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Title: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
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JUST IN: #Redblacks name Dominique Davis starting quarterback. #CFL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 03, 2019, 02:38:46 PM
I guess Jennings didn't have something left in the tank. Good for DD, maybe he can bring some honour back to those initials as a former Bombers QB... 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 1chad on June 03, 2019, 02:41:15 PM
I guess Jennings didn't have something left in the tank. Good for DD, maybe he can bring some honour back to those initials as a former Bombers QB... 
hope he wears number 4


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 03, 2019, 02:53:03 PM
Eskimos release Spooner and Danny O'Brien, among others.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 03, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
Eskimos release Spooner and Danny O'Brien, among others.
I'm surprised Spooner has looked like such a bust


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2019, 03:42:55 PM
I'm surprised Spooner has looked like such a bust

Yah, I was hoping he would stick in Edm. so we could get a better evaluation of him. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blueraid on June 03, 2019, 04:10:13 PM
Spooner is a surprise....guess he wasn't the talent we thought he was??   Tough biz


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2019, 04:19:27 PM
Spooner is a surprise....guess he wasn't the talent we thought he was??   Tough biz

I really wanted to find out whether it was talent, work-ethic or attitude that was holding him back.  We may never know.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 03, 2019, 05:45:55 PM
my only knock on Davis was his inability to get thru his reads in a timely manner... he has about average arm talent but needs to be able to trust what he sees and pull the trigger... maybe more snaps will help him in this area... regardless, I hope he does well...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 03, 2019, 07:25:55 PM
Davis always had a great arm, and could move around in the pocket. Ottawa has taken the time to develop him.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TheHypnotoad on June 03, 2019, 07:53:41 PM
Dude beat out Jon Jennings for QB1, not that big of an accomplishment. Stop planning the GC parade lLOL!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 03, 2019, 08:53:14 PM
Yah, I was hoping he would stick in Edm. so we could get a better evaluation of him. 
I just wanna forget that whole class happened


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2019, 11:31:27 PM
I just wanna forget that whole class happened

Bombers still have Grey and Conteh from the 2015 draft and have a chance to re-acquire Menard-Briere if they want him.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on June 04, 2019, 01:20:52 PM
Bombers still have Grey and Conteh from the 2015 draft and have a chance to re-acquire Menard-Briere if they want him.

2017


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 01:22:35 PM
Bombers still have Grey and Conteh from the 2015 draft and have a chance to re-acquire Menard-Briere if they want him.
Now it's just Gray


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 04, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
2017

Yes, that's what I meant to type!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the.inkster on June 04, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
Ti-Cats cut 3 today, most notably Shamawd Chambers

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/04/ticats-release-veteran-national-wr-shamawd-chambers/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/04/ticats-release-veteran-national-wr-shamawd-chambers/)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 04, 2019, 07:16:10 PM
I think Chambers had one good games his whole career.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on June 04, 2019, 07:23:17 PM
I think Chambers had one good games his whole career.

Good example of the life cycle of the National player in the CFL. I remember being super excited about him and wanting to draft him and make him a prime Canadian receiver at a time where we didn't really have any. This is normal.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the paw on June 04, 2019, 07:40:09 PM
I think Chambers had one good games his whole career.

Textbook under-achiever.  Had all the tools to be another Cory Watson (or better) but never really put it all together. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 04, 2019, 08:07:06 PM
He'll likely get another chance. I'll guess Edmonton.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: KINGCHARLES on June 04, 2019, 08:24:50 PM
I think Chambers had one good games his whole career.

If Rashaun Simonise or Daniel Peterman only has one good game in their whole CFL career I hope its in the Grey Cup just like Chambers.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 04, 2019, 09:13:29 PM
He'll likely get another chance. I'll guess Edmonton.

I think that's where he started his career?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 04, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
I think that's where he started his career?
Yah, but they lost Parker for the season so they need an NI receiver.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 04, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Yah, but they lost Parker for the season so they need an NI receiver.

Good point.  They could also pick up one someone that we cut. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 05, 2019, 03:16:52 AM
Edmonton needs Canadian receivers? Simonise for Mulumba.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 05, 2019, 03:28:29 AM
Good point.  They could also pick up one someone that we cut. 
Schrot is our only projected Canadian cut


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 05, 2019, 03:29:04 AM
Edmonton needs Canadian receivers? Simonise for Mulumba.
I'm not nearly ready to give up on Simonise


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 05, 2019, 03:57:45 AM
JUST IN: #Redblacks name Dominique Davis starting quarterback. #CFL

OK, that's the shocker of the year so far.  They bring in Jennings probably at great expense, Jennings with like 20 games starting under his belt, and they hand the reins to Dom with 3(?) starts?  Huh?

Sure, we all like to bash on Jennings, but he has won many games as starter in BC, beating quality teams like WPG and EDM and HAM.  He's shown he can be a huge deep ball threat.  Sure, he's kind of Franklin-ing out lately, but IMHO he's still miles above never-did-squat-in-wpg Dom.

To me Dom is like a slightly-better Brohm.  His main forte is throwing it into the turf 5 yards in front of the receiver, or overshooting it with his strong arm on the deep ball.  He was botching throws in the televised game the other night.

Is this purely a loyalty thing?  If so, he'll be on a short leash, or have a 2 QB C.Jones-type situation.  If they just bench Jennings, I don't see how they keep all that Jennings SMS benched too.  Does this mean Jennings is going to be released soon?

That said, I do think Dom is improving every year, as he is clearly better than when in WPG, but he's still Dom and IMHO is not starter material.

Edmonton needs Canadian receivers? Simonise for Mulumba.

I'm not nearly ready to give up on Simonise

And EMD is not ready to give up Mulumba!  Did you listen to the EDM radio game?  Mulamba was all over the place lighting it up.  He was the star of the game.  No way D-starved EDM gives him up.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 05, 2019, 12:59:53 PM
Davis has a full year in Ottawa's offence, he should know it inside and out. He looked better than Jennings in the first preseason game. Jennings isn't known for being a cerebral QB who picks things up quickly. He's a physically gifted QB who takes too many risks. No surprise that Davis was named the starting QB at this point in time. By mid-season tho, it could easily change.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 05, 2019, 02:56:02 PM
I liked Davis when he was here, and he's a Huff recruit, so there has to be at least a little talent there.  A lot of QB's didn't hit stride until their third team... I remember a guy who played for Vegas and then Hamilton...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 06, 2019, 01:09:15 AM
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/05/argos-release-national-wr-anthony-coombs/

What do folks think about him, will he sign somewhere?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 01:31:51 AM
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/05/argos-release-national-wr-anthony-coombs/

What do folks think about him, will he sign somewhere?

Jeepers wouldn't that be amazing if the Bombers picked him up.....unfortunately no room.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 02:55:30 AM
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/05/argos-release-national-wr-anthony-coombs/

What do folks think about him, will he sign somewhere?
He will sign somewhere. I think Sask


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 06, 2019, 04:04:54 AM
AC is injured all the time.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 06, 2019, 04:46:11 AM
Davis has a full year in Ottawa's offence, he should know it inside and out. He looked better than Jennings in the first preseason game. Jennings isn't known for being a cerebral QB who picks things up quickly. He's a physically gifted QB who takes too many risks. No surprise that Davis was named the starting QB at this point in time. By mid-season tho, it could easily change.

Hehe, by mid 1st game!  I'm actually equally as shocked that Jennings would agree to come to a place that wouldn't guarantee that's he's the #1 starter.  At this juncture, based on actual game play, I'd say Jennings would be the 2nd best QB in the E, after Masoli.  Surely he could have gotten a starter's job in MTL or TOR.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/05/argos-release-national-wr-anthony-coombs/

What do folks think about him, will he sign somewhere?

I think Coombs would be a great addition to WFC!  Pigskin is right, though, he's never playing, always injured, except that one great season.  If no one wants him and he's cheap like borscht, why not pick him up?  As a NAT, he's basically a roster "freebie".  Even if he's always hurt, what's the harm?  Surely he'd be available for a couple of games a year?  Hell, we carried always-hurt Wild for 3 injury-filled seasons, and he's not even a NAT freebie!

And, is it just my ageing memory acting up, or is Coombs a Winnipegger / former Bison?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on June 06, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Hehe, by mid 1st game!  I'm actually equally as shocked that Jennings would agree to come to a place that wouldn't guarantee that's he's the #1 starter.  At this juncture, based on actual game play, I'd say Jennings would be the 2nd best QB in the E, after Masoli.  Surely he could have gotten a starter's job in MTL or TOR.

I think Coombs would be a great addition to WFC!  Pigskin is right, though, he's never playing, always injured, except that one great season.  If no one wants him and he's cheap like borscht, why not pick him up?  As a NAT, he's basically a roster "freebie".  Even if he's always hurt, what's the harm?  Surely he'd be available for a couple of games a year?  Hell, we carried always-hurt Wild for 3 injury-filled seasons, and he's not even a NAT freebie!

And, is it just my ageing memory acting up, or is Coombs a Winnipegger / former Bison?


Bison I'm not sure. But certainly a Winnipeger.  And he'd be hurt less is he was spelling Demski.  Great option to have.  Or do we go with Peter an in that role?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 06, 2019, 11:37:37 AM
He?s a Bison. Played together with Demski and LaFrance.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on June 06, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
Davis has a full year in Ottawa's offence, he should know it inside and out. He looked better than Jennings in the first preseason game. Jennings isn't known for being a cerebral QB who picks things up quickly. He's a physically gifted QB who takes too many risks. No surprise that Davis was named the starting QB at this point in time. By mid-season tho, it could easily change.

I agree. I wonder if coach isn't sold on either, but Jennings has more likelihood of long term success if he's not named the starter right off the hop.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
I don't think there is room in Winnipeg even without concerns about his injury concerns. We need to find out whether Augustine and Oliveria have long term futures.

Coombs may land somewhere but it may take awhile as teams are only a few days away from final roster cuts.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 01:14:32 PM
I agree. I wonder if coach isn't sold on either, but Jennings has more likelihood of long term success if he's not named the starter right off the hop.

I think Jennings will get plenty of playing time in Ottawa unless Davis racks up the V's right out of the gate, if you think back to Burris/Harris Campbell doesn't hesitate to pull #1 if he's not getting the job done.  I was quite surprised he verbally committed to Davis when it wasn't really necessary, they'll both see plenty of snaps.  Bigger problem for the RB's was losing Elizondo and not having time to replace him, they did hire PaoPao but have him listed as a RB coach.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
He?s a Bison. Played together with Demski and LaFrance.

I believe Demski tried out with the Bisons as a RB but couldn't steal the job from Coombs so he ended up as a SB, now the shoe is on the other foot but they're both better suited to Demski's role in the slot.  Neither has the bulk or the aptitude to play RB full-time.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 06, 2019, 03:21:26 PM
I don't think there is room in Winnipeg even without concerns about his injury concerns. We need to find out whether Augustine and Oliveria have long term futures.

Coombs may land somewhere but it may take awhile as teams are only a few days away from final roster cuts.

The only fit for on this team, is a backup to Demski and it will be related the Bombers plan with Petermann.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 06, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
Coombs would have been an immediate signing a few years ago, but his durability and our plethora of Nat RB/SB/WR talent precludes his signing here, IMHO.  Now, should he get passed over everywhere else and wants a gig at home where it may be cheaper to live, I'm sure we'd find a spot on the PR for him, or even an incentivized min wage contract...  he would be great depth, but I wouldn't want to count on him for 18 games.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 03:47:15 PM
Coombs would have been an immediate signing a few years ago, but his durability and our plethora of Nat RB/SB/WR talent precludes his signing here, IMHO.  Now, should he get passed over everywhere else and wants a gig at home where it may be cheaper to live, I'm sure we'd find a spot on the PR for him, or even an incentivized min wage contract...  he would be great depth, but I wouldn't want to count on him for 18 games.

I could see Coombs ending up here next TC depending on how the off-season shakes out, who stays and who leaves, but injuries are a huge concern with him so he's facing an uphill battle.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
The only fit for on this team, is a backup to Demski and it will be related the Bombers plan with Petermann.

Coombs is more like Demski than Petermann in that he's a player that somewhat will be able to utilize his RB skills. Sweeps and short passes which are essentially run plays.

I see Petermann more as a SB type getting the majority of his passes over the LOS. That's not a bad thing but I don't see him used the same way Demski or Coombs might be used.

That's not a pitch to sign Coombs. I want to see what Augustine and Oliveria bring to the table.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 06, 2019, 04:44:11 PM
Coombs is Johnny Sears 2.0. Walking band aid.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 06, 2019, 04:46:51 PM
Coombs is more like Demski than Petermann in that he's a player that somewhat will be able to utilize his RB skills. Sweeps and short passes which are essentially run plays.

I see Petermann more as a SB type getting the majority of his passes over the LOS. That's not a bad thing but I don't see him used the same way Demski or Coombs might be used.

That's not a pitch to sign Coombs. I want to see what Augustine and Oliveria bring to the table.

I'm thinking this is Augustine's last chance to "show what he's got".  Love the kid, love what he brings, but I'm not sure he can stand up to the competition...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 04:56:17 PM
I'm thinking this is Augustine's last chance to "show what he's got".  Love the kid, love what he brings, but I'm not sure he can stand up to the competition...

True enough. Augustine might really need to have a good game on Friday to keep a spot on the AR. I'm not sure we have room for 3 RB's on the roster.

He'll have to show some talent on ST's to beat out some challengers.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 05:41:42 PM
True enough. Augustine might really need to have a good game on Friday to keep a spot on the AR. I'm not sure we have room for 3 RB's on the roster.

He'll have to show some talent on ST's to beat out some challengers.

They did last season but I believe Augustine spent much of the season on the PR.  Oliveira can take over from LaFrance at FB and they can groom him to eventually replace Harris, but I'm not sure he has the foot speed to match Augustine.  The curse of living in the shadow of Harris.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 06, 2019, 07:41:00 PM
A couple of years ago I'd have loved to have Coombs but he's had too many injuries. Pass.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 07:54:14 PM
I agree. I wonder if coach isn't sold on either, but Jennings has more likelihood of long term success if he's not named the starter right off the hop.

I think that it's Jennings history of erratic peformance, good today, bad tomorrow, that is giving Dom the edge... they probably figure that they know they have Jennings so throw Dom out there and see what he can do if put into that position... they are a bit of a work in progress at this point now anyway since they lost Harris...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 07:59:20 PM
Coombs is more like Demski than Petermann in that he's a player that somewhat will be able to utilize his RB skills. Sweeps and short passes which are essentially run plays.

I see Petermann more as a SB type getting the majority of his passes over the LOS. That's not a bad thing but I don't see him used the same way Demski or Coombs might be used.

That's not a pitch to sign Coombs. I want to see what Augustine and Oliveria bring to the table.

running back skills? he's averaged 3.6 yards per GAME over 5 seasons...

I agree though, I see Augustine or Oliveria  as a better option, especially since they are already Bombers... but I think that Petermann could play that hybrid position in the slot with his size and build, seems able to shed at least initial contact from a defender...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 08:06:13 PM
running back skills? he's averaged 3.6 yards per GAME over 5 seasons...

I agree though, I see Augustine or Oliveria  as a better option, especially since they are already Bombers... but I think that Petermann could play that hybrid position in the slot with his size and build, seems able to shed at least initial contact from a defender...

Did you read what I said? More of a short pass receiver behind the LOS as a safety value type player. Not a player you might see further down field in the normal sense of a receiver.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 08:11:46 PM
Did you read what I said? More of a short pass receiver behind the LOS as a safety value type player. Not a player you might see further down field in the normal sense of a receiver.

Did you read what I said? I agreed with you in your overall assessment... I just pointed out that I don't think he's shown much RB skill for him to utilize...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
running back skills? he's averaged 3.6 yards per GAME over 5 seasons...

I agree though, I see Augustine or Oliveria  as a better option, especially since they are already Bombers... but I think that Petermann could play that hybrid position in the slot with his size and build, seems able to shed at least initial contact from a defender...

Petermann would be better suited to Dressler's SB role than Demski's, I haven't seen any sign of RB skills other than determination.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 09:19:03 PM
Petermann would be better suited to Dressler's SB role than Demski's, I haven't seen any sign of RB skills other than determination.

I don't know, Dressler's route running ability and the way he stays in the play to get open when things are breaking down makes him harder to replace/duplicate in my mind... Petermann has the speed, maybe those other 'Dressler type' attributes can come in time for Petermann as well...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 06, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
I think the Bombers are hoping Whitehead can fill part of the void left by Dressler. If he makes it as a DI I could see him coming in for some sweep plays but also act as a decoy.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 09:46:53 PM
Did you read what I said? I agreed with you in your overall assessment... I just pointed out that I don't think he's shown much RB skill for him to utilize...

I did. However a player that was a RB in college is more elusive with running style than a receiver might be. He might also not be as easy to knock down with 1st contact.

Coming into the pros he might not be up to standards as an actual  RB ( import ) that probably played against better talent. He did average about 7.4 yards in 2013 in university. Like any RB he needs more than 3 or 4 caries a game to have any success.


He did have a 107 yard run in 2013.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 10:17:18 PM
Coombs is unnecessary. All he does is lessen the chances we ever see what Simonise and Petermann can do


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
Coombs is unnecessary. All he does is lessen the chances we ever see what Simonise and Petermann can do

You hate to see injuries happen but it sure would be helpful for those two if a few starters missed a game or three.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 11:37:35 PM
You hate to see injuries happen but it sure would be helpful for those two if a few starters missed a game or three.
Would also give us a good idea of what we have considering Wolitarsky is in a contract year, and who knows how much Demski is making and if he is worth the price


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 07, 2019, 03:49:08 AM
Would also give us a good idea of what we have considering Wolitarsky is in a contract year, and who knows how much Demski is making and if he is worth the price

I think Simonese just bought his own ticket out of town.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 07, 2019, 03:51:35 AM
I think Simonese just bought his own ticket out of town.
I missed a bunch of the game. What happened? Cuz imo he is a talented young Canadian. We don't want him to be the next Demski


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 07, 2019, 04:02:05 AM
I think Petermann has nothing to worry about.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 07, 2019, 04:06:59 AM
I missed a bunch of the game. What happened? Cuz imo he is a talented young Canadian. We don't want him to be the next Demski

Well from my count, he dropped 3 fairly catchable balls and caught none.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 07, 2019, 04:08:58 AM
Well from my count, he dropped 3 fairly catchable balls and caught none.
Oof. I still think he can pull it off. He needs coaching but I mean this is his make or break year. To be fair everyone seemed to have dropped a ball except Walker and Petermann for the backups.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 07, 2019, 04:19:24 PM
Simonese has had a full year of coaching. This is it, you either make the catches in the game or you can't.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2019, 04:25:25 PM
I'd keep him and be patient. He just turned 24 and nationals are afforded more time. Hasn't had the world's best camp or pre-season but he's been healthy and isn't far off.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 07, 2019, 04:32:37 PM
I'd keep him and be patient. He just turned 24 and nationals are afforded more time. Hasn't had the world's best camp or pre-season but he's been healthy and isn't far off.

Not against that but his salary might come into play depending on what it is. That's the tough part of having to pay more than ELC's for higher draft choices and needing to wait 1+ years.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
Not against that but his salary might come into play depending on what it is. That's the tough part of having to pay more than ELC's for higher draft choices and needing to wait 1+ years.

CFL minimum this year is 54K. In 2017, Ekakatie made 88K as the first overall pick (not including incentives which I imagine he didn't hit). That's a difference of 34K. However, Simonise didn't go first overall, he went 12th (3rd pick of the 2nd round). His premium would be far lower, likely, somewhere around 65-70K. If there's a better player/prospect that beats him out of a roster spot that's one thing but the SMS hit shouldn't really be a factor. I personally think he's still a blue chip prospect.

https://3downnation.com/2017/05/16/first-overall-pick-2017-cfl-draft-gets-healthy-raise/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 07, 2019, 04:40:04 PM
Not against that but his salary might come into play depending on what it is. That's the tough part of having to pay more than ELC's for higher draft choices and needing to wait 1+ years.
He was a second rounder so probably not too bad


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TheHypnotoad on June 07, 2019, 05:09:46 PM
Simonise has this year to prove himself then he's cut. We need 2 backup CDN recs, him  and peterman. Peterman is clear #3, Simonise fills a diff role than all the other CDNS he aint going anywhere. Shrot maybe on PR but aside from 1 catch in preseason game 1 IDK. Guarentee Simonise makes the roster this year.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on June 07, 2019, 05:32:01 PM
I missed a bunch of the game. What happened? Cuz imo he is a talented young Canadian. We don't want him to be the next Demski

I doubt Simonise is is any sort of danger as a fairly highly-touted Canadian prospect with a lot of physical talent... those players are given time to develop... I think he has this year still before he's in any trouble. Having said that, pretty sure we'd be over the moon if Simonise is ever nearly as productive as Demski.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: RebusRankin on June 07, 2019, 05:50:31 PM
Former #1 overall Josiah St John cut by the Argos.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 07, 2019, 06:21:31 PM
Toronto Argonauts Media Relations
@ArgonautsMR
The club announced today we have released the following players:

WR Austin Duke
DB Jamie Harry
WR Kamathi Holsey
DL Trevaughan James
DL Cardell Rawlings
OL Josiah St. John
DB Malik Davis
DL Alexandre Gagnon
DL Evan Foster


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 07, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
Toronto Argonauts Media Relations
@ArgonautsMR
The club announced today we have released the following players:

WR Austin Duke
DB Jamie Harry
WR Kamathi Holsey
DL Trevaughan James
DL Cardell Rawlings
OL Josiah St. John
DB Malik Davis
DL Alexandre Gagnon
DL Evan Foster

M'eh... nothing to see here... move along... ;)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue72 on June 07, 2019, 06:27:57 PM
Just wondering if Simonise is dropping the ball in hope of getting cut and maybe being a starter on another team rather then being a backup for another year and hardly playing?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 07, 2019, 06:29:36 PM
Just wondering if Simonise is dropping the ball in hope of getting cut and maybe being a starter on another team rather then being a backup for another year and hardly playing?
No. That's a completely unrealistic conspiracy theory. How would looking bad in the preseason get you a starting spot elsewhere


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 07, 2019, 06:38:52 PM
Just wondering if Simonise is dropping the ball in hope of getting cut and maybe being a starter on another team rather then being a backup for another year and hardly playing?
Being a bit harsh on him...his one drop was a contested ball and if he made the catch would have been a highlight reel variety...not like it hit him in the mitts uncontested....can't speak for the other ones but from sounds of it were catcheable balls but far from simple butter finger drops


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 07, 2019, 07:10:06 PM
Just wondering if Simonise is dropping the ball in hope of getting cut and maybe being a starter on another team rather then being a backup for another year and hardly playing?
Where's he gonna start?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 07, 2019, 07:26:11 PM
M'eh... nothing to see here... move along... ;)

Evan Foster is a former Bison player, looked good in the 2017 Combine.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 07, 2019, 10:26:41 PM
Evan Foster is a former Bison player, looked good in the 2017 Combine.

Toronto has a lot of Nat DL still on their roster, to have finished behind all those says a lot...  maybe as a local guy on the PR as a project... but even then...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 07, 2019, 10:33:29 PM
Toronto has a lot of Nat DL still on their roster, to have finished behind all those says a lot...  maybe as a local guy on the PR as a project... but even then...
We all know if we sign the guy you will gush about it


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 07, 2019, 11:19:22 PM
We all know if we sign the guy you will gush about it

Like I'm gushing at the thought of signing Coombs?  Thanks for your attention to my posts/habits. but I don't get that excited about third round picks that never panned out... he had 1 ST tackle in 2 years in Toronto, dressing for 9 games.  He didn't dress for the GC in '17, but he was on the PR... not sure if that gets you a ring or not...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 07, 2019, 11:42:55 PM
Toronto has a lot of Nat DL still on their roster, to have finished behind all those says a lot...  maybe as a local guy on the PR as a project... but even then...

Not suggesting they pick him up, just pointing out he is a MB. boy.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 08, 2019, 12:51:21 AM
The Ottawa REDBLACKS of the Canadian Football League made the following roster transactions:

RELEASED:

Global receiver Jordan Bouah (Saddleback)
International defensive lineman Kevin Bronson (USF)
National linebacker Charles Brousseau (Sherbrooke)
International defensive back Joe Brown (Western Kentucky)
International defensive back Shamar Busby (Southeastern Louisiana)
National offensive lineman Jacob Czaja (St. Francis Xavier)
International defensive back Monteze Latimore (Central Missouri State)
National linebacker Drew Morris (Acadia)
National receiver Tyrone Pierre (Laval)
International receiver Darius Powe (California)
International offensive lineman Ryan Schmidt (St. Lawrence)
International defensive lineman John Sheehy (West Texas A&M)
International defensive lineman Max Valles (Virginia)

https://www.ottawaredblacks.com/2019/06/07/transactions-june-7-2019/ (https://www.ottawaredblacks.com/2019/06/07/transactions-june-7-2019/)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 08, 2019, 02:07:11 PM
MTL releases coach Sherman...

WT fizzy?  Team in upheaval, ownership problems, Reed as GM and now this?  Khari is QB coach, OC and HC?  Yikes...


gary lawlessVerified account @garylawless

I?d love to be a fly on the wall listening to what Lapo had to say this morning ...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on June 08, 2019, 02:12:42 PM
Released: The Saskatchewan Roughriders have not announced their cuts yet but it is being reported that they have parted ways with QB David Watford among others.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 08, 2019, 02:34:09 PM
Released: The Saskatchewan Roughriders have not announced their cuts yet but it is being reported that they have parted ways with QB David Watford among others.

And Chad Geter...


Chad Geter @ChadGeter_38

It?s been real Rider Nation.


So, in SSK, Geter Done...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Horseman on June 08, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
Released: The Saskatchewan Roughriders have not announced their cuts yet but it is being reported that they have parted ways with QB David Watford among others.

They are probably on the phone to Bennet's agent as we speak.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 08, 2019, 05:34:40 PM
They are probably on the phone to Bennet's agent as we speak.

