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Title: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on December 14, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
So, on the lists, this is the work each team has to do, and what they have done...

Team     FA's      Signed
MTL       28           0
OTT       35           0
TOR       33           3    Joeseph (OL), Woods, Worthy
HAM       31           0
WPG      25           4    Neufeld, Maston, Hardrick, Wolitarski
SSK       32           1    Henry
CGY       30           5    Law, Lawrence, Milanovich-Litre, Wall, Wiggan
EDM       36           0
BC         31           1    Rutley



So, 22 left to decide on, 3 important starters already re-upped.

5 of 12 GC starters on D signed, 9 of 12 on O, and our 2 specialists...



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: M.O.A.B. on December 14, 2019, 04:12:06 PM
Mtl has to settle their GM first

Ott and Edm just settled their coaches last week

Ham is still crying in the corner because of their GC loss


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue newt on December 14, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
Mtl has to settle their GM first

Ott and Edm just settled their coaches last week

Ham is still crying in the corner because of their GC loss

I can empathize with that feeling.  As a Bomber fan, I've felt that more than the joy of winning it!

But I wonder if Hamilton is delayed by waiting on news about Masoli's injury.  Whether they choose to pursue signing him again is going to considerably affect how much money they have to spend elsewhere.   I'm guessing they let him go, and Ottawa picks him up, but I've not seen any news/interviews from either the team or Masoli that hints at what might happen there.  Has anyone seen anything that implies it's a done deal that he's leaving?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: KINGCHARLES on December 15, 2019, 03:05:36 PM
I would imagine Jefferson and Rose will be gone to the NFL. Like Jefferson was already the Miami Dolphins best player without even playing for them yet. Rose with the ball hawking ability could easily be a 5th or 6th DB for a lot of NFL teams. Did I hear correctly that Rose and Jefferson worked out for the Dolphins? If so they are both gone. Dolphins D couldnt beat the Redblacks.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bigbuff33 on December 15, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
That's what happens with championship teams...if we lose Willy and Rose...I'll wish them all the best...

Glad we have all our scouts back...the last few years with a real scouting department has resulted in a much quality of player coming to play for the Blue


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on December 15, 2019, 04:55:49 PM
Just for reference, CatFan will be shocked to know that Hamilton has:

3 of their GC starting D signed, and 6 of the starting O.  9 of the 24 starters in the GC are signed (plus the 2 specials)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 16, 2019, 01:22:28 AM
I can empathize with that feeling.  As a Bomber fan, I've felt that more than the joy of winning it!

But I wonder if Hamilton is delayed by waiting on news about Masoli's injury.  Whether they choose to pursue signing him again is going to considerably affect how much money they have to spend elsewhere.   I'm guessing they let him go, and Ottawa picks him up, but I've not seen any news/interviews from either the team or Masoli that hints at what might happen there.  Has anyone seen anything that implies it's a done deal that he's leaving?


Well there was this TSN report from Nov. 25th, for what it's worth.

"TSN's CFL Insiders Dave Naylor and Farhan Lalji reported over Grey Cup Weekend that while the team has Evans under contract for the next two seasons and Masoli is a pending free agent, the Ticats want both QBs back in the fold next season.

"Hamilton is set with Dane Evans. He has two years left on his contract at a reasonable number so that?s a very good situation for the Ticats going forward," Naylor said. "They would like to have Jeremiah Masoli back. He started the season as their No. 1 quarterback, had an ACL injury at the end of July, and not 100 per cent certain when he'll be ready to play, but the Ticats want him back in the fold. They believe this is a two-quarterback league."

https://www.tsn.ca/hamilton-tiger-cats-want-qb-jeremiah-masoli-back-next-season-1.1403738

If the TiCats can keep Masoli's interest for max. $500,000 and bump Evans without exceeding $250,000 they might be able to handle the SMS hit with the help of the 6-game IR.  Kind of depends on what Masoli is looking for, he's already 31 and hasn't achieved anything, if he's after the biggest pay off without the consideration of playing for a competitive team, T.O. might convince him to throw away his G.C. ambitions on a longer 3 year $600,000 plus contract.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 16, 2019, 02:05:17 AM
Well there was this TSN report from Nov. 25th, for what it's worth.

"TSN's CFL Insiders Dave Naylor and Farhan Lalji reported over Grey Cup Weekend that while the team has Evans under contract for the next two seasons and Masoli is a pending free agent, the Ticats want both QBs back in the fold next season.

"Hamilton is set with Dane Evans. He has two years left on his contract at a reasonable number so that?s a very good situation for the Ticats going forward," Naylor said. "They would like to have Jeremiah Masoli back. He started the season as their No. 1 quarterback, had an ACL injury at the end of July, and not 100 per cent certain when he'll be ready to play, but the Ticats want him back in the fold. They believe this is a two-quarterback league."

https://www.tsn.ca/hamilton-tiger-cats-want-qb-jeremiah-masoli-back-next-season-1.1403738

If the TiCats can keep Masoli's interest for max. $500,000 and bump Evans without exceeding $250,000 they might be able to handle the SMS hit with the help of the 6-game IR.  Kind of depends on what Masoli is looking for, he's already 31 and hasn't achieved anything, if he's after the biggest pay off without the consideration of playing for a competitive team, T.O. might convince him to throw away his G.C. ambitions on a longer 3 year $600,000 plus contract.
interesting. With those numbers TiCats could become hamstrung for other positions of need.

Ala the same issue the Lions had this year.

If I were the Ticats I?m done with Masoli the Canoli.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 16, 2019, 03:25:11 AM
If the TiCats can keep Masoli's interest for max. $500,000 and bump Evans without exceeding $250,000 they might be able to handle the SMS hit with the help of the 6-game IR.

With the 2 QB 2020 situation is that what teams are going to do?  Might we sign Nichols/Collaros/Strev (assuming Strev comes back asap) and then instantly dump one of N/C on the 6GIR?  If so, that keeps teams within the SMS, but it doesn't actually help the stated goal of managing team cost expectations for new buyers/teams.  If we pay N & C, say, $350k each, we may only show $350k of SMS hit for most of the year, but it will still be $700k out of club's pocket for the season.

And like someone else already said, if making a mockery of the rules like this becomes commonplace, why not just make better rules that get it all "out in the open"?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on December 16, 2019, 01:11:59 PM
Evans is stuck there by his contract, but we saw what happened in Toronto with Wilder, and BC with Jennings.  Sure, they want both back, who wouldn't.  But Evans has proven himself as a starter, and to expect him to languish on the sidelines for 2 years happily making ELC backup wage, not sure what his mindset is, but that's not a good situation.  WHich means he gets a renegotiated contract and a bump.

Masoli isn't signing for a low end deal, he can get legit starter money out there.  And if he were to re-sign, who is the starter? 

Yes, it is a 2 QB league, d'oh.  But having 2 QB's under the cap, not so easy.  Like saying we should sign Nichols and Collaros..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 16, 2019, 01:43:02 PM
With the 2 QB 2020 situation is that what teams are going to do?  Might we sign Nichols/Collaros/Strev (assuming Strev comes back asap) and then instantly dump one of N/C on the 6GIR?  If so, that keeps teams within the SMS, but it doesn't actually help the stated goal of managing team cost expectations for new buyers/teams.  If we pay N & C, say, $350k each, we may only show $350k of SMS hit for most of the year, but it will still be $700k out of club's pocket for the season.

And like someone else already said, if making a mockery of the rules like this becomes commonplace, why not just make better rules that get it all "out in the open"?


No, we will not sign a QB and dump him on the 6 game IR...neither will Hamilton. Players on the 6 game are not allowed to practice or attend team meetings and must also agree to go on the 6 game. If a team wants to do that...go for it...they are not doing themselves any favors whatsoever.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 16, 2019, 01:47:21 PM
I would imagine Jefferson and Rose will be gone to the NFL. Like Jefferson was already the Miami Dolphins best player without even playing for them yet. Rose with the ball hawking ability could easily be a 5th or 6th DB for a lot of NFL teams. Did I hear correctly that Rose and Jefferson worked out for the Dolphins? If so they are both gone. Dolphins D couldnt beat the Redblacks.

To be honest I bet we lose Sayles to the NFL before Rose, He's much more in the mold of the NFL DB special teamer. If both get an opportunity tho I can see Rose back here before Sayle


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on December 16, 2019, 02:57:29 PM
To be honest I bet we lose Sayles to the NFL before Rose, He's much more in the mold of the NFL DB special teamer. If both get an opportunity tho I can see Rose back here before Sayle

Rose in Cincinnati today.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on December 16, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
I think Naylor is out to lunch.  There is no way you can put Evans back on the bench after the year he had for them. He is playing as well as Masoli did, and is clearly the future for them. 

And Masoli is not signing to be anyone's back-up or "1B".  He fought for a long time to get his shot, and he's been very productive.  He is going to be able to ask for, and get, a contract that establishes him as the clear starter.  (By that I mean significant signing bonus, and fewer incentives based on games played etc.)  His ACL recovery is a factor, but in a year when both the Argos and Ottawa are desperate for a proven starter he has sufficient leverage. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on December 16, 2019, 03:12:42 PM
Rose in Cincinnati today.
Sayles is there too


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 16, 2019, 04:19:51 PM
No, we will not sign a QB and dump him on the 6 game IR...neither will Hamilton. Players on the 6 game are not allowed to practice or attend team meetings and must also agree to go on the 6 game. If a team wants to do that...go for it...they are not doing themselves any favors whatsoever.

There is a very good possibility that Masoli will not be ready for the beginning of the year, so it is a reasonable possibility in his case, not so much anywhere else.  Who's to say what the chemistry on the Ti-Cat team is, Evans knows he was fortunate to receive the opportunity to accelerate his development time and he may be content to let this year play out instead of forcing a change which could damage the teams hopes of winning a G.C.  By all accounts he is the ultimate team player.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 16, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
I think Naylor is out to lunch.  There is no way you can put Evans back on the bench after the year he had for them. He is playing as well as Masoli did, and is clearly the future for them. 

And Masoli is not signing to be anyone's back-up or "1B".  He fought for a long time to get his shot, and he's been very productive.  He is going to be able to ask for, and get, a contract that establishes him as the clear starter.  (By that I mean significant signing bonus, and fewer incentives based on games played etc.)  His ACL recovery is a factor, but in a year when both the Argos and Ottawa are desperate for a proven starter he has sufficient leverage. 

Sure they would Masoli is their veteran. Same kind of situation as Arbuckle not replacing BLM. Although Arbuckle is a potential free agent while Evans is not. Evans is already under contract on an ELC for 2 years IIRC.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 16, 2019, 06:15:18 PM
Sure they would Masoli is their veteran. Same kind of situation as Arbuckle not replacing BLM. Although Arbuckle is a potential free agent while Evans is not. Evans is already under contract on an ELC for 2 years IIRC.

The TiCats need to extend Evans ASAP to a bigger money deal or he may fly the coop to an NFL offer that is not strong. In this age where everyone can go any offseason now, teams with underpaid QBs best make them fairly compensated quickly imo. Making Evans sit on an ELC for another two years is not exactly the cheese that will entice him to be loyal.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on December 16, 2019, 06:44:26 PM
I think Naylor is out to lunch.  There is no way you can put Evans back on the bench after the year he had for them. He is playing as well as Masoli did, and is clearly the future for them. 

And Masoli is not signing to be anyone's back-up or "1B".  He fought for a long time to get his shot, and he's been very productive.  He is going to be able to ask for, and get, a contract that establishes him as the clear starter.  (By that I mean significant signing bonus, and fewer incentives based on games played etc.)  His ACL recovery is a factor, but in a year when both the Argos and Ottawa are desperate for a proven starter he has sufficient leverage. 

Thinking the exact same on all points. No idea what Naylor is thinking...unless he?s a Ti-Cat fan and it?s all wishful thinking.

Evans is a bonafide starter, and bringing Masoli back for what would amount to $200G+/yr more to be the backup...I just don?t see that working. Masoli is now at the stage in his career where he will want/need to be the starter and will demand the $$ that goes with it.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on December 16, 2019, 06:50:29 PM
Sure they would Masoli is their veteran. Same kind of situation as Arbuckle not replacing BLM. Although Arbuckle is a potential free agent while Evans is not. Evans is already under contract on an ELC for 2 years IIRC.

Not the same situation at all, IMHO.  Arbuckle played well, but no one would say he plays as well as Bo Levi.  And Bo Levi is under contract, Arbuckle is not.  It's exactly the opposite in Hamilton.  

Evans played as well as Masoli did, he is way younger, they can lock him up long term for a very affordable rate (that will still be a mega-raise for him), and he isn't coming off an ACL.   Putting him back on the bench may show loyalty to your veteran, but it will sure sour the dynamic in the QB room.  And  since his contract is up its not like you have to cut your veteran , you just have to say "couldn't come to terms".

I guess they might try to have their cake and eat it too, but I'll be surprised if it goes down that way.  


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 16, 2019, 07:19:29 PM
Not the same situation at all, IMHO.  Arbuckle played well, but no one would say he plays as well as Bo Levi.  And Bo Levi is under contract, Arbuckle is not.  It's exactly the opposite in Hamilton.  

Evans played as well as Masoli did, he is way younger, they can lock him up long term for a very affordable rate (that will still be a mega-raise for him), and he isn't coming off an ACL.   Putting him back on the bench may show loyalty to your veteran, but it will sure sour the dynamic in the QB room.  And  since his contract is up its not like you have to cut your veteran , you just have to say "couldn't come to terms".

I guess they might try to have their cake and eat it too, but I'll be surprised if it goes down that way.  

I disagree Evans played as well as Masoli. He's a 1st year starter and there is no guarantee he can repeat that performance any more than Arbuckle. Since he's under contract he has little choice but to be the # 2 is Masoli is re-signed. It's a luxury to have if injury, delay in returning from injury or poor performance rears it's head under Masoli.

If he does have 2 years remaining on his current contract there is no financial issue. Define long term contract? When do we see contracts longer than 3 years. So at best Evans would get an additional season added but a more expensive contract starting in 2020?

Don't see the point when the option out still exists.

Did you watch his inexperienced show up in the Grey Cup game? I'm not saying Masoli would have won if he played but IMO that game would have been different and probably closer.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 16, 2019, 07:21:22 PM
Not the same situation at all, IMHO.  Arbuckle played well, but no one would say he plays as well as Bo Levi.  And Bo Levi is under contract, Arbuckle is not.  It's exactly the opposite in Hamilton.  

Evans played as well as Masoli did, he is way younger, they can lock him up long term for a very affordable rate (that will still be a mega-raise for him), and he isn't coming off an ACL.   Putting him back on the bench may show loyalty to your veteran, but it will sure sour the dynamic in the QB room.  And  since his contract is up its not like you have to cut your veteran , you just have to say "couldn't come to terms".

I guess they might try to have their cake and eat it too, but I'll be surprised if it goes down that way.  

Yep the cards kind of lay in Masoli's hands, if he can make similar money elsewhere he might be wise to explore his options as it's not likely the Ti-Cats are going to let Evans explore F.A. in the next few years, he's their future.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 16, 2019, 07:32:10 PM
Yep the cards kind of lay in Masoli's hands, if he can make similar money elsewhere he might be wise to explore his options as it's not likely the Ti-Cats are going to let Evans explore F.A. in the next few years, he's their future.

Masoli might get a better offer elsewhere but he might prefer Hamilton.

Going into 2019 Masoli was the current and future franchise QB in Hamilton.. The thought that Evans is the future and wouldn't explore other options at the end of any contract expiring is not written in stone anywhere.

In 2018 Masoli threw for more yards than any QB besides Reilly.

Now it's possible that Evans will become a top 3 QB in the CFL. Perhaps he deserves that much praise.

I see no reason why the Ticats don't re-sign Masoli and he regains the role of # 1 QB.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 17, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Does HAM have a good GM and HC?  If so, HAM keeps Masoli as #1 and pays him as such.  Evans accepts the backup role with some nice incentives added in, or you trade him to a tirefire team for some major asset you require.  My guess is he stays, and that allows HAM to ease Masoli back in if he's not quite ready in week 1.

HAM could also wait until some team gets desperate for a QB to fill in for an injury and then trade Evans for a big asset.

Just don't make Evans your short-yardage guy!  Hahahahaha  :o ;D ;D 8)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 17, 2019, 12:24:02 PM
Does HAM have a good GM and HC?  If so, HAM keeps Masoli as #1 and pays him as such.  Evans accepts the backup role with some nice incentives added in, or you trade him to a tirefire team for some major asset you require.  My guess is he stays, and that allows HAM to ease Masoli back in if he's not quite ready in week 1.

HAM could also wait until some team gets desperate for a QB to fill in for an injury and then trade Evans for a big asset.

Just don't make Evans your short-yardage guy!  Hahahahaha  :o ;D ;D 8)

I can tell you one thing about QBs that I've learned from my years playing and coaching football. No matter what they say they are never happy to be a backup. You guys are in la la land if you think that after the season Evans had that he will be a happy camper holding a clip board for the next 1-2 years behind Masoli.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 17, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
I disagree Evans played as well as Masoli. He's a 1st year starter and there is no guarantee he can repeat that performance any more than Arbuckle. Since he's under contract he has little choice but to be the # 2 is Masoli is re-signed. It's a luxury to have if injury, delay in returning from injury or poor performance rears it's head under Masoli.

If he does have 2 years remaining on his current contract there is no financial issue. Define long term contract? When do we see contracts longer than 3 years. So at best Evans would get an additional season added but a more expensive contract starting in 2020?

Don't see the point when the option out still exists.

Did you watch his inexperienced show up in the Grey Cup game? I'm not saying Masoli would have won if he played but IMO that game would have been different and probably closer.

Masoli is just as inexperienced in Grey Cups as Dane Evans, and imho he would not have won that game for the TiCats either. We were just a dominant team that day. Evans didn't really do anything wrong that day, his OL couldn't handle our pass rush. Masoli would have been a dead duck too.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on December 17, 2019, 01:09:37 PM
I agree.  There is no team in the CFL on that day, could have handled our team.  They were unbeatable.  Give credit to the coaching staff for that.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 17, 2019, 01:20:21 PM
Thing in Hamilton, if Masoli is healthy and ready, and signs back there, then Evan's has to beat him out in TC and pre-season and confirm he is the better, he can't default as the starter because he had a decent season last year, tho wilting when it mattered most. I don't think masoli would have beat our defence in the Grey Cup but he would have gave more a fight and been a better leader.

If Evan's doesn't out perform Masoli and win the job outta TC last year, then he has no reason to pout and be unhappy being the back-up...bide your time and win it back in practice...show you are a true teamate


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
Thing in Hamilton, if Masoli is healthy and ready, and signs back there, then Evan's has to beat him out in TC and pre-season and confirm he is the better, he can't default as the starter because he had a decent season last year, tho wilting when it mattered most. I don't think masoli would have beat our defence in the Grey Cup but he would have gave more a fight and been a better leader.

If Evan's doesn't out perform Masoli and win the job outta TC last year, then he has no reason to pout and be unhappy being the back-up...bide your time and win it back in practice...show you are a true teamate

Ummm... if the TiCats give Masoli a new deal, at starters money, then heck yeah, Evans has something to pout about.  He led their team to a franchise record number of wins and a GC appearance they would probably have won against CGY or SSK... 

I don't know where you can say he has no reason to pout if the team chooses to bring in someone over to of his that he has to "beat out in camp" just to end up making a fraction of the money if he does so.

Epitome of "something to pout about"...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 17, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
Masoli is just as inexperienced in Grey Cups as Dane Evans, and imho he would not have won that game for the TiCats either. We were just a dominant team that day. Evans didn't really do anything wrong that day, his OL couldn't handle our pass rush. Masoli would have been a dead duck too.

I said I didn't think Masoli would have beaten the Bombers. I said he would have played better. I don't agree Evans didn't do anything wrong. Pressure made him force the ball into coverage rather than throw it away for example or take the sack. Not being as aware of pocket pressure etc etc.

A more experienced QB doesn't make those mistakes and reads the defense better.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 17, 2019, 02:56:42 PM
Ummm... if the TiCats give Masoli a new deal, at starters money, then heck yeah, Evans has something to pout about.  He led their team to a franchise record number of wins and a GC appearance they would probably have won against CGY or SSK... 

I don't know where you can say he has no reason to pout if the team chooses to bring in someone over to of his that he has to "beat out in camp" just to end up making a fraction of the money if he does so.

Epitome of "something to pout about"...

He has no reason to pout..Masoli may have lead them to a better record...and won the cup...you dont know otherwise..nor does he...nor do the Cats...and he signed on at a 3 year deal knowing he was the "back-up" to Masoli...not the starter...so in Camp...prove that you are the starter...suck it up...welcome the challenge and prove your worth...any other attitude or character flaw is something i WOULDN'T  want on my squad...and his pissy attitude,lack of leadership and whining and turtling in the Grey Cup tells me he isn't ready for prime time regardless what he did last year during the regular season....he signed his deal...he has to honor it and prove he is better...how you don't see that is baffling...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 17, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
He has no reason to pout..Masoli may have lead them to a better record...and won the cup...you dont know otherwise..nor does he...nor do the Cats...and he signed on at a 3 year deal knowing he was the "back-up" to Masoli...not the starter...so in Camp...prove that you are the starter...suck it up...welcome the challenge and prove your worth...any other attitude or character flaw is something i WOULDN'T  want on my squad...and his pissy attitude,lack of leadership and whining and turtling in the Grey Cup tells me he isn't ready for prime time regardless what he did last year during the regular season....he signed his deal...he has to honor it and prove he is better...how you don't see that is baffling...

The thing is that he doesn't have to honor his deal now that CFL players can try the NFL after every offseason. He has a great arm, he might decide to test that South of the border. Better to hold a clip board down there than up here. He is locked in for two more years up here, no doubt about it, but at some point Hamilton has to make a choice and if they are a quality organization not hold back one of the two guys involved.

IF the Ticats believe Evans is the future, it would be risky to re-sign Masoli. However, I do agree that if both are signed that it should be an open competition in camp. May the best man win...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
He has no reason to pout..Masoli may have lead them to a better record...and won the cup...you dont know otherwise..nor does he...nor do the Cats...and he signed on at a 3 year deal knowing he was the "back-up" to Masoli...not the starter...so in Camp...prove that you are the starter...suck it up...welcome the challenge and prove your worth...any other attitude or character flaw is something i WOULDN'T  want on my squad...and his pissy attitude,lack of leadership and whining and turtling in the Grey Cup tells me he isn't ready for prime time regardless what he did last year during the regular season....he signed his deal...he has to honor it and prove he is better...how you don't see that is baffling...

To be in the situation to decide between Evans starting or backing up, they have to consciously decide to bring back Masoli.  A conscious decision to pass over Evans, who has more than proven himself...  If they sign Masoli to a starters wage, they are saying to Evans, "We have you under contract at ELC money, even though you could start in the league, so shut up and take it".  Like Toronto did with Wilder, and BC with Jennings, except in both those cases, i don't think they showed as much as Evans has.

The thing is that he doesn't have to honor his deal now that CFL players can try the NFL after every offseason. He has a great arm, he might decide to test that South of the border. Better to hold a clip board down there than up here. He is locked in for two more years up here, no doubt about it, but at some point Hamilton has to make a choice and if they are a quality organization not hold back one of the two guys involved.

IF the Ticats believe Evans is the future, it would be risky to re-sign Masoli. However, I do agree that if both are signed that it should be an open competition in camp. May the best man win...

Not sure if it is resolved yet, but players under contract for 202 can't work out for NFL teams... yet.  Players becoming FA'S in Feb, no problem.  But Evans is not eligible at the present time.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 17, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
To be in the situation to decide between Evans starting or backing up, they have to consciously decide to bring back Masoli.  A conscious decision to pass over Evans, who has more than proven himself...  If they sign Masoli to a starters wage, they are saying to Evans, "We have you under contract at ELC money, even though you could start in the league, so shut up and take it".  Like Toronto did with Wilder, and BC with Jennings, except in both those cases, i don't think they showed as much as Evans has.

Not sure if it is resolved yet, but players under contract for 202 can't work out for NFL teams... yet.  Players becoming FA'S in Feb, no problem.  But Evans is not eligible at the present time.

The window will be in place sooner or later. The CFLPA will make sure of that. This was a cornerstone to their acceptance of the deal, no chance that they going to go this entire offseason without their membership having that opportunity. The CFL will have to straighten this out with the NFL and once they do the NFL tryout window will be temporarily moved for this season.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 17, 2019, 04:56:41 PM
you gotta get this "entry level" contract thing out of your mind..he's not making league minimum, and he actually re-upped for 3 years "after" his entry level 2018 contract...you make it seem like he is at 54k a year,


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 17, 2019, 04:58:24 PM
you gotta get this "entry level" contract thing out of your mind..he's not making league minimum, and he actually re-upped for 3 years "after" his entry level 2018 contract...you make it seem like he is at 54k a year,

I doubt Roh makes more than 75k per.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 17, 2019, 05:03:17 PM
I doubt Roh makes more than 75k per.
Thought it was reported he was 80 or 90k?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on December 17, 2019, 05:07:39 PM
6 CFL Players workout for Cincinnati Bengals, including Marcus Sayles and Winston Rose

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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 17, 2019, 05:48:43 PM
I doubt Roh makes more than 75k per.

I don't think Roh up and moved his family to Wpg. and signed long-term for so little, good chance he would be starting for many other teams in the league, he's positionally sound and a good pass-rusher.   I would ball-park him at $100,000 at least.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 18, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
Masoli is just as inexperienced in Grey Cups as Dane Evans, and imho he would not have won that game for the TiCats either. We were just a dominant team that day. Evans didn't really do anything wrong that day, his OL couldn't handle our pass rush. Masoli would have been a dead duck too.

My study looked at years-in-cfl as the indicator of making it to / winning GCs.  We'd have to do a "visits to GCs before wins" study to see if it's common/uncommon for QBs to win GCs on their first visit, and what the average # of visits before wins is.  I'm not sure it's as important as you think, but I could be wrong (look at Collaros) -- but the years-in-cfl is definitely a valid indicator and Masoli kills Evans on that front.

As for Masoli winning: I'd say the game would have been super close and required a heck of a lot more fight and risk had Masoli been playing.  Evans did two things that Masoli wouldn't:
1. Hang on to the ball too long: Evans was doing that most of the night, not satisfied to take the shorter reads.
2. Throw on the run: Evans is clearly a pocket passer, he did basically zero throwing on the run in the GC; Masoli escapes and makes things happen downfield like Flutie.

I said I didn't think Masoli would have beaten the Bombers. I said he would have played better. I don't agree Evans didn't do anything wrong. Pressure made him force the ball into coverage rather than throw it away for example or take the sack. Not being as aware of pocket pressure etc etc.

A more experienced QB doesn't make those mistakes and reads the defense better.

This

...and [Evans'] pissy attitude,lack of leadership and whining and turtling in the Grey Cup tells me he isn't ready for prime time regardless what he did last year during the regular season....he signed his deal...he has to honor it and prove he is better...

This!  He was pouting off the field, dissing his OL, and the sideline shots I saw never showed him rallying the troops when they clearly needed rallying.  I'm not too aware of Masoli's intangibles, but I'm sure he wouldn't have been yelling at his OL and throwing hissy fits.

IF the Ticats believe Evans is the future, it would be risky to re-sign Masoli. However, I do agree that if both are signed that it should be an open competition in camp. May the best man win...

I think Evans is the future the same way Strev is the future here (yes, I know, Evans is a far better passer).  We would like them to be the future, but we realize we aren't winning a cup next year with them as starter.  If HAM says Evans is the man and Masoli can walk, then they are doing the same thing SSK is: risking it all on the basis of one season's performance.  I think HAM is better run than that to make such a rookie mistake.

The only, only way HAM chooses Evans over Masoli is if HAM is hurting for cap space and wants to spend more on other areas.  Yes, they could save massive wads by going full-Rider and running with just Evans, and you can buy a lot of hot FA talent with that wad.  But is the risk worth it?  If I'm the GM, I'm not choosing the no-Masoli option!  YMMV.

I'd love to hear catfan's take on Evans vs Masoli and his prediction.  He should know his team better than all of us combined.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on December 18, 2019, 02:35:41 PM
With all due respect your studies don't mean crap. Every situation has it's own variables and therefore cannot be directly compared. Experience does count for sure, how much it counts is highly variable and unique to each player. Some guys can come in and take the league some storm, some take years of grooming.

Evans played extremely good football and led his team to an outstanding 15-3 record last year. That is just straight up fact. Did he have a poor Grey Cup game....sure did. However, a lot of that was us forcing him to have a poor game as well. Evans has demonstrated he is a starting calibre QB in this league by any metric. Does he need to learn how to win the big one...sure...just as Nichols, Masoli, Harris, Fajardo, and Adams have to learn how to win the big one. People trying to discredit his success because he was a first year starter is pathetic. It should actually be the opposite that people should be wondering, after a very good season, just how high this guy's upside really is. Hamilton would be monumentally stupid to not give him the rock and let him continue his climb by parking him on the bench for 1-2 more years. He has clearly demonstrated he can play at a very high level and the experience he has gained from this year's GC will help him immensely in preparation for the future.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 18, 2019, 03:34:59 PM
With all due respect your studies don't mean crap. Every situation has it's own variables and therefore cannot be directly compared. Experience does count for sure, how much it counts is highly variable and unique to each player. Some guys can come in and take the league some storm, some take years of grooming.

Evans played extremely good football and led his team to an outstanding 15-3 record last year. That is just straight up fact. Did he have a poor Grey Cup game....sure did. However, a lot of that was us forcing him to have a poor game as well. Evans has demonstrated he is a starting calibre QB in this league by any metric. Does he need to learn how to win the big one...sure...just as Nichols, Masoli, Harris, Fajardo, and Adams have to learn how to win the big one. People trying to discredit his success because he was a first year starter is pathetic. It should actually be the opposite that people should be wondering, after a very good season, just how high this guy's upside really is. Hamilton would be monumentally stupid to not give him the rock and let him continue his climb by parking him on the bench for 1-2 more years. He has clearly demonstrated he can play at a very high level and the experience he has gained from this year's GC will help him immensely in preparation for the future.

Two words. Jonathan Jennings.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on December 18, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
Two words. Jonathan Jennings.

Here's 11 words for you.  Ricky Ray, Trevor Harris, Mike Reilly, Bo Levi Mitchell, Zach Collaros.   

All guys who took their first opportunity to start a chunk of games and never looked back. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 18, 2019, 03:50:53 PM
Two words. Jonathan Jennings.

There is two sides to every coin. Jonathan Jennings not very good, Bo on the other hand took over for an injured Drew Tate and KG, and has never looked back.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 18, 2019, 03:52:43 PM
We could also add KG to that list.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 18, 2019, 03:57:51 PM
Here's 11 words for you.  Ricky Ray, Trevor Harris, Mike Reilly, Bo Levi Mitchell, Zach Collaros.   

