good March.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 31, 2022, 06:39:26 PM
Jets 11-4-1 the last 16. Big game tonight. Simmons in for the leaf's, expect to see a Stanley/Simmons fight tonight. AM34 going for goal #50 tonight also. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 01, 2022, 02:38:55 AM
Good start, terrible 2nd. period, and far to many penalties. EC1 looked pretty average tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 01, 2022, 12:17:17 PM
Good start, terrible 2nd. period, and far to many penalties. EC1 looked pretty average tonight.

Special teams let 'em down. Ugly game last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 01, 2022, 02:49:26 PM
A shorty, 4 PP and an empty netter... 2 of 7 goals 5 on 5... yeah, special teams are crap.  Maybe time to trade for a new kicker.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 02, 2022, 09:00:51 PM
Time for the Jet players to command the boards, force the turnovers and finish the Kings by mid 2nd.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 02, 2022, 11:25:39 PM
Time for the Jet players to command the boards, force the turnovers and finish the Kings by mid 2nd.

Shots are 27-9 in favor of the kings...12:00 left in the 2nd. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on April 03, 2022, 04:59:35 PM
Stick a fork in it. This version of the Jets should be over! All new Coaches, Fefe, others need to go!

Untouchables are Connor Dubois Ehlers Morrisey Helleboi

The rest can be traded for assets


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 03, 2022, 05:58:59 PM
Yup, no commanding on the boards took place and certainly we looked done after first.

Other teams are grabbing wins and now highly unlikely a wild card spot is happening


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 03, 2022, 10:53:30 PM
On to next season. Time for some major changes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 04, 2022, 02:35:14 AM
Does Chevy keep his job?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 04, 2022, 12:10:38 PM
Does Chevy keep his job?

I think he does but he's on thin ice.

The first major change should be coaching staff, IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 04, 2022, 02:12:55 PM
I think he does but he's on thin ice.

The first major change should be coaching staff, IMO.

Makes no sense... if you are making a coaching change and considering a GM change, then you make the GM change and let him decide the new coach....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 04, 2022, 03:47:22 PM
Makes no sense... if you are making a coaching change and considering a GM change, then you make the GM change and let him decide the new coach....

Sure it does. You can absolutely do one without doing the other. Where does it say an organization has to fire both at once? And where has there been any mention TNSE is considering firing the GM? All indications presently point to Cheveldayoff being safe in his role.

He has to wear his share of the blame but it's not like the roster is devoid of talent to the point this team continues to struggle the way it has, with this season's consistent underperforming in particular. It's been three seasons of roughly the same issues plaguing the Jets and those were magnified by recent struggles despite the additions made to the roster. To me, that speaks to a coaching issue, particularly with defensive play and special teams.

There is sufficient talent and depth within this organization for the team to be a playoff competitor at the very least.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 04, 2022, 05:59:42 PM
Sure it does. You can absolutely do one without doing the other. Where does it say an organization has to fire both at once? And where has there been any mention TNSE is considering firing the GM? All indications presently point to Cheveldayoff being safe in his role.

He has to wear his share of the blame but it's not like the roster is devoid of talent to the point this team continues to struggle the way it has, with this season's consistent underperforming in particular. It's been three seasons of roughly the same issues plaguing the Jets and those were magnified by recent struggles despite the additions made to the roster. To me, that speaks to a coaching issue, particularly with defensive play and special teams.

There is sufficient talent and depth within this organization for the team to be a playoff competitor at the very least.

Yeah, just look at a team like Calgary. Have been great on paper for years and were TERRIBLE last year. They made essentially no changes and are killing it this year. Sometimes nothing is fundamentally wrong and you just need to hit refresh on the season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 05, 2022, 12:45:41 PM
Is it too late to sell?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 06, 2022, 07:53:53 PM
Schmidt draws back in while Heinola joins Brooks in the Press box

Watched Wings last night squeak out a win despite being outshot big time ....... they can be beaten by 4 on any night but HellB needs to be sharp


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 06, 2022, 08:47:42 PM
It's next season territory, so might as well just have fun with the remaining games.

I don't understand why Heinola sits. He needs to play.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 06, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
It's next season territory, so might as well just have fun with the remaining games.

I don't understand why Heinola sits. He needs to play.

He does. He needs as much work as we can get at the NHL level.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 02:31:43 AM
Annnnnd....





the season is over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 07, 2022, 02:58:29 AM
Helli with another very strong game tonight.

17/22 are playing well together, doesn't matter who you throw in there with them.

Lowry pulling the goalie with over 3 minutes left in a one goal game????

Well now it's the Moose and the Ice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 07, 2022, 04:11:06 AM
Not officially out of the race but ??.. I?ve gotta be an adult about this

Is it to early for our GM to be given the pink slip


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 07, 2022, 12:42:03 PM
Not officially out of the race but ??.. I?ve gotta be an adult about this

Is it to early for our GM to be given the pink slip

I don't know what happens to Chevy, but right now his job is to take Lowry aside and tell him the season is over, start playing the young guys.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
I'm not saying we *have* to bloe it up, but we have to blow it up.

Clean house. 

Chevy, the entire coaching staff, and even MS55 / BW26...

Find an exciting young GM, a quality coach that he can work with, and start a new page. 

Fire Chevy now, to allow for maximum time to evaluate the current roster and prepare for the draft...

Latest you can wait to fire Chevy is mathematical elimination day.  Any longer and you are losing valuable time in the retool.

Or, hear me out, Maurice calls Chevy and says "Hey, bud.  Do the right thing, I didn't resign to let you continue to mess up the team."



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 07, 2022, 02:28:42 PM
I'm not saying we *have* to bloe it up, but we have to blow it up.

Clean house. 

Chevy, the entire coaching staff, and even MS55 / BW26...

Find an exciting young GM, a quality coach that he can work with, and start a new page. 

Fire Chevy now, to allow for maximum time to evaluate the current roster and prepare for the draft...

Latest you can wait to fire Chevy is mathematical elimination day.  Any longer and you are losing valuable time in the retool.

Or, hear me out, Maurice calls Chevy and says "Hey, bud.  Do the right thing, I didn't resign to let you continue to mess up the team."



I see we are back to MS55 again. Wasn't he the only guy that scored last night. Not sure anyone is going to take BW26 at 8.2M and 37 years old.

Blowing up the front office and coaching staff I am all for.

55/26 combined 120 points this year. Have to find a couple of player to replace that.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 07, 2022, 03:57:11 PM
I see we are back to MS55 again. Wasn't he the only guy that scored last night. Not sure anyone is going to take BW26 at 8.2M and 37 years old.

Blowing up the front office and coaching staff I am all for.

55/26 combined 120 points this year. Have to find a couple of player to replace that.



It's honestly not just aards.

Media guys have been saying the same thing. Find a way to move on unless he goes into his exit interview saying he plans on being a whole lot different next season.

Of course, you hire a new coach and he may want to keep Schief and hopefully just have a way to get more out of him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 07, 2022, 04:08:56 PM
It's honestly not just aards.

Media guys have been saying the same thing. Find a way to move on unless he goes into his exit interview saying he plans on being a whole lot different next season.

Of course, you hire a new coach and he may want to keep Schief and hopefully just have a way to get more out of him.


I am okay moving both of these guys if you can replace them, with point a game players. 55 at 6M per and a point a game is still a pretty good value and second highest on the team in scoring. Replacing a point a game player at 6M is pretty tough. 55 also has a m-no move contract. 26 has a no move. However they both mite be fed up and want to leave.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 07, 2022, 04:12:42 PM
You're not replacing 55's points at 6M. They would have to feel very strongly that his lack of effort/defensive play is hurting the team more than the points are helping.

26 is staying no matter what - his contract is unmovable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 07, 2022, 04:40:47 PM
Pl80 RFA 5M
Apps RFA 9K
ES71 RFA 750K
JH12 RFA 725K

SP25  UFA  3.75M
Sanford  UFA 2M.
Brooks UFA  725K

I am sad that we are locked into this D. And 88 has a M-NTC at 6m a year.

I do like what I am seeing from Morgan Barron. Good size and speed, works hard.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 04:59:46 PM
MS55 and BW26 make sense to move as a package... MS55 is cheap, BW26 is too expensive, together they are OK.

I don't know enough about the rest of the league, but the perfect trading partner would be someone who was close this year, but is losing a veteran leader or two to retirement or UFA "want to go elsewhere".

Yes, replacing point a game players is tough.  But until a players gets MS55's level of ice time, they will not get a point a game.  I always find it amusing when players with huge ice time get lauded for their point totals...  "points per game" should be less important than "points per minute" or "points per 60 minutes gameplay"...

A new GM and coach coming in being handed the current C and A are basically handcuffed to continue the situation.  Freeing them of MS55 adn BW26 and giving some of our exciting new players, and solid leaders a chance to step up into the vacuum left will give us a much brighter future, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 07, 2022, 08:55:18 PM
You're not replacing 55's points at 6M. They would have to feel very strongly that his lack of effort/defensive play is hurting the team more than the points are helping.

26 is staying no matter what - his contract is unmovable.

This.

Trying to get rid of Scheifele is such a ridiculously short-sighted suggestion. Wheeler and that elephant of a contract aren't going anywhere, either.

The crusty fanboys, part-time/fair-weather supporters, and wannabe local sports writers whose existence seems to revolve around this team are being irrational and making statements based purely on anecdotes, hyperbole, and emotion. Yeah, this season has been an abject failure but knee jerk reactions aren't a solution.

Start with coaching and go from there. Moving your 1C is a stupid idea. Full stop.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 10:32:28 PM
This.

Trying to get rid of Scheifele is such a ridiculously short-sighted suggestion. Wheeler and that elephant of a contract aren't going anywhere, either.

The crusty fanboys, part-time/fair-weather supporters, and wannabe local sports writers whose existence seems to revolve around this team are being irrational and making statements based purely on anecdotes, hyperbole, and emotion. Yeah, this season has been an abject failure but knee jerk reactions aren't a solution.

Start with coaching and go from there. Moving your 1C is a stupid idea. Full stop.

No one wants to move our #1C, we need to sign PLD80 long term.  We're talking MS55...

With CP91 and AL17 and a host of 4th liners, your are set up the middle with PLD80 as your #1C, and you can put the "C" on him as well.

Don't get me wrong, MS55 is a great player, and will be missed.  But the only way you deal BW26 is to package the two, and in doing so, you get younger, faster and completely change the leadership structure, giving PLD80 and KC81 the "C" and "A" they deserve along with JM44 wearing an "A".

Moving over $14mil in cap space and opening the team up for the future, just makes sense.  We are not 1 or 2 years from being a top team, missing out on that time to develop our deep talent pool (the Moose are the best team in the AHL, and could probably beat a few NHL teams... ) by bringing them to the NHL level.

Addition by subtraction.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 02:40:32 AM
MS55 and PL80 are 1 and 1A. First time in a long time this team has had two very good centers. Both have a different skill set. I am not trading either because AL17 is a great third line C. and I am not sure CP91 is ready for the roll of #2 C over the course of a 80 schedule.

Our bottom 6 forwards are just that. Sanford at 2M mite not be with us next year. KV93 did nothing, JH12 still can see him playing top 6, CP91 will play on the right of either 55 or 80 next year. ES71 played well at times but inconsistent, DT21 excellent on PK, can play either 3rd. or 4th line C. I could see MB36 playing on the left side of AL17. Big guy at 6-4, 220, good speed and love to hit.

Want to move some salary, MS88/6M.  Plays soft, gives up the puck a lot, can't clear the front of the net.  With PS25, AC9, and NB28, that's 8-8.5M off the books for next year.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 08, 2022, 01:32:44 PM
Don't get me wrong, MS55 is a great player, and will be missed.  But the only way you deal BW26 is to package the two, and in doing so, you get younger, faster and completely change the leadership structure, giving PLD80 and KC81 the "C" and "A" they deserve along with JM44 wearing an "A".

Moving over $14mil in cap space

26 is not being traded. At all. And you say why, teams aren't bringing on 14M of cap space for two years of a bloated contract. It just isn't going to happen.

MS55 and PL80 are 1 and 1A. First time in a long time this team has had two very good centers. Both have a different skill set. I am not trading either because AL17 is a great third line C. and I am not sure CP91 is ready for the roll of #2 C over the course of a 80 schedule.

17 is a great 4th line centre. We do not get enough secondary scoring from our 3rd and 4th lines.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 08, 2022, 03:02:42 PM
26 is not being traded. At all. And you say why, teams aren't bringing on 14M of cap space for two years of a bloated contract. It just isn't going to happen.

17 is a great 4th line centre. We do not get enough secondary scoring from our 3rd and 4th lines.

BW26 is not getting tradfed without witholding half his salary, unless you give them something else... like a top line C in MS55.  That's why my concept is to trade them as a package, you will get a return, you will get cap relief, and you will open up for new leadership.  With both having no trade aspects, moving them as a pair also helps them make that decision to waive, because the only team trading for them is a team that is ready to win. 

Win, win situation...

Does the perfect trading partner exist out there?  We may see at or before the draft...  if I am a new GM coming it, first move I make.  Put *MY* mark on the team.  Tells the team and the league we are not afraid of the big move, and that we expect all our players to step up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 08, 2022, 04:36:38 PM
No one wants to move our #1C, we need to sign PLD80 long term.  We're talking MS55...

What an absurd opening statement with which to start off another farcical narrative. And you probably thought it was some clever retort, too.

Scheifele is the team's top centre with one of the most friendly contracts in the league. Dubois is a close second and fits in perfectly at 2C right now; re-signing him is a top priority and that'll happen (he has arbitration rights). Both are assets on this team in their respective spots and that's a formidable 1-2 in the team's top 6. That isn't up for debate - at all. You don't improve the team by getting rid of centre depth, especially due to one "bad" season. I use bad very, very loosely because Scheifele has still produced at his usual pace.

You make it sound like Scheifele and Wheeler are the problematic players holding back this team, despite their production (2nd and 3rd in team scoring). So, your suggestion is to trade them to somehow improve the roster. That's pure nonsense and addition by subtraction does not apply in this case. The Jets would be immediately negotiating from a disadvantageous position over such a garbage proposal like a package deal where the Jets are forced to retain salary (and likely a ton of it) to make it work. Which is to say nothing about the inanity of claiming they'll waive their respective contract clauses by moving them as a pair. How absurd. Why would they?

You're basically just repeating the same tired, erratic talking points of the local sports writers who share their shortsighted, kneejerked ignorance on websites and Twitter - and putting your own outlandish spin on it, seemingly for nothing more than the sake of discussion. There's nothing realistic or beneficial regarding any of it, though.

Also: don't lie and say Scheifele's great when you've said he's redundant, he stinks, and that he's soft at earlier points this season. You don't like him and that's hindering your ability to look at things rationally and objectively.

I'll give you credit for at least being consistent, as this proposed idea tracks with other suggestions you've made, such as trading Hellebuyck* and keeping Copp and promoting him to 2C. And that's just this season.

* in fairness, you did back up on that one


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
26 is not being traded. At all. And you say why, teams aren't bringing on 14M of cap space for two years of a bloated contract. It just isn't going to happen.

17 is a great 4th line centre. We do not get enough secondary scoring from our 3rd and 4th lines.

True I have been saying that all year. 3rd and 4th. haven't been good this year. But I am not hanging that on AL17, get someone other then KV93, JH12, AB77, playing with him on a regular basis.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 08, 2022, 05:49:31 PM
Knee jerk reactions all up in here when all we need is a new coach.

That's it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 05:51:19 PM
Knee jerk reactions all up in here when all we need is a new coach.

That's it.

Yup, like you said follow Calgary's lead. A couple of small moves mite do the trick.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 08, 2022, 07:39:22 PM
What an absurd opening statement with which to start off another farcical narrative. And you probably thought it was some clever retort, too.

Scheifele is the team's top centre with one of the most friendly contracts in the league. Dubois is a close second and fits in perfectly at 2C right now; re-signing him is a top priority and that'll happen (he has arbitration rights). Both are assets on this team in their respective spots and that's a formidable 1-2 in the team's top 6. That isn't up for debate - at all. You don't improve the team by getting rid of centre depth, especially due to one "bad" season. I use bad very, very loosely because Scheifele has still produced at his usual pace.

You make it sound like Scheifele and Wheeler are the problematic players holding back this team, despite their production (2nd and 3rd in team scoring). So, your suggestion is to trade them to somehow improve the roster. That's pure nonsense and addition by subtraction does not apply in this case. The Jets would be immediately negotiating from a disadvantageous position over such a garbage proposal like a package deal where the Jets are forced to retain salary (and likely a ton of it) to make it work. Which is to say nothing about the inanity of claiming they'll waive their respective contract clauses by moving them as a pair. How absurd. Why would they?

You're basically just repeating the same tired, erratic talking points of the local sports writers who share their shortsighted, kneejerked ignorance on websites and Twitter - and putting your own outlandish spin on it, seemingly for nothing more than the sake of discussion. There's nothing realistic or beneficial regarding any of it, though.

Also: don't lie and say Scheifele's great when you've said he's redundant, he stinks, and that he's soft at earlier points this season. You don't like him and that's hindering your ability to look at things rationally and objectively.

I'll give you credit for at least being consistent, as this proposed idea tracks with other suggestions you've made, such as trading Hellebuyck* and keeping Copp and promoting him to 2C. And that's just this season.

* in fairness, you did back up on that one

MS55 is -20, PLD80 is -2.  I know, +/- is a dumb stat, but it is an illustration of a player's offence vs. his defence. 

Your #1C needs to handle the opponents as much as he needs to produce points.  Yes, MS55 is a liability right now, regardless his point production. 

For comparison, BW26 is -9, AL19 is +3, CP91 +1, KC81 +0, NE27 +10

Building a team around +/- is a fools errand, I know... but ignoring it isn't smart either...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
And I think if you add up NE27, AL17, and CP91 points there points less then MS55.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 08, 2022, 09:28:18 PM
And I think if you add up NE27, AL17, and CP91 points there points less then MS55.

They actually have 1 more point... but what is your point there?

On a team that has a goal differential of -4, to be -20 is tough.  Chicago has a goal differential of -61, yet Toews is only -9...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 10:32:59 PM
They actually have 1 more point... but what is your point there?

On a team that has a goal differential of -4, to be -20 is tough.  Chicago has a goal differential of -61, yet Toews is only -9...

The point is MS55 is a point a game C, CP91 and AL17 are no where close to that. Regardless of there +/-. And your thinking there going to replace MS55 with one of these guys.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 02:57:41 AM
Excellent game tonight. Would have been nice to win that one, but one mistake and they made us pay.

MS55 showed again tonight why this team needs him.

NE27 was all over the ice tonight and used his speed like he can. Felt bad for him on the OT penalty.

Love PL80 but another bad penalty tonight. If your going to be a leader, you can't take those type of penalties.