Riders still have 5 QB's on their roster.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 08, 2019, 05:40:26 PM
RIDERS TRANSACTIONS

The Saskatchewan Roughriders announced the following roster moves:

ADDED TO THE PRACTICE ROSTER:

International offensive lineman Rene Brassea
International defensive back Blace Brown
National defensive lineman Charbel Dabire
International defensive lineman Jeremy Faulk
International defensive back Javier Garcia
International defensive lineman Chester Graves
International wide receiver Carlos Henderson
International defensive back L.J. McCray
International wide receiver Paul McRoberts
International running back Jamal Morrow
National wide receiver Mitchell Picton
National offensive lineman Braden Schram
RETURNED TO JUNIOR

National offensive lineman Logan Ferland
National defensive back Colton Holmes
National wide receiver Greg Lamb
National offensive lineman Mason Ochs
RELEASED

International defensive back Valentino Blake
National defensive lineman Mathieu Breton
International defensive back Crezdon Butler
International running back James Butler
International wide receiver Kyle Davis
National defensive back Jacob Dearborn
International wide receiver Austin Ellsworth
International quarterback Ty Gangi
International defensive lineman Chad Geter
International wide receiver Donald Gray
National defensive back Jacob Janke
National linebacker Christopher Judge
International linebacker Deon King
National defensive lineman Tresor Mafuta
International wide receiver Sebastien Olvera
International offensive lineman E.J. Price
International defensive lineman Gerald Rivers
International defensive back Stephen Roberts
National offensive lineman Vincent Roy
National kicker Sean Stenger
International offensive lineman Travis Vornkahl
International quarterback David Watford
International wide receiver Malik Wilson


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 08, 2019, 06:09:34 PM
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/07/making-moves-tracking-roster-cuts-around-cfl/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 08, 2019, 07:46:28 PM
The Ottawa REDBLACKS of the Canadian Football League made the following roster transactions:

RELEASED:

International quarterback Danny Collins (Maine)
International running back Dalton Crossan (New Hampshire)
International defensive back Irondhead Gallon (Georgia Southern)
International/global defensive lineman Max Soto (Tecnologico de Monterrey)
ADDED TO PRACTICE ROSTER:

International running back John Crockett (North Dakota State)
International defensive back Deandre Farris (Western Kentucky)
International defensive back Shaneil Jenkins (Shepherd)
National receiver Wesley Lewis (Houston Baptist)
National running back Greg Morris (New Mexico Military)
National offensive lineman Daniel Omara (Carleton)
National defensive lineman Kene Onyeka (Carleton)
International offensive lineman DeVondre Seymour (Southern Illinois)
International defensive back Ranthony Texada (TCU)
International/global receiver Guillermo Villalobos (Tecnologico de Monterrey)
International defensive lineman Blaine Woodson (Delaware)
SUSPENDED:

National defensive lineman Samson Abbott (Manitoba)
International receiver Devonte Dedmon (William & Mary)
National defensive lineman Thomas Grant (Acadia)
National defensive lineman Chris Larsen (Manitoba)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue newt on June 08, 2019, 07:53:38 PM
Redblacks have a lot of suspended players.  Is that code for, "He's going back to school and we want to hang on to him for next year"?



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 09, 2019, 02:30:48 AM
The BC Lions have released the following 13 players as per the CFL?s deadline for final roster cutdown:

Players released:

QB Austin Apodaca (I)
K/P Anthony Alix (N)
WR Joey Augustin (I)
WR Levern Jacobs (I)
WR Jamaal Jones (I)
WR Shakeir Ryan (I)
WR Josh Stanford (N)
WR Jesse Walker (N)
WR Will Watson (N)
DL Vantrel McMillan (I)
DL Julien Laurent (N)
DB Marloshawn Franklin (I)
DB Nate Hamlin (N)
DB Keon Lyn (I)
LB Steffon Herd (I)
OL Eric Lofton (I)
OL Cassidy Curtis (I)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 09, 2019, 02:33:49 AM
The Edmonton Eskimos have made the following transactions:

Practice Roster:

International wide receiver Bryce Bobo
National defensive back Scott Hutter
International defensive lineman Darius Jackson
National defensive lineman Mark Mackie
International defensive lineman Kelcey Quarles
International defensive back Jose Romero
National offensive lineman Jean-Simon Roy
National running back Alex Taylor
International defensive back Brian Walker
International linebacker Jonathan Walton
International quarterback Troy Williams
International wide receiver Diego Viamontes
Released:

National offensive lineman Kwabena Asare
National defensive lineman Gabriel Bagnell
International wide receiver Tyler Batson
International linebacker DJ Calhoun
International linebacker Daniel Carrete
International defensive lineman Kyle Cerge-Henderson
International wide receiver Torrance Gibson
International offensive lineman Tyler Howell
International running back Blake Ingleton
International defensive lineman Jamar King
International defensive lineman Shaquille Riddick
National defensive back Oshane Samuels
International defensive lineman Ben Sorensen
International defensive back Jalen Spencer
International wide receiver Ron?quavion Tarver
International defensive back Nick Taylor
International defensive lineman Trenton Thompson
Suspended:

National defensive back Eric Blake
National wide receiver Hunter Karl
International defensive lineman David Perkins
National wide receiver Malik Richards
Retired:

National defensive back Bryce Bartlett
National kicker Greg Hutchins
International defensive back Robert Priester


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 09, 2019, 02:36:27 AM
The Calgary Stampeders have made a number of roster moves in accordance with today?s CFL deadline.

 

The following players have been released:

National defensive back Zacary Alexis
International linebacker Jerod Fernandez
National kicker Gabe Ferraro
International receiver Shay Fields
International defensive back Reese Fleming
International running back LaDarius Galloway
International receiver Christian Gibbs
International linebacker Anthony Gore
International defensive back Gump Hayes
National defensive lineman Michael Kashak
National receiver Julan Lynch
International defensive lineman Jonathan Massaquoi
National defensive back Dagogo Maxwell
International defensive back Marko Myers
International defensive lineman Rickey Neal
International defensive lineman Kevin Prosser
International defensive back Mike Stevens
International defensive lineman Darnell Thompson
International defensive lineman Charles Walker
International receiver Griff Whalen
International linebacker Travis Wilson
 

The following players are returning to their university teams:

National receiver Colton Hunchak (York)
National running back Job Reinhart (Guelph)
National defensive back Nick Statz (Calgary)
 

The following players have been added to the practice roster:

International receiver Daniel Braverman
National offensive lineman David Brown
Global offensive lineman Guillermo Calderon
International running back Ka?Deem Carey
International defensive lineman Chris Casher
International defensive back Jamari Gilbert
National offensive lineman Jaylan Guthrie
International receiver Aaron Peck
Global kicker Oscar Hugo Silva
National offensive lineman Zack Williams
 

The following players have been placed on the six-game injury list:

International offensive lineman Leon Johnson
International receiver Kamar Jorden


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 09, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
It was a tough cut down day for all teams. Some veterans were released across the league. Plenty of QB's that have been around for a few years found themselves released.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Doublezero on June 09, 2019, 02:10:00 PM
Kamar Jorden on the 6-game IR for Stamps. Still recuperating from his knee injury last season. I see Stamps signed him to a new 2-year deal, so they're willing to wait until Labour Day to see him return. He burned Winnipeg for nearly 250 yards receiving one game last year before he got hurt. Legit receiver.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: The Zipp on June 09, 2019, 06:30:48 PM
Simonise has signed with the bc lions


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: NewBlue on June 09, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Simonise has signed with the bc lions

That didn't take long....hopefully it was the right move to cut him. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pdirks67 on June 10, 2019, 12:04:13 AM
From Dave Campbell (CHED in Edmonton) on Twitter:

@Dave_CHED 2h2 hours ago
Update on a couple of Canadian receivers. Hearing Shamawd Chambers is trying to stay out East for personal reasons. Sounds like Anthony Coombs may end up with the Bombers. #Eskimos standing pat at the moment but one name floated to me was Devon Bailey. We will see. #CFL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 10, 2019, 12:14:24 AM
Simonise has signed with the bc lions

Washington back at it on twitter, I believe he overstepped the line with a couple of twitter posts last year as well..

More Corey Washington Jr. Retweeted Rashaun Simonise 🇨🇦 🇭🇹
Take advantage of this opportunity and beat Winnipeg *** this week 💪🏾🙏🏾Corey Washington Jr. added,

Rashaun Simonise 🇨🇦 🇭🇹
Verified account
 
@HunchoRay
God is always looking out! Proud to announce my dream come true, I?ll be a BC Lion for the 2019 football season. No better way to play than in front of my own home crowd! @BCLions let?s get this cup!! 🧡🦁
4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
Reply 4   Retweet 1   Like 3


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: The Zipp on June 10, 2019, 01:25:51 AM
Washington back at it on twitter, I believe he overstepped the line with a couple of twitter posts last year as well..

More Corey Washington Jr. Retweeted Rashaun Simonise 🇨🇦 🇭🇹
Take advantage of this opportunity and beat Winnipeg *** this week 💪🏾🙏🏾Corey Washington Jr. added,

Rashaun Simonise 🇨🇦 🇭🇹
Verified account
 
@HunchoRay
God is always looking out! Proud to announce my dream come true, I?ll be a BC Lion for the 2019 football season. No better way to play than in front of my own home crowd! @BCLions let?s get this cup!! 🧡🦁
4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
Reply 4   Retweet 1   Like 3


Not like Washington is part of any team...I can see him being a bit salty towards the Bombers...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Nic16 on June 10, 2019, 02:54:24 AM
Simonise will be lucky if he is dressed this week never mind actually seeing the field to kick anyone?s butt. Sure his dream? has come true...but dreams end real quick too.

Washington needs to focus on getting healthy so he can hit the pavement to look for another career.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on June 10, 2019, 02:59:14 AM
Who gives one rip about what Washington has to say!?! I get he s frustrated getting cut and not picked up but why trash talk from the unemployment line?? Class all the way!!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Nic16 on June 10, 2019, 03:32:54 AM
Who gives one rip about what Washington has to say!?! I get he s frustrated getting cut and not picked up but why trash talk from the unemployment line?? Class all the way!!

He was a flop with the Bombers...and only time will tell whether he is with the Lions.

He was number 4 on the NAT receiver depth chart, and would have been 5 - if Coombs was/is signed.

Not a big loss if the kids heart wasn?t here.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 10, 2019, 04:03:57 AM
He was a flop with the Bombers...and only time will tell whether he is with the Lions.

He was number 4 on the NAT receiver depth chart, and would have been 5 - if Coombs was/is signed.

Not a big loss if the kids heart wasn?t here.


I wouldn't judge his heart. He did and does a good amount of community stuff compared to other players, from what I've seen and heard


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 10, 2019, 04:31:11 AM
I'm not sure how he could be considered a flop either... it appears that he did the most he could have relative to the opportunity...

in 2018 he got to play in 3 games, he went 4/5 for 122 yards, averaged a touch over 30 yds per catch, had 2 of his 4 completions were 30+ yard receptions...

in this year's preseason he was 1/1 for 10 yards in game 1... in game 2 he did go 0/2, one pass was knocked down... however he did have 1 catch for 10 yards again but there was a penalty on the play and the Bombers elected to take the 10 yard penalty instead... Plus, there were late game throws coming from QB3 (1 throw) and QB4 (2 throws)...


on the other hand, I'm not sure anyone would think that we should sign Coombs, I'd rather have Simonise back...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 10, 2019, 05:25:23 AM
Coombs would be a cute signing and a good one several years ago. Now it's just unnecessary. I'd rather keep Simonise too. Different player and younger.

Simonise was a gifted athlete, just needed to piece it all together. He also blocked a punt for us last year


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 10, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
Coombs would be a cute signing and a good one several years ago. Now it's just unnecessary. I'd rather keep Simonise too. Different player and younger.

Simonise was a gifted athlete, just needed to piece it all together. He also blocked a punt for us last year

I like Simonise too and I'm one of those defending he wont be cut. But as Knuckles was hinting last game, he's (Simonise) problem is between the ears, whatever that means.  ;D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 10, 2019, 12:26:07 PM
I hope we don't sign Coombs. Guy's been injured his whole career. His only value is as Demski's backup and I'd rather have a younger, cheaper guy with upside in that role.

Simonise sounds happy to be 'home'. I didn't think it would take very long for him to find a team because he is the younger, cheaper NI backup that teams like. If he gets his head in the game, he could still be dangerous.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: sweep the leg on June 10, 2019, 12:39:59 PM
I hope we don't sign Coombs. Guy's been injured his whole career. His only value is as Demski's backup and I'd rather have a younger, cheaper guy with upside in that role.


I was surprised to see that Coombs is only 26.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 10, 2019, 01:10:29 PM
I'm sure there was something with Simonise we don't know. I wish him good luck in B.C. 
I am happy with Petermann, and Coombs if sms friendly would be good insurance. He would coming in as a 3rd or 4th Cdn receiver option. His experience could prove more worth than Simonises raw talent.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Doublezero on June 10, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
I'm not sure how he could be considered a flop either... it appears that he did the most he could have relative to the opportunity...

in 2018 he got to play in 3 games, he went 4/5 for 122 yards, averaged a touch over 30 yds per catch, had 2 of his 4 completions were 30+ yard receptions...

in this year's preseason he was 1/1 for 10 yards in game 1... in game 2 he did go 0/2, one pass was knocked down... however he did have 1 catch for 10 yards again but there was a penalty on the play and the Bombers elected to take the 10 yard penalty instead... Plus, there were late game throws coming from QB3 (1 throw) and QB4 (2 throws)...


on the other hand, I'm not sure anyone would think that we should sign Coombs, I'd rather have Simonise back...
Those 2 drops vs Sask were tough contested catches in tight space from imperfect throws. I don't think that was as much of a factor in his release as the decision to keep both Oliveira and Augustine around to spell Harris. Someone had to go. It's a good problem to have. Simonise might have a great career in BC and some of us might wish he was here. Coombs I can do without, though statistically he's slightly less mediocre than than Demski.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 10, 2019, 01:22:57 PM
I was surprised to see that Coombs is only 26.
Well that surprises me too.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 10, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
maybe his head was in the game because he didn't like the role he was asked to play, 4th on national receiver talent... it may have been a mutual agreement that he be released instead of going to the PR or a limited role on the AR much like last year... team says 'here's what we have for you', and the player can either accept it or not...

it hard to tell what actually went down...  in the first preseason game his only target and reception came in the last series of the 4th quarter, 3 plays before the game was over in a 20-3 win... basically the same thing in the second game, no action until very late in the 3rd quarter and the 4th...

didn't seem like the team was looking to him to be a starter given the amount of playing time and targets he was seeing... not saying that was wrong, just pointing out what I saw...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Nic16 on June 10, 2019, 02:06:34 PM
I was just excited as everyone else for Simonise?s potential, but from reading his latest tweet his heart was still back home - despite all the community service he provided.

And unfortunately in games (and practices that I seen) he rarely if ever flashed the potential he had pre-drug suspension. So, I can certainly see why the BB?s decided to move on from him. Now, whether that turns out to be the correct decision or not for the Bombers down the road...it will be up to Simonise to prove.

As for Coombs, he is only 2 yrs older than Simonise, and to this point in their (Pro and amateur) football careers Coombs has proven far more on the field. His versatility fits LaPo?s O to a T, and he would add some valuable CFL experience (Grey Cup winner - with 9 receptions in the semi-final v the Riders).


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 10, 2019, 02:55:25 PM
Simonise had the highest upside of the Nat rec's we've drafted, but failed to show enough advancement.  Whether it was caused by the logjam at Nat rec here, or being away from home, who knows.  Unfortunately, the combo of being cut and being picked up by his "home" team might just light the fire under his butt to make good on the potential we spent a good draft pick on...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 10, 2019, 03:22:01 PM
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Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 10, 2019, 03:29:03 PM
I've heard that the Lions might only roster 2 QB's on their AR. What is the advantage of do so? They can't add another player since " 3 QB's " is a separate category on it's own. Sure now 1 could be a Canadian but he still would have to be listed as a QB and only play as a QB.

It would reduce the game day payroll. Is that what they intend with this idea?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 10, 2019, 03:33:41 PM
I've heard that the Lions might only roster 2 QB's on their AR. What is the advantage of do so? They can't add another player since " 3 QB's " is a separate category on it's own. Sure now 1 could be a Canadian but he still would have to be listed as a QB and only play as a QB.

It would reduce the game day payroll. Is that what they intend with this idea?

From what I understand all teams will have to follow this rule next season, I guess that may have played into the Bombers decision not to retain 4 QB's.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 10, 2019, 03:56:32 PM
From what I understand all teams will have to follow this rule next season, I guess that may have played into the Bombers decision not to retain 4 QB's.

Interesting. Next year we have to add a 2nd Global player to the AR. I'm not sure if 1 or both will remain as SMS exempt. Regardless, salary is still an operating expense against profitability. Eliminating a QB from the AR does a few things.

1. The AR would remain at 45 players.
2. Eliminating a salary that WAS counted against the SMS ( QB ) creates some money to offset the increase to the ELC in 2020.

Not really in favor of any of this. If we're going to need to roster 2 Global player in 2020 then they need to bring more to TC than 4 only. Since those players were all drafted I would think they are non counters in any case.

Long term developing QB's with only 2 on the AR may or may not be an issue. One season after changing the ratio rule to include Canadian QB's? Now they have to make the roster as a no worse than a # 2 QB?

That's not going to help their cause.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 15, 2019, 09:21:11 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed quarterback Bryan Bennett, per sources.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/15/riders-sign-qb-bryan-bennett/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/06/15/riders-sign-qb-bryan-bennett/)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bluebeard on June 15, 2019, 09:34:02 PM
Does this mean that Collaros is finished for the season??


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: NewBlue on June 15, 2019, 10:48:11 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed quarterback Bryan Bennett, per sources.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/15/riders-sign-qb-bryan-bennett/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/06/15/riders-sign-qb-bryan-bennett/)

Good for him.  But hopefully he doesn't have too much success!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 15, 2019, 11:31:09 PM
I hope he starts and lights it up.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 15, 2019, 11:41:10 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed quarterback Bryan Bennett, per sources.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/15/riders-sign-qb-bryan-bennett/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/06/15/riders-sign-qb-bryan-bennett/)
Does this mean that Collaros is finished for the season??

It might mean that he is not able to play the next game, Ditto for Fajardo as possibly missing a game or two.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Norm W on June 15, 2019, 11:45:38 PM
Not surprised, when the Bombers released him I said it was only a matter of time before he ended up in either Montreal or Saskatchewan.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 16, 2019, 05:07:28 AM
I said the Riders as Collaris is always one hit away from ending his career.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blueraid on June 16, 2019, 07:12:12 PM
So Bennett was with us....went to Sask.....Cut by Sask. and back to us and now back to Sask......LOL....only in the CFL...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on June 16, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
Zach Collaros has been put on the six-game injured list and, according to Craig Dickenson, he isn't going to be with us for a while.

Head coach won't specify as to whether Collaros is concussed.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 16, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
Zach Collaros has been put on the six-game injured list and, according to Craig Dickenson, ?he isn?t going to be with us for a while.?

Head coach won?t specify as to whether Collaros is concussed.
With his concussion history if it is a concussion this could be career ending. Sad to see it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on June 16, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Zach Collaros has been put on the six-game injured list and, according to Craig Dickenson, ?he isn?t going to be with us for a while.?

Head coach won?t specify as to whether Collaros is concussed.

I feel sorry for Zach - and maybe even the Riders (but not too much). I think Zach needs to figure out where his life after football all about. Maybe time to hang it up Zach! Life is too short as it is.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 16, 2019, 07:27:14 PM
One would think it has to be career ending. Football is not "everything"Warrior mentally is great and all but....


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 16, 2019, 07:27:48 PM
Sad to see his career be put in jeopardy with a dumb hit from a dirty player.  Any word on Lawrence's hearing yesterday?  Were they waiting to see if Collaros would be 6 gamed?

Have to wonder what the QB DC is going to be in SSK for next week... have to assume Fajardo is #1, but does Bennett beat out Harker for 2?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 16, 2019, 07:35:48 PM
Sad to see his career be put in jeopardy with a dumb hit from a dirty player.  Any word on Lawrence's hearing yesterday?  Were they waiting to see if Collaros would be 6 gamed?

Have to wonder what the QB DC is going to be in SSK for next week... have to assume Fajardo is #1, but does Bennett beat out Harker for 2?
I thought that I heard that the hearing was on Monday.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on June 16, 2019, 07:39:24 PM
I hope he gets at LEAST a game for the hit. The guys just a douche. He?s the Matt cook of the cfl


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 16, 2019, 08:10:24 PM
I thought that I heard that the hearing was on Monday.


CFL on TSN @CFLonTSN

Ticats' Lawrence to have hearing on Saturday. MORE: https://www.tsn.ca/1.1323196


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 16, 2019, 08:24:18 PM
That's horrible news for any player to hear. This may be the end of his career.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 16, 2019, 08:55:25 PM
Bennett might finally get his chance to start in the CFL.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Jets on June 16, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
So Bennett was with us....went to Sask.....Cut by Sask. and back to us and now back to Sask......LOL....only in the CFL...

He?s getting his money?s worth for the rivalry.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 16, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Bennett might finally get his chance to start in the CFL.

I'd put money on him starting a game before the end of the season...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 16, 2019, 10:56:09 PM

CFL on TSN @CFLonTSN

Ticats' Lawrence to have hearing on Saturday. MORE: https://www.tsn.ca/1.1323196

It sounds like the hearing was yesterday but the ruling won't come until Monday. It makes me wonder if they were waiting to see if Collaras would be put on the 6 game.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on June 16, 2019, 11:18:16 PM
That hit was blatantly deliberate attempt to injure on a defenceless player.
It was beyond dirty.
It was scumbag.

Lawrence should get the old indefinite suspension, as a multi time repeat offender, and be. Out for as long s Colaros,is concussed..


Lawrence had ample time to change his angle and. Go over top


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on June 19, 2019, 02:58:43 PM
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats have signed REC Anthony Coombs to their practice roster.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/19/ticats-sign-canadian-rb-rec-anthony-coombs/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 19, 2019, 05:17:58 PM
Nice, now we don't have to listen to the BS that he is coming to Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 19, 2019, 05:51:48 PM
Somewhat surprised that neither Poop nor Brandin Bryant have found a place on other teams, I thought they were both excellent DT's but perhaps there is no shortage of that type of player.  Dime a dozen???


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 19, 2019, 06:05:40 PM
POOP'S on the Argo's


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 19, 2019, 06:34:22 PM
POOP'S on the Argo's

So he is, couldn't find that info. on CFL.ca.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on June 19, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
Calgary has signed Jabar Westerman.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/19/stamps-sign-national-dl-jabar-westerman/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 19, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Calgary has signed Jabar Westerman.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/06/19/stamps-sign-national-dl-jabar-westerman/

It's refreshing to see Calgary reduced to shopping the trash heaps and not pulling quality linemen out of their butts.  :D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Norm W on June 19, 2019, 09:30:36 PM
There was a day when we liked Westerman, minus the bad penalties  ::)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Tehedra on June 19, 2019, 09:38:46 PM
There was a day when we liked Westerman, minus the bad penalties  ::)

Isn't Jabar Westerman the brother?  There was two right?  Or am I thinking of the Muamba's?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 19, 2019, 09:41:39 PM
Isn't Jabar Westerman the brother?  There was two right?  Or am I thinking of the Muamba's?

Jabar is the brother.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 19, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
Westerman's, Muamba's, same thing. One brother is very good, the other not so much.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on June 19, 2019, 10:32:15 PM
There was a day when we liked Westerman, minus the bad penalties  ::)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 20, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
Westerman's, Muamba's, same thing. One brother is very good, the other not so much.

And the third...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Norm W on June 20, 2019, 03:54:17 PM
Isn't Jabar Westerman the brother? 

My bad, I stand corrected... We never gave a **** *** about the brother.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 20, 2019, 06:10:51 PM
My bad, I stand corrected... We never gave a **** *** about the brother.

Actually we did care about Jabar during the Joe Mack era. We traded down to number 3 in the draft to try and get him but Wally scooped him at 2. We then chose Pencer with that number 3 pick. Next to Faith Ekakitie it was our worst draft brain fart of the last decade.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 20, 2019, 06:19:12 PM
Actually we did care about Jabar during the Joe Mack era. We traded down to number 3 in the draft to try and get him but Wally scooped him at 2. We then chose Pencer with that number 3 pick. Next to Faith Ekakitie it was our worst draft brain fart of the last decade.
Plus we had a ton of interest in him before he signed with MTL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on June 21, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
Montreal has signed QB Brandon Bridge.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/21/alouettes-sign-canadian-qb-brandon-bridge/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 21, 2019, 09:09:21 PM
I just noticed on the TSN ticker that Pipkin is out 4-6 weeks with a leg injury and Vernon Adams will start in his place.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 21, 2019, 10:20:36 PM
I just noticed on the TSN ticker that Pipkin is out 4-6 weeks with a leg injury and Vernon Adams will start in his place.

Unfortunate for Pipkin. Just got a chance to be the starter in Montreal and he got injured. Now it's Adams that gets the chance to start and hold onto that role. Whether he's able or not we'll see.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 23, 2019, 01:34:42 PM
CFL.CA shows Loffler and Lokombo added to IR yesterday. Checking their roster doesn't show that yet so whether that is 1 game or 6 game IR in not clear.

Argos had multiple injuries and may have players unable to play next game as well: Awe, Kanneh, Washington, Gabriel among the walking wounded.

YIKES.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 23, 2019, 03:59:44 PM
Loffler out and not on the 6 game is costing Reed SMS... at least they got one good game out of him... although it wasn't a win.

Walters made some difficult decisions in the off season, and its looking like there aren't any to regret...  JSK, Chungh, Loffler, Randle, Fogg, Wild, LaFrance... other than Lankford who has been OK on teams but has yet to record an offensive stat... looks like Walters is batting a pretty high percentage on his decisions...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 23, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
Loffler out and not on the 6 game is costing Reed SMS... at least they got one good game out of him... although it wasn't a win.

Walters made some difficult decisions in the off season, and its looking like there aren't any to regret...  JSK, Chungh, Loffler, Randle, Fogg, Wild, LaFrance... other than Lankford who has been OK on teams but has yet to record an offensive stat... looks like Walters is batting a pretty high percentage on his decisions...
Well JSK and Loffler are out with injuries. LaFrance was and is always going to be a backup. Chungh was an overpayment by BC but we still wanted to bring.him back. Just not for the $$.

I'm not sure what youre crediting Walter's with...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on June 23, 2019, 05:12:00 PM
Loffler out and not on the 6 game is costing Reed SMS... at least they got one good game out of him... although it wasn't a win.

