With the NHL pre-season scheduled to start September 25, 2021 and the regular season scheduled to start October 12, 2021, we will again be phasing out the 2020/2021 season thread at the start of the pre-season schedule September 25th.
This thread should be used for the 2021/2022 season going forward.
We will leave the 2020/2021 season discussion up until September 25th when it will be retired. Thanks for your cooperation. Go Jets!
Bye, Bye, Sami. Jet's release Niku.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 21, 2021, 04:01:26 AM
Bye, Bye, Sami. Jet's release Niku.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
With big offseason acquisitions on D and our best players in their prime, I have to say my expectations are high. This feels like "all in". I'm hoping for a fun regular season filled with the typical highs and lows roller coaster of emotions followed by a deep playoff run in the spring. Should be a lot of fun.
quite surprised that Chevy couldn?t at least get a 5th Rd pick for Niku
My men's team offer 12 pucks, and 6 rolls of tape.
PLD will wear number 80 this year.
Sounds 9/17/93 skated together today.
The Jet's are 100% vaccinated.
Ol Helle had COVID back in August. Doesn't seem impressed he had to get vaxxed..
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/jets-hellebuyck-says-bout-with-covid-was-scary
Niku signs with MTL... joins so many ex-Jets... Armia, Perreault, Chiarot...
Good move by Montreal.
Well, that was a letdown... was hoping to see some young guns step up, new players make their marks, and Comrie grab the #2 spot... and pffttt
Lose in OT and then again in the shootout...
Just the first game of the year. Nice to see PL80 score.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 27, 2021, 07:57:25 PM
Just the first game of the year. Nice to see PL80 score.
PLD13 = PL80 now, for those keeping score at home...
Yes, nice to see the touch, and that he came back to the ice after 12 stitches to the face... chicks dig scars...
The walleye's were biting pretty good all weekend, so I passed on the game.
My son went instead. Said it was the same as the first bomber game, just a lot less people. Line ups to get in. Had to show is vaccine card, and drives license. Said he felt much saver at the Bomber games.
Sounds like Riley Nash will center the Jets 4th line. I was hoping to see him play with AL17 and AC9. Moe says the 4th. line needs to create there own identity.
Sounds like the top three lines to start the season will be, 81/55/26. 9/80/27. 25/17/93. The fight is one for the 4th. line spots. But then again Moe loves to mix things up.
Harkin, Svechnikov, and Poganski, all played very well tonight. D was solid. Helli looking good also.
Nice to KC81 hasn't lost his scoring touch.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 29, 2021, 11:21:05 PM
Sounds like the top three lines to start the season will be, 81/55/26. 9/80/27. 25/17/93. The fight is one for the 4th. line spots. But then again Moe loves to mix things up.
Interesting that Stast is demoted in favour of Copp but I understand wanting to give Copper the opportunity on his one year deal while Stastny is in his sunset years. It will hopefully result in more goals for both lines, although I really loved the grit of that third line with Lowry and Copp together as well as Appleton, and thought Harkins would have moved into Appleton's spot quite nicely. At the same time, happy to see Vesa get his NHL shot on a scoring line, as he would be useless on a fourth line role whereas Harkins may very well excel.
I expect Nash, Harkins and probably Toninato to be our fourth line to start.
Wow we have a lot of left handed forwards.
The Jets had a lot of young players in the lineup tonight and played pretty well. I really like Svech71. Skates very well, and really handles the puck well. Great pass to JM44 tonight.
Have been to TC just twice, watched all games, and am really excited about this Svechnikov. He really is skilled, very aware of the hustle and bustle around him and seems to make good decisions offensively and while defending.
He is the brother of Andre of the Hurricanes, who himself is an above average player
Quote from: Jockitch on October 03, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
Have been to TC just twice, watched all games, and am really excited about this Svechnikov. He really is skilled, very aware of the hustle and bustle around him and seems to make good decisions offensively and while defending.
He is the brother of Andre of the Hurricanes, who himself is an above average player
he has earned at least a 2 way contract
According to the Jets site, 11 players have been assigned to the Moose, including goalies Berdin and Holm.
https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-reduce-training-camp-roster-by-11-players/c-326566324
Does this mean the Jets are happy with Comrie as our backup, or are we planning to bring in another veteran ?
I am not surprised, I heard a week ago on CJOB that Jet's where going with Comrie as the backup, at least to start the year.
There is some talk about CP91 playing between 81 and 26 in the season opener.
Quote from: PloenFan on October 04, 2021, 10:27:51 PM
According to the Jets site, 11 players have been assigned to the Moose, including goalies Berdin and Holm.
https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-reduce-training-camp-roster-by-11-players/c-326566324
Does this mean the Jets are happy with Comrie as our backup, or are we planning to bring in another veteran ?
It's been long confirmed that Comrie is the back up. We can't afford to bring in anyone else.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 04:41:41 AM
There is some talk about CP91 playing between 81 and 26 in the season opener.
I can't imagine that actually happening.
Maybe I'm just being a little cycnical about CP's chances, but this all seems like media hype to me. I don't expect to see him in a Jets jersey this year.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 04:41:41 AM
There is some talk about CP91 playing between 81 and 26 in the season opener.
Where? Scheifele sits for this game but I highly doubt Perfetti takes the 1C spot.
Quote from: Jesse on October 06, 2021, 01:23:27 PM
I can't imagine that actually happening.
Maybe I'm just being a little cycnical about CP's chances, but this all seems like media hype to me. I don't expect to see him in a Jets jersey this year.
It would make more sense to put PS25 in the middle of 81/26. However on CJOB there was a report that CP91 has been skating with 81/26 and mite be between them for the season opener.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 02:55:57 PM
It would make more sense to put PS25 in the middle of 81/26. However on CJOB there was a report that CP91 has been skating with 81/26 and mite be between them for the season opener.
I'm more inclined to believe that's strictly a developmental move.
Though PM would be remiss to not try out all the combinations he could.
Perfetti centreing Wheeler and Connor would be ridiculous, but could be amazing. It will be cool to see in a preseason game if he has the tools to handle that spot. No doubt PauMo wants to see every combination in his tool bag before the preseason is over...
Good game tonight. NE27 looks like he's going to have another good year. Really flying tonight.
Jets also have a very solid D this year. Nice group to watch.
Great game by Ehlers (2 goals on seven shots).
All six defencemen had shots on goal, and just under half our shots (17 of 40) were by defencemen.
Nice to see us throw some hits (four by Dillon, three by Harkins, two each by Nash and Lawry).
A bit disappointing that Helle let in two goals on only 18 shots, but it looks as if he may have been partially screened on the first and the second may have been a deflection.
A little debate today at my Doctor's office. Is NE27 the best draft choice the 2.0 Winnipeg Jets have made?
Still only 25, and coming off his best year in the NHL. We also have him for another 3 years after this year.
MS55 is another great draft choice. Now 28 and has another 2 years on his current deal.
IMO KC81 edges out NE27 as he is consistently on the top line and the #1 pp unit. He is also signed to a long term deal. That being said, NE27 is my current favorite player!
Quote from: drahgon on October 08, 2021, 04:27:25 PM
IMO KC81 edges out NE27 as he is consistently on the top line and the #1 pp unit. He is also signed to a long term deal. That being said, NE27 is my current favorite player!
KC81 is another great pick. I guess you could throw JM44 in that pile. So would you go:
1- KC81
2- MS55
3- NE27
4- JM44
Maybe we should do a top 5.
Can't forget about CH37...
Tough to rank with the different positions but here's a go:
1-KC81
2-MS55
3-CH37
4-NE27
5-JM44
honorable mentions also for AL17 and AC9
Yes, where would the Jet's be without CH37.
Would also be nice to see LS64 in the top in the next year or two.
A bit concerned that Bucky allowed three goals on 23 shots, for an .870 save percentage.
Is it possible he's still feeling the effects of his COVID bout in August ?
Hopefully he'll be back to his old self soon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-vaccinated-hellebuyck-covid-19-1.6187502
NE27 injured twice in the game is more of a concern to me then CH37 play. Most of the goals scored on him are due to weak play in front of our net.
Agree that the health of Ehlers, going forward, is huge
Definitely the early reviews are that our team, with a couple of adds on D., should be capable of
playing keep-away more and cutting down on great opposition chances.
My question, from watching pre-season & former seasons ?? Is Copp really a 2nd line player
I?m a fan as an overall contributor but don?t see him as a real offensive asset for all his ice time
Really hope he can help Dubois and Ehlers get to 70+ points each
Jets will start on the road Wednesday night 9:00 pm. First of three on the road to begin the season.
On Cap Friendly they show only 12 fwds listed and that includes Scheif who is suspended tonight & perfetti who makes his NHL debut.
Thinking Svechnikov gets in tonight ........ unless someone has heard other.
Also if Ehlers is still to hurt to go ....... does Gustafson or Reichel play Course the Jets could go with 11 fwds & 7 D .............. or NOT !!
I AM PUMPED even know 5 hours away! Who else?
Time to score one on the PP. Jet's need a big period.
Jets need to flex a little muscle here.
Helli not very good.
Jets will be better with MS55 in the lineup.
Well we get MS55 back for our next game, he should help our PP.
The whole team mostly stunk last night and even when they had some solid chances, Gibson shut the door.
Just burn the tape and move on. Scheifele will be back on Saturday and that'll hopefully get the Jets on the right track in San Jose.
It's always a let down to come out flat on opening night.
I hope MS55 can help light a fire.
Yes, it's only the first game. D pairings have to figure things out. Helli will get in game shape. Moe will figure out his lines.
Well I am hoping for a better result tonight.
Solid 1st. period for the Jet's. PL80 should had 3 goals.
The Jets look tired the last 10 minutes of the 2nd. period.
PK and the PP both need work.
I realize a country will disagree but hockey is the crispy crunch of the sports world. After 2 months of NFL, CFL and CFB the Game of hockey just cannot compete. I actually chose baseball over some of the Jets game tonight.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 17, 2021, 04:42:30 AM
I realize a country will disagree but hockey is the crispy crunch of the sports world. After 2 months of NFL, CFL and CFB the Game of hockey just cannot compete. I actually chose baseball over some of the Jets game tonight.
I mostly agree with you.
I don't watch CFB unless there's a narrative that drives me towards it (Joe Burrow's National Championship run on the way to be the Bengals #1 pick), and definitely wouldn't watch random baseball over the Jets, but it is a busy sports season and the Jets at the beginning of their season (especially when they play poorly) are just less impactful.
PoMo has got to go I?ve seen this story far to many times. Guy is a used car salesman in the media and a crappy implementor of systems.
Jets and Bombers always come first. Sprinkle in all other sport around them. On of best things ever invented the remote control.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 17, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
PoMo has got to go I?ve seen this story far to many times. Guy is a used car salesman in the media and a crappy implementor of systems.
So, after two bad games who do you want to see take over as head coach? You consistently crap on the guy but never offer an alternative as to who will "better" this team.
Bottom line is the players on the ice have to actually execute whatever system's in place. We've seen them buy in before but they haven't really through two games this season. It's hard to fault just the coach when the majority of the players aren't doing what they're supposed to do.
Is it too early for the "Fire Maurice" thread?
Quote from: theaardvark on October 18, 2021, 04:01:43 PM
Is it too early for the "Fire Maurice" thread?
Far to early. second game of the year. A number of new parts. Let's give this team a little time. decent 5 on 5 play, PP has be ugly.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 04:34:45 PM
Far to early. second game of the year. A number of new parts. Let's give this team a little time. decent 5 on 5 play, PP has be ugly.
OK, just checking... who is in charge of specials this year? Can we fire him already?
Oh, and Blake Wheeler into COVID protocol...
I really liked the energy and hustle that the line of 12/17/93 had late in the 3rd. on Saturday Night. 12 needs more then a few minutes a game. Wasn't really impressed with 81/55/26.
Dillon throwing some big hits was a plus and nice to see. Stanley's fight was something they need in the Ducks game. Can't let team push around our skill players.
Quote from: theaardvark on October 18, 2021, 07:18:32 PM
OK, just checking... who is in charge of specials this year? Can we fire him already?
Oh, and Blake Wheeler into COVID protocol...
No firing of anybody. Till after game 3. LOL.
Could be why he looked like he was a step behind in the last two games. Let's fire him. LOL
I sure hope they can put forth a more complete effort tomorrow. Division matchup and all...
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/jets-sluggish-start-not-time-for-pitchforks-but-early-issues-need-quick-fixes (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/jets-sluggish-start-not-time-for-pitchforks-but-early-issues-need-quick-fixes)
BW26 17 games away from 1000. 808 points. It would be great if game 1000 was in Winnipeg, but now it doesn't look like that will happen.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 09:01:45 PM
BW26 17 games away from 1000. 808 points. It would be great if game 1000 was in Winnipeg, but now it doesn't look like that will happen.
He has three years left on his contract, which is the equivalent of 246 games (less the two he's played so far this season for 244). How many games he'll miss remains to be seen but he needs 192 points to hit the 1000 milestone. As a Jet, he's got a .92 PPG average, which would pan out to a 224 points at that pace, putting him well over 1000 career points. I doubt he maintains that PPG pace but 192 points over three full seasons is only 64 points per season or .78 PPG.
There are other factors to consider such as injuries, decline in performance, deployment down the lineup/less TOI, etc. but it's not at all unrealistic to see him getting 1000 points before his contract is up.
BW26, and CP91 are out for tonight's game. NB28, in as the 7th D-man. The Jet's will go with 11 forwards and 7 D.
Not hard to replace the approx. 8 minutes that Cole P was getting a game ......... sure hope Svechnikov (assuming he's in) shows well
Is it HellB in the nets ....... he needs to be lights out wonderful
Svechnikov is in tonight.
Wheeler is apparently symptomatic...
Quote from: theaardvark on October 19, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
Wheeler is apparently symptomatic...
Yeah. He's stuck at home for a minimum of 10 days. Hopefully he recovers fast.
Riley Nash on PP1...?
Uh...
Quote from: theaardvark on October 18, 2021, 04:01:43 PM
Is it too early for the "Fire Maurice" thread?
How about now?
Disappointing. The PK needs a lot of work. KC81 had a great game until he got a little lazy at the blueline.
The all time losingest coach adds another one to his illustrious pile of L's. He couldn't even skate Wheeler into the ground for this one though. Bonus points for dressing 7 defenceman!
Horrible, horrible.
Terrible luck (as in, great luck going the Wild's way).
it was fun to watch at least...the implosion at the end not included.
The Jets' defensive zone play continues to be an issue - by and large - through three games so far. We've seen this team commit to playing solid from their zone out, but that's been lost on the players recently (both last season and to start this one) and doesn't seem to be improving. Special teams are a mess and it seems like a lot of experimentation in these few games played. The fundamentals are not there and that's evidenced by their record and several other key stats.
I get the whole puck luck thing not going the Jets' way last night but that seemed to stem from poor play without the puck, questionable positioning in every zone, and lousy puck movement. That tying goal by the Wild late in the third was a microcosm on those glaring issues, IMO.
Let's say Maurice is on the chopping block. Who takes over for him? One of the current assistant coaches? Does Morrison get promoted from the Moose? Or hire an outsider? Boudreau, Julien, Tortorella, Bylsma, and Carlyle are a handful of available options. Are any of them the answer, though? Or does this losing skid speak to a larger issue within the organization? And if so, how much blame falls at the feet of the GM?
It looks to my untrained eye that we have a very talented group that has little cohesion or chemistry. Some of that can be attributed to having players missing and then shifting players around the lineup (Wheeler this game, Scheif in game 1), new young players (Perfetti, Ves, Harkins), and new vet players (Dillon, Schmidt, Nash). The good news is that they can form that cohesion and get better play over time. I realize it's not acceptable to waste half a season while this group finds its groove but a few games is ok.
IMO this loss was considerably different than the first two trash games. This one had the emotion and the scoring touch but clearly there's work to be done.
The flukey goal off Morrissey's skate, the flukey tying goal at the end, and the chintzy offside no-goal challenge ultimately were the difference in why we lost.
Our fourth line to this point isn't as strong as our 4th. line last year. Our 4th. line last year with Lewis, Thompson, and MP85, could be used for PK and shut down late in games.
After AC9 and AL17, not much there for PK yet. Another pairing will have to step up. Nash and ?? This is an area where App's was really starting to shine for us.
PP was moving the puck well most of the night. 80/55/81, looked good together. Missing that big cannon from PL29.
Our PK and 5on5 puck clearing has been abysmal.
All we can do is hope that this is due to some new cast member and that everyone will learn to play more cohesively together.
But, honestly, we've retained our core pieces for a long time and shouldn't be having these issues against teams playing rookies in top-6 roles.
Quote from: Jesse on October 20, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
Our PK and 5on5 puck clearing has been abysmal.
All we can do is hope that this is due to some new cast member and that everyone will learn to play more cohesively together.
But, honestly, we've retained our core pieces for a long time and shouldn't be having these issues against teams playing rookies in top-6 roles.
Bingo. The core of the this team should be leading by example, but isn't. (I'll give Connor a pass for his performance last night)
KC81 - 2 goals and one game losing offside... just when you're ready to buy his jersey he does a bonehead thing like going offside with an empty net 3 on 2... yeesh.
Quote from: theaardvark on October 20, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
KC81 - 2 goals and one game losing offside... just when you're ready to buy his jersey he does a bonehead thing like going offside with an empty net 3 on 2... yeesh.
He was offside by a razor thin margin and the EN goal getting called back didn't lose the game. It was still 5-4 after that. Did you even watch the game?
Speaking of garbage: https://illegalcurve.com/frank-seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-bracing-for-more-positive-covid-19-tests-within-locker-room/ (https://illegalcurve.com/frank-seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-bracing-for-more-positive-covid-19-tests-within-locker-room/)
Also, Perfetti was sent down to the Moose today.
CP91 back to the Moose is the right move. He needs to develop, and sitting on the bench with the Jets isn't going to do that.
7 pm start tonight. Home opener, time for a Win.
Scheif in covid protocol
Quote from: blue_or_die on October 21, 2021, 03:02:20 PM
Scheif in covid protocol
Gross. This home opener tonight is going to suck.
EDIT: Scheifele has already had one negative test and remains in protocol. If he has another negative resultant test later today, he'll be released from protocol and can play tonight.
Jets were expecting a slew of positive tests, but that hasn't come so far... but it is nice having the farm team so close at hand... just in case
With MS55 out, do you put all our fire power on one line with 81/80/27 ?
Wondering the timing on Cole Perfetti getting sent down... let him step in for Scheiffle...
Quote from: Pigskin on October 21, 2021, 05:28:57 PM
With MS55 out, do you put all our fire power on one line with 81/80/27 ?
Stastny was 1C at today's practice, Dubois at 2C.
Jets much better tonight.
PK was better.
81/80/71 This line had a very good game.
27 is flighting around the goals are going to come.
Helli was rock solid tonight.
The Jet's still having trouble clearing there zone at times.
Can we trade MS55 and BW26? Undefeated when both of them are out...
Quote from: Pigskin on October 22, 2021, 03:06:30 AM
Jet's much better tonight.
PK was better.
81/80/71 This line had a very good game.
27 is flighting around the goals are going to come.
Helli was rock solid tonight.
The Jet's still having trouble clearing there zone at times.
Dubois, Connor, and Svechnikov were great last night. Some real nice puck movement on setting up Dubois' goal. Ehlers, Morrissey, and Hellebuyck were in mid-season form, too.
Needed that win last night.
Well the Jets win another. Looks like PS25 scored a couple of times. PL80 and KC81 both scoring again and playing well. Nice to see PL80 get his game back this year.
Didn?t watch the game at all but nice to see Dubois and Connor keep up their scoring.
Got a free-bee so was cheering long & loud ........ especially when the Jets scored or HellB made a great save, which there certainly were a few.
Pound for pound Pionk battles hard, Conman is sooooo quick, Svech & Dub80 look compatible with Conman
Ehlers is a bit lost out there with Stats & a snake bitten so far ..... hope he gets paired with Sceif55
Like Dillon & Beaulieu but more surprised how slow they can be compared to TC action.
Vesal (sure has abilities), Dub80 & Stastny used their sticks well for deflections,
Schmidt is very skilled & fast but would like to see him move the puck up the ice ...... as his history shows he rarely records Hits
The Preds sure worked the puck & showed, IMO, how weak our boys can be on the boards defensively
Without MS55 and BW26, the Jets have been doing a very nice job. It's nice to see other players stepping up and filling there roles.
Quote from: Jesse on October 24, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Didn?t watch the game at all but nice to see Dubois and Connor keep up their scoring.
6 and 9 pts. respectively so far. Both are playing very well. Loved seeing Stastny pot a couple the other night, too.
With 5G and 3A in his last 3GP, Kyle Connor has been named the NHL First Star of the Week.
9 pm start tonight. Let's see if we can win three in a row.
Nice road win by the Jets tonight. Two very important face off wins by Copp helped to win this one. Still having clearing problems in our own end.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 27, 2021, 04:52:53 AM
Nice road win by the Jets tonight. Two very important face off wins by Copp helped to win this one. Still having clearing problems in our own end.
What a wild end to the game.
Time Ehlers got off the schnide...
Quote from: theaardvark on October 27, 2021, 05:02:27 PM
Time Ehlers got off the schnide...
Such a disgustingly nice goal.
Welcome back to 500. Let's call those first 3 games a wash and re-start the season tomorrow night in LA, mkay?
Quote from: blue_or_die on October 27, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Welcome back to 500. Let's call those first 3 games a wash and re-start the season tomorrow night in LA, mkay?
I think Comrie's in net...
Just 19 seconds to shock me into the reality of "it's tied, oh my we just took the lead" ......... GREAT victory & thanks HellB
Helli, is going to have to have a break sooner or later. So you mite be right.
Interesting that last night we only had one right hand shooting forward in the line up.
We have three in total with MS55 and BW26.
Laine, Apps, and Roslovic, three pretty good right hand shooting forwards no longer with us.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 27, 2021, 06:51:41 PM
Helli, is going to have to have a break sooner or later. So you mite be right.
Interesting that last night we only had one right hand shooting forward in the line up.
We have three in total with MS55 and BW26.
Laine, Apps, and Roslovic, three pretty good right hand shooting forwards no longer with us.
Just means we have to turn the cycle counterclockwise on the PP... easy peasy... and will mess up the opponents...
No way we win many or any games with Comrie in the net. Our D zone awareness and converge is pathetic. Maurice Coached team strikes again! We get blasted outshot game in game out it seems.
9:30 start tomorrow in LA.
same, perils of playing in the western conference though. The first season in the southeast division was a treat in terms of game times!
BW26 has been cleared to ion the Jets. Apparently he is in LA.
Nice goal by PL80. LS64 needs to be better on the LA goal.
Jets out played in the second period.
Comrie with a good game.
Jets with a very good 3rd. period.
81/80/71 25/9/27 both of these lines have played very well. Moe would be crazy to break them up right now.
When 55 and 26 get back, who plays the left side with them?
This would make sense if the NHL were conducting an audit and Chevy wasn't blamed for misfiled salary structure.
I'm not sure this makes sense when everyone in that room let Aldrich go about his merry way.
Jets will be back on the ice on Saturday at 6:00 pm.
Nice to see PL80 get back on track this year.
Really competitive game and mighty fine victory.
Three cheers for Comrie who was sharp and kept his position with good balance and tracking well
Thinking ahead ?. sure hope PM keeps 80, 81 & 71 together when 26 & 55 get back in
Quote from: Jockitch on October 30, 2021, 01:33:20 AM
Really competitive game and mighty fine victory.
Three cheers for Comrie who was sharp and kept his position with good balance and tracking well
Thinking ahead ?. sure hope PM keeps 80, 81 & 71 together when 26 & 55 get back in
Put wheeler on the 4th line
Quote from: The Zipp on October 29, 2021, 07:00:01 PM
time to end the "True North" chant in the anthem...they waffled on this.
True North chant was a joke from the start. Was never a fan of chanting for a mega corporation. Now its a disgrace. I won't go to a game until he is gone.
Like I said earlier, Jets would be crazy to break up71/81/80 or 9/25/27. So maybe 93/17/26 until 55 gets back.
Jets not really taking advantage of a depleted Sharks team...
Well Helli played well. 81/80 still playing well together. I was hoping to see a vast improvement in our D, I know it's early but not seeing it yet.
Still winless with BW26 on the ice...
Just saying...
NE27, PLD80 and KC81 has to stay together as a line... they are legit #1. End of discussion...
Quote from: theaardvark on October 31, 2021, 04:48:02 PM
Still winless with BW26 on the ice...
Just saying...
NE27, PLD80 and KC81 has to stay together as a line... they are legit #1. End of discussion...
Well as long as you have End of, lol.
They mite stay together, and they did look good for the last 10 minutes of the 3rd. But we all know Moe does keep lines together very long.
Probably will see 9/55/26 together. 71 has played better then 93 and 12 to this point, so if he's not with 80/81. I guess he will be back on the third line with 17 and 25.
In other Jets news, this time of the factual variety, Scheifele skated with the team at practice yesterday.
Sounds like Hellebuyck might be on Emergency paternity leave...
Liked the lines in the first. 81/80/71, 25/9/27, 17/55/26.
Comrie had a pretty good 1st. period.
We really out played Dallas tonight.
Nice to get the 2 points, great OT.
Pleasantly surprised by Comrie this season - 2 wins, 2.40 GAA, .915 save %.
Connor, Dubois and Copp are off to good starts.
Should have been a clean win but I'll take the two points.
Dubois is exactly who we wanted and expected last year. Can't wait to sign him to a long term deal.
Connor is one of the best skaters I've ever seen.
Comrie is doing all we can ask from him and is providing great value-for-dollar. We only play him when we absolutely need to and so we can expect to win on nights where he plays. Happy for him since he's been in our system since he was a teenager and we all thought he was done, so good for him.
I expect Dallas to go into full rebuild mode after this year. Benn and Seguin aren't scaring anyone anymore, and Holtby is a shadow of his formal self, which are good traits for a division rival.
Nice to see the Dubois and Morrissey critics have crawled back into their holes.
Comrie looks fantastic with the big boys so far. He seems comfortable and confident between the pipes, which bodes well looking ahead.
Dicey third period and it sucks to give a division rival a loser point but I'll take the SO win. Connor and Scheifele both potted beautiful goals.
Agree that it was unfortunate to let Dallas absorb a point but soooooo very happy with the performance & win.
Basic 3 lines certainly had some great moments on the ice, however will take a guess that PM will have them different to start with on Friday
Still not sure why PM & his asst. coaches go with 7 Dmen & the 11 forward look ....... but not complaining
Quote from: Jockitch on November 03, 2021, 08:47:25 PM
Agree that it was unfortunate to let Dallas absorb a point but soooooo very happy with the performance & win.
Basic 3 lines certainly had some great moments on the ice, however will take a guess that PM will have them different to start with on Friday
Still not sure why PM & his asst. coaches go with 7 Dmen & the 11 forward look ....... but not complaining
I liked AL17 with 55/26. Added some grit to that line, and some protection for MS55. Sometimes SM55 gets manhandled a little to much for my liking.
1-8 Black Hawks, I hope the Jets don't take this team lightly.
Solid game by the Jets tonight.
Another good game for Comrie.
I really like the Jets lines right now. Good balance, all three lines playing well.
DT21 with his first of the season and it was a beauty. Also like that DT21 working well on the PK.
AC9 with 3A.
It looks as if the Black Hawks fired their coach after the Jets beat them last night.
https://www.nhl.com/news/chicago-blackhawks-fire-coach-jeremy-colliton/c-327654098
Only saw the highlights of this game, MS55 and PS25 injured. Not good.
Looked like Comrie was pretty solid again.
Back to backs are tough.
Helli back practicing today. MS55, PS25, NE27, all not practicing.
Tough, tough loss to a ?hot? goalie who had the Jets singing the Blues tonight
Sooo many decent chances to be up by 2 or 3 goals not barely surviving the OT
Nice return game by HellB, who for me was our Star
Helli let in a couple of weak goals, but then came up big in OT.
Jets played a very good game, just could get going in the OT.
I also thought Harkins had a nice game.
Tough loss in a game we should have won. STL got great goaltending last night and saved their butts, although so did we.
Hard to come out of that with only 1 point against a division rival :-\, but I'm glad we played so well against the best team in our division. Bodes well for us and I expect us to be running with the big dogs in the standings all year.
I hope we can get a little more scoring tonight.
certainly do believe the Jets hustle & skill will continue to cause many Grade A chances ....... so it's still the finish that has to be there
If the game is not unfolding with Scheif & Wheels strong with Lowry that I will bet Ehlers will be with them 1/2 way thru the game.
With Stastny out then Lowry with Copp, still at centre, & Harkins will result ....... personally that should be a strong trio
I'm guessing 6-3 Jets
Nice win by the Jets. Solid effort by everyone.
The Bad: Getting home after the game. Put on your snow and ice tires people or stay at home. wow.
Really a dandy showing & certainly happy for Harkins
Dubois and Connor are building some really good chemistry. Nice win last night!
Now if we could get MS55 and BW26 scoring.
Very good game by Helli.
Not our best game, but I will take the OT win.
Lines all over the map. Not a fan of that.
Nice to see Ms55 finally score.
DD2 first goal in 4 seasons???
Quote from: Pigskin on November 14, 2021, 03:48:30 AM
Very good game by Helli.
Not our best game, but I will take the OT win.
Lines all over the map. Not a fan of that.
Nice to see Ms55 finally score.
DD2 first goal in 4 seasons???
This surprised me too. Can't believe he hasn't snuck one in before.
Kings were oh so tough to beat ....... OT win was a nice reward for the effort by HellB
Bit of a snoozer on Saturday, especially the middle frame and most of the third but it was good to be back at the phone booth and see those HC jerseys in person again.
DeMelo getting his first as a Jet (and first in 132 games, IIRC) in such entertaining fashion was great, as well as seeing Scheifele pot his first of the season and the OT winner. That was a beauty feed from Ehlers.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2021, 01:24:23 PM
Bit of a snoozer on Saturday, especially the middle frame and most of the third but it was good to be back at the phone booth and see those HC jerseys in person again.
DeMelo getting his first as a Jet (and first in 132 games, IIRC) in such entertaining fashion was great, as well as seeing Scheifele pot his first of the season and the OT winner. That was a beauty feed from Ehlers.
Have to come up with a new nickname other than the phone booth... apparently the naming rights were bought by an insurance company...
Quote from: theaardvark on November 16, 2021, 12:49:09 AM
Have to come up with a new nickname other than the phone booth... apparently the naming rights were bought by an insurance company...
Nah, phone booth suits it just fine. Its original name when it opened was the MTS Centre and that nickname is good reminder of the history of the venue. Also, I think the nickname also has something to do with the tighter confines of the facility (concourses, etc.) compared to other NHL venues but I can't accurately recall.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 16, 2021, 12:49:09 AM
Have to come up with a new nickname other than the phone booth... apparently the naming rights were bought by an insurance company...
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 16, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
Nah, phone booth suits it just fine. Its original name when it opened was the MTS Centre and that nickname is good reminder of the history of the venue. Also, I think the nickname also has something to do with the tighter confines of the facility (concourses, etc.) compared to other NHL venues but I can't accurately recall.
I prefer The Hangar. References the team's name (which is cool) instead of the transient corporate sponsorships (which are not cool). I kinda liked "phonebooth" when it was MTS Centre and understand the nostalgic factor, though.
For IGF I think a cool nickname would be The Bomb Shelter.
Phone Booth is an appropriate descriptor for the facility, granted, and the main reason I will never darken their halls again.
Hangar makes more sense... not sure if there is a reference applicable to a life insurance company.
Big game for the Jets tonight. Oilers probably still thinking about the sweep.
Pretty good win and team effort.
Completely shutdown the Oilers, until the 5 on 3.
Another complete game the whole team.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 17, 2021, 03:40:32 AM
Completely shutdown the Oilers, until the 5 on 3.
Another complete game the whole team.
A 5-on-3 that only happened because of Divesaitl. That was a garbage penalty and should've been offset by embellishment.
Better team won last night in pretty convincing fashion. Rematch tomorrow should be a gooder.
We are really humming now. Most enjoyable game of the season by far IMO.
Rematch tomorrow should be EPIC. Winning again, two days later, on the road, would be an absolute statement. And hey, go ahead and pick up two against the Canucks the next night on Friday in a b2b, too, while you're at it. That would really fill my cup.
McDavid also should have got at least 4 minutes for the hit on NP4.
McDavid not happy that he is not drawing enough penalties?
Well our PP let us down tonight. Lot's of chances but we have to start putting some of those in the net.
If this Skinner fella didn't come out of nowhere and play out of his mind, it would have been 2 points easily.
Great game from all phases of the Jets, especially Helle. I just love how hard we play the Oilers. I wasn't old enough to appreciate it at the time but I imagine this reminds older fans of the 80s rivalry the old Jets had with Edmonton. It would be spectacular if we both made it out of our divisions and played each other in a conference final.
I disagree, the PP moved the puck well last night, but 4 on 3 for 3:30 in the OT, have to score. The PP has to find a way to score some goals.
They moved the puck like magic but whiffed on spectacular chances multiple times.
Not playing very well tonight. Back to backs are tough.
Gave it all they had in the 3rd. just not enough.
Dobby with another goal. Got his game back this year.
Team just lacked finish last night...
Ehlers was spectacular when he wasn't invisible, but that's his game.
We seem to keep coming up against young goalers having the game of their lives.
Not sure having CH37 in net would have helped, but it might have...
These back to backs are crazy. Now we don't play till Tuesday?
Quote from: Pigskin on November 20, 2021, 05:55:09 PM
These back to backs are crazy. Now we don't play till Tuesday?
Monday.
You are correct, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, next week.
Home Monday, in Columbus on Wednesday. No PL29, and Jack is not playing well right now for the Blue Jackets.
Looking for Dobby to have a big game.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 20, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
You are correct, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, next week.
Home Monday, in Columbus on Wednesday. No PL29, and Jack is not playing well right now for the Blue Jackets.
Looking for Dobby to have a big game.
I want that so bad for him. Don't 100% know why he wanted out, but I'm sure it'd be nice to stick it to them.
Hoping the Jets have a nice bounce back game. Penguins have been playing well lately.
PS25 should be back tonight.
Don't know if I can us to Leah Hextall calling Jets games.
Well the PP still a problem for us.
Jets looked completely uninterested in playing tonight. Far cry from the energy and magic in our Edmonton home-and-home.
Yes, looked like the Moose out there tonight.
Lacklustre effort from the highlights I watched. Glad I missed that snoozefest but it's troubling to see the boys only get a loser point in their last three games.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2021, 01:10:31 PM
Lacklustre effort from the highlights I watched. Glad I missed that snoozefest but it's troubling to see the boys only get a loser point in their last three games.
Yeah, I'm mad about that loser point game because we could have won outright given our play but got derailed by a stellar backup goalie performance, and I'm even more mad at the two game following because we got what we deserved which was to not get a point in either! >:(
I like the idea of Hextall calling games, but I think she might need some time in the minors working on her delivery... she has a lot of terminology to work on, but she does bring some of the player aspect into the calls, you can see that. Long term, she might work out, but right now, she's not ready for the big leagues.
That said, I was happy I PVR'd the game and fast forwarded through most of it... not a great game for her to showcase her talents.
Need a big bounce back game tonight against the Blue Jackets.
6 pm start tonight.
Well I am glad there was curling on tonight.
PP is really in a bad funk.
BW26 and MS55 are really struggling.
Also a little disappointed that someone didn't tune up Domi.
Crap game. We are on a losing streak now. Need to dominate the Wild for a clean 2 points in their barn tomorrow afternoon to keep spirits up. We have come a long way in the wrong direction since our super exciting home-and-home with Edmonton last week.
1 out of last 21 on the PP before I finally turned the game off.
That's the difference between wins and losses most days.
I think we mite be 1 for 24 now.
I am hoping PS25 will be back for today's game. Not sure what Moe is thinking with Nash and or Harkins on the PP. I would rather have AL17 out there parked in front of the the net.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 26, 2021, 04:02:15 AM
I am hoping PS25 will be back for today's game. Not sure what Moe is thinking with Nash and or Harkins on the PP. I would rather have AL17 out there parked in front of the the net.
I feel like PM already ruled him out but am not 100% on that.
Quote from: Jesse on November 26, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
I feel like PM already ruled him out but am not 100% on that.
Nevermind. Looks like we?re gonna see Stas return.
Two fluky goals and they're already down 2-0. Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2021, 08:00:07 PM
Two fluky goals and they're already down 2-0. Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat.
Ah, to still be in a world in which we?re only down by 2.
Well that was sad. To much turkey yesterday.
This is easily a big surprise ??. they are competing hard most shifts but where are their Hockey Gods
Really, really dislike that PM is seeing something in this 7 Dmen being dressed thing
Nash & Vesa must be numb when they hear Beaulieus (however it?s spelled) name called out
The red hot Flames on Saturday night ?? yikes
Playing pretty good tonight. PP still letting us down. 81/55/26 back together.
Helli was amazing tonight.
Hellebuyck stole the show last night. Good to see the Jets break that ugly losing streak.
Moe mite have to go back to 81/55/26 27/80/25 9/17/71.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 28, 2021, 07:36:07 PM
Moe mite have to go back to 81/55/26 27/80/25 9/17/71.
This is sort of the natural order of things. I always view Maurice's line blenders as ways to shake their focus back and once they're ready he tends to put them back with their 'natural linemates'. How often do we see line juggling that results in a permanent shift? Hardly ever.
Like to see the PP going tonight.
Just turned on the Jets game - aren't the Coyotes terrible?? How do we have 40ish shots on net to 13 and be down ??
Just fire Pomo and Chevy and start over.
Blake Wheeler finally does something to help the team and draws a penalty.
Way to go captain!!
Jets need to score on this 4:00 PP
Jets deserve Bronx cheer at the end of this one...
Keep making excuses...this team stinks
The crowd is dead - atmosphere is terrible and Chevy and Pomo keep their jobs
We can Armchair Coach all we want ....... they deserved a better fate tonight & in so many of their recent losses, cept the Wild game of course
Quote from: Jockitch on November 30, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
We can Armchair Coach all we want ....... they deserved a better fate tonight & in so many of their recent losses, cept the Wild game of course
The line of 81/55/26, very good tonight. The scoring is going to come.
I thought NE27 didn't have his best game tonight.
What's PL80 doing back near the blue line on the PP. That big body needs to be in front of the net.
SOG don't tell much of a story, IMO. How many of those were perimeter shots?
The powerplay was atrocious. Puck possession was sketchy. Passing was off most of the night.
Losing to a team in win never mode is a bad look, especially after capping off that ugly road trip with a win and then returning home to take a dump on the ice.
Fore coach. His message falling on deaf ears or other. This is brutal hockey.
Blake Wheeler trying to find a silver lining during this slide, saying this adversity will benefit them in the playoffs. Gotta actually make the playoffs first, captain.
Burn the tape.
I feel so bad for people who dished out money to see that. On a Monday night, no less.
Pretty much the same top 9 as last year, minus Apples. Puck just not going into the net.
Lot's of shots last night. The one shift by 81/55/26 was great to watch. 5 on 5 and it looked like a PP.
55/26 look like there both skating much better. A little more jump with 81 on there line.
I think we need 27/80/25 together. put 9 back with 17/71.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 30, 2021, 04:57:25 PM
Pretty much the same top 9 as last year, minus Apples. Puck just not going into the net.
Lot's of shots last night. The one shift by 81/55/26 was great to watch. 5 on 5 and it looked like a PP.
55/26 look like there both skating much better. A little more jump with 81 on there line.
I think we need 27/80/25 together. put 9 back with 17/71.
excuses...the same reason POMO got canned in Columbus is the same reason he should be fired here. He has taken the team as far as it can go...
It's always the coach. I have never seen a coach score a goal.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 30, 2021, 05:05:09 PM
excuses...the same reason POMO got canned in Columbus is the same reason he should be fired here. He has taken the team as far as it can go...
Maurice never coached in Columbus. I assume you mean Carolina...?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 30, 2021, 08:41:37 PM
Maurice never coached in Columbus. I assume you mean Carolina...?
correct...I have an issue mixing those 2 up all the time.
Thanks
Really hoping the Jet's PP can get on track tonight.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 03, 2021, 07:43:08 PM
Really hoping the Jet's PP can get on track tonight.
Even just better 5v5 play would be a nice place to start and then build off that.
Gotta start by winning face offs then pressing in their end.
Both teams have horrible PP's so far but Hughes is back in lineup for the Devils now which helps make Hamilton extra dangerous.
Meanwhile our PP is in need of the usual suspects, as in Scheif, Speedy E. & Wheels, to make the opportunities & then finish
Would be great to see some long awaited offensive production from Lowry, a miserable 2 goals & 2 assists, & any of the 4th line fellas.
Lot's of goals tonight. MS55 looked very fast tonight. Also a pretty nice game by all three lines.
Nothing like sitting back and watch a real nice, early lead fold up ..... then get thoroughly excited with some terrific skill in a big Victory
BW26 1000 game tonight. Also a big test with the Leaf's in town.
Jets played a very good game tonight. Leaf's real made themselves look cheap tonight.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 06, 2021, 04:16:26 AM
Jets played a very good game tonight. Leaf's real made themselves look cheap tonight.
Great game last night. Jets played the way they know they can for what seems like the first time in ages.
9 goals in seven games... fire everyone.
14 goals in 2 games... give them extensions.
Quote from: theaardvark on December 06, 2021, 04:05:18 PM
9 goals in seven games... fire everyone.
14 goals in 2 games... give them extensions.
I prefer the "let's see how the season goes" and then decide what's next. The knee-jerk emotional stuff gets old fast, for better or worse.
The lines look very good right now. 4th line is playing much better. 81/55/26 have be lights out. PL80 is play some very good tough hockey right now, and scoring to boot.
If Scheifele is back to his former self, we should be ok moving forward.
He should be out best centre but has been entirely absent before these last couple of games.
Quote from: Jesse on December 06, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
If Scheifele is back to his former self, we should be ok moving forward.
He should be out best centre but has been entirely absent before these last couple of games.
I think he is finally feeling healthy again after his Covid.
NP4 out for 2 games, for the knee on knee hit.
Big game tomorrow night against a very tough team.
Jets put Nash on waivers.
Personally feel Nash was a bad signing and Chevy had numbers of others available. However, did wonder
if it was many other inexpensive vets just didn?t want to come to our Winterland
Pionk out hurts & Beaulieu is a wild card, IMO, on the ice
We may get a break if A. Svechnikov, 9 gls & 12 assts, brother of Jets, E. Svechnikov, cannot dress for the Canes ??. Oooops he is playing
When signing min wage roster fillers, you take chances and hope guys step up. Nash didn't pan out the way hoped, but no biggie.
NP4 $58,750 lighter. Still waiting on the Spezza suspension.
Well we meet a very good, quick team tonight. Cannes are very quick. Not a lot of size, but lots of talent.
Cole probably gone for two games.
That 5 minute PP was terrible.
D not clearing the front of the net tonight.
Spezza gets 6 games.
NP4 has a concussion, not travelling with the Jets.
Probably the best gap control team in the NHL and that showed based on SOG and chances for the Jets.
Time to fire Maurice again...
Quote from: theaardvark on December 08, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Time to fire Maurice again...
No one calling for that yet.
Cole only gets a $5,000 fine.
Jets and Kraken tonight 9 pm. Looking for a nice bounce back game. Please anybody but Leah Hextall.
Connor?s was the Sniper, Toninato finished on the perfect pass & HellB was awesome
Kraken try but certainly not going into playoffs. Canucks will be very tough opponent tonight
Impressive road win last night in Seattle.
Yes, the Kraken a solid team, with some pretty good goal tending. Nothing flashing, hard working group.
I am happy with that win.
Looks bad for Wheeler ?.. in using the images of his knee being twisted & his struggle getting off
Jets had some great opportunities to win & Comrie gave us a terrific effort
Hope Heinola gets in the lineup Tuesday instead of Beaulieu
Sucks the Copp goal didn?t count and that we didn?t pick up 2 points. I hate shootouts.
That said, 3/4 points b2b on the road is a success. Keep it going at home now this week.
A week ago, I would have been OK with Wheeler out of the lineup, but he has surprised me with his production of late, and the Conschwhee line has been the driving force of late.
Ehlers seems to be squeezing the stick, trying too hard to be the star he is seen as...
CH37 wins us that game last night.. scheduling back to backs in 2 hour different time zones sucks...
Quote from: theaardvark on December 11, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
CH37 wins us that game last night.. scheduling back to backs in 2 hour different time zones sucks...
Seattle and Vancouver are in the same time zone.
Comrie wasn't great but the Jets gave up some ugly chances last night, which isn't on him. That Garland goal was a brutal brain fart by the defense.
We played good enough in regulation to win that game. We dominated the OT. We are crap in shot outs.
Still not clearing the front of the net well enough.
3 out of 4 points on this little road trip, not bad.
Pionk & now Wheeler ......... fingers crossed that both men can not suffer long with minimal long term affect
If long term ........ NOPE, I'm going to pause & breathe instead of start speculating on how Chevy might need to find a stud to fill in
Meanwhile does Stastny, Svechnikov or Copp go up to play with 55 & 81 ?? for Tues. vs the Sabres
just read on Jets site that Pionk is good to go for Tuesday but PM said Wheeler will be out "weeks".
Moose had a Covid outbreak (no info) so a call up is not possible for Tues., so Beaulieu will be the 12th forward
Cole Perfetti made Team Canada. Time for Cole to shine. He should be one of our leaders.
Jets: Ugly. PP sucks.
I feel something is off with the Jets. I can't place my finger on it, but I'm starting to wonder
if they might not even make the playoffs despite all their talent. Hope I'm wrong!
Control the gap and you beat the Jets.
This team stinks.
Quote from: In Motion on December 15, 2021, 06:09:14 AM
I feel something is off with the Jets. I can't place my finger on it, but I'm starting to wonder
if they might not even make the playoffs despite all their talent. Hope I'm wrong!
I will give you a hint - it's the coach
Jets practice today. Skate, skate, and more skating.
Lines: 81/80/71. 27/55/25. 9/17/21
Spent a lot of money on our D this year. Not seeing much improvement.
Gustafson called up from the Moose.
apparently the Dmen point production is up quite a bit
PK is terrible yet we always hear raves on Lowry & Copp's play ...... are the others even more terrible killing penalties
typical ....... bottom 6 forwards do minimal in offensive numbers ..... Stastny has 12 pts, Svechnikov has 8 & Lowry is next with a pathetic 5.
What in the heck?
Paul Maurice quit?!?!?
He probably had enough of the crappy play of his players.
Quote from: The Zipp on December 15, 2021, 01:37:19 PM
I will give you a hint - it's the coach
I guess POMO agreed with me...classy move to realize it and do the right thing.
Quote from: Jesse on December 17, 2021, 02:55:13 PM
What in the heck?
Paul Maurice quit?!?!?
yes and thank god! With this line we should be between. It is friggin amazing Huddy has been here for 11 years and sucks!
Quote from: The Zipp on December 17, 2021, 03:44:18 PM
I guess POMO agreed with me...classy move to realize it and do the right thing.
Or he realized whatever he's selling the players aren't buying anymore and did what TNSE should've had the yams to do. Good on him to just own his side and resign but it's not just the head coach that's ailing this busted team.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 17, 2021, 06:00:19 PM
Or he realized whatever he's selling the players aren't buying anymore and did what TNSE should've had the yams to do. Good on him to just own his side and resign but it's not just the head coach that's ailing this busted team.
agree...Chevy should be next.