All guys who took their first opportunity to start a chunk of games and never looked back. 

So you can name 5 QB's in the history of the CFL. How many more have been flashes in the pan. I guarantee that list would be a lot longer.

Casey Printers, Marcus Crandal, Joe 747 Adams, Drew Tate all looked good early.

Not to say Evans is not the next great QB but you can also look at the struggles Harris has had since becoming a starter. Lots of yards, not many wins etc etc. Mike Reilly had a horrible 1st season in Edmonton.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on December 18, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
So you can name 5 QB's in the history of the CFL. How many more have been flashes in the pan. I guarantee that list would be a lot longer.

Casey Printers, Marcus Crandal, Joe 747 Adams, Drew Tate all looked good early.

Not to say Evans is not the next great QB but you can also look at the struggles Harris has had since becoming a starter. Lots of yards, not many wins etc etc. Mike Reilly had a horrible 1st season in Edmonton.

Well, I didn't go through the whole history of the league, those are 5 very recent guys, all contemporaries of Jennings.  It's not to say a guy can't be a flash in the pan, but Evans sample size was pretty good. 

And Reilly did not have a terrible season in 2013, he threw for 4200 yards and a 24-18 TD/INT ratio.  The Esks as a team has a bad year, going 4-14, don't conflate the two.   And if Harris is your idea of a struggling QB, then you better take another look at Masoli.  Harris has outperformed Masoli hands down. 

C'mon man, don't dig the hole any deeper.   I will admit there is a certain chance that Evans could flame out.  But based on his body of work, in the context of how most QBs develop, he is much more likely to be a successful starter than Jennings 2.0.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 18, 2019, 04:33:49 PM
Well, I didn't go through the whole history of the league, those are 5 very recent guys, all contemporaries of Jennings.  It's not to say a guy can't be a flash in the pan, but Evans sample size was pretty good. 

And Reilly did not have a terrible season in 2013, he threw for 4200 yards and a 24-18 TD/INT ratio.  The Esks as a team has a bad year, going 4-14, don't conflate the two.   And if Harris is your idea of a struggling QB, then you better take another look at Masoli.  Harris has outperformed Masoli hands down. 

C'mon man, don't dig the hole any deeper.   I will admit there is a certain chance that Evans could flame out.  But based on his body of work, in the context of how most QBs develop, he is much more likely to be a successful starter than Jennings 2.0.

Evan's sample size is not as big as Jennings was...Jennings in a season and a bit chucked for 7200 some yards with 42 to 25 TD to Int ratio, as well as ran for over 500 yards, Evans has a somehwhat smaller sample size..inferior stats...and we all seen what happened to JeniNngs when the book on him was out, so anointing Evan's as the next sure thing with no fear of regression, or flaming out wouldn't be a wise move by any G.M


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 18, 2019, 05:12:30 PM
I will add Travis Lulay to our list.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 18, 2019, 05:17:31 PM
Well, I didn't go through the whole history of the league, those are 5 very recent guys, all contemporaries of Jennings.  It's not to say a guy can't be a flash in the pan, but Evans sample size was pretty good. 

And Reilly did not have a terrible season in 2013, he threw for 4200 yards and a 24-18 TD/INT ratio.  The Esks as a team has a bad year, going 4-14, don't conflate the two.   And if Harris is your idea of a struggling QB, then you better take another look at Masoli.  Harris has outperformed Masoli hands down. 

C'mon man, don't dig the hole any deeper.   I will admit there is a certain chance that Evans could flame out.  But based on his body of work, in the context of how most QBs develop, he is much more likely to be a successful starter than Jennings 2.0.

I think your point about Reilly or even Masoli proves my point more than yours. A QB, any QB is not the only reason a team wins or loses.  Hamilton had a very good overall roster. They gave up the least amount of points on defense.

Evans played a role in that success but he's getting too much credit too soon. A lot of 1st season starters struggle in their next following season if they in fact remain as the starter. History generally shows that in the development current.

You want more recent examples: James Franklin and our very own C. Streveler. Defenses quickly adjusted to them after their 1st seasons of starting or playing more games.

Doesn't mean Streveler can't become a good passer but it was no surprise he'd have more problems passing in his 2nd season.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on December 18, 2019, 06:40:42 PM
I think your point about Reilly or even Masoli proves my point more than yours. A QB, any QB is not the only reason a team wins or loses.  Hamilton had a very good overall roster. They gave up the least amount of points on defense.

Evans played a role in that success but he's getting too much credit too soon. A lot of 1st season starters struggle in their next following season if they in fact remain as the starter. History generally shows that in the development current.

You want more recent examples: James Franklin and our very own C. Streveler. Defenses quickly adjusted to them after their 1st seasons of starting or playing more games.

Doesn't mean Streveler can't become a good passer but it was no surprise he'd have more problems passing in his 2nd season.



Well, if you are making the case that Evans rode a loaded roster to a great record, I can't disagree. He also had a very good OC.  But he also passes the eyeball test, at least for me.  I don't think he is likely to regress, at least not crash-and-burn like Jennings. 

I don't think Franklin or Streveler are good comparables.  Franklin showed well in spot duty, but he never got a sustained series of starts over a season until this year, when he crapped the bed.  And if you will forgive the blasphemy, Streveler's initial emergency starts were not so much successful as they were just plain exciting to watch.  It was a very small sample size, so I don't think it is fair to say he regressed this year.  I think it is more accurate to say that he finally accumulated enough starts between the two years to really gauge where he is as a QB.  And the answer is "not starter material yet". 

Anyway, perhaps I am overvaluing Evans somewhat, but the Jennings example is not compelling proof that he is going to falter.  And even if it makes a certain logical sense for the Cats to try to bring Masoli back to have the best of both worlds, from a business and leverage standpoint, I think it has problems.  But as always, we will see in the fullness of time....


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on December 18, 2019, 07:54:32 PM
I hope Fajardo, Evans, Arbuckle, Adams, MBT and Streveler all turn into long tenured high caliber CFL QB's. It would be great for the league and entertainment. I am sure not all of them will.

But my 2 cents and that's all its worth is....Evans and Arbuckle are the two most likely to be the next great QB's of the list.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 18, 2019, 07:56:49 PM
I hope Fajardo, Evans, Arbuckle, Adams, MBT and Strevelor all turn into long tenured high caliber CFL QB's. It would be great for the league and entertainment. I am sure not all of them will.

But my 2 cents and that's all its worth is....Evans and Arbuckle are the two most likely to be the next great QB's of the list.

Are you saying just those 2 because our neighbors to the West already claim Fatardo is?...lol


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on December 18, 2019, 08:06:23 PM
I hope Fajardo, Evans, Arbuckle, Adams, MBT and Streveler all turn into long tenured high caliber CFL QB's. It would be great for the league and entertainment. I am sure not all of them will.

But my 2 cents and that's all its worth is....Evans and Arbuckle are the two most likely to be the next great QB's of the list.

They're not the two most likely, they're just the two we've seen the least of.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 18, 2019, 08:44:30 PM
Well, if you are making the case that Evans rode a loaded roster to a great record, I can't disagree. He also had a very good OC.  But he also passes the eyeball test, at least for me.  I don't think he is likely to regress, at least not crash-and-burn like Jennings. 

I don't think Franklin or Streveler are good comparables.  Franklin showed well in spot duty, but he never got a sustained series of starts over a season until this year, when he crapped the bed.  And if you will forgive the blasphemy, Streveler's initial emergency starts were not so much successful as they were just plain exciting to watch.  It was a very small sample size, so I don't think it is fair to say he regressed this year.  I think it is more accurate to say that he finally accumulated enough starts between the two years to really gauge where he is as a QB.  And the answer is "not starter material yet". 

Anyway, perhaps I am overvaluing Evans somewhat, but the Jennings example is not compelling proof that he is going to falter.  And even if it makes a certain logical sense for the Cats to try to bring Masoli back to have the best of both worlds, from a business and leverage standpoint, I think it has problems.  But as always, we will see in the fullness of time....

I like Evans and I don't think he'll crash and burn ala Jennings. OTOH I don't expect he'll be the starter in Hamilton if the Ticats are able to sign Masoli. IMO they will look to do that. Currently Masoli is their # 1 QB IMO.

Evans still has a steep learning curve. Teams will adjust to him now that the there is more film on him. If as I suspect Masoli is re-signed then Evans will have him as a mentor but could see substantially less game time.

That will be no different than Arbuckle if he stays in Calgary. The difference being is that Arbuckle could leave for greener pastures while Evans cannot.

If Evans was offered up in trade for a 1st round pick I'd be interested. Don't see that happening either.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on December 19, 2019, 01:35:44 AM
I hope Fajardo, Evans, Arbuckle, Adams, MBT and Streveler all turn into long tenured high caliber CFL QB's. It would be great for the league and entertainment. I am sure not all of them will.

But my 2 cents and that's all its worth is....Evans and Arbuckle are the two most likely to be the next great QB's of the list.

I think Adams is going to be a terrific CFL QB, particularly if he can stick with Khari.  It took him a little while to get his mind right, but all he does is win.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 19, 2019, 02:28:18 AM
I think Adams is going to be a terrific CFL QB, particularly if he can stick with Khari.  It took him a little while to get his mind right, but all he does is win.

Bombers-Als Grey Cup at Mosaic. Book it!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on December 19, 2019, 02:33:17 AM
Adams has got to mature /grow up/quit being an emotional time bomb. He needs to control his emotions a lot more than he does. His helmet swinging episode with biggie this year was ridiculous and bush league. He?s got to learn he isn?t untouchable and players are allowed to and will hit him, grow up and accept that he carry on like some self absorbed spoiled brat


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 19, 2019, 04:30:33 AM
With all due respect your studies don't mean crap. Every situation has it's own variables and therefore cannot be directly compared. Experience does count for sure, how much it counts is highly variable and unique to each player. Some guys can come in and take the league some storm, some take years of grooming.

We're not talking about new QBs being/becoming immediately good.  We're talking about them reaching and winning GCs.  Completely different things.  My "study" isn't crap, it's just the hard numbers.  Interpret them as you like.

Even the wunderkinds that come and "take the league by storm" don't win GCs.  I just checked, and guess what?  Flutie won his first GC in his 3rd year starting.  BLM won his first GC in his 3rd year starting.  The only QB I could remember in modern times coming close to winning a GC earlier was Ray, who won it in his 2nd year starting.  However, he did have the fortune of getting a GC start (and loss) in his first year due to Maas' injury.  If you can think of any other early-GC-win QBs in history, let me know.  Apart from those 3 prodigies, and maybe a couple I forgot, all the other GC winners have 6,7,8,9,10,11 CFL years under their belt before they win it all!

Here's the thing: I fully agree with you that Evans looked great all season and seems to have solidified himself as a future CFL starter.  Maybe he'll regress, who knows, but that's not the point.  The point is that I'm pretty sure Evans is no Flutie, BLM or Ray, and if those guys (except Ray) needed 3 years starting to win a GC, I'd say Evans will (in all likelihood) need more.

And that's the whole point: HAM is a strong team and they want to capitalize with a GC win while the iron is hot!  Just like WPG needed to do in '18 and '19.  If they are as smart as The Mafia, they will look at the GC loss and say "what roster tweaks would have put us over the top"?  And if they are smart they will immediately see that a big (biggest?) tweak is QB.

The best part is they don't even need to do something like attract an outside QB!  They just need to resign Masoli who is a died-in-the-wool Ti-Cat.  Boom.  Now, concentrate on tweaking that horrid OL.

The other thing is, I don't know about you, but Masoli looked by far like the best QB in the CFL in '19 before he went down to injury.  Masoli + Banks + Addison seriously looked unstoppable.  BLM was having his ugliest season start (and ugliest season end!) ever.  MR also, because his team, stunk.  Going into 2020 Masoli might actually be the best QB in the league, and a proven one with 7 years in the CFL (almost precisely the average for winning the GC...).  And that is why HAM will re-sign him and Masoli starts week 1!

The best part about all of this pontification on everyone's part is that we'll all know who's correct in very short order!  If HAM wants Masoli, I doubt they let him get to FA.  If I'm wrong, well I'm wrong, and whoever gets Masoli should be one powerhouse team in 2020!

People trying to discredit his success because he was a first year starter is pathetic. It should actually be the opposite that people should be wondering, after a very good season, just how high this guy's upside really is. Hamilton would be monumentally stupid to not give him the rock and let him continue his climb by parking him on the bench for 1-2 more years. He has clearly demonstrated he can play at a very high level and the experience he has gained from this year's GC will help him immensely in preparation for the future.

Absolutely no one, especially me, tried to "discredit Evans success"!  He had an amazing year!  I don't think anyone disputes that.  We just question whether HAM has the best chance to win the GC in 2020 with Masoli or Evans.  In my opinion Evans was for sure the "best of the backups" in 2019.  What you're doing is "discrediting" Masoli and how good he is, and what he has done for the HAM organization.  Now, whether Evans rises or regresses remains to be seen.  It's anyone's guess at this point.  The people who mention Jennings are fairly correct in that both Evans and Jennings looked like superstars out of the gate.  I see nothing to indicate that Evans can't be the next Jennings.  I also see nothing to indicate he won't be a future R.Ray, but odds say he's not.  It's all guesswork and opinion at this point!  Everyone can have their opinion.

I hope Fajardo, Evans, Arbuckle, Adams, MBT and Streveler all turn into long tenured high caliber CFL QB's. It would be great for the league and entertainment. I am sure not all of them will.

But my 2 cents and that's all its worth is....Evans and Arbuckle are the two most likely to be the next great QB's of the list.

Fully agree.  Compare 2019's backups with the awful backups the CFL saw between 2013-2017!  The CFL must have hit the talent jackpot for some reason, and what fan wouldn't appreciate that?

I'm hard on Fine Upstanding Cody (and Pirate Arbuckle) but I'd rather watch them play than Cato and Brohm!  But do I think teams should (or will) drop their excellent #1's to roll the dice with the 1-year wonders?  Not if they want to win GCs they shouldn't!!  That's why it's so beautiful to see SSK possibly make their biggest mistake in years...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 19, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
I find all this talk about the young QB's not being ready is a load of crap. Evans and Arbuckle had better stats this year then Bo and Masoli. Fajardo finally got a chance and proved that he could start in the CFL and did a very good job for the Riders. MBT was on a crappy team and put up some pretty good numbers. Adams had a very good year under KJ. This is also happening in the NFL, young QB's stepping up and playing very well.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on December 19, 2019, 03:31:13 PM
I agree...and this bodes well for the CFL if this continues.  Everyone wants to watch offensive football even if defensive wins GC.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 19, 2019, 05:08:31 PM
I agree...and this bodes well for the CFL if this continues.  Everyone wants to watch offensive football even if defensive wins GC.

Except we aren't sure what the long term results will be with this insane 2 QB rule. Most of the new young talent started as # 3 on their teams depth charts. Adams has been in the CFL since 2016. He only really got a starting gig after Pipkin got injured early.

If a team has an established # 1 QB another QB with talent may be invisible until an injury occurs.

A few QB's showed top talent in TC or whatever and moved up the depth chart early. That's not the norm though.

Arbuckle and Evans looked like they could be very good QB's for many seasons. Fajardo to a lesser degree IMO but still better than a long list of CFL failures.

What I've noticed with those 3 in particular is that they have young QB mentalities in that they tend to be higher risk / reward QB's. They throw deep more often than some veterans.

Once defenses figure out their strengths they adjust their strategies.

Take Jennings for example. His mobility allowed him to buy time and throw deep. Once teams learned to contain him in the pocket he had difficulties reading defenses in short and intermediate routes.

That's not an uncommon thing we see and starting a 2nd season becomes more difficult.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 19, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
"Even the wunderkinds that come and "take the league by storm" don't win GCs.  I just checked, and guess what?  Flutie won his first GC in his 3rd year starting.  BLM won his first GC in his 3rd year starting.  The only QB I could remember in modern times coming close to winning a GC earlier was Ray, who won it in his 2nd year starting.  However, he did have the fortune of getting a GC start (and loss) in his first year due to Maas' injury.  If you can think of any other early-GC-win QBs in history, let me know.  Apart from those 3 prodigies, and maybe a couple I forgot, all the other GC winners have 6,7,8,9,10,11 CFL years under their belt before they win it all!"

Probably need to go back to the 1970's. Tom Clements won with Ottawa in 1976 which was only his 2nd year. Chuck Ealey was a rookie QB for the Tiger Cats in 1972 when they won the GC. He never lost a game as a college QB over three seasons, but the NFL never drafted him or gave him a look in those years as a QB. He only wanted to play QB so that is why he signed in the CFL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 19, 2019, 11:08:34 PM
I sure hope the bombers can resign JA27. I was at JA27 fitness for my 3 month evaluation today. :) I don't think he wants to leave Winnipeg as he has built a nice little growing business here. Super dedicated young man. I won't go into his life story but you can check it out on his website, JA27 Fitness. 



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2019, 01:44:30 AM
I sure hope the bombers can resign JA27. I was at JA27 fitness for my 3 month evaluation today. :) I don't think he wants to leave Winnipeg as he has built a nice little growing business here. Super dedicated young man. I won't go into his life story but you can check it out on his website, JA27 Fitness. 

I'd like to see Augustine stick around another year but I don't know if it's in his best interest, chances are this will be the year A.H. begins to decline or at least comes down with an injury that puts him on the IR for a few games.  It would be disappointing if Augustine followed Flanders footsteps and never got the chance to show he can play, also there is a reasonable chance he gets slotted below Oliveira due to his home town status if he stays in Wpg..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2019, 03:00:59 AM
I'd like to see Augustine stick around another year but I don't know if it's in his best interest, chances are this will be the year A.H. begins to decline or at least comes down with an injury that puts him on the IR for a few games.  It would be disappointing if Augustine followed Flanders footsteps and never got the chance to show he can play, also there is a reasonable chance he gets slotted below Oliveira due to his home town status if he stays in Wpg..

Oh really?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Doublezero on December 20, 2019, 04:48:15 AM
I hope Fajardo, Evans, Arbuckle, Adams, MBT and Streveler all turn into long tenured high caliber CFL QB's. It would be great for the league and entertainment. I am sure not all of them will.

But my 2 cents and that's all its worth is....Evans and Arbuckle are the two most likely to be the next great QB's of the list.
Prob not going to happen but I'd love to see a combo of MBT and Streveler here next year. They engineered 46 TDs and over 6000 yds of offense between them in 2019.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 20, 2019, 05:00:27 AM
That would be interesting. MBT 4024 yards, TD/26  Int/13, behind a terrible OL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 20, 2019, 11:47:40 AM
Probably need to go back to the 1970's. Tom Clements won with Ottawa in 1976 which was only his 2nd year. Chuck Ealey was a rookie QB for the Tiger Cats in 1972 when they won the GC. He never lost a game as a college QB over three seasons, but the NFL never drafted him or gave him a look in those years as a QB. He only wanted to play QB so that is why he signed in the CFL.

Thanks!  That's the info I was looking for.  So we now have 3 QBs who have won the GC in year 1 or year 2 since 1970.  And 2 more in year 3.  That's 50 years, 50 GC games.  That's why I think legit GC-sniffing teams (like HAM) will go with the vet over the 1-2 year guy (barring injury of course).  3 in 50 presents very bad odds, and your QB needs to be a Clements, Easley or Ray calibre QB to do it!  Yikes!

I'd like to see Augustine stick around another year but I don't know if it's in his best interest, chances are this will be the year A.H. begins to decline or at least comes down with an injury that puts him on the IR for a few games.  It would be disappointing if Augustine followed Flanders footsteps and never got the chance to show he can play, also there is a reasonable chance he gets slotted below Oliveira due to his home town status if he stays in Wpg..

Ok Wally Buono.  AH declining in 2020.  Ha!  Have we not learned never to bet against Harris?

As for Augustine, he won't be a Flanders because he's NAT.  Even if AH got hurt, Flanders wasn't seeing the field because of ratio.  It would have taken an entire O rethink to play Flanders.  And we can carry both JA and Oliveira as long as as both are ELC/cheap.  Aren't they both?  2021 will be the problem... but if neither has really proven themselves in game reps, they may not command a big offer from any other team.

If we get to the point where we have to choose, we have to make sure Oliveira gets game reps so we can make an informed choice between the two!  Oliveira obviously has the hometown advantage, but not if he sucks compared to JA.  JA has shown very very well in his limited reps.

Prob not going to happen but I'd love to see a combo of MBT and Streveler here next year. They engineered 46 TDs and over 6000 yds of offense between them in 2019.

I've always said I liked MBT.  He's a nutso gun slinger who seems to have a lot of drive and heart.  I didn't think he'd fit with the MOS / Lapo style though.  But with a new OC, who knows, maybe he could fit in!  I think what MBT did behind the garbage TOR OL speaks way more than what Arbuckle did behind the impenetrable CGY OL.  However, the chance we don't take one (or both) of Nichols / Collaros is virtually zero IMHO.  If for some reason we don't have a #2, you could do worse than MBT, and he wouldn't cost much if he's not picked up by any other team.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2019, 01:05:42 PM
I am also secretly a huge fan of MBT. Toronto was hot garbage but man that guy can play QB. I was a little perplexed when the rumours about Pinball wanting to sign Collaros emerged. I figured they already had their guy and needed to clean up elsewhere.

Although, having Collaros as QB1 and MBT fully capable of stepping in if the unspeakable happens is also a very good QB approach.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on December 20, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
Johnny really came on this year on his special teams work, so he has value on the roster and though in limited use, has shown he is more than capable of carrying the rock if need be...has a 6.5 yards per carry avg over 45 carries so he's no bum...I think we can find room for him on roster


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on December 20, 2019, 02:07:13 PM
I am also secretly a huge fan of MBT. Toronto was hot garbage but man that guy can play QB. I was a little perplexed when the rumours about Pinball wanting to sign Collaros emerged. I figured they already had their guy and needed to clean up elsewhere.

Although, having Collaros as QB1 and MBT fully capable of stepping in if the unspeakable happens is also a very good QB approach.
I always thought MBT was the best Ab the Argos had, the thing I couldn?t figure out, is why did they start franklin a bunch of times this year?? The guy was awful and guaranteed a loss yet they kept starting him ??


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on December 20, 2019, 02:47:01 PM
I'd like to see Augustine stick around another year but I don't know if it's in his best interest, chances are this will be the year A.H. begins to decline or at least comes down with an injury that puts him on the IR for a few games.  It would be disappointing if Augustine followed Flanders footsteps and never got the chance to show he can play, also there is a reasonable chance he gets slotted below Oliveira due to his home town status if he stays in Wpg..

Winnipeg is the team that runs the most so I think this is where his best chance to get game reps will be. There will be games where we may want or need to rest AH. Either due to injury or game situation which allow back ups to play.

Being a National would allow that to happen. I'd sign him in a heartbeat. He showed very good skills and I can't see him as an expensive SMS addition.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bomb squad on December 20, 2019, 03:54:02 PM
"Even the wunderkinds that come and "take the league by storm" don't win GCs.  I just checked, and guess what?  Flutie won his first GC in his 3rd year starting.  BLM won his first GC in his 3rd year starting.  The only QB I could remember in modern times coming close to winning a GC earlier was Ray, who won it in his 2nd year starting.  However, he did have the fortune of getting a GC start (and loss) in his first year due to Maas' injury.  If you can think of any other early-GC-win QBs in history, let me know.  Apart from those 3 prodigies, and maybe a couple I forgot, all the other GC winners have 6,7,8,9,10,11 CFL years under their belt before they win it all!"

Probably need to go back to the 1970's. Tom Clements won with Ottawa in 1976 which was only his 2nd year. Chuck Ealey was a rookie QB for the Tiger Cats in 1972 when they won the GC. He never lost a game as a college QB over three seasons, but the NFL never drafted him or gave him a look in those years as a QB. He only wanted to play QB so that is why he signed in the CFL.

Sean Salisbury. 1988. Year 1.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2019, 04:15:49 PM
The only reason I would have for not wanting Augustine back is that I don't want to hold him back from getting a better role. I think I can safely say that if Johnny left the Bombers for a chance to start somewhere else he would get nothing but love and good wishes. However, if that's not feasible AND we can retain both JA27 and Oliveira, that would be fantastic.

It wouldn't happen, but maybe we could take it easier on Andrew next year and preserve his body for the potentially 24 week-long schedule by throwing in Brady and/or Johnny more often. Not that Andrew seems to be susceptible to wear and tear since he is mostly machine.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on December 20, 2019, 05:21:00 PM
I would be on board for giving AH33 a little load management thought out the course of a game. We don't have to run him into the ground.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2019, 05:32:28 PM
Thanks!  That's the info I was looking for.  So we now have 3 QBs who have won the GC in year 1 or year 2 since 1970.  And 2 more in year 3.  That's 50 years, 50 GC games.  That's why I think legit GC-sniffing teams (like HAM) will go with the vet over the 1-2 year guy (barring injury of course).  3 in 50 presents very bad odds, and your QB needs to be a Clements, Easley or Ray calibre QB to do it!  Yikes!

Ok Wally Buono.  AH declining in 2020.  Ha!  Have we not learned never to bet against Harris?

As for Augustine, he won't be a Flanders because he's NAT.  Even if AH got hurt, Flanders wasn't seeing the field because of ratio.  It would have taken an entire O rethink to play Flanders.  And we can carry both JA and Oliveira as long as as both are ELC/cheap.  Aren't they both?  2021 will be the problem... but if neither has really proven themselves in game reps, they may not command a big offer from any other team.

If we get to the point where we have to choose, we have to make sure Oliveira gets game reps so we can make an informed choice between the two!  Oliveira obviously has the hometown advantage, but not if he sucks compared to JA.  JA has shown very very well in his limited reps.

Of course nobody ever wants to bet against A.H. but he'll be 33 in April, so eventually his decline must begin.....I would think!  If he was a heavier back that didn't rely on quickness as much I could see him playing till he's 40 but that's not the case, he's not that big and he takes a lot of punishment.  Maybe after a couple more G.C. belts he'll decide that's enough and he'll bow out on top.

As for Augustine I could see LaPo coveting him, he may be the first Bomber defection to the R.B.'s even though they're currently siting pretty deep with Import running backs.  I don't care where he goes, just want to see him get a chance to play and prove his worth, he deserves that.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2019, 06:15:24 PM
Of course nobody ever wants to bet against A.H. but he'll be 33 in April, so eventually his decline must begin.....I would think!  If he was a heavier back that didn't rely on quickness as much I could see him playing till he's 40 but that's not the case, he's not that big and he takes a lot of punishment.  Maybe after a couple more G.C. belts he'll decide that's enough and he'll bow out on top.


The problem with this logic is, it?s the same logic Wally used 4 years ago when he dumped Harris.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 20, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
If I was Augustine I wouldn't re-sign here. He has always looked good with his very limited opportunities but they have been very limited. Despite that, we'd run Harris at all costs and even used a high draft pick to select Olivera who appeared to be favoured before his injury. Augustine will be 27 by the start of next season and doesn't have the luxury to wait for a chance. He needs a chance and deserves one. There's got to be a team with a more open backfield that ours.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2019, 06:39:55 PM
The problem with this logic is, it?s the same logic Wally used 4 years ago when he dumped Harris.

I don't know if that's the whole story, Harris definitely wanted to come home and Walters probably offered him more than Wally was willing to pay for a RB, Natl. or not.  Nobody ever talks about A.H.'s salary but he has to be the only RB in the league earning in the vicinity of $200,000/season.  Whatever he's earning it has been money well spent.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue girl on December 20, 2019, 08:18:13 PM
Every year we hear how this is the year that Andrew Harris is going to start declining and every year he doesn't. As long as he keeps in shape he should be okay.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2019, 08:22:35 PM
I don't know if that's the whole story, Harris definitely wanted to come home and Walters probably offered him more than Wally was willing to pay for a RB, Natl. or not.  Nobody ever talks about A.H.'s salary but he has to be the only RB in the league earning in the vicinity of $200,000/season.  Whatever he's earning it has been money well spent.

Yeah I dunno what happened between him and Wally. What we do seem to know is Wally didn't think it was worth it to keep him on their roster, while we did. After 3 consecutive rushing titles culminating in a Grey Cup ring this year, Wally paid 750k-ish bones to a QB to not make the playoffs and suck a bunch of rocks.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2019, 08:58:58 PM
Yeah I dunno what happened between him and Wally. What we do seem to know is Wally didn't think it was worth it to keep him on their roster, while we did. After 3 consecutive rushing titles culminating in a Grey Cup ring this year, Wally paid 750k-ish bones to a QB to not make the playoffs and suck a bunch of rocks.

Wally was gone, gone, gone, that is all on Hervey.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on December 21, 2019, 03:24:11 AM
Wally was gone, gone, gone, that is all on Hervey.

Isn?t Wally still involved in the BC Lions org still?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 21, 2019, 04:33:06 AM
I always thought MBT was the best Ab the Argos had, the thing I couldn?t figure out, is why did they start franklin a bunch of times this year?? The guy was awful and guaranteed a loss yet they kept starting him ??

I think because Franklin was so highly valued that they had to give him a fair number of starts to see if he could prove his worth.  It makes sense before you ditch your most highly-touted "up and comer" QB.  If Franklin has a contract still, they should be shopping him to other teams pronto, because it's going to be a buyer's market this year.

But, yes, after Franklin's first start, everyone and their dog knew TOR had zero chance of winning when they named Franklin as starter any given week.  It was so hilarious in fantasy: if MBT was playing, TOR would have yards worthy of fantasy picks (and cheap!), if it was Franklin, avoid the whole team like the plague.

Sean Salisbury. 1988. Year 1.

Thanks!  Add one more.  You guys are a fountain of knowledge.  So that's 4, 2 in year 1, 2 in year 2.

I don't know if that's the whole story, Harris definitely wanted to come home and Walters probably offered him more than Wally was willing to pay for a RB, Natl. or not.

Maybe.  But Wally did explicitly say in some media that he thought AH was past his sell-by date (paraphrasing).  We'll never know what the main vs secondary driver of the decision was, if you go by his word, he gave up on Andrew way too early.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Point of attack on December 21, 2019, 05:07:08 AM
It was a little prickly between Wally and AH after rumours got out about some discontent regarding his role in the O and specifically the pass heavy balance in their scheme.
Wally had zero tolerance for that kind of ?input? from players and didn?t hesitate to move on from AH.
What?s interesting is he signed Charles Roberts when he was clearly past his best before date and he was totally ineffective as a Lion.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on December 21, 2019, 04:54:14 PM
Isn?t Wally still involved in the BC Lions org still?