Walters made some difficult decisions in the off season, and its looking like there aren't any to regret...  JSK, Chungh, Loffler, Randle, Fogg, Wild, LaFrance... other than Lankford who has been OK on teams but has yet to record an offensive stat... looks like Walters is batting a pretty high percentage on his decisions...

One game into the season does not make Walters a genius. Let's see where things stand at the 1/2 point. Too early to plan the parade!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 23, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
Well JSK and Loffler are out with injuries. LaFrance was and is always going to be a backup. Chungh was an overpayment by BC but we still wanted to bring.him back. Just not for the $$.

I'm not sure what youre crediting Walter's with...

Chungh isn't proving out to be worth the $$$ so far, and we are doing OK without him, Gray is just fine in his spot.  Bullet dodged.

JSK, Loffler - they got paid more than we were willing to, JSK coming off injury, Loffler waiting for one.  Neither are active today.  Bullets dodged.

Some would say those are no brainer GM moves to let them go... or that we would have signed them if we could (at OUR price, not what they got) but obviously Hervey, Sunderland and Reed chose to pay them, and now have to work around those decisions...



One game into the season does not make Walters a genius. Let's see where things stand at the 1/2 point. Too early to plan the parade!

Yup... one game does not a season make... but it is a quick confirmation of decisions made.  It might change down the road, but I'm not thinking it is too likely to change dramatically from the current situation...

And its more than one game, it has been a few years in the making...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 23, 2019, 05:45:10 PM
Chungh isn't proving out to be worth the $$$ so far, and we are doing OK without him, Gray is just fine in his spot.  Bullet dodged.

JSK, Loffler - they got paid more than we were willing to, JSK coming off injury, Loffler waiting for one.  Neither are active today.  Bullets dodged.

Some would say those are no brainer GM moves to let them go... or that we would have signed them if we could (at OUR price, not what they got) but obviously Hervey, Sunderland and Reed chose to pay them, and now have to work around those decisions...



Yup... one game does not a season make... but it is a quick confirmation of decisions made.  It might change down the road, but I'm not thinking it is too likely to change dramatically from the current situation...

And its more than one game, it has been a few years in the making...


Yea we really dodged a bullet by losing Chungh...geez man..it's hard to give your posts credibility when you say something like that. Chungh is a massive loss. It's great we have Gray and so far he has played well but Chungh is still a huge loss.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 23, 2019, 05:50:48 PM
Yea we really dodged a bullet by losing Chungh...geez man..it's hard to give your posts credibility when you say something like that. Chungh is a massive loss. It's great we have Gray and so far he has played well but Chungh is still a huge loss.

Signing Chungh would have been nice, but not at the price.  Having Gray inhouse already meant we could let Chungh go, and Gray has replaced Chungh nicely, at a lower SMS hit, opening up the ability to sign Matthews (had we sprung for Chungh, there would be no money for Matthews)

Chungh was a loss, but not a huge loss.  Gray is doing just fine, don't you think?  And had we signed Chungh, what happens to Gray?  Or Speller/Neufeld...  it was a calculated decision, a tough one for sure, but seems to have been an optimal one so far...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 23, 2019, 05:56:15 PM
Signing Chungh would have been nice, but not at the price.  Having Gray inhouse already meant we could let Chungh go, and Gray has replaced Chungh nicely, at a lower SMS hit, opening up the ability to sign Matthews (had we sprung for Chungh, there would be no money for Matthews)

Chungh was a loss, but not a huge loss.  Gray is doing just fine, don't you think?  And had we signed Chungh, what happens to Gray?  Or Speller/Neufeld...  it was a calculated decision, a tough one for sure, but seems to have been an optimal one so far...
It's one game, let's not get carried away. I bet that if he could Walters would love to have Chungh back here. That's why he made him a pretty good offer. Chungh just wanted to play closer to home.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 23, 2019, 08:44:36 PM
Chungh isn't proving out to be worth the $$$ so far, and we are doing OK without him, Gray is just fine in his spot.  Bullet dodged.

JSK, Loffler - they got paid more than we were willing to, JSK coming off injury, Loffler waiting for one.  Neither are active today.  Bullets dodged.
Chungh wont ever be worth 250k. Guards in this league never are. So sure, good on KW for not paying 250000 for a guard (even if he did offer, good chance Chungh still goes home).

JSK got hurt playing for us. I think everyone knew his injury situation when he signed. Good for Walter's for not spending money on a position he never spends much on? And for not re-signing a good player who has been hurt for a whole 2 games?

As for Loffler, wasn't worth the money. But most teams agreed with that.

I'd chill with the "KW looks good cuz x player is injured". Injuries aren't in anyone's control. And guys like JSK got hurt playing for us. Its one thing to prematurely say we are doing fine with certain players. It's another to make it sound like the players are now problems.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 23, 2019, 09:13:37 PM
Chungh wont ever be worth 250k. Guards in this league never are. So sure, good on KW for not paying 250000 for a guard (even if he did offer, good chance Chungh still goes home).

JSK got hurt playing for us. I think everyone knew his injury situation when he signed. Good for Walter's for not spending money on a position he never spends much on? And for not re-signing a good player who has been hurt for a whole 2 games?

As for Loffler, wasn't worth the money. But most teams agreed with that.

I'd chill with the "KW looks good cuz x player is injured". Injuries aren't in anyone's control. And guys like JSK got hurt playing for us. Its one thing to prematurely say we are doing fine with certain players. It's another to make it sound like the players are now problems.
100% on Chungh. 

JSK got hurt playing for us... yes... and someone else is paying him to rehab, without knowing how effective he is going to be after that is complete.  Would you rather we be paying him?  KW did not...

Loffler was rested all the time to reduce the chance of injury... and Reed paid him big bucks, and now he is injured.  KW knew the risk, and is not paying Loffler to not play, Reed is.

It is all about making a bet, deciding how much to pay, and weighing that against what chances there are of being injured (or rehabbing).  KW seems to err on the side of caution, and it seems to be working out so far...



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on June 24, 2019, 03:11:29 AM
Chungh wont ever be worth 250k. Guards in this league never are. So sure, good on KW for not paying 250000 for a guard (even if he did offer, good chance Chungh still goes home).

JSK got hurt playing for us. I think everyone knew his injury situation when he signed. Good for Walter's for not spending money on a position he never spends much on? And for not re-signing a good player who has been hurt for a whole 2 games?

As for Loffler, wasn't worth the money. But most teams agreed with that.

I'd chill with the "KW looks good cuz x player is injured". Injuries aren't in anyone's control. And guys like JSK got hurt playing for us. Its one thing to prematurely say we are doing fine with certain players. It's another to make it sound like the players are now problems.
Agree 100% on the injury comment. Walters has no idea who was going to get hurt and just because players are hurt now doesn?t mean they don?t come back and produce at a very high level for their team.

Also, remember Matthews is hurt right?? Does that make Walters an idiot for signing him?? Of course not....

Also, remember Walters signed Adarius bowman and darian durant to ridiculous contracts that didn?t work out for us and it wasn?t due to injury, one sucked terribly and the other fleeced us for $70 grand and never even went to training camp, that doesn?t say much for the GM that signed them!!!! So chill on your backslapping and pompom waving!!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 24, 2019, 03:50:14 AM
I agree DD. How many people were crying when JSK signed with EE. Walters made a mistake, he should paid him the money. Now Walters is a god because he didn't sign JSK.

Also there was very few people thinking Gray could replace Chungh. I am a big supporter of GG, and to this point, one game into the year he has played well. However I don't put him in the same category as Chungh just yet. With an OL, it has a lot to do with who is standing next to you. If there doing there job it's makes makes your much easier. 

Is Chungh worth $250? No.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 24, 2019, 06:11:44 AM
Yea we really dodged a bullet by losing Chungh...geez man..it's hard to give your posts credibility when you say something like that. Chungh is a massive loss. It's great we have Gray and so far he has played well but Chungh is still a huge loss.

Aards' sentiment is right.  I look at it more like this: did the player leave WPG and instantly light it up in the new city?  That would be a "bad loss".  So far none of our departed-FAs have lit it up anywhere.  Sure, that could change, but so far letting our FAs go seems like a good call, and certainly not something we should panic over anymore.

The opposite would be the AH33 BC scenario... BC let him go in FA, and Harris instantly starts lighting it up all year in WPG.  Now that would be a "bad FA loss", and that should cause much gnashing of teeth for BC.

As for Gray/Chungh, keep in mind almost everyone here thought Gray would be benched until labor day in order to be eased into the position.  But injuries dictated Gray was thrown into the fire.  And he's certainly proved able to cope.  Is Gray > Chungh?  Probably not.  But is he in the ballpark?  Certainly.  Is he half the price, you bet!  Winning all-round.

And the flipside of the FA losses, is what did we gain in FA?  If we lost zero "light it up" players, and we gained even one, we are sitting pretty.  I think we'll have a couple/few FAs prove to be "light it up" players in short order.  As an aside, JSK has the best chance of becoming a great success post-WPG, and I could see his loss stinging a bit down the road.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on June 24, 2019, 07:58:51 AM
It's too early to judge what team we have now.  I still think we are a bit too weak on the receivers side though. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
I think JSK benefitted by. Having Bighill on  the field...and now he starts the season hurt. 
Matthews? What's with him?  Two good practices, and then in the tub?
Fenner in the cormer?  Huh!?m he got beat by ten yards on that one play?

Two concerns that are no big deal, but are concerns.
Should be a beautiful. Day for a game on Thursday.  Two teams that played good football
Go Blue!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 24, 2019, 11:56:47 AM
Aards' sentiment is right.

No, it isn't.

This organization drafted and developed Chungh. The ROI after four seasons is pretty much zero since he opted to sign with another team. Experienced NAT talent and depth on the O-line is invaluable in this league. Losing Chungh for exactly nothing is a significant loss no matter how you slice it. Having Gray in the fold is extremely fortunate but that doesn't change the fact.

It's been one game against a basically trash BC Lions team, anyway. Let's see how the real competition measures up to this team's reworked O-line before concluding anything. It's way, way too early to make any predictions or speculation.

Your comparison to Harris is also not reasonable. O-linemen rarely "light it up" compared to a tailback; it's apples and oranges.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 24, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Aards' sentiment is right.  I look at it more like this: did the player leave WPG and instantly light it up in the new city?  That would be a "bad loss".  So far none of our departed-FAs have lit it up anywhere.  Sure, that could change, but so far letting our FAs go seems like a good call, and certainly not something we should panic over anymore.

The opposite would be the AH33 BC scenario... BC let him go in FA, and Harris instantly starts lighting it up all year in WPG.  Now that would be a "bad FA loss", and that should cause much gnashing of teeth for BC.

As for Gray/Chungh, keep in mind almost everyone here thought Gray would be benched until labor day in order to be eased into the position.  But injuries dictated Gray was thrown into the fire.  And he's certainly proved able to cope.  Is Gray > Chungh?  Probably not.  But is he in the ballpark?  Certainly.  Is he half the price, you bet!  Winning all-round.

And the flipside of the FA losses, is what did we gain in FA?  If we lost zero "light it up" players, and we gained even one, we are sitting pretty.  I think we'll have a couple/few FAs prove to be "light it up" players in short order.  As an aside, JSK has the best chance of becoming a great success post-WPG, and I could see his loss stinging a bit down the road.


You see, the issue here though is if we approached Matthew's like Aards did our guys who signed elsewhere, Matthew's isn't a light it up guy. He hasn't played the one game theres been this season.

Also, keep in mind of the players we lost, all but 3 were backups. Aards mentioned Wild and LaFrance.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 24, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
No, it isn't.

This organization drafted and developed Chungh. The ROI after four seasons is pretty much zero since he opted to sign with another team. Experienced NAT talent and depth on the O-line is invaluable in this league. Losing Chungh for exactly nothing is a significant loss no matter how you slice it. Having Gray in the fold is extremely fortunate but that doesn't change the fact.

It's been one game against a basically trash BC Lions team, anyway. Let's see how the real competition measures up to this team's reworked O-line before concluding anything. It's way, way too early to make any predictions or speculation.

Your comparison to Harris is also not reasonable. O-linemen rarely "light it up" compared to a tailback; it's apples and oranges.

Chungh came out of CIS and played 4 years without being eased into anything.  We got full value from that pick, including Walters getting him to sign one extension.  That pick gets 100%.  I love the fact that Chungh got mega buck from BC to play at home, and wish him well there.  He will find soon enough that home is one thing, but a solid team is quite another... 

Having spent a pick and invested time in Gray, a guy with NFL pedigree that Chungh did not, and being able to get him onto the team mid season to get a feel for things means he was better able to slot right in now.  He will do fine, or better.  If he has lapses it will be from returning to the CFL game, making it second nature through reptiition after spending time in the 4 down league.   It certainly won't be because of his size or talent.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 24, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
No, it isn't.

This organization drafted and developed Chungh. The ROI after four seasons is pretty much zero since he opted to sign with another team. Experienced NAT talent and depth on the O-line is invaluable in this league. Losing Chungh for exactly nothing is a significant loss no matter how you slice it. Having Gray in the fold is extremely fortunate but that doesn't change the fact.

It's been one game against a basically trash BC Lions team, anyway. Let's see how the real competition measures up to this team's reworked O-line before concluding anything. It's way, way too early to make any predictions or speculation.

Your comparison to Harris is also not reasonable. O-linemen rarely "light it up" compared to a tailback; it's apples and oranges.

Ditto JSK, I find it disappointing they let him walk away and had to go back to starting all over again with Wilson over something like $20k extra when he publicly stated he wanted to stay in Wpg. alongside Biggie.  JSK was the perfect example of a player developing from scratch and within 2 years becoming a major contributor which is ideal for player development and continuity, I only wish they could have gotten at least 4 more years of excellent service from him.  His current injury status is is a freak thing that could happen to any player, it's a blip that means nothing.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 24, 2019, 03:12:12 PM
Chungh came out of CIS and played 4 years without being eased into anything.  We got full value from that pick, including Walters getting him to sign one extension.  That pick gets 100%.  I love the fact that Chungh got mega buck from BC to play at home, and wish him well there.  He will find soon enough that home is one thing, but a solid team is quite another... 

Having spent a pick and invested time in Gray, a guy with NFL pedigree that Chungh did not, and being able to get him onto the team mid season to get a feel for things means he was better able to slot right in now.  He will do fine, or better.  If he has lapses it will be from returning to the CFL game, making it second nature through reptiition after spending time in the 4 down league.   It certainly won't be because of his size or talent.

It's certainly fortuitous for the team Gray didn't stick down south and decided to play in the CFL and his potential is undoubtedly high. However, that has nothing at all to do with losing Chungh via free agency. I mean, good on him for getting paid handsomely to return home and play there. That's irrelevant, though. His "value" to this team has ended, so I don't know what you're trying to say. A loss is a loss and he qualifies as such no matter how you feel compelled to spin it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on June 24, 2019, 03:14:40 PM
I'm with Ardsy here. We got tremendous value out of the Chungh draft pick. Started immediately, and one all star season. We were probably paying him less than he was worth.

JSK would also have been making less than he was worth last year. Sure, it sucks to have to develop Wilson now, but you can't pay everyone market value. So? We're spending big bucks at MLB and counting on Biggie's tremendous talent and leadership to make it happen in the LB core.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on June 24, 2019, 03:18:33 PM
It's certainly fortuitous for the team Gray didn't stick down south and decided to play in the CFL and his potential is undoubtedly high. However, that has nothing at all to do with losing Chungh via free agency. I mean, good on him for getting paid handsomely to return home and play there. That's irrelevant, though. His "value" to this team has ended, so I don't know what you're trying to say. A loss is a loss and he qualifies as such no matter how you feel compelled to spin it.

Sort of. There's limited SMS dollars to spend. (This is hypothetical, so have some patience) If cutting Chungh means we have money for Chris Matthews, there's big value in the dollars saved.

This team had a couple turnkey, ready to roll OL and has struggled mightily to unearth impact receivers.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 24, 2019, 03:22:50 PM
Wilson was here last year and is proving he is game ready. To me one year on the PR is plenty of time to learn the Canadian game, the system, and position.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 24, 2019, 03:24:42 PM
Sort of. There's limited SMS dollars to spend. (This is hypothetical, so have some patience) If cutting Chungh means we have money for Chris Matthews, there's big value in the dollars saved.

This team had a couple turnkey, ready to roll OL and has struggled mightily to unearth impact receivers.

I couldn't agree more. The organization has done very well drafting NAT talent, particularly on the O-line. On the other hand, its inability to source high end receiver talent has been detrimental.

Obviously, the team couldn't have been able to retain Chungh at his current rate of pay and add an impact receiving talent like Matthews. The SMS means hard decisions have to be made and there are many moving parts in play. What I'm saying is this, though: losing a player you've drafted and developed for nothing is a loss. Fortunately, the right moves were made to hopefully mitigate that loss and continue that development mantra on the O-line, as well as address a need at a different position (WR in this case).


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the paw on June 24, 2019, 03:34:52 PM
It's certainly fortuitous for the team Gray didn't stick down south and decided to play in the CFL and his potential is undoubtedly high. However, that has nothing at all to do with losing Chungh via free agency. I mean, good on him for getting paid handsomely to return home and play there. That's irrelevant, though. His "value" to this team has ended, so I don't know what you're trying to say. A loss is a loss and he qualifies as such no matter how you feel compelled to spin it.

You are absolutely correct when you say that a loss is a loss, and losing Chung is ungood.  That loss may be mitigated if there is an adequate replacement. It is way too early to say that Gray has filled that hole successfully.

But I would disagree with your earlier post that implied the ROI for Chung was inadequate.  That is a comment to the efficacy of the draft pick, and implies an expectation that we should be able to retain all our top performers.  I don't find that realistic.  All you are ever guaranteed out of a draft pick is his first three years of service, and in this case we got four.  Not only that, but we got 4 years of a starter, he didn't take two years to get up to speed.  So our ROI has been excellent IMHO, and our failure to retain him just gets classified as unfortunate, but a reality of SMS football.  


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 24, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
The other thing is loosing Chungh, and the Goose in the same year probably had a lot to do with who picked first in the draft.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 24, 2019, 05:01:40 PM
I'm with Ardsy here. We got tremendous value out of the Chungh draft pick. Started immediately, and one all star season. We were probably paying him less than he was worth.

JSK would also have been making less than he was worth last year. Sure, it sucks to have to develop Wilson now, but you can't pay everyone market value. So? We're spending big bucks at MLB and counting on Biggie's tremendous talent and leadership to make it happen in the LB core.
Chungh doesn't bug me only because, again, linemen are seldom worth 250k especially interior linemen.

As for JSK, if it was really a difference of 20k I mean, come on. You pay that extra 20k. It's actually kinda funny, Wilson is 2 years older than JSK.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 24, 2019, 05:03:24 PM
The other thing is loosing Chungh, and the Goose in the same year probably had a lot to do with who picked first in the draft.
Huh? We always had picks 4 and 5.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 24, 2019, 05:59:25 PM
Yeah the pricetag for Chungh makes no sense in a cap world...if he was a lockdown Left Tackle..well then yeah pay it

Wilson tho, he is more athletic than JSK...AND WAYYY faster as we seen in running down Burnham, also the Bomber Brass most likely knew all about JSK recovery and that he wouldn't be ready for start of season, so since had in house replacement in Wilson whom they were high on before JSK, probably didnt see value of putting more money into a guy that wouldn't be ready, as he probably wouldnt have been 6 gamed, hence no money savings


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 24, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
It is a balancing act, and you have to guess who is going to give you the best cost/performance value. 

You draft/recruit and develop to be able to make decisions like Wilson/JSK and Chungh/Gray.  If we don't have Wilson, we pay JSK.  If we don't have Gray, we suck on oline, because Chungh was going home because BC was willing to pay whatever it took to get him there (Walters did good in getting Hervey to overpay ;) ) .


Thew fact that JSK is still struggling with injury after missing the end of last season is also a contributing factor.  You don't know how long and how well recovery is going to be, but if you suspected it wouldn't be 100% or completed by TC, that factors in too...

Were Walters choices no brainers?  Obviously not, because people disagree with them.  But so far, they seem solid...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bunker on June 24, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
I think Walters let Chungh go at the right time, similar to what Calgary does when their good players price themselves out of the market, and there are younger and cheaper alternatives that have been developed to replace them.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2019, 06:05:10 AM
Yeah the pricetag for Chungh makes no sense in a cap world...if he was a lockdown Left Tackle..well then yeah pay it

Wilson tho, he is more athletic than JSK...AND WAYYY faster as we seen in running down Burnham, also the Bomber Brass most likely knew all about JSK recovery and that he wouldn't be ready for start of season, so since had in house replacement in Wilson whom they were high on before JSK, probably didnt see value of putting more money into a guy that wouldn't be ready, as he probably wouldnt have been 6 gamed, hence no money savings

JSK also could have been attitude.  It's always been clear in JSK's interviews that he's playing CFL in order to get recognized to get into the NFL.  And he just might be good enough to get there.  Why overpay and continue to develop a guy who may leave for the NFL next year?

(Wilson running down Burnham was a) the bomb, and b) an eye opener: wow!)

I think Walters let Chungh go at the right time, similar to what Calgary does when their good players price themselves out of the market, and there are younger and cheaper alternatives that have been developed to replace them.

Exactly.  We complain at our losses, but nearly every other team (except maybe HAM) lost waaay more good players than we did.  If CGY (and Buono for 20 years) can win letting select top-earners go, why can't we?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 25, 2019, 06:20:24 AM
JSK also could have been attitude.  It's always been clear in JSK's interviews that he's playing CFL in order to get recognized to get into the NFL.  And he just might be good enough to get there.  Why overpay and continue to develop a guy who may leave for the NFL next year?

(Wilson running down Burnham was a) the bomb, and b) an eye opener: wow!)

And we have reached the point of reaches. JSK also could've been attitude. C'mon man. There was never anything reported about his attitude. Don't speculate.

And what? With the logic that you shouldn't develop or retain good young players cuz they might go to the NFL...what? It's about winning. No smart team would ever not retain a guy cuz he might leave in a year. Not if they wanna win.

At the end of the day Walter's didn't wanna spend what JSK was asking. Why can't you leave it at that?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 25, 2019, 06:26:17 AM
Exactly.  We complain at our losses, but nearly every other team (except maybe HAM) lost waaay more good players than we did.  If CGY (and Buono for 20 years) can win letting select top-earners go, why can't we?

No one reasonable says we can't. But whenever teams lose big time players there are question marks. And that's okay.

Why can't we win though? We are one game into the season. When or if we are eliminated then that can be answered


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2019, 06:29:01 AM
And we have reached the point of reaches. JSK also could've been attitude. C'mon man. There was never anything reported about his attitude. Don't speculate.

And what? With the logic that you shouldn't develop or retain good young players cuz they might go to the NFL...what? It's about winning. No smart team would ever not retain a guy cuz he might leave in a year. Not if they wanna win.

At the end of the day Walter's didn't wanna spend what JSK was asking. Why can't you leave it at that?

I'm clutching at straws offering alternative explanations than just "KW dumb", "KW cheap".  By attitude I only meant "NFL-focused", not that he was a bad influence or anything.  Seemed like a great kid.

I think much more highly of the Canadian Mafia than to think they purposely let JSK go over a measly $10-20k.  There must be method to their madness.  They know things we don't know.  Maybe Wilson is actually better and cheaper.  Who knows (yet)?  We already know he's faster...

And if being NFL-bound reduces a draftee's appeal, why can't it reduce a FA's appeal?  If you're pretty sure he's going there, why not mark his "keep" score down a couple of notches?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 25, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
Like any year, we had FA losses and FA gains. I don`t think anyone here is arguing that except Aards who wants to paint our FA losses as some master stroke of brilliance by our GM. It wasn't. There is nothing smart about not re-signing Chungh, JSK, or Loffler. Our team would be better with them on the field. However, KW can`t be blamed for a heated market on the 3 either. It was what it was and KW chose to go in another direction with his SMS. We will see if that turns out in October or god willing November. I just think it`s silly for anyone to look at our losses in personnel as some master stroke of genius by our GM after week 2 of the season. Could it turn out for us...sure it could...but it`s waaaay to early to pass judgement yet.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 25, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
I see a rumor that the Lions are going to sign Dozier after his release in Montreal. They can easily swap our their starting Canadian safety for an import. Seems they didn't have great success finding good DB's in TC.

They also released QB R. Lloyd


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 25, 2019, 01:15:49 PM
It's pretty obvious that the changes aren't over in BC yet. They haven't found the players they need at certain spots and will keep making changes until they think they have. You can't judge a rebuild in week 2.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 25, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
Wilson had more than one thing over JSK this offseason.  He was under contract, he was healthy, and he played well ending the season. 

All things being equal, do they keep JSK or Wilson?  Knowing that there is not enough roster space for both?

I'm thinking the prudent course was the one taken...  and as mentioned earlier in this thread, watching him chase down Burnham from behind opened a lot of peoples eyes, for sure. 

So, KW wasn't dumb or cheap in keeping Wilson... he was prudent.  And it is paying off.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
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Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 25, 2019, 02:46:06 PM
I'm clutching at straws offering alternative explanations than just "KW dumb", "KW cheap".  By attitude I only meant "NFL-focused", not that he was a bad influence or anything.  Seemed like a great kid.

I think much more highly of the Canadian Mafia than to think they purposely let JSK go over a measly $10-20k.  There must be method to their madness.  They know things we don't know.  Maybe Wilson is actually better and cheaper.  Who knows (yet)?  We already know he's faster...

And if being NFL-bound reduces a draftee's appeal, why can't it reduce a FA's appeal?  If you're pretty sure he's going there, why not mark his "keep" score down a couple of notches?

You're unnecessarily clutching at straws. NFL-focused isnt a bad thing as long as he performs well.

I don't know if the 20k thing is true. But there is a chance it is. Keep in mind the Bombers chased some players like Roosevelt and Walker, the later who would have been a very very expensive signing. They could have tho they would be closer to the cap.

Here's why draftees appeal gets lowered vs FAs (especially Americans): draft picks (and canadians in general) have a super high value. When you're drafting in the first round of the CFL draft, more often than not you want a player who will be on your team in 2 years. As for an American FA, sure maybe some teams will value players differently depending on what they want, but a player you signed as an FA who goes to the NFL after their deal is up is not at all the same as a draft pick who goes to the NFL before ever playing at all for the team that drafted them


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 25, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
Wilson had more than one thing over JSK this offseason.  He was under contract, he was healthy, and he played well ending the season. 

