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Title: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
Well we finally know where we go and who we play. Stampeders can be beaten. They looked average with lots of self inflicted wounds against the hapless and Reilly-less Lions.

We need to beat these guys a move on. Stamps need to be put in their place. Not nearly as good as past years.

Please continue and Go Bombers Go!



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BBRT on November 03, 2019, 01:56:48 PM
Well we finally know where we go and who we play. Stampeders can be beaten. They looked average with lots of self inflicted wounds against the hapless and Reilly-less Lions.

We need to beat these guys a move on. Stamps need to be put in their place. Not nearly as good as past years.

Please continue and Go Bombers Go!



Looking forward to seeing the game in person. It is snowing today in Calgary and the long range forecast is for about 1C and snow over the next weekend. However here in Calgary you never know what to expect. By next weekend we could be +15 or -20 it could be snowing or raining things change daily. I would expect a good crowd no matter what the weather.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: thunderNlightning on November 03, 2019, 02:28:30 PM
And our record IN Calgary over the last how many years is what?

I?m going to be realistic and expect to lose, but hope to win for this. BLM has been here before and has that intangible that he just WINS!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2019, 02:42:10 PM
Looking forward to seeing the game in person. It is snowing today in Calgary and the long range forecast is for about 1C and snow over the next weekend. However here in Calgary you never know what to expect. By next weekend we could be +15 or -20 it could be snowing or raining things change daily. I would expect a good crowd no matter what the weather.
good make sure you wear your Bomber blue.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on November 03, 2019, 02:56:05 PM
Hopefully its a blizzard, and gale force winds. I want everything to work against BLM, he is just too good for us to keep in check without the weather helping IMO.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Ridermania on November 03, 2019, 02:57:24 PM
I'm cheering for the Bombers and can't wait until the West Final game in Regina!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 03, 2019, 03:10:54 PM
We're due to get over the Stamp speed bump on route to the Grey Cup. We win WSF by 10 points.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BBRT on November 03, 2019, 03:12:57 PM
good make sure you wear your Bomber blue.

Yeapers ! time to take out my Bomber Parka vs. Bomber Jacket. My Bomber Parka goes back to approx 1984! I put it up in plastic every year after getting it dry cleaned. Take it out in November late or early December! Note that I still have my Dieter Brock Jersey that is stored and never ever worn.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 03, 2019, 03:38:03 PM
Yeapers ! time to take out my Bomber Parka vs. Bomber Jacket. My Bomber Parka goes back to approx 1984! I put it up in plastic every year after getting it dry cleaned. Take it out in November late or early December! Note that I still have my Dieter Brock Jersey that is stored and never ever worn.

I have a game worn 1982 Brock home jersey that I got for Xmas that year.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Doublezero on November 03, 2019, 04:05:01 PM
Grey Cup bound!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BBRT on November 03, 2019, 04:36:06 PM
I have a game worn 1982 Brock home jersey that I got for Xmas that year.

My Dieter Brock Jersey is more important to me than my Tux. Unfortunately my Brock Jersey is a large and I sort of am a little over a large size these days. According to my better half of 48 years I am WAY OVER a large these days.! :)


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 03, 2019, 05:19:42 PM
My Dieter Brock Jersey is more important to me than my Tux. Unfortunately my Brock Jersey is a large and I sort of am a little over a large size these days. According to my better half of 48 years I am WAY OVER a large these days.! :)

I remember a friend on my touch league team offered me $300 for mine in 1990. I still have the jersey. Team association over money every day.

Interestingly it's a large and I'm only 180 lbs. It's very very tight. I have no idea how he'd have gotten shoulder pads under this jersey. It's not like he was a smallish QB.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BBRT on November 03, 2019, 05:52:57 PM
I remember a friend on my touch league team offered me $300 for mine in 1990. I still have the jersey. Team association over money every day.

Interestingly it's a large and I'm only 180 lbs. It's very very tight. I have no idea how he'd have gotten shoulder pads under this jersey. It's not like he was a smallish QB.

Yeah when I played at SMU (2nd and 3rd string at best) LB I was 205 and stayed that way until later on and at that time the Jersey was very tight (as in very very tight) fit. However thanks to my wife's great Winnipeg Cooking I can say I am no longer a slim 205! Too many Perogies and Cabbage Rolls over the 48 years! :)


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 03, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
And our record IN Calgary over the last how many years is what?

I?m going to be realistic and expect to lose, but hope to win for this. BLM has been here before and has that intangible that he just WINS!

since 2011:

played: 20 times
overall record: 4-16
@ Calgary: 2-8
@ Winnipeg: 2-8
Decided in Last 3:00: 12 times
Decided by 0-4 Pts:  7 times
Average points:  Calgary 29.8  -  Winnipeg 21.1
Single game high pts:  Calgary  44  -  Winnipeg  34
Largest lead:  Calgary  +44  -  Winninpeg  +23


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 03, 2019, 06:32:41 PM
I remember a friend on my touch league team offered me $300 for mine in 1990. I still have the jersey. Team association over money every day.

Interestingly it's a large and I'm only 180 lbs. It's very very tight. I have no idea how he'd have gotten shoulder pads under this jersey. It's not like he was a smallish QB.
Well it's a known fact clothes shrink quite a lot when stored for long periods of time between uses!!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2019, 06:35:32 PM
Yeapers ! time to take out my Bomber Parka vs. Bomber Jacket. My Bomber Parka goes back to approx 1984! I put it up in plastic every year after getting it dry cleaned. Take it out in November late or early December! Note that I still have my Dieter Brock Jersey that is stored and never ever worn.
Sounds like a sweet jacket.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 03, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
since 2011:

played: 20 times
overall record: 4-16
@ Calgary: 2-8
@ Winnipeg: 2-8
Decided in Last 3:00: 12 times
Decided by 0-4 Pts:  7 times
Average points:  Calgary 29.8  -  Winnipeg 21.1
Single game high pts:  Calgary  44  -  Winnipeg  34
Largest lead:  Calgary  +44  -  Winninpeg  +23

seem to have our number lately....like 80% of the time!!   Similar to our LDC record against the Riders!!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Yeah when I played at SMU (2nd and 3rd string at best) LB I was 205 and stayed that way until later on and at that time the Jersey was very tight (as in very very tight) fit. However thanks to my wife's great Winnipeg Cooking I can say I am no longer a slim 205! Too many Perogies and Cabbage Rolls over the 48 years! :)
Very cool BBRT. Nice to know more about you.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue girl on November 03, 2019, 07:36:24 PM
The Bombers can definitely win this one. The pressure is all on Calgary as they're expected to be in the Grey Cup. GO BLUE


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: thunderNlightning on November 03, 2019, 09:03:52 PM
I used to get so excited for Bomber playoff games, but lately with this 27 years of futility and failure, I am struggling to get excited anymore. This game just had a meh feeling from me. It socks because I love this team.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
I used to get so excited for Bomber playoff games, but lately with this 27 years of futility and failure, I am struggling to get excited anymore. This game just had a meh feeling from me. It socks because I love this team.
Well you get first prize for strangest post of the year.

