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Title: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Knocker42 on August 28, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Seems Bombers have released Chris Matthews.
Wonder what the back-story is there.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Where did you hear that?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Knocker42 on August 28, 2019, 01:02:04 PM
Jeff Hamilton amongst others.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 01:03:38 PM
Sigh. Doing our best to not win the Grey Cup since 1990. :P

Might as well bring back Mike Kelly.  :D


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 28, 2019, 01:03:42 PM
Seems Bombers have released Chris Matthews.
Wonder what the back-story is there.

Maybe it's related to the bar incident last month, nothing much was said but maybe they were waiting for the investigation to be completed.  Doubt it's related to his play on the field as it has been improving.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
Well if that turns out to be true I hope it also means D. Adams is coming off the 6 game IR this week.



Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: DM83 on August 28, 2019, 01:06:55 PM
Shocking.
He didn't perform like the original Chris Matthews.
Did not seem to have the fire during games.
I would have thought they would have tried to trade him.
What's even worse, if they did,... And there were no takers.
To divest yourself of an assert for nothing, speaks volumes.

He actually did not produce much.  However, taking such a name out of the line up, has to raise the eyebrows of Def. Coord across the league.

Wow!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Norm W on August 28, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Bombers are full of surprises this week...

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/28/bombers-release-receiver-chris-mathews/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/08/28/bombers-release-receiver-chris-mathews/)


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Waffler on August 28, 2019, 01:09:59 PM
Maybe he was coming off for Santiago?  Didn't like it? Speculation.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Knocker42 on August 28, 2019, 01:11:16 PM
Having watched him in practice, I would say he looked to be the least "invested" of all the players.  Sometimes even seemed disinterested.  At first I thought he was easing back after injuries but it didn't seem to change.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: BlueInCgy on August 28, 2019, 01:11:39 PM
Freeing up space to sign Mike Reilly? (Clearly not, just adding to the rumour and speculation poll)


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
Freeing up space to sign Mike Reilly? (Clearly not, just adding to the rumour and speculation poll)

Haha. Hopefully it does free up some SMS space but he probably got lots up front.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: ModAdmin on August 28, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
Blue Bombers release receiver Chris Matthews

WINNIPEG, MB., August 20, 2019 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the club has released receiver Chris Matthews.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
He just hasn't performed like the bombers needed him to. Lawler was playing better. Maybe someone the bombers like is getting cut from the NFL?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:16:43 PM
Not getting any easier to win the game this week for Streveler. As I mentioned, I hope Adams is available but if he's not then who is next man up?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on August 28, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
WHAT IS HAPPENING


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Ducky on August 28, 2019, 01:19:17 PM
I am surprised but not surprised.  Surpised, on the heals of the Harris suspension, Nichols being injured, and heading into the Labour Day game they cut a veteran player.  Not surprised given his performance this year.  He may have more drops than receptions.  He has been underwhelming at best.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on August 28, 2019, 01:20:42 PM
Not getting any easier to win the game this week for Streveler. As I mentioned, I hope Adams is available but if he's not then who is next man up?

Lawler has stolen the spot that was supposed to go to Matthews. But yeah, until adams is back, we're a man down (in every position group).


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 01:21:20 PM
Guessing vet cut down day has something to do with it...  had to make a decision now or commit for the rest of the year...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 28, 2019, 01:23:10 PM
Big trades just don't happen. Hard to move salary for salary. CFL is a catch-and-release league.

Don't know what's going on here, but the timing of this is sure surprising. You'd figure we need all of the veteran leadership we could muster. I suppose he may not have been providing any of that.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Lawler has stolen the spot that was supposed to go to Matthews. But yeah, until adams is back, we're a man down (in every position group).

I'm not so sure about the Lawler comment. He's been close to invisible the last couple of games.

16 receptions in 10 games and only 263 total yards.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
Yes, his numbers aren't great. But we really don't throw the ball like other teams.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 28, 2019, 01:27:59 PM
Receivers don't exactly figure prominently in this offence. Spending big dollars on one isn't a wise use of the SMS.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2019, 01:28:08 PM
I'm not so sure about the Lawler comment. He's been close to invisible the last couple of games.

16 receptions in 10 games and only 263 total yards.

true but so has every receiver on the team - we just didn't throw much last game...i don't even think he got a target in Edmonton.  Is that his fault?  maybe a bit but he has proven he can make catches


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2019, 01:29:09 PM
wish i could say it's cause the Bombers have an inside scoop on Zylstra being released but I doubt that is in the works...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on August 28, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
Lawler is the best receiver on the team, playing in a spot, so it seems,  where he is not a featured Choice? (Bowman last season)

Something smells funny ....all of a sudden?.  Why can't Bombers make use of ALL their receivers.
Who do they replace Matthews with?  Is Adams coming off IR?
Why? Is it related to the stabbing, drug deal gone bad?

Make the deal for Reilly!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Sully77 on August 28, 2019, 01:31:19 PM
I hope and looks like Bailey will get his shot now. Been waiting for this time.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: picksix on August 28, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
Put wolly in is spot and start peterman at wide spot. Streveller doesn?t throw the ball anyway.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on August 28, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
Aren't we past vet cut down day for Matthews? If so, no SMS relief.

This is the 2nd biggest surprise of the week.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: booch on August 28, 2019, 01:33:40 PM
sept is vet cut down date


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 01:37:18 PM
Aren't we past vet cut down day for Matthews? If so, no SMS relief.

This is the 2nd biggest surprise of the week.

He only has four years CFL experience, so no.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2019, 01:37:58 PM
From bob Irving:

Darvin Adams expected return this week is part of the reason for the release of Chris Mathews. Mathews contract for this year would have been guaranteed after Friday but his salary isn?t prohibitive so this is more of a football decision than a ?cap? decision.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: 1chad on August 28, 2019, 01:40:04 PM
Wow.  I was really looking forward to seeing Adams, Matthews and Lawler tie defenses in knots.  Not happening now.  :(


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 01:40:09 PM
As per Article 15 of the CBA, players of certain veteran status must be paid their full salary, pension, playoff and Grey Cup earnings if they are released after a certain point in the season.
Qualified as a Veteran of    Entitled to 100% salary after

Six years or more    9th Regular Season game
Five years    10th Regular Season game
Four years    11th Regular Season game



By my calculations, Matthews is a 4 year vet.  Next game his contract is guaranteed...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BlueInCgy on August 28, 2019, 01:43:26 PM
So our offensive game plan for the next few games

1.  Streveler run
2.  Streveler run
3.  Streveler run

Better sign a few more QBs, cause he's going to get hammered.

The good news is we pretty much have the East Crossover locked up at this point.....


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on August 28, 2019, 01:45:58 PM
I forgot Matthews was only a 4 year vet. The timing makes perfect sense now.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 28, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
So our offensive game plan for the next few games

1.  Streveler run
2.  Streveler run
3.  Streveler run

Better sign a few more QBs, cause he's going to get hammered.

The good news is we pretty much have the East Crossover locked up at this point.....

That might have been our game plan anyway, but releasing Matthews is irrelevant to that. Adams is on his way back and is a better receiver than Matthews anyway.

Wish this would've worked out better for us, but he's had issues at times and the ball he dropped last game was completely inexcusable...

I don't think he's completely done as Bowman was last year, but it wasn't working out here.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: booch on August 28, 2019, 01:50:52 PM
If Adams is back tho...that will go a long way in helping out Streveler and the offence...kind of like Dressler was for us...calming effect..seen it all...second QB almost on the field


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
Lawler is the best receiver on the team, playing in a spot, so it seems,  where he is not a featured Choice? (Bowman last season)

Something smells funny ....all of a sudden?.  Why can't Bombers make use of ALL their receivers.
Who do they replace Matthews with?  Is Adams coming off IR?
Why? Is it related to the stabbing, drug deal gone bad?

Make the deal for Reilly!

Lawler has some upside but I'd hardly call him our best receiver at this point. Getting Adams back is a relief though.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on August 28, 2019, 01:51:51 PM
How many games is Adams even healthy? He seems Dressler like that way.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 01:52:27 PM
Lawler has some upside but I'd hardly call him our best receiver at this point. Getting Adams back is a relief though.

I disagree. I think he's our most talented receiver when Darvin's out of the lineup.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2019, 01:53:44 PM
MOS expects his players to work hard every play...Mathews didn't look slow cause of his gait and size...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on August 28, 2019, 01:54:43 PM
Who would be better?
He can go deep,
He catches the ball over the middle
He can block

Nobody does it better....James Bomd.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: the paw on August 28, 2019, 01:55:54 PM
It likely has to do with needing to release him now, in order to avoid his salary for the balance of the year.  If they aren't happy with production, then they needed to make the move before this game rather than take a wait-and-see approach.  

It will be interesting to see who slots in, but it would not surprise me to see Santiago start at RB and Petermann in the slot.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
Who would be better?
He can go deep,
He catches the ball over the middle
He can block

Nobody does it better....James Bomd.

 Adams, then Demski and Whitehead.  All of them can go deep or take short passes and split the defenses.

I think Lawler has some upside but he's not close to our best or productive receiver at this point in time.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on August 28, 2019, 01:59:23 PM
It likely has to do with needing to release him now, in order to avoid his salary for the balance of the year.  If they aren't happy with production, then they needed to make the move before this game rather than take a wait-and-see approach.  

It will be interesting to see who slots in, but it would not surprise me to see Santiago start at RB and Petermann in the slot.

It looks like Adams is back so Petermann still might not see the field much. If they decide to hold Adams back a little longer than I'd expect an import off the PR to be activated.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 28, 2019, 02:05:54 PM
Adams, then Demski and Whitehead.  All of them can go deep or take short passes and split the defenses.

I think Lawler has some upside but he's not close to our best or productive receiver at this point in time.

I fear the Bomber receiving corp. is getting small, once again.  They always migrate to smaller receivers, Nelson, Whitehead, Grant, Walker, are all smallish guys, the only size they have is Lawler, Adams, Woli and Malcolm Williams on the PR.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 28, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
What a waste of talent! Good cut good timing as long as Adams is back and ready.

He is official in the Adarius Bowman class.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: rubanski on August 28, 2019, 02:15:48 PM
The social media chatter seems to be locker room related. I guess the guaranteed salary + mediocre production + half baked practice effort + stabbing incident = Mr Matthews cut.

Who knows if his head was ever in it, but too bad his heart wasn't in it anymore.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on August 28, 2019, 02:17:36 PM
Put Willie in at receiver.  He apparently has the best hands on the team and he can block for all Strev's running.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 28, 2019, 02:20:59 PM
No surprise with Matthews...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Norm W on August 28, 2019, 02:28:25 PM
Weird week in Bomberland... So any bets on were he lands? BC or Sask? or doe he go east? Hamilton, perhaps Ottawa?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 02:33:45 PM
Team saves SMS (allowing them to bring Adams off the 6 game early), opens up a roster spot for Santiago (if Adams can't go), resolves a question mark and sends a message to the rest of the team... and the league...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 28, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
Prob Matthews sold the supplement to Harris.
lol nice one!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews
Post by: BigBlueCrew on August 28, 2019, 02:56:14 PM
Not getting any easier to win the game this week for Streveler. As I mentioned, I hope Adams is available but if he's not then who is next man up?

Matthews sure didn't help Strev out last week. He was brought in to be a difference maker and he has been anything but. If anything we should applaud the Bombers for not sitting on a problem. Heck, most posters in here were saying we should get rid of him a month ago. Now that it happened people can't believe it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 28, 2019, 03:04:33 PM
I fear the Bomber receiving corp. is getting small, once again.  They always migrate to smaller receivers, Nelson, Whitehead, Grant, Walker, are all smallish guys, the only size they have is Lawler, Adams, Woli and Malcolm Williams on the PR.

So 3/5 of the starters are big guys... and Bailey is decent sized too


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 03:11:37 PM
We have enough height. Milt Stegall is 6 foot. Being tall isn't as big a benefit in the CFL as it is the NFL.

Darvin is 6 foot 2. Wolitarsky is 6 foot 2. Lawler is 6 foot 3. We're not a jump ball team.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 28, 2019, 03:27:41 PM
Matthews was a disappointment for sure....his work ethic was not helping matters either and his route running when he wasn't the primary target was lackadaisical at best.   Plus he signed for significant $$....the writing was on the wall and perhaps he knew it?   I was hoping his size and big game experience would be an asset especially in the playoffs but like Bowman, he just didn't earn his place on the team and MOS would not support this kind of player for long.   Hope Adams can stay healthy because we need s deep threat with experience.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
Matthews' release doesn't surprise me but it's still disappointing. I was expecting big things from him but he has struggled, be it due to system or lack of execution. Looks like it's time for another receiver to step up. Not like this offense is a pass first one, but it'd be nice to see more production going forward.

