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Title: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: the paw on January 31, 2020, 03:03:54 PM
Kavis really hamstrung the Als with a bunch of expensive contracts with multiple roster bonuses in each.  In trying to get their SMS in shape, they have released Pipkin, Tommy Campbell, and Devier Posey.  All 3 of those guys could help the Bombers.

They also traded Lokombo to the Argos for a conditional 8 the round pick.  Not sure what the condition is, but that's ridiculous.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2020, 03:07:35 PM
I wanted Lokombo last year and he'd be a good fit at safety. Maybe his salary was out of line but he can play LB and safety. Big hitter and plays well on ST's.

Didn't know they released Campbell but he's another good talent we could use. We should be on the phone to his agent and see what he's looking for SMS wise.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: kkc60 on January 31, 2020, 03:50:38 PM
Lokombo would have been a nice add. Campbell still could be


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 31, 2020, 03:55:19 PM
Campbell would be a great addition to secondary.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: booch on January 31, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
ace in hole too i a lot of thee guys cut prior to free-agency may want to come here too...and why wouldn't they...Campbell though in getting up there in age would still be serviceable for at least a year...and he has come out and said he would play at minimum if Montreal had asked him...so he gonna be playing with some edge this yr for sure..I'd bring him in, and tell him to bring his buddy Posey...


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: kkc60 on January 31, 2020, 04:07:48 PM
ace in hole too i a lot of thee guys cut prior to free-agency may want to come here too...and why wouldn't they...Campbell though in getting up there in age would still be serviceable for at least a year...and he has come out and said he would play at minimum if Montreal had asked him...so he gonna be playing with some edge this yr for sure..I'd bring him in, and tell him to bring his buddy Posey...
Campbell was a guy I wanted when he originally hit FA. 6'3 with good speed is almost not fair


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
Campbell would be a great addition to secondary.

Could be a character issue, the Stamps cut him when he was charged for selling drugs out of his mother?s house back home, eventually the charges were dropped so I guess that makes him innocent.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: BlueInCgy on January 31, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
Could be a character issue, the Stamps cut him when he was charged for selling drugs out of his mother?s house back home, eventually the charges were dropped so I guess that makes him innocent.

Campbell wasn't cut by the Stamps.  He might have been suspended, I don't recall, but that isn't unusual when there is an investigation ongoing.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 31, 2020, 04:24:23 PM
Could be a character issue, the Stamps cut him when he was charged for selling drugs out of his mother?s house back home, eventually the charges were dropped so I guess that makes him innocent.

Seems like a non-starter. I think he was probably due a bonus soon and the Alouettes opted to let him go instead.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
I wanted Lokombo last year and he'd be a good fit at safety. Maybe his salary was out of line but he can play LB and safety. Big hitter and plays well on ST's.

Didn't know they released Campbell but he's another good talent we could use. We should be on the phone to his agent and see what he's looking for SMS wise.

Salary is an issue with Lokombo, he wouldn't come cheap and may be making in the vicinity of $200,000 already.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2020, 04:34:43 PM
Salary is an issue with Lokombo, he wouldn't come cheap and may be making in the vicinity of $200,000 already.

Yes but he's a starter quality Canadian.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2020, 04:44:15 PM
Yes but he's a starter quality Canadian.

True but they probably could not afford both Lokombo and Bighill, it's one or the other.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2020, 04:54:40 PM
Als also sign former Bomber draft pick Felix Briere, if he keeps trying sooner or later he's going to stick.

Bri?re (5?11?, 179 lbs.) spent time with the Alouettes in 2019 before joining the Saskatchewan Roughriders. The 26-year-old athlete was drafted in the fourth-round (34th total) by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the 2017 CFL Draft. The Saint-Agathe-des-Monts, QC native was also part of Ottawa REDBLACKS squad. In May 2017, he was invited to the New York Giants rookie camp. He now joins Alouettes General Manager Danny Maciocia, with whom he won the 2014 Vanier Cup with the Universit? de Montr?al Carabins.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue_or_die on January 31, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
I am (or at least was) a huge fan of Posey. If we are going in a different direction than Adams I would love to sign him.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Horseman on January 31, 2020, 05:09:20 PM
Cambell's age (32) is against him. Posey could be a consideration, but his best season was only 750+ yards, I hope we would be going after a higher producing receiver. I would not re-sign Adams.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blueraid on January 31, 2020, 05:13:46 PM
hmmmmmmmm..Campbell definitely worth a look and Posey also...They're both sound players and for the right price could add a lot to the club...Give it a look Walters...Campbell playing for minimum is a gift