So you are meh about the game but you love this team? OK, That makes no sense.

You a scarred but if you move this team you are excited about it.

Snap out of it as week goes man.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue girl on November 03, 2019, 10:35:22 PM
I'm not having any negative thoughts this week. Only positive. The Bombers can win this game. GO BLUE


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: thunderNlightning on November 04, 2019, 12:15:09 AM


Sorry I?m not as blind and annoying as 95% of your posts that spew positivity with your blue n gold covered glasses. You want to place a bet? I?ll bet you Bombers don?t win the cup once again this year? I know someone like you bleeds faith in this team and would take that bet.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on November 04, 2019, 12:17:52 AM
Sorry I?m not as blind and annoying as 95% of your posts that spew positivity with your blue n gold covered glasses. You want to place a bet? I?ll bet you Bombers don?t win the cup once again this year? I know someone like you bleeds faith in this team and would take that bet.

LOL    He wont take that bet


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: bomb squad on November 04, 2019, 01:29:31 AM
So, we have people on the forum wanting to bet people on the forum that the Bombers will lose. How inspiring.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: fansince79 on November 04, 2019, 02:00:01 AM
I can?t help but think how we should be home a cooled in first place with 2 bye weeks to rest up injured guys, those 3 last second losses in Regina, Montreal and Toronto were the difference. We haven?t hosted a West Final since 19 freaking 72, and yes I realize we spent a lot of those years in the east. Now cuz we ****** away those 3 games we have travel to Calgary where we haven?t won a meaningful game there since 2002. Good times.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 04, 2019, 02:43:17 AM
I can?t help but think how we should be home a cooled in first place with 2 bye weeks to rest up injured guys, those 3 last second losses in Regina, Montreal and Toronto were the difference. We haven?t hosted a West Final since 19 freaking 72, and yes I realize we spent a lot of those years in the east. Now cuz we ****** away those 3 games we have travel to Calgary where we haven?t won a meaningful game there since 2002. Good times.
Welcome back from hibernation!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 04, 2019, 02:45:26 AM
This....yeah we blew some games we should have won....yeah Calgary's record against us is sick.....yeah we are down our two starting QBs....Yeah we likely can't win with Streveler as a starter....Yeah our DBs give up too many yards.....Yeah Andrew Harris was left off the all star ballot....ALL that and more!!

Then there's This....we have an experienced QB who just won our season series with Calgary for the first time in ??.
.....you think Calgary's worried??  They have all the pressure on them.....whereas we are not expected to win!    They will be pursuing Collaros with great prejudice....that's a given and Zach will have to play for his life.   Having said all this...l still like our chances!   Go Big Blue....All the way....ABSOFRICKINLUTELY!!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue_or_die on November 04, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
since 2011:

played: 20 times
overall record: 4-16
@ Calgary: 2-8
@ Winnipeg: 2-8
Decided in Last 3:00: 12 times
Decided by 0-4 Pts:  7 times
Average points:  Calgary 29.8  -  Winnipeg 21.1
Single game high pts:  Calgary  44  -  Winnipeg  34
Largest lead:  Calgary  +44  -  Winninpeg  +23


Interesting that this is the year we set that record.

Let this good times roll...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 04, 2019, 03:47:30 AM
Interesting that this is the year we set that record.

Let this good times roll...

actually, that 34 pts was scored in a game on Sept. 26, 2016... a game we lost as well @ Calgary 36-34...  this year's game we scored 33 pts, the 2nd most we've scored against them and the second most they have given up this year...  but it was close, lol...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blitzer on November 04, 2019, 07:36:52 AM
So, we have people on the forum wanting to bet people on the forum that the Bombers will lose. How inspiring.

 I agree with you. This thread started OK but then it's more crap from people who most likely never played 12 man football in their life. Why don't people get a life. It's too bad there's so many miserable SOB's on this site.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 04, 2019, 01:43:56 PM
I agree with you. This thread started OK but then it's more crap from people who most likely never played 12 man football in their life. Why don't people get a life. It's too bad there's so many miserable SOB's on this site.
Thread seems fine to me. Do not like it do not post on this thread!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
All the threads on this board take a left turn sooner or later. The longer they go the more BS there is.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GCn19 on November 04, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
Would have preferred Saskatchewan this weekend because I really don't think Fajardo could play this weekend and they are not good without him, but Calgary is a very winnable game (as we have demonstrated to be fact...not opinion).
The worse the weather, the more it plays into our hands.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2019, 04:41:15 PM
If the bomber put pressure on Bo, and play smart football there is no reason why we can't win this game. Bad penalties, and turnovers, are something we can not do.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 04, 2019, 04:42:55 PM
It's really hard to go into Calgary and win a playoff game. The bye came at a good time for us. We've got a chance but I'd put the odds at somewhere between 20-30 percent.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Donny C on November 04, 2019, 04:50:16 PM
I can?t help but think how we should be home a cooled in first place with 2 bye weeks to rest up injured guys, those 3 last second losses in Regina, Montreal and Toronto were the difference. We haven?t hosted a West Final since 19 freaking 72, and yes I realize we spent a lot of those years in the east. Now cuz we ****** away those 3 games we have travel to Calgary where we haven?t won a meaningful game there since 2002. Good times.

When was the last time WPG hosted a Finals game? (I know it was in the new stadium, but don't recall which year).


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 04, 2019, 05:07:19 PM
Which team is going to be the healthiest this weekend. Bombers will be better rested. Injury status may play a factor. Both teams have some significant players on their IR.

Calgary played their last game without Law and Metchie was injured during the game. Will either be able to play? If Metchie is out that's an advantage to our passing game.

Calgary / Bomber games are usually decided by which team makes the most mistakes with turnovers and penalties.

We need to play a clean close to error free game. It's something we're capable of doing. Calgary seldom out mistakes their opponents so we need our A game.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Stretch on November 04, 2019, 05:18:04 PM
When was the last time WPG hosted a Finals game? (I know it was in the new stadium, but don't recall which year).