How many games is Adams even healthy? He seems Dressler like that way.

He missed one game last season and three in 2017. By comparison, Dressler missed five last season and seven in 2017. It's not a valid comparison.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bomb squad on August 28, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
I didn't think he was playing that bad. Sure, more was expected, but you could say that for all of our receivers. Others have dropped their share of passes as well. Any issues with passing production are system and team execution related IMO. You could get Rogers, Walker, Lewis, Zylstra, whoever, and it won't change until we get those issues straightened out.

Somebody will pick him up for sure. He's a big target and he's good. Not sure at all about this move.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
The "stabbing" turned into a "puncture wound", and no charges ended up being laid AFAIK

 
I would kill to see Willie as the TE on a goal line stand... perfect for the toss it up 50 50 ball...  


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 28, 2019, 03:41:34 PM
I didn't think he was playing that bad. Sure, more was expected, but you could say that for all of our receivers. Others have dropped their share of passes as well. Any issues with passing production are system and team execution related IMO. You could get Rogers, Walker, Lewis, Zylstra, whoever, and it won't change until we get those issues straightened out.

Somebody will pick him up for sure. He's a big target and he's good. Not sure at all about this move.
I am he sucked.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
The Z man would be a nice pickup. I think the Vikings are not finished with him just yet.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 03:44:11 PM
Terrible decision. Already short Nichols and Harris and now we do this?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 03:47:59 PM
I didn't think he was playing that bad. Sure, more was expected, but you could say that for all of our receivers. Others have dropped their share of passes as well. Any issues with passing production are system and team execution related IMO. You could get Rogers, Walker, Lewis, Zylstra, whoever, and it won't change until we get those issues straightened out.

Somebody will pick him up for sure. He's a big target and he's good. Not sure at all about this move.

This is a Mike O'Shea team.  The fact that anyone has commented on his less than 110% effort every practice, every play says that even a current Grey Cup ring and an almost MVP Superbowl appearance isn't enough to keep your job on an MOS team if you are not giving a full effort, every minute of the day.  No place for prima-donnas here.  Lunchboxes.  

I guess this is the 2019 version

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Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 03:48:38 PM
Terrible decision. Already short Nichols and Harris and now we do this?

Better than paying him the rest of the year to keep a player that wants to be on the field out of the lineup...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2019, 03:51:28 PM
The "stabbing" turned into a "puncture wound", and no charges ended up being laid AFAIK
 
I would kill to see Willie as the TE on a goal line stand... perfect for the toss it up 50 50 ball...  

That's a terrible idea.

Terrible decision. Already short Nichols and Harris and now we do this?

Well, it isn't like Matthews has set the league on fire. His production has been paltry at best. Another receiver getting paid less can do exactly just as much as he has. It sucks it had to come to this but it is what it is. The team also doesn't take the hit SMS-wise.

This is a Mike O'Shea team.  The fact that anyone has commented on his less than 110% effort every practice, every play says that even a current Grey Cup ring and an almost MVP Superbowl appearance isn't enough to keep your job on an MOS team if you are not giving a full effort, every minute of the day.  No place for prima-donnas here.

Who's commented on his effort at practice? IIRC, Nichols raved about getting Matthews.

It's amazing how quick you turn on players. Matthews isn't a prima donna.

Better than paying him the rest of the year to keep a player that wants to be on the field out of the lineup...

And another ridiculous comment.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Jets on August 28, 2019, 03:57:43 PM
Please remember the code of conduct:

Refrain from posting unfounded or unofficial information about Blue Bomber players, management or coaches including unsupported rumors


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on August 28, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
We aren't going to be picking up Zylstra or anything like him. Matthews was "underperforming" and/or we cut him simply because this is clearly not the offense we will be running with the tools we have and therefore it's not worth it to pay him. If we kept Matthews or signed Zylstra it doesn't change the fact that we would hardly ever throw to them. We have a long ball guy in Darvin who we use every once in a while I guess. Otherwise, we run an extremely bland ball possession type of offense made up of tiny conservative passes and hand-offs to a stud RB (who won't even be with us for these next 2 games against our biggest rival and who could overtake us by sweeping us).


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: limodriver on August 28, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
We are deep at receiver and Darvin Adams is coming back.  We will be okay


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: swansong on August 28, 2019, 04:15:04 PM
i don't even think he got a target in Edmonton. 

He had at least 3 that I remember. One went right through his hands....one he caught across the middle and one he dug out of the dirt that was called incomplete.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 04:48:56 PM
You're 8-2 and you're cutting a leader. Bad move


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 05:03:51 PM
You're 8-2 and you're cutting a leader. Bad move

We all wanted the Chris Matthews that won rookie of the year, and that who we were told we signed.  Regardless if he was "used improperly", if he was getting open and making plays, he'd be the primary target every play.   Any lack of use was due, in part, to his unimpressive play.

I am sad that it did not work out, he was a big off season catch, and he said all the right things about "coming home".  But I am happy the team is making tough decisions, and is not afraid to admit they whiffed.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on August 28, 2019, 05:15:34 PM
Leader?

Of what......first blue Bomber in forty years to be tasererd by the police?

Have some sense man. Matthews was awful.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on August 28, 2019, 05:24:14 PM
You're 8-2 and you're cutting a leader. Bad move

I gotta agree with some of the others here, in what way was Matthews a leader?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2019, 05:28:21 PM
Nice lunch bag, I need two of them. Can you buy those at the bomber store?

6 games. 12 rec, 180 yards, 15 yards per, 1TD. Catch 12 of 23 pass throw his way. Not enough production for a high paid receiver?

Or does it have to do with what he does away from the field.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 28, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
You're 8-2 and you're cutting a leader. Bad move

A leader? I don't see that at all. I mean, I'd have loved if we were getting a great receiver when we added him... I don't think we were ever getting a leader, though...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on August 28, 2019, 05:38:52 PM
A leader? I don't see that at all. I mean, I'd have loved if we were getting a great receiver when we added him... I don't think we were ever getting a leader, though...

Word was he helped other guys in practice a fair bit.  But that doesn't keep you around as a player. 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 05:42:21 PM
Leader?

Of what......first blue Bomber in forty years to be tasererd by the police?

Have some sense man. Matthews was awful.
As in he seemed to be the leader of the receiver group, one that is also very young i might add. I'm surprised in all your years of pee wee coaching you didnt realize leadership is important


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 05:44:03 PM
Word was he helped other guys in practice a fair bit.  But that doesn't keep you around as a player. 
That's fair. But at the same time, he and Lawler have been similar output wise. Plus apparently we didn't save much cutting him. It just seems completely unnecessary


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue newt on August 28, 2019, 05:52:26 PM
Word was he helped other guys in practice a fair bit.  But that doesn't keep you around as a player. 

I'm disappointed he didn't do as much this season as we all thought he could.  But this cut doesn't surprise me (simply because, like many here, I expected a lot more from him).

And I agree with you that being a leader and helping the other players is great, but it doesn't keep you on the team.  Otherwise, we'd still have Dressler (who, in hindsight, definitely seemed a more clutch player than Matthews).  The team needs to move on, and clearly O'Shea thinks he has enough other talent on the PR to fill Matthews shoes, or he probably wouldn't have agreed to the cut.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 05:56:29 PM
Word was he helped other guys in practice a fair bit.  But that doesn't keep you around as a player. 

That was said early in his tenure, but hadn't heard it lately.  Not sure if the younger player put him on a pedestal for appearing in a SuperBowl, have to admit that was a pretty cool notch on the belt... not sure if that wore out after telling the story enough times... I know if I was a young rec, and he came onto the scene, I'd want to hear the stories from "the show"..

Posters here who watched practice noticed a lack of effort, and we saw it in game...  there were flat out drops of the type that you'd expect from Bowman, and I don't remember any catches that were "wow"..  when a fan remembers more drops than catches, that's not good.  And we all know, MOS does not stand for lack of effort, ever.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Buck on August 28, 2019, 05:58:06 PM
I'm thinking there is way more to this than any of us know.  Kyle Walters isn't an idiot, he wouldn't just cut a guy for no reason.  My best guess would be it is a combination of the off-field, locker-room, and on-field production.  You can put up with a guy who isn't producing as much as expected if they are busting their *** and being a true leader.  If the team thought he was ready to break out, there's no way this would happen.  I trust Walters to do what is best for the Blue Bombers.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bomb squad on August 28, 2019, 05:59:23 PM
I'm disappointed he didn't do as much this season as we all thought he could.  But this cut doesn't surprise me (simply because, like many here, I expected a lot more from him).

And I agree with you that being a leader and helping the other players is great, but it doesn't keep you on the team.  Otherwise, we'd still have Dressler (who, in hindsight, definitely seemed a more clutch player than Matthews).  The team needs to move on, and clearly O'Shea thinks he has enough other talent on the PR to fill Matthews shoes, or he probably wouldn't have agreed to the cut.


If he's going to cut him and let another team get him, he better have more in mind than just "filling his shoes".


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 28, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
A very important factor in this decision was likely positional.  Watching from training camp it was clear that the best position for BOTH Matthews and Darvin Adams was boundary wideout (x receiver).  They tried each of them in the slot occasionally but I got the impression that Matthews was NOT suited to a slotback position (too slow perhaps?) and moving Darvin meant taking your best receiver out of his best position...which is not ideal.

The emergence of Lawlor, whose skill set seems very well suited to the slot...moreso than either Darvin or Matthews meant that now you can only play 1 of Darvin and Matthews...And Adams is clearly the better receiver.

Now you could move Wolitarski inside and play Matthews at Field Wideout, but that's a position that doesn't get thrown a lot of balls and seems a waste of an import...and Woli is really good at that spot.

In other words, Matthews was a victim of his ability to only play 1 position in the receiving corps and the fact that he wasn't good enough to beat Adams out for that position.

In camp and in games Matthews doesn't look very fast to me...has trouble getting separation.  He still has his size but we already have two tall receivers at both wideouts.  We want the speed of Demski, Lucky and Lawlor inside.  So no place for Matthews except as Darvin's backup and let's face it, he's not sticking around at his salary to do that.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue newt on August 28, 2019, 06:05:10 PM
I'm thinking there is way more to this than any of us know.  Kyle Walters isn't an idiot, he wouldn't just cut a guy for no reason.  My best guess would be it is a combination of the off-field, locker-room, and on-field production.  You can put up with a guy who isn't producing as much as expected if they are busting their *** and being a true leader.  If the team thought he was ready to break out, there's no way this would happen.  I trust Walters to do what is best for the Blue Bombers.

I do too.  Whatever the full reason for the release was, it would not have been made lightly, and was clearly the best decision that the team thought they could make.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on August 28, 2019, 06:06:45 PM
My guess is that Sask will pick up Matthews as we are their next opponents and they will want to pick his brain as much as they can. But, IMHO, BC is the team who actually needs him, Reilly can throw the long 50/50 ball to him and hope he catches it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 28, 2019, 06:09:11 PM
That's a terrible idea.

just because aards posted it doesn't mean it's a terrible idea. Jefferson's played TE before and has phenomenal hands for someone his size, he'd probably actually be a very good jump ball receiver

As in he seemed to be the leader of the receiver group, one that is also very young i might add. I'm surprised in all your years of pee wee coaching you didnt realize leadership is important

I've never heard anything that painted him as a leader at any point in his football career, but of course, I wouldn't know who the leaders are. Still, if they just need a leader, I'm sure Dressler could've caught 12 passes in 6 games without dropping a bunch.

He was coming out of the lineup with Adams returning... he hasn't been productive, he's had some bad drops. Don't see a point in keeping him around. Depth is important but if the depth is a player that wasn't playing well anyway, it doesn't help much. Also a possibility that a player like Matthews wasn't crazy about the idea of being a backup.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: heart of gold on August 28, 2019, 06:14:13 PM
So our offensive game plan for the next few games

1.  Streveler run
2.  Streveler run
3.  Streveler run

Better sign a few more QBs, cause he's going to get hammered.

The good news is we pretty much have the East Crossover locked up at this point.....


Do we even have to dress any slot backs or wide receivers?  Can we just add a few more o-linemen and a couple of tight ends?   ;D


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: lenny on August 28, 2019, 06:25:22 PM
No loss. Healthy scratch mean't a lot. Looks like little desire on and off the field issues.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 07:03:35 PM
No loss. Healthy scratch mean't a lot. Looks like little desire on and off the field issues.
Like getting stabbed. Leave off the field issues off the forum unless you actually have something


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 07:04:08 PM
First Bowman, now Matthew's. Can't blame other receivers for not wanting to sign here


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Donny C on August 28, 2019, 07:05:42 PM
First Bowman, now Matthew's. Can't blame other receivers for not wanting to sign here

Neither of these guys performed!