All things being equal, do they keep JSK or Wilson?  Knowing that there is not enough roster space for both?

I'm thinking the prudent course was the one taken...  and as mentioned earlier in this thread, watching him chase down Burnham from behind opened a lot of peoples eyes, for sure. 

So, KW wasn't dumb or cheap in keeping Wilson... he was prudent.  And it is paying off.
They re-signed Wilson before FA. And I'm sure we could have carried both, unless your king KW overpaid for Wilson.

"Its paying off". Aards, we are 2 weeks into the season. We don't know if any move is paying off. Why? Because we're two weeks into the season. If Wilson got killed last game and JSK played the first 2 games and was a stud, would Walter's already have made a huge mistake? No. Because we are 2 weeks into the season


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on June 25, 2019, 03:35:35 PM
Montreal should dress all their coaches.  At least they could play. lol!
Now.... yikes


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 25, 2019, 04:11:35 PM
Wilson had more than one thing over JSK this offseason.  He was under contract, he was healthy, and he played well ending the season. 

All things being equal, do they keep JSK or Wilson?  Knowing that there is not enough roster space for both?

I'm thinking the prudent course was the one taken...  and as mentioned earlier in this thread, watching him chase down Burnham from behind opened a lot of peoples eyes, for sure. 

So, KW wasn't dumb or cheap in keeping Wilson... he was prudent.  And it is paying off.

Of course there was room for both since we clearly planned to move away from Wild as a DI. 

SMS questions, injury recovery were different issues. Whether Wilson lives up to being as good or better than JSK we'll see. Several posters are confidant he'll do that.

I'm still waiting for a longer evaluation of his performance. The question of our depth behind him even more so with Temple. I'm trying to understand why he didn't replace Wilson when he got injured. In theory that's what we expect the DI LB to be ready to do.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 12:18:12 AM
Lions moved Boyko to 1 game IR. Wouldn't surprise me if they start a rookie import on their OL. Injury may have forced that to some degree but so was the turnstile on their OL overall.

Just what they needed with playing the Stamps this week. 0 - 3 is on the horizon I think.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 26, 2019, 05:15:04 AM
Wilson had more than one thing over JSK this offseason.  He was under contract, he was healthy, and he played well ending the season. 
[...]
So, KW wasn't dumb or cheap in keeping Wilson... he was prudent.  And it is paying off.

I rewatched most of the WPG@BC game and Wilson was actually outstanding!  They were clearly trying to pick on him for his side to run and short pass.  They steered away from Bighill every play.

But Wilson made every play, had hustle, had good ball sense and foresight.  In Q1 especially he was tested at least 3 times where he made huge stops or got the tackle done when the others didn't.  However, those were boring run plays stopped for around 0 yards so people don't really notice (I didn't on first viewing).  I credit Wilson's surprise effectiveness for BCs decision to abandon the run.

There's one play where it's just him and the RB near the LOS and RB makes a move and Wilson guesses wrong, half-falls down, RB runs past and Wilson pivots half-fallen and jumps up and makes the tackle from behind.  I was seriously impressed.

He seems much quicker, faster reflexes, faster legs, and maybe a bit smarter than JSK.  JSK seemed bigger, more powerful, more violence.  So different WILL style, but I think it can really work for us, especially if he improves under Biggie.

Just like Hecht, I like what I see so far!!  I bet you MOS is sitting there in the film room smiling too...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on June 26, 2019, 01:14:56 PM
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Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 26, 2019, 01:25:29 PM
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Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
I rewatched most of the WPG@BC game and Wilson was actually outstanding!  They were clearly trying to pick on him for his side to run and short pass.  They steered away from Bighill every play.

But Wilson made every play, had hustle, had good ball sense and foresight.  In Q1 especially he was tested at least 3 times where he made huge stops or got the tackle done when the others didn't.  However, those were boring run plays stopped for around 0 yards so people don't really notice (I didn't on first viewing).  I credit Wilson's surprise effectiveness for BCs decision to abandon the run.

There's one play where it's just him and the RB near the LOS and RB makes a move and Wilson guesses wrong, half-falls down, RB runs past and Wilson pivots half-fallen and jumps up and makes the tackle from behind.  I was seriously impressed.

He seems much quicker, faster reflexes, faster legs, and maybe a bit smarter than JSK.  JSK seemed bigger, more powerful, more violence.  So different WILL style, but I think it can really work for us, especially if he improves under Biggie.

Just like Hecht, I like what I see so far!!  I bet you MOS is sitting there in the film room smiling too...


I re-watched the game as well and didn't directly see what you saw. I wasn't specifically watching Wilson as you may have been. However I think you may be correct in your assessment.

Wilson only had 3 tackles and one was on the chase far down the sidelines after 2 of our DB's collided. I did see the take down for a short or no gain after slipping that you mentioned.

I did generally conclude that the Lions were purposely not running or throwing at Wilson or running at Bighill.

In effect that's the best defensive play when offenses don't go in your area.

It was 1 game but I think so far so good.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 26, 2019, 01:57:58 PM
I hope we offer our first rounder, we won't get him, but it forces EDM, TOR or BC to use their first...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 02:01:54 PM
I hope we offer our first rounder, we won't get him, but it forces EDM, TOR or BC to use their first...

Not a bad idea. I wonder how many teams are already in cap he** at the moment.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 26, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
I hope we offer our first rounder, we won't get him, but it forces EDM, TOR or BC to use their first...
I don't. That's a dumb risk to take


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 26, 2019, 02:06:22 PM
I don't think so...if we get him then it's just another bee in the hive for us...and good chance for the 2020 draft we will be picking around 8th or 9th anyway so any sure fire top 3-4 prospect will be gone anyway


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
I don't. That's a dumb risk to take

Not really. If we do as well as we expect in 2019 our 1st round 2020 pick may be the 8th or 9th pick for a player that might be a top 3 choice. Top Canadian OL are gold.

Acquiring him might give us a trade option for Neufeld.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 26, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
I don't. That's a dumb risk to take

What?  Risk?  You mean we might get stuck with a quality Olineman who is game ready after playing in the AAF and exhausting his NFL window?  24 years old and a C?  

Yeah, lets hope we don't get stuck with that... our first rounder next year is going to be 8 or 9 at best, this way we get a player a year early as well...

No way it gets left at our pick, EDM, TOR or BC... heck HAM might even bid...

But bidding makes one of them use thier first, and takes MTL out of the running... the Manzeil trade mucks them up again...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 26, 2019, 02:14:55 PM
I would like to know if this guy has potential to play OG or not. If he is purely a C then I say we only go as high as our 2nd rounder. I would think, with or without us, it is going to take a 1st rounder to get him. Multiple teams will bid their 1st round pick.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
I would like to know if this guy has potential to play OG or not. If he is purely a C then I say we only go as high as our 2nd rounder. I would think, with or without us, it is going to take a 1st rounder to get him. Multiple teams will bid their 1st round pick.


Obviously if he is capable of playing multiple positions that increases his value. OTOH I'm not entirely sold on Couture as the long term solution.

What the coaching assessments are on our 3 interior OL + Desjarlais and Eli comes into play as well.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 26, 2019, 02:22:54 PM
I would like to know if this guy has potential to play OG or not. If he is purely a C then I say we only go as high as our 2nd rounder. I would think, with or without us, it is going to take a 1st rounder to get him. Multiple teams will bid their 1st round pick.

I'm not sure I've ever heard of an OC that can't slide out to OG... OG's that can play OC are not as common... but 6'2 288 doesn't sound like he lacks the size to play OG...

I think the deciding factor about whether we win or lose if we land him is if he has a nasty streak and fits into the O'Shea style...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2019, 02:48:31 PM
Not really. If we do as well as we expect in 2019 our 1st round 2020 pick may be the 8th or 9th pick for a player that might be a top 3 choice. Top Canadian OL are gold.

Acquiring him might give us a trade option for Neufeld.

They're already at that point, adding another body just muddies the water.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 02:56:06 PM
Riders just gave up a 3rd round selection for Bennett.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bunker on June 26, 2019, 02:59:25 PM
Seems low.   ???


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2019, 03:00:48 PM
I'd pass on him as I don't see the need. We have Speller, Desjarlais and Gray as developmental (and playing) young offensive lineman. Neufeld will play when he's ready and it will be hard enough to roster everyone as it is. There will be plenty of shiny things next draft we can spend our first rounder on.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
Riders just gave up a 3rd round selection for Bennett.

Good break for them.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 03:04:46 PM
I'd pass on him as I don't see the need. We have Speller, Desjarlais and Gray as developmental (and playing) young offensive lineman. Neufeld will play when he's ready and it will be hard enough to roster everyone as it is. There will be plenty of shiny things next draft we can spend our first rounder on.

Injuries and ratio. In any case he was drafted by the Riders. Whether we bid or not I don't know.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2019, 03:09:12 PM
I'd pass on him as I don't see the need. We have Speller, Desjarlais and Gray as developmental (and playing) young offensive lineman. Neufeld will play when he's ready and it will be hard enough to roster everyone as it is. There will be plenty of shiny things next draft we can spend our first rounder on.

Plus Eli on the PR.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2019, 03:09:32 PM
Injuries and ratio. In any case he was drafted by the Riders. Whether we bid or not I don't know.

Right, but the question becomes how you roster him if he's essentially an injury replacement.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2019, 03:10:18 PM
Plus Eli on the PR.

Right. Forgot. Good point. Who is also a natural centre. There's no way to fit him really.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 26, 2019, 03:23:25 PM
The GMs quite obviously did not view him in the same light as the media.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
Right, but the question becomes how you roster him if he's essentially an injury replacement.

Very few OL can start in their 1st year. Might depend on whether any of them can play RT eliminating the need to roster an import on the 1 man DR. Especially when the import is just another CFL rookie on an ELC. Might have been different if Foketi was the extra import OL.

Don't know anything about Bennett or even Eli for that matter. Perhaps some of the 2019 drafted OL are more versatile or perhaps not.

The original comments were that Bennett could have been a top 1st round pick. In theory that would have made him a higher prospect than Eli even if we stole him so to speak.

But you are correct that finding a space for him or any new player is not black and white. Roster size, SMS all have to be managed.

To answer the direct question I would have moved McGloster to PR and put Bennett on the 1 man DR. Even though Bennett got picked with a 3rd round choice, a Canadian OL over an import is a good option.

We're 1 nick away from starting a 2019 draft choice already.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 26, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
Obviously when other teams were/are in need of National lineman to get him with only a 3rd means that most G.M's didn't see any value/upside to him other than a body.

Undersized and not an overwhelming performer at the College level so pretty much a meh pick and hardly any kind of coup....but when you are desperate for talent and depth..especialy National you will scramble for what you can get


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Jets on June 26, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
I?d take a Canadian guy that has started some games in a pro league at C for a 3rd rounder any day.  Hate the Riders, like the value pickup.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 26, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
What?  Risk?  You mean we might get stuck with a quality Olineman who is game ready after playing in the AAF and exhausting his NFL window?  24 years old and a C?  

Yeah, lets hope we don't get stuck with that... our first rounder next year is going to be 8 or 9 at best, this way we get a player a year early as well...

No way it gets left at our pick, EDM, TOR or BC... heck HAM might even bid...

But bidding makes one of them use thier first, and takes MTL out of the running... the Manzeil trade mucks them up again...
Sure he might be fine. But we don't need that and adding him takes away Speller or Eli and once Neufeld returns an even bigger headache.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
Neufeld's injury is puzzling since we didn't really hear much about it. He may be pulled off early or he may be gone for an extended part of the season.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 26, 2019, 03:57:00 PM
I?d take a Canadian guy that has started some games in a pro league at C for a 3rd rounder any day.  Hate the Riders, like the value pickup.
At 288 pounds, he's 10 pounds lighter than our lightest guy. From what I've read, hes more finesse than power. So a guy like Richardson, who is powerful, might be able to push him around.

Besides Wagoner and Johnstone, I cant recall a 1st round Sup pick recently. I'm sure during the regular draft Bennett, just like Wolitarsky, would have been a 1st rounder


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 04:29:42 PM
At 288 pounds, he's 10 pounds lighter than our lightest guy. From what I've read, hes more finesse than power. So a guy like Richardson, who is powerful, might be able to push him around.

Besides Wagoner and Johnstone, I cant recall a 1st round Sup pick recently. I'm sure during the regular draft Bennett, just like Wolitarsky, would have been a 1st rounder

Didn't the Stamps take Singleton with a 1st round pick, 6th overall?

Regardless you can never tell in any draft version. We took Woli with a 3rd rounder and that worked out. We took Ekakitie with a 1st round draft and that was a total failure.

Time will tell. Both on how Bennett progresses and how our young guys develop.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 26, 2019, 04:59:22 PM
Wow... how does MTL pass on giving up a 3rd for him?  Do they bid in succession, or one bid only, highest wins?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2019, 05:19:29 PM
Wow... how does MTL pass on giving up a 3rd for him?  Do they bid in succession, or one bid only, highest wins?

Apparently their criteria for selecting a player in the supplemental draft matches that of 8 other teams so you can't fault them there.  Inserting a rookie of this calibre into their lineup as a starter is just going to make the problem worse, not better.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 26, 2019, 05:26:36 PM
Apparently their criteria for selecting a player in the supplemental draft matches that of 8 other teams so you can't fault them there.  Inserting a rookie of this calibre into their lineup as a starter is just going to make the problem worse, not better.

but hey, it's Montreal... they've demonstrated the ability to make their team worse when they add good, seasoned veterans to their team as late, so moving backwards once again shouldn't shock or surprise anyone...  ;D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the paw on June 26, 2019, 06:52:40 PM
Wow... how does MTL pass on giving up a 3rd for him?  Do they bid in succession, or one bid only, highest wins?

Montreal has Matte and Spencer Wilson as experienced OL, but they also have Rutherford, Johnstone and Jamieson as young guys who are all pushing for playing time.  Zach Wilkinson, another decent prospect, is on the practice roster.  It wouldn't make a lot of sense to spend a 3rd rounder on this new guy, just to push another prospect off the AR. 

Als have problems, but the National talent on the o-line doesn't look like one of them. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 06:59:21 PM
Eskimo's moved JSK to 6 game IR. WOW. What was his injury in late 2018?

Also they activated Travis Bond so that will help on their OL. Not sure what ratio adjustments they made for that.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the paw on June 26, 2019, 07:27:13 PM
Eskimo's moved JSK to 6 game IR. WOW. What was his injury in late 2018?

Also they activated Travis Bond so that will help on their OL. Not sure what ratio adjustments they made for that.

They are starting a Canadian (Hoover)  at safety instead of import Hunter, whom they move to DI and sit Taylor. 



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 26, 2019, 07:29:10 PM
Eskimo's moved JSK to 6 game IR. WOW. What was his injury in late 2018?

Also they activated Travis Bond so that will help on their OL. Not sure what ratio adjustments they made for that.

Dave Campbell @Dave_CHED

OL Jacob Ruby is on the 1-game injured list so the #Eskimos will flip ratio at LG with Travis Bond. Ripple effect is a ratio-flip at safety with Jordan Hoover starting. LB Jovan Santos-Knox has been moved from the 1-game inj. list to the 6-game inj. list. #CFL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
Dave Campbell @Dave_CHED

OL Jacob Ruby is on the 1-game injured list so the #Eskimos will flip ratio at LG with Travis Bond. Ripple effect is a ratio-flip at safety with Jordan Hoover starting. LB Jovan Santos-Knox has been moved from the 1-game inj. list to the 6-game inj. list. #CFL

Hoover should practice waving goodbye as Adams and Matthews run by him.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 26, 2019, 08:34:49 PM

Mike Sawatzky @sawa14

Less than 24 hrs after saying he would be part of Edmonton?s defensive rototion, Jovan Santos-Knox goes on 6-game IR.  #WFP



JSK to the 6 game, same as Neufeld?  "Business" decision because they aren't practicing anyways?  Can't have premium paid players chewing up SMS on the 1 game...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 26, 2019, 11:09:57 PM
Its not a roster move per se, but former Bomber Abu Conteh took part in the LA XFL teams summer showcase as a corner.

Also John Santiago, a RB for us in the preseason, was there as a WR.

If either show anything in the XFL, I would definitely hope the BB bring em back. Especially if Santiago has strong receiving abilities.


Wish them nothing but luck and I hope he makes the team and that the league thrives.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 27, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
Breaking news - after an 0-2 start, Mike Reilly cuts his beard. ;D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 27, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
The band aid is now on the 6 game. Not surprised.

JSK, well this is what Walters knew in the off season.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blueraid on June 27, 2019, 01:51:53 PM
The band aid is now on the 6 game. Not surprised.

JSK, well this is what Walters knew in the off season.

AND he wanted a shot at the nfl.....he'll be lucky to hang around the CFL....Walters was wise to let him go


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on June 27, 2019, 02:36:49 PM
Its not a roster move per se, but former Bomber Abu Conteh took part in the LA XFL teams summer showcase as a corner.

Also John Santiago, a RB for us in the preseason, was there as a WR.

If either show anything in the XFL, I would definitely hope the BB bring em back. Especially if Santiago has strong receiving abilities.


Wish them nothing but luck and I hope he makes the team and that the league thrives.

I would love to bring back Conteh if it were possible. Totally for homer reasons- I think I just want him to be good.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Jesse on June 27, 2019, 03:53:31 PM
JSK, well this is what Walters knew in the off season.

Well, I feel like this is revisionist history, didn't we offer JSK a contract?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 27, 2019, 04:06:39 PM
Well, I feel like this is revisionist history, didn't we offer JSK a contract?

It's revisionist history. We tried and couldn't come to terms with JSK and let him go to greener pastures. His injury had very little to do with why he isn't here. JSK was a great player for us last year and earned his shot at bigger money. Saying that Walters is some kind of genius for letting him go is pure poppycock.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 27, 2019, 04:09:43 PM
Well, I feel like this is revisionist history, didn't we offer JSK a contract?

We offered JSK a contract in line with what we thought the risk/benefit was.  He signed elsewhere for more.  Walters was comfortable with JSK at a certain level of investment, weighing in what he knew of his injury and his potential.  Yes, at the right price, we would have signed him.  The genius of the matter comes down to weighing the options, and making a prudent decision, which has borne out...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Jesse on June 27, 2019, 04:20:49 PM
We offered JSK a contract in line with what we thought the risk/benefit was.  He signed elsewhere for more.  Walters was comfortable with JSK at a certain level of investment, weighing in what he knew of his injury and his potential.  Yes, at the right price, we would have signed him.  The genius of the matter comes down to weighing the options, and making a prudent decision, which has borne out...

Nope.

We wanted him back. We thought he'd be healthy. We offered him a contract.

He signed for more somewhere else.

Multiple posters try to spout nonsense about Walters knew all along.

Complete crap.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 27, 2019, 04:40:38 PM
We offered JSK a contract in line with what we thought the risk/benefit was.  He signed elsewhere for more.  Walters was comfortable with JSK at a certain level of investment, weighing in what he knew of his injury and his potential.  Yes, at the right price, we would have signed him.  The genius of the matter comes down to weighing the options, and making a prudent decision, which has borne out...

There is no genius involved at all. JSK wanted more than we could give without sacrificing the money to fix some very glaring needs elsewhere. Call him a genius when his roster moves result in a Grey Cup. Until then he is doing what literally every single GM in the league is doing, making decisions on cost vs need. Letting good players walk is not the mark of a genius until it is proven that the money used elsewhere resulted in a better season.
One victory and you are trumpeting our offseason as genius...which it might be...however, there is absolutely no way of knowing that yet.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on June 27, 2019, 04:50:18 PM
Tonight will tell us where we stand early in the year. EE can score and have a good D. A lot of questions will be answered tonight.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 27, 2019, 04:55:23 PM
Nope.

We wanted him back. We thought he'd be healthy. We offered him a contract.

He signed for more somewhere else.

Multiple posters try to spout nonsense about Walters knew all along.

Complete crap.

OK, how is it spouting nonsense about KW knowing there was a potential of the injury not being rehabbed in time to start the season, and structuring the offer accordingly, but you manage to post definitive knowledge that KW "thought he would be healthy"?  There was a factor weighed into the equation which we had better level of knowledge on (our medical staff was treating him) in making our decision how hard to pursue him...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 27, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
OK, how is it spouting nonsense about KW knowing there was a potential of the injury not being rehabbed in time to start the season, and structuring the offer accordingly, but you manage to post definitive knowledge that KW "thought he would be healthy"?  There was a factor weighed into the equation which we had better level of knowledge on (our medical staff was treating him) in making our decision how hard to pursue him...

You are assuming that JSK's current injury is pre-existing. There is no evidence to support that. He went through camp and even played in preseason before this current stint on the 6 game and even if it was pre-existing so what?

What if he comes off the 6 game ends up playing 14 or 15 games for the Shmoes and racks up 80 tackles this year? Does that make Walters a genius? What if he plays half a year this year but next year has 100 tackles...is Walters still a genius? Such a stupid premise that because JSK is out for a couple games at the beginning of the season that KW is automatically a genius for letting him go.

I think Walters did the right thing letting him go, in fact I think it was the obvious thing, but not because he is some genius. Walters needed to free up cash to fix the fiasco that was our receiving corps. Something he has proven unable to do without FA spending. Letting JSK and Chungh walk is not a stroke of brilliance it is a result of needing to fix problem areas elsewhere because quite simply we were not talented enough in some areas to compete for the Grey Cup.

There is only one way to determine a GM's brilliance...championships. When/IF Walters delivers one I will say he is a brilliant GM. Until then...he is a GM that can field a competitive team which is a hair above average in this league. Walters still has a ton to prove before he should be labelled a genius.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on June 27, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Just saw on 3rd down that Taylor Loffler may have a torn ACL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on June 27, 2019, 06:30:42 PM
Just saw on 3rd down that Taylor Loffler may have a torn ACL

Yep. Walters had the foresight to bet on Loffler getting a torn ACL, which is why we didn't even try to offer him a contract.

#genius


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 27, 2019, 06:39:40 PM
Yep. Walters had the foresight to bet on Loffler getting a torn ACL, which is why we didn't even try to offer him a contract.

#genius

#heknew


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 27, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
i'll give Walters a call, maybe he know what's the winning lotto numbers this weekend. ::)

@ModAdmin can you PM me Mr.Walters contact #s?  ;D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 27, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
Tough break for Loffler. Is it the same knee? That would be the third time, wouldn't it?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 27, 2019, 07:27:51 PM
Yep. Walters had the foresight to bet on Loffler getting a torn ACL, which is why we didn't even try to offer him a contract.

#genius

#savant


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2019, 07:30:03 PM
Can we please make it a standing point that we refrain from using the word "genius" in it's relation to football?  ::)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
#savant

That ones okay.  ;D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 27, 2019, 07:39:20 PM
The amount of high fiving and back slapping for a 1-0 team is almost too much homerism for me to take.

JSK and Loffler are good players, and the market paid what it would bear for them.  I never understand why players become "no good" when someone else pays more for them.  It's a very finite career life, very few players win at the long game when it comes to salary, so when somebody offers you 10K more per season, you take it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on June 27, 2019, 07:40:40 PM
Tough break for Loffler. Is it the same knee? That would be the third time, wouldn't it?

yeah, he's torn his right ACL twice among various other injuries... not sure if this one is the same knee or not. He's been pretty banged up throughout his career besides managing to stay relatively healthy with us... tough one for him


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 27, 2019, 07:51:39 PM
I wonder if Loffler has been practicing regularly for the Als and if he hurt himself in a game or at practice.

You'd think 3downNation could do a little investigation instead of just repeating tweets from other people.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on June 27, 2019, 08:43:45 PM
Can we please make it a standing point that we refrain from using the word "genius" in it's relation to football?  ::)

Or the Apple Genius Bar!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 27, 2019, 08:52:51 PM
yeah, he's torn his right ACL twice among various other injuries... not sure if this one is the same knee or not. He's been pretty banged up throughout his career besides managing to stay relatively healthy with us... tough one for him

Very unfortunate for Loffler. Is this season ending and possibly career ending?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 27, 2019, 09:01:12 PM
There seems to be a great amount of confusion as to the difference between being genius and being fortunate amongst a couple of posters here.

I'll give you a hint Aards...FORTUNATELY Loffler and JSK did not accept our contract offers because it appears as though both are now injured.

FORTUNATELY, for one game we haven't missed them.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 27, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
Goosen was a tough loss, but the dude followed his dream to be a cop...Walters had 0 to do with that
Chungh was a tough loss, we wanted him apparently badly, It seems BC wanted him even more and arguably overpaid...Walters tried and deserves credit for potentially not over paying
Loffler was a tough loss, but the every game he played IMO was a bonus, unfortunatly his style of play and injury history had the odds on him not playing as much as he did. Walters may have got extremely lucky with the timing....luck....
JSK, was a tough loss, The guy got paid more, good on him...Did Walters know something about him? Unknown but he is young and talented, i would venture to say he will recover and again play great ball

Look every GM wins some and losses some and Walters is no different, he is not a god of GM's but he seems like a good steady GM.

To say we had some crystal ball insight on injuries, and our back-ups being better etc. is about as truthfull/realistic as Trudeau saying he will have a Pipeline built under his leadership


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: NewBlue on June 27, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
Sucks for Loffler...has it been confirmed yet?  I expected him to go thru injuries, but that has to be tough for him.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2019, 03:21:49 PM
JSK and Loffler were both injury concerns, and were offered deals commensurate with that risk.  SMS is not something you can fool with, having players linger on 1 games is deadly.  That said, having Wilson and Hecht/Jones made those decisions much, much easier.  And it has worked out, not signing Chungh, Loffler and JSK opened cap space for Matthews and Jefferson... who really haven't made a name this year, but you know they will...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2019, 03:30:32 PM
JSK and Loffler were both injury concerns, and were offered deals commensurate with that risk.  SMS is not something you can fool with, having players linger on 1 games is deadly.  That said, having Wilson and Hecht/Jones made those decisions much, much easier.  And it has worked out, not signing Chungh, Loffler and JSK opened cap space for Matthews and Jefferson... who really haven't made a name this year, but you know they will...

Please explain to me how Loffler was an injury concern. The guy played just about every game here. That's pure baloney that you have created in your own head to try justify us not being able to afford his services any longer.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 28, 2019, 03:35:04 PM
Please explain to me how Loffler was an injury concern. The guy played just about every game here. That's pure baloney that you have created in your own head to try justify us not being able to afford his services any longer.