You're probably thinking of the 2017 West Semifinal (lost to Edmonton). The last time we hosted a Divisional final was 2011 at CanadInns when we were still in the East.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blueraid on November 04, 2019, 05:24:36 PM
Here's the key....pressure and more pressure on Bo Levi so he can't rear back and butcher us with his passing...The whole world knows he's not running...we have to find a way to flush him out of the pocket he likes to sit in and orchestrate a pin point passing game....We have to penetrate a very good O Line and that's key....Their running game is lacking and our D upfront will have no problem containing it....That's what we have to do defensively ...On offence it's time to open up the playbook...Collaros has had time to work with our receivers now and that should really open up the running game, with Harris pounding out the yardage...Cal. is very beatable....we've already proven that...If the field conditions are poor, I think it plays to our advantage....We have a very good chance at advancing....just have to put it all together and DO IT


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Donny C on November 04, 2019, 06:13:01 PM
Here's the key....pressure and more pressure on Bo Levi so he can't rear back and butcher us with his passing...The whole world knows he's not running...we have to find a way to flush him out of the pocket he likes to sit in and orchestrate a pin point passing game....We have to penetrate a very good O Line and that's key....Their running game is lacking and our D upfront will have no problem containing it....That's what we have to do defensively ...On offence it's time to open up the playbook...Collaros has had time to work with our receivers now and that should really open up the running game, with Harris pounding out the yardage...Cal. is very beatable....we've already proven that...If the field conditions are poor, I think it plays to our advantage....We have a very good chance at advancing....just have to put it all together and DO IT

Great idea.

The problem is (as Sanchez said this weekend), "Hall likes to play cover defense. WPG will have to find a way to get pressure with 4."


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 04, 2019, 08:12:25 PM
Great idea.

The problem is (as Sanchez said this weekend), "Hall likes to play cover defense. WPG will have to find a way to get pressure with 4."
Some valid points....if Bighill was playing up to last years form he could be the X factor along with Jefferson....as he sometimes drops back into coverage and has made some key interceptions at times.   Either way someone needs to step up if we are going to try and contain BLM for long......


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: pjrocksmb on November 04, 2019, 08:21:36 PM
Sorry I?m not as blind and annoying as 95% of your posts that spew positivity with your blue n gold covered glasses. You want to place a bet? I?ll bet you Bombers don?t win the cup once again this year? I know someone like you bleeds faith in this team and would take that bet.

Place bet no.  I picked cgy this week.

No reason to personally attack me here.  I call it like I see it.  I see us having a chance.  You are entitled to be negative about our chances and its if I remain positive.  Calgary will be our biggest challenge, we can beat them through.

So, we have people on the forum wanting to bet people on the forum that the Bombers will lose. How inspiring.

Yup, ridiculous


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Ridermania on November 04, 2019, 08:29:28 PM
Is Streveler back at practice?

Hope he is good to go!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2019, 08:35:51 PM
We don't start practicing until Wednesday. However I have heard that he was out of the walking boot.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 04, 2019, 08:42:04 PM
I think we win regardless of who starts at QB... this one lands at the feet of the defense and whether or not they can get the job done...

but, if it were me, I would have been working this last week and this one building a dual QB game plan that will keep Calgary off balanced and confused as to what we are going to do... oh, and that page in the play book, the one that has Harris up the middle on first down? tear it out and throw it away...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
I agree the dual QB system would be tough on Calgary's D.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: rubanski on November 04, 2019, 08:51:26 PM
Place bet no.  I picked cgy this week.

No reason to personally attack me here.  I call it like I see it.  I see us having a chance.  You are entitled to be negative about our chances and its if I remain positive.  Calgary will be our biggest challenge, we can beat them through.

Yup, ridiculous

I agree, no need to badger poor or PJ about it. I would say though, as a the guy who is the most obnoxiously optimistic (I say it lightheartedly) about the Bombers - over any other forum regular - people's brain's just have a hard time understanding why you "Mr Keep the Faith" won't pick the BB to win.



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 04, 2019, 08:58:57 PM
I agree, no need to badger poor or PJ about it. I would say though, as a the guy who is the most obnoxiously optimistic (I say it lightheartedly) about the Bombers - over any other forum regular - people's brain's just have a hard time understanding why you "Mr Keep the Faith" won't pick the BB to win.



I agree, I find it oddly funny that he is picking Calgary as well... and as a side note to PJ, who I have no issue with at all, it does make the balance of your posts harder to 'swallow' by picking Calgary... it tells everyone that you too don't believe what you post about the Bombers... no disrespect intended either, just giving you some insight as to how it 'plays' when reading it...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2019, 09:07:18 PM
The bomber slapped PJ in the face the last time they played Calgary as he had no faith that we could win at home. The bombers will do it again on Sunday. Go Bombers.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 04, 2019, 09:20:06 PM
We don't start practicing until Wednesday. However I have heard that he was out of the walking boot.

Wednesday? Practice Wednesday Thursday with a walk thru on Friday then travel on Saturday. I would have expected one additional practice this week.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BlueInCgy on November 04, 2019, 09:29:42 PM
oh, and that page in the play book, the one that has Harris up the middle on first down? tear it out and throw it away...

Problem is, it's not a page, it's a chapter. :P


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 04, 2019, 09:32:28 PM
Problem is, it's not a page, it's a chapter. :P

I'm to the point that we should just start every series with 2nd and 8.... save time...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
That's what the Mod. has posted for this week.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 04, 2019, 11:16:28 PM
Wednesday? Practice Wednesday Thursday with a walk thru on Friday then travel on Saturday. I would have expected one additional practice this week.

Yah I don't get it. two days of prep. after 10 days off doesn't seem nearly enough.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: rubanski on November 05, 2019, 01:16:53 AM
Yah I don't get it. two days of prep. after 10 days off doesn't seem nearly enough.

I bloody well hope the coaches stuck around and prepped the whole time. That'll make a big difference. The coach's already knew success means beating Calgary and SK in their own barns. They get a game planning head start on both if they used the week wisely.

Also, fingers crossed for a windy blizzard in CGY.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Knocker42 on November 05, 2019, 01:25:12 AM
On the call-in show tonight, Mike O'Shea said quite emphatically that all the coaches have been at work during the entire two weeks. He also said he did not give the players much time off and that they have put in a lot of preparatory work.  Seems that, although the practice schedule as posted looks a bit thin, a lot more has been going on.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BigBomberFan on November 05, 2019, 01:28:50 AM
I actually really like our chances against Calgary. This is why:

1) we won the season series against them for the first time since 2002
2) victory is fresh in our minds against them, and they were playing frustrated football against us in the last game; forcing things to happen and as a result, errors (drops, interceptions, etc) were more plentiful.
3) see above; the competitive spirit right now and the hatred/ trash talking is in full swing right now. Take advantage of it.
4) they're fairly injured and banged up right now
5) no real RB running threat. When they had Cornish or Messam, they had a more balanced attack, but right now, they're almost completely reliant on the passing game
6) Bo's overconfidence will likely cost him this time around
7) you can't always go to the GC every year
8 ) Collaros will want to win this one so that he can put extra effort into beating the Riders


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: pjrocksmb on November 05, 2019, 01:34:12 AM
I agree, no need to badger poor or PJ about it. I would say though, as a the guy who is the most obnoxiously optimistic (I say it lightheartedly) about the Bombers - over any other forum regular - people's brain's just have a hard time understanding why you "Mr Keep the Faith" won't pick the BB to win.