Bowman had enough chances to make something happen, he didn't. Who picked up Bowman after WPG? Nobody.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
First Bowman, now Matthew's. Can't blame other receivers for not wanting to sign here

Really?  I guess the receivers that won't want to sign here are expecting to get paid whether or not they produce...  and I'm OK with that.  On the other hand, I can use names like Adams, Whitehead, Lawler as reasons why a rec would want to sign here...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on August 28, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
My guess is that Sask will pick up Matthews as we are their next opponents and they will want to pick his brain as much as they can. But, IMHO, BC is the team who actually needs him, Reilly can throw the long 50/50 ball to him and hope he catches it.

Guarantee he will not be a Rider, most likely back to Calgary.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 07:15:45 PM
Neither of these guys performed!

Bowman had enough chances to make something happen, he didn't. Who picked up Bowman after WPG? Nobody.

Truth be told, he had a decent finish to his year / career in Montreal after we traded him there for a conditional 8th... whose condition was not met...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 07:16:35 PM
Really?  I guess the receivers that won't want to sign here are expecting to get paid whether or not they produce...  and I'm OK with that.  On the other hand, I can use names like Adams, Whitehead, Lawler as reasons why a rec would want to sign here...
Must've missed where Lawler has gotten more than a few targets a game with the exception of one game. Same with Lucky. Take away his one breakout game and he's been streaky at best especially in terms of targets.

Doug Brown said he thinks it was just Matthew's wasn't able to flourish in our offense and I tend to agree.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on August 28, 2019, 07:18:10 PM
Neither of these guys performed!

Bowman had enough chances to make something happen, he didn't. Who picked up Bowman after WPG? Nobody.
I'm just saying. 2 years in a row we have signed a guy. Had a big press.conference and made a big thing of it. 2 years in a row they get cut or traded after limited success. Bowman was bad, Matthew's was underutilized


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Donny C on August 28, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Must've missed where Lawler has gotten more than a few targets a game with the exception of one game. Same with Lucky. Take away his one breakout game and he's been streaky at best especially in terms of targets.

Doug Brown said he thinks it was just Matthew's wasn't able to flourish in our offense and I tend to agree.

Doug Brown is out to lunch on this one. WPG had gone downfield more than the majority of the teams in the league.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Donny C on August 28, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
I'm just saying. 2 years in a row we have signed a guy. Had a big press.conference and made a big thing of it. 2 years in a row they get cut or traded after limited success. Bowman was bad, Matthew's was underutilized

Greg Carr was also bad.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: lenny on August 28, 2019, 07:26:38 PM
Like getting stabbed. Leave off the field issues off the forum unless you actually have something

What are you blabbering about?Never stated a bloody thing about that.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: VictorRomano on August 28, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
What a waste of talent! Good cut good timing as long as Adams is back and ready.

He is official in the Adarius Bowman class.

I made a similar comment to a friend when I heard this - Matthews is this year's Kenny Stafford - a once-skilled and hungry vet who leaned on his previous accomplishments, but came up fat and lazy on game day.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on August 28, 2019, 07:41:22 PM
Neither of these guys performed!

Bowman had enough chances to make something happen, he didn't. Who picked up Bowman after WPG? Nobody.

Montreal did.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 07:46:41 PM
I made a similar comment to a friend when I heard this - Matthews is this year's Kenny Stafford - a once-skilled and hungry vet who leaned on his previous accomplishments, but came up fat and lazy on game day.

He seemed in shape to me and I'm not sure he was lazy. He just wasn't head and shoulders above any of our other receivers and he was paid like he was. He's got 180 yards receiving in 6 games. Whitehead leads us with 378 in 10 games but 241 of that is YAC. None of our receivers are going to put up impressive numbers. It's not possible with our offense. There are 20 other receivers ahead of Lucky across the league.

Look at it this way, Matthews had more yards in four games with Calgary (252) than he has all year with us (180).


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on August 28, 2019, 07:57:47 PM
Do you watch the games?
Matthews jogged his patterns, was casual and. Never out fought anyone. For the ball.  It was like he was. Sleepy, lethargic, aren't those characteristics of someone who is .......!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
Do you watch the games?
Matthews jogged his patterns, was casual and. Never out fought anyone. For the ball.  It was like he was. Sleepy, lethargic, aren't those characteristics of someone who is .......!

He jogged his patterns? Where were all the threads before today on the topic? Surely a starting receiver who was not even running on game day would have drawn a lot of attention. Feel free to link all the prior outrage. I must have missed it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on August 28, 2019, 08:08:50 PM
Yeah,  I know, that why I asked if you watched  the games.Thanks for clarifying.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 28, 2019, 08:18:03 PM
Being a healthy scratch earlier in the season when he came back from injury told us that something wasn't as we'd expected it to be.

The police-involved incident a few weeks ago told us things that weren't/aren't exactly clear, likely weren't terribly positive.

Performance on the field did not warrant continued employment.

When it comes to on field performance, there has been a lot of chatter here about Nichols and Streveler and the lack of a passing game. There's a chicken and egg thing here, too. It's easy to target the QB, because that's where the TV camera is pointed, but there are doubtless other factors at play here, too. We may have seen the result of that today.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue girl on August 28, 2019, 09:02:07 PM
I'm surprised that they're saying that he was beat out by Lawler. I haven't seen Lawler do much.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 28, 2019, 09:09:29 PM
I'm surprised that they're saying that he was beat oit by Lawler. I haven't seen Lawler do much.

Exactly...  your statement says everything.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 28, 2019, 10:17:03 PM
I'm thinking there is way more to this than any of us know.  Kyle Walters isn't an idiot, he wouldn't just cut a guy for no reason.  My best guess would be it is a combination of the off-field, locker-room, and on-field production.  You can put up with a guy who isn't producing as much as expected if they are busting their *** and being a true leader.  If the team thought he was ready to break out, there's no way this would happen.  I trust Walters to do what is best for the Blue Bombers.

This is the best post in this thread, and I totally agree as it mirrors my thoughts.

As much as many may hate to admit it (myself included), Hypnotoad completely called this. My assumption/ gut feeling was that Matthews wasn't applying himself (the stats through the games were not lying), and somewhere between not sticking on the Seahawks' roster after playing well and Calgary not keeping him, the optimist in me was saying "sometimes things just don't work out. Let's hope that a change of scenery is better for him". But you could also say the same thing about Duron Carter.

The other interesting thing that made me wonder was that Matthews just didn't seem to be targeted like a big name offseason signing would indicate. And without checking the actual targets per game, just based on watching the games, Matthews appeared to have never really been favoured at any point; not even in the first couple of games. It's not like I'd ever felt that it trailed off. It was the exact same feeling that I had with Adarius Bowman last year.....just wasn't targeted like a guy of his calibre should have been, which would suggest that someone (QB, team, LaPolice, O'Shea, Pierce, etc) never was impressed enough to throw the ball his way to begin with. If someone has attitude issues and expects to be treated like a star, this is not the team to be doing it with.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2019, 10:41:13 PM
just because aards posted it doesn't mean it's a terrible idea. Jefferson's played TE before and has phenomenal hands for someone his size, he'd probably actually be a very good jump ball receiver

My opinion has literally nothing to do with who posted it. The logic is simple: Jefferson is arguably the best defender on this team. Giving him reps on offense when he's already starting on defense and on special teams is a terrible idea.

First Bowman, now Matthew's. Can't blame other receivers for not wanting to sign here

There's no correlation between those two failed signings and trying to get other receivers to sign here. You basically contradict yourself with that silly comment.

He jogged his patterns? Where were all the threads before today on the topic? Surely a starting receiver who was not even running on game day would have drawn a lot of attention. Feel free to link all the prior outrage. I must have missed it.

Hilarious how quickly some posters just turn on players after their release, eh? Basically like greenies with that petulant behaviour.

Matthews' work ethic was not an issue. Anyone trying to frame him as lazy or not a team player is letting emotional bias to the WFC influence his/her opinion.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2019, 10:45:36 PM
Lawler is a little younger, gets paid much less, and has better numbers.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 28, 2019, 10:47:32 PM
My opinion has literally nothing to do with who posted it. The logic is simple: Jefferson is arguably the best defender on this team. Giving him reps on offense when he's already starting on defense and on special teams is a terrible idea.

There's no correlation between those two failed signings and trying to get other receivers to sign here. You basically contradict yourself with that silly comment.

Hilarious how quickly some posters just turn on players after their release, eh? Basically like greenies with that petulant behaviour.

Matthews' work ethic was not an issue. Anyone trying to frame him as lazy or not a team player is letting emotional bias to the WFC influence his/her opinion.
No Mathews work ethic was continually questioned in this forum. I questioned his work ethic shown in the games  and many other have in games and going as far back as his five participant visits in camp.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2019, 10:55:54 PM
No Mathews work ethic was continually questioned in this forum. I questioned his work ethic shown in the games  and many other have in games and going as far back as his five participant visits in camp.

Substantiate your claim, then. That's how burden of proof works.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 28, 2019, 10:58:50 PM
Substantiate your claim, then. That's how burden of proof works.
I do not have time to sift through pages of past postings. Sorry.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 28, 2019, 11:05:32 PM
Not sure if anyone posted about Jefferson wearing Matthews #13 at practice today.   Apparently they hung out together away from the field.....MOS was ok with it!   We need a BIG game from #5 so hope he's ok with it but it's got to be a bit of a downer for him!

Man....as if we need any more adversity!?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2019, 11:06:40 PM
I mentioned multiple times that he was looking slow in his route running and was told it was because he was so tall it just looked slow.  I stand by my observations that he was a slow route runner.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2019, 11:14:23 PM
I do not have time to sift through pages of past postings. Sorry.

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Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Tehedra on August 29, 2019, 12:34:45 AM
I also remember people making comments about throws Mathews should have caught that he didn't; I mean Matthews will bounce back and probably have a great season.  Most likely end up in Sask like most of the players we release just before vet count down day. He wasn't producing for his salary the team and Lawler needs to get on the field.  Lawler makes things happens and attempts to catch in the middle and in traffic.  He is definitely fighting for the ball more than we seen Matthews.  Doesn't make Matthews a bad receiver; we just have Darvin coming back and he didn't fit our scheme well.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: dd on August 29, 2019, 12:41:32 AM
The guy simply wasn?t producing on the field and was getting into trouble off it. Those 2 things usually end up with a player being released. Moving on with a little more cap space.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 29, 2019, 12:49:32 AM
The guy simply wasn?t producing on the field and was getting into trouble off it. Those 2 things usually end up with a player being released. Moving on with a little more cap space.
yup and we are deep at receiver


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 29, 2019, 12:50:28 AM
Guess since Streveler is not going to pass much, it makes sense to release Matthews as his salary was not small.  Just hope Streveler can run like he did last week and our D holds up or it is going to be a massacre for the Riders.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 29, 2019, 12:53:52 AM
Don't forget CM was benched and the only reason he played in Toronto was because Adams got hurt.

He was a healthy scratch - that was reported by multiple people including Bob Irving so this really isn't a huge shock.  He was getting benched when Adams returned. 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 29, 2019, 12:56:55 AM
Don't forget CM was benched and the only reason he played in Toronto was because Adams got hurt.

He was a healthy scratch - that was reported by multiple people including Bob Irving so this really isn't a huge shock.  He was getting benched when Adams returned. 

Next guy up, someone got cut.

Guess since Streveler is not going to pass much, it makes sense to release Matthews as his salary was not small.  Just hope Streveler can run like he did last week and our D holds up or it is going to be a massacre for the Riders.

Has nothing to do with it.  Riders can't massacre us.  Beat us sure, but we will go down swinging.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 29, 2019, 01:05:49 AM
Matthews also strikes me as a guy who obviously had enough natural talent to shine (his rookie season here was great), but as he aged, maybe as other players had got a step or three on him, he just didn't do enough or work hard enough to counter the reality that sports is generally a young person's game and that there's always someone younger and hungrier for your job.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 29, 2019, 01:28:14 AM
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Ya I know. Sorry to catch you on a crap night 84. Enjoy your LDC weekend!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 29, 2019, 01:29:40 AM
Matthews also strikes me as a guy who obviously had enough natural talent to shine (his rookie season here was great), but as he aged, maybe as other players had got a step or three on him, he just didn't do enough or work hard enough to counter the reality that sports is generally a young person's game and that there's always someone younger and hungrier for your job.
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Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 29, 2019, 01:58:16 AM
Ya I know. Sorry to catch you on a crap night 84. Enjoy your LDC weekend!

Well, I hope it gets better for you, then. Try not to have nightmares of #13 lazily running routes and slacking off at practice.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 29, 2019, 02:36:52 AM
Well, I hope it gets better for you, then. Try not to have nightmares of #13 lazily running routes and slacking off at practice.

oh ya I am fantastic never better thanks. super pumped for another LD trip! You get way to defensive sometimes man.  :) If you need the evidence so bad you go find it. I know what I read and  posted in the past and Mathews not showing energy is not new news especially on here.