...all the while completely ignoring persistent tub dwellers like Neufeld who keep managing to stick around....


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 28, 2019, 03:39:24 PM
Please explain to me how Loffler was an injury concern. The guy played just about every game here. That's pure baloney that you have created in your own head to try justify us not being able to afford his services any longer.
Apparently because he never practiced= injury waiting to happen


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 28, 2019, 03:39:54 PM
Loffler may not have n=missed time...but he WAS an injury concern/risk...why do you think he rarely..if ever practiced here or participated in team drills...it was to preserve him, also a reason why he looked so awfull in coverage, and slow to react to balls in air and on recognizing route tree's to get there "before" the ball as opposed to his constant after that catch arrival...he never had time/opp to hone and practice on his skills...so it was wise to move on when we did really,,,sucks for him though.

And when was he hurt..as far as I saw/know he played the whole last game...was it in practice?...ooops on Als mngmt if it was


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2019, 03:46:49 PM
Please explain to me how Loffler was an injury concern. The guy played just about every game here. That's pure baloney that you have created in your own head to try justify us not being able to afford his services any longer.

Seriously?  Loffler fell to the third round due to injury concerns.  Loffler practiced occasionally, to limit injury concerns.  He was always coddled here. because of injury concerns, and we managed to get a good number of games out of him, through "load management".  Not saying he isn't a huge talent and a joy to watch come downhill and obliterate opponents.  But I'd be lying if I said I didn't cringe every time he did, expecting him to not get up...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 28, 2019, 03:50:27 PM
True enough, however, if he had signed here no one would have been particularly worried that he'd go out in week 2. It would have been business as usual. There wouldn't have been a lot of people thinking he wouldn't have been able to keep playing. Certainly not a Collaros-type worry. He was a guy who had a lot of injuries in college but was having a very healthy pro career. At least in terms of games played.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 28, 2019, 03:54:08 PM
Seriously?  Loffler fell to the third round due to injury concerns.  Loffler practiced occasionally, to limit injury concerns.  He was always coddled here. because of injury concerns, and we managed to get a good number of games out of him, through "load management".  Not saying he isn't a huge talent and a joy to watch come downhill and obliterate opponents.  But I'd be lying if I said I didn't cringe every time he did, expecting him to not get up...

Loffler suited up for 50 of a possible 54 games while he was a Bomber.  That is literally the opposite of "injury concern"



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the paw on June 28, 2019, 03:55:51 PM
Please explain to me how Loffler was an injury concern. The guy played just about every game here. That's pure baloney that you have created in your own head to try justify us not being able to afford his services any longer.

The guy had 4 major surgeries before finishing college (2 ACLs on the same knee, and labral tears in each hip).  I think its fair to say that there were concerns about his injury history.  I think its clear the Bombers thought it was worth the risk, and whether you call it load management or maintenance days, his practice regimen was tailored to keeping him healthy.

Having said that, none of that history was why the Bombers didn't sign him again.  they had figured out how to use him successfully, they just didn't want to commit SMS dollars to the safety position above a certain level.  Loffler's excellence priced him out of the Bomber's budget.  That is as plain as the beak on Boomer's face.

No GM with a ouija board, magic 8-ball, or other prescient powers led to avoiding him.  


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2019, 03:59:36 PM
I just made up injury concerns...

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
22 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler will go the week without practicing. Mike O'Shea would not rule him in/out but thinks he'll be OK. Derek Jones up next.


Jeff Hamilton @jeffkhamilton
26 Oct 2018
#Bombers announce that S Taylor Loffler has been ruled out for tonight's game agaisnt the Stamps. Loffler got banged up during Wednesday's closed practice and is likely to be replaced by Jeff Hecht, or by committee. RB Johnny Augustine draws into the game. #wfp

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
O'Shea says Taylor Loffler will "be good" for the #BanjoBowl despite not practicing. Kyle Knox is in question, but a possibility. #Bombers

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
The trend continues of Taylor Loffler being a non-participant at #Bombers practice lately. He has not missed a start this season.


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
23 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is in after missing practice throughout the week. Considering Abu Conteh is off, I assume Loffler will indeed play. #Bombers


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
21 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is missing a consecutive practice today. If he can't go Thur, O'Shea is confident in fourth-year #Bombers safety Derek Jones.


Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB
10 Aug 2017
No Taylor loffler at bomber practice but Mike Oshea says "he just needed a day" and will be ready for Hamilton


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
6 Jun 2017
Taylor Loffler returns to practice after missing six days. Darvin Adams looks doubtful for Saturday night. #Bombers



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2019, 03:59:53 PM
The guy had 4 major surgeries before finishing college (2 ACLs on the same knee, and labral tears in each hip).  I think its fair to say that there were concerns about his injury history.  I think its clear the Bombers thought it was worth the risk, and whether you call it load management or maintenance days, his practice regimen was tailored to keeping him healthy.

Having said that, none of that history was why the Bombers didn't sign him again.  they had figured out how to use him successfully, they just didn't want to commit SMS dollars to the safety position above a certain level.  Loffler's excellence priced him out of the Bomber's budget.  That is as plain as the beak on Boomer's face.

No GM with a ouija board, magic 8-ball, or other prescient powers led to avoiding him.  

Exactly. Loffler's injury history had zero to do with why we didn't re-sign him. His price tag had everything to do with it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 28, 2019, 04:01:38 PM
I just made up injury concerns...

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
22 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler will go the week without practicing. Mike O'Shea would not rule him in/out but thinks he'll be OK. Derek Jones up next.


Jeff Hamilton @jeffkhamilton
26 Oct 2018
#Bombers announce that S Taylor Loffler has been ruled out for tonight's game agaisnt the Stamps. Loffler got banged up during Wednesday's closed practice and is likely to be replaced by Jeff Hecht, or by committee. RB Johnny Augustine draws into the game. #wfp

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
O'Shea says Taylor Loffler will "be good" for the #BanjoBowl despite not practicing. Kyle Knox is in question, but a possibility. #Bombers

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
The trend continues of Taylor Loffler being a non-participant at #Bombers practice lately. He has not missed a start this season.


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
23 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is in after missing practice throughout the week. Considering Abu Conteh is off, I assume Loffler will indeed play. #Bombers


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
21 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is missing a consecutive practice today. If he can't go Thur, O'Shea is confident in fourth-year #Bombers safety Derek Jones.


Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB
10 Aug 2017
No Taylor loffler at bomber practice but Mike Oshea says "he just needed a day" and will be ready for Hamilton


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
6 Jun 2017
Taylor Loffler returns to practice after missing six days. Darvin Adams looks doubtful for Saturday night. #Bombers



2018 CFL all star at safety.

Not sure why you have this need to diss some ex Bombers that played very well for us when they were here.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2019, 04:04:02 PM
I just made up injury concerns...

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
22 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler will go the week without practicing. Mike O'Shea would not rule him in/out but thinks he'll be OK. Derek Jones up next.


Jeff Hamilton @jeffkhamilton
26 Oct 2018
#Bombers announce that S Taylor Loffler has been ruled out for tonight's game agaisnt the Stamps. Loffler got banged up during Wednesday's closed practice and is likely to be replaced by Jeff Hecht, or by committee. RB Johnny Augustine draws into the game. #wfp

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
O'Shea says Taylor Loffler will "be good" for the #BanjoBowl despite not practicing. Kyle Knox is in question, but a possibility. #Bombers

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
The trend continues of Taylor Loffler being a non-participant at #Bombers practice lately. He has not missed a start this season.


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
23 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is in after missing practice throughout the week. Considering Abu Conteh is off, I assume Loffler will indeed play. #Bombers


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
21 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is missing a consecutive practice today. If he can't go Thur, O'Shea is confident in fourth-year #Bombers safety Derek Jones.


Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB
10 Aug 2017
No Taylor loffler at bomber practice but Mike Oshea says "he just needed a day" and will be ready for Hamilton


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
6 Jun 2017
Taylor Loffler returns to practice after missing six days. Darvin Adams looks doubtful for Saturday night. #Bombers



I could find similar tweets about virtually any 4th year player in this league. If you can find me a veteran CFLer that has never missed a game or two or been held out of practice then I salute you. He started 50 out of a possible 54 games over 3 years here. I commend you for your search, but it completely lacks any validity at all.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2019, 04:06:02 PM
2018 CFL all star at safety.

Not sure why you have this need to diss some ex Bombers that played very well for us when they were here.

Especially a guy who was extremely reliable? Makes no sense. Not sure why Aards feels the need to smear the reputation of players to try make Kyle Walters look better?

Bottom line is whether we are talking about Chungh, JSK, or Loffler the facts are that they are all very good football players that we moved on from because we couldn't afford them any more. There was no consideration of them being injury risks, or anything else. Bottom line we needed the SMS room for other priorities.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 28, 2019, 04:08:59 PM
I just made up injury concerns...

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
22 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler will go the week without practicing. Mike O'Shea would not rule him in/out but thinks he'll be OK. Derek Jones up next.


Jeff Hamilton @jeffkhamilton
26 Oct 2018
#Bombers announce that S Taylor Loffler has been ruled out for tonight's game agaisnt the Stamps. Loffler got banged up during Wednesday's closed practice and is likely to be replaced by Jeff Hecht, or by committee. RB Johnny Augustine draws into the game. #wfp

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
O'Shea says Taylor Loffler will "be good" for the #BanjoBowl despite not practicing. Kyle Knox is in question, but a possibility. #Bombers

Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
7 Sep 2017
The trend continues of Taylor Loffler being a non-participant at #Bombers practice lately. He has not missed a start this season.


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
23 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is in after missing practice throughout the week. Considering Abu Conteh is off, I assume Loffler will indeed play. #Bombers


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
21 Aug 2017
Taylor Loffler is missing a consecutive practice today. If he can't go Thur, O'Shea is confident in fourth-year #Bombers safety Derek Jones.


Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB
10 Aug 2017
No Taylor loffler at bomber practice but Mike Oshea says "he just needed a day" and will be ready for Hamilton


Darrin Bauming, TSN. @DarrinBauming
6 Jun 2017
Taylor Loffler returns to practice after missing six days. Darvin Adams looks doubtful for Saturday night. #Bombers



So you have 7 quotes from 2017, a season in which he missed 1 game.  That's the same season where Weston Dressler missed, what, 7 games, but KW didn't move away from him in 2018, and he missed another 5 that season.  That's what an "actual" injury concern looks like.  You know, where they "actually" get hurt.





Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 28, 2019, 04:09:24 PM
Especially a guy who was extremely reliable? Makes no sense. Not sure why Aards feels the need to smear the reputation of players to try make Kyle Walters look better?
Because he takes everything personally. I'm sure even KW would scoff and laugh at how ridiculous Aards can be.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2019, 04:10:37 PM
So you have 7 quotes from 2017, a season in which he missed 1 game.  That's the same season where Weston Dressler missed, what, 7 games, but KW didn't move away from him in 2018, and he missed another 5 that season.  That's what an "actual" injury concern looks like.  You know, where they "actually" get hurt.





And actually miss game time. Just a pointless set of examples he was trying to sell.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2019, 04:12:31 PM
Because he takes everything personally. I'm sure even KW would scoff and laugh at how ridiculous Aards can be.



You are probably right. If he read the praise he gets from Aards he'd probably get a good chuckle out of some of the genius he is being given credit for.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2019, 04:20:39 PM
Exactly. Loffler's injury history had zero to do with why we didn't re-sign him. His price tag had everything to do with it.

THe price tag being too high had everything to do with injury concern.  If he was less of a risk, you go ahead and pay for a talent of his calibre, like Reed did. But the decision factors are "how much can we pay a safety, how much do we risk signing an injury prone safety, how good are the replacements we have in house".  If we have no one to replace him, and he never missed a game or practice, no doubt we find the budget to sign him.  Just like JSK.  

But why spend excessive SMS on a player that might not play, when you have other options that will.  We didn't sign Westerman coming off a pec injury, but signed Jefferson, who doesn't miss games or practices.  Having a healthy roster and a small 1 game IR means your SMS is on the field... limiting exposure to injury is a huge SMS factor...

I could find similar tweets about virtually any 4th year player in this league. If you can find me a veteran CFLer that has never missed a game or two or been held out of practice then I salute you. He started 50 out of a possible 54 games over 3 years here. I commend you for your search, but it completely lacks any validity at all.

He missed the last two regular season games last year.  Not a good trend in a contract year.  He had an all star season every year he played.  No doubting his talent.  

But Loffler missed more practices than probably any other Bomber, I don't know about the rest of the league, but I'd guess he was a top practice misser leaguewide.  Sure, players will occasionally take a "vet day", but with Loffler it seemed to be the rule, not the exception...  the "search" was "loffler practice" on twitter...  

Risk / reward.  I loved his play, and grateful for his service.  But I'm darn glad we didn't match Reed's offer.  Regardless of what has transpired, I said at the time that Reed made a mistake.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 28, 2019, 04:22:09 PM
Especially a guy who was extremely reliable? Makes no sense. Not sure why Aards feels the need to smear the reputation of players to try make Kyle Walters look better?

Bottom line is whether we are talking about Chungh, JSK, or Loffler the facts are that they are all very good football players that we moved on from because we couldn't afford them any more. There was no consideration of them being injury risks, or anything else. Bottom line we needed the SMS room for other priorities.
It's not that we couldn't afford them. It's that we chose not to pay them what other teams were willing to.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on June 28, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Because he takes everything personally. I'm sure even KW would scoff and laugh at how ridiculous Aards can be.



Do we think Aards is actually Nasty Nate after Nate got his lobotomy?  :D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on June 28, 2019, 06:15:34 PM
Riders have signed 2019 #CFL Supplemental Draft selection, National OL, Jake Bennett to a three-year contract.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/28/riders-sign-supplemental-draft-pick-canadian-ol-jake-bennett/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on June 28, 2019, 08:27:13 PM
Poor guy


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 28, 2019, 08:32:50 PM
Poor guy
lol...yep


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on June 28, 2019, 09:54:52 PM
You guys are so funny!!!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2019, 10:01:48 PM
Riders have signed 2019 #CFL Supplemental Draft selection, National OL, Jake Bennett to a three-year contract.

https://3downnation.com/2019/06/28/riders-sign-supplemental-draft-pick-canadian-ol-jake-bennett/

But he can get out in 2 with good behaviour...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 28, 2019, 11:59:56 PM
Didier Ormejuste  @DidierRDS
According to Kavis Reed, Taylor Loffler suffered a torn meniscus. The plan is for him to miss next week's game after which he will be re-evaluated and will get surgery if needed. If Loffler ends up getting surgery he would subsequently be out for 4-6 weeks. #Alouettes @CFL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 29, 2019, 12:02:43 AM
Didier Ormejuste  @DidierRDS
According to Kavis Reed, Taylor Loffler suffered a torn meniscus. The plan is for him to miss next week's game after which he will be re-evaluated and will get surgery if needed. If Loffler ends up getting surgery he would subsequently be out for 4-6 weeks. #Alouettes @CFL
Keeping a cheaper Hecht looks like a clearly better manoeuvre.

Hecht made another great play yesterday hitting hard and dislodging the ball from the receiver.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 29, 2019, 12:34:39 AM
Keeping a cheaper Hecht looks like a clearly better manoeuvre.

Hecht made another great play yesterday hitting hard and dislodging the ball from the receiver.

Hecht seems to be hitting with all the force Loffler did.  I don't know what they are putting in his Wheaties, but he is a different player since arriving in Bomberland...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: VictorRomano on June 29, 2019, 02:20:11 AM
Hecht also looks like Zach Galafinakis' character from The Hangover....all he needs is a baby strapped to his belly and a pair of aviator sunglasses....



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 29, 2019, 03:56:19 AM
THe price tag being too high had everything to do with injury concern.  If he was less of a risk, you go ahead and pay for a talent of his calibre, like Reed did. But the decision factors are "how much can we pay a safety, how much do we risk signing an injury prone safety, how good are the replacements we have in house".  If we have no one to replace him, and he never missed a game or practice, no doubt we find the budget to sign him.  Just like JSK.  

But why spend excessive SMS on a player that might not play, when you have other options that will.  We didn't sign Westerman coming off a pec injury, but signed Jefferson, who doesn't miss games or practices.  Having a healthy roster and a small 1 game IR means your SMS is on the field... limiting exposure to injury is a huge SMS factor...

He missed the last two regular season games last year.  Not a good trend in a contract year.  He had an all star season every year he played.  No doubting his talent.  

But Loffler missed more practices than probably any other Bomber, I don't know about the rest of the league, but I'd guess he was a top practice misser leaguewide.  Sure, players will occasionally take a "vet day", but with Loffler it seemed to be the rule, not the exception...  the "search" was "loffler practice" on twitter...  

Risk / reward.  I loved his play, and grateful for his service.  But I'm darn glad we didn't match Reed's offer.  Regardless of what has transpired, I said at the time that Reed made a mistake.

You may not recall that upon signing his first contract with Wpg. Loffler negotiated the right to manage his practice schedule as he saw fit due to his substantial injury history in college.  If he missed many practices but played in 70 out of 74 games while a Bomber and still made all-star each season I would say he managed his body well, absorbed the playbook and performed his job at a very high level.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 29, 2019, 07:27:27 AM
You may not recall that upon signing his first contract with Wpg. Loffler negotiated the right to manage his practice schedule as he saw fit due to his substantial injury history in college.  If he missed many practices but played in 70 out of 74 games while a Bomber and still made all-star each season I would say he managed his body well, absorbed the playbook and performed his job at a very high level.


I don't get what Aards is trying to prove, unless he's trying to prove that he has an issue with grasping for straws that don't exist.

Loffler preserved himself and played almost every game possible. I never recall him looking lost or out of shape so really all this hullabaloo is about nothing. Ya know how sometimes the hardest part is letting go? I think Aards just needs to accept the guys are gone and quit trying to think of excuses as to why certain roster changes were made


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 29, 2019, 07:40:35 AM
There is no genius involved at all. JSK wanted more than we could give without sacrificing the money to fix some very glaring needs elsewhere.

Aards is right in that injury probability does factor into a GM's choices.  It probably factored into not resigning Dressler too.  Surely you must admit that it is at least a tiny factor, even just 1%.  If I'm making big choices, I am laying out all the pros/cons and ranking them by importance.  Injury-prone-ness may be low on the list, but it is on that list.

Now, MOS/KW are smart for seeing that Wilson was ready to take over JSK's spot at half the price.  We now have 2 games in and Wilson has been great in both.  In fact EDM steered away from Wilson's side most of the night.  And how can you not love a WILL named WILson.  Seriously  ;D  :o  (We had WILd, too.)

Chungh was a tough loss, we wanted him apparently badly, It seems BC wanted him even more and arguably overpaid...Walters tried and deserves credit for potentially not over paying
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Look every GM wins some and losses some and Walters is no different, he is not a god of GM's but he seems like a good steady GM.

What KW should get major credit for is not getting the GM "tunnel vision" that some others do where they focus on certain players and then bid up the $$ to whatever it takes, even if it's insane, and will hurt their team in other places.  Kavis has that problem.  Hervey has that problem.  Maybe even EDM's GM has that problem.

KW does not have that problem.  He makes a fair offer, plays up his locker room and GC potential, and says take it or leave it.  One thing you can never accuse KW of is over-spending!  Even prior "big spends" like Nichols' $500k contract, Bighill and Jefferson now look cheap compared to the insanity going on elsewhere.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 29, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
Aards is right in that injury probability does factor into a GM's choices.  It probably factored into not resigning Dressler too.  Surely you must admit that it is at least a tiny factor, even just 1%.  If I'm making big choices, I am laying out all the pros/cons and ranking them by importance.  Injury-prone-ness may be low on the list, but it is on that list.

Now, MOS/KW are smart for seeing that Wilson was ready to take over JSK's spot at half the price.  We now have 2 games in and Wilson has been great in both.  In fact EDM steered away from Wilson's side most of the night.  And how can you not love a WILL named WILson.  Seriously  ;D  :o  (We had WILd, too.)

What KW should get major credit for is not getting the GM "tunnel vision" that some others do where they focus on certain players and then bid up the $$ to whatever it takes, even if it's insane, and will hurt their team in other places.  Kavis has that problem.  Hervey has that problem.  Maybe even EDM's GM has that problem.

KW does not have that problem.  He makes a fair offer, plays up his locker room and GC potential, and says take it or leave it.  One thing you can never accuse KW of is over-spending!  Even prior "big spends" like Nichols' $500k contract, Bighill and Jefferson now look cheap compared to the insanity going on elsewhere.



Sorry evidence does not support your argument regarding Walters frugality, he's bought into the high spending game hook, line and Catamaran.  He's made Jefferson the highest paid DE in the league, Bighill the highest paid MLB, and pursued both Walker and Ellingson two of the highest paid receivers in earnest trying to win the bid for their services.  I suspect he paid Matthews in the ball park of $225,000 in order to check off the costly receiver box on his list of wants.  This coming off-season he gets to deal with Nichols and Streveler contracts so we will see the implications on the team of having to pay one or both of them hefty raises if he wants to retain them.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on June 29, 2019, 01:20:43 PM
This years 20-20 hindsight award goes to Walters. Turns out he somehow knew that Loffler and JSK would end up on the 6 man IR on their new teams so they weren't worth the money they were asking for.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 29, 2019, 04:52:25 PM
Aards is right in that injury probability does factor into a GM's choices.  It probably factored into not resigning Dressler too.  Surely you must admit that it is at least a tiny factor, even just 1%.  If I'm making big choices, I am laying out all the pros/cons and ranking them by importance.  Injury-prone-ness may be low on the list, but it is on that list.

Now, MOS/KW are smart for seeing that Wilson was ready to take over JSK's spot at half the price.  We now have 2 games in and Wilson has been great in both.  In fact EDM steered away from Wilson's side most of the night.  And how can you not love a WILL named WILson.  Seriously  ;D  :o  (We had WILd, too.)

What KW should get major credit for is not getting the GM "tunnel vision" that some others do where they focus on certain players and then bid up the $$ to whatever it takes, even if it's insane, and will hurt their team in other places.  Kavis has that problem.  Hervey has that problem.  Maybe even EDM's GM has that problem.

KW does not have that problem.  He makes a fair offer, plays up his locker room and GC potential, and says take it or leave it.  One thing you can never accuse KW of is over-spending!  Even prior "big spends" like Nichols' $500k contract, Bighill and Jefferson now look cheap compared to the insanity going on elsewhere.


Not sure how much was steering away from Wilson and how much was steering towards Fenner... ;)   

We definately are a preferred destination now, both the team and the culture and even a little bit the fans and facility.  Matthews wanted to come here, Jefferson, Bighill both chose us over other teams.  These are BIG names that we landed not because we trotted out the checkbook, we paid fair value and got awesome players.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 29, 2019, 08:22:03 PM
IMO not re-signing Loffler had more to do with salary. They needed the money to sign a receiver.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 30, 2019, 08:05:54 AM
Sorry evidence does not support your argument regarding Walters frugality, he's bought into the high spending game hook, line and Catamaran.  He's made Jefferson the highest paid DE in the league, Bighill the highest paid MLB, and pursued both Walker and Ellingson two of the highest paid receivers in earnest trying to win the bid for their services.  I suspect he paid Matthews in the ball park of $225,000 in order to check off the costly receiver box on his list of wants.  This coming off-season he gets to deal with Nichols and Streveler contracts so we will see the implications on the team of having to pay one or both of them hefty raises if he wants to retain them.

Key word is "pursued".  He pursued lots of players, but didn't tunnelvision into a never-ending bidding war.  He made them fair offers, and I'd be shocked if he went back to the bidding table more than once more to bump up his bid (if at all).  Contrast with other GMs who got played like violins in a bidding frenzy like some rarity on ebay.

Even if our DE and MLB are highest paid in the CFL, they are highest paid by, what, $30k?  Reilly was highest-paid (at the time of his signing) by $250k!!  There's a difference between stretching by peanuts vs a country mile!

I'd be shocked if Matthews got $225k from KW.  Under $200 I'd say.  CM is not Rogers or Ellingson, and didn't prove too much in '18.  Besides, we had the cap room by saving that $250k on QB.

KW isn't so much "frugal" as he is masterful at spreading it around and optimizing.  Just look at the horrid D in BC and CGY.  Even EDM's is weaker.  The tunnelvision GMs overspent at the expense of other areas.  KW didn't.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 30, 2019, 09:24:31 AM

Even if our DE and MLB are highest paid in the CFL, they are highest paid by, what, $30k?  Reilly was highest-paid (at the time of his signing) by $250k!!  There's a difference between stretching by peanuts vs a country mile!

Bighill was MODP is being paid 230K. The Riders meanwhile signed Micah Johnson for 20K more than Bighill so the Bombers aren't the only team that spends on free agents.

Also Jefferson maybe the highest paid DE but he's not the highest paid DL as he's getting 40K less than Johnson.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on June 30, 2019, 02:00:34 PM
Well it would be nice if Jefferson showed up for a game.  Very underwhelming!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on June 30, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
Well it would be nice if Jefferson showed up for a game.  Very underwhelming!
It would be nice if we just played him at end instead of all this cute putting him on the center and using him like linebacker


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DeeBoy on June 30, 2019, 03:24:22 PM
Jefferson is doing just fine in how they?re asking him to play. Understand that, and you?ll be less anxious.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2019, 04:21:33 PM
Well it would be nice if Jefferson showed up for a game.  Very underwhelming!

What kid of rig are you using?  Catching any pickerel?  Are you using an electric trolling motor?

Jefferson has had pressures, batted balls and draws double teams... he may not have posted fancy stats, but he is present every snap he takes, and opposing QB's are well aware of his presence...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
Jefferson has caused chaos in his two games to date. Sacks are nice but havoc resulting in bad / rushed throws is very effective as well. Taking away running lanes for RB's and preventing QB's from escaping pocket has impact.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on June 30, 2019, 05:31:49 PM
Jefferson has caused chaos in his two games to date. Sacks are nice but havoc resulting in bad / rushed throws is very effective as well. Taking away running lanes for RB's and preventing QB's from escaping pocket has impact.
Exactly. People forget that this is how Doug Brown was used. Sure he didn't appear on the stats sheet but by being double teamed he freed up other players to make plays.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 30, 2019, 05:33:49 PM
Bighill was MODP is being paid 230K. The Riders meanwhile signed Micah Johnson for 20K more than Bighill so the Bombers aren't the only team that spends on free agents.

Also Jefferson maybe the highest paid DE but he's not the highest paid DL as he's getting 40K less than Johnson.