JM44 had another great game tonight. Even with the worst +/- for our D, he still is our best D man. +/- is over rated.

AL17 is just so good on the PK.

KC81, to bad he got covid, he was on fire before that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 09, 2022, 04:53:02 AM
Entertaining ?? sad ending for a determined, battling Jets players
Definitely an idiotic move by #80 ?.. agree that he has to cool his aggressiveness in the pinch

Thinking Barron might be a nice fit with Lowry & Appleton
Felt Samberg handled himself and what a nice lead pass to 55.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 04:03:48 PM
Yes, Barron is a big boy at 6' 4" 220, skates well, and love to hit, good fit with 17/22.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 09, 2022, 05:31:49 PM
MS55 is -20, PLD80 is -2.  I know, +/- is a dumb stat, but it is an illustration of a player's offence vs. his defence. 

Your #1C needs to handle the opponents as much as he needs to produce points.  Yes, MS55 is a liability right now, regardless his point production. 

For comparison, BW26 is -9, AL19 is +3, CP91 +1, KC81 +0, NE27 +10

Building a team around +/- is a fools errand, I know... but ignoring it isn't smart either...

You pretty much owned yourself here with this contradictory nonsense. +/- is a garbage stat and you proved why in those above comments by focusing solely on it. You also fail to address anything else.

The Jets surrender more goals than they score, regardless of the who's on the ice. That's a team issue, so deleting two players doesn't solve anything. On the contrary, it makes the Jets a much more inferior team offensively. You don't get better by getting rid of players who produce offense.

Addressing a team issue such as this starts with who's behind the bench. It's really that simple and Maurice spoke to that when he resigned. Lowry was a placeholder and that's evidenced by the team making the same mistakes since he took over; he's not the answer going forward. The coaching staff needs to be improved and new systems need to be implemented, and that should be the organization's top priority in the off-season. Maybe Lowry gets retained in an assistant role but he's not head coach material. The only other coach I'd consider retaining is Flaherty. The rest can be shown the door.

Excellent game tonight. Would have been nice to win that one, but one mistake and they made us pay.

MS55 showed again tonight why this team needs him.

NE27 was all over the ice tonight and used his speed like he can. Felt bad for him on the OT penalty.

Love PL80 but another bad penalty tonight. If your going to be a leader, you can't take those type of penalties.

JM44 had another great game tonight. Even with the worst +/- for our D, he still is our best D man. +/- is over rated.

AL17 is just so good on the PK.

KC81, to bad he got covid, he was on fire before that.

Agreed on all points. Dubois' lack of discipline is troubling at times. He's the only Jet who's cracked 100 PIM (the next closest is Dillon at 63).

The Jets battled hard last night. The talent is there but the consistent effort is not.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 06:23:42 PM
You pretty much owned yourself here with this contradictory nonsense. +/- is a garbage stat and you proved why in those above comments by focusing solely on it. You also fail to address anything else.

The Jets surrender more goals than they score, regardless of the who's on the ice. That's a team issue, so deleting two players doesn't solve anything. On the contrary, it makes the Jets a much more inferior team offensively. You don't get better by getting rid of players who produce offense.

Addressing a team issue such as this starts with who's behind the bench. It's really that simple and Maurice spoke to that when he resigned. Lowry was a placeholder and that's evidenced by the team making the same mistakes since he took over; he's not the answer going forward. The coaching staff needs to be improved and new systems need to be implemented, and that should be the organization's top priority in the off-season. Maybe Lowry gets retained in an assistant role but he's not head coach material. The only other coach I'd consider retaining is Flaherty. The rest can be shown the door.

Agreed on all points. Dubois' lack of discipline is troubling at times. He's the only Jet who's cracked 100 PIM (the next closest is Dillon at 63).

The Jets battled hard last night. The talent is there but the consistent effort is not.

I fell like our PP needs to get better. Teams will let you pass the puck around the outside all night long. It looks great for the fans, but at the end of the day you have to score. Our PP last night missed Bw26. Also I totally agree about our consistency. We need to play for 60 minutes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 09, 2022, 06:49:52 PM
Excellent game tonight. Would have been nice to win that one, but one mistake and they made us pay.

MS55 showed again tonight why this team needs him.

NE27 was all over the ice tonight and used his speed like he can. Felt bad for him on the OT penalty.

Love PL80 but another bad penalty tonight. If your going to be a leader, you can't take those type of penalties.

JM44 had another great game tonight. Even with the worst +/- for our D, he still is our best D man. +/- is over rated.

AL17 is just so good on the PK.

KC81, to bad he got covid, he was on fire before that.

He also gave away the puck and didn't skate back to the puck on a goal against - again.

aardvark is clearly going overboard, but his points against Scheif aren't wrong.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 07:16:50 PM
He also gave away the puck and didn't skate back to the puck on a goal against - again.

aardvark is clearly going overboard, but his points against Scheif aren't wrong.

No he is not wrong about MS55 habits. But he is wrong to think AL17 or CP91 can replace him as a top 2 C. 

JH12 is a -9 with 10 points. KV93 is a -8 with 3 points. I will take MS55 at -17 and and 69 points all day long.

You can teach a player to play D, you can't teach a play to score goals.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 11, 2022, 02:46:47 AM
Helli was excellent again tonight.

PP showed up tonight.

The line of 25/55/27 have played very well the last couple of game. To bad 55 got injured.

13/17/27 also had a strong game.

Nice to see 81 get going again. 81/80 are a force.

Nothing flashy out of 54, but he is rock steady and like to use his body.

 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 11, 2022, 03:36:49 AM
a much needed Great Victory & indeed HellB had to be terrific

Samberg is definitely holding his own out there & again liked Barron's game, while #27 the Fly has really heated up

May prove costly as #55 is already ruled out of the game vs the Habs

Unfortunately the Stars won again


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 12:18:22 PM
I fell like our PP needs to get better. Teams will let you pass the puck around the outside all night long. It looks great for the fans, but at the end of the day you have to score. Our PP last night missed Bw26. Also I totally agree about our consistency. We need to play for 60 minutes.

Special teams as a whole needs to be improved. That's on coaching/system, IMO.

He also gave away the puck and didn't skate back to the puck on a goal against - again.

aardvark is clearly going overboard, but his points against Scheif aren't wrong.

The only point that's accurate is his defensive play and using +/- to prop up the argument is foolish at best. The rest is just emotionally fueled conjecture at best.

That singular point is still not reason enough to justify moving him or asserting Dubois is the better centre, though. This team gets markedly worse without Scheifele.

Unfortunately the Stars won again

It doesn't matter. The Jets are done.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 11, 2022, 03:15:53 PM
Nothing emotional about it, no conjecture at all.  MS55 is defensively a liability, no one disputes that, +/- is a measure of just how much a liability it is.  He hasn't always been, but something has changed (he was +45 in his career coming into this year).  Is he on a too offensive line?  Are D behind him more offensively minded?  I don't know, but in a league where 200' game is emphasized for your #1 guys, MS55 is no longer a 200' player. 

PLD80 is a physical leader, many lament his 100 PIM's, but interesting stat, he leads the league in penalties induced at 48.  So, his +/- PIM's is -4 if they were all 2 minors, if even 2 were majors, he's even stephen on PIMs...  but no one doubts his ability to play or lead.  Unfortunately there are no letters available for his chest.

Point production vs. salary, MS55 is a great deal.  Is that the issue?  Is he playing like he thinks a $6.125mil player should?  Does he think he needs $8-9mil a year to play all 200' of ice? 

Here is the other issue.  This offseason, we have to sign PLD80 to a new deal.  He is an RFA, but now is the time to lock him up longterm.  He is going to get more than MS55, guaranteed, even on a bridge.  So now you have a new issue with the locker room dynamic.  How does he "lead" even though the "#2C" is younger and getting more money than him?

Moving MS55 and BW26 as a package deal allows a completely new leadership team to take over.  It opens up cap space to sign PLD80 long term at a competitive rate.  You could also make a play for AC9 if you think CP91 is not ready to step into the #2 role, or if AL19 isn't ready to share that.  Even signing PS25 for a year as a placeholder while CP91 ramps up. 

Long term, changing the leadership of the team is a tough decision, but I think we've seen just how far MS55 and BW26 can take us.  Handing the reins over to PLD80(C), KC81(A), JM44(A) (so incredibly jazzed at his play of late) with the support team they have, I do not think MS55 and BW26 will be missed.


 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 11, 2022, 03:30:28 PM
Nothing emotional about it, no conjecture at all.  MS55 is defensively a liability, no one disputes that, +/- is a measure of just how much a liability it is.  He hasn't always been, but something has changed (he was +45 in his career coming into this year).  Is he on a too offensive line?  Are D behind him more offensively minded?  I don't know, but in a league where 200' game is emphasized for your #1 guys, MS55 is no longer a 200' player. 

PLD80 is a physical leader, many lament his 100 PIM's, but interesting stat, he leads the league in penalties induced at 48.  So, his +/- PIM's is -4 if they were all 2 minors, if even 2 were majors, he's even stephen on PIMs...  but no one doubts his ability to play or lead.  Unfortunately there are no letters available for his chest.

Point production vs. salary, MS55 is a great deal.  Is that the issue?  Is he playing like he thinks a $6.125mil player should?  Does he think he needs $8-9mil a year to play all 200' of ice? 

Here is the other issue.  This offseason, we have to sign PLD80 to a new deal.  He is an RFA, but now is the time to lock him up longterm.  He is going to get more than MS55, guaranteed, even on a bridge.  So now you have a new issue with the locker room dynamic.  How does he "lead" even though the "#2C" is younger and getting more money than him?

Moving MS55 and BW26 as a package deal allows a completely new leadership team to take over.  It opens up cap space to sign PLD80 long term at a competitive rate.  You could also make a play for AC9 if you think CP91 is not ready to step into the #2 role, or if AL19 isn't ready to share that.  Even signing PS25 for a year as a placeholder while CP91 ramps up. 

Long term, changing the leadership of the team is a tough decision, but I think we've seen just how far MS55 and BW26 can take us.  Handing the reins over to PLD80(C), KC81(A), JM44(A) (so incredibly jazzed at his play of late) with the support team they have, I do not think MS55 and BW26 will be missed.


 

 And the broken record continues. And it's AL17. The $3.75M we save when PS25 is gone will more then cover PL80.

Also who is this support team??


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 05:17:32 PM
Dubois is a pending RFA with arbitration rights and the team has cap space to sign him long term should the two parties decide on that in the off-season. His re-signing has literally nothing to do with any other player on the team save solidifying the Jets' top 6 down the middle.

The mental gymnastics it takes to crap on two of team's top scorers, speculate on their motives, commitment, etc., while simultaneously suggesting the Jets "package" them in the hopes of expecting both to waive contract movement clauses with the Jets retaining salary to effectuate some absolute garbage trade is the pinnacle of ignorance. Which is to say nothing about the excuses made for the most penalized player on the team, especially when you consider the Jets' PK is well below the league average, and one who should also apparently be given the captaincy despite having never worn a letter in his professional career.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 11, 2022, 05:39:16 PM
Dubois is a pending RFA with arbitration rights and the team has cap space to sign him long term should the two parties decide on that in the off-season. His re-signing has literally nothing to do with any other player on the team save solidifying the Jets' top 6 down the middle.

The mental gymnastics it takes to crap on two of team's top scorers, speculate on their motives, commitment, etc., while simultaneously suggesting the Jets "package" them in the hopes of expecting both to waive contract movement clauses with the Jets retaining salary to effectuate some absolute garbage trade is the pinnacle of ignorance. Which is to say nothing about the excuses made for the most penalized player on the team, especially when you consider the Jets' PK is well below the league average, and one who should also apparently be given the captaincy despite having never worn a letter in his professional career.

I would say if there was a change in our captains, Adam Lowry would have to be consider. Game in and game out the man works his tail off. Also when crap starts to happen AL17, is right there taking care of business. Probably the most respected Jet in the dressing room. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 11, 2022, 07:01:51 PM
Dubois is a pending RFA with arbitration rights and the team has cap space to sign him long term should the two parties decide on that in the off-season. His re-signing has literally nothing to do with any other player on the team save solidifying the Jets' top 6 down the middle.

The mental gymnastics it takes to crap on two of team's top scorers, speculate on their motives, commitment, etc., while simultaneously suggesting the Jets "package" them in the hopes of expecting both to waive contract movement clauses with the Jets retaining salary to effectuate some absolute garbage trade is the pinnacle of ignorance. Which is to say nothing about the excuses made for the most penalized player on the team, especially when you consider the Jets' PK is well below the league average, and one who should also apparently be given the captaincy despite having never worn a letter in his professional career.

We've tried a new coach, we've tried shaking up the lines... this team has never achieved its potential. 

Is it wrong to wonder if there is something wrong with the dynamic? 

I don't doubt BW26 has heart, and MS55 has talent.  And BW26's contract is unmoveable, and MS55's is value. 

In this league of young talent and leadership, I think a retool (from the GM down) is a course I could follow... watching this team continue the current course is getting old real quick. 

PLD80 has a passion that gets him penalties, sure, but also draws just as many of them.  If anything, I think that makes him a better candidate to lead.  Last thing you want in a leader is a milquetoast. 

I would say if there was a change in our captains, Adam Lowry would have to be consider. Game in and game out the man works his tail off. Also when crap starts to happen AL17, is right there taking care of business. Probably the most respected Jet in the dressing room. 

I agree, Lowry is a great consideration for C, and if we weren't handing the team over to PLD80 in the absence of BW26, he wold be my choice.  Probably a toss up for the other "A" between KC81 and AL17, really... no one is going anywhere near JM44's "A"...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 07:49:02 PM
We've tried a new coach...

Lowry is not a new coach. He's an interim head coach. Know the difference.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 11, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
Lowry is not a new coach. He's an interim head coach. Know the difference.

"New" as in different... 

Do you think the "New" coach will be able to change the team dynamic with BW26 and MS55?

Will a new GM make a difference? 




Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 08:44:27 PM
"New" as in different... 

Do you think the "New" coach will be able to change the team dynamic with BW26 and MS55?

You shouldn't have said new, then. You should've said different. He was on the staff when Maurice stepped down; nothing has changed.

You make it sound like Wheeler and Scheifele are the problem with this team. If that is your assertion, I would conclude you don't watch the Jets closely enough on a game-to-game basis.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 12, 2022, 01:53:18 AM
You shouldn't have said new, then. You should've said different. He was on the staff when Maurice stepped down; nothing has changed.

You make it sound like Wheeler and Scheifele are the problem with this team. If that is your assertion, I would conclude you don't watch the Jets closely enough on a game-to-game basis.

Sorry you didn't understand that any time you have a coach quit, by definition, the new coach is new.  He wasn't the head coach before, and is now.  New.

Interesting stat they mentioned near the end of game... the Jets are 5-0 when BW26 and MS55 are not in the lineup...

5-0

Just sayin'



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 12, 2022, 02:15:30 AM
When your playing the last place team in the league and there playing there 3rd. string goalie, it's a game you have to win.



 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 12, 2022, 12:17:41 PM
Sorry you didn't understand that any time you have a coach quit, by definition, the new coach is new.  He wasn't the head coach before, and is now.  New.

Interesting stat they mentioned near the end of game... the Jets are 5-0 when BW26 and MS55 are not in the lineup...

5-0

Just sayin'

LOL

Lowry's title is literally interim head coach. A new head coach will hopefully hired in the off-season.

And then a little confirmation bias for good measure. Pairs well with the mental gymnastics.

"Just sayin'." ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 12, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
Tomorrow's game has been postponed due to the storm heading our way. It'll be played instead on May 1st.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 12, 2022, 06:52:21 PM
So, as much heat as Chevy has taken, they have garnered a nice player in Barron for Copp.. and Sanford is not too bad either...

What to do with the D now... Stanley, Heinola and most importantly Samberg need to be in the lineup...  


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 12, 2022, 07:10:07 PM
A Win is a win ........ so extremely happy that the victory was the result of the effort last night regardless of Habs terrible record

I'm a bit of a broken record when mentioning, again, how I enjoy effort from Barron & Samberg ...... last night was special for Barron indeed

Anyone hear anything on 55's injury & whether Wheeler is fit to play in Florida 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 12, 2022, 07:23:17 PM
Samberg seems like a pretty good fit so far. Could be an important piece in the near future.

Has Stanley been a healthy scratch recently? He hasn't played for some time.

As for Scheifele and Wheeler, I'd probably sit them both until they're completely healthy. Although, it's not like they'll be playing past the end of the month, so it probably doesn't make a difference.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 12, 2022, 07:24:45 PM
A Win is a win ........ so extremely happy that the victory was the result of the effort last night regardless of Habs terrible record

I'm a bit of a broken record when mentioning, again, how I enjoy effort from Barron & Samberg ...... last night was special for Barron indeed

Anyone hear anything on 55's injury & whether Wheeler is fit to play in Florida 

If MS55 and BW26 both golf tomorrow they should be good to go. lol

Yup Barron has looked good, and will probably fit in nicely with 17/22 next season. Some control $$ left on him also.

I like Sanford, but he's an UFA and was making 2M per. Another guy that could play with 17/22 on the third line. But not a top 6 forward.

Samberg, doesn't make the mistake the Stanley and Ville make. Stanley has the size and the toughness the Jets need. Ville has the best skills of the three handling the puck. But we already have NP4, and JM44, and both are more physical then Ville.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 13, 2022, 02:29:30 PM
Golfing in Florida ?? have done it several times and would offer to be a Jets caddy

Tools that Samberg has will threaten Stanley ice time.  Plus Kovacevic, guest a few weeks ago during a Moose game called him one of the top Dmen in the AHL., should be passing Heinola for different reasons

No break from Dallas or the Canucks last night


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 13, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
The Stars only have 4 games left, but are 7 points ahead of us but we have some tough games ahead of us. The Canucks right now are on a roll with a 4 game winning streak.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 13, 2022, 03:23:26 PM
The Stars only have 4 games left, but are 7 points ahead of us and we have some tough games ahead of us. The Canucks right now are on a roll with a 4 game winning streak.

You're cute.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 13, 2022, 03:47:51 PM
You're cute.


So my 12 year old Grandson says, some old guy responded to my post, You're cute. Creepy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 13, 2022, 10:03:50 PM
We wish the Stars only had 4 games left but unfortunately have 9 with 6 at home


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 14, 2022, 02:15:59 AM
Well no Jets tonight, but Vladi with 3 home runs tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 14, 2022, 03:09:58 PM
Well no Jets tonight, but Vladi with 3 home runs tonight.