What a classy gentleman. PM did a heck of a good job & then took the high road in stepping away.
I don't think he will be unemployed long. A lot of players on this team are underachieving this year.
PP sucks, PK suck, our D zone play sucks. 4th. line terrible. Thank god KC81, PL80, and Helli have been rock solid.
Quote from: The Zipp on December 17, 2021, 06:14:22 PM
agree...Chevy should be next.
You're really on the fire/trade everyone team, eh
Quote from: blue_or_die on December 17, 2021, 07:22:03 PM
You're really on the fire/trade everyone team, eh
hahahahaha
Classic
Yes....yes I am - take a tiny bit of info and scorched earth it...that is the extent of my fandom.
Quote from: blue_or_die on December 17, 2021, 07:22:03 PM
You're really on the fire/trade everyone team, eh
He's next if this team continues to stink out the place. Or he should be.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 17, 2021, 10:20:18 PM
He's next if this team continues to stink out the place. Or he should be.
Chevy got us the horses. All we talked about for years was his incredible draft and develop strategy and getting the best players locked up long term for great contracts. We had some weaknesses on D and addressed them this summer and that?s all we talked about. It?s up to the coaches and players to get the job done on the ice now. Not sure what else a GM could possibly do.
I am not sure I am pulling my goalie with 2:45 left in the game, down by one.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 18, 2021, 03:44:17 AM
I am not sure I am pulling my goalie with 2:45 left in the game, down by one.
Agree, dumb.
Well the fans who were giving Maurice the Bronx cheer got their wish, he resigned. If you think the teams poor performance is his fault you?re delusional. Gone is our big, strong talented D in trouba , Myers, charot and buff and we ve replaced them with what?garbage backend that always coughs up the puck. Trade away a pure goal scorer for an average centremen and you see this tam has clearly regressed in the last 3 years.
I wish PM well, he was always a class act and knows his stuff. Lowry ain?t head coach material and neither is cruddy, this team was going to have a tough time making the playoffs, it now will fade to black, Chevy gets canned and we start over. Brutal.
Manitoba Moose are shut down till after Christmas. The Jets and Predators are postponed on Tuesday.
https://twitter.com/WpgJetsPR/status/1472619315212034050
TRANSACTIONS: The #NHLJets have placed F - Blake Wheeler on Long-Term Injured Reserve and have recalled F - Kristian Reichel and F - C.J. Suess from the Manitoba Moose (AHL).
Jets played a solid game. The line of 27/55/25 had an excellent game. Helli was rock solid. I thought our D played better in our own end of the ice.
PK has been much better the last 5 games. PP scored today, but need to be better. Like having 9/17/21.
The NB28 fight today was why we need to have this guy around. That fight is what this team needs once in awhile.
Jets certainly have had some wonderful chances without finishes in past several games --- definitely pleased one line finished
Great smiles on the teams faces can sure make the break more bearable
Season's Best Wishes & hope Santa is good to all
Quote from: blue_or_die on December 17, 2021, 11:44:33 PM
Chevy got us the horses. All we talked about for years was his incredible draft and develop strategy and getting the best players locked up long term for great contracts. We had some weaknesses on D and addressed them this summer and that?s all we talked about. It?s up to the coaches and players to get the job done on the ice now. Not sure what else a GM could possibly do.
While I agree with you, it doesn't change the fact he's likely next on the chopping block should this team falter and miss the post-season. It's just the nature of the business.
Season ticket holders will get first crack at tickets for the next 4 games.
Copp and Ves93 in covid protocol.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 22, 2021, 10:37:44 PM
Season ticket holders will get first crack at tickets for the next 4 games.
Lol... not so much. Looks like a LOT of STH's are po'd...
It is almost like True North doesn't want STH's at any games, they'd rather casual Jets fans get COVID rather than STH's... and they know they are going to have to refund them all, and it takes a lot longer to give money back to non STH's... might even have some non STH's that don't get their money back...
Whatever, not like I'm a potential customer for these tickets... even without the games being superspreader events.
Quote from: theaardvark on December 24, 2021, 07:27:20 PM
Lol... not so much. Looks like a LOT of STH's are po'd...
It is almost like True North doesn't want STH's at any games, they'd rather casual Jets fans get COVID rather than STH's... and they know they are going to have to refund them all, and it takes a lot longer to give money back to non STH's... might even have some non STH's that don't get their money back...
Whatever, not like I'm a potential customer for these tickets... even without the games being superspreader events.
Or it's almost like TNSE has to share the games equally among STHs based on the new 50% capacity limit.
The four currently affected games were split, along with STHs, into two groups. Group A gets two games, Group B gets two games. Of course this won't make everyone happy but it is what it is in light of what's going in with the rise in cases. For each group, refunds will be issued for the games missed.
But I fully expect NHL games to go crowdless yet again across the country in very short order.
Not sure where you get your info but there's no way TNSE will just pocket money spent on tickets and not issue refunds. I doubt there's any basis in reality in what you've said, based on your history opining about the Jets and TNSE.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 24, 2021, 08:02:28 PM
Or it's almost like TNSE has to share the games equally among STHs based on the new 50% capacity limit.
The four currently affected games were split, along with STHs, into two groups. Group A gets two games, Group B gets two games. Of course this won't make everyone happy but it is what it is in light of what's going in with the rise in cases. For each group, refunds will be issued for the games missed.
But I fully expect NHL games to go crowdless yet again across the country in very short order.
Not sure where you get your info but there's no way TNSE will just pocket money spent on tickets and not issue refunds. I doubt there's any basis in reality in what you've said, based on your history opining about the Jets and TNSE.
I was being ironical... of course the Jets will redeem every unused ticket...
As to STH's getting seats... looks like they were selling an awful lot of tickets that STH's should have been given... there should have been zero tickets offered for sale before every STH had had a chance to claim their 4 games... but I'm guessing a large number of STH's didn't even want their 2 games... because, COVID.
Quote from: theaardvark on December 24, 2021, 10:04:09 PM
I was being ironical... of course the Jets will redeem every unused ticket...
As to STH's getting seats... looks like they were selling an awful lot of tickets that STH's should have been given... there should have been zero tickets offered for sale before every STH had had a chance to claim their 4 games... but I'm guessing a large number of STH's didn't even want their 2 games... because, COVID.
True, we were offered our 2 game pack, and decided to pass. They then went on sale to the general public.
Nice story: PS25 has NE27 over for Christmas as NE27 couldn't travel home. The Stastny family reaches out to Ehlers mom to see what the Ehlers family Christmas traditions were. Good on PS25 and family.
Jet's out shot 22-10 in the 1st.
Gus injured again. 2:19 last game, 2:37 this game.
Harkins with a nice goal.
Reichel ties it up.
Jet's skating much better in the 2nd.
Nice OT win.
Another 2 points. I like really like PL80 game right now.
It looks as if coach Lowry has the team playing pretty well.
Thursday's game against the Avs will be a good test.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 05, 2022, 03:38:43 AM
Another 2 points. I like really like PL80 game right now.
PLD80? Pr PD80? ;) Just making sure...
Rumours about Nik Ehlers dealing with something personal, tearing up with the empty netter... any more info?
It's PL80 or Dubie to us. But if you like PLD or PD run with it.
Quote from: PloenFan on January 05, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
It looks as if coach Lowry has the team playing pretty well.
Thursday's game against the Avs will be a good test.
I agree, this will give us a good idea where this team is at.
Harkins and DeMelo in COVID protocol, Stastny questionable for tonight. Perfetti in.
It's to bad we mite be down two D-men for tonight's game. However every team is dealing with this. I also thought Harkins was playing some of his best hockey lately.
Well that was pretty sad.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 07, 2022, 03:43:58 AM
Well that was pretty sad.
That was all kinds of ugly from the middle frame until the end of regulation.
Well no hockey for a week now. Jet's have a few things to work on. Maybe get PS25 back by then.
Didn't like the Jet's letting MacDermid away with all his crap last night. One of our big boys needs to step up.
Colorado played well, but Bucky kind of made them look good on a few of the goals.
Hopefully he bounces back next game.
Ehlers placed in COVID Protocol.
Beaulieu, Heinola, Stanley, Reichel in COVID Protocol.
Wheeler apparently skated with the team today, so that's good.
Any word on PS25.
Looks like they are putting everyone into protocol while they have time off... good idea, get it out of the way ;)
Quote from: Pigskin on January 11, 2022, 09:25:45 PM
Any word on PS25.
All indications are he's travelling with the team to Detroit for tomorrow's game.
Caught last night on Global that DeMelo didn?t clear protocol as Harkins did.
Thus the Jets may need 2 new Dmen in lineup vs Detroit. One apparently will be Samberg
Comrie and Dillon in COVID Protocol. Poganski called up from the Moose.
Why not just call the whole Moose team up to play in Detroit... and sub in some Jets for any Moose in protocol...
Every team in the NHL has gone thought this at some point this year. Don't like it, but it's a chance to see our young talent playing at the NHL level.
Season's basically a write-off this year anyway. Might as well see how good the young guys are.
Pretty good game, including the rookie defencemen, and the PK on Detroit's 6 on 3 man advantage at the end of the game.
Are young players had a solid game. CP91 played well with 80/81. Helli was excellent.
Quote from: blue_or_die on January 13, 2022, 08:44:19 PM
Season's basically a write-off this year anyway. Might as well see how good the young guys are.
It's a tall order in this division but the Jets now have quite a few games in hand, which is to their benefit if they win consistently. As of now, they're only 2 points out of a WC spot with 4 games in hand over the Sharks.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 14, 2022, 03:43:11 AM
Are young players had a solid game. CP91 played well with 80/81. Helli was excellent.
Michigan boys came to play last night!
Samberg had a solid NHL debut. I hope we see more of him with the big club.
Sambreg was solid, and Chisholm impressed. Poganski, meh.
Saw tweets saying Samberg/Chisholm > Stanley, and I think a:wrong, and b: way too early. But there is no doubt they should be getting some NHL reps, and Beauleiu shouldn't see the ice again unless covid takes out the rest of the D...
Tend to agree with less Beaulieu (but he is reasonable vet) and more Samberg
Really was a great result and a pretty decent team effort with kudos to PK & definitely HellB
Who is in, who is out, for the Jet's tonight.
Poganski, Perfetti & Samberg are suiting up again, with also Stanley, Reichel & Ehlers back in the lineup
Nice to see CP91 get his first goal. He's playing well with 80/81.
Two Jet's behind the net in OT, MS55 should have picked up Wilson.
Hope NE27 is okay. How many games will Orlov get.
Not a bad road effort. Terrible OT.
OT was a disaster. But take the loser point and move on.
Nice to see Perfetti get his first in the bigs!
I am not that impressed with NS88 play in the D zone.
NE27 out for at least 3 games.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
NE27 out for at least 3 games.
Orlov had a hearing with DOPS today. Hopefully, he misses a few, too.
Orlov gets 2 games.
These suspensions on intent to injure penalties should be "2 games" PLUS however long the injured player is out... I know that sounds harsh, but it would end a player doing this crap.
Huge test and meaningful divisional game tonight in Trashville.
Well CP91 has found a spot with PL80 and KC81. The kid hasn't found the finish yet, but he is very good with the puck, and an excellent set up man.
I thought the Jet's played very well in the 2nd, and 3rd period.
PP could have won us that game in the 2nd, period. Great movement, need more finish.
250 fans allowed at the next Jet's home game. I guess that's family and friends.
Seem to keep hitting hot goalies, or are our shooters just hitting the goalie?
Out played them, out shot them, and lost again...
Can we still blame Maurice?
Hurts losing Ehlers...
Quote from: theaardvark on January 21, 2022, 03:27:38 PM
Seem to keep hitting hot goalies, or are our shooters just hitting the goalie?
Out played them, out shot them, and lost again...
Can we still blame Maurice?
Hurts losing Ehlers...
True but before we were facing no-names who we made look like superstars. This is just was Juuse Saros has been doing all year (unfortunately for us).
Sound like Wheeler, and Dillon should be back for tomorrows game.
Jet's at 2pm today.
Well we played well in the first period and the second half of the third.
PP just not getting the job done.
Early game tomorrow 12 noon start.
After the first Bruins tended to minimize Jets effort ?.. Pasternak completed the sad show
Does Comrie get in today ??. had coach Lowry committed to him days earlier
Does coach go with HellB cuz he gives Jets best chance ?????
I really like the way Toninato and Poganski are playing. Both guys skate well and finish there checks.
Playing a very good game so far. Some iffy penalties.
Bad play by Helli.
NE27 out until mid Feb. not good.
A few loser points on a mostly unforgettable road trip.
Nice to see Wheeler back it sucks to see Ehlers out.
One of the best teams in hockey. Have to play a very good game tonight to get a W.
Well we hung in there, but with a few key pieces out and another bad clearing by Helli, we just didn't have enough.
Really like PL80/CP91/KC81. CP91 is a playmaker.
Hellebuck can't stay in his net and he goes down very early. If he wants to play like a defenseman than he should have been one. Other teams know put the puck behind the net. The goalie will leave the net
Jet's 4th. line really had a rough night, and the 9/55/26 did nothing most of the night.
Anyone what to fire the coach yet. lol
Quote from: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 03:24:33 AM
Well we hung in there, but with a few key pieces out and another bad clearing by Helli, we just didn't have enough.
Really like PL80/CP91/KC81. CP91 is a playmaker.
80/91/81 is going to be a stellar line for many years to come, I hope... perfect balance, 2 natural C's... set up guy, sniper and in the paint scoring dirty guy... Chevy needs to make this a long term situation. In my books, 80>55, so if 26/55/(9)27 is line 2 going forward, I'm ok with that...
When does the "new message" start?
Quote from: Jesse on January 28, 2022, 11:53:55 AM
Next season.
So, season ticket refunds an option?
I get the difficulties facing the team, an the plethora of young guns getting NHL ice time, but the leaders gotta lead. Wheeler is invisible. MS55 is invisible. Helle is far too visible, in the wrong way.
Ehlers is sorely missed. Not just for his touch, but for his joy. This team lost the best player at that when Buff departed, and we need more of that in the locker room. We have a team of hard working skill players and muckers, but we need some leadership. The Maurice voice might not have been the problem, it was his top players that were responsible for passing along the message that seem to be the issue.
Quote from: theaardvark on January 28, 2022, 03:37:13 PM
So, season ticket refunds an option?
I get the difficulties facing the team, an the plethora of young guns getting NHL ice time, but the leaders gotta lead. Wheeler is invisible. MS55 is invisible. Helle is far too visible, in the wrong way.
Ehlers is sorely missed. Not just for his touch, but for his joy. This team lost the best player at that when Buff departed, and we need more of that in the locker room. We have a team of hard working skill players and muckers, but we need some leadership. The Maurice voice might not have been the problem, it was his top players that were responsible for passing along the message that seem to be the issue.
Why would refunds be an option?
This team has dealt with its share of injuries, COVID protocol absences, and a head coach stepping down. Saying the leaders aren't leading in spite of all that doesn't make it accurate just because you think so.
Consistency is key. And the Jets don't have much, if any, in this weird season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on January 28, 2022, 07:16:48 PM
Why would refunds be an option?
This team has dealt with its share of injuries, COVID protocol absences, and a head coach stepping down. Saying the leaders aren't leading in spite of all that doesn't make it accurate just because you think so.
Consistency is key. And the Jets don't have much, if any, in this weird season.
Keep forgetting to put the /sarcastica font before my sarcastic comments... sorry. Of course people who paid for seasons tickets in a pandemic are stuck with them, minus games cancelled on account of the pandemic...
Yes, consistency is key. We have had a lot of talent in reserve because we don't want to run out the clock on their ELC's... and "don't want to rush them", while we ice guys like Beaulieu and Poganski ... Perfetti and Samberg should never don a Moose jersey again. Maurice is gone, no need to play the vets and coddle the young'uns anymore...
True North Tank is on!!
Should have fired Chevy already.
Terrible performance last night. It's the Canucks with there 4th. string goalie.
6 straight loses. Worst losing streak this year.
Very hard to watch.
Not blaming losing to the Canucks because the whole team did not play well. But hellebuyck is 29 th in the league for save percentage. But be did not play that good this game either. He shouldn't be playing as much and the coach should sit him let him play half the games .
2 pm start today for the Jets. Don't know how much I will watch, as the fishing was excellent this morning. However I guess I could bring the lap top down to the shack.
Quote from: buckzumhoff on January 29, 2022, 01:42:23 PM
Not blaming losing to the Canucks because the whole team did not play well. But hellebuyck is 29 th in the league for save percentage. But be did not play that good this game either. He shouldn't be playing as much and the coach should sit him let him play half the games .
I agree Helli need a a break. But playing only 1/2 the games. Just not enough for a starting goalie.
Not a bad 1st. period.
Young D solid so far.
Nice win for the Jets, they needed that one.
Comrie played well.
The young defencemen, Heinola, Chisholm, and Kovacevic, played well, the team seemed to be skating, and Comrie had an outstanding game.
6 pm early start tonight. This a team the Jets should beat.
Definitely agree on how well Comrie & the youngsters on defense played ........ now Morrisey & HellB are back in the lineup tonight
........ we need a solid effort and as the Flyers are reeling down the middle, due to injuries, it's time for the Jets to dominate & go home victorious.
Well the PK was pretty good tonight.
Flyers first goal, the Flyers should have had a penalty. Hooking, tripping, interference, pick one.
Crummy end to a pretty meh game. I just don't see this team having the horses to battle for a playoff spot.
Flyers were short players, and we were still down some key guys... so it should have been a good game, and it was until one errant pass.
Fans in the building were definitely a plus for Philly, you can bet that subconsciously the lack of fans in our barn of late is not helping the psyche of our team.
CH37 trade rumours to Edm aren't helping, neither did the team playing lights out in front of Comrie but not CH37. If we can swing a trade to get MAF here, I might give up on our consistent Vezina trophy contender tender. And bring Berndin up to season for next year... I know this is going to get totally trashed, but something needs to change... Its either moving MS55 / BW26 (or both) or CH37... need to really shake up things.
Or get your new coach behind the bench. Lowry needs to get a twitter handle like his son... @ALowsyPlayer17... maybe @DLowsyCoach22
Hellebuyck to the Oilers? LOL
Quote from: theaardvark on February 02, 2022, 04:31:04 PM
Flyers were short players, and we were still down some key guys... so it should have been a good game, and it was until one errant pass.
Fans in the building were definitely a plus for Philly, you can bet that subconsciously the lack of fans in our barn of late is not helping the psyche of our team.
CH37 trade rumours to Edm aren't helping, neither did the team playing lights out in front of Comrie but not CH37. If we can swing a trade to get MAF here, I might give up on our consistent Vezina trophy contender tender. And bring Berndin up to season for next year... I know this is going to get totally trashed, but something needs to change... Its either moving MS55 / BW26 (or both) or CH37... need to really shake up things.
Or get your new coach behind the bench. Lowry needs to get a twitter handle like his son... @ALowsyPlayer17... maybe @DLowsyCoach22
Reading some dumb oiler fan on twitter wanting Helle is not a trade rumour.
No team trades a vezina winner in their prime.
aards needs to also give up on his "trade Scheifele" campaign.
Well, whatever they are doing, its not working. MS55 and BW26 just seem to miss PauMo... maybe a change of scenery is what they need. Or a change of coach, Lowry doesn't seem to be changing the dynamic all that much...
And sure, you never trade a Vezina goaler in his prime. Especially when you don't have a proven backup. But CH37's play with the puck, fat rebounds and flat out beats have been very un-Vezina like, and unless he gets his Mojo back, he's not going to either help the team win or get Vezina votes (he's already missed that conversation for 21-22) So, is he in his prime still? I'd take a MAF right now, I think he'd fit better...
When pundits talk about the team "playing for Comrie", it makes you wonder about the other side... are they not playing for CH37? And is he feeling "out on an island"?
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 02, 2022, 06:26:36 PM
aards needs to also give up on his "trade Scheifele" campaign.
Yes, it's getting old.
I am with Ards this time to trade ol Caribou legs for a Nice kings ransom. The future should start now. We are done!
Fefe has played with no energy grit or heart for almost 2 years. Something has happened to him I do not know what?
7500 fans for Tuesdays game. Nice to get some energy back into the building.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 02, 2022, 11:29:00 PM
I am with Ards this time to trade ol Caribou legs for a Nice kings ransom. The future should start now. We are done!
Fefe has played with no energy grit or heart for almost 2 years. Something has happened to him I do not know what?
"Caribou legs, no energy, no heart..." "Trade him for a nice kings ransom." LOL :D
Quote from: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 03:39:36 AM
7500 fans for Tuesdays game. Nice to get some energy back into the building.
Pretty excited about this.
The problem with trading Scheifele is what you're going to get in return. If you trade him for win now pieces, then how on earth are you going to get a better centre out of that deal? And if you get a winger or defenceman or something how are you going to fill the hole in the middle of the ice and get some depth there for a playoff run? If you're throwing the the towel and doing a rebuild, then you are going to move out more than Scheifele to restock the cupboards for 2 to 5 years down the road. If you do that, there is absolutely no guarantee you draft better players than Scheifele, Connor, Hellebuyck, etc. This isn't the CFL where you can live off free agency and one year contracts. It's going to be several years and there's no guarantees at the end of it. There are a bunch of teams who have had high draft picks and have been rebuilding like, 5-10 years now.
Which is to say nothing about his ridiculously friendly contract that still has two years to go.
Trading away #55 would be absurd.
TSN reporting that if the Jets are to be sellers, it will probably be Copp and PS25. PS25 still chasing a cup. Copp negotiation not going well.
MS55 at 6M a year is a an excellent contract for his skill set.
I wonder if BW26 would be open to a trade, and if anyone would want him with cap hit at 8.25M per.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 03:23:06 PM
TSN reporting that if the Jets are to be sellers, it will probably be Copp and PS25. PS25 still chasing a cup. Copp negotiation not going well.
MS55 at 6M a year is a an excellent contract for his skill set.
I wonder if BW26 would be open to a trade, and if anyone would want him with cap hit at 8.25M per.
I would really try to move Wheeler out but we'd have to eat a large chunk of salary. Theoretically possible, but also pretty unlikely I would imagine.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2022, 03:24:24 PM
I would really try to move Wheeler out but we'd have to eat a large chunk of salary. Theoretically possible, but also pretty unlikely I would imagine.
Salary retention would probably be required on the Jets' part but I can't say I like that idea. It's a pretty untradeable contract at present.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 02:58:23 PM
Which is to say nothing about his ridiculously friendly contract that still has two years to go.
Trading away #55 would be absurd.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The problem with trading Scheifele is what you're going to get in return. If you trade him for win now pieces, then how on earth are you going to get a better centre out of that deal? And if you get a winger or defenceman or something how are you going to fill the hole in the middle of the ice and get some depth there for a playoff run? If you're throwing the the towel and doing a rebuild, then you are going to move out more than Scheifele to restock the cupboards for 2 to 5 years down the road. If you do that, there is absolutely no guarantee you draft better players than Scheifele, Connor, Hellebuyck, etc. This isn't the CFL where you can live off free agency and one year contracts. It's going to be several years and there's no guarantees at the end of it. There are a bunch of teams who have had high draft picks and have been rebuilding like, 5-10 years now.
Not sure we *need* a "C" back for MS55. It seems to be a depth position for us now... I'd far prefer to re-sign Copp, which gets a lot easier without MS55... both from a $$ standpoint, and a positional standpoint. Can Copp be a #2 "C"? With Ehlers and Wheeler?
Dubois is our defacto #1 "C" now, from all standpoints. Duboise, Perfetti, Connor is a #1 line that should stay together for a decade, please.
So, do you have MS55 centering line 2? Or Copp?
You don't need any players back for MS55... picks/prospects are fine. Its not like we need to bring in someone to take his spot in the lineup.
If you package his good contract with Wheeler's... does that make the potential for the trade easier? Does anyone have cap space to be a buyer in that deal? Do we take back a high$ expiring contract to make the numbers work?
Moving on from Maurice was to get a new voice... but so long as BW26 and MS55 are still doing the talking... did it change anything?
So first it was Moe, now it's MS55 and BW26, if that doesn't work who would be next on your list.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 06:03:44 PM
So first it was Moe, now it's MS55 and BW26, if that doesn't work who would be next on your list.
Moe left... said the team needed a new voice...
Lowry was part of that voice, although it seems to have a different tone now, but not getting the results.
MS55 and BW26 were a big part of that voice, and supposed to be the leaders. Unfortunately, BW26's "lead with hustle" doesn't seem to be working, and MS55, when asked if the team has an identity, said "Nope". He wears an "A" and is supposed to be a main part of that identity...
Whether Moe lost the room (and these players), or its something else, they obviously need some shaking up. I have no doubt that if MS55 and BW26 get moved, whoever gets them will get some great production out of them.
Here, I think the void their exit would create gets filled instantly and effectively, regardless what pieces come back.
Next to go? I think everyone knows... Chevy...
Imagine wanting to keep Copp over Scheifele.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
Imagine wanting to keep Copp over Scheifele.
AC9: (27). 453 games. 73G, 104A 177 points. Pending UFA. Last year, 55 games, 39 points.
MS55: (28). 611 games, 211G, 325A 536 points. Control on a very friendly contract till 2024. Last year 56 games, 63 points.
So last year MS55 was over a point a game.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 08:00:01 PM
AC9: (27). 453 games. 73G, 104A 177 points. Pending UFA. Last year, 55 games, 39 points.
MS55: (28). 611 games, 211G, 325A 536 points. Control on a very friendly contract till 2024. Last year 56 games, 63 points.
So last year MS55 was over a point a game.
2021-22
Games G A PTS +/-
AC9 42 12 16 28 +2
MS55 38 10 19 29 -12
Just sayin'
Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 09:17:59 PM
2021-22
Games G A PTS +/-
AC9 42 12 16 28 +2
MS55 38 10 19 29 -12
Just sayin'
What a self-own. LOL :D
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 09:22:00 PM
What a self-own. LOL :D
He's wrong anyway because MS55 has only played 36 games.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 09:36:22 PM
He's wrong anyway because MS55 has only played 36 games.
I stand corrected.. 36 games... I couldn't read my messy writing... the rest is correct, right? Especially the +2 and -12 stats?
Moving MS55 means re-signing AC9 gets a LOT easier... I think a NE27, AC9, BW26 is a pretty solid 2nd line... or if you get a RHS RW back in a MS55/BW26 trade...
6 mil/yr for pre 21-22 MS55 is a great deal... but not a huge deal for current MS55... especially with the team identity comment sitting over his head...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 09:44:51 PM
I stand corrected.. 36 games... I couldn't read my messy writing... the rest is correct, right? Especially the +2 and -12 stats?
Moving MS55 means re-signing AC9 gets a LOT easier... I think a NE27, AC9, BW26 is a pretty solid 2nd line... or if you get a RHS RW back in a MS55/BW26 trade...
6 mil/yr for pre 21-22 MS55 is a great deal... but not a huge deal for current MS55... especially with the team identity comment sitting over his head...
Little over the top with trading MS55. 6- 20 plus goal seasons, 6- 60 plus point season, and we want to replace him with a guy that has never scored more then 15 goals, and has never had more then a 39 point season.
Trade BW26, and PS25, and getting a few picks I am okay with. MS55 would have to be for a pretty good player.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 09:48:16 PM
Little over the top with trading MS55. 6- 20 plus goal seasons, 6- 60 plus point season, and we want to replace him with a guy that has never scored more then 15 goals, and has never had more then a 39 point season.
Trade BW26, and PS25, and getting a few picks I am okay with. MS55 would have to be for a pretty good player.
I can't see affording or signing AC9 with PD80 and MS55 both on the team ahead of him... and MS55's production has dropped, and he's been soft a while... much prefer a more affordable and reliable ACC9 right now...
MS55 isn't having a good year, but that can be said about a lot of Jets. Let's remember last year he scored more then a point a game. Once NE27 gets back with 55 and 26 the points will pickup.
Anyone who would compare Scheifele and Copp on equal terms and then attempt to justify how the latter is better based on less than half a season has zero hockey knowledge.
If you want to make cap space to sign Copp and PL80 there are other way of doing it.
PS25 is at 3.75M, NB28 another 1.25M, trade one of our 5M plus D-men which for me would be NS88 with a cap hit of $5.9M. Good offensively, poor play in the D zone. A few of our young D men are ready to make the jump.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 02:12:04 PM
Anyone who would compare Scheifele and Copp on equal terms and then attempt to justify how the latter is better based on less than half a season has zero hockey knowledge.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 03:56:51 PM
If you want to make cap space to sign Copp and PL80 there are other way of doing it.
PS25 is at 3.75M, NB28 another 1.25M, trade one of our 5M plus D-men which for me would be NS88 with a cap hit of $5.9M. Good offensively, poor play in the D zone. A few of our young D men are ready to make the jump.
I guess my "no hockey knowledge" is being missed by you guys...
AC9 is and will be a good #2 C in the NHL, either on our team, or on another, as he is a UFA.
MS55 has been soft for a while, and absolutely stinks right now. And, from reports, I think that his attitude might be a problem as well. Maurice was the only NHL HC he ever played for, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but whatever the reason, his "cap friendly" $6 mil contract isn't so friendly at -12 and with PD80 taking the #1 C title through effort and results.
The dynamic of this team is altered dramatically from a year ago. 91, 81, 80 is our top line. 55, 26, x is a second line. 9 is on it for now, but will leave us in FA if the #2 C spot remains filled.
Multiple birds, one stone. Make AC9 our permanent #2 C and pay him with MS55's money for next year. Get a top notch RW on a large expiring contract and a DP or two back for BW26 and MS55. Line 2 becomes NewRW, AC9, NE27 .
New leaders, new dynamic, and the team gets an Identity, which, apparently, MS55 thinks they do not have right now, with him being a leader...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
I guess my "no hockey knowledge" is being missed by you guys...
AC9 is and will be a good #2 C in the NHL, either on our team, or on another, as he is a UFA.
MS55 has been soft for a while, and absolutely stinks right now. And, from reports, I think that his attitude might be a problem as well. Maurice was the only NHL HC he ever played for, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but whatever the reason, his "cap friendly" $6 mil contract isn't so friendly at -12 and with PD80 taking the #1 C title through effort and results.
The dynamic of this team is altered dramatically from a year ago. 91, 81, 80 is our top line. 55, 26, x is a second line. 9 is on it for now, but will leave us in FA if the #2 C spot remains filled.
Multiple birds, one stone. Make AC9 our permanent #2 C and pay him with MS55's money for next year. Get a top notch RW on a large expiring contract and a DP or two back for BW26 and MS55. Line 2 becomes NewRW, AC9, NE27 .
New leaders, new dynamic, and the team gets an Identity, which, apparently, MS55 thinks they do not have right now, with him being a leader...
Okay, LMAO. Glad your not our GM.
AC needs to drop down to the third line, AL to the 4th, and we need to actually use all 4 lines.
Same GD issues we saw under Maurice.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
I guess my "no hockey knowledge" is being missed by you guys...
AC9 is and will be a good #2 C in the NHL, either on our team, or on another, as he is a UFA.
MS55 has been soft for a while, and absolutely stinks right now. And, from reports, I think that his attitude might be a problem as well. Maurice was the only NHL HC he ever played for, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but whatever the reason, his "cap friendly" $6 mil contract isn't so friendly at -12 and with PD80 taking the #1 C title through effort and results.
The dynamic of this team is altered dramatically from a year ago. 91, 81, 80 is our top line. 55, 26, x is a second line. 9 is on it for now, but will leave us in FA if the #2 C spot remains filled.
Multiple birds, one stone. Make AC9 our permanent #2 C and pay him with MS55's money for next year. Get a top notch RW on a large expiring contract and a DP or two back for BW26 and MS55. Line 2 becomes NewRW, AC9, NE27 .
New leaders, new dynamic, and the team gets an Identity, which, apparently, MS55 thinks they do not have right now, with him being a leader...
I mean, I said
zero hockey knowledge, so at least quote it properly.
And your word salad reinforces exactly that. Saying Scheifele has been "soft for a while" and he "absolutely stinks right now" is hysterical conjecture at best*. Third in team scoring, second in assists, roughly 50% in the dot... Yeah, what a putrid excuse of a hockey player. LOL :D
He also played under Claude Noel, BTW**. So, you trying to blame Maurice in your absurd narrative holds no merit whatsoever.
Imagine using +/- to prop up an already feeble argument that his contract is bad. Like I said: zero hockey knowledge.
Copp's a solid, versatile forward who's having a very strong season in contract year as a pending UFA. But that shouldn't be overstated to rationalize him deserving a permanent 2C role (here or anywhere else) and giving him more than he's worth. There's a reason he's gone to salary arbitration multiple times as a RFA, which should be indication enough he plans to test the market as a UFA in the coming off-season.
Jee-zus, I need an Advil.
*
0.81 PPG flies in the face of your hyperbole**
he suited up for 58 NHL games with Noel behind the bench
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 06:02:16 PM
I mean, I said zero hockey knowledge, so at least quote it properly.
And your word salad reinforces exactly that. Saying Scheifele has been "soft for a while" and he "absolutely stinks right now" is hysterical conjecture at best*. Third in team scoring, second in assists, roughly 50% in the dot... Yeah, what a putrid excuse of a hockey player. LOL :D
He also played under Claude Noel, BTW**. So, you trying to blame Maurice in your absurd narrative holds no merit whatsoever.
Imagine using +/- to prop up an already feeble argument that his contract is bad. Like I said: zero hockey knowledge.
Copp's a solid, versatile forward who's having a very strong season in contract year as a pending UFA. But that shouldn't be overstated to rationalize him deserving a permanent 2C role (here or anywhere else) and giving him more than he's worth. There's a reason he's gone to salary arbitration multiple times as a RFA, which should be indication enough he plans to test the market as a UFA in the coming off-season.
Jee-zus, I need an Advil.
* 0.81 PPG flies in the face of your hyperbole
** he suited up for 58 NHL games with Noel behind the bench
+/- is a stat that some people put too much emphasis on, but also one that people put too little. By "soft", he is giving up defensive opportunities. If you score that much AND are -12, that says a lot. Also, MS55 has twice the PP points... and half the hits.
I'm saying, that as a #2 C, Copp would fit well. And come in at less than the cap friendly $6mil MS55 gets. Leaving some to sign PD80, especially if you can package him with BW26...
AL17 is a good fit at #3C, and we have lots od C on the roster for #4...
Just saying, MS55 has become redundant, and I'd rather keep PD80 and AC9 than MS55...
I've been a Scheifele fan for years, but he has lost me this year. I've yelled at the screen too many times, and when the statement about team identity surfaced, that was the straw...
You cannot have a leader that does not think your team has an identity.
Moving on from Maurice hasn't worked, things need to shake up. Give the team a chance to gel under the new leadership. Conner, Dubois, Perfetti, Ehlers, Copp, Lowry... these guys are ready to take over. MS55 and BW26 aren't leading worth a **** right now. Maybe even a trade rumour might wake them up... but I think, long term, the team is ready to move on...
Quote from: Jesse on February 04, 2022, 05:19:40 PM
AC needs to drop down to the third line, AL to the 4th, and we need to actually use all 4 lines.
Same GD issues we saw under Maurice.
Agree, or AC9 back with AL17 on the third line where they so well together.
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?
My head hurts.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 04, 2022, 06:54:41 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?
My head hurts.
Tell us about it.
What does everyone figure AC9 is worth for his next contract. For me it's 4-4.5M max.
What does everyone think PL80 worth. PL80 on a 2 year bridge deal until we get rid of BW26 contract. 6.5-7M.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 04, 2022, 06:54:41 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?
My head hurts.
Would you like me to grab you an Advil, too?
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 04, 2022, 06:54:41 PM
What did I just walk into? Are we talking about trading Scheifele and that Copp is better because of +/-?
My head hurts.
Again, not saying Copp is better. Just a better fit. MS55 is not our #1 C anymore, and if we want to keep PD80, and AC9, how do we keep MS55 too?
And the +/- reference is addressing MS55's current play. He may be putting up points, but opponents are putting up more when he is on the ice.
+/- is arguably the most useless, outdated statistic in hockey. It's almost as if there are other players on the ice for GF and GA.
+/- is better geared to lines/pairings and how good overall an entire team is. That's about it.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
Would you like me to grab you an Advil, too?
Do you have one for me also.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 08:27:25 PM
Do you have one for me also.
I most certainly do. Wash it down with some hot chocolate. :D
Agree Pigskin bout Copp?s max cap hit but I just sense he values his self as a #2 centre.
As such, if team finishes year together, than I would hazard to guess, Copp would see no room here
as a #2 (certainly not #1) & take his act elsewhere for $5.M
PLD will hopefully rally & become a point a game player by end of regular season.
However, should he come in a range of say 65-70 points, Chevy would be lucky to get him to
bridge at no more then $6.5M ?? otherwise this man will be looking for $8.M ?.. humble guess
It would be overthetop luck if Wheelers contract ever got picked up by another team.
He is needed by our team but this condensed upcoming schedule will certainly test his & PS25 legs
Chevy needs a younger rt. shot forward, like Boeser, down the stretch
Quote from: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 07:05:04 PM
Tell us about it.
What does everyone figure AC9 is worth for his next contract. For me it's 4-4.5M max.
What does everyone think PL80 worth. PL80 on a 2 year bridge deal until we get rid of BW26 contract. 6.5-7M.
I'm out on AC9 - we can't afford him and we've skunked this year up. We should trade him at the deadline and get something back.
I love your PLD80 number and hope all parties agree to that. Because he could certainly demand more, but maybe the bridge is a good way around that because he's still growing as a player.
Quote from: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
I'm out on AC9 - we can't afford him and we've skunked this year up. We should trade him at the deadline and get something back.
I love your PLD80 number and hope all parties agree to that. Because he could certainly demand more, but maybe the bridge is a good way around that because he's still growing as a player.
Not getting anything worthwhile for AC9 at the deadline, maybe a 3rd rounder or a prospect. Worth much more to retain negotiating rights up until FA day.
PL80 at less than $7mil will be a steal, on any term. I would happily give him the same contract BW26 is playing on right now... with the "C" to go with it. 5 years, $8.25mil would be awesome. Reference Laine at $7.5mil / 1 year...
Flip 26 and 85, frees up 14.375mil in cap space. Sign PD80 and AC9 to long term deals to solidify down the C, and find a 2nd line RW in FA that wants to play with AC9 and NE27 for the PS25 money...
New team dynamic going forward....
Quote from: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
I'm out on AC9 - we can't afford him and we've skunked this year up. We should trade him at the deadline and get something back.
Hard to get much of value for a pending UFA at the TDL, though.
My guess? Copp signs a multi-year deal with the Red Wings in the off-season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 05:30:47 PM
Hard to get much of value for a pending UFA at the TDL, though.
My guess? Copp signs a multi-year deal with the Red Wings in the off-season.
Agree, AC9 and PS25 will be the first to go once the Jets realize there not making the playoffs.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 04:33:36 PM
Not getting anything worthwhile for AC9 at the deadline, maybe a 3rd rounder or a prospect. Worth much more to retain negotiating rights up until FA day.
PL80 at less than $7mil will be a steal, on any term. I would happily give him the same contract BW26 is playing on right now... with the "C" to go with it. 5 years, $8.25mil would be awesome. Reference Laine at $7.5mil / 1 year...
Flip 26 and 85, frees up 14.375mil in cap space. Sign PD80 and AC9 to long term deals to solidify down the C, and find a 2nd line RW in FA that wants to play with AC9 and NE27 for the PS25 money...
New team dynamic going forward....
We don?t need to keep negotiating with a player that we can?t afford to keep.
It would have been worth it to keep him if we were having the successful season we all expected, but it hasn?t gone that way. So you trade him to get some value.
Even if the Jets were competing for a playoff spot, I wouldn't see Copp staying here unless the Jets really overpaid, both in money and term.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
Agree, AC9 and PS25 will be the first to go once the Jets realize there not making the playoffs.
Stastny doesn't get you much at the TDL with no term left on his deal, either. He'd be a solid vet rental for a playoff team, which means a meh draft pick at best.
Quote from: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 05:56:54 PM
We don?t need to keep negotiating with a player that we can?t afford to keep.
It would have been worth it to keep him if we were having the successful season we all expected, but it hasn?t gone that way. So you trade him to get some value.
Can't afford to keep him with 55 and 26 salaries on the books... be hard pressed to keep 80 past RFA as well...
Trading UFA's for rental is going to net late draft picks... at best. Retaining any of our UFA's is impossible with the present roster. PS25 will be gone, one way or the other after this season, might be a good guy to keep for mentoring purposes if all you get for him is a conditional 4th rounder...
Going forward, 26 and to a lesser degree 55 are going to age out of the lineup before we get truly competitive again. But, at this trade deadline, they have maximum value, for teams looking for help now, with some value for the next few years.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 06:04:17 PM
Even if the Jets were competing for a playoff spot, I wouldn't see Copp staying here unless the Jets really overpaid, both in money and term.
Stastny doesn't get you much at the TDL with no term left on his deal, either. He'd be a solid vet rental for a playoff team, which means a meh draft pick at best.
I would think AC9 would stay with a decent offer and a shot at #2 C...
Copp is one year younger then MS55. So the aging out when it comes to MS55 is another head shaker.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 06:08:17 PM
I would think AC9 would stay with a decent offer and a shot at #2 C...
You'd be wrong. He's a pending UFA and all realistic expectations are he's going to test the waters. The Jets would need to do more than make a decent offer to even be in the conversation. And this idea of "guaranteeing" him a 2C role is ridiculous when you've got two better centres on the roster in Scheifele and Dubois, not to mention smacks of favouritism.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 06:16:27 PM
Copp is one year younger then MS55. So the aging out when it comes to MS55 is another head shaker.
The narrative is comical.
Scheifele is an old man, apparently. Copp is a spring chicken by comparison despite being just a year younger. So absurd.
The guy just isn't a 2nd. line center on this team or many teams in the NHL.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 06:16:39 PM
You'd be wrong. He's a pending UFA and all realistic expectations are he's going to test the waters. The Jets would need to do more than make a decent offer to even be in the conversation. And this idea of "guaranteeing" him a 2C role is ridiculous when you've got two better centres on the roster in Scheifele and Dubois, not to mention smacks of favouritism.
The narrative is comical.
Scheifele is an old man, apparently. Copp is a spring chicken by comparison despite being just a year younger. So absurd.
No guarantee of C2, and if you move MS55 (the only way you can sign him to a long term deal) he is the second best C on the team...
Just saying, today, AC( is a better 200 ft player, and from the sounds of it, a better team player.
Who knows why MS55 is lacklustre right now.. long COVID, disgruntled by his "cap friendly" deal, or just burnt out... but unless he gets a fire lit under him, and steps up, I'm more than comfortable moving on from him. Reading that Lowry has benched him twice so far, I can see why watching his lack of hustle... maybe a stint in the press box wakes him up...
Well keep dreaming Copp will be our 2nd. line C.
Copp will not be here in any scenario whether Scheif is traded or not. I guess maybe if we offered some ridiculous price for a guy who may never be a stalwart top 6.
Jets window/ door is shut.
Schiffle has decided to quit on the team. He is still setting up the team's usual one goal, but he refuses to play any defence.
Cheldayoff doesn't know who to sign.
But at this point the team has so many holes, they have no hope.....as usual.
Kopp should be traded. He is not alone
Wheeler is. Done
Poink was a rediculous Signing. Tiny, Mr. Give away, move him.
Third. And fourth line guys.....will any of them score a fifth goal? No. We should play two of the five. The rest are AHL guys.
My favourite Peter Stasny,,might be done. Great assist guy though.m he needs some guys to play with.
The team has decent defemcemen.
Hellerbuck,is,grossly overpaid. The other guy, .....well the Jets will not even play him.
The team needs. Guys that would rather win, than just skate around. Tavin, Reeves should be available.
The Jets should dump,some salaries, hellerbuck, Wheeler, Ehlers ( always hurt) Pionk, Kopp, and Shieffle while he still has some value ...but don't draft tiny slow forwards.
I get the feeling ownership, might be realizing they can't get players here,,so sign and over pay mediocre guys and hope they improve with career years. A seemingly consistent record of top ten draft choices, provide a best as possible line up, but in realit know, we will never be better than entertainment, not a contender.
So we should finish with a top ten draft choice.....we should we pick
Quote from: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 06:38:14 PM
I've been a Scheifele fan for years, but he has lost me this year. I've yelled at the screen too many times, and when the statement about team identity surfaced, that was the straw...
You cannot have a leader that does not think your team has an identity.
But he's right, the team has no identity. Any other answer would be blowing smoke.
Scheifele has too much talent to write off at this point. He is a defensive black hole, but proper coaching could still salvage his career.
I'd purge most of the coaching staff in the offseason.
Wheeler is not tradeable with that albatross of a contract. Jets would have to move out assets with him to get any takers. Not worth it.
Move Copp and Stastny before the deadline for picks and clear some cap room. Same with Schmidt if there are any takers but I doubt it. Realistically I don't think much more will go down. Some fans are screaming for a scorched earth rebuild but I can't see that happening. Most sports writers picked the Jets to finish in the top 3 in the West this year.
Jets have a lot of players that are having disappointing years.
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 07, 2022, 02:46:28 PM
But he's right, the team has no identity. Any other answer would be blowing smoke.
Scheifele has too much talent to write off at this point. He is a defensive black hole, but proper coaching could still salvage his career.
I'd purge most of the coaching staff in the offseason.
Wheeler is not tradeable with that albatross of a contract. Jets would have to move out assets with him to get any takers. Not worth it.
Move Copp and Stastny before the deadline for picks and clear some cap room. Same with Schmidt if there are any takers but I doubt it. Realistically I don't think much more will go down. Some fans are screaming for a scorched earth rebuild but I can't see that happening. Most sports writers picked the Jets to finish in the top 3 in the West this year.
Jets have a lot of players that are having disappointing years.
I don't care how true it is, you NEVER dis your team like that, especially if you are one of the leaders. If he said something along the lines of "there have been a lot of changes and this whole COVID thing is making it difficult right now, but as one of the leaders, I am committed to bringing the team together and building a new identity..." TAHT would be what a leader should say. "Nope" just did not cut it.
As to saving his career, thank you for comfirming that he sucks right now. Do we have the time and ability to "save" him? Do we NEED to "save" him?
As to BE26 and his contract... everyone says what a deal MS55's contract is, so package them. There's your "asset" it takes to move BW26. Need to bring back a lot of cap for someone to make the deal, but there have to be a lot of expensive, top notch UFA RW we could get back...
In the meantime, make sure that Copp is signable before UFA is reached. Trading MS55 is all contingent on being able to keep AC9. Losing both would be disasterous, unless you can sign Khadri... ;)
Do *WE*
Quote from: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 03:46:35 PM
If he said something along the lines of "there have been a lot of changes and this whole COVID thing is making it difficult right now, but as one of the leaders, I am committed to bringing the team together and building a new identity..." TAHT would be what a leader should say. "Nope" just did not cut it.
I assume you only have read the click bait Tory Westwood tweet on this this issue.
This is what he actually said. It's very similar to what you think he should have said:
https://www.tsn.ca/video/do-the-jets-have-an-identity-probably-not~2371266
Quote from: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 03:46:35 PM
you NEVER dis your team like that, especially if you are one of the leaders.
And you want to give this guy the C?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USs9AXkGpMs
Copp is 27 year old, and appears to be on course for perhaps 20 goals this season.
Why not keep him as part of the core for a rebuild ?