Glad he is gone. Helps the club in many ways.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 29, 2019, 02:47:40 AM
I also remember people making comments about throws Mathews should have caught that he didn't; I mean Matthews will bounce back and probably have a great season.  Most likely end up in Sask like most of the players we release just before vet count down day. He wasn't producing for his salary the team and Lawler needs to get on the field.  Lawler makes things happens and attempts to catch in the middle and in traffic.  He is definitely fighting for the ball more than we seen Matthews.  Doesn't make Matthews a bad receiver; we just have Darvin coming back and he didn't fit our scheme well.
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Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 29, 2019, 03:03:19 AM
Like the earlier poster said: what is going on in BomberLand?  Nichols out X weeks.  Harris gets PED'd.  Now we fire C.Matthews?

Are they trying to ruin an 8-2 team?  They want 0-8 down the stretch?  Who needs a grey cup, eh?  Who cares, right?  Most promising year in forever and let's just piss it away.

First, Matthews was not A.Bowman.  Yes, CM did not light it up.  But Bowman literally did nothing, caught nothing, looked awful every game.  CM had some production, got some 1st downs, and a TD.  CM > Bowman.

Second, CM didn't light it up like he was supposed to, but most of us figured he'd start doing so when the games started to matter.  When it's the playoffs and the ring is on the line, I thought there was a good chance CM would turn up his engine.  Sure, that could be dead wrong.  But I did feel he was a bit of a "prima donna" in that he's too good for the day to day grind.  But those players usually do turn it on when there's playoff glory to be had: their ego demands it.

Third, maybe most importantly, we brought in CM to win the 50/50 ball and fight it away from tight coverage.  That's literally the main thing we lacked in the '18 WF.  That's the one thing we needed to get to, and win, a GC.  CM had a few chances to show us the 50/50 win and from my memory he failed every single one of them.  His only catches were fairly uncontested.  That last 50/50 drop he had in EDM probably sealed his fate.  If we need the 50/50 big-body guy to win the WF and GC for us, I guess he should prove he can actually do it in season.  So now, on that front, we're back to square one.

Fourth, even if CM was lacklustre, D's had to respect him.  D's don't respect Lawler.  They respected CM.  That means CM draws coverage and opens things up for our other guys and our run game.  Now, Adams is good, but D's don't respect him either.  Neither will they Bailey, or any of our other PR guys.

Let's not forget: we need a big-body 50/50 Rogers-type guy to win that WF and GC.  That's the last puzzle piece.  CM wasn't optimal, but he may have stepped up come post-season time.  Now we are missing that puzzle piece again.  No, the PR and depth guys are not enough.  Adams is not enough.  If we want to win big this year we need another big-body 50/50 proven vet guy.  It's that simple.

I think this means KW must have someone else lined up.  We'll be announcing some NFL cut addition soon, or something.  Or maybe some other teams will be dropping some big-body 3+ year vets this week that we can snatch up.  I don't think KW will sit on the team sans CM: that's just banging our head against the WF wall again and writing off another failed year.

So I'm disappointed we cut CM, because he was better than nothing, and he offered us hope for playoff success as that final piece of the puzzle.  If we stand pat now through playoffs, I don't see us winning the WF, once again.  Rogers will get the impossible game-winning TDs, and none of our receivers will.

I fear the Bomber receiving corp. is getting small, once again.

I agree.  One step backwards.

We have enough height. Milt Stegall is 6 foot. Being tall isn't as big a benefit in the CFL as it is the NFL.

Darvin is 6 foot 2. Wolitarsky is 6 foot 2. Lawler is 6 foot 3. We're not a jump ball team.

But we have to be a climb-the-ladder team to win the WF and GC.  We need our own Rogers who singlehandedly won the '18 WF.  We need that one player that can fight off 3 guys and climb 4 feet to get the only throw that can be made.  None of our guys you list can do that.  CM might have.  Now we have no one and we will lose the WF when the other guy does it and we can't.

I didn't think he was playing that bad. Sure, more was expected, but you could say that for all of our receivers. Others have dropped their share of passes as well. Any issues with passing production are system and team execution related IMO. You could get Rogers, Walker, Lewis, Zylstra, whoever, and it won't change until we get those issues straightened out.

Somebody will pick him up for sure. He's a big target and he's good. Not sure at all about this move.

He was doing ok, and kept improving.  It's clear he is no Rogers or Zylstra, though.  I said as much in FA when looking at his CGY stint.  He's like Rogers-lite, but that might have been all we needed to push us over the top.  I disagree that Rogers/Walker/Zylstra would be wasted here: when the playoff games are on the line I'm sure we'd be throwing to those guys to make the impossible catch.

Terrible decision. Already short Nichols and Harris and now we do this?
You're 8-2 and you're cutting a leader. Bad move

I agree.  Unless you have some other horse to ride, you keep the one you have.  Our other receivers can't do what we brought CM in to do.  Maybe because it seems so insane that must be proof KW has something in the hopper...

Substantiate your claim, then. That's how burden of proof works.

I've noted many times in past threads and in the off-season that CM seemed tired, lazy, disinterested, in it for the money, no heart, etc.  Goldie is right.  The hope was that either he'd perk up in WPG, or at least perk up for the playoffs when the $$ and ring and glory were on the line.  Now we'll never know.  (Even with all those bad traits, I loved the signing and am upset we cut him.)

Not sure if anyone posted about Jefferson wearing Matthews #13 at practice today.   Apparently they hung out together away from the field.....MOS was ok with it!   We need a BIG game from #5 so hope he's ok with it but it's got to be a bit of a downer for him!

Well, if #5 was best buds with #13 I hope that someone checked with #5 before the cut to explain it to him!  I hope if KW has another big-body in the hopper he shared that with #5!  Last thing we want is locker-room blowup because #5 and #13 are pissed off.  We don't need another distraction.  I hope our coaches are explaining to Willie what the plan is and get him back onboard.

We better be hearing about a replacement big-body acquisition very soon!!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 29, 2019, 03:25:08 AM
Thanks Tecno!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 29, 2019, 04:38:54 AM
My opinion has literally nothing to do with who posted it. The logic is simple: Jefferson is arguably the best defender on this team. Giving him reps on offense when he's already starting on defense and on special teams is a terrible idea.

oh, fair enough, thought you were saying it was a bad idea because Jefferson couldn't do it. although I only meant I think he could probably do it in a goal line package and not regularly, I do agree, no need to overwork him


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 29, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
So after watching the Aug 28 MOS interview on bb.com, re: Matthews, he says that Adams is back and Lawler has been good, etc... as in, we're happy with our current roster without Matthews.  Hinting: we aren't looking at other guys.  (But MOS always lies as misdirection to gain inter-team advantage, so take it with salt.)

If we are fine to go into the playoffs with just our current guys, then to me this is the same old repeated mistake we make every single year.  We bring in new IMP WRs and they're with us for 0-2 years and we pick the least-worst ones and ride them into the playoffs, or worse, bench them at the last minute and put in an unknown (like Nelson last year).

Then, surprise, surprise, those 0-2 year IMP receivers always become invisible in the playoffs.  It happens every single year.  Last year it was Thompkins / Washington / Nelson.  Then we sit there and wonder why CGY wins with the more than 0-2 years big-body Rogers making all the game-winning plays.  Every single year we do this!

So this year it's Lawler and Lucky.  Neither is Rogers.  Chances are both will be completely shutdown by D's come playoff time.  The D's aren't stupid: they know how to shutdown rookie/sophomore WRs once crunch time comes.  That's why you have the big Rogers, and Ellingsons, and Banks and Walkers on your team, because those are the guys who are going to win you the big games.

While Lucky may actually have a shot at making big playoff plays, he's not a big-body EZ 50/50 guy, and I wouldn't bet money on him have massive playoff success anyhow.  Lawler, as promising as he is, will likely be as dead in the playoffs as Thompkins/Washington/Nelson in '18.  And Adams cannot do it all alone, as we've seen.  We need two big-body vet threats, and one has to be a better 50/50 guy than Adams.

So I'm seriously worried that we aren't taking our year-of-the-GC seriously, and not doing everything we need to do to win.  If we do the same thing as the other years, we'll have the same result.  So I hope that the Mafia knows this too and already have some spectacular star WR in the hopper, because otherwise we'll likely fall in the WF, just like last year.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
A very important factor in this decision was likely positional.  Watching from training camp it was clear that the best position for BOTH Matthews and Darvin Adams was boundary wideout (x receiver).  They tried each of them in the slot occasionally but I got the impression that Matthews was NOT suited to a slotback position (too slow perhaps?) and moving Darvin meant taking your best receiver out of his best position...which is not ideal.

The emergence of Lawlor, whose skill set seems very well suited to the slot...moreso than either Darvin or Matthews meant that now you can only play 1 of Darvin and Matthews...And Adams is clearly the better receiver.

Now you could move Wolitarski inside and play Matthews at Field Wideout, but that's a position that doesn't get thrown a lot of balls and seems a waste of an import...and Woli is really good at that spot.

In other words, Matthews was a victim of his ability to only play 1 position in the receiving corps and the fact that he wasn't good enough to beat Adams out for that position.

In camp and in games Matthews doesn't look very fast to me...has trouble getting separation.  He still has his size but we already have two tall receivers at both wideouts.  We want the speed of Demski, Lucky and Lawlor inside.  So no place for Matthews except as Darvin's backup and let's face it, he's not sticking around at his salary to do that.

You are correct imo, it became a numbers game.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 11:25:25 AM
Neither of these guys performed!

Bowman had enough chances to make something happen, he didn't. Who picked up Bowman after WPG? Nobody.

Montreal


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 11:40:54 AM
I will not be looking at this move in isolation. I believe it was a move made to create cap space. Matthews was underperforming but is still a big time threat. I will suggest that I think this is a move made in order to make a different move. Had Matthews been lighting it up, he'd still be here but for whatever reason he did not seem to fit well in this offence. Lapolice seems to have a system that is hit or miss with some receivers.

I don't buy any of the off field/locker room/lack of effort crapola. He was assessed after half a season as simply just not getting it and we moved on to save SMS because NFL cut downs are coming quick. That's my take. He couldn't beat out the other receivers at particular positions.

That being said, those comparing him to 2018 Adarious Bowman are wrong imo. The comparison should be to 2010 Adarious Bowman. A good receiver who wasn't producing, lost the trust of Lapo, was released, but still had a lot of game left. Matthews will surface somewhere else and be a big contributor in an offence that knows/wants to use his strengths. That wasn't here.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on August 29, 2019, 12:47:51 PM
It simple. Matthews paycheck was way bigger than his contribution. The Bombers waited as long as they could before cutting him before they had to pay him for the rest of the season. Probably saved around $50K in SMS.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 29, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Have to wonder what happened... he came in as the serious mentor for the rookies, center of attention, the franchises "big get" and proceeded to e near invisible on the field... was he talking the talk because he was told he needed to to earn that spot?   Or did something happen, culminating in the puncture incident?
 
Did he get jaded by his cup of coffee in the show?

I guess we will never know...  I expect him to get a contract somewhere very soon... maybe SSK...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on August 29, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Bluegold 85 I agree with your comments on Matthews, 100%.
I was sad,  surprised and disappointed he is so slow. Plus he didn't seem to emphasize some basic characteristics of WR play, such as pushing the DB ou if his backpedal, or getting and using his body position. Last week was his best game, as he was open short, and upon catching the ball earned yak yards. 

I thought he improved, and thereby earned another game. I also thought and wondered where would he play once Adams came back.  I thought they would figure that out though. I didn't expect he would be cut.

One poster, also noted, defenses had to prepare for him though just based on who he was and his potential, reputation and historical play.

One had to wonder though why he wasn't signed as free agent, before the Bombers got him.  I saw that as interesting, and wondered why all the other teams didn't jump at the chance to sign him.

His contract didn't equal his contribution. I.M.O.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 29, 2019, 02:44:52 PM
It simple. Matthews paycheck was way bigger than his contribution. The Bombers waited as long as they could before cutting him before they had to pay him for the rest of the season. Probably saved around $50K in SMS.

What I don't understand is why Walters signed Bowman and Matthews to longer term deals in the first place, was it because he had to do so to get them to sign or did he actually think he would receive 3 years of worthy performance from older receivers.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 29, 2019, 02:50:55 PM
So after watching the Aug 28 MOS interview on bb.com, re: Matthews, he says that Adams is back and Lawler has been good, etc... as in, we're happy with our current roster without Matthews.  Hinting: we aren't looking at other guys.  (But MOS always lies as misdirection to gain inter-team advantage, so take it with salt.)