I think he's helping the Als pick a new GM actually.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 23, 2019, 12:40:04 AM
BC didn't know how to run the ball. They were  just like they are now. Pass on every down and run only once in a while on first down.  The qb could have also been a reason, Lulay liked to take off when no one was open like Reilly and try to do it himself.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on December 23, 2019, 05:06:56 AM
It was a little prickly between Wally and AH after rumours got out about some discontent regarding his role in the O and specifically the pass heavy balance in their scheme.
Wally had zero tolerance for that kind of ?input? from players and didn?t hesitate to move on from AH.
What?s interesting is he signed Charles Roberts when he was clearly past his best before date and he was totally ineffective as a Lion.
They traded us the then league leading rusher joe smith for Charlie and both were busts for both teams  after the trade


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Point of attack on December 25, 2019, 09:11:21 PM
They traded us the then league leading rusher joe smith for Charlie and both were busts for both teams  after the trade

Right. I?d forgotten the trade .
Clearly remember the dejected look on Charlie?s face sitting on the bench.
He knew it was over and it was hard to watch the sudden drop off of such a great player.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: DM83 on January 02, 2020, 04:35:23 PM
If only he would have stopped smoking and actually trained....sigh.  But what a great God given ability.
I like Andrew Harris better.  He's not erratic and can catch.

Is there the CFL teams free agent list one of you usually presents.?  ( with names)
Thanks. And or how about the CFL draft list?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 02, 2020, 05:54:28 PM
If only he would have stopped smoking and actually trained....sigh.  But what a great God given ability.
I like Andrew Harris better.  He's not erratic and can catch.

Is there the CFL teams free agent list one of you usually presents.?  ( with names)
Thanks. And or how about the CFL draft list?

You can just google cfl.ca free agent list for the potential free agent list.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 02, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
You can just google cfl.ca free agent list for the potential free agent list.

Link to this "google" site you speak of, pls?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 02, 2020, 06:50:43 PM
Link to this "google" site you speak of, pls?

I couldn't " copy " the link successfully. I didn't want to copy the 300 player listing and create a long messy post.

The page on google is "Official 2019 free agent tracker cfl.ca"

I have the link in an e-mail I could forward if you send me a PM then I could forward it that way. Couldn't copy from that either.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 02, 2020, 06:54:33 PM
I couldn't " copy " the link successfully. I didn't want to copy the 300 player listing and create a long messy post.

The page on google is "Official 2019 free agent tracker cfl.ca"

I have the link in an e-mail I could forward if you send me a PM then I could forward it that way. Couldn't copy from that either.

Hmm. Looks like you will need to copy the 300 player listing one by one for us in a long, messy post, then. Sorry, I don't make the rules.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on January 02, 2020, 07:10:09 PM
https://www.cfl.ca/fa20/

Wasn't that hard at all.....


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 02, 2020, 07:44:15 PM
https://www.cfl.ca/fa20/

Wasn't that hard at all.....

Thanks.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 02, 2020, 08:18:50 PM
https://www.cfl.ca/fa20/

Wasn't that hard at all.....

See, BinBC?

 :-*


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue girl on January 02, 2020, 08:38:42 PM
I don't know if this will help but I went to cfl.ca and clicked on Free Agents. I bookmarked it and can now go directly to it on my laptop.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 02, 2020, 09:13:37 PM
See, BinBC?

 :-*

You're making fun of me why you couldn't even find the information? lol


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 02, 2020, 10:26:42 PM
You're making fun of me why you couldn't even find the information? lol

I wasn?t looking for the information. I was bugging you. I wasn't actually going to insist you find and post every single one of the 300 names. Kinda ridiculous, no? Lol


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 03, 2020, 04:37:16 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 03, 2020, 06:47:49 AM
Is it just me or are there a lot of CFL players signing NFL contracts this year as opposed to other years?   


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 03, 2020, 07:10:28 AM
Is it just me or are there a lot of CFL players signing NFL contracts this year as opposed to other years?   

I don't feel so bad about (potentially) losing Kongbo/Rose/Sayles/Strev/Willie now that there's talent-drain occurring on other teams as well.  Begelton and Addison (potentially) gone will help our plight vs probably our toughest 2020 rivals.

And I see Stanback is released for NFL now too.

I really like that our O is filled with under-the-radar receivers and top NAT talent... the type of guys who don't get NFL looks.  Maybe we can build a core corps (hehe) with less-than-normal churn as we start our dynasty  ;D

However, I'd still take Derel Walker or Zylstra if they come a'calling.  Even if it is only for 1 year.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: gobombersgo on January 03, 2020, 07:21:26 AM
Is it just me or are there a lot of CFL players signing NFL contracts this year as opposed to other years?   

Looks like 13 players from the 2019 free agent class signed NFL contracts last year. (none from the Bombers)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: DM83 on January 03, 2020, 07:33:42 AM
I saw Zylstra play on the weekend for,the Panthers, I believe.  He dropped,a simple,curl.
I,would guess he is available this season for a,return to the CFL?

Thanks for the links for my question


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 03, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 03, 2020, 05:58:58 PM
Looks like 13 players from the 2019 free agent class signed NFL contracts last year. (none from the Bombers)
Well...I kind of expected there would be players trying their luck down south after winning the Cup....that's the price of success.   Hopefully our QB situation gets sorted out in our favour.....as for the D, well we have some holes to fill....biggest of all will be Jefferson but I'm happy for him and the fact that he was a major player for us and instrumental in winning our Cup!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 03, 2020, 06:24:57 PM
Willie didn?t sign yet did he.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 03, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
Willie didn?t sign yet did he.

No he didn't.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 03, 2020, 06:49:21 PM
No he didn't.
i meant in the NFL. It is a no. Got it. Thanks.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: gobombersgo on January 03, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Willie didn?t sign yet did he.
He's only tried out for one team so far.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 04, 2020, 05:42:21 AM
Is it just me or are there a lot of CFL players signing NFL contracts this year as opposed to other years?   

I guess it's inevitable but it doesn't  help the perception of the CFL as "second rate" in the minds of many Canadians to allow the NFL to skim off the cream or the crop without contributing anything to the long-term security or stability of the league.  Can't decide if "losers" or "patsies" is a more apt descriptor for the leadership of the league considering the the direction they've taken it. To quote Winston, "we will never surrender", unfortunately for the most part we already have.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 04, 2020, 07:21:32 AM
I saw Zylstra play on the weekend for,the Panthers, I believe.  He dropped,a simple,curl.
I,would guess he is available this season for a,return to the CFL?

Drool drool drool (dream dream dream)...

I guess it's inevitable but it doesn't  help the perception of the CFL as "second rate" in the minds of many Canadians to allow the NFL to skim off the cream or the crop without contributing anything to the long-term security or stability of the league.

Ah, it's just the way it is.  The only thing that miffs me a bit is when they steal NATs (i.e. Kongbo).  NATs are a precious natural resource and NFL or near-NFL calibre players don't grow on trees.  Not to minimize IMP value, but good American players are a "dime a dozen".

I guess it's also slightly annoying when they pass over IMPs and we "discover" and develop them and a few years later the NFL steals them away.

C'est la vie.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 04, 2020, 02:02:18 PM
I guess it's inevitable but it doesn't  help the perception of the CFL as "second rate" in the minds of many Canadians to allow the NFL to skim off the cream or the crop without contributing anything to the long-term security or stability of the league.  Can't decide if "losers" or "patsies" is a more apt descriptor for the leadership of the league considering the the direction they've taken it. To quote Winston, "we will never surrender", unfortunately for the most part we already have.

Catch 22.

If we aren't lenient to players who get NFL opportunities, many will just not come to the CFL at all and we will not get to see that "cream" play.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 04, 2020, 04:12:15 PM
Catch 22.

If we aren't lenient to players who get NFL opportunities, many will just not come to the CFL at all and we will not get to see that "cream" play.
agreed it sucks for the league either way. I guess it is better to have come here at least for 2-3 years.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 04, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
I found the recent Paul Friesen article on Willie kinda funny. He is deciding to only work out for the Dolphins because he expects to be signed. A younger version of Willie could not making numerous teams already over the last 4 years. He says he is a more well rounded player now? Seriously? He is banking on the more well rounded player tag to make the NFL. Hmmm NFL teams really think that about this guy at this point in his career? It will be interesting to say the least.

I really really don?t wanna see him go but if found the article kinda funny and almost pointless.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 04, 2020, 05:12:01 PM
Catch 22.

If we aren't lenient to players who get NFL opportunities, many will just not come to the CFL at all and we will not get to see that "cream" play.

That may or not be true. The " cream " may have already failed earlier NFL tryouts or were undrafted.

Whether they were given early outs with the CFL CBA's or not they needed the CFL to show their talents.

There are 100's+ that don't get NFL offers and try the CFL to prolong their careers and / or eventually get NFL offers.

Other players come to the CFL and become stars and stay in the CFL for their entire careers.

It's unfortunate that we lose talent to the NFL each year but can't blame those players for wanting the big payday in their own country.

Realistically we don't see many of those that leave have extended NFL careers. Of course 1 year on an NFL roster is worth many in the CFL.

Hard to say how many that are leaving this off season won't be back by 2021 or sooner.

I wish them well and maybe they beat the odds. Sometimes it only takes one injury to make them starters.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blueraid on January 04, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
Losing talent like we have is a set back....There's no guarantee we can replace any of them with the caliber of player that has left...I get that players want to make the most of their career's financially ...doesn't help the paying fans in this country and continuity is out the window,,,Some say there's a chance that the player will return (maybe) but will they return with the same zeal that they had trying to make the big time down south and failed...The whole situation is turning into a nightmare for the CFL...More and more empty seats every year as fans see us as nothing more than a 'showcase' for players trying to make it in another league..Our identity is being damaged and unless it's curtailed or the nfl has to offer us some compensation, the CFL is going to find itself in dire straights ..This talent drain can't continue


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 04, 2020, 06:18:23 PM
Losing talent like we have is a set back....There's no guarantee we can replace any of them with the caliber of player that has left...I get that players want to make the most of their career's financially ...doesn't help the paying fans in this country and continuity is out the window,,,Some say there's a chance that the player will return (maybe) but will they return with the same zeal that they had trying to make the big time down south and failed...The whole situation is turning into a nightmare for the CFL...More and more empty seats every year as fans see us as nothing more than a 'showcase' for players trying to make it in another league..Our identity is being damaged and unless it's curtailed or the nfl has to offer us some compensation, the CFL is going to find itself in dire straights ..This talent drain can't continue
Well it?s been like this for a while. How do think Calgary feels the last number of years?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blueraid on January 04, 2020, 06:27:16 PM
Well it?s been like this for a while. How do think Calgary feels the last number of years?


A lot of teams have lost some good one's...Cal. for sure ...and I've also noticed the stadium in Calgary is looking more and more empty every year, and that's with having success and winning a few Cups in recent years...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 04, 2020, 06:56:47 PM

A lot of teams have lost some good one's...Cal. for sure ...and I've also noticed the stadium in Calgary is looking more and more empty every year, and that's with having success and winning a few Cups in recent years...
If your a sports fan this is happening in EVERY pro league in North America. It is NOT unique to the CFL. To your point though the CFLs seemingly no win circumstance does not help either. The fans that come that are the Normies a have no idea the league is even like this. So this is really not the reason attendance is down slightly.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 05, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
If your a sports fan this is happening in EVERY pro league in North America. It is NOT unique to the CFL. To your point though the CFLs seemingly no win circumstance does not help either. The fans that come that are the Normies a have no idea the league is even like this. So this is really not the reason attendance is down slightly.

You are correct, but to add to your point, I think a point of complacency has set in in Calgary. It is no longer a big deal to win the regular season, get to the Grey Cup, and win the Grey Cup. Now as Calgary potentially starts to trend down, fans will care even less. I predict lots of empty seats at McMahon in the near future, as much as I don't want that.

Throw in the fact that the stadium is the dump of the league and they will not host another GC until a new one is built, in a time of economic recession in the city and you have a recipe for bad times.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: BBRT on January 05, 2020, 04:42:46 PM
You are correct, but to add to your point, I think a point of complacency has set in in Calgary. It is no longer a big deal to win the regular season, get to the Grey Cup, and win the Grey Cup. Now as Calgary potentially starts to trend down, fans will care even less. I predict lots of empty seats at McMahon in the near future, as much as I don't want that.

Throw in the fact that the stadium is the dump of the league and they will not host another GC until a new one is built, in a time of economic recession in the city and you have a recipe for bad times.

This is pretty much how I see it also. I live in Calgary and normally renew our corporate season tickets during the first quarter of the year. I have 4 in the super red zones and have noticed that the folks that use to sit near me (when I did attend a few games) are no longer there. As a matter of fact the Super Red section seems to be less and less sought after these days. I do believe the economy has a lot to do with that as a number of seats are actually corporate seats (as are mine - I give them away to our clients during the year).

At the moment I am undecided whether to renew for 2020 or look for other venues for marketing. And I agree the Stadium could use an overhaul or replacement but doubt that is in the foreseeable future.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blueraid on January 06, 2020, 05:04:29 PM
I wonder if we have thought about pursuing Tre Roberson in fa after losing a couple of good DB's ..I think Huffer blew it with this guy by not granting Roberson his release right away when he asked for it....Could be some hard feelings there and he sure would look good in BluenGold..Of course he would have to be unsigned down south firstly... but there would be nothing else in the way of making him an offer


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
I wonder if we have thought about pursuing Tre Roberson in fa after losing a couple of good DB's ..I think Huffer blew it with this guy by not granting Roberson his release right away when he asked for it....Could be some hard feelings there and he sure would look good in BluenGold..Of course he would have to be unsigned down south firstly... but there would be nothing else in the way of making him an offer

I'm not sure what happens when a team releases a player early for an NFL opportunity. From a PR point of view that wouldn't be good for another team to now sign Roberson. If they do so after actual CFL free agency happens then no harm / foul.

Chances are he returns to Calgary but many teams would have interest. There is always the loyally aspect of giving a player that early chance. Same as we did with Rose and Sayles. Even Kongbo who wasn't even set to reach free agency.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 06, 2020, 07:14:20 PM
I'm not sure what happens when a team releases a player early for an NFL opportunity. From a PR point of view that wouldn't be good for another team to now sign Roberson. If they do so after actual CFL free agency happens then no harm / foul.

Chances are he returns to Calgary but many teams would have interest. There is always the loyally aspect of giving a player that early chance. Same as we did with Rose and Sayles. Even Kongbo who wasn't even set to reach free agency.

Yes but Huff did delay his release and even denied it until Roberson went public with his request for release.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2020, 07:47:31 PM
Yes but Huff did delay his release and even denied it until Roberson went public with his request for release.

Fair enough but there have been about 13 players released early. I don't recall that ever happening where one player then signed with another CFL team prior to reaching free agency.

There is never a guarantee that a given player returns to his previous team.

Did Huff piss off Roberson? Perhaps. Will he get an NFL deal? Perhaps and he may not return for a season or 2. Time will tell how this works out for him and all these NFL bound players.

Historically not many survive cut down dates each year and are back after LD. Can't blame them for trying. Money and playing in home country has large influence.

That said the pool of new talent in the draft, off season trades makes it a difficult road.




Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 06, 2020, 08:30:21 PM
 I checked the CFL FA tracker and it doesn't show Roberson as a pending FA. So was this just Roberson wanting out of his contract, or out of Calgary. I agree did Huff piss him off?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 06, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
I checked the CFL FA tracker and it doesn't show Roberson as a pending FA. So was this just Roberson wanting out of his contract, or out of Calgary. I agree did Huff piss him off?

Players were supposed to be allowed an NFL window, then were told once the season ended that it wasn't happening.

Roberson was pissed at the league, not at Calgary, who did eventually release him.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blueraid on January 06, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
The story was that Huff refused to release Roberson when the story broke...The league had no problem with others heading south for tryouts at that point so I fail to see why it was a league problem...Also explain the league reasoning for letting him leave at this juncture...Something isn't adding up


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 06, 2020, 09:43:55 PM

A lot of teams have lost some good one's...Cal. for sure ...and I've also noticed the stadium in Calgary is looking more and more empty every year, and that's with having success and winning a few Cups in recent years...

More due to the economy in Calgary than any lack of interest in the Stamps. Boom economy years are over here and getting worse to be honest. No Thanks to Pierre Junior who is not helping much! ;)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 06, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
More due to the economy in Calgary than any lack of interest in the Stamps. Boom economy years are over here and getting worse to be honest. No Thanks to Pierre Junior who is not helping much! ;)

Do us all a favour and leave politics out of it. There's no place for that crap here.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 06, 2020, 11:56:34 PM
The story was that Huff refused to release Roberson when the story broke...The league had no problem with others heading south for tryouts at that point so I fail to see why it was a league problem...Also explain the league reasoning for letting him leave at this juncture...Something isn't adding up

The league has nothing to do with him being released. That was Calgary's decision when the league couldn't follow through on making the NFL window happen.

Calgary did not want to release Roberson and held of as long as they could - so maybe Roberson got a little annoyed at them - but the league promised something that it didn't deliver on.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 07, 2020, 12:11:01 AM
The league has nothing to do with him being released. That was Calgary's decision when the league couldn't follow through on making the NFL window happen.

Calgary did not want to release Roberson and held of as long as they could - so maybe Roberson got a little annoyed at them - but the league promised something that it didn't deliver on.

Not actually the CFL's fault, more a case of the NFL not cooperating.

"CFL players were supposedly granted the right to work out and sign for NFL teams as part of the new CBA signed back in May, through the re-introduction of something known as the NFL window. However, the NFL hasn?t signed off on conditions that come with that provision, which means players like Roberson are stuck in limbo."

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl-payers-stuck-in-limbo-with-nfl-window-issues-unresolved-1.1408559


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 07, 2020, 01:18:33 AM
Not actually the CFL's fault, more a case of the NFL not cooperating.

"CFL players were supposedly granted the right to work out and sign for NFL teams as part of the new CBA signed back in May, through the re-introduction of something known as the NFL window. However, the NFL hasn?t signed off on conditions that come with that provision, which means players like Roberson are stuck in limbo."

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl-payers-stuck-in-limbo-with-nfl-window-issues-unresolved-1.1408559

I understand that, but telling players that it will be in place before it is in place is the problem.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 07, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 07, 2020, 05:41:12 PM
Re-signing potential free agents around the CFL seems a bit slow at the moment. Lots of future contracts being signed though.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 07, 2020, 05:50:00 PM
I'm not sure what happens when a team releases a player early for an NFL opportunity. From a PR point of view that wouldn't be good for another team to now sign Roberson. If they do so after actual CFL free agency happens then no harm / foul.

Chances are he returns to Calgary but many teams would have interest. There is always the loyally aspect of giving a player that early chance. Same as we did with Rose and Sayles. Even Kongbo who wasn't even set to reach free agency.

Teams do not release players signed beyond February early unless they know for certain that those players have received an NFL contract offer or there is a desk drawer contract for his return if the NFL doesn't work out.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 07, 2020, 05:56:16 PM
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VANCOUVER - The BC Lions have released defensive back Chris Edwards in order for him to pursue NFL opportunities.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 07, 2020, 06:00:43 PM
Teams do not release players signed beyond February early unless they know for certain that those players have received an NFL contract offer or there is a desk drawer contract for his return if the NFL doesn't work out.

That's not what I was suggesting or asking. Kongbo for example only completed his 1st year and was released to pursue NFL opportunities. I haven't heard that he has signed anywhere yet.

The point was that I don't recall a given player then coming back in January and signing with another CFL team.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 07, 2020, 08:56:29 PM
Well Begelton is going to hurt. Very good receiver.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 08, 2020, 03:31:02 AM
That's not what I was suggesting or asking. Kongbo for example only completed his 1st year and was released to pursue NFL opportunities. I haven't heard that he has signed anywhere yet.

The point was that I don't recall a given player then coming back in January and signing with another CFL team.

Kongbo signed a futures contract with the 49ers last week: https://www.tsn.ca/former-winnipeg-blue-bombers-de-jonathan-kongbo-signs-with-san-francisco-49ers-1.1421776 (https://www.tsn.ca/former-winnipeg-blue-bombers-de-jonathan-kongbo-signs-with-san-francisco-49ers-1.1421776)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 08, 2020, 08:39:00 AM
At the moment I am undecided whether to renew for 2020 or look for other venues for marketing. And I agree the Stadium could use an overhaul or replacement but doubt that is in the foreseeable future.

After going to McMahon twice in 2 years, I can see the attractiveness of the current location.  It really is a great little nook there on that hill right next to the highways and train stop, with a ton of hotels across the street, tons more a few minutes drive/train downtown.

Has the city/club even ever discussed what future plans might look like?  You'd have to think it would be attractive to keep that location... however, how do you build a brand new stadium then?  It would require a temporary venue for 2 or 3 years.  Maybe knocking out a ton of walls and extending the concession areas to be double their current area and adding a ton of bathrooms would be enough to tide them over another decade on the cheap...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 08, 2020, 08:40:21 AM
I'm not sure what happens when a team releases a player early for an NFL opportunity. From a PR point of view that wouldn't be good for another team to now sign Roberson. If they do so after actual CFL free agency happens then no harm / foul.

Everything I can recall seeing of Roberson shows that he's a stand-up player with a ton of talent.  That has MOS-locker-room written all over it.  Come on down to WPG Roberson!  Get some of that smoke!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 08, 2020, 12:12:31 PM
That's not what I was suggesting or asking. Kongbo for example only completed his 1st year and was released to pursue NFL opportunities. I haven't heard that he has signed anywhere yet.

The point was that I don't recall a given player then coming back in January and signing with another CFL team.

Kongbo signed a futures deal with the Niners.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 08, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
After going to McMahon twice in 2 years, I can see the attractiveness of the current location.  It really is a great little nook there on that hill right next to the highways and train stop, with a ton of hotels across the street, tons more a few minutes drive/train downtown.

Has the city/club even ever discussed what future plans might look like?  You'd have to think it would be attractive to keep that location... however, how do you build a brand new stadium then?  It would require a temporary venue for 2 or 3 years.  Maybe knocking out a ton of walls and extending the concession areas to be double their current area and adding a ton of bathrooms would be enough to tide them over another decade on the cheap...


McMahon is built on the grounds of the U of Calgary who also own the stadium, so replacing the stadium in that location would probably be as convoluted a deal as building IGF on U of M land was.  The Stamps are owned by the Flames who have recently reached agreement with various levels of govt. to replace the Saddledome near it's current location, at one time a new football stadium was part of that discussion but it seems to have dropped off the table fairly quickly in order to secure a new arena deal.  If they ever decide to tear down the Saddledome that would make an excellent location to build a new football stadium but that's probably not in the cards anytime soon.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 08, 2020, 06:43:05 PM
Riders re-sign Nick Marshall to a new 1 year deal. Also they released Moncreif in order to explore NFL opportunities.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 08, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Marshall is a good player. But he is a hot head that gets his team in trouble with bad penalties.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 08, 2020, 08:26:48 PM
Marshall is a good player. But he is a hot head that gets his team in trouble with bad penalties.

He fits in quite nicely with that group


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 09, 2020, 10:17:25 PM
Riders lose Moncrief. Signs with the Raiders.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on January 09, 2020, 11:58:32 PM
Riders lose Moncrief. Signs with the Raiders.

Wow..really?? Biggie couldn' make it, Muamba couldn't make it, but this guy does?? Twisted world out there.....


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 10, 2020, 12:07:38 AM
Wow..really?? Biggie couldn' make it, Muamba couldn't make it, but this guy does?? Twisted world out there.....


If things go like past years half or more of the former CFL player signings in the NFL don't even make it to camp or make it out of training camp or get cut into the NFL season. One thing to get signed, another to make the team longer term. That's why often these guys (especially more experienced players) want a nice up-front signing bonus to make it worth their while in case they do get cut early on. A younger player may get another shot the next season or two, but vets only get a kick at the NFL can for so long.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 10, 2020, 12:22:22 AM
Wow..really?? Biggie couldn' make it, Muamba couldn't make it, but this guy does?? Twisted world out there.....

Bighill hung with the Saints for 17 months bouncing between the AR and the PR numerous times, eventually he got tired of insecurity and asked for his release.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on January 10, 2020, 12:28:49 AM
Wow..really?? Biggie couldn' make it, Muamba couldn't make it, but this guy does?? Twisted world out there.....

Not good comparisons.  Moncrief is 6'2" and 220 and faster than Bighill or Muamba.  He played strong safety in college.  He can play more possible roles in an NFL defence, and he's only 26.

Not saying he will stick, but you can see why the Raiders are interested.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 10, 2020, 01:30:37 AM
Not good comparisons.  Moncrief is 6'2" and 220 and faster than Bighill or Muamba.  He played strong safety in college.  He can play more possible roles in an NFL defence, and he's only 26.

Not saying he will stick, but you can see why the Raiders are interested.
pause while I laugh. STer at best or won?t make team.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on January 10, 2020, 02:44:49 AM
pause while I laugh. STer at best or won?t make team.
I think its funny because you obviously don't realize what a CFL SAM is. It's a DB. You comparing him to Biggie is the same as me comparing a guy like James Vaughters (going into second CFL season, ex-Calgary DE) to Bighill.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: gobombersgo on January 10, 2020, 03:39:24 AM
2019 CFL free agents that signed in the NFL:

Ty Long BC Lions K - played 16 games with Chargers

Marken Michel Stamps WR - Signed with Eagles, didnt play any regular season games, signed a future contract with Eagles for 2020

Alex Singleton Stamps LB- played 10 games with Eagles

Jameer Thurman Stamps LB- signed with Bears and cut Aug 31st, drafted by XFL

James Vaughters Stamps DL- played 3 games with Bears

Jake Ceresna Esks DL - released by Giants Aug 31st, re-signed with Esks in November

Mercy Mastan Esks DB- cut by Eagles before regular season, signed with Bombers in August

Bryant Mitchell
Esks WR- was signed by Cards then Bucs but torn his achilles on Aug 11th

D'haquille Duke Williams Esks WR- played 4 games with Bills (was injured for parts of the season)

Samuel Equavoen Riders LB- played 16 games with Dolphins

Diontae Spencer
Redblacks WR -signed with Steelers and was cut Aug 31st, then signed Broncos and played in 16 games

Tevaughn Campbell Als DB - signed by Jets and was cut Aug 31st, then signed by Chargers         


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 10, 2020, 03:41:14 AM
I think its funny because you obviously don't realize what a CFL SAM is. It's a DB. You comparing him to Biggie is the same as me comparing a guy like James Vaughters (going into second CFL season, ex-Calgary DE) to Bighill.
where does it say I was comparing him to Bighill? ::)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 10, 2020, 04:48:07 AM
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Thank you to the Ticat organization for accepting my release - it's been a pleasure to play for this team!

Huge thank you to the CFLPA for the support during this long process.

And thank you to the fans for all of the love!!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 10, 2020, 07:26:31 AM
D'haquille Duke Williams Esks WR- played 4 games with Bills (was injured for parts of the season)

And was one of the few Bills receivers making plays in last weekend's wildcard games.  I bet he sticks for longer in the NFL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 10, 2020, 07:28:58 AM
Lirim Hajrullahu
Thank you to the Ticat organization for accepting my release - it's been a pleasure to play for this team!

Wow.  That's messed up when NAT Lirim thinks he can make NFL teams when Medlock (who is 10X better) knows his best bet is in the CFL.  Lirim is a valuable commodity here in the CFL.  I bet dollars to donuts he's back in the CFL soon enough.

Hey Lirim, don't show the NFL scouts the 5-kick-miss game you treated us Bomber fans to a few years back!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 10, 2020, 12:18:15 PM
Wow.  That's messed up when NAT Lirim thinks he can make NFL teams when Medlock (who is 10X better) knows his best bet is in the CFL.  Lirim is a valuable commodity here in the CFL.  I bet dollars to donuts he's back in the CFL soon enough.

Hey Lirim, don't show the NFL scouts the 5-kick-miss game you treated us Bomber fans to a few years back!

lol no doubt.  He was hot garbage here during the last portion of his career here in Winnipeg. Don?t let the door hit your butt on the way out Liram.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on January 10, 2020, 02:16:54 PM
Wow.  That's messed up when NAT Lirim thinks he can make NFL teams when Medlock (who is 10X better) knows his best bet is in the CFL.  Lirim is a valuable commodity here in the CFL.  I bet dollars to donuts he's back in the CFL soon enough.

Hey Lirim, don't show the NFL scouts the 5-kick-miss game you treated us Bomber fans to a few years back!

Medlock is not 10x better. That's just your bias.

And you never know, Maher and Long both have spent some time in the league. Medlock had his shot down there and is much older.

And yes, I'm sure the scouts will watch film from *checks notes* 5 years ago


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 10, 2020, 07:48:21 PM
Wow.  That's messed up when NAT Lirim thinks he can make NFL teams when Medlock (who is 10X better) knows his best bet is in the CFL.  Lirim is a valuable commodity here in the CFL.  I bet dollars to donuts he's back in the CFL soon enough.

Hey Lirim, don't show the NFL scouts the 5-kick-miss game you treated us Bomber fans to a few years back!

well he was an all star last season in the east...and he punts and does kickoffs and FGs....AND Canadian.   We have chased a lot of kickers outa town until Medlock showed up.   I'm not saying he's better than Medlock but he does have an upside being a Canadian and he's gotten more consistent since leaving us.....


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 10, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
well he was an all star last season in the east...and he punts and does kickoffs and FGs....AND Canadian.   We have chased a lot of kickers outa town until Medlock showed up.   I'm not saying he's better than Medlock but he does have an upside being a Canadian and he's gotten more consistent since leaving us.....

Happy the Bombers have Medlock but they disposed of Lirim way too quickly considering his skill level and passport, his rookie season was outstanding and he's played very consistently since he left Wpg. after his less than stellar second year.  He did not come across as overly happy while here, I think moving back East to be closer to family was part of the reason for his departure.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 11, 2020, 06:13:43 AM
Medlock is not 10x better. That's just your bias.

And yes, I'm sure the scouts will watch film from *checks notes* 5 years ago

OK, 10X might be an exaggeration, but Medlock>Lirim, by far.  Now, arguably Lirim is a better value because he's a NAT, and cheaper.  However, when you need 6 FG in the GC, my money is on Money Medlock.  (He did miss the one, but it was far, and he got dialled in real fast and didn't let it get to his head.)

As for the 5 years ago thing, I would pay attention to it because it shows that Lirim can get messed up in the head pretty darn quickly and not recover from it for a whole game (or rest of the season).  That's literally the worst thing a K can do: not shrug off misses.  The only multi-miss Medlock game I remember recently is the one in '19 vs OTT where he missed 2 but then ran down on that punt to recover his own kick at the 3!

well he was an all star last season in the east...and he punts and does kickoffs and FGs....AND Canadian.   We have chased a lot of kickers outa town until Medlock showed up.   I'm not saying he's better than Medlock but he does have an upside being a Canadian and he's gotten more consistent since leaving us.....