Always hoping for victory, always cheering for an upset.  Pickems are a contest that rewards those that pick the winning club, I pick my teams based on who will most likely win.
I agree, I find it oddly funny that he is picking Calgary as well... and as a side note to PJ, who I have no issue with at all, it does make the balance of your posts harder to 'swallow' by picking Calgary... it tells everyone that you too don't believe what you post about the Bombers... no disrespect intended either, just giving you some insight as to how it 'plays' when reading it...
I pick to win the pickems.  That's why I have participate in it, to win.
The bomber slapped PJ in the face the last time they played Calgary as he had no faith that we could win at home. The bombers will do it again on Sunday. Go Bombers.
Who picked the Bombers to win every week early on to help earn me the top spot?  

Calgary has a slight advantage due to their QB and the fact that they are at home.  If we had Nichols I would have picked Bombers.  If we were at home I would have picked Bombers.  I have stuck my neck out countless times over the last 2 or 3 years supporting this club through thick and thin.  Sometimes I beat the drum a little hard but many times it turns out my faith in the team was warranted and it paid off.  Turns out that my faith in our coaches, management and players wasn't as far off any many have suggested.  Not always right but not as wrong as many have pointed out.  Now I pick against the Bombers a few weeks and people get on me likely crazy in the true web / Bomber forum mod mentality that this place is classic for.  

I suggest that everyone remembers that the pickems is a separate thread / game we all play to win.  It's not directly correlated to how one supports their team.  I would appreciate if in the future people found a way to not use the pickems as a way to attack other members simply on their choice of who they think win a ball game.  Thank you.

Big thanks to those that defend me, bigger one to those that are will to cooperate on what I have suggested above.

- LETS GO BOMBERS -


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 05, 2019, 01:36:18 AM
Wednesday? Practice Wednesday Thursday with a walk thru on Friday then travel on Saturday. I would have expected one additional practice this week.
Not getting this especially when playing the best prepared team in the league?   I would also think Collaros might have benefited from a few more reps as well so I'm rather at a loss as to why Bomber management went down this road??   Any theories?


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: rubanski on November 05, 2019, 01:38:24 AM
Not getting this especially when playing the best prepared team in the league?   I would also think Collaros might have benefited from a few more reps as well so I'm rather at a loss as to why Bomber management went down this road??   Any theories?

Everybody's bodies are beat up. Heavy week of prep in the film room and 2 practices. This week is a normal prep/practice week. This should be a big plus for us come Sunday.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: pjrocksmb on November 05, 2019, 01:41:20 AM
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/11/04/head-head-edge-western-semi-final-3/


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: BigBomberFan on November 05, 2019, 01:45:01 AM
Another thing that I forgot about: there's been at least a game or two per season that I can remember in the last 4 years or so where we were actually leading with a few minutes left, but BLM marched the Stamps down the field for a TD or into field goal range. There's been more than a few games where they just barely beat us.

If we win this game, I don't think that it will be by much......could come down to a field goal, or some small intangibles that add up during the course of the game. So we've really got to keep penalties to a minimum, same with turnovers, and special teams might be the difference, too.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: pjrocksmb on November 05, 2019, 01:49:55 AM
Another thing that I forgot about: there's been at least a game or two per season that I can remember in the last 4 years or so where we were actually leading with a few minutes left, but BLM marched the Stamps down the field for a TD or into field goal range. There's been more than a few games where they just barely beat us.

If we win this game, I don't think that it will be by much......could come down to a field goal, or some small intangibles that add up during the course of the game. So we've really got to keep penalties to a minimum, same with turnovers, and special teams might be the difference, too.
agree

yup margin of victory will be small

weather will play a big part

game will be won in the trenches


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: upp on November 05, 2019, 01:59:40 AM
Not getting this especially when playing the best prepared team in the league?   I would also think Collaros might have benefited from a few more reps as well so I'm rather at a loss as to why Bomber management went down this road??   Any theories?

At this point in the season, every player is banged up.  Time is better spent prepping through film, rest and rehab than running through plays you've already run for 20 weeks.  The one exception would be Collaros and his timing with receivers, since they haven't worked together for very long. 


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 05, 2019, 02:21:10 AM
At this point in the season, every player is banged up.  Time is better spent prepping through film, rest and rehab than running through plays you've already run for 20 weeks.  The one exception would be Collaros and his timing with receivers, since they haven't worked together for very long. 

This is something I've always wondered about, I'm sure there isn't a rule that forbids a QB and receiver from playing "catch" in between meetings on their own time.  It makes total sense that Collaros would want to familiarize himself as much as possible with the speed, vertical and particular moves of each receiver to better his chances of achieving success, especially in this situation were his second game happens to be a sudden death play-off game.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 05, 2019, 03:12:23 AM
Hold on I will get you a shovel.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue girl on November 05, 2019, 03:57:27 AM
I don't know if practicing at this time of year really makes a difference, especially since we've just played the same opponent twice. If they were adding any new plays they would do it during a closed practice which is only one day anyway.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: feeling the blues on November 05, 2019, 04:03:38 AM
I think the bombers are going to beat Calgary.  Maybe just wishful thinking, but that my feeling.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 05, 2019, 04:50:12 AM
Ok, you're all sick of it... One job this year: find a way to beat CGY.

It was always going to come down to this, and I choose to believe (and see evidence) that The Canadian Mafia has spent all the off-season and in-season working on that singular goal.  That's the whole reason for Willie being here.  That was the reason for CM and the bids for D.Walker, etc.

I choose to believe MOS has tasked Lapo & Hall this entire year to find all the chinks in the CGY armor.  I think they've spent a little time every single week coming up with inventive ways to beat them.  And by "inventive", I don't mean just trick plays.

If The Mafia did their job, we will beat CGY.  We concentrated on beating CGY, but CGY didn't concentrate on beating WPG.  CGY is concentrating on beating HAM.  (No one is concentrating on beating SSK.)

But no one should discount CGY's ability, competence or brains!  No one should think CGY will play like they did against BC, because they won't.  CGY will play as well as they did in the '18 WDF.  It'll be up to us to frustrate that play to reduce their scoring.  That's what we spent the last 300 days working on.