Quote from: PloenFan on February 07, 2022, 07:43:11 PM
What if we keep Copp and trade Lowry and Beaulieu ?
Very hard no on Lowry. We have very little toughness as it is.
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 07, 2022, 07:19:21 PM
I assume you only have read the click bait Tory Westwood tweet on this this issue.
This is what he actually said. It's very similar to what you think he should have said:
https://www.tsn.ca/video/do-the-jets-have-an-identity-probably-not~2371266
And you want to give this guy the C?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USs9AXkGpMs
Watched the MS55 clip, a little better than what Westwood portrayed it as, but no mea culpas or taking of responsibility... part way to what I would have wanted, sure, but far from it.
As to your clip of one shift of PD80 from his Columbus days.. really? Have you watched him play in a Jets uniform, especially with KC81 and CP91? Yeah, that's a guy I want the C on. He fights hard for the puck, and gets the dirty goals, and makes hits.
This team does need an identity. The current "leaders" have lost the room, Not sure BW26 is capable physically of the job he used to do, leading by hustle/example, and MS55 does not seem interested in leading anymore, has zero 200' game. Find a clip of any of MS55 shift this year... it will look like the one PD80 shift you cherry picked...
PD80 "C". AC9 and AL17 "A". Will give the team Identity real quick....
Quote from: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 08:28:34 PM
Watched the MS55 clip, a little better than what Westwood portrayed it as, but no mea culpas or taking of responsibility... part way to what I would have wanted, sure, but far from it.
As to your clip of one shift of PD80 from his Columbus days.. really? Have you watched him play in a Jets uniform, especially with KC81 and CP91? Yeah, that's a guy I want the C on. He fights hard for the puck, and gets the dirty goals, and makes hits.
This team does need an identity. The current "leaders" have lost the room, Not sure BW26 is capable physically of the job he used to do, leading by hustle/example, and MS55 does not seem interested in leading anymore, has zero 200' game. Find a clip of any of MS55 shift this year... it will look like the one PD80 shift you cherry picked...
PD80 "C". AC9 and AL17 "A". Will give the team Identity real quick....
Copp isn't a 2nd. line C, give it up.
Jee-zus... What happened to this thread?
Wait, nevermind. I know.
So, COVID has caught up with us again... sigh... Pionk, Dubois and Poganski all into protocol...
7 pm start tonight.
If we were not so shorthanded right now, I'd suggest MS55 watch tonight from the pressbox.
Hopefully, there has been enough "discussion" in the social and mainstream media that he is getting the message he has to step it up.
Probably time for our new coaching search to heat up a little as well, maybe we need a new interim coach, from outside.
What's Ted Nolan doing these days?
Quote from: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 08:12:53 PM
If we were not so shorthanded right now, I'd suggest MS55 watch tonight from the pressbox.
Hopefully, there has been enough "discussion" in the social and mainstream media that he is getting the message he has to step it up.
Probably time for our new coaching search to heat up a little as well, maybe we need a new interim coach, from outside.
What's Ted Nolan doing these days?
MS55 in the press box, a little to much time on the pipe.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 08:21:06 PM
MS55 in the press box, a little to much time on the pipe.
Needs something to wake him up. He is in a funk, a slump, he's playing like Betty White out there. He needs a Snickers, a slumpbuster, or some time on the pines (Lowry has benched him in third periods twice so far that I have heard of)., or a game in the pressbox to either shake or break him.
Yeah, let's throw the team's struggling 1C in the press box as the Jets scratch and claw to keep pace with numerous other players already out of the lineup due to injuries and COVID protocol.
What a ridiculously irrational suggestion.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 08, 2022, 09:39:04 PM
Yeah, let's throw the team's struggling 1C in the press box as the Jets scratch and claw to keep pace with numerous other players already out of the lineup due to injuries and COVID protocol.
What a ridiculously irrational suggestion.
Did you not see where I said "If we were not so shorthanded right now"
Jeesh.
What is YOUR suggestion for waking MS55 up?
Somewhat surprised that Connors wasn't practicing with Wheels & Scheif ...... won't be shocked to see that occur if team doesn't gel vs Wild
MS55 with the game winner.
Helli was lights out, rock solid.
Trade Lowry, never. The man is a beast.
81/91 were missing 80.
Good win over a good team.
Hugely physical game. Loved that they?re playing pi**ed off.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 09, 2022, 03:29:49 AM
Hugely physical game. Loved that they?re playing pi**ed off.
Absolutely solid defensive game last night. Scheifele, Perfetti, and Connor all stuck out for the right reasons. Hellebuyck looked like his old self.
Lowry sticking up for his team in those two brawls was awesome. Greenway and Foligno are such clowns, the latter in particular. That knee to the head was disgusting; he better sit a few games.
MS55 certainly had a better game. Actually saw him backchecking, it was awesome.
No one has mentioned AC9, he also had a great game.
As decimated as the team is by injury and protocol, a solid effort. It is almost like the team needs adversity to rally to. Maybe that's their identity, back them into a corner and watch them up their game.
AC9 had a chance to C the Jets top line. He was a none factor. I also noticed that he not very physical.
He had 5 shots and, 3 excellent scoring chances and nothing. Best place for him is playing along side 17.
Nobody had to mention Copp (who did have a great game and has been really good all season) because he hasn't been the target of vitriol and hyperbole in this thread and elsewhere online.
It's nice to see the armchair GMs and coaches zip it, even for a day. Their boorish narrative was getting old and pretty annoying.
I am wondering how many games Foligno?
Interesting, Foligno and Greenwood, both with 0 shots on goal. To busy running around being a__ clowns.
My gosh what a terrific team effort ....... lots of effective Jets hustle & anticipation, which was rewarded in turnovers.
Outstanding faceoff numbers which helped us control, instead of chase.
The previous mentioned players were indeed great, plus wish to add Harkins, Reichel, Heinola & definitely DeMelo
7:30 start tonight.
Dubois, Pionk back in the lineup.
Great news bout RubaDub and Pionk ??. Go Jets Go
Jets played a pretty solid game.
I thought Helli played very good.
Another clean hit by Dillon, which turns into to a fight. So I guess there's no more clean hard hits in the NHL anymore.
Jets with a slow start, but finished strong.
55/26 combine for 8 points.
Love the Jets lines right now.
Would to see us get a little more size up front to help out AL17 the man knuckles must be sore.
Helli had another strong game.
Geez what a nice turnaround from down 2-0 and shots were 10-1 early in first for Preds
Shift after shift of hard on the puck had Preds struggling to get organized.
HellB was so positionally strong and rebounds got swept away for the most part
Scoring twice on the major penalty was terrific to see. Very pleased to see Wheels deflect in a beauty
Really like the Jets lines last night. However it would be nice if we could get a little tougher up front. AL17 can't be fighting every night.
25/55/26
81/80/91/
9/17/87
Wheeler with 5 points, Scheifele with 3 points, Connor cracks 50 points on the season.
Heck of a game the other night!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2022, 01:34:21 PM
Wheeler with 5 points, Scheifele with 3 points, Connor cracks 50 points on the season.
Heck of a game the other night!
Best game I've seen all year.
Stanley draws back in tonight ........ Pionk is on his 10th day of Covid protocol & is stuck in the US for one more night
Expect there to be some awesome skill shown tonight ......... hope some production happens from our bottom 6 fwds
8 pm start tonight.
Well You have to score more then one goal to win most games.
Stone hands & Fleury combine for a terrible time to lose.
Disappointing.
Every time it feels like we have something going, we fall flat on our faces.
Fleury stood on his head last night. Not the first time's done that to this team.
Can't lost these games and expect the playoffs to be a possibility, IMO.
6 pm start tonight.
Epic third period!! Scheif with the Hatty!
If only we could build consistency
BW26 and MS55 both with 4 points. And someone wanted to trade MS55.
This team needs to string 5 or 6 wins together.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 08:12:53 PM
If we were not so shorthanded right now, I'd suggest MS55 watch tonight from the pressbox.
In the 5 games since this post Mark Scheifele has 7 goals and 4 assists for 11 points.
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 17, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
In the 5 games since this post Mark Scheifele has 7 goals and 4 assists for 11 points.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 04:00:03 AM
BW26 and MS55 both with 4 points. And someone wanted to trade MS55.
This team needs to string 5 or 6 wins together.
Sounds like he got the message... and good on him. I was really doubtful he'd make this turnaround, this fast. Seems Wheeler has picked up his game too.
Still needs some work on the D side of things, even with all his offence, he is still -12. For every goal he has scored in these last 5 games, a goal was scored against us while he was on watch... he had a hatty last night, but 2 of MIN's goals were scored with him on the ice..
The rink is 200' long...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 17, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
Sounds like he got the message... and good on him. I was really doubtful he'd make this turnaround, this fast. Seems Wheeler has picked up his game too.
Still needs some work on the D side of things, even with all his offence, he is still -12. For every goal he has scored in these last 5 games, a goal was scored against us while he was on watch... he had a hatty last night, but 2 of MIN's goals were scored with him on the ice..
The rink is 200' long...
Doesn't mean it's his man, or he is making a D zone mistake.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
Doesn't mean it's his man, or he is making the a D zone mistake.
I don't think it's a secret that Merk plays weak defence. I just don't think we really care if he's got his scoring touch back.
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on February 17, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
In the 5 games since this post Mark Scheifele has 7 goals and 4 assists for 11 points.
Aged like fine milk. ;D
Quote from: Jesse on February 17, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
I don't think it's a secret that Merk plays weak defence. I just don't think we really care if he's got his scoring touch back.
His 200 ft. game has been markedly better recently, though.
Quote from: Jesse on February 17, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
I don't think it's a secret that Merk plays weak defence. I just don't think we really care if he's got his scoring touch back.
I happy that 55 is back scoring goals. Since puts PS25 back with 55/26, there product has been much better.
7 pm start tonight. App's back in the peg.
MS55 has been playing better D of late, but still not where he should be... and yes, scoring makes people forget about D...
Pretty ugly opening frame. Jets look tired. Nice shorty by Toninato.
It was a pretty ugly first period. But it was an excellent 2nd.
EC1 played another very solid game. Nice break for Helli.
I think we finally have 3 solid lines, 4th still a work in progress.
KR87 is playing very well right now, looked good with 80/81 late in the game. Has a little more speed and grit then CP91.
Did not expect that game to go the way it did. Dubois tied it up and the Jets basically took over. Solid character win, IMO.
Wheeler has 11 points (3G, 8A) in his last four games.
Yes, BW26 is playing well.
Big games on Saturday. The Oilers have played well there last 4 games.
Helli should be rested and hopefully sharp.
Jets claim F Adam Brooks from the Marlies.
Also didn't realize Perfetti left last night's game with an undisclosed injury.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 06:10:12 PM
Jets claim F Adam Brooks from the Marlies.
Also didn't realize Perfetti left last night's game with an undisclosed injury.
Yes, thought something mite have happen as 87 took his spot with 80/81 late in the game.
Anyone else hear that NE27 mite not be back till mid March?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 06:10:12 PM
Jets claim F Adam Brooks from the Marlies.
Also didn't realize Perfetti left last night's game with an undisclosed injury.
Brooks has had an interesting year. Started in with Toronto, then to Montreal, then Vegas, back to Toronto, and now with Winnipeg. Crazy year for this kid.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 06:42:18 PM
Anyone else hear that NE27 mite not be back till mid March?
That doesn't surprise me. He's not even back on the ice training.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 18, 2022, 07:15:25 PM
That doesn't surprise me. He's not even back on the ice training.
He is apparently skating every other day by himself...
3 pm start today. Need a big win today.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 18, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
He is apparently skating every other day by himself...
And is "not even close" according to the coach.
Quote from: Jesse on February 19, 2022, 05:38:51 PM
And is "not even close" according to the coach.
The sad part is Orlov 2 games, and a $51K fine.
Perhaps Orlov should have been suspended for as long as Ehlers is injured. ???
Quote from: PloenFan on February 19, 2022, 07:59:56 PM
Perhaps Orlov should have been suspended for as long as Ehlers is injured. ???
Should be the new rule.
Well we started to play a little to late.
Also to many starting playing missing, 27, 91, 9.
I thought the 4th. line played well again.
No doubt the lack of any goals during the 1st period 5 on 3 advantage, held by the Jets, played a major role in the loss.
Very happy to see Lowry score ........ he's now on pace for a 7 goal season, yuk.
This upcoming 4 game road trip has the a "make or break" scenario. The Jets must salvage more wins/points in the results than opponents.
Scheif needs to turn his ugly -14 around, Harkins, Vesalainen & Reichel need to score. Copp would be a welcomed contributor for this trip
Anyone else surprised by the fact Pionk did not appear on the 2nd PP group in the dying minutes
Pionk has not had a very good year. Just not playing like he did last year.
55/25/26, with 4 on D where -10 for the game.
I also thought that Coach L should have had 87 with 80/81. 93 is just not fast enough or productive enough to play with those 2 players.
Leon Draisaitl is a jerk.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 21, 2022, 01:12:55 PM
Leon Draisaitl is a jerk.
Yes, Thinking of LD, I think that should have been a 5 minute spearing penalty, not a 2 minute slash.
Quote from: Jockitch on February 20, 2022, 07:27:12 PM
No doubt the lack of any goals during the 1st period 5 on 3 advantage, held by the Jets, played a major role in the loss.
Very happy to see Lowry score ........ he's now on pace for a 7 goal season, yuk.
This upcoming 5 game road trip has the a "make or break" scenario. The Jets must salvage more wins/points in the results than opponents.
Scheif needs to turn his ugly -14 around, Harkins, Vesalainen & Reichel need to score. Copp would be a welcomed contributor for this trip
Anyone else surprised by the fact Pionk did not appear on the 2nd PP group in the dying minutes
Agree, we either play very well on this road trip or we will sellers in when we get back.
Adam Brooks with 81/80 today.
Lowry shows short patience many times ?? hope Brook excels immediately
Quote from: Jesse on February 21, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
to start, lol
I was surprised he stayed with them till late in the 3rd. period.
Tough game to lose. 12/17/87 had a very good game. 4th. line is playing well.
Connor handles the puck better, 99 of 100 times, & we're out of our end ........ the turnover happens & voila, the worst result
Clearing our own zone has been a problem all year. Another small mistake, another L.
Oilers, Niemelainen fined $2043.75 for his cross check on KV93.
I am wondering what Calgary's goal will get for the slash to AL17 back?
Quote from: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 04:02:54 AM
Oilers, Niemelainen fined $2043.75 for his cross check on KV93.
I am wondering what Calgary's goal will get for the slash to AL17 back?
Considering AL17 did not even seem to notice it, nada...
Looking like we're picking up a boatload of draft picks soon...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 22, 2022, 04:45:56 PM
Considering AL17 did not even seem to notice it, nada...
I guess you didn't see AL17 go back after the next whistle and have a few words with him. I will go with $5K.
During last nights game or during pregame CJOB show a couple facts revealed ;
The Jets have just a meagre 2 players who have played in all their games ....... while the Flames have 12 players with perfect attendance.
WOW !! However, I believe was in part to the fact the Flames had numerous games cancelled till team was clear of Covid protocol
........ Team dressed goalies not counted
The Jets have the least goals scored by all their total Dmen used in the NHL. This stat I checked & sadly yes, the Jets have used 11 dmen with only 13 goals produced ........ there is no doubt that our team lacks a Point Shot Threat
Canucks, the Sens, Islanders, Kings & Wings have dmen totals of only 14 goals total
after that it goes from 15 for the Stars to a whopping 44 goals by the Avalanche 11 Dmen
Adam Brooks debut was not an ice shaker ........ was replaced in third period by Svechnikov on line with Dubois & Connors
...... guessing legs were not happening for him late in game ...... but coach Lowry played him for 14:12 of the game & he recorded 1 shot
The Jets stink and are not an entertaining team to watch, they will be at half capacity next season restrictions or not.
Brooks looked slow and was way behind the play most of the time.
87, is a much better fit with 80/81 while 91 is out.
With 27 out, and now 9 and 91, isn't been a struggle.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:02:15 AM
The Jets stink and are not an entertaining team to watch, they will be at half capacity next season restrictions or not.
This is hyperbole.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:02:15 AM
The Jets stink and are not an entertaining team to watch, they will be at half capacity next season restrictions or not.
If Lowry is not the guy going forward, I can imagine Chipman making Chevy hire a coach that will assist in filling seats...
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 01:28:03 PM
This is hyperbole.
Well, I get offered free tickets every few weeks. People can?t even sell them for peanuts and don?t want to waste them. Even for free they are tough to get rid of. I went once to see Ovi and say no now, and I am not the only one. Boring, crappy uninspired play.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 23, 2022, 03:45:35 PM
If Lowry is not the guy going forward, I can imagine Chipman making Chevy hire a coach that will assist in filling seats...
Assuming Chevy gets to pick another coach......He fired one, one fired himself and Lowry can?t win with this roster either.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:53:58 PM
Well, I get offered free tickets every few weeks. People can?t even sell them for peanuts and don?t want to waste them. Even for free they are tough to get rid of. I went once to see Ovi and say no now, and I am not the only one. Boring, crappy uninspired play.
You or others being offered free tickets isn't evidence of anything, much less your claim the arena will be half full next season. Anecdotes and conjecture are not proof.
I agree on the Jets being boring and uninspired more often than not this season. A lot of unfortunate factors at play that have all but derailed their playoff hopes and it's looking like next season territory at this point.
If the Islanders continue to stink, I expect Trotz to be fired. Hopefully, he'd be someone the Jets could try and lure here, as I'm not sure who else is available with that level of tenure.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 03:55:34 PM
Assuming Chevy gets to pick another coach......He fired one, one fired himself and Lowry can?t win with this roster either.
If Chevy goes, all bets are off... the opportunity the new GM, with his new coach, will have with a very talented lineup to start from could be the box office jumpstart the team needs. Plus, it removes any perceived link to the Blackhawks debacle, move them n from that era.
I can see a fire sale of vets and prospects that aren't thriving here at Chipman's instructions, stockpiling draft picks, and then clean house from GM to skate sharpener... there should be a fair amount of shuffling happening this year, and there might be a GM/coach out there that just needs some new scenery...
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 04:52:28 PM
You or others being offered free tickets isn't evidence of anything, much less your claim the arena will be half full next season. Anecdotes and conjecture are not proof.
I agree on the Jets being boring and uninspired more often than not this season. A lot of unfortunate factors at play that have all but derailed their playoff hopes and it's looking like next season territory at this point.
If the Islanders continue to stink, I expect Trotz to be fired. Hopefully, he'd be someone the Jets could try and lure here, as I'm not sure who else is available with that level of tenure.
There is no doubt that the bloom is off the bush now for Jets 2.0, and whether we survive in the NHL sheerly through Chipmans generosity in funding a money losing team, I guess we will just find out. But unless we get back to the top of the standings, I can't see sellouts happening anymore, except when a visiting team inspires it.
Lowry has been saddled with a COVID ridden injured squad with "no identity". Tough shoes to step into, for sure, if he can turn this team around, have them "Find an identity" and rack up some wins and challenge for a WC spot, he might get another year here, or at least get his name out there as a HC candidate...
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 04:52:28 PM
You or others being offered free tickets isn't evidence of anything, much less your claim the arena will be half full next season. Anecdotes and conjecture are not proof.
I agree on the Jets being boring and uninspired more often than not this season. A lot of unfortunate factors at play that have all but derailed their playoff hopes and it's looking like next season territory at this point.
If the Islanders continue to stink, I expect Trotz to be fired. Hopefully, he'd be someone the Jets could try and lure here, as I'm not sure who else is available with that level of tenure.
Well, not long ago people were selling their extra season tickets at a profit to pay for the games they wanted. The fact the tickets are almost worthless now is very telling of demand of seeing a game live.
Not sure what they can do but lowering concessions 25-50% ASAP would be a good immediate action to try and get people to games and maybe convince some to not dump their season as soon as the can.
Pretty sure the ?wait list? for seasons is a thing of the past now as well. They are in trouble.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 05:40:06 PM
Well, not long ago people were selling their extra season tickets at a profit to pay for the games they wanted. The fact the tickets are almost worthless now is very telling of demand of seeing a game live.
Not sure what they can do but lowering concessions 25-50% ASAP would be a good immediate action to try and get people to games and maybe convince some to not dump their season as soon as the can.
Pretty sure the ?wait list? for seasons is a thing of the past now as well. They are in trouble.
More conjecture. Comical.
Copp #15 on the TSN trade list. Big Ben is a hot ticket right now.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 23, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
There is no doubt that the bloom is off the bush now for Jets 2.0, and whether we survive in the NHL sheerly through Chipmans generosity in funding a money losing team, I guess we will just find out. But unless we get back to the top of the standings, I can't see sellouts happening anymore, except when a visiting team inspires it.
Lowry has been saddled with a COVID ridden injured squad with "no identity". Tough shoes to step into, for sure, if he can turn this team around, have them "Find an identity" and rack up some wins and challenge for a WC spot, he might get another year here, or at least get his name out there as a HC candidate...
Still won't let go of the "identity" comments from like a month ago? No one is talking about trading Scheifele anymore.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 06:15:41 PM
More conjecture. Comical.
Listen to me now, believe me later?..people have lost interest. Nobody is even talking about them at gatherings or casual conversation anymore, other than the few hardcore s that talk about how much they suck.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 23, 2022, 07:32:50 PM
Still won't let go of the "identity" comments from like a month ago? No one is talking about trading Scheifele anymore.
The team has an identity but it's not flattering compared to previous years. The 2021-22 Winnipeg Jets are a middling team due to issues related to team defense, coaching, injuries/COVID Protocol, a lack of or limited chemistry, special teams struggles, etc.
This season is basically a write-off at this point, IMO.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Listen to me now, believe me later?..people have lost interest. Nobody is even speaking about them, other than the few hardcore s that talk about how much they suck.
Opinions or claims based on personal experience (conjecture/anecdotal evidence) is not necessarily factual or knowledgeable. Have fairweather/bandwagon fans lost interest? Yeah, those types of fans don't cheer for losing teams. That doesn't mean "nobody is speaking about them" or that only a "few hardcores" are talking about them.
A quick Google search shows the Jets are being discussed, albeit in less than positive terms at present. Be it their ongoing struggles, what's missing for them to succeed, trade deadline moves, etc., people here and elsewhere are talking about them. Just because it's not regarding a deep playoff run or something more glowing doesn't change that.
[Opinions or claims based on personal experience (conjecture/anecdotal evidence) is not necessarily factual or knowledgeable.]
Making decisions or forming opinions on personal experience is what we do all day every day. The Jets have been playing average hockey or below for a few seasons now. This year they will miss the playoffs and likely sell at the deadline. If they don?t they will keep some familiar faces and still suck, if they do they will gain something for years down the road but many people won?t be waiting for the bus when it gets there.
Fairweather fans? That is not how most would describe season ticket holders, or the ones who were on the list waiting and they are leaving in droves.
I can?t remember the last time someone asked me ?did you watch the game last night??. Used to be several times a day years ago.
Has anyone heard if AC9 or CP91 are back yet?
No 64, 9, 91, 87 or 27. But not a bad 1st. period.
77 not adding anything to 80/81.
This is why I don't read much into plus/minus. 4 makes a big mistake and gives up a 3 on 1, 26,55, 25 all get a minus on that play.
Quote from: road griller on February 23, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Listen to me now, believe me later?..people have lost interest. Nobody is even talking about them at gatherings or casual conversation anymore, other than the few hardcore s that talk about how much they suck.
I heard people talking about the Jets the other day, and therefore I declare that fans have not lost interest based on that one experience.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 24, 2022, 02:42:18 AM
I heard people talking about the Jets the other day, and therefore I declare that fans have not lost interest based on that one experience.
Another big loss, time to sell what little star power they have. People will be talking next season, saying things like who is that guy? Is 19 losses in a row normal to start a season and the inevitable, I will take face value for my tickets, in Pesos.....
HellB was great but alas he cannot get the bottom 6 to score, Scheif to be a beast or get Chevy to make a move.
So it looks like to attend a Jets game for the rest of the season you will still have to be double vaccinated.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 25, 2022, 03:33:11 AM
So it looks like to attend a Jets game for the rest of the season you will still have to be double vaccinated.
Good. Covidiots punching the air right now.
I have heard that there are many fake Vax cards in use... the covidiots will get it... but TNSE understands that the vast majority of STH's want to be assured the fan next to them in an unmasked 100% capacity venue is vaxxed... while they may lose a handful of potential sales to the unvaxxed without fake ID's, they will preserve a much larger number of vaxxed STHs..
Will they be doing masks too? I thought the policies TNSE put in place to start the season were very sensible.
Masks are not required, but they are hoping people wear them when not eating or drinking.
As of the 15th, mask will be strongly encouraged but optional.
Excellent 1st. period. And that was it.
Up by 3 then ( insert any cliche you want ) ??. very humbling
Time to send Chevy packing and give someone else's vision a shot.
Quote from: The Zipp on February 26, 2022, 08:18:01 PM
Time to send Chevy packing and give someone else's vision a shot.
agreed time to start a new ?process?
Anyone heard anything about Chaz Lucius??
3 pm start today.
Last game in Gila River arena... been there once... was fun. My buddy is just going in now.. he spends time in AZ every winter and goes to the Jets games...
Next year, new arena... ASU... 5,000 seats... a few less than the Jets 1.0 home rink...
Nice to see AL17 getting a few goals lately.
Needed that win.
Comrie came up big when we needed him.
Hooray ?? felt good to see them finish it off in the third ?.. decent team effort
Sounds like Copp could be back in the lineup, against Montreal, and NE27 is very close to returning.
This was a game we had to win. A good offensive performance, our D not so good. Blowing a big lead again is something this team needs to address.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 03:51:04 AM
This was a game we had to win. A good offensive performance, our D not so good. Blowing a big lead again is something this team needs to address.
Tough when you have two must win games against the worst teams in the league... and almost lose...
Blowing an early four goal advantage is not what playoff teams do, especially against a team that has the second lowest "goals for" in the league. My gosh. Sure, they rebounded, but holy crap.
Hopefully NE27 will be back in the lineup for Fridays game.
It's next season territory, IMO. The Jets have less than a 6% chance of making the playoffs right now, a figure that worsened despite their victory last night.
This team just wasn't able to find its identity this season. Personally, I'd like to see a new regime in place. Not sure who's worth looking at for GM but Cheveldayoff's had over a decade now. If Trotz were to become available, I'd take him as HC.
I agree I think Chevy has taken this team as far as he can.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 05:42:30 PM
I agree I think Chevy has taken this team as far as he can.
I am undecided on that. It seems like we have a great team on paper.
Quote from: Jesse on March 02, 2022, 06:52:06 PM
I am undecided on that. It seems like we have a great team on paper.
I would say good on paper, I am not going with great. I still don't love our D.
With NE27 coming back I think out O and team speed is very good.
Quote from: Jesse on March 02, 2022, 06:52:06 PM
I am undecided on that. It seems like we have a great team on paper.
A good team, IMO. A playoff team, to be sure.
Cheveldayoff's had his work cut out for him, this market being what it is. This season has been pretty disastrous and he's got to wear at least some of that, though.
The blue line remains a weakness on this roster, too.
Chevy should get one more IMO. This year was messed and assuming next year is normal with respect to covid, we will see if we?ve maxed out or if this was a blip.
NE27 back for Friday's game.
Yes, good chance that Ehlers skates with Copp and Lowry ??. hopefully on the 2nd PP unit
Svechnikov will be on a short lease unless his first 2 periods has him helping with chances and results
Another must win game for the Jets. No OT tonight. Can't give the Stars a point. 7 points out of a wildcard spot. Let's make it 3 in a row.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 04, 2022, 07:51:14 PM
Another must win game for the Jets. No OT tonight. Can't give the Stars a point. 7 points out of a wildcard spot. Let's make it 3 in a row.
Your optimism amuses me.
The Jets lines appear to be:
Stastny-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Dubois-Svechnikov
Copp-Lowry-Ehlers
Vesalainen-Toninato-Harkins
Morrissey-DeMelo
Dillon-Pionk
Beaulieu-Schmidt
Trade Hellebuyck, start the rebuild there.
Entertaining game, nice to see NE27 flying around out there. Can't believe there was no penalty on the cross check to DeMelo.
Definitely a good game. The ending was all too familiar, though.
SELL!!!
SELL!!!
SELL!!!
Be early to the market, get max value...
very unfortunate OT loss ....... as prev. said Jets needed a clear cut win so that the Stars got zero points
Turnovers were just sickening
Team is soooooo very soft in front of their net ( not exclusive to last night's game )
Will the Rangers call on Chevy for Morrissey & Copp
Quote from: Jockitch on March 05, 2022, 06:05:04 PM
very unfortunate OT loss ....... as prev. said Jets needed a clear cut win so that the Stars got zero points
Turnovers were just sickening
Team is soooooo very soft in front of their net ( not exclusive to last night's game )
Will the Rangers call on Chevy for Morrissey & Copp
44 is our best D-man can't see him going anywhere. I think we will dump 9, 25, I would love to move 88. Good O skills, terrible in the D zone.
Jets are an average team at best pretending to be good team that needs to do on thing, sell. Admitting is the 1st step.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 05, 2022, 06:16:17 PM
44 is our best D-man can't see him going anywhere. I think we will dump 9, 25, I would love to move 88. Good O skills, terrible in the D zone.
9 and 25 would be good moves.
What kind of contract is 88 on?
Quote from: Jesse on March 06, 2022, 01:38:07 AM
9 and 25 would be good moves.
What kind of contract is 88 on?
88 is at 6M.
DeMelo 3M, Dillon 4M, Pionk 6M, JM44 6.2M, Stanley 900K.
Look at that we beat Montreal 8-4, Montreal turns around and beats Calgary 5-4, and kicks the Oilers a__ 5-2.
Trade Hellebuyck, start the rebuild there.
Pull that sieve and go with 6 skaters....Helle sucks.
As has been mentioned before, please don't take liberties with people's names. It is fair to criticize a players performance but misspelling their name is insulting and not allowed as stated in the Code of Conduct.
Jets a much better team with Helle on the bench and six skaters, he couldn?t stop a beach ball anyway.
People pay to watch this.....? Suckers.
People who watch the Jets pay because they love hockey and are fans of the Jets i.e., sticking with them through the good times and bad times.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 07, 2022, 01:32:04 AM
People who watch the Jets pay because they love hockey and are fans of the Jets i.e., sticking with them through the good times and bad times.
Too bad they have to pay through the nose for such an uninspired, crappy team. Lots of good minor playoff games going on for free in the city now. Players who have not given up and play hard, exact opposite of the Jets charging 80-300$ bucks a seat.
A fool and their money as they say....
Made plays but didn?t really make enough great plays.
No doubt we saw a pretty good goalie play a steady, balanced game vs Jets
Morrissey has been skating like he?s all World for many, many games
A competent 200 ft. game on a consistent basis continues to elude this team.
Imagine being so out to lunch to put it all on a goalie, though.
Did not realize we were paying our D so much...
Trading a Vezina winning goaler when the rest of the team struggles is kinda idiotic.
That game. out shooting them 2 to 1 yet getting outscored 4-1 is insane.
I think that game confirmed the sell order in WPG, time to shake everything up. Might be a time for a Ladd trade of Wheeler... you CAN trade the captain when he is aging out on a big contract... and if nothing else, chase after a top 6 RW in FA...
MS55 has improved of late, so he can stay ;)
AC9 will be a tough loss going forward, if he's interested in staying, you can possibly trade and resign him... get something for him and give him an even better chance to make a case for his next contract by playing on an actual contender...
NB28 for a conditional 9th round pick....
Guessing Heinola is being held back because he is at 8 games?
Wheeler has a no move contract. However he what a chance at a cup.
PS25 another guy that the Jets will move.
NB28 mite be out for the season. The Jets will probably just let me go to FA.
88 is still a guy would like to move.
If AC9 wants anymore then 4.5M he won't be in Winnipeg.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 07, 2022, 03:54:36 PM
Wheeler has a no move contract. However he what a chance at a cup.
PS25 another guy that the Jets will move.
NB28 mite be out for the season. The Jets will probably just let me go to FA.
88 is still a guy would like to move.
If AC9 wants anymore then 4.5M he won't be in Winnipeg.
Did not realize NS88 is making $6 mil... he certainly hasn't earned that on the ice... shed that and you can give AC9 $4.5... not sure he's worth that much more than Lowry, but I guess we will see what the market is.
Ladd was on the final year of his contract when he was traded to CHI in 2016 with a modified NTC in effect. Wheeler has two more years remaining on his, not to mention it's currently on a NMC (modified NTC kicks in next season). An apples to oranges comparison as it gets. Now, if the Jets are in the same situation at this time a year from now, there may be a conversation to be had regarding moving the team's captain at the TDL. I fully expect that would involve salary retention.
Copp would be a solid depth rental for a playoff bound team but the return wouldn't be much, IMO. Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick...? Regardless, I see him in Detroit to start the 2022-23 season making north of $5M AAV.
Stastny can be moved at any time, irrespective of the return. Good riddance.
I would give AC9 a $4.5M, 4 to 5 year deal all day long. However I think he's looking for more $$$. AL17 and AC9, play very well together, 87 when healthy could be a nice fit with them.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 07, 2022, 05:12:20 PM
Ladd was on the final year of his contract when he was traded to CHI in 2016 with a modified NTC in effect. Wheeler has two more years remaining on his, not to mention it's currently on a NMC (modified NTC kicks in next season). An apples to oranges comparison as it gets. Now, if the Jets are in the same situation at this time a year from now, there may be a conversation to be had regarding moving the team's captain at the TDL. I fully expect that would involve salary retention.
Copp would be a solid depth rental for a playoff bound team but the return wouldn't be much, IMO. Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick...? Regardless, I see him in Detroit to start the 2022-23 season making north of $5M AAV.
Stastny can be moved at any time, irrespective of the return. Good riddance.
My comparison is trading a player with the "C" on his chest. Yes, you are correct, contract and clauses are totally different, but from a team dynamic, some would say trading the "C" is tough to do. I think it actually kills two birds with one stone. Gives us cap space and the "C" to sign PD80 long term...
Getting a wave of a no trade / no move clauses for an aging player on Canadian team with no playoff hope should be the easiest part of making this deal. BW26 could be a key add for a team on a cup run. Hardest part is getting the salary to fit, we could eat a small part of it, the other team would have to have a big ticket expiring contract player to deal back... THAT is the tough part...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 07, 2022, 06:44:17 PM
My comparison is trading a player with the "C" on his chest. Yes, you are correct, contract and clauses are totally different, but from a team dynamic, some would say trading the "C" is tough to do. I think it actually kills two birds with one stone. Gives us cap space and the "C" to sign PD80 long term...
Getting a wave of a no trade / no move clauses for an aging player on Canadian team with no playoff hope should be the easiest part of making this deal. BW26 could be a key add for a team on a cup run. Hardest part is getting the salary to fit, we could eat a small part of it, the other team would have to have a big ticket expiring contract player to deal back... THAT is the tough part...
It isn't really a tough job to do when the parties involved agree to it with few to no obstacles in the way. That's why it was comparatively easier to do with Ladd six years ago. A pure rental piece for a contender is the easiest part of the sell, as was the case (pending UFA, $4.4M cap hit with the Jets retaining 1/3 of it IIRC). The C on the jersey is relevant solely from an optics standpoint. Wheeler's contract, regardless of possible salary retention by the Jets, is not beneficial for a contender from a term standpoint and his cap hit would significantly affect two additional seasons for the team that were to take on his contract. There's also nothing to suggest Wheeler is interested in waiving his NMC right now, either. The cons far outweigh the pros as things stand currently regarding such a trade proposal. It just doesn't seem realistic or beneficial to a team currently in the hunt.
Re-signing Dubois also has little to no bearing on what happens with Wheeler vis a vis the team's salary cap implications. The Jets are projected to have around $11.7M of cap space going into the off-season, Dubois being the most important piece of the pending RFA group (he also has arbitration rights).
The horse is out of the barn with Helle, every team knows he sucks. He works on closing one hole and another opens, it was short side high awhile ago and now it?s five hole flat on the ice. The average Timbits player would light him up.
Hopefully there is a sucker out there and they can get something decent for him. Addition by subtraction.
Can you please stop with the "Helle sucks" posts? You're just repeating yourself over and over and no one is responding.
Almost like you're trying to bait someone (see what I'm getting at?)...
Quote from: blue_or_die on March 08, 2022, 02:20:17 AM
Can you please stop with the "Helle sucks" posts? You're just repeating yourself over and over and no one is responding.
Almost like you're trying to bait someone (see what I'm getting at?)...
I am sure they agree. Although he still has some fooled I suppose. Hopefully another GM is on that list.
Quote from: blue_or_die on March 08, 2022, 02:20:17 AM
Can you please stop with the "Helle sucks" posts? You're just repeating yourself over and over and no one is responding.
Almost like you're trying to bait someone (see what I'm getting at?)...
If it isn't Wheeler, Scheifele, or Morrissey, it's Hellebuyck*. Always easy to target the big names despite the fact it's a team sport and this team just isn't playing well in most phases of its collective game. That falls at the feet of every player and every coach.
Best to just ignore the occasional troll who wanders into this thread to crap on the Jets when they struggle. Rotting, low-hanging fruit is their preferred sustenance as they apply their clown makeup and defile threads.
*
despite the analytics showing he's still performing well in spite of the issues plaguing the Jets: https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm (https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm) (but trolls don't do well with facts, as we all know)Anyway, tall order ahead look at tonight's matchup with the back-to-back champs. Looks like Pionk and Toninato are out, with Brooks taking Toninato's spot.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 08, 2022, 05:09:11 PM
If it isn't Wheeler, Scheifele, or Morrissey, it's Hellebuyck*. Always easy to target the big names despite the fact it's a team sport and this team just isn't playing well in most phases of its collective game. That falls at the feet of every player and every coach.
Best to just ignore the occasional troll who wanders into this thread to crap on the Jets when they struggle. Rotting, low-hanging fruit is their preferred sustenance as they apply their clown makeup and defile threads.
* despite the analytics showing he's still performing well in spite of the issues plaguing the Jets: https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm (https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm) (but trolls don't do well with facts, as we all know)
Anyway, tall order ahead look at tonight's matchup with the back-to-back champs. Looks like Pionk and Toninato are out, with Brooks taking Toninato's spot.
Nicely said. Look at Oilers and all there very highly paid talent. There on another losing streak.
If there was a logical replacement for CH37, you could entertain the idea of trading him. Comrie is not, for sure. Berdin is still an unknown, but has potential (too bad we can't get a look at what he can do at the NHL level).
I've seen meme's of "check engine light" regarding CH37... with people putting tape over the light... which I find both funny and appropriate. I really think he needs a break... before he gets broken. With Berdin so close by, no reason we can't give him a shot as well...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 08, 2022, 06:59:28 PM
If there was a logical replacement for CH37, you could entertain the idea of trading him. Comrie is not, for sure. Berdin is still an unknown, but has potential (too bad we can't get a look at what he can do at the NHL level).
I've seen meme's of "check engine light" regarding CH37... with people putting tape over the light... which I find both funny and appropriate. I really think he needs a break... before he gets broken. With Berdin so close by, no reason we can't give him a shot as well...
Why trade a Vezina winning goalie who remains one of the major factors in this team's ability to succeed? Even if there were a replacement, netminders of this calibre are a rare commodity and it'd make the Jets immediately weaker at an crucial position. He's a franchise goaltender.
Hellebuyck is the most worked goaltender so far this season but the Jets still need him until they're actually mathematically eliminated from contention. Same as any other player on their roster.
I fully expect Comrie, Berdin, and others to see time with the big club once they're eliminated.
Nice win by the Jets tonight. PK is really playing well.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 09, 2022, 03:49:13 AM
Nice win by the Jets tonight. PK is really playing well.
But the Jets suck and Hellebuyck should be traded and nobody supports this team! :D
But seriously, what an awesome game last night. By no means a defensive masterpiece but the offense found its footing against a really stingy team.
This season is pretty much a write-off but there's reason for optimism going into 2022-23 with just a few changes.
The place was packed, so there still is a lot of interest.
great touch honouring the Canadian women's gold medal team on IWD and letting the Ste Anne gal Laroque drop the puck.
Oh, and beating the b2b defending champs in a high-scoring game was nice too!
I'm in "just entertain me" mode now.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 09, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
The place was packed, so there still is a lot of interest.
86% capacity... 12,895... not bad I guess
Quote from: theaardvark on March 09, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
86% capacity... 12,895... not bad I guess
Considering the team has a 7% chance to make the playoffs, 86% of seats filled (or at least sold) speaks to not only the viability of this market but also that fans do care about the Jets even when they're in the midst of a bad and mostly forgettable season.
If the Bombers were in the midst of a similarly lousy campaign, I think IGF having 86% capacity for a home game would be positive.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 09, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
Considering the team has a 7% chance to make the playoffs, 86% of seats filled (or at least sold) speaks to not only the viability of this market but also that fans do care about the Jets even when they're in the midst of a bad and mostly forgettable season.
If the Bombers were in the midst of a similarly lousy campaign, I think IGF having 86% capacity for a home game would be positive.
Also, Tuesday night, which is a harder sell in any situation.
Comrie starting tonight.
Solid road win. Comrie had a very good game.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 11, 2022, 03:29:19 AM
Solid road win. Comrie had a very good game.
Very good.
We made it more difficult on ourselves than it needed to be, but another entertaining game.
4-0-1 in his last five.... waiting for the "Trade ch37 trolls" to start rolling out that stat...
2nd period was a crap show, no shot in the first half of the period, but the only goal. Lucky.
So if you talk about trading a player your a troll. I remember someone everyday talking about trading MS55.
Both goalie's played very well. They had more shots, we had better chances.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 11, 2022, 03:39:40 PM
4-0-1 in his last five....
It'd be a more impressive record if it didn't span roughly four months.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 11, 2022, 04:26:00 PM
It'd be a more impressive record if it didn't span roughly four months.
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But maybe shows we should get him in a hair more often.
Helle is one of, if not the most, overworked goalies in the NHL. Might be conducive to spell him a bit more often if Comrie is exceeding initial expectations.
Quote from: Jesse on March 11, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
But maybe shows we should get him in a hair more often.
Helle is one of, if not the most, overworked goalies in the NHL. Might be conducive to spell him a bit more often if Comrie is exceeding initial expectations.
I agree. Comrie has demonstrated he's more than capable in a backup role and that he can and should be relied upon more.
Hellebuyck has been the busiest goalie in the NHL for the last five seasons: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-5-nhl-seasons-goalies-stats.html (https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-5-nhl-seasons-goalies-stats.html)
Most games played by 24 more than the next goalie (Vasilevskiy). Overworked could be an understatement but in any case, it clearly shows how important Hellebuyck is and that he's one of the best netminders in the league. The Jets are fortunate to have him.
Yes, Comrie has basically demonstrated that he can be a capable backup which we did not know to be true going into the season. Let him play more and Helle's game will get better in turn by having some rest.
Not sure what Lowry was thinking, pulling Helli with 4:45 left in the 3rd.
I was also surprised that Lowry took NE27 off the 80/81 lines after they played so well for the short period of time they where together.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 12, 2022, 03:35:42 AM
Not sure what Lowry was thinking, pulling Helli with 4:45 left in the 3rd.
I was also surprised that Lowry took NE27 off the 80/81 lines after they played so well for the short period of time they where together.
Don't mind the first thing - season's over - go with the high, risk, high reward every time.
Very surprised to see Ehlers moved after the early goal.
Quite agree on the head scratcher by Lowry - pulling HellB just under 5 minutes ? boooo
Ehlers has to be used with and should be more effective with Wheels and Scheif
Quote from: Jockitch on March 12, 2022, 06:54:59 PM
Quite agree on the head scratcher by Lowry - pulling HellB just under 5 minutes ? boooo
Ehlers has to be used with and should be more effective with Wheels and Scheif
He played very well with 80/81 last, even if it was only for 10 minutes.
Lowry is not head coach material, IMO.
80/81/27 very good tonight.
Helli looked very shape tonight.
MS55 now with 22, KC80 37, PL80 24 goals.
We got to see quite a few real nice plays by Jet players and the last goal was beautiful
Some magic happened with skilled Connor, Ehlers hooking up with Mr Determination #80.
Extremely pleased that a 4th goal didn?t get by HellB
Chevy, as many others are, is no doubt nervous bout the condition of Copp. Hopefully he isn?t going down that dark concussion journey again
OK, giving up a single to the Blues isn't horrible, as long as we get the 2...
But why, oh why, are MS55 and BW26 on the ice in the final minutes with us ahead? Is this NOT the definition of what shutdown lines are for? We should be treating it as a PK with an extra forward...
Well let's see one , Lowry is not a head coach. Two, we only have one really shut down line which is 9/17/71 and 9 was out of the game. After 9/17 our best defensive forwards are 81/80/21/25. But we also have to look at who are D men are out there.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 14, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
Well let's see one , Lowry is not a head coach. Two, we only have one really shut down line which is 9/17/71 and 9 was out of the game. After 9/17 our best defensive forwards are 81/80/21/25. But we also have to look at who are D men are out there.
There is one player that has big concerns with 200ft / defensive game. His butt should be glued to the bench late game with lead. Sure, 9 was out. But we still have a lot of defensive minded players, no reason you can't roll 2 lines of de oriented forwards for the last 3 minutes with a lead.
As to which Dmen, again, no reason you can't roll 2 pairs there as well... and use your darned timeout...
I don't agree that we have a lot of D mind forwards. Our 4th line last year was much better in our D zone. However I agree run two line and 2 sets of D men for the last 3 minutes. However this comes back to coaching.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 14, 2022, 04:10:14 PM
I don't agree that we have a lot of D mind forwards. Our 4th line last year was much better in our D zone. However I agree run two line and 2 sets of D men for the last 3 minutes. However this comes back to coaching.
We have at least 6 more d oriented than MS55, and/or faster than BW26 was my point...
Very solid win for the Jets. 26 is really playing well right now. Seems to be healthy and has his speed back.
One weak goal, but other then that Helli was solid again tonight.
Nice to see Al17 scoring again. Love the way this guy plays.
Much as this late run give them a shot at playoffs, we are NOT a buyer at the deadline. Might make sense to hold on to PS25 and AC9 as "own rentals", unless something significant is offered. We have more than enough depth to replace them, especially once CP91 gets back...
The Jets need a couple of pieces if they want to do anything in the playoffs. Big Ben mite be a good addition to our D.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 16, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
The Jets need a couple of pieces if they want to do anything in the playoffs. Big Ben mite be a good addition to our D.
We're not going to do anything in the play-offs and it would be a waste of resources to attempt to pretend otherwise.
Did you see what Daryl Sutter had to say about the last wild card spot?
"A waste of 8 days".
Despite the 7-3 score, found the game was definitely won by our players having the hockey gods on their side tonight.
Witnessed how Vegas was using the stretch pass, at times as short as just over their blueline or further, to consistently get out of their end
In contrast ..... Vegas cut off many, many attempts to get out of our end and possession was a difficult chore for our Jets last night.
Our Jet team was not fierce in their cycling on a very consistent basis. Though we outhit them we didn't control much of the play.
HellB was very strong positionally and that was so important ..... as the Vegas team liked to shoot, get the puck again and shoot.
Yet ...... suddenly we got, or made, the chances and the puck found the inch or two opening. Witness Ehlers, Stanley, Wheeler and Connor's goals
HOORAY ...... we scored often and that was without bringing a good "A or even a B" game.