If we are fine to go into the playoffs with just our current guys, then to me this is the same old repeated mistake we make every single year.  We bring in new IMP WRs and they're with us for 0-2 years and we pick the least-worst ones and ride them into the playoffs, or worse, bench them at the last minute and put in an unknown (like Nelson last year).

Then, surprise, surprise, those 0-2 year IMP receivers always become invisible in the playoffs.  It happens every single year.  Last year it was Thompkins / Washington / Nelson.  Then we sit there and wonder why CGY wins with the more than 0-2 years big-body Rogers making all the game-winning plays.  Every single year we do this!

So this year it's Lawler and Lucky.  Neither is Rogers.  Chances are both will be completely shutdown by D's come playoff time.  The D's aren't stupid: they know how to shutdown rookie/sophomore WRs once crunch time comes.  That's why you have the big Rogers, and Ellingsons, and Banks and Walkers on your team, because those are the guys who are going to win you the big games.

While Lucky may actually have a shot at making big playoff plays, he's not a big-body EZ 50/50 guy, and I wouldn't bet money on him have massive playoff success anyhow.  Lawler, as promising as he is, will likely be as dead in the playoffs as Thompkins/Washington/Nelson in '18.  And Adams cannot do it all alone, as we've seen.  We need two big-body vet threats, and one has to be a better 50/50 guy than Adams.

So I'm seriously worried that we aren't taking our year-of-the-GC seriously, and not doing everything we need to do to win.  If we do the same thing as the other years, we'll have the same result.  So I hope that the Mafia knows this too and already have some spectacular star WR in the hopper, because otherwise we'll likely fall in the WF, just like last year.

all of your posts on this topic are assuming that Matthews was good

the problem, and the reason he's not here anymore, is that he wasn't.

honestly, I still think he's got something in the tank and he'll get a look somewhere and may do well for himself there. But it wasn't working here and it wasn't magically going to start. If anything, he's regressed the last few weeks. Yeah, he finally made a big play a few games back, but he also started dropping the ball a couple of games ago.

and your comments on Eric Rogers and experience and etc... Rogers had 19 games of CFL experience prior to last season. He was effectively a 2nd year receiver. It's not experience, it's that he's really, really good. I don't know if Whitehead and Lawler will be that, but Matthews' was showing no signs that he would.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 29, 2019, 03:04:07 PM
What I don't understand is why Walters signed Bowman and Matthews to longer term deals in the first place, was it because he had to do so to get them to sign or did he actually think he would receive 3 years of worthy performance from older receivers.

In a league where contracts are not guaranteed, the 3 year deal is for the club's protection.  Gives them security if the player lives up to his potential, and on the other side, the CBA gives them an out if they do not.  I don't think wither Bowman or Matthews thought that the 3 yr part of contract gave them any benefit or guarantee, but were willing to sign at the rates offered, knowing they could be cut at any time.

Jefferson, on the other hand, took a 1 year deal, betting on himself to earn a better new deal each year.  Walters would have loved to get him on 3 years, no doubt, but settled on 1 to get his name on the line...



Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Norm W on August 29, 2019, 03:15:15 PM
It's 12:00 noon eastern... and the good news is?

The Bomber roster hasn't changed since noon yesterday!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 29, 2019, 03:33:45 PM
In a league where contracts are not guaranteed, the 3 year deal is for the club's protection.  Gives them security if the player lives up to his potential, and on the other side, the CBA gives them an out if they do not.  I don't think wither Bowman or Matthews thought that the 3 yr part of contract gave them any benefit or guarantee, but were willing to sign at the rates offered, knowing they could be cut at any time.

Jefferson, on the other hand, took a 1 year deal, betting on himself to earn a better new deal each year.  Walters would have loved to get him on 3 years, no doubt, but settled on 1 to get his name on the line...

Good point about Jefferson, if he continues to perform at a high level for the rest of the season and through the playoffs he is going to be rewarded with a stupendous pay day pushing him to the top of the pay chart for defensive players.  Bombers better keep McCalister around just in case they lose him.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 03:39:14 PM
What I don't understand is why Walters signed Bowman and Matthews to longer term deals in the first place, was it because he had to do so to get them to sign or did he actually think he would receive 3 years of worthy performance from older receivers.

Matthews is not old.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 03:43:16 PM
What I don't understand is why Walters signed Bowman and Matthews to longer term deals in the first place, was it because he had to do so to get them to sign or did he actually think he would receive 3 years of worthy performance from older receivers.

He signed them to the longest deal he could get them to agree too, as he probably does with every player.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
Good point about Jefferson, if he continues to perform at a high level for the rest of the season and through the playoffs he is going to be rewarded with a stupendous pay day pushing him to the top of the pay chart for defensive players.  Bombers better keep McCalister around just in case they lose him.

He is already a top 5 paid d-player. He won't get a whole lot more than he is making now. 210k is just under Bighill.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 29, 2019, 03:46:35 PM
Have to wonder what happened... he came in as the serious mentor for the rookies, center of attention, the franchises "big get" and proceeded to e near invisible on the field... was he talking the talk because he was told he needed to to earn that spot?   Or did something happen, culminating in the puncture incident?
 
Did he get jaded by his cup of coffee in the show?

I guess we will never know...  I expect him to get a contract somewhere very soon... maybe SSK...

There is an obvious disconnect between the GM and OC on the type of receivers that fit the system. The scouts seem to be recruiting according to scheme but Walters foray into FA receivers has been abysmal. I think Lapo/McManus/Rigmaiden need to have a heart to heart with Walters about maybe consulting them a little more before signing FA receivers.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 29, 2019, 04:15:36 PM
He is already a top 5 paid d-player. He won't get a whole lot more than he is making now. 210k is just under Bighill.

Micah Johnson is being paid $250,000 by the Riders, that was a blunder but nonetheless it ups the anti, no reason Jefferson shouldn't look at that number at the height of his game and think that he deserves more......there are probably a few teams that agree.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 29, 2019, 04:33:38 PM
What I don't understand is why Walters signed Bowman and Matthews to longer term deals in the first place, was it because he had to do so to get them to sign or did he actually think he would receive 3 years of worthy performance from older receivers.

Bowman signed a one-year deal last year with the Bombers - he was 32 at the time. Matthews signed a three-year deal this year - he's 29. So, had he stayed here for the duration of his contract, he'd have been exactly the same age as Bowman was when he signed here.

29 is not necessarily old for a receiver, anyway. Unfortunately, injury issues plagued him early on and then he couldn't gain traction when he was healthy. The offense's paltry passing attack helped nothing and then losing Nichols further exacerbated things. Sure, Matthews needed to be better but how about the OC in charge of the system or the QB/QBs making the passes?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on August 29, 2019, 05:41:37 PM
There is an obvious disconnect between the GM and OC on the type of receivers that fit the system. The scouts seem to be recruiting according to scheme but Walters foray into FA receivers has been abysmal. I think Lapo/McManus/Rigmaiden need to have a heart to heart with Walters about maybe consulting them a little more before signing FA receivers.

I know there was skepticism about Bowman signing, but Matthews?  How do you call Walters signing og Matthews "abysmal".  Maybe the result was, but the signing sure wasn't...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 29, 2019, 06:58:07 PM
I know there was skepticism about Bowman signing, but Matthews?  How do you call Walters signing og Matthews "abysmal".  Maybe the result was, but the signing sure wasn't...

Agreed. The Matthews signing was pretty good at the time it happened; many here and around the league had positive things to say about it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 29, 2019, 07:03:28 PM
I still think we should have dumped money on Burnham and Roosevelt... those guys are always good.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 29, 2019, 07:10:17 PM
I still think we should have dumped money on Burnham and Roosevelt... those guys are always good.

Except both re-signed with their respective teams. ???

IIRC, Walters did kick tires on Walker, who's superior to both. Walker chose Toronto, though.

And dumping money on players is how you get a situation like that of the 2019 BC Lions. That team has a single win this season.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on August 29, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
KW needs to find a way to pay Jefferson before he makes it to FA, he is to good to let slip through our fingers.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on August 29, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
Agree, over paying in the CFL can get you in trouble.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 30, 2019, 04:22:59 AM
Like the earlier poster said: what is going on in BomberLand?  Nichols out X weeks.  Harris gets PED'd.  Now we fire C.Matthews?

Are they trying to ruin an 8-2 team?  They want 0-8 down the stretch?  Who needs a grey cup, eh?  Who cares, right?  Most promising year in forever and let's just piss it away.

First, Matthews was not A.Bowman.  Yes, CM did not light it up.  But Bowman literally did nothing, caught nothing, looked awful every game.  CM had some production, got some 1st downs, and a TD.  CM > Bowman.

Second, CM didn't light it up like he was supposed to, but most of us figured he'd start doing so when the games started to matter.  When it's the playoffs and the ring is on the line, I thought there was a good chance CM would turn up his engine.  Sure, that could be dead wrong.  But I did feel he was a bit of a "prima donna" in that he's too good for the day to day grind.  But those players usually do turn it on when there's playoff glory to be had: their ego demands it.

Third, maybe most importantly, we brought in CM to win the 50/50 ball and fight it away from tight coverage.  That's literally the main thing we lacked in the '18 WF.  That's the one thing we needed to get to, and win, a GC.  CM had a few chances to show us the 50/50 win and from my memory he failed every single one of them.  His only catches were fairly uncontested.  That last 50/50 drop he had in EDM probably sealed his fate.  If we need the 50/50 big-body guy to win the WF and GC for us, I guess he should prove he can actually do it in season.  So now, on that front, we're back to square one.

Fourth, even if CM was lacklustre, D's had to respect him.  D's don't respect Lawler.  They respected CM.  That means CM draws coverage and opens things up for our other guys and our run game.  Now, Adams is good, but D's don't respect him either.  Neither will they Bailey, or any of our other PR guys.

Some good points and questions. In the end, the salary to production ratio was not where it should have been, and though Matthews does draw some attention via coverage from the other teams, I'd suspect that as the season wore on, that maybe LaPolice/ Pierce noticed that teams really didn't pay particular attention to Matthews anyways, just based on the amount of targets that we'd sent his way.

To put it in perspective, after looking at CFL stats, Matthews is 55th in the league with 12 receptions caught and targeted 23 times; with Ottawa, Julian Feoli-Gudino is 53rd, with 13 receptions and targeted 21 times. We know that JFG was a bit player/ utility receiver that we never really used a heckuva lot here, and in Ottawa he is still not used much. I'd figure that teams didn't strategize a whole lot against him, so was Matthews (without seeing the full field in game film) really drawing much attention? I'm thinking that after the early season, teams actually started covering Whitehead more, which should have opened up more of the field for Matthews and other receivers.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 30, 2019, 06:07:55 AM
all of your posts on this topic are assuming that Matthews was good

the problem, and the reason he's not here anymore, is that he wasn't.

But I think Matthews gave us hope that he was good.  He still filled an important hole that was just a void in 2018.  He was showing signs of slowly improving, and I do believe the talent was there, it's just whether he chooses to turn it on or not.  I had the hope he'd wake up for the big games.  Yes, it may have been wishful thinking.

Now we have no big-body 50/50 receiver, like every other year, and now, honestly, I have very little hope.  Unless we get another, better, player.

I'd figure that teams didn't strategize a whole lot against him, so was Matthews (without seeing the full field in game film) really drawing much attention? I'm thinking that after the early season, teams actually started covering Whitehead more, which should have opened up more of the field for Matthews and other receivers.

You could be right.  Lucky commanded "respect coverage" after his first explosive game.  Did they drop a man on CM to add one to Lucky?  Maybe, probably.

However, when we're in the WF and CGY D is shutting down all of our receivers leaving no one open anywhere, Lucky will be the Thompkins/Nelson/Washington of last year and be completely ineffective as a receiving target, especially closer to the red zone.  We see it every year!

We still need the guy who can have two defenders draped all over him and still make the 50/50 play, whether jumping or diving or just out-muscling the defenders.  Lawler/Lucky/Nelson are not that guy.  Never will be.  The only way around this is if Lucky turns into a Speedy B who can just outrun all coverage and make great plays all over the field.  But that will likely take years to materialize, and our OL pass-pro has to get stronger first.  That doesn't help us this year.

Our D is great and will be locking down all the CGY receivers too, but Rogers (and Brescacin and Begelton to a lesser degree) will climb the ladder with 3 guys around him and bring down the game winning ball.  It's as simple as that.

We're back to off-season square one on the IMP receiver front.  And we won't get very far in the post-season if we don't re-re-address the final piece of the puzzle.  They must have some signing coming up...

There is an obvious disconnect between the GM and OC on the type of receivers that fit the system. The scouts seem to be recruiting according to scheme but Walters foray into FA receivers has been abysmal. I think Lapo/McManus/Rigmaiden need to have a heart to heart with Walters about maybe consulting them a little more before signing FA receivers.