Yes, as I said in my first comment, Lirim is good.  Arguably the best NAT K right now?  But the question at hand is what is the NFL doing looking at him?  He's not even remotely close to NFL good.  NFL needs that huge leg to ensure every KO is a touchback.  Lirim can't do that.  Lirim will come back in short order and continue being a solid NAT K in the CFL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on January 11, 2020, 05:30:26 PM
OK, 10X might be an exaggeration, but Medlock>Lirim, by far.  Now, arguably Lirim is a better value because he's a NAT, and cheaper.  However, when you need 6 FG in the GC, my money is on Money Medlock.  (He did miss the one, but it was far, and he got dialled in real fast and didn't let it get to his head.)

As for the 5 years ago thing, I would pay attention to it because it shows that Lirim can get messed up in the head pretty darn quickly and not recover from it for a whole game (or rest of the season).  That's literally the worst thing a K can do: not shrug off misses.  The only multi-miss Medlock game I remember recently is the one in '19 vs OTT where he missed 2 but then ran down on that punt to recover his own kick at the 3!
Comparing a guy in his second year as a pro to who he is now is just a grasp at straws because he isn't a Bomber, so he isn't the best


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 14, 2020, 05:52:35 PM
Less then a month till free agency starts. Very slow right now with teams signing players.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 14, 2020, 06:23:09 PM
Less then a month till free agency starts. Very slow right now with teams signing players.

I wonder if the new ability to shop around their offers ( 8 day window ) is influencing the lack of signings?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on January 14, 2020, 07:14:29 PM
Less then a month till free agency starts. Very slow right now with teams signing players.

I think a lot of teams are waiting to see how the NFL workouts go for their players entering free agency.  You don't want to spend all your mazoom signing Option B just to find out that Option A didn't get an NFL offer and is now prepared to talk turkey. 

Case in point, I am sure the Bombers are waiting to see if Jefferson gets an actual NFL offer.  He is the domino that will key all the other decisions on the d-line spending. 

But they can't wait forever either. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 14, 2020, 07:21:23 PM
OK, 10X might be an exaggeration, but Medlock>Lirim, by far.  Now, arguably Lirim is a better value because he's a NAT, and cheaper.  However, when you need 6 FG in the GC, my money is on Money Medlock.  (He did miss the one, but it was far, and he got dialled in real fast and didn't let it get to his head.)

As for the 5 years ago thing, I would pay attention to it because it shows that Lirim can get messed up in the head pretty darn quickly and not recover from it for a whole game (or rest of the season).  That's literally the worst thing a K can do: not shrug off misses.  The only multi-miss Medlock game I remember recently is the one in '19 vs OTT where he missed 2 but then ran down on that punt to recover his own kick at the 3!

Yes, as I said in my first comment, Lirim is good.  Arguably the best NAT K right now?  But the question at hand is what is the NFL doing looking at him?  He's not even remotely close to NFL good.  NFL needs that huge leg to ensure every KO is a touchback.  Lirim can't do that.  Lirim will come back in short order and continue being a solid NAT K in the CFL.


Lirim easily has enough leg for touch backs. Don't mistake how a kicker places his kickoffs in the CFL with the distance they are able to kick. In the CFL kickers actually hold back on their kickoffs so as NOT to put them in the end zone because a touchback is not a good result. When you see Lirim and most other kickers placing it around the 10 yard line it is because they want the opposition to field the ball and not let it go into the end zone. Also in the NFL, they kick it directly down the field not to one side of the field as they do in the CFL.

Let's add it up, in the NFL kickers don't place the ball they kick it full out, the field is 10 yards shorter, the kick is straight not angled thus creating another 5-10 yards of distance. Add it up and Lirim, or Medlock for example, have ample leg strength for the NFL.

Take Sergio Castillo for example, who when playing in the CFL at the same time as Lirim, averaged less yards per kickoff than Lirim yet he easily had the leg for kickoffs in the NFL.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 14, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
I think a lot of teams are waiting to see how the NFL workouts go for their players entering free agency.  You don't want to spend all your mazoom signing Option B just to find out that Option A didn't get an NFL offer and is now prepared to talk turkey. 

Case in point, I am sure the Bombers are waiting to see if Jefferson gets an actual NFL offer.  He is the domino that will key all the other decisions on the d-line spending. 

But they can't wait forever either. 

I think the Bombers have a pretty good idea with what's going on with Jefferson. NFL teams tend to do their due diligence and will have been in contact with the Bombers and I am sure KW will have gotten a sense as to the legitimacy of their interest.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 14, 2020, 07:59:33 PM
I think the Bombers have a pretty good idea with what's going on with Jefferson. NFL teams tend to do their due diligence and will have been in contact with the Bombers and I am sure KW will have gotten a sense as to the legitimacy of their interest.

Willie is in a bad spot as no PR left...and teams only have 94 k to put toward free agent signing bonuses....you may get a 6 figure signing bonus on paper...but you only get a fraction up front...like 5k..maybe 10...and the balance once you make the squad...and if you don't, then the balance is considered "dead money" and paid out against a teams cap over 5 years, and teams don't like to have that dead money limiting them in sms. Teams do this now with this free agent signing bonus cap to allow themselves to have ability to bring in more guys to camp.

In Willies case he has to roster, or else the team will have to pay him out, and he is gonna need/want a sizeable bonus because if he gets cut after TC he would have missed out on whatever he could have got in CFL...And even if they gave him a 100k bonus...then cut him he would still have earned less than if he signed up here...got his signing bonus and 6-8 game cheques


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 15, 2020, 01:35:05 AM
I think the Bombers have a pretty good idea with what's going on with Jefferson. NFL teams tend to do their due diligence and will have been in contact with the Bombers and I am sure KW will have gotten a sense as to the legitimacy of their interest.

If Willie comes back Kyle better have $250,000 set aside for him, the man is going to expect to be paid.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 15, 2020, 10:16:58 AM
If Willie comes back Kyle better have $250,000 set aside for him, the man is going to expect to be paid.

And you pay the man.  Set him up for "life" like we did Biggie.  I've been down on Willie at times, and agree with many Ridersfans about him on many things that most here don't see, but the man pretty much won the 2-3 of the last 4 games for us (incl the GC), as well as a few more in-season.  If anyone in the CFL stands out as "too good for the CFL" (like a Flutie), it's Willie.  Whoever rosters Willie will have an unfair advantage over other teams.

Willie likes it here, he's so "tight with this team man!", if he's not in the NFL you pay him whatever it takes to have him on your team.  You give him that smoke.  And I have no doubt KW will do so.  But if any CFLer should be in the NFL, it's Willie... (not Lirim...)

P.S. I'm sure it's clear to everyone that when Willie is "on", he not only makes the stats, he makes that whole DL and blitz package better.  Jeffcoat, Nevis, Fatboi, Stove, all make more plays because the OL is busy with Willie.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 15, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
I think a lot of teams are waiting to see how the NFL workouts go for their players entering free agency.  You don't want to spend all your mazoom signing Option B just to find out that Option A didn't get an NFL offer and is now prepared to talk turkey. 

Case in point, I am sure the Bombers are waiting to see if Jefferson gets an actual NFL offer.  He is the domino that will key all the other decisions on the d-line spending. 

But they can't wait forever either. 

Timing is a risk to both sides in the waiting game. You can't wait until May to find out Jefferson isn't coming back. Top free agents are usually signed or re-signed in the 1st few days of free agency.

Teams will go into free agency with a plan regarding replacements. That will change moment by moment as choices decide and priorities will change as players are gained or lost.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 15, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
The thing is we are pretty set up at moment to wait a bit, and keep some money set aside for a possible return during the free agent frenzy....We don't have much for holes to fill, and the few we do can be filled via free agency if we chose to go that route on very manageable contracts, and some may already be here in house...we may have to look at a db or two via free-agency but they rarely break the bank on a contract that hand-cuffs you



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on January 15, 2020, 04:14:25 PM
I think that the plethora of DE's being brought in are the backup plan for "If Willie doesn't come back north".  With Roh and Jeffcoat, we should be OK, especially if we draft another Kongbo (or he returns...)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 15, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
Timing is a risk to both sides in the waiting game. You can't wait until May to find out Jefferson isn't coming back. Top free agents are usually signed or re-signed in the 1st few days of free agency.

Teams will go into free agency with a plan regarding replacements. That will change moment by moment as choices decide and priorities will change as players are gained or lost.

I don't think Walters will be a big player in F.A. this year, he may fill up the odd hole with a solid vet. but I think he'll leave the big headline signings to other GM's.  His main focus should be on luring his own F.A.'s back to the fold, which will create plenty of excitement if he's successful. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 15, 2020, 04:50:01 PM
Could also be a case that they have spoke with Willie and discussed a number if the NFL thing doesn't pan out..so they already know the SMS fit and that it means Roh will be on the outs and a first year guy will fill that rotational role at a cheaper price tag to make it all work


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 15, 2020, 04:51:53 PM
I don't think Walters will be a big player in F.A. this year, he may fill up the odd hole with a solid vet. but I think he'll leave the big headline signings to other GM's.  His main focus should be on luring his own F.A.'s back to the fold, which will create plenty of excitement if he's successful. 

Exactly...we don't need to go out and over spend in free agency...and any guy we do land...possibly a DB...or two is gonna be coming here at a similar price to another teams offer...if not even a bit less...because of the Bomber culture and chances of winning...ala Willie last year


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 15, 2020, 04:58:49 PM
We don't have a lot of holes to fill if we can re-sign our key potential free agents. Management probably already has a good idea of which players they are not going to be able to bring back.

That said Nevis, Thomas, Jefferson, Roh, S. Bryant, D. Adams, Fenner, Taylor and all our  starting QB's are not announced as returning yet. We've lost Sayles, Rose and Kongbo to the NFL. Probably Streveler as well.

So we may have some real issues to deal with which might be solved before or during free agency.

I won't go as far as saying we don't have many holes to deal with until we see more re-signings. I'm optimistic we will but optimism is not as good as a new signed contract.

We certainly have a lot of talent available if we can bring them back within the SMS. That's a lot more than we could have said in past off seasons.

I agree we won't see Walters as a big player in free agency for the most part. Over paying is not a wise use of the SMS.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 16, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
Calgary, Winnipeg, and Sask, lead the way with transactions this off season. Teams like BC, Edmonton, Montreal and Ottawa, have done next to nothing.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 16, 2020, 05:42:00 PM
It appears about 40 players have been extended across the CFL. Another 14 or so have been released for NFL opportunities.

Rough count remaining potential free agents is about 220 -230. I'd guess at least 20 or 30 of those will never play another game in the CFL. A few of those will be retirements forced or voluntary.


Our list is short but a few key pieces along with NFL departures.

We're still in a good position to come up with only a small number of changes overall. Most will be depth.

The biggest changes will be in the secondary due to current losses.




Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 16, 2020, 09:46:59 PM
I don't think Walters will be a big player in F.A. this year, he may fill up the odd hole with a solid vet. but I think he'll leave the big headline signings to other GM's.  His main focus should be on luring his own F.A.'s back to the fold, which will create plenty of excitement if he's successful. 

Can never count Walters out. I didn't expect him to go out and sign Willie in the first place, but here we are.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 16, 2020, 10:31:26 PM
Can never count Walters out. I didn't expect him to go out and sign Willie in the first place, but here we are.

You got it!  '18 he pulled Bighill out of his magic hat.  '19 he pulled Willie out of his Christmas stocking.  '20... the year he pulls Zylstra or Walker out?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on January 16, 2020, 10:45:56 PM
You got it!  '18 he pulled Bighill out of his magic hat.  '19 he pulled Willie out of his Christmas stocking.  '20... the year he pulls Zylstra or Walker out?

Zylstra is in Carolina and showed pretty well with opportunities.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 17, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
You got it!  '18 he pulled Bighill out of his magic hat.  '19 he pulled Willie out of his Christmas stocking.  '20... the year he pulls Zylstra or Walker out?

Opolago as well came out of nowhere and was on nobodies radar


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 17, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Zylstra is in Carolina and showed pretty well with opportunities.

Yeah, I don't know if I see him back in the CFL soon.

Walker would be a nice addition to the offence, but that probably means the team moves on from Adams.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on January 17, 2020, 02:27:29 PM
One thing in common with all the FA's KW has pulled out of his hat is that they are quality guys, off the field.  They fit into the club dynamic.  No hot shot prima donnas.. guys you want on the field and in the locker room,,,

So, I'd take that into acount when proposing guys we might land...

In the meantime, having Willie out there makes his job a little tougher.  Not knowing if a substantial SMS hit needs to be made is a tough thing.  They seem to be stacking the TC roster with potential "next ones", so there is that...  and its not as bad as what Buff did to Chevy, but it is still a thing.  BUt in today's CFL, every GM is dealing with a situation like this..



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 17, 2020, 02:42:16 PM
Pretty sure he is in pretty consistent contact with Willie and they have discussed a number on what he wants to play back in Winnipeg again...if the NFL doesn't pan out...He has stated he just wants whats fair and what he thinks he is worth, likes his teammates...likes the city and organization so I would be shocked if he signs elsewhere in the CFL if the NFL doesn't pan out if we agree to what he thinks his value is...And certain Walters knows this and is working/doing things to make it work .

We aren't in a place where we need big amounts of extra cash needed to sigh free-agents to fill gaping holes..and the ones we may need to fill (a db or two) aren't hand-cuffing type of contracts, and guys we re-upped were all vets who received a bump...in maybe the 5 to 10k range, not guys coming of entry level deals requiring a salary going from the mid 50k's...to mid 60k's and closing in on 6 figures


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 17, 2020, 03:30:55 PM
Adeleke re-signed with the Ticats so he won't be an option in free agency. Pretty much expected he'd re-sign there but it was an interesting thought for a short moment.

So we still need to determine our 7th actual Canadian starter / or rotation that is practical. Losing Kongbo didn't help.

Safety seems to be the most logical / likely place to upgrade our roster. Not an upgrade over Alexander but I think we're expecting him back at DHB in 2020.





Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on January 17, 2020, 04:01:44 PM
Spencer Wilson got cut loose by the Als because he had a larger roster bonus due, and they have an oversupply of younger NTL o-lineman.  He would not fill a need here, but this guy is only 31 and plays all 5 positions at a high level.  A couple of years ago, he bailed the Stamps out when a bunch of their starters went down and he played all the way up and down the line for them.

You have to think he would be of interest to the Riders.  Their OTs are no great shakes, and Wilson would be an upgrade on Clark or Bladek. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 17, 2020, 04:41:54 PM
Pretty sure he is in pretty consistent contact with Willie and they have discussed a number on what he wants to play back in Winnipeg again...if the NFL doesn't pan out...He has stated he just wants whats fair and what he thinks he is worth, likes his teammates...likes the city and organization so I would be shocked if he signs elsewhere in the CFL if the NFL doesn't pan out if we agree to what he thinks his value is...And certain Walters knows this and is working/doing things to make it work .

We aren't in a place where we need big amounts of extra cash needed to sigh free-agents to fill gaping holes..and the ones we may need to fill (a db or two) aren't hand-cuffing type of contracts, and guys we re-upped were all vets who received a bump...in maybe the 5 to 10k range, not guys coming of entry level deals requiring a salary going from the mid 50k's...to mid 60k's and closing in on 6 figures

If Willy comes back to the CFL I expect his ears are going to be wide open to offers, can't see him turning down a "crazy Kavis" offer if some GM is willing to spend $25,000-$50,000 more than Walters, much like Westerman.  I don't put much stock in a player's words when the camera is focused upon them, they usually say exactly what you'd expected them to say to fit the heat of the moment.  After the emotions of winning the championship die down the cool reflective mind that pushes most to pursue money takes over.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 17, 2020, 05:15:16 PM
If Willy comes back to the CFL I expect his ears are going to be wide open to offers, can't see him turning down a "crazy Kavis" offer if some GM is willing to spend $25,000-$50,000 more than Walters, much like Westerman.  I don't put much stock in a player's words when the camera is focused upon them, they usually say exactly what you'd expected them to say to fit the heat of the moment.  After the emotions of winning the championship die down the cool reflective mind that pushes most to pursue money takes over.

My feelings as well.

Not to say he wont sign here if our offer is competitive, but there's definitely a dollar value attached to his comfort with Winnipeg.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 17, 2020, 05:17:20 PM
My feelings as well.

Not to say he wont sign here if our offer is competitive, but there's definitely a dollar value attached to his comfort with Winnipeg.

Well...why didn't he do that last year then???


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 17, 2020, 05:23:26 PM
Well...why didn't he do that last year then???

I feel like he did?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 17, 2020, 05:29:57 PM
I feel like he did?

IIRC he took slightly less than an offer elsewhere. That was due to his belief that Winnipeg had a very good chance of being in the Grey Cup.

Playoff money and a chance of a Grey Cup ring play into decisions. Obviously those are not guaranteed but players also evaluate the management and perception of a team's roster ability.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 17, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
IIRC he took slightly less than an offer elsewhere. That was due to his belief that Winnipeg had a very good chance of being in the Grey Cup.

Playoff money and a chance of a Grey Cup ring play into decisions. Obviously those are not guaranteed but players also evaluate the management and perception of a team's roster ability.

Was the team that offered more money Montreal, who was an absolute tire fire last year? If so, yeah, I'd take less money and go anywhere else, too.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on January 17, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
Was the team that offered more money Montreal, who was an absolute tire fire last year? If so, yeah, I'd take less money and go anywhere else, too.

Didn't he sign here for less than SSK, which got their fans riled... no?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 17, 2020, 06:03:11 PM
Didn't he sign here for less than SSK, which got their fans riled... no?

Maybe? I'm not sure, I've only ever heard hearsay from fans on this forum.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 17, 2020, 06:06:40 PM
IIRC he took slightly less than an offer elsewhere. That was due to his belief that Winnipeg had a very good chance of being in the Grey Cup.

Playoff money and a chance of a Grey Cup ring play into decisions. Obviously those are not guaranteed but players also evaluate the management and perception of a team's roster ability.

Yes, I believe the Argos offered him $15,000 more, that probably wasn't crazy enough.  If Willy comes back his NFL dream will be done with and good chance he will attempt to maximize his value as the MODP in the CFL for the remainder of his career.  No reason he should offer his services at any kind of bargain, he's at the top of his game and will likely become the highest paid defensive player in the league.  The Riders made Micah Johnson the highest paid defensive player last season signing him on a one-year contract worth $250,000, big mistake....Willy might want to point out to Walters just how much more valuable he is than Johnson, he absolutely dominated the G.C. game.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 17, 2020, 06:08:12 PM
Didn't he sign here for less than SSK, which got their fans riled... no?

Don't think so, Sask. tried to low-ball him and he walked away without a counter offer.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on January 17, 2020, 06:42:29 PM
Ahhh.. that's right... Jones leaving opened the window...

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/27/willie-jefferson-lowballed-by-riders-took-less-choosing-bombers/

Chris Jones leaving the Riders led to Jefferson testing the open market, especially after the green and white offered him less than $175,000. Jefferson negotiated his own free agent contract and felt the offer was below market value.

The Toronto Argonauts were in the mix, but Jefferson wanted $235,000 to sign in the six. He chose what he felt was the best opportunity to win a Grey Cup in 2019. Jefferson inked a one-year contract worth $210,000 with Winnipeg that included the following: a $100,000 signing bonus; $90,000 base salary; $15,000 housing; and $5,000 travel.

Jones had been able to keep Jefferson in Saskatchewan in 2018 at a rate of $155,000 plus incentives. Being named a CFL all-star for a second-straight year under Jones netted some extra cash. If Jones, who left for a job with the Cleveland Browns, was still in Saskatchewan it?s near certain that Jefferson would have remained in Rider green.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 17, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
So basically, he took less money in order to win a Cup (and also henceforth get more money). Toronto wasn't going to get him that and I'm happy we were.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blueraid on January 17, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
So does Willie still feel that we are in the mix for a Cup win....another Cup win...then I expect his signing here will be inevitable...That's not to say that he won't get a better contract here than in 2019 AND we still look like the destination to be heading for in 2020...Up to him and Mr. Walters, if his dream down south has definitely dried up


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jets on January 17, 2020, 09:13:17 PM
Getting nervous about Stanley B testing FA the longer he goes unsigned.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 17, 2020, 11:13:38 PM
Getting nervous about Stanley B testing FA the longer he goes unsigned.

Patience, Stanley ain't going nowhere, he's wanted and well paid, I doubt he would get a substantial pay increase anywhere else, he already has to be near the top for Import OT's in terms of salary.  His biggest threat is a Natl. that can do his job or a young Import who could do it cheaper.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on January 18, 2020, 12:23:59 AM
I think that the sticking points to vet contracts is bonus money.  Bonus money is taxed less, but counts 100% to SMS, even in the case of being cut, or injury.  Guys like Medlock, who never miss a game and are unlikely to get replaced from a talent standpoint, no problem front loading the contract a ridiculous amount.  Bryant hasn't missed a game since joining our team.  So giving him some extra up front is less of a risk than other players, but an increasing risk as a player ages.  No doubt we can pay him more than anyone else will, if he includes playoff money potential...

It is a balancing act, getting players the max take home pay while minimizing the SMS hit... Walters has been pretty solid at it...  no reason to think he won't continue...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 18, 2020, 04:44:32 AM
Spencer Wilson [...]  You have to think he would be of interest to the Riders.  Their OTs are no great shakes, and Wilson would be an upgrade on Clark or Bladek. 

Ssssshhhh!  Don't give the enemy any good ideas!  Hopefully he'll sign in the east.  Besides, the only quality SSK looks for in an OL is "can he hold?".


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on January 18, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
Don't think so, Sask. tried to low-ball him and he walked away without a counter offer.
This is true.  They wanted Johnson so much that they did exactly what you said.  Also, what I am hearing is that IF Jefferson signs in the NFL it will be with the Miami Dolphins.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sec223 on January 18, 2020, 06:49:34 PM
This is true.  They wanted Johnson so much that they did exactly what you said.  Also, what I am hearing is that IF Jefferson signs in the NFL it will be with the Miami Dolphins.

 We're all hearing Jefferson to the Dolphins


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 18, 2020, 07:57:30 PM
This is true.  They wanted Johnson so much that they did exactly what you said.  Also, what I am hearing is that IF Jefferson signs in the NFL it will be with the Miami Dolphins.
This  is news from about a month ago. The people that liked him out of the Brian Flores staff were all fired shortly after Willies tryout. All new position coaches implemented.  Could throw a wrench in Willie getting a decent contract there. Time will tell....


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on January 18, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
Ssssshhhh!  Don't give the enemy any good ideas!  Hopefully he'll sign in the east.  Besides, the only quality SSK looks for in an OL is "can he hold?".

ALL o lines hold,it?s what they do, you act as the riders are the only ones. Let it go already


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 18, 2020, 10:17:05 PM
ALL o lines hold,it?s what they do, you act as the riders are the only ones. Let it go already
No he is right it is just the Riders.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 19, 2020, 07:30:42 AM
ALL o lines hold,it?s what they do, you act as the riders are the only ones. Let it go already

Never!  Not until my dying breath!  And even then...  ;D ;D :D :D

No he is right it is just the Riders.

It's weird... I saw something this year I have never seen before.  Perhaps it's because WPG went so deep in the playoffs.  Starting in the WSF I saw WPG's OL hold more than I've ever seen them hold.  Not quite SSK-level holding, but definitely flag-worthy holding, even by the CFL's diminished standards.  It wasn't just WPG... CGY and SSK and HAM were holding like mad too, in the WSF, WF, GC.  I think each game saw 0 or 1 holds actually penalized.

The revelations to me were:

1. The refs will "let them play" in the playoffs, for the most part.  No holds barred (hehe)!  More so this year than recent years.

2. Our OL can hold with the best of them when it's required/allowed.  I guess we must coach them clean throughout the year then let them loose in the playoffs?  I actually never knew our guys had that level of "hold" in them... good to see they are disciplined enough to turn it on and off based on the situation and what the coaches tell them to do.

As for SSK... they are on a special level of hold, and they don't just save it for the post-season.  They hold all season long to egregious levels and for some reason the refs let most of it slide.  And not just their OL: their RBs, WRs, DBs, STs, everyone holds there.  Makes me wonder why we don't egregiously hold all year too?  Or do refs only let it slide for SSK?  ;)

(The GC had a heck of a lot of HAM on WPG DPI going on too, but that's a whole other story...)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on January 19, 2020, 01:13:00 PM
We're all hearing Jefferson to the Dolphins
OK...Guess that I am last to the party. :-[


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 19, 2020, 01:46:19 PM
OK...Guess that I am last to the party. :-[
last ones are usually the most popular!  :)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 20, 2020, 01:07:04 PM
I feel like he did?

Thats what I was meaning...he took less to play in Winnipeg...he will go where he feels he's paid fair..has best chance to win...and where feels like best fit...just like he did last year


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 20, 2020, 02:19:08 PM
Ssssshhhh!  Don't give the enemy any good ideas!  Hopefully he'll sign in the east.  Besides, the only quality SSK looks for in an OL is "can he hold?".


Spencer Wilson is mediocre. Be a great fit with the rest of the Riders mediocre OL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 20, 2020, 03:01:01 PM
The players on our FA list I would like to see signed before FA starts:

Jefferson
Zach or Matt
Thomas
Miles
Roh
Nevis
Adams

The players that may not be back.

Fenner
Couture
Hecht
D. Jones
K. Jones
Nelson
and of course Foketi.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 20, 2020, 06:10:31 PM
The players on our FA list I would like to see signed before FA starts:

Jefferson
Zach or Matt
Thomas
Miles
Roh
Nevis
Adams

The players that may not be back.

Fenner
Couture
Hecht
D. Jones
K. Jones
Nelson
and of course Foketi.

+1. Almost in that order., just flipping QB to the top and Jefferson to # 2. If we re-sign Jefferson I might exclude Roh and go with a rookie DE on the PR.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on January 20, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
The players on our FA list I would like to see signed before FA starts:

Jefferson
Zach or Matt
Thomas
Miles
Roh
Nevis
Adams

The players that may not be back.

Fenner
Couture
Hecht
D. Jones
K. Jones
Nelson
and of course Foketi.
I have pretty much 0 qualms with this. D.Jones is a nice STer tho. And I'd like Adam's back, but I also wanna see us upgrade over him if that makes sense? He's a solid #2 but I don't want him to be "the guy"


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 20, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
There was no order to my list but if there was:

Zach or Matt
Jefferson
Thomas
Miles
Nevis
Adams
Roh

And I would agree, if we sign WJ5, we probably don't need Roh.

Also if we at going after a #1 receiver in FA, we can't afford Adams.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 20, 2020, 07:08:48 PM
I have pretty much 0 qualms with this. D.Jones is a nice STer tho. And I'd like Adam's back, but I also wanna see us upgrade over him if that makes sense? He's a solid #2 but I don't want him to be "the guy"
Unless someone really rips a huge performance in TC..Lawler is gonna be "the guy" I would think...Adams doesn't need to be that anymore and is a solid #2 or #3..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 20, 2020, 07:20:47 PM
ALL o lines hold,it?s what they do, you act as the riders are the only ones. Let it go already

While I think that he has taken the premise too far, there is a kernel of truth to it. All teams hold and get away with holding. HOWEVER, the CFL in an effort to ramp up offence has allowed teams to compensate for crap OLs by having the officials put their whistles in their pockets on what used to be called consistently. Now it has to be egregious to be called and teams with weak sauce OLs are being propped up by the league's policy intended to help keep QBs upright.

Is it fair that a team that built OL stability and does not require a hold on every play not to get some kind of benefit from that...sure...but in the end, it is good for the game overall....as long as they tighten up the holding calls in the playoffs so that the wheat can be separated from the chaff.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 20, 2020, 08:16:34 PM
The players on our FA list I would like to see signed before FA starts:

Jefferson
Zach or Matt
Thomas
Miles
Roh
Nevis
Adams

The players that may not be back.

Fenner
Couture
Hecht
D. Jones
K. Jones
Nelson
and of course Foketi.

blue_or_die's FA order:

1. Matt/Zach
2. Willie J
3. Nevis
4. Adams
4. Thomas
5. Miles

I love Craig Roh but I think he's expendable. If he wants to come back and is willing to forgo a raise, I'm good with that. Of course that would be moot if we didn't have Kongbo leaving. I would put Roh re-signing in the same level of importance as re-signing Fenner: not high but I would consider it.  I would say that, assuming Jefferson is re-signed, if we need to put a cheap American somewhere, backup DE would be it and it might be a nice futures spot to find "the next one".

My rationale for the other positioning is that Nevis is under-rated and is a stalwart at clogging up the middle; Adams, while not a true #1, is reliable and knows the system and gives us continuity in a position where I don't think a shakeup is needed; and Jake and Thomas Miles are good depth guys but not key like the others mentioned. Still definitely want them back tho.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 20, 2020, 10:32:04 PM
blue_or_die's FA order:

1. Matt/Zach
2. Willie J
3. Nevis
4. Adams
4. Thomas
5. Miles

I love Craig Roh but I think he's expendable. If he wants to come back and is willing to forgo a raise, I'm good with that. Of course that would be moot if we didn't have Kongbo leaving. I would put Roh re-signing in the same level of importance as re-signing Fenner: not high but I would consider it.  I would say that, assuming Jefferson is re-signed, if we need to put a cheap American somewhere, backup DE would be it and it might be a nice futures spot to find "the next one".

My rationale for the other positioning is that Nevis is under-rated and is a stalwart at clogging up the middle; Adams, while not a true #1, is reliable and knows the system and gives us continuity in a position where I don't think a shakeup is needed; and Jake and Thomas Miles are good depth guys but not key like the others mentioned. Still definitely want them back tho.

"Assuming Jefferson is re-signed" is an iffy proposition at best, "bird in hand" scenario, Roh may not be a super-freak but he is an excellent, journeyman DE and he should be re-signed asap before he feels neglected and seeks interest elsewhere.  There's a pretty good chance Jefferson doesn't play for the Bombers this year or comes back later in the year, starting the year off with at least 2 experienced DE's will provide a base to build up from and help the D get off to a good start which is essential if they want to contend for first.  There could be a number of new faces in the secondary so retaining the D-line personnel as well as they can will help out on the back-end.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 20, 2020, 10:52:48 PM
"Assuming Jefferson is re-signed" is an iffy proposition at best, "bird in hand" scenario, Roh may not be a super-freak but he is an excellent, journeyman DE and he should be re-signed asap before he feels neglected and seeks interest elsewhere.  There's a pretty good chance Jefferson doesn't play for the Bombers this year or comes back later in the year, starting the year off with at least 2 experienced DE's will provide a base to build up from and help the D get off to a good start which is essential if they want to contend for first.  There could be a number of new faces in the secondary so retaining the D-line personnel as well as they can will help out on the back-end.
Well said I agree.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 20, 2020, 11:43:05 PM
as long as they tighten up the holding calls in the playoffs so that the wheat can be separated from the chaff.