"The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announced Tuesday they have signed the league's Most Outstanding Defensive Player Adam Bighill to a three-year contract extension.

TSN's Farhan Lalji reported Bighill will now be the highest paid defensive player in the league on a deal that will average more than $250K per year."

https://www.tsn.ca/blue-bombers-sign-bighill-to-three-year-extension-1.1241697

Sask. may have made Micah Johnson the highest paid D player as his contract was signed after Bighill's.  The point is Walters has bought into the idea of paying players he considers "stars" beyond the normal salary range for the position while holding others to a line he draws in the sand.  With Bighill he didn't really have a choice as he certainly deserves to be the highest paid MLB in the league and he is that important to the success of the team.  With Jefferson and Matthews it isn't so clear that he had to pay a premium to fill their roles, as recent recruiting shows they uncovered a few good prospects at both positions. If Walters had supreme confidence in his scouting and recruitment he would probably continue following Huff's road-map and not overpay for other teams proven talent.

A few problems with pursuing this strategy
1. Where to draw the line?  How much beyond base line do you venture?
2.  How to pick favourites?  Who gets rewarded and who is denied?
3.  How to avoid being burned by a player that does not live up to his top tier contract?   Both Mtl. and Sask. have famously signed vet. F.A.'s to lucrative contracts in the past only to reneg. on their deals in the second year of the contract and cut the player loose, which is bad for the player but also looks bad on the organization.

It may become more difficult to keep harmony in the locker room especially if this team manages to win a G.C. this year, certain players will expect to be compensated for excellent performance to the same extent as Walter's "star list" players. The end-result could be losing a 3rd of their players to F.A. and having a total rebuild on their hands.  Who wants to see that?   First example, Darvin Adams, if he puts up better numbers than Matthews at the end of the season is he likely to accept less pay or demand more?  In this scenario they probably decide to draw the line on Adams and let him walk away because of his age, which would be a sad end for a great Bomber. 



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on June 30, 2019, 07:24:35 PM
"The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announced Tuesday they have signed the league's Most Outstanding Defensive Player Adam Bighill to a three-year contract extension.

TSN's Farhan Lalji reported Bighill will now be the highest paid defensive player in the league on a deal that will average more than $250K per year."

https://www.tsn.ca/blue-bombers-sign-bighill-to-three-year-extension-1.1241697

Sask. may have made Micah Johnson the highest paid D player as his contract was signed after Bighill's.  The point is Walters has bought into the idea of paying players he considers "stars" beyond the normal salary range for the position while holding others to a line he draws in the sand.  With Bighill he didn't really have a choice as he certainly deserves to be the highest paid MLB in the league and he is that important to the success of the team.  With Jefferson and Matthews it isn't so clear that he had to pay a premium to fill their roles, as recent recruiting shows they uncovered a few good prospects at both positions. If Walters had supreme confidence in his scouting and recruitment he would probably continue following Huff's road-map and not overpay for other teams proven talent.

A few problems with pursuing this strategy
1. Where to draw the line?  How much beyond base line do you venture?
2.  How to pick favourites?  Who gets rewarded and who is denied?
3.  How to avoid being burned by a player that does not live up to his top tier contract?   Both Mtl. and Sask. have famously signed vet. F.A.'s to lucrative contracts in the past only to reneg. on their deals in the second year of the contract and cut the player loose, which is bad for the player but also looks bad on the organization.

It may become more difficult to keep harmony in the locker room especially if this team manages to win a G.C. this year, certain players will expect to be compensated for excellent performance to the same extent as Walter's "star list" players. The end-result could be losing a 3rd of their players to F.A. and having a total rebuild on their hands.  Who wants to see that?   First example, Darvin Adams, if he puts up better numbers than Matthews at the end of the season is he likely to accept less pay or demand more?  In this scenario they probably decide to draw the line on Adams and let him walk away because of his age, which is a sad end for a great Bomber. 



250k average over 3 years but 230k for 2019 which is less than Johnson is making.

Bombers make Adam Bighill the highest paid defensive player in the CFL
By Justin Dunk  January 15, 2019

Adam Bighill's new contract with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers makes him the highest paid defensive player in the CFL, per sources.

Bighill's three-year contract extension will pay him a signing bonus of $105,000 included in $230,000 of hard money in the first season. There is a massive $750,000-plus in hard money over the length of the agreement.

https://3downnation.com/2019/01/15/bombers-make-adam-bighill-the-highest-paid-defensive-player-in-the-cfl/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/01/15/bombers-make-adam-bighill-the-highest-paid-defensive-player-in-the-cfl/)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 01, 2019, 02:03:25 PM
Als sign Tyler Crapigna.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 01, 2019, 03:32:41 PM
Als sign Tyler Crapigna.

Well he has the right surname for the organization. :)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bluebeard on July 01, 2019, 04:07:33 PM
Als sign Tyler Crapigna.
Good signing if his hip is OK.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on July 02, 2019, 03:49:49 PM
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Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on July 02, 2019, 03:54:09 PM
Scrap heap stamps all season long. I love it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 03, 2019, 06:49:29 AM
Scrap heap stamps all season long. I love it.

I don't know... If Fenner really is that bad, how worse off would we be if we had put Conteh in Fenner's spot and gain an IMP spot elsewhere (O guard maybe)?

Of course, that's assuming Fenner really is that bad that he's worse than a fairly inexperienced NAT.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on July 03, 2019, 12:18:12 PM
I don't know... If Fenner really is that bad, how worse off would we be if we had put Conteh in Fenner's spot and gain an IMP spot elsewhere (O guard maybe)?

Of course, that's assuming Fenner really is that bad that he's worse than a fairly inexperienced NAT.


He got absolutely torched last game. Don't know if we have anything better or not, but I suspect any change won't be a downgrade.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
I don't know... If Fenner really is that bad, how worse off would we be if we had put Conteh in Fenner's spot and gain an IMP spot elsewhere (O guard maybe)?

Of course, that's assuming Fenner really is that bad that he's worse than a fairly inexperienced NAT.


Considering our Oline is pretty solid, and we don't have an Int OG on the roster, not sure any ratio change is necessary...

Fenner will work it out, he's a solid player.  If they put him to SAM and Rios comes in, might just be what we need... Or flip Gaitor and Fenner...

He got absolutely torched last game. Don't know if we have anything better or not, but I suspect any change won't be a downgrade.

He got targeted excessively, for sure.  Yet somehow did not get beat for a TD all game...   he had a bad game, Harris had a bad game, and we put up more points than they did.  Red zone has been our zone...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 03, 2019, 12:57:09 PM
Considering our Oline is pretty solid, and we don't have an Int OG on the roster, not sure any ratio change is necessary...

Fenner will work it out, he's a solid player.  If they put him to SAM and Rios comes in, might just be what we need... Or flip Gaitor and Fenner...

He got targeted excessively, for sure.  Yet somehow did not get beat for a TD all game...   he had a bad game, Harris had a bad game, and we put up more points than they did.  Red zone has been our zone...

Fenner has had two bad games, not one. As someone mentioned he's a taller Roc Carmichael.

This week is another test to see if he improves his performance. Dom Davis throws deep a lot which is a concern for our secondary.

Whether Fenner succeeds we'll see soon enough but we may need to see Rios sooner this week if things go badly often or quickly.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 03, 2019, 01:28:54 PM
Considering our Oline is pretty solid, and we don't have an Int OG on the roster, not sure any ratio change is necessary...

Fenner will work it out, he's a solid player.  If they put him to SAM and Rios comes in, might just be what we need... Or flip Gaitor and Fenner...

He got targeted excessively, for sure.  Yet somehow did not get beat for a TD all game...   he had a bad game, Harris had a bad game, and we put up more points than they did.  Red zone has been our zone...
He is a solid SAM, not a solid player. A solid player wouldn't get sliced and diced like he is. Why move Gaitor from a position he has been solid at just to keep Fenner here? If Fenner was a better SAM than Gaitor, wouldn't they have started Fenner at SAM?

He didn't give up a TD, but he did against BC. And he will against other teams, because he simply is our weakest DB by far.

Are you seriously comparing Harris to Fenner? Youd rather do that than accept Fenner isn't a corner? Okay well here goes: Harris had a bad game. But he has shown to be a very good running back. Fenner has had 2 bad games. 2 games into a season. He has never been an established corner. This was the first time he has played corner since early on in college. They are not at all similar


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
So, with CGY mining the scrapheaps for parts, BLM is off for a second opinion... which rarely happens if the first opinion is favourable.  So, it looks like Arbuckle for the near future.  And Cozart backing up... Cozart?  Who is Cozart?

SSK is getting a gift this week... Fajardo vs. Arbuckle...  this is a pick'em test...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on July 03, 2019, 01:53:09 PM
over the last year and a bit Arbuckle has showed very well...he's been there a while now so it's not like he is a newbie...Maybe he will pull a "fajardo" and have Suitor blowing kisses up his butt too hahaha

Arbuckle in my opinion has a wayyyy better skill set than Fajardo...as well as Wayyyy better coaching and team around him


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on July 03, 2019, 02:45:44 PM
over the last year and a bit Arbuckle has showed very well...he's been there a while now so it's not like he is a newbie...Maybe he will pull a "fajardo" and have Suitor blowing kisses up his butt too hahaha

Arbuckle in my opinion has a wayyyy better skill set than Fajardo...as well as Wayyyy better coaching and team around him

The issue with Cgy is their D is not as formidable as the years past.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on July 03, 2019, 03:16:02 PM
but...better than T.O and at worst right now I think on par with Ottawa..so for Sask to win Fajardo has to pull another what i believe is exception...and not the norm game outta his butt...and doubt he will


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on July 03, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
hey, hey, hey now... it's only the 2nd game of the year... and didn't we win that game??? let's give Fenner a break here, geez...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on July 03, 2019, 06:12:20 PM
Riders have signed Cdn. kicker Gabriel Ferraro.

https://3downnation.com/2019/07/03/riders-sign-canadian-kicker-gabriel-ferraro/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on July 03, 2019, 06:20:52 PM
but...better than T.O and at worst right now I think on par with Ottawa..so for Sask to win Fajardo has to pull another what i believe is exception...and not the norm game outta his butt...and doubt he will

Yes weaker defences, but Fajardo looked really good.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on July 03, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
the one I'm really interest in seeing how it all plays out for is Dom... because I'll be the first to admit, while here he didn't look to have the skill sets to be successful at the position... he had the arm talent but seemed to really have trouble reading the defenses and making decisions based upon his read...

however, this year he looks like a different player, at least so far... going to keep an eye on him and root for him as well...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 03, 2019, 06:36:16 PM
the one I'm really interest in seeing how it all plays out for is Dom... because I'll be the first to admit, while here he didn't look to have the skill sets to be successful at the position... he had the arm talent but seemed to really have trouble reading the defenses and making decisions based upon his read...

however, this year he looks like a different player, at least so far... going to keep an eye on him and root for him as well...

Don't root for him this week against us.

Root for our DL to sack him at will and force him into multiple int's and bad decisions.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on July 03, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
Don't root for him this week against us.

Root for our DL to sack him at will and force him into multiple int's and bad decisions.

yes, good point! lol...

I'll especially be rooting for him when he's up against other west opponents!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue newt on July 03, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
yes, good point! lol...

I'll especially be rooting for him when he's up against other west opponents!

That's the spirit!

I'm also happy to see him finding success with the RBs.  Just not this week  ;)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 03, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
yes, good point! lol...

I'll especially be rooting for him when he's up against other west opponents!

So will I.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on July 03, 2019, 10:11:44 PM
Toronto Argonauts have signed former Saskatchewan Roughriders defensive back Crezdon Butler.

The Riders released Butler among their final training camp cuts in 2019.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on July 03, 2019, 11:02:14 PM
The Argos need help at all positions! They look like a disaster so far this year.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 05, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
Just added up the number of injuries on all the teams so far this season. 85 listed of which 46 are in the east and 39 in the west.

The Als show 12 in total and the Stamps have 14.

More will be added after last night's game with several players going down.

So far we have the 2nd least at 7 in total while BC is just showing 6 at the moment.

Tough season this early. 3 starting QB's already on the 6 game IR's of their team.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on July 05, 2019, 04:24:10 PM
Toronto Argonauts have signed former Saskatchewan Roughriders defensive back Crezdon Butler.

The Riders released Butler among their final training camp cuts in 2019.

Yikes....combing through Rider cuts. Sad state of affairs over in TO.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on July 05, 2019, 04:25:40 PM
Just added up the number of injuries on all the teams so far this season. 85 listed of which 46 are in the east and 39 in the west.

The Als show 12 in total and the Stamps have 14.

More will be added after last night's game with several players going down.

So far we have the 2nd least at 7 in total while BC is just showing 6 at the moment.

Tough season this early. 3 starting QB's already on the 6 game IR's of their team.

That is an interesting stat - have to wonder if this is a normal number for this time of year - or a higher than usual number? Everyone has their thoughts on this - mine (being from the old school where we wore pads every dang day at practice at SMU) I think the time spent without pads is hurting the teams and creating more injuries when it comes to game time.  Just my opinion without any stats to back it up of course!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 05, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
That is an interesting stat - have to wonder if this is a normal number for this time of year - or a higher than usual number? Everyone has their thoughts on this - mine (being from the old school where we wore pads every dang day at practice at SMU) I think the time spent without pads is hurting the teams and creating more injuries when it comes to game time.  Just my opinion without any stats to back it up of course!

First of all. Whoops. I forgot to add in the Riders injuries to the totals. They have 14 players injured. They tie for the most with Calgary and Toronto.

I think you may be right with the limited TC times without pads and short pre season schedule.

I also think a few teams are just expanding their rosters by use of the 1 game IR's.

Again that's only my opinion in that regard but it's a feeling based on the number and specific players that hit the IR's right out of TC.

OTOH, there are some TOP players like BLM, Elimimian, Lokombo etc already on 6 game IR's.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue newt on July 05, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
First of all. Whoops. I forgot to add in the Riders injuries to the totals. They have 14 players injured. They tie for the most with Calgary and Toronto.

I think you may be right with the limited TC times without pads and short pre season schedule.

I also think a few teams are just expanding their rosters by use of the 1 game IR's.

Again that's only my opinion in that regard but it's a feeling based on the number and specific players that hit the IR's right out of TC.

OTOH, there are some TOP players like BLM, Elimimian, Lokombo etc already on 6 game IR's.

I feel like a lot of players were on the IR right out of the gate this year.  And how many are hiding there, versus injured?

For example, with the Bombers, Neufeld and Kongbo haven't yet played a snap this season.  And are Lawler and Bailey injured?  Or just not PR-ed?

The Bombers don't keep their injury report up-to-date on their website, though.  No mention of Oliveira or Bighill on it.  Anyone know a more reliable source for who's on the Bomber IR?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 05, 2019, 05:23:09 PM
I feel like a lot of players were on the IR right out of the gate this year.  And how many are hiding there, versus injured?

For example, with the Bombers, Neufeld and Kongbo haven't yet played a snap this season.  And are Lawler and Bailey injured?  Or just not PR-ed?

The Bombers don't keep their injury report up-to-date on their website, though.  No mention of Oliveira or Bighill on it.  Anyone know a more reliable source for who's on the Bomber IR?


I suppose this list should be official, usually transactions show up within 24 hrs.

https://www.cfl.ca/transactions/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 05, 2019, 05:34:43 PM
I suppose this list should be official, usually transactions show up within 24 hrs.

https://www.cfl.ca/transactions/

Except they never seem to be correct days and days later. Oliveria had a transaction shown going to IR but on the roster is still not adjusted. Ditto with Augustine move to AR.

Kongbo camp into TC and we knew he was injured and not able to participate, so that's definitely legit.

The story on Neufeld is not as obvious. I don't know if he got injured early in TC or came to camp with an off season injury of some sort.

I do seriously doubt Lawler and Bailey are actually injured. They were just parked there to keep them around and not sitting on the PR. IMO of course.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 05, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
Except they never seem to be correct days and days later. Oliveria had a transaction shown going to IR but on the roster is still not adjusted. Ditto with Augustine move to AR.

Kongbo camp into TC and we knew he was injured and not able to participate, so that's definitely legit.

The story on Neufeld is not as obvious. I don't know if he got injured early in TC or came to camp with an off season injury of some sort.

I do seriously doubt Lawler and Bailey are actually injured. They were just parked there to keep them around and not sitting on the PR. IMO of course.

Counting 4 extra Import receivers including Nelson who does returns and Walker on the PR.  I can see keeping 2, somethins got to give.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue newt on July 05, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
Counting 4 extra Import receivers including Nelson who does returns and Walker on the PR.  I can see keeping 2, somethins got to give.

Going into the season, I maybe thought that they didn't think the preseason was enough time to properly evaluate their receivers and decide which ones to keep, so they wanted to give all of them a longer trial period before making their minds.  I figured that every game or two, someone else would rotate in to show what they can do.  But unless Whitehead's production drops off a cliff, I can't see them rotating him out at this point to give someone else a chance to prove themselves.

It's good insurance for injuries, though.  Can't complain we don't have depth at receiver anymore!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 05, 2019, 08:24:19 PM
Going into the season, I maybe thought that they didn't think the preseason was enough time to properly evaluate their receivers and decide which ones to keep, so they wanted to give all of them a longer trial period before making their minds.  I figured that every game or two, someone else would rotate in to show what they can do.  But unless Whitehead's production drops off a cliff, I can't see them rotating him out at this point to give someone else a chance to prove themselves.

It's good insurance for injuries, though.  Can't complain we don't have depth at receiver anymore!


That's seems about right. Keeping 2 rookies on the 1 game IR doesn't cost an enormous amount and creates a longer evaluation.

If and when a larger number of injuries occur then 1 game IR costs may start adding up. At the moment we've been somewhat lucky not having to deal with significant roster changes.

Ottawa shows something like 7 players going off and others coming on for tonight's game.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on July 05, 2019, 09:04:47 PM
I feel like a lot of players were on the IR right out of the gate this year.  And how many are hiding there, versus injured?

For example, with the Bombers, Neufeld and Kongbo haven't yet played a snap this season.  And are Lawler and Bailey injured?  Or just not PR-ed?

The Bombers don't keep their injury report up-to-date on their website, though.  No mention of Oliveira or Bighill on it.  Anyone know a more reliable source for who's on the Bomber IR?


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-qLpkBX4Ag_zME.png)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue newt on July 05, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Thanks!  Didn't even think to look on the depth chart.   :P  I always look under "Injury Report".  I know better now!   ;D



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on July 07, 2019, 07:46:08 PM
Chris Ackie signs in Montreal.

https://3downnation.com/2019/07/07/canadian-defender-chris-ackie-agrees-to-terms-with-alouettes/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 07, 2019, 07:46:13 PM
 
Finally.

CFL Headlines
@CFL_Headlines
Als agree to terms with Canadian LB Ackie: According to TSN690's Joey Alfieri, the Montreal Alouettes have agreed to terms with Canadian linebacker Chris Ackie.

https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-alouettes-agree-to-terms-with-canadian-linebacker-chris-ackie-1.1334351?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter ?  via @TSN_Sports


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on July 07, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
I feel like a lot of players were on the IR right out of the gate this year.  And how many are hiding there, versus injured?

For example, with the Bombers, Neufeld and Kongbo haven't yet played a snap this season.  And are Lawler and Bailey injured?  Or just not PR-ed?

The Bombers don't keep their injury report up-to-date on their website, though.  No mention of Oliveira or Bighill on it.  Anyone know a more reliable source for who's on the Bomber IR?


the roster is updated i think - https://www.bluebombers.com/roster/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 07, 2019, 09:00:00 PM
the roster is updated i think - https://www.bluebombers.com/roster/


Nope, Oliveira still listed on the roster, Augustine on the PR.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on July 07, 2019, 09:08:07 PM
LB Jeff Knox Jr. has signed with the RedBlacks.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on July 07, 2019, 09:36:10 PM
Nope, Oliveira still listed on the roster, Augustine on the PR.

I just viewed, Oliveira on the 6-game. Augustine on Active.

BTW, it's CFL.ca that updates the roster pages. I have asked of this before.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 08, 2019, 08:36:51 PM
BC signs Josh Bartel.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on July 08, 2019, 08:58:11 PM
Toronto Argonauts Media Relations   @ArgonautsMRMore
We have signed National K Tyler Crapigna and released American K Drew Brown.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on July 08, 2019, 09:01:38 PM
LB Jeff Knox Jr. has signed with the RedBlacks.

TRANSACTIONS: JULY 8, 2019

The Ottawa REDBLACKS of the Canadian Football League made the following roster transactions:

SIGNED:

American linebacker Jeff Knox Jr.
American linebacker Jerod Fernandez

RELEASED:

American wide receiver Ryan Lankford (Illinois)
American defensive lineman Blaine Woodson (Delaware)
American defensive back Ranthony Texada (Texas Christian)

https://www.ottawaredblacks.com/2019/07/08/transactions-july-8-2019/ (https://www.ottawaredblacks.com/2019/07/08/transactions-july-8-2019/)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 08, 2019, 09:03:18 PM
Toronto Argonauts Media Relations   @ArgonautsMRMore
We have signed National K Tyler Crapigna and released American K Drew Brown.

Sheesh, the execution of the scape goats continues.  Not saying Brown was worth anything, but I doubt it was his call to short kick the kickoff.  Sure, his execution sucked, but the right call was boom it down the center of the field and let the teamers take down the returner.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on July 08, 2019, 09:16:35 PM
Sheesh, the execution of the scape goats continues.  Not saying Brown was worth anything, but I doubt it was his call to short kick the kickoff.  Sure, his execution sucked, but the right call was boom it down the center of the field and let the teamers take down the returner.
IIRC he also missed a FG earlier in the game. I'm not surprised at this move.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 08, 2019, 09:50:17 PM
Als put Loffler back on the AR and also sign Brandin Bryant to their PR.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 08, 2019, 10:38:40 PM
Als put Loffler back on the AR and also sign Brandin Bryant to their PR.

I was wondering when Bryant would surface, surprised it took this long.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 09, 2019, 03:35:12 AM
I was wondering when Bryant would surface, surprised it took this long.
I'm not. He seemed to be fine, but most preseason cuts seem to sit while teams figure out what they have


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 09, 2019, 06:07:01 AM
Sheesh, the execution of the scape goats continues.  Not saying Brown was worth anything, but I doubt it was his call to short kick the kickoff.  Sure, his execution sucked, but the right call was boom it down the center of the field and let the teamers take down the returner.

Ya, talk about a week of ST pandemonium.  In '15 we let Haralajhuh (sp!?!) miss 5 FGs/PATs and be lacklustre in a ton of games before we fired him at end of season.  What's with the uber-short leash these teams have on people this year?  Wow.

From the stressed look on Brown's face on the sidelines, it's like he knew he was going to be fired.  Guy looks like just a kid.  Wonder if he'll ever get another shot in the CFL...

To be honest, even if they pin them back at the 35 (an average kickoff), Reilly can usually get his team within FG range in the 40s he had.  TOR probably loses no matter what.

Als put Loffler back on the AR and also sign Brandin Bryant to their PR.

Smart move by MTL.  Bryant is very good.  Only reason we let him go is we found a beast named Richardson.  Could MTL keep improving enough to be #2 in the East??


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Waffler on July 09, 2019, 11:48:06 AM

Could MTL keep improving enough to be #2 in the East??


Not sure about that yet but with BC and Sask the way they are it is possible there will be no crossover which would mean playoffs for Mtl.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on July 09, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
Not sure about that yet but with BC and Sask the way they are it is possible there will be no crossover which would mean playoffs for Mtl.

this scenario is very possible...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on July 09, 2019, 01:40:36 PM
Toronto Argonauts Media Relations   @ArgonautsMRMore
We have signed National K Tyler Crapigna and released American K Drew Brown.

Signed him of the Als practice roster...  no respect for Reed...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on July 09, 2019, 03:23:24 PM
Super rough start for Toronro and Montreal.  Both teams played way more competitively this past weekend. Maybe the East will improve.  Could there be parity?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on July 10, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
from Argos Twitter;
We have released the following players: American DB Crezdon Butler, American DT Poop Johnson and American RB Tyrell Sutton.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TheHypnotoad on July 10, 2019, 07:06:02 PM
Poop got flush LOL!!!! :D :D :D

Man, that guy seemed like a force destined for the NFL when he first showed up here, what a  fall from grace


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 11, 2019, 02:46:10 AM
from Argos Twitter;
We have released the following players: American DB Crezdon Butler, American DT Poop Johnson and American RB Tyrell Sutton.
What a fall for Sutton. It doesn't seem to long ago he was among the league rushing leaders. As for Poop, I dunno. I liked him here. Dunno what's happened elsewhere but I liked him here


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 11, 2019, 03:16:41 AM
What a fall for Sutton. It doesn't seem to long ago he was among the league rushing leaders. As for Poop, I dunno. I liked him here. Dunno what's happened elsewhere but I liked him here

Sutton is 32, Logan 38, John Bowman 38, players this age have no business taking up roster spots on struggling teams.  Go young or go home.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on July 11, 2019, 06:10:13 AM
What a fall for Sutton. It doesn't seem to long ago he was among the league rushing leaders. As for Poop, I dunno. I liked him here. Dunno what's happened elsewhere but I liked him here

I was a little shocked about Sutton, I think he was hurt earlier this year and on injured reserve... I hated to see it for Poop, he's a pretty cool dude and looked like he had his game really going there for a while... seems like since getting into the doghouse for whatever reason why with the Bombers he hasn't been able to duplicate what he did here... oh well..


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
I was a little shocked about Sutton, I think he was hurt earlier this year and on injured reserve... I hated to see it for Poop, he's a pretty cool dude and looked like he had his game really going there for a while... seems like since getting into the doghouse for whatever reason why with the Bombers he hasn't been able to duplicate what he did here... oh well..

There were rumors that Poop's offseason conditioning is a problem.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 11, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
There were rumors that Poop's offseason conditioning is a problem.

Couldn't land a stready job here either.  No surprise.  Unless you have top talent (ex. Charlie) you gotta take care of yourself.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 11, 2019, 11:46:26 AM
I was a little shocked about Sutton, I think he was hurt earlier this year and on injured reserve... I hated to see it for Poop, he's a pretty cool dude and looked like he had his game really going there for a while... seems like since getting into the doghouse for whatever reason why with the Bombers he hasn't been able to duplicate what he did here... oh well..