I really doubt that's the case, that there's this maverick, loose cannon KW roaming around snapping up big FA WRs on a any whim.  More likely is the Bowman/Matthews signings were both preceded by lengthy sit-downs with MOS/Lapo/Buck to reach a consensus.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on August 30, 2019, 10:11:12 AM
I wanted it to work with him here, it didn't we cut ties with him, time to move on to the next....

Who would have guessed we would go into the LDC without Nichols, Mathews, Harris, and with Adams questionable?

I am guessing Mathews made some decent money in the NFL, so any late career CFL money is just the gravy, I wish him well curious to see where he lands


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 30, 2019, 10:55:05 AM
I know there was skepticism about Bowman signing, but Matthews?  How do you call Walters signing og Matthews "abysmal".  Maybe the result was, but the signing sure wasn't...

I agree that both signings seemed great at the time they were made. However, football GMing is based on results and Walters going back as far as Nick Moore, Kenny Stafford, Adarious Bowman, and Chris Matthews has an abysmal record of signing FA receivers. It's not even debateable. It's not necessarily Walters fault in most cases, but he has to wear his record...the good and the bad.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 30, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
I really don't understand the thinking behind the Matthews release. The guy was on a sweet contract of only 107k per year. That's 4th receiver money. There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye. This doesn't pass the sniff test.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: The Zipp on August 30, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
I really don't understand the thinking behind the Matthews release. The guy was on a sweet contract of only 107k per year. That's 4th receiver money. There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye. This doesn't pass the sniff test.

It's not one big thing - it really is everything that has been discussed in 11 pages...

1) production
2) effort in practices and games
3) he only got into the lineup because darvin was hurt, now darvin is back and instead of benching him they released him to save money
4) off field stuff - we don't have the details and won't get into rumors but something happened

Of course there is going to be more details on those 4 categories that we may never know cause we aren't in the locker room, at practice or have all the film the coaches and gm do.  They made the decision with way more facts than us.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 30, 2019, 12:56:26 PM
It's not one big thing - it really is everything that has been discussed in 11 pages...

1) production
2) effort in practices and games
3) he only got into the lineup because darvin was hurt, now darvin is back and instead of benching him they released him to save money
4) off field stuff - we don't have the details and won't get into rumors but something happened

Of course there is going to be more details on those 4 categories that we may never know cause we aren't in the locker room, at practice or have all the film the coaches and gm do.  They made the decision with way more facts than us.
for heavens sakes bravo thank you. The dog chasing tail was getting to me on this one.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bludan on August 30, 2019, 01:57:11 PM
It's not one big thing - it really is everything that has been discussed in 11 pages...

1) production
2) effort in practices and games
3) he only got into the lineup because darvin was hurt, now darvin is back and instead of benching him they released him to save money
4) off field stuff - we don't have the details and won't get into rumors but something happened

Of course there is going to be more details on those 4 categories that we may never know cause we aren't in the locker room, at practice or have all the film the coaches and gm do.  They made the decision with way more facts than us.


Well said.  I am still a bit disappointed, but to be fair, he really hasn't done anything to excite me this year.  I'm with others hoping we can get another impact receiver, but it's not like we have had that many drops this year either.  I think I need to change my expectations a bit. There is the fan side of me that wants the flashy receiver, but I don't think that's the style of this club either.  We're a blue collar crew and I think this team embodies that ethos. 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bowlerdude on August 30, 2019, 02:50:27 PM
But I think Matthews gave us hope that he was good.  He still filled an important hole that was just a void in 2018.  He was showing signs of slowly improving, and I do believe the talent was there, it's just whether he chooses to turn it on or not.  I had the hope he'd wake up for the big games.  Yes, it may have been wishful thinking.

Now we have no big-body 50/50 receiver, like every other year, and now, honestly, I have very little hope.  Unless we get another, better, player.

I don't see the point of keeping Matthews around just to give you false hope. He wasn't good or he'd have still been here. I'm not saying he doesn't have it in him at all anymore, but it wasn't happening here. He wasn't showing signs of improving. He made a big play in his first game, it just didn't count due to a holding penalty. Honestly, that was the best game he's played here despite the stat line ending up looking underwhelming in it. He finally made another one of the plays he was brought here for a couple games ago. He's also had three drops in the last two games. Maybe it feels like he was improving because he managed to stay on the field for a few games in a row, but if anything, he was regressing.

Darvin Adams is a big-body 50/50 receiver with more speed than Matthews. We aren't lacking it, though it'd be nice to have had two.

It's actually something Lawler was always regarded in NFL circles as being really good at so maybe we start using him in that role more.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: M.O.A.B. on August 30, 2019, 03:09:37 PM
I would like to have Diontae Spencer.

I'm guessing Williams, Zylstra and Mitchel will make their respective team, even on PR.

Williams-Lambert is a Sask prop.
No to Sinkfield


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on August 30, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
CFL Headlines
@CFL_Headlines
Alouettes welcome receiver Chris Matthews: The Montreal Alouettes announced on Friday having agreed to terms with American receiver Chris Matthews. Matthews (6?5?, 230 lbs.) played in six games for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers? https://en.montrealalouettes.com/2019/08/30/alo


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: 1chad on August 30, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
3 down Nation reporting that Matthews has signed with Montreal


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: booch on August 30, 2019, 03:28:53 PM
saw that coming a mile away..and figure he'd be there by weeks end...good for him! I bet he does well with posey and Lewis


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 30, 2019, 03:56:48 PM
It's not one big thing - it really is everything that has been discussed in 11 pages...

1) production
2) effort in practices and games
3) he only got into the lineup because darvin was hurt, now darvin is back and instead of benching him they released him to save money
4) off field stuff - we don't have the details and won't get into rumors but something happened

Of course there is going to be more details on those 4 categories that we may never know cause we aren't in the locker room, at practice or have all the film the coaches and gm do.  They made the decision with way more facts than us.

I'm not doubting the decision making of the Bombers, just suggesting that there is obviously more to this than all of us know.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on August 30, 2019, 03:57:55 PM
saw that coming a mile away..and figure he'd be there by weeks end...good for him! I bet he does well with posey and Lewis

I figured he'd be picked up quickly as well.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: 1chad on August 30, 2019, 04:21:43 PM
saw that coming a mile away..and figure he'd be there by weeks end...good for him! I bet he does well with posey and Lewis

good signing for the Als, with BJ Cunningham on the shelf


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Ridermania on August 30, 2019, 04:39:56 PM
Good signing by the Als', he needed a change of scenery and will excel the rest of the season.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: bomb squad on August 30, 2019, 05:10:29 PM
saw that coming a mile away..and figure he'd be there by weeks end...good for him! I bet he does well with posey and Lewis

They've got a formidable receiving corps there. Maybe the best.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on August 30, 2019, 05:20:50 PM
I really don't understand the thinking behind the Matthews release. The guy was on a sweet contract of only 107k per year. That's 4th receiver money. There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye. This doesn't pass the sniff test.

Well if that's 4th receiver money, but they don't think he's 4th receiver.  Then there we go.  With Adams playing, he was not even dressing.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: lenny on August 30, 2019, 06:16:59 PM
Well if Matthews thinks he's going to see a lot of passes - I think he'll be in the same situation as in Winnipeg. Vernon Adams in 8 games has virtually the same amount of passing yards as Dominique Davis 1889 to 1846. Less than Nichols' 1936 with 9 games. His TD/INT ratio 9/6 is poor. Maybe Vernon thinks he can just throw it up there and expect Matthews to come up with it. Didn't look like he could do that here. Looks like he was more interested in not hurting himself and making easy catches so he could cash in the dough.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dxw237 on August 30, 2019, 07:35:31 PM
Well if Matthews thinks he's going to see a lot of passes - I think he'll be in the same situation as in Winnipeg. Vernon Adams in 8 games has virtually the same amount of passing yards as Dominique Davis 1889 to 1846. Less than Nichols' 1936 with 9 games. His TD/INT ratio 9/6 is poor. Maybe Vernon thinks he can just throw it up there and expect Matthews to come up with it. Didn't look like he could do that here. Looks like he was more interested in not hurting himself and making easy catches so he could cash in the dough.


I expect that he will do very well in Montreal especially under Khari Jones.  For years now we as fans and to some degree the Bombers have asked for an impact receiver.  Finally we get Mathews who fits the bill (not a speedster, but sure handed and can make the big catch) and what does O'Shea do he lets him go! To all the critics of Mathews let me say that:  yes he dropped some passes but who on the team hasn't (wolitarsky, demski, lawler, whitehead and so on).  I guess we should get rid of Harris who has had I think at least 3 fumbles and now has tested positive.  The point is no one is perfect.  Some players have a knack for always making big plays.  In my humble opinion Mathews wasn't set up to do well in the Bomber's offensive scheme wherein Nichols basically throws short to medium routes.  Kyle Walters has given O'Shea some real quality players to mould a team into at least a Grey Cup participant if not a winner yet O'Shea just like in past years can't seem to identify players who can make the difference.  In my view and I have believed this from the beginning of the season i there is no way we don't make it to the Grey Cup unless we get an avalanche of serious and long term injuries or else the Bomber coaches and or management screw things up.   Mathews from all reports was well liked within the locker room, I think this says a ton in terms of his status within the team especially his teammates.  Hope I'm wrong but as a long time Blue Bomber fan since 1958 my feeling is that O'Shea has made a huge mistake.  As commented in another topic how much time do we give Walters and O'Shea, well my view is Walter's has done a really good job, O'Shea is now in his 6th year and to date has not won anything.  If he gets to the Grey Cup keep him if not let him go!



Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: bowlerdude on August 30, 2019, 07:54:36 PM

I expect that he will do very well in Montreal especially under Khari Jones.  For years now we as fans and to some degree the Bombers have asked for an impact receiver.  Finally we get Mathews who fits the bill (not a speedster, but sure handed and can make the big catch) and what does O'Shea do he lets him go! To all the critics of Mathews let me say that:  yes he dropped some passes but who on the team hasn't (wolitarsky, demski, lawler, whitehead and so on).  I guess we should get rid of Harris who has had I think at least 3 fumbles and now has tested positive.  The point is no one is perfect.  Some players have a knack for always making big plays.  In my humble opinion Mathews wasn't set up to do well in the Bomber's offensive scheme wherein Nichols basically throws short to medium routes.  Kyle Walters has given O'Shea some real quality players to mould a team into at least a Grey Cup participant if not a winner yet O'Shea just like in past years can't seem to identify players who can make the difference.

Sure handed was the idea, but not the reality of Matthews' time here.

Wolitarsky has a few drops lately. That's a concern but I guess he gets a bit of a pass because he's Canadian so it's him or Petermann. If he doesn't get better soon, I suspect Petermann will take his place. Demski had a drop last game but hasn't really had issues with his hands other than that? I think Whitehead had a drop or two the game after his big one, but hasn't really had an issue since. I don't recall Lawler dropping anything that wasn't a really difficult catch in the first place. So, true that drops happen but going by memory, Matthews had the fewest receptions and most drops of that group.

He was better for us than Bowman was last year but it simply didn't work out. He'll probably be behind Lewis, Posey, Cunningham when he's back, and maybe Bray in Montreal so I wouldn't expect him to light it up there. Vernon Adams is probably a better QB for him than Nichols as he loves to take chances and throw up 50/50 balls.

Essentially, for all the talk out there about Matthews being this special playmaking receiver, it comes down to this: if Matthews had been that for us, he'd still be here.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: lenny on August 30, 2019, 08:07:18 PM

I expect that he will do very well in Montreal especially under Khari Jones.  For years now we as fans and to some degree the Bombers have asked for an impact receiver.  Finally we get Mathews who fits the bill (not a speedster, but sure handed and can make the big catch) and what does O'Shea do he lets him go! To all the critics of Mathews let me say that:  yes he dropped some passes but who on the team hasn't (wolitarsky, demski, lawler, whitehead and so on).  I guess we should get rid of Harris who has had I think at least 3 fumbles and now has tested positive.  The point is no one is perfect.  Some players have a knack for always making big plays.  In my humble opinion Mathews wasn't set up to do well in the Bomber's offensive scheme wherein Nichols basically throws short to medium routes.  Kyle Walters has given O'Shea some real quality players to mould a team into at least a Grey Cup participant if not a winner yet O'Shea just like in past years can't seem to identify players who can make the difference.  In my view and I have believed this from the beginning of the season i there is no way we don't make it to the Grey Cup unless we get an avalanche of serious and long term injuries or else the Bomber coaches and or management screw things up.   Mathews from all reports was well liked within the locker room, I think this says a ton in terms of his status within the team especially his teammates.  Hope I'm wrong but as a long time Blue Bomber fan since 1958 my feeling is that O'Shea has made a huge mistake.  As commented in another topic how much time do we give Walters and O'Shea, well my view is Walter's has done a really good job, O'Shea is now in his 6th year and to date has not won anything.  If he gets to the Grey Cup keep him if not let him go!



