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Title: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 08, 2020, 06:12:13 AM
This thread will be opportunity to discuss free agency signings/transaction by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

Thread will be unlocked on February 11th - the start of free agency.

In the meantime, the following is an article by Ed Tait setting up free agency for the Blue Bombers:

Setting Up Free Agency - Ed Tait


It's a position the Winnipeg Blue Bombers haven't been in since, well, seemingly forever. And it's a perspective they most certainly would like to enjoy for a spell.

The crazy offseason talent carousel that is Canadian Football League free agency officially begins at 11 a.m. on February 11th, and how the Bombers approach the market in wake of the franchise's 11th Grey Cup championship will be more than a little intriguing.

WHO'S BACK

The Bombers began the CFL offseason with the fewest pending free agents in the league at 24. Since then they've re-signed quarterback Zach Collaros, left tackle Stanley Bryant, right tackle Jermarcus Hardrick, guard Patrick Neufeld, wide receiver Drew Wolitarsky, defensive backs Mercy Maston and Nick Taylor and defensive tackle Jake Thomas ? all starters ? as well as running back Johnny Augustine and receiver/returner Charles Nelson.

WHO'S PENDING

There's still time for players to sign before the market opens on Tuesday, but the remaining Bombers who are scheduled to become free agents are defensive ends Willie Jefferson and Craig Roh, wide receiver Darvin Adams, centre Michael Couture, defensive backs Chandler Fenner, Derek Jones and Jeff Hecht, linebackers Korey Jones and Thomas Miles and defensive tackle Drake Nevis.

Adams and Nevis started in the 107th Grey Cup - Hecht, Miles and both Derek and Korey Jones dressed as reserves - while Couture and Roh were on the injured list and Fenner was listed on the roster but did not suit up.

THE QB PICTURE

The Bombers ended 2019 with just one of their four quarterbacks - rookie Sean McGuire - under contract for 2020, and Collaros, Matt Nichols and Chris Streveler all scheduled to become free agents. Chris Streveler signed this week with the Arizona Cardinals and after the club made the 'gut-wrenching' decision to commit to Collaros, Nichols has landed in Toronto with the Argonauts.

The salary committed to Collaros, reportedly in the $450,000 range, and the price of trying to keep a championship squad intact means adding another veteran QB might be too tight a squeeze financially.

After all, a Bombers' football brain trust hasn't been here since the winter of 1990-91 and the steps the club makes to both keep a championship squad intact while tinkering with the roster and dealing with exits to the NFL will make for a different challenge for GM Kyle Walters & Co.

We will post a free agent primer on Monday, but in the meantime here are the key questions/issues the club is juggling as the free agent signing period nears...

THE WILLIE WATCH

Defensive end Wilie Jefferson - the CFL's Most Outstanding Defensive Player last year - is atop many free agent wish lists and he's undoubtedly been swamped with offers during the league's new negotiating window.

Jefferson's decision could affect the Bombers? initial free agency, as the organization clearly wants him to return but also has to hold back committing to or moving on from his salary until they get an answer from the defensive game changer.

WAIT... WHAT IS THE CFL'S NEW NEGOTIATING WINDOW?


In an attempt to counter the tampering that existed in the weeks before free agency in past years, the CFL's new collective bargaining agreement calls for a window that will allow teams to communicate with pending free agents prior to the market opening.

The week-long market opened on February 2nd and closes at 11 a.m. this Sunday.

During that time, teams can make formal offers to players, with the base salary and bonuses/incentives all then submitted to CFL headquarters and the CFL Players Association. Once that window closes teams then have 48 hours to exclusively negotiate with their pending free agents while knowing what offers are already on the table. A player then has the opportunity to select any offer prior before 11 a.m. on Tuesday, or then become a free agent.

Read the rest of Ed Tait's article here! (https://www.bluebombers.com/2020/02/07/setting-free-agency/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 11, 2020, 05:43:14 AM
Thread is now open for discussion.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 11, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
From Darrin Bauming - GM Kyle Walters doesn't anticipate needing to make cuts or trades in order to shed salary, but most of their cap space is now used up. Unlikely to be a busy day of adds for Winnipeg - they'll look at a veteran defensive back.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Have ta admit... in years passed, this day was HUGE and following Dunk and @3DownNation was necessary.  Today, thanks to the Canadian Mafia, I'm good.  Anything new is bonus.  #ForTheW


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Tehedra on February 11, 2020, 03:24:57 PM
This is one of the slowest free agency days that I can remember.  Think the negotiation window has impacted free agency Frenzy?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 11, 2020, 03:30:04 PM
This is one of the slowest free agency days that I can remember.  Think the negotiation window has impacted free agency Frenzy?

I think the problem is the "haves" (Hamilton, Winnipeg, Calgary, Sask, Montreal, and Edm) have locked up everything they "need" upfront, and the remnant are loading up on whatever's left.  It's hard to get excited when you have the Bombers, Stamps, Riders, and Cats saying they won't be doing much, and there's a limit to what will fix Toronto, Ottawa, or BC.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 11, 2020, 03:37:14 PM
This is one of the slowest free agency days that I can remember.  Think the negotiation window has impacted free agency Frenzy?

It's not noon yet....


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 11, 2020, 03:51:48 PM
This is one of the slowest free agency days that I can remember.  Think the negotiation window has impacted free agency Frenzy?

FA doesn't open for another 9 minutes as of this posting. 12 ET.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on February 11, 2020, 03:52:22 PM
DB Josh Johnson heading to the Bombers according to Naylor

That is a great signing.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 11, 2020, 03:53:00 PM
DB Josh Johnson heading to the Bombers according to Naylor

Who the heck is Josh Johnson


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on February 11, 2020, 03:54:08 PM
Who the heck is Josh Johnson

Played for Edmonton...he is good


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 11, 2020, 03:54:48 PM
DB Josh Johnson heading to the Bombers according to Naylor

That is a great signing.

Saw Johnson coming to the Bombers, thought it was Micah....


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
Interesting signing, Johnson... should mean a very competitive TC for the DB crew...  Walters has been amazing at picking up DBs that are great value, hopefully this is another hit.

Waiting on the Miles signing... and that would finish everything with a cherry.

Who the heck is Josh Johnson


@DarrinBauming9m
Naylor with the report on the name I floated out on @AftnRide1290
 yesterday ? Johnson is a physical cover man entering his eighth pro season, most recently with the #Esks. #Bombers


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 11, 2020, 03:56:19 PM
Who the heck is Josh Johnson
I second that


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 11, 2020, 03:56:50 PM
Can't go wrong with a solid, proven DB. Nice signing.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 11, 2020, 03:59:50 PM
Can't go wrong with a solid, proven DB. Nice signing.
In the Canadian game the last place you want to really start a raw rookie on defense if you can help it is at HB...that vet experience and knowing what they are looking at and how to react instinctively without thinking it through is huge..and the difference between an explosion play vs a small gain..or pass breakup

It's a totally foreign and new position to rookie Americans, and mental errors will abound


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Norm W on February 11, 2020, 04:01:28 PM
San Diego Chargers
Johnson went undrafted during the 2013 NFL Draft, but signed with the San Diego Chargers after the draft ended.

BC Lions
Johnson played for the BC Lions of the Canadian Football League from 2014 to 2015.

Jacksonville Jaguars
Johnson signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars on February 12, 2016. On August 14, 2017, Johnson was waived/injured by the Jaguars and placed on injured reserve. He was released on October 10, 2017.

Ottawa Redblacks
Josh Johnson signed with the Ottawa Redblacks of the Canadian Football League (CFL) on March 14, 2018. He was released on July 17, 2018.

Hamilton Tiger-Cats
On August 19, 2018, Johnson signed with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

Edmonton Eskimos
Johnson was signed by the Eskimos as a free agent on May 17, 2019.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 11, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
He is a bit of a hobo alright, with this being his 5th CFL team.  Hodge has him ranked as the 8th best free agent DB, for what that's worth.

He's experienced, which is good.  He will be more affordable than Ciante Evans or Levels. I would have been happy with Dozier, but I like Josh Johnson more than Money Hunter. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on February 11, 2020, 04:15:23 PM
He is a bit of a hobo alright, with this being his 5th CFL team.  Hodge has him ranked as the 8th best free agent DB, for what that's worth.

He's experienced, which is good.  He will be more affordable than Ciante Evans or Levels. I would have been happy with Dozier, but I like Josh Johnson more than Money Hunter. 
Nice thing with Johnson is I'm sure he wasn't too pricey and with his experience is good to have but also probably not a 100% lock to make the roster if someone else shows better


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 11, 2020, 04:16:14 PM
Winnipeg Blue Bombers agree to terms with defensive back Josh Johnson

WINNIPEG, MB., February 11, 2020 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announce today the team has agreed to terms with veteran defensive back Josh Johnson on a one-year contract.

Johnson (5-10, 200, Purdue) is a four-year veteran of the Canadian Football League, with 64 career regular-season games played ? including 58 starts -- in stops with the B.C. Lions (2014-15), Ottawa REDBLACKS (2018), Hamilton Tiger-Cats (2018) and the Edmonton Eskimos (2019).

Johnson, 29, started 17 games for the Eskimos in 2019 at both halfback and cornerback, finishing with 43 tackles, two interceptions, one sack, nine pass knockdowns and one tackle for a loss.

He was productive in the postseason, picking off three passes in Edmonton?s Eastern Semi-Final win over the Montreal Alouettes, becoming the first player in the CFL to have three interceptions in a playoff game since Darrell Moir of Toronto in 1986. He then added a team-high six tackles and a sack in the Eastern Final loss to the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

Johnson played his college ball with the Purdue Boilermakers, starting 36 of 49 games and twice named to the Academic All-Big Ten Team (2010, 2011).

He was signed by the San Diego Chargers as an undrafted free agent in 2013, before joining the B.C. in 2014 where he started 34 games over the next two seasons. His work with the Lions drew the attention of the Jacksonville Jaguars, who signed him in February of 2016. Johnson played eight games with Jacksonville in 2016 but was placed on injured reserve in the summer of 2017 before being released in October of that year.

Johnson then signed with Ottawa in March of 2018 and, after playing in four games before being released and signed by Hamilton, where he appeared in nine games. He signed as a free agent with the Eskimos in May of 2019.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 11, 2020, 04:27:11 PM
Blue Bombers re-sign Winnipeg born linebacker Thomas Miles

WINNIPEG, MB., February 11, 2020 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the signing of veteran linebacker Thomas Miles to a one-year contract extension. The deal was completed just before the opening of Canadian Football League free agency this morning at 11:00 a.m. CT.

Miles (6-1, 232, Manitoba) returns to his hometown Bombers for a fourth season and will continue to play a role on special teams while serving as a tremendous ambassador of the club in the community.

Miles has not missed a game since signing with the Bombers as a free agent in March of 2017 following three years with the Toronto Argonauts. In 2019, Miles accumulated eight special teams tackles and added four on defence and suited up for all three playoff games.

Miles was also named the 2019 recipient of the Ed Kotowich Good Guy Award, acknowledging a Bombers player who has ?excellent football ability, is a leader in the locker room, and shows outstanding effort in the community.?

Miles has made several appearances for the Bombers Tackle Bullying and Break the Silence Against Women programs and has visited several Northern communities in conjunction with those initiatives. A proud product of Churchill High School and the University of Manitoba, Miles has also made countless visits to schools as part of the team's Hit the Books program, helps coach and mentor with the Bombers Youth Football Club. As well, he serves on the board of directors of the Immigrant and Refugee Community Organization of Manitoba, supports Wahbung Abinoonjiiag - a domestic violence prevention centre for children and their families - and has been a 'Big Brother' with Big Brothers and Sisters of Winnipeg. He is also a mentor and speaker with Food Allergy Canada and the Children's Allergy & Asthma Education Centre at the Winnipeg Children?s Hospital.

 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
Blue Bombers re-sign Winnipeg born linebacker Thomas Miles

WINNIPEG, MB., February 11, 2020 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the signing of veteran linebacker Thomas Miles to a one-year contract extension. The deal was completed just before the opening of Canadian Football League free agency this morning at 11:00 a.m. CT.

Miles (6-1, 232, Manitoba) returns to his hometown Bombers for a fourth season and will continue to play a role on special teams while serving as a tremendous ambassador of the club in the community.

Miles has not missed a game since signing with the Bombers as a free agent in March of 2017 following three years with the Toronto Argonauts. In 2019, Miles accumulated eight special teams tackles and added four on defence and suited up for all three playoff games.