Along with HellB, Lowry (great SHG) was strong with 11 hits, Stanley and Schmidt perhaps had their best ice time together and battled hard.
Chevy please, please ..... find a "rental" vet or two to replace a couple of our low 6 players who are not battle savvy
P. Bergeron is not expected in the lineup tonight for Boston ?? great news for Jets
Wonder why Heinola gets termed as an Emergency Loan to go up with Jets yesterday
Your not going to win to many games getting out shot 22-4 in a period. Great push in the 3rd. period , but you have to play 60 minutes.
Second period was indeed pathetic to watch and the score flattered the Jets
The comeback to get the tie in the 3rd was terrific and the team was really taking it to the Bruins ??
??. but suddenly Dillon has a brain cramp and despite time to pause and make a good decision,
he seemingly panics and flips the puck over the glass and gets a horrible penalty.
Within that penalty Bruins score and all but the crying was left
Ehlers or the Fly as his teammates call him, gets hauled down and awarded a Penalty shot in the 1st
However, mysteriously he decides not to use any speed while skating in for the potential goal
?????? still wondering why
Spirit was dashed with tonights loss and sadly my alcohol cupboard was bare.
The Jets got Mason Appleton back for draft pick
Chevy did it to improve the bottom fwds.. great addition
Now ?. is it to Be a Fact or completely a Fictional reason.
1. Is this in anticipation of Copp being traded and Appleton is a helpful fill
2. Is it perhaps Copp won?t be trade cuz Lowry is getting sick from Covid
Hmmm !
We wouldn't let Lowry's temporary illness affect a trade.
They have a price (whatever it is) that they are willing to trade away 19 games of Copp for.
Is Appleton a FA?
Love getting Apps back. Hard working, RW, that can kill penalties, and can play physical.
NB28 for a 7th round pick, about the best we could have done with NB28.
Jets moved Little?s contract to Arizona as well as a previous draft pick Smith, who apparently wouldn?t sign with the Jets ??. Chevy got a 4th round back
Appleton will become a n RFA
Little will never play again, which really to bad. However it's nice to this issue come to end for the Jets.
Copp to the Rangers with 12 minutes left?????????
Trade deadline over. Rangers picked up Motte, still no word on Copp.
Copp has been traded to the Rangers. Sounds like picks and a prospect.
I like Zach Sanford size. A big RW 6'4" 206 , 27 years old.
Big size in Sanford indeed and certainly a good banger on the boards
Additions help overall balance
Hopefully Lafrienierre comes back from Rangers ???.. yeah big fantasy
Turned out the Jets got both Ranger 2nd rd pick with condiments plus an okay prospect plus a 5th rd pick while giving up Copp and a 6th rd pick ??.. not bad Chevy, not bad
Now hopefully Lowry only needs to miss the Vegas game
Note: Nogier went to the Kings for a dman prospect
Quote from: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 06:23:55 PM
I like Zach Sanford size. A big RW 6'4" 206 , 27 years old.
Nice add, IMO. Appleton back here was also a pleasant surprise.
The return for Copp seems pretty good at first glance. Barron seems like a decent depth piece but he's got very little NHL experience; the draft picks are good.
More or less what was to be expected with the Jets on the outside looking in. With Lowry out and the Jets' inability to be consistent, I fully expect no playoffs.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 21, 2022, 10:31:29 PM
Nice add, IMO. Appleton back here was also a pleasant surprise.
The return for Copp seems pretty good at first glance. Barron seems like a decent depth piece but he's got very little NHL experience; the draft picks are good.
More or less what was to be expected with the Jets on the outside looking in. With Lowry out and the Jets' inability to be consistent, I fully expect no playoffs.
Yes, we did get bigger and a little more physical. Sanford 6'4" 206, Barron is 6'4" 220, App's is 6'2" 200. Also App's and Sanford both shoot RW.
Sad to see Copp go, will be interesting to see if anyone slides into the Copp/Lowery dynamic as shutdown / PK wizards.
Bigger, more edge, always a good thing.
I wonder what offers we were made for PS25. I'm guessing no one stepped up for him, and Chevy kept him as an "own rental" rather than getting a small return (3rd or 4th round pick(s)). Guessing he was an option to move if there was other action that created a cap crunch, but I guess that never became an issue.
Sad that Bryan Little finishes his career as not a Jet on a purely bookkeeping move, not sure how picking up millions of dollars of off cap salary is worth a guy that has never played a second of pro hockey, but hey, AZ must like him. At 23, he will step right in if they can sign him. Nice of Little to waive his NT clause... wonder if there are different tax laws in AZ that make it beneficial for him to get paid from there... Win/win.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 22, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Sad to see Copp go, will be interesting to see if anyone slides into the Copp/Lowery dynamic as shutdown / PK wizards.
Bigger, more edge, always a good thing.
I wonder what offers we were made for PS25. I'm guessing no one stepped up for him, and Chevy kept him as an "own rental" rather than getting a small return (3rd or 4th round pick(s)). Guessing he was an option to move if there was other action that created a cap crunch, but I guess that never became an issue.
Sad that Bryan Little finishes his career as not a Jet on a purely bookkeeping move, not sure how picking up millions of dollars of off cap salary is worth a guy that has never played a second of pro hockey, but hey, AZ must like him. At 23, he will step right in if they can sign him. Nice of Little to waive his NT clause... wonder if there are different tax laws in AZ that make it beneficial for him to get paid from there... Win/win.
Chevy said he wasn't even considering trading Stastny.
It leads me to think he wants Stas to stick around as a versatile vet to lead in the younger guys and finish his career off with us. I'm not opposed.
Love the Copp deal. Big return. I thought we might only get a second rounder but we got what could turn into a first, a second, a fifth, and a player. Awesome. I really didn't think UFA Copp would sign with us in the summer anyway.
I was hoping we'd get a return for Stas, but accept that his resence is more benefial than whatever possible return we might get. We also don't have the bodies to replace him, so it's entirely possible he's back next season as well.
Copp return was good! I never saw him as more than a third liner and his return might become more than that, despite the fact we couldn't keep him anyway.
Moving the Little contract was a nice move too that gives us a tiny bit of flexibility.
Not a bad deadline - considering wherewe are.
Well Helli was amazing tonight. Really like what I saw out of Sanford. Big guy that is good at controlling the puck.
4 shots in the first period, really have to be better. Also to many guys trying to make the perfect pass or play. Shot the puck.
Turnovers should have downed the Jets numerous, numerous times but HellB was wonderful
Hellebuyck carried the team to victory last night.
Imagine thinking the Jets would be better without him. :-\
What a cringe fest for the first bit... 4 shots in period one.. ouch.
New blood, but too much shuffling.
Helle showed up, hope he keeps this up. Right time to get hot.
Will Comrie start tonight ?? my guess is yes
Tomorrow HellB can shine against Laine?s shot
Quote from: Jockitch on March 24, 2022, 03:06:40 PM
Will Comrie start tonight ?? my guess is yes
Tomorrow HellB can shine against Laine?s shot
Most media is guessing Helle wil start both and We'll see Comrie on Sunday.
But Helle is definitely starting tonight
Quote from: Jesse on March 24, 2022, 04:22:15 PM
Most media is guessing Helle wil start both and We'll see Comrie on Sunday.
I'm fine with riding our best players as hard as possible for as long as we're in the playoff mix.
Quote from: blue_or_die on March 24, 2022, 05:24:22 PM
I'm fine with riding our best players as hard as possible for as long as we're in the playoff mix.
Hard to sit him tonight coming off his last game. The three games in four night requires him to start two of them, at least. Might as well be the first two.
Quote from: Jesse on March 24, 2022, 05:50:37 PM
Hard to sit him tonight coming off his last game. The three games in four night requires him to start two of them, at least. Might as well be the first two.
Yeah, and we need to beat what should be a lesser team on paper. We're in nooooooo position to be taking any team likely.
My point being, if we had been in a playoff spot all year and it wouldn't kill us to take any sort of risk, we'd be playing Comrie tonight.
Quote from: blue_or_die on March 24, 2022, 06:57:56 PM
Yeah, and we need to beat what should be a lesser team on paper. We're in nooooooo position to be taking any team likely.
My point being, if we had been in a playoff spot all year and it wouldn't kill us to take any sort of risk, we'd be playing Comrie tonight.
Jets need to win the next four games to keep their playoff hopes alive. The margin for error is razor thin at this point.
Running Hellebuyck ragged down the stretch should be avoided, so I hope Comrie plays tomorrow if Hellebuyck gets the start tonight.
And that should likely do it for the Jets. What a brutal collapse in the third.
Big mistake starting CH37 again... I know... he was coming off a hot game, but he must have been drained after that performance, and OTT is a team that Comrie should have been able to hold up against. With 4 games in 6 days, this was the logical one for CH37 to sit.
In my opinion.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 25, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
Big mistake starting CH37 again... I know... he was coming off a hot game, but he must have been drained after that performance, and OTT is a team that Comrie should have been able to hold up against. With 4 games in 6 days, this was the logical one for CH37 to sit.
In my opinion.
I don't think that's the reason we lost.
Whole team looked like garbage the whole game - as we often do when we have the opprtunity to gain some ground.
Quote from: Jesse on March 25, 2022, 03:00:37 PM
I don't think that's the reason we lost.
Whole team looked like garbage the whole game - as we often do when we have the opprtunity to gain some ground.
You're absolutely right.
The Jets had an opportunity to keep their playoff hopes alive against an opponent already in "next season" mode. They came out flat, sluggish, and seemingly disinterested, with a pretty ugly display on home ice.
Hellebuyck getting the start isn't why they lost.
Helli was rock solid at 1-1. 64 makes a big mistake which turns into a 2 on1. Then 88 isn't taking the body in front of the net on another one. That goal was probably the only ? goal for the night. But with that said, I would have rested Helli and started him tonight. We have a soft defense and are to inconsistent.
Got to admire how well planned out the coaches had the Sens following ...... jam their blue line and neutral zone.
So frustrating watching our fwds struggle to get, as a unit, over the Sens blue line ..... Del Zotto comes up from the minors and looks great
With Lowry back ...... hopefully, Harkins plays with he and Appleton ....... suggesting Stats plays down on 4th line
CH37 might not have been the *reason* we lost, but he surely wasn't the same goaler that was between the pipes the previous game. OTT is a weak team, 30th in the league in scoring. EC1 should have been tapped for the start on that basis alone. And had he been in net, I'm not sure the same defensive lapses happen, as the team seems to play differently in front of him.
Columbus has some sharp shooters, and it would have been a better challenge for CH37, and let ECC1 face the 'yotes...
Well EC1 had another good game. 26/80/81 looked good tonight, had a great opening shift of the game.
Really like the line of 13/17/22, this line played well all night. Sanford is a guy with a long reach that can control the puck.
Really like the way 21 is playing. Very solid on PK, and really drives our 4th line.
64 making another bad decision tonight, growing pains with young players.
If the ref calls the penalty on the Ottawa player, probably 44 doesn't retaliate, and the empty net goal counts. At the very least should have been to penalties one on both players.
Nice victory and kudos to Comrie indeed
Stanley had a bad give away in first, 2 in the 2nd and bad act in 3rd. Barely played over 13 minutes
Quote from: Jockitch on March 26, 2022, 07:33:51 PM
Nice victory and kudos to Comrie indeed
Stanley had a bad give away in first, 2 in the 2nd and bad act in 3rd. Barely played over 13 minutes
I think that's why NB28 was playing ahead of him before NB28 got injured and then was traded. 64 he is young, and needs to learn.
Stanley still has some work to do in terms of his development. I think better coaching would help his cause.
WOWEE ?? nail biter for quite some time ?? then 55 gets a clean breakaway & a victory goal
My oh my how the goalies were both so great to watch
Solid goalie duel last night. Scheifele's GWG was a beauty.
I like the way the 81/80/26 has started the last two games. Pressures from the opening face-off.
Give 13/17/22 another game or two and this is going to be very good third line for us.
Coach L. Our 1st. PP has moved the puck very well, but not scoring. How about putting the 2nd. unit out there to start the PP.
So, 6 games against non playoff teams, 9 against playoff teams... we need to go 10-4-1 to make the playoffs...
If they do, wanna bet its something like 3-3 vs. non playoff teams, and 6-1-1 against playoff teams?
This team is going to drive me crazy...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 28, 2022, 06:02:31 PM
So, 6 games against non playoff teams, 9 against playoff teams... we need to go 10-4-1 to make the playoffs...
If they do, wanna bet its something like 3-3 vs. non playoff teams, and 6-1-1 against playoff teams?
This team is going to drive me crazy...
As disappointing as they've been, thanks to numerous other teams having the same consistency problems, we are still talking playoffs which means it's interesting even though we ought to be out by now. I'd love it if that could be the case for these last 5 weeks even though I seriously doubt we can squeak in, I just want a reason to watch.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 28, 2022, 06:02:31 PM
So, 6 games against non playoff teams, 9 against playoff teams... we need to go 10-4-1 to make the playoffs...
If they do, wanna bet its something like 3-3 vs. non playoff teams, and 6-1-1 against playoff teams?
This team is going to drive me crazy...
Going to...? You mean they haven't already? ;D
BAD news ......... Connor & Schmidt were placed in Covid protocol
Quote from: Jockitch on March 30, 2022, 04:50:00 PM
BAD news ......... Connor & Schmidt were placed in Covid protocol
Crappy.
Brutal. What a cursed season.
Quote from: Jockitch on March 30, 2022, 04:50:00 PM
BAD news ......... Connor & Schmidt were placed in Covid protocol
Jets are basically a very good AHL team now...
Good road win over a young team that has had a very good March.
Jets 11-4-1 the last 16. Big game tonight. Simmons in for the leaf's, expect to see a Stanley/Simmons fight tonight. AM34 going for goal #50 tonight also.
Good start, terrible 2nd. period, and far to many penalties. EC1 looked pretty average tonight.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 01, 2022, 03:38:55 AM
Good start, terrible 2nd. period, and far to many penalties. EC1 looked pretty average tonight.
Special teams let 'em down. Ugly game last night.
A shorty, 4 PP and an empty netter... 2 of 7 goals 5 on 5... yeah, special teams are crap. Maybe time to trade for a new kicker.
Time for the Jet players to command the boards, force the turnovers and finish the Kings by mid 2nd.
Quote from: Jockitch on April 02, 2022, 10:00:51 PM
Time for the Jet players to command the boards, force the turnovers and finish the Kings by mid 2nd.
Shots are 27-9 in favor of the kings...12:00 left in the 2nd.
Stick a fork in it. This version of the Jets should be over! All new Coaches, Fefe, others need to go!
Untouchables are Connor Dubois Ehlers Morrisey Helleboi
The rest can be traded for assets
Yup, no commanding on the boards took place and certainly we looked done after first.
Other teams are grabbing wins and now highly unlikely a wild card spot is happening
On to next season. Time for some major changes.
Does Chevy keep his job?
Quote from: Pigskin on April 04, 2022, 03:35:14 AM
Does Chevy keep his job?
I think he does but he's on thin ice.
The first major change should be coaching staff, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 04, 2022, 01:10:38 PM
I think he does but he's on thin ice.
The first major change should be coaching staff, IMO.
Makes no sense... if you are making a coaching change and considering a GM change, then you make the GM change and let him decide the new coach....
Quote from: theaardvark on April 04, 2022, 03:12:55 PM
Makes no sense... if you are making a coaching change and considering a GM change, then you make the GM change and let him decide the new coach....
Sure it does. You can absolutely do one without doing the other. Where does it say an organization has to fire both at once? And where has there been any mention TNSE is considering firing the GM? All indications presently point to Cheveldayoff being safe in his role.
He has to wear his share of the blame but it's not like the roster is devoid of talent to the point this team continues to struggle the way it has, with this season's consistent underperforming in particular. It's been three seasons of roughly the same issues plaguing the Jets and those were magnified by recent struggles despite the additions made to the roster. To me, that speaks to a coaching issue, particularly with defensive play and special teams.
There is sufficient talent and depth within this organization for the team to be a playoff competitor at the very least.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 04, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Sure it does. You can absolutely do one without doing the other. Where does it say an organization has to fire both at once? And where has there been any mention TNSE is considering firing the GM? All indications presently point to Cheveldayoff being safe in his role.
He has to wear his share of the blame but it's not like the roster is devoid of talent to the point this team continues to struggle the way it has, with this season's consistent underperforming in particular. It's been three seasons of roughly the same issues plaguing the Jets and those were magnified by recent struggles despite the additions made to the roster. To me, that speaks to a coaching issue, particularly with defensive play and special teams.
There is sufficient talent and depth within this organization for the team to be a playoff competitor at the very least.
Yeah, just look at a team like Calgary. Have been great on paper for years and were TERRIBLE last year. They made essentially no changes and are killing it this year. Sometimes nothing is fundamentally wrong and you just need to hit refresh on the season.
Is it too late to sell?
Schmidt draws back in while Heinola joins Brooks in the Press box
Watched Wings last night squeak out a win despite being outshot big time ....... they can be beaten by 4 on any night but HellB needs to be sharp
It's next season territory, so might as well just have fun with the remaining games.
I don't understand why Heinola sits. He needs to play.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 06, 2022, 09:47:42 PM
It's next season territory, so might as well just have fun with the remaining games.
I don't understand why Heinola sits. He needs to play.
He does. He needs as much work as we can get at the NHL level.
Annnnnd....
the season is over.
Helli with another very strong game tonight.
17/22 are playing well together, doesn't matter who you throw in there with them.
Lowry pulling the goalie with over 3 minutes left in a one goal game????
Well now it's the Moose and the Ice.
Not officially out of the race but ??.. I?ve gotta be an adult about this
Is it to early for our GM to be given the pink slip
Quote from: Jockitch on April 07, 2022, 05:11:06 AM
Not officially out of the race but ??.. I?ve gotta be an adult about this
Is it to early for our GM to be given the pink slip
I don't know what happens to Chevy, but right now his job is to take Lowry aside and tell him the season is over, start playing the young guys.
I'm not saying we *have* to bloe it up, but we have to blow it up.
Clean house.
Chevy, the entire coaching staff, and even MS55 / BW26...
Find an exciting young GM, a quality coach that he can work with, and start a new page.
Fire Chevy now, to allow for maximum time to evaluate the current roster and prepare for the draft...
Latest you can wait to fire Chevy is mathematical elimination day. Any longer and you are losing valuable time in the retool.
Or, hear me out, Maurice calls Chevy and says "Hey, bud. Do the right thing, I didn't resign to let you continue to mess up the team."
Quote from: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 03:07:10 PM
I'm not saying we *have* to bloe it up, but we have to blow it up.
Clean house.
Chevy, the entire coaching staff, and even MS55 / BW26...
Find an exciting young GM, a quality coach that he can work with, and start a new page.
Fire Chevy now, to allow for maximum time to evaluate the current roster and prepare for the draft...
Latest you can wait to fire Chevy is mathematical elimination day. Any longer and you are losing valuable time in the retool.
Or, hear me out, Maurice calls Chevy and says "Hey, bud. Do the right thing, I didn't resign to let you continue to mess up the team."
I see we are back to MS55 again. Wasn't he the only guy that scored last night. Not sure anyone is going to take BW26 at 8.2M and 37 years old.
Blowing up the front office and coaching staff I am all for.
55/26 combined 120 points this year. Have to find a couple of player to replace that.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 07, 2022, 03:28:42 PM
I see we are back to MS55 again. Wasn't he the only guy that scored last night. Not sure anyone is going to take BW26 at 8.2M and 37 years old.
Blowing up the front office and coaching staff I am all for.
55/26 combined 120 points this year. Have to find a couple of player to replace that.
It's honestly not just aards.
Media guys have been saying the same thing. Find a way to move on unless he goes into his exit interview saying he plans on being a whole lot different next season.
Of course, you hire a new coach and he may want to keep Schief and hopefully just have a way to get more out of him.
Quote from: Jesse on April 07, 2022, 04:57:11 PM
It's honestly not just aards.
Media guys have been saying the same thing. Find a way to move on unless he goes into his exit interview saying he plans on being a whole lot different next season.
Of course, you hire a new coach and he may want to keep Schief and hopefully just have a way to get more out of him.
I am okay moving both of these guys if you can replace them, with point a game players. 55 at 6M per and a point a game is still a pretty good value and second highest on the team in scoring. Replacing a point a game player at 6M is pretty tough. 55 also has a m-no move contract. 26 has a no move. However they both mite be fed up and want to leave.
You're not replacing 55's points at 6M. They would have to feel very strongly that his lack of effort/defensive play is hurting the team more than the points are helping.
26 is staying no matter what - his contract is unmovable.
Pl80 RFA 5M
Apps RFA 9K
ES71 RFA 750K
JH12 RFA 725K
SP25 UFA 3.75M
Sanford UFA 2M.
Brooks UFA 725K
I am sad that we are locked into this D. And 88 has a M-NTC at 6m a year.
I do like what I am seeing from Morgan Barron. Good size and speed, works hard.
MS55 and BW26 make sense to move as a package... MS55 is cheap, BW26 is too expensive, together they are OK.
I don't know enough about the rest of the league, but the perfect trading partner would be someone who was close this year, but is losing a veteran leader or two to retirement or UFA "want to go elsewhere".
Yes, replacing point a game players is tough. But until a players gets MS55's level of ice time, they will not get a point a game. I always find it amusing when players with huge ice time get lauded for their point totals... "points per game" should be less important than "points per minute" or "points per 60 minutes gameplay"...
A new GM and coach coming in being handed the current C and A are basically handcuffed to continue the situation. Freeing them of MS55 adn BW26 and giving some of our exciting new players, and solid leaders a chance to step up into the vacuum left will give us a much brighter future, in my opinion.
Quote from: Jesse on April 07, 2022, 05:12:42 PM
You're not replacing 55's points at 6M. They would have to feel very strongly that his lack of effort/defensive play is hurting the team more than the points are helping.
26 is staying no matter what - his contract is unmovable.
This.
Trying to get rid of Scheifele is such a ridiculously short-sighted suggestion. Wheeler and that elephant of a contract aren't going anywhere, either.
The crusty fanboys, part-time/fair-weather supporters, and wannabe local sports writers whose existence seems to revolve around this team are being irrational and making statements based purely on anecdotes, hyperbole, and emotion. Yeah, this season has been an abject failure but knee jerk reactions aren't a solution.
Start with coaching and go from there. Moving your 1C is a stupid idea. Full stop.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 07, 2022, 09:55:18 PM
This.
Trying to get rid of Scheifele is such a ridiculously short-sighted suggestion. Wheeler and that elephant of a contract aren't going anywhere, either.
The crusty fanboys, part-time/fair-weather supporters, and wannabe local sports writers whose existence seems to revolve around this team are being irrational and making statements based purely on anecdotes, hyperbole, and emotion. Yeah, this season has been an abject failure but knee jerk reactions aren't a solution.
Start with coaching and go from there. Moving your 1C is a stupid idea. Full stop.
No one wants to move our #1C, we need to sign PLD80 long term. We're talking MS55...
With CP91 and AL17 and a host of 4th liners, your are set up the middle with PLD80 as your #1C, and you can put the "C" on him as well.
Don't get me wrong, MS55 is a great player, and will be missed. But the only way you deal BW26 is to package the two, and in doing so, you get younger, faster and completely change the leadership structure, giving PLD80 and KC81 the "C" and "A" they deserve along with JM44 wearing an "A".
Moving over $14mil in cap space and opening the team up for the future, just makes sense. We are not 1 or 2 years from being a top team, missing out on that time to develop our deep talent pool (the Moose are the best team in the AHL, and could probably beat a few NHL teams... ) by bringing them to the NHL level.
Addition by subtraction.
MS55 and PL80 are 1 and 1A. First time in a long time this team has had two very good centers. Both have a different skill set. I am not trading either because AL17 is a great third line C. and I am not sure CP91 is ready for the roll of #2 C over the course of a 80 schedule.
Our bottom 6 forwards are just that. Sanford at 2M mite not be with us next year. KV93 did nothing, JH12 still can see him playing top 6, CP91 will play on the right of either 55 or 80 next year. ES71 played well at times but inconsistent, DT21 excellent on PK, can play either 3rd. or 4th line C. I could see MB36 playing on the left side of AL17. Big guy at 6-4, 220, good speed and love to hit.
Want to move some salary, MS88/6M. Plays soft, gives up the puck a lot, can't clear the front of the net. With PS25, AC9, and NB28, that's 8-8.5M off the books for next year.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 11:32:28 PM
Don't get me wrong, MS55 is a great player, and will be missed. But the only way you deal BW26 is to package the two, and in doing so, you get younger, faster and completely change the leadership structure, giving PLD80 and KC81 the "C" and "A" they deserve along with JM44 wearing an "A".
Moving over $14mil in cap space
26 is not being traded. At all. And you say why, teams aren't bringing on 14M of cap space for two years of a bloated contract. It just isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 03:40:32 AM
MS55 and PL80 are 1 and 1A. First time in a long time this team has had two very good centers. Both have a different skill set. I am not trading either because AL17 is a great third line C. and I am not sure CP91 is ready for the roll of #2 C over the course of a 80 schedule.
17 is a great 4th line centre. We do not get enough secondary scoring from our 3rd and 4th lines.
Quote from: Jesse on April 08, 2022, 02:32:44 PM
26 is not being traded. At all. And you say why, teams aren't bringing on 14M of cap space for two years of a bloated contract. It just isn't going to happen.
17 is a great 4th line centre. We do not get enough secondary scoring from our 3rd and 4th lines.
BW26 is not getting tradfed without witholding half his salary, unless you give them something else... like a top line C in MS55. That's why my concept is to trade them as a package, you will get a return, you will get cap relief, and you will open up for new leadership. With both having no trade aspects, moving them as a pair also helps them make that decision to waive, because the only team trading for them is a team that is ready to win.
Win, win situation...
Does the perfect trading partner exist out there? We may see at or before the draft... if I am a new GM coming it, first move I make. Put *MY* mark on the team. Tells the team and the league we are not afraid of the big move, and that we expect all our players to step up.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 11:32:28 PM
No one wants to move our #1C, we need to sign PLD80 long term. We're talking MS55...
What an absurd opening statement with which to start off another farcical narrative. And you probably thought it was some clever retort, too.
Scheifele is the team's top centre with one of the most friendly contracts in the league. Dubois is a close second and fits in perfectly at 2C right now; re-signing him is a top priority and that'll happen (he has arbitration rights). Both are assets on this team in their respective spots and that's a formidable 1-2 in the team's top 6. That isn't up for debate - at all. You don't improve the team by getting rid of centre depth, especially due to one "bad" season. I use bad very, very loosely because Scheifele has still produced at his usual pace.
You make it sound like Scheifele and Wheeler are the problematic players holding back this team, despite their production (2nd and 3rd in team scoring). So, your suggestion is to trade them to somehow improve the roster. That's pure nonsense and addition by subtraction does not apply in this case. The Jets would be immediately negotiating from a disadvantageous position over such a garbage proposal like a package deal where the Jets are forced to retain salary (and likely a ton of it) to make it work. Which is to say nothing about the inanity of claiming they'll waive their respective contract clauses by moving them as a pair. How absurd. Why would they?
You're basically just repeating the same tired, erratic talking points of the local sports writers who share their shortsighted, kneejerked ignorance on websites and Twitter - and putting your own outlandish spin on it, seemingly for nothing more than the sake of discussion. There's nothing realistic or beneficial regarding any of it, though.
Also: don't lie and say Scheifele's great when you've said he's redundant, he stinks, and that he's soft at earlier points this season. You don't like him and that's hindering your ability to look at things rationally and objectively.
I'll give you credit for at least being consistent, as this proposed idea tracks with other suggestions you've made, such as trading Hellebuyck* and keeping Copp and promoting him to 2C. And that's just this season.
*
in fairness, you did back up on that one
Quote from: Jesse on April 08, 2022, 02:32:44 PM
26 is not being traded. At all. And you say why, teams aren't bringing on 14M of cap space for two years of a bloated contract. It just isn't going to happen.
17 is a great 4th line centre. We do not get enough secondary scoring from our 3rd and 4th lines.
True I have been saying that all year. 3rd and 4th. haven't been good this year. But I am not hanging that on AL17, get someone other then KV93, JH12, AB77, playing with him on a regular basis.
Knee jerk reactions all up in here when all we need is a new coach.
That's it.
Quote from: blue_or_die on April 08, 2022, 06:49:31 PM
Knee jerk reactions all up in here when all we need is a new coach.
That's it.
Yup, like you said follow Calgary's lead. A couple of small moves mite do the trick.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 08, 2022, 05:36:38 PM
What an absurd opening statement with which to start off another farcical narrative. And you probably thought it was some clever retort, too.
Scheifele is the team's top centre with one of the most friendly contracts in the league. Dubois is a close second and fits in perfectly at 2C right now; re-signing him is a top priority and that'll happen (he has arbitration rights). Both are assets on this team in their respective spots and that's a formidable 1-2 in the team's top 6. That isn't up for debate - at all. You don't improve the team by getting rid of centre depth, especially due to one "bad" season. I use bad very, very loosely because Scheifele has still produced at his usual pace.
You make it sound like Scheifele and Wheeler are the problematic players holding back this team, despite their production (2nd and 3rd in team scoring). So, your suggestion is to trade them to somehow improve the roster. That's pure nonsense and addition by subtraction does not apply in this case. The Jets would be immediately negotiating from a disadvantageous position over such a garbage proposal like a package deal where the Jets are forced to retain salary (and likely a ton of it) to make it work. Which is to say nothing about the inanity of claiming they'll waive their respective contract clauses by moving them as a pair. How absurd. Why would they?
You're basically just repeating the same tired, erratic talking points of the local sports writers who share their shortsighted, kneejerked ignorance on websites and Twitter - and putting your own outlandish spin on it, seemingly for nothing more than the sake of discussion. There's nothing realistic or beneficial regarding any of it, though.
Also: don't lie and say Scheifele's great when you've said he's redundant, he stinks, and that he's soft at earlier points this season. You don't like him and that's hindering your ability to look at things rationally and objectively.
I'll give you credit for at least being consistent, as this proposed idea tracks with other suggestions you've made, such as trading Hellebuyck* and keeping Copp and promoting him to 2C. And that's just this season.
* in fairness, you did back up on that one
MS55 is -20, PLD80 is -2. I know, +/- is a dumb stat, but it is an illustration of a player's offence vs. his defence.
Your #1C needs to handle the opponents as much as he needs to produce points. Yes, MS55 is a liability right now, regardless his point production.
For comparison, BW26 is -9, AL19 is +3, CP91 +1, KC81 +0, NE27 +10
Building a team around +/- is a fools errand, I know... but ignoring it isn't smart either...
And I think if you add up NE27, AL17, and CP91 points there points less then MS55.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 08, 2022, 09:05:16 PM
And I think if you add up NE27, AL17, and CP91 points there points less then MS55.
They actually have 1 more point... but what is your point there?
On a team that has a goal differential of -4, to be -20 is tough. Chicago has a goal differential of -61, yet Toews is only -9...
Quote from: theaardvark on April 08, 2022, 10:28:18 PM
They actually have 1 more point... but what is your point there?
On a team that has a goal differential of -4, to be -20 is tough. Chicago has a goal differential of -61, yet Toews is only -9...
The point is MS55 is a point a game C, CP91 and AL17 are no where close to that. Regardless of there +/-. And your thinking there going to replace MS55 with one of these guys.
Excellent game tonight. Would have been nice to win that one, but one mistake and they made us pay.
MS55 showed again tonight why this team needs him.
NE27 was all over the ice tonight and used his speed like he can. Felt bad for him on the OT penalty.
Love PL80 but another bad penalty tonight. If your going to be a leader, you can't take those type of penalties.
JM44 had another great game tonight. Even with the worst +/- for our D, he still is our best D man. +/- is over rated.
AL17 is just so good on the PK.
KC81, to bad he got covid, he was on fire before that.
Entertaining ?? sad ending for a determined, battling Jets players
Definitely an idiotic move by #80 ?.. agree that he has to cool his aggressiveness in the pinch
Thinking Barron might be a nice fit with Lowry & Appleton
Felt Samberg handled himself and what a nice lead pass to 55.
Yes, Barron is a big boy at 6' 4" 220, skates well, and love to hit, good fit with 17/22.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 08, 2022, 08:39:22 PM
MS55 is -20, PLD80 is -2. I know, +/- is a dumb stat, but it is an illustration of a player's offence vs. his defence.
Your #1C needs to handle the opponents as much as he needs to produce points. Yes, MS55 is a liability right now, regardless his point production.
For comparison, BW26 is -9, AL19 is +3, CP91 +1, KC81 +0, NE27 +10
Building a team around +/- is a fools errand, I know... but ignoring it isn't smart either...
You pretty much owned yourself here with this contradictory nonsense. +/- is a garbage stat and you proved why in those above comments by focusing solely on it. You also fail to address anything else.
The Jets surrender more goals than they score, regardless of the who's on the ice. That's a
team issue, so deleting two players doesn't solve anything. On the contrary, it makes the Jets a much more inferior team offensively. You don't get better by getting rid of players who produce offense.
Addressing a team issue such as this starts with who's behind the bench. It's really that simple and Maurice spoke to that when he resigned. Lowry was a placeholder and that's evidenced by the team making the same mistakes since he took over; he's not the answer going forward. The coaching staff needs to be improved and new systems need to be implemented, and that should be the organization's top priority in the off-season. Maybe Lowry gets retained in an assistant role but he's not head coach material. The only other coach I'd consider retaining is Flaherty. The rest can be shown the door.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 03:57:41 AM
Excellent game tonight. Would have been nice to win that one, but one mistake and they made us pay.
MS55 showed again tonight why this team needs him.
NE27 was all over the ice tonight and used his speed like he can. Felt bad for him on the OT penalty.
Love PL80 but another bad penalty tonight. If your going to be a leader, you can't take those type of penalties.
JM44 had another great game tonight. Even with the worst +/- for our D, he still is our best D man. +/- is over rated.
AL17 is just so good on the PK.
KC81, to bad he got covid, he was on fire before that.
Agreed on all points. Dubois' lack of discipline is troubling at times. He's the only Jet who's cracked 100 PIM (the next closest is Dillon at 63).
The Jets battled hard last night. The talent is there but the consistent effort is not.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 09, 2022, 06:31:49 PM
You pretty much owned yourself here with this contradictory nonsense. +/- is a garbage stat and you proved why in those above comments by focusing solely on it. You also fail to address anything else.
The Jets surrender more goals than they score, regardless of the who's on the ice. That's a team issue, so deleting two players doesn't solve anything. On the contrary, it makes the Jets a much more inferior team offensively. You don't get better by getting rid of players who produce offense.
Addressing a team issue such as this starts with who's behind the bench. It's really that simple and Maurice spoke to that when he resigned. Lowry was a placeholder and that's evidenced by the team making the same mistakes since he took over; he's not the answer going forward. The coaching staff needs to be improved and new systems need to be implemented, and that should be the organization's top priority in the off-season. Maybe Lowry gets retained in an assistant role but he's not head coach material. The only other coach I'd consider retaining is Flaherty. The rest can be shown the door.
Agreed on all points. Dubois' lack of discipline is troubling at times. He's the only Jet who's cracked 100 PIM (the next closest is Dillon at 63).
The Jets battled hard last night. The talent is there but the consistent effort is not.
I fell like our PP needs to get better. Teams will let you pass the puck around the outside all night long. It looks great for the fans, but at the end of the day you have to score. Our PP last night missed Bw26. Also I totally agree about our consistency. We need to play for 60 minutes.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 03:57:41 AM
Excellent game tonight. Would have been nice to win that one, but one mistake and they made us pay.
MS55 showed again tonight why this team needs him.
NE27 was all over the ice tonight and used his speed like he can. Felt bad for him on the OT penalty.
Love PL80 but another bad penalty tonight. If your going to be a leader, you can't take those type of penalties.
JM44 had another great game tonight. Even with the worst +/- for our D, he still is our best D man. +/- is over rated.
AL17 is just so good on the PK.
KC81, to bad he got covid, he was on fire before that.
He also gave away the puck and didn't skate back to the puck on a goal against - again.
aardvark is clearly going overboard, but his points against Scheif aren't wrong.
Quote from: Jesse on April 09, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
He also gave away the puck and didn't skate back to the puck on a goal against - again.
aardvark is clearly going overboard, but his points against Scheif aren't wrong.
No he is not wrong about MS55 habits. But he is wrong to think AL17 or CP91 can replace him as a top 2 C.
JH12 is a -9 with 10 points. KV93 is a -8 with 3 points. I will take MS55 at -17 and and 69 points all day long.
You can teach a player to play D, you can't teach a play to score goals.
Helli was excellent again tonight.
PP showed up tonight.
The line of 25/55/27 have played very well the last couple of game. To bad 55 got injured.
13/17/27 also had a strong game.
Nice to see 81 get going again. 81/80 are a force.
Nothing flashy out of 54, but he is rock steady and like to use his body.
a much needed Great Victory & indeed HellB had to be terrific
Samberg is definitely holding his own out there & again liked Barron's game, while #27 the Fly has really heated up
May prove costly as #55 is already ruled out of the game vs the Habs
Unfortunately the Stars won again
Quote from: Pigskin on April 09, 2022, 07:23:42 PM
I fell like our PP needs to get better. Teams will let you pass the puck around the outside all night long. It looks great for the fans, but at the end of the day you have to score. Our PP last night missed Bw26. Also I totally agree about our consistency. We need to play for 60 minutes.
Special teams as a whole needs to be improved. That's on coaching/system, IMO.
Quote from: Jesse on April 09, 2022, 07:49:52 PM
He also gave away the puck and didn't skate back to the puck on a goal against - again.
aardvark is clearly going overboard, but his points against Scheif aren't wrong.
The only point that's accurate is his defensive play and using +/- to prop up the argument is foolish at best. The rest is just emotionally fueled conjecture at best.
That singular point is still not reason enough to justify moving him or asserting Dubois is the better centre, though. This team gets markedly worse without Scheifele.
Quote from: Jockitch on April 11, 2022, 04:36:49 AM
Unfortunately the Stars won again
It doesn't matter. The Jets are done.
Nothing emotional about it, no conjecture at all. MS55 is defensively a liability, no one disputes that, +/- is a measure of just how much a liability it is. He hasn't always been, but something has changed (he was +45 in his career coming into this year). Is he on a too offensive line? Are D behind him more offensively minded? I don't know, but in a league where 200' game is emphasized for your #1 guys, MS55 is no longer a 200' player.
PLD80 is a physical leader, many lament his 100 PIM's, but interesting stat, he leads the league in penalties induced at 48. So, his +/- PIM's is -4 if they were all 2 minors, if even 2 were majors, he's even stephen on PIMs... but no one doubts his ability to play or lead. Unfortunately there are no letters available for his chest.
Point production vs. salary, MS55 is a great deal. Is that the issue? Is he playing like he thinks a $6.125mil player should? Does he think he needs $8-9mil a year to play all 200' of ice?
Here is the other issue. This offseason, we have to sign PLD80 to a new deal. He is an RFA, but now is the time to lock him up longterm. He is going to get more than MS55, guaranteed, even on a bridge. So now you have a new issue with the locker room dynamic. How does he "lead" even though the "#2C" is younger and getting more money than him?
Moving MS55 and BW26 as a package deal allows a completely new leadership team to take over. It opens up cap space to sign PLD80 long term at a competitive rate. You could also make a play for AC9 if you think CP91 is not ready to step into the #2 role, or if AL19 isn't ready to share that. Even signing PS25 for a year as a placeholder while CP91 ramps up.
Long term, changing the leadership of the team is a tough decision, but I think we've seen just how far MS55 and BW26 can take us. Handing the reins over to PLD80(C), KC81(A), JM44(A) (so incredibly jazzed at his play of late) with the support team they have, I do not think MS55 and BW26 will be missed.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 11, 2022, 04:15:53 PM
Nothing emotional about it, no conjecture at all. MS55 is defensively a liability, no one disputes that, +/- is a measure of just how much a liability it is. He hasn't always been, but something has changed (he was +45 in his career coming into this year). Is he on a too offensive line? Are D behind him more offensively minded? I don't know, but in a league where 200' game is emphasized for your #1 guys, MS55 is no longer a 200' player.
PLD80 is a physical leader, many lament his 100 PIM's, but interesting stat, he leads the league in penalties induced at 48. So, his +/- PIM's is -4 if they were all 2 minors, if even 2 were majors, he's even stephen on PIMs... but no one doubts his ability to play or lead. Unfortunately there are no letters available for his chest.
Point production vs. salary, MS55 is a great deal. Is that the issue? Is he playing like he thinks a $6.125mil player should? Does he think he needs $8-9mil a year to play all 200' of ice?
Here is the other issue. This offseason, we have to sign PLD80 to a new deal. He is an RFA, but now is the time to lock him up longterm. He is going to get more than MS55, guaranteed, even on a bridge. So now you have a new issue with the locker room dynamic. How does he "lead" even though the "#2C" is younger and getting more money than him?
Moving MS55 and BW26 as a package deal allows a completely new leadership team to take over. It opens up cap space to sign PLD80 long term at a competitive rate. You could also make a play for AC9 if you think CP91 is not ready to step into the #2 role, or if AL19 isn't ready to share that. Even signing PS25 for a year as a placeholder while CP91 ramps up.
Long term, changing the leadership of the team is a tough decision, but I think we've seen just how far MS55 and BW26 can take us. Handing the reins over to PLD80(C), KC81(A), JM44(A) (so incredibly jazzed at his play of late) with the support team they have, I do not think MS55 and BW26 will be missed.
And the broken record continues. And it's AL17. The $3.75M we save when PS25 is gone will more then cover PL80.
Also who is this support team??
Dubois is a pending RFA with arbitration rights and the team has cap space to sign him long term should the two parties decide on that in the off-season. His re-signing has literally nothing to do with any other player on the team save solidifying the Jets' top 6 down the middle.
The mental gymnastics it takes to crap on two of team's top scorers, speculate on their motives, commitment, etc., while simultaneously suggesting the Jets "package" them in the hopes of expecting both to waive contract movement clauses with the Jets retaining salary to effectuate some absolute garbage trade is the pinnacle of ignorance. Which is to say nothing about the excuses made for the most penalized player on the team, especially when you consider the Jets' PK is well below the league average, and one who should also apparently be given the captaincy despite having never worn a letter in his professional career.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 06:17:32 PM
Dubois is a pending RFA with arbitration rights and the team has cap space to sign him long term should the two parties decide on that in the off-season. His re-signing has literally nothing to do with any other player on the team save solidifying the Jets' top 6 down the middle.
The mental gymnastics it takes to crap on two of team's top scorers, speculate on their motives, commitment, etc., while simultaneously suggesting the Jets "package" them in the hopes of expecting both to waive contract movement clauses with the Jets retaining salary to effectuate some absolute garbage trade is the pinnacle of ignorance. Which is to say nothing about the excuses made for the most penalized player on the team, especially when you consider the Jets' PK is well below the league average, and one who should also apparently be given the captaincy despite having never worn a letter in his professional career.
I would say if there was a change in our captains, Adam Lowry would have to be consider. Game in and game out the man works his tail off. Also when crap starts to happen AL17, is right there taking care of business. Probably the most respected Jet in the dressing room.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 06:17:32 PM
Dubois is a pending RFA with arbitration rights and the team has cap space to sign him long term should the two parties decide on that in the off-season. His re-signing has literally nothing to do with any other player on the team save solidifying the Jets' top 6 down the middle.
The mental gymnastics it takes to crap on two of team's top scorers, speculate on their motives, commitment, etc., while simultaneously suggesting the Jets "package" them in the hopes of expecting both to waive contract movement clauses with the Jets retaining salary to effectuate some absolute garbage trade is the pinnacle of ignorance. Which is to say nothing about the excuses made for the most penalized player on the team, especially when you consider the Jets' PK is well below the league average, and one who should also apparently be given the captaincy despite having never worn a letter in his professional career.
We've tried a new coach, we've tried shaking up the lines... this team has never achieved its potential.
Is it wrong to wonder if there is something wrong with the dynamic?
I don't doubt BW26 has heart, and MS55 has talent. And BW26's contract is unmoveable, and MS55's is value.
In this league of young talent and leadership, I think a retool (from the GM down) is a course I could follow... watching this team continue the current course is getting old real quick.
PLD80 has a passion that gets him penalties, sure, but also draws just as many of them. If anything, I think that makes him a better candidate to lead. Last thing you want in a leader is a milquetoast.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 11, 2022, 06:39:16 PM
I would say if there was a change in our captains, Adam Lowry would have to be consider. Game in and game out the man works his tail off. Also when crap starts to happen AL17, is right there taking care of business. Probably the most respected Jet in the dressing room.
I agree, Lowry is a great consideration for C, and if we weren't handing the team over to PLD80 in the absence of BW26, he wold be my choice. Probably a toss up for the other "A" between KC81 and AL17, really... no one is going anywhere near JM44's "A"...
Quote from: theaardvark on April 11, 2022, 08:01:51 PM
We've tried a new coach...
Lowry is not a new coach. He's an interim head coach. Know the difference.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 08:49:02 PM
Lowry is not a new coach. He's an interim head coach. Know the difference.
"New" as in different...
Do you think the "New" coach will be able to change the team dynamic with BW26 and MS55?
Will a new GM make a difference?
Quote from: theaardvark on April 11, 2022, 09:30:38 PM
"New" as in different...
Do you think the "New" coach will be able to change the team dynamic with BW26 and MS55?
You shouldn't have said new, then. You should've said different. He was on the staff when Maurice stepped down; nothing has changed.
You make it sound like Wheeler and Scheifele are the problem with this team. If that is your assertion, I would conclude you don't watch the Jets closely enough on a game-to-game basis.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2022, 09:44:27 PM
You shouldn't have said new, then. You should've said different. He was on the staff when Maurice stepped down; nothing has changed.
You make it sound like Wheeler and Scheifele are the problem with this team. If that is your assertion, I would conclude you don't watch the Jets closely enough on a game-to-game basis.
Sorry you didn't understand that any time you have a coach quit, by definition, the new coach is new. He wasn't the head coach before, and is now. New.
Interesting stat they mentioned near the end of game... the Jets are 5-0 when BW26 and MS55 are not in the lineup...
5-0
Just sayin'
When your playing the last place team in the league and there playing there 3rd. string goalie, it's a game you have to win.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 12, 2022, 02:53:18 AM
Sorry you didn't understand that any time you have a coach quit, by definition, the new coach is new. He wasn't the head coach before, and is now. New.
Interesting stat they mentioned near the end of game... the Jets are 5-0 when BW26 and MS55 are not in the lineup...
5-0
Just sayin'
LOL
Lowry's title is literally interim head coach. A
new head coach will hopefully hired in the off-season.
And then a little confirmation bias for good measure. Pairs well with the mental gymnastics.
"Just sayin'." ;D
Tomorrow's game has been postponed due to the storm heading our way. It'll be played instead on May 1st.
So, as much heat as Chevy has taken, they have garnered a nice player in Barron for Copp.. and Sanford is not too bad either...
What to do with the D now... Stanley, Heinola and most importantly Samberg need to be in the lineup...
A Win is a win ........ so extremely happy that the victory was the result of the effort last night regardless of Habs terrible record
I'm a bit of a broken record when mentioning, again, how I enjoy effort from Barron & Samberg ...... last night was special for Barron indeed
Anyone hear anything on 55's injury & whether Wheeler is fit to play in Florida
Samberg seems like a pretty good fit so far. Could be an important piece in the near future.