The two keys are obvious to anyone who watched the '18 WDF:

1. Get more pressure, and consistently.  This can mean as little as disrupting BLM's timing and making him uncomfortable.  That's why we got Willie.
2. Get more scoring, especially in the air.  We didn't get a single TD last go round.  That's why we got CM, but that was a bust.  Lawler and Bailey look like they can step up.

What we should not concentrate on is: Double/Triple coverage: pointless.  If it's there, bonus.  There's literally no reason to sacrifice pressure for coverage.  BLM will eat you alive every time.  Also, all of CGY's receivers are equally nearly capable (except Peck, who will sit), so concentrating on The Begel, and Rogers doesn't really help.  I expect to see a lot more tight man coverage, but I want a lot of Hall Smoke & Mirrors for some creative pre-snap hidden zones when we think we have a shot at a pick.

Needless to say: all Bombers need to lay it on the line like there's no tomorrow.  Because there is no tomorrow.  This is our GC game, essentially.  If we beat CGY I think we skate into the GC no problemo.  Worry about HAM later.  Just getting to the GC will be a major victory, and preserve everyone's job.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 05, 2019, 04:51:52 AM
This is something I've always wondered about, I'm sure there isn't a rule that forbids a QB and receiver from playing "catch" in between meetings on their own time.  It makes total sense that Collaros would want to familiarize himself as much as possible with the speed, vertical and particular moves of each receiver to better his chances of achieving success, especially in this situation were his second game happens to be a sudden death play-off game.

vertical?  you think we're going to go to a vertical game? lol...

18 or 19 of Collaros' completions last game were either a guy sitting in a hole or come backs by the receivers... it's Lapo... expect more of the same...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: dd on November 05, 2019, 06:25:55 AM
True enough, that?s all he has in his playbook


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 05, 2019, 06:32:03 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if Lapo & his QBs come out gun slinging in this game?!  I would give it a try to start off as you can always fall back on the run/shortpass-heavy Lapo scheme if it doesn't work.  In any event, I guarantee you this game will not look like the '18 WF.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 05, 2019, 06:49:12 AM
Needless to say, when the plays come to us, we have to make them.  That missed Strev->AH sure-thing TD from the '18 WF still haunts me.  Those plays must be made.  The near-misses and dropsies and non-layouts and non-ladderclimbs we've been doing the last 6 weeks need to be rectified in 95%+ of the cases.  Everyone needs to be picture perfect.  Let CGY make all the mistakes.

And our vets need to step up with their experience and serenity, having been in previous playoffs.  We need to make sure guys like Lawler and Bailey and Lucky and Grant aren't getting too jumpy.  As such, I expect Adams and Demski and Woli to play a prominent role.

Woli especially needs to up his game if he doesn't want to turn into another Kohlert or Watson NAT who mostly disappear come playoffs.  Woli hasn't had the greatest of years, to put it lightly.  We all think he's capable of more.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 05, 2019, 08:03:21 AM
vertical?  you think we're going to go to a vertical game? lol...

18 or 19 of Collaros' completions last game were either a guy sitting in a hole or come backs by the receivers... it's Lapo... expect more of the same...

Vertical, as in their ability to leapeth offeth the ground.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: 66 Chevelle on November 05, 2019, 10:20:27 AM
Vertical, as in their ability to leapeth offeth the ground.

oh...  that's something completely different, isn't it...  ummm... just disregard my other comment... thank you...  ;D


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Stretch on November 05, 2019, 10:58:30 AM
Wednesday? Practice Wednesday Thursday with a walk thru on Friday then travel on Saturday. I would have expected one additional practice this week.

Is it not practice Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, travel Saturday with walk through in Calgary?


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 05, 2019, 01:38:57 PM
Is it not practice Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, travel Saturday with walk through in Calgary?

Probably not. Another reason for more than 2 practices aside from the walk thru is that we may have roster changes.  A few players like Gaitor, Fenner, Briggs, Streveler, Rempel may be coming off IR?


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 05, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
I think for ZC8 it would have been nice to get a little extra work in this week.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 06, 2019, 03:36:22 AM
How about the subject of hunger?  Hunger can be nearly as important as talent for winning important games.  I think our team is definitely hungrier to get to the GC.  CGY just got theirs so the only hunger there is to do it front of the home crowd.  But, really, how hungry does that make someone?  Not as hungry as AH33 is to right all the wrongs of this season.  Not as hungry as all the 2, 3 and 4 year vets on our team who have tried every year and failed.

Our team has the talent.  Our team has the hunger.  I think it's a more deadly combination that what CGY brings to the table.  Their last two games they looked a bit dejected.  While they definitely are going to turn it "on" come game day, I don't think they win the morale battle against WPG.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 06, 2019, 04:35:54 AM
Busy sports day. Jets at 1 pm. TFC at 2:00. Bombers at 3:30. Raptor and Lakers at 6:30. Sprinkle in a little curling and NFL, could it get any better.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 06, 2019, 06:09:48 AM
How about the subject of hunger?  Hunger can be nearly as important as talent for winning important games.  I think our team is definitely hungrier to get to the GC.  CGY just got theirs so the only hunger there is to do it front of the home crowd.  But, really, how hungry does that make someone?  Not as hungry as AH33 is to right all the wrongs of this season.  Not as hungry as all the 2, 3 and 4 year vets on our team who have tried every year and failed.

Our team has the talent.  Our team has the hunger.  I think it's a more deadly combination that what CGY brings to the table.  Their last two games they looked a bit dejected.  While they definitely are going to turn it "on" come game day, I don't think they win the morale battle against WPG.

I dig what you're saying about the hunger to win....I KNOW AH has it and I'm sure that it rubs off on many of his teammates as well.   AH has been maligned by sports writers and broadcasters alike.....and I didn't dig both Henry Burris and our own Milt Stegall ragging on AH and Burris calling him a "cheater".    That reflects on the entire team because AH is one of the leaders of this team.    Those comments must stick in the collective Bomber craws so yeah I'm thinking they want some redemption.....which in turn feeds that hunger.    With Collaros playing as cool as a cucumber while leading this team hungry for a Grey Cup....it might just be the X factor in the whole scheme of things!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: catfan on November 06, 2019, 07:25:36 AM

 Well...I hope you guys beat them in their back yard so we don't have too.



 Catfan


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 06, 2019, 08:12:20 AM
I dig what you're saying about the hunger to win....I KNOW AH has it and I'm sure that it rubs off on many of his teammates as well.   AH has been maligned by sports writers and broadcasters alike.....and I didn't dig both Henry Burris and our own Milt Stegall ragging on AH and Burris calling him a "cheater".

Yes, TSN went a bit over the top again this past weekend.  All 3 were ripping on AH's eligibility for the awards.  Two separate times two separate guys said if you get suspended for 2 games you should be ineligible (and they didn't specify PEDs).  Guess they all forgot Simoni Lawrence!  Funny that.  Doh.