But it was the precise opposite!  This post-season saw them call almost no holds.  And teams were a'holding non-stop.  Even us.  I think each post-season game had at most 2 holds flagged.

Rewatching our season there was one game we played early on where we got like 5 holding penalties and MOS even remarked they are calling a lot of holding.  And that's on US!  And we are the least holding team in the league!  So even though they rarely called holding in-season, they still called it more than the playoffs.

Oh ya, and your premise regarding holds allowing weak OLs to succeed is 100% spot on.  SSK's holds made their OL look as good as our (waaay better) OL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Horseman on January 21, 2020, 06:07:04 PM
The refs/league has decided that as long as the OL has his hands on the inside of the shoulders on the DL (ie; on the DL chest area) he can hold/grab the DL jersey, anything outside of the shoulders will be called a hold by the refs.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 21, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
"Assuming Jefferson is re-signed" is an iffy proposition at best, "bird in hand" scenario, Roh may not be a super-freak but he is an excellent, journeyman DE and he should be re-signed asap before he feels neglected and seeks interest elsewhere.  There's a pretty good chance Jefferson doesn't play for the Bombers this year or comes back later in the year, starting the year off with at least 2 experienced DE's will provide a base to build up from and help the D get off to a good start which is essential if they want to contend for first.  There could be a number of new faces in the secondary so retaining the D-line personnel as well as they can will help out on the back-end.

Depends on the price. He is not an ELC guy, as we got him in FA in 2018 so he?s not super cheap considering he?s a back up, I wouldn?t think. If he wants a raise, that makes it even more difficult. We will have many guys we need even more who will all need raises and there is only so much SMS. If his expectations for salary aren?t huge, I am more than happy to have him back.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 22, 2020, 02:56:16 AM
I am hoping we can get Thomas, and Miles, signed by the end of the week.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 22, 2020, 04:31:45 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 22, 2020, 05:12:45 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on January 22, 2020, 05:25:09 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on January 22, 2020, 12:24:22 PM
Andre Jones son TJ, who has been in the NFL for 5 years and is a NAT, is looking for a place to play in the CFL. Gitter dun Walters. For those who don't remember Andre Jones he played for the Bombers in 91 or 92 and had a great season and went to the NFL. While here, he had TJ in Winnipeg making him a natural born Winnipegger and qualifies as a NAT.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on January 22, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
Andre Jones son TJ, who has been in the NFL for 5 years and is a NAT, is looking for a place to play in the CFL. Gitter dun Walters. For those who don't remember Andre Jones he played for the Bombers in 91 or 92 and had a great season and went to the NFL. While here, he had TJ in Winnipeg making him a natural born Winnipegger and qualifies as a NAT.

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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on January 22, 2020, 02:00:27 PM
Andre Jones son TJ, who has been in the NFL for 5 years and is a NAT, is looking for a place to play in the CFL. Gitter dun Walters. For those who don't remember Andre Jones he played for the Bombers in 91 or 92 and had a great season and went to the NFL. While here, he had TJ in Winnipeg making him a natural born Winnipegger and qualifies as a NAT.

Seems like a guy that Toronto would go hard after...he has some family ties to Rocket Ishmael as well.  He is a true free agent with nobody holding his rights.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 22, 2020, 02:22:57 PM
Andre Jones son TJ, who has been in the NFL for 5 years and is a NAT, is looking for a place to play in the CFL. Gitter dun Walters. For those who don't remember Andre Jones he played for the Bombers in 91 or 92 and had a great season and went to the NFL. While here, he had TJ in Winnipeg making him a natural born Winnipegger and qualifies as a NAT.

I guess it will depend on the amount of money he's looking for to play in the CFL. NFL stats show 67 receptions and 860 yards total over 5 NFL seasons which doesn't jump out and say sign me. Passport helps and being born in Winnipeg might lure him towards the Bombers.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on January 22, 2020, 02:24:40 PM
The fact though that he stuck on an active roster for 5 seasons shows he has talent, and at 27 years old..low mileage could add some real value....he also returns kicks.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 22, 2020, 02:40:38 PM
I would sign this kid. He looks like he is very quick and has good hands.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jesse on January 22, 2020, 03:03:53 PM
Andre Jones son TJ, who has been in the NFL for 5 years and is a NAT, is looking for a place to play in the CFL. Gitter dun Walters. For those who don't remember Andre Jones he played for the Bombers in 91 or 92 and had a great season and went to the NFL. While here, he had TJ in Winnipeg making him a natural born Winnipegger and qualifies as a NAT.

I've always wondered about him. I knew he was born in Winnipeg but didn't know the story.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Norm W on January 22, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
Passport helps and being born in Winnipeg might lure him towards the Bombers.

Dad was drafted by the Steelers in 1991, made the Bombers roster in 1992 and the following year went to the Detroit Lions where he played one season. TJ, there are two of them, was born in Winnipeg in July of 1992... guessing he didn't stay, but he gets the passport.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 22, 2020, 08:08:29 PM
The fact though that he stuck on an active roster for 5 seasons shows he has talent, and at 27 years old..low mileage could add some real value....he also returns kicks.

Agreed. He could be a hell of a ratio breaker with his versatility.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on January 22, 2020, 10:28:19 PM
Agreed. He could be a hell of a ratio breaker with his versatility.

He could be but we've seen lots of receivers come out of the NFL with good / great stats and credentials. Many played for multiple seasons in the NFL but failed to adapt to the CFL.

We'll see if he signs and how he does. Just another prospect potentially at the moment. His passport won't hurt if he signs and shows well.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2020, 08:20:13 PM
BC, Toronto, and Edmonton have a lot of work to do. All three teams have done just about nothing.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on January 27, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
BC, Toronto, and Edmonton have a lot of work to do. All three teams have done just about nothing.

Not sure what they have done or not done, just aware of what they have announced...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on January 27, 2020, 02:49:15 PM
The fact though that he stuck on an active roster for 5 seasons shows he has talent, and at 27 years old..low mileage could add some real value....he also returns kicks.



totally agree.  Westerman, Giguere and Muamba are three guys who were all marginal NFL guys, but were National studs when they came to the CFL. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 02, 2020, 03:45:18 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on February 02, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
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Argos release all-star calibre Canadian OL Ryan Bomben to avoid paying roster bonus: The Toronto Argonauts have released Canadian offensive lineman Ryan Bomben, per sources. Bomben was due a $10,000 roster bonus on February 1. The Argos? https://3downnation.com/2020/02/01/argos-release-all-star-calibre-canadian-ol-ryan-bomben-to-avoid-paying-roster-bonus/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter via @JohnDHodge

Doesn't sound like an intelligent move by the Argos.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 02, 2020, 04:05:14 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 02, 2020, 04:07:12 PM
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Eskimos release veteran Canadian receiver Natey Adjei instead of paying roster bonus: The Edmonton Eskimos have released national receiver Natey Adjei. Adjei was scheduled to receive a $7,500 roster bonus on February 1 and April 1 along with? https://3downnation.com/2020/02/01/eskimos-release-veteran-canadian-receiver-natey-adjei-instead-of-paying-roster-bonus/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter via @JDunk12


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 02, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
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Argos cut former NFL running back Brandon Burks prior to February 1 roster bonus: The Toronto Argonauts have released running back Brandon Burks. Burks was due a $10,000 roster bonus on February 1. He was scheduled to make $60,000 in base? https://3downnation.com/2020/02/02/argos-cut-former-nfl-running-back-brandon-burks-prior-to-february-1-roster-bonus/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter via @JDunk12


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2020, 04:22:58 PM
Orange mite be a guy to take a look at. The question mite be can he stay healthy.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 02, 2020, 06:00:52 PM
Wow... more roster bonus cuts than we usually see... not sure cutting Bomben sends a comforting message to any potential QB... unless they think they can get a replacement in the first round with one of thier picks.. but releasing him for $10k?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on February 02, 2020, 08:58:10 PM
Wow... more roster bonus cuts than we usually see... not sure cutting Bomben sends a comforting message to any potential QB... unless they think they can get a replacement in the first round with one of thier picks.. but releasing him for $10k?


This is the impact of raising the minimum contract to 65k.  I would guesstimate teams likely have at least 10 guys on minimum contracts and another 10 in the near minimum category.  Complying withnthge new CBA is going to cost maybe 100k,  but the cap is only going up 50.  Anyone who wants to play in free agency has to clear some room and bonuses are low hanging fruit.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 03, 2020, 12:30:26 AM
Riders sign Cdn. LB Cameron Judge.

https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-lb-cameron-judge-ol-takoby-cofield-to-extensions-1.1436757


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 03, 2020, 01:37:32 AM
Riders sign Cdn. LB Cameron Judge.

https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-lb-cameron-judge-ol-takoby-cofield-to-extensions-1.1436757
One pick after Ekakitie...oof


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 03, 2020, 04:15:33 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
Riders sign Cdn. LB Cameron Judge.

https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-lb-cameron-judge-ol-takoby-cofield-to-extensions-1.1436757
For a huuuuge overpay for a LB with average stats...paid cause of his phoney passport....hardly a game changer for 200k....Oday effed that one up...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2020, 02:44:41 PM
For a huuuuge overpay for a LB with average stats...paid cause of his phoney passport....hardly a game changer for 200k....Oday effed that one up...

What's phony about his passport? He was born in Montreal and lived in Vancouver / Victoria.

Overpaid I agree but he still seems to have more upside.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
What's phony about his passport? He was born in Montreal and lived in Vancouver / Victoria.

Overpaid I agree but he still seems to have more upside.
He is hardly a true Canadian...he gets that privileged now soley due to the new determination...Just like Woli..and many others
What did he do the last 3 years though to garner that salary...not a lot..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 03, 2020, 03:00:06 PM
For a huuuuge overpay for a LB with average stats...paid cause of his phoney passport....hardly a game changer for 200k....Oday effed that one up...

LOL not nearly as phony as Wolitarski's passport. Don't cast stones, sometimes they ricochet!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 03, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
He is hardly a true Canadian...he gets that privileged now soley due to the new determination...Just like Woli..and many others
What did he do the last 3 years though to garner that salary...not a lot..

From Wikipedia

Judge was born on November 29, 1994 in Montreal, Quebec to actor Christopher Judge (born Los Angeles, California, October 13, 1964) and Margaret Judge (nee Schinke, born Edmonton, Alberta, September 20, 1971), a former model. The family moved from Montreal (where Christopher Judge had been working on a television show) to Los Angeles when Judge was three months old. When Judge was three years old, the family moved to British Columbia and split their time living between Vancouver and Victoria. It was during his time in Vancouver, that Judge developed an interest in football and started playing minor football and attending B.C. Lions games. When Judge was twelve years old, the family moved back to California, primarily to give Judge and his older brother, Christopher, a better environment to develop their football skills


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
From Wikipedia

Judge was born on November 29, 1994 in Montreal, Quebec to actor Christopher Judge (born Los Angeles, California, October 13, 1964) and Margaret Judge (nee Schinke, born Edmonton, Alberta, September 20, 1971), a former model. The family moved from Montreal (where Christopher Judge had been working on a television show) to Los Angeles when Judge was three months old. When Judge was three years old, the family moved to British Columbia and split their time living between Vancouver and Victoria. It was during his time in Vancouver, that Judge developed an interest in football and started playing minor football and attending B.C. Lions games. When Judge was twelve years old, the family moved back to California, primarily to give Judge and his older brother, Christopher, a better environment to develop their football skills
Yeah...I read that too...but wouldn't qualify him before until they laxed up the requirements...and if he was such a slam dunk obvious Canadian he would have been originally included in drat rankings and availability right from day one...which he wasn't..but regardless the point is if anyone here thinks he is worth 210k possibly for 61 tackles and still after 3 years making assignment miscues...then I guess Jake Thomas is worth 250k cause his stats were better than Michah Johnsons..and Zack Evans...who is another 200k a year guy...Stupid stupid over pay and I doubt he would have got that from any other team


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2020, 03:35:39 PM
Riders sign Cdn. LB Cameron Judge.

https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-lb-cameron-judge-ol-takoby-cofield-to-extensions-1.1436757

Now we can see why Solly is about to be a FA...  if they give Judge this kind of money, and aren't giving Solly a decent offer...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
For a huuuuge overpay for a LB with average stats...paid cause of his phoney passport....hardly a game changer for 200k....Oday effed that one up...

A massive overpay? Average stats? He had the same number of tackles as Adam Bighill in 2019 (61). Judge was one of their better special teamers and had 11 tackles. He had 5 sacks (one more than Biggie), the same number of INTs and forced fumbles (2 each). Plus he counts as Canadian. That's a good signing for O'Day and the Riders.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 03:49:47 PM
A massive overpay? Average stats? He had the same number of tackles as Adam Bighill in 2019 (61). Judge was one of their better special teamers and had 11 tackles. He had 5 sacks (one more than Biggie), the same number of INTs and forced fumbles (2 each). Plus he counts as Canadian. That's a good signing for O'Day and the Riders.



Yeah average stats...very average...And yeah Biggies were not awe inspiring either....but based on the quality..and quantity of work it's not even close and Judge will never come close to Biggie numbers....ever....nice cherry pick tho looking at one season...Also Biggie was less than 100 percent for over 2/3rds of the year...we will see this year who has the "better" stats

Canadian or not...not worth 210k...and if judge went out for an extended period, or Bighill did...which team would suffer more in drop off in talent and worth to the team?..Only way Sask would suffer possibly is the fact their Canadian depth is non-existent and to meet their ratio would be an issue


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
A massive overpay? Average stats? He had the same number of tackles as Adam Bighill in 2019 (61). Judge was one of their better special teamers and had 11 tackles. He had 5 sacks (one more than Biggie), the same number of INTs and forced fumbles (2 each). Plus he counts as Canadian. That's a good signing for O'Day and the Riders.



He's a WIL, right?  Now, if they have moved on from Solly and are moving him back to MIKE, then I guess the pay is OK due to his passport.  But $200k on a WIL, when you need that kind of money for a top Int MIKE doesn't budget well...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2020, 04:07:28 PM
Yeah average stats...very average...And yeah Biggies were not awe inspiring either....but based on the quality..and quantity of work it's not even close and Judge will never come close to Biggie numbers....ever....nice cherry pick tho looking at one season...Also Biggie was less than 100 percent for over 2/3rds of the year...we will see this year who has the "better" stats

Canadian or not...not worth 210k...and if judge went out for an extended period, or Bighill did...which team would suffer more in drop off in talent and worth to the team?..Only way Sask would suffer possibly is the fact their Canadian depth is non-existent and to meet their ratio would be an issue


All I'm trying to say is it seems like a pretty reasonable contract to me. If Walters made that deal everyone would be saying how great it was. It's not an obvious overpay.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 04:10:59 PM
All I'm trying to say is it seems like a pretty reasonable contract to me. If Walters made that deal everyone would be saying how great it was. It's not an obvious overpay.

That price point..for that spot is excessive, and I don't think he deserves that amount for his body of work..you can't be paying a guy for possible "potential" in a small SMS world

If Walters did that...I don't think many would be praising that...That would likely mean the loss of a Jefferson, or moving a Bighill to make it work...2 moves that would weaken your team


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on February 03, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
All I'm trying to say is it seems like a pretty reasonable contract to me. If Walters made that deal everyone would be saying how great it was. It's not an obvious overpay.

I'm on the same page.  Starting Canadians get coin, and when they start in positions other than OL and boundary WR, they get a little more.  Judge was the Western nominee for Outstanding Canadian for goodness sake, we're not talking about Sam Hurl.  

It puzzles me why people tie themselves into logical knots trying to poormouth another teams roster moves.  Good players are good players, it doesn't diminish our team to acknowledge it.  


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 04:21:09 PM
I'm on the same page.  Starting Canadians get coin, and when they start in positions other than OL and boundary WR, they get a little more.  Judge was the Western nominee for Outstanding Canadian for goodness sake, we're not talking about Sam Hurl.  

It puzzles me why people tie themselves into logical knots trying to poormouth another teams roster moves.  Good players are good players, it doesn't diminish our team to acknowledge it.  

He was west nominee by circumstance and default...everyone knows who the West Nominee should have been
Kudos for them for re-upping a pending free agent Canadian..but he is nowhere close to being paid second highest salary on that team other than the QB..no way..no how...they basically squeewed and messed up their current SMS and will impact ability to sign any other pending free agent of theirs..ones who will be more important to the overall team success...Kiss Elinimian..Johnson..Probably Gainey (tho that will prob help them) good bye...far more important pieces than an adequate to average Canadian Will...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2020, 04:30:35 PM
He was west nominee by circumstance and default...everyone knows who the West Nominee should have been
Kudos for them for re-upping a pending free agent Canadian..but he is nowhere close to being paid second highest salary on that team other than the QB..no way..no how...they basically squeewed and messed up their current SMS and will impact ability to sign any other pending free agent of theirs..ones who will be more important to the overall team success...Kiss Elinimian..Johnson..Probably Gainey (tho that will prob help them) good bye...far more important pieces than an adequate to average Canadian Will...

Hey, I won't be upset if you're right but I think it's a bit of a stretch.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 03, 2020, 04:57:44 PM
He's a WIL, right?  Now, if they have moved on from Solly and are moving him back to MIKE, then I guess the pay is OK due to his passport.  But $200k on a WIL, when you need that kind of money for a top Int MIKE doesn't budget well...

Solly is now probably going to be offered much less than Judge to re-sign, just as the Bombers could not afford to pay both Lokombo and Bighill above avg. positional wages, Sask. is in a similar position.  Also I'm pretty sure Judge can play MLB as there's not much difference in those positions in today's game.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 03, 2020, 05:14:48 PM
If Saskatchewan want to blow their nut and spend 500k+ of their SMS on starting LBers I say go for it. Judge is a good WIL with the right passport, but to justify 200k per year they need him to evolve into a MIKE so they can ease Solly out the door.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on February 03, 2020, 05:50:50 PM
He was west nominee by circumstance and default...everyone knows who the West Nominee should have been
Kudos for them for re-upping a pending free agent Canadian..but he is nowhere close to being paid second highest salary on that team other than the QB..no way..no how...they basically squeewed and messed up their current SMS and will impact ability to sign any other pending free agent of theirs..ones who will be more important to the overall team success...Kiss Elinimian..Johnson..Probably Gainey (tho that will prob help them) good bye...far more important pieces than an adequate to average Canadian Will...
I have a feeling that all three of the players that you mentioned are either playing on a reduced salary or they are not in the plans of the Riders.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 03, 2020, 06:59:31 PM
none of them will under value themselves just to stay in Regina of all places...and to make it work there Soili and Johnson would have to accept prob 160k or less...and neither would/will do that when they can get more elsewhere...and be closer to civilization and technology, tho Gainey might as I don't see teams beating down his door..especially with the true character he showed beaking at our sideline during the Banjo Bowl beatdown, and he is an ego seeker and would prob play for sub par pay to have his ego stroked by the clown fan base


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 03, 2020, 07:33:44 PM
I have a feeling that all three of the players that you mentioned are either playing on a reduced salary or they are not in the plans of the Riders.

Solly played at a discount last year but will definitely be looking for MUCH more this year. Just as Bighill played at a discount for us, that had more to do with timing than anything else. Solly had the misfortune of becoming a FA once all the teams blew their nut already. He took a reduced salary because that was all teams could afford. Gainey will not take a discount, and we all know that Johnson was 250k last year. He might take a shave but it won't be a big one.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2020, 07:57:39 PM
Solly was coming off a 4 game injury season last year, so he signed a dsiscount deal and put up some very good numbers.  He is due for a raise that SSK won't be able to pay, with Judge needing to move to MLB.    I'd be really interested in reuniting Team 100 (number 96 is available ;)  if it weren't for Wilson...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 03, 2020, 08:38:36 PM
Solly played at a discount last year but will definitely be looking for MUCH more this year. Just as Bighill played at a discount for us, that had more to do with timing than anything else. Solly had the misfortune of becoming a FA once all the teams blew their nut already. He took a reduced salary because that was all teams could afford. Gainey will not take a discount, and we all know that Johnson was 250k last year. He might take a shave but it won't be a big one.

Can't find the tweet but it's been reported Solly and the Riders are miles apart in negotiations and Solly is now shopping elsewhere for a better deal.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 03, 2020, 10:55:44 PM
Naylor reports Argos are going to sign MBT tomorrow. Could this leave Nichols out in the cold? Hmmm. Could be interesting for old Matty boy.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2020, 11:42:24 PM
Naylor reports Argos are going to sign MBT tomorrow. Could this leave Nichols out in the cold? Hmmm. Could be interesting for old Matty boy.

I guess it depends on how much they sign MBT for, how Matt's interview went, where he is in his rehab... can they split starters salary between 2 guys? 

I'm guessing they want MBT to start... he did well enough last year,..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 03, 2020, 11:43:28 PM
Well if I were Matt I would me a tad concerned about my salary for next season.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 04, 2020, 03:10:31 AM
Solly played at a discount last year but will definitely be looking for MUCH more this year. Just as Bighill played at a discount for us, that had more to do with timing than anything else. Solly had the misfortune of becoming a FA once all the teams blew their nut already. He took a reduced salary because that was all teams could afford. Gainey will not take a discount, and we all know that Johnson was 250k last year. He might take a shave but it won't be a big one.

O?Day has his work cut out for him.

Fajardo, Judge, Marshall, Evans & Solly played on the cheap in 2019, but either got or will get a nice bump in salary in 2020.

Micah will likely have to accept a pay cut, but he may go elsewhere to do it.

Roosevelt & Gainey will probably return, but will demand a loyalty raise.

Buying a hometown Grey Cup win is going to be far more costly this time around.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 04, 2020, 06:15:38 AM
Solly was coming off a 4 game injury season last year, so he signed a dsiscount deal and put up some very good numbers.  He is due for a raise that SSK won't be able to pay, with Judge needing to move to MLB.    I'd be really interested in reuniting Team 100 (number 96 is available ;)  if it weren't for Wilson...

Solly had a great '19.  I'd put a ton of the blame on Solly for our lacklustre run game against SSK all year.  Judge is fine, but SSK will find their run defense goes to pot without Solly.  It's dumb to not re-sign him.

Yes, Wilson makes signing Solly pointless.  I'd take affordable and monster Wilson over Solly's big $$ tag.  Solly can't chase down Banks from behind... Wilson had an astounding sophmore year and I don't miss JSK at all.  Our LB corps is one of the best in the CFL, especially when Biggie is 100% again.

Naylor reports Argos are going to sign MBT tomorrow. Could this leave Nichols out in the cold? Hmmm. Could be interesting for old Matty boy.

It's the smart move, I knew they'd do it.  MBT was winning games (or getting close) with that horrible OL and RB situation.  Imagine what he can do if they get a better team?  Not sure they plan on him being the (only) #1.  Let's see what the money is... bet it's cheap!!

Nichols: it does make it more interesting and I still think we could still see Matty Ice back here as incentive-heavy backup to Zach.  If the choice is between backing up MBT in crap OL (et al) TOR or backing up (guaranteed injury) Zach in WPG, why not sign here?  No one hates Nichols, and if Zach goes down we all want to see our team still succeed.  Hell, he'd have a good chance of playing in the post-season and possible GC!  Imagine that for a storyline!!  Matty Ice winning WPG a GC filling in for injured Zach.  :)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 04, 2020, 10:50:55 AM
I can see Nichols being forced to sign for back-up pay plus incentives, but it wouldn't be in Winnipeg.

Bombers told him they are going with Zach and can't see him coming back based on pride.

Winnipeg did not want him so he will move along to another CFL team.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 12:01:54 PM
I can see Nichols being forced to sign for back-up pay plus incentives, but it wouldn't be in Winnipeg.

Bombers told him they are going with Zach and can't see him coming back based on pride.

Winnipeg did not want him so he will move along to another CFL team.

Actually KW says that conversations went well with Matty and that Matty is looking for a starting gig but that the door to him being a Bomber was not closed. This might be the best landing spot for any backup QB on an incentive laden contract.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 12:04:53 PM
Can't find the tweet but it's been reported Solly and the Riders are miles apart in negotiations and Solly is now shopping elsewhere for a better deal.

I can see that happening. He proved his health last year and won't play for peanuts again. I can see many teams offering him the 200k he deserves as an elite MLBer.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 04, 2020, 03:17:44 PM
I can see that happening. He proved his health last year and won't play for peanuts again. I can see many teams offering him the 200k he deserves as an elite MLBer.

I disagree, Solly had his day in the sun as a top earner but is now on the downside of his career moving steadily towards journeyman status and his contract should reflect that.  I'd give Bighill the same spiel the next time his contract comes up for renewal.  "Yer growing old, go stand over in that corner beside John Bowman."


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 04, 2020, 03:24:49 PM
I disagree, Solly had his day in the sun as a top earner but is now on the downside of his career moving steadily towards journeyman status and his contract should reflect that.  I'd give Bighill the same spiel the next time his contract comes up for renewal.  "Yer growing old, go stand over in that corner beside John Bowman."

One question, and I am not sure if even team managers have a full idea but....

Could the Riders not use Solly as a "fake Canadian" with the new rules and start him, or start "a CDN like Hurl as an example" and rotate he with Solly? If that is the case with this new ratio tweek he could be worth that to the Riders, would he not be. They could go with a cheaper CDN MLB as the required CDN, and rotate he and Solly with Solly being able to take a few breathers in the game and help preserve his beating, coming off an injury and not being younger could this not be almost a perfect scenario for a guy like Solly?

Or am I off base to the new rule?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 03:24:51 PM
I disagree, Solly had his day in the sun as a top earner but is now on the downside of his career moving steadily towards journeyman status and his contract should reflect that.  I'd give Bighill the same spiel the next time his contract comes up for renewal.  "Yer growing old, go stand over in that corner beside John Bowman."

Solly's numbers were top notch last year and 200k is not the payday it used to be in the CFL. At any rate whether he hits the 200k mark or not, he is due a big raise from the 140k he earned last year. If that is 180-190 that's still a big jump especially after Cam Judge just about doubled his salary as well. That's 120-150k in SMS flex the Riders lose just to retain two LBers.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 03:29:20 PM
One question, and I am not sure if even team managers have a full idea but....

Could the Riders not use Solly as a "fake Canadian" with the new rules and start him, or start "a CDN like Hurl as an example" and rotate he with Solly? If that is the case with this new ratio tweek he could be worth that to the Riders, would he not be. They could go with a cheaper CDN MLB as the required CDN, and rotate he and Solly with Solly being able to take a few breathers in the game and help preserve his beating, coming off an injury and not being younger could this not be almost a perfect scenario for a guy like Solly?

Or am I off base to the new rule?

Not off base at all. Vet players like Solly have seen their value increase for sure. Each team will need 3 high level vets or have a butt load of really good NATs. You now have 10 NAT spots (I am not 100% sure on if it is 10 or 11) and 3 of them can be taken by players who have met the conditions of league or team vet or a NAT player. If you don't have 3 vets on your team you must start 10 NATs. That makes high producing veterans valuable...or at least a little more valuable than they were a year ago.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 04, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
One question, and I am not sure if even team managers have a full idea but....

Could the Riders not use Solly as a "fake Canadian" with the new rules and start him, or start "a CDN like Hurl as an example" and rotate he with Solly? If that is the case with this new ratio tweek he could be worth that to the Riders, would he not be. They could go with a cheaper CDN MLB as the required CDN, and rotate he and Solly with Solly being able to take a few breathers in the game and help preserve his beating, coming off an injury and not being younger could this not be almost a perfect scenario for a guy like Solly?

Or am I off base to the new rule?

Sure Solly would qualify as a "fake Canadian", but to make it work Hurl would have to fake an injury, it's not about rotation it's about replacement of the starter.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sec227 on February 04, 2020, 03:30:28 PM
I can see Nichols being forced to sign for back-up pay plus incentives, but it wouldn't be in Winnipeg.

Bombers told him they are going with Zach and can't see him coming back based on pride.

Winnipeg did not want him so he will move along to another CFL team.
Agreed, I think he lands up in Ottawa as a mentor-back up with lapo.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 03:32:13 PM
Sure Solly would qualify, but to make it work Hurl would have to fake an injury, it's not about rotation it's about replacement of the starter.

Those rules have drastically changed in the new CBA. Solly can now play FT as a NAT starter under the new ratio with no need for anyone to fake an injury.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 03:34:03 PM
Agreed, I think he lands up in Ottawa as a mentor-back up with lapo.



That's quite possible, however, Winnipeg gives him the better chance to play. Either way he will have to sign a contract that only pays him more than backup salary if he starts. Winnipeg provides him the highest % chance to earn starts imo.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 04, 2020, 03:43:57 PM
I don't understand how the new rules requiring 3 designated vets or 3 extra Canadians affects the Solly situation. It enhances his value in the league, for sure, but he doesn't replace a Canadian, he just becomes an essential part of the roster with his veteran status. The alternative is the team in question finds an *extra* starting-quality Canadian.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 03:50:58 PM
I don't understand how the new rules requiring 3 designated vets or 3 extra Canadians affects the Solly situation. It enhances his value in the league, for sure, but he doesn't replace a Canadian, he just becomes an essential part of the roster with his veteran status. The alternative is the team in question finds an *extra* starting-quality Canadian.

You must start 10 NATs, 3 of them may come in the form of veteran IMP players. If you do not have any vet IMP players than you must start 10 NATs. What do you think will be cheaper and easier, signing Solly or finding a comparatively talented NAT for cheaper. I guarantee that high level vets will be in demand and lower level vets as backups will be too because fielding 8,9,10 capable NAT starters is going to be almost impossible for any team, and REALLY HARD for a team as devoid of NAT talent as the Riders.

Last year a team could say screw it, we'll recruit a young guy, now they have to give a lot of pause about throwing away a vet that still has some mileage on his tires. Especially when the Riders have vets like Roosevelt who are in even greater decline than Solly.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 04, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
Solly's numbers were top notch last year and 200k is not the payday it used to be in the CFL. At any rate whether he hits the 200k mark or not, he is due a big raise from the 140k he earned last year. If that is 180-190 that's still a big jump especially after Cam Judge just about doubled his salary as well. That's 120-150k in SMS flex the Riders lose just to retain two LBers.