4/4, 3 HR, 4 RBIs, and two stiches in his hand.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 15, 2022, 09:23:20 PM
Wheeler back in tonight, don't know if I will be watching tonight. It's either the Jets game or Sing 2. Tough one.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2022, 03:04:04 PM
Can't says I watched much of the game. Big movie night, Sing 2 and F9.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 16, 2022, 06:11:39 PM
Only seemed competitive in the 2nd otherwise a long night of not much to cheer about


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 17, 2022, 12:49:51 AM
Chevy needs to go...jets will be eliminated and so should Chevy.  Start over time.  New GM, new coach please


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: dd on April 17, 2022, 01:20:48 AM
Watched the jets vs TB game, god the jets are awful, 16 shots in a game of hockey??!!! Sheiffle is out but seriously , would he add 15 shots more to our offense ??? How did we get so bad?? Half our lineup should be playing for the moose


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: dd on April 17, 2022, 01:23:13 AM
Chevy needs to go...jets will be eliminated and so should Chevy.  Start over time.  New GM, new coach please
Couldn?t agree more. How do we let the likes of Myers, trouba, charot, Tanev go and replacement them with AHL talent. It is a crime to what?s happened to this club. Maurice knew what he was doing when he resigned. God himself couldn?t make this a good NHL club. We need a ton of talent to replace what we ve lost


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 17, 2022, 01:42:13 AM
Couldn?t agree more. How do we let the likes of Myers, trouba, charot, Tanev go and replacement them with AHL talent. It is a crime to what?s happened to this club. Maurice knew what he was doing when he resigned. God himself couldn?t make this a good NHL club. We need a ton of talent to replace what we ve lost

Far from the issue... each of those players were too costly and letting them leave have proven to be wise moves... 

But there is an issue with Chevy and his entourage... there is a reason to move on... this team has some really good pieces, but the top is underperforming and change must happen, sooner than later.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 17, 2022, 11:36:30 AM
Hellebuck is slow in reacting to pucks . Jet up 4-2 of course Hellebuck let's in the next shot between his legs and they go high on him . Always on his knees


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 17, 2022, 06:09:46 PM
As a fan ?? accepting life without playoffs now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 18, 2022, 07:39:18 PM
Hellebuck is slow in reacting to pucks . Jet up 4-2 of course Hellebuck let's in the next shot between his legs and they go high on him . Always on his knees

This is just flat out incorrect.

As a fan ?? accepting life without playoffs now.

It's been a reality for some time - even if "mathematically" they were still in it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 18, 2022, 10:16:36 PM
Far from the issue... each of those players were too costly and letting them leave have proven to be wise moves... 

But there is an issue with Chevy and his entourage... there is a reason to move on... this team has some really good pieces, but the top is underperforming and change must happen, sooner than later.

Your first paragraph is correct, but I don?t understand the second. I see no terrible moves that Chevy has made to make us want to move on. The players are great on paper but the coach isn?t extracting all the juice we can get out of them.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 02:39:50 AM
Your first paragraph is correct, but I don?t understand the second. I see no terrible moves that Chevy has made to make us want to move on. The players are great on paper but the coach isn?t extracting all the juice we can get out of them.

Its not only the moves you make, its the moves you don't make... there are lot of pieces here that should have been moved... starting that the top...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2022, 04:00:57 AM
Its not only the moves you make, its the moves you don't make... there are lot of pieces here that should have been moved... starting that the top...

A lot of piece. Okay, tell us who are those pieces? Other then your usual MS55 and BW26.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 19, 2022, 02:01:47 PM
Its not only the moves you make, its the moves you don't make... there are lot of pieces here that should have been moved... starting that the top...

So you're saying Chevy should be fired because he didn't trade our captain and assistant captain.

Got it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 02:06:28 PM
A lot of piece. Okay, tell us who are those pieces? Other then your usual MS55 and BW26.

Everything above and including those two...

A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster.  Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....

So you're saying Chevy should be fired because he didn't trade our captain and assistant captain.

Got it.

There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2022, 03:57:10 PM
Everything above and including those two...

A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster.  Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....

There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team. 

That's what I thought you really can't supply a list.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 05:06:28 PM
That's what I thought you really can't supply a list.

Pretty simple list... MS55, BW26 and the entire management and coaching staff.  Might retain the trainers and support staff, but coaches and management, buh bye.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 19, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
Everything above and including those two...

A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster.  Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....

There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team. 

lol who has Chevy been married to? It's his job as a GM to sign players and he's done just that.

He has a perennial ~30 goal scorer and top C who he drafted and developed and another player who is the captain and earned a high-end, long term contract that was needed when we were trying to make the best of our window. You can criticize Scheifele for having an off-year (although not when you look at value-for-dollar) and Wheeler for being overpaid and over the hump but these are hardly horrible flubs.

Pigskin is right though, your entire argument is centred around your hate for Scheifele and Wheeler alone. Since you're such a +/- guy, that stat on Chevy is will over 0.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 19, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
So you're saying Chevy should be fired because he didn't trade our captain and assistant captain.

Got it.

Comical stuff. Easily the most entertaining commentary concerning the Jets. :D

A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster.  Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....

There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team. 

LOL :D :D

Where do you continue to come up with these ill-conceived, woefully misinformed, and utterly laughable suggestions?

Jonathan Toews...? The same Jonathan Toews who has 11 goals and 32 points in 65 games, sitting at -17 (because you love to point out the +/- of both Wheeler and Scheifele whenever you dump on them)? The same Jonathan Toews who is statistically inferior to both Wheeler and Scheifele? The same Jonathan Toews with a $10.5M cap hit for next season, higher than even Wheeler's? Not to mention his NMC that likely includes Winnipeg.

Did you even look into any of those specifics before you decided to share that absolutely terrible trade idea in this thread?

EDIT: I'll even do the work (because this is easy and fun).

Scheifele: $6.125M AAV, 67 GP, 29 G, 41 A, 70 P (1.04 PPG), -17, 23 PIM, 18.2 S%, 21:08 ATOI, 50.7 FO%
Toews: $10.5M AAV, 65 GP, 11 G, 21 A, 32 P (0.49 PPG), -17, 33 PIM, 9.5 S%, 17:30 ATOI, 58.7 FO%


Toews' only advantage is in the face-off circle. That is it. He's also five years older than Scheifele.

You irrationally claim Cheveldayoff is "married" to two players without any actual explanation, despite the fact it's the coaching staff who determines how players are deployed on a roster. No doubt he's missed on some roster moves and made some mistakes during his tenure, but the good far outweighs the bad when looked at objectively. No GM in the NHL has an unblemished record, anyway.

This ongoing emotionally charged, unobjectively sound narrative of seemingly nothing more than a dislike for Scheifele, Wheeler, and now Cheveldayoff continues to pollute this thread with its inanity.

Sure, the Jets have had a forgettable season but singling out a few big names is just lazy and quite frankly, ignorant. Do better.

He has a perennial ~30 goal scorer and top C who he drafted and developed and another player who is the captain and earned a high-end, long term contract that was needed when we were trying to make the best of our window. You can criticize Scheifele for having an off-year (although not when you look at value-for-dollar) and Wheeler for being overpaid and over the hump but these are hardly horrible flubs.

Pigskin is right though, your entire argument is centred around your hate for Scheifele and Wheeler alone. Since you're such a +/- guy, that stat on Chevy is will over 0.

Imagine thinking Toews is a better forward than Scheifele. LOL :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2022, 07:33:03 PM
Comical stuff. Easily the most entertaining commentary concerning the Jets:D

LOL :D :D

Where do you continue to come up with these ill-conceived, woefully misinformed, and utterly laughable suggestions?

Jonathan Toews...? The same Jonathan Toews who has 11 goals and 32 points in 65 games, sitting at -17 (because you love to point out the +/- of both Wheeler and Scheifele whenever you dump on them)? The same Jonathan Toews who is statistically inferior to both Wheeler and Scheifele? The same Jonathan Toews with a $10.5M cap hit for next season, higher than even Wheeler's? Not to mention his NMC that likely includes Winnipeg.

Did you even look into any of those specifics before you decided to share that absolutely terrible trade idea in this thread?

You irrationally claim Cheveldayoff is "married" to those two players without any actual explanation, despite the fact it's the coaching staff who determines how players are deployed on a roster. No doubt he's missed on some roster moves and made some mistakes during his tenure, but the good far outweighs the bad when looked at objectively. No GM in the NHL has an unblemished record, anyway.

This ongoing emotionally charged, unobjectively sound narrative of seemingly nothing more than a dislike for Scheifele, Wheeler, and now Cheveldayoff continues to pollute this thread with its inanity.

Sure, the Jets have had a forgettable season but singling out a few big names is just lazy and quite frankly, ignorant. Do better.

Imagine thinking Toews is a better forward than Scheifele. LOL :D

Now there's a bad trade. Aard's your fired. Take the trainer with you. No don't, he's a friend of mine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 20, 2022, 02:34:06 AM
Certainly had some very decent high scoring chances
However on replays, one can see, arm chair Senior eyes, some poor choices of where to put the puck --- course then there's Shesterkin

Felt Com had a very good night in goal, 25, 26, 27, 81 were pretty darn good but it wasn't the Jets night 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 20, 2022, 03:28:23 AM
I missed the post game, but Dubois was apparently outspoken...  unhappy with the way the Jets are playing, pointing out how good teams play... and how the Jets play...


Mike McIntyre@mikemcintyrewpg
Here is the complete quote from an angry, frustrated Pierre-Luc Dubois tonight where he sings the praises of how good hockey teams play and contrasts it with what he's seen from his #NHLJets.

It's candid, quality stuff from the 23-year-old, who oozes leadership qualities.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQwUMmVWYAApDYz?format=png&name=medium



What's the old saying attributed erroneously to Einstein?  Keep doing the same stuff expecting different results..

Results need to be improved.

If the leaders can't lead and the coaches can't coach, them its the GM that put them there that needs to be changed as well...

I like the idea of a new team next year.

Dubois, Conner, Ehlers... Morrissey.. behind them the depth is pretty solid. 

Can MS55 and BW26 change?  Are they leading in a way purely created by the coaches, or are the coaches gameplanning to the players they have leading?  If the new GM thinks they can adapt to the new coach, then give them a  short leash to change course... but be ready to make big moves... 

We traded PL29 for PLD80... if he doesn't see cahnge coming, he's not going to hang around long... and he is a leader you can build around

Leaving anything above them status quo is doing the same thing expecting different results.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2022, 01:05:49 PM
Both Wheeler and Scheifele, along with a myriad of other Jets players, have made similar comments after a loss - on numerous occasions. This is nothing new.

Being able to conduct an interview and share some thoughts with a less than mediocre sports writer after a game should not be over-analyzed as "quality stuff" or "oozing leadership qualities;" it's part of being a professional hockey player. There's nothing outspoken about it from any objective standpoint.

Furthermore, talking accounts for very little when it's not accompanied by action. His stat line last night: 2 SOG, -2, 19:41 TOI, 36.7 FO% - hardly leadership calibre numbers.

He should be unhappy, along with every other player facing the bitter reality hockey ends for them in less than two weeks.

If anyone thinks status quo will be followed after this failure of a season, they don't pay enough attention to this team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Both Wheeler and Scheifele, along with a myriad of other Jets players, have made similar comments after a loss - on numerous occasions. This is nothing new.

Being able to conduct an interview and share some thoughts with a less than mediocre sports writer after a game should not be over-analyzed as "quality stuff" or "oozing leadership qualities;" it's part of being a professional hockey player. There's nothing outspoken about it from any objective standpoint.

Furthermore, talking accounts for very little when it's not accompanied by action. His stat line last night: 2 SOG, -2, 19:41 TOI, 36.7 FO% - hardly leadership calibre numbers.

He should be unhappy, along with every other player facing the bitter reality hockey ends for them in less than two weeks.

If anyone thinks status quo will be followed after this failure of a season, they don't pay enough attention to this team.

Yes talking leaders, PL80 in the last three games, -4, and 1A. JM44 -5, 1A.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 20, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
Both Wheeler and Scheifele, along with a myriad of other Jets players, have made similar comments after a loss - on numerous occasions. This is nothing new.

Yes, you are correct.  The big difference is, they have had a long time to lead the change, but instead, got a coach to actually quit on the team.  He didn't quit because of the play of our fourth line, or Conner, or Dubois, or Ehlers.  His "leadership group" was BW26 and MS55.  And he could not win with them.  Saddling a new coach with a problem that caused a beloved and veteran coach to actually quit mid season AND mid contract, who will you attract for THAT position?  

Give the new coach a blank slate, let him choose his "C" and "A" without pre existing expectations.  Sure, MS55 is a point a game, and BW26 has the heart of an ox, but they have consistently failed to perform the one vital task a leader has to.  Win, and rally the team behind them.  The fact that "a myriad of Jets players" have made similar comments proves my point, not yours.  Every one of those comments points to leadership's performance.  

In My Humble Opinion, the only way to take this to the next level is to make a change now, maybe take a step backwards, sure, but rather than wait for BW26 to become the next Andrew Ladd, and while we can get a return on MS55's contract, make the tough move now.

We need to Marie Kondo this team, remove the things that do not spark joy.  We need to remove familiar things to make room for new growth and new favourites. 


If anyone thinks status quo will be followed after this failure of a season, they don't pay enough attention to this team.

If there is no change in leadership, we get status quo.  A new coach will make a difference, but any new coach inherits the ghost of disappointments past if he has to use the same lineup and has the same GM.

Clearing house when replacing the coach gives the new guy a fighting chance.  Changing the on ice face of the team gives the new coach a chance to build without past failures haunting him.  

Yes talking leaders, PL80 in the last three games, -4, and 1A. JM44 -5, 1A.

Wow, an *I* was accused of cherrypicking stats...   

BW26  1G -8
MS55   0P -0 (did not play)

So, MS55 was the most productive player of all... by not playing. Nice.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 01:58:32 PM
Yes, you are correct.  The big difference is, they have had a long time to lead the change, but instead, got a coach to actually quit on the team.  He didn't quit because of the play of our fourth line, or Conner, or Dubois, or Ehlers.  His "leadership group" was BW26 and MS55.  And he could not win with them.  Saddling a new coach with a problem that caused a beloved and veteran coach to actually quit mid season AND mid contract, who will you attract for THAT position?  

Give the new coach a blank slate, let him choose his "C" and "A" without pre existing expectations.  Sure, MS55 is a point a game, and BW26 has the heart of an ox, but they have consistently failed to perform the one vital task a leader has to.  Win, and rally the team behind them.  The fact that "a myriad of Jets players" have made similar comments proves my point, not yours.  Every one of those comments points to leadership's performance.  

In My Humble Opinion, the only way to take this to the next level is to make a change now, maybe take a step backwards, sure, but rather than wait for BW26 to become the next Andrew Ladd, and while we can get a return on MS55's contract, make the tough move now.

We need to Marie Kondo this team, remove the things that do not spark joy.  We need to remove familiar things to make room for new growth and new favourites. 


If there is no change in leadership, we get status quo.  A new coach will make a difference, but any new coach inherits the ghost of disappointments past if he has to use the same lineup and has the same GM.

Clearing house when replacing the coach gives the new guy a fighting chance.  Changing the on ice face of the team gives the new coach a chance to build without past failures haunting him.  

Wow, an *I* was accused of cherrypicking stats...   

BW26  1G -8
MS55   0P -0 (did not play)

So, MS55 was the most productive player of all... by not playing. Nice.



You were talking the new leaders. These are two of the guys you were talking about. Not BW26.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2022, 03:22:47 PM
Yes, you are correct.  The big difference is, they have had a long time to lead the change, but instead, got a coach to actually quit on the team.  He didn't quit because of the play of our fourth line, or Conner, or Dubois, or Ehlers.  His "leadership group" was BW26 and MS55.  And he could not win with them.  Saddling a new coach with a problem that caused a beloved and veteran coach to actually quit mid season AND mid contract, who will you attract for THAT position?  

Give the new coach a blank slate, let him choose his "C" and "A" without pre existing expectations.  Sure, MS55 is a point a game, and BW26 has the heart of an ox, but they have consistently failed to perform the one vital task a leader has to.  Win, and rally the team behind them.  The fact that "a myriad of Jets players" have made similar comments proves my point, not yours.  Every one of those comments points to leadership's performance.  

In My Humble Opinion, the only way to take this to the next level is to make a change now, maybe take a step backwards, sure, but rather than wait for BW26 to become the next Andrew Ladd, and while we can get a return on MS55's contract, make the tough move now.

We need to Marie Kondo this team, remove the things that do not spark joy.  We need to remove familiar things to make room for new growth and new favourites. 

If there is no change in leadership, we get status quo.  A new coach will make a difference, but any new coach inherits the ghost of disappointments past if he has to use the same lineup and has the same GM.

Clearing house when replacing the coach gives the new guy a fighting chance.  Changing the on ice face of the team gives the new coach a chance to build without past failures haunting him.  

Wow, an *I* was accused of cherrypicking stats...   

BW26  1G -8
MS55   0P -0 (did not play)

So, MS55 was the most productive player of all... by not playing. Nice.

And the mental gymnastics continue. The Marie Kondo remarks... *chef's kiss* :D

As if you're trying to pretend you know why Maurice resigned and then spew falsehoods about what happened. Have a read: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-head-coach-paul-maurice-resigns/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-head-coach-paul-maurice-resigns/)

He didn't just "quit on the team" if you'd bothered to pay attention when he did step down back in December. And he explained pretty much everything regarding his decision to resign, one he didn't make lightly or rashly. Your lame attempt to frame it otherwise to suit your deformed opinions is pretty disrespectful. I'm surprised you didn't blame him for ruining Scheifele again.

But of course you blame just Wheeler and Scheifele - way to be consistent with your irrational dislike. It's weird how you'll exclude Morrissey from the leadership group and give him and everyone else a pass for an entire team struggling more often than not this season. And just so you know, letters on jerseys aren't the be-all end-all of leadership on a hockey team. It's far more complex than any of the trivialized narratives you've been peddling in this thread. And somehow, according to you, Dubois is the best leader on the team despite any evidence to back up that claim. But at least he interviews like a leader, right? Oof.

The fact that you'd pin an entire team's failings on just two players really speaks to the ignorance on display here, not to mention a total lack of understanding of the complexities and intricacies of professional hockey. Your feigned admiration for either Scheifele or Wheeler is as transparent as glass based on the vitriol you've directed at both in this thread, so why even bother making disingenuous remarks?

It's hilarious how you're so steadfast in your ridiculous suggestion to move two players but then contradict yourself with the "maybe it's a step backwards" line. The self-owns just keep on comin'! :D

Remember when you made the comparison to Ladd before and it got shot down faster than a Russian helicopter in Ukraine? As if you just brought that up again... Another self-own! :D

You need to figure out what status quo means because you're not using it properly.

And yes, you were justifiably accused of cherry-picking because you did just that in your attacks on certain players while defending others. It's one of more than a few logical fallacies you've committed in this thread over the course of the season.