Has Stanley been a healthy scratch recently? He hasn't played for some time.
As for Scheifele and Wheeler, I'd probably sit them both until they're completely healthy. Although, it's not like they'll be playing past the end of the month, so it probably doesn't make a difference.
Quote from: Jockitch on April 12, 2022, 08:10:07 PM
A Win is a win ........ so extremely happy that the victory was the result of the effort last night regardless of Habs terrible record
I'm a bit of a broken record when mentioning, again, how I enjoy effort from Barron & Samberg ...... last night was special for Barron indeed
Anyone hear anything on 55's injury & whether Wheeler is fit to play in Florida
If MS55 and BW26 both golf tomorrow they should be good to go. lol
Yup Barron has looked good, and will probably fit in nicely with 17/22 next season. Some control $$ left on him also.
I like Sanford, but he's an UFA and was making 2M per. Another guy that could play with 17/22 on the third line. But not a top 6 forward.
Samberg, doesn't make the mistake the Stanley and Ville make. Stanley has the size and the toughness the Jets need. Ville has the best skills of the three handling the puck. But we already have NP4, and JM44, and both are more physical then Ville.
Golfing in Florida ?? have done it several times and would offer to be a Jets caddy
Tools that Samberg has will threaten Stanley ice time. Plus Kovacevic, guest a few weeks ago during a Moose game called him one of the top Dmen in the AHL., should be passing Heinola for different reasons
No break from Dallas or the Canucks last night
The Stars only have 4 games left, but are 7 points ahead of us but we have some tough games ahead of us. The Canucks right now are on a roll with a 4 game winning streak.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 13, 2022, 04:16:07 PM
The Stars only have 4 games left, but are 7 points ahead of us and we have some tough games ahead of us. The Canucks right now are on a roll with a 4 game winning streak.
You're cute.
Quote from: Jesse on April 13, 2022, 04:23:26 PM
You're cute.
So my 12 year old Grandson says, some old guy responded to my post, You're cute. Creepy.
We wish the Stars only had 4 games left but unfortunately have 9 with 6 at home
Well no Jets tonight, but Vladi with 3 home runs tonight.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 14, 2022, 03:15:59 AM
Well no Jets tonight, but Vladi with 3 home runs tonight.
4/4, 3 HR, 4 RBIs, and two stiches in his hand.
Wheeler back in tonight, don't know if I will be watching tonight. It's either the Jets game or Sing 2. Tough one.
Can't says I watched much of the game. Big movie night, Sing 2 and F9.
Only seemed competitive in the 2nd otherwise a long night of not much to cheer about
Chevy needs to go...jets will be eliminated and so should Chevy. Start over time. New GM, new coach please
Watched the jets vs TB game, god the jets are awful, 16 shots in a game of hockey??!!! Sheiffle is out but seriously , would he add 15 shots more to our offense ??? How did we get so bad?? Half our lineup should be playing for the moose
Quote from: The Zipp on April 17, 2022, 01:49:51 AM
Chevy needs to go...jets will be eliminated and so should Chevy. Start over time. New GM, new coach please
Couldn?t agree more. How do we let the likes of Myers, trouba, charot, Tanev go and replacement them with AHL talent. It is a crime to what?s happened to this club. Maurice knew what he was doing when he resigned. God himself couldn?t make this a good NHL club. We need a ton of talent to replace what we ve lost
Quote from: dd on April 17, 2022, 02:23:13 AM
Couldn?t agree more. How do we let the likes of Myers, trouba, charot, Tanev go and replacement them with AHL talent. It is a crime to what?s happened to this club. Maurice knew what he was doing when he resigned. God himself couldn?t make this a good NHL club. We need a ton of talent to replace what we ve lost
Far from the issue... each of those players were too costly and letting them leave have proven to be wise moves...
But there is an issue with Chevy and his entourage... there is a reason to move on... this team has some really good pieces, but the top is underperforming and change must happen, sooner than later.
Hellebuck is slow in reacting to pucks . Jet up 4-2 of course Hellebuck let's in the next shot between his legs and they go high on him . Always on his knees
As a fan ?? accepting life without playoffs now.
Quote from: buckzumhoff on April 17, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
Hellebuck is slow in reacting to pucks . Jet up 4-2 of course Hellebuck let's in the next shot between his legs and they go high on him . Always on his knees
This is just flat out incorrect.
Quote from: Jockitch on April 17, 2022, 07:09:46 PM
As a fan ?? accepting life without playoffs now.
It's been a reality for some time - even if "mathematically" they were still in it.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 17, 2022, 02:42:13 AM
Far from the issue... each of those players were too costly and letting them leave have proven to be wise moves...
But there is an issue with Chevy and his entourage... there is a reason to move on... this team has some really good pieces, but the top is underperforming and change must happen, sooner than later.
Your first paragraph is correct, but I don?t understand the second. I see no terrible moves that Chevy has made to make us want to move on. The players are great on paper but the coach isn?t extracting all the juice we can get out of them.
Quote from: blue_or_die on April 18, 2022, 11:16:36 PM
Your first paragraph is correct, but I don?t understand the second. I see no terrible moves that Chevy has made to make us want to move on. The players are great on paper but the coach isn?t extracting all the juice we can get out of them.
Its not only the moves you make, its the moves you don't make... there are lot of pieces here that should have been moved... starting that the top...
Quote from: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 03:39:50 AM
Its not only the moves you make, its the moves you don't make... there are lot of pieces here that should have been moved... starting that the top...
A lot of piece. Okay, tell us who are those pieces? Other then your usual MS55 and BW26.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 03:39:50 AM
Its not only the moves you make, its the moves you don't make... there are lot of pieces here that should have been moved... starting that the top...
So you're saying Chevy should be fired because he didn't trade our captain and assistant captain.
Got it.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 19, 2022, 05:00:57 AM
A lot of piece. Okay, tell us who are those pieces? Other then your usual MS55 and BW26.
Everything above and including those two...
A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster. Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....
Quote from: blue_or_die on April 19, 2022, 03:01:47 PM
So you're saying Chevy should be fired because he didn't trade our captain and assistant captain.
Got it.
There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
Everything above and including those two...
A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster. Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....
There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team.
That's what I thought you really can't supply a list.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 19, 2022, 04:57:10 PM
That's what I thought you really can't supply a list.
Pretty simple list... MS55, BW26 and the entire management and coaching staff. Might retain the trainers and support staff, but coaches and management, buh bye.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
Everything above and including those two...
A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster. Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....
There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team.
lol who has Chevy been married to? It's his job as a GM to sign players and he's done just that.
He has a perennial ~30 goal scorer and top C who he drafted and developed and another player who is the captain and earned a high-end, long term contract that was needed when we were trying to make the best of our window. You can criticize Scheifele for having an off-year (although not when you look at value-for-dollar) and Wheeler for being overpaid and over the hump but these are hardly horrible flubs.
Pigskin is right though, your entire argument is centred around your hate for Scheifele and Wheeler alone. Since you're such a +/- guy, that stat on Chevy is will over 0.
Quote from: blue_or_die on April 19, 2022, 03:01:47 PM
So you're saying Chevy should be fired because he didn't trade our captain and assistant captain.
Got it.
Comical stuff. Easily the most entertaining commentary concerning the Jets. :D
Quote from: theaardvark on April 19, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
A better GM/Coach combo will do wonders with this roster. Keep Stasny in the $3mil range, sign or get back in a trade a top six forward, and you can deal MS55/BW26 together... maybe to Chicago for Toews and a top prospect/DP's....
There are many reasons Chevy needs to go, he has made some awesome draft choices and larceny in some trades, but yeah, his being married to certain players/coaches has been at the detriment of the team.
LOL :D :D
Where do you continue to come up with these ill-conceived, woefully misinformed, and utterly laughable suggestions?
Jonathan Toews...? The same Jonathan Toews who has 11 goals and 32 points in 65 games, sitting at
-17 (because you love to point out the +/- of both Wheeler and Scheifele whenever you dump on them)? The same Jonathan Toews who is statistically inferior to both Wheeler and Scheifele? The same Jonathan Toews with a $10.5M cap hit for next season, higher than even Wheeler's? Not to mention his NMC that likely includes Winnipeg.
Did you even look into any of those specifics before you decided to share that absolutely terrible trade idea in this thread?
EDIT: I'll even do the work (because this is easy and fun).
Scheifele: $6.125M AAV, 67 GP, 29 G, 41 A, 70 P (1.04 PPG), -17, 23 PIM, 18.2 S%, 21:08 ATOI, 50.7 FO%
Toews: $10.5M AAV, 65 GP, 11 G, 21 A, 32 P (0.49 PPG), -17, 33 PIM, 9.5 S%, 17:30 ATOI, 58.7 FO%Toews' only advantage is in the face-off circle. That is it. He's also five years older than Scheifele.
You irrationally claim Cheveldayoff is "married" to two players without any actual explanation, despite the fact it's the coaching staff who determines how players are deployed on a roster. No doubt he's missed on some roster moves and made some mistakes during his tenure, but the good far outweighs the bad when looked at objectively. No GM in the NHL has an unblemished record, anyway.
This ongoing emotionally charged, unobjectively sound narrative of seemingly nothing more than a dislike for Scheifele, Wheeler, and now Cheveldayoff continues to pollute this thread with its inanity.
Sure, the Jets have had a forgettable season but singling out a few big names is just lazy and quite frankly, ignorant. Do better.
Quote from: blue_or_die on April 19, 2022, 07:03:01 PM
He has a perennial ~30 goal scorer and top C who he drafted and developed and another player who is the captain and earned a high-end, long term contract that was needed when we were trying to make the best of our window. You can criticize Scheifele for having an off-year (although not when you look at value-for-dollar) and Wheeler for being overpaid and over the hump but these are hardly horrible flubs.
Pigskin is right though, your entire argument is centred around your hate for Scheifele and Wheeler alone. Since you're such a +/- guy, that stat on Chevy is will over 0.
Imagine thinking Toews is a better forward than Scheifele. LOL :D
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 19, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
Comical stuff. Easily the most entertaining commentary concerning the Jets:D
LOL :D :D
Where do you continue to come up with these ill-conceived, woefully misinformed, and utterly laughable suggestions?
Jonathan Toews...? The same Jonathan Toews who has 11 goals and 32 points in 65 games, sitting at -17 (because you love to point out the +/- of both Wheeler and Scheifele whenever you dump on them)? The same Jonathan Toews who is statistically inferior to both Wheeler and Scheifele? The same Jonathan Toews with a $10.5M cap hit for next season, higher than even Wheeler's? Not to mention his NMC that likely includes Winnipeg.
Did you even look into any of those specifics before you decided to share that absolutely terrible trade idea in this thread?
You irrationally claim Cheveldayoff is "married" to those two players without any actual explanation, despite the fact it's the coaching staff who determines how players are deployed on a roster. No doubt he's missed on some roster moves and made some mistakes during his tenure, but the good far outweighs the bad when looked at objectively. No GM in the NHL has an unblemished record, anyway.
This ongoing emotionally charged, unobjectively sound narrative of seemingly nothing more than a dislike for Scheifele, Wheeler, and now Cheveldayoff continues to pollute this thread with its inanity.
Sure, the Jets have had a forgettable season but singling out a few big names is just lazy and quite frankly, ignorant. Do better.
Imagine thinking Toews is a better forward than Scheifele. LOL :D
Now there's a bad trade. Aard's your fired. Take the trainer with you. No don't, he's a friend of mine.
Certainly had some very decent high scoring chances
However on replays, one can see, arm chair Senior eyes, some poor choices of where to put the puck --- course then there's Shesterkin
Felt Com had a very good night in goal, 25, 26, 27, 81 were pretty darn good but it wasn't the Jets night
I missed the post game, but Dubois was apparently outspoken... unhappy with the way the Jets are playing, pointing out how good teams play... and how the Jets play...
Mike McIntyre@mikemcintyrewpg
Here is the complete quote from an angry, frustrated Pierre-Luc Dubois tonight where he sings the praises of how good hockey teams play and contrasts it with what he's seen from his #NHLJets.
It's candid, quality stuff from the 23-year-old, who oozes leadership qualities.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQwUMmVWYAApDYz?format=png&name=medium
What's the old saying attributed erroneously to Einstein? Keep doing the same stuff expecting different results..
Results need to be improved.
If the leaders can't lead and the coaches can't coach, them its the GM that put them there that needs to be changed as well...
I like the idea of a new team next year.
Dubois, Conner, Ehlers... Morrissey.. behind them the depth is pretty solid.
Can MS55 and BW26 change? Are they leading in a way purely created by the coaches, or are the coaches gameplanning to the players they have leading? If the new GM thinks they can adapt to the new coach, then give them a short leash to change course... but be ready to make big moves...
We traded PL29 for PLD80... if he doesn't see cahnge coming, he's not going to hang around long... and he is a leader you can build around
Leaving anything above them status quo is doing the same thing expecting different results.
Both Wheeler and Scheifele, along with a myriad of other Jets players, have made similar comments after a loss - on numerous occasions. This is nothing new.
Being able to conduct an interview and share some thoughts with a less than mediocre sports writer after a game should not be over-analyzed as "quality stuff" or "oozing leadership qualities;" it's part of being a professional hockey player. There's nothing outspoken about it from any objective standpoint.
Furthermore, talking accounts for very little when it's not accompanied by action. His stat line last night: 2 SOG, -2, 19:41 TOI, 36.7 FO% - hardly leadership calibre numbers.
He should be unhappy, along with every other player facing the bitter reality hockey ends for them in less than two weeks.
If anyone thinks status quo will be followed after this failure of a season, they don't pay enough attention to this team.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2022, 02:05:49 PM
Both Wheeler and Scheifele, along with a myriad of other Jets players, have made similar comments after a loss - on numerous occasions. This is nothing new.
Being able to conduct an interview and share some thoughts with a less than mediocre sports writer after a game should not be over-analyzed as "quality stuff" or "oozing leadership qualities;" it's part of being a professional hockey player. There's nothing outspoken about it from any objective standpoint.
Furthermore, talking accounts for very little when it's not accompanied by action. His stat line last night: 2 SOG, -2, 19:41 TOI, 36.7 FO% - hardly leadership calibre numbers.
He should be unhappy, along with every other player facing the bitter reality hockey ends for them in less than two weeks.
If anyone thinks status quo will be followed after this failure of a season, they don't pay enough attention to this team.
Yes talking leaders, PL80 in the last three games, -4, and 1A. JM44 -5, 1A.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2022, 02:05:49 PM
Both Wheeler and Scheifele, along with a myriad of other Jets players, have made similar comments after a loss - on numerous occasions. This is nothing new.
Yes, you are correct. The big difference is, they have had a long time to lead the change, but instead, got a coach to actually quit on the team. He didn't quit because of the play of our fourth line, or Conner, or Dubois, or Ehlers. His "leadership group" was BW26 and MS55. And he could not win with them. Saddling a new coach with a problem that caused a beloved and veteran coach to actually quit mid season AND mid contract, who will you attract for THAT position?
Give the new coach a blank slate, let him choose his "C" and "A" without pre existing expectations. Sure, MS55 is a point a game, and BW26 has the heart of an ox, but they have consistently failed to perform the one vital task a leader has to. Win, and rally the team behind them. The fact that "a myriad of Jets players" have made similar comments proves my point, not yours. Every one of those comments points to leadership's performance.
In My Humble Opinion, the only way to take this to the next level is to make a change now, maybe take a step backwards, sure, but rather than wait for BW26 to become the next Andrew Ladd, and while we can get a return on MS55's contract, make the tough move now.
We need to Marie Kondo this team, remove the things that do not spark joy. We need to remove familiar things to make room for new growth and new favourites.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2022, 02:05:49 PM
If anyone thinks status quo will be followed after this failure of a season, they don't pay enough attention to this team.
If there is no change in leadership, we get status quo. A new coach will make a difference, but any new coach inherits the ghost of disappointments past if he has to use the same lineup and has the same GM.
Clearing house when replacing the coach gives the new guy a fighting chance. Changing the on ice face of the team gives the new coach a chance to build without past failures haunting him.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 02:24:45 PM
Yes talking leaders, PL80 in the last three games, -4, and 1A. JM44 -5, 1A.
Wow, an *I* was accused of cherrypicking stats...
BW26 1G -8
MS55 0P -0 (did not play)
So, MS55 was the most productive player of all... by not playing. Nice.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 20, 2022, 02:38:51 PM
Yes, you are correct. The big difference is, they have had a long time to lead the change, but instead, got a coach to actually quit on the team. He didn't quit because of the play of our fourth line, or Conner, or Dubois, or Ehlers. His "leadership group" was BW26 and MS55. And he could not win with them. Saddling a new coach with a problem that caused a beloved and veteran coach to actually quit mid season AND mid contract, who will you attract for THAT position?
Give the new coach a blank slate, let him choose his "C" and "A" without pre existing expectations. Sure, MS55 is a point a game, and BW26 has the heart of an ox, but they have consistently failed to perform the one vital task a leader has to. Win, and rally the team behind them. The fact that "a myriad of Jets players" have made similar comments proves my point, not yours. Every one of those comments points to leadership's performance.
In My Humble Opinion, the only way to take this to the next level is to make a change now, maybe take a step backwards, sure, but rather than wait for BW26 to become the next Andrew Ladd, and while we can get a return on MS55's contract, make the tough move now.
We need to Marie Kondo this team, remove the things that do not spark joy. We need to remove familiar things to make room for new growth and new favourites.
If there is no change in leadership, we get status quo. A new coach will make a difference, but any new coach inherits the ghost of disappointments past if he has to use the same lineup and has the same GM.
Clearing house when replacing the coach gives the new guy a fighting chance. Changing the on ice face of the team gives the new coach a chance to build without past failures haunting him.
Wow, an *I* was accused of cherrypicking stats...
BW26 1G -8
MS55 0P -0 (did not play)
So, MS55 was the most productive player of all... by not playing. Nice.
You were talking the new leaders. These are two of the guys you were talking about. Not BW26.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 20, 2022, 02:38:51 PM
Yes, you are correct. The big difference is, they have had a long time to lead the change, but instead, got a coach to actually quit on the team. He didn't quit because of the play of our fourth line, or Conner, or Dubois, or Ehlers. His "leadership group" was BW26 and MS55. And he could not win with them. Saddling a new coach with a problem that caused a beloved and veteran coach to actually quit mid season AND mid contract, who will you attract for THAT position?
Give the new coach a blank slate, let him choose his "C" and "A" without pre existing expectations. Sure, MS55 is a point a game, and BW26 has the heart of an ox, but they have consistently failed to perform the one vital task a leader has to. Win, and rally the team behind them. The fact that "a myriad of Jets players" have made similar comments proves my point, not yours. Every one of those comments points to leadership's performance.
In My Humble Opinion, the only way to take this to the next level is to make a change now, maybe take a step backwards, sure, but rather than wait for BW26 to become the next Andrew Ladd, and while we can get a return on MS55's contract, make the tough move now.
We need to Marie Kondo this team, remove the things that do not spark joy. We need to remove familiar things to make room for new growth and new favourites.
If there is no change in leadership, we get status quo. A new coach will make a difference, but any new coach inherits the ghost of disappointments past if he has to use the same lineup and has the same GM.
Clearing house when replacing the coach gives the new guy a fighting chance. Changing the on ice face of the team gives the new coach a chance to build without past failures haunting him.
Wow, an *I* was accused of cherrypicking stats...
BW26 1G -8
MS55 0P -0 (did not play)
So, MS55 was the most productive player of all... by not playing. Nice.
And the mental gymnastics continue. The Marie Kondo remarks... *chef's kiss* :D
As if you're trying to pretend you know why Maurice resigned and then spew falsehoods about what happened. Have a read: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-head-coach-paul-maurice-resigns/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-head-coach-paul-maurice-resigns/)
He didn't just "quit on the team" if you'd bothered to pay attention when he did step down back in December. And he explained pretty much everything regarding his decision to resign, one he didn't make lightly or rashly. Your lame attempt to frame it otherwise to suit your deformed opinions is pretty disrespectful. I'm surprised you didn't blame him for ruining Scheifele again.
But of course you blame just Wheeler and Scheifele - way to be consistent with your irrational dislike. It's weird how you'll exclude Morrissey from the leadership group and give him and everyone else a pass for an entire team struggling more often than not this season. And just so you know, letters on jerseys aren't the be-all end-all of leadership on a hockey team. It's far more complex than any of the trivialized narratives you've been peddling in this thread. And somehow, according to you, Dubois is the best leader on the team despite any evidence to back up that claim. But at least he interviews like a leader, right? Oof.
The fact that you'd pin an entire team's failings on just two players really speaks to the ignorance on display here, not to mention a total lack of understanding of the complexities and intricacies of professional hockey. Your feigned admiration for either Scheifele or Wheeler is as transparent as glass based on the vitriol you've directed at both in this thread, so why even bother making disingenuous remarks?
It's hilarious how you're so steadfast in your ridiculous suggestion to move two players but then contradict yourself with the "maybe it's a step backwards" line. The self-owns just keep on comin'! :D
Remember when you made the comparison to Ladd before and it got shot down faster than a Russian helicopter in Ukraine? As if you just brought that up again... Another self-own! :D
You need to figure out what status quo means because you're not using it properly.
And yes, you were justifiably accused of cherry-picking because you did just that in your attacks on certain players while defending others. It's one of more than a few logical fallacies you've committed in this thread over the course of the season.
"Clearing" house isn't needed; the Jets don't need to rebuild. They need a new coaching staff, a new system, and a few pieces to fill out the roster depending on how the UFA situation shakes out.
The bolded part of that meandering commentary is nonsense and I think you know that. Why even make it?
Quote from: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
You were talking the new leaders. These are two of the guys you were talking about. Not BW26.
A: "Look at the +/- of those two players I don't like!"
everyone else: "Look at the +/- of those players you do like!"
A: "No, not like that!"
LOL :D
Quote from: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
You were talking the new leaders. These are two of the guys you were talking about. Not BW26.
In the three games you quote, no one was a +. No one.
Player G A +/-
MA22 0 1 0
JH12 0 0 0
NE27 1 1 -1
AL17 0 1 -1
KC81 1 1 -2
ZS12 0 0 -2
NS88 0 0 -2
NP4 0 2 -3
BD5 0 0 -3
PS25 1 1 -4
PLD80 1 1 -4
MB36 0 0 -7
BW26 1 0 -8
I have been a MS55 and BW26 fan in the past, and I do not discount that they have talent / ability. I just think if we are going to make changes, if we are going to have a completely new coaching staff, now is the ideal time to turn the keys over to the new guard.
Start fresh. Because if they stumble out of the blocks next season... what do you do?
Quote from: theaardvark on April 21, 2022, 12:12:54 AM
In the three games you quote, no one was a +. No one.
Player G A +/-
MA22 0 1 0
JH12 0 0 0
NE27 1 1 -1
AL17 0 1 -1
KC81 1 1 -2
ZS12 0 0 -2
NS88 0 0 -2
NP4 0 2 -3
BD5 0 0 -3
PS25 1 1 -4
PLD80 1 1 -4
MB36 0 0 -7
BW26 1 0 -8
I have been a MS55 and BW26 fan in the past, and I do not discount that they have talent / ability. I just think if we are going to make changes, if we are going to have a completely new coaching staff, now is the ideal time to turn the keys over to the new guard.
Start fresh. Because if they stumble out of the blocks next season... what do you do?
OMG. This record just keeps on skipping. lol And by the way when in the last 3 games did PL80 score??? I think your thinking JM44 who is not on the list.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 21, 2022, 12:12:54 AM
In the three games you quote, no one was a +. No one.
Player G A +/-
MA22 0 1 0
JH12 0 0 0
NE27 1 1 -1
AL17 0 1 -1
KC81 1 1 -2
ZS12 0 0 -2
NS88 0 0 -2
NP4 0 2 -3
BD5 0 0 -3
PS25 1 1 -4
PLD80 1 1 -4
MB36 0 0 -7
BW26 1 0 -8
I have been a MS55 and BW26 fan in the past, and I do not discount that they have talent / ability. I just think if we are going to make changes, if we are going to have a completely new coaching staff, now is the ideal time to turn the keys over to the new guard.
Start fresh. Because if they stumble out of the blocks next season... what do you do?
Whether you like it or not, we function as a draft and develop team.
MS is the epitome of that philosophy who was drafted, developed, and signed to a long-term, team friendly contract.
Whatever his warts are, he's the best option we have or will have.
He and BW are not tradeable.
Quote from: Jesse on April 21, 2022, 03:45:46 PM
Whether you like it or not, we function as a draft and develop team.
MS is the epitome of that philosophy who was drafted, developed, and signed to a long-term, team friendly contract.
Whatever his warts are, he's the best option we have or will have.
He and BW are not tradeable.
Yes, you are correct, we draft and develop, mainly because due to our market, we are a hard sell to a lot of players to come here voluntarily.
Yes, MS is a great example of draft and develop, and is on a long term team friendly contract. And he does produce points. But there are big holes in his game that people seem content to overlook due to point production. Is he the best option we have? Is he better than PLD80? I really don't think so. And with only 1 #1C spot available, which would you rather keep? With CP91 champing at the bit, and AL17 in slot 3 and a large number of prospects / veterans for the 4th line, isn't it is good roster management to move an asset at its most valuable when you can?
And BW26 is not moveable on his own, without retaining a lot of his current deal, which is why the package makes sense. Move the younger guy with the attractive contract along with the older guy... and giving them an opportunity to move to a new team that is looking for that final move to make them a contender might be attractive enough for the duo to shelve their NM/NT clauses. Getting back a young winger and some DP/prospects opens up the vault for PLD80 and maybe a vet FA that fits well.
Draft and develop only works if you can move on from parts that didn't work out... we traded Kane, Trouba and Laine because they were not a good fit or going to sign here long term. I think if you move MS55 and BW26, PLD80 signs long term. And we start the new iteration of the Jets. Who doesn't want a younger, faster, more defensively responsible team? Sure, we have CH37, but what are the win/loss stats when we score less than 2 goals?
BW26 just fell on his sword for the club's dismal performance this year... but had no response for how to change it, other than he hopes there are other guys in the room that want to do better too. Sure, kudos for admitting his role, but is it possible now to remove his "C" and keep him in the room? Isn't it kinder to just move him along to a new opportunity, where he can assume a support role he really can't here?
Some pundits are saying Lowry is the right guy to coach next year. But, he came out and said they are running with their present lineup for the rest of the year, and not "auditioning" players. I'm sorry, but that disqualifies him in my eyes right there. Once you are eliminated, the most important thing you can do is get your young players some NHL level ice time and give them a chance to develop. Draft and develop, right? Here are 4 free games of development where you can give these young guys a chance to show they belong, that they deserve a chance at the next step. What possible good comes from playing BW26, PS25, NS88, DD2, DT21, BD5... he's sitting CH37.. why stop there...
Terrific start, 2-0, with finish on minimal chances while Calmly is playing great in goal
and reality sets in, Com can?t stop everything and the Jets lose again
Yes, EC had another very good game tonight.
Comrie stood on his head... and I think the guys in front started to take that for granted...
Not sure how much BW26's presser factored into the great start, but it sure let up quick.
Not counting the empty netter:
BW26 0g, 0A, -1 2PIM 1SOG
PLD80 1G, 1A, +/-0 2PIM (no PP, co-incedental minors) 2SG
KC81 1G, 0A +/-0 0PIM 3SOG
Silver lining lesson learned this year is that Comrie is a very capable backup. We literally gave up on him in the past but we drafted and developed him into a quality goalie I think. No one expected anything from him yet he impressed. Happy to have him around on a more permanent basis.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 21, 2022, 07:23:39 PM
Yes, you are correct, we draft and develop, mainly because due to our market, we are a hard sell to a lot of players to come here voluntarily.
Yes, MS is a great example of draft and develop, and is on a long term team friendly contract. And he does produce points. But there are big holes in his game that people seem content to overlook due to point production. Is he the best option we have? Is he better than PLD80? I really don't think so. And with only 1 #1C spot available, which would you rather keep? With CP91 champing at the bit, and AL17 in slot 3 and a large number of prospects / veterans for the 4th line, isn't it is good roster management to move an asset at its most valuable when you can?
And BW26 is not moveable on his own, without retaining a lot of his current deal, which is why the package makes sense. Move the younger guy with the attractive contract along with the older guy... and giving them an opportunity to move to a new team that is looking for that final move to make them a contender might be attractive enough for the duo to shelve their NM/NT clauses. Getting back a young winger and some DP/prospects opens up the vault for PLD80 and maybe a vet FA that fits well.
Draft and develop only works if you can move on from parts that didn't work out... we traded Kane, Trouba and Laine because they were not a good fit or going to sign here long term. I think if you move MS55 and BW26, PLD80 signs long term. And we start the new iteration of the Jets. Who doesn't want a younger, faster, more defensively responsible team? Sure, we have CH37, but what are the win/loss stats when we score less than 2 goals?
BW26 just fell on his sword for the club's dismal performance this year... but had no response for how to change it, other than he hopes there are other guys in the room that want to do better too. Sure, kudos for admitting his role, but is it possible now to remove his "C" and keep him in the room? Isn't it kinder to just move him along to a new opportunity, where he can assume a support role he really can't here?
Some pundits are saying Lowry is the right guy to coach next year. But, he came out and said they are running with their present lineup for the rest of the year, and not "auditioning" players. I'm sorry, but that disqualifies him in my eyes right there. Once you are eliminated, the most important thing you can do is get your young players some NHL level ice time and give them a chance to develop. Draft and develop, right? Here are 4 free games of development where you can give these young guys a chance to show they belong, that they deserve a chance at the next step. What possible good comes from playing BW26, PS25, NS88, DD2, DT21, BD5... he's sitting CH37.. why stop there...
The above commentary is what an echo chamber looks like.
What I find interesting is how you listed the +/- of basically the entire team but fail to see the glaringly obvious trend or how the team's issues go beyond two players for whom you have an obvious and irrational dislike. You're either failing or refusing to see the bigger picture here and it's clouding your ability to look at the situation objectively and irrespective of several other factors that led to this season being a failure for the team.
At this moment in time, Scheifele is better than Dubois. It's not up for debate and the statistics bear out that fact: https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1 (https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1)
Even this season, Scheifele was the more productive forward. The statistics - again - bear out that fact.
You can even compare them on equal terms (first five seasons) and see Scheifele being the better player over that time:
Scheifele: 355 GP, 112 G, 174 A, 286 P, +73, 15.0 S%, 18:59 ATOI, 45.0 FO%
Dubois: 357 GP, 101 G, 136 A, 237 P, +6, 12.6 S%, 17:27 ATOI, 44.7 FO%
Also, it's not an either or in terms of which should be kept and it never was at any point. That's a false narrative you've created and it has no basis in reality.
Scheifele and Wheeler are going nowhere and your trade suggestion brimming with horrendously bad ideas to "make it work" will not happen.
Dubois re-signing has nothing to do with Scheifele or Wheeler's contracts. This is another false narrative you've created. How his re-signing shakes out is between him and management.
Wheeler holds himself accountable for the season being a failure - something a captain should do - and you still manage to crap on him. Also, it's neither his responsibility nor his place right now to tell anyone what needs to be changed. That's up to management and the organization in the off-season. Players play.
He's not losing his captaincy because the team failed to make the post-season. Imagine the optics of an organization demoting the team's captain after he struggled with injuries and getting COVID-19 but still finished 4th in team scoring.
I'm not sure what hockey pundits you follow but I've yet to come across any claiming Lowry is the right coach going forward. It's plain as day to anyone in the game he's not the answer, so you should probably find new and better pundits to follow.
Quote from: blue_or_die on April 22, 2022, 03:49:07 PM
Silver lining lesson learned this year is that Comrie is a very capable backup. We literally gave up on him in the past but we drafted and developed him into a quality goalie I think. No one expected anything from him yet he impressed. Happy to have him around on a more permanent basis.
Goaltending is a strength for this team right now, IMO. Hellebuyck and Comrie make a very good tandem going forward. It'd be nice to see the latter take on more games next season.
Now that the Jets are officially out, it should be time to evaluate some of the younger players and prepare for fixing the issues with the team.
Again, no irrational dislike for MS55 or BW26. They are talented players, but have been the leadership core for this team and have dropped the ball. Quoting MS55's stats from 5 years ago don't factor into a "what have you doe from me lately" league.
Every player's contract is related to every other players contract in some way. If PLD80 is OK with sharing the spotlight with MS55, that's pretty dynamite, sure. And by the time CP91 has an opportunity to shop the market, space will have opened up, no doubt. In the meantime, we lose AC9... who is now showing what a lot of people saw in him. Some here commented that he wasn't a #2C worth even $4mil, looks like he's gonna more than that, easily. And be a solid #2C.
What do you do with MS55, PLD80, CP91, AL17, JH12, MB36, ME23, DG19 and CJS25? The first three are all top 2C, #1C potential, AL17 is solid #3 who can move up when needed, and the last 5 are all capable NHL #4's who could move up as well. From a stats point, does losing MS55's points for outweigh his points against? There is a logic there... but the main one being:
The team has stalled, and even reverted. We were on an upswing, and have added more talent than lost, and had diminishing results. Changing the management and coaching, but keeping the same core (that are frustrated, even BW26 is...) is saddling the new management and coaches with a dynamic that has proven it is broken.
The team has a lot of unselfish players, who have signed deals to stay here, including MS55... but this team is not greater than its parts right now. Sure, "an off season" is the excuse this year, and COVID last year... what might it be next year?
Ticket sales are bottoming out, something needs to be done to bring back excitement. Moving MS55 and BW26, and then bringing in a new leader, maybe a Toews, as a bridge to the new guys might accomplish a lot from a marketing perspective too. Last year, I would never have suggested trading MS55 or BW26, it would be talent and marketing suicide. But I do not think those players have the cachet they had last year. MS55's "identity" comment, however misunderstood, cost him followers. This season's results are a black mark on the "C".
I just think it is better for everyone, MS55 and BW26 included, to start fresh...
Quote from: Pigskin on April 22, 2022, 08:36:30 PM
You just keep repeating the some old BS over and over and over again. Did you paste and copy this from last week.
Didn't you notice I added in marketing this time? More reason for change? ;)
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 10:21:33 PM
Didn't you notice I added in marketing this time? More reason for change? ;)
Your marketing idea, is the same idea as you had last week. Trading for JT19 is a very bad idea.
The mental gymnastics are astonishing. They're riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Again, no irrational dislike for MS55 or BW26. They are talented players, but have been the leadership core for this team and have dropped the ball.
You've spent the majority of the season crapping on almost every aspect of their game, peddling this absurd narrative they're the two players responsible for the team's failings, whilst making excuses for other players (Dubois, Connor, Morrissey, etc.) guilty of the same issues. There is zero objectivity in your views when you display favoritism based on nothing substantial when there is a consistent problem across the roster, regardless of who's got a letter on his jersey.
What's particularly noteworthy is how you praised Dubois for calling out his team the other night, gushing over his "leadership" qualities in doing so, but lambasted Scheifele when he made similar remarks earlier in the season, lamenting his lack of leadership in doing so. That's another self-own.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Quoting MS55's stats from 5 years ago don't factor into a "what have you doe from me lately" league.
Thanks for proving my point regarding your fanboyish bias. You've claimed Dubois is the better player (and leader) numerous times. Statistics - and your own contradiction - fly in the face of your audacious claim. By looking at cumulative statistics over a broadened time frame, you can better evaluate players when comparing them objectively. It's not rocket appliances.
And I did point out how Scheifele has been the more productive forward
this season, so read it again:
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 22, 2022, 06:45:40 PM
At this moment in time, Scheifele is better than Dubois. It's not up for debate and the statistics bear out that fact: https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1 (https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=duboipi01&player_id1=scheima01&sum=0&request=1)
Even this season, Scheifele was the more productive forward. The statistics - again - bear out that fact.
You can even compare them on equal terms (first five seasons) and see Scheifele being the better player over that time:
Scheifele: 355 GP, 112 G, 174 A, 286 P, +73, 15.0 S%, 18:59 ATOI, 45.0 FO%
Dubois: 357 GP, 101 G, 136 A, 237 P, +6, 12.6 S%, 17:27 ATOI, 44.7 FO%
Also, it's not an either or in terms of which should be kept and it never was at any point. That's a false narrative you've created and it has no basis in reality.
It's right there in bold. But let's take a look at the numbers because, as you pointed out,
what have you done for me lately:
Scheifele (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/scheima01.html (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/scheima01.html)): 67 GP, 29 G, 41 A, 70 P (1.04 PPG), -17, 18.2 S%, 21:08 ATOI, 50.7 FO%
Dubois (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/duboipi01.html (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/duboipi01.html)): 77 GP, 27 G, 31 A, 58 P (0.75 PPG), -8, 11.9 S%, 19:01 ATOI, 47.1 FO%
The only stat in your "favour" is the +/- but we both know that's a piddly argument when you consider both are in the minus (and again speaks to a broader issue with the team itself and not just individual players). FWIW, Dubois is on pace for career season, which bodes well for him and the team, not to mention his contract aspirations. But to suggest he's better than Scheifele is patently false.
What have you done for me lately, indeed.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Every player's contract is related to every other players contract in some way. If PLD80 is OK with sharing the spotlight with MS55, that's pretty dynamite, sure. And by the time CP91 has an opportunity to shop the market, space will have opened up, no doubt. In the meantime, we lose AC9... who is now showing what a lot of people saw in him. Some here commented that he wasn't a #2C worth even $4mil, looks like he's gonna more than that, easily. And be a solid #2C.
What do you do with MS55, PLD80, CP91, AL17, JH12, MB36, ME23, DG19 and CJS25? The first three are all top 2C, #1C potential, AL17 is solid #3 who can move up when needed, and the last 5 are all capable NHL #4's who could move up as well. From a stats point, does losing MS55's points for outweigh his points against? There is a logic there... but the main one being:
The team has stalled, and even reverted. We were on an upswing, and have added more talent than lost, and had diminishing results. Changing the management and coaching, but keeping the same core (that are frustrated, even BW26 is...) is saddling the new management and coaches with a dynamic that has proven it is broken.
The team has a lot of unselfish players, who have signed deals to stay here, including MS55... but this team is not greater than its parts right now. Sure, "an off season" is the excuse this year, and COVID last year... what might it be next year?
Ticket sales are bottoming out, something needs to be done to bring back excitement. Moving MS55 and BW26, and then bringing in a new leader, maybe a Toews, as a bridge to the new guys might accomplish a lot from a marketing perspective too. Last year, I would never have suggested trading MS55 or BW26, it would be talent and marketing suicide. But I do not think those players have the cachet they had last year. MS55's "identity" comment, however misunderstood, cost him followers. This season's results are a black mark on the "C".
I just think it is better for everyone, MS55 and BW26 included, to start fresh...
The only "relation" is how all the players' contracts fit into the team's salary cap. And with Scheifele, who has one of the most cap friendly deals in the entire league, his contract has no bearing on what happens with Dubois' pending free agency. It's not about "sharing a spotlight" or making baseless assumptions about prospects; it's about having a skilled top 6 with two centres leading the charge
right now. Those two players address that need and the Jets are fortunate to have both going forward.
The Jets had a season riddled with COVID issues, significant injuries, postponed games, and a coaching staff whose message became stagnant, leading to inconsistent performances on the ice. But it's not like it was some abject failure where it didn't compete at all. They are projected to miss the playoffs by 10 points or, which in reality, is a difference of a handful of games going the other way. Their five-game skids in November and January are pretty glaring at the moment.
Moreover, it's not like they were a juggernaut last season, the season before, or the season before that. The same deficiencies existed, regardless of the roster. There was no upswing. You can look at the 2019 off-season and see how the loss of talent, especially on the blue line, changed the complexion of this team and the type of game it plays. That wasn't addressed until last off-season, anyway. And even then, it wasn't enough to surmount the other challenges I've already listed. To try and suggest all that's wrong with this team is due to two players is not reasonable at all, and a letter on their jersey being even less reasonable and pretty irrelevant.
Trading away two of team's top scorers doesn't make the roster better, especially if the team has to retain salary for the remainder of each player's contract in order to do so. That's not how one improves a hockey roster and it's "marketing suicide" no matter when or how you slice it. The logistics are nonsensical and the optics would reek of desperation. If anyone at TNSE made that suggestion to management, they'd be laughed out of the room and probably fired.
Trading for Toews wouldn't increase ticket sales. This isn't the CFL. In fact, it'd make the team objectively worse both in terms of roster and salary cap implications.
Your ideas were bad when you first suggested then. You know what's changed since then? Nothing.
This season's results reflect on literally everyone in the organization (management, coaches, players). That's how it works in reality and you don't adequately address widespread issues by singling out individuals. That's why Maurice resigning didn't fix anything or improve the team.
So, a full audit needs to be conducted, but I think it goes without saying the first step in addressing the failures of 2021-22 should be a new coaching staff. The team needs coaches who can implement better systems to address the deficiencies we've seen with this team going back roughly three seasons. But this pseudo-rebuild narrative is utter nonsense; the team doesn't need to be blown up.
Last thing: Copp wasn't going to re-sign here, hence his being treaded at the deadline. You should just accept that.
Players have been traded regularly because they have no place to move into, and therefore no chance of re-signing them.
Trouba, Laine, Copp... all traded because they could not get the minutes or position they needed to stay. Trouba, he had other reasons as well, but Laine and Copp, we moved on from two very good players because of other players on the team.
I'm just saying, addition by subtraction, opening up opportunity for new players (that we know have the ability and potential) to achieve more by removing obstacles above them.
And at the same time, creating a new leadership dynamic to replace the one that has failed to produce any real results.
Guaranteed to get better? Of course not. But will we get better with the current group? Haven't in the last 5 years... change s good.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 23, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Players have been traded regularly because they have no place to move into, and therefore no chance of re-signing them.
Trouba, Laine, Copp... all traded because they could not get the minutes or position they needed to stay. Trouba, he had other reasons as well, but Laine and Copp, we moved on from two very good players because of other players on the team.
I'm just saying, addition by subtraction, opening up opportunity for new players (that we know have the ability and potential) to achieve more by removing obstacles above them.
And at the same time, creating a new leadership dynamic to replace the one that has failed to produce any real results.
Guaranteed to get better? Of course not. But will we get better with the current group? Haven't in the last 5 years... change s good.
Copp also wants $$$$ that the Jets were not willing to pay him.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 23, 2022, 08:12:47 PM
Players have been traded regularly because they have no place to move into, and therefore no chance of re-signing them.
Trouba, Laine, Copp... all traded because they could not get the minutes or position they needed to stay. Trouba, he had other reasons as well, but Laine and Copp, we moved on from two very good players because of other players on the team.
I'm just saying, addition by subtraction, opening up opportunity for new players (that we know have the ability and potential) to achieve more by removing obstacles above them.
And at the same time, creating a new leadership dynamic to replace the one that has failed to produce any real results.
Guaranteed to get better? Of course not. But will we get better with the current group? Haven't in the last 5 years... change s good.
What good are false equivalencies to an already feeble argument rife with inconsistent points and logical fallacies? Your imaginary trade involving two players you don't like anymore has absolutely no correlation to any of those players who are no longer here, much less your revisionist history which seems like nothing more than a sad attempt to put management in a bad light (and probably Scheifele and Wheeler, too - somehow).
1. Trouba was averaging over 22 minutes per game in his final two seasons with this team. The only defenseman getting more ice time than him over that stretch was Byfuglien. Trouba never seemed interested in wanting to stay long term (which is unfortunate because he and Morrissey had solid chemistry as a pairing) and that's sometimes how it shakes out in today's NHL despite the best efforts of the team to retain that player. You can't fault management for that situation and the Jets were able to get Pionk in return.
2. Laine is an interesting situation because the full story never seemed to come to light. He wanted a top line role but struggled with consistency when the opportunities were presented. Bringing up Laine is also somewhat hilarious not only considering you're the biggest fan of who the team got in the trade but also because his being traded didn't negatively affect this team's offensive prowess (Connor has since stepped up and the powerplay has neither improved nor worsened). Cheveldayoff himself admitted last January that he opted to make the trade because getting Dubois would solidify the team down the middle, but at the price of losing a lethal winger. Again, that's sometimes how it goes, so it's a bit disingenuous to claim Laine was traded because of other players on this team. Unless you're the type to believe unfounded rumours and hearsay, but that should have no place in this discussion.
3. Copp is a pending UFA who made no indication he wanted to re-sign here past this season. His playing time steadily increased over the past few seasons and he fit his role extremely well with the Jets. He was a solid top 9 player here. Just so you know, he is averaging less ice team with the Rangers since being traded, so you're wrong to state he was moved because of other players on this team.
There are no obstacles keeping players from realizing their potential on this team and there is plenty of opportunity for the players in this organization. But feel free to substantiate your argument; I'm all ears at this point. I anticipate the details being as entertaining as those in your trade idea where the Jets would be forced to negotiate from a point of weakness, retain salary, and become considerably worse as a team. I'll say it for the last time: you don't improve a roster in the NHL by subtraction.
I won't even entertain the "new leadership dynamic" commentary, as it hinges entirely on a trade that makes absolutely no logical, rational, credible sense whatsoever. I'm also not sure what "real results" haven't been produced outside of this season. The Jets have made the playoffs the last four* seasons, winning three rounds during that time. This isn't Stanley Cup or bust; that's not realistic.
Guaranteed to get worse - immediately. Change for the sake of change alone is not good. Assumptions, what ifs, and conjecture do not change that fact.
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qualifiers in 2020Quote from: Pigskin on April 23, 2022, 09:01:59 PM
Copp also wants $$$$ that the Jets are not willing to pay him.
He's in his prime as a pending UFA and can maximize his value on the market, so the Jets would have been required to pay a premium to retain him. Same as Tanev back in 2019.
Dubois is apparently unhappy with the current situation, and being 2 yrs from UFA, has a lot of control, as expressed on HNIC last night...
Give him the two years of his remaining RFA to put his mark on the team.
Or do you want to trade away another star player? To salve the current leadership group that is aging out, and will probably not be around by the time we get another real shot...
More classically ridiculous commentary. Imagine the misguided belief Scheifele and Morrissey are "aging out"... LMAO :D
Every player is unhappy with not making the playoffs: https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/)
Look at that... Prominent players on this team, regardless of a letter on a jersey, are holding themselves accountable for this failed campaign. It seems, at least from the outside as a fan, as though the players have the right mindset collectively to get things straightened out and get back on track going into next season.
This team has a solid group of players with considerable talent and more than enough to compete for a playoff spot. They need a new coaching staff to guide them, though. That needs to be the first and most important step in the off-season.
Nice move up for Harkins. gets to start on a line with PLD & 81 tonight while Wheels goes up with Stash & the Fly
Hopeing that StanLee & Samberg enjoy terrific games Cheering that HellB can keep it down at 3 or less against
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 24, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
More classically ridiculous commentary. Imagine the misguided belief Scheifele and Morrissey are "aging out"... LMAO :D
Every player is unhappy with not making the playoffs: https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/jets-own-up-to-frustrating-results-in-regular-season-garbage-time/)
Look at that... Prominent players on this team, regardless of a letter on a jersey, are holding themselves accountable for this failed campaign. It seems, at least from the outside as a fan, as though the players have the right mindset collectively to get things straightened out and get back on track going into next season.
This team has a solid group of players with considerable talent and more than enough to compete for a playoff spot. They need a new coaching staff to guide them, though. That needs to be the first and most important step in the off-season.
JM44 is NOT part of the "aging out", and I would never suggest he should be dealt. His game is improving constantly.