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue_or_die on January 31, 2020, 05:15:33 PM
Maybe we could trade Toronto a 7th round conditional pick for Lokombo? That we they net themselves 1 conditional round pick. Solid deal right there.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: theaardvark on January 31, 2020, 05:29:46 PM
True but they probably could not afford both Lokombo and Bighill, it's one or the other.

Not sure what Lokombo's salary is, and he wouldn't be here as an MLB, but rather a safety coming downhill... BOOM.   Would have been a nice addition, wait for the trade deadline... during Toronto's firesale ;)


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2020, 05:47:36 PM
True but they probably could not afford both Lokombo and Bighill, it's one or the other.

Depends if we're certain we're going to lose Jefferson. I'd say even then we could have room in the SMS, it's a question of whether we want to pay that much for a safety.

Regardless it's not easy or cheap to find a starting Canadian. Staying with an import would be cheaper but we still need that 7th Canadian.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2020, 05:50:55 PM
Not sure what Lokombo's salary is, and he wouldn't be here as an MLB, but rather a safety coming downhill... BOOM.   Would have been a nice addition, wait for the trade deadline... during Toronto's firesale ;)

Well he'd certainly give us injury depth / flexibility at both MLB and WIL. He's also give us the opportunity for some different defensive looks.

Toronto isn't likely to trade him away after just getting him.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2020, 06:21:59 PM
Not sure what Lokombo's salary is, and he wouldn't be here as an MLB, but rather a safety coming downhill... BOOM.   Would have been a nice addition, wait for the trade deadline... during Toronto's firesale ;)

Every team in the league could use Lokombo, so he's well pursued and paid accordingly as a ratio breaker.  It doesn't matter the specific position, he's versatile enough to play multiple roles.  Als probably could not afford to pay both Muamba at $225,000 and him, god knows what their ratio solutions are, Danny Maciocia has the job of cleaning up Kavis's messy house.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
Lokombo would have been a yes, the rest NO.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: kkc60 on January 31, 2020, 08:28:33 PM
Lokombo would have been a yes, the rest NO.
I'd take any and all of em


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue girl on January 31, 2020, 09:48:11 PM
I'd make an offer to Campbell and Posey.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: BigBomberFan on January 31, 2020, 11:13:25 PM
I'm sorry to hear that the Als are still in so much trouble. It's not good for the league. When Reed traded for Manziel, it was a hail mary pass in all senses of the phrase, and when they brought Taman on board--a guy that is known to wheel and deal prospects for today's gain--my first thought unfortunately was "there's nothing left there for Taman to mortgage".

I'm wondering the real true extent of the damage of the franchise. It seems to get worse every month.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 01, 2020, 01:41:41 AM
I'm sorry to hear that the Als are still in so much trouble. It's not good for the league. When Reed traded for Manziel, it was a hail mary pass in all senses of the phrase, and when they brought Taman on board--a guy that is known to wheel and deal prospects for today's gain--my first thought unfortunately was "there's nothing left there for Taman to mortgage".

I'm wondering the real true extent of the damage of the franchise. It seems to get worse every month.


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Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: DM83 on February 01, 2020, 01:52:02 AM
Posey is a good player.
But only at a reasonable price.
Zach made a few good,receivers look great


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: the paw on February 01, 2020, 02:48:13 AM
I'm sorry to hear that the Als are still in so much trouble. It's not good for the league. When Reed traded for Manziel, it was a hail mary pass in all senses of the phrase, and when they brought Taman on board--a guy that is known to wheel and deal prospects for today's gain--my first thought unfortunately was "there's nothing left there for Taman to mortgage".

I'm wondering the real true extent of the damage of the franchise. It seems to get worse every month.