Surprised me too.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on July 11, 2019, 12:57:00 PM
Poop got flush LOL!!!! :D :D :D

Man, that guy seemed like a force destined for the NFL when he first showed up here, what a  fall from grace

I know, it really stinks for him.  ;D ;D  Anyway, you just have to flush the disappointment and move on.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 11, 2019, 01:40:49 PM
It will be interesting to see how Coombs does in Hamilton with an opportunity to take a more active role. The same applies in the comparison we see with Augustine in any relief role for A. Harris.

I was not in favor of bringing Coombs to Winnipeg earlier. We didn't need him and SMS might have been another issue.

With the injury to Oliveria that may have changed the picture of need.

So much is unknown. We didn't get to see anything from Oliveria due to such an early season injury. Augustine was on the AR for the last game but not used yet.

Coombs may not be successful. Augustine or Oliveria could have long CFL careers.

By the end of 2019 we might have a better grasp on Coombs and Augustine if they get playing time.

Hindsight is always perfect when you see how things work out. lol


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 11, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
It will be interesting to see how Coombs does in Hamilton with an opportunity to take a more active role. The same applies in the comparison we see with Augustine in any relief role for A. Harris.

I was not in favor of bringing Coombs to Winnipeg earlier. We didn't need him and SMS might have been another issue.

With the injury to Oliveria that may have changed the picture of need.

So much is unknown. We didn't get to see anything from Oliveria due to such an early season injury. Augustine was on the AR for the last game but not used yet.

Coombs may not be successful. Augustine or Oliveria could have long CFL careers.

By the end of 2019 we might have a better grasp on Coombs and Augustine if they get playing time.

Hindsight is always perfect when you see how things work out. lol

I would like to see O'Shea give Augustine a few series per game not only for his own reward but also to spell Harris off and reduce his workload. Harris got nearly beat to death finishing out the Ottawa game and nobody seemed to notice.  A few teams make use of two RB's in game situations to good purpose, Calgary and Sask. come first to mind and they carry two Imports on the game-day roster which is a bit more difficult to accommodate, so it can be done.  Augustine is on the sidelines, why not make use of his contribution instead of pretending he's not there?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on July 11, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
It will be interesting to see how Coombs does in Hamilton with an opportunity to take a more active role. The same applies in the comparison we see with Augustine in any relief role for A. Harris.

I was not in favor of bringing Coombs to Winnipeg earlier. We didn't need him and SMS might have been another issue.

With the injury to Oliveria that may have changed the picture of need.

So much is unknown. We didn't get to see anything from Oliveria due to such an early season injury. Augustine was on the AR for the last game but not used yet.

Coombs may not be successful. Augustine or Oliveria could have long CFL careers.

By the end of 2019 we might have a better grasp on Coombs and Augustine if they get playing time.

Hindsight is always perfect when you see how things work out. lol

During the Montreal game last week, Coombs was looking like the only bright spot on HAM, IMO.

I will be cheering for him as a local kid.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 11, 2019, 04:42:37 PM
If there was ever a game where back ups might get more time to play, this could be it. So getting Augustine more game reps could be something we see tomorrow.

Streveler might see lots of play in the 2nd half. etc etc.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on July 11, 2019, 07:40:40 PM
I would like to see O'Shea give Augustine a few series per game not only for his own reward but also to spell Harris off and reduce his workload. Harris got nearly beat to death finishing out the Ottawa game and nobody seemed to notice.  A few teams make use of two RB's in game situations to good purpose, Calgary and Sask. come first to mind and they carry two Imports on the game-day roster which is a bit more difficult to accommodate, so it can be done.  Augustine is on the sidelines, why not make use of his contribution instead of pretending he's not there?

during the game I was thinking the same thing but wrote it off as something we just don't do... I was happy to see O'Shea go back to Demski the few times he did earlier in the game to give the offense a different look and help Harris carry the workload...  I wasn't thinking about Augustine at the time, but that makes good sense, especially given the injury situation... maybe he'll get an opportunity this week...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 15, 2019, 08:10:23 PM
BC Lions sign Ryan Lankford.

With Rutley performing fairly well on returns, I'm guessing they signed him as a receiver?  Don't know what he'll bring to the table in that regard vs. what they already have.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on July 15, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
well he will give his all and true effort..even when ball not coming to him unlike Cancer Carter


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 15, 2019, 08:14:04 PM
BC Lions sign Ryan Lankford.

With Rutley performing fairly well on returns, I'm guessing they signed him as a receiver?  Don't know what he'll bring to the table in that regard vs. what they already have.
They've been starting 8+ Canadians a lot this year. Probably like him as a burner and to compliment Rutley on returns. Also could be they wanna use Rutley more on offense as White has been meh


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 15, 2019, 08:19:01 PM
Maybe he's a Plan B if they drop both games to Saskatchewan (and effectively end their season) so that they can do some salary dumps (i.e. Carter, though I don't know that he's all that expensive, he's more expensive than Lankford).


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 15, 2019, 08:59:43 PM
Lankford might actually get to do some P/K kicking for the Lions. That's not been an area of strength for them. If they get rid of Castillo ( or PR him ) they'd also get to add another DI. For that matter he might be better than Bartel as a P.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 15, 2019, 09:12:01 PM
Maybe he's a Plan B if they drop both games to Saskatchewan (and effectively end their season) so that they can do some salary dumps (i.e. Carter, though I don't know that he's all that expensive, he's more expensive than Lankford).
Of.course its Carter   ;D

I think it's just they realized starting 3 Canadian receivers isn't a smart move. Plus all teams should try to improve. Lankford was a fine return man this year and has speed. Would I want him back? No. But with speedy players you just never know


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on July 16, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
Lankford seem to excell when given spot duty.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on July 16, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Hervey bringing in a guy who brings his lunch pail with him to work every day. Sending a message to a team that is devoid of work ethic right now.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on July 16, 2019, 02:00:40 PM
Lankford isn't what BC needs. They need new OL.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on July 16, 2019, 04:46:16 PM
Kavus and the capman next to,go.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: The Zipp on July 16, 2019, 06:05:10 PM
Lankford isn't what BC needs. They need new OL.

exactly right...and actually try and establish the run game.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on July 16, 2019, 06:39:05 PM
exactly right...and actually try and establish the run game.

Are you not aware of the plan? Spend 3 quarters of a million dollars on a QB, give him no oline, no run game, and no permission to take off out of the pocket. Just stand there and throw the ball as far as you can each play and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Stretch on July 16, 2019, 06:42:58 PM
Are you not aware of the plan? Spend 3 quarters of a million dollars on a QB, give him no oline, no run game, and no permission to take off out of the pocket. Just stand there and throw the ball as far as you can each play and hope for the best.

Ah yes, the old "chuck and duck".


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on July 16, 2019, 06:45:36 PM
Lankford isn't what BC needs. They need new OL.

Agreed. However, when you blow your wad in FA and only have 45 cents left for in-season roster adjustments you get what you get.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 16, 2019, 06:55:24 PM
Ekakitie submitted his retirement papers today.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on July 16, 2019, 09:19:13 PM
Agreed. However, when you blow your wad in FA and only have 45 cents left for in-season roster adjustments you get what you get.
Gotta think an import OL would be just as cheap as Lankford.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 17, 2019, 03:55:04 AM
Gotta think an import OL would be just as cheap as Lankford.
But less of a known. Finding an upgrade at OL isn't easy. Lankford, for better or worse you know what you're getting.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on July 17, 2019, 01:24:54 PM
Lankford is lucky to have an invite.  Like I said, leave him as a returner, and he is good at it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: VictorRomano on July 17, 2019, 01:45:26 PM
Ekakitie submitted his retirement papers today.

What a waste of potential.  Shows what happens when you don't take the sport or the weight pile seriously.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on July 17, 2019, 01:50:40 PM
Immature and ignorant.  Gained an opportunity, and couldn't rise to the challenge. A waste!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Stretch on July 17, 2019, 02:52:29 PM
KR Stef Logan cut by Montreal

https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-alouettes-release-veteran-kick-returner-stefan-logan-1.1338526


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 17, 2019, 02:56:49 PM
What a waste of potential.  Shows what happens when you don't take the sport or the weight pile seriously.

Such a colossal disappointment. I'm sure that torn achilles injury helped nothing but still... He was expected to be a good player in this league.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 17, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
What a waste of potential.  Shows what happens when you don't take the sport or the weight pile seriously.
I'd say it was a waste both ways. The Bombers really screwed the pooch drafting him first overall


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on July 17, 2019, 02:59:46 PM
Immature and ignorant.  Gained an opportunity, and couldn't rise to the challenge. A waste!
Not sure how he was ignorant and immature. But you seemed to always make stuff up about him when he was here


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on July 17, 2019, 03:01:18 PM
What a waste of potential.  Shows what happens when you don't take the sport or the weight pile seriously.

He was asked to lose 15 lbs by the Bombers and reported 20 lbs heavier.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 17, 2019, 03:05:17 PM
KR Stef Logan cut by Montreal

https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-alouettes-release-veteran-kick-returner-stefan-logan-1.1338526

Buuuuttttt?...StefLogan123456 Ball Inflation Services is still on the Als vendor list, right

Too soon?



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 17, 2019, 03:30:05 PM
KR Stef Logan cut by Montreal

https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-alouettes-release-veteran-kick-returner-stefan-logan-1.1338526

Logan is still a good player at 38 but the Als should have gotten younger years ago.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on July 17, 2019, 04:12:07 PM
Logan is still a good player at 38 but the Als should have gotten younger years ago.

Also probably an SMS consideration as well as the need to get younger.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 17, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
It's actually remarkable that the guy was able to win the returner job at 38 out of camp and that he hung around as long as he did. That's a pretty amazing accomplishment at any position, but especially as a returner.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 17, 2019, 04:57:05 PM
It's actually remarkable that the guy was able to win the returner job at 38 out of camp and that he hung around as long as he did. That's a pretty amazing accomplishment at any position, but especially as a returner.

It might come out in the Kavis investigation that a couple of these old vet players were his chosen "bag men" if reports are true, so there could have been an ulterior motive for him to keep them around well past their due date.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 17, 2019, 05:06:57 PM
It might come out in the Kavis investigation that a couple of these old vet players were his chosen "bag men" if reports are true, so there could have been an ulterior motive for him to keep them around well past their due date.

True, I suppose. I hope not.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Jesse on July 17, 2019, 05:22:27 PM
True, I suppose. I hope not.

Supposedly, coaches wanted him out but akavis wouldn't let it happen.

Logan referred to himself as "untouchable", so it makes a lot of sense.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on July 17, 2019, 05:43:08 PM
It might come out in the Kavis investigation that a couple of these old vet players were his chosen "bag men" if reports are true, so there could have been an ulterior motive for him to keep them around well past their due date.

Also, Elvis and TuPac aren't dead, and we never landed on the moon!!!  :P :P

Just kidding, I love these theories.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 18, 2019, 06:00:42 AM
KR Stef Logan cut by Montreal

https://www.tsn.ca/montreal-alouettes-release-veteran-kick-returner-stefan-logan-1.1338526

That's a little sad.  I always like watching Logan.  Life long good returner, who could break one out at any moment.  Liked watching him in BC too.  38 is an insane age for a always-beat-up-on returner.

Why cut him instead of asking if he wants to retire?  He should definitely retire an Al.  I don't think anyone will pick him up.  Hopefully he isn't involved with Kavisgate.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on July 18, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
I don't think he is as good as was, but ..he is still a good returner.  I think any team that would pick him up would be wise to have him as an insurance guy, in case one of our guys gets nicked.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 05, 2019, 04:07:40 PM
RedBlacks release LB Jeff Knox Jr.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/05/redblacks-release-linebacker-jeff-knox-jr/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on August 05, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
RedBlacks release LB Jeff Knox Jr.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/05/redblacks-release-linebacker-jeff-knox-jr/

I was just about to comment on that one. I had thought he was a good player that the Riders hated to lose. What happened to him with the Red Blacks?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 05, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
I was just about to comment on that one. I had thought he was a good player that the Riders hated to lose. What happened to him with the Red Blacks?

Younger cheaper players playing better.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 05, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
Riders - Esks minor trade.  Kenny Stafford for Christion Jones.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/05/riders-trade-for-eskimos-receiver-kenny-stafford/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 05, 2019, 04:43:16 PM
Riders - Esks minor trade.  Kenny Stafford for Christion Jones.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/05/riders-trade-for-eskimos-receiver-kenny-stafford/

Stafford has more yardage than any of our receivers at the moment. He's a pretty good receiver.

Stafford was 3rd on the Eskimos in attempts, completions and yardage.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: RebusRankin on August 05, 2019, 05:06:07 PM
Interesting move by Edmonton, Stafford is a solid wr. Appears the Riders are trying to load up a little offensively.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 05, 2019, 05:37:25 PM
Stafford has more yardage than any of our receivers at the moment. He's a pretty good receiver.

Stafford was 3rd on the Eskimos in attempts, completions and yardage.

Yup, Riders just got a bit better today. At least they try to keep adding pieces to keep getting better.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on August 05, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
The west just got tighter!!! Good move by the riders


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on August 05, 2019, 06:11:49 PM
Yup, Riders just got a bit better today. At least they try to keep adding pieces to keep getting better.

That's how I see it also. The Riders also have a few folks coming off the injury list although Micah Johnson may be going on the 6 game.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 05, 2019, 07:49:30 PM
Riders Zack Evans (hip) placed on the six-game injured list.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 05, 2019, 08:58:57 PM
Yeah Stafford had a good yr last yr, and I agree, I thought he was a stable player, a safety net so to speak .


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 09, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Stamps RB Morris injures achilles vs Bombers.

https://www.tsn.ca/calgary-stampeders-believe-romar-morris-suffered-achilles-injury-1.1348736


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 09, 2019, 04:03:52 PM
Stamps RB Morris injures achilles vs Bombers.

https://www.tsn.ca/calgary-stampeders-believe-romar-morris-suffered-achilles-injury-1.1348736

Very unfortunate. If that's the case then I would think he's on the verge of it being career ending. Hard enough to recover once with rehab.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 09, 2019, 07:31:49 PM
Another interesting signing: Brandin Bryant apparently has signed with the Cleveland Browns. Of course he hasn't been missed here but regardless. Good for him


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 09, 2019, 07:46:06 PM
Great for Bryant
Awful for Moris
Why don't these trainers. Give these guys an extra twelve months to heal and get stronger?
Geez!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 09, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
What happened to JSK in Edmonton. He was injured in TC and will be missing his 8th game. Was his injury believed to be season ending?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on August 09, 2019, 07:53:16 PM
Great for Bryant
Awful for Moris
Why don't these trainers. Give these guys an extra twelve months to heal and get stronger?
Geez!
In this instance it's his other leg.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 10, 2019, 02:48:39 AM
Man that sucks.  A football,career might not be his best choice.  I know his Mom would be bellowing that!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 12, 2019, 12:23:21 PM
Argos trade Shawn Lemon to the Lions.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/12/argos-trade-dl-shawn-lemon-to-the-lions-for-davon-coleman/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 12, 2019, 01:13:59 PM
New scenery for both...  I wonder how instrumental the conditional 8th rounder was ;)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 12, 2019, 03:57:29 PM
Argos trade Shawn Lemon to the Lions.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/12/argos-trade-dl-shawn-lemon-to-the-lions-for-davon-coleman/


Lions couldn't stop the run before and this won't help. It might give them a bit more speed off the edge but if teams are running up the gut that won't help either.

Harris might have a 200 yard game this week.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 12, 2019, 04:40:19 PM
Yup, Lions have. Lousy linebackers.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on August 12, 2019, 04:48:59 PM
Lions couldn't stop the run before and this won't help. It might give them a bit more speed off the edge but if teams are running up the gut that won't help either.

Harris might have a 200 yard game this week.
Oh I agree. Harris and Demski should run rough shod over the Lions front 7. We should eat up the clock, TOP and score, running primarily low risk running plays and Harris should have a career high day.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on August 12, 2019, 05:30:02 PM
Oh I agree. Harris and Demski should run rough shod over the Lions front 7. We should eat up the clock, TOP and score, running primarily low risk running plays and Harris should have a career high day.

I was going to jab Demski's run ability assuming his ypc average was terrible. Turns out he's averaging 6.1 yards, so that's a surprise to me.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: gobombersgo on August 12, 2019, 05:39:26 PM
As per the REDBLACKS:
Released:
National wide receiver Julian Feoli-Gudino (Laval)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Stretch on August 12, 2019, 05:48:18 PM
We should eat up the clock, TOP and score, running primarily low risk running plays and Harris should have a career high day.

So more or less what we did against the Stamps.  ;)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 1chad on August 12, 2019, 05:50:40 PM
As per the REDBLACKS:
Released:
National wide receiver Julian Feoli-Gudino (Laval)

Not really surprised.  He had the best hands with the BB.  Seems to have a few more drops this year, something Ott cannot afford.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on August 12, 2019, 06:09:58 PM
So more or less what we did against the Stamps.  ;)

Those were checkdowns!! Don't count!!  :D


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 06:37:29 PM
Those were checkdowns!! Don't count!!  :D

actually, they were extended running plays as 9 of the 18 completions, or half, that Nichols had last week, on average, traveled 12" thru the air...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 12, 2019, 07:15:10 PM
actually, they were extended running plays as 9 of the 18 completions, or half, that Nichols had last week, on average, traveled 12" thru the air...

12", come on man that's ridiculous already.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
Andrew Harris  8 catches  44 yards  41 yards after the catch
Lucky Whitehead  1 catch 23 yards  23 yards after the catch
44+23=67 total yards
41+23=64 yards after the catch
67-64=3 yards
8+1=9 catches
3 divided by 9=.33
.33 of 1 yard is equal to 1 foot, or 12 inches...

actually, it's not that ridiculous, it's math...

but thank you for automatically discounting my post and opinion...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 12, 2019, 07:34:55 PM
Andrew Harris  8 catches  44 yards  41 yards after the catch
Lucky Whitehead  1 catch 23 yards  23 yards after the catch
44+23=67 total yards
41+23=64 yards after the catch
67-64=3 yards
8+1=9 catches
3 divided by 9=.33
.33 of 1 yard is equal to 1 foot, or 12 inches...

actually, it's not that ridiculous, it's math...

but thank you for automatically discounting my post and opinion...
Lol you think math or proof exists when you're automatically wrong because they don't like what you're saying?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 12, 2019, 07:38:59 PM
Andrew Harris  8 catches  44 yards  41 yards after the catch
Lucky Whitehead  1 catch 23 yards  23 yards after the catch
44+23=67 total yards
41+23=64 yards after the catch
67-64=3 yards
8+1=9 catches
3 divided by 9=.33
.33 of 1 yard is equal to 1 foot, or 12 inches...

actually, it's not that ridiculous, it's math...

but thank you for automatically discounting my post and opinion...

My bad.  Didn't realize you were only counting half.  I enjoyed the math.  That's a pretty surprising #.  Sorry about the confusion.

I'm now interested in the average for all competitions minus yac.  Not something we normally see as a stat.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
Lol you think math or proof exists when you're automatically wrong because they don't like what you're saying?

well, it is what it is and I've become use to it... one of the reasons why I can produce verifiable proof, or statistical data, of my stated position, or how I arrived at my position, when call upon to do so or as needed...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 07:42:13 PM
My bad.  Didn't realize you were only counting half.  I enjoyed the math.  That's a pretty surprising #.  Sorry about the confusion.

I'm now interested in the average for all competitions minus yac.  Not something we normally see as a stat.

no harm, no foul...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 07:45:23 PM
actually it's part of the extended analysis that I do after every Bomber game each week... I use a combination of the CFL published league stats for that week and the CFL Game Tracker for box score and play by play information for the current and past games...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on August 12, 2019, 07:46:27 PM
My bad.  Didn't realize you were only counting half.  I enjoyed the math.  That's a pretty surprising #.  Sorry about the confusion.

I'm now interested in the average for all competitions minus yac.  Not something we normally see as a stat.

Last game, our average was 4.67 air yards (yards - yac) per completion... 84 air yards on 18 completions. We actually only had 3 air yards on the shortest 12 (two-thirds!) of our pass attempts completions.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 07:50:06 PM
Last game, our average was 4.67 air yards (yards - yac) per completion... 84 air yards on 18 completions. We actually only had 3 air yards on the shortest 12 (two-thirds!) of our pass attempts.

I used the low hanging fruit, Harris' entire line and the shuffle pass that Whitey had for the long run... I had done the overall but didn't look at all of the catches individually, yet, lol..

thanks for the info though, interesting to say the least...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 12, 2019, 08:00:18 PM
actually it's part of the extended analysis that I do after every Bomber game each week... I use a combination of the CFL published league stats for that week and the CFL Game Tracker for box score and play by play information for the current and past games...

Impressive!
Last game, our average was 4.67 air yards (yards - yac) per completion... 84 air yards on 18 completions. We actually only had 3 air yards on the shortest 12 (two-thirds!) of our pass attempts.
Thanks


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on August 12, 2019, 08:03:26 PM
for clarification, I wrote pass attempts but meant pass completions in the last sentence


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 12, 2019, 08:05:50 PM
for clarification, I wrote pass attempts but meant pass completions in the last sentence

I didn't notice lol


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 12, 2019, 08:41:31 PM
As per the REDBLACKS:
Released:
National wide receiver Julian Feoli-Gudino (Laval)

I think he will end up in Calgary.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 12, 2019, 08:42:48 PM
JFG cut, eh?  Probably will get a sniff in MTL, they need Nat's / Recs


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 12, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
As we approach vet cut down day, we'll see a few more deletions across the league.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue newt on August 12, 2019, 09:16:02 PM
Last game, our average was 4.67 air yards (yards - yac) per completion... 84 air yards on 18 completions. We actually only had 3 air yards on the shortest 12 (two-thirds!) of our pass attempts completions.

I've got a question (genuinely curious here).  When they calculate the yardage of a throw, do they only look at forward yardage (Y axis yardage, not X axis)?  So, hypothetically, if a QB throws it 10 yards, but it's to the side and not downfield, does it count as 0 yards?  Second question, do they start counting the yards from where the QB is standing when he throws it, or from line of scrimmage?  (ie, if he's been pushed back from a collapsing pocket, and throws the ball from 20 yards back from scrimmage, and it's caught at the line of scrimmage, is that a 0 yard throw on the stats line?)

It's interesting to ponder...



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 09:30:06 PM
I've got a question (genuinely curious here).  When they calculate the yardage of a throw, do they only look at forward yardage (Y axis yardage, not X axis)?  So, hypothetically, if a QB throws it 10 yards, but it's to the side and not downfield, does it count as 0 yards?  Second question, do they start counting the yards from where the QB is standing when he throws it, or from line of scrimmage?  (ie, if he's been pushed back from a collapsing pocket, and throws the ball from 20 yards back from scrimmage, and it's caught at the line of scrimmage, is that a 0 yard throw on the stats line?)

It's interesting to ponder...



all passing yards are calculated from the original line of scrimmage to the point a receiver is tackled...
passes throw behind the line of scrimmage, screen passes and shuffle passes, are still calculated for yardage the same way...
yards after the catch are calculated from the point the ball is caught and possession has occurred to the point that the receiver is tackled...
only vertical yards are calculated, QBs and receivers are not credited for vertical yards throw or actual length of pass from the QB to the receiver...

and in your scenario, yes, that would be a pass for 0 yards and 0 yards after the catch if tackled at the line of scrimmage...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 12, 2019, 10:05:23 PM
JFG cut, eh?  Probably will get a sniff in MTL, they need Nat's / Recs
I think BC.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 12, 2019, 10:06:57 PM
I think BC.

it's not like BC couldn't use the help either...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2019, 01:36:43 AM
As per the REDBLACKS:
Released:
National wide receiver Julian Feoli-Gudino (Laval)

His perpetual rail-fail and especially that botched kick return did him in.  If you don't catch that kick in OTT, you are gone the next day!   ;D  I bet their returners are sweating bullets back there waiting for the ball knowing they'll be fired... maybe that's why they keep making mistakes.

And who on earth puts JFG back for field a punt?  That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard.  Dude is built for punishing hits, not speed or agility.  It's almost like OTT wanted an excuse to fire him, "hey you, go back there and fail field this kick even though you've never done it before".

Not sure where JFG ends up, but teams who are short on NAT WRs and understand how to use him could do worse than picking him up.  I would put JFG in the slot and have him take the punishing clutch catches across the middle with everyone hitting him at speed.  That is what JFG is best at.  I would never, ever, have him go deeper than 20 yards, as he'll whiff on the catch every single time.

.33 of 1 yard is equal to 1 foot, or 12 inches...
I've got a question (genuinely curious here).  When they calculate the yardage of a throw, do they only look at forward yardage (Y axis yardage, not X axis)?

You beat me to it.  Saying Harris' catches are only 1 foot catches in disingenuous.  Nichols is still throwing 5-15 yard passes, it's just they are mostly lateral axis, or dumps after Nichols drops way back, or screens, etc.  Saying "1 foot!" without qualifying it makes it sound like every "pass" is a fly sweep shuttle for 1 "air foot", which is just not true.

If teams are stupid enough to not have a good defender (or 2) spy Harris all night, then they deserve to see our '17 Harris dump shoved down their throats.  Harris gets 5+ on each dump, and we're sitting pretty, and the opponent suffers until they learn they have to spy Harris (and open up our SBs for some action!).  Most teams this year know to spy Harris, but for some reason CGY thought they could just leave him in space.  Dumb move.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 13, 2019, 01:42:59 AM
You beat me to it.  Saying Harris' catches are only 1 foot catches in disingenuous.  Nichols is still throwing 5-15 yard passes, it's just they are mostly lateral axis, or dumps after Nichols drops way back, or screens, etc.  Saying "1 foot!" without qualifying it makes it sound like every "pass" is a fly sweep shuttle for 1 "air foot", which is just not true.


you make a good point here


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 13, 2019, 03:27:48 AM
it's not like BC couldn't use the help either...
They also like their Canadian receivers


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2019, 03:34:33 AM
They also like their Canadian receivers

Good point.  Putting JFG in place of DC would be a huge upgrade: JFG would actually make some clutch catches and get yards.  And they need help with the ratio with their new 3 IMP OL.