BW26 is on the downside, no one will deny that. MS55's offensive numbers are ok, but his defensive game is suffering. Why?
It all starts at the top. If Chevy stays in charge, we can expect a recycled coach and the same team leadership structure. And we will be trading PLD80, and other young assets, who want out...
My point being, if they start at the top, and let the new guys come in and turn the team over to the youth movement, we could see the team on a new path. If MS55 and BW26 can take support roles without letter on their chests, that's great. I just can't see that happening.
A great segment on KC81 improving his D role, including PK. *That* is what this team needs... and the mention that PLD80 has both taken more penalties than anyone else, but also drawn more penalties... and that while taking penalties is an issue, it is better to start from that point and reduce them rather than try to add that edge into his play.
Fantastic team victory ?.. quite possibly the best 3 period effort ?? elevated joy in beating Avs
HellB almost perfect, Harkins & Barron were terrific, Dmen had some good answers & the fans loved it
OK, who tops your list of replacements for Chevy?
Until today, I did not consider this, I know there are plenty of candidates, and probably more than a handful that bear consideration.
Do you recycle an old guard GM?
Do you hire a seasoned vet ex-player who is working his way up the management ladder?
Do you hire a younger guy with some new thinking?
Or, do you consider going way off the books...
In my googlefest, the recent Blackhawks GM search came up, with many articles about their top 5 or 7 candidates being considered, and all talked about a name that the executive search consultants suggested. Toronto Raptors VP Teresa Resch.
Sure, not a "hockey guy". Not even a "guy". But apparently an exceptional mind. The joke around the Raptors organization once Resch?s candidacy was reported was, ?who is going to do all the important jobs now??
I understand why an executive search company might suggest going that far off the board, that organization has a lot of work to do changing its image. Granted, it wasn't sexual assault against women, but still, even the consideration of a female for the top spot is something they can use as positive spin.
But is she a valid candidate to consider? Would Chipman be willing to make history? It sounds like she's a legit executive, would she be able to find her way in the old boys club of the NHL? Would hiring a woman help increase interest in the 51% of the population that is completely un-represented in the sport, and help sagging ticket sales?
I know it won't happen, hockey and Winnipeg are not ready for a female top "guy". But I thought it was an interesting thought. And if it worked,
Quote from: Jockitch on April 25, 2022, 02:53:59 AM
Fantastic team victory ?.. quite possibly the best 3 period effort ?? elevated joy in beating Avs
HellB almost perfect, Harkins & Barron were terrific, Dmen had some good answers & the fans loved it
I thought the Jets played a good game. The Avs have now lost 4 in a row. Looked to me like they have no interest in the rest regular season. Consistency has been our problem all year. Lets see if we stay focused, and played well for the rest of the year.
First time the Avs have lost four in a row all season. Not a great way to go into the post-season.
Fun game to be at last night, especially the final frame. Nice to see Connor crack 45 goals, Wheeler had a good game, and Hellebuyck was solid.
The Jets put on a pretty good show despite having nothing to play for at this point in the season. That's a good sign looking ahead to next season and should squash any mention of this team needing a rebuild.
I?m glad you had a great time, I?m personally not impressed by a meaningless game at the end of the season and don?t think it means anything at all for next year.
Quote from: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 03:39:44 AM
I?m glad you had a great time, if I?m personally not impressed by a meaningless game at the end of the season and don?t think it means anything at all for next year.
If?
I'm simply reiterating things with this team aren't as bad as some have suggested when attempting to justify a rebuild of sorts. The Jets are still competitive and the roster has more than enough talent on it.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 02:23:34 PM
If?
I'm simply reiterating things with this team aren't as bad as some have suggested when attempting to justify a rebuild of sorts. The Jets are still competitive and the roster has more than enough talent on it.
Typo - was on my phone.
Honestly, we don't know how bad this is yet. We're hoping it's a blip, but we are right against the cap with little room to manoeuvre. If things aren't significantly different next season, something will have to give.
Quote from: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 03:31:23 PM
Typo - was on my phone.
Honestly, we don't know how bad this is yet. We're hoping it's a blip, but we are right against the cap with little room to manoeuvre. If things aren't significantly different next season, something will have to give.
The Jets are projected to have more than $16M in cap space in the upcoming off-season: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets)
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 03:37:56 PM
The Jets are projected to have more than $16M in cap space in the upcoming off-season: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/jets)
But how many players do we need to sign with that money?
It's not like we have 16M for upgrades.
Quote from: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 05:51:50 PM
But how many players do we need to sign with that money?
It's not like we have 16M for upgrades.
I'm not following. You said the team's right up against the cap, which isn't true.
The link has all the information as to FAs.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 06:05:00 PM
I'm not following. You said the team's right up against the cap, which isn't true.
The link has all the information as to FAs.
The team is currently right up against the cap - it has limited our ability to call up players this season.
Next season - guys like PLD, Stas, Comrie, etc. Don't have contracts yet, so we have "cap room", but we still have to fill out our roster.
Quote from: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 06:26:52 PM
The team is currently right up against the cap - it has limited our ability to call up players this season.
Next season - guys like PLD, Stas, Comrie, etc. Don't have contracts yet, so we have "cap room", but we still have to fill out our roster.
It's certainly more complicated than that (one-way vs. two-way contracts, waivers exemptions, etc.). What players haven't been called up who should've been, though? The Moose are also gearing up for their post-season.
Dubois is a RFA with arbitration eligibility, so he'll be getting a decent raise (Appleton, Svechnikov, and Harkins are also arbitration eligible but won't be commanding such similar increases). Stastny and Comrie are both UFAs, so how those two shake out remains to be seen. However, $16M or so should be able to cover filling out the roster.
PL80- RFA 5M 2 Year Bridge 7M
PS25- UFA 3.75M 1 year extension 3.75M.
ZS13- UFA 2M. ????
MA22- RFA 900K 2 year 1.5M
ES73 RFA 750K 2 year deal 900K
JH12 RFA 725K 2 year 900K
EC1 UFA 750K 2 year 1.25M
Expiring contracts... either re-sign or replace with FA or prospects:
Dubois (RFA)
Stasny
Sanford
Appleton (RFA)
Svechnikov (RFA)
Harkins (RFA)
Brooks
Comrie
All our D are under contract already.
So, half the $16M goes to Dubois, maybe more if long term, less if bridge.
Comrie will get $1.5 to 2, has shown he's worth that...
the rest of the RFA's are in the 750k - 1.2 mil range... pretty easy to spend to the cap if they pick up even one FA... or re-sign Stasny
I'd like to get rid of one or more of the D pieces if possible.
Samberg needs to be in the line-up.
I don't think we are moving JM44. So it would be either NP4 or NS88, both around 6M per.
Quote from: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 07:19:31 PM
I'd like to get rid of one or more of the D pieces if possible.
Samberg needs to be in the line-up.
The only D movable (without NTC or a letter on his chest or making too much) is Brendan Dillon at 3.9 mil... so, tradeable... the others would probably be hard to trade, but might not clear waivers if you want to take that route... can you put a guy with an M-NTC on waivers?
The D corps sees to be a bit cap heavy, Schmidt has a role outside his play, not sure if that's worth $6mil, and Pionk does have upside. Demelo is a solid M'eh and if he could be moved, i have no problem swapping Dylans in the lineup...
Might see a little movement on or before draft day...
Quote from: Jesse on April 26, 2022, 07:19:31 PM
I'd like to get rid of one or more of the D pieces if possible.
Samberg needs to be in the line-up.
The only way I see that working is via trade. But that would likely have to involve another defenseman coming back, so it'd be wash.
Samberg probably move between the Moose and the Jets unless he can solidify his role with the latter. He's the most flexible in terms of his ELC and being waivers exempt.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 26, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
The only D movable (without NTC or a letter on his chest or making too much) is Brendan Dillon at 3.9 mil... so, tradeable... the others would probably be hard to trade, but might not clear waivers if you want to take that route... can you put a guy with an M-NTC on waivers?
The D corps sees to be a bit cap heavy, Schmidt has a role outside his play, not sure if that's worth $6mil, and Pionk does have upside. Demelo is a solid M'eh and if he could be moved, i have no problem swapping Dylans in the lineup...
Might see a little movement on or before draft day...
Dillon's a known commodity with size and grit (both of which were missing prior his acquisition). What's coming back the other way in a trade?
Movement clauses don't determine whether or not a player can be put on waivers, IIRC. What would putting a player on waivers accomplish in this instance, though?
The blue line accounts for roughly $27M or about a third of the cap. That isn't necessarily cap heavy.
In Cap Friendly under Positional Breakdown ....... the Jets do spend the 5th most amongst teams on their Dmen
Jets definitely need an upgrade on their bottom 6 fwds especially the 4th line ...... but under contract I think the cupboard is not that full
With basically the Moose, IMO, there is only Perfetti at the moment who may get into the Top 6 (perhaps in a couple of years)
Other players like Reichel, Gustafsson & Vesalainen will compete at TC ...... others are getting over 26 yrs already or kind of MEH in offensive numbers
The Moose lineup during the year has been super strong in team Defense with nothing exceptional in SV% from 4 goalies used.
..... plus getting real good offensive #'s from Dmen in Gawanke, Heinola, when there, & Kovacevic who I think will be a strong candidate in TC
Incidently: GM Craig Heisinger has juggled the comings & goings of 45 players with 14 on D, 4 in goal & a crazy 27 fwds
If Chevy is kicked to the curb perhaps Chipman will promote Heisinger
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 26, 2022, 08:20:12 PM
The only way I see that working is via trade. But that would likely have to involve another defenseman coming back, so it'd be wash.
Samberg probably move between the Moose and the Jets unless he can solidify his role with the latter. He's the most flexible in terms of his ELC and being waivers exempt.
Dillon's a known commodity with size and grit (both of which were missing prior his acquisition). What's coming back the other way in a trade?
Movement clauses don't determine whether or not a player can be put on waivers, IIRC. What would putting a player on waivers accomplish in this instance, though?
The blue line accounts for roughly $27M or about a third of the cap. That isn't necessarily cap heavy.
Again, moving players is done by trade (if you can find a trading partner) or finding a way to move on from a player (someone taking them on the waiver wire). It is always preferrable to get something in return, but sometimes you need to give something away to deal an unfavourable contract.
Joel Armia was the cost of dumping a contract. To get rd of Mason's deal, we gave up Armia and 2 DP's (4th and 7th). If we need to make cap space, as well as playing space for Samberg (yes, his ELC waiver exemption is handy, but do you want to yoyo him when he's shown he is ready for primetime?). Moving a Dillon/Dyan to make room for Dylan saves cap space and opens up a development spot.
Samberg has grit, as do many of our current D, and more of our F than before. Grit is not an issue today.
Having the 5th most expensive D in the league, and having people question if it is any good is not solid cap management...
Quote from: theaardvark on April 27, 2022, 04:12:19 PM
Again, moving players is done by trade (if you can find a trading partner) or finding a way to move on from a player (someone taking them on the waiver wire). It is always preferrable to get something in return, but sometimes you need to give something away to deal an unfavourable contract.
Joel Armia was the cost of dumping a contract. To get rd of Mason's deal, we gave up Armia and 2 DP's (4th and 7th). If we need to make cap space, as well as playing space for Samberg (yes, his ELC waiver exemption is handy, but do you want to yoyo him when he's shown he is ready for primetime?). Moving a Dillon/Dyan to make room for Dylan saves cap space and opens up a development spot.
Samberg has grit, as do many of our current D, and more of our F than before. Grit is not an issue today.
Having the 5th most expensive D in the league, and having people question if it is any good is not solid cap management...
Why would we move our most physical D-man (Dillon) with the small group we have? Get rid of a player like NS88 who plays soft, and can't move players in front of our net. Sure he's a moves the puck well, but so does NP4 and JM44.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 27, 2022, 04:12:19 PM
Again, moving players is done by trade (if you can find a trading partner) or finding a way to move on from a player (someone taking them on the waiver wire). It is always preferrable to get something in return, but sometimes you need to give something away to deal an unfavourable contract.
Joel Armia was the cost of dumping a contract. To get rd of Mason's deal, we gave up Armia and 2 DP's (4th and 7th). If we need to make cap space, as well as playing space for Samberg (yes, his ELC waiver exemption is handy, but do you want to yoyo him when he's shown he is ready for primetime?). Moving a Dillon/Dyan to make room for Dylan saves cap space and opens up a development spot.
Samberg has grit, as do many of our current D, and more of our F than before. Grit is not an issue today.
You failed to explain what's resolved by trading a player like Dillon (whether one feels the need to "dump" his contract or not) but at least you're willing to admit it's contingent on finding a trade partner. You also failed to explain how placing a defenseman on waivers accomplishes anything, especially if he clears and gets sent to the minors.
With regard to Mason, it's more complicated than you've made it out to be. Hellebuyck was due a substantial raise in the 2018 off-season after a career campaign in which he set multiple franchise and league records, so having Mason's $4.1M cap hit off the books helped facilitate that new contract (the Canadiens were then on the hook for his buyout for the next two seasons). The Jets then acquired Brossoit as a UFA to take Mason's place. Armia was but one piece of that equation - and a depth piece, at that. But how does any of that relate to whatever it is you're proposing here to improve the team's roster by deleting from the blue line? Who's the cost of dumping a contract this time around? Moreover, it's not like Dillon or Schmidt have short terms left on their contracts, so the comparison to Mason seems pretty unfounded.
You don't improve a roster by simply getting rid of experienced players without suitable replacements, and you also don't just "open up a development spot" on the Jets' roster for the sake of doing so; that's what the AHL is for. If Samberg is ready to take the next step, then he'll get a roster spot with the big club (FWIW, he's played all of 12 games in the NHL) and earn his keep. Same goes for any young prospect in the organization (Heinola, Lundmark, Chisholm, etc.). That's how the development process works and why the ELC exemptions are beneficial in that regard.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 27, 2022, 04:12:19 PM
Having the 5th most expensive D in the league, and having people question if it is any good is not solid cap management...
This statement above is a logical fallacy.
The Blues spend roughly as much on their blue line as the Jets do, but they're in the playoffs (the Avs and the Wild spend similar amounts and are, too). Conversely, the Kings spend the least of any NHL team on their blue line (18.4%) and they're in the playoffs. The Florida Panthers are the best team in the NHL but they're 27th in blue line spending (19.2%).
Correlation does not imply causation. You're either failing to grasp the complexities of cap management in the NHL or you're trivializing things due to bias. Possibly both.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 27, 2022, 04:29:23 PM
Why would we move our most physical D-man (Dillon) with the small group we have? Get rid of a player like NS88 who plays soft, and can't move players in front of our net. Sure he's a moves the puck well, but so does NP4 and JM44.
Schmidt has a M-NTC he'd have to waive in order to get rid of him. And would getting rid of him solve anything?
Hope that coach Lowry keeps Barron on the line with Appleton & Lowry tonight while sending Sanford on the ice with Tonn & Svech
Comrie in goal with Stanley in the Press Box while 88 gets back into the lineup
Anybody else hear that 55 hasn't even been in town lately ??
Quote from: Jockitch on April 27, 2022, 07:55:16 PM
Hope that coach Lowry keeps Barron on the line with Appleton & Lowry tonight while sending Sanford on the ice with Tonn & Svech
Comrie in goal with Stanley in the Press Box while 88 gets back into the lineup
Anybody else hear that 55 hasn't even been in town lately ??
I saw him at Peavy Mart last week. It also not uncommon for players to leave Winnipeg when there on long term IR. NE27 went back to Denmark when he was injured. CP91 went home to Ontario. MS55 parents live in Ontario, maybe he went for a visit.
Well lets see which Jets team shows up tonight.
Not very consistent play but HORRAY young Comrie was Mr Calmly in net
Love to see KC81 get 50. Like to see PL80 get another PP goal.
Comrie was lights out last night. The Flyers are abysmal but he had a great game.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 28, 2022, 04:47:14 AM
Love to see KC81 get 50. Like to see PL80 get another PP goal.
50 is probably out of reach, but was happy to see him get the Jets goals and points records.
Nice to see players that were drafted here take the records as opposed to former Thrashers.
Good write-up by Wiebe: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/)
Plenty of question marks heading into this unfortunately early off-season.
Looks like the Jets also signed their 2021 first round pick, C Chaz Lucius, to an entry level contract yesterday: https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-chaz-lucius-1.1791879 (https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-chaz-lucius-1.1791879)
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 28, 2022, 03:09:07 PM
Good write-up by Wiebe: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-dillon-finds-little-consolation-in-theres-always-next-year/)
Plenty of question marks heading into this unfortunately early off-season.
NP4 another player taking responsibility for his poor performance this year. CP91 knows he needs to get stronger and faster. He has all the skills, just needs the strength, and a little more quickness.
Dennis Beyak announces retirement: https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/ (https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/)
Kinda crummy news. He's been a pretty solid play-by-play announcer.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 28, 2022, 05:24:31 PM
Dennis Beyak announces retirement: https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/ (https://illegalcurve.com/voice-of-the-winnipeg-jets-dennis-beyak-to-retire-at-the-end-of-the-2021-22-season/)
Kinda crummy news. He's been a pretty solid play-by-play announcer.
Not liking this news.
Dennis is the best in the business. Horrible news.
He's the friendly familiar voice you hear from fall to spring during the depths of winter. Every September I'd tune into the start of Jets pre-season and think "oh, there's that voice I missed all summer!"
A real staple of Jets 2.0 and the "feels" I get for this team. Huge, huge loss.
So no Bob for Bomber ball or Dennis for hockey in 2022. So sad but enjoy retirement!!
Well, just another reason to sweep out the entire front office...
Quote from: Jockitch on April 27, 2022, 07:55:16 PM
Anybody else hear that 55 hasn't even been in town lately ??
https://twitter.com/MitchellClinton/status/1520060939558600705 (https://twitter.com/MitchellClinton/status/1520060939558600705)
It doesn't seem like he left.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 29, 2022, 02:33:10 PM
Well, just another reason to sweep out the entire front office...
:D :D
You're silly.
Calgary in tonight. Will be interesting to see who will be in there lineup tonight.
Very slow to match Flames puck management for near the first 1/2 of initial period, and HellB kept them in. Then WOWEE, such a great effort going forth.
Both goalies were having terrific games and so happy that HellB proved a real gamer tonight
Many A-1 scoring chances, especially Jet players, had me thinking this might have been an 8-4 finish
Seattle, who incidentally won 3-0 tonight, will check, check on Sunday so hopefully Jets finish often
So... Jets get to play hockey in May... unfortunately its a make up game...
Just looking at the roster, and wondering how we got so unbalanced, left and right...
On the roster, we have 1 RW listed (BW26)
We have 2 RH D (Np4, DD2)
We have 3 RH skaters (MA22, MS55, BW26)
What kind of GM hands a coach that unbalanced a lineup? If they don't re-sign MA22 and trade MS55 and BW26 (chuckle), no RH skaters left...
Having that many players playing off their natural position... yikes... and RH shots on the PP, have to wonder if that's why NP4 is on the PP...
^ This weird narrative of yours that nobody serious in the hockey world shares is bordering on trolling at this point
and that?s a wrap for the 2021-22 campaign. Disappointing to be sure and the org needs to figure out how to right the ship. Still always somber when the season ends regardless of the result. On to 2022-23!
Thanks for the first 11 years of Jets 2.0, Dennis. You are a class act and the best in the business!
I can't believe that your just figuring out our lack of RW, and players in general that shot right.
Really is a wrenching reality of missing the playoffs for all involved including we, the fans
Happy at least to see the comeback & win by a goal today. Well done Comrie, Wheels, Harkins, Barrron & of course the great #81.
Nice 4 game win streak to end the season
Beyak heard some heartfelt words from many and then graced our ears with a very nice going away gift
MS55 is done - aards was correct.
I still say Chevy needs to go - need a new vision, need a new plan.
It will be a long time before I pay to see the Jets.
Wow... wondering if Chevy can get Laine value for MS55... He's on a team friendly contract...
A top 6 RW would be nice, a top RW optimal, if not a top RW, then a 2nd RW and dp / prospect...
Quote from: The Zipp on May 02, 2022, 12:31:34 AM
MS55 is done - aards was correct.
I still say Chevy needs to go - need a new vision, need a new plan.
It will be a long time before I pay to see the Jets.
Chevy has been signed to an extension.
Quote from: Jesse on May 02, 2022, 02:16:47 AM
Chevy has been signed to an extension.
Yah. Saw that last night. Mistake IMO.
Am I missing some gossip or fact to do with ?MS55 is done? ?
Someone please clarify if their is a confirmation or just ?wishing and hoping ? ?? thanks
If Chevy gets a three year extension, then I guess we won't see a lot of change... but it was interesting to see the Jets fans in my social media feeds all doing a 180 on MS55 after his new comments about "doing what's best for me", and "I'm in the prime of my career"... both smack of "team first"... NOT!
If you are looking for new scenery, the best way to let your GM make a deal for you is broadcast it that you want out. Drive the price way down, put your GM in a no win, thanks.Let everyone know you need to be moved before the season...
BW26 has made a very solid turn around since the comments made earlier, and I'm good with him not getting moved. He can either wear the "C" as PLD80 works with an "A" towards the "C". Or, can take the support role of an "A" behind PLD80 with the "C". Whether it was post covid blah's, Maurice withdrawl or dealing with MS55's pending departure (you have to think the room knew this a while ago), I think he has turned a corner. The last few games, he's been pretty darned good, Stashny might be worth resigning after all, keeping 26, 25, 27 together might be a good fit. NE27 has looked magical out there, reminds me of Burmistrov but good. The way he skates on the periphery and then sees a hole in the D and dives in like a hawk to the net, draws everyone in, and makes a no-look pass on the tape, amazing.
Need a top notch RW back for MS55.. someone that can play with PLD80 and KC81. Top two lines of 81,80, x and 25, 26, 27 would be an awesome
Quote from: Jockitch on May 02, 2022, 02:59:15 PM
Am I missing some gossip or fact to do with ?MS55 is done? ?
Someone please clarify if their is a confirmation or just ?wishing and hoping ? ?? thanks
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-have-to-determine-mark-scheifeles-future-ahead-of-critical-off-season/
?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.
?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?
WINNIPEG ? The intensity of the organizational audit is about to ramp up exponentially, but the individual conducting the internal investigation is going nowhere.
Although there has yet to be a formal announcement, Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff has been given a three-year contract extension to continue to run the hockey team.
Thanks to a 4-3 win over the Seattle Kraken on Sunday afternoon, the Jets have officially entered what could be the most important off-season in franchise history.
With a record of 39-32-11, the Jets finished in sixth place in the Central Division, missing the playoffs eight points behind the Nashville Predators for the second and final wild-card berth in the Western Conference.
Cheveldayoff is the only GM the Jets have known since the franchise relocated to Winnipeg in 2011 and he?s got some important decisions to make as it pertains to the direction of the hockey club and its roster composition.
'I just have to understand where this team is going' Scheifele mulls future with Jets
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Near the top of that list of priorities is determining the future of centre Mark Scheifele.
Scheifele missed the final nine games of the season with a shoulder injury but he finished second in team scoring with 29 goals and 70 points - marking the sixth consecutive campaign that he?s been a point-per-game player.
But with only two years left on his current contract (which carries an average annual value of $6.125 million) and some concerns being raised about his level of defensive play, it?s possible that the Jets will be entertaining trade offers for Scheifele, who will have no shortage of suitors if he ends up being available.
Scheifele spoke to reporters for the first time since suffering the injury after taking a hit from Ottawa Senators forward Parker Kelly on April 10 and he sounded like a guy who was unclear about whether or not he will be sticking around.
?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.
?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?
The timing of the injury meant Scheifele had already taken some time for careful reflection and he shared some of those thoughts about the need to turn the page.
?It?s one of those years you look back on and some of it?s a blur and some of it?s really clear. It?s definitely a year I?ll try to forget a little bit,? said Scheifele. ?It was a tough one, from a lot of things, COVID, injuries, coach leaving, a new coach coming in, all that stuff. Olympics, yeah, I?d forgotten about that already. It?s one of those years where it sucked, it was a crappy ending. But like I said before you can?t dwell on it too long, you have to reflect and think about the good and the bad and the ugly and come back better next year.?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1521130754188754945
Quote from: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 03:12:01 PM
If Chevy gets a three year extension, then I guess we won't see a lot of change... but it was interesting to see the Jets fans in my social media feeds all doing a 180 on MS55 after his new comments about "doing what's best for me", and "I'm in the prime of my career"... both smack of "team first"... NOT!
If you are looking for new scenery, the best way to let your GM make a deal for you is broadcast it that you want out. Drive the price way down, put your GM in a no win, thanks.Let everyone know you need to be moved before the season...
BW26 has made a very solid turn around since the comments made earlier, and I'm good with him not getting moved. He can either wear the "C" as PLD80 works with an "A" towards the "C". Or, can take the support role of an "A" behind PLD80 with the "C". Whether it was post covid blah's, Maurice withdrawl or dealing with MS55's pending departure (you have to think the room knew this a while ago), I think he has turned a corner. The last few games, he's been pretty darned good, Stashny might be worth resigning after all, keeping 26, 25, 27 together might be a good fit. NE27 has looked magical out there, reminds me of Burmistrov but good. The way he skates on the periphery and then sees a hole in the D and dives in like a hawk to the net, draws everyone in, and makes a no-look pass on the tape, amazing.
Need a top notch RW back for MS55.. someone that can play with PLD80 and KC81. Top two lines of 81,80, x and 25, 26, 27 would be an awesome
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-have-to-determine-mark-scheifeles-future-ahead-of-critical-off-season/
?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.
?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?
WINNIPEG ? The intensity of the organizational audit is about to ramp up exponentially, but the individual conducting the internal investigation is going nowhere.
Although there has yet to be a formal announcement, Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff has been given a three-year contract extension to continue to run the hockey team.
Thanks to a 4-3 win over the Seattle Kraken on Sunday afternoon, the Jets have officially entered what could be the most important off-season in franchise history.
With a record of 39-32-11, the Jets finished in sixth place in the Central Division, missing the playoffs eight points behind the Nashville Predators for the second and final wild-card berth in the Western Conference.
Cheveldayoff is the only GM the Jets have known since the franchise relocated to Winnipeg in 2011 and he?s got some important decisions to make as it pertains to the direction of the hockey club and its roster composition.
'I just have to understand where this team is going' Scheifele mulls future with Jets
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Near the top of that list of priorities is determining the future of centre Mark Scheifele.
Scheifele missed the final nine games of the season with a shoulder injury but he finished second in team scoring with 29 goals and 70 points - marking the sixth consecutive campaign that he?s been a point-per-game player.
But with only two years left on his current contract (which carries an average annual value of $6.125 million) and some concerns being raised about his level of defensive play, it?s possible that the Jets will be entertaining trade offers for Scheifele, who will have no shortage of suitors if he ends up being available.
Scheifele spoke to reporters for the first time since suffering the injury after taking a hit from Ottawa Senators forward Parker Kelly on April 10 and he sounded like a guy who was unclear about whether or not he will be sticking around.
?I'd love to be in Winnipeg, but I also have to see where this is all going and what direction this team is going in and I guess we'll see this summer,? said Scheifele. ?I?m in the prime of my career. I still have so much to improve on too and I like where my game is at. I like the physical nature that my body is at. I?m only improving, I?m only getting better and I?m only going to be a better player next year than I was this year.
?I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any. I have to think about my career and what?s going to be best for me. Those are going to be?talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.?
The timing of the injury meant Scheifele had already taken some time for careful reflection and he shared some of those thoughts about the need to turn the page.
?It?s one of those years you look back on and some of it?s a blur and some of it?s really clear. It?s definitely a year I?ll try to forget a little bit,? said Scheifele. ?It was a tough one, from a lot of things, COVID, injuries, coach leaving, a new coach coming in, all that stuff. Olympics, yeah, I?d forgotten about that already. It?s one of those years where it sucked, it was a crappy ending. But like I said before you can?t dwell on it too long, you have to reflect and think about the good and the bad and the ugly and come back better next year.?
Man your up and down and all over the map. Get rid of BW26, kept him. He's done, no he's not.
AL17 or CP91 are 2nd. line C. Now kept PS25 play him with 26/27. Now AL17 and CP91 are not 2nd. line C.
Get rid of Chevy, we have no RW, really we haven't had any since we traded PL29, and JR.
Shortly after asking about MS55 , took the time to find that short clip of his comments after the game
Certainly a young man who might think he?s been slighted by organization pieces
Is there a big chance that his ego wants it his way. Is this a Rodgers personality in a Jet uni ?
Is he disturbed by the success of PLD and the potentially big bump in $$ for Dubois ?
Quote from: Jockitch on May 02, 2022, 03:55:36 PM
Shortly after asking about MS55 , took the time to find that short clip of his comments after the game
Certainly a young man who might think he?s been slighted by organization pieces
Is there a big chance that his ego wants it his way. Is this a Rodgers personality in a Jet uni ?
Is he disturbed by the success of PLD and the potentially big bump in $$ for Dubois ?
There is no doubt in my mind that Dubois will get the same or more money as MS55 in a bridge, and BW26 money in a max term deal, either way, MS55 will be slighted. That will make MS55 the defacto "1b"C... and defiantly not the shiny new toy he once was...
The mental gymnastics in this thread lately are just embarrassing to see.
Looks like Lowry, Kompon, and Huddy are gone. Only Flaherty will remain on the coaching staff.
Now to find some proper coaches.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 04:34:47 PM
The mental gymnastics in this thread lately are just embarrassing to see.
Things change, dynamics change, players get injured, get slighted, and get healthy...
The last handful of games saw BW26 really take flight, especially with PS25 and NE27. They have really meshed, and I would love to see that dynamic into next year by signing PS25 for another year. Gives CP91 a year to mature, either filling in for injury, or taking the wing with KC81 and PLD80.
I was done with MS55 after identitygate, but this me-me-me statement really got my goat. Of course, every player has to do what is best for themselves, that is a given. But throwing the whole organization under the bus, well...
Coaching staff will be tough, I hope Chevy doesn't miss out on an opportunity here. I have no idea who is out there, or who would fit, or who is going to be available after the playoffs (Does Toronto make a change after getting swept in 4?), but that should be a focus of the team right now. Lowry, Kompon and Huddy have been m'eh at best, definitely not getting the most out of our players. No doubt a clean slate and a new coaching style from the ground up will be welcomed by the players. Flaherty has been solid in working with the goalers, and I don't think any new coach will have an issue bringing him into their group.
The cap and team dynamic will be OK going forward with BW26, I've changed my mind on that. But MS55 has played his last game as a Jet as far as I can tell, I just hope he hasn't killed Chevy's ability to get something good in return for him... like he did for Laine...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 05:12:35 PM
Things change, dynamics change, players get injured, get slighted, and get healthy...
The last handful of games saw BW26 really take flight, especially with PS25 and NE27. They have really meshed, and I would love to see that dynamic into next year by signing PS25 for another year. Gives CP91 a year to mature, either filling in for injury, or taking the wing with KC81 and PLD80.
I was done with MS55 after identitygate, but this me-me-me statement really got my goat. Of course, every player has to do what is best for themselves, that is a given. But throwing the whole organization under the bus, well...
Coaching staff will be tough, I hope Chevy doesn't miss out on an opportunity here. I have no idea who is out there, or who would fit, or who is going to be available after the playoffs (Does Toronto make a change after getting swept in 4?), but that should be a focus of the team right now. Lowry, Kompon and Huddy have been m'eh at best, definitely not getting the most out of our players. No doubt a clean slate and a new coaching style from the ground up will be welcomed by the players. Flaherty has been solid in working with the goalers, and I don't think any new coach will have an issue bringing him into their group.
The cap and team dynamic will be OK going forward with BW26, I've changed my mind on that. But MS55 has played his last game as a Jet as far as I can tell, I just hope he hasn't killed Chevy's ability to get something good in return for him... like he did for Laine...
Aaaaaaaand what a shocker. More mental gymnastics.
Scheifele answered questions from the media. He answered them candidly and honestly. He never threw anyone under the bus. He never made it all about him. He even mentioned how he needs to improve his game. He wants to know the direction of where this team is headed vis a vis his own aspirations and future in the league. Leave it loathsome, crusty, ignorant fans to crap all over him for that, twist his words, and spew obvious fabrications about him and his character. The narrative never changes.
Weird how other players have spoken in similar tones recently and were conversely admired for their candour. That's just bias at play and it's a pretty bad look for any fanbase to pick and choose in such subjective, sometimes homerish, ways.
Despite his successful offensive production, consistent with previous seasons, Scheifele has become this season's fall guy in Jetsville. Last year, it was Hellebuyck. The year before that, Wheeler. It's the same garbage regardless of how the team performs.
It's easy to fixate on an individual and point fingers at him, especially behind a screen. It does nothing for an argument in terms of how to improve an entire team, though.
And don't lie. You were done with Scheifele long before any of those "indentity" comments he made. Best part: he wasn't wrong. At all.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 05:32:57 PM
Aaaaaaaand what a shocker. More mental gymnastics.
Scheifele answered questions from the media. He answered them candidly and honestly. He never threw anyone under the bus. He never made it all about him. He even mentioned how he needs to improve his game. He wants to know the direction of where this team is headed vis a vis his own aspirations and future in the league. Leave it loathsome, crusty, ignorant fans to crap all over him for that, twist his words, and spew obvious fabrications about him and his character. The narrative never changes.
Weird how other players have spoken in similar tones recently and were conversely admired for their candour. That's just bias at play and it's a pretty bad look for any fanbase to pick and choose in such subjective, sometimes homerish, ways.
Despite his successful offensive production, consistent with previous seasons, Scheifele has become this season's fall guy in Jetsville. Last year, it was Hellebuyck. The year before that, Wheeler. It's the same garbage regardless of how the team performs.
It's easy to fixate on an individual and point fingers at him, especially behind a screen. It does nothing for an argument in terms of how to improve an entire team, though.
And don't lie. You were done with Scheifele long before any of those "indentity" comments he made. Best part: he wasn't wrong. At all.
I think you're going too far in the opposite direction.
There have been multiple players publically calling out teammates for playing for themselves and not as part of a system. Something is wrong and there are certain players who have been noticed by their peers.
I would arge that MS comments were all about him. Went out of his way to say he was happy with his game (responding to unspoken criticism). I was not a fan of how he spoke - thought I recognize that he simply wants to be a part of a contending team at this point of his career and probably just doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild - if that's where our team was headed.
Quote from: Jesse on May 02, 2022, 05:38:24 PM
I think you're going too far in the opposite direction.
There have been multiple players publically calling out teammates for playing for themselves and not as part of a system. Something is wrong and there are certain players who have been noticed by their peers.
I would arge that MS comments were all about him. Went out of his way to say he was happy with his game (responding to unspoken criticism). I was not a fan of how he spoke - thought I recognize that he simply wants to be a part of a contending team at this point of his career and probably just doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild - if that's where our team was headed.
How so?
On the one hand, players have made accusations but fans and the media are left to fill in the gaps. Considering how Scheifele has been a target of both for a while now, the comments can be open to interpretation at either end of the spectrum here.
Considering the questions posed, I'm not sure what else he could've said to make his answers more palatable to those who appear to dislike him and want to single him out as some problem child on the team who should be traded immediately.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 02, 2022, 04:40:06 PM
Looks like Lowry, Kompon, and Huddy are gone. Only Flaherty will remain on the coaching staff.
Now to find some proper coaches.
Defensively this team just wasn't good enough. We needed to make this change.
MS55 is "happy" with his game, but says he is improving... but his stats do not show that... nor his current attitude.
Wants to see where the team is heading... so people say he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild... but with the parts in place, from CH37 to KC81, the top end of the team is there, so "rebuild" is not a consideration. When your top D, and your top 2 lines, and top goaler are all set for the next year, how is there even discussion of "rebuild".
His real concern about "heading" is the relationship between his status and that of PLD80. THAT is a "direction" issue that concerns MS55. PLD80 is the first C on this team to threaten MS55's top dog position. Until we have a new coaching staff in place, we won't know where MS55 fits into the hierarchy. But that might be too late to get full value dealing him... especially if he gets disgruntled and demands a trade, cutting Chevy's legs out in dealing him.
Move him now, get a top RH D or a top RW plus DP/prospects and we're on to the next phase. I was worried about BW26, but he has won me back. He either is over COVID or just found his spot with PS25 and NE27... regardless, he's back. Removing MS55 might be better for him as well...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 07:43:33 PM
MS55 is "happy" with his game, but says he is improving... but his stats do not show that... nor his current attitude.
Wants to see where the team is heading... so people say he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild... but with the parts in place, from CH37 to KC81, the top end of the team is there, so "rebuild" is not a consideration. When your top D, and your top 2 lines, and top goaler are all set for the next year, how is there even discussion of "rebuild".
His real concern about "heading" is the relationship between his status and that of PLD80. THAT is a "direction" issue that concerns MS55. PLD80 is the first C on this team to threaten MS55's top dog position. Until we have a new coaching staff in place, we won't know where MS55 fits into the hierarchy. But that might be too late to get full value dealing him... especially if he gets disgruntled and demands a trade, cutting Chevy's legs out in dealing him.
Move him now, get a top RH D or a top RW plus DP/prospects and we're on to the next phase. I was worried about BW26, but he has won me back. He either is over COVID or just found his spot with PS25 and NE27... regardless, he's back. Removing MS55 might be better for him as well...
Just want to clarify for the public that this is pure speculation
Quote from: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 07:43:33 PM
MS55 is "happy" with his game, but says he is improving... but his stats do not show that...
Being happy with one's game (
being more than a PPG forward) while acknowledging there's room for improvement are not mutually exclusive statements. The only stat in favour of your lame argument is +/- while you willfully ignore other players (Dubois, Connor, Morrissey) whose +/- stats don't flatter their defensive game, either. But we all know +/- is a junk stat by which to evaluate players and the only real takeaway is that there's a team issue when the majority of its top players are in the minus.
The rest of your commentary is just conjecture based on your dislike of him, both as a player and a person.
Dubois hasn't threatened anything, either. The stats bear out that reality and fly in the face of your exhausting narrative where you prattle on with the same points that go absolutely nowhere and sully this thread.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 07:43:33 PM
I was worried about BW26, but he has won me back.
LOL
You're not fooling anyone with this disingenuous remark.
Quote from: blue_or_die on May 02, 2022, 07:50:47 PM
Just want to clarify for the public that this is pure speculation
Yup.
Mental gymnastics to justify a biased narrative and nothing more.
Serinvalli ?Jets coaching staff all out?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 02, 2022, 11:21:08 PM
Serinvalli ?Jets coaching staff all out?
Except Flaherty, which makes sense, the goalers haven't been an issue, and any new coach should be able to co-exist with any goaler coach...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 04:12:18 PM
Except Flaherty, which makes sense, the goalers haven't been an issue, and any new coach should be able to co-exist with any goaler coach...
I thought our goalie's for most of the season played very well.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 02, 2022, 04:11:28 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that Dubois will get the same or more money as MS55 in a bridge, and BW26 money in a max term deal, either way, MS55 will be slighted. That will make MS55 the defacto "1b"C... and defiantly not the shiny new toy he once was...
KC81 - 7.1M, MS55 - 6.1M, NE27 - 6M. I am thinking PL80 is going to get 6.5/7M per. Sure it will be more then MS55 and NE27. Both of these contacts have worked out very well for the Jets. So no I don't think either of these players will fell slighted. However if the Jets happened to pay PL80 more then KC81, do you think that would PO KC81.
Does Boudreau get consideration should he shake free?
Quote from: Pigskin on May 03, 2022, 09:51:08 PM
KC81 - 7.1M, MS55 - 6.1M, NE27 - 6M. I am thinking PL80 is going to get 6.5/7M per. Sure it will be more then MS55 and NE27. Both of these contacts have worked out very well for the Jets. So no I don't think either of these players will fell slighted. However if the Jets happened to pay PL80 more then KC81, do you think that would PO KC81.
PLD might bridge at 6.75, but long term its over 8... closer to 9... and of all people, KC81 will be the least concerned about that. But "what's best for me" MS55... well... nuff said.
There are more media reports coming out saying that PL29 wasn't the issue... that it was BW26 and MS55.... guess I'm not alone.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 10:30:57 PM
Does Boudreau get consideration should he shake free?
PLD might bridge at 6.75, but long term its over 8... closer to 9... and of all people, KC81 will be the least concerned about that. But "what's best for me" MS55... well... nuff said.
There are more media reports coming out saying that PL29 wasn't the issue... that it was BW26 and MS55.... guess I'm not alone.
A agree, enough said already. Won't that be nice not to hear you cry about BW26 and MS55.
Lotta real action in moves for the Jets ...... Head coach & staff of assistants will have us waiting each day for this finalization
Currently showing on Cap Friendly for next season;
a need for 1 goalie (Comrie is now unsigned), also 1 Dman as only 6 listed and 7 forward spots of the usual 13 contracts carried
So if we round it out to $64.5M spent already then with the Cap going up a Mill ...... the Jets have $18.M to spend on 9 contracts
So from that $$ what does Dubois get ....... hopefully only $7.M which would leave $11.M to register 8 contracts
Let the fans begin guessing on how to get the math gets done and we field a competitive team
Quote from: Jockitch on May 03, 2022, 10:46:12 PM
Lotta real action in moves for the Jets ...... Head coach & staff of assistants will have us waiting each day for this finalization
Currently showing on Cap Friendly for next season;
a need for 1 goalie (Comrie is now unsigned), also 1 Dman as only 6 listed and 7 forward spots of the usual 13 contracts carried
So if we round it out to $64.5M spent already then with the Cap going up a Mill ...... the Jets have $18.M to spend on 9 contracts
So from that $$ what does Dubois get ....... hopefully only $7.M which would leave $11.M to register 8 contracts
Let the fans begin guessing on how to get the math gets done and we field a competitive team
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I would like to see the Jets do a 2 year bridge deal with PL80 for about 6.5M. This would leave decent money to sign our other FA's. BW26 contract is done in 2 years and then give PL80 the big contract.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 04, 2022, 03:50:40 AM
I would like to see the Jets do a 2 year bridge deal with PL80 for about 6.5M. This would leave decent money to sign our other FA's. BW26 contract is done in 2 years and then give PL80 the big contract.
Problem with that is he will be UFA... and we have zero control over where he signs...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 10:30:57 PM
There are more unfounded media reports rumours coming out saying that PL29 wasn't the issue... that it was BW26 and MS55.... guess I'm not alone.
FTFY
Quote from: theaardvark on May 04, 2022, 06:19:39 AM
Problem with that is he will be UFA... and we have zero control over where he signs...
I can see it being a bridge just because it's a flat cap right now, and neither team or player will want to sign long-term under these conditions. Chevy said they already discussed that part of it.
Quote from: Jesse on May 04, 2022, 02:07:24 PM
I can see it being a bridge just because it's a flat cap right now, and neither team or player will want to sign long-term under these conditions. Chevy said they already discussed that part of it.
A bridge a player can play out of... but as long as you are ready to extend before the bridge ends, and for a premium over what the open market will bring, its better than nothing. A long term deal now assures a player of that pay, regardless cap, injury or circumstance. These are guaranteed contracts, and can be structured favourably for the player. Yes, the player will give up some earning potential. But they gain assurances long term. A long term deal that puts him under contract until he is 31 sets him for life, and still leaves a potential for a final contract at the top of his game.
The key to a long term deal right now is to assure him this is a place he'd like to make home for a long time. That starts at the top, as well as in the room.... Chevy is the most important cog in getting him to stay long term, both in what he says and what he does coming into the draft...
Does PLD80 get offer sheeted? Has Chevy PO'd anyone enough to try?
Any player can get an offer sheet. The likelihood is pretty low considering the compensation, though. And consider it's only happened four times in last decade with only one being successful (not matched) for the offering team: Kotkaniemi in 2021 by the Hurricanes.
I can't see it happening in Dubois' case, which could also depend on his arbitration eligibility.
Barry Trotz is now available.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 02:13:03 PM
Barry Trotz is now available.
And...?
Local, sure... but is he the right motivator for this group?
I am sure a lot of potentials will shake out shortly...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 09, 2022, 04:00:29 PM
And...?
Local, sure... but is he the right motivator for this group?
I am sure a lot of potentials will shake out shortly...
And he'd be the best available coach out there now to address the team's defensive issues.
His being local has nothing to with it. He's a proven winner.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 09, 2022, 04:00:29 PM
And...?
Local, sure... but is he the right motivator for this group?
I am sure a lot of potentials will shake out shortly...
Aards, this is one of the best coaches (if not the best) in the league.
There is going to be massive competition for his services, we just hope we're in the conversation.
He is in a teir above any other candidate who is or will become available.
Quote from: Jesse on May 09, 2022, 04:21:56 PM
Aards, this is one of the best coaches (if not the best) in the league.
There is going to be massive competition for his services, we just hope we're in the conversation.
He is in a teir above any other candidate who is or will become available.
TNSE needs to pull out all the stops to try and get him here, IMO.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/)
I can't think of a better option available to help this roster find a more consistent two-way game and play more responsibly away from the puck.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 09, 2022, 04:55:54 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-should-make-hard-push-to-bring-barry-trotz-home-to-coach/)
I can't think of a better option available to help this roster find a more consistent two-way game and play more responsibly away from the puck.
Unfortunately every team with an opening is going to feel the same way.
Including teams who may not have fired their coach, but may if they can land Trotz.
Would be an excellent coach for the Jets.
So, from what these fans are saying, he will have the choice of postings.
What does WPG need to do to make our landing spot more attractive?
Does he like the type of line up we are icing, are there some parts he really likes, and other he can live without?
Does he like the prospects?
I guess those are the questions...
Looks like Dubois and Lowry will be joining Team Canada at the IIHF WC starting next week: https://www.tsn.ca/matt-barzal-thomas-chabot-2022-canada-men-s-worlds-roster-1.1797253 (https://www.tsn.ca/matt-barzal-thomas-chabot-2022-canada-men-s-worlds-roster-1.1797253)
Nice opportunity for both to get a medal.
Hangar Hockey@hangarhockey
"Worst dressing room they (Eakin and Hayes) have ever been in"
"Two players are above the team"
I wonder which two players... must be Ehlers and Connor...
Winnipeg with the 14th pick in this years draft.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 11, 2022, 03:21:58 PM
Winnipeg with the 14th pick in this years draft.
So, it sounds like everyone is hoping Geekie falls that far... not sure that happens...
We usually do OK with mid first rounders...
KC81 went 17th... JM44 13th...
Imagine sharing a tweet from Hangar Hockey and using it to fuel your dislike of two hockey players. :D
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 12, 2022, 01:35:38 PM
Imagine sharing a tweet from Hangar Hockey and using it to fuel your dislike of two hockey players. :D
Well said
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 12, 2022, 01:35:38 PM
Imagine sharing a tweet from Hangar Hockey and using it to fuel your dislike of two hockey players. :D
A tweet. Did you watch the video? That was what I was referencing...
Fuel my dislike? Two guys that have been in the room suggest it is the worst room in hockey and that two specific players are making it that way.
I get it, one player may have had an axe to grind, but still, is not like they were saying "There's a bit of a tiff in the room". To say "worst room ever" takes a bit.
Now, current players can't say anything.
Departed coaches can't say anything (hard to get a job if you slag your former team).
Reporters have to be careful what they say, not wanting to compromise future access.
So, you have to look to people that have nothing to lose by telling the truth..
Look at how players do after leaving here... Copp, Roslovic, even Laine... heard someone mention Kulikov the other day, is it just bad coaching? Isn't Maurice supposed to be a great coach? Was the room so toxic that he had to quit?