Miles was also named the 2019 recipient of the Ed Kotowich Good Guy Award, acknowledging a Bombers player who has ?excellent football ability, is a leader in the locker room, and shows outstanding effort in the community.?

Miles has made several appearances for the Bombers Tackle Bullying and Break the Silence Against Women programs and has visited several Northern communities in conjunction with those initiatives. A proud product of Churchill High School and the University of Manitoba, Miles has also made countless visits to schools as part of the team's Hit the Books program, helps coach and mentor with the Bombers Youth Football Club. As well, he serves on the board of directors of the Immigrant and Refugee Community Organization of Manitoba, supports Wahbung Abinoonjiiag - a domestic violence prevention centre for children and their families - and has been a 'Big Brother' with Big Brothers and Sisters of Winnipeg. He is also a mentor and speaker with Food Allergy Canada and the Children's Allergy & Asthma Education Centre at the Winnipeg Children?s Hospital.

 


And.. scene.



Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 11, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
Nice to see Miles will stay on for at least another year. He's a ST stud.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 11, 2020, 04:29:34 PM
Blue Bombers re-sign Winnipeg born linebacker Thomas Miles

WINNIPEG, MB., February 11, 2020 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the signing of veteran linebacker Thomas Miles to a one-year contract extension. The deal was completed just before the opening of Canadian Football League free agency this morning at 11:00 a.m. CT.

Miles (6-1, 232, Manitoba) returns to his hometown Bombers for a fourth season and will continue to play a role on special teams while serving as a tremendous ambassador of the club in the community.

Miles has not missed a game since signing with the Bombers as a free agent in March of 2017 following three years with the Toronto Argonauts. In 2019, Miles accumulated eight special teams tackles and added four on defence and suited up for all three playoff games.

Miles was also named the 2019 recipient of the Ed Kotowich Good Guy Award, acknowledging a Bombers player who has ?excellent football ability, is a leader in the locker room, and shows outstanding effort in the community.?

Miles has made several appearances for the Bombers Tackle Bullying and Break the Silence Against Women programs and has visited several Northern communities in conjunction with those initiatives. A proud product of Churchill High School and the University of Manitoba, Miles has also made countless visits to schools as part of the team's Hit the Books program, helps coach and mentor with the Bombers Youth Football Club. As well, he serves on the board of directors of the Immigrant and Refugee Community Organization of Manitoba, supports Wahbung Abinoonjiiag - a domestic violence prevention centre for children and their families - and has been a 'Big Brother' with Big Brothers and Sisters of Winnipeg. He is also a mentor and speaker with Food Allergy Canada and the Children's Allergy & Asthma Education Centre at the Winnipeg Children?s Hospital.

 

Just an excellent guy and ambassador for our team. Glad he is back.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 11, 2020, 05:20:39 PM
Josh Johnson's a yawn for me. 5th CFL team.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 11, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Josh Johnson's a yawn for me. 5th CFL team.

Yeah...but Rose was on his 3rd team in 3 years when he signed with us...worked out pretty good when in a system with a top notch environment and coach in Younger


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 11, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Hopefully we have a few shekles left if one of our DB's, Strev. or Kongbo happen to shake loose later in the season.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
Doesn't blow me away, but it's a positive start.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 11, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
I like the Johnson signing. He has versatility to play both boundary HB or CB...and he was a playmaker for the Esks at the right time of year.

And let?s not forget, the Esks kept Johnson over Nick Taylor...and looked what Taylor did in Hall?s D.

Also glad to see Miles back. Solid STer that also has the ability to perform some spot duty on D.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 11, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
Johnson signing doesn't blow me away but it's solid.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2020, 07:15:46 PM
Johnson signing doesn't blow me away but it's solid.

The more CFL vets. they can sign for the secondary the less rookie spots they will have to deal with, and it may only be temporary if Sayles or Rose come back mid-season.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue girl on February 11, 2020, 08:18:21 PM
I have to admit that I didn't know who Josh Johnson was when this was announced but I see that he can play both HB and CB so I like his versatility and they needed a veteran back there. Maybe he'll be this years Winston Rose. Not regarded as a huge signing but turns out to be a big one. As for the re-signing of Miles. Great re-signing. I was hoping they would keep him.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Tehedra on February 12, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
I too am happy that Miles was resigned; he's been a consistent name with the bombers for awhile and sometimes its nice to just have those recognizable names.  Plus he is always noticed on special teams and we need to ensure we keep some of our quality special team players around since often the games we got hurt the most were the ones where big special team plays appeared to be given up.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 12, 2020, 06:32:48 PM
I have to admit that I didn't know who Josh Johnson was when this was announced but I see that he can play both HB and CB so I like his versatility and they needed a veteran back there. Maybe he'll be this years Winston Rose. Not regarded as a huge signing but turns out to be a big one. As for the re-signing of Miles. Great re-signing. I was hoping they would keep him.

I thought Rose was a pretty big deal last year. He was the interception co-leader the year before.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Horseman on February 12, 2020, 09:43:02 PM
I have to say, I am disappointed by the inactivity of the Bombers this FA. I was expecting a little more involvement by KW. Maybe he is saving some SMS hoping the 3 NFLers we lost will be back at some point this fall.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 12, 2020, 09:51:30 PM
I have to say, I am disappointed by the inactivity of the Bombers this FA. I was expecting a little more involvement by KW. Maybe he is saving some SMS hoping the 3 NFLers we lost will be back at some point this fall.
Well re-signing our own guys...guys who would be upgrades on most other teams in the league is fairly successful too tho. And I think we are holding back money for one or two of the 4 that we lost, tho realistically I can only seeing one shaking lose this year.

Also it has been a good strategy since Walters took over to always have that surplus at years end to re-up guys against the previous years cap...so we don't have to be big players in free agency...over the long haul thats the better way to go, and our scouting/recruiting is now at a point where we are finding depth we can use at entry level deals...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 12, 2020, 09:58:11 PM
I have to say, I am disappointed by the inactivity of the Bombers this FA. I was expecting a little more involvement by KW. Maybe he is saving some SMS hoping the 3 NFLers we lost will be back at some point this fall.

Whaaaaat?

WE had some of the most sought after FA's on the market, and Walters signed THEM ALL.  It was different a few years ago when we had holes in the roster you could drive a truck through. 

This roster just won the GC.  These scouts brought in loads of talent.  Many of the re-signings were at below market.  Guys signed here for less to stay.

What in the world could have been accomplisahed through FA?  Lose Jefferson and sign Johnson?  FOr the same money?  I'm liking Jefferson, thanks.   Let Adams walk for 140k, and sign Daniels for $200k? 

We re used to begging players to come here, and fighting over other teams scraps.   Times have changed.  I think ANY fan of any other team would kill to have as little action on the FA market as we did, and still have a GC worthy roster...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Horseman on February 12, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Whaaaaat?

WE had some of the most sought after FA's on the market, and Walters signed THEM ALL.  It was different a few years ago when we had holes in the roster you could drive a truck through. 

This roster just won the GC.  These scouts brought in loads of talent.  Many of the re-signings were at below market.  Guys signed here for less to stay.

What in the world could have been accomplisahed through FA?  Lose Jefferson and sign Johnson?  FOr the same money?  I'm liking Jefferson, thanks.   Let Adams walk for 140k, and sign Daniels for $200k? 

We re used to begging players to come here, and fighting over other teams scraps.   Times have changed.  I think ANY fan of any other team would kill to have as little action on the FA market as we did, and still have a GC worthy roster...

Yes, however, I was expecting at least 1 new receiver and another DB besides JJ.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: bludan on February 12, 2020, 11:22:17 PM
Yes, however, I was expecting at least 1 new receiver and another DB besides JJ.

The Stampeders have been the most consistent team of the last couple decades.  If you watch their free agencies, they often keep a very stable roster.  I think this offseason should be seen as an incredibly positive thing for the Bombers.  We had a few very exciting offseasons in a row, yet only one Grey Cup.  Here's hoping we are witnessing the start of a dynasty.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue girl on February 12, 2020, 11:27:25 PM
I'm very happy with The Bombers in free agency. We signed all of our big players so we didn't need to go elsewhere. Two things I might have done was sign another Canadian starter and Drake Nevis. IMO they're going to miss him.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jets on February 13, 2020, 12:07:57 AM
Still could use Pipkin for QB experience. I don't see how we go into the year with just Collaros and McGuire.  Also wouldn't mind Jonathan Rose and Luke Tasker as sneaky adds at good value.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Horseman on February 13, 2020, 01:34:53 AM
Still could use Pipkin for QB experience. I don't see how we go into the year with just Collaros and McGuire.  Also wouldn't mind Jonathan Rose and Luke Tasker as sneaky adds at good value.

Yes, I agree.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: dd on February 13, 2020, 01:56:14 AM
I have to say, I am disappointed by the inactivity of the Bombers this FA. I was expecting a little more involvement by KW. Maybe he is saving some SMS hoping the 3 NFLers we lost will be back at some point this fall.
This comment is so out to lunch it?s not even funny. We just signed the highly sought after Willie J. I couldn?t give a roaring rip about any other FA out there, this dude was the crown jewel bar none. On top of that we have the bulk of our grey cup roster in tact. Yep, fire Walters for sure, he?s a bum!! Utterly Ridiculous !!


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 13, 2020, 02:04:37 AM
Yes, however, I was expecting at least 1 new receiver and another DB besides JJ.

Sure. But consider all the re-signings Walters did before FA even started. Stability is key.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 13, 2020, 02:59:00 AM
The CFL.CA top three FA's were Bombers.  2 are QB's.  We chose one of those, and signed the one we chose, and we signed the top FA in Willie.  Pretty solid FA season...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Horseman on February 13, 2020, 03:39:22 AM
This comment is so out to lunch it?s not even funny. We just signed the highly sought after Willie J. I couldn?t give a roaring rip about any other FA out there, this dude was the crown jewel bar none. On top of that we have the bulk of our grey cup roster in tact. Yep, fire Walters for sure, he?s a bum!! Utterly Ridiculous !!

No one said anything about firing KW, except you. I stated that I was expecting the Bombers to sign a (1) new receiver and another DB besides JJ. Crawl back into your hole DD.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Scratch Pad on February 13, 2020, 04:09:47 AM
Sure. But consider all the re-signings Walters did before FA even started. Stability is key.



Walters did a great job in keeping the team pretty much intact.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 13, 2020, 05:09:00 AM
Here is a summary of Blue Bomber free agents and their status as of February 12, 2020:

13 players (Collaros, Augustine, Adams, Wolitarsky, Couture, Neufeld, Bryant, Hardrick, Jefferson, Thomas, Miles, Mason, Taylor) resigned to new contracts

  8 players (Nichols, Streveler, Nevis, Roh, K. Jones, D. Jones, Rose, Sayles) signed with other CFL teams or NFL teams

  2 players (Fenner and Hecht) remain free agents, unsigned by any team

  1 player (Kongbo) was under contract but released to sign with the NFL

http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=52472.0


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 13, 2020, 08:35:32 AM
Walters did a great job.
The guys that won't be here were good players, but there are a lot more good players out there. Walters kept the nucleus together, and most of the best players.
Good job!


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
you have to look at it too, that Walter's signing guys prior to free agency is no different than signing people "in" free agency.

You also essentially get them at a better value, and allow yourself to go into free-agency with a plan and target and know what you have to work with, or you can just hover around and look/wait for the value deals as you basically have no dire needs.

Why do you think the Stamps have been so consistently good....and consistent for better part of decade??...the retain their quality guys and their core...and draft/scout smartly..and make the environment one in which your starts don't have desire to leave...kinda what's been going on here last 3 years or so

When is the last time you saw the Stamps get into a biffing war for one of their guys, or spend wildly in Free Agency....I can't recall off the top of my head because they keep themselves in a spot to not have to...which is better than trying to land the big fish each year for inflated prices...we on that way of doing business now...and if a big fish shows up later in the year, we will be a team who can toss cash at them


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 13, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
you have to look at it too, that Walter's signing guys prior to free agency is no different than signing people "in" free agency.

You also essentially get them at a better value, and allow yourself to go into free-agency with a plan and target and know what you have to work with, or you can just hover around and look/wait for the value deals as you basically have no dire needs.