"Clearing" house isn't needed; the Jets don't need to rebuild. They need a new coaching staff, a new system, and a few pieces to fill out the roster depending on how the UFA situation shakes out.

The bolded part of that meandering commentary is nonsense and I think you know that. Why even make it?

You were talking the new leaders. These are two of the guys you were talking about. Not BW26.

A: "Look at the +/- of those two players I don't like!"
everyone else: "Look at the +/- of those players you do like!"
A: "No, not like that!"

LOL :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 20, 2022, 11:12:54 PM
You were talking the new leaders. These are two of the guys you were talking about. Not BW26.

In the three games you quote, no one was a +.  No one.

Player     G   A   +/-
MA22       0    1    0
JH12       0    0     0
NE27       1    1    -1
AL17       0   1     -1
KC81      1    1    -2
ZS12       0    0    -2
NS88      0    0    -2
NP4        0      2    -3
BD5        0     0    -3
PS25       1      1    -4
PLD80     1      1    -4
MB36      0      0    -7
BW26      1      0    -8

I have been a MS55 and BW26 fan in the past, and I do not discount that they have talent / ability.  I just think if we are going to make changes, if we are going to have a completely new coaching staff, now is the ideal time to turn the keys over to the new guard. 

Start fresh.  Because if they stumble out of the blocks next season... what do you do?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 11:41:08 PM
In the three games you quote, no one was a +.  No one.

Player     G   A   +/-
MA22       0    1    0
JH12       0    0     0
NE27       1    1    -1
AL17       0   1     -1
KC81      1    1    -2
ZS12       0    0    -2
NS88      0    0    -2
NP4        0      2    -3
BD5        0     0    -3
PS25       1      1    -4
PLD80     1      1    -4
MB36      0      0    -7
BW26      1      0    -8

I have been a MS55 and BW26 fan in the past, and I do not discount that they have talent / ability.  I just think if we are going to make changes, if we are going to have a completely new coaching staff, now is the ideal time to turn the keys over to the new guard. 

Start fresh.  Because if they stumble out of the blocks next season... what do you do?

OMG. This record just keeps on skipping. lol  And by the way when in the last 3 games did PL80 score???  I think your thinking JM44 who is not on the list.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 21, 2022, 02:45:46 PM
In the three games you quote, no one was a +.  No one.

Player     G   A   +/-
MA22       0    1    0
JH12       0    0     0
NE27       1    1    -1
AL17       0   1     -1
KC81      1    1    -2
ZS12       0    0    -2
NS88      0    0    -2
NP4        0      2    -3
BD5        0     0    -3
PS25       1      1    -4
PLD80     1      1    -4
MB36      0      0    -7
BW26      1      0    -8

I have been a MS55 and BW26 fan in the past, and I do not discount that they have talent / ability.  I just think if we are going to make changes, if we are going to have a completely new coaching staff, now is the ideal time to turn the keys over to the new guard. 

Start fresh.  Because if they stumble out of the blocks next season... what do you do?

Whether you like it or not, we function as a draft and develop team.

MS is the epitome of that philosophy who was drafted, developed, and signed to a long-term, team friendly contract.

Whatever his warts are, he's the best option we have or will have.

He and BW are not tradeable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 21, 2022, 06:23:39 PM
Whether you like it or not, we function as a draft and develop team.

MS is the epitome of that philosophy who was drafted, developed, and signed to a long-term, team friendly contract.

Whatever his warts are, he's the best option we have or will have.

He and BW are not tradeable.

Yes, you are correct, we draft and develop, mainly because due to our market, we are a hard sell to a lot of players to come here voluntarily. 

Yes, MS is a great example of draft and develop, and is on a long term team friendly contract.  And he does produce points.  But there are big holes in his game that people seem content to overlook due to point production.  Is he the best option we have?  Is he better than PLD80?  I really don't think so.  And with only 1 #1C spot available, which would you rather keep?  With CP91 champing at the bit, and AL17 in slot 3 and a large number of prospects / veterans for the 4th line, isn't it is good roster management to move an asset at its most valuable when you can?

And BW26 is not moveable on his own, without retaining a lot of his current deal, which is why the package makes sense.  Move the younger guy with the attractive contract along with the older guy... and giving them an opportunity to move to a new team that is looking for that final move to make them a contender might be attractive enough for the duo to shelve their NM/NT clauses.   Getting back a young winger and some DP/prospects opens up the vault for PLD80 and maybe a vet FA that fits well. 

Draft and develop only works if you can move on from parts that didn't work out... we traded Kane, Trouba and Laine because they were not a good fit or going to sign here long term.  I think if you move MS55 and BW26, PLD80 signs long term.  And we start the new iteration of the Jets.   Who doesn't want a younger, faster, more defensively responsible team?  Sure, we have CH37, but what are the win/loss stats when we score less than 2 goals? 

BW26 just fell on his sword for the club's dismal performance this year... but had no response for how to change it, other than he hopes there are other guys in the room that want to do better too.  Sure, kudos for admitting his role, but is it possible now to remove his "C" and keep him in the room?  Isn't it kinder to just move him along to a new opportunity, where he can assume a support role he really can't here? 

Some pundits are saying Lowry is the right guy to coach next year.  But, he came out and said they are running with their present lineup for the rest of the year, and not "auditioning" players.  I'm sorry, but that disqualifies him in my eyes right there.  Once you are eliminated, the most important thing you can do is get your young players some NHL level ice time and give them a chance to develop.  Draft and develop, right?  Here are 4 free games of development where you can give these young guys a chance to show they belong, that they deserve a chance at the next step.  What possible good comes from playing BW26, PS25, NS88, DD2, DT21, BD5... he's sitting CH37.. why stop there...



 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 21, 2022, 10:52:23 PM
Terrific start, 2-0,  with finish on minimal chances while Calmly is playing great in goal


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 22, 2022, 01:31:53 AM
and reality sets in, Com can?t stop everything and the Jets lose again


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 22, 2022, 05:26:14 AM
Yes, EC had another very good game tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 02:40:54 PM
Comrie stood on his head... and I think the guys in front started to take that for granted...

Not sure how much BW26's presser factored into the great start, but it sure let up quick.


Not counting the empty netter:

BW26 0g, 0A, -1 2PIM 1SOG
PLD80 1G, 1A, +/-0 2PIM (no PP, co-incedental minors) 2SG
KC81 1G, 0A  +/-0 0PIM  3SOG


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 22, 2022, 02:49:07 PM
Silver lining lesson learned this year is that Comrie is a very capable backup. We literally gave up on him in the past but we drafted and developed him into a quality goalie I think. No one expected anything from him yet he impressed. Happy to have him around on a more permanent basis.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 22, 2022, 05:45:40 PM
Yes, you are correct, we draft and develop, mainly because due to our market, we are a hard sell to a lot of players to come here voluntarily. 

Yes, MS is a great example of draft and develop, and is on a long term team friendly contract.  And he does produce points.  But there are big holes in his game that people seem content to overlook due to point production.  Is he the best option we have?  Is he better than PLD80?  I really don't think so.  And with only 1 #1C spot available, which would you rather keep?  With CP91 champing at the bit, and AL17 in slot 3 and a large number of prospects / veterans for the 4th line, isn't it is good roster management to move an asset at its most valuable when you can?

And BW26 is not moveable on his own, without retaining a lot of his current deal, which is why the package makes sense.  Move the younger guy with the attractive contract along with the older guy... and giving them an opportunity to move to a new team that is looking for that final move to make them a contender might be attractive enough for the duo to shelve their NM/NT clauses.   Getting back a young winger and some DP/prospects opens up the vault for PLD80 and maybe a vet FA that fits well. 

Draft and develop only works if you can move on from parts that didn't work out... we traded Kane, Trouba and Laine because they were not a good fit or going to sign here long term.  I think if you move MS55 and BW26, PLD80 signs long term.  And we start the new iteration of the Jets.   Who doesn't want a younger, faster, more defensively responsible team?  Sure, we have CH37, but what are the win/loss stats when we score less than 2 goals? 

BW26 just fell on his sword for the club's dismal performance this year... but had no response for how to change it, other than he hopes there are other guys in the room that want to do better too.  Sure, kudos for admitting his role, but is it possible now to remove his "C" and keep him in the room?  Isn't it kinder to just move him along to a new opportunity, where he can assume a support role he really can't here? 

Some pundits are saying Lowry is the right guy to coach next year.  But, he came out and said they are running with their present lineup for the rest of the year, and not "auditioning" players.  I'm sorry, but that disqualifies him in my eyes right there.  Once you are eliminated, the most important thing you can do is get your young players some NHL level ice time and give them a chance to develop.  Draft and develop, right?  Here are 4 free games of development where you can give these young guys a chance to show they belong, that they deserve a chance at the next step.  What possible good comes from playing BW26, PS25, NS88, DD2, DT21, BD5... he's sitting CH37.. why stop there...  

The above commentary is what an echo chamber looks like.

What I find interesting is how you listed the +/- of basically the entire team but fail to see the glaringly obvious trend or how the team's issues go beyond two players for whom you have an obvious and irrational dislike. You're either failing or refusing to see the bigger picture here and it's clouding your ability to look at the situation objectively and irrespective of several other factors that led to this season being a failure for the team.

At this moment in time, Scheifele is better than Dubois. It's not up for debate and the statistics bear out that fact: https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1 (https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1)
Even this season, Scheifele was the more productive forward. The statistics - again - bear out that fact.
You can even compare them on equal terms (first five seasons) and see Scheifele being the better player over that time:
Scheifele: 355 GP, 112 G, 174 A, 286 P, +73, 15.0 S%, 18:59 ATOI, 45.0 FO%
Dubois: 357 GP, 101 G, 136 A, 237 P, +6, 12.6 S%, 17:27 ATOI, 44.7 FO%
Also, it's not an either or in terms of which should be kept and it never was at any point. That's a false narrative you've created and it has no basis in reality.

Scheifele and Wheeler are going nowhere and your trade suggestion brimming with horrendously bad ideas to "make it work" will not happen.
Dubois re-signing has nothing to do with Scheifele or Wheeler's contracts. This is another false narrative you've created. How his re-signing shakes out is between him and management.

Wheeler holds himself accountable for the season being a failure - something a captain should do - and you still manage to crap on him. Also, it's neither his responsibility nor his place right now to tell anyone what needs to be changed. That's up to management and the organization in the off-season. Players play.
He's not losing his captaincy because the team failed to make the post-season. Imagine the optics of an organization demoting the team's captain after he struggled with injuries and getting COVID-19 but still finished 4th in team scoring.

I'm not sure what hockey pundits you follow but I've yet to come across any claiming Lowry is the right coach going forward. It's plain as day to anyone in the game he's not the answer, so you should probably find new and better pundits to follow.

Silver lining lesson learned this year is that Comrie is a very capable backup. We literally gave up on him in the past but we drafted and developed him into a quality goalie I think. No one expected anything from him yet he impressed. Happy to have him around on a more permanent basis.

Goaltending is a strength for this team right now, IMO. Hellebuyck and Comrie make a very good tandem going forward. It'd be nice to see the latter take on more games next season.

Now that the Jets are officially out, it should be time to evaluate some of the younger players and prepare for fixing the issues with the team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 06:56:59 PM
Again, no irrational dislike for MS55 or BW26.  They are talented players, but have been the leadership core for this team and have dropped the ball.  Quoting MS55's stats from 5 years ago don't factor into a "what have you doe from me lately" league.

Every player's contract is related to every other players contract in some way.  If PLD80 is OK with sharing the spotlight with MS55, that's pretty dynamite, sure.  And by the time CP91 has an opportunity to shop the market, space will have opened up, no doubt.  In the meantime, we lose AC9... who is now showing what a lot of people saw in him.  Some here commented that he wasn't a #2C worth even $4mil, looks like he's gonna more than that, easily.  And be a solid #2C.

What do you do with MS55, PLD80, CP91, AL17, JH12, MB36, ME23, DG19 and CJS25?  The first three are all top 2C, #1C potential, AL17 is solid #3 who can move up when needed, and the last 5 are all capable NHL #4's who could move up as well.  From a stats point, does losing MS55's points for outweigh his points against?  There is a logic there... but the main one being:

The team has stalled, and even reverted.  We were on an upswing, and have added more talent than lost, and had diminishing results.  Changing the management and coaching, but keeping the same core (that are frustrated, even BW26 is...) is saddling the new management and coaches with a dynamic that has proven it is broken. 

The team has a lot of unselfish players, who have signed deals to stay here, including MS55... but this team is not greater than its parts right now.  Sure, "an off season" is the excuse this year, and COVID last year... what might it be next year? 

Ticket sales are bottoming out, something needs to be done to bring back excitement.  Moving MS55 and BW26, and then bringing in a new leader, maybe a Toews, as a bridge to the new guys might accomplish a lot from a marketing perspective too.  Last year, I would never have suggested trading MS55 or BW26, it would be talent and marketing suicide.  But I do not think those players have the cachet they had last year.  MS55's "identity" comment, however misunderstood, cost him followers.  This season's results are a black mark on the "C". 

I just think it is better for everyone, MS55 and BW26 included, to start fresh...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 09:21:33 PM
You just keep repeating the some old BS over and over and over again. Did you paste and copy this from last week.

Didn't you notice I added in marketing this time?  More reason for change? ;) 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 22, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
Didn't you notice I added in marketing this time?  More reason for change? ;) 


Your marketing idea, is the same idea as you had last week. Trading for JT19 is a very bad idea.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 23, 2022, 07:03:24 PM
The mental gymnastics are astonishing. They're riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions.

Again, no irrational dislike for MS55 or BW26.  They are talented players, but have been the leadership core for this team and have dropped the ball. 

You've spent the majority of the season crapping on almost every aspect of their game, peddling this absurd narrative they're the two players responsible for the team's failings, whilst making excuses for other players (Dubois, Connor, Morrissey, etc.) guilty of the same issues. There is zero objectivity in your views when you display favoritism based on nothing substantial when there is a consistent problem across the roster, regardless of who's got a letter on his jersey.

What's particularly noteworthy is how you praised Dubois for calling out his team the other night, gushing over his "leadership" qualities in doing so, but lambasted Scheifele when he made similar remarks earlier in the season, lamenting his lack of leadership in doing so. That's another self-own.

Quoting MS55's stats from 5 years ago don't factor into a "what have you doe from me lately" league.

Thanks for proving my point regarding your fanboyish bias. You've claimed Dubois is the better player (and leader) numerous times. Statistics - and your own contradiction - fly in the face of your audacious claim. By looking at cumulative statistics over a broadened time frame, you can better evaluate players when comparing them objectively. It's not rocket appliances.

And I did point out how Scheifele has been the more productive forward this season, so read it again:

At this moment in time, Scheifele is better than Dubois. It's not up for debate and the statistics bear out that fact: https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1 (https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1)
Even this season, Scheifele was the more productive forward. The statistics - again - bear out that fact.
You can even compare them on equal terms (first five seasons) and see Scheifele being the better player over that time:
Scheifele: 355 GP, 112 G, 174 A, 286 P, +73, 15.0 S%, 18:59 ATOI, 45.0 FO%
Dubois: 357 GP, 101 G, 136 A, 237 P, +6, 12.6 S%, 17:27 ATOI, 44.7 FO%
Also, it's not an either or in terms of which should be kept and it never was at any point. That's a false narrative you've created and it has no basis in reality.

It's right there in bold. But let's take a look at the numbers because, as you pointed out, what have you done for me lately:

Scheifele (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/scheima01.html (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/scheima01.html)): 67 GP, 29 G, 41 A, 70 P (1.04 PPG), -17, 18.2 S%, 21:08 ATOI, 50.7 FO%
Dubois (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/duboipi01.html (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/duboipi01.html)): 77 GP, 27 G, 31 A, 58 P (0.75 PPG), -8, 11.9 S%, 19:01 ATOI, 47.1 FO%

The only stat in your "favour" is the +/- but we both know that's a piddly argument when you consider both are in the minus (and again speaks to a broader issue with the team itself and not just individual players). FWIW, Dubois is on pace for career season, which bodes well for him and the team, not to mention his contract aspirations. But to suggest he's better than Scheifele is patently false.

What have you done for me lately, indeed.

Every player's contract is related to every other players contract in some way.  If PLD80 is OK with sharing the spotlight with MS55, that's pretty dynamite, sure.  And by the time CP91 has an opportunity to shop the market, space will have opened up, no doubt.  In the meantime, we lose AC9... who is now showing what a lot of people saw in him.  Some here commented that he wasn't a #2C worth even $4mil, looks like he's gonna more than that, easily.  And be a solid #2C.

What do you do with MS55, PLD80, CP91, AL17, JH12, MB36, ME23, DG19 and CJS25?  The first three are all top 2C, #1C potential, AL17 is solid #3 who can move up when needed, and the last 5 are all capable NHL #4's who could move up as well.  From a stats point, does losing MS55's points for outweigh his points against?  There is a logic there... but the main one being:

The team has stalled, and even reverted.  We were on an upswing, and have added more talent than lost, and had diminishing results.  Changing the management and coaching, but keeping the same core (that are frustrated, even BW26 is...) is saddling the new management and coaches with a dynamic that has proven it is broken. 

The team has a lot of unselfish players, who have signed deals to stay here, including MS55... but this team is not greater than its parts right now.  Sure, "an off season" is the excuse this year, and COVID last year... what might it be next year? 

Ticket sales are bottoming out, something needs to be done to bring back excitement.  Moving MS55 and BW26, and then bringing in a new leader, maybe a Toews, as a bridge to the new guys might accomplish a lot from a marketing perspective too.  Last year, I would never have suggested trading MS55 or BW26, it would be talent and marketing suicide.  But I do not think those players have the cachet they had last year.  MS55's "identity" comment, however misunderstood, cost him followers.  This season's results are a black mark on the "C". 

I just think it is better for everyone, MS55 and BW26 included, to start fresh...

The only "relation" is how all the players' contracts fit into the team's salary cap. And with Scheifele, who has one of the most cap friendly deals in the entire league, his contract has no bearing on what happens with Dubois' pending free agency. It's not about "sharing a spotlight" or making baseless assumptions about prospects; it's about having a skilled top 6 with two centres leading the charge right now. Those two players address that need and the Jets are fortunate to have both going forward.

The Jets had a season riddled with COVID issues, significant injuries, postponed games, and a coaching staff whose message became stagnant, leading to inconsistent performances on the ice. But it's not like it was some abject failure where it didn't compete at all. They are projected to miss the playoffs by 10 points or, which in reality, is a difference of a handful of games going the other way. Their five-game skids in November and January are pretty glaring at the moment.
Moreover, it's not like they were a juggernaut last season, the season before, or the season before that. The same deficiencies existed, regardless of the roster. There was no upswing. You can look at the 2019 off-season and see how the loss of talent, especially on the blue line, changed the complexion of this team and the type of game it plays. That wasn't addressed until last off-season, anyway. And even then, it wasn't enough to surmount the other challenges I've already listed. To try and suggest all that's wrong with this team is due to two players is not reasonable at all, and a letter on their jersey being even less reasonable and pretty irrelevant.