Not to mention they have to pay an actual starting QB salary as well this year...something they escaped from last year....they won't have a lot of spare SMS to toss around for any high ticketed free agents when I am sure there are still a few of their own they wanna re-up...Roosevelt..Evans...Soli...Gainey..Blake..Bladek..Coleman...a punter..and to re-up them all is gonna cost them, or replace with free agents from elsewhere is gonna cost them..possibly more, and thats not to mention they have Johnson who will prob take a shave from his 250k but not a huge one..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 04, 2020, 06:03:27 PM
You must start 10 NATs, 3 of them may come in the form of veteran IMP players. If you do not have any vet IMP players than you must start 10 NATs. What do you think will be cheaper and easier, signing Solly or finding a comparatively talented NAT for cheaper. I guarantee that high level vets will be in demand and lower level vets as backups will be too because fielding 8,9,10 capable NAT starters is going to be almost impossible for any team, and REALLY HARD for a team as devoid of NAT talent as the Riders.

Last year a team could say screw it, we'll recruit a young guy, now they have to give a lot of pause about throwing away a vet that still has some mileage on his tires. Especially when the Riders have vets like Roosevelt who are in even greater decline than Solly.


Yes I understand and agree; the way the conversation was going, I thought 3rd&1.5 was trying to imply that it would be a good idea to use Solly as a backup to a Canadian (which is possible under the new designated vet rule), but am confused by that because if anything, you would think Solly would be looking for a starting role at more money than last year, not accept a lesser role and the accompanying lower salary. I just wasn't sure what 3rd&1.5 was getting at. Throw in the fact that he's a designated vet and you have a recipe for a high price tag for Solly.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 06:34:51 PM

Yes I understand and agree; the way the conversation was going, I thought 3rd&1.5 was trying to imply that it would be a good idea to use Solly as a backup to a Canadian (which is possible under the new designated vet rule), but am confused by that because if anything, you would think Solly would be looking for a starting role at more money than last year, not accept a lesser role and the accompanying lower salary. I just wasn't sure what 3rd&1.5 was getting at. Throw in the fact that he's a designated vet and you have a recipe for a high price tag for Solly.

No way Solly backs up anyone. I THINK what he was saying was use him as a vet NAT and have Hurl as a backup if he goes down. Could be wrong though.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2020, 06:38:54 PM
Not to mention they have to pay an actual starting QB salary as well this year...something they escaped from last year....they won't have a lot of spare SMS to toss around for any high ticketed free agents when I am sure there are still a few of their own they wanna re-up...Roosevelt..Evans...Soli...Gainey..Blake..Bladek..Coleman...a punter..and to re-up them all is gonna cost them, or replace with free agents from elsewhere is gonna cost them..possibly more, and thats not to mention they have Johnson who will prob take a shave from his 250k but not a huge one..

The problem with asking guys to take a shave is that you have a couple of teams in the East that are so horrid defensively that they may toss some cash around to proven guys like Micah, Solly, or even Jefferson just to get back to respectability on defence. SSK may ask guys to take a shave but realistically who in their right mind is taking a shave to stay in Regina. I actually don't mean that facetiously, although I don't mind if it's taken that way. Regina is not a hot spot for FA's no matter how much their deluded fans claim they are. It takes cash for them to sign there.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2020, 06:42:45 PM
How many teams ever had a roster that didn't have at least 3 starting Int's that would qualify as "Nats*" in the new system?  Solly has no additional value in that... nor does anyone else...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 04, 2020, 06:48:17 PM
How many teams ever had a roster that didn't have at least 3 starting Int's that would qualify as "Nats*" in the new system?  Solly has no additional value in that... nor does anyone else...

If the league is flush with americans that have been in the league for 3-4+ years, sure it makes that feature less valuable. But it is a feature none the less. My point is, it's not just that Elimimian is a vet by this definition, it's that he's also an extremely good player at a critical position. All those factors will sum to give a high asking price.

Come to think of it, good question- what is the rarity of (starting-quality) players in the CFL that meet the designated vet qualification?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on February 04, 2020, 06:50:48 PM
Guess Nichols will wait until it out until a CFL team loses their starter and is desperate for a QB. Eventually this day will come.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 04, 2020, 06:57:48 PM
If the league is flush with americans that have been in the league for 3-4+ years, sure it makes that feature less valuable. But it is a feature none the less. My point is, it's not just that Elimimian is a vet by this definition, it's that he's also an extremely good player at a critical position. All those factors will sum to give a high asking price.

Come to think of it, good question- what is the rarity of (starting-quality) players in the CFL that meet the designated vet qualification?

Well if you look at the roster from the Grey Cup game. These players would have qualified:
Nick Taylor
Adam Bighill
Willie Jefferson
Darvin Adams
Stanley Bryant
Jermarcus Hardrick





Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2020, 08:49:06 PM
Nichols, Argonauts reportedly working on a contract: https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/04/report-argos-getting-closer-securing-deal-nichols/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/04/report-argos-getting-closer-securing-deal-nichols/)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blueraid on February 04, 2020, 08:53:13 PM
Nichols, Argonauts reportedly working on a contract: https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/04/report-argos-getting-closer-securing-deal-nichols/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2020/02/04/report-argos-getting-closer-securing-deal-nichols/)

So is Matt's contract for back-up money because Bethel -Thompson has come out with a statement today saying he considers himself to be the starter...Of course that might only be till Nichols is a 100 percent???Hard to figure this one


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 04, 2020, 08:58:59 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2020, 09:14:02 PM
So is Matt's contract for back-up money because Bethel -Thompson has come out with a statement today saying he considers himself to be the starter...Of course that might only be till Nichols is a 100 percent???Hard to figure this one

Bethel-Thompson can say whatever he wants. It means absolutely nothing right now.

In any event, it'll be good for the Argos to have a proven QB tandem if Nichols does sign there, regardless of who's the starter a few months from now.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 04, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
The problem with asking guys to take a shave is that you have a couple of teams in the East that are so horrid defensively that they may toss some cash around to proven guys like Micah, Solly, or even Jefferson just to get back to respectability on defence. SSK may ask guys to take a shave but realistically who in their right mind is taking a shave to stay in Regina. I actually don't mean that facetiously, although I don't mind if it's taken that way. Regina is not a hot spot for FA's no matter how much their deluded fans claim they are. It takes cash for them to sign there.

100% agree...guys aren't gonna take a shave to stay there...and they wont have to because teams will be bidding for them...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2020, 11:01:20 PM
Bethel-Thompson can say whatever he wants. It means absolutely nothing right now.

In any event, it'll be good for the Argos to have a proven QB tandem if Nichols does sign there, regardless of who's the starter a few months from now.


Toronto will definately have 2 known QB's as starters, but we don't know how Nichols shoulder is, and we don't know what MBT will do now that teams have had a look at him for a year.  So. while they have a potentially good tandem, we have no idea if either will deliver.  And it doesn't seem like Toronto thinks either is a given, otherwise one would have got a deal like Collaros, Arbuckle, Fajardo, Adams... $400-$500k...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 05, 2020, 06:44:21 AM
Could the Riders not use Solly as a "fake Canadian" with the new rules and start him, or start "a CDN like Hurl as an example" and rotate he with Solly? If that is the case with this new ratio tweek he could be worth that to the Riders, would he not be. They could go with a cheaper CDN MLB as the required CDN, and rotate he and Solly with Solly being able to take a few breathers in the game and help preserve his beating, coming off an injury and not being younger could this not be almost a perfect scenario for a guy like Solly?

Or am I off base to the new rule?

Those rules have drastically changed in the new CBA. Solly can now play FT as a NAT starter under the new ratio with no need for anyone to fake an injury.

Looks like we need a new "FAKENAT rules" thread!  I'm nearly positive I understand it now, and you're (3rdand1.5) completely off base.

The best explanation I read was Walter's interview and the Ambrosie "come down on them like a ton of bricks" comment.  Seriously, anyone who hasn't read it should read it.

Solly could be one of the 3 "designated FAKENATs" (DEFANAT?).  So he can be one of the 3 starters that must be DEFANAT (or real NAT, but no one will do that).  Hurl can come in and sub for Solly (NATs can sub for DEFANATs).  Yes, GCn19 is sort of right, but Solly has to be 1 of the 3, not any one of the 10.

If you don't designate Solly as one of the 3, and you start Hurl at MLB, then Solly can NOT sub in for Hurl... unless Hurl is "injured".  Solly in this case would not be a DEFANAT, he would just be a FAKENAT: simply a vet without the designated status.  This is the situation that can allow teams to "cheat" with "stubbed toes" and that Ambrosie said he'd kill any abusers.

The stumbling block for me that Walters finally cleared up is there are actually two new categories, not one: FAKENATs and DEFANATs.  Any vet (of the new 3/4 rules) is instantly a FAKENAT.  But only 3 will be designated per game as the DEFANATs, and those 3 start as the "3 of 10".  Only realNATs and FAKENATs can sub in for a DEFANAT.  DIs cannot sub in for DEFANATs.  In that sense, the 3 DEFANAT guys make a coach's life more difficult, not easier, as they are more limited on who can sub in for them (no DIs), not less.

Also, I think it's completely wrong to say there are not "10 starting NATs".  Again, it's really a case of a hidden new category.  Sure, you could start 10 NATs, but no team will ever do this.  The 10 starting NATs are really the same starting 7 NATs we're used to plus 3 DEFANATs.  The only time you'll see a team go 8/2 would be under the same circumstances a couple of teams started 1 or 2 games last year with 8 NATs: injury or poor roster management.  I would be huge $$ you'll never see a team do 9/1 or 10/0 in this new scheme.  It's easier and cheaper to roster good vet IMPs (FAKENATs) than IMP-calibre NATs.

The Ambrosie threat is proof Walter's take on this is correct.  Ambrosie wouldn't have to threaten anyone if the FAKENAT replacing an injured NAT in-game wasn't a real thing.

Smart teams should coach up their realNATs on getting really good at faking injuries.  I fully expect SSK to do this.  WRs could jump in the air real high and land on an arm or something as they whiff on a catch.  Writhe in pain a bit.  Voila, you get to put Arcenaux or Roosevelt or some other great player in place of a an ELC no-name STer realNAT!  It's even easier on D, just spear someone and act all groggy: you don't even need to pull the player, wait for the spotter to do it for you!  Just make sure you whirl around and stumble and walk into team mates.  Prove it's not a real injury, Ambrosie, even if they pull it every game...

We should get right on hiring a new positional coach: Chief Injury Faker Coach.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 05, 2020, 06:51:30 AM
Bethel-Thompson can say whatever he wants. It means absolutely nothing right now.

In any event, it'll be good for the Argos to have a proven QB tandem if Nichols does sign there, regardless of who's the starter a few months from now.

If TOR hasn't improved their OL then I'd 100% start MBT over Nichols.  MBT can survive back there, Nichols can not.  And I'm Nichols #1 fan.

If Nichols is just going to be a backup, I'm so disappointed it's not here.  TOR might be making the smarter move at QB(s) than we are...

Guess Nichols will wait until it out until a CFL team loses their starter and is desperate for a QB. Eventually this day will come.

This might actually be Nichols' best bet, and he should seriously consider it.  I'd wager he'd be earning starter $$ somewhere by labor day if he just waits it out.  He'd need at least $250k guaranteed to be a backup somewhere to beat sitting out 9 games to get $500k (divided by 2).  There are so many teams now without legit backups that basically after 1 (maybe 2) QBs goes down, Nichols is da man.  WPG, SSK, CGY, BC, EDM, OTT, TOR all have no legit (i.e. proven, non-crap) backup.  And the guys that are left, well, I'd take Nichols over each and every one of them!  Patience Matty, patience...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 05, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Looks like we need a new "FAKENAT rules" thread!  I'm nearly positive I understand it now, and you're (3rdand1.5) completely off base.

The best explanation I read was Walter's interview and the Ambrosie "come down on them like a ton of bricks" comment.  Seriously, anyone who hasn't read it should read it.

Solly could be one of the 3 "designated FAKENATs" (DEFANAT?).  So he can be one of the 3 starters that must be DEFANAT (or real NAT, but no one will do that).  Hurl can come in and sub for Solly (NATs can sub for DEFANATs).  Yes, GCn19 is sort of right, but Solly has to be 1 of the 3, not any one of the 10.

If you don't designate Solly as one of the 3, and you start Hurl at MLB, then Solly can NOT sub in for Hurl... unless Hurl is "injured".  Solly in this case would not be a DEFANAT, he would just be a FAKENAT: simply a vet without the designated status.  This is the situation that can allow teams to "cheat" with "stubbed toes" and that Ambrosie said he'd kill any abusers.

The stumbling block for me that Walters finally cleared up is there are actually two new categories, not one: FAKENATs and DEFANATs.  Any vet (of the new 3/4 rules) is instantly a FAKENAT.  But only 3 will be designated per game as the DEFANATs, and those 3 start as the "3 of 10".  Only realNATs and FAKENATs can sub in for a DEFANAT.  DIs cannot sub in for DEFANATs.  In that sense, the 3 DEFANAT guys make a coach's life more difficult, not easier, as they are more limited on who can sub in for them (no DIs), not less.

Also, I think it's completely wrong to say there are not "10 starting NATs".  Again, it's really a case of a hidden new category.  Sure, you could start 10 NATs, but no team will ever do this.  The 10 starting NATs are really the same starting 7 NATs we're used to plus 3 DEFANATs.  The only time you'll see a team go 8/2 would be under the same circumstances a couple of teams started 1 or 2 games last year with 8 NATs: injury or poor roster management.  I would be huge $$ you'll never see a team do 9/1 or 10/0 in this new scheme.  It's easier and cheaper to roster good vet IMPs (FAKENATs) than IMP-calibre NATs.

The Ambrosie threat is proof Walter's take on this is correct.  Ambrosie wouldn't have to threaten anyone if the FAKENAT replacing an injured NAT in-game wasn't a real thing.

Smart teams should coach up their realNATs on getting really good at faking injuries.  I fully expect SSK to do this.  WRs could jump in the air real high and land on an arm or something as they whiff on a catch.  Writhe in pain a bit.  Voila, you get to put Arcenaux or Roosevelt or some other great player in place of a an ELC no-name STer realNAT!  It's even easier on D, just spear someone and act all groggy: you don't even need to pull the player, wait for the spotter to do it for you!  Just make sure you whirl around and stumble and walk into team mates.  Prove it's not a real injury, Ambrosie, even if they pull it every game...

We should get right on hiring a new positional coach: Chief Injury Faker Coach.


You must maintain 7 NATs in the starting lineup, injury or no injury, is what I understood.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2020, 02:14:38 PM
I would say we have 4 players I would like to see signed before Tuesday. Jefferson, Nevis, Roh, and Miles. The rest can test there value on the FA market.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 05, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Looks like we need a new "FAKENAT rules" thread!  I'm nearly positive I understand it now, and you're (3rdand1.5) completely off base.

The best explanation I read was Walter's interview and the Ambrosie "come down on them like a ton of bricks" comment.  Seriously, anyone who hasn't read it should read it.

Solly could be one of the 3 "designated FAKENATs" (DEFANAT?).  So he can be one of the 3 starters that must be DEFANAT (or real NAT, but no one will do that).  Hurl can come in and sub for Solly (NATs can sub for DEFANATs).  Yes, GCn19 is sort of right, but Solly has to be 1 of the 3, not any one of the 10.

If you don't designate Solly as one of the 3, and you start Hurl at MLB, then Solly can NOT sub in for Hurl... unless Hurl is "injured".  Solly in this case would not be a DEFANAT, he would just be a FAKENAT: simply a vet without the designated status.  This is the situation that can allow teams to "cheat" with "stubbed toes" and that Ambrosie said he'd kill any abusers.

The stumbling block for me that Walters finally cleared up is there are actually two new categories, not one: FAKENATs and DEFANATs.  Any vet (of the new 3/4 rules) is instantly a FAKENAT.  But only 3 will be designated per game as the DEFANATs, and those 3 start as the "3 of 10".  Only realNATs and FAKENATs can sub in for a DEFANAT.  DIs cannot sub in for DEFANATs.  In that sense, the 3 DEFANAT guys make a coach's life more difficult, not easier, as they are more limited on who can sub in for them (no DIs), not less.

Also, I think it's completely wrong to say there are not "10 starting NATs".  Again, it's really a case of a hidden new category.  Sure, you could start 10 NATs, but no team will ever do this.  The 10 starting NATs are really the same starting 7 NATs we're used to plus 3 DEFANATs.  The only time you'll see a team go 8/2 would be under the same circumstances a couple of teams started 1 or 2 games last year with 8 NATs: injury or poor roster management.  I would be huge $$ you'll never see a team do 9/1 or 10/0 in this new scheme.  It's easier and cheaper to roster good vet IMPs (FAKENATs) than IMP-calibre NATs.

The Ambrosie threat is proof Walter's take on this is correct.  Ambrosie wouldn't have to threaten anyone if the FAKENAT replacing an injured NAT in-game wasn't a real thing.

Smart teams should coach up their realNATs on getting really good at faking injuries.  I fully expect SSK to do this.  WRs could jump in the air real high and land on an arm or something as they whiff on a catch.  Writhe in pain a bit.  Voila, you get to put Arcenaux or Roosevelt or some other great player in place of a an ELC no-name STer realNAT!  It's even easier on D, just spear someone and act all groggy: you don't even need to pull the player, wait for the spotter to do it for you!  Just make sure you whirl around and stumble and walk into team mates.  Prove it's not a real injury, Ambrosie, even if they pull it every game...

We should get right on hiring a new positional coach: Chief Injury Faker Coach.


It's still hard to understand, and like I said I may be way off base. If the way you are describing it is true what is the point? Every team met this last year without trying did they not? In the GC as an example as someone pointed out I believe we had 5 or 6 guys that would qualify for the 3 "fakes". At any rate I guess we will see how it plays out as the season goes on.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on February 05, 2020, 03:02:01 PM
You must maintain 7 NATs in the starting lineup, injury or no injury, is what I understood.

When I read the CFLPA memo on this, it seemed to suggest that the 3 Designated Americans would be allowed to substitute for an injured Canadian starter.  While it wasn't detailed on the mechanics of how this would happen, it is consistent with what the GMs have been whining about in terms of not having enough good Canadians to replace injured starters.  That sentiment was reported several times in the run up to the final CBA.

I think it will happen through a "chain substitution", but this is speculative on my part.  So, to make up an example:  If our d-line starter is Jake Thomas and one of our designated Americans is Jeffcoat, and or American DI is McAlister.   Jake gets injured, and we have Jeffcoat "sub in" for him as a starter under this replacement provision.   McAlister can then come onto the field as a "sub" for Jeffcoat.  Alternatively, Craig Roh, as a 3 year vet, could be the sub instead of McAlister. 

Not 100% sure on this, but its the only way I can make sense of it. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 05, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
When I read the CFLPA memo on this, it seemed to suggest that the 3 Designated Americans would be allowed to substitute for an injured Canadian starter.  While it wasn't detailed on the mechanics of how this would happen, it is consistent with what the GMs have been whining about in terms of not having enough good Canadians to replace injured starters.  That sentiment was reported several times in the run up to the final CBA.

I think it will happen through a "chain substitution", but this is speculative on my part.  So, to make up an example:  If our d-line starter is Jake Thomas and one of our designated Americans is Jeffcoat, and or American DI is McAlister.   Jake gets injured, and we have Jeffcoat "sub in" for him as a starter under this replacement provision.   McAlister can then come onto the field as a "sub" for Jeffcoat.  Alternatively, Craig Roh, as a 3 year vet, could be the sub instead of McAlister. 

Not 100% sure on this, but its the only way I can make sense of it. 


This is also how I envision this working. More likely your other scenario (Roh subbing), though, since as I understand there is no limit to the number of designated vets you can have, as long as 3 are on the field (or 3 extra Nats)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 05, 2020, 03:24:46 PM
When I read the CFLPA memo on this, it seemed to suggest that the 3 Designated Americans would be allowed to substitute for an injured Canadian starter.  While it wasn't detailed on the mechanics of how this would happen, it is consistent with what the GMs have been whining about in terms of not having enough good Canadians to replace injured starters.  That sentiment was reported several times in the run up to the final CBA.

I think it will happen through a "chain substitution", but this is speculative on my part.  So, to make up an example:  If our d-line starter is Jake Thomas and one of our designated Americans is Jeffcoat, and or American DI is McAlister.   Jake gets injured, and we have Jeffcoat "sub in" for him as a starter under this replacement provision.   McAlister can then come onto the field as a "sub" for Jeffcoat.  Alternatively, Craig Roh, as a 3 year vet, could be the sub instead of McAlister. 

Not 100% sure on this, but its the only way I can make sense of it. 

Ok    well that makes it kinda murky water doesn't it. I can't imagine this provision lasting long once a couple NATs actually go down against the Riders and vet IMPs are used to replace them in game. There freaking heads will explode.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue96 on February 05, 2020, 03:52:57 PM
Argos just picked up Tommie Campbell and Natey Adjei per Instagram.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 05, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
#Regina native, punter Jon Ryan signs one-year contract extension with #Riders for the 2020 season


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 05, 2020, 04:04:15 PM
Argos actually are building a nice secondary.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 05, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
Argos actually are building a nice secondary.

Can't possibly be any worse. lol


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 05, 2020, 04:08:35 PM
Argos just picked up Tommie Campbell and Natey Adjei per Instagram.

The Argos IMO are actually putting together a decent roster (save for possibly the o-line)


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 05, 2020, 04:12:45 PM
Can't possibly be any worse. lol
Mincy, Jeff Richard's, Tommie Campbell and Shaq Richardson plus James Sample and Stanley Jean-Baptiste. Very good on paper


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 05, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
Pinball will assemble the best team he can...Argos will be competitive this year.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 05, 2020, 04:45:53 PM
When I read the CFLPA memo on this, it seemed to suggest that the 3 Designated Americans would be allowed to substitute for an injured Canadian starter.  While it wasn't detailed on the mechanics of how this would happen, it is consistent with what the GMs have been whining about in terms of not having enough good Canadians to replace injured starters.  That sentiment was reported several times in the run up to the final CBA.

I think it will happen through a "chain substitution", but this is speculative on my part.  So, to make up an example:  If our d-line starter is Jake Thomas and one of our designated Americans is Jeffcoat, and or American DI is McAlister.   Jake gets injured, and we have Jeffcoat "sub in" for him as a starter under this replacement provision.   McAlister can then come onto the field as a "sub" for Jeffcoat.  Alternatively, Craig Roh, as a 3 year vet, could be the sub instead of McAlister. 

Not 100% sure on this, but its the only way I can make sense of it. 

One downside of this rule is it decreases the opportunities for fringe Natl. starters such as Jesse Briggs and Petermann to get into games, injury replacements will now be filled by Import players whenever possible.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sec227 on February 05, 2020, 04:54:59 PM
Pinball will assemble the best team he can...Argos will be competitive this year.
Agreed. I think Ottawa still has a few more years till they are back in the hunt. And the Als are a crap shoot to see what kind of team they are this year.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 05, 2020, 05:16:22 PM
One downside of this rule is it decreases the opportunities for fringe Natl. starters such as Jesse Briggs and Petermann to get into games, injury replacements will now be filled by Import players whenever possible.

For sure. The new rule only helps train wrecks like Saskatchewan who have no NAT depth. This rule is stupid and makes very little sense. It penalizes the teams that draft and develop their NAT content well.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 05, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 05, 2020, 07:13:23 PM
For sure. The new rule only helps train wrecks like Saskatchewan who have no NAT depth. This rule is stupid and makes very little sense. It penalizes the teams that draft and develop their NAT content well.

Yes and no...you can choose to use one of the new designated Nationals in their spot, but you will still need a player to replace that guy if he leaves his position as generally these guys who meet the tenure time in the CFL generally are all going to be your starters anyway

An are though where I could see it benefiting is o-line where you could most likely roster an import back-up as he can cover both the import spot if an injury, or in our case Bryant or Hardrick could become a Canadian if one of the nationals gets hurt and the back up import comes in


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 05, 2020, 07:29:04 PM
For sure. The new rule only helps train wrecks like Saskatchewan who have no NAT depth. This rule is stupid and makes very little sense. It penalizes the teams that draft and develop their NAT content well.

Maybe I'm still not getting it. You still have to have 7 Nats on the field minimum, no? If so, it's status quo.

So if a starting Nat MLB goes down, you can fill that with a vet import MLB but another Canadian will have to displace an american elsewhere in order to get at least 7 on the field.

...Right? I'm not trying to challenge, I'm genuinely curious if I'm understanding correctly.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 05, 2020, 07:33:23 PM
Maybe I'm still not getting it. You still have to have 7 Nats on the field minimum, no? If so, it's status quo.

So if a starting Nat MLB goes down, you can fill that with a vet import MLB but another Canadian will have to displace an american elsewhere in order to get at least 7 on the field.

...Right? I'm not trying to challenge, I'm genuinely curious if I'm understanding correctly.

No Technically you don't have to replace the designated import National with a Canadian player...but...as roster work here you most likely are moving a starting Import into that national spot, but with limited numbers with the roster you may not have an extra import on the roster to fill his void...especially if he moves position on field..Teams with good depth will still have the advantage tho...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 05, 2020, 07:41:17 PM
No Technically you don't have to replace the designated import National with a Canadian player...but...as roster work here you most likely are moving a starting Import into that national spot, but with limited numbers with the roster you may not have an extra import on the roster to fill his void...especially if he moves position on field..Teams with good depth will still have the advantage tho...

But isn't it such that no matter what, in the end you still have a minimum of 7 Canadians on the field?

I suppose the challenge is then to either have enough designated vets to fill the 3 roster spots + account for possible injury, have enough extra Nats + account for injury, or some combination of these (most likely the scenario, with vets becoming a commodity)

So it's injury situation that is the issue from a planning perspective, as there is a loss in flexibility. If anything, it sounds like fringe Canadians might get more of a shot. If, for example, Lawler went down, we wouldn't have any backup american receivers who meet the designated vet criteria, and so, say, Petermann gets time on the field where he might not if Woli and Demski stay healthy.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 05, 2020, 07:46:05 PM
Bombers re-sign JFG and American DB Chris Lyles.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 05, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
Bombers re-sign JFG and American DB Chris Lyles.

John ****ing Goodman?!?!?

NICE!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on February 05, 2020, 08:40:21 PM
Bombers re-sign JFG and American DB Chris Lyles.

Feoli Gudino?  Didnt see that one coming. 

I guess Peterman is ready to start and they need depth for the new Canadian Air Force.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue newt on February 05, 2020, 08:50:29 PM
Feoli Gudino?  Didnt see that one coming. 

I guess Peterman is ready to start and they need depth for the new Canadian Air Force.

Yeah, I see it as a depth signing as well.  Will be nice to see him back in blue and gold.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 05, 2020, 09:21:56 PM
Up in Thompson right now on an ice fishing excursion at my cottage. Bombers John Rush and Thomas Miles were here with the Grey Cup. I got a pic with the Cup and a pic with these players. Miles said he has no plans on going anywhere.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jets on February 05, 2020, 11:00:02 PM
Are we starting 3 Canadian receivers now...?

Demski, Wolitarski, Petermann... still have Olivera, Harris, Augustine as starter capable backs/potentially slotbacks...

JFG as depth...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 05, 2020, 11:53:20 PM
Are we starting 3 Canadian receivers now...?

Demski, Wolitarski, Petermann... still have Olivera, Harris, Augustine as starter capable backs/potentially slotbacks...

JFG as depth...

Seriously doubt it, maybe they're looking to trade Petermann for a Natl. that can start at S. or move up in the draft to grab a specific player.  Honestly no clue.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 06, 2020, 04:02:32 AM
It's still hard to understand, and like I said I may be way off base. If the way you are describing it is true what is the point? Every team met this last year without trying did they not?

Yes... what is the point?  Ask Ambrosie.  It would sure be a lot better if that pie-in-the-sky guy would tell us the "plan" or the "whys" of all his crazy new rules.  What are we trying to achieve overall with all this complication?  We're just left to guess...

Yes, as for starting, I bet every team met the roster rules.  However, for DI's and replacements/subbing, I bet they did not.

I really think the biggest result of this is you can't sub a DI in for a DEFANAT, well, unless that DI is himself a FAKENAT (but not a DEFANAT).  That means that you need to have enough FAKENATs and NATs on the roster to fill in for *real* injured DEFANATs.  This should have teams roster more vet Americans.  So it's a win for them.

When I read the CFLPA memo on this, it seemed to suggest that the 3 Designated Americans would be allowed to substitute for an injured Canadian starter.

No.  Any FAKENAT (and teams will have more than 3) can sub in for an injured NAT!  This is a fact, as it's precisely this point that KW worried about being abused, and precisely this point that Ambrosie threatened the wrath of God on.

The magic 3 number just has to do with the 7/10 magic numbers.  3 of your FAKENATs will be special DEFANATs you designated for each game.  And those 3 spots must remain filled with either DEFANATs or NATs; or I suppose, if injured, any FAKENAT.  KW's examples explained this pretty well.

The league has done a complete crap job explaining all of this.  It's pitiful.

I think it will happen through a "chain substitution", but this is speculative on my part.  So, to make up an example:  If our d-line starter is Jake Thomas and one of our designated Americans is Jeffcoat, and or American DI is McAlister.   Jake gets injured, and we have Jeffcoat "sub in" for him as a starter under this replacement provision.   McAlister can then come onto the field as a "sub" for Jeffcoat.  Alternatively, Craig Roh, as a 3 year vet, could be the sub instead of McAlister. 

The "chain substitution" is an interesting point.  I'm not positive how they'll handle that, but I'm pretty sure it'll work just like it did with the previous 7-NAT rule.  For instance, the crazy subbing we did changing our Thomas/Kongbo and sometimes Jones#0 as DB will probably still be allowed, it'll just get even more complicated now.  Heaven help the ref or spotter whose job it is to keep track of all this every snap!!  Hell, heaven help MOS's asst he puts in charge of keep this all straight.  Someone is going to screw up...

This is also how I envision this working. More likely your other scenario (Roh subbing), though, since as I understand there is no limit to the number of designated vets you can have, as long as 3 are on the field (or 3 extra Nats)

Nope.  It's 2 new classes: the designated 3 (DEFANATs) and all the other vet-qualifying FAKENATs.  But you are correct in one respect, there is no limit to the quantity of FAKENATs.  Heck, you could have every American on your roster be an old fogey FAKENAT.  But only 3 will be the magic starters for the new 3+7=10 ratio.

One downside of this rule is it decreases the opportunities for fringe Natl. starters such as Jesse Briggs and Petermann to get into games, injury replacements will now be filled by Import players whenever possible.

This is possibly true.  I guess it may boil down to who is more expensive and who you roster more of.  You still have the max number of IMPs on the AR.  It may turn out your backup NAT WR is better than your 34y.o. IMP WR... KW already said it makes picking and optimizing rosters way harder.