Why do you think the Stamps have been so consistently good....and consistent for better part of decade??...the retain their quality guys and their core...and draft/scout smartly..and make the environment one in which your starts don't have desire to leave...kinda what's been going on here last 3 years or so

When is the last time you saw the Stamps get into a biffing war for one of their guys, or spend wildly in Free Agency....I can't recall off the top of my head because they keep themselves in a spot to not have to...which is better than trying to land the big fish each year for inflated prices...we on that way of doing business now...and if a big fish shows up later in the year, we will be a team who can toss cash at them

If you can skate into FA with as strong of a roster as we did, you don't need to make moves unless the price and fit is right.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
If you can skate into FA with as strong of a roster as we did, you don't need to make moves unless the price and fit is right.

Exactly...ala the HUFF formula for sustained sucess


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 13, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
Exactly...ala the HUFF formula for sustained sucess

Huff had some amazing recruitment in his peak years too.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 13, 2020, 02:38:14 PM
If you can skate into FA with as strong of a roster as we did, you don't need to make moves unless the price and fit is right.

I agree, as much as I would have liked us to land a play making starting Canadian in FA, like Ackie. Mr. Walters did an excellent job at keeping our core players in Winnipeg.

Backup QB is still a question mark. But I am sure we will have that worked out before TC.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blueraid on February 13, 2020, 02:51:49 PM
Walters has done a pretty good job...BUT the club knew we had holes to fill with people from the Cup team leaving, especially in the secondary....Why we didn't go all out on one of the very good db's (besides Johnson) is a mystery....Rumours are we might be in on Walker orrrrr another receiver...IF that's true we might not be done yet ...IF nothing else transpires today, I doubt anymore fa signings will be coming our way....Some people are already questioning the lack of action, but we'll see


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 13, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
Walters has done a pretty good job...BUT the club knew we had holes to fill with people from the Cup team leaving, especially in the secondary....Why we didn't go all out on one of the very good db's (besides Johnson) is a mystery....

A pretty good job...? He's done a fantastic job keeping the team intact. For all we know, Walters has money set aside for Rose and Sayles in the event their NFL aspirations don't pan out and they've agreed to return here. Both signed futures contracts in the NFL, meaning neither are guaranteed anything.

It's fair to question the supposed "lack of action" in free agency* but there could be events behind closed doors to which we are not privy.

*keep in mind Walters retained a ton of players from 2019


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 03:27:33 PM
Walters has done a pretty good job...BUT the club knew we had holes to fill with people from the Cup team leaving, especially in the secondary....Why we didn't go all out on one of the very good db's (besides Johnson) is a mystery....Rumours are we might be in on Walker orrrrr another receiver...IF that's true we might not be done yet ...IF nothing else transpires today, I doubt anymore fa signings will be coming our way....Some people are already questioning the lack of action, but we'll see

What's wrong with Johnson tho...really? and maybe the staff is high on some of the recently signed new recruits...they seem to know DB talent pretty well. They addressed the Sayles departure with Johnson..CB is an easier spot to fill with a new guy and we have a lot of interesting prospects coming in..who will be on entry level

Other than that the only real hole is I think at DT...especially if we truly plan to go national there. That being said if we feel we are weak there after camp we can possibly address that via a trade as we do have a surplus of o-lineman (national) as currency


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 13, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Walters has done a pretty good job...BUT the club knew we had holes to fill with people from the Cup team leaving, especially in the secondary....Why we didn't go all out on one of the very good db's (besides Johnson) is a mystery....Rumours are we might be in on Walker orrrrr another receiver...IF that's true we might not be done yet ...IF nothing else transpires today, I doubt anymore fa signings will be coming our way....Some people are already questioning the lack of action, but we'll see

Because you can't fill all your needs through free agency and still stay below the salary cap. Scouting plays a big role. Where do you think we got Sayles to begin with?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 13, 2020, 03:33:24 PM
Walters has done a pretty good job...BUT the club knew we had holes to fill with people from the Cup team leaving, especially in the secondary....Why we didn't go all out on one of the very good db's (besides Johnson) is a mystery....Rumours are we might be in on Walker orrrrr another receiver...IF that's true we might not be done yet ...IF nothing else transpires today, I doubt anymore fa signings will be coming our way....Some people are already questioning the lack of action, but we'll see

We lost two very good DB's, yes.  We also scouted one of those, and brought the other in on a team friendly deal (like we did with Rose), seeing something his team didn't.  And we ended the year with pretty good depth at DB, and have some interesting new recruits.  No reason we can't find the next one ourselves, without paying a premium for a FA. 

And, if either of the DBs we lost shakes loose, bazinga.  Much better to bring back a guy who has been here, than bring in an overpriced FA...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 13, 2020, 03:54:45 PM
Last year's stats:

              YEAR    TEAM    GP    DT    ST    SACKS    INT    TD
Johnson  2019   EDM    17    43    1    1    2    0    0
Rose       2019   WPG    18    58    0    0    9    1    0

I see it as big downgrade.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 13, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
Last year's stats:

              YEAR    TEAM    GP    DT    ST    SACKS    INT    TD
Johnson  2019   EDM    17    43    1    1    2    0    0
Rose       2019   WPG    18    58    0    0    9    1    0

I see it as big downgrade.

            YEAR    TEAM GP    DT    ST    SACKS    INT    TD
Johnson  2019   EDM    17    43    1    1    2    0    0
Rose    2018   BC    18    32    8    0    5    0    0

But we are talking finding a guy that the other team did not utilize to his potential, so you should compare Rose 2018 to Johnson 2019... not as big a difference...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 13, 2020, 04:33:43 PM
            YEAR    TEAM GP    DT    ST    SACKS    INT    TD
Johnson  2019   EDM    17    43    1    1    2    0    0
Rose    2018   BC    18    32    8    0    5    0    0

But we are talking finding a guy that the other team did not utilize to his potential, so you should compare Rose 2018 to Johnson 2019... not as big a difference...

Rose was and is growing as a player.

Johnson is a vet going into his 6th (?) season. He is what he is.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue girl on February 13, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
A lot of our cap money is taken up with Jefferson, Collaros, Harris and the OL we brought back. I'm happy with what Walters has done.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 13, 2020, 05:30:02 PM
I think you will see Rose and/or Sayles back in the CFL by Labor Day. Walters mite be holding on to a little money for them, or at least one of them. Fenner could also still sign here, just not at $140,000. Fenner did make 80 tackles and 2 Int's.

A few other names that were kicked around today at the gym.

Rhymes: 6'4" 215.  1056 yards, 5 Td's.
Joseph: (N) DT 6'3" 262.



Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 13, 2020, 05:30:46 PM
            YEAR    TEAM GP    DT    ST    SACKS    INT    TD
Johnson  2019   EDM    17    43    1    1    2    0    0
Rose    2018   BC    18    32    8    0    5    0    0

But we are talking finding a guy that the other team did not utilize to his potential, so you should compare Rose 2018 to Johnson 2019... not as big a difference...
What makes you think that the other team didn't utilize his potential?

Johnson's going into his 6th year on his 5th team. He's not a young guy working his way up the ladder.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 13, 2020, 05:38:01 PM
There's life yet....

Bombers sign Antigha

https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/13/bombers-sign-dl-tobi-antigha-one-year-deal/


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 13, 2020, 05:42:19 PM
What makes you think that the other team didn't utilize his potential?

Johnson's going into his 6th year on his 5th team. He's not a young guy working his way up the ladder.

Rose is 3 years younger, but let?s not forget he was on his 3rd CFL team in 3 years. And if things don?t work out for him down south he could be on his 4th - if the BB don?t have the cap room to bring him back.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 13, 2020, 05:45:00 PM
There's life yet....

Bombers sign Antigha

https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/13/bombers-sign-dl-tobi-antigha-one-year-deal/

An intriguing development. Love his versatility and I wanted him here last year. It?ll be interesting to see what Hall has planned for him.

I guess there is still $$ available for the right player & deal.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 13, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
There's life yet....

Bombers sign Antigha

https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/13/bombers-sign-dl-tobi-antigha-one-year-deal/

I'd be reasonably happy about this signing if he had 3 drops of Canadian blood in him....but he doesn't.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Bluehawk on February 13, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
Love the guy! Size and a great athlete!


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Norm W on February 13, 2020, 05:49:20 PM
Is it just me or does it seems the Bombers are working on assembling a team designed to "defend" the Grey Cup as opposed to win it again?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on February 13, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
I'd be reasonably happy about this signing if he had 3 drops of Canadian blood in him....but he doesn't.

i'd be happy if his name was Derel Walker..


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on February 13, 2020, 05:51:45 PM
Is it just me or does it seems the Bombers are working on assembling a team designed to "defend" the Grey Cup as opposed to win it again?

not even sure what that means...2019 season is over - MOS made that very clear a couple of days after the win.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 13, 2020, 06:10:25 PM
I like the Antigha signing. Should be able to compete for a spot in TC.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 07:01:18 PM
What makes you think that the other team didn't utilize his potential?

Johnson's going into his 6th year on his 5th team. He's not a young guy working his way up the ladder.
Rose was on his 3rd team...in 3 yrs...whats the point again??


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 13, 2020, 07:16:54 PM
Rose was on his 3rd team...in 3 yrs...whats the point again??
Rose was a young guy on his way up. Johnson isn't.

3rd team in 3 years doesn't equal 5th team in 6 years, even if you want to pretend they are the same thing.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
Rose was a young guy on his way up. Johnson isn't.

3rd team in 3 years doesn't equal 5th team in 6 years, even if you want to pretend they are the same thing.
Well why wasn't Rose retained on the other teams?..did those teams not value him?...and you make it sound like Johnson is an old guy on the downside of his career..had 2 solid seasons in B.C (2014 and 2015)..parlayed that into the NFL thing in (2016 and 2017) for a couple years landed in Ottawa and had a falling out with staff there and was scooped up by Hamilton....then as free agent went to Edm....had a solid year there, and this off-season was rated as a top cover guy by so called CFL experts..so maybe the fine coaching here propels him to even higher standards...the 5 teams in 6 years is somewhat a misleading point to make...its not like he was discarded..plus stuck in NFL for 3 season's in some capacity..


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 13, 2020, 07:37:27 PM
Well why wasn't Rose retained on the other teams?..did those teams not value him?...and you make it sound like Johnson is an old guy on the downside of his career..had 2 solid seasons in B.C (2014 and 2015)..parlayed that into the NFL thing in (2016 and 2017) for a couple years landed in Ottawa and had a falling out with staff there and was scooped up by Hamilton....then as free agent went to Edm....had a solid year there, and this off-season was rated as a top cover guy by so called CFL experts..so maybe the fine coaching here propels him to even higher standards...the 5 teams in 6 years is somewhat a misleading point to make...its not like he was discarded..plus stuck in NFL for 3 season's in some capacity..

I don't think Tburg is trying to suggest Johnson is a bum, simply that, at this point in his career, we probably shouldn't expect a huge statistical bump in stats like we saw with Rose.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 13, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Antigha is a very solid add. He can easily play both DE and WIL and is an excellent STer.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 09:51:36 PM
I don't think Tburg is trying to suggest Johnson is a bum, simply that, at this point in his career, we probably shouldn't expect a huge statistical bump in stats like we saw with Rose.

Yeah never meant to imply he said he was a bum...but he did come from a team that led the league in fewest passing yards gave up..fewest completions..3rd best in explosion plays...so obvious he has some skills...just need to keep on keeping on, and with the apparent benefit of the coaching we get from Younger and Hall, and their apparent ability to make get guys to improve (as stated by our gys in the NFL now) I see no reason that he can't improve at still just 29


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 13, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
Well why wasn't Rose retained on the other teams?..did those teams not value him?...and you make it sound like Johnson is an old guy on the downside of his career..had 2 solid seasons in B.C (2014 and 2015)..parlayed that into the NFL thing in (2016 and 2017) for a couple years landed in Ottawa and had a falling out with staff there and was scooped up by Hamilton....then as free agent went to Edm....had a solid year there, and this off-season was rated as a top cover guy by so called CFL experts..so maybe the fine coaching here propels him to even higher standards...the 5 teams in 6 years is somewhat a misleading point to make...its not like he was discarded..plus stuck in NFL for 3 season's in some capacity..

Rose is a 6 ft, 26 year old CFL all star who is getting an NFL shot. In 2016 & '17 he was on the Argos then the redblacks PR's, playing 4 games in '17. 2018 first year as a starter in BC, he tied for most picks in the league at 5 (The number Josh has in his entire CFL career). I don't know why Toronto, Ottawa or BC didn't keep him.

Johnson is a 5'9", 29 year old CFL journeyman. Not an all star.  Ottawa released Josh on July 17, 2018. Hamilton picked him up a month later August 19, 2018 and let him go to FA at the end of the year. Edmonton signed him in May 2019 well after most FA's got signed. Doesn't sound like a must sign guy who everyone wants to me.