I think all Bombers that were on the team for the '18 WF are going to have a hunger greater than that of CGY's.  AH the most, of course.  But also Bryant, Yoshi, Adams, Demski, Woli, Strev, Jeffcoat, Nevis, Fatboi, Alexander, Sayles, and Gaitor.  Those guys already lost to CGY @ McMahon in the playoffs once, by a couple of plays in the 4th.  I don't think they'll sit back and let it happen again.

Jefferson has his own brand of hunger, maybe for fame and money, I don't care as long as he brings the hunger!

Collaros is the x-factor.  Does he bring a hunger after mostly sitting on a bench for 2+ years?  Is his heart still in it?  Good thing I think we can win with sub-perfect QB play.  After all, Nichols didn't get us a single TD in the last match, and we almost won.  If we just manage a bit more O than that dismal game, I think we can win it.

And I really don't see much hunger on the CGY side.  Not like they showed in '18 after getting robbed of their rings in '17.  Hunger isn't something you can just whip up or pretend to have.  It has to be genuine.  Dickerson The Greater said in an interview somewhere that he "never wanted a game as badly" as the '18 GC.  I believe him.  I don't think he wants it as badly this year: badly yes; as badly, no.

Catfan will appreciate this, as his cats are probably as hungry as WPG!  After years of playoff letdowns, and having their last GC stolen from Speedy B, they finally have another chance.  That makes them extremely dangerous when WPG meets them in the GC.  ;D ;D  That is when we'll find out who is the hungriest!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: The Zipp on November 06, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
Going to be a chilly one in Calgary (although the weather can change on a dome there)



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TBURGESS on November 06, 2019, 01:44:47 PM
Fans love to make up scenarios that give their team an edge. Hunger is my current favourite. It's great cuz there's no way to measure it, no stats, just a term that doesn't mean much, but it's somehow our edge going into the playoffs.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue_or_die on November 06, 2019, 02:45:06 PM
Fans love to make up scenarios that give their team an edge. Hunger is my current favourite. It's great cuz there's no way to measure it, no stats, just a term that doesn't mean much, but it's somehow our edge going into the playoffs.

Don't act like it doesn't work both ways. If we are playing a team who just got their butts handed to them the previous week, we'd be worried that they will be angry and use that to up their game.

Sure they're subjective, but intangibles play a huge part. It's why we play the games.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TBURGESS on November 06, 2019, 03:21:31 PM
Don't act like it doesn't work both ways. If we are playing a team who just got their butts handed to them the previous week, we'd be worried that they will be angry and use that to up their game.

Sure they're subjective, but intangibles play a huge part. It's why we play the games.
It's not about intangibles. It's about winning. That's why we play the games.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: gobombersgo on November 06, 2019, 05:06:53 PM
@DarrinBauming
Chris Streveler appears able-bodied and involved at #Bombers practice today. Zach Collaros is running the 1s.

#Bombers starting centre Michael Couture is a non-participant today. It was nearly two weeks ago he left the game and did not return. Not a good sign. But the positive is Winnipeg's depth at OL.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue_or_die on November 06, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
It's not about intangibles. It's about winning. That's why we play the games.

And you win through a combination of skill, coaching, etc, etc. etc....and mental preparedness, for which I would file an immeasurable like determination...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Jesse on November 06, 2019, 05:31:01 PM
It's not about intangibles. It's about winning. That's why we play the games.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

Obviously it's about winning. It's the how and why we win that people start talking about intangibles.

I also don't believe in this hunger garbage that techno is spewing, but to say there aren't intangibles that affect the game is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TBURGESS on November 06, 2019, 05:40:13 PM
Are you intentionally missing the point?

Obviously it's about winning. It's the how and why we win that people start talking about intangibles.

I also don't believe in this hunger garbage that techno is spewing, but to say there aren't intangibles that affect the game is ridiculous.
What I said was intangibles aren't why we play the game because b_or_d said 'intangibles play a huge part. It's why we play the games'

Both teams want to win. Both teams are determined. Both teams are hungry. Both teams have a combination of skill, coaching, mental preparedness etc.

Winning comes down to which team plays better on the specific day, which team gets the breaks, and which team takes advantage of the other teams mistakes.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue_or_die on November 06, 2019, 07:05:06 PM
What I said was intangibles aren't why we play the game because b_or_d said 'intangibles play a huge part. It's why we play the games'

Both teams want to win. Both teams are determined. Both teams are hungry. Both teams have a combination of skill, coaching, mental preparedness etc.

Winning comes down to which team plays better on the specific day, which team gets the breaks, and which team takes advantage of the other teams mistakes.

Omg.

Both teams are never equal in all those things you listed. All those things you listed are intangibles. Intangibles have an effect on the outcome. One of the outcomes of a game is winning.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Omg.

Both teams are never equal in all those things you listed. All those things you listed are intangibles. Intangibles have an effect on the outcome. One of the outcomes of a game is winning.

And even if they are equal, they are still intangibles. You can't measure any of those in a quantifiable way, yet they can and do have an effect on the outcome of a game.

Amazing mental gymnastics by the resident contrarian... Amazing. What else is new, though.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TBURGESS on November 06, 2019, 07:16:32 PM
Omg.

Both teams are never equal in all those things you listed. All those things you listed are intangibles. Intangibles have an effect on the outcome. One of the outcomes of a game is winning.
Fans like to believe that their team is hungrier or want it more or are better prepared. Truth is both teams are hungry, both teams want it and both teams are prepared the best they can be. Mostly these things are equal.

Coaching and skill aren't intangibles.



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Jesse on November 06, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Omg.

Both teams are never equal in all those things you listed. All those things you listed are intangibles. Intangibles have an effect on the outcome. One of the outcomes of a game is winning.

Like our melt down in Toronto.

In the second half of that game, Toronto could smell the upset and they were simply overwhelming us. Toronto is not a better team than anyone, but they had something else going for them in the late stages of that game.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Jesse on November 06, 2019, 07:18:33 PM
Fans like to believe that their team is hungrier or want it more or are better prepared. Truth is both teams are hungry, both teams want it and both teams are prepared the best they can be. Mostly these things are equal.

Coaching and skill aren't intangibles.



No one said they were. You're simply being obtuse on this issue.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GCn19 on November 06, 2019, 07:21:55 PM
Fans like to believe that their team is hungrier or want it more or are better prepared. Truth is both teams are hungry, both teams want it and both teams are prepared the best they can be. Mostly these things are equal.

Coaching and skill aren't intangibles.