Yes and no...you can choose to use one of the new designated Nationals in their spot, but you will still need a player to replace that guy if he leaves his position as generally these guys who meet the tenure time in the CFL generally are all going to be your starters anyway

Yes.  However, let's say you had Adams starting as 1 of 3 DEFANAT.  Your ELC and <3 year development guys cannot sub in for him nor come in if Adams is injured.  That could mean you hire someone like Arcenaux, Bowman or Matthews just to sit around to come in for Adams.  Assuming you think those has-beens would be better than Petermann...

So this could increase the hiring of lower-priced aged vets, and that could be the "why" to the whole thing.

An are though where I could see it benefiting is o-line where you could most likely roster an import back-up as he can cover both the import spot if an injury, or in our case Bryant or Hardrick could become a Canadian if one of the nationals gets hurt and the back up import comes in

KW made a similar point, but it's backwards to yours.  Under these new rules, you'd have your 2 DEFANAT OL starters (Hardrick/Bryant) and you'd have a realNAT backing them up.  And that's precisely what we do already so in that sense WFC is already 2/3rds covered in complying with the new rule!

If anything, this makes carrying a backup IMP OL near impossible... unless that IMP OL is a FAKENAT (new 3/4-year rule).  So forget about development IMP OL guys!

Maybe I'm still not getting it. You still have to have 7 Nats on the field minimum, no? If so, it's status quo.

Yes, 7 realNATs on the field minimum.  The 10 is really a misnomer and the whole thing is badly worded.

So if a starting Nat MLB goes down, you can fill that with a vet import MLB but another Canadian will have to displace an american elsewhere in order to get at least 7 on the field.

You almost got it!!  Just delete your "displace" qualifier.  If your NAT MLB goes down, you can fill in his spot with any of the (probably 5-10) FAKENATs (not even DEFANATs!) you have.  You don't need to displace anyone or bring in another NAT anywhere! That's the "abuse" possibility.

Hell, this insanity alone will probably entice Chris Jones back to the CFL!  He'll find a way to field 12 Americans on the field at all times!  On both sides of the ball!

But isn't it such that no matter what, in the end you still have a minimum of 7 Canadians on the field?

No.  You start with 7 starting NATs.  But if 1 of those 7 gets injured, you start subbing in FAKENATs.  You could end the game with 0 realNATs on the field!  I'd love to see Ambrosie's head pop off then!  If you always still had 7 NATs on the field, there'd be no room for abuse and no one would be complaining at all and Ambrosie wouldn't have had to threaten the HC's like he did.

I suppose the challenge is then to either have enough designated vets to fill the 3 roster spots + account for possible injury, have enough extra Nats + account for injury, or some combination of these (most likely the scenario, with vets becoming a commodity)

But they fill-in guys won't be "designated" (DEFANATs).  Only the 3 starters are "designated".  All the other vet IMPs are just undesignated FAKENATs (UDEFANATs??).

This is the same stumbling block I had... only 3 are designated.   Only 3!  No others are "designated".

So it's injury situation that is the issue from a planning perspective, as there is a loss in flexibility. If anything, it sounds like fringe Canadians might get more of a shot. If, for example, Lawler went down, we wouldn't have any backup american receivers who meet the designated vet criteria, and so, say, Petermann gets time on the field where he might not if Woli and Demski stay healthy.

Lawler is a bad example.  For all of this FAKENAT craziness, just ignore all the young Americans.  None of these new rules apply to any of the young American spots (like Lawler).  This only applies to the 3-4 year guys.  You can still sub in a NAT anywhere on the field for anyone, so Petermann could sub in for Lawler, but this is the same as last year.  You can also sub in a DI for a young IMP.  You cannot sub in a FAKENAT for a young IMP.

You are 100% right that "there is a loss in flexibility", but only for those 3 new starting positions.

Phew!

In the end, I think KW is right and we'll play these new rules without really any change to what we were doing anyhow.  2 of your 3 DEFANATs are OL, sub in a NAT if they get hurt.  Maybe make Adams your 3rd of 3 DEFANATs.  Adams gets hurt you put in Petermann.  Before you might have put in Grant, but now you wouldn't be able to.  Or, if we go all-IMP D, make your 3rd of 3 your weakest DB.  If your DEFANAT DB gets injured, you put in your NAT (Hecht or Jones#0) at FS and shuffle the spots around if you need to.

The only reason you'd plan something new and crazy is if you wanted to abuse the new rules.  You could hire the cheapest junkiest NATs for ELC and find a way to fake injuring them early every game.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 06, 2020, 04:04:47 AM
Are we starting 3 Canadian receivers now...?

Demski, Wolitarski, Petermann... still have Olivera, Harris, Augustine as starter capable backs/potentially slotbacks...

JFG as depth...

That is the best theory yet!  Bringing JFG in when we are stacked at NAT WR is puzzling unless we plan on starting 3 NAT WR.  If we can't sneak 1 onto the D, it'll have to be on the O.  It could also signal we are designating a WR (Adams probably) a DEFANAT, as we'd have no other FAKENAT to sub in for him if injured and thus would want some more spare NATs.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 06, 2020, 10:35:15 AM
Could be Adams will take one of those NAT spots. Gotta re-sign him first though.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sec223 on February 06, 2020, 11:59:18 AM
What happens if teams go all in on FAKENATS and then the rules change back ?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 06, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
What happens if teams go all in on FAKENATS and then the rules change back ?

If they change the rules it is unlikely to be until the end of the season. Contract aren't guaranteed.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 06, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
Could be Adams will take one of those NAT spots. Gotta re-sign him first though.

I?m starting to wonder if the BB go after Juwan Brescacin. Big body NAT receiver with starter potential that can play inside or outside.

Lawler & Bailey @ boundary w/Grant as backup.

Demski, Woli & Brescacin @ field side w/Petermann & JFG the backups.

Utilizes all 7 NATs on O, and no big $$ paid out for a receiver, and push the money to the defensive side of the ball...ie, Willie


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 06, 2020, 03:26:09 PM
I?m starting to wonder if the BB go after Juwan Brescacin. Big body NAT receiver with starter potential that can play inside or outside.

Lawler & Bailey @ boundary w/Grant as backup.

Demski, Woli & Brescacin @ field side w/Petermann & JFG the backups.

Utilizes all 7 NATs on O, and no big $$ paid out for a receiver, and push the money to the defensive side of the ball...ie, Willie

TBH, I'd rather start Petermann.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 06, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
TBH, I'd rather start Petermann.

So then you start Petermann, and rotate Brescacin thru SB & wide-out. His size would come in handy on designed run plays.

Either way, starting 3 NATs on O isn?t as far fetched as some would think. With the personnel we have on O, Buck will continue to lean heavily on our bread & butter...the run game.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 06, 2020, 04:13:07 PM
I?m starting to wonder if the BB go after Juwan Brescacin. Big body NAT receiver with starter potential that can play inside or outside.

Lawler & Bailey @ boundary w/Grant as backup.

Demski, Woli & Brescacin @ field side w/Petermann & JFG the backups.

Utilizes all 7 NATs on O, and no big $$ paid out for a receiver, and push the money to the defensive side of the ball...ie, Willie

Or possibly they have a line on TJ Jones and are going that route as the free-agent wr signee...so having 2 national back-ups behind 3 starters would be the smart thing


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 06, 2020, 04:23:49 PM
Yes... what is the point?  Ask Ambrosie.  It would sure be a lot better if that pie-in-the-sky guy would tell us the "plan" or the "whys" of all his crazy new rules.  What are we trying to achieve overall with all this complication?  We're just left to guess...

Just going to address the possible reasoning behind the changes and leave the rest, the CFLPA leadership group is over-represented by Natl. O-lineman and more recently by a vet. Import contingent, these groups have equal voices but both want to see their bargaining points recognized and addressed.  The O-line group is sitting pretty, they're well paid and reasonably secure thanks to the existing ratio rules, the vet. Imports do not have the same security and often see their "brothers" cut and replaced by younger cheaper Imports on cut down day.  I believe these new alterations are simply concessions to appease the loudest voice in the negotiating room in order to get them to sign on.  It's not perfect but compromise rarely is.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 06, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
Or possibly they have a line on TJ Jones and are going that route as the free-agent wr signee...so having 2 national back-ups behind 3 starters would be the smart thing

TJ Jones is an intriguing possibility.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 06, 2020, 04:48:12 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 06, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
No.  You start with 7 starting NATs.  But if 1 of those 7 gets injured, you start subbing in FAKENATs.  You could end the game with 0 realNATs on the field!  I'd love to see Ambrosie's head pop off then!  If you always still had 7 NATs on the field, there'd be no room for abuse and no one would be complaining at all and Ambrosie wouldn't have had to threaten the HC's like he did.

You had a non-cavalier response as usual Tecno, lol, but I will just respond to this one snippet because it's the tell-all.

Are you sure about this? It doesn't make sense and would ruin the ratio and be abused....I guess that's everyone's concern, but I just don't understand if that's absolutely the case.

It would make far more sense to have to start seven "real Nats" and three 3/4 yr vets (or 3 more real Nats), and then if one gets injured, replace them with another real Nat, another 3/4 yr vet, or an American non-vet but then displace another American non-vet for another real Nat or 3/4 yr vet.

The rules should (but maybe don't?) ensure there are both min seven Nats playing and min 3 3/4 yr vets (or other real Nats) playing. It would also be ridiculous to allow only three of these 3/4 yr vets to be the designated vets in a game, because teams who employ more longer tenured vets should be rewarded with roster flexibility, just as teams with a wealth of Nats should be rewarded with flexibility.

The core concept of this rule change, I thought, was to add protection and incentive for American players to be coveted, rewarded, and have staying power, just like we do with Nats, to slow down the instant slashing of loyal players for cheap young talent to an extent. They shouldn't come at the expense of one another.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 06, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Or possibly they have a line on TJ Jones and are going that route as the free-agent wr signee...so having 2 national back-ups behind 3 starters would be the smart thing

I forgot about him, but definitely another option...and Winnipeg born!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 07, 2020, 07:57:22 AM
Are you sure about this? It doesn't make sense and would ruin the ratio and be abused....I guess that's everyone's concern, but I just don't understand if that's absolutely the case.

Here's a source to ponder:
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/cfl-nfl-window-situation-still-not-resolved-but-there-are-ongoing-talks-between-two-leagues

It's pretty black and white in that article:
"If a Canadian player gets hurt during a game, teams will be allowed to sub in a nationalized American in his place."
-- Wyman

Of course, Wyman may be wrong, but I've seen snippets from KW and the CFL that basically say the same thing.  Note, a "nationalized American" (my FAKENAT) doesn't have to be "designated" (my DEFANAT), it can be any of the Americans who fit the new 3/4-year qualification.

Further:
"There is already much speculation that teams will try to manipulate the new rules, faking injuries in order to get more Americans on the field, but Walters said that was addressed on Wednesday."
- Wyman

"That will be on the league to monitor and I assure you, for the integrity of the game, it was stressed by (Commissioner) Randy (Ambrosie) that that won't be accepted. That sort of behaviour and tactics will not be tolerated."
- Walters

I don't 100% trust Wyman to get it right, but I do trust KW 100% to get it right.  There's a better KW article out there that this Wyman article is based on, but I can't see to find the right google-fu at the moment.

If there wasn't a way to abuse it to replace NATs with IMPs, no one, especially KW and Ambrosie, would be mentioning any of these things!

It would make far more sense to have to start seven "real Nats" and three 3/4 yr vets (or 3 more real Nats), and then if one gets injured, replace them with another real Nat, another 3/4 yr vet[...]

That is precisely the case.  You have gotten it 100% correct right there, as long as your "them" means both "NAT and DEFENAT".

or an American non-vet but then displace another American non-vet for another real Nat or 3/4 yr vet.

I'm pretty sure this is also the case.  Just as before (with 7 NATs), you can shuffle the NAT/DEFENATs around if you want to, as long as you always have 7NAT + 3DEFENAT.  The "new bit" is what happens on injury... you can put a FAKENAT in for one of the 7 NATs.

I'd say forget about the subbing and shuffling, it only complicates the scenario.  The shuffling should/will continue as it always has, and you can always go over the 7 NAT requirement and field 8 or 12 realNATs if you really want to.  Just like before, the big thing will be do you have that magic minimum 10 on field at all times, plus the new injury rules.

The rules should (but maybe don't?) ensure there are both min seven Nats playing and min 3 3/4 yr vets (or other real Nats) playing. It would also be ridiculous to allow only three of these 3/4 yr vets to be the designated vets in a game, because teams who employ more longer tenured vets should be rewarded with roster flexibility, just as teams with a wealth of Nats should be rewarded with flexibility.

You're not reading what I said about 2 (TWO!!) new classes: all the 3/4-year vets are magically in the new FAKENAT class.  They don't have to be designated anything.  They just become FAKENATs by simply being 3/4-year vets.  You pick a subset of of those FAKENATs, 3 players you designate each game to be the DEFANAT.  Those are the "starting 3" or "always-on-the-field 3".  Those 3 spots must then always be NAT or DEFANAT if none are injured.  Upon injury to any of those 10, you can sub in any FAKENAT.  But no young-IMPs or DIs.

Yes, you can shuffle the positions around, sub in, whatever, but you must maintain the 7+3 just as you used to have to maintain the 7.

The core concept of this rule change, I thought, was to add protection and incentive for American players to be coveted, rewarded, and have staying power, just like we do with Nats, to slow down the instant slashing of loyal players for cheap young talent to an extent. They shouldn't come at the expense of one another.

Wyman says something similar in that article.  And it does, because every team MUST keep around 3 3/4-year vets.  Before a team could have gone all-ELC IMP if they wanted to.  Of course, it's all very silly because every team already has/had 3 3/4-vets on the field all the time anyhow.

But now you have to account for injuries and the fact you can get more IMPs on the field if a NAT gets injured.  If you signed more good, but not great, IMP vets at oft-injured positions and dressed them as your DIs, then as your NATs get injured you can put in more FAKENATs, and thus have less than 7 real Canadians on the field.  Ok, so perhaps you'll never fake-injure yourself to 0 NATs (only 4 DIs), but you could whittle it down to 3!

Interestingly, this makes keeping someone like Chris Matthews around more attractive instead of dropping him for young Lucky and Grant (like we did).  Matthews could have come in the few times Demski and Woli got injured in-game.  It also might make a vet IMP RB more attractive for us (a NAT RB team), as you could sub in a Sutton or Madu if AH33 gets injured.  Of course, that only helps you that game... the next week you'd have to drag the injured AH33 out on field for 1 play to get re-injured so you could put the IMP RB back in...

Not to sound "cavalier" again, I really am just trying to help because it blew my brains until I grokked it, but you basically have it figured out except for the subbing convolution which is neither here nor there, and the fact there's really 2 new classes being created here.

There is one tiny point I'm not positive on but am pretty sure because it's the only thing that makes sense: that a realNAT can sub in for a DEFANAT (injured or not).  Based on historical CFL ratios, you always can put in an extra NAT anywhere, so I don't see why they'd make it so only FAKENATs could sub in for DEFANAT...  But I haven't seen it written in stone yet.  God help us if Ambrosie has made it so only FAKENATs can fill in for DEFANATs!  That would put FAKENATs at a big premium and you'd definitely dress more vets as DIs.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TBURGESS on February 07, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
In an effort to understand, I read Tecs's source. It has a bit of what he's saying, but not all of it.

There are now Nationalized Americans (3/4 Years, NA's from now on) who can come on for anyone who gets injured (NI or IMP).
Injuries can happen in game or in warm-up after the roster is set, so you could replace an injured NI with an NA even before the game starts.

Then I read: https://3downnation.com/2020/01/08/cflpa-sends-memo-to-players-detailing-changes-to-cba/

Quote
Teams will be eligible to name as National Starters a maximum of three (3) Players per game who have become National Players by virtue of the Amended definition of National, i.e. Americans who have played with the same C.F.L. team for three (3) consecutive years or who have played four (4) years in the C.F.L. These three (3) players only apply to the starter ratio, and not to the roster allocation.

In the event of a game injury to any of the Club?s ten (10) National Starters, the injured player(s) can be replaced by either a National or any other American on the roster who qualifies under the Amended definition of National above.

You can replace an NA with another NA or with an NI, so you don't need to carry backup NA's for each NA starter. For example: You could designate both OT's as NA's and back them up with another NA. That player would also be able to back up the NAT OL. You could simply carry a backup NI OL who would serve the same purpose.

One thing that no one has mentioned yet... Backup NA's are also DI's. They can replace any import.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 07, 2020, 08:04:12 PM
So...hypothetically speaking if we played Sask. again in the West final (based on 2019 roster);
Hecht could get injured with a "tweaked ankle" in warm-up and Alexander/Fenner could fill in
Thomas could go down with a "badly bruised rib" in the 1st series and Nevis could go in
We could start Neufeld at RT and in the 3rd series he has a "bad back spasm" and Hardrick (who was dressed but not a designated starter) goes in in his place

These fake nat's all meet criteria and my understanding of the rules is they qualify, so this would be allowed? Essentaily putting the best roster we can on the field within the rules (Chris Jones style bending) and it would be allowed. Possibly after the game and after our expected victory with that roster Ambrosie "could" threaten the "wrath of god" but by then we are in the cup and it's a moot point....Did I get that correct?

If so IT WILL be abused!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 07, 2020, 09:53:27 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed receiver Shaq Evans to a one-year contract extension through the 2020 season.

Evans recorded 72 catches for a team-leading 1,334 yards and five touchdowns last year. His first 1,000-yard season while displaying the potential to be a long-term No. 1 target in the CFL.

He was a pending free agent but prior to leaving Regina after the season was over, Evans met face-to-face with Riders' general manager Jeremy O'Day.

The @shaq_evans1 deal is in the 175-200K range, depending on bonuses achieved.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 07, 2020, 11:45:06 PM
CFL Retweeted
Toronto Argonauts
@TorontoArgos
45m
Also released:

DL Linden Gaydosh
WR Jimmy Ralph
K/P Zack Medeiros
QB James Franklin
QB Dakota Prukop
DB Trumaine Washington
RB Chris Rainey
DB Kevin Fogg
DB Jonathan Mincy
 K/P Donald De La Haye


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 08, 2020, 12:03:53 AM
CFL Retweeted
Toronto Argonauts
@TorontoArgos
45m
Also released:

DL Linden Gaydosh
WR Jimmy Ralph
K/P Zack Medeiros
QB James Franklin
QB Dakota Prukop
DB Trumaine Washington
RB Chris Rainey
DB Kevin Fogg
DB Jonathan Mincy
 K/P Donald De La Haye
No
Maybe
No
No
Maybe
No
No
Yes
No


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 08, 2020, 12:10:27 AM
CFL Retweeted
Toronto Argonauts
@TorontoArgos
45m
Also released:

DL Linden Gaydosh
WR Jimmy Ralph
K/P Zack Medeiros
QB James Franklin
QB Dakota Prukop
DB Trumaine Washington
RB Chris Rainey
DB Kevin Fogg
DB Jonathan Mincy
 K/P Donald De La Haye

And Tyler Holmes and Sean McEwen


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue girl on February 08, 2020, 12:44:54 AM
CFL Retweeted
Toronto Argonauts
@TorontoArgos
45m
Also released:

DL Linden Gaydosh
WR Jimmy Ralph
K/P Zack Medeiros
QB James Franklin
QB Dakota Prukop
DB Trumaine Washington
RB Chris Rainey
DB Kevin Fogg
DB Jonathan Mincy
 K/P Donald De La Haye
I'd go after Mincy. The rest no.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 08, 2020, 01:14:48 AM
I'd go after Mincy. The rest no.
same


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 08, 2020, 07:21:05 AM
In an effort to understand, I read Tecs's source. It has a bit of what he's saying, but not all of it.

There are now Nationalized Americans (3/4 Years, NA's from now on) who can come on for anyone who gets injured (NI or IMP).
Injuries can happen in game or in warm-up after the roster is set, so you could replace an injured NI with an NA even before the game starts.

Then I read: https://3downnation.com/2020/01/08/cflpa-sends-memo-to-players-detailing-changes-to-cba/

You can replace an NA with another NA or with an NI, so you don't need to carry backup NA's for each NA starter. For example: You could designate both OT's as NA's and back them up with another NA. That player would also be able to back up the NAT OL. You could simply carry a backup NI OL who would serve the same purpose.

One thing that no one has mentioned yet... Backup NA's are also DI's. They can replace any import.

You are 100% correct on all points.  The "NAs" (FAKENATs) who you dress as DIs can essentially sub in for anyone.  That's the same as realNATs.  Yes, injury can be pregame.

Yes, you don't need backups for every (or even any) DEFANATs ("DNAs" by your terms).  However, since IMPs are almost always better than NATs, and especially if you have an eye towards cheating, you will want DEFANATs (and realNATs) to always be replaced by a vet IMP (NA/FAKENAT) when possible.  I think aging vet IMPs will be kept around as DIs longer under these new rules... Guys like Wild, Arcenaux, Matthews, just became a lot more useful.

I mentioned DI's quite a bit, just use the "highlight all" search function with "DI" in your browser and look at my post.  It did become more clear to me as I went on that your FAKENATs should be DIs for optimal IMP-stacking.  If your DIs are ELC IMPs you lose all of this flexibility.  So if it's me, even without a mind towards cheating, I'm "starting" all my ELC/young IMPs and DI'ing all of my vet FAKENATs (excluding the 3 DEFANATs that must start, of course).

So...hypothetically speaking if we played Sask. again in the West final (based on 2019 roster);
Hecht could get injured with a "tweaked ankle" in warm-up and Alexander/Fenner could fill in
Thomas could go down with a "badly bruised rib" in the 1st series and Nevis could go in
We could start Neufeld at RT and in the 3rd series he has a "bad back spasm" and Hardrick (who was dressed but not a designated starter) goes in in his place


These fake nat's all meet criteria and my understanding of the rules is they qualify, so this would be allowed? Essentaily putting the best roster we can on the field within the rules (Chris Jones style bending) and it would be allowed. Possibly after the game and after our expected victory with that roster Ambrosie "could" threaten the "wrath of god" but by then we are in the cup and it's a moot point....Did I get that correct?

If so IT WILL be abused!

Yes yes and yes!  You nailed it.  Now you see the major problem and why Ambrosie has to resort to threats.  He has set up what might result in an untenable and laughable situation.

Like your example, can you imagine the 2020 GC and we roster Hecht at FS who then does a convincing "oblique injury" in warm-up and we get to play Alexander (who we DI'd) at FS and have only 6 Canadians on the field all game?!?!  Can you imagine?  Or SSK is in the GC (God forbid) and Hurl is dressed at MLB and gets hurt and Solly comes in and plays the whole game?  Imagine if a team does this for 2 players in that GC!?

Maybe Ambrosie can punish and chastise during the regular season... but what do you do after those shenanigans in the GC??  Is he going to take their GC away??  The pressure to exploit this is going to be insane, even if just for that one game.

Paging Chris Jones, where is Chris Jones...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2020, 04:27:18 PM
The Calgary Stampeders have signed national offensive lineman and Calgary native Sean McEwen to a two-year contract.

The 26-year-old was one of 12 players the Argos released on Friday, ahead of free agency opening on Tuesday, Feb. 11 at noon ET.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2020, 04:29:08 PM
Farhan Lalji

@FarhanLaljiTSN
Hearing #BCLions are making a strong push to sign DE Micah Johnson & that there is mutual interest.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Blue72 on February 09, 2020, 02:55:28 PM
Does anyone know if the bombers brought in anyone to talk to or were in contact anyone last week?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
I'm guessing that the "negotiation period" quickly revealed to the Argos who was jumping ship, so they released those players they knew they couldn't resign.  Kinda smart, lets them concentrate on those they can, and lets these players fill spots elsewhere early, making competition for who's left easier.

Still don't understand what they are going to do for an Oline..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ichabod_crane on February 09, 2020, 10:11:16 PM
I'm guessing that the "negotiation period" quickly revealed to the Argos who was jumping ship, so they released those players they knew they couldn't resign.  Kinda smart, lets them concentrate on those they can, and lets these players fill spots elsewhere early, making competition for who's left easier.

Still don't understand what they are going to do for an Oline..

Maybe they are targeting Couture and other OL's in the FA market. They have a couple first round draft picks as well (one from the Bombers) to pick anyone good in the draft class.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
Maybe they are targeting Couture and other OL's in the FA market. They have a couple first round draft picks as well (one from the Bombers) to pick anyone good in the draft class.

It's looking more and more likely that Couture heads home to BC I think.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 4everalonghair on February 10, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
It's looking more and more likely that Couture heads home to BC I think.

He just signed a two year extension.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 10, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
He just signed a two year extension.
Literally makes 0 sense.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
yeah...not sure why as we have too many guys now for available spots, though competition and depth is never a bad thing..and he has become a very good center so maybe they never planned to have Speller there longterm


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 10, 2020, 01:46:58 PM
Literally makes 0 sense.

The guy is a young Canadian who started at centre for all of 2019 and opened some great holes for Harris.  Why would you not want to lock him up for multiple years?

This is a great signing. 

Continuity on the o-line isn't a bad thing either. You guys are over thinking this if you think this isn't a great move. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2020, 01:49:10 PM
https://3downnation.com/2020/02/10/bombers-re-sign-canadian-ol-michael-couture-to-two-year-contract/ (https://3downnation.com/2020/02/10/bombers-re-sign-canadian-ol-michael-couture-to-two-year-contract/)

Fantastic news! Walters is killing it so far this off-season.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 01:52:05 PM
The guy is a young Canadian who started at centre for all of 2019 and opened some great holes for Harris.  Why would you not want to lock him up for multiple years?

This is a great signing. 

Continuity on the o-line isn't a bad thing either. You guys are over thinking this if you think this isn't a great move. 

Not over thinking but you have to wonder what you do with basically 5 starting caliber Nationals (Gray/Couture/Speller/Neufeld/Desjarlais) and Eli who may push this year, but is most likely heir apparent at center eventually vying for 3 spots, and one back-up...quite a log jam tho not a bad thing. Someone is gonna have to be let go for nothing..can't keep em all


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 10, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
Not over thinking but you have to wonder what you do with basically 5 starting caliber Nationals (Gray/Couture/Speller/Neufeld/Desjarlais) and Eli who may push this year, but is most likely heir apparent at center eventually vying for 3 spots, and one back-up...quite a log jam tho not a bad thing. Someone is gonna have to be let go for nothing..can't keep em all

We do not have a 1st round pick, could be trade bait.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 01:59:21 PM
Saw somewhere that zero offers were tendered to the league office during the tampering window...

So, sure, it works for the players, but zero advantage for incumbent teams.  Players could allege they received offers and quote any numbers they want, with no verification.

Pretty sure this was NOT the intent of this window.  


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 10, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
Not over thinking but you have to wonder what you do with basically 5 starting caliber Nationals (Gray/Couture/Speller/Neufeld/Desjarlais) and Eli who may push this year, but is most likely heir apparent at center eventually vying for 3 spots, and one back-up...quite a log jam tho not a bad thing. Someone is gonna have to be let go for nothing..can't keep em all

I think Gray may be on the bubble ...someone will always get dinged up too.

This team needs a strong o-line and I think we have one of the best in the CFL.  starts and stops with the big men up front!!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 02:06:04 PM
I think Gray may be on the bubble ...someone will always get dinged up too.

This team needs a strong o-line and I think we have one of the best in the CFL.  starts and stops with the big men up front!!
We have by far the best...without question...and most depth as well. Gray I don't see moved..way too much potential...most likely if one is moved it's Speller...showed he is starter caliber at both guard and center, and is on a very nice entry level contract, so would be easy to move a a who can start making a small sms hit


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 02:07:21 PM
Huge to have this kind of quality depth.

Eli is on an ELC, great to have him on the team.  If he continues to improve, he will probably take an NFL window.  By the time he exhausts that (if he does), you can bet we will need him back.  

Couture/Speller keeps solid OC depth.  Does any team have that kind of depth? (can't believe BC didn't step up big on him, he is every bit as valuable as Chungh...

We are going to end up with a decision if no one gets injured.  Bryant/Dejarlais/Couture/Neufeld/Hardirck - Speller 6th is unreal... Eli on the IR... or do you flip Speller, Neufeld and Gray?  

Buck/Collaros must be having a party right now...



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2020, 02:07:31 PM
Ti-Cats just announced Davis re-signed with them. I have to think this means they're out on Jefferson.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 02:08:52 PM
Ti-Cats just announced Davis re-signed with them. I have to think this means they're out on Jefferson.

Many reports saying they are not mutually exclusive, in fact they were selling Willie on being able to bookend with him...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 10, 2020, 02:16:34 PM
The guy is a young Canadian who started at centre for all of 2019 and opened some great holes for Harris.  Why would you not want to lock him up for multiple years?

This is a great signing. 

Continuity on the o-line isn't a bad thing either. You guys are over thinking this if you think this isn't a great move. 
Because Speller was at an all-star calibre for most likely much cheaper during our GC run? Because we have a logjam at OL?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 02:19:08 PM
Many reports saying they are not mutually exclusive, in fact they were selling Willie on being able to bookend with him...

I think that is B.S to be honest...230K for Davis...Laurent was at just over 200k...Lawrence is gotta be being paid...Howser re-upped for more money, and they say Willie will fit in there at 250k+????? Thats probably close to 1 million for 5 guys...a fifth of your sms basically and with Banks making 185k and needing to either re-up Taske, and replace Addison on offence...can't see it happening


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 10, 2020, 02:19:41 PM
Colour me surprised on Couture. Not that I don't want him, but there are limited spots and the term "embarrassment of riches" applies 100% regarding our Nat OL talent. I was equally surprised when we re-upped Paddy late last year as I thought the price tag and roster spot for both he and Couture would make them automatic lame ducks with how well our depth showed.

Oh well, a great problem to have.

Our interior is:
LG - C - RG
Desjarlais - Couture - Neufeld
Speller - Eli - Gray

A great starter + starter-quality backup for each position. Wow.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 10, 2020, 02:21:12 PM
I think that is B.S to be honest...230K for Davis...Laurent was at just over 200k...Lawrence is gotta be being paid...Howser re-upped for more money, and they say Willie will fit in there at 250k+????? Thats probably close to 1 million for 5 guys...a fifth of your sms basically and with Banks making 185k and needing to either re-up Taske, and replace Addison on offence...can't see it happening

May have been possible if they were rolling with Evans but they are paying a starting QB in Masoli + didn't Evans get a favourable re-neg after his performance?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 10, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
I think that is B.S to be honest...230K for Davis...Laurent was at just over 200k...Lawrence is gotta be being paid...Howser re-upped for more money, and they say Willie will fit in there at 250k+????? Thats probably close to 1 million for 5 guys...a fifth of your sms basically and with Banks making 185k and needing to either re-up Taske, and replace Addison on offence...can't see it happening

Hammy has to be pushing close to the cap. They have a lot of big ticket players.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 02:23:53 PM
Colour me surprised on Couture. Not that I don't want him, but there are limited spots and the term "embarrassment of riches" applies 100% regarding our Nat OL talent. I was equally surprised when we re-upped Paddy late last year as I thought the price tag and roster spot for both he and Couture would make them automatic lame ducks with how well our depth showed.