Rose was better last year than Johnson and I doubt that Johnson is getting any better.

Johnson was ranked as the 8th best FA DB in the league by 3DownNation that's at least 9 spots lower than Rose would be ranked. He doesn't show up on the CFL.CA's top 30 free agents. Who are the CFL experts who ranked him as a top cover guy?

All of the above lead  me to believe that Johnson is a downgrade over Rose. That's not the same as calling Johnson crap. I hope/expect that we got him cheap, so there's that I guess.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: jdrattops on February 14, 2020, 12:35:33 AM
Rose is a 6 ft, 26 year old CFL all star who is getting an NFL shot. In 2016 & '17 he was on the Argos then the redblacks PR's, playing 4 games in '17. 2018 first year as a starter in BC, he tied for most picks in the league at 5 (The number Josh has in his entire CFL career). I don't know why Toronto, Ottawa or BC didn't keep him.

Johnson is a 5'9", 29 year old CFL journeyman. Not an all star.  Ottawa released Josh on July 17, 2018. Hamilton picked him up a month later August 19, 2018 and let him go to FA at the end of the year. Edmonton signed him in May 2019 well after most FA's got signed. Doesn't sound like a must sign guy who everyone wants to me.

Rose was better last year than Johnson and I doubt that Johnson is getting any better.

Johnson was ranked as the 8th best FA DB in the league by 3DownNation that's at least 9 spots lower than Rose would be ranked. He doesn't show up on the CFL.CA's top 30 free agents. Who are the CFL experts who ranked him as a top cover guy?

All of the above lead  me to believe that Johnson is a downgrade over Rose. That's not the same as calling Johnson crap. I hope/expect that we got him cheap, so there's that I guess.

Anybody the Bombers would have signed to fill in Rose? spot was going to be a down grade.  It?s hard to upgrade the best player at the position from last season.  But no one expects any different response from the resident Rider fan.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 14, 2020, 03:12:39 AM
One mans. Garbage is another ones treasure.
... different system
Hey who is'our DC?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on February 14, 2020, 03:26:56 AM
Anybody the Bombers would have signed to fill in Rose? spot was going to be a down grade.  It?s hard to upgrade the best player at the position from last season.  But no one expects any different response from the resident Rider fan.
There are and were better DBs available... we just couldn't afford em.

I'm happy with Johnson. I also like some of our recruits


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
Antigha is a very solid add. He can easily play both DE and WIL and is an excellent STer.

Agreed. A solid, versatile addition to the team.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 14, 2020, 02:09:33 PM
Antigha is a very solid add. He can easily play both DE and WIL and is an excellent STer.

And he?s played some Safety in a pinch. An ideal DI.

4 DI?s: Medlock, Grant, Antigha, ??


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 14, 2020, 02:15:54 PM
Anybody the Bombers would have signed to fill in Rose? spot was going to be a down grade.  It?s hard to upgrade the best player at the position from last season.  But no one expects any different response from the resident Rider fan.
There were 7 or 8 better DB's available according to 3rdownnation. Johnson wasn't one of the 4 DB's on the all free agent team that was put together. I didn't expect an upgrade. I didn't want such a big downgrade either. We chose Johnson. We could have done better.

I guess you think calling me a Rider fan, when you know I'm not, gets under my skin. It doesn't It just makes me roll my eyes. I guess you expected me to love the Jefferson signing, although I didn't see you post that you did.

 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2020, 02:32:19 PM
We chose Johnson. We could have done better. 

Maybe. Perhaps Johnson was the best fit based on the team's SMS situation. We also at present have no idea how Johnson will fit in this defense, so you may want to pump the brakes just a bit until we actually see him play here.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 14, 2020, 02:38:32 PM
Maybe. Perhaps Johnson was the best fit based on the team's SMS situation. We also at present have no idea how Johnson will fit in this defense, so you may want to pump the brakes just a bit until we actually see him play here.
Cheapest guy with experience? OK.

SMS? I don't believe we couldn't have afforded a higher ranked DB than Josh.

Johnson may yet surprise me, but this is a fan forum, we talk about all the signings good and bad before they actually play for us.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2020, 02:52:24 PM
SMS? I don't believe we couldn't have afforded a higher ranked DB than Josh. 

Sigh... Yes, I know you'll believe whatever you want to justify your disappointment here. I'm just saying maybe try tempering that disappointment a bit until he actually plays a game in blue and gold.

My point regarding the SMS is we don't know how Walters has structured his for 2020. For all we know he has set money aside for Rose and/or Sayles who may not even stick in the NFL and have agreed to return here if their NFL aspirations don't pan out. I'll hazard a guess in saying that could be why Walters "cheaped out" by going after an affordable DB with experience as opposed to a bigger fish worth more money.

FWIW, I don't know if anyone currently available in free agency could replace either Rose or Sayles on equal terms. There's a reason those two got looks down south.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 14, 2020, 03:02:56 PM
Cheapest guy with experience? OK.

SMS? I don't believe we couldn't have afforded a higher ranked DB than Josh.

Johnson may yet surprise me, but this is a fan forum, we talk about all the signings good and bad before they actually play for us.

I agree with you that Johnson is a downgrade from Rose, but anybody would be, Rose was freaking amazing last year.

But Johnson will likely work out fine.  Any DB that has played as a starter on several CFL teams and gotten a serious NFL look has the potential to fit in and do well.  We have recycled Maston, Taylor and Gainor with great success, and I think the Bombers have a real knack for evaluating DBs and finding ones that fit in our system. 

I am curious as to whether they play Johnson at DHB or on the corner. I am not 100% sold on Mike Jones, and would prefer to leave him at field corner until I see more. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 14, 2020, 03:18:50 PM
I agree with you that Johnson is a downgrade from Rose, but anybody would be, Rose was freaking amazing last year.

But Johnson will likely work out fine.  Any DB that has played as a starter on several CFL teams and gotten a serious NFL look has the potential to fit in and do well.  We have recycled Maston, Taylor and Gainor with great success, and I think the Bombers have a real knack for evaluating DBs and finding ones that fit in our system. 

I am curious as to whether they play Johnson at DHB or on the corner. I am not 100% sold on Mike Jones, and would prefer to leave him at field corner until I see more. 

Not too worried about Johnson, I didn't know anything about Taylor or Maston before they were brought in last year, and they've worked out well.  Fall back position, if he doesn't make the grade he'll be dealt with in T.C., no fuss.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on February 14, 2020, 04:32:00 PM
I agree with you that Johnson is a downgrade from Rose, but anybody would be, Rose was freaking amazing last year.

But Johnson will likely work out fine.  Any DB that has played as a starter on several CFL teams and gotten a serious NFL look has the potential to fit in and do well.  We have recycled Maston, Taylor and Gainor with great success, and I think the Bombers have a real knack for evaluating DBs and finding ones that fit in our system. 

I am curious as to whether they play Johnson at DHB or on the corner. I am not 100% sold on Mike Jones, and would prefer to leave him at field corner until I see more. 

I've seen you write this name a few times...just to be clear, you mean Anthony Gaitor, right?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 14, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
There were 7 or 8 better DB's available according to 3rdownnation. Johnson wasn't one of the 4 DB's on the all free agent team that was put together. I didn't expect an upgrade. I didn't want such a big downgrade either. We chose Johnson. We could have done better.

I guess you think calling me a Rider fan, when you know I'm not, gets under my skin. It doesn't It just makes me roll my eyes. I guess you expected me to love the Jefferson signing, although I didn't see you post that you did.

 

You realize Hodge does those rankings at 3DN right?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 14, 2020, 06:33:04 PM
I've seen you write this name a few times...just to be clear, you mean Anthony Gaitor, right?

Yes, it must be some sort of mental block, cause I keep doing it....


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 14, 2020, 07:15:58 PM
CFL free agent rankings: defensive backs - John Hodge - Ranked 8th (5 DB's signed in the NFL, which in my mind at least, puts them above Josh.)
The 2020 CFL All-Free Agent Team - Jamie Nye - Not on
CFL.ca?s top 30 pending free agents - determined by a panel of CFL.ca staff and analysts - Not on

I didn't find a single article that puts Josh Johnson higher than Hodge did. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 14, 2020, 07:28:52 PM
CFL free agent rankings: defensive backs - John Hodge - Ranked 8th (5 DB's signed in the NFL, which in my mind at least, puts them above Josh.)
The 2020 CFL All-Free Agent Team - Jamie Nye - Not on
CFL.ca?s top 30 pending free agents - determined by a panel of CFL.ca staff and analysts - Not on

I didn't find a single article that puts Josh Johnson higher than Hodge did. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

This MIGHT make you feel a wee bit better...

 https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/14/nye-sneaky-good-signings-fa20/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/14/nye-sneaky-good-signings-fa20/)


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 14, 2020, 07:43:13 PM
This MIGHT make you feel a wee bit better...

 https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/14/nye-sneaky-good-signings-fa20/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/14/nye-sneaky-good-signings-fa20/)
From the article:
Quote
Josh Johnson lands in Winnipeg from Edmonton and fills some of the void left by Winston Rose and Marcus Sayles, who took off to the NFL after winning the Grey Cup.

Johnson is an excellent defender and helps Mike O?Shea and defensive coordinator Richie Hall try to patch up some of the holes they have in the secondary. Johnson is not only one of the most underrated free agent signings but also one of the most underrated and least talked about defensive backs in the league.

Nye seems to like him, just not as much as the 4 DB's he chose for his all free agent team.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 14, 2020, 08:17:15 PM
From the article:
Nye seems to like him, just not as much as the 4 DB's he chose for his all free agent team.

Sneaky signing, underrated and least talked about... usually means he's a hard worker and not a showboat.  Sounds right for this team...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on February 15, 2020, 07:23:13 AM
Sneaky signing, underrated and least talked about... usually means he's a hard worker and not a showboat.  Sounds right for this team...
We signed a cheap option who is high floor, low ceiling and was an affordable option, don't make this something its not


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 15, 2020, 01:47:12 PM
We signed a cheap option who is high floor, low ceiling and was an affordable option, don't make this something its not
I agree and 'something it's not' is a viable replacement for Rose.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: RicoBeBlue on February 15, 2020, 05:09:29 PM
Reading our BBs are trying to hook a big one...

https://3downnation.com/2020/02/15/bombers-recruiting-star-receiver-derel-walker/

If this does pan out, could be big.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on February 15, 2020, 05:21:05 PM
Reading our BBs are trying to hook a big one...

https://3downnation.com/2020/02/15/bombers-recruiting-star-receiver-derel-walker/

If this does pan out, could be big.


The dream is alive!!!


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blueraid on February 15, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
Talk about a sneaky over the top signing....Walters the old fox is trying to hit one out of the park and IF he can bring in Walker ...WOW


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 15, 2020, 05:30:46 PM
Reading our BBs are trying to hook a big one...

https://3downnation.com/2020/02/15/bombers-recruiting-star-receiver-derel-walker/

If this does pan out, could be big.
terrific  he would be a a valued addition!


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BigBomberFan on February 15, 2020, 05:32:58 PM
Honestly, I'm not too worried about who replaces who. Replacing Winston Rose is obviously going to be tough, but the success of the "next man up" philosophy in the last couple of years has made me have faith in what the Bombers are doing as an organization.  ;D

The Derel Walker rumours though......I hope that something materializes there, as we need to add at least one big game breaker receiver (especially as Collaros has great deep threat capability).


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on February 15, 2020, 06:00:16 PM
I hope the Walker rumour is true and he signs with us. Keeping my fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
Landing Walker would be absolutely wild.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue girl on February 15, 2020, 08:14:28 PM
I'll believe getting Walker when I see it. He turned us down last year and I don't see where we'll have money to sign him this year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 15, 2020, 08:57:48 PM
I was hoping we had money for Rhymes, but now we are going after Walker. Mr. Walter's must have a little rain day money hidden away. Nice.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 15, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
I'll believe getting Walker when I see it. He turned us down last year and I don't see where we'll have money to sign him this year.

He chased the money last year and suffered through a bit of a challenging year in Toronto. He *might* be more willing to take less this year.



Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: dd on February 15, 2020, 11:15:34 PM
Landing Walker would be absolutely wild.
We could never fit his salary under our cap. Toronto could because they didn?t have a high priced Qb at the time nor a high priced D end and MLB and kicker


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 15, 2020, 11:41:12 PM
We could never fit his salary under our cap. Toronto could because they didn?t have a high priced Qb at the time nor a high priced D end and MLB and kicker
who peed in your K flakes? The BB would not be wasting there time and energy if they did not think  they had a chance.I say good on KW.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 15, 2020, 11:45:21 PM
Walker would be awesome but I imagine a tough sell. He is going to be taking a paycut on likely a one year deal. He's going to want to put up big receiving numbers to angle for another big payday next year and our receivers didn't put up big numbers last year at all. From his perspective, I can imagine there are better offenses to put up stats.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Doublezero on February 16, 2020, 12:12:20 AM
Walker would be awesome but I imagine a tough sell. He is going to be taking a paycut on likely a one year deal. He's going to want to put up big receiving numbers to angle for another big payday next year and our receivers didn't put up big numbers last year at all. From his perspective, I can imagine there are better offenses to put up stats.
Expect a more aggressive attack under Buck and with Zach at the controls. Lapo's offence was designed around what Game Manager could do.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: dd on February 16, 2020, 01:33:12 AM
who peed in your K flakes? The BB would not be wasting there time and energy if they did not think  they had a chance.I say good on KW.
Nobody peed in my K flakes, I can just add that?s all!!


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 16, 2020, 01:40:09 AM
Expect a more aggressive attack under Buck and with Zach at the controls. Lapo's offence was designed around what Game Manager could do.

Actually, to lure Walker here, you wouldn't have to have a "more aggressive attack", you'd just have to convince Walker that we will!  Yes, that's sort of lying.  Well, unless we really do go air-crazy in 2020.  Who knows.  However, WPG won it all by being a run-first team, and smart coaches stick with what worked.

I don't think anyone doubts we'll have more passing than 2019 (Zach vs Nichols, no Strev-starting games, etc.), but that's not saying much.

If KW says he's sniffing at Walker, I believe he has a way to make it happen.  The onus is on Walker to not ask for the world.  Unless Walker can get into HAM (impossible), he's better off in the West and he knows it.  WPG will be a contender.  Make it happen.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sec227 on February 16, 2020, 01:51:06 AM
Actually, to lure Walker here, you wouldn't have to have a "more aggressive attack", you'd just have to convince Walker that we will!  Yes, that's sort of lying.  Well, unless we really do go air-crazy in 2020.  Who knows.  However, WPG won it all by being a run-first team, and smart coaches stick with what worked.

I don't think anyone doubts we'll have more passing than 2019 (Zach vs Nichols, no Strev-starting games, etc.), but that's not saying much.

If KW says he's sniffing at Walker, I believe he has a way to make it happen.  The onus is on Walker to not ask for the world.  Unless Walker can get into HAM (impossible), he's better off in the West and he knows it.  WPG will be a contender.  Make it happen.

I was jacked when they signed Matthews last year...We know how that turned out.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 16, 2020, 02:14:03 AM
Nobody peed in my K flakes, I can just add that?s all!!
you can add on rough guesses on cap space. Congrats! Love to see your work...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BigBomberFan on February 16, 2020, 02:29:09 AM
Walker may see this year's free agency differently, I don't know. Reports are that his side doesn't quite understand the reality of the new situation regarding contracts, and some have pointed towards someone like Burnham's $200K or so contract being a realistic measuring stick for what a team or player can expect.

Good for him for standing up for what he believes he's worth, but my .02 is that he's going to have to take a paycut to play somewhere.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 16, 2020, 02:49:26 AM
Expect a more aggressive attack under Buck and with Zach at the controls. Lapo's offence was designed around what Game Manager could do.

Wrong. I know you enjoy crapping on Nichols as much as possible, but LaPolice's offense for the last few seasons was designed around what the best tailback in the game could do.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: dd on February 16, 2020, 03:14:24 AM
you can add on rough guesses on cap space. Congrats! Love to see your work...
Let me break it down for you Goldie, we just shelled out big coin for Collaros and Willy, on top of that we have Biggie on a LJ above average contract for a MLB, add to that Medlock s above average contract for a kicker and the recently committed $200k for Adams, we have no more money to throw at receivers. If we wanted to get Walker here for around $200 k, Walters would have offered that to walker, which he likely did and was turned down, so he then locked Adams in as our #1 guy and we ve moved on. With all the salary committed to our big name players, no way do we have room on our roster for 2 -$200 recievers, and if we did, then we re dropping a big salary somewhere and going cheaper at MLB or kicker? do you see that happening, I don?t. And KW has squirrelled away some cash to sign sayles and rose when they return for the nfl and if they don?t return he?s going to spend on the secondary and an experienced backup QBs, not recievers. You follow that???


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 16, 2020, 03:59:24 AM
Let me break it down for you Goldie, we just shelled out big coin for Collaros and Willy, on top of that we have Biggie on a LJ above average contract for a MLB, add to that Medlock s above average contract for a kicker and the recently committed $200k for Adams, we have no more money to throw at receivers. If we wanted to get Walker here for around $200 k, Walters would have offered that to walker, which he likely did and was turned down, so he then locked Adams in as our #1 guy and we ve moved on. With all the salary committed to our big name players, no way do we have room on our roster for 2 -$200 recievers, and if we did, then we re dropping a big salary somewhere and going cheaper at MLB or kicker? do you see that happening, I don?t. And KW has squirrelled away some cash to sign sayles and rose when they return for the nfl and if they don?t return he?s going to spend on the secondary and an experienced backup QBs, not recievers. You follow that???
I here you man and I knew all that already but none of us know the hard actual numbers. There is a a lot of speculation in that post. I?d be surprised if we locked down Walker but it is fun to think about.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 16, 2020, 04:08:33 AM
Walker could sign for a lot less and take home the same pay, IF we give him a large signing bonus.  You'd have to be sure he's going to play 18+ games and do so effectively, because bonus money is SMS committed 100%.  Salary means nothing if the player is 6 games or cut.  But bonuses are spent regardless either of those issues.

If Walters wants him and is willing to put money up front, we can sign him. 

Will he be a star here?  His year in Toronto doesn't make that answer a confident "Yes".  Is he worth the risk?  I think so,,,


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 16, 2020, 04:26:53 AM
Let me break it down for you Goldie, we just shelled out big coin for Collaros and Willy, on top of that we have Biggie on a LJ above average contract for a MLB, add to that Medlock s above average contract for a kicker and the recently committed $200k for Adams, we have no more money to throw at receivers. If we wanted to get Walker here for around $200 k, Walters would have offered that to walker, which he likely did and was turned down, so he then locked Adams in as our #1 guy and we ve moved on. With all the salary committed to our big name players, no way do we have room on our roster for 2 -$200 recievers, and if we did, then we re dropping a big salary somewhere and going cheaper at MLB or kicker? do you see that happening, I don?t. And KW has squirrelled away some cash to sign sayles and rose when they return for the nfl and if they don?t return he?s going to spend on the secondary and an experienced backup QBs, not recievers. You follow that???

I'm sure others can break it down better than I can, but you seem to have a very simplistic view of roster building.

1. Teams don't break it down by player, they break it down by position. So, while you may think  Collaros is over paid, I'm pretty sure we're paying below average for our QB room. Same with our LBs, same with our DL.

2. Adams is reportedly getting 140k. All other import receivers are on their entry-level deals. If we have a positional group to add money to, it's definitely the receiving core.

3. Every team has a handful of 200k+ guys now. We can't keep viewing these guys through the same lens. Willie's contract has recieved a lot of attention, but it doesn't mean we're suddenly at the cap limit because we paid him 260 instead of 240...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on February 16, 2020, 07:03:11 AM
I think that we need to look at another backup QB.  The CFL is a two QB league.  Would have been great if Nichols could stick around to be a backup, but obviously he still thinks he can play at a high level. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 16, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
I think that we need to look at another backup QB.  The CFL is a two QB league.  Would have been great if Nichols could stick around to be a backup, but obviously he still thinks he can play at a high level. 

So does Toronto, who will be paying if he does.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 16, 2020, 03:38:37 PM
I think that we need to look at another backup QB.  The CFL is a two QB league.  Would have been great if Nichols could stick around to be a backup, but obviously he still thinks he can play at a high level. 

We are looking at QB's...  just maybe not recycled CFL "vets"... our scouts will bring in arms for TC to compete... I'd far rather have "the next one" than settle for "the almost one"...  plus they will be PR rostereable and SMS friendly...  may not be the next Streveler, but could be... and will probably be as good as any "available" backup


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 16, 2020, 05:53:46 PM
Our QBs, receivers, and DBs are among the cheapest in the league. Our DL, Lbers, are probably just above. We have a lot of players on their rookie contracts. We have as much cap room as any other team. Walters does a good job of mixing big contracts and rookie deals.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 16, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
Our QBs, receivers, and DBs are among the cheapest in the league. Our DL, Lbers, are probably just above. We have a lot of players on their rookie contracts. We have as much cap room as any other team. Walters does a good job of mixing big contracts and rookie deals.
^this


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on February 16, 2020, 06:53:46 PM
Unless the reports from Dunk are completely false (they usually aren't) the Bombers wouldn't be talking to Walker if they flat out couldn't afford him. 

Maybe they won't be able to agree on a price and structure - that happens all the time but if the cupboards were completely bare they wouldn't talk.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 16, 2020, 08:17:22 PM
Unless the reports from Dunk are completely false (they usually aren't) the Bombers wouldn't be talking to Walker if they flat out couldn't afford him. 

Maybe they won't be able to agree on a price and structure - that happens all the time but if the cupboards were completely bare they wouldn't talk.

Either that, or if they can get him down to an acceptable number they are prepared to let another veteran go.

Walters has already stated we have commitments basically to the cap.  Keeping Jefferson cost us Nevis and Roh.  Probably worth it, but the connection is clear.

If Walters could get Walker at $200k on the strength of other intangibles, then someone else has to go.  There really isn't any fat among the receivers, and Harris is untouchable.  Maybe if you cut Whitehead and Neufeld loose you could swing it.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 16, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
Or Biggie.......had a bad year last yr.. Based on last year, he could be replaceable.
Of course cutting out part of your heart would be idiotic.  But it's pro sports.  What do we need more?
An average MLB. Or a superior receiver?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue girl on February 16, 2020, 09:41:07 PM
Or Biggie.......had a bad year last yr.. Based on last year, he could be replaceable.
Of course cutting out part of your heart would be idiotic.  But it's pro sports.  What do we need more?
An average MLB. Or a superior receiver?
IMO we need a MLB more. If we cut Bighill he will be snapped up by a team right away and who do we get as a MLB?


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on February 16, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
Either that, or if they can get him down to an acceptable number they are prepared to let another veteran go.

Walters has already stated we have commitments basically to the cap.  Keeping Jefferson cost us Nevis and Roh.  Probably worth it, but the connection is clear.

If Walters could get Walker at $200k on the strength of other intangibles, then someone else has to go.  There really isn't any fat among the receivers, and Harris is untouchable.  Maybe if you cut Whitehead and Neufeld loose you could swing it.
I really don't think keeping Jefferson is what cost us Nevis as much as it was keeping Alexander at safety.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Nic16 on February 16, 2020, 09:51:55 PM
Either that, or if they can get him down to an acceptable number they are prepared to let another veteran go.

Walters has already stated we have commitments basically to the cap.  Keeping Jefferson cost us Nevis and Roh.  Probably worth it, but the connection is clear.

If Walters could get Walker at $200k on the strength of other intangibles, then someone else has to go.  There really isn't any fat among the receivers, and Harris is untouchable.  Maybe if you cut Whitehead and Neufeld loose you could swing it.

From what Walters stated at his recent presser it sounded more like Alexander?s play @ Safety was the reason they decided to go NAT + Amerc @ DT. Then IMO, it came down to Richardon?s cost/value vs Nevis.

With Roh, I believe Hansen?s play + BB interest in Antigha or using a rookie (ie, McCalister) vs Roh?s cost/value was the reason for not re-signing him.

All that said, IF the BB were to sign Walker I would think dealing an OL (possibly @ the draft) would come into play...and if needed you could cut JFG in TC to help cover some of Walker?s SMS hit.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: dd on February 16, 2020, 09:53:17 PM
IMO we need a MLB more. If we cut Bighill he will be snapped up by a team right away and who do we get as a MLB?
Agree we need a strong MLB, also agree he had a ho hum 2019 season, yet we still win the cup. Not sure if greenwood would be any cheaper than biggie but I want a top knotch MLB, we all remember the Hurl-filling-holes-doing his job days and they stunk


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 17, 2020, 12:52:31 AM
I really don't think keeping Jefferson is what cost us Nevis as much as it was keeping Alexander at safety.

