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Title: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: bluebeard on October 17, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
Hervey quits GM position in BC.

Was he pushed in that direction or for other reasons.  He gave personal reason for his departure but he left Edmonton for other... supposedly not being able to get along with others.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Leroy Brown on October 17, 2020, 10:38:01 PM
It will go down as the worst job Ed Hervey ever had. He never had the support from McEvoy who was ticked about not getting the job in the first place. He got one year with his coach and then was over ruled on that. I thought Claybrooks did a decent job and deserved more time.

Only thing bad was that the season got cancelled and Rick Campbell gets the free pass and a promotion without having to play a game and show it was a good move.

Not sure what is going on with John Murphy in TO but believe Pinball is the GM right now. Ed Hervey would be a good fit. Hard worker and a good football man. A guy that players will play for imo.

Alternatively Kyle Walters was 14 - 34 after three years when he was extended for another three. Sometimes patience pays.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: ModAdmin on October 18, 2020, 03:33:42 AM
CFL.ca Staff

VANCOUVER - The BC Lions Football Club announced today that Ed Hervey has advised the club that he is stepping down from his position of General Manager for personal reasons.

Hervey joined the Lions in December 2017 after a lengthy football career both as a player, and in personnel management, in Edmonton.

In a team-issued statement, Lions President Rick LeLacheur thanked Hervey saying, "While the CFL is not playing this year and our roster is currently set, Head Coach Rick Campbell and Director, Football Operations Neil McEvoy will work together with the Lions scouting staff to ensure continuity in Football Operations."

More to come ...


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: TecnoGenius on October 18, 2020, 05:39:30 AM
It will go down as the worst job Ed Hervey ever had. He never had the support from McEvoy who was ticked about not getting the job in the first place. He got one year with his coach and then was over ruled on that. I thought Claybrooks did a decent job and deserved more time.

I don't know.  Hervey really botched BC's 2019 season.  I mean really made it a shambles.  And many of us saw it coming (like me) well before the first pre-season game.  He inherited a decent team (Buono was perennially decent to strong, never weak) and made it garbage.  BC was the 2019 laughing stock of the league.

Claybrooks was never HC material.  The proof will be that he'll never be a HC anywhere again.  How many games did TSN show BC losing badly and Claybrooks was on the sidelines with that deer-in-the-headlights look and tongue sticking out?  He was out of his league.  He should have stayed in CGY as DC, where he was pretty successful.

So does Campbell take over as GM in BC, in addition to his HC job?  Maybe with the office-cap, and even tighter constraints in 2021, the GM/HC combo job is the new way to go.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Leroy Brown on October 18, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
With all due respect you can't say Devone Claybrooks was not head coaching material after one year given the first years of Mike O'Shea. Far to early to say he won't coach again as well. He would be a good fit along with Hervey to go to Toronto. Pinball is not a GM and their coaching staff is vey young. Giant moot point given no CFL.

BC was playing good defence down the stretch last season and the Reilly thing is not on Claybrooks. Playoffs were a long shot after their start but they were in it until MR went down. To think Fajardo and Lulay were already there the year before. Rick Campbell was 3 - 15 so what makes him so special. I think BC would have been worse this year. Bombers fighting for third again as far as that goes.

Mike O'Shea popularized the deer in the headlights look. Somehow he gets away with it.

Everyone entitled to their own opinion and nice to talk football. Time to watch the Charles Roberts highlight mix again.





I don't know.  Hervey really botched BC's 2019 season.  I mean really made it a shambles.  And many of us saw it coming (like me) well before the first pre-season game.  He inherited a decent team (Buono was perennially decent to strong, never weak) and made it garbage.  BC was the 2019 laughing stock of the league.

Claybrooks was never HC material.  The proof will be that he'll never be a HC anywhere again.  How many games did TSN show BC losing badly and Claybrooks was on the sidelines with that deer-in-the-headlights look and tongue sticking out?  He was out of his league.  He should have stayed in CGY as DC, where he was pretty successful.

So does Campbell take over as GM in BC, in addition to his HC job?  Maybe with the office-cap, and even tighter constraints in 2021, the GM/HC combo job is the new way to go.



Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: TecnoGenius on October 19, 2020, 05:56:15 AM
With all due respect you can't say Devone Claybrooks was not head coaching material after one year given the first years of Mike O'Shea. Far to early to say he won't coach again as well. He would be a good fit along with Hervey to go to Toronto. Pinball is not a GM and their coaching staff is vey young. Giant moot point given no CFL.

Mike O'Shea popularized the deer in the headlights look. Somehow he gets away with it.