Maciocia has a mess to clean up that's for sure, but its not insurmountable.  All the guys he's dumping have multiple bonuses due in the off season.  I think Campbell had a Feb bonus, another one in April/May and then a third for reporting to camp.  That's a crazy way to structure things.  He can likely replace several of these guys in free agency and save some SMS.

Lokombo makes no sense to me though.  He's a starting quality CDN and even if you had to dump his salary, he should have commanded  a better price.

Wasting the draft picks on Manziel probably hurts the worst, but they required Adams for free, so that takes some of the sting out.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 01, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
Funny how most here were balking at $160k for Loffler a year ago but are giddy at the idea of getting Lokombo for $200k this year... Lokombo's good, but he's a hitter like Loffler, not a ball tracker, ball hawk or hands guy.  Sure, he's usually healthier than Loffler, but they are kind of the same player (with a slight edge to Lokombo).

I thought no one wanted to spend big $$ at FS because "it's the easiest position to hide a NAT in".  I don't think we're a team to take a big $$ FA FS.  Try to draft a guy for ELC who can develop, or sign an under-appreciated (i.e. cheap) FA NAT.

Where the heck is Loffler, anyhow?  Tub med still?


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: RebusRankin on February 01, 2020, 03:17:06 PM
Evans and Ackie are two potential free agents to be that would look great in Blue and Gold, especially Ackie.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2020, 03:34:06 PM
Funny how most here were balking at $160k for Loffler a year ago but are giddy at the idea of getting Lokombo for $200k this year... Lokombo's good, but he's a hitter like Loffler, not a ball tracker, ball hawk or hands guy.  Sure, he's usually healthier than Loffler, but they are kind of the same player (with a slight edge to Lokombo).

I thought no one wanted to spend big $$ at FS because "it's the easiest position to hide a NAT in".  I don't think we're a team to take a big $$ FA FS.  Try to draft a guy for ELC who can develop, or sign an under-appreciated (i.e. cheap) FA NAT.

Where the heck is Loffler, anyhow?  Tub med still?


Lokombo is a better overall player with less injury problems than Loffler. He is much more versatile where he could actually start if needed. Loffler was never going to play at WIL or MLB.

OTOH most of agree $200K is not a wise expenditure for a player most likely to play mostly at safety.

It really depends whether we have other areas to upgrade and add a 7th Canadian starter.

At the moment I don't see it at receiver or OL. There might be some opportunity on the DL.

Ackie was mentioned but he wouldn't come cheap either and overall I'd take Lokombo as preferable for the same money. Regardless he's not a free agent. Ackie probably stays where he is as well.

An earlier dream would have been Adeleke for a smaller SMS hit and possible better upside


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Pigskin on February 01, 2020, 05:10:56 PM
If we don't land Jefferson, I would take a hard run at Chris Ackie, he makes a lot of plays.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2020, 05:37:04 PM
If we don't land Jefferson, I would take a hard run at Chris Ackie, he makes a lot of plays.

I like Ackie and he's versatile. He's missed a bunch of games in each of the last 4 seasons including 2019. Anybody remember when he was injured and what that injury was? He only played 10 games last year.

Regardless, I'd want the team to at least speak to his agent and see what his expectations might be.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Pigskin on February 01, 2020, 05:44:38 PM
I believe he was a late signing because he was hanging around the NFL.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
Just on a side note I wonder how Loffler is recovering from his injury and what his outlook is for 2020?

He's not a free agent but I could see him being released with that hanging over his head and if the Als re-sign Ackie.



Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: theaardvark on February 01, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
Just on a side note I wonder how Loffler is recovering from his injury and what his outlook is for 2020?

He's not a free agent but I could see him being released with that hanging over his head and if the Als re-sign Ackie.


He obviously does not have a roster bonus in his deal... I'd pass on bringing Loffler back, even with load management he is an injury concern, just from the way he plays, and if he doesn't play that way, he's not the player you want...  plus he is not getting younger, each injury gets him closer to the end... we went though that with Buck.  No doubting the desire or talent, just writing cheques the body can't cash,,,


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
He obviously does not have a roster bonus in his deal... I'd pass on bringing Loffler back, even with load management he is an injury concern, just from the way he plays, and if he doesn't play that way, he's not the player you want...  plus he is not getting younger, each injury gets him closer to the end... we went though that with Buck.  No doubting the desire or talent, just writing cheques the body can't cash,,,

I don't want him back after another critical knee injury. I am wondering if his career is over. That would be unfortunate but that's sports and injury. He might be better off saving what's left of both his knees at this point.