Trading away two of team's top scorers doesn't make the roster better, especially if the team has to retain salary for the remainder of each player's contract in order to do so. That's not how one improves a hockey roster and it's "marketing suicide" no matter when or how you slice it. The logistics are nonsensical and the optics would reek of desperation. If anyone at TNSE made that suggestion to management, they'd be laughed out of the room and probably fired.

Trading for Toews wouldn't increase ticket sales. This isn't the CFL. In fact, it'd make the team objectively worse both in terms of roster and salary cap implications.

Your ideas were bad when you first suggested then. You know what's changed since then? Nothing.

This season's results reflect on literally everyone in the organization (management, coaches, players). That's how it works in reality and you don't adequately address widespread issues by singling out individuals. That's why Maurice resigning didn't fix anything or improve the team.

So, a full audit needs to be conducted, but I think it goes without saying the first step in addressing the failures of 2021-22 should be a new coaching staff. The team needs coaches who can implement better systems to address the deficiencies we've seen with this team going back roughly three seasons. But this pseudo-rebuild narrative is utter nonsense; the team doesn't need to be blown up.

Last thing: Copp wasn't going to re-sign here, hence his being treaded at the deadline. You should just accept that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 23, 2022, 07:12:47 PM
Players have been traded regularly because they have no place to move into, and therefore no chance of re-signing them.

Trouba, Laine, Copp...  all traded because they could not get the minutes or position they needed to stay.  Trouba, he had other reasons as well, but Laine and Copp, we moved on from two very good players because of other players on the team. 

I'm just saying, addition by subtraction, opening up opportunity for new players (that we know have the ability and potential) to achieve more by removing obstacles above them. 

And at the same time, creating a new leadership dynamic to replace the one that has failed to produce any real results.

Guaranteed to get better?  Of course not.  But will we get better with the current group?  Haven't in the last 5 years... change s good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2022, 08:01:59 PM
Players have been traded regularly because they have no place to move into, and therefore no chance of re-signing them.

Trouba, Laine, Copp...  all traded because they could not get the minutes or position they needed to stay.  Trouba, he had other reasons as well, but Laine and Copp, we moved on from two very good players because of other players on the team. 

I'm just saying, addition by subtraction, opening up opportunity for new players (that we know have the ability and potential) to achieve more by removing obstacles above them. 

And at the same time, creating a new leadership dynamic to replace the one that has failed to produce any real results.

Guaranteed to get better?  Of course not.  But will we get better with the current group?  Haven't in the last 5 years... change s good.

Copp also wants $$$$ that the Jets were not willing to pay him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 24, 2022, 01:58:46 AM
Players have been traded regularly because they have no place to move into, and therefore no chance of re-signing them.

Trouba, Laine, Copp...  all traded because they could not get the minutes or position they needed to stay.  Trouba, he had other reasons as well, but Laine and Copp, we moved on from two very good players because of other players on the team. 

I'm just saying, addition by subtraction, opening up opportunity for new players (that we know have the ability and potential) to achieve more by removing obstacles above them. 

And at the same time, creating a new leadership dynamic to replace the one that has failed to produce any real results.

Guaranteed to get better?  Of course not.  But will we get better with the current group?  Haven't in the last 5 years... change s good.

What good are false equivalencies to an already feeble argument rife with inconsistent points and logical fallacies? Your imaginary trade involving two players you don't like anymore has absolutely no correlation to any of those players who are no longer here, much less your revisionist history which seems like nothing more than a sad attempt to put management in a bad light (and probably Scheifele and Wheeler, too - somehow).

1. Trouba was averaging over 22 minutes per game in his final two seasons with this team. The only defenseman getting more ice time than him over that stretch was Byfuglien. Trouba never seemed interested in wanting to stay long term (which is unfortunate because he and Morrissey had solid chemistry as a pairing) and that's sometimes how it shakes out in today's NHL despite the best efforts of the team to retain that player. You can't fault management for that situation and the Jets were able to get Pionk in return.
2. Laine is an interesting situation because the full story never seemed to come to light. He wanted a top line role but struggled with consistency when the opportunities were presented. Bringing up Laine is also somewhat hilarious not only considering you're the biggest fan of who the team got in the trade but also because his being traded didn't negatively affect this team's offensive prowess (Connor has since stepped up and the powerplay has neither improved nor worsened). Cheveldayoff himself admitted last January that he opted to make the trade because getting Dubois would solidify the team down the middle, but at the price of losing a lethal winger. Again, that's sometimes how it goes, so it's a bit disingenuous to claim Laine was traded because of other players on this team. Unless you're the type to believe unfounded rumours and hearsay, but that should have no place in this discussion.
3. Copp is a pending UFA who made no indication he wanted to re-sign here past this season. His playing time steadily increased over the past few seasons and he fit his role extremely well with the Jets. He was a solid top 9 player here. Just so you know, he is averaging less ice team with the Rangers since being traded, so you're wrong to state he was moved because of other players on this team.

There are no obstacles keeping players from realizing their potential on this team and there is plenty of opportunity for the players in this organization. But feel free to substantiate your argument; I'm all ears at this point. I anticipate the details being as entertaining as those in your trade idea where the Jets would be forced to negotiate from a point of weakness, retain salary, and become considerably worse as a team. I'll say it for the last time: you don't improve a roster in the NHL by subtraction.

I won't even entertain the "new leadership dynamic" commentary, as it hinges entirely on a trade that makes absolutely no logical, rational, credible sense whatsoever. I'm also not sure what "real results" haven't been produced outside of this season. The Jets have made the playoffs the last four* seasons, winning three rounds during that time. This isn't Stanley Cup or bust; that's not realistic.

Guaranteed to get worse - immediately. Change for the sake of change alone is not good. Assumptions, what ifs, and conjecture do not change that fact.

* qualifiers in 2020

Copp also wants $$$$ that the Jets are not willing to pay him.

He's in his prime as a pending UFA and can maximize his value on the market, so the Jets would have been required to pay a premium to retain him. Same as Tanev back in 2019.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 24, 2022, 04:27:39 PM
Dubois is apparently unhappy with the current situation, and being 2 yrs from UFA, has a lot of control, as expressed on HNIC last night...

Give him the two years of his remaining RFA to put his mark on the team.

Or do you want to trade away another star player?  To salve the current leadership group that is aging out, and will probably not be around by the time we get another real shot...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 24, 2022, 06:46:05 PM
More classically ridiculous commentary. Imagine the misguided belief Scheifele and Morrissey are "aging out"... LMAO :D

Every player is unhappy with not making the playoffs: https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/)

Look at that... Prominent players on this team, regardless of a letter on a jersey, are holding themselves accountable for this failed campaign. It seems, at least from the outside as a fan, as though the players have the right mindset collectively to get things straightened out and get back on track going into next season.

This team has a solid group of players with considerable talent and more than enough to compete for a playoff spot. They need a new coaching staff to guide them, though. That needs to be the first and most important step in the off-season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 24, 2022, 08:00:46 PM
Nice move up for Harkins. gets to start on a line with PLD & 81 tonight while Wheels goes up with Stash & the Fly

Hopeing that StanLee & Samberg enjoy terrific games    Cheering that HellB can keep it down at 3 or less against


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 25, 2022, 01:51:48 AM
More classically ridiculous commentary. Imagine the misguided belief Scheifele and Morrissey are "aging out"... LMAO :D

Every player is unhappy with not making the playoffs: https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/)

Look at that... Prominent players on this team, regardless of a letter on a jersey, are holding themselves accountable for this failed campaign. It seems, at least from the outside as a fan, as though the players have the right mindset collectively to get things straightened out and get back on track going into next season.

This team has a solid group of players with considerable talent and more than enough to compete for a playoff spot. They need a new coaching staff to guide them, though. That needs to be the first and most important step in the off-season.

JM44 is NOT part of the "aging out", and I would never suggest he should be dealt.  His game is improving constantly.

BW26 is on the downside, no one will deny that.  MS55's offensive numbers are ok, but his defensive game is suffering.  Why? 

It all starts at the top.  If Chevy stays in charge, we can expect a recycled coach and the same team leadership structure.  And we will be trading PLD80, and other young assets, who want out...

My point being, if they start at the top, and let the new guys come in and turn the team over to the youth movement, we could see the team on a new path.  If MS55 and BW26 can take support roles without letter on their chests, that's great.  I just can't see that happening. 

A great segment on KC81 improving his D role, including PK.  *That* is what this team needs... and the mention that PLD80 has both taken more penalties than anyone else, but also drawn more penalties... and that while taking penalties is an issue, it is better to start from that point and reduce them rather than try to add that edge into his play.




Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 25, 2022, 01:53:59 AM
Fantastic team victory ?.. quite possibly the best 3 period effort ?? elevated joy in beating Avs

HellB almost perfect, Harkins & Barron were terrific, Dmen had some good answers & the fans loved it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 25, 2022, 09:04:11 PM
OK, who tops your list of replacements for Chevy?

Until today, I did not consider this, I know there are plenty of candidates, and probably more than a handful that bear consideration. 

Do you recycle an old guard GM?

Do you hire a seasoned vet ex-player who is working his way up the management ladder?

Do you hire a younger guy with some new thinking?

Or, do you consider going way off the books...

In my googlefest, the recent Blackhawks GM search came up, with many articles about their top 5 or 7 candidates being considered, and all talked about a name that the executive search consultants suggested.  Toronto Raptors VP Teresa Resch.

Sure, not a "hockey guy".  Not even a "guy".  But apparently an exceptional mind.  The joke around the Raptors organization once Resch?s candidacy was reported was, ?who is going to do all the important jobs now?? 

I understand why an executive search company might suggest going that far off the board, that organization has a lot of work to do changing its image.  Granted, it wasn't sexual assault against women, but still, even the consideration of a female for the top spot is something they can use as positive spin.

But is she a valid candidate to consider?  Would Chipman be willing to make history?  It sounds like she's a legit executive, would she be able to find her way in the old boys club of the NHL?  Would hiring a woman help increase interest in the 51% of the population that is completely un-represented in the sport, and help sagging ticket sales? 

I know it won't happen, hockey and Winnipeg are not ready for a female top "guy".  But I thought it was an interesting thought.  And if it worked, 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2022, 10:24:58 PM
Fantastic team victory ?.. quite possibly the best 3 period effort ?? elevated joy in beating Avs

HellB almost perfect, Harkins & Barron were terrific, Dmen had some good answers & the fans loved it

 I thought the Jets played a good game. The Avs have now lost 4 in a row. Looked to me like they have no interest in the rest regular season. Consistency has been our problem all year. Lets see if we stay focused, and played well for the rest of the year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 01:56:50 AM
First time the Avs have lost four in a row all season. Not a great way to go into the post-season.

Fun game to be at last night, especially the final frame. Nice to see Connor crack 45 goals, Wheeler had a good game, and Hellebuyck was solid.

The Jets put on a pretty good show despite having nothing to play for at this point in the season. That's a good sign looking ahead to next season and should squash any mention of this team needing a rebuild.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 02:39:44 AM
I?m glad you had a great time, I?m personally not impressed by a meaningless game at the end of the season and don?t think it means anything at all for next year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 01:23:34 PM
I?m glad you had a great time,  if I?m personally not impressed by a meaningless game at the end of the season and don?t think it means anything at all for next year.

If?

I'm simply reiterating things with this team aren't as bad as some have suggested when attempting to justify a rebuild of sorts. The Jets are still competitive and the roster has more than enough talent on it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 02:31:23 PM
If?

I'm simply reiterating things with this team aren't as bad as some have suggested when attempting to justify a rebuild of sorts. The Jets are still competitive and the roster has more than enough talent on it.

Typo - was on my phone.

Honestly, we don't know how bad this is yet. We're hoping it's a blip, but we are right against the cap with little room to manoeuvre. If things aren't significantly different next season, something will have to give.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 02:37:56 PM
Typo - was on my phone.

Honestly, we don't know how bad this is yet. We're hoping it's a blip, but we are right against the cap with little room to manoeuvre. If things aren't significantly different next season, something will have to give.

The Jets are projected to have more than $16M in cap space in the upcoming off-season: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 04:51:50 PM
The Jets are projected to have more than $16M in cap space in the upcoming off-season: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets)

But how many players do we need to sign with that money?

It's not like we have 16M for upgrades.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
But how many players do we need to sign with that money?

It's not like we have 16M for upgrades.

I'm not following. You said the team's right up against the cap, which isn't true.

The link has all the information as to FAs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 05:26:52 PM
I'm not following. You said the team's right up against the cap, which isn't true.

The link has all the information as to FAs.

The team is currently right up against the cap - it has limited our ability to call up players this season.

Next season - guys like PLD, Stas, Comrie, etc. Don't have contracts yet, so we have "cap room", but we still have to fill out our roster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
The team is currently right up against the cap - it has limited our ability to call up players this season.

Next season - guys like PLD, Stas, Comrie, etc. Don't have contracts yet, so we have "cap room", but we still have to fill out our roster.

It's certainly more complicated than that (one-way vs. two-way contracts, waivers exemptions, etc.). What players haven't been called up who should've been, though? The Moose are also gearing up for their post-season.

Dubois is a RFA with arbitration eligibility, so he'll be getting a decent raise (Appleton, Svechnikov, and Harkins are also arbitration eligible but won't be commanding such similar increases). Stastny and Comrie are both UFAs, so how those two shake out remains to be seen. However, $16M or so should be able to cover filling out the roster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2022, 06:08:54 PM
PL80-  RFA    5M                 2 Year Bridge 7M
PS25- UFA   3.75M             1 year extension 3.75M.
ZS13- UFA   2M.                 ????
MA22- RFA   900K              2 year 1.5M
ES73   RFA   750K              2 year deal 900K
JH12   RFA   725K              2 year  900K
EC1    UFA    750K              2 year 1.25M                 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 26, 2022, 06:09:23 PM
Expiring contracts...  either re-sign or replace with FA or prospects:

Dubois (RFA)
Stasny
Sanford
Appleton (RFA)
Svechnikov (RFA)
Harkins (RFA)
Brooks
Comrie

All our D are under contract already.

So, half the $16M goes to Dubois, maybe more if long term, less if bridge.

Comrie will get $1.5 to 2, has shown he's worth that...

the rest of the RFA's are in the 750k - 1.2 mil range... pretty easy to spend to the cap if they pick up even one FA... or re-sign Stasny


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 06:19:31 PM
I'd like to get rid of one or more of the D pieces if possible.

Samberg needs to be in the line-up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2022, 06:22:18 PM
I don't think we are moving JM44. So it would be either NP4 or NS88, both around 6M per.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 26, 2022, 06:47:28 PM
I'd like to get rid of one or more of the D pieces if possible.

Samberg needs to be in the line-up.

The only D movable (without NTC or a letter on his chest or making too much) is Brendan Dillon at 3.9 mil... so, tradeable... the others would probably be hard to trade, but might not clear waivers if you want to take that route... can you put a guy with an M-NTC on waivers? 

The D corps sees to be a bit cap heavy, Schmidt has a role outside his play, not sure if that's worth $6mil, and Pionk does have upside. Demelo is a solid M'eh and if he could be moved, i have no problem swapping Dylans in the lineup...

Might see a little movement on or before draft day...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 07:20:12 PM
I'd like to get rid of one or more of the D pieces if possible.

Samberg needs to be in the line-up.

The only way I see that working is via trade. But that would likely have to involve another defenseman coming back, so it'd be wash.

Samberg probably move between the Moose and the Jets unless he can solidify his role with the latter. He's the most flexible in terms of his ELC and being waivers exempt.

The only D movable (without NTC or a letter on his chest or making too much) is Brendan Dillon at 3.9 mil... so, tradeable... the others would probably be hard to trade, but might not clear waivers if you want to take that route... can you put a guy with an M-NTC on waivers? 

The D corps sees to be a bit cap heavy, Schmidt has a role outside his play, not sure if that's worth $6mil, and Pionk does have upside. Demelo is a solid M'eh and if he could be moved, i have no problem swapping Dylans in the lineup...

Might see a little movement on or before draft day...

Dillon's a known commodity with size and grit (both of which were missing prior his acquisition). What's coming back the other way in a trade?

Movement clauses don't determine whether or not a player can be put on waivers, IIRC. What would putting a player on waivers accomplish in this instance, though?

The blue line accounts for roughly $27M or about a third of the cap. That isn't necessarily cap heavy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 26, 2022, 11:58:20 PM
In Cap Friendly under Positional Breakdown ....... the Jets do spend the 5th most amongst teams on their Dmen


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 27, 2022, 12:23:14 AM
Jets definitely need an upgrade on their bottom 6 fwds especially the 4th line ...... but under contract I think the cupboard is not that full

With basically the Moose, IMO, there is only Perfetti at the moment who may get into the Top 6 (perhaps in a couple of years)
Other players like Reichel, Gustafsson & Vesalainen will compete at TC ...... others are getting over 26 yrs already or kind of MEH in offensive numbers
 
The Moose lineup during the year has been super strong in team Defense with nothing exceptional in SV% from 4 goalies used.
..... plus getting real good offensive #'s from Dmen in Gawanke, Heinola, when there, & Kovacevic who I think will be a strong candidate in TC
Incidently: GM Craig Heisinger  has juggled the comings & goings of 45 players with 14 on D, 4 in goal & a crazy 27 fwds

If Chevy is kicked to the curb perhaps Chipman will promote Heisinger


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 27, 2022, 03:12:19 PM
The only way I see that working is via trade. But that would likely have to involve another defenseman coming back, so it'd be wash.

Samberg probably move between the Moose and the Jets unless he can solidify his role with the latter. He's the most flexible in terms of his ELC and being waivers exempt.

Dillon's a known commodity with size and grit (both of which were missing prior his acquisition). What's coming back the other way in a trade?

Movement clauses don't determine whether or not a player can be put on waivers, IIRC. What would putting a player on waivers accomplish in this instance, though?

The blue line accounts for roughly $27M or about a third of the cap. That isn't necessarily cap heavy.

Again, moving players is done by trade (if you can find a trading partner) or finding a way to move on from a player (someone taking them on the waiver wire).  It is always preferrable to get something in return, but sometimes you need to give something away to deal an unfavourable contract. 

Joel Armia was the cost of dumping a contract.  To get rd of Mason's deal, we gave up Armia and 2 DP's (4th and 7th).  If we need to make cap space, as well as playing space for Samberg (yes, his ELC waiver exemption is handy, but do you want to yoyo him when he's shown he is ready for primetime?).  Moving a Dillon/Dyan to make room for Dylan saves cap space and opens up a development spot.

Samberg has grit, as do many of our current D, and more of our F than before.  Grit is not an issue today.