Just saying, there are a lot of questions that need answering, and a lot of fingers pointed in a certain direction. *IF* you can get fair value for him/them, doesn't it make sense to make a change?
My Jets 2.1 centres around PLD80, KC81, NE27, JM44, CH37... Just saying if we give them a clean slate to start from, with a new coaching staff, the opportunity for success is increased. The potential for repeated results is reduced if we take the mantle away from certain players and move it to the *new* core of the team.
JT8 was an untradeable fan fav, AL16, even PL29... but we got fair value for them and the team moved on. We are not going to replace MS55's point production with the player that comes back, but I think the team as a whole may replace them, Moneyball style.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 12, 2022, 04:59:38 PM
A tweet. Did you watch the video? That was what I was referencing...
Fuel my dislike? Two guys that have been in the room suggest it is the worst room in hockey and that two specific players are making it that way.
I get it, one player may have had an axe to grind, but still, is not like they were saying "There's a bit of a tiff in the room". To say "worst room ever" takes a bit.
Now, current players can't say anything.
Departed coaches can't say anything (hard to get a job if you slag your former team).
Reporters have to be careful what they say, not wanting to compromise future access.
So, you have to look to people that have nothing to lose by telling the truth..
Look at how players do after leaving here... Copp, Roslovic, even Laine... heard someone mention Kulikov the other day, is it just bad coaching? Isn't Maurice supposed to be a great coach? Was the room so toxic that he had to quit?
Just saying, there are a lot of questions that need answering, and a lot of fingers pointed in a certain direction. *IF* you can get fair value for him/them, doesn't it make sense to make a change?
My Jets 2.1 centres around PLD80, KC81, NE27, JM44, CH37... Just saying if we give them a clean slate to start from, with a new coaching staff, the opportunity for success is increased. The potential for repeated results is reduced if we take the mantle away from certain players and move it to the *new* core of the team.
JT8 was an untradeable fan fav, AL16, even PL29... but we got fair value for them and the team moved on. We are not going to replace MS55's point production with the player that comes back, but I think the team as a whole may replace them, Moneyball style.
It's always fun to watch you double down based on nothing more than unfounded gossip and rumours on social media that feed your confirmation bias so you can present us with yet another performance of mental gymnastics in this thread.
The video* is garbage just the same as the tweet. James Patrick is connected in the hockey world but he's no insider as far as the NHL goes. He didn't do himself any favours going on that joke of a podcast and name-dropping, anyway. That's a pretty bad look, especially for a WHL coach who seems to have aspirations to return to the NHL.
Hayes hasn't been in the Jets locker room for three years and had no interest staying; he was purely a rental from the get-go. Eakin was here for a cup of coffee nearly two years ago, reportedly didn't even want to come here in the trade, and then reportedly was upset when the Jets didn't offer him a contract in the 2020 off-season. Neither falls under the category of unbiased or reliable, so what's the sense in taking a hyperbolic statement like "worst locker room ever" seriously when you consider the source?
Connor and Morrissey both signed long-term deals in the 2019 off-season (despite RFA status where either could've just opted for the bare minimum). DeMelo re-signed as a UFA in 2020 (four years). Lowry re-signed here as a UFA last year (five years). Stastny re-signed here last year (one year). Schmidt waived his clause to get traded here. Seems a bit incongruent for any and all of that to happen if the locker room is such a toxic place as the rumour mill claims.
How is Copp, Roslovic (?), Laine, or Kulikov (LOL) "doing" since leaving Winnipeg?
- Copp is centering a line with Artemi Panarin, so his offensive production has increased along with his possession metrics. That doesn't prove anything with respect to keeping or trading him, though.
- Roslovic had a career season in GP, G, A, and P, but his possession metrics have remained consistent since he was traded. Are you suggesting the Jets should've kept him?
- Laine's production and possession metrics have remained consistent since he was traded. What are you suggesting here? Dubois is more rounded player, anyway.
- Kulikov... What a reach, man. Unless you're suggesting the Jets need another depth LHD, but that's a laughably bad take.
The last three lines aren't even worth a response.
*
the video has since been taken down :D
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is my opinion that this team has a better chance of moving forward with more than just a coaching change. Speaking of which, when a coach is considering where to sign, to rumours of a toxic locker-room influence that decision? Or does the opportunity to start from scratch with a brand new leadership group sound more attractive?
Quote from: theaardvark on May 12, 2022, 10:09:43 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is my opinion that this team has a better chance of moving forward with more than just a coaching change. Speaking of which, when a coach is considering where to sign, to rumours of a toxic locker-room influence that decision? Or does the opportunity to start from scratch with a brand new leadership group sound more attractive?
And you keep repeating the same thing over, and over again. I thought you said last week you where done, enough said???????
Quote from: Pigskin on May 12, 2022, 10:27:44 PM
And you keep repeating the same thing over, and over again. I thought you said last week you where done, enough said???????
You're right....
I'll let Rod Pederson comment...
The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."
-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 13, 2022, 01:56:56 AM
You're right....
I'll let Rod Pederson comment...
The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."
-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.
Lol
Quote from: theaardvark on May 13, 2022, 01:56:56 AM
You're right....
I'll let Rod Pederson comment...
The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."
-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.
And that's fine if he isn't. The sun will come up the next day. People in Winnipeg will go on with there life. Fine something new to cry about.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 12, 2022, 10:09:43 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is my opinion that this team has a better chance of moving forward with more than just a coaching change. Speaking of which, when a coach is considering where to sign, to rumours of a toxic locker-room influence that decision? Or does the opportunity to start from scratch with a brand new leadership group sound more attractive?
What a deflective copout response.
Your "opinions" are no special than any other fan's. And your being entitled to post them on a forum doesn't mean they can't be scrutinized or challenged by others, anyway. Moreover, what good is sharing opinions that are biased, subjective, and uninformed?
Quote from: theaardvark on May 13, 2022, 01:56:56 AM
You're right....
I'll let Rod Pederson comment...
The Rod Pedersen Show
@RodPedersenShow
"I don't see a Winnipeg Jets lineup next season with Mark Scheifele in it."
-TSN's Darren Dreger on Thursday's RP Show.
It's actually Darren Dreger who commented. And he merely expressed an opinion based on the possibilities surrounding a pretty complex situation. Maybe listen to Dreger's comments in their entirety instead of picking one remark to prop up your feeble arguments on why you think the Jets are better off without Scheifele and need to conduct a rebuild.
Didn't know you're a Pedersen fan now. LMAO :D
Murat Ates has said that, speaking with multiple people - both within the locker room and close to the locker room - that no one sees any malice in Scheifele's comments and recognise the intent behind them - that's he's a veteran player and wants assurances that the team will stay competitive moving forward.
No one wants to waste their prime.
Quote from: Jesse on May 13, 2022, 02:39:27 PM
Murat Ates has said that, speaking with multiple people - both within the locker room and close to the locker room - that no one sees any malice in Scheifele's comments and recognise the intent behind them - that's he's a veteran player and wants assurances that the team will stay competitive moving forward.
No one wants to waste their prime.
Ates is such a beauty. His articles consistently hit the mark and he does his homework with regard to covering the Jets.
His most recent article is no exception: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3300230%2F2022%2F05%2F13%2Fwinnipeg-jets-roster-scheifele%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3300230%2F2022%2F05%2F13%2Fwinnipeg-jets-roster-scheifele%2F)
Ates put together a decent read
I hope someone is sending a bottle of Pepto to Chevy today, hoping the Jets get the Trotz...
Quote from: Jockitch on May 13, 2022, 11:53:05 PM
Ates put together a decent read
Here's another: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F)
I'd love know how his "interview" went today.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 18, 2022, 12:34:12 AM
Here's another: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3317503%2F2022%2F05%2F17%2Fbarry-trotz-winnipeg-jets-nhl-coach%2F)
I'd love know how his "interview" went today.
A friend of a friend of a friend of mine said it's a done deal.
So there's that.
KC81 in the running for the lady Byng. Good Luck KC.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 18, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
KC81 in the running for the lady Byng. Good Luck KC.
Lady Byng AND he backchecks... amazing...
Quote from: Pigskin on May 18, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
KC81 in the running for the lady Byng. Good Luck KC.
He's the obvious winner, imo.
Slavin: 79 Games. 4G/38A PIM 10, +42
Spergeon: 65 Games. 10G/30A PIM 10 +32
Connor: 79 Games. 47G/46A PIM 4 -3
I would have to agree. KC81 has had a great year and should win these award.
Connor should definitely walk away in the voting and win the Bing
Certainly allotta love, from Jet fans, towards the idea of Barry T. taking the helm for the immediate future
Will Chevy move Scheifele for a more checking style Center who he would pencil in 60 points.
Jets can win a lot of games if PLD gets 75 points & next Center 60, Lowry 35 & 4th 20 points
Quote from: Jockitch on May 19, 2022, 10:36:27 AM
Connor should definitely walk away in the voting and win the Bing
Certainly allotta love, from Jet fans, towards the idea of Barry T. taking the helm for the immediate future
Will Chevy move Scheifele for a more checking style Center who he would pencil in 60 points.
Jets can win a lot of games if PLD gets 75 points & next Center 60, Lowry 35 & 4th 20 points
Lots of if's. PL80 at 60 points,-6 this year, and AL17 had 21 points and a +1. Are there any 60 point centers that play better play +D at 6M. Connor had 93 points this year and still was a -3. Is it the players or the system??? New coach, new system.
Quote from: Jockitch on May 19, 2022, 10:36:27 AM
Will Chevy move Scheifele for a more checking style Center who he would pencil in 60 points.
Jets can win a lot of games if PLD gets 75 points & next Center 60, Lowry 35 & 4th 20 points
Who's a "more checking style" centre available who can take the 1C spot? There's also no data to suggest Dubois is ready for that spot, either.
Bold assumption, though. And even bolder of you to assume the Jets win a lot of games next season based on nothing more than point totals down the middle. Scoring hasn't been an issue for this team; it's been defending and preventing scoring against.
Barry T. in Philly today, and it sounds like he will be listening to other offers in the coming week/weeks. Doesn't sound like signing him will happen soon, if at all.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 19, 2022, 10:36:25 PM
Who's a "more checking style" centre available who can take the 1C spot? There's also no data to suggest Dubois is ready for that spot, either.
Bold assumption, though. And even bolder of you to assume the Jets win a lot of games next season based on nothing more than point totals down the middle. Scoring hasn't been an issue for this team; it's been defending and preventing scoring against.
Did you watch last season, or the IIHF tournament? PLD80 is ready for #1C...
One key to trading MS55 is re-signing PS25, which will not be hard to do. AL17, CP91 and a plethora of prospects at C ae champing at the bit to move up. Two years ago, with PL29 instead of PLD80 on the roster, no. But now, it will depend on if the new coach is on board with keeping MS55 or is OK with moving on from him... and I guess it also depends on whether MS55 is on board with the coach they choose... which might not be the case if they land Trotz
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 05:08:42 PM
Did you watch last season, or the IIHF tournament? PLD80 is ready for #1C...
One key to trading MS55 is re-signing PS25, which will not be hard to do. AL17, CP91 and a plethora of prospects at C ae champing at the bit to move up. Two years ago, with PL29 instead of PLD80 on the roster, no. But now, it will depend on if the new coach is on board with keeping MS55 or is OK with moving on from him... and I guess it also depends on whether MS55 is on board with the coach they choose... which might not be the case if they land Trotz
We need more than just PLD. There isn't enough on the team without him.
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 05:12:12 PM
We need more than just PLD. There isn't enough on the team without him.
Which is why PS25 re-signing is important if MS55 is moved...
AL17 is a solid 3c that can move up if needed, and CP91 showed a lot of ability to possibly be the #2c and still have upside.
Having a C corps of PLD80, PS25, AL17 and CP91 + prospects is not a bad lineup... especially if we get a top RW and/or D back for MS55...
I 100% disagree and think our team takes a serious step back if that's what we're sending out there.
AL17 is a 4th liner
PS25 is a good vet presence to have, but is not going to continue as a top tandem option at C. He's a complimentary piece.
CP91 is a child who we hope get some good development this year.
I am a huge PLD fan, but you need to be 4 centres deep, and we finally have 2 now that we've aquired PLD, we're not going back to just having 1.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 05:16:57 PM
Which is why PS25 re-signing is important if MS55 is moved...
AL17 is a solid 3c that can move up if needed, and CP91 showed a lot of ability to possibly be the #2c and still have upside.
Having a C corps of PLD80, PS25, AL17 and CP91 + prospects is not a bad lineup... especially if we get a top RW and/or D back for MS55...
And the broken record keeping on turning. You just keep repeating yourself.
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 05:42:41 PM
I 100% disagree and think our team takes a serious step back if that's what we're sending out there.
AL17 is a 4th liner
PS25 is a good vet presence to have, but is not going to continue as a top tandem option at C. He's a complimentary piece.
CP91 is a child who we hope get some good development this year.
I am a huge PLD fan, but you need to be 4 centres deep, and we finally have 2 now that we've aquired PLD, we're not going back to just having 1.
Totally agree. Except I think AL17 is a solid 3rd. line C.
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 05:42:41 PM
I 100% disagree and think our team takes a serious step back if that's what we're sending out there.
AL17 is a 4th liner
PS25 is a good vet presence to have, but is not going to continue as a top tandem option at C. He's a complimentary piece.
CP91 is a child who we hope get some good development this year.
I am a huge PLD fan, but you need to be 4 centres deep, and we finally have 2 now that we've aquired PLD, we're not going back to just having 1.
AL17 is a SOLID 3rd C with huge PK ability and the ability to move up in a pinch. He is not a 4th liner, not even close.
PS25 isn't a spring chicken, but he can give you solid minutes at C, and is never a question about his presence in the locker room. He can buy a year to get to...
CP91 is just a baby, and last year was pressed into service and produced above expectations (which were high). No reason to think he isn't going to continue to develop...
Just saying, if the right pieces come back for MS55, the team CAN be better than it is now. Yes, MS55 puts up a point a game, and that will be missed, but can those points be found elsewhere, and can the D game be tightened in his absence?
MS55 has been a plus player most of his career. 2020/21 he was -4, 2021/22 -15. Now considering a lot of the Jets where minus players this year, I would say we need a new D system.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 05:46:07 PM
Totally agree. Except I think AL17 is a solid 3rd. line C.
I say this with the caveat that he is a 4th liner on a team who uses all 4 lines.
I dreamed that this year we would have 4 lines with 55-80-25-17 down the centre. And then use all 4 lines more equally.
I don't have anything against AL17, I just want our 4th line to produce at that level.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 05:50:13 PM
AL17 is a SOLID 3rd C with huge PK ability and the ability to move up in a pinch. He is not a 4th liner, not even close.
PS25 isn't a spring chicken, but he can give you solid minutes at C, and is never a question about his presence in the locker room. He can buy a year to get to...
CP91 is just a baby, and last year was pressed into service and produced above expectations (which were high). No reason to think he isn't going to continue to develop...
Just saying, if the right pieces come back for MS55, the team CAN be better than it is now. Yes, MS55 puts up a point a game, and that will be missed, but can those points be found elsewhere, and can the D game be tightened in his absence?
You just repeated what I said back to me, tbh.
None of what you said gives us a top tandem at C.
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 06:24:49 PM
I say this with the caveat that he is a 4th liner on a team who uses all 4 lines.
I dreamed that this year we would have 4 lines with 55-80-25-17 down the centre. And then use all 4 lines more equally.
I don't have anything against AL17, I just want our 4th line to produce at that level.
4th line producing is a key.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
MS55 has been a plus player most of his career. 2020/21 he was -4, 2021/22 -15. Now considering a lot of the Jets where minus players this year, I would say we need a new D system.
We didn't change our coaches/system in the last 5 years... players change over time... do you expecting a player to be a + player all his career is reasonable? If 2018-19 MS55 was guaranteed to show up in 2022-23, this isn't a discussion. But if he continues to trend -4, -15, what is the next number? That is my concern...
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2022, 06:26:44 PM
You just repeated what I said back to me, tbh.
None of what you said gives us a top tandem at C.
You can't have everything, we could have the top set of C next year, or we might have a middle of the pack one. Again, it depends on what you get back for MS55. He has a great contract in a demand position. We need a top RW more than a 2nd line C. PLD80, KC81 need a RW in their caliber. If we can get that back for MS55, plus something else, maybe swap up on a Dman... the team is better. On the ice. And who knows what happens off the ice.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 06:29:17 PM
4th line producing is a key.
Our prospects should be able to flesh out a very nice 4th line...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 08:44:15 PM
We didn't change our coaches/system in the last 5 years... players change over time... do you expecting a player to be a + player all his career is reasonable? If 2018-19 MS55 was guaranteed to show up in 2022-23, this isn't a discussion. But if he continues to trend -4, -15, what is the next number? That is my concern...
You can't have everything, we could have the top set of C next year, or we might have a middle of the pack one. Again, it depends on what you get back for MS55. He has a great contract in a demand position. We need a top RW more than a 2nd line C. PLD80, KC81 need a RW in their caliber. If we can get that back for MS55, plus something else, maybe swap up on a Dman... the team is better. On the ice. And who knows what happens off the ice.
Our prospects should be able to flesh out a very nice 4th line...
Our prospects could do it this year, I can't see them doing it next year.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 08:44:15 PM
We didn't change our coaches/system in the last 5 years... players change over time... do you expecting a player to be a + player all his career is reasonable? If 2018-19 MS55 was guaranteed to show up in 2022-23, this isn't a discussion. But if he continues to trend -4, -15, what is the next number? That is my concern...
You can't have everything, we could have the top set of C next year, or we might have a middle of the pack one. Again, it depends on what you get back for MS55. He has a great contract in a demand position. We need a top RW more than a 2nd line C. PLD80, KC81 need a RW in their caliber. If we can get that back for MS55, plus something else, maybe swap up on a Dman... the team is better. On the ice. And who knows what happens off the ice.
Our prospects should be able to flesh out a very nice 4th line...
I hate the +/- stat. But if you want to play that game.
PL80 5 years, career +8, 3 out of 5 years as a minus player.
KC81 6 years, career -9, 4 out of 6 years a minus player.
PS25 16 years, career +14, has had 6 minus years.
MS55 9 years, career +62, has had only 2 minus years.
KC81 is a career minus player who has played under these coaches and this system his whole career and your telling me it isn't the system?? or the coaches? PL80 2 minus years after coming to the Jets. Nope, it can't be the system or the coaches.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 05:08:42 PM
Did you watch last season, or the IIHF tournament? PLD80 is ready for #1C...
Last season he further cemented his ability to be 2C based on his production and time.
Imagine thinking playing well at a IIHF tournament matters in terms of the NHL. LOL :D
I'm just relieved you have absolutely no say whatsoever in what the organization does.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 22, 2022, 06:35:30 AM
Last season he further cemented his ability to be 2C based on his production and time.
Imagine thinking playing well at a IIHF tournament matters in terms of the NHL. LOL :D
I'm just relieved you have absolutely no say whatsoever in what the organization does.
I'm not sure what a player does to "cement" a spot as a 2C. Putting PLD80 on a line with KC81 and either BW26 or a better RW, you don't think he's put up similar numbers to MS55, without the horrendous -/+?
#2C on this team could get a spot with NS27 and BW26, making it very easy to put up numbers. PS25 could easily do that another year, he put up 45 points with a +14 and 56.6% FOW.
AL17 as a 3rd line C with PK duties (scored a Shorty last night again) is a pretty solid player, and maybe improves without his Dad behind the bench.
And coming up... CP91, we really haven't seen him at C yet, but in case of injury, I can see him slotting into any C spot needed.
So, if they find a taker for MS55 in which we get back a top RW and a top 4 RH D (maybe package a D prospect back), how does that not make this team better?
We parted with Roslovic and Copp because they had no place here with our C group, having better options on the roster. The wild card remains CP91, but all indications point to him being a gooder, and unafraid to step in on a top line. IF they can resign PS25 (and I can't see why he wouldn't love to stay and play with BW26 and NE27), you end up with no place to play PLD80. You are not trading him, ever, so the obvious play is to move MS55, who hasn't committed to the Jets by any means, who's recent exit interview puts the Me in Team, and is presently at a highest value you will get for him, on a team friendly contract with good point production.
The last item to consider, MS55 never returned to the lineup after his "upper body" injury suffered near the end of the season. We no idea how it affected him, or if there are and lingering effects.
Opportune time to deal a "pig in a poke" as it were...
Possible toxic locker room issues aside, I'm just saying that no player is a team, Gretzky got traded, twice. If you are going to trade a player, you trade when you can realize your best return. If we enter the season and MS55 decides he doesn't like the direction we've charted, we will be lucky to get a fraction of the value we can get draft day. Getting a top RW and a top 4 RD would set our roster better than it has ever been, IMHO.
MS55 didn't return to the team for the same reason CP91 didn't. The Jets had no chance to make the playoffs, so why rush someone back in the line up.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 22, 2022, 04:30:19 PM
I'm not sure what a player does to "cement" a spot as a 2C. Putting PLD80 on a line with KC81 and either BW26 or a better RW, you don't think he's put up similar numbers to MS55, without the horrendous -/+?
#2C on this team could get a spot with NS27 and BW26, making it very easy to put up numbers. PS25 could easily do that another year, he put up 45 points with a +14 and 56.6% FOW.
AL17 as a 3rd line C with PK duties (scored a Shorty last night again) is a pretty solid player, and maybe improves without his Dad behind the bench.
And coming up... CP91, we really haven't seen him at C yet, but in case of injury, I can see him slotting into any C spot needed.
So, if they find a taker for MS55 in which we get back a top RW and a top 4 RH D (maybe package a D prospect back), how does that not make this team better?
We parted with Roslovic and Copp because they had no place here with our C group, having better options on the roster. The wild card remains CP91, but all indications point to him being a gooder, and unafraid to step in on a top line. IF they can resign PS25 (and I can't see why he wouldn't love to stay and play with BW26 and NE27), you end up with no place to play PLD80. You are not trading him, ever, so the obvious play is to move MS55, who hasn't committed to the Jets by any means, who's recent exit interview puts the Me in Team, and is presently at a highest value you will get for him, on a team friendly contract with good point production.
The last item to consider, MS55 never returned to the lineup after his "upper body" injury suffered near the end of the season. We no idea how it affected him, or if there are and lingering effects.
Opportune time to deal a "pig in a poke" as it were...
Possible toxic locker room issues aside, I'm just saying that no player is a team, Gretzky got traded, twice. If you are going to trade a player, you trade when you can realize your best return. If we enter the season and MS55 decides he doesn't like the direction we've charted, we will be lucky to get a fraction of the value we can get draft day. Getting a top RW and a top 4 RD would set our roster better than it has ever been, IMHO.
Of course you're unsure; your hockey knowledge seems questionable at best. Hence all the ridiculous claims, hyperbole, conjecture, and other outlandish suggestions you've shared in this thread, your above comments being yet another such example.
It's simple, though: a player cements his role based on his production and other metrics. In this case of Dubois, he put together a strong 2021-22 season to cement his role at 2C going into the 2022-23 season.
And no, there is nothing to suggest a top line of 81-80-(XX) would result in Dubois producing better than Scheifele. Scheifele has been a PPG forward for six consecutive seasons and has averaged over 21 mins. of ice time over that span. It's a baseless assumption that Dubois can supplant Scheifele and even match his production, much less outperform him. You don't manage a roster based on personal dislike, what ifs, projected stats, or a young player like Perfetti being a "wild card" or "gooder" based on 18 games played. There's no logic in any of that.
As for Scheifele's injury, you're just reaching. If his injury had been serious or career-threatening, we'd know by now. Moreover, he was skating with the team prior to the season ending and there was no point in playing him with the team being eliminated or at least close to it. So, there goes your absurd theory.
We get it: you despise Mark Scheifele and think the team will be better without him. However, you're totally incapable of presenting any evidence to substantiate the latter claim with any objective reasoning, based ostensibly on the former emotionally biased and highly subjective stance you've taken.
Trading away a proven 1C for a winger and a defenseman and then claiming the roster would be better is laughable. And besides, Scheifele has already stated he doesn't want to be traded, anyway. Now isn't that the time to play fantasy GM because "Scheifele bad" according to you.
Again: I'm relieved you have no say in what the organization does with its personnel.
PS - it's still hilarious how much you prattle on about Scheifele's +/- while flat out ignoring the +/- of other players you like more who are also minus. :D
Quote from: Pigskin on May 22, 2022, 08:32:51 PM
MS55 didn't return to the team for the same reason CP91 didn't. The Jets had no chance to make the playoffs, so why rush someone back in the line up.
Not my point. I'm saying we don't know where "his head is at" on the ice, since he did not "get a chance" to return... can anyone guarantee he will be 100%?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 22, 2022, 10:41:37 PM
Of course you're unsure; your hockey knowledge seems questionable at best. Hence all the ridiculous claims, hyperbole, conjecture, and other outlandish suggestions you've shared in this thread, your above comments being yet another such example.
It's simple, though: a player cements his role based on his production and other metrics. In this case of Dubois, he put together a strong 2021-22 season to cement his role at 2C going into the 2022-23 season.
And no, there is nothing to suggest a top line of 81-80-(XX) would result in Dubois producing better than Scheifele. Scheifele has been a PPG forward for six consecutive seasons and has averaged over 21 mins. of ice time over that span. It's a baseless assumption that Dubois can supplant Scheifele and even match his production, much less outperform him. You don't manage a roster based on personal dislike, what ifs, projected stats, or a young player like Perfetti being a "wild card" or "gooder" based on 18 games played. There's no logic in any of that.
As for Scheifele's injury, you're just reaching. If his injury had been serious or career-threatening, we'd know by now. Moreover, he was skating with the team prior to the season ending and there was no point in playing him with the team being eliminated or at least close to it. So, there goes your absurd theory.
We get it: you despise Mark Scheifele and think the team will be better without him. However, you're totally incapable of presenting any evidence to substantiate the latter claim with any objective reasoning, based ostensibly on the former emotionally biased and highly subjective stance you've taken.
Trading away a proven 1C for a winger and a defenseman and then claiming the roster would be better is laughable. And besides, Scheifele has already stated he doesn't want to be traded, anyway. Now isn't that the time to play fantasy GM because "Scheifele bad" according to you.
Again: I'm relieved you have no say in what the organization does with its personnel.
PS - it's still hilarious how much you prattle on about Scheifele's +/- while flat out ignoring the +/- of other players you like more who are also minus. :D
Did you listen to the exit interview? Your statement is correct, no trade was requested. But "We'll have to see what's best for my career" is NOT "I don't want to be traded".
A guy wearing the "A" on a team, who has 2 years left on a deal, should not be saying the things MS55 said. Whether what he said is true or not, matters not. What he said hurt the team, hurt his team mates who ARE committed to the team and whatever direction is taken, and hurt many of the fans that were hoping for a positive spin from him. Only one player under contract even mentioned that his career path takes precedent over the team direction.
Do you understand my concern? A player, who had legitimate defensive shortcomings that are trending worse, who, to his credit, has
said he needs to get better, has expressed concerns about the direction the team he has had a leadership role on is taking.
Do you think he will be enthused if we get a Trotz or Deboer to coach this team? Do you think that, should they sign Dubois to 8 years $8.5 mil to be a "cemented 2c", he's not going to be upset with his remaining 2 years at $6mil?
I'm just saying "all things considered", moving MS55 should be something in the mix. *Especially" if we can fill *two* big holes (top RW and top 4 RHD).
And its not that MS55 is a - player. It is that he is the highest - on the team by a considerable margin over everyone except BW26 (-15), a whopping -17 on a team with a -5 goal differential. That is an alarming stat for a guy that has been a + player most of his career. What changed this year and last, specifically for him? Why is he trending so badly? Do we want to watch him play to a -30 next year? Or repeat a -17?
The dropoff from MS55, PLD80, AL17, CP91 to PLD80, PS25, AL17, CP91 is not horrendous, and if that change nets us a RW better than BW26 and a RHD better than Demelo, how are we not better off?
At this point in time, we have to decide, is MS55 our top C for the future, or is it PLD80. Because in 2 years, if we keep MS55 and bridge PLD80, both will be UFA and we could lose both of them with nothing coming back.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 22, 2022, 10:42:26 PM
Not my point. I'm saying we don't know where "his head is at" on the ice, since he did not "get a chance" to return... can anyone guarantee he will be 100%?
Well if he's not 100%, you can kiss your trade MS55 campaign out the window.
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You forgot the hands over mouth emjoi that was also included in the tweet. Sportsnet reported Trotz is meeting with Philly this week so this is not a real rumour and it's not from a reputable source.
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Quote from: theaardvark on May 22, 2022, 11:56:51 PM
Did you listen to the exit interview? Your statement is correct, no trade was requested. But "We'll have to see what's best for my career" is NOT "I don't want to be traded".
A guy wearing the "A" on a team, who has 2 years left on a deal, should not be saying the things MS55 said. Whether what he said is true or not, matters not. What he said hurt the team, hurt his team mates who ARE committed to the team and whatever direction is taken, and hurt many of the fans that were hoping for a positive spin from him. Only one player under contract even mentioned that his career path takes precedent over the team direction.
Do you understand my concern? A player, who had legitimate defensive shortcomings that are trending worse, who, to his credit, has
said he needs to get better, has expressed concerns about the direction the team he has had a leadership role on is taking.
Do you think he will be enthused if we get a Trotz or Deboer to coach this team? Do you think that, should they sign Dubois to 8 years $8.5 mil to be a "cemented 2c", he's not going to be upset with his remaining 2 years at $6mil?
I'm just saying "all things considered", moving MS55 should be something in the mix. *Especially" if we can fill *two* big holes (top RW and top 4 RHD).
And its not that MS55 is a - player. It is that he is the highest - on the team by a considerable margin over everyone except BW26 (-15), a whopping -17 on a team with a -5 goal differential. That is an alarming stat for a guy that has been a + player most of his career. What changed this year and last, specifically for him? Why is he trending so badly? Do we want to watch him play to a -30 next year? Or repeat a -17?
The dropoff from MS55, PLD80, AL17, CP91 to PLD80, PS25, AL17, CP91 is not horrendous, and if that change nets us a RW better than BW26 and a RHD better than Demelo, how are we not better off?
At this point in time, we have to decide, is MS55 our top C for the future, or is it PLD80. Because in 2 years, if we keep MS55 and bridge PLD80, both will be UFA and we could lose both of them with nothing coming back.
Did you? You're just making things up now and then claiming what it did to the team despite actually not knowing. You're so fixated on your dislike of him you have to make fabrications to keep your feeble narrative on life support. The mental gymnastics never end and you just grasp at nonsense to justify your biased takes.
Weird - but unsurprising - how you continue to crap on Scheifele for his comments but gushed over Dubois making similar comments a few weeks earlier, even going so far as to label him a leader in doing so. Slightly different wording is apparently enough to mislead you despite the similarly underlying message by either player.
You don't strengthen a roster by deleting its 1C and adding a top 6 winger and top 4 defender. Full stop. (in the event the Jets were to trade Scheifele, they'd need to get at least a top 6 centre in return to justify the trade)
How many more times are you going to parade his +/- stat in this thread while ignoring other players who were also minus? And the team goal differential doesn't help your argument, BTW. On the contrary, it speaks to a
team issue related to team defense and how poorly they played away from the puck.
At this point, Scheifele is the team's best centre even in spite of his lacklustre defensive play. The Jets are fortunate to have both him and Dubois as their 1C and 2C, respectively. It's not an either or no matter how many times you want to make that claim or spin their contracts or potential contracts as some point of contention between the two. If Dubois doesn't sign a long-term deal, I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Scheifele.
I'll say it for the last time, as I'm done engaging in this painfully absurd discussion: I'm relieved you have no say in what the Jets do with its players.
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Did you? You're just making things up now and then claiming what it did to the team despite actually not knowing. You're so fixated on your dislike of him you have to make fabrications to keep your feeble narrative on life support. The mental gymnastics never end and you just grasp at nonsense to justify your biased takes.
Weird - but unsurprising - how you continue to crap on Scheifele for his comments but gushed over Dubois making similar comments a few weeks earlier, even going so far as to label him a leader in doing so. Slightly different wording is apparently enough to mislead you despite the similarly underlying message by either player.
You don't strengthen a roster by deleting its 1C and adding a top 6 winger and top 4 defender. Full stop. (in the event the Jets were to trade Scheifele, they'd need to get at least a top 6 centre in return to justify the trade)
How many more times are you going to parade his +/- stat in this thread while ignoring other players who were also minus? And the team goal differential doesn't help your argument, BTW. On the contrary, it speaks to a team issue related to team defense and how poorly they played away from the puck.
At this point, Scheifele is the team's best centre even in spite of his lacklustre defensive play. The Jets are fortunate to have both him and Dubois as their 1C and 2C, respectively. It's not an either or no matter how many times you want to make that claim or spin their contracts or potential contracts as some point of contention between the two. If Dubois doesn't sign a long-term deal, I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Scheifele.
I'll say it for the last time, as I'm done engaging in this painfully absurd discussion: I'm relieved you have no say in what the Jets do with its players.
Oof. LOL :D
Besides MS55 -17 and BW26 -15, want to reel off the other (-) players on he team? KC81 was -3, PLD80 -6, KV93 and JH12 -8...
But, if the team system was so bad, how does NE27 end up +18? Or PS25 end up +14?
Again, no hate for MS55, more a disappointment. And no, his comments were different than PLD80, his comments were about "what is best for my career" even though his career is 2 more years under contract with the Jets, and presently wearing an "A", and PLD80 is an RFA without contract as of July 1. Two completely different standpoints to comment from, yet it seemed like their status was reversed. It sounded like MS55 was weighing his option for entering free agency.
Every player on this team is an asset, and getting the most out of each asset is a GM's job. If MS55 is unhappy (which his exit interview seemed to suggest without declaring "I want a trade") then his highest value will be with term left on a team friendly deal, and before he formally demands a trade.
Asset management is what I am addressing. There are a few RW coming on the FA market, but they will be pricey. We have a sod replacement C available at what will be a reasonable price in PS25 should we trade MS55. And I would not suggest trading MS55 for a top 6 forward and a top 4 D, it would be a minimum of a top RW and a top 4 RH D. A RW better than BW26 and a D as good as or better than Pionk, and better than Demelo. That, IMHO, is good value for MS55. An offer of a RW that was not as good as BW26 would not even start the conversation.
And as much as you deny that their contracts are not connected, the MS55 and PLD80 contracts are very much dependent on each other, just as any team's top 2 C's are related. If PLD80 has designs on being a #1C in the league, if he thinks MS55 is getting an extension here past the final 2 years on his deal, he will think twice about signing long term. Likewise, if the team commits 8 years to PLD80 at 33% more than MS55 is getting, MS55 will likely ask for a trade, if not publicly, then privately.
If we bridge PLD80, and have to find the $$$ to sign him again in 2 years, its going to be at a higher price than an 8 year deal now, and there will not be $$$ for MS55, which means you end up either trading him before the 23-24 playoffs if you are a seller, or losing him for nothing summer of 24.
I just don't see a scenario of having MS55 and PD80 on this roster starting 2024-2025 season, and the optimal utilization of the assets would be getting a top RW and a top 4 RH D back for MS55 (or PLD80 if you think MS55 is the better long term asset) right now.
You're talking about #1C like it's a Quarterback and there's only one starter.
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Apparently the Jets will match any offer that Barry gets. Money is not the issue. It will come down to where he wants to coach next season. Winnipeg, Vegas, Dallas, Philly.
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Apparently the Jets will match any offer that Barry gets. Money is not the issue. It will come down to where he wants to coach next season. Winnipeg, Vegas, Dallas, Philly.
If the rumours are accurate and he wants to step into a GM role in the near future, it'll be on TNSE and Cheveldayoff to facilitate that here. If money is no object, perhaps offering Trotz a HC/AGM role immediately could entice him to come to Winnipeg. Cheveldayoff's inching closer to 15 years as GM, so perhaps him stepping into a VP of hockey ops role once his contract is up (2025) would open up the GM role for Trotz (having now some experience with managerial expectations) who could then hire his replacement at HC.
Pure speculation on my part, just to be clear. That'd be my ideal scenario, anyway.
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If the rumours are accurate and he wants to step into a GM role in the near future, it'll be on TNSE and Cheveldayoff to facilitate that here. If money is no object, perhaps offering Trotz a HC/AGM role immediately could entice him to come to Winnipeg. Cheveldayoff's inching closer to 15 years as GM, so perhaps him stepping into a VP of hockey ops role once his contract is up (2025) would open up the GM role for Trotz (having now some experience with managerial expectations) who could then hire his replacement at HC.
Pure speculation on my part, just to be clear. That'd be my ideal scenario, anyway.
I think that's what Jeff Hamilton was speculating. He says we're the only team prepared to do that as well.
With the coach having some GM capacity, we will get a quick sense of what it going on in the room...
Hoping Trotz gets the gig, it also leaves an exit strategy for Chevy. Bonus.
Murat Ates reporting on Scott Arniel quite possibly joining the Jets in an associate coaching role:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3341401%2F2022%2F05%2F31%2Fwinnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-trotz-coach%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3341401%2F2022%2F05%2F31%2Fwinnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-trotz-coach%2F)
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 31, 2022, 09:26:53 PM
Murat Ates reporting on Scott Arniel quite possibly joining the Jets in an associate coaching role:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3341401%2F2022%2F05%2F31%2Fwinnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-trotz-coach%2F (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3341401%2F2022%2F05%2F31%2Fwinnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-trotz-coach%2F)
I think this would be a good move by the Jets.
Coaches hire associates... if Trotz like Arniel, and wants to train him up to take over when he moves to GM, then this is good.
But if Trotz sees Arniel as competition, or Chevy's guy to replace Trotz at the first sign of trouble, then this is a horrible idea.
We do not know which it is, or if it is something in between...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 31, 2022, 10:10:38 PM
Coaches hire associates... if Trotz like Arniel, and wants to train him up to take over when he moves to GM, then this is good.
But if Trotz sees Arniel as competition, or Chevy's guy to replace Trotz at the first sign of trouble, then this is a horrible idea.
We do not know which it is, or if it is something in between...
Or nothing at all, and your just making things up.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2022, 10:49:54 PM
Or nothing at all, and your just making things up.
What? What am I making up. please explain.
The media is full of Scott Arniel to the Jets reports.
We all want Trotz.
My statements illustrate what I see as two of the likely combinations of those two things.
And yes, these are my conjectures. Anyone's "opinions" are "just making things up".
From what the media has reported, there is nothing to suggest Trotz sees Arniel as "competition" regarding the HC vacancy with the Jets and the latter joining the organization doesn't necessarily affect the former or his aspirations.
If the Jets are as serious about getting Trotz as they seem to be, hiring Arniel wouldn't make sense in that regard unless it's limited to an associate/assistant role.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 31, 2022, 11:00:25 PM
What? What am I making up. please explain.
The media is full of Scott Arniel to the Jets reports.
We all want Trotz.
My statements illustrate what I see as two of the likely combinations of those two things.
And yes, these are my conjectures. Anyone's "opinions" are "just making things up".
Trotz can and will bring anyone he wants with him, but that doesn't mean he will come in and fill in the whole staff.
Wade Flaherty will be our goalie coach next year, for example.
Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2022, 02:15:47 PM
Trotz can and will bring anyone he wants with him, but that doesn't mean he will come in and fill in the whole staff.
Wade Flaherty will be our goalie coach next year, for example.
I'm not so sure about Flaherty.. I've seen both references, to him being offered a new contract, and to him possibly being dismissed with the rest... the Jets site still has the entire old staff still listed.
I have also seen reference to Trotz bringing Mitch Korn wherever he lands...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 31, 2022, 11:00:25 PM
What? What am I making up. please explain.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 31, 2022, 10:10:38 PM
Coaches hire associates... if Trotz like Arniel, and wants to train him up to take over when he moves to GM, then this is good.
But if Trotz sees Arniel as competition, or Chevy's guy to replace Trotz at the first sign of trouble, then this is a horrible idea.
We do not know which it is, or if it is something in between...
It's just that you came up with two scenarios based on the assumptions that Trotz has his eye on becoming GM and that Chevy is on his way out (after receiving an multi-year extension).
You've created this narrative based on your dislike of Chevy ever since the sexual abuse case but the reality is unfolding quite differently.
I bet if the Jets draft a 2 way centre you will say that this is a Trotz (bc he's the GM-in-waiting) plan to oust Scheifele and rebuild a team that has a clear identity.
It's pretty dubious behaviour - not to mention poor form - to make claims without actually substantiating them.
The most recent report (tweeted by Seravalli on May 2) was that Flaherty would be the only coach retained: https://illegalcurve.com/seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-planning-complete-overhaul-of-their-coaching-staff/ (https://illegalcurve.com/seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-planning-complete-overhaul-of-their-coaching-staff/)
And of course the Jets website still has the coaching staff listed -
none of them have been fired. That doesn't stop the organization from looking for replacements, though.
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 01, 2022, 05:01:44 PM
I bet if the Jets draft a 2 way centre you will say that this is a Trotz (bc he's the GM-in-waiting) plan to oust Scheifele and rebuild a team that has a clear identity.
LOL :D
**chef's kiss**
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 01, 2022, 05:01:44 PM
It's just that you came up with two scenarios based on the assumptions that Trotz has his eye on becoming GM and that Chevy is on his way out (after receiving an multi-year extension).
You've created this narrative based on your dislike of Chevy ever since the sexual abuse case but the reality is unfolding quite differently.
I bet if the Jets draft a 2 way centre you will say that this is a Trotz (bc he's the GM-in-waiting) plan to oust Scheifele and rebuild a team that has a clear identity.
Has it not been widely reported that Trotz is looking to transition to a GM role, and that might be the sweetener that tilts his decision towards the Jets, with Chevy moving to a VP role? I certainly didn't come up with that out of the blue.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 01, 2022, 05:21:48 PM
It's pretty dubious behaviour - not to mention poor form - to make claims without actually substantiating them.
The most recent report (tweeted by Seravalli on May 2) was that Flaherty would be the only coach retained: https://illegalcurve.com/seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-planning-complete-overhaul-of-their-coaching-staff/ (https://illegalcurve.com/seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-planning-complete-overhaul-of-their-coaching-staff/)
And of course the Jets website still has the coaching staff listed - none of them have been fired. That doesn't stop the organization from looking for replacements, though.
LOL :D
**chef's kiss**
Unless Serivalli is working for the Jets, that's not really substantiation, just quoting someone else's speculation. No different that I did (although I didn't quote the sources, but they are all readily available through Google)
Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
Has it not been widely reported that Trotz is looking to transition to a GM role, and that might be the sweetener that tilts his decision towards the Jets, with Chevy moving to a VP role? I certainly didn't come up with that out of the blue.
Unless Serivalli is working for the Jets, that's not really substantiation, just quoting someone else's speculation. No different that I did (although I didn't quote the sources, but they are all readily available through Google)
In the first part, you quote speculation. Then in the second part, you refuse to acknowledge what you call speculation - just as an example as to why you're getting a hard time here.
But as to the first part, the specualation refers to Trotz wanting to transition into the personnel side of thins - that doesn't mean jump to the GM chair. There's a number of roles to be had.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
Unless Serivalli Seravalli is working for the Jets, that's not really substantiation, just quoting someone else's speculation. No different that I did (although I didn't quote the sources, but they are all readily available through Google)
Frank Seravalli is a well-known and respected reporter when it comes to the NHL. That is literally his job, similar to Darren Dreger, Pierre LeBrun, or Elliotte Friedman. His being connected to the league holds significantly more weight than any
fan who can type something into a search bar on their computer.
One's a reliable source for NHL-related information; the other doesn't even come close. It is very different, not to mention a pretty bad look to try and put yourself on the same level as him.
Also, it's nobody's responsibility but yours to prove your claims. That's how burden of proof works.
TSN reporting: Winnipeg Jets NOT expected to trade MS55 in the off season.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 02, 2022, 04:24:50 AM
TSN reporting: Winnipeg Jets NOT expected to trade MS55 in the off season.
NHL reported it on Tuesday, too: https://www.nhl.com/news/mark-scheifele-expected-back-with-winnipeg-jets-next-season/c-334402466 (https://www.nhl.com/news/mark-scheifele-expected-back-with-winnipeg-jets-next-season/c-334402466)
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BUFFALO -- Mark Scheifele is expected to remain with the Winnipeg Jets next season, general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday.
Scheifele questioned his future in Winnipeg after the Jets (39-32-11) missed the Stanley Cup Playoffs for the first time in five seasons, finishing eight points behind the Nashville Predators for the second wild card from the Western Conference. The center has two seasons remaining on the eight-year, $49 million contract he signed July 8, 2016.
"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com at the 2022 Adidas NHL Scouting Combine. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."
Even if we wanted to - and I'm sure a few teams heard all the rumours and called Chevy with "offers" - it's an impossible trade.
You cannot get the production that Schiefele had (either in points or an equal value of defence) at the contract he had. And we can't afford to bring on more salary than we're sending out.
The only way to move him would be to give up, say we're rebuilding, and trade him for draft picks.
No one involved is willing to do that.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 02, 2022, 02:20:51 PM
NHL reported it on Tuesday, too: https://www.nhl.com/news/mark-scheifele-expected-back-with-winnipeg-jets-next-season/c-334402466 (https://www.nhl.com/news/mark-scheifele-expected-back-with-winnipeg-jets-next-season/c-334402466)
OK, what's Chevy supposed to say... how many announcements like this are followed with "MS55 has been traded"... its part of negotiation. Make the asset more valuable by saying you actually don't want to trade him.
I'd still put money on MS55 never taking a faceoff in a Jets uniform again...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 03:32:20 PM
OK, what's Chevy supposed to say... how many announcements like this are followed with "MS55 has been traded"... its part of negotiation. Make the asset more valuable by saying you actually don't want to trade him.
I'd still put money on MS55 never taking a faceoff in a Jets uniform again...
Of course
you would. You can't stand him.
Cheveldayoff was asked a question and he answered it pretty candidly, which is something we don't always get from him considering how close he plays his cards to the chest. Leave it to you to nonsensically read into things without any basis, though. And what negotiation? There hasn't even been a breath of a rumour regarding any potential trade or trade partner.
Funny how you won't take his comments at face value despite the fact he's the
GM of the team, but you had no issue taking Dreger's comments on the Ron Pederson Show from nearly a month ago at face value despite the fact he's not part of the organization -
something you just chided me for yesterday when I shared comments made by Servavalli regarding Flaherty's future. Pick a lane.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 02, 2022, 03:51:42 PM
Of course you would. You can't stand him.
Cheveldayoff was asked a question and he answered it pretty candidly, which is something we don't always get from him considering how close he plays his cards to the chest. Leave it to you to nonsensically read into things without any basis, though. And what negotiation? There hasn't even been a breath of a rumour regarding any potential trade or trade partner.
Funny how you won't take his comments at face value despite the fact he's the GM of the team, but you had no issue taking Dreger's comments on the Ron Pederson Show from nearly a month ago at face value despite the fact he's not part of the organization - something you just chided me for yesterday when I shared comments made by Servavalli regarding Flaherty's future.
Pick a lane.
Again, I respect MS55's contributions to the team, and I know he is a top player in the league. Its not that "I can't stand him", its just that I like PLD80 better. Is that hard to understand?
And, while people might say there is room for 1a, 1b C's on a team, I cannot see that happening. It just doesn't seem to work in the room. Especially when your "1a" is getting paid less than "1b" and playing on the second line. Because you know next year it is PLD80 and KC81 anchoring the top line.