I think I can.  MOS's deer/headlights looks in the past were only (I'm convinced) a function of just having hit the smelling salts.  Zones him out for a few secs.

Claybrooks had that look during nearly every 2nd half of every game.  And that tongue sticking out.  And the crooked cap.  And the big belly rubs like he's currently a DT...  All those things are not "HC material" things.  You can't just overlook them.  The players will not take you seriously.  You can't be "one of the guys", you have to be their leader, dad, uncle, boss: all in one.

Name me one other HC in the CFL (or NFL!!) that has any one of those oddities, let alone all of them.  Better yet, name me one successful HC.

Rick Campbell was 3 - 15 so what makes him so special. I think BC would have been worse this year. Bombers fighting for third again as far as that goes.

Campbell has a GC as HC within 3 years (on an expansion team no less), that's what makes him "so special".  Of course we'll never know if Claybrooks staying on would give a better result than Campbell, but I think Campbell will get them to a better place faster than Claybrooks.  Obviously the brain(/money)-trust at BC thinks so too.

I think the final proof will be that Campbell will be a HC in the CFL for another 10 years.  Claybrooks will be lucky to be a DC somewhere again -- and will never get another HC gig.

And to prove that I'm not just bashing BC, I thought it was great that Hervey goes down onto the field during games (even away games) to look serious and stern to let the players know he's watching them and aiming for their heads.  He did that last year with the Lions, and it's not the first time.  It's pretty ironic that BC had such a hardnosed GM who then picked a total clown as a HC.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if behind the scenes MR made a stink to Hervey/board about Claybrooks and had a hand in his firing.  If I was MR, I wouldn't want to suffer another year under hat/belly/tongue-man.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: bluebeard on October 19, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
How about this.  As Braley has stated in the past that he wants out as owner in the CFL by the time he turns 75 and is past that...he has made a tentative deal with new ownership on the condition that Hervey is not with the club.  Stranger things have happened in the past. ;)


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: blue newt on October 19, 2020, 03:41:38 PM
Claybrooks had that look during nearly every 2nd half of every game.  And that tongue sticking out.  And the crooked cap.  And the big belly rubs like he's currently a DT...  All those things are not "HC material" things. 

I don't think I understand how someone wears their hat makes them a bad coach or a good coach.  O'Shea doesn't exactly dress to impress and we don't negatively judge him for it.  Why is a crooked cap any different?  I really don't understand this line of reasoning.

It has nothing to do with his wardrobe choices or tongue placement.  Claybrooks just didn't do a great job his first year.  I wasn't surprised to hear he was let go, but I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd kept him another year, because rarely do first year coaches do well.  I suspect there were issues in how he was handling things off the field in addition to the game stats, for them to completely give up on him.



Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Leroy Brown on October 19, 2020, 04:46:56 PM

Name me one other HC in the CFL (or NFL!!) that has any one of those oddities, let alone all of them.  Better yet, name me one successful HC.


No one out did Mike O'Shea when it comes to looking unkempt. He has moderately improved but he was one up from a squeegie person at one point. Yeah I know, FIFO.

I appreciate your enthusiasm but go check your replays one frame at a time and you will see Devone Claybrooks was pretty buff and not the guy you are describing. I think he would do as well as any in a cage match competition of 2019 CFL coaches.

Rick Campbell cut Purifoy and AC Leonard over nothing. They are stars in the league and Sask is lucky Chris Jones picked them up (Winnipeg turned up their nose as they did with Vernon Adams). JFG was cut after fumbling a punt right after the game. Ditto Ryan Lankford. Campbell pointed fingers at everyone under the sun and then sulked off. Ottawa is much better off without him.

Another reason to suspect Ed Hervey had no say is that they could have hired Jason Maas who has a pretty good track record as an offensive planner. There is a power struggle going on in BC. Maybe it is now resolved.

It's all speculation. Unfortunately we will never know how 2020 would have played out. I was looking forward to more Lucky Whitehead.



Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: TecnoGenius on October 20, 2020, 05:51:36 AM
I don't think I understand how someone wears their hat makes them a bad coach or a good coach.  O'Shea doesn't exactly dress to impress and we don't negatively judge him for it.  Why is a crooked cap any different?  I really don't understand this line of reasoning.

It has nothing to do with his wardrobe choices or tongue placement.

You both conveniently leave out the "eating" tummy rub Claybrooks did after some big D play in a '19 game (don't remember which one, but any CFL fan who watches all games will remember it).

Pretty sure no HC in either league has ever done that.