Having the 5th most expensive D in the league, and having people question if it is any good is not solid cap management... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 27, 2022, 03:29:23 PM
Again, moving players is done by trade (if you can find a trading partner) or finding a way to move on from a player (someone taking them on the waiver wire).  It is always preferrable to get something in return, but sometimes you need to give something away to deal an unfavourable contract. 

Joel Armia was the cost of dumping a contract.  To get rd of Mason's deal, we gave up Armia and 2 DP's (4th and 7th).  If we need to make cap space, as well as playing space for Samberg (yes, his ELC waiver exemption is handy, but do you want to yoyo him when he's shown he is ready for primetime?).  Moving a Dillon/Dyan to make room for Dylan saves cap space and opens up a development spot.

Samberg has grit, as do many of our current D, and more of our F than before.  Grit is not an issue today.

Having the 5th most expensive D in the league, and having people question if it is any good is not solid cap management... 

Why would we move our most physical D-man (Dillon) with the small group we have? Get rid of a player like NS88 who plays soft, and can't move players in front of our net. Sure he's a moves the puck well, but so does NP4 and JM44.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 27, 2022, 05:05:58 PM
Again, moving players is done by trade (if you can find a trading partner) or finding a way to move on from a player (someone taking them on the waiver wire).  It is always preferrable to get something in return, but sometimes you need to give something away to deal an unfavourable contract. 

Joel Armia was the cost of dumping a contract.  To get rd of Mason's deal, we gave up Armia and 2 DP's (4th and 7th).  If we need to make cap space, as well as playing space for Samberg (yes, his ELC waiver exemption is handy, but do you want to yoyo him when he's shown he is ready for primetime?).  Moving a Dillon/Dyan to make room for Dylan saves cap space and opens up a development spot.

Samberg has grit, as do many of our current D, and more of our F than before.  Grit is not an issue today.

You failed to explain what's resolved by trading a player like Dillon (whether one feels the need to "dump" his contract or not) but at least you're willing to admit it's contingent on finding a trade partner. You also failed to explain how placing a defenseman on waivers accomplishes anything, especially if he clears and gets sent to the minors.

With regard to Mason, it's more complicated than you've made it out to be. Hellebuyck was due a substantial raise in the 2018 off-season after a career campaign in which he set multiple franchise and league records, so having Mason's $4.1M cap hit off the books helped facilitate that new contract (the Canadiens were then on the hook for his buyout for the next two seasons). The Jets then acquired Brossoit as a UFA to take Mason's place. Armia was but one piece of that equation - and a depth piece, at that. But how does any of that relate to whatever it is you're proposing here to improve the team's roster by deleting from the blue line? Who's the cost of dumping a contract this time around? Moreover, it's not like Dillon or Schmidt have short terms left on their contracts, so the comparison to Mason seems pretty unfounded.

You don't improve a roster by simply getting rid of experienced players without suitable replacements, and you also don't just "open up a development spot" on the Jets' roster for the sake of doing so; that's what the AHL is for. If Samberg is ready to take the next step, then he'll get a roster spot with the big club (FWIW, he's played all of 12 games in the NHL) and earn his keep. Same goes for any young prospect in the organization (Heinola, Lundmark, Chisholm, etc.). That's how the development process works and why the ELC exemptions are beneficial in that regard.

Having the 5th most expensive D in the league, and having people question if it is any good is not solid cap management... 

This statement above is a logical fallacy.

The Blues spend roughly as much on their blue line as the Jets do, but they're in the playoffs (the Avs and the Wild spend similar amounts and are, too). Conversely, the Kings spend the least of any NHL team on their blue line (18.4%) and they're in the playoffs. The Florida Panthers are the best team in the NHL but they're 27th in blue line spending (19.2%).

Correlation does not imply causation. You're either failing to grasp the complexities of cap management in the NHL or you're trivializing things due to bias. Possibly both.

Why would we move our most physical D-man (Dillon) with the small group we have? Get rid of a player like NS88 who plays soft, and can't move players in front of our net. Sure he's a moves the puck well, but so does NP4 and JM44.

Schmidt has a M-NTC he'd have to waive in order to get rid of him. And would getting rid of him solve anything?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 27, 2022, 06:55:16 PM
Hope that coach Lowry keeps Barron on the line with Appleton & Lowry tonight while sending Sanford on the ice with Tonn & Svech

Comrie in goal with Stanley in the Press Box while 88 gets back into the lineup

Anybody else hear that 55 hasn't even been in town lately ??


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 27, 2022, 07:34:27 PM
Hope that coach Lowry keeps Barron on the line with Appleton & Lowry tonight while sending Sanford on the ice with Tonn & Svech

Comrie in goal with Stanley in the Press Box while 88 gets back into the lineup

Anybody else hear that 55 hasn't even been in town lately ??

I saw him at Peavy Mart last week. It also not uncommon for players to leave Winnipeg when there on long term IR. NE27 went back to Denmark when he was injured. CP91 went home to Ontario. MS55 parents live in Ontario, maybe he went for a visit.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 27, 2022, 09:32:00 PM
Well lets see which Jets team shows up tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 28, 2022, 01:45:11 AM
Not very consistent play but HORRAY young Comrie was Mr Calmly in net


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2022, 03:47:14 AM
Love to see KC81 get 50. Like to see PL80 get another PP goal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 28, 2022, 12:13:25 PM
Comrie was lights out last night. The Flyers are abysmal but he had a great game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 28, 2022, 01:16:45 PM
Love to see KC81 get 50. Like to see PL80 get another PP goal.

50 is probably out of reach, but was happy to see him get the Jets goals and points records.

Nice to see players that were drafted here take the records as opposed to former Thrashers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 28, 2022, 02:09:07 PM
Good write-up by Wiebe: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/)

Plenty of question marks heading into this unfortunately early off-season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 28, 2022, 02:44:25 PM
Looks like the Jets also signed their 2021 first round pick, C Chaz Lucius, to an entry level contract yesterday: https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-chaz-lucius-1.1791879 (https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-chaz-lucius-1.1791879)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2022, 03:27:58 PM
Good write-up by Wiebe: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/)

Plenty of question marks heading into this unfortunately early off-season.

NP4 another player taking responsibility for his poor performance this year. CP91 knows he needs to get stronger and faster. He has all the skills, just needs the strength, and a little more quickness.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 28, 2022, 04:24:31 PM
Dennis Beyak announces retirement: https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/ (https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/)

Kinda crummy news. He's been a pretty solid play-by-play announcer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2022, 06:52:07 PM
Dennis Beyak announces retirement: https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/ (https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/)

Kinda crummy news. He's been a pretty solid play-by-play announcer.

Not liking this news.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 28, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
Dennis is the best in the business. Horrible news.

He's the friendly familiar voice you hear from fall to spring during the depths of winter. Every September I'd tune into the start of Jets pre-season and think "oh, there's that voice I missed all summer!"

A real staple of Jets 2.0 and the "feels" I get for this team. Huge, huge loss.

So no Bob for Bomber ball or Dennis for hockey in 2022. So sad but enjoy retirement!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 29, 2022, 01:33:10 PM
Well, just another reason to sweep out the entire front office...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 29, 2022, 03:22:49 PM
Anybody else hear that 55 hasn't even been in town lately ??

https://twitter.com/MitchellClinton/status/1520060939558600705 (https://twitter.com/MitchellClinton/status/1520060939558600705)

It doesn't seem like he left.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 29, 2022, 05:32:30 PM
Well, just another reason to sweep out the entire front office...


 :D :D

You're silly.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Calgary in tonight. Will be interesting to see who will be in there lineup tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 30, 2022, 06:46:51 AM
Very slow to match Flames puck management for near the first 1/2 of initial period, and HellB kept them in. Then WOWEE, such a great effort going forth. 
Both goalies were having terrific games and so happy that HellB proved a real gamer tonight
Many A-1 scoring chances, especially Jet players, had me thinking this might have been an 8-4 finish

Seattle, who incidentally won 3-0 tonight, will check, check on Sunday so hopefully Jets finish often


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 01, 2022, 06:37:12 PM
So... Jets get to play hockey in May... unfortunately its a make up game...

Just looking at the roster, and wondering how we got so unbalanced, left and right...

On the roster, we have 1 RW listed (BW26)

We have 2 RH D (Np4, DD2)

We have 3 RH skaters (MA22, MS55, BW26)

What kind of GM hands a coach that unbalanced a lineup?   If they don't re-sign MA22 and trade MS55 and BW26 (chuckle), no RH skaters left...

Having that many players playing off their natural position... yikes... and RH shots on the PP, have to wonder if that's why NP4 is on the PP...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on May 01, 2022, 08:30:53 PM
^ This weird narrative of yours that nobody serious in the hockey world shares is bordering on trolling at this point


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on May 01, 2022, 08:37:14 PM
and that?s a wrap for the 2021-22 campaign. Disappointing to be sure and the org needs to figure out how to right the ship. Still always somber when the season ends regardless of the result. On to 2022-23!

Thanks for the first 11 years of Jets 2.0, Dennis. You are a class act and the best in the business!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 01, 2022, 09:27:41 PM
I can't believe that your just figuring out our lack of RW, and players in general that shot right.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 01, 2022, 09:28:44 PM
Really is a wrenching reality of missing the playoffs for all involved including we, the fans
Happy at least to see the comeback & win by a goal today.  Well done Comrie, Wheels, Harkins, Barrron & of course the great #81.
Nice 4 game win streak to end the season

Beyak heard some heartfelt words from many and then graced our ears with a very nice going away gift


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on May 01, 2022, 11:31:34 PM
MS55 is done - aards was correct. 

I still say Chevy needs to go - need a new vision, need a new plan. 

It will be a long time before I pay to see the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 12:54:21 AM
Wow... wondering if Chevy can get Laine value for MS55...   He's on a team friendly contract...

A top 6 RW would be nice, a top RW optimal, if not a top RW, then a 2nd RW and dp / prospect...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 02, 2022, 01:16:47 AM
MS55 is done - aards was correct. 

I still say Chevy needs to go - need a new vision, need a new plan. 

It will be a long time before I pay to see the Jets.

Chevy has been signed to an extension.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: The Zipp on May 02, 2022, 09:00:42 AM
Chevy has been signed to an extension.

Yah.  Saw that last night. Mistake IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
MS55 is done - aards was correct. 

LOL

Yah.  Saw that last night. Mistake IMO.

LOL


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 02, 2022, 01:59:15 PM
Am I missing some gossip or fact to do with ?MS55 is done? ?
Someone please clarify if their is a confirmation or just ?wishing and hoping ?  ?? thanks


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
If Chevy gets a three year extension, then I guess we won't see a lot of change...  but it was interesting to see the Jets fans in my social media feeds all doing a 180 on MS55 after his new comments about "doing what's best for me", and "I'm in the prime of my career"...  both smack of "team first"... NOT!

If you are looking for new scenery, the best way to let your GM make a deal for you is broadcast it that you want out.  Drive the price way down, put your GM in a no win, thanks.Let everyone know you need to be moved before the season...

BW26 has made a very solid turn around since the comments made earlier, and I'm good with him not getting moved.  He can either wear the "C" as PLD80 works with an "A" towards the "C".  Or, can take the support role of an "A" behind PLD80 with the "C".  Whether it was post covid blah's, Maurice withdrawl or dealing with MS55's pending departure (you have to think the room knew this a while ago), I think he has turned a corner.  The last few games, he's been pretty darned good, Stashny might be worth resigning after all, keeping 26, 25, 27 together might be a good fit.  NE27 has looked magical out there, reminds me of Burmistrov but good.  The way he skates on the periphery and then sees a hole in the D and dives in like a hawk to the net, draws everyone in, and makes a no-look pass on the tape, amazing.

Need a top notch RW back for MS55.. someone that can play with PLD80 and KC81.  Top two lines of 81,80, x and 25, 26, 27 would be an awesome

Am I missing some gossip or fact to do with ?MS55 is done? ?
Someone please clarify if their is a confirmation or just ?wishing and hoping ?  ?? thanks

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-have-to-determine-mark-scheifeles-future-ahead-of-critical-off-season/

?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.

?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?



WINNIPEG ? The intensity of the organizational audit is about to ramp up exponentially, but the individual conducting the internal investigation is going nowhere.

Although there has yet to be a formal announcement, Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff has been given a three-year contract extension to continue to run the hockey team.

Thanks to a 4-3 win over the Seattle Kraken on Sunday afternoon, the Jets have officially entered what could be the most important off-season in franchise history.

With a record of 39-32-11, the Jets finished in sixth place in the Central Division, missing the playoffs eight points behind the Nashville Predators for the second and final wild-card berth in the Western Conference.

Cheveldayoff is the only GM the Jets have known since the franchise relocated to Winnipeg in 2011 and he?s got some important decisions to make as it pertains to the direction of the hockey club and its roster composition.
'I just have to understand where this team is going' Scheifele mulls future with Jets
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Near the top of that list of priorities is determining the future of centre Mark Scheifele.

Scheifele missed the final nine games of the season with a shoulder injury but he finished second in team scoring with 29 goals and 70 points - marking the sixth consecutive campaign that he?s been a point-per-game player.

But with only two years left on his current contract (which carries an average annual value of $6.125 million) and some concerns being raised about his level of defensive play, it?s possible that the Jets will be entertaining trade offers for Scheifele, who will have no shortage of suitors if he ends up being available.

Scheifele spoke to reporters for the first time since suffering the injury after taking a hit from Ottawa Senators forward Parker Kelly on April 10 and he sounded like a guy who was unclear about whether or not he will be sticking around.

?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.

?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?

The timing of the injury meant Scheifele had already taken some time for careful reflection and he shared some of those thoughts about the need to turn the page.

?It?s one of those years you look back on and some of it?s a blur and some of it?s really clear. It?s definitely a year I?ll try to forget a little bit,? said Scheifele. ?It was a tough one, from a lot of things, COVID, injuries, coach leaving, a new coach coming in, all that stuff. Olympics, yeah, I?d forgotten about that already. It?s one of those years where it sucked, it was a crappy ending. But like I said before you can?t dwell on it too long, you have to reflect and think about the good and the bad and the ugly and come back better next year.?


https://twitter.com/i/status/1521130754188754945


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 02, 2022, 02:50:07 PM
If Chevy gets a three year extension, then I guess we won't see a lot of change...  but it was interesting to see the Jets fans in my social media feeds all doing a 180 on MS55 after his new comments about "doing what's best for me", and "I'm in the prime of my career"...  both smack of "team first"... NOT!

If you are looking for new scenery, the best way to let your GM make a deal for you is broadcast it that you want out.  Drive the price way down, put your GM in a no win, thanks.Let everyone know you need to be moved before the season...

BW26 has made a very solid turn around since the comments made earlier, and I'm good with him not getting moved.  He can either wear the "C" as PLD80 works with an "A" towards the "C".  Or, can take the support role of an "A" behind PLD80 with the "C".  Whether it was post covid blah's, Maurice withdrawl or dealing with MS55's pending departure (you have to think the room knew this a while ago), I think he has turned a corner.  The last few games, he's been pretty darned good, Stashny might be worth resigning after all, keeping 26, 25, 27 together might be a good fit.  NE27 has looked magical out there, reminds me of Burmistrov but good.  The way he skates on the periphery and then sees a hole in the D and dives in like a hawk to the net, draws everyone in, and makes a no-look pass on the tape, amazing.

Need a top notch RW back for MS55.. someone that can play with PLD80 and KC81.  Top two lines of 81,80, x and 25, 26, 27 would be an awesome

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-have-to-determine-mark-scheifeles-future-ahead-of-critical-off-season/

?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.

?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?



WINNIPEG ? The intensity of the organizational audit is about to ramp up exponentially, but the individual conducting the internal investigation is going nowhere.

Although there has yet to be a formal announcement, Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff has been given a three-year contract extension to continue to run the hockey team.

Thanks to a 4-3 win over the Seattle Kraken on Sunday afternoon, the Jets have officially entered what could be the most important off-season in franchise history.

With a record of 39-32-11, the Jets finished in sixth place in the Central Division, missing the playoffs eight points behind the Nashville Predators for the second and final wild-card berth in the Western Conference.

Cheveldayoff is the only GM the Jets have known since the franchise relocated to Winnipeg in 2011 and he?s got some important decisions to make as it pertains to the direction of the hockey club and its roster composition.
'I just have to understand where this team is going' Scheifele mulls future with Jets
Current Time 0:00
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Near the top of that list of priorities is determining the future of centre Mark Scheifele.

Scheifele missed the final nine games of the season with a shoulder injury but he finished second in team scoring with 29 goals and 70 points - marking the sixth consecutive campaign that he?s been a point-per-game player.

But with only two years left on his current contract (which carries an average annual value of $6.125 million) and some concerns being raised about his level of defensive play, it?s possible that the Jets will be entertaining trade offers for Scheifele, who will have no shortage of suitors if he ends up being available.

Scheifele spoke to reporters for the first time since suffering the injury after taking a hit from Ottawa Senators forward Parker Kelly on April 10 and he sounded like a guy who was unclear about whether or not he will be sticking around.

?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.

?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?

The timing of the injury meant Scheifele had already taken some time for careful reflection and he shared some of those thoughts about the need to turn the page.

?It?s one of those years you look back on and some of it?s a blur and some of it?s really clear. It?s definitely a year I?ll try to forget a little bit,? said Scheifele. ?It was a tough one, from a lot of things, COVID, injuries, coach leaving, a new coach coming in, all that stuff. Olympics, yeah, I?d forgotten about that already. It?s one of those years where it sucked, it was a crappy ending. But like I said before you can?t dwell on it too long, you have to reflect and think about the good and the bad and the ugly and come back better next year.?


Man your up and down and all over the map. Get rid of BW26, kept him. He's done, no he's not.

AL17 or CP91 are 2nd. line C. Now kept PS25 play him with 26/27. Now AL17 and CP91 are not 2nd. line C. 

Get rid of Chevy, we have no RW, really we haven't had any since we traded PL29, and JR.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 02, 2022, 02:55:36 PM
Shortly after asking about MS55 , took the time to find that short clip of his comments after the game

Certainly a young man who might think he?s been slighted by organization pieces
Is there a big chance that his ego wants it his way. Is this a Rodgers personality in a Jet uni ?
Is he disturbed by the success  of PLD and the potentially big bump in $$ for Dubois ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 03:11:28 PM
Shortly after asking about MS55 , took the time to find that short clip of his comments after the game

Certainly a young man who might think he?s been slighted by organization pieces
Is there a big chance that his ego wants it his way. Is this a Rodgers personality in a Jet uni ?
Is he disturbed by the success  of PLD and the potentially big bump in $$ for Dubois ?