Agreed. If rumors of him being 85k last year are true then it was a ratio move that had the added benefit of creating 40 or 50k of SMS room. Roh likely around the same.

People keep saying we can't get Walker without cutting someone but i see no reason why. Also, glossed over is the 70k signing bonus we gave Matthews last year up front. Thats extra funds we have added back to the SMS.

I also suspect that we paid most of Yoshi and Wolitarsky's salary for this year on last year's SMS. Nichols injury opened up a ton of cap room for us to take advantage of.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 17, 2020, 01:01:18 AM
If we get Walker, you can start Walker at WR and Adams as DI.  Both Adams and Walker would be allowed to sub in for injured Demski or Woli (or 3rd NAT starter if we go 3 NAT rec), because they are both FAKENATs.  That's intriguing as one of our NAT receivers will invariably get injured during the year.  To say it another way, either Walker or Adams as the DI could injury-sub in for every single WR/SB/RB on O.

How would you like to see 3 quarters with the lineup: Adams, Bailey, Demski, Lawler, Walker... with them counting as 2 NATs? (ignoring DEFANATs)


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 17, 2020, 01:05:04 AM
If we get Walker, you can start Walker at WR and Adams as DI.  Both Adams and Walker would be allowed to sub in for injured Demski or Woli (or 3rd NAT starter if we go 3 NAT rec), because they are both FAKENATs.  That's intriguing as one of our NAT receivers will invariably get injured during the year.  To say it another way, either Walker or Adams as the DI could injury-sub in for every single WR/SB/RB on O.

How would you like to see 3 quarters with the lineup: Adams, Bailey, Demski, Lawler, Walker... with them counting as 2 NATs? (ignoring DEFANATs)


I dont think we are going 3 NAT receiver.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 17, 2020, 01:37:17 AM
If we get Walker, you can start Walker at WR and Adams as DI.  Both Adams and Walker would be allowed to sub in for injured Demski or Woli (or 3rd NAT starter if we go 3 NAT rec), because they are both FAKENATs.  That's intriguing as one of our NAT receivers will invariably get injured during the year.  To say it another way, either Walker or Adams as the DI could injury-sub in for every single WR/SB/RB on O.

How would you like to see 3 quarters with the lineup: Adams, Bailey, Demski, Lawler, Walker... with them counting as 2 NATs? (ignoring DEFANATs)


This may possibly be the most chuckleheaded  idea you have come up with to date.

There is no way you drop $140k on Adams to dress him as a DI who can freely substitute for Wolitarsky and Demski who each missed one game last year, especially when Peterman is begging for reps.

You might want to let go of the FakeNat thing for awhile, its skewing your perspective.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 17, 2020, 03:37:22 AM
Fakenats vs  defenats ...*** has this world come to.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 17, 2020, 05:21:05 AM
Signing of Walker could mean it just cuts into the available cash for any NFL returner which would be the most likely scenario. And smartest. Or hope a returnee will give us maybe a home town deal

Listening to Walter's he said pretty much used up..didnt say it was all accounted for, and there quite possibly is some left as since he said that we picked up Antigha and now in on Walker


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: 123James321 on February 17, 2020, 01:45:17 PM
Im ok with releasing some guys to fit walker under the cap. He is a game changer, and our offense would be pretty much unstoppable.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 17, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
Im ok with releasing some guys to fit walker under the cap. He is a game changer, and our offense would be pretty much unstoppable.

Sounds easy but it's not. WHO would you be willing to cut?

I'd love to have D. Walker but honestly I'd rather sign a top CB. We're not sure how that is going to look in 2020.



Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: bigbuff33 on February 17, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
That's a good problem to potentially have to solve...

Remember...our scouts have been doing a great job the last few seasons finding players...

Having so much of our Grey Cup Championship team back...players taking less to stay here...

We're in a great postiion right now.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 17, 2020, 03:40:05 PM
Or Biggie.......had a bad year last yr.. Based on last year, he could be replaceable.
Of course cutting out part of your heart would be idiotic.  But it's pro sports.  What do we need more?
An average MLB. Or a superior receiver?

Lol... I actually thought I needed to respond to this, and then I saw the name...


Average MLB?  I know you aren't saying Biggie is an average MLB.  So are you saying is it worth it to downgrade at MLB (a position integral in Every Defensive Play) so that we can get a guy who may improve our O incrementally, touching the ball on 10 plays a game?

That's not taking into account the Heart issue...

Not even a blink of a consideration...

 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 17, 2020, 03:47:22 PM
I really don't think there is a player under contract we'd consider cutting to bring in Walker.  If we can fit him in under our current cap (which the lenghth of this "negotiation" seems to be suggesting they are trying), then have at er. 

We lost a few good players due to cap, sure, and some to the NFL.  But we retained our nucleus.  Nevis and Roh are hard ones to take, but Richardson and Hansen are not a huge downgrade on field, and a big cost savings. 

Signing Willie didn't cost us Nevis and Roh, if Richardson and Hansen were not performing at the levels they are, we re-sign Nevis and Roh. 

Just like last year, Biggie's deal didn't cost us Santos-Knox, Kyrie Wilson's play did.   If Wilson isn't playing at the level he was, they re-sign JSK. 

Scouts have been amazing at landing us the raw materials to succeed with succession plans.  And the coaches have been great at grooming that talent into CFL players.

Team effort, from the top down...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 17, 2020, 08:15:36 PM
This may possibly be the most chuckleheaded  idea you have come up with to date.

There is no way you drop $140k on Adams to dress him as a DI who can freely substitute for Wolitarsky and Demski who each missed one game last year, especially when Peterman is begging for reps.

You might want to let go of the FakeNat thing for awhile, its skewing your perspective.

You may be right.  However, say we do sign Walker... that leaves Lawler or or 2nd IMP (Bailey lately) on the bench.  Neither is FAKENAT eligible.  That's the stupid part of the new rules... you get the most flexibility if your DI is a vet FAKENAT as he can come in for any player on injury.  If all your DI receivers and DBs are young'ns then you gain nothing.  And since most teams have the young'ns as their depth, it's all a bit bass-ackwards.

I think you're right, I'm too wrapped up in over-thinking the FAKENAT thing, especially since my guess is KW/MOS hardly change a thing to take advantage of it.  It's the other teams that I think will get creative and optimize their FAKENAT usage.  The key tell will be if teams sign ageing underperforming IMPs (think Arceneaux, A.Bowman, C.Matthews, Rainey on O) on the cheap and dress them as DIs.  If those ageing guys are still better than your realNAT depth, as is the case on nearly every team except WPG, then you can really win by exploiting the new rules.  I'll try to not think about it as much...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jets on February 17, 2020, 11:18:59 PM
Here's the roster rule for 2020 based on the CFL website:

Maximum of 2 QBs (no designation)
Maximum of 20 American players (4 of which must be identified as designated Americans)
Minimum of 21 National players
Minimum of 2 Global players

So for the bombers in depth would be something like
1 QB - Collaros
2 QB - McGuire
3 RB - Harris (NAT1)
4 RB - Augustine (NAT2)
5 RB - Olivera (NAT3)
6 FB - Miller (NAT4)
7 FB - Rush (NAT5)
8 OL - Bryant (AMR)
9 OL - Hardrick (AMR)
10 OL - Couture (NAT6)
11 OL - DesJarlais (NAT7)
12 OL - Neufeld (NAT8)

13 OL - Speller (NAT9)
14 OL - Eli (NAT10)
15 SB - Demski (NAT11)
16 SB - Walker (AMR)
17 WR - Wolitarski (NAT12)
18 WR - Adams (AMR)
19 WR - Lawler (AMR)
20 SB - Petermann (NAT13)
21 WR/KR - Grant (DI1)

22 K/P - Medlock (DI2)
23 LS - Rempel (NAT14)

24 DE - Jefferson (AMR)
25 DT - Richardson (AMR)
26 DT - Thomas (NAT15)
27 DE - Jeffcoat (AMR)
28 DE/LB - Antigua (DI3)
29 DL - Random Canadian (NAT16)
30 DE - Hansen (GLO1)
31 LB - Bighill (AMR)
32 LB - Wilson (AMR)
33 SAM - Maston (AMR)
34 LB - Miles (NAT17)
35 LB - Briggs (NAT18)
36 LB - Gauthier (NAT19)
37 HB - Johnson (AMR)
38 HB - Taylor (AMR)
39 CB - Jones (AMR)
40 CB - Rookie American (AMR)
41 DB - Rookie American (DI4)
42 S - Alexander (AMR)
43 S - Exume (NAT20)
44 S - Hallett (NAT 21)
45 DB - Random Global (GLO2)


This would leave Feoli-Gudino, Gray, Whitehead, Bailey, Nelson on the outside looking in. But it would be a reasonable enough roster with Walker as a starter.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 17, 2020, 11:34:43 PM
Look Ards, you are Mr. Mensa, I know.

However, as a manager of a team you have to look at what the player contributes on the field.
Bighil didn't have a great year this past season.  Is he really worth what he gets? Or could anyone be brought in, cheaper and produce the same.?

Many teams release beloved players, when they stop producing.  To get a guy like Walker, who would be a difference maker, I proposed releasing a higher salary elseware..... Bighill,comes to mind.

Do I want to see him go? Not at all!   Just  because he is loved, we all know that if the wheels have fallen off, it's time to move on. Bowman, Matthews, Randle, and a thousand more.

Not something nice, but if there is a younger guy, who can provide the same heart and performance, it's just a matter of time.

Thank you for the compliment, coming from you helps validate my notion.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 18, 2020, 03:57:09 AM
Look Ards, you are Mr. Mensa, I know.

However, as a manager of a team you have to look at what the player contributes on the field.
Bighil didn't have a great year this past season.  Is he really worth what he gets? Or could anyone be brought in, cheaper and produce the same.?

Many teams release beloved players, when they stop producing.  To get a guy like Walker, who would be a difference maker, I proposed releasing a higher salary elseware..... Bighill,comes to mind.

Do I want to see him go? Not at all!   Just  because he is loved, we all know that if the wheels have fallen off, it's time to move on. Bowman, Matthews, Randle, and a thousand more.

Not something nice, but if there is a younger guy, who can provide the same heart and performance, it's just a matter of time.

Thank you for the compliment, coming from you helps validate my notion.

Bighill struggled with injury early in the year, in the playoffs, there was no issue with his play.

If we had a Kyrie Wilson waiting to replace Biggie, you might potentially consider a SMS saving move that includes cutting the heart out of the team.

The issue is that he *is* playing well, there are no SMS issues, and even if there were SMS issues, upgrading at WR is not important enough to make a move like that. 

You don't need a Mensa rating to figure that out (oh, BTW, I'm not a fan of Mensa, its not that exclusive, top 2% qualify.  Being a member the Triple Nines would be a lot more impressive)



Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: BigBlueCrew on February 18, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
Bighill struggled with injury early in the year, in the playoffs, there was no issue with his play.

If we had a Kyrie Wilson waiting to replace Biggie, you might potentially consider a SMS saving move that includes cutting the heart out of the team.

The issue is that he *is* playing well, there are no SMS issues, and even if there were SMS issues, upgrading at WR is not important enough to make a move like that. 

You don't need a Mensa rating to figure that out (oh, BTW, I'm not a fan of Mensa, its not that exclusive, top 2% qualify.  Being a member the Triple Nines would be a lot more impressive)



You just said it yourself, he had a tough year with injuries. Let him play another year of hopefully injury free football and then make your decision. Also, who are you going to replace Wilson with? Cutting him only makes us short at another position. Biggie is working his tail off this off season. I'm not sure if it's the same as every off season but he's working his *** off to get ready for the season. Just an awful take


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 18, 2020, 02:15:00 PM
well now you could with Awe...though I don't believe that is the direction we are going..Aw would prob make nore than Wilson as well I bet...or if anything the same


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on February 18, 2020, 03:19:57 PM
You just said it yourself, he had a tough year with injuries. Let him play another year of hopefully injury free football and then make your decision. Also, who are you going to replace Wilson with? Cutting him only makes us short at another position. Biggie is working his tail off this off season. I'm not sure if it's the same as every off season but he's working his *** off to get ready for the season. Just an awful take

I think you may have missed Aards' point, or maybe meant to quote DM83...