No one is perfect? lol. He doesn't even measure up to the receivers on this team. Forget about perfection. You don't healthy scratch a 200,000 man except there's something seriously wrong with the package you thought you were getting. Good luck to wishful thinking. So he was liked in the locker room? Was he getting paid the big bucks for being liked or producing and showing he had a desire to play? Answer is self-evident. And if there's one guy you shouldn't question about his ability to determine effort, moxy, desire it's MOS. He was the epitome of a blood and guts performer. I'll take his opinion over yours 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 30, 2019, 08:07:41 PM
I think he will be a good fit for the Als.....Khari was a more of a gunslinger in his day and threw balls that our receivers at the time excelled at catching.   We don't run that style of offence or do we have that style of QB.   My concern is for the overall psyche of the team and especially Jefferson as we head into the hell hole known as Riderville.   Can this team overcome all this adversity remains to be seen.   I hope so but I wouldn't be too concerned if we end up splitting the next two games.  If the Riders sweep us...then it's another story.    Biggest game of the season in light of all the hurdles in the way of our team!!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dxw237 on August 30, 2019, 08:20:42 PM
No one is perfect? lol. He doesn't even measure up to the receivers on this team. Forget about perfection. You don't healthy scratch a 200,000 man except there's something seriously wrong with the package you thought you were getting. Good luck to wishful thinking. So he was liked in the locker room? Was he getting paid the big bucks for being liked or producing and showing he had a desire to play? Answer is self-evident. And if there's one guy you shouldn't question about his ability to determine effort, moxy, desire it's MOS. He was the epitome of a blood and guts performer. I'll take his opinion over yours 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Hey take it easy fella.  We all have opinions, just stating mine.  No one says you or anyone else has to agree. 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: lenny on August 30, 2019, 08:22:32 PM
Hey take it easy fella.  We all have opinions, just stating mine.  No one says you or anyone else has to agree. 


And I don't. Little sensitive?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Pigskin on August 30, 2019, 08:30:56 PM
Matthews had one very good year in the CFL. He had a below average career in the NFL. And played below average with the bombers this year. I think we can find better.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: PurpleReign on August 30, 2019, 08:41:37 PM
Matthews had one very good year in the CFL. He had a below average career in the NFL. And played below average with the bombers this year. I think we can find better.

He was pretty good in the NFL.  He should have been the MVP of the Superbowl for Seattle.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: The Zipp on August 30, 2019, 08:44:07 PM
He was pretty good in the NFL.  He should have been the MVP of the Superbowl for Seattle.

Played fabulous in the super bowl...was non existent in regular season before and after that. 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Waffler on August 30, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
My fear is that this year is like last year in that the other playoff teams load up and we stay with the guys we had since camp.  Thompkins ...  looking at you.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Pigskin on August 30, 2019, 08:59:30 PM
Yes, he had one good game in the NFL. Just happened to be the Super Bowl which bought him a little more time in the NFL.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 30, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
My fear is that this year is like last year in that the other playoff teams load up and we stay with the guys we had since camp.  Thompkins ...  looking at you.
I share that same fear. We need to load up that depth.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 30, 2019, 09:10:06 PM
until the coaching staff decided to take advantage of the attributes a receivers brings with him when he joins the team expect more of the same...  either that are trade all of our receivers for running backs...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: theaardvark on August 30, 2019, 09:35:32 PM
Hopes and wishes were that he'd recapture the rookie CM13 magic... but alas, he did not... maybe he needs to think that the game is a big game for him to show up for it...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: DM83 on August 30, 2019, 09:44:01 PM
Bottom line

Who cares about Matthews ? 
He wasn't worth $100.00 never mind whatever he was making.

He had issues his second yr.  way back, and obviously, he wasn't impressing those that mattered.
Dime a. Dozen.

There will be NFL cuts who be enthused, might want to hone their skills in the CFL get a pay check , and maybe show what they can do.  Bigger fish in smaller pond.  Here is their chance.

Good luck to Matthews, but obviously not management's  cup of tea.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 30, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Bottom line

Who cares about Matthews ? 
He wasn't worth $100.00 never mind whatever he was making.

He had issues his second yr.  way back, and obviously, he wasn't impressing those that mattered.
Dime a. Dozen.

There will be NFL cuts who be enthused, might want to hone their skills in the CFL get a pay check , and maybe show what they can do.  Bigger fish in smaller pond.  Here is their chance.

Good luck to Matthews, but obviously not management's  cup of tea.
I agree he is gone but the bombers need to sign another at the WR position.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 30, 2019, 10:13:43 PM
Our current receivers doesn't exactly spell Grey Cup win..  we need to definitely beef up these positions.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dd on August 30, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
Who cares the Als picked him up??  The guy did squat here and was pulling in what $200k for his joke of a season with us?!?! See ya later and watch your back in the bars down in Montreal!!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 30, 2019, 10:27:25 PM
Adams hasnt done much really either. the ball isn't being thrown their way. They throw them in warm up, but game time they have to throw the ball deeper once in awhile. I wouldn't let him go for the money saving, team budgeted for it.pay it, not going over the salary cap so why the treat it like saving money now have to look for another player. That will cost more in the long run anyway.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue girl on August 30, 2019, 10:39:43 PM
The Bombers play Montreal twice this year. Let's hope that this doesn't come back to haunt them.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 30, 2019, 10:52:22 PM
The Bombers play Montreal twice this year. Let's hope that this doesn't come back to haunt them.
Blue Girl you gotta chill out a tad we are number 1 in the league with atop ranked D rushing attack and getting their passing attack. Not to mention deadly special teams at every unit. Haunt us this no chance that chill girl chill!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 30, 2019, 10:56:03 PM
I agree that both signings seemed great at the time they were made. However, football GMing is based on results and Walters going back as far as Nick Moore, Kenny Stafford, Adarious Bowman, and Chris Matthews has an abysmal record of signing FA receivers. It's not even debateable. It's not necessarily Walters fault in most cases, but he has to wear his record...the good and the bad.


Ha, I'd totally forgot that we'd signed Kenny Stafford! Like, if you didn't bring it up, I would have never thought about it again.

Nick Moore, I agree, was also a bust, between the injuries and the average numbers when he wasn't injured. I like Weston Dressler--and he had some key receptions and TD's here and there-- but out of his three seasons with us, just one was a 1000 yard season and the other two were marginal due to injuries and a reduced role. I can't blame Walters though......he's signing the big FA guys that other teams would shell out some big money on. For whatever reason, they just don't work out.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 30, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
The Bombers play Montreal twice this year. Let's hope that this doesn't come back to haunt them.

I honestly don't think that it will.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: RebusRankin on August 30, 2019, 10:57:28 PM
Matthews was making $107,000. Seriously, people Bauming tweeted it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 30, 2019, 11:01:05 PM
Matthews was making $107,000. Seriously, people Bauming tweeted it.

Actually, that's not super huge money. I kind of wonder if--when the NFL dream dies--some guys just don't have that fire anymore.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 30, 2019, 11:35:21 PM
Actually, that's not super huge money. I kind of wonder if--when the NFL dream dies--some guys just don't have that fire anymore.
Not we haven?t see that a few hundred times up here. Ask Ontario Smith aka The Blue Bonger.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2019, 04:12:22 AM
Matthews was making $107,000. Seriously, people Bauming tweeted it.

I think that was what was left of his contract this year, that wasn't the total amount of his salary.

O'Shea made it abundantly clear in his interview yesterday, Matthews lost his position to Lawler, nobody expected it but it happened.  It's time for Lawler to prove O'Shea right by making some very big plays.



Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: bowlerdude on August 31, 2019, 05:19:01 AM
Matthews was making $107,000. Seriously, people Bauming tweeted it.

did he actually or is that from the tweet that we save about 50k?

if its the latter, that's because we don't get any savings from bonuses that we've already paid

I've read through his Twitter and don't see that and i also sincerely doubt Matthews (or anyone) would've signed long term at that tiny salary, but if he did tweet that number specifically I stand corrected


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2019, 06:48:39 AM
3 down Nation reporting that Matthews has signed with Montreal

And where is needs-to-cheat-to-stay-under-cap MTL coming up with any $$ to pay Matthews??  They were cheating to stay under the cap, ergo now that they're not cheating anymore, they are at or over the cap.

I think Matthews should have gone to BC.  Bench clown Carter and let MR chuck the big balls up to CM.  Yet another mistake by BC's GM/HC.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 31, 2019, 06:53:52 AM
And where is needs-to-cheat-to-stay-under-cap MTL coming up with any $$ to pay Matthews??  They were cheating to stay under the cap, ergo now that they're not cheating anymore, they are at or over the cap.

I think Matthews should have gone to BC.  Bench clown Carter and let MR chuck the big balls up to CM.  Yet another mistake by BC's GM/HC.


no worries and no need to cheat... they're being ran by the league, lol...  ;D


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: gobombersgo on August 31, 2019, 08:23:08 AM
Not we haven?t see that a few hundred times up here. Ask Ontario Smith aka The Blue Bonger.

Roberts sure didn't like that signing. I was at Smith's first practice - he was injured and rode a bike on the sideline the whole time.

After practice the media wanted some comments regarding Smith from Roberts but he ran away from them and hid under the grandstand. Lol


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 31, 2019, 08:25:27 AM
Roberts sure didn't like that signing. I was at Smith's first practice - he was injured and rode a bike on the sideline the whole time.

After practice the media wanted some comments regarding Smith from Roberts but he ran away from them and hid under the grandstand. Lol
I think I was their for that one as well. Dude had huge calves. Oh well he sure loved that wizzinator!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: theaardvark on September 01, 2019, 04:08:17 PM
All our DB's have extensive work in covering him... not worried about him burning us...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: DM83 on September 01, 2019, 11:57:53 PM
Lol! Matthews burning someone? Lol!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: kkc60 on September 02, 2019, 12:25:01 AM
All our DB's have extensive work in covering him... not worried about him burning us...
Matthew's isnt a burned lol.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dd on September 02, 2019, 03:52:07 AM
Lol! Matthews burning someone? Lol!
I know, best joke I ve heard all day!!

The guy is going to fade to black in Montreal , wont be in the league next year. Too many younger, hungrier and better receivers out there. He?s living in yester year!!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: theaardvark on September 06, 2019, 03:32:12 PM
So... Matthews is listed on MTL's practice roster... I guess ubtil he learns some of teh playbook, and they can shift someone off the AR...

Weird looking at the MTL home page and seeing Chris Normande as the title page player...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 06, 2019, 04:08:26 PM
So... Matthews is listed on MTL's practice roster... I guess ubtil he learns some of teh playbook, and they can shift someone off the AR...

Weird looking at the MTL home page and seeing Chris Normande as the title page player...
Just do not get stabbed again in a Montreal club!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Pigskin on September 06, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
If he was as cheap as reported, and Montreal on a roll, they maybe in no rush to bring him into the lineup.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 06, 2019, 04:30:46 PM
Eh, I'm sure it's just a time-related thing. I can't expect he'll sit on the PR for too long.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GCn19 on September 07, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
For the amount of skill Matthews provides something is very off about his career trajectory. Whether it is attitude, locker room issues, or laziness is anyone's guess...but something is up that we haven't heard about.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: DM83 on September 08, 2019, 12:37:34 AM
Huh!
Many of us have noted his laziness, his lack,of speed or effort on rotes etc.
As to why this is, is the question.
I can't believe he has that sense of "entitlement" that is sometimes seen in footbal players, and probably other people we know.

How and why? .??.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dd on September 08, 2019, 01:22:38 AM
Montreal seems to like signing our FA WR busts, last time it was adarius bowman, this time it?s Matthews. Also paid big bucks for Ernest Jackson, how did they all work out Again?!? 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 09, 2019, 03:45:15 AM
Montreal seems to like signing our FA WR busts, last time it was adarius bowman, this time it?s Matthews. Also paid big bucks for Ernest Jackson, how did they all work out Again?!? 

Bowman was done. Matthews still can play. As for Jackson, he's done well enough for the Alouettes, so your comment makes very little sense.

https://www.cfl.ca/players/ernest-jackson/150685/ (https://www.cfl.ca/players/ernest-jackson/150685/)


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dd on September 10, 2019, 01:52:22 AM
It makes total sense. Jackson went from a 1200+ yd season in Ottawa, signed as a big $$ FA, only to have a 700 yd season in 2017 followed up by a 600 yd season in 2018. So signed for big bucks but no big production. 