There is no doubt in my mind that Dubois will get the same or more money as MS55 in a bridge, and BW26 money in a max term deal, either way, MS55 will be slighted.  That will make MS55 the defacto "1b"C... and defiantly not the shiny new toy he once was...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 03:34:47 PM
The mental gymnastics in this thread lately are just embarrassing to see.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 03:40:06 PM
Looks like Lowry, Kompon, and Huddy are gone. Only Flaherty will remain on the coaching staff.

Now to find some proper coaches.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 04:12:35 PM
The mental gymnastics in this thread lately are just embarrassing to see.

Things change, dynamics change, players get injured, get slighted, and get healthy...

The last handful of games saw BW26 really take flight, especially with PS25 and NE27.   They have really meshed, and I would love to see that dynamic into next year by signing PS25 for another year.  Gives CP91 a year to mature, either filling in for injury, or taking the wing with KC81 and PLD80.

I was done with MS55 after identitygate, but this me-me-me statement really got my goat.  Of course, every player has to do what is best for themselves, that is a given.  But throwing the whole organization under the bus, well...

Coaching staff will be tough, I hope Chevy doesn't miss out on an opportunity here.  I have no idea who is out there, or who would fit, or who is going to be available after the playoffs (Does Toronto make a change after getting swept in 4?), but that should be a focus of the team right now.  Lowry, Kompon and Huddy have been m'eh at best, definitely not getting the most out of our players.  No doubt a clean slate and a new coaching style from the ground up will be welcomed by the players.  Flaherty has been solid in working with the goalers, and I don't think any new coach will have an issue bringing him into their group. 

The cap and team dynamic will be OK going forward with BW26, I've changed my mind on that.  But MS55 has played his last game as a Jet as far as I can tell, I just hope he hasn't killed Chevy's ability to get something good in return for him... like he did for Laine... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 04:32:57 PM
Things change, dynamics change, players get injured, get slighted, and get healthy...

The last handful of games saw BW26 really take flight, especially with PS25 and NE27.   They have really meshed, and I would love to see that dynamic into next year by signing PS25 for another year.  Gives CP91 a year to mature, either filling in for injury, or taking the wing with KC81 and PLD80.

I was done with MS55 after identitygate, but this me-me-me statement really got my goat.  Of course, every player has to do what is best for themselves, that is a given.  But throwing the whole organization under the bus, well...

Coaching staff will be tough, I hope Chevy doesn't miss out on an opportunity here.  I have no idea who is out there, or who would fit, or who is going to be available after the playoffs (Does Toronto make a change after getting swept in 4?), but that should be a focus of the team right now.  Lowry, Kompon and Huddy have been m'eh at best, definitely not getting the most out of our players.  No doubt a clean slate and a new coaching style from the ground up will be welcomed by the players.  Flaherty has been solid in working with the goalers, and I don't think any new coach will have an issue bringing him into their group. 

The cap and team dynamic will be OK going forward with BW26, I've changed my mind on that.  But MS55 has played his last game as a Jet as far as I can tell, I just hope he hasn't killed Chevy's ability to get something good in return for him... like he did for Laine... 

Aaaaaaaand what a shocker. More mental gymnastics.

Scheifele answered questions from the media. He answered them candidly and honestly. He never threw anyone under the bus. He never made it all about him. He even mentioned how he needs to improve his game. He wants to know the direction of where this team is headed vis a vis his own aspirations and future in the league. Leave it loathsome, crusty, ignorant fans to crap all over him for that, twist his words, and spew obvious fabrications about him and his character. The narrative never changes.

Weird how other players have spoken in similar tones recently and were conversely admired for their candour. That's just bias at play and it's a pretty bad look for any fanbase to pick and choose in such subjective, sometimes homerish, ways.

Despite his successful offensive production, consistent with previous seasons, Scheifele has become this season's fall guy in Jetsville. Last year, it was Hellebuyck. The year before that, Wheeler. It's the same garbage regardless of how the team performs.

It's easy to fixate on an individual and point fingers at him, especially behind a screen. It does nothing for an argument in terms of how to improve an entire team, though.

And don't lie. You were done with Scheifele long before any of those "indentity" comments he made. Best part: he wasn't wrong. At all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 02, 2022, 04:38:24 PM
Aaaaaaaand what a shocker. More mental gymnastics.

Scheifele answered questions from the media. He answered them candidly and honestly. He never threw anyone under the bus. He never made it all about him. He even mentioned how he needs to improve his game. He wants to know the direction of where this team is headed vis a vis his own aspirations and future in the league. Leave it loathsome, crusty, ignorant fans to crap all over him for that, twist his words, and spew obvious fabrications about him and his character. The narrative never changes.

Weird how other players have spoken in similar tones recently and were conversely admired for their candour. That's just bias at play and it's a pretty bad look for any fanbase to pick and choose in such subjective, sometimes homerish, ways.

Despite his successful offensive production, consistent with previous seasons, Scheifele has become this season's fall guy in Jetsville. Last year, it was Hellebuyck. The year before that, Wheeler. It's the same garbage regardless of how the team performs.

It's easy to fixate on an individual and point fingers at him, especially behind a screen. It does nothing for an argument in terms of how to improve an entire team, though.

And don't lie. You were done with Scheifele long before any of those "indentity" comments he made. Best part: he wasn't wrong. At all.

I think you're going too far in the opposite direction.

There have been multiple players publically calling out teammates for playing for themselves and not as part of a system. Something is wrong and there are certain players who have been noticed by their peers.

I would arge that MS comments were all about him. Went out of his way to say he was happy with his game (responding to unspoken criticism). I was not a fan of how he spoke - thought I recognize that he simply wants to be a part of a contending team at this point of his career and probably just doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild - if that's where our team was headed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 05:02:23 PM
I think you're going too far in the opposite direction.

There have been multiple players publically calling out teammates for playing for themselves and not as part of a system. Something is wrong and there are certain players who have been noticed by their peers.

I would arge that MS comments were all about him. Went out of his way to say he was happy with his game (responding to unspoken criticism). I was not a fan of how he spoke - thought I recognize that he simply wants to be a part of a contending team at this point of his career and probably just doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild - if that's where our team was headed.

How so?

On the one hand, players have made accusations but fans and the media are left to fill in the gaps. Considering how Scheifele has been a target of both for a while now, the comments can be open to interpretation at either end of the spectrum here.

Considering the questions posed, I'm not sure what else he could've said to make his answers more palatable to those who appear to dislike him and want to single him out as some problem child on the team who should be traded immediately.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 02, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
Looks like Lowry, Kompon, and Huddy are gone. Only Flaherty will remain on the coaching staff.

Now to find some proper coaches.

Defensively this team just wasn't good enough. We needed to make this change.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 06:43:33 PM
MS55 is "happy" with his game, but says he is improving... but his stats do not show that... nor his current attitude. 

Wants to see where the team is heading... so people say he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild... but with the parts in place, from CH37 to KC81, the top end of the team is there, so "rebuild" is not a consideration.  When your top D, and your top 2 lines, and top goaler are all set for the next year, how is there even discussion of "rebuild". 

His real concern about "heading" is the relationship between his status and that of PLD80.  THAT is a "direction" issue that concerns MS55.  PLD80 is the first C on this team to threaten MS55's top dog position.  Until we have a new coaching staff in place, we won't know where MS55 fits into the hierarchy.  But that might be too late to get full value dealing him... especially if he gets disgruntled and demands a trade, cutting Chevy's legs out in dealing him.

Move him now, get a top RH D or a top RW plus DP/prospects and we're on to the next phase.  I was worried about BW26, but he has won me back.  He either is over COVID or just found his spot with PS25 and NE27... regardless, he's back.  Removing MS55 might be better for him as well...     


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on May 02, 2022, 06:50:47 PM
MS55 is "happy" with his game, but says he is improving... but his stats do not show that... nor his current attitude. 

Wants to see where the team is heading... so people say he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild... but with the parts in place, from CH37 to KC81, the top end of the team is there, so "rebuild" is not a consideration.  When your top D, and your top 2 lines, and top goaler are all set for the next year, how is there even discussion of "rebuild". 

His real concern about "heading" is the relationship between his status and that of PLD80.  THAT is a "direction" issue that concerns MS55.  PLD80 is the first C on this team to threaten MS55's top dog position.  Until we have a new coaching staff in place, we won't know where MS55 fits into the hierarchy.
  But that might be too late to get full value dealing him... especially if he gets disgruntled and demands a trade, cutting Chevy's legs out in dealing him.

Move him now, get a top RH D or a top RW plus DP/prospects and we're on to the next phase.  I was worried about BW26, but he has won me back.  He either is over COVID or just found his spot with PS25 and NE27... regardless, he's back.  Removing MS55 might be better for him as well...     

Just want to clarify for the public that this is pure speculation


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 06:57:58 PM
MS55 is "happy" with his game, but says he is improving... but his stats do not show that...     

Being happy with one's game (being more than a PPG forward) while acknowledging there's room for improvement are not mutually exclusive statements. The only stat in favour of your lame argument is +/- while you willfully ignore other players (Dubois, Connor, Morrissey) whose +/- stats don't flatter their defensive game, either. But we all know +/- is a junk stat by which to evaluate players and the only real takeaway is that there's a team issue when the majority of its top players are in the minus.

The rest of your commentary is just conjecture based on your dislike of him, both as a player and a person.

Dubois hasn't threatened anything, either. The stats bear out that reality and fly in the face of your exhausting narrative where you prattle on with the same points that go absolutely nowhere and sully this thread.

I was worried about BW26, but he has won me back.    

LOL

You're not fooling anyone with this disingenuous remark.

Just want to clarify for the public that this is pure speculation

Yup.

Mental gymnastics to justify a biased narrative and nothing more.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on May 02, 2022, 10:21:08 PM
Serinvalli ?Jets coaching staff all out?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 03:12:18 PM
Serinvalli ?Jets coaching staff all out?

Except Flaherty, which makes sense, the goalers haven't been an issue, and any new coach should be able to co-exist with any goaler coach...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 03, 2022, 07:05:53 PM
Except Flaherty, which makes sense, the goalers haven't been an issue, and any new coach should be able to co-exist with any goaler coach...

I thought our goalie's for most of the season played very well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 03, 2022, 08:51:08 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that Dubois will get the same or more money as MS55 in a bridge, and BW26 money in a max term deal, either way, MS55 will be slighted.  That will make MS55 the defacto "1b"C... and defiantly not the shiny new toy he once was...

KC81 - 7.1M, MS55 - 6.1M, NE27 - 6M.  I am thinking PL80 is going to get 6.5/7M per. Sure it will be more then MS55 and NE27. Both of these contacts have worked out very well for the Jets. So no I don't think either of these players will fell slighted.  However if the Jets happened to pay PL80 more then KC81, do you think that would PO KC81.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 09:30:57 PM
Does Boudreau get consideration should he shake free?


KC81 - 7.1M, MS55 - 6.1M, NE27 - 6M.  I am thinking PL80 is going to get 6.5/7M per. Sure it will be more then MS55 and NE27. Both of these contacts have worked out very well for the Jets. So no I don't think either of these players will fell slighted.  However if the Jets happened to pay PL80 more then KC81, do you think that would PO KC81.

PLD might bridge at 6.75, but long term its over 8... closer to 9... and of all people, KC81 will be the least concerned about that.  But "what's best for me" MS55... well... nuff said.

There are more media reports coming out saying that PL29 wasn't the issue... that it was BW26 and MS55.... guess I'm not alone. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 03, 2022, 09:44:54 PM
Does Boudreau get consideration should he shake free?


PLD might bridge at 6.75, but long term its over 8... closer to 9... and of all people, KC81 will be the least concerned about that.  But "what's best for me" MS55... well... nuff said.

There are more media reports coming out saying that PL29 wasn't the issue... that it was BW26 and MS55.... guess I'm not alone. 



A agree, enough said already. Won't that be nice not to hear you cry about BW26 and MS55.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 03, 2022, 09:46:12 PM
Lotta real action in moves for the Jets ...... Head coach & staff of assistants will have us waiting each day for this finalization

Currently showing on Cap Friendly for next season;
a need for 1 goalie (Comrie is now unsigned), also 1 Dman as only 6 listed and 7 forward spots of the usual 13 contracts carried
So if we round it out to $64.5M spent already then with the Cap going up a Mill ...... the Jets have $18.M to spend on 9 contracts

So from that $$ what does Dubois get ....... hopefully only $7.M which would leave $11.M to register 8 contracts

Let the fans begin guessing on how to get the math gets done and we field a competitive team  


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 04, 2022, 02:50:40 AM
Lotta real action in moves for the Jets ...... Head coach & staff of assistants will have us waiting each day for this finalization

Currently showing on Cap Friendly for next season;
a need for 1 goalie (Comrie is now unsigned), also 1 Dman as only 6 listed and 7 forward spots of the usual 13 contracts carried
So if we round it out to $64.5M spent already then with the Cap going up a Mill ...... the Jets have $18.M to spend on 9 contracts

So from that $$ what does Dubois get ....... hopefully only $7.M which would leave $11.M to register 8 contracts

Let the fans begin guessing on how to get the math gets done and we field a competitive team  
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I would like to see the Jets do a 2 year bridge deal with PL80 for about 6.5M. This would leave decent money to sign our other FA's. BW26 contract is done in 2 years and then give PL80 the big contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 04, 2022, 05:19:39 AM


I would like to see the Jets do a 2 year bridge deal with PL80 for about 6.5M. This would leave decent money to sign our other FA's. BW26 contract is done in 2 years and then give PL80 the big contract.

Problem with that is he will be UFA... and we have zero control over where he signs...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 04, 2022, 12:50:15 PM
There are more unfounded media reports rumours coming out saying that PL29 wasn't the issue... that it was BW26 and MS55.... guess I'm not alone. 

FTFY


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 04, 2022, 01:07:24 PM
Problem with that is he will be UFA... and we have zero control over where he signs...

I can see it being a bridge just because it's a flat cap right now, and neither team or player will want to sign long-term under these conditions. Chevy said they already discussed that part of it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 04, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
I can see it being a bridge just because it's a flat cap right now, and neither team or player will want to sign long-term under these conditions. Chevy said they already discussed that part of it.

A bridge a player can play out of... but as long as you are ready to extend before the bridge ends, and for a premium over what the open market will bring, its better than nothing.  A long term deal now assures a player of that pay, regardless cap, injury or circumstance.  These are guaranteed contracts, and can be structured favourably for the player.  Yes, the player will give up some earning potential.  But they gain assurances long term.  A long term deal that puts him under contract until he is 31 sets him for life, and still leaves a potential for a final contract at the top of his game. 

The key to a long term deal right now is to assure him this is a place he'd like to make home for a long time.  That starts at the top, as well as in the room....  Chevy is the most important cog in getting him to stay long term, both in what he says and what he does coming into the draft...

Does PLD80 get offer sheeted?  Has Chevy PO'd anyone enough to try?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 04, 2022, 05:14:57 PM
Any player can get an offer sheet. The likelihood is pretty low considering the compensation, though. And consider it's only happened four times in last decade with only one being successful (not matched) for the offering team: Kotkaniemi in 2021 by the Hurricanes.

I can't see it happening in Dubois' case, which could also depend on his arbitration eligibility.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 01:13:03 PM
Barry Trotz is now available.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Barry Trotz is now available.

And...?

Local, sure... but is he the right motivator for this group? 

I am sure a lot of potentials will shake out shortly...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 03:03:04 PM
And...?

Local, sure... but is he the right motivator for this group? 

I am sure a lot of potentials will shake out shortly...

And he'd be the best available coach out there now to address the team's defensive issues.

His being local has nothing to with it. He's a proven winner.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 09, 2022, 03:21:56 PM
And...?

Local, sure... but is he the right motivator for this group? 

I am sure a lot of potentials will shake out shortly...

Aards, this is one of the best coaches (if not the best) in the league.

There is going to be massive competition for his services, we just hope we're in the conversation.

He is in a teir above any other candidate who is or will become available.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 03:27:27 PM
Aards, this is one of the best coaches (if not the best) in the league.

There is going to be massive competition for his services, we just hope we're in the conversation.

He is in a teir above any other candidate who is or will become available.

TNSE needs to pull out all the stops to try and get him here, IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 03:55:54 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/)

I can't think of a better option available to help this roster find a more consistent two-way game and play more responsibly away from the puck.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 09, 2022, 04:01:55 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/)

I can't think of a better option available to help this roster find a more consistent two-way game and play more responsibly away from the puck.

Unfortunately every team with an opening is going to feel the same way.

Including teams who may not have fired their coach, but may if they can land Trotz.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 09, 2022, 05:32:56 PM
Would be an excellent coach for the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2022, 05:37:18 PM
So, from what these fans are saying, he will have the choice of postings. 

What does WPG need to do to make our landing spot more attractive? 

Does he like the type of line up we are icing, are there some parts he really likes, and other he can live without?

Does he like the prospects?

I guess those are the questions...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 05:58:05 PM
Looks like Dubois and Lowry will be joining Team Canada at the IIHF WC starting next week: https://www.tsn.ca/matt-barzal-thomas-chabot-2022-canada-men-s-worlds-roster-1.1797253 (https://www.tsn.ca/matt-barzal-thomas-chabot-2022-canada-men-s-worlds-roster-1.1797253)

Nice opportunity for both to get a medal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 10, 2022, 09:15:33 PM
Hangar Hockey@hangarhockey

"Worst dressing room they (Eakin and Hayes) have ever been in"

"Two players are above the team"


I wonder which two players...  must be Ehlers and Connor...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 11, 2022, 02:21:58 PM
Winnipeg with the 14th pick in this years draft.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 11, 2022, 02:57:30 PM
Winnipeg with the 14th pick in this years draft.

So, it sounds like everyone is hoping Geekie falls that far... not sure that happens...

We usually do OK with mid first rounders...

KC81 went 17th... JM44 13th... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 12, 2022, 12:35:38 PM
Imagine sharing a tweet from Hangar Hockey and using it to fuel your dislike of two hockey players. :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 12, 2022, 03:29:08 PM
Imagine sharing a tweet from Hangar Hockey and using it to fuel your dislike of two hockey players. :D

Well said


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 12, 2022, 03:59:38 PM
Imagine sharing a tweet from Hangar Hockey and using it to fuel your dislike of two hockey players. :D

A tweet.  Did you watch the video?  That was what I was referencing...

Fuel my dislike?  Two guys that have been in the room suggest it is the worst room in hockey and that two specific players are making it that way. 

I get it, one player may have had an axe to grind, but still, is not like they were saying "There's a bit of a tiff in the room".  To say "worst room ever" takes a bit.

Now, current players can't say anything.

Departed coaches can't say anything (hard to get a job if you slag your former team).

Reporters have to be careful what they say, not wanting to compromise future access. 

So, you have to look to people that have nothing to lose by telling the truth..