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 18, 2020, 03:25:01 PM
well now you could with Awe...though I don't believe that is the direction we are going..Aw would prob make nore than Wilson as well I bet...or if anything the same

Well if Walters wants to continue pursuing Walker the path to do so is now pretty clear with the signing of Awe.  I hope he doesn't cut Bighill as he's still the heart of the D and adding Walker's salary would be too expensive for what he adds to the O attack.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 18, 2020, 03:35:17 PM
Well if Walters wants to continue pursuing Walker the path to do so is now pretty clear with the signing of Awe.  I hope he doesn't cut Bighill as he's still the heart of the D and adding Walker's salary would be too expensive for what he adds to the O attack.
Doubt it...Biggie isn't going nowhere....if anything the savings in the salaries of Roh/Nevis/K.Jones/D.Jones/Hecht/Fenner who will be replaced by rookies/second contract cheaper guys off-set that, and if we have to dump a another salary to make it work, it will be one of Gray/Speller/Eli moved for a 2021 draft pick...shedding anywhere from 80 to 100K off our payroll

And from what I hear Walker may be around the 185k range apparently now


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sec227 on February 18, 2020, 03:35:22 PM
Well if Walters wants to continue pursuing Walker the path to do so is now pretty clear with the signing of Awe.  I hope he doesn't cut Bighill as he's still the heart of the D and adding Walker's salary would be too expensive for what he adds to the O attack.
Walker is one guy of many.  But has anyone hear what kind of $$ Tasker wants??..Might be a better fit, and bang for the buck. Played with zach in 2014.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 18, 2020, 03:41:38 PM
Walker is one guy of many.  But has anyone hear what kind of $$ Tasker wants??..Might be a better fit, and bang for the buck. Played with zach in 2014.

I like Tasker but he's not a blocker, basically a Dressler clone who can find the soft spots and provide the QB a soft target.  Demski should be focusing on learning that role.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 18, 2020, 04:38:14 PM
Doubt it...Biggie isn't going nowhere....if anything the savings in the salaries of Roh/Nevis/K.Jones/D.Jones/Hecht/Fenner who will be replaced by rookies/second contract cheaper guys off-set that, and if we have to dump a another salary to make it work, it will be one of Gray/Speller/Eli moved for a 2021 draft pick...shedding anywhere from 80 to 100K off our payroll

And from what I hear Walker may be around the 185k range apparently now

I think we spent the Nevis/Roh savings on Jefferson.  I think Fenner paid for Johnson. I don't think there was much savings on Hecht and Jones, despite their veteran status, but it probably allowed us to pick up Awe and Antigha.

If we get another receiver, I think the savings have to come from the offensive side.  I think we might be paying Whitehead more than the minimum, so maybe allocating his salary towards Walker, might get you part way there.  For the rest, I think it is most likely that we deal Neufeld, start Speller, and go with Gray and Eli for depth.  Not sure I would do it, but that seems to be how the math lines up.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 18, 2020, 05:28:23 PM
I think we spent the Nevis/Roh savings on Jefferson.  I think Fenner paid for Johnson. I don't think there was much savings on Hecht and Jones, despite their veteran status, but it probably allowed us to pick up Awe and Antigha.

If we get another receiver, I think the savings have to come from the offensive side.  I think we might be paying Whitehead more than the minimum, so maybe allocating his salary towards Walker, might get you part way there.  For the rest, I think it is most likely that we deal Neufeld, start Speller, and go with Gray and Eli for depth.  Not sure I would do it, but that seems to be how the math lines up.

We have 70k in SMS relief from the upfront paid to Matthews last year. That should help somewhat. We do have to budget for the rookie contracts going up as well.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 18, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
We have 70k in SMS relief from the upfront paid to Matthews last year. That should help somewhat. We do have to budget for the rookie contracts going up as well.

We also don't have to budget for first round draft pick(s) like we have in year's past too. Although I think that has been somewhat fixed in the new CBA. Still, money we can spend which we didn't have before.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 18, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
I like the signing, great depth at LB now.  Has to be a value signing at this juncture, which is odd, but great.  And what LB wouldn't be jazzed at coming to play for MOS?  Although you have to wonder why he left with Young coming in and Eiben as LB coach...

I'm hoping this isn't a Buff scenario, where we need a contingency plan in case Biggie doesn't start the season.  I thought his injuries were fully rehabbed, his play in the playoffs seemed to suggest that. 

Otherwise, maybe it is a "load management" scenario.  Or maybe we start rotating to a 3 man front with 4 LB's.  Awe does bring a lot to the table in that way, and Jefferson is worth 2 guys on the DLine...  Dline make tackles at or behind the LOS, but if big hitting LB's give up a yard or two in 3 down ball, while making other plays more difficult, maybe...

Regardless, we won't see Biggie cut for SMS reasons.  And we know he won't string the team out like Buff did if there is an issue...



Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 18, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
Bombers sign LB M. Awe.  Great addition. I'm just not sure how he fits in as far as roster size and DI situation.

I'd say he's an upgrade over Wilson but Wilson is also a very good player.

Adding Awe and Antigua really improves LB depth without a doubt.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on February 18, 2020, 06:41:02 PM
Bombers sign LB M. Awe.  Great addition. I'm just not sure how he fits in as far as roster size and DI situation.

I'd say he's an upgrade over Wilson but Wilson is also a very good player.

Adding Awe and Antigua really improves LB depth without a doubt.

As was mentioned, these are upgrades in the DI's we had last year, and ST demons...  more than keeping up with the Jones's


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 18, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
Bombers sign LB M. Awe.  Great addition. I'm just not sure how he fits in as far as roster size and DI situation.

I'd say he's an upgrade over Wilson but Wilson is also a very good player.

Adding Awe and Antigua really improves LB depth without a doubt.

I think Wilson is a better WIL than Awe.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 18, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
I think Wilson is a better WIL than Awe.

So how does Awe fit in then? He's more experienced and I'm not sure we can get all these LB's on the roster at the same time.

Awe isn't going to be on an ELC and we signed him for 2 years.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 18, 2020, 07:10:42 PM
I like the signing, great depth at LB now.  Has to be a value signing at this juncture, which is odd, but great.  And what LB wouldn't be jazzed at coming to play for MOS?  Although you have to wonder why he left with Young coming in and Eiben as LB coach...

I'm hoping this isn't a Buff scenario, where we need a contingency plan in case Biggie doesn't start the season.  I thought his injuries were fully rehabbed, his play in the playoffs seemed to suggest that. 

Otherwise, maybe it is a "load management" scenario.  Or maybe we start rotating to a 3 man front with 4 LB's.  Awe does bring a lot to the table in that way, and Jefferson is worth 2 guys on the DLine...  Dline make tackles at or behind the LOS, but if big hitting LB's give up a yard or two in 3 down ball, while making other plays more difficult, maybe...

Regardless, we won't see Biggie cut for SMS reasons.  And we know he won't string the team out like Buff did if there is an issue...



I can assure you with great confidence that Biggie has no lingering injury by seeing him daily at gym..what he's doing, and how he works out...He wouldn't be doing the heavy sled work he does...the range of Jefferson curls with the weight he's using and his squat work with a bad hammy...an even remotely suspect one would have ruptured already...I expect people to see the explosive and game changing Bighill this year


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 18, 2020, 07:12:19 PM
I believe Awe is direct competition for Bighill and the Bombers backup plan at MLB. You aren't going to pay someone top end dollars for middle tier results (at best). You can't move on without someone ready to go. If Bighill returns to 2018 form there won't be a discussion. If he gets hurt again, or is making similar contributions to last year then you might see a tough decision. At the very least, if we're patient, Awe learns the position and they evaluate and decide for 2021 if Biggie's third year is worth picking up. It's certainly hedging our bets I believe.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 18, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
I believe Awe is direct competition for Bighill and the Bombers backup plan at MLB. You aren't going to pay someone top end dollars for middle tier results (at best). You can't move on without someone ready to go. If Bighill returns to 2018 form there won't be a discussion. If he gets hurt again, or is making similar contributions to last year then you might see a tough decision. At the very least, if we're patient, Awe learns the position and they evaluate and decide for 2021 if Biggie's third year is worth picking up. It's certainly hedging our bets I believe.

Again...who has said "top dollars"...nobody...and Awe has taken just as many if not more snaps in the Will spot..he is here for direct competition there and the loser becomes Korey Jones...not sure why people are so freaked out by this...Heck we paid 120k for Fenner to ride the pine..as a scratch a lot of games, and I'd be shocked if thats what Awe is getting this late into Free Agency...he's valuable because he can play WILL or MACK


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 18, 2020, 07:29:52 PM
I think Wilson is a better WIL than Awe.

Wilson didn't get me as jazzed as Santos-Knox did.  I haven't watched Awe all that closely over the last year, but I don't think Wilson can afford to get complacent. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 18, 2020, 07:32:12 PM
Again...who has said "top dollars"...nobody...and Awe has taken just as many if not more snaps in the Will spot..he is here for direct competition there and the loser becomes Korey Jones...not sure why people are so freaked out by this...Heck we paid 120k for Fenner to ride the pine..as a scratch a lot of games, and I'd be shocked if thats what Awe is getting this late into Free Agency...he's valuable because he can play WILL or MACK

SMS questions aside.

I thought signing Antigua would be the replacement for Korey Jones. Because of his versatility he becomes more valuable being able to rotate at DE, LB and safety.

It's possible we may not need a DB as a DI as a result in order for both Antigua and Awe can make the game day IR. OTOH we're bringing in loads of DB's.

Just guessing but we may be planning a Thomas / Griffith rotation at DB while keeping an import at safety? I had expected Alexander to move back to DHB but now I'm not so sure.

Back to SMS: if we end up signing D. Walker something might have to give. We have depth at Canadian OL so maybe there is an option there.

Lots of variables in the works as usual during the off season.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 18, 2020, 07:34:33 PM
Wilson didn't get me as jazzed as Santos-Knox did.  I haven't watched Awe all that closely over the last year, but I don't think Wilson can afford to get complacent. 

Wilson often seemed invisible. That said, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not unhappy with his play but we've brought in 2 LB's that can play WIL. I'd say Awe is a bigger hitter.

So it's only a question when new players are added.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 18, 2020, 07:35:25 PM
Wilson didn't get me as jazzed as Santos-Knox did.  I haven't watched Awe all that closely over the last year, but I don't think Wilson can afford to get complacent. 

For sure. Wilson will be in a battle for his job. However, Awe brings the big physicality but whiffs on lots of plays. Wilson is not a big hitter but has way more range and is much better form tackler. It will be interesting.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 18, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
Again...who has said "top dollars"...nobody...and Awe has taken just as many if not more snaps in the Will spot..he is here for direct competition there and the loser becomes Korey Jones...not sure why people are so freaked out by this...Heck we paid 120k for Fenner to ride the pine..as a scratch a lot of games, and I'd be shocked if thats what Awe is getting this late into Free Agency...he's valuable because he can play WILL or MACK

I believe he was referring to Adam Bighill.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 18, 2020, 07:37:51 PM
Wilson often seemed invisible. That said, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not unhappy with his play but we've brought in 2 LB's that can play WIL. I'd say Awe is a bigger hitter.

So it's only a question when new players are added.

I think Antigha was brought in as a multi purpose player with no real designation other than he can back up at multiple positions and is a very good ST player. Awe is a more of a direct competition for Wilson but can back up nicely at either WIL or MIKE and is also useful for STs.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 18, 2020, 07:45:30 PM
SMS questions aside.

I thought signing Antigua would be the replacement for Korey Jones. Because of his versatility he becomes more valuable being able to rotate at DE, LB and safety.

It's possible we may not need a DB as a DI as a result in order for both Antigua and Awe can make the game day IR. OTOH we're bringing in loads of DB's.

Just guessing but we may be planning a Thomas / Griffith rotation at DB while keeping an import at safety? I had expected Alexander to move back to DHB but now I'm not so sure.

Back to SMS: if we end up signing D. Walker something might have to give. We have depth at Canadian OL so maybe there is an option there.

Lots of variables in the works as usual during the off season.

I think we could forego an import db at DI with Antigha on roster, as Alexander would slot to HB or Corner, and Antigha could conceivably go to Safety. He also serves as rotation with Hansen at an END spot and in either scenario one of Wilson or Awe would be the DI that Jones was in last year, which I think would be the best use of our depth on defense.