In most games played there is a team that wants it more than the other. That doesn't mean they will win, but it helps. To suggest that both teams are equal in both hunger or preparedness is nonsense. Almost never is this the case. On the odd occasion it is the case, skill usually wins out.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: GCn19 on November 06, 2019, 07:24:06 PM
Fans love to make up scenarios that give their team an edge. Hunger is my current favourite. It's great cuz there's no way to measure it, no stats, just a term that doesn't mean much, but it's somehow our edge going into the playoffs.

It's possible it could be an edge. We have to want it more than they do on the field and demonstrate it but it's not something you should discount. I mean your time playing flag football should have taught you that.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TBURGESS on November 06, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
It's possible it could be an edge. We have to want it more than they do on the field and demonstrate it but it's not something you should discount. I mean your time playing flag football should have taught you that.
You're confusing possible with probable. I guess your time playing flag football didn't teach you anything.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 06, 2019, 09:56:58 PM
You've been burned.


https://giphy.com/gifs/fiyQQLci4d1w6Njojo


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on November 06, 2019, 10:25:49 PM
So...anything from practice today?


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Pigskin on November 06, 2019, 11:28:56 PM
Sounds like about -16 with light snow, wind around 12 kmph at game time.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: bomb squad on November 06, 2019, 11:48:51 PM
Is Rogers a go for sure?


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2019, 02:20:00 PM
The Bomber win against the Stamps was as decisive a win as I would have hoped for. 116 yards passing for BLM? WOW. What else can we say about the performance of the team.

Defense was ferocious and key to our victory.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blitzer on November 20, 2019, 03:49:08 PM
The Bomber win against the Stamps was as decisive a win as I would have hoped for. 116 yards passing for BLM? WOW. What else can we say about the performance of the team.

Defense was ferocious and key to our victory.

The defense made Calgary look like an ordinary team. Calgary was shut out at home in the second half in the playoffs!! Since there's no Sask thread: Sask scored no touchdowns at home in their biggest game of the year! That is amazing. Go Bombers.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Point of attack on November 20, 2019, 04:02:35 PM
Well...I hope you guys beat them in their back yard so we don't have too.



 Catfan

Looks like you got your wish catfan.
But you know what they say...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue72 on November 20, 2019, 04:03:16 PM
Would like to see Harris and Augustine in the back field when Streveler comes in, this way we have the option of either Streveler, Harris, Demski, Augustine or just pass. Streveler up the middle doesn't work and teams are set for it, same as Harris.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
The defense made Calgary look like an ordinary team. Calgary was shut out at home in the second half in the playoffs!! Since there's no Sask thread: Sask scored no touchdowns at home in their biggest game of the year! That is amazing. Go Bombers.

Yes but the Riders still managed 350 yards passing and hurt themselves often as well. Considering how well we played against the Stamps that was alarming.

The defense did make some outstanding plays but that was a game that could have gone either way several times.

Evans is not as likely to run as Fajardo and that will help our DL get pressure from different looks.



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 20, 2019, 04:38:27 PM
Obviously the Cats are favourites however there is always the X factor and why we play the game.   As I said in the two previous wins over both the Stamps and Riders, I like our chances!!


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blitzer on November 20, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
Yes it could have gone either way. Maybe the better team won though. I needed tranquilizers after the game but eventually my nerves settled down.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blitzer on November 20, 2019, 04:44:02 PM


Evans is not as likely to run as Fajardo and that will help our DL get pressure from different looks.



Good point. The defense might be able to do to Hamilton what they did to Calgary. BLM looked rushed in the game.



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: blue_or_die on November 20, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Yes but the Riders still managed 350 yards passing and hurt themselves often as well. Considering how well we played against the Stamps that was alarming.

The defense did make some outstanding plays but that was a game that could have gone either way several times.

Evans is not as likely to run as Fajardo and that will help our DL get pressure from different looks.



"Alarming" might be too strong a word, lol.

We beat a tough team playing at home. I would have liked a more dominant performance that I believe we were capable of as well but how we won that game has nothing to do with how we will approach Hammy.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: lenny on November 20, 2019, 05:36:49 PM
Re the Riders game. The big passing yardage against is par for course with a Richie Hall D. After all they were 4rth worst in that category for the season (as it turns out the Ti-Cats are 5th). It all comes down to the Red Zone D though for Hall's D. In the Sask game they were outstanding.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2019, 05:44:49 PM
"Alarming" might be too strong a word, lol.

We beat a tough team playing at home. I would have liked a more dominant performance that I believe we were capable of as well but how we won that game has nothing to do with how we will approach Hammy.

I'd still call it alarming and the more typical R. Hall defense I'm used to seeing. We can't reply on 2 goal line stands and the last pass of the game hitting the crossbar.

While the WSF was a dominant performance the WDF was not. Yes the defense made some excellent plays that can be attributed to securing the victory but the game was in doubt in the 4th Q.

Evans is NOT a rookie. 2019 was his 2nd full season. He is less experienced than Fajardo but his overall stats are quite similar. Both have 72%+ season completion averages.

We need to pressure and force mistakes.

Hello Willie Jefferson. It's your game to shine.



Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
Re the Riders game. The big passing yardage against is par for course with a Richie Hall D. After all they were 4rth worst in that category for the season (as it turns out the Ti-Cats are 5th). It all comes down to the Red Zone D though for Hall's D. In the Sask game they were outstanding.

I'd say that's a bit of exaggeration. Riders putting in Bennett on 2nd and goal from the 1 yard line and messing up the play call to take a sack? Not exactly something we can credit to R. Hall.

Ditto for last pass hitting crossbar.

Even the int by Rose. Great read by him but you have to wonder if the oblique injury impacted the under throw. Perhaps it was pressure from DL but there were quite a few passes that were suspect.

Giving up 350 yards passing is never a good thing in a close game.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: lenny on November 20, 2019, 06:14:29 PM
I'd say that's a bit of exaggeration. Riders putting in Bennett on 2nd and goal from the 1 yard line and messing up the play call to take a sack? Not exactly something we can credit to R. Hall.

Ditto for last pass hitting crossbar.

Even the int by Rose. Great read by him but you have to wonder if the oblique injury impacted the under throw. Perhaps it was pressure from DL but there were quite a few passes that were suspect.

Giving up 350 yards passing is never a good thing in a close game.