Maybe you can get away with the deer look, maybe the tongue, maybe the cap... but certainly not all combined.  And top it all off with that fat-belly tummy rub and I'm telling you guys that players won't take you seriously.  Because in his mind he was still a player, and a HC can't be a player.  The players won't respect you and what you end up with is 2019 BC Lions.

Don't you remember that one game midway through the season where they showed DC coming off the field and he's yelling at Claybrooks for 3 minutes telling him what he should be doing and Claybrooks is just doing his silent deer look?  The players see ultimate clown-boy DC yelling at the HC and the HC isn't doing anything about it??  Instant loss of respect.  Give me more time and I'll remember more televised examples of why Claybrooks never was HC material.

Not saying Campbell is perfect, and sure he's made dumb moves (though was it him or the GM?), but he has one of the coolest/calmest sideline demeanours in all of the CFL.

The theory about Hervey out because of new ownership / cleaning house may be part of the answer.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Leroy Brown on October 20, 2020, 02:38:27 PM
I do recall a goofy short kick against the Bombers that gave up great field position. May have been the 2nd game after both Janarion Grant and Lucky had already struck fear into the kick return. Didn't see it again so maybe they thought the same.

I agree with the OP about the hat. He could wear a thong on his head and if the record was good people would eat it up and be wearing them themselves.

How is it cool that Mike Reilly can dress like a proper English gentleman wearing a bowler and no one says anything? That's more weird than Claybrooks wearing a cap inside out and backwards which was also cool at one time.

MOS has not done well separating his public image from that of his players. What happens in the dressing room or a night club.....

We can disagree about DC as well. He brought a lot to the league. I would love to see him back. 2017 Eastern semi final in Ottawa he was 14 receptions for 200 + yds. 2018 training camp he is playing db. He wasn't expensive. Replaced by Caleb Holley in BC is a downgrade imo.



Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: TBURGESS on October 20, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
Claybrooks failed big time as a HC in BC. No, it's not because of the way he dressed or because of his tummy rub. It's because he used inexperienced coaches and because he didn't protect his all star quality QB. I'd be very surprised if he gets another HC shot in the next 5 years and equally surprised if he doesn't get another DC job next year.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Leroy Brown on October 20, 2020, 07:09:41 PM
Not arguing, just talking football.

It wasn't Claybrooks who didn't resign Jovan Olifoye and what is the first thing they do for 2020 but to sign Ryker Matthews. Thats prime beef with Ryker and Joel Figueroa now. Claybrooks got Bruce Boyko and was told to make it work. Not a fan of Mike Reilly's 5 step drop on every play either. Almost 50 sacks so some must have been on him. I think the Lions record would have been just as good if not better with Travis Lulay with money left over to pay Sol E. and others.

As far as inexperienced coaches they went right back to it and signed Jordan Maksymic with Danny OBrien and Jason Tucker. Seems like Mike Reilly is calling the shots.

My take is that both Ed Hervey and Devone Claybrooks were caught up in a transition from Wally that was not supported by long time employees. I was always curious about LeLacheur and his role and Edmonton connection. My question is why didn't Wally hire McEvoy?  Good for the team that it is done

Toronto is not better off with Dinwiddie and Pinball for one.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on October 22, 2020, 01:36:29 AM
Claybrooks had the chance and he blew it.  Looks like Hervey got slack for that and was shown the door as well.  Let's see how things go.  Sooner or later, Lulay will be back in BC I believe.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: TecnoGenius on October 22, 2020, 06:13:32 AM
Not arguing, just talking football.

No need to constantly apologize.  Your opinion is as valid as my opinion (or anyone's) and I like reading all the opinions.  If one doesn't like reading different opinions, best not come to a fan forum!  Some people think an attack on "their guy" is personal, but it's usually just football banter.  Heck knows I got a ton of grief since 2015 for being Nichols' #1 fan.  I've also always been a JFG fan... but that one worked out better now that he's back! (Just no 40 yard rails!!)  :D

I think the Lions record would have been just as good if not better with Travis Lulay with money left over to pay Sol E. and others.

100% yes.  Lions with Lulay or Fajardo and money for some OL upgrades and Solly would have won at least 5 more games.  Tying up the $$ in MR and letting Solly go were the most dumbheaded moves in the history of the CFL.  Solly basically made every tackle that SSK got in 2019 and nearly singlehandedly stopped WPG from winning the WDF.

Toronto is not better off with Dinwiddie and Pinball for one.