We have Exume and Hallet also still on roster, possible a draftee DB/or value free agent who will make the cut, and we did run the last part of the season with no actual import DB as a DI last year, so doing it again isn't out of the equation...heck, Awe is fast enough (sub 4.60 forty) so have him thumping as a back-up safety..certainly would have receivers running around with alligator arms




Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 18, 2020, 07:53:53 PM
Again...who has said "top dollars"...nobody...and Awe has taken just as many if not more snaps in the Will spot..he is here for direct competition there and the loser becomes Korey Jones...not sure why people are so freaked out by this...Heck we paid 120k for Fenner to ride the pine..as a scratch a lot of games, and I'd be shocked if thats what Awe is getting this late into Free Agency...he's valuable because he can play WILL or MACK

Bighill is making top dollar is what I meant. Production wasn't there last year. Gotta hedge your bets. To put it another way, if you start Awe you can suddenly afford Walker if that's what we wanted to do. I like Bighill, but he's taking up a lot of cap dollars and for that to continue he needs to have a much bigger impact this year. His 61 tackles is the lowest of his career. I know he had some fumbles and picks last year, but to put in perspective it's about 4100 a tackle last year. Too much. Not good value.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 18, 2020, 07:59:56 PM
SMS questions aside.

I thought signing Antigua would be the replacement for Korey Jones. Because of his versatility he becomes more valuable being able to rotate at DE, LB and safety.

It's possible we may not need a DB as a DI as a result in order for both Antigua and Awe can make the game day IR. OTOH we're bringing in loads of DB's.

Just guessing but we may be planning a Thomas / Griffith rotation at DB while keeping an import at safety? I had expected Alexander to move back to DHB but now I'm not so sure.

Back to SMS: if we end up signing D. Walker something might have to give. We have depth at Canadian OL so maybe there is an option there.

Lots of variables in the works as usual during the off season.

Walters made it pretty clear Hall and the D coaches loved what Alexander brought at Safety, so I don't expect that to change.  Antigua may add versatility but I doubt we see him at Safety covering speedy Banks.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on February 18, 2020, 08:24:07 PM
Walters made it pretty clear Hall and the D coaches loved what Alexander brought at Safety, so I don't expect that to change.  Antigua may add versatility but I doubt we see him at Safety covering speedy Banks.

People keep mentioning this but did Walters explicitly say that Alexander is penciled in as the safety next year or did he just say that he did a really good job when placed there last year? (Serious question, I didn't see this presser).

It is hard for me to imagine putting our most talented DB at the position most easily filled. Seems like a bit of a waste.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 18, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
People keep mentioning this but did Walters explicitly say that Alexander is penciled in as the safety next year or did he just say that he did a really good job when placed there last year? (Serious question, I didn't see this presser).

It is hard for me to imagine putting our most talented DB at the position most easily filled. Seems like a bit of a waste.

Here is a link to the interview, judge for yourself.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2020/02/11/kyle-walters-free-agency-update-3/


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 18, 2020, 08:48:08 PM
People keep mentioning this but did Walters explicitly say that Alexander is penciled in as the safety next year or did he just say that he did a really good job when placed there last year? (Serious question, I didn't see this presser).

It is hard for me to imagine putting our most talented DB at the position most easily filled. Seems like a bit of a waste.

There is no doubt Alexander can play at safety if we choose to go that direction. The possible issue is whether we have enough Canadian depth at DT behind Thomas. Griffith hasn't played a game yet and we don't really know his upside. Losing Kongbo took away the 2nd Canadian that could rotate on the DL even though he did that at DE.

And yes it seems a waste of our most experienced DB to leave him at safety.

Another Canadian DL might still be added before TC.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2020, 01:35:05 AM
There is no doubt Alexander can play at safety if we choose to go that direction. The possible issue is whether we have enough Canadian depth at DT behind Thomas. Griffith hasn't played a game yet and we don't really know his upside. Losing Kongbo took away the 2nd Canadian that could rotate on the DL even though he did that at DE.

And yes it seems a waste of our most experienced DB to leave him at safety.

Another Canadian DL might still be added before TC.

Went through the entire F.A. list of available Natl. D-linemen and here s what's left. 

WESTERMAN Jamaal
MRABURE Ese
TURNER Junior
WESTERMAN Jabar
JOSEPH Jesse
MARSHALL Andrew
GODIN  Edward

I don't think they'll be bringing in any of these players but the ratio solution may still be available in another position. 

Still think they should have gone all in on Courtney Stephen.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2020, 02:56:33 AM
I would like to see us get another Canadian DT. Jabar Westerman mite be that guy at the right price.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2020, 03:47:19 AM
I would like to see us get another Canadian DT. Jabar Westerman mite be that guy at the right price.

They already have Griffiths so adding Jabar W. wouldn't really increase the ratio flexibility, they need to be able to pop in another Natl. at a different position without causing too much damage, perhaps Briggs, Exhume or Hallett could fill that role temporarily if needed.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2020, 04:42:32 AM
If we are going to start Thomas at DT, which we are. I would like to see a little more depth at that position other then Griffiths who hasn't had any playing time in the CFL.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on February 19, 2020, 05:05:33 AM
If we are going to start Thomas at DT, which we are. I would like to see a little more depth at that position other then Griffiths who hasn't had any playing time in the CFL.

That is what the draft is for.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 19, 2020, 05:10:45 AM
That is what the draft is for.

I was thinking a player with a little more experience in the CFL.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on February 19, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
I was thinking a player with a little more experience in the CFL.

It order to gain experience, you need to be given a chance to gain experience.  Many starters in the league are backed up by rookies.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 19, 2020, 12:21:20 PM
It order to gain experience, you need to be given a chance to gain experience.  Many starters in the league are backed up by rookies.

It's not ideal to have to rely on rookies to play big roles on any team. However, you are right that we could potentially draft one capable of doing so. It's risky to bank on that though and especially when you don't have a first round pick.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on February 19, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
It order to gain experience, you need to be given a chance to gain experience.  Many starters in the league are backed up by rookies.

The problem is that Thomas himself is not a full time starter-quality DT, and so in order to be effective, he needs heavy rotation. Thus, we are essentially asking a rookie to be a "part time starter", given the way we rotate constantly on DL. If Griffiths is capable of filling that role effectively, no problem. But it is a risk because we don't know that.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: booch on February 19, 2020, 01:42:43 PM
The problem is that Thomas himself is not a full time starter-quality DT, and so in order to be effective, he needs heavy rotation. Thus, we are essentially asking a rookie to be a "part time starter", given the way we rotate constantly on DL. If Griffiths is capable of filling that role effectively, no problem. But it is a risk because we don't know that.

Just the thought right now of this years defense based on Thomas as the starting D-tackle, with??? backing him up is un-easy feeling and almost a let down from the previous years success story...Now maybe if we had Laing as the starter, with Jake in his usual role it would be a bit easier to stomach, but even then would have much preferred us going the National at safety, and plugging the interior with Richardson and another monster...long way till TC and things can change, and I don't totally buy Walter's with his comment on shifting the ratio to have a national on the line, but time will tell


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 19, 2020, 02:07:13 PM
Getting someone like Laing to start at DT would have been ideal. It wasn't in the cards. Griffith is a giant question mark. He may have good upside but is he capable of heavy rotation this year? That's the question.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 19, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
Just the thought right now of this years defense based on Thomas as the starting D-tackle, with??? backing him up is un-easy feeling and almost a let down from the previous years success story...Now maybe if we had Laing as the starter, with Jake in his usual role it would be a bit easier to stomach, but even then would have much preferred us going the National at safety, and plugging the interior with Richardson and another monster...long way till TC and things can change, and I don't totally buy Walter's with his comment on shifting the ratio to have a national on the line, but time will tell

It would not be the first time that the Bombers switched their ratio plans before/during camp. Anyone remember Hurl "winning" the MLB position a few years ago in TC when we were told it was going to be an IMP? Or Taylor Loffler having a strong camp and unseating the dude from Saskatchewan after a couple games. If we are not getting the level of play we require from Thomas/Griffith it will not take long before we look elsewhere to make ratio.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2020, 04:02:52 PM
It would not be the first time that the Bombers switched their ratio plans before/during camp. Anyone remember Hurl "winning" the MLB position a few years ago in TC when we were told it was going to be an IMP? Or Taylor Loffler having a strong camp and unseating the dude from Saskatchewan after a couple games. If we are not getting the level of play we require from Thomas/Griffith it will not take long before we look elsewhere to make ratio.

Your memory is skewed, once they determined that Hurl was the ratio solution they stubbornly stood their ground and did nothing to alter the situation for the remainder of the season, not ever acknowledging there was a problem.  Once the season began they didn't bring anyone else in, didn't make any trades or experiment with different Natls. in different positions, they stuck to their faulty guns through to the last bullet.  I think this episode more than anything cemented O'Shea's reputation for devil-dog stubbornness and loyalty, happily he seems to have mellowed with age.....at least a little bit.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 19, 2020, 04:46:06 PM
Your memory is skewed, once they determined that Hurl was the ratio solution they stubbornly stood their ground and did nothing to alter the situation for the remainder of the season, not ever acknowledging there was a problem.  Once the season began they didn't bring anyone else in, didn't make any trades or experiment with different Natls. in different positions, they stuck to their faulty guns through to the last bullet.  I think this episode more than anything cemented O'Shea's reputation for devil-dog stubbornness and loyalty, happily he seems to have mellowed with age.....at least a little bit.

In fairness, I think they knew they wanted to get better at MLB, but they defended Hurl because that is what you do for your players.  And we had way fewer options for national starters at the time. 

But I agree, that Hurl is not the best example.  Loffler was a better example of someone who caused them to change their ratio calculations mid-season.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 19, 2020, 05:08:37 PM
Your memory is skewed, once they determined that Hurl was the ratio solution they stubbornly stood their ground and did nothing to alter the situation for the remainder of the season, not ever acknowledging there was a problem.  Once the season began they didn't bring anyone else in, didn't make any trades or experiment with different Natls. in different positions, they stuck to their faulty guns through to the last bullet.  I think this episode more than anything cemented O'Shea's reputation for devil-dog stubbornness and loyalty, happily he seems to have mellowed with age.....at least a little bit.

That offseason Kyle Walters was on record that the Bombers were going to go with an IMP at MLBer. When they took a look at their ratio options in TC the original plan was ditched and Hurl was handed the MLBer spot instead. Prior to that the Bombers had strongly hinted it would be a battle between Knox and Wild.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2020, 05:17:33 PM
In fairness, I think they knew they wanted to get better at MLB, but they defended Hurl because that is what you do for your players.  And we had way fewer options for national starters at the time. 

But I agree, that Hurl is not the best example.  Loffler was a better example of someone who caused them to change their ratio calculations mid-season.

Trying to recall what the ratio mix was back then, they had Jake, Westerman, Hurl and Loffler but the requirement for a Natl. playing the D side couldn't have been more than 2 or 3.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2020, 05:19:41 PM
That offseason Kyle Walters was on record that the Bombers were going to go with an IMP at MLBer. When they took a look at their ratio options in TC the original plan was ditched and Hurl was handed the MLBer spot instead. Prior to that the Bombers had strongly hinted it would be a battle between Knox and Wild.

Right, we were expecting Kyle Knox to assume the position as he had been with the club the year prior and Wild wasn't big enough to play the MLB position well, the same for Bass.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 19, 2020, 05:58:50 PM
Right, we were expecting Kyle Knox to assume the position as he had been with the club the year prior and Wild wasn't big enough to play the MLB position well, the same for Bass.

Yep. Knox did kind of lay a turd sandwich that camp too, so that made the choice a bit easier to digest I guess. I believe the orginal plan was Ekakitie/Thomas at DT and Knox at MLB. When the NAT DTs underwhelmed in TC they rejigged it and gave the job to Hurl for another year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2020, 06:48:08 PM
Yep. Knox did kind of lay a turd sandwich that camp too, so that made the choice a bit easier to digest I guess. I believe the orginal plan was Ekakitie/Thomas at DT and Knox at MLB. When the NAT DTs underwhelmed in TC they rejigged it and gave the job to Hurl for another year.

People tend to forget that Hurl was the MLB his first year in Wpg. but got relegated to playing only ST for his entire second year while Wild and Bass took a crack at the job.  That is why it was so disturbing when they returned him to starting MLB in his 3rd year.  Sam was great to have on the roster as a backup MLB and ST'er as he still is, but not a player to rely on as a starter. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - Discussion on Signings by the Blue Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on February 19, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
People tend to forget that Hurl was the MLB his first year in Wpg. but got relegated to playing only ST for his entire second year while Wild and Bass took a crack at the job.  That is why it was so disturbing when they returned him to starting MLB in his 3rd year.  Sam was great to have on the roster as a backup MLB and ST'er as he still is, but not a player to rely on as a starter. 

For sure. It was a huge surprise at the time that the Bombers put him back at starting MLBer after that ship had seemingly sailed.