If can return I'd expect the Als to re-negotiate his deal based on games played / performance. Too much risk.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: dd on February 01, 2020, 10:26:06 PM
I?d be going after tommy Campbell to address some of our secondary issues


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on February 02, 2020, 05:48:42 AM
The receivers I would like to have are Burnham, Roosevelt, SJ Green.  I think we should dump Matthews as he has been a non factor in the lineup anyways. 


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: DM83 on February 02, 2020, 06:06:05 AM
I am guessing Loffler is done.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Nic16 on February 02, 2020, 03:55:13 PM
The receivers I would like to have are Burnham, Roosevelt, SJ Green.  I think we should dump Matthews as he has been a non factor in the lineup anyways. 

Matthews was ?dumped? by the BB last summer.

Burnham re-upped with BC a year ago.

Roosevelt has slowed down and is a bit of an injury risk....no thanks for me.

SJ would be a real nice 1 yr addition to our young receiver group, and he plays boundary side SB. Lawler & Bailey and one the new rookies (ie, Stewart) could learn a ton from him.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 02, 2020, 09:54:29 PM
Matthews was ?dumped? by the BB last summer.

Burnham re-upped with BC a year ago.

Roosevelt has slowed down and is a bit of an injury risk....no thanks for me.

SJ would be a real nice 1 yr addition to our young receiver group, and he plays boundary side SB. Lawler & Bailey and one the new rookies (ie, Stewart) could learn a ton from him.

WARNING!  Although still a solid contributor SJ is now 34 and he peaked 3 long years ago.  Danger Will Robinson! DANGER!


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Nic16 on February 03, 2020, 03:46:09 PM
WARNING!  Although still a solid contributor SJ is now 34 and he peaked 3 long years ago.  Danger Will Robinson! DANGER!

2 yrs with 1,000+ yds since his career year and 85 receptions in 2019.

10 receptions in the game vs BB last year.

Several 35 yr old receivers have had 800-1000+ yd seasons and were CFL all-stars at that age.

Imo, SJ could easily join that 35+ club.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2020, 04:07:45 PM
I can see Lapo going hard after SJ Green... that's a guy that can give a QB confidence. 


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue_or_die on February 03, 2020, 05:14:43 PM
It would be cool if we signed SJ. Kind of like Collaros- always wanted them on our team, it just took most of a decade for that to materialize.

Hopefully both have much to give!


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 03, 2020, 05:17:21 PM
2 yrs with 1,000+ yds since his career year and 85 receptions in 2019.

10 receptions in the game vs BB last year.

Several 35 yr old receivers have had 800-1000+ yd seasons and were CFL all-stars at that age.

Imo, SJ could easily join that 35+ club.

Yeah, I'm sure the Bombers can squeeze one more year of magic out of old SJ.....it's probably worked before.....err it couldn't fail thrice!  ;D


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 04, 2020, 05:46:11 AM
I'm ambivalent on SJ.  If cheap enough, sure.

I just wanted to point out that regarding SJ's 2019 stats... take with a grain of salt because you really can't count that "SJ game" (I think vs OTT?) where they basically threw to no one else but SJ the whole game just to amp up his big night.  I remember it well, because no one told me ahead of time it was SJ night and I didn't pick him in fantasy...


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
SJ is long in the tooth. I hope we don't go down that road.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2020, 05:02:20 PM
SJ is long in the tooth. I hope we don't go down that road.

Agreed. I think there's better available at this point. Unless Green were to sign a cheap contract, which I doubt.


Title: Re: Alouettes Fire Sale
Post by: Nic16 on February 04, 2020, 11:04:36 PM
Agreed. I think there's better available at this point. Unless Green were to sign a cheap contract, which I doubt.

IMO, SJ Green likely still has another good year left in him @ boundary SB. I?d love his veteran presence there, but cost vs need certainly comes into play.