I don't think there's much argument with what you're saying. But  a combination of luck and front-line D was very important. The short-yardage stoppage on Fajardo as an example and turnover on downs is a reflection of how the Bombers have been against the run all-season - #1 D. The passing yardage allowed has always been a concern on R. Hall's D and for a purportedly injured Fajardo is more concerning. Evans can easily duplicate that. The last time he played the Streveler led offence he ripped apart the secondary in the first half for huge passing yardage and they coasted to a win. So I don't think anyone should be under any illusions about the passing D with this team. Which all the more highlights the necessity of a pressure D on Evans.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2019, 06:22:06 PM
I don't think there's much argument with what you're saying. But  a combination of luck and front-line D was very important. The short-yardage stoppage on Fajardo as an example and turnover on downs is a reflection of how the Bombers have been against the run all-season - #1 D. The passing yardage allowed has always been a concern on R. Hall's D and for a purportedly injured Fajardo is more concerning. Evans can easily duplicate that. The last time he played the Streveler led offence he ripped apart the secondary in the first half for huge passing yardage and they coasted to a win. So I don't think anyone should be under any illusions about the passing D with this team. Which all the more highlights the necessity of a pressure D on Evans.

The secondary has changed so much since we last played Hamilton. Alexander at safety. Maston at SAM and Taylor at DHB.

If we get pressure from the DL as we did against BLM it helps our secondary. Evans and BLM are not as elusive as Fajardo in running or buying time to throw IMO. In that sense they are similar. Pressure and collapsing the pocket and they will make mistakes.

Essentially we need a repeat of the WSF kind of game strategy.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2019, 06:58:10 PM
The secondary has changed so much since we last played Hamilton. Alexander at safety. Maston at SAM and Taylor at DHB.

If we get pressure from the DL as we did against BLM it helps our secondary. Evans and BLM are not as elusive as Fajardo in running or buying time to throw IMO. In that sense they are similar. Pressure and collapsing the pocket and they will make mistakes.

Essentially we need a repeat of the WSF kind of game strategy.

Agree on the D side of the ball, but not on the O side.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: lenny on November 20, 2019, 07:17:04 PM
The secondary has changed so much since we last played Hamilton. Alexander at safety. Maston at SAM and Taylor at DHB.

If we get pressure from the DL as we did against BLM it helps our secondary. Evans and BLM are not as elusive as Fajardo in running or buying time to throw IMO. In that sense they are similar. Pressure and collapsing the pocket and they will make mistakes.

Essentially we need a repeat of the WSF kind of game strategy.

Since that game (16th week) the passing yds have been for the remainder of the season 300 yds, 266, 337 yds, 350 yds (4 TDs by BLM in the Stamps loss last game of the season). Of course BLM was shut down badly in the semis but in better weather and a wounded Fajardo he still managed 366 yds passing. I think personnel changes have had some effect in the back end but for me the main problem remains RH's defensive planning in-game and ability to adapt. What has remained a constant virtually all-season is their run-game defence. Alexander got no INTS at safety and he was part of the BLM drubbing (337 yds 3 TD).  October 18th. I like Maston a lot mainly because he played for my favourite NCAA team Boise State. He wasn't a big turnover guy with Boise St. in his 25 games getting only 1 INT but he was a good tackler. With the Eskies 2 seasons 2 INTS in 19 games. He's played good down the stretch. Taylor. Not a stand out but he did get that one pick six this season and him and Maston ganged up with picks in the semis against BLM.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2019, 08:54:25 PM
Agree on the D side of the ball, but not on the O side.

If we rush for nearly 200 yards again then we're going to win the game. In the WDF we were shut down pretty well.

Need a better balanced attack than last week which was part of my point.

Harris on offense and Jefferson on defense need to have big games on Sunday.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on November 20, 2019, 11:14:47 PM
If we rush for nearly 200 yards again then we're going to win the game. In the WDF we were shut down pretty well.

Need a better balanced attack than last week which was part of my point.

Harris on offense and Jefferson on defense need to have big games on Sunday.


Im not so sure about that now.

Having Zac now kinda throws a bit of a wrench into what teams see of us. IMO

Will we go to the run game?  Will we go to more or a passing game? Will Strev come in to just run?

We know what we will see pretty much...  they have no idea. In all the years Lapo has been around id bet hes got a pretty good size play book he can put in.

Confuse Evens is the key.


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 21, 2019, 09:02:49 AM
Hunger is nonsense, eh Tecno-bashers?  The hunger was palpable by WPG in both games.  You could feel it.  We also had the stronger morale, even when we were down/even.  In fact, we beat both teams in most intangibles.  The only intangible I would say we ever lost is when we lost the momentum in the 3rd/4th in SSK.  But, lucky for us, no one told our D!  D had hunger.

If you still want to fight about hunger, how about look at it from an individual player perspective: For example, compare the hunger of AH33 to CGY's Jackson.  Can you seriously argue that Jackson had the same hunger as AH?  You think Jackson really really wanted a GC visit as much as AH does deep down into his core?  Laughable.

How about Bighill vs non-entity Greenwood?  Bighill was possessed in both games.  He was critical in the SSK game.  Bighill has the hunger.  Greenwood, meh, just running around looking lost.  And you can't say Greenwood just isn't good, because everyone has been singing his praises (even here) all year as the next Singleton.

How about our DBs' hunger compared to SSK's?  Did you see our locked-in DBs in that final 3 minutes.  You see that unwavering laser focus?  You see that never-give-up mindset when any sane D would have folded because it looked impossible?

Sure, I think some players on CGY/SSK may have had more hunger than their respective counterparts on WPG, but they are in the minority.  (I may grant that Cody had more hunger than Collaros, for example.)  As a whole, we had more guys that wanted it more.

If you still don't believe me, then maybe I'm just not explaining it right, or my nomenclature is wrong.  But there's an intangible that I call hunger, and it's real.  And if that's so, and if WPG has more of it than HAM (which I believe) then we have a good chance to win it all.  If for some reason HAM has more hunger, I guarantee you we lose.

Oh ya, if you don't believe in "hunger", go argue with Bob & Doug because they talk about it in nearly every close or really hard-fought game.  "Came down to who wanted it more."  You can't say Doug doesn't know what he's talking about there...


Title: Re: Pre Game thread Blue Bomber at Stampeders Sunday November 10, 3:30 cst
Post by: Blue In BC on November 21, 2019, 02:41:13 PM

Im not so sure about that now.

Having Zac now kinda throws a bit of a wrench into what teams see of us. IMO

Will we go to the run game?  Will we go to more or a passing game? Will Strev come in to just run?

We know what we will see pretty much...  they have no idea. In all the years Lapo has been around id bet hes got a pretty good size play book he can put in.

Confuse Evens is the key.

If you can't show the ability to run well then defenses crowd the LOS and that impacts the passing game.

You don't have to run 50% of the time but you have to be able to have success when you do run.

Some of the " run " could also be short passes to Harris in the flat as well. That forces the defenses to cover the entire field.

You don't always want to pass on 2nd and 4 for example.

A. Harris has always been 30%+ of our offense and he needs to be a major part of the game plan. He's an unstoppable force.