Oh well, a great problem to have.

Our interior is:
LG - C - RG
Desjarlais - Couture - Neufeld
Speller - Eli - Gray

A great starter + starter-quality backup for each position. Wow.

well when guys are signing here for less than market value. or what other teams offer it really helps in re-upping key cogs and make it all work.....something that has to annoy rival GM's

Gotta give major props to the Mafia for totally changing how this organization is perceived in the eyes of players


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 10, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
Colour me surprised on Couture. Not that I don't want him, but there are limited spots and the term "embarrassment of riches" applies 100% regarding our Nat OL talent. I was equally surprised when we re-upped Paddy late last year as I thought the price tag and roster spot for both he and Couture would make them automatic lame ducks with how well our depth showed.

Oh well, a great problem to have.

Our interior is:
LG - C - RG
Desjarlais - Couture - Neufeld
Speller - Eli - Gray

A great starter + starter-quality backup for each position. Wow.
Impossible for us to carry 3 backup canadian OL unless we 1 game 1 or 2


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 10, 2020, 02:42:24 PM
Impossible for us to carry 3 backup canadian OL unless we 1 game 1 or 2

Wasn't Speller one gamed almost every game?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 10, 2020, 02:57:43 PM
Wasn't Speller one gamed almost every game?
No? He was our week 1 starting guard. I recall he got hurt but came back and we moved Gray

Thats besides the fact. I just don't see how we can realistically keep everyone, and Speller was quite good in the playoffs, arguably better than Couture


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2020, 03:10:43 PM
Many reports saying they are not mutually exclusive, in fact they were selling Willie on being able to bookend with him...

Eh, seems like a lot of money on that D-line when you include Laurent. I have to imagine they're out of the Jefferson sweepstakes now with Davis getting a sizeable payday.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 10, 2020, 03:34:07 PM
Impossible for us to carry 3 backup canadian OL unless we 1 game 1 or 2

Yeah I know, and I assume that's the plan. Otherwise, why re-up Neufeld and Couture?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 10, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
Hammy has to be pushing close to the cap. They have a lot of big ticket players.

I think Hammy is now just playing games hoping it will encourage Willie to push for a little more money from the Bombers. No way they can afford to add Jefferson to what is getting to be a very expensive DL...as they still have to get Wynn to re-sign.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 03:49:09 PM
I think Hammy is now just playing games hoping it will encourage Willie to push for a little more money from the Bombers. No way they can afford to add Jefferson to what is getting to be a very expensive DL...as they still have to get Wynn to re-sign.

And we have Nevis unsigned as of yet.  No press on him being courted, any idea if he interviewed anywhere?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 10, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
And we have Nevis unsigned as of yet.  No press on him being courted, any idea if he interviewed anywhere?

The Riders were not happy with their DT play and elected to walk away from Micah Johnson, so they could be in play for either Nevis or Wynn.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 10, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
The Riders were not happy with their DT play and elected to walk away from Micah Johnson, so they could be in play for either Nevis or Wynn.

Jeff Hamilton reporting Nevis was paid $85,000 last season, I'd be shocked if that number was true and would happily offer him $50,000 more for his services this year.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/november-reign-567666632.html#cxrecs_s


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 06:57:29 PM
Jeff Hamilton@jeffkhamilton

#Bombers have told DT Drake Nevis and DB Chandler Fenner that they will hit free agency. According to sources, Nevis is close to signing with Toronto. Told Nevis was also at the Raptors game with Willie Jefferson. #wfp


Have to wonder what the number for Nevis is... if Toronto is going all in for him, I can see not being in the mix.  And with Richardson's play last year, and another year of ELC, and us going Nat at DT, might be a prudent choice.  Not a popular one, and might come back to bite us, but I get it... Nevis will get paid.

Fenner, we all saw that coming... love the guy and his play, if no one else ponies up the love, no reason not to bring him back at the right price.  But the DB competition is going to be fierce, even with the loss of Sayles and Rose...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 07:00:32 PM
who said we are going National at DT...nobody as far as I know other than beat writer speculation...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 10, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
Jeff Hamilton@jeffkhamilton

#Bombers have told DT Drake Nevis and DB Chandler Fenner that they will hit free agency. According to sources, Nevis is close to signing with Toronto. Told Nevis was also at the Raptors game with Willie Jefferson. #wfp


Have to wonder what the number for Nevis is... if Toronto is going all in for him, I can see not being in the mix.  And with Richardson's play last year, and another year of ELC, and us going Nat at DT, might be a prudent choice.  Not a popular one, and might come back to bite us, but I get it... Nevis will get paid.

Fenner, we all saw that coming... love the guy and his play, if no one else ponies up the love, no reason not to bring him back at the right price.  But the DB competition is going to be fierce, even with the loss of Sayles and Rose...

Pissed, pissed, pissed, Nevis has been one of the best DT's in the league over the last two years and Walters rewards him by pointing to the door when he seeks a reasonable  increase on his $85,000 salary just so he can up Jefferson's bid nearer to $300,000.  If Nevis walks they end up with a mighty big hole to fill, betting on an unproven Connor Griffiths to plug it seems like a huge stretch.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue girl on February 10, 2020, 09:35:50 PM
Pissed, pissed, pissed, Nevis has been one of the best DT's in the league over the last two years and Walters rewards him by pointing to the door when he seeks a reasonable  increase on his $85,000 salary just so he can up Jefferson's bid nearer to $300,000.  If Nevis walks they end up with a mighty big hole to fill, betting on an unproven Connor Griffiths to plug it seems like a huge stretch.
So who would you rather have Nevis or Jefferson? My answer is Jefferson.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 09:39:46 PM
who said we are going National at DT...nobody as far as I know other than beat writer speculation...

The roster speaks volumes....

Pissed, pissed, pissed, Nevis has been one of the best DT's in the league over the last two years and Walters rewards him by pointing to the door when he seeks a reasonable  increase on his $85,000 salary just so he can up Jefferson's bid nearer to $300,000.  If Nevis walks they end up with a mighty big hole to fill, betting on an unproven Connor Griffiths to plug it seems like a huge stretch.

Love what Nevis brought last year, bounceback supreme.  He will get paid, and knows that the Bombers have a price they are willing to pay, and other teams will pay more right now.  Richardson played well enough last year to stick, and they will no doubt bring in new blood as well.    

Sucks losing players, but you always will.  Its limiting how many that is key, and making sure you have them replaced...

The fact Roh's name isn't mentioned is interesting.  Will see what the interest in him is out there when the official offers start... wouldn't be surprised if he comes back on a club friendly deal...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 09:43:42 PM
The roster speaks volumes....

Love what Nevis brought last year, bounceback supreme.  He will get paid, and knows that the Bombers have a price they are willing to pay, and other teams will pay more right now.  Richardson played well enough last year to stick, and they will no doubt bring in new blood as well.    

Sucks losing players, but you always will.  Its limiting how many that is key, and making sure you have them replaced...

The fact Roh's name isn't mentioned is interesting.  Will see what the interest in him is out there when the official offers start... wouldn't be surprised if he comes back on a club friendly deal...

The roster prior to free agency, and final TC signings?..doesn't say much other than we only have 3 ET going to camp...and we always have 6-7


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
They were just talking on the radio about the number of players that re-upped at a discount.  We "got value" in just about every signing Walters has made.  

Pretty sweet.  Walters picks the players, MOS builds the culture, Walters looks like a genius and MOS wins the Cup... an amazing combo... and Miller facilitates them... The Canadian Mafia... putting the "special" in a special team...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 09:49:13 PM
The roster prior to free agency, and final TC signings?..doesn't say much other than we only have 3 ET going to camp...and we always have 6-7

I hope they don't phone home (the ET's)

       Alexandre, Justin    DE    A    6'5    256    22    Incarnate Word
3       Hansen, Thiadric         DE    G    6'2    243    27    
94       Jeffcoat, Jackson    DE    A    6'3    253    28    Texas
49       Kenney, David         DE    A    6'2    250    25    Illinois State
97       Koloamatangi, Meffy    DE    A    6'5    240    24    Hawaii
90       McCalister, Alex    DE    A    6'6    240    26    University of Florida
91       Griffiths, Connor    DL    N    6'3    281    22    UBC
5       Jefferson, Willie    DL    A    6'7    248    29    Stephen F. Austin
98       Richardson, S    DL    A    5'11    298    23    University of Minnesota
93       Roh, Craig    DL    A    6'4    256    29    Michigan
95       Thomas, Jake    DT    N    6'2    275    29    Acadia

I count 11 D linemen, only 3 DT's, 2 of which are Nats... with all the Nat talent we have, i can see grabbing the best DL available with the 18th pick as well...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue girl on February 10, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
They were just talking on the radio about the number of players that re-upped at a discount.  We "got value" in just about every signing Walters has made.  

Pretty sweet.  Walters picks the players, MOS builds the culture, Walters looks like a genius and MOS wins the Cup... an amazing combo... and Miller facilitates them... The Canadian Mafia... putting the "special" in a special team...
This reminds me of the old Paul Robson/Cal Murphy days when players would play here for less because they liked the atmosphere and they liked winning.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 10, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
I hope they don't phone home (the ET's)

       Alexandre, Justin    DE    A    6'5    256    22    Incarnate Word
3       Hansen, Thiadric         DE    G    6'2    243    27    
94       Jeffcoat, Jackson    DE    A    6'3    253    28    Texas
49       Kenney, David         DE    A    6'2    250    25    Illinois State
97       Koloamatangi, Meffy    DE    A    6'5    240    24    Hawaii
90       McCalister, Alex    DE    A    6'6    240    26    University of Florida
91       Griffiths, Connor    DL    N    6'3    281    22    UBC
5       Jefferson, Willie    DL    A    6'7    248    29    Stephen F. Austin
98       Richardson, S    DL    A    5'11    298    23    University of Minnesota
93       Roh, Craig    DL    A    6'4    256    29    Michigan
95       Thomas, Jake    DT    N    6'2    275    29    Acadia

I count 11 D linemen, only 3 DT's, 2 of which are Nats... with all the Nat talent we have, i can see grabbing the best DL available with the 18th pick as well...
Why you loom at the roster now??...revisit it at TC and I bet ya my left nut there are 3 or 4 legit import Dtackles on the TC roster, and some of the guys on your list aren't even in camp


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 10:54:21 PM
Updated:

So, on the lists, this is the work each team has to do, and what they have done...

Team     FA's      Retained
MTL       28           10
OTT       35           13
TOR       33           7   
HAM       31           13
WPG      25           13   
SSK       32           14   
CGY       30           9   
EDM       36           10
BC         31           6   



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2020, 10:57:46 PM
Why you loom at the roster now??...revisit it at TC and I bet ya my left nut there are 3 or 4 legit import Dtackles on the TC roster, and some of the guys on your list aren't even in camp

There will be more players, for sure.  But when you look at opening day DC, I'd bet there is a Nat on the DLine...  which means carrying 1 starting INT DT and one INT ELC backup


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 10, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
This reminds me of the old Paul Robson/Cal Murphy days when players would play here for less because they liked the atmosphere and they liked winning.


I agree....

Winning being the Key word.

This word haunted us till now.

As much as players want money and be payed they also want a Cup and a Ring and maybe play with guys you want to play with.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: gobombersgo on February 10, 2020, 11:24:59 PM
Why you loom at the roster now??...revisit it at TC and I bet ya my left nut there are 3 or 4 legit import Dtackles on the TC roster, and some of the guys on your list aren't even in camp
That and the Bomber roster page isnt 100%. Aard's list doesn't include DT Ezekiel Rose (American), DL Patrick Choudja (American) and DL Royce Lafrance (American).


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: In Motion on February 10, 2020, 11:33:59 PM
I loved Nevis and Roh. Unsung heroes, but of course Willie is tops on the list, and now we have him.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Jets on February 11, 2020, 12:14:59 AM
As good as Nevis was and as good as it is to have a strong DT presence, it's also one of the easiest places to hide a weaker NAT or rookie import.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 11, 2020, 12:19:57 AM
Agreed. and if the roster move was to let someone go, so we could offer and get Jefferson, so be it. I hope Nevis signs with us, but heck, we have Richardson and he brought a load last year, and we have Jake Thomas to rotate in, and I am thinking between Jeffcoat, Jefferson and Roh, they'll rotate a DE into the middle to inject more speed in the interior, like they did last year, so maybe losing Nevis and replacing him with someone else, isn't the end of the world, as I'd rather have this situation vs signing Nevis and losing Jefferson.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: pjrocksmb on February 11, 2020, 12:33:15 AM
Losing Nevis will hurt.  He is an amazing player.  Doesn't get the pay or respect he deserves.  Hope that comes for him this year.  I wish him the best of luck and thank him for his time here.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2020, 03:24:25 AM
Losing Nevis will hurt.  He is an amazing player.  Doesn't get the pay or respect he deserves.  Hope that comes for him this year.  I wish him the best of luck and thank him for his time here.

I totally disagree, Nevis got nothing but respect from the fans in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 11, 2020, 03:27:41 AM
I totally disagree, Nevis got nothing but respect from the fans in Winnipeg.
No question I saluted him on here several times.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2020, 03:32:34 AM
One of my favorite plays, loved watching him crush QB's and B-slap OL's.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 11, 2020, 03:39:57 AM
One of my favorite plays, loved watching him crush QB's and B-slap OL's.
Huge props. He was a beast here. Not over looked what so ever!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: DM83 on February 13, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
Lol! Respect don't pay the bills!
Where's that fat out of shape guy the Bombers wasted a draft pick n a couple years ago? What was his name?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 13, 2020, 02:31:42 PM
Lol! Respect don't pay the bills!
Where's that fat out of shape guy the Bombers wasted a draft pick n a couple years ago? What was his name?
what does that have to do with anything in this thread?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 13, 2020, 02:35:18 PM
I am not ultra confident that Thomas and Griffiths can adequately replace Nevis, but I feel better knowing that we have Bighill to clean up the mess.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 13, 2020, 03:24:27 PM
I am not ultra confident that Thomas and Griffiths can adequately replace Nevis, but I feel better knowing that we have Bighill to clean up the mess.

They cannot.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 03:28:43 PM
They cannot.
I am not ultra confident that Thomas and Griffiths can adequately replace Nevis, but I feel better knowing that we have Bighill to clean up the mess.

Agree with both you...right now thats a weak spot for us, but lots can change prior to camp


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 13, 2020, 05:38:16 PM
They cannot.

Griffiths is such an unknown at this point, I can't recall him ever taking a single snap.  Chances are he's not near ready to challenge Jake for his job yet, never mind step in and replace a power-plug like Nevis.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 13, 2020, 06:08:57 PM
I am not ultra confident that Thomas and Griffiths can adequately replace Nevis, but I feel better knowing that we have Bighill to clean up the mess.

I?m thinking...
- Richardson is the one replacing Nevis (which could be little to no drop off...or even possible improvement)
- Thomas & Griffiths will share the snaps Richardson would have taken - if Nevis was still here.

How much more Thomas plays & Griffith is needed would come down to...
1. how many snaps was Nevis subbed out for Richardson.
2. how many snaps did Nevis & Richardson take together while Kongbo & Thomas rotated.
3. how many snaps did the BB go with 3 DL and use Jones as a dime back.
4. how many snaps did the BB go with 3 DE/1DT - with Jefferson lining up inside.

BB may be planning on using #3 more (with Exume as the dime back) to reduce the extra work load on Thomas.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Pigskin on February 13, 2020, 06:36:52 PM
I think the bombers plan to use the German wrecking ball a little more this year. TH3 was playing some pretty good ball by the end of the season. I look for him to have a good season.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 13, 2020, 06:44:07 PM
I think the bombers plan to use the German wrecking ball a little more this year. TH3 was playing some pretty good ball by the end of the season. I look for him to have a good season.

Same thing just occurred to me, Hansen may be the sub DT for Richardson.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 13, 2020, 06:46:53 PM
Same thing just occurred to me, Hansen may be the sub DT for Richardson.

I don't think Hansen can play DT. Too light. Not his thing I wouldn't think.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 13, 2020, 06:50:27 PM
Same thing just occurred to me, Hansen may be the sub DT for Richardson.
Hansen much too small


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 06:56:26 PM
Hansen much too small

We'll just go 3 ends at same time last year..we went heavy 4 ends due to having Kongbo last yr but can't do that unless we put a national somewhere...which leads me to think even tough Kyle said they are penciling in Alexander at safety it's not set in stone


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: theaardvark on February 13, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Hansen rotates in at DE and in the 3 DE sets...  and remains a ST demon, blowing up multiple players in a single tackle... he might be the first Global signed to a non Global contract...

We'll just go 3 ends at same time last year..we went heavy 4 ends due to having Kongbo last yr but can't do that unless we put a national somewhere...which leads me to think even tough Kyle said they are penciling in Alexander at safety it's not set in stone

3 DE's with Thomas, 4 DE's and a Nat in at SAM/FS



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 13, 2020, 06:59:23 PM
We'll just go 3 ends at same time last year..we went heavy 4 ends due to having Kongbo last yr but can't do that unless we put a national somewhere...which leads me to think even tough Kyle said they are penciling in Alexander at safety it's not set in stone
Ah yes I see. I think Jefferson actually tended to go inside or Jeffcoat


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 13, 2020, 07:00:13 PM
Ah yes I see. I think Jefferson actually tended to go inside or Jeffcoat
Both did...many sets kongbo did too


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Nic16 on February 13, 2020, 07:02:12 PM
We'll just go 3 ends at same time last year..we went heavy 4 ends due to having Kongbo last yr but can't do that unless we put a national somewhere...which leads me to think even tough Kyle said they are penciling in Alexander at safety it's not set in stone

My guess is the BB will use Exume +/or Hallet as the dimeback...+/or use Briggs @ WIL on passing downs a bit more this year than in 2019. Remembering of course Briggs was on the 6 game for most of 2019.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 13, 2020, 07:45:18 PM
Hansen much too small

Only on passing downs when they bring in the third DE.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 13, 2020, 08:19:42 PM
Only on passing downs when they bring in the third DE.
I know. The "nascar" set. But he is still our smallest DE. You don't put that guy inside


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Sec227 on February 13, 2020, 10:27:02 PM
How the heck is a guy like Luke Tasker still NOT signed??...I always loved his play and grit.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 13, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
How the heck is a guy like Luke Tasker still NOT signed??...I always loved his play and grit.

The whole city hates him for dropping 2-3 catchable balls at critical points in the GC.  I think he's done like Dressler.  Pass.

That Japanese lady fan who loves him to death will be very disappointed.  ;D


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 14, 2020, 12:40:52 AM
Well they should also have a hate on for Banks and Addison too, as they were invisible in the Grey Cup as well. And Evans, stunk the joint out in the Grey cup, left the game a broken man, get rid of him, we ll take him!! Same with Tasker, he?s far from finished!! I think maybe his price tag is too high and the tabbies are playing hard ball?would love to see him come here


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: DM83 on February 14, 2020, 02:03:24 AM
They played together didn't they? Tasker and Zac

We have about five guys in the same position.....our guys had a better year.
We needed a guy like Posey


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 14, 2020, 12:59:35 PM
Well they should also have a hate on for Banks and Addison too, as they were invisible in the Grey Cup as well. And Evans, stunk the joint out in the Grey cup, left the game a broken man, get rid of him, we ll take him!! Same with Tasker, he?s far from finished!! I think maybe his price tag is too high and the tabbies are playing hard ball?would love to see him come here

Well, they did in a way by signing Masoli which was a huge show of no-faith in giving Evans the reigns after leading them to their best regular season record ever.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: the paw on February 14, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
I think we've shot our bolt on free agency at this point.  But man, oh man, there are still good receivers out there.

Derel Walker is the best in the league, but clearly is going to hold out for more dollars than we could ever hope to shake out of the couch cushions. 

But Armanti Edwards, Rhymes, and Roosevelt are all 1000 yard guys still out there, and Luke Tasker probably bounces back to 1000 yard season if he stays healthy.  One of those guys will eventually agree to play at a discount, and even though I am optimistic about Bailey, it would be awfully tempting to add one these guys. 


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Horseman on February 14, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
I think we've shot our bolt on free agency at this point.  But man, oh man, there are still good receivers out there.

Derel Walker is the best in the league, but clearly is going to hold out for more dollars than we could ever hope to shake out of the couch cushions. 

But Armanti Edwards, Rhymes, and Roosevelt are all 1000 yard guys still out there, and Luke Tasker probably bounces back to 1000 yard season if he stays healthy.  One of those guys will eventually agree to play at a discount, and even though I am optimistic about Bailey, it would be awfully tempting to add one these guys. 

I agree, I think the Bombers should sign one of these receivers, I would sign Tasker.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 14, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
I disagree. I think we are moving forward with our core guys from last year and have realized that a breakout receiver is just not worth the dough in our system. I think the Bowman and Matthews experiments left a bad taste in Walters' mouth and he decided to tighten up the screws elsewhere on the roster. And I'm fine with that.

While I expect Buck to put his stamp on the offense, I think our pass game will remain conservative with a heavy serving of AH33 in order to maximize Collaros' health.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 14, 2020, 04:49:50 PM
I agree. Lawler and Bailey showed us more than our previously highly touted FA bust receiver signings of Bowman and Matthews, both mega busts. I m hinking if we pickup someone, it?s going to fit within our cap space and on our terms, but that said, I think we ll pickup someone as there?s a few out there but we won?t break any piggy banks to do it


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 18, 2020, 03:46:58 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 21, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
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The #Lions have signed WR Dominique Rhymes #CFLFA


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 21, 2020, 05:26:43 PM
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The #Lions have signed WR Dominique Rhymes #CFLFA

So they're out of the Walker sweepstakes then...??


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 21, 2020, 05:26:51 PM
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The #Lions have signed WR Dominique Rhymes #CFLFA

Darn was hoping we could snag him...does this take BC out of the Derel Walker picture?  I think it will...

Come on Walters land us Walker!!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 21, 2020, 05:56:42 PM
I would say that a Derel Walker signing may be imminent.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TBURGESS on February 21, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
BC won't be signing Walker now. If we were #2 on Walker's list, we are now #1.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 21, 2020, 06:39:56 PM
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The #Lions have signed WR Dominique Rhymes #CFLFA
Yikes, BC has Reilly throwing to Rhymes and Burnham!!  If their O line can give MR the time to pass, look out!!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 21, 2020, 06:42:12 PM
Yikes, BC has Reilly throwing to Rhymes and Burnham!!  If their O line can give MR the time to pass, look out!!

Meh...it's not like they didn't have good receivers last year too. There problem was OL and D. Not sure much has changed.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: Go Big Blue on February 21, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
"Good things come to those who wait". Derel Walker signing with the Bombers looks a little better every day.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 21, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
Lions just signed Caleb Holley as well, so they're definitely out on Walker, or to say it another way, he's in with someone else


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 21, 2020, 07:55:06 PM
Meh...it's not like they didn't have good receivers last year too. There problem was OL and D. Not sure much has changed.
Burnham was the only one who made plays for them. Carter was invisible, rhymes and now Holley, won?t be.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 21, 2020, 08:17:09 PM
Yikes, BC has Reilly throwing to Rhymes and Burnham!!  If their O line can give MR the time to pass, look out!!
He used to throw to Duke Willaims..Zylstra, Walker before too...and dint win jack


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 21, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
Ah, he won the Grey cup last time it was in Winnipeg!!


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: The Zipp on February 21, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
Mike Reilly - overrated...


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 21, 2020, 09:24:59 PM
Ah, he won the Grey cup last time it was in Winnipeg!!

yeah against ottawa..and he didnt really light things up...and won it with a lesser cast of receivers 5 years ago now.. when he was loaded at receiever in his last 2-3 years there..they didnt win ****


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 21, 2020, 10:14:26 PM
Mike Reilly - overrated...
No he isn't


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 21, 2020, 10:52:08 PM
No he isn't
Yes he currently absolutely is.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 21, 2020, 10:53:10 PM
No he isn't

He's good but the 2018 Eskimos had much more offensive talent than BC currently has and didn't make the playoffs. You have to have a good offence and a good defence in this league and BC's defence sucks.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 21, 2020, 10:53:47 PM
He used to throw to Duke Willaims..Zylstra, Walker before too...and dint win jack

You can put up 40 points a game but if you surrender 41...you lose.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 21, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Burnham was the only one who made plays for them. Carter was invisible, rhymes and now Holley, won?t be.

Rhymes sure...but Holley is meh.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: kkc60 on February 21, 2020, 11:32:36 PM
Yes he currently absolutely is.
No he isn't. Overpaid maybe not overrated


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 22, 2020, 12:47:34 AM
No he isn't. Overpaid maybe not overrated

You guys are both right. He is an elite QB who is also over rated. How is he over rated? Well for about the past 4 years his team has been picked by many to win the Grey Cup simply because of his presence. He has proven he can deliver with a team around him but he has also proven he cannot carry a team on his back as many CFL fans like to believe.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: DM83 on February 22, 2020, 04:23:48 AM
So does that compel Walker to sign with us, with. Bonus and. Playoff money enticing him?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 22, 2020, 04:47:37 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 22, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
Does this mean the riders sign walker to replace Roosevelt?. Fajardo needs someone to throw to


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 22, 2020, 03:51:33 PM
You guys are both right. He is an elite QB who is also over rated. How is he over rated? Well for about the past 4 years his team has been picked by many to win the Grey Cup simply because of his presence. He has proven he can deliver with a team around him but he has also proven he cannot carry a team on his back as many CFL fans like to believe.

The bold is what I was about to say. He is a very, very good QB, but his biggest believers tout that he can take over a game with his throwing, running, and elusiveness (i.e. tough to bring down like a CFL Roethlisberger). I felt this way about him in the mid 2010s, but the fact of the matter is he has missed the playoffs 2 years in a row in our 9 team league. He is not carrying his teams on his back, which he is "rated" to do.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on February 22, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
Does this mean the riders sign walker to replace Roosevelt?. Fajardo needs someone to throw to
I believe the Riders are through signing free agent receivers and will stay with what they have.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 22, 2020, 07:41:19 PM
I believe the Riders are through signing free agent receivers and will stay with what they have.

They have no holes...didnt u read the rider press?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: DM83 on February 22, 2020, 08:01:36 PM
Where is. Walker?


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 22, 2020, 09:21:10 PM
I believe the Riders are through signing free agent receivers and will stay with what they have.
Jake harty is no replacement for Roosevelt. But good for them, we ll kill them this year


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 22, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
Does this mean the riders sign walker to replace Roosevelt?. Fajardo needs someone to throw to

Walker is a complete mismatch for SSK.  SSK thrives on the short and quick pass game, and I don't see that changing even without McAdoo as Fine Upstanding Cody is limited in his ability and needs the emotional cushion that a high-percentage playbook provides.  Walker is the medium and deep threat.

I think the delay on Walker is no team can afford to pay him what he wants.  He may hold out until the bitter end and sign somewhere last minute.

P.S. Roosevelt to MTL is a good move for both.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: bluebeard on February 22, 2020, 11:08:55 PM
They have no holes...didnt u read the rider press?
I believe O'Day said that they would not be big players in free agency.  I do not know why this is but he seems to be keeping to this.  If I'm wrong please correct


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: dd on February 23, 2020, 02:15:15 AM
Walker is a complete mismatch for SSK.  SSK thrives on the short and quick pass game, and I don't see that changing even without McAdoo as Fine Upstanding Cody is limited in his ability and needs the emotional cushion that a high-percentage playbook provides.  Walker is the medium and deep threat.

I think the delay on Walker is no team can afford to pay him what he wants.  He may hold out until the bitter end and sign somewhere last minute.

P.S. Roosevelt to MTL is a good move for both.

Ya, Montreal will have 2 deep threats and Adams will light it up Lewis and Roosevelt and then have a solid ground game ta boot. Montreal moved up a place in the East division with this move and should finish behind Hamilton this year.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_or_die on February 24, 2020, 02:17:36 PM
Ya, Montreal will have 2 deep threats and Adams will light it up Lewis and Roosevelt and then have a solid ground game ta boot. Montreal moved up a place in the East division with this move and should finish behind Hamilton this year.

MTL finished second last year, also behind Hamilton..


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 24, 2020, 02:47:51 PM
Does this mean the riders sign walker to replace Roosevelt?. Fajardo needs someone to throw to

I wish they would because that would leave them no money at all to fix a very porous OL. I don't wish injuries on any player but Fajardo is going to be running for his life this year and I can't see how he lasts the season behind that OL.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: booch on February 24, 2020, 02:56:43 PM
I wish they would because that would leave them no money at all to fix a very porous OL. I don't wish injuries on any player but Fajardo is going to be running for his life this year and I can't see how he lasts the season behind that OL.

Signing Walker or not...there is nothing out there outside a trade that will benefit the Rider O-line this year, and with minimal picks in the draft, that ain't helping them either, and that is rare a guy stepping in first year and shoring up an o-line anyway right out of the draft.



Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 24, 2020, 03:14:30 PM
Signing Walker or not...there is nothing out there outside a trade that will benefit the Rider O-line this year, and with minimal picks in the draft, that ain't helping them either, and that is rare a guy stepping in first year and shoring up an o-line anyway right out of the draft.



That's true...but they could add at least somewhat address their depth a bit. Their OL is 2-3 drafts away from being good but if they are going to spend money it should be on someone like Bomben who could actually help them. Labatte is old and can't withstand the rigors of a full season anymore, and then it's just garbage from there. The you have Dakoda Shepley who just signed with a big Hollywood talent agency and is hoping to expand his acting career. Is he committed to the CFL? If he isn't...whoo boy.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: ModAdmin on February 25, 2020, 05:05:39 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: GCn19 on February 25, 2020, 05:28:58 PM
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Former Argo reciever Armanti Edwards joins XFL's Dallas Renegades: Receiver Armanti Edwards officially has a home in the XFL as he?s been added to the roster of the Dallas Renegades. The former Toronto Argonaut and Saskatchewan... https://3downnation.com/2020/02/25/former-argo-reciever-armanti-edwards-joins-xfls-dallas-renegades/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter via @3DownNation

This was being reported on last week already. Lots of our mid level guys are eyeing up the XFL I guess.


Title: Re: 2020 Free Agents
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 25, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
Signing Walker or not...there is nothing out there outside a trade that will benefit the Rider O-line this year, and with minimal picks in the draft, that ain't helping them either, and that is rare a guy stepping in first year and shoring up an o-line anyway right out of the draft.

But they got Josiah St. John back and he'll be the best O-lineman ever!