I disagree.  Pinball is probably the best thing to happen to them in a decade.  As long as he doesn't try to do it all himself, as long as he surrounds himself with quality guys, he'll do well in the suckage East.  Dinwiddie I'm on the fence.  I'd say give him a chance.  But guys who leave the CGY system often turn out to be mediocre on their own (ehem Claybrooks cough cough).


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: the paw on October 22, 2020, 01:43:41 PM
Just to be clear, Hervey stepped away of his own volition, he wasn't canned.  That's been made clear in a number of stories.

He hasn't officially defined the "personal reasons" but Hervey has an underlying health condition, and apparently some members of his family do as well.  The implication is that with COVID-19 sucking up all his concern and energy, he didn't feel like he could give proper attention to the job, so he stepped away. 

It has nothing to do with Braley, Ladouceur, or a delayed reaction to the Claybrooks firing. 


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Leroy Brown on October 22, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
No need to constantly apologize.  Your opinion is as valid as my opinion (or anyone's) and I like reading all the opinions.  If one doesn't like reading different opinions, best not come to a fan forum!  Some people think an attack on "their guy" is personal, but it's usually just football banter.  Heck knows I got a ton of grief since 2015 for being Nichols' #1 fan.  I've also always been a JFG fan... but that one worked out better now that he's back! (Just no 40 yard rails!!)  :D

Sometimes the contrarian view point is not well received. One of my fav posters over the years was Northern Skunk fighting his daily battles to consider alternatives. Not seeing him here lately. Other sites are just as bad.

For the record my dad took me to my first game in 1968. We sat on the west side before the upper decks were built. BC hung a licking on the team with Jim Evason having a big game. Pierre Guindon was the Bomber kicker in the days when kickers were often linemen. To say it was a high light would be an understatement. Followed pretty closely ever since. Still love the game but not liking the direction and wishing it was more about the fans and players. Maybe it will be when there are none left.  


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: Pigskin on October 22, 2020, 02:18:07 PM
Just to be clear, Hervey stepped away of his own volition, he wasn't canned.  That's been made clear in a number of stories.

He hasn't officially defined the "personal reasons" but Hervey has an underlying health condition, and apparently some members of his family do as well.  The implication is that with COVID-19 sucking up all his concern and energy, he didn't feel like he could give proper attention to the job, so he stepped away. 

It has nothing to do with Braley, Ladouceur, or a delayed reaction to the Claybrooks firing. 

And that's a fact, Nice.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: blue_or_die on October 22, 2020, 04:22:38 PM
Sometimes the contrarian view point is not well received. One of my fav posters over the years was Northern Skunk fighting his daily battles to consider alternatives. Not seeing him here lately. Other sites are just as bad.

For the record my dad took me to my first game in 1968. We sat on the west side before the upper decks were built. BC hung a licking on the team with Jim Evason having a big game. Pierre Guindon was the Bomber kicker in the days when kickers were often linemen. To say it was a high light would be an understatement. Followed pretty closely ever since. Still love the game but not liking the direction and wishing it was more about the fans and players. Maybe it will be when there are none left.  

 :D :D :D

#credibility


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: TecnoGenius on October 23, 2020, 10:24:35 AM
One of my fav posters over the years was Northern Skunk fighting his daily battles to consider alternatives. Not seeing him here lately. Other sites are just as bad.

Skunk was interesting... If my memory isn't too bad, I think I recall he got banned from the forum?  The others might remember better than I and/or have more of a story on that.  Regardless, it's been a long while since I've seen a Skunk post.

He definitely wasn't my greatest fan...  :o ::) ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: blue_or_die on October 23, 2020, 01:31:02 PM
Skunk was interesting... If my memory isn't too bad, I think I recall he got banned from the forum?  The others might remember better than I and/or have more of a story on that.  Regardless, it's been a long while since I've seen a Skunk post.

He definitely wasn't my greatest fan...  :o ::) ;D ;D ;D


IIRC he got banned for trolling. It wasn't his e.g. anti-Nichols opinion but he would come in and stir the pot on that and other subjects which weren't even related to the thread, which were designed to get everyone riled up.

I was one who got riled up often, lol. Fall for it every time.


Title: Re: Hervey Quits GM position in BC
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 23, 2020, 04:05:51 PM
IIRC he got banned for trolling. It wasn't his e.g. anti-Nichols opinion but he would come in and stir the pot on that and other subjects which weren't even related to the thread, which were designed to get everyone riled up.

I don't even think he was banned; his account is still active. I think his childish antics got enough members here to put him in his place and he ran away with his tail between his legs.

Unfortunately, he stumbled upon MBB and then started trolling everyone there. He hasn't been on there in some time, though. So, good. ;D