So, what is MS55's spot here? How does that role bode for his career? His family? The concerns he expressed in his exit interview?
Or do you propose that PLD80 moves to RW on a MS55, PLD80, KC81 line? Pretty sure they tried versions of that without as much success as you would want from that combo.
"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com at the 2022 Adidas NHL Scouting Combine. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."No mention of discussions post exit interview, no new information. We still have to see how MS55 reacts to the new coach, PLD80's new contract, and any other moves they make on/before draft day. Any of these things can make a 180 degree change in those sentiments. Especially when MS55 is quoted in that article as saying:
"I have to think about my career and what's going to be best for me. I have to talk to my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want." My thoughts are based on more than just point totals, but rather take into account team dynamic and potential for conflict. Depending on who takes over as coach, you may see MS55's attitude change, one way or the other. Depending on how long and for what number PLD80 signs for, that can cause another change in MS55's attitude (and before anyone says that what one player makes has no bearing on what another player's attitude is, that's bull puckey)
You want to create as talented AND as harmonious a team dynamic as you can. The idea of trading MS55 is ONLY possible if the return is appropriate. A good GM trades from a position of strength to shore up a position of weakness. With 2 #1C on the team, and no #1D, swapping out a #1C for a #1D and maybe some more is a no brainer. Your job as GM is to make the team stronger.
Having PLD80 slotted in as your #1c for the next 8 years (if he wants the job) would make this team stronger long term. In 2 years, you are not going to have both PLD80 and MS55 on this team. One will get have a #1C contract and leadership role at that time, and we may lose the other for no return at all. Getting a #1D right now, when we need one, makes the best sense today, and in the future.
If you don't think PLD80 can be a #1C and lead this team, then this trade scenario makes no sense at all. But, if like I you think he is the better choice going forward (younger, more upside, less downside), trading MS55 makes the most sense.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 03:32:20 PM
OK, what's Chevy supposed to say... how many announcements like this are followed with "MS55 has been traded"... its part of negotiation. Make the asset more valuable by saying you actually don't want to trade him.
I'd still put money on MS55 never taking a faceoff in a Jets uniform again...
How about we bet if your wrong you can't talk about the Jets or MS55 ever again. And if your right, then I can't.
*gets popcorn*
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 06:15:40 PM
Again, I respect MS55's contributions to the team, and I know he is a top player in the league. Its not that "I can't stand him", its just that I like PLD80 better. Is that hard to understand?
And, while people might say there is room for 1a, 1b C's on a team, I cannot see that happening. It just doesn't seem to work in the room. Especially when your "1a" is getting paid less than "1b" and playing on the second line. Because you know next year it is PLD80 and KC81 anchoring the top line.
You're describing every successful team in the league though.
You need multiple centres. They will all get paid like top players. They will all get roughly equal minutes. This #1, #2 thing doesn't exist except for fans and top 10 lists.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 02, 2022, 06:23:40 PM
How about we bet if your wrong you can't talk about the Jets or MS55 ever again. And if your right, then I can't.
Much easier... no one seems to be understanding my point, or agreeing with it, so it is pointless to continue.
Enjoy your forum.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 06:15:40 PM
Again, I respect MS55's contributions to the team, and I know he is a top player in the league. Its not that "I can't stand him", its just that I like PLD80 better. Is that hard to understand?
And, while people might say there is room for 1a, 1b C's on a team, I cannot see that happening. It just doesn't seem to work in the room. Especially when your "1a" is getting paid less than "1b" and playing on the second line. Because you know next year it is PLD80 and KC81 anchoring the top line.
So, what is MS55's spot here? How does that role bode for his career? His family? The concerns he expressed in his exit interview?
Or do you propose that PLD80 moves to RW on a MS55, PLD80, KC81 line? Pretty sure they tried versions of that without as much success as you would want from that combo.
"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com at the 2022 Adidas NHL Scouting Combine. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."
No mention of discussions post exit interview, no new information. We still have to see how MS55 reacts to the new coach, PLD80's new contract, and any other moves they make on/before draft day. Any of these things can make a 180 degree change in those sentiments. Especially when MS55 is quoted in that article as saying:
"I have to think about my career and what's going to be best for me. I have to talk to my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want."
My thoughts are based on more than just point totals, but rather take into account team dynamic and potential for conflict. Depending on who takes over as coach, you may see MS55's attitude change, one way or the other. Depending on how long and for what number PLD80 signs for, that can cause another change in MS55's attitude (and before anyone says that what one player makes has no bearing on what another player's attitude is, that's bull puckey)
You want to create as talented AND as harmonious a team dynamic as you can. The idea of trading MS55 is ONLY possible if the return is appropriate. A good GM trades from a position of strength to shore up a position of weakness. With 2 #1C on the team, and no #1D, swapping out a #1C for a #1D and maybe some more is a no brainer. Your job as GM is to make the team stronger.
Having PLD80 slotted in as your #1c for the next 8 years (if he wants the job) would make this team stronger long term. In 2 years, you are not going to have both PLD80 and MS55 on this team. One will get have a #1C contract and leadership role at that time, and we may lose the other for no return at all. Getting a #1D right now, when we need one, makes the best sense today, and in the future.
If you don't think PLD80 can be a #1C and lead this team, then this trade scenario makes no sense at all. But, if like I you think he is the better choice going forward (younger, more upside, less downside), trading MS55 makes the most sense.
All those words when you could've just said "I don't understand the complexities of professional hockey, player contracts, and roster management well enough to make a well thought-out, rational, critically sound argument with irrefutable proof as to why Dubois is now better than Scheifele, he should be given 1C right now, and should also be given a letter. Oh, and Scheifele should be traded for a winger and a defenseman."
"Scheifele is soft. He stinks. He's redundant. He's lacklustre. He's disgruntled. His +/- isn't worth his contract. Throw him in the press box. Copp is worth keeping over him."
Based on just that handful of remarks, it seems pretty apparent you don't respect Scheifele or his contributions. If you did, you wouldn't be so irrationally critical of him or his 2021-22 campaign when the majority of the team struggled with defensive play and consistency, not to mention injuries, COVID Protocol, a head coach resigning, and a mediocre replacement. It's baffling how you've so easily turned on of the best players in Jets 2.0 history based on one season and in the same breath want to anoint Dubois the top centre and even the captaincy (or an A at the very least) based on the exact same criteria:
one season. There is nothing objective about that approach.
You continue to dig in your heels and defend this narrative you've adopted but present no evidence or actual data, relying instead on the same repetitive conjecture based on your own biases and assumptions. There's no impartiality based on the months-long vilification of one player you've pretty much written off. And when others have presented differing views or opinions, you've either ignored them or found a way to move the goalposts of your argument.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
...no one seems to be understanding my point, or agreeing with it, so it is pointless to continue.
You're not shocked, are you? The horse was beaten to death quite a while ago and only now you've decided to read the room.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
Enjoy your forum.
Looking forward to it. ;D
Kyle Connor wins lady Byng.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 07, 2022, 04:55:44 AM
Kyle Connor wins lady Byng.
Well deserved! He had a fantastic season.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 07, 2022, 04:55:44 AM
Kyle Connor wins lady Byng.
Probably the least surprising award of the year... no way anyone else should have gotten a first vote.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 07, 2022, 02:11:35 PM
Probably the least surprising award of the year... no way anyone else should have gotten a first vote.
Didn't take long for you to come back.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 07, 2022, 04:13:32 PM
Didn't take long for you to come back.
.
Lol... I guess my controversial opinion here was too much...
Sounds like the Jets' short list includes Jim Montgomery as a potential HC, and he's got ties to several individuals to the organization, including Heisinger, Roy, and Arniel (not hired yet but all indications are he's going to be).
It seems pretty apparent Trotz is their top candidate, and rightfully so considering what's at stake, but good on the Jets for putting in the legwork and casting a wide net to keep their options open to potential suitors should Trotz not pan out as hoped.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 10, 2022, 05:45:54 PM
Sounds like the Jets' short list includes Jim Montgomery as a potential HC, and he's got ties to several individuals to the organization, including Heisinger, Roy, and Arniel (not hired yet but all indications are he's going to be).
It seems pretty apparent Trotz is their top candidate, and rightfully so considering what's at stake, but good on the Jets for putting in the legwork and casting a wide net to keep their options open to potential suitors should Trotz not pan out as hoped.
I am sure the Jets would like to have a HC in place before the draft.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-brewery-trotz-beer-jets-1.6487616 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-brewery-trotz-beer-jets-1.6487616)
Little Brown Jug stepping up! :D
One of the talking heads said he expected some clarity on the coaching market this week. Friedman, maybe?
One less team vying for Trotz as Vegas has signed former Bruins coach Cassidy
Definitely agree that a coach signed before the Draft is a positive step
Dubois has reportedly told the Jets he intends to test the FA waters in two years; the Jets want him to sign long-term: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/dubois-informs-jets-he-plans-to-test-free-agency-in-2024-team-wants-to-keep-him/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/dubois-informs-jets-he-plans-to-test-free-agency-in-2024-team-wants-to-keep-him/)
Not good news.
Really awful that this came out for all to hear.
Leverage for the Jets, if it became a trade him situation, just got substantially worse for Chevy
Quote from: Jockitch on June 23, 2022, 05:11:26 PM
Really awful that this came out for all to hear.
Leverage for the Jets, if it became a trade him situation, just got substantially worse for Chevy
Something stinks within the organization but it's hard to know what and how badly.
New HC has his work cut out. I hope whoever it is can get things straightened out before long and we can hear Dubois changing his tune.
Aards, you still wanna give this guy the C?
Trade him to Philly and fire his Dad!
***gets popcorn out of the pantry***
And Mcntyre reported that Blake Wheeler is actively being shopped (suggested to PM in Florida).
Things are definitely [rumoured to be] happening.
Quote from: Jesse on June 23, 2022, 05:51:19 PM
And Mcntyre reported that Blake Wheeler is actively being shopped (suggested to PM in Florida).
Things are definitely [rumoured to be] happening.
That's a big contract to try and dump. I'd imagine the Jets would have to retain salary but I'm also wondering what the return would be.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 23, 2022, 07:27:02 PM
That's a big contract to try and dump. I'd imagine the Jets would have to retain salary but I'm also wondering what the return would be.
It definitey include retaining salaray and possibly sending a prospect as well.
Bob Irving
@BobIrvingCJOB
19m
Barry Trotz has advised the Winnipeg Jets he is not going to accept their offer to become their head coach.
Absolutely horrible news bout Trotz
Not the end of the world. Time to move on. Who is still out there.
Terrible.
Brutal. Now to figure out who gets the title.
On Over drive yesterday they were talking Babcock. How does everyone fell about Babcock?
Quote from: Pigskin on June 25, 2022, 05:03:56 PM
On Over drive yesterday they were talking Babcock. How does everyone fell about Babcock?
Overall, not good. Guy is a talented coach to be sure but a total ****** *******.
I felt like Trotz was the one guy who could have made guys in the locker turn around and come together.
Without that presence coming in, it makes all the player news coming out seem even worse.
Not feeling optimistic and almost wish we'd lean into a rebuild.
Trade Wheeler to the PoMo Panthers!
Quote from: Jesse on June 25, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I felt like Trotz was the one guy who could have made guys in the locker turn around and come together.
Without that presence coming in, it makes all the player news coming out seem even worse.
Not feeling optimistic and almost wish we'd lean into a rebuild.
A guy like Montgomery could probably get things sorted out, too. Trotz's systems are where I'd say the Jets are now going to lose out more than anything else. FWIW, Montgomery did a pretty good job with the Stars up until he had to resign to go into rehab.
I wonder if Bowness is on the Jets' list of candidates. He also did pretty well with the Stars.
It's crazy how long it took Trotz to make a decision, IMO.
If Montreal offers the 1st. overall pick in this years draft and Kaiden Guhle, would you trade PL80?? Apparently Montreal is one of a few team interested in PL80.
Moe says that rumors about problems in the dressing room are not true.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 28, 2022, 03:20:01 AM
Moe says that rumors about problems in the dressing room are not true.
First of all, BS.
Second, Moe? Maurice? Morrissey?
Quote from: Jesse on June 28, 2022, 12:29:54 PM
First of all, BS.
Second, Moe? Maurice? Morrissey?
Okay, "Moe" Paul Maurice is not telling the truth?? Sure.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 28, 2022, 01:31:36 PM
Okay, "Moe" Paul Maurice is not telling the truth?? Sure.
I love PM, don't get me wrong - but the rumoured issues are that there was a tier of players (MS, BW) that were free from consequence. And that other players resented it.
He was the one playing those guys, so maybe he didn't think there was an issue, but if problems existed, he was part of the problem, not part of the affected group. If that makes sense.
Quote from: Jesse on June 28, 2022, 02:03:25 PM
I love PM, don't get me wrong - but the rumoured issues are that there was a tier of players (MS, BW) that were free from consequence. And that other players resented it.
He was the one playing those guys, so maybe he didn't think there was an issue, but if problems existed, he was part of the problem, not part of the affected group. If that makes sense.
Rumor? That is the key word. Until someone puts there name to it. Someone a player or coach will have to now dispute his interview and call him out.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 28, 2022, 02:39:07 PM
Rumor? That is the key word. Until someone puts there name to it. Someone a player or coach will have to now dispute his interview and call him out.
Kevin Hayes and Cody Eakin did that a while ago.
Quote from: Jesse on June 28, 2022, 02:45:06 PM
Kevin Hayes and Cody Eakin did that a while ago.
Well then if Hayes and Eakin say that, then it's true?? I never read that. Can you post that interview or the article.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 26, 2022, 09:37:52 PM
If Montreal offers the 1st. overall pick in this years draft and Kaiden Guhle, would you trade PL80?? Apparently Montreal is one of a few team interested in PL80.
This would definitely make Chevy hesitate & ponder but this would leave Chevy short down the middle
Do like the #1 for PLD but a roster middle forward is needed
If Chevy plans to keep Scheif but move PLD to perhaps the Habs ....... then ask for Jake Evans & Christian Dvorak
Quote from: Jesse on June 28, 2022, 02:45:06 PM
Kevin Hayes and Cody Eakin did that a while ago.
That was already put to bed in either case, though. Also, there was never veracity to either and were just hearsay based on what another individual heard them say. And in the video where those comments were made and Hayes and Eakin were name-dropped, it was removed from YouTube.
With picks 14 & 30, good chance the Jets could draft a Manitoba born player.
Got my copy of The Hockey News Draft Preview and Geekie has moved to #7 on their list.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 24, 2022, 07:50:34 PM
Bob Irving
@BobIrvingCJOB
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Barry Trotz has advised the Winnipeg Jets he is not going to accept their offer to become their head coach.
Not that surprising, someone told me he still gets his $4 million from the Islanders if he sits out the season. If true to me that is a no brainer decision.
Quote from: bluengold204 on June 29, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Not that surprising, someone told me he still gets his $4 million from the Islanders if he sits out the season. If true to me that is a no brainer decision.
Correct. He had another year on his contract with the Islanders, so he gets paid this upcoming season regardless. Still a shame he took so long to make a decision, though.
As for the Jets, they will take this year's second round pick from St. Louis as part of the Andrew Copp trade return.
The Jets now own picks 14, 30, 55, 77, 99, 175, and 207 in next week's draft. (per Winnipeg Jets Director of Amateur Scouting Mark Hillier)
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 29, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
Correct. He had another year on his contract with the Islanders, so he gets paid this upcoming season regardless. Still a shame he took so long to make a decision, though.
As for the Jets, they will take this year's second round pick from St. Louis as part of the Andrew Copp trade return.
The Jets now own picks 14, 30, 55, 77, 99, 175, and 207 in next week's draft. (per Winnipeg Jets Director of Amateur Scouting Mark Hillier)
Probably didn't matter much. I don't think we missed out on candidates.
for no specific reason(s) other than previous behind NHL bench experience & having been, formerly, solid 2way players in the NHL
....... wouldn't mind seeing Scott Arniel, Andrew Brunette or Kirk Muller
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-gaining-clarity-on-dubois-future-will-determine-off-season-approach/
Decent read
Quote
That doesn't mean he's suddenly soured on Winnipeg, it just means he's not ready to go to the altar for a long-term commitment without getting a better idea what direction the Jets are going - with regards to the coaching staff and personnel.
I remember when a certain forward made similar remarks a while back and was labeled as being selfish and undeserving of a letter. Oh, and that he should never wear the Jets crest ever again.
I guess at the end of the day, players just want some certainty when it comes to their careers. That's not exactly unfair of them, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 29, 2022, 10:20:32 PM
I remember when a certain forward made similar remarks a while back and was labeled as being selfish and undeserving of a letter. Oh, and that he should never wear the Jets crest ever again.
I guess at the end of the day, players just want some certainty when it comes to their careers. That's not exactly unfair of them, IMO.
Sorry, don't mean to intrude, I am sure your comment was directed at me, so I will respond to this. Its apples and orangutangs.
The player you are mentioning is in a leadership position and under a binding contract for a number of years, the other a pending free agent.
The situations are far from equal, and barely similar.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 30, 2022, 03:46:02 PM
Sorry, don't mean to intrude, I am sure your comment was directed at me, so I will respond to this. Its apples and orangutangs.
The player you are mentioning is in a leadership position and under a binding contract for a number of years, the other a pending free agent.
The situations are far from equal, and barely similar.
Not that dissimilar. You are advocating for a leadership position for Dubois. Dubois is a restricted free agent who absolutely will be under contract if we want him to be for 2 years. Dubois is just as much a part of the team as Scheifele at this moment in time.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 30, 2022, 03:46:02 PM
Sorry, don't mean to intrude, I am sure your comment was directed at me, so I will respond to this. Its apples and orangutangs.
The player you are mentioning is in a leadership position and under a binding contract for a number of years, the other a pending free agent.
The situations are far from equal, and barely similar.
Two years of team control - pretty similar.
More unexpected from MS, given the history and his well documented work ethic and goal setting early in his career, which is probably what set a lot of people off.
Quote from: Jockitch on June 29, 2022, 09:55:16 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-gaining-clarity-on-dubois-future-will-determine-off-season-approach/
Decent read
All I want is clarity on the players and coaches in flux and a direction from the team.
Sign 'em up and go for a play off run or trade 'em all and go for draft picks.
I just want to know.
Quote from: Jesse on June 30, 2022, 05:30:04 PM
More unexpected from MS, given the history and his well documented work ethic and goal setting early in his career, which is probably what set a lot of people off.
All I want is clarity on the players and coaches in flux and a direction from the team.
Sign 'em up and go for a play off run or trade 'em all and go for draft picks.
I just want to know.
Toxic attitude.
I expect we will be shipping you out after such a comment.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 30, 2022, 03:46:02 PM
Sorry, don't mean to intrude, I am sure your comment was directed at me, so I will respond to this. Its apples and orangutangs.
The player you are mentioning is in a leadership position and under a binding contract for a number of years, the other a pending free agent.
The situations are far from equal, and barely similar.
You didn't explain how they're different situations. Objectively, they're really not.
Quote from: Jesse on June 30, 2022, 05:30:04 PM
All I want is clarity on the players and coaches in flux and a direction from the team.
Sign 'em up and go for a play off run or trade 'em all and go for draft picks.
I just want to know.
You and everyone else. This has been agonizing.
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 30, 2022, 04:04:17 PM
Not that dissimilar. You are advocating for a leadership position for Dubois. Dubois is a restricted free agent who absolutely will be under contract if we want him to be for 2 years. Dubois is just as much a part of the team as Scheifele at this moment in time.
The "difference" is negligible, if not nonexistent. If the ship doesn't get turned around, the team could potentially lose both players in two years time.
And now it sounds like the Bruins are closing in on Montgomery as their next HC... Ugh.
This off-season is just garbage.
Rick Tocchet...new head coach??
seems I caught a text that Tocchet had been made an offer
The Winnipeg Jets and veteran coach Rick Bowness are working on finalizing his agreement to be the next coach of the Jets. This will end a thorough interview process for the @NHLJets that began with Barry Trotz as the target. Experience a key factor here.
From dreger
Not sure I like this....
https://www.tsn.ca/rick-bowness-winnipeg-jets-1.1819952?fbclid=IwAR2PRJZYyj-ledBl2gBSxOkihyjrOwGNpxAf9qo6MM3Keaw7Mls1hGW9c94
It now seems to be fact ....... Bowness is the "new" Jet Head Coach
on the fence with the choice
Well, they went and hired another 1.0 guy.
I don't think I could be more disappointed. Certainly not looking forward to next season.
Quote from: Jesse on July 01, 2022, 06:21:11 PM
Well, they went and hired another 1.0 guy.
I don't think I could be more disappointed. Certainly not looking forward to next season.
Gets a giant "yawn" from me....I still hold to the fact we should have started over with the GM position as well...stale Chevy isn't going to take this team further...
Lame signing.
Nice fifth line guy during 1.0
Entire career a door opener and screamer at refs.
His "Schtlick" is blatantly useless today.
If I am a. Player I am out of here. At the first opportunity.
Jets have zero in the pipeline other than role players at best.
I wouldn't be surprised if all their. Players making 4 million plus are out of here as soon as they can
Jets will be out of here in five years.
Chipman has a death wish to keep,Chevaldayoff. He can't build a sand castle. He gets a player here, and then the first chance they can they leave, they do so. Same old, no one wants to come here.
Pretty sad. We all have to move to a Someplace with low taxes.
Yikes. The glory years... 2018.
What a great exciting new signing! Who can see a 100 pt season? Raise your hand!
Anyone?
Buhler?
Pretty meh development. This has been the most frustrating off-season in a while, if not ever.
Move wreaks on old boys club lore down at true north. Jets mediocrity will continue. Chipman is more about keeping people happy than winning.
Still no official word, press release or the almighty Press Conference, announcing our new coach
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 02, 2022, 12:23:25 PM
Move wreaks on old boys club lore down at true north. Jets mediocrity will continue. Chipman is more about keeping people happy than winning.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: Jesse on July 02, 2022, 08:19:51 PM
Hiring Ex-jets...
This and Chipman always seems to hire people whom has a history with him or the Jets. Chevy is never going anywhere plus Zinger Huddy Vincent Flaherty are all classic examples and are only released after super extended terrible play periods.. It is retread central with the Jets. It is not confidence inspiring.
To get, we the fans, a little more amped with the ?Bones? signing, it would be really terrific to hear
names of assistant coaches to gain our early confidence
Heard Arniel?s name mentioned weeks earlier as potential assistant ??. works for me
Quote from: Jesse on July 02, 2022, 08:19:51 PM
Hiring Ex-jets...
A totally different franchise/organization.
This isn't some "old boys club" hiring, though.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 03, 2022, 05:59:35 PM
A totally different franchise/organization.
This isn't some "old boys club" hiring, though.
You?re entitled to your opinion.
There is quite a long history of hiring practices within this organization that indicates otherwise though?
Quote from: Jesse on July 03, 2022, 07:10:34 PM
You?re entitled to your opinion.
There is quite a long history of hiring practices within this organization that indicates otherwise though?
Such as?
After Barry it did matter who we signed, most fans were not going to be happy.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 03, 2022, 10:46:53 PM
After Barry it did matter who we signed, most fans were not going to be happy.
100% and I freely admit I was going to be disappointed no matter what. But this kind of reeks of either having no viable options that wanted to come here - or just the buddy system.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 03, 2022, 08:31:49 PM
Such as?
Heisinger, Chevy, Claude Noel, Wade Flaherty, Mark Morrison, Eric Dubois, Drew Macintyre, Jimmy Roy, Mike Keane?.essentially the whole front office staff to be honest.
Now we?re going to hire Bowness, Arniel, and Baumgartner to make up our coaching staff.
Seriously, does that inspire confidence?
At best former fourth line guys or never we?re
I fear the leadership is severely absent.
Career non winners
Sorry, but this does not motivate me to purchase a ticket.
Quote from: DM83 on July 04, 2022, 12:17:10 PM
Seriously, does that inspire confidence?
At best former fourth line guys or never we?re
I fear the leadership is severely absent.
Career non winners
Sorry, but this does not motivate me to purchase a ticket.
I don't really care if the coach is a 1st. line or 4th. line former player. As long as he can help improve this team.
Quote from: Jesse on July 03, 2022, 11:16:26 PM
Heisinger, Chevy, Claude Noel, Wade Flaherty, Mark Morrison, Eric Dubois, Drew Macintyre, Jimmy Roy, Mike Keane?.essentially the whole front office staff to be honest.
Now we?re going to hire Bowness, Arniel, and Baumgartner to make up our coaching staff.
How are Cheveldayoff, Morrison, or Dubois "old boys club" hires? Also, the majority of those you named are all part of the Moose organization more than anything. Noel hasn't been here for over eight years and his replacement wasn't an "old boys club" hire, either.
Bowness has never been an employee of the Jets 2.0 in any capacity. Furthermore, who would be a better fit here based on Trotz declining and the Bruins getting the jump on Montgomery?
This whole narrative about favoritism seems like a weird hill upon which to die when complaining about Bowness being hired as HC. The valid criticism should be what he brings to the table as a coach, IMO.
Quote from: DM83 on July 04, 2022, 12:17:10 PM
Sorry, but this does not motivate me to purchase a ticket.
Then don't.
Been coaching since 1988, and only been in he playoffs 3 times, never won nothing. Nothing else to say. Do you think he?s amasingly going to start winning here?? No, we re not. Gross signing that screams we couldn?t get a real coach
Quote from: dd on July 04, 2022, 11:28:36 PM
Been coaching since 1988, and only been in he playoffs 3 times, never won nothing. Nothing else to say. Do you think he?s amasingly going to start winning here?? No, we re not. Gross signing that screams we couldn?t get a real coach
What "real" coach would you like instead? What an insipid comment.
And FWIW, he had a winning record in Dallas.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
How are Cheveldayoff, Morrison, or Dubois "old boys club" hires? Also, the majority of those you named are all part of the Moose organization more than anything. Noel hasn't been here for over eight years and his replacement wasn't an "old boys club" hire, either.
Bowness has never been an employee of the Jets 2.0 in any capacity. Furthermore, who would be a better fit here based on Trotz declining and the Bruins getting the jump on Montgomery?
This whole narrative about favoritism seems like a weird hill upon which to die when complaining about Bowness being hired as HC. The valid criticism should be what he brings to the table as a coach, IMO.
Then don't.
Moose Jets whatever lots of retreads from previous organizational relationships established. Sure there are a couple non club members but the re hashes are obvious. Arniel and Baumgartner back here only further solidifies my opinion. I think Chevy and Chipman had a previous forged relationship as executives in the AHL prior to Jets 2.0.
Who knows how many actual other options the Jets had is the other angle. How many wanted to come here to be HC? Certainly Trotz did not after two visits here. Cassidy likely did not even consider here.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
How are Cheveldayoff, Morrison, or Dubois "old boys club" hires? Also, the majority of those you named are all part of the Moose organization more than anything. Noel hasn't been here for over eight years and his replacement wasn't an "old boys club" hire, either.
Bowness has never been an employee of the Jets 2.0 in any capacity. Furthermore, who would be a better fit here based on Trotz declining and the Bruins getting the jump on Montgomery?
This whole narrative about favoritism seems like a weird hill upon which to die when complaining about Bowness being hired as HC. The valid criticism should be what he brings to the table as a coach, IMO.
Then don't.
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make - it's pretty well established that this organization feels more comfortable hiring those which with they've had a previous relationship. That's why there are so many former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there. They are loyal to those who have been loyal to them - for better or for worse.
You going to tell me that Bowness called all his people and Arniel and Baumgardner were the top names who got back to him? Or that True North said, these are guys we know who need work?
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2022, 03:48:18 AM
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make - it's pretty well established that this organization feels more comfortable hiring those which with they've had a previous relationship. That's why there are so many former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there. They are loyal to those who have been loyal to them - for better or for worse.
You going to tell me that Bowness called all his people and Arniel and Baumgardner were the top names who got back to him? Or that True North said, these are guys we know who need work?
My point is the "old boys club" narrative is a fabricated one and I provided the rationale and coaches to show why that is. The "loyalty over winning" narrative is also pretty weak considering how - outside of this past season* - the team's done more winning than losing in recent history.
The Jets didn't get the man they wanted to be HC; he declined. What more qualified coaches currently unemployed would you prefer to see? Is there a better option than Bowness? I can't think of one.
I'm at a loss to understand what you mean by "former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there." Unless you're saying the AHL side of the operation is loyal to former Moose players, in which case I'd agree. But the Moose aren't the team that needed new coaches, so it's a bit of a moot point.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot NHL organizations operate with loyalty in mind? The Jets aren't some unique case from what I can tell.
The presser this morning made me at least cautiously optimistic about the new head coach, who made it sound like he's going to tackle the issues head on and fix what needs fixing. The talent is there.
*
and there were several factors that played into it, far more relevant than "loyalty to familiar faces" or what have you
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 05, 2022, 05:05:49 AM
My point is the "old boys club" narrative is a fabricated one and I provided the rationale and coaches to show why that is. The "loyalty over winning" narrative is also pretty weak considering how - outside of this past season* - the team's done more winning than losing in recent history.
The Jets didn't get the man they wanted to be HC; he declined. What more qualified coaches currently unemployed would you prefer to see? Is there a better option than Bowness? I can't think of one.
I'm at a loss to understand what you mean by "former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there." Unless you're saying the AHL side of the operation is loyal to former Moose players, in which case I'd agree. But the Moose aren't the team that needed new coaches, so it's a bit of a moot point.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot NHL organizations operate with loyalty in mind? The Jets aren't some unique case from what I can tell.
The presser this morning made me at least cautiously optimistic about the new head coach, who made it sound like he's going to tackle the issues head on and fix what needs fixing. The talent is there.
* and there were several factors that played into it, far more relevant than "loyalty to familiar faces" or what have you
Well, we just don't agree then.
It seems clear to me that our organization hires people from their past - and that is evidenced by the amount of people retained from the Moose years.
You believe they are hiring who they feel are qualified.
I think we are at an impasse.
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2022, 05:11:32 AM
Well, we just don't agree then.
It seems clear to me that our organization hires people from their past - and that is evidenced by the amount of people retained from the Moose years.
You believe they are hiring who they feel are qualified.
I think we are at an impasse.
It's both. They are hiring people whom they feel are qualified for sure. But TSNE also values familiarity to a certain extent. Maybe more than some other organizations. They do like to promote from within and they do have a certain "type". Character and familiarity are things that TSNE believes are important factors in the hiring process (or to their definition of "qualified" as you put it).
The draft is on Thursday with our 1st pick it would be nice to land, Slafkovsky, Jiricek, Geekie.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 05, 2022, 08:19:14 PM
The draft is on Thursday with our 1st pick it would be nice to land, Slafkovsky, Jiricek, Geekie.
I'm not really that high on Geekie.
Seems like an Adam Lowry clone to me and not worth a first rounder.
As I needed a refresher, I googled ?Dubois wants out of Columbus?
Read 3 links and parts of a couple and for me it screams of a player simply wanting a big stage
Quote from: Jockitch on July 06, 2022, 01:44:58 AM
As I needed a refresher, I googled ?Dubois wants out of Columbus?
Read 3 links and parts of a couple and for me it screams of a player simply wanting a big stage
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PL80 just didn't get along with JT in Columbus.
Not sure what he's trying to pull off here.
I don't think he's pulling off anything. It seemed like he was upfront with the organization about his aspirations based on how last season went and whatever issues exist within the locker room and team culture.
If the new coaching staff can address and resolve those issues, we could see Dubois change his tune. The roster's leadership also needs to step up and help get things back on track again, too.
Here's hoping they're all successful and we can talk about a playoff run next spring.
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2022, 05:11:32 AM
Well, we just don't agree then.
It seems clear to me that our organization hires people from their past - and that is evidenced by the amount of people retained from the Moose years.
You believe they are hiring who they feel are qualified.
I think we are at an impasse.
I think they hired who was available and willing to come to Winnipeg, as others wouldn?t.
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2022, 06:40:09 AM
I think they hired who was available and willing to come to Winnipeg, as others wouldn?t.
That's probably fair too.
It just sucks, sometimes.
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2022, 06:40:09 AM
I think they hired who was available and willing to come to Winnipeg, as others wouldn?t.
very well could be.
Difference ?? in Columbus he spoke to organization but nothing was divulged to journalists
After his 3 year entry level contract he spoke quietly of his desire. Players were told after he signed that
short 2 years at $5.M and shortly into season he landed here.
Sadly, IMO, he went vocal publicly, no doubt after getting a blah, blah from Chevy. Letting the world know just reeks of ________ . immaturity is one word that comes to mind
I have no idea who McGroarty is. Sounds like he put up some good numbers in junior, though.
Liking Lambert at 30th overall. His upside is very high; he just needs to have fun with the game again.
And it addresses a need at the wing if he can realize his potential.
Lambert is a very quick dynamic player who has great puck control. Let's hope he can return to form of a couple of years ago. Like him at 30.
Wasn't sure about our 1st. pick with Lekkerimaki and Kemell still on the board. Both smaller talented RW's.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 08, 2022, 03:59:33 AM
Wasn't sure about our 1st. pick with Lekkerimaki and Kemell still on the board. Both smaller talented RW's.
The player I wanted went one pick before. I think a few of the guys the Jets might have picked went early.
But in the context of the first round: we used our first pick on a consistent, hard working, high motor guy. Captain of the US team. High character. We used our second pick on the ultra-athletic, inconsistent player who may be the steal of the draft if he can put it all together.
One safe pick, one risky pick.
Jets take RHD Elias Salomonsson with the 55th overall pick in round 2.
Salomonsson (D), Zhilkin (C), Brown (D), Wagner (C).
And that's a wrap.
1 - 14 - Rutger Mcgroarty (RW)
1 - 30 - Brad Lambert (C)
2 - 55 - Elias Salomonsson (D)
3 - 77 - Danil Zhilkin (C)
4 - 99 - Garrett Brown (D)
6 - 175 - Fabian Wagner (C)
7 - 207 - Dominic DiVincetiis (G)
hopefully in a few years, a couple of these fellas are welcomed by a huge cheer from we Jet fans
Lambert is the only player in the pile that I have seen a few times. When he wants to play, he has a lot of talent.
Prior to UFA market opening on Wednesday the Jets did not make an offer sheet to Svechnikov
....... talented but maybe he will get to play with his brother in Carolina
Vesalainen to play in Europe next year??
Quote from: Pigskin on July 12, 2022, 02:48:35 AM
Vesalainen to play in Europe next year??
That was his plan.
On another note...what the H E double hockey sticks is going on?
FA is tomorrow and we still don't have a Wheeler resolution? Are we trading one of our D? If we wait until after all the chips have settled it's going to be too late.
No QO for Svechnikov is disappointing.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2022, 04:13:48 PM
No QO for Svechnikov is disappointing.
Meh. Doesn't really register for me.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2022, 04:13:48 PM
No QO for Svechnikov is disappointing.
I agree with Jesse Svech was nothing to marvel at. Very inconsistent.
Firstly ?? big Congrats to Eric Comrie on signing in Buffalo for 2 yrs with a nice bump in $$
Now does that make Berdin the backup or is Chevy going to surprise us
I hope he has something up his sleeve. It's been quiet so far in Jetsville.
Does he bring in a Louis Domingue or Kevin Lankinen to challenge the backup role
Within a 1/2 hour caught that Domingue signed ?cheaply? with Rangers
Rittich signed to compete for HellB?s net buddy
Nice signing for the Jets. He's a solid netminder.
Hey how about them Jets? ThatnChevaldayoff is some Wheeler and dealer is Cheveldayoff even part of the the Organization?
Lots of Free agent signings.
More importantly...I know this will all boost ticket sales.on
Next!
Well, sounds like the plan is do go with the same line-up as last season...
Still a few months before puck drop but I do hope that Schmidt's contract can get moved
Also is it really possible that Chevy finds a dance partner for Wheel's contract from his 5 Team list ??
Quote from: Jesse on July 13, 2022, 10:15:56 PM
Well, sounds like the plan is do go with the same line-up as last season...
Expect the same result...stand Pat Chevy...lots of empty seats this upcoming season..
Team sucks and won't improve until they sell and commit to a full reebuild
Not sure what anyone was expecting the Jets to do yesterday. They've rarely made a big splash in free agency, if ever. Even after worse seasons than the last one.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 14, 2022, 01:14:47 PM
Not sure what anyone was expecting the Jets to do yesterday. They've rarely made a big splash in free agency, if ever. Even after worse seasons than the last one.
We've been expecting trades to free up cap space.
We need more forwards to fill a line-up and it would be smart to move from one or two of our vet Dmen to free up space for the younger players.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2022, 01:22:23 AM
Expect the same result...stand Pat Chevy...lots of empty seats this upcoming season..
^this PLD is crying in the media wanting to go to Montreal. Sounds like he wants out! Pity.
Quote from: Jesse on July 14, 2022, 05:25:26 PM
We've been expecting trades to free up cap space.
We need more forwards to fill a line-up and it would be smart to move from one or two of our vet Dmen to free up space for the younger players.
Just because nothing has materialized doesn't mean negotiations aren't taking place. We're barely a day into free agency.
There's no sense making a trade if it doesn't benefit the team, anyway.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 14, 2022, 06:44:27 PM
^this PLD is crying in the media wanting to go to Montreal. Sounds like he wants out! Pity.
Yeah, that never happened. Dubois didn't cry about anything.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 14, 2022, 07:14:30 PM
Just because nothing has materialized doesn't mean negotiations aren't taking place. We're barely a day into free agency.
There's no sense making a trade if it doesn't benefit the team, anyway.
Yeah, that never happened. Dubois didn't cry about anything.
his Agent Pat Brisson just said in the media PLD would like to play in Montreal. So there is that!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 15, 2022, 03:48:06 AM
his Agent Pat Brisson just said in the media PLD would like to play in Montreal. So there is that!
Brisson said a few things to TVA Sports, a pretty biased-to-the-Habs media outlet. But Dubois never cried to anyone.
Sanford signs with Nashville, 1 year/$850K.
PL80 attended the draft thinking he was going to be traded to Montreal?? Not sure how many of these reports are true, but what does Montreal have that we need or want?
Quote from: Pigskin on July 17, 2022, 03:20:16 AM
PL80 attended the draft thinking he was going to be traded to Montreal?? Not sure how many of these reports are true, but what does Montreal have that we need or want?
The only players we want are ones they are unwilling to trade.
And other teams won?t give us value because he?s already announced he?s going to Montreal.
We are boned. He?ll net us some crappy draft picks at a trade deadline in the next year or two and we lost Laine for nothing.
Quote from: Jesse on July 17, 2022, 04:32:32 AM
The only players we want are ones they are unwilling to trade.
And other teams won?t give us value because he?s already announced he?s going to Montreal.
We are boned. He?ll net us some crappy draft picks at a trade deadline in the next year or two and we lost Laine for nothing.
Mite have to be a three team trade?
Apparently his agent reupped the words on PLD wanting to play for the Habs
So with that in mind ?? how bout Chevy gets the Habs 1 st pick in next year?s Draft
Plus 26 yr old Center C. Dvorak, who can be a decent 2nd line centre. Terrific faceoff man & kills penalties
Plus youngish forward Jake Evans who is a very good skater, kills penalties & depth for bottom 6.
Habs might want a starting Dman, who Jets have depth in.
Perhaps we force them to take on Schmidt?s contract and we take someone like Anderson
How bad does Montreal want PL80? How about Slafkovsky, Dvorak, and Guhle for PL80 and NS88, and we look at Klingberg.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 17, 2022, 04:17:31 PM
How bad does Montreal want PL80? How about Slafkovsky, Dvorak, and Guhle for PL80 and NS88, and we look at Klingberg.
Not bad but thinking Guhle would be hard to get in the above scenario
Quote from: Pigskin on July 17, 2022, 04:17:31 PM
How bad does Montreal want PL80? How about Slafkovsky, Dvorak, and Guhle for PL80 and NS88, and we look at Klingberg.
They can get him for free in two years.
It would be nice to do it sooner rather than later, but he's not bringing in value.
Quote from: Jesse on July 17, 2022, 07:46:27 PM
They can get him for free in two years.
It would be nice to do it sooner rather than later, but he's not bringing in value.
I don't think there is anyway Montreal is giving up Suzuki. They want Suzuki and PL80 as there 1/1A centers.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 18, 2022, 03:15:31 AM
I don't think there is anyway Montreal is giving up Suzuki. They want Suzuki and PL80 as there 1/1A centers.
Nope. They?ll offer us trash.
What the hell is wrong with Pierre-Luc Dubois? Pretty much the epitome of an entitled athlete who's proven nothing.
He pulled this crap in junior. He pulled this crap in Columbus. And now he's pulled it here barely a year and a half after seeming pretty happy to join this organization and be a part of it.
He declined his QO from the Jets, so this doesn't necessarily help him. If the Habs toss him an offer sheet, all the Jets have to do is match it and he doesn't go anywhere.
He and his clown agent going public like this, plus his little stunt at the draft, only seems to have reinforced what a self-centered turd he is.
What sucks the most in all of this is that the team had to move Laine as a result.
EDIT: Maybe I overreacted a bit here. :D
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2022, 05:14:18 PM
What the hell is wrong with Pierre-Luc Dubois? Pretty much the epitome of an entitled athlete who's proven nothing.
He pulled this crap in junior. He pulled this crap in Columbus. And now he's pulled it here barely a year and a half after seeming pretty happy to join this organization and be a part of it.
He declined his QO from the Jets, so this doesn't necessarily help him. If the Habs toss him an offer sheet, all the Jets have to do is match it and he doesn't go anywhere.
He and his clown agent going public like this, plus his little stunt at the draft, only seems to have reinforced what a self-centered turd he is.
What sucks the most in all of this is that the team had to move Laine as a result.
OK so now we agree PLD and his agent are pulling BS In public? You were denying this earlier.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 18, 2022, 08:19:56 PM
OK so now we agree PLD and his agent are pulling BS In public? You were denying this earlier.
I didn't deny anything. I said it was his agent who made the statement, which was accurate at the time. New information came out since then (about Dubois attending the draft and reportedly anticipating a trade), which obviously changes the complexion of the situation and thus, my opinion.
Don't quote me on this but driving home yesterday I briefly heard who I believe was Brian Munz, comment on Dubois
Regarding the supposed attendance at the Draft in Montreal by PLD & his family ........ he stated, not verbatim, that it was highly unlikely
In no uncertain order; why was there not a single posting of a picture on social media with the many thousands in attendance ?
how did the Dubois family stay sheltered, basically in hiding, from journalists, other organizations, etc..
the father Eric, think that's his name, is employed by the Moose and it would be unethical for him to remain hidden
Anyways, it was a few reasons like that which has me confirming why I thought the rumor was or is bunk
Neither Murat Ates nor Arpon Basu gave up their source's name but in their combined article in The Athletic last Friday, that source confirmed Dubois attended the draft in Montreal the week prior. Nothing was ever stated regarding whether members of his family were also there, though.
Reporting on that without confirmation could damage the credibility of both writers, so it seems odd they'd report it had it been just a rumour.
well whatever was right or wrong about his possible presence ...... might the Habs fling an offer sheet Chevy's way
The return would be something like their first picks in Rd 1,2 & 3 ........ hmmmmm ?
Jets add Brad Lauer as assistant coach: https://whl.ca/article/oil-kings-head-coach-brad-lauer-hired-by-winnipeg-jets (https://whl.ca/article/oil-kings-head-coach-brad-lauer-hired-by-winnipeg-jets)
Darren Dreger just tweeted Dubois has accepted his QO, 1 year, $6M AAV.
https://www.tsn.ca/pierre-luc-dubois-winnipeg-jets-qualifying-offer-1.1828279 (https://www.tsn.ca/pierre-luc-dubois-winnipeg-jets-qualifying-offer-1.1828279)
Chevy keeps PLD on the cheap.
So perhaps we start the season with 2 above average C?s ready to compete.
No doubt with all our fingers crossed for a great start
https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-pierre-luc-dubois-1.1829126 (https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-pierre-luc-dubois-1.1829126)
Good interview with Dubois earlier today.
Checking Cap Friendly it?s easy to realize that Dallas need to free up $$
They have 2 bright future assets in Otteinger & Robertson who need contracts
Has Chevy, hopefully, asked Bowness of his opinion of some bottom 6 forwards
Quote from: Jockitch on August 02, 2022, 06:12:25 AM
Checking Cap Friendly it?s easy to realize that Dallas need to free up $$
They have 2 bright future assets in Otteinger & Robertson who need contracts
Has Chevy, hopefully, asked Bowness of his opinion of some bottom 6 forwards
We can't go into the season as we are.
Seems like an easy fix to trade a dman for a forward - but it seems like the fixed cap has a bunch of GMs in trouble.
As the Oilers need to lessen their pay roll should Chevy consider, though it's not always great to trade within your own Division .....
....... moving a Dman, perhaps Heinola or Stanley for Yamamoto or Puljujarvi
personally like Kailer's compete ...... but Jesse P., certainly could excel in front of the net
Oh and both are RH shooters ...... with Yamamoto having PK experience and both familiar to PP time
I liked that we locked down App's for the next three years. I am hearing 2M, 2.25M, 2.25M.
I am really shocked with the inactivity of the Jets. This team really need a 4th line.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 09, 2022, 06:17:13 PM
I am really shocked with the inactivity of the Jets. This team really need a 4th line.
Who would you like them to sign?
sign veteran UFA, Tyler Motte, who is only 27, for the 4th line
His offence on either wing, is like a 4th liner. He takes the body, 117 hits in 58 gms. without many PM, and can kill penalties
Even a long shot signing would be Sam Gagner.
Played to just a -4 in Detroit in 81 gms., scored 13 times as a bottom 6 fwd., can skate, kill penalties
Quote from: Jockitch on August 09, 2022, 07:21:46 PM
sign veteran UFA, Tyler Motte, who is only 27, for the 4th line
His offence on either wing, is like a 4th liner. He takes the body, 117 hits in 58 gms. without many PM, and can kill penalties
Even a long shot signing would be Sam Gagner.
Played to just a -4 in Detroit in 81 gms., scored 13 times as a bottom 6 fwd., can skate, kill penalties
Getting Stastny sign would be a good start.
Both would be good 4th line players. Have got time to look at the list right now, busy netting fish for the Grandson's.
It looks like Micheal Stone is still out there. Big physical D man. Played for $750K last year. Could add some toughness to our D.
Stastny seems like a no brainer. I'm surprised he hasn't signed anywhere yet.
Stone could be an interesting addition. RHD with plenty of grit.
Jets re-sign C David Gustafsson to a two-way contract, two years, $775K AAV.
It's time for him to step up. 28 games with the Jets. 1G, -3. He's also had a few injuries.
Quote from: Jockitch on August 09, 2022, 07:21:46 PM
sign veteran UFA, Tyler Motte, who is only 27, for the 4th line
His offence on either wing, is like a 4th liner. He takes the body, 117 hits in 58 gms. without many PM, and can kill penalties
Even a long shot signing would be Sam Gagner.
Played to just a -4 in Detroit in 81 gms., scored 13 times as a bottom 6 fwd., can skate, kill penalties
Motte would an interesting pickup.
I miss Buff.
Quote from: jets4life on September 07, 2022, 07:21:46 PM
I miss Buff.
Same. Team hasn't been the same since he left.
Although, he's 37 now. I'm not sure how effective he'd still be considering his playing style and injuries.
Buff another loafer?????
Today he'd be worth 9 mill. plus he could still have another 5 years left.