Look at how players do after leaving here... Copp, Roslovic, even Laine... heard someone mention Kulikov the other day,  is it just bad coaching?  Isn't Maurice supposed to be a great coach?  Was the room so toxic that he had to quit?   

Just saying, there are a lot of questions that need answering, and a lot of fingers pointed in a certain direction.  *IF* you can get fair value for him/them, doesn't it make sense to make a change? 

My Jets 2.1 centres around PLD80, KC81, NE27, JM44, CH37...  Just saying if we give them a clean slate to start from, with a new coaching staff, the opportunity for success is increased.  The potential for repeated results is reduced if we take the mantle away from certain players and move it to the *new* core of the team.

JT8 was an untradeable fan fav, AL16, even PL29... but we got fair value for them and the team moved on.  We are not going to replace MS55's point production with the player that comes back, but I think the team as a whole may replace them, Moneyball style. 





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 12, 2022, 06:00:04 PM
A tweet.  Did you watch the video?  That was what I was referencing...

Fuel my dislike?  Two guys that have been in the room suggest it is the worst room in hockey and that two specific players are making it that way. 

I get it, one player may have had an axe to grind, but still, is not like they were saying "There's a bit of a tiff in the room".  To say "worst room ever" takes a bit.

Now, current players can't say anything.

Departed coaches can't say anything (hard to get a job if you slag your former team).

Reporters have to be careful what they say, not wanting to compromise future access. 

So, you have to look to people that have nothing to lose by telling the truth..

Look at how players do after leaving here... Copp, Roslovic, even Laine... heard someone mention Kulikov the other day,  is it just bad coaching?  Isn't Maurice supposed to be a great coach?  Was the room so toxic that he had to quit?  

Just saying, there are a lot of questions that need answering, and a lot of fingers pointed in a certain direction.  *IF* you can get fair value for him/them, doesn't it make sense to make a change? 

My Jets 2.1 centres around PLD80, KC81, NE27, JM44, CH37...  Just saying if we give them a clean slate to start from, with a new coaching staff, the opportunity for success is increased.  The potential for repeated results is reduced if we take the mantle away from certain players and move it to the *new* core of the team.

JT8 was an untradeable fan fav, AL16, even PL29... but we got fair value for them and the team moved on.  We are not going to replace MS55's point production with the player that comes back, but I think the team as a whole may replace them, Moneyball style. 

It's always fun to watch you double down based on nothing more than unfounded gossip and rumours on social media that feed your confirmation bias so you can present us with yet another performance of mental gymnastics in this thread.

The video* is garbage just the same as the tweet. James Patrick is connected in the hockey world but he's no insider as far as the NHL goes. He didn't do himself any favours going on that joke of a podcast and name-dropping, anyway. That's a pretty bad look, especially for a WHL coach who seems to have aspirations to return to the NHL.

Hayes hasn't been in the Jets locker room for three years and had no interest staying; he was purely a rental from the get-go. Eakin was here for a cup of coffee nearly two years ago, reportedly didn't even want to come here in the trade, and then reportedly was upset when the Jets didn't offer him a contract in the 2020 off-season. Neither falls under the category of unbiased or reliable, so what's the sense in taking a hyperbolic statement like "worst locker room ever" seriously when you consider the source?

Connor and Morrissey both signed long-term deals in the 2019 off-season (despite RFA status where either could've just opted for the bare minimum). DeMelo re-signed as a UFA in 2020 (four years). Lowry re-signed here as a UFA last year (five years). Stastny re-signed here last year (one year). Schmidt waived his clause to get traded here. Seems a bit incongruent for any and all of that to happen if the locker room is such a toxic place as the rumour mill claims.

How is Copp, Roslovic (?), Laine, or Kulikov (LOL) "doing" since leaving Winnipeg? 
 - Copp is centering a line with Artemi Panarin, so his offensive production has increased along with his possession metrics. That doesn't prove anything with respect to keeping or trading him, though.
 - Roslovic had a career season in GP, G, A, and P, but his possession metrics have remained consistent since he was traded. Are you suggesting the Jets should've kept him?
 - Laine's production and possession metrics have remained consistent since he was traded. What are you suggesting here? Dubois is more rounded player, anyway.
 - Kulikov... What a reach, man. Unless you're suggesting the Jets need another depth LHD, but that's a laughably bad take.

The last three lines aren't even worth a response.

* the video has since been taken down :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 12, 2022, 09:09:43 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.  It is my opinion that this team has a better chance of moving forward with more than just a coaching change.  Speaking of which, when a coach is considering where to sign, to rumours of a toxic locker-room influence that decision?  Or does the opportunity to start from scratch with a brand new leadership group sound more attractive?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 12, 2022, 09:27:44 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.  It is my opinion that this team has a better chance of moving forward with more than just a coaching change.  Speaking of which, when a coach is considering where to sign, to rumours of a toxic locker-room influence that decision?  Or does the opportunity to start from scratch with a brand new leadership group sound more attractive?

And you keep repeating the same thing over, and over again. I thought you said last week you where done, enough said???????


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 13, 2022, 12:56:56 AM
And you keep repeating the same thing over, and over again. I thought you said last week you where done, enough said???????

You're right....

I'll let Rod Pederson comment...

The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."

-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 13, 2022, 01:28:47 AM
You're right....

I'll let Rod Pederson comment...

The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."

-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.


Lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 13, 2022, 02:45:23 AM
You're right....

I'll let Rod Pederson comment...

The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."

-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.


And that's fine if he isn't. The sun will come up the next day. People in Winnipeg will go on with there life. Fine something new to cry about.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 13, 2022, 01:31:24 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.  It is my opinion that this team has a better chance of moving forward with more than just a coaching change.  Speaking of which, when a coach is considering where to sign, to rumours of a toxic locker-room influence that decision?  Or does the opportunity to start from scratch with a brand new leadership group sound more attractive?

What a deflective copout response.

Your "opinions" are no special than any other fan's. And your being entitled to post them on a forum doesn't mean they can't be scrutinized or challenged by others, anyway. Moreover, what good is sharing opinions that are biased, subjective, and uninformed?

You're right....

I'll let Rod Pederson comment...

The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."

-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.


It's actually Darren Dreger who commented. And he merely expressed an opinion based on the possibilities surrounding a pretty complex situation. Maybe listen to Dreger's comments in their entirety instead of picking one remark to prop up your feeble arguments on why you think the Jets are better off without Scheifele and need to conduct a rebuild.

Didn't know you're a Pedersen fan now. LMAO :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 13, 2022, 01:39:27 PM
Murat Ates has said that, speaking with multiple people - both within the locker room and close to the locker room - that no one sees any malice in Scheifele's comments and recognise the intent behind them - that's he's a veteran player and wants assurances that the team will stay competitive moving forward.

No one wants to waste their prime.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 13, 2022, 01:52:16 PM
Murat Ates has said that, speaking with multiple people - both within the locker room and close to the locker room - that no one sees any malice in Scheifele's comments and recognise the intent behind them - that's he's a veteran player and wants assurances that the team will stay competitive moving forward.

No one wants to waste their prime.

Ates is such a beauty. His articles consistently hit the mark and he does his homework with regard to covering the Jets.

His most recent article is no exception: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3300230%2F2022%2F05%2F13%2Fwinnipeg-jets-roster-scheifele%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3300230%2F2022%2F05%2F13%2Fwinnipeg-jets-roster-scheifele%2F)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 13, 2022, 10:53:05 PM
Ates put together a decent read


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 17, 2022, 06:32:16 PM
I hope someone is sending a bottle of Pepto to Chevy today, hoping the Jets get the Trotz...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 17, 2022, 11:34:12 PM
Ates put together a decent read

Here's another: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F)

I'd love know how his "interview" went today.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 18, 2022, 01:45:04 AM
Here's another: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F)

I'd love know how his "interview" went today.

A friend of a friend of a friend of mine said it's a done deal.

So there's that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 18, 2022, 03:27:22 PM
KC81 in the running for the lady Byng. Good Luck KC.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 18, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
KC81 in the running for the lady Byng. Good Luck KC.

Lady Byng AND he backchecks... amazing...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 18, 2022, 03:55:47 PM
KC81 in the running for the lady Byng. Good Luck KC.

He's the obvious winner, imo.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 18, 2022, 07:22:45 PM
Slavin: 79 Games.  4G/38A   PIM 10,   +42

Spergeon: 65 Games. 10G/30A  PIM 10  +32

Connor: 79 Games.  47G/46A   PIM 4   -3


I would have to agree. KC81 has had a great year and should win these award.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 19, 2022, 09:36:27 AM
Connor should definitely walk away in the voting and win the Bing
Certainly allotta love, from Jet fans, towards the idea of Barry T. taking the helm for the immediate future

Will Chevy move Scheifele for a more checking style Center who he would pencil in 60 points.
Jets can win a lot of games if PLD gets 75 points & next Center 60, Lowry 35 & 4th 20 points


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 19, 2022, 03:59:05 PM
Connor should definitely walk away in the voting and win the Bing
Certainly allotta love, from Jet fans, towards the idea of Barry T. taking the helm for the immediate future

Will Chevy move Scheifele for a more checking style Center who he would pencil in 60 points.
Jets can win a lot of games if PLD gets 75 points & next Center 60, Lowry 35 & 4th 20 points

Lots of if's. PL80 at 60 points,-6 this year, and AL17 had 21 points and a +1. Are there any 60 point centers that play better play +D at 6M. Connor had 93 points this year and still was a -3. Is it the players or the system??? New coach, new system.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 19, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
Will Chevy move Scheifele for a more checking style Center who he would pencil in 60 points.
Jets can win a lot of games if PLD gets 75 points & next Center 60, Lowry 35 & 4th 20 points

Who's a "more checking style" centre available who can take the 1C spot? There's also no data to suggest Dubois is ready for that spot, either.

Bold assumption, though. And even bolder of you to assume the Jets win a lot of games next season based on nothing more than point totals down the middle. Scoring hasn't been an issue for this team; it's been defending and preventing scoring against.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
Barry T. in Philly today, and it sounds like he will be listening to other offers in the coming week/weeks. Doesn't sound like signing him will happen soon, if at all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 04:08:42 PM
Who's a "more checking style" centre available who can take the 1C spot? There's also no data to suggest Dubois is ready for that spot, either.

Bold assumption, though. And even bolder of you to assume the Jets win a lot of games next season based on nothing more than point totals down the middle. Scoring hasn't been an issue for this team; it's been defending and preventing scoring against.

Did you watch last season, or the IIHF tournament?  PLD80 is ready for #1C...  

One key to trading MS55 is re-signing PS25, which will not be hard to do.  AL17, CP91 and a plethora of prospects at C ae champing at the bit to move up.  Two years ago, with PL29 instead of PLD80 on the roster, no.  But now, it will depend on if the new coach is on board with keeping MS55 or is OK with moving on from him... and I guess it also depends on whether MS55 is on board with the coach they choose... which might not be the case if they land Trotz


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 04:12:12 PM
Did you watch last season, or the IIHF tournament?  PLD80 is ready for #1C...  

One key to trading MS55 is re-signing PS25, which will not be hard to do.  AL17, CP91 and a plethora of prospects at C ae champing at the bit to move up.  Two years ago, with PL29 instead of PLD80 on the roster, no.  But now, it will depend on if the new coach is on board with keeping MS55 or is OK with moving on from him... and I guess it also depends on whether MS55 is on board with the coach they choose... which might not be the case if they land Trotz


We need more than just PLD. There isn't enough on the team without him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 04:16:57 PM
We need more than just PLD. There isn't enough on the team without him.

Which is why PS25 re-signing is important if MS55 is moved...

AL17 is a solid 3c that can move up if needed, and CP91 showed a lot of ability to possibly be the #2c and still have upside. 

Having a C corps of PLD80, PS25, AL17 and CP91 + prospects is not a bad lineup... especially if we get a top RW and/or D back for MS55...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 04:42:41 PM
I 100% disagree and think our team takes a serious step back if that's what we're sending out there.

AL17 is a 4th liner

PS25 is a good vet presence to have, but is not going to continue as a top tandem option at C. He's a complimentary piece.

CP91 is a child who we hope get some good development this year.

I am a huge PLD fan, but you need to be 4 centres deep, and we finally have 2 now that we've aquired PLD, we're not going back to just having 1.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 04:44:27 PM
Which is why PS25 re-signing is important if MS55 is moved...

AL17 is a solid 3c that can move up if needed, and CP91 showed a lot of ability to possibly be the #2c and still have upside. 

Having a C corps of PLD80, PS25, AL17 and CP91 + prospects is not a bad lineup... especially if we get a top RW and/or D back for MS55...

And the broken record keeping on turning. You just keep repeating yourself.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 04:46:07 PM
I 100% disagree and think our team takes a serious step back if that's what we're sending out there.

AL17 is a 4th liner

PS25 is a good vet presence to have, but is not going to continue as a top tandem option at C. He's a complimentary piece.

CP91 is a child who we hope get some good development this year.

I am a huge PLD fan, but you need to be 4 centres deep, and we finally have 2 now that we've aquired PLD, we're not going back to just having 1.

Totally agree. Except I think AL17 is a solid 3rd. line C.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 04:50:13 PM
I 100% disagree and think our team takes a serious step back if that's what we're sending out there.

AL17 is a 4th liner

PS25 is a good vet presence to have, but is not going to continue as a top tandem option at C. He's a complimentary piece.

CP91 is a child who we hope get some good development this year.

I am a huge PLD fan, but you need to be 4 centres deep, and we finally have 2 now that we've aquired PLD, we're not going back to just having 1.



AL17 is a SOLID 3rd C with huge PK ability and the ability to move up in a pinch.  He is not a 4th liner, not even close.

PS25 isn't a spring chicken, but he can give you solid minutes at C, and is never a question about his presence in the locker room.  He can buy a year to get to...

CP91 is just a baby, and last year was pressed into service and produced above expectations (which were high).  No reason to think he isn't going to continue to develop...

Just saying, if the right pieces come back for MS55, the team CAN be better than it is now.  Yes, MS55 puts up a point a game, and that will be missed, but can those points be found elsewhere, and can the D game be tightened in his absence?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 05:13:47 PM
MS55 has been a plus player most of his career. 2020/21 he was -4, 2021/22 -15. Now considering a lot of the Jets where minus players this year, I would say we need a new D system.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 05:24:49 PM
Totally agree. Except I think AL17 is a solid 3rd. line C.

I say this with the caveat that he is a 4th liner on a team who uses all 4 lines.

I dreamed that this year we would have 4 lines with 55-80-25-17 down the centre. And then use all 4 lines more equally.

I don't have anything against AL17, I just want our 4th line to produce at that level.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 05:26:44 PM


AL17 is a SOLID 3rd C with huge PK ability and the ability to move up in a pinch.  He is not a 4th liner, not even close.

PS25 isn't a spring chicken, but he can give you solid minutes at C, and is never a question about his presence in the locker room.  He can buy a year to get to...

CP91 is just a baby, and last year was pressed into service and produced above expectations (which were high).  No reason to think he isn't going to continue to develop...

Just saying, if the right pieces come back for MS55, the team CAN be better than it is now.  Yes, MS55 puts up a point a game, and that will be missed, but can those points be found elsewhere, and can the D game be tightened in his absence?


You just repeated what I said back to me, tbh.

None of what you said gives us a top tandem at C.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 05:29:17 PM
I say this with the caveat that he is a 4th liner on a team who uses all 4 lines.

I dreamed that this year we would have 4 lines with 55-80-25-17 down the centre. And then use all 4 lines more equally.

I don't have anything against AL17, I just want our 4th line to produce at that level.

4th line producing is a key.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 07:44:15 PM
MS55 has been a plus player most of his career. 2020/21 he was -4, 2021/22 -15. Now considering a lot of the Jets where minus players this year, I would say we need a new D system.

We didn't change our coaches/system in the last 5 years... players change over time... do you expecting a player to be a + player all his career is reasonable?  If 2018-19 MS55 was guaranteed to show up in 2022-23, this isn't a discussion.  But if he continues to trend -4, -15, what is the next number?  That is my concern...

You just repeated what I said back to me, tbh.

None of what you said gives us a top tandem at C.

You can't have everything, we could have the top set of C next year, or we might have a middle of the pack one.  Again, it depends on what you get back for MS55.  He has a great contract in a demand position.  We need a top RW more than a 2nd line C.  PLD80, KC81 need a RW in their caliber.   If we can get that back for MS55, plus something else, maybe swap up on a Dman... the team is better.  On the ice. And who knows what happens off the ice.

4th line producing is a key.

Our prospects should be able to flesh out a very nice 4th line...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 08:08:25 PM
We didn't change our coaches/system in the last 5 years... players change over time... do you expecting a player to be a + player all his career is reasonable?  If 2018-19 MS55 was guaranteed to show up in 2022-23, this isn't a discussion.  But if he continues to trend -4, -15, what is the next number?  That is my concern...

You can't have everything, we could have the top set of C next year, or we might have a middle of the pack one.  Again, it depends on what you get back for MS55.  He has a great contract in a demand position.  We need a top RW more than a 2nd line C.  PLD80, KC81 need a RW in their caliber.   If we can get that back for MS55, plus something else, maybe swap up on a Dman... the team is better.  On the ice. And who knows what happens off the ice.

Our prospects should be able to flesh out a very nice 4th line...

Our prospects could do it this year, I can't see them doing it next year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 08:40:11 PM
We didn't change our coaches/system in the last 5 years... players change over time... do you expecting a player to be a + player all his career is reasonable?  If 2018-19 MS55 was guaranteed to show up in 2022-23, this isn't a discussion.  But if he continues to trend -4, -15, what is the next number?  That is my concern...

You can't have everything, we could have the top set of C next year, or we might have a middle of the pack one.  Again, it depends on what you get back for MS55.  He has a great contract in a demand position.  We need a top RW more than a 2nd line C.  PLD80, KC81 need a RW in their caliber.   If we can get that back for MS55, plus something else, maybe swap up on a Dman... the team is better.  On the ice. And who knows what happens off the ice.

Our prospects should be able to flesh out a very nice 4th line...

I hate the +/- stat. But if you want to play that game.

PL80  5 years, career +8, 3 out of 5 years as a minus player.
KC81 6 years,  career -9, 4 out of 6 years a minus player. 
PS25 16 years, career +14, has had 6 minus years.
MS55  9 years, career +62, has had only 2 minus years.

KC81 is a career minus player who has played under these coaches and this system his whole career and your telling me it isn't the system?? or the coaches? PL80 2 minus years after coming to the Jets. Nope, it can't be the system or the coaches.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 22, 2022, 05:35:30 AM
Did you watch last season, or the IIHF tournament?  PLD80 is ready for #1C...

Last season he further cemented his ability to be 2C based on his production and time.

Imagine thinking playing well at a IIHF tournament matters in terms of the NHL. LOL :D

I'm just relieved you have absolutely no say whatsoever in what the organization does.