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on September 10, 2019, 01:55:12 AM
It makes total sense. Jackson went from a 1200+ yd season in Ottawa, signed as a big $$ FA, only to have a 700 yd season in 2017 followed up by a 600 yd season in 2018. So signed for big bucks but no big production. 
Matthews will know our receivers though and likely has a big a$$ chip on his shoulder!   Should be interesting.   I'm expecting a very tough game from them!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: DM83 on September 10, 2019, 02:35:43 AM
Seriously....???
Since IT was legalized"sleepy" Matthews, has nt broke a sweat or passed jogging speed.
I wonder if he gets off the PR before being released.
Ppppffffttt!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 10, 2019, 02:59:52 AM
Seriously....???
Since IT was legalized"sleepy" Matthews, has nt broke a sweat or passed jogging speed.
I wonder if he gets off the PR before being released.
Ppppffffttt!
good point he could very well be enjoying the erb. As I stated earlier do not get stabbed at some club on St Catherines, lol.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 10, 2019, 05:14:22 AM
Matthews will know our receivers though and likely has a big a$$ chip on his shoulder!   Should be interesting.   I'm expecting a very tough game from them!

I'm with DM and Goldie: I don't think CM gives two turds.  WPG, meh.  MTL, meh.  It's all meh.  Apathy is his mantra, from what we've seen.  He was the same in CGY.  Maybe that's also why the NFL teams always dropped him too.  Such a shame, with his size and talent, gone to waste.  Maybe he has depression or some other legit thing, who knows.  I don't hold it against the guy.

Ppppffffttt!

That's my line!!  But yes, if anything deserves a pffffft, it's this situation.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: ichabod_crane on September 10, 2019, 08:46:36 PM
It makes total sense. Jackson went from a 1200+ yd season in Ottawa, signed as a big $$ FA, only to have a 700 yd season in 2017 followed up by a 600 yd season in 2018. So signed for big bucks but no big production. 

Is "Action" Jackson still even in the league this year?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 10, 2019, 09:36:36 PM
It makes total sense. Jackson went from a 1200+ yd season in Ottawa, signed as a big $$ FA, only to have a 700 yd season in 2017 followed up by a 600 yd season in 2018. So signed for big bucks but no big production. 

No, it doesn't. You forgot the part where the Als didn't have a competent QB in either 2017 or 2018.

Seriously....???
Since IT was legalized"sleepy" Matthews, has nt broke a sweat or passed jogging speed.
I wonder if he gets off the PR before being released.
Ppppffffttt!

Dumb comment, although hardly a surprising when one considers the source. Cannabis was legalized nearly a year ago, anyway. Was anyone crapping on his production with the Stampeders after it was legalized?

Amazing how many posters turn on players the minute they falter. In this case, a receiver battling injuries and not producing on an offense with one of the crappiest passing games in the league.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: BigBomberFan on September 10, 2019, 11:08:17 PM
I'm with DM and Goldie: I don't think CM gives two turds.  WPG, meh.  MTL, meh.  It's all meh.  Apathy is his mantra, from what we've seen.  He was the same in CGY.  Maybe that's also why the NFL teams always dropped him too.  Such a shame, with his size and talent, gone to waste.  Maybe he has depression or some other legit thing, who knows.  I don't hold it against the guy.


I think that he just doesn't apply himself for a good portion of the time, and the flashes of where he applies himself, he can do great things, and that's why teams still take chances on him. He kind of reminds me of Greg Carr.....good size and skills, but consistently applying himself in games is the knock against him.

Then there's also the possibility that they're skilled at football, but they don't necessarily really like to play it anymore, where they've been doing it so long where it's the only thing that they know, but they're not into it anymore. Kinda like a job where we've had where we need the money to pay bills, but we don't like being there anymore.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: theaardvark on September 10, 2019, 11:13:35 PM
I guess we will see if he has done anything in Montreal to get him onto the AR.  Bray, Posey and Lewis are legit... Wieneke not as much... surely he can supplant one of them... if he still has it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: gobombersgo on September 10, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
I guess we will see if he has done anything in Montreal to get him onto the AR.  Bray, Posey and Lewis are legit... Wieneke not as much... surely he can supplant one of them... if he still has it.
Looks like he was added to the active roster today.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: dd on September 11, 2019, 01:17:48 AM
Is "Action" Jackson still even in the league this year?
Who knows, who cares?? He hasn?t done anything of note for 3 seasons, total bust FA mega buck signing.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Looks like he was added to the active roster today.

Good for him. I'm intrigued to see how he fits into that offense.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: kkc60 on September 11, 2019, 05:00:22 PM
Is "Action" Jackson still even in the league this year?
Who?


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_or_die on September 11, 2019, 05:19:27 PM
Who?

Ernest Jackson


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Stretch on September 11, 2019, 05:53:12 PM
Ernest Jackson

Released by the Als in May.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: DM83 on September 12, 2019, 04:39:57 AM
Really? Is he old?  He was good!  Emphasis on "was"
Glad Matthews will play.  Maybe he will start being the reputed star he was supposed to be!

I like Adams Jr and Kharis offence.

Wouldn't that be. Something If it's the ALS and Bombers in the Cup?!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 12, 2019, 05:19:17 AM
Wouldn't that be. Something If it's the ALS and Bombers in the Cup?!

Hah!  I never even thought about that as a possibility.  I suppose it could happen.  I'd have to think it's 1 in a million though.

If it is WPGvMTL in the GC, that means we just beat CGY in the WF and any team that does that will breeze through any east team the GC has to offer.

I'll take that any day of the week!


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: BlueInCgy on September 12, 2019, 01:29:34 PM
Hah!  I never even thought about that as a possibility.  I suppose it could happen.  I'd have to think it's 1 in a million though.

If it is WPGvMTL in the GC, that means we just beat CGY in the WF and any team that does that will breeze through any east team the GC has to offer.

I'll take that any day of the week!


No, a WPG MTL Grey Cup has 2001 redux written all over it.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 12, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
No, a WPG MTL Grey Cup has 2001 redux written all over it.

Disagree. That 2001 team was far and away the best in the league that season and it was their championship to lose. Their lack of focus and possible arrogance going into the big game resulted in that loss. I think a handful of key players got fat heads and paid the price, underestimating their opponent. I'm still baffled how Ritchie let that slide and 2001 remains the most disappointing season to me as a fan of this organization.

This 2019 team is not like that, though. If this team can make it to the big dance, no way in hell do O'Shea, Harris, Jefferson, etc. let anyone take their opposition lightly.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Jesse on September 12, 2019, 03:58:21 PM
Disagree. That 2001 team was far and away the best in the league that season and it was their championship to lose. Their lack of focus and possible arrogance going into the big game resulted in that loss. I think a handful of key players got fat heads and paid the price, underestimating their opponent. I'm still baffled how Ritchie let that slide and 2001 remains the most disappointing season to me as a fan of this organization.

This 2019 team is not like that, though. If this team can make it to the big dance, no way in hell do O'Shea, Harris, Jefferson, etc. let anyone take their opposition lightly.

Unfortunately, our games against Hamilton and Toronto prove this is false.

This team is just as susceptible to reading their own press clippings as any other.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 12, 2019, 04:18:06 PM
Unfortunately, our games against Hamilton and Toronto prove this is false.

This team is just as susceptible to reading their own press clippings as any other.

How is it false? That loss to the Ti-Cats was disappointing but the Ti-Cats are not pushovers. That comeback loss to the Argonauts was hopefully the wake-up call this team needed and it came at an opportune time in the season. Since then, they've only lost one game, one they lose pretty much every season (and even then, it was on the final drive).

The 2001 team basically steamrolled its way to a championship and choked in the Grey Cup.

I also won't speculate one way or another on this team being susceptible to press clippings.

And to my original point: I wouldn't see a WPG/MTL Grey Cup as a 2001 redux if it were to happen.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Jesse on September 12, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
How is it false? That loss to the Ti-Cats was disappointing but the Ti-Cats are not pushovers. That comeback loss to the Argonauts was hopefully the wake-up call this team needed and it came at an opportune time in the season. Since then, they've only lost one game, one they lose pretty much every season (and even then, it was on the final drive).

The 2001 team basically steamrolled its way to a championship and choked in the Grey Cup.

I also won't speculate one way or another on this team being susceptible to press clippings.

And to my original point: I wouldn't see a WPG/MTL Grey Cup as a 2001 redux if it were to happen.

IMO, it's false because we have a concrete example of the Bombers taking an opponent too lightly and losing a game they should win. We can  hope that they learned their lesson, but I don't think we've seen an example of that yet.

As to your original point, I wouldn't relate a WPG/MTL Grey to 2001 either.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 12, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
IMO, it's false because we have a concrete example of the Bombers taking an opponent too lightly and losing a game they should win. We can  hope that they learned their lesson, but I don't think we've seen an example of that yet.

As to your original point, I wouldn't relate a WPG/MTL Grey to 2001 either.

I guess what I'm saying is it's better to underestimate an opponent and lose in August, learn a lesson, and be better for it, rather than underestimate an opponent in late November and have it be too late.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue_or_die on September 12, 2019, 04:31:21 PM
A potentially meaningless last game + W21 bye week + first place berth giving a bye will force us to ensure we don't "read our own press clippings" or feel we "steamrolled" our way to the top. Focus will definitely need to be there and I also hope that the Hamilton and Toronto flubs were the last we saw of that.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: 1chad on September 13, 2019, 05:36:52 PM
I guess what I'm saying is it's better to underestimate an opponent and lose in August, learn a lesson, and be better for it, rather than underestimate an opponent in late November and have it be too late.

Exactly


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: DM83 on September 14, 2019, 01:01:53 AM
There is the proverbial silver lining. 
Even if we blow it, we have an extremely good nucleus

I guess it seems we need a star DB to come in and dominate( Bolden) amd. Receiver, but the guys we have are adequate for a ball control game manager type team ..Sean Salisbury, Tom Clements Tom Burgess and who am I forgetting, all get it done.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: ichabod_crane on September 14, 2019, 01:02:05 AM
How is it false? That loss to the Ti-Cats was disappointing but the Ti-Cats are not pushovers. That comeback loss to the Argonauts was hopefully the wake-up call this team needed and it came at an opportune time in the season. Since then, they've only lost one game, one they lose pretty much every season (and even then, it was on the final drive).

The 2001 team basically steamrolled its way to a championship and choked in the Grey Cup.

I also won't speculate one way or another on this team being susceptible to press clippings.

And to my original point: I wouldn't see a WPG/MTL Grey Cup as a 2001 redux if it were to happen.


It was Winnipeg vs Calgary in that 2001 Grey Cup. The game was in Montreal. Choke city is right! :(


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: theaardvark on September 15, 2019, 03:33:10 AM
1 catch on 2 targets for 42 yards, his third best production day this year...


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2019, 09:49:58 AM
1 catch on 2 targets for 42 yards, his third best production day this year...

Ya, pretty invisible.  Seemed to be jogging again.

I'm more disappointed my Weineke fantasy pick didn't get even a single look.  Besides his 3 main guys, Adams doesn't spread the ball around much.  We can prey on that in our match up.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on September 15, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
I read somewhere on this post that VA doesn't pass the ball around much....he threw to 5 different receivers for 344 yards.....Matthews had the longest reception at 42 yards.   Was this is first game for the Als?   


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: blue girl on September 15, 2019, 05:32:02 PM
I read somewhere on this post that VA doesn't pass the ball around much....he threw to 5 different receivers for 344 yards.....Matthews had the longest reception at 42 yards.   Was this is first game for the Als?   
Yes it was. He got on the roster because Jeremiah Johnson was injured.


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on September 15, 2019, 10:35:55 PM
Yes it was. He got on the roster because Jeremiah Johnson was injured.
I wonder if he'll be playing against us in Montreal?   I'm sure his fingers are crossed!  Let's hope if he gets on the field against us that those long legs of his get 🤞!!   


Title: Re: Chris Matthews released by the Bombers - signed by Als
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2019, 06:12:30 AM
I read somewhere on this post that VA doesn't pass the ball around much....he threw to 5 different receivers for 344 yards.....Matthews had the longest reception at 42 yards.   Was this is first game for the Als?   

I didn't say VA doesn't pass much, I said he doesn't spread it around as much (as say WPG).

rec yards receiver
8 130 Lewis
6 73 Posey
4 73 Bray

Matthews was just the 1 reception on 2 targets.  Stanback had a couple, but he doesn't count as he's the RB, and on the field for every down, so he gets the dump pass.

Not one single target for the rest of the O weapons:
Wieneke
Lussier
Murray-Lawrence
(not to mention their FBs)

That would be like a game where we only target Adams once and throw nothing at all to Petermann, Lawler and Woli.  We tend to spread the ball around more, which is why picking WPG WRs for fantasy is usually a bad idea.  We make every player a threat (even Miller!) so that the D's are forced to defend everyone carefully.

If I was playing MTL, I would forget the above players completely as they probably aren't even in the read sequence.  Or, at the very least, cheat up closer to the real targets while keeping just an eye on the nobodies.  Just focus on the "big 3", and also Matthews for the few times he's on-field.