Whatever happened to that Coats guy that was JFG's replacement here until he got injured?  He just seemed to disappear from the league.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 13, 2019, 05:49:11 AM

You beat me to it.  Saying Harris' catches are only 1 foot catches in disingenuous.  Nichols is still throwing 5-15 yard passes, it's just they are mostly lateral axis, or dumps after Nichols drops way back, or screens, etc.  Saying "1 foot!" without qualifying it makes it sound like every "pass" is a fly sweep shuttle for 1 "air foot", which is just not true.

If teams are stupid enough to not have a good defender (or 2) spy Harris all night, then they deserve to see our '17 Harris dump shoved down their throats.  Harris gets 5+ on each dump, and we're sitting pretty, and the opponent suffers until they learn they have to spy Harris (and open up our SBs for some action!).  Most teams this year know to spy Harris, but for some reason CGY thought they could just leave him in space.  Dumb move.


It's not disingenuous at all, it's the way that all passing stats are calculated and recorded for both receivers and quarterbacks.  It's no different than kick returns, return guys don't get credit for yards ran east and west on a return, only the north and south yards...

I assumed everyone knew how passing stats are kept by the league, it wasn't an attempt to mislead anyone. I assume it goes without saying that the ball actually goes further than 1 foot on a screen pass... I also assumed that everyone knew that only yards past the line of scrimmage counted for anything...

And, if you look at the box score you will normally see that Harris' catches are generally less productive than those caught by other receivers... It's not uncommon for his avg yd per catch to be shorter than those catches by other receivers.

And for that reason that's why the defense basically allows it to happen I defended. They are more than happy to keep the play in front of them and allow Harris to catch all the balls he wants to behind the line of scrimmage on 2nd and 7... They're betting they have a better chance of stopping him short than allowing a receiver to be open past the chains... Part of the reason we have the second most 2 and outs in the league.

Sure, Harris is a stud, but at times the Bombers would be better served getting the ball to someone else... The check down is always going to be there and there a reason for that...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 13, 2019, 06:19:21 AM
His perpetual rail-fail and especially that botched kick return did him in.  If you don't catch that kick in OTT, you are gone the next day!   ;D  I bet their returners are sweating bullets back there waiting for the ball knowing they'll be fired... maybe that's why they keep making mistakes.

And who on earth puts JFG back for field a punt?  That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard.  Dude is built for punishing hits, not speed or agility.  It's almost like OTT wanted an excuse to fire him, "hey you, go back there and fail field this kick even though you've never done it before".

Not sure where JFG ends up, but teams who are short on NAT WRs and understand how to use him could do worse than picking him up.  I would put JFG in the slot and have him take the punishing clutch catches across the middle with everyone hitting him at speed.  That is what JFG is best at.  I would never, ever, have him go deeper than 20 yards, as he'll whiff on the catch every single time.


Regarding JFG, he's made some great deep receptions during his career including in playoff games with the RB's, mostly because opponents tended to overlook him when he's mixed in with more dangerous receivers like Ellingson and Sinopoli. I agree he stood no chance on "go routes" with the Bombers, but they never should have used him in that way in the first place as they did not have adequate receiver talent in the years that he was here to stealth him.  In the right circumstance he's a tough inside clutch receiver and I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Bombers give him another shot as a Natl. backup, which I believe they still need after disposing of Simonese.  Like Jake, JFG is a blue-collar underdog and can't help but give the guy full respect for foraging a long CFL career on hard-work with minimal natural talent.

As for Campbell sending a message by scapegoating players who make mistakes in lost games, he's setting a dangerous precedent in the locker room, here's hoping it backfires on his ***.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2019, 06:35:12 AM
Regarding JFG, he's made some great deep receptions during his career including in playoff games with the RB's

I don't forget those.  But they were as I said, zone sitting and forgotten-man mid-range passes.  Never on the rail go-route (except once)  ;D :D  Sorry, I just have a thing about JFG and rails.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Bombers give him another shot as a Natl. backup, which I believe they still need after disposing of Simonese.  Like Jake, JFG is an blue-collar underdog and can't help but give the guy full respect for foraging a long CFL career on hard-work with minimal talent.

You're talking to JFG's old #1 fan club!  I contemplated getting a jersey with JFG on it when he was here.  The clutch catches he made for us, and only ever coughed up one (ONE!) fumble (to a massive Grymes hit), I just loved the guy.

But I don't think we ever grab him again because I'm still convinced it was likely him that screwed up that play the game before he was benched; that near end of game botched play where either JFG or 66's Washington didn't block right or get set right, and we lose that game.  Nichols was seething after, and called out "some players who don't know their assignments" (paraphrasing).  If that was JFG's fault, he's never coming back while Nichols, Lapo and MOS are here.  It's more likely it was JFG because LDW might be forgiven, as he was a rookie.  JFG had been here for years and should have known his responsibilities down pat.

I'm not even convinced JFG is still good enough (and young enough) to get snapped up by any team unless there's a rash of NAT WR injuries and there is no other choice.  Dunno.  Not sure either way.

As for Campbell sending a message by scapegoating players who make mistakes in lost games, he's setting a dangerous precedent in the locker room, here's hoping it backfires on his ***.

+100.  It is quite an odd thing for a usually-respected, non-rookie coach to do!  Sure, guys like Jones would do it, but Campbell's supposed to be a "nice guy".  I love how canned-Lankford gets 2 massive returns within 2 weeks of leaving OTT.  It'd be fun to see JFG get some huge yards somewhere else too.  I hope their remaining returners are so worried that they fumble every kick from now on.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 13, 2019, 08:59:02 AM
Odd management decision to let JFG go.
Odd,coaching choice to put him in as a punt returner.

Then again, Ottawa let their entire Grey Cup team go....!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on August 13, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
Super weird having JFG returning punts. Didn't watch a ton of the game, but saw that.

Lankford then JFG. It's all the returners fault you see...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TBURGESS on August 13, 2019, 01:43:46 PM
JFG isn't a great receiver and he never has been. No, he wouldn't be an upgrade over Carter.  He brings in about 200 yards a season in receptions. He's ranked 52 in the league in receiving yards this year. I'm surprised he's lasted this long and I'll be surprised if another team picks him up this year, although his passport has some value.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 13, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Ottawa Redblacks have signed returner Stefan Logan.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 13, 2019, 02:19:33 PM
Ottawa Redblacks have signed returner Stefan Logan.

Good old Federal Express is back in the league. Envelopes are now on route.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 13, 2019, 03:32:30 PM
JFG isn't a great receiver and he never has been. No, he wouldn't be an upgrade over Carter.  He brings in about 200 yards a season in receptions. He's ranked 52 in the league in receiving yards this year. I'm surprised he's lasted this long and I'll be surprised if another team picks him up this year, although his passport has some value.



I always thought he was good for a clutch 2nd down catch for a 1st down from time to time though... Most people weren't expecting the ball to go to him... I like the guy... Probably because of his blue collar type of play...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on August 13, 2019, 03:40:42 PM
Ottawa Redblacks have signed returner Stefan Logan.

He'll have to open a new numbered company to distribute cheques in Ottawa, league was on to the scam in MTL after all...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on August 13, 2019, 03:41:23 PM
Ottawa Redblacks have signed returner Stefan Logan.

And right after his 76th birthday! Congrats to him!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 13, 2019, 03:41:51 PM
JFG / go rail routes.  If a player fails at a route repeatedly, who is to blame if he fails at it again?

As to being a returner, most good nat WR's have returned in their day.  So, when your primary guy goes down, they can be the backup.  Sometimes its a DB backing up at Ret, sometimes its a WR.  And Nat WR have more experience at that, usually.  So I get why he was in there.  

I think he deserves another chance elsewhere, I suggested MTL because of proximity to home.  


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 13, 2019, 03:42:59 PM
He'll have to open a new numbered company to distribute cheques in Ottawa, league was on to the scam in MTL after all...

Have to wonder if he was under investigation in MTL, and if he was, would that affect him signing elsewhere now?  I guess if nothing was "proven"...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 13, 2019, 03:53:00 PM
JFG / go rail routes.  If a player fails at a route repeatedly, who is to blame if he fails at it again?

As to being a returner, most good nat WR's have returned in their day.  So, when your primary guy goes down, they can be the backup.  Sometimes its a DB backing up at Ret, sometimes its a WR.  And Nat WR have more experience at that, usually.  So I get why he was in there.  

I think he deserves another chance elsewhere, I suggested MTL because of proximity to home.  

I think this is the case, their primary returner was injured earlier so JFG subbed in late in the game, I believe he did the same in Wpg. a few times.  He isn't back there for his return ability but more for ball security reasons.  Next time they can use Sinopoli.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: The Zipp on August 13, 2019, 04:47:14 PM
Stamps sign a big DL

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/13/stampeders-sign-former-nfl-dl-anthony-johnson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://3downnation.com/2019/08/13/stampeders-sign-former-nfl-dl-anthony-johnson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on August 13, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
JFG / go rail routes.  If a player fails at a route repeatedly, who is to blame if he fails at it again?

As to being a returner, most good nat WR's have returned in their day.  So, when your primary guy goes down, they can be the backup.  Sometimes its a DB backing up at Ret, sometimes its a WR.  And Nat WR have more experience at that, usually.  So I get why he was in there.  

I think he deserves another chance elsewhere, I suggested MTL because of proximity to home.  

Agreed with you on the go routes... JFG is a slow, smart, sure-handed, tough receiver... his catches downfield had just been him finding an open spot in the zone. He'll never win on a go route.

JFG as a returner is basically a catch and fall down guy, we put him in once or twice too... he's there for ball security, not to make plays happen... makes sense as an injury replacement.

He's getting older now, I guess he's had a couple drops and if his hands aren't as good as they used to be, his value as a receiver is pretty much gone. But a few years ago the guy was a solid, reliable, tough player and maybe had the best hands on the team... maybe he gets another shot with a team that needs Canadian receivers.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 14, 2019, 04:15:16 AM
JFG isn't a great receiver and he never has been. No, he wouldn't be an upgrade over Carter.  He brings in about 200 yards a season in receptions. He's ranked 52 in the league in receiving yards this year.

Isn't DC on pace for only 200 yards this year too??  ;)  Not like that dude is balling in '19.

As for JFG #52: it would be more fair to use his stats from WPG years and OTT last year.  And I would concentrate on compl/attempt and YAC... minus the go routes!!

I think this is the case, their primary returner was injured earlier so JFG subbed in late in the game, I believe he did the same in Wpg. a few times.  He isn't back there for his return ability but more for ball security reasons.

Ball security... how'd that work out for them?  :D

I'll believe you guys that we had him return sometimes, because I sure don't remember that.  There were some years we were desperate for returners though.

He's getting older now, I guess he's had a couple drops and if his hands aren't as good as they used to be, his value as a receiver is pretty much gone. But a few years ago the guy was a solid, reliable, tough player and maybe had the best hands on the team... maybe he gets another shot with a team that needs Canadian receivers.

Maybe!  He has lost a step the last couple of games.  But in some games he seems to pop up late and get a string of clutch receptions when no one else is open.  We have to remember that he wasn't exactly in the best environment conducive to getting yards in OTT this year.

Ottawa Redblacks have signed returner Stefan Logan.

Woohoo!  Good for Logan.  Love watching the Septuagenarian.  He'll break one out... If that fails, he can bop the cover team guys with his cane!  (Joking aside, I really do like watching him.)

And right after his 76th birthday! Congrats to him!

Nasty!  Love it!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 15, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
INJURY UPDATE: The Hamilton Tiger-Cats will be without DL Jamaal Westerman for the remainder of the season.

Torn tricep muscle.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/15/canadian-dl-jamaal-westerman-out-for-the-season/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 15, 2019, 03:33:09 PM
INJURY UPDATE: The Hamilton Tiger-Cats will be without DL Jamaal Westerman for the remainder of the season.

Torn tricep muscle.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/15/canadian-dl-jamaal-westerman-out-for-the-season/


I don't think he's played a snap in 2019 yet so it's possibly the end of the road for him. He'd be 35 next season.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 15, 2019, 03:34:03 PM
INJURY UPDATE: The Hamilton Tiger-Cats will be without DL Jamaal Westerman for the remainder of the season.

Torn tricep muscle.

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/15/canadian-dl-jamaal-westerman-out-for-the-season/


That was kinda old news.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 15, 2019, 03:57:36 PM
Guess I can pull out game issued royal blue retro signed Westerman jersey again! It is a sweet one.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 15, 2019, 04:05:23 PM
Guess I can pull out game issued royal blue retro signed Westerman jersey again! It is a sweet one.

Only Goldmember can rock that jersey!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on August 15, 2019, 04:13:56 PM
Another good disciplined move from Walters. A fair bit of fan pushback on the forum regarding our CDN depth when he left, and that we didn't pony up as much as the Als.

Weterman was amazing when we had him, and has been totally derailed by injuries since he left.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 15, 2019, 04:23:56 PM
Bad news for Westerman. That sounds like the injury he suffered in Winnipeg in his last season. Probably the end of the road for him in the CFL.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 15, 2019, 06:18:59 PM
From herb z:

I've been told Canadian LB and special teams member D.J. Lalama, a former #AlsMTL player just released by Winnipeg, will be returning to Montreal.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 16, 2019, 06:26:40 AM
Another good disciplined move from Walters. A fair bit of fan pushback on the forum regarding our CDN depth when he left, and that we didn't pony up as much as the Als.

Weterman was amazing when we had him, and has been totally derailed by injuries since he left.

Spot on on everything.  Partially luck, partially never willing to go above his whisper price, partially foresight.  Walters won on Westerman, in direct contrast to Buono who lost on A.Harris.

Hate to hear this new bad news for Westerman, but I don't think I've heard his name regarding an on-field play more than once since he left WPG!!  That was, what, 4 years ago?  The teams who picked him up after he left here got royally screwed over by the football gods.

I did always like the guy, though, and he never caused a stir or fuss like Henoc did, so I wish JM all the best.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 16, 2019, 01:58:56 PM
Another good disciplined move from Walters. A fair bit of fan pushback on the forum regarding our CDN depth when he left, and that we didn't pony up as much as the Als.

Weterman was amazing when we had him, and has been totally derailed by injuries since he left.
Westerman got 218k from Montreal and we offered 190 according to 3DN. A 28 grand difference isn't much


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Norm W on August 16, 2019, 02:03:43 PM
Westerman got 218k from Montreal and we offered 190 according to 3DN. A 28 grand difference isn't much

What to you do for a living? 28K is nothing to sneeze at, it buys a lot of diapers and baby shoes.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 16, 2019, 02:24:52 PM
What to you do for a living? 28K is nothing to sneeze at, it buys a lot of diapers and baby shoes.
True. I'm moreso speaking in a cap comparison


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 16, 2019, 02:55:25 PM
Spot on on everything.  Partially luck, partially never willing to go above his whisper price, partially foresight.  Walters won on Westerman, in direct contrast to Buono who lost on A.Harris.

Hate to hear this new bad news for Westerman, but I don't think I've heard his name regarding an on-field play more than once since he left WPG!!  That was, what, 4 years ago?  The teams who picked him up after he left here got royally screwed over by the football gods.

I did always like the guy, though, and he never caused a stir or fuss like Henoc did, so I wish JM all the best.


Westermann has only been gone 2 years, he played for the Bombers in 2017 and got traded by the Als. to Hamilton on July 22/18 as part of the Manziel trade.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 16, 2019, 03:22:07 PM
Argos shopping star RB James Wilder Jr. | 3DownNation
https://3downnation.com


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 03:24:24 PM
Argos shopping star RB James Wilder Jr. | 3DownNation
https://3downnation.com

could see the stamps taking a run at him...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 16, 2019, 03:44:52 PM
I wouldn't touch wilder...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 16, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
Wilder?
Him and Carter can play tag together.  His heart is as big as a lentil!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Jesse on August 16, 2019, 08:30:10 PM
I wouldn't touch wilder...

No team is dumb enough to give up anything for him.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
When TSN announces someone is being shopped, you can bet every team already knows, and no one has interest... now a fan base can get on board and create a demand, but I don't see Huff biting...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 08:43:21 PM
When TSN announces someone is being shopped, you can bet every team already knows, and no one has interest... now a fan base can get on board and create a demand, but I don't see Huff biting...
0% chance Huff does a move like that. Completely not his way of doing things.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on August 16, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
No team is dumb enough to give up anything for him.
I agree. He's done nothing since his half good season after which he wanted more money.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on August 17, 2019, 05:53:50 AM
Argos shopping star RB James Wilder Jr. | 3DownNation
https://3downnation.com
Bahahahaha!!! Good luck with that one!! From stud to dud with a bullet!!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2019, 03:07:30 AM
When TSN announces someone is being shopped, you can bet every team already knows, and no one has interest... now a fan base can get on board and create a demand, but I don't see Huff biting...

Huff would bite in a second if JWJ would take ELC level money!  But Huff never overpays, so no chance given JWJ's "I am God" $$ expectations.

Can you imagine what JWJ would achieve in CGY's system, behind CGY's OL, this year?  I shudder to think.  Good thing it'll never happen.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 20, 2019, 05:02:52 PM
The B.C. Lions signed defensive lineman Jonathan Newsome.

Newsome was released by the Ottawa Redblacks on July 28.

The four-year veteran started his CFL career in Saskatchewan where he recorded 34 tackles and two sacks in 19 games.

He as cut by the Riders midway through the 2017 season, Newsome quickly joined Ottawa where he spent the past two years.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 20, 2019, 06:10:43 PM
I hate it when people high five their GM for not re-signing someone after they get injured on their new team like it was a stroke of genius or something. Not re-signing Westerman worked in our favor and that's great. Glad it did. However, at the end of the day this non-signing should not be hailed as a smart move by Walters. It should be labelled as a fortuitous move because that is how it turned out. There is no GM that makes decisions based on injuries that have not happened yet unless there is a significant injury history to consider.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_or_die on August 20, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
I hate it when people high five their GM for not re-signing someone after they get injured on their new team like it was a stroke of genius or something. Not re-signing Westerman worked in our favor and that's great. Glad it did. However, at the end of the day this non-signing should not be hailed as a smart move by Walters. It should be labelled as a fortuitous move because that is how it turned out. There is no GM that makes decisions based on injuries that have not happened yet unless there is a significant injury history to consider.

Yes and no. If Westerman has become a non factor because he was injured and that injury made it so he was never the same, then I agree with you. But if his injury coincided with him also getting over the hill and simply not able to bounce back like a young and/or more athletic player would, then some credit can be given for foresight to that situation. Hard to say if there was any 'genius' involved in the decision to move on from him, or just luck that we didn't end up having to deal with the fallout. Since these things are extremely difficult to predict, I'd say it's more likely the latter, though.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Wanna-b-fanboy on August 20, 2019, 08:14:35 PM
Not re-signing Westerman worked in our favor and that's great. Glad it did. However, at the end of the day this non-signing should not be hailed as a smart move by Walters.

IIRC, Westerman took less money to go to the Als to play with his brother and be closer to his family... I don't think Walters could have given him any more money.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: booch on August 20, 2019, 08:17:32 PM
FALSE..He took around 35k more to bolt out east


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2019, 08:58:09 PM
FALSE..He took around 35k more to bolt out east
haha

That money grubbing......guy!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 1chad on August 21, 2019, 11:53:00 AM
Hate to see potentially career ending injuries for any player.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 21, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
I hate it when people high five their GM for not re-signing someone after they get injured on their new team like it was a stroke of genius or something. Not re-signing Westerman worked in our favor and that's great. Glad it did. However, at the end of the day this non-signing should not be hailed as a smart move by Walters. It should be labelled as a fortuitous move because that is how it turned out. There is no GM that makes decisions based on injuries that have not happened yet unless there is a significant injury history to consider.

Pretty sure Westerman's injuries this year are re-injuries, no?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on August 21, 2019, 12:15:29 PM
Yes and no. If Westerman has become a non factor because he was injured and that injury made it so he was never the same, then I agree with you. But if his injury coincided with him also getting over the hill and simply not able to bounce back like a young and/or more athletic player would, then some credit can be given for foresight to that situation. Hard to say if there was any 'genius' involved in the decision to move on from him, or just luck that we didn't end up having to deal with the fallout. Since these things are extremely difficult to predict, I'd say it's more likely the latter, though.

Well said. GM'ing is more of an art than a science. I applauded the move above and stick by my comments. Westermann wanted to be paid extremely high, and hasn't produced to that level. The injury simply provides a moment in time we are discussing him, so I bring it up.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 21, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
Westermen was good when he was a Bomber. A starting Canadian that was very effective. What he got paid was far to much, and on top of that he took way to many penalties. Now his body is breaking down at 34. Another one up for MR. Walters.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 21, 2019, 02:34:42 PM
He had an odd career here.  He was great the first year.  Then took way too many penalties the next.  His over estimation of his value was misguided.  We got better players for less money, who don't take penalties. Happy retirement! Get healthy!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 21, 2019, 02:40:06 PM
Pretty sure Westerman's injuries this year are re-injuries, no?

Nope


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 21, 2019, 02:41:43 PM
Yes and no. If Westerman has become a non factor because he was injured and that injury made it so he was never the same, then I agree with you. But if his injury coincided with him also getting over the hill and simply not able to bounce back like a young and/or more athletic player would, then some credit can be given for foresight to that situation. Hard to say if there was any 'genius' involved in the decision to move on from him, or just luck that we didn't end up having to deal with the fallout. Since these things are extremely difficult to predict, I'd say it's more likely the latter, though.

At the time of his injury last year, Westerman was among the league leaders in sacks and QB pressures. Also, we offered him 190k to re-sign. It's not like Walters walked away from him. Had Montreal not gone loco Westerman would be a Bomber and one of our highest paid. Walters can thank Kavis for blowing his brains out on Westerman because if he doesn't we are criticizing Walters right now.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on August 21, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
At the time of his injury last year, Westerman was among the league leaders in sacks and QB pressures. Also, we offered him 190k to re-sign. It's not like Walters walked away from him. Had Montreal not gone loco Westerman would be a Bomber and one of our highest paid. Walters can thank Kavis for blowing his brains out on Westerman because if he doesn't we are criticizing Walters right now.

That's not true. At the time he was traded from Montreal to Hamilton, that may have been true. At the time of his injury, he had 3 sacks in 13 games.

190k to 225k is a pretty significant difference. It makes sense to not get caught up in a bidding war for a 34 year old, in any case.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 21, 2019, 03:40:58 PM
I agree, getting caught up in a bidding war, never good. I believe he was closer to 32 at that time.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 21, 2019, 04:10:09 PM
I agree, getting caught up in a bidding war, never good. I believe he was closer to 32 at that time.

I also agree that getting into a bidding war with Kavis would be pointless. We put an outstanding offer on the table.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: rubanski on August 21, 2019, 04:31:25 PM
I also agree that getting into a bidding war with Kavis would be pointless. We put an outstanding offer on the table.

Aside from Kavis putting more on the table, we have to also wonder how much he payed him UNDER the table.

 :-\ :-\


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 21, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Aside from Kavis putting more on the table, we have to also wonder how much he payed him UNDER the table.

 :-\ :-\


Anyone else suspect the CFL blackballed Kavis into silence by making all of those allegations of wrong-doing public?  Sure haven't heard much from him since he was fired.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on August 21, 2019, 06:28:14 PM

Anyone else suspect the CFL blackballed Kavis into silence by making all of those allegations of wrong-doing public?  Sure haven't heard much from him since he was fired.

As they should. Send a very strong message to the guy you actually caught. Makes the others that you haven't caught (cough cough Hufnagel cough cough) think a lot harder about it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 21, 2019, 06:37:09 PM
Taylor Loffler has suffered a torn ACL in his left knee, ending his season.

The 27-year-old safety signed with Montreal as a free agent this off-season and recorded 27 tackles, one interception, and one forced fumble in six games.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on August 21, 2019, 06:38:59 PM
Taylor Loffler has suffered a torn ACL in his left knee, ending his season.

The 27-year-old safety signed with Montreal as a free agent this off-season and recorded 27 tackles, one interception, and one forced fumble in six games.

Tough break for him. He turned out to be fairly healthy player thus far in his carreer considering his past


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 21, 2019, 06:53:42 PM
Tough break, really like Taylor.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 21, 2019, 07:01:18 PM
Love Loffler and his game, hated the level of oad management we needed to do to keep him healthy.  Looks like MTL ignored that and have ruined him.  Too bad, really.  Had he stayed here, he might have stayed healthy.  At least he gets paid, including off season monies because he's injured, and ACL will take up to 9 months to heal, so into next season...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on August 21, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
Taylor Loffler has suffered a torn ACL in his left knee, ending his season.

The 27-year-old safety signed with Montreal as a free agent this off-season and recorded 27 tackles, one interception, and one forced fumble in six games.
Too bad for him. This could be career ending.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 21, 2019, 08:22:50 PM
Too bad for him. This could be career ending.

Unfortunate but I guess his luck ran out. Really enjoyed watching him play and his time in Winnipeg.

Tough blow for the Als as well. Seems as though Lokombo is moving to safety. I would have though Ackie a better choice with Lokombo moving to WIL.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Too bad for him. This could be career ending.
why career ending? Guys come back at his age. I know Leggett had the same thing but he was older.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on August 21, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
why career ending? Guys come back at his age. I know Leggett had the same thing but he was older.

at Boise State from 2011 to 2014, Loffler played only 8 games (all in 2013), partly due to ACL tears in 2010 and 2012... he almost quit football after 2014... with his injury history and this being the third ACL tear he may start considering it again


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue girl on August 21, 2019, 08:57:36 PM
at Boise State from 2011 to 2014, Loffler played only 8 games (all in 2013), partly due to ACL tears in 2010 and 2012... he almost quit football after 2014... with his injury history and this being the third ACL tear he may start considering it again
Exactly. The body can only take so much.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 21, 2019, 10:11:19 PM
How many times can you repair an ACL?  Does rehab get longer after each operation? 

Never realized that he played Aussie Rules, he had spent time in Australia as a high schooler... https://www.sportsmanagementworldwide.com/content/taylor-loffler-unexpected-all-star


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 22, 2019, 05:57:56 AM
Lofler was an outstanding player. That probably does it for him.  Time to move on to something less painful hope it heals nicely!,


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 22, 2019, 06:55:39 AM
Lofler was an outstanding player. That probably does it for him.  Time to move on to something less painful hope it heals nicely!,

Nah... Loffler will be back.  Literally what else is he going to do?  He's still young.  Heck, maybe once he comes back after MTL drops him he might want to get back with WPG (cheap!) since we permit his cushy no-practice gig!

I do wish all the best to Loffler, as he was a stout player here that helped win us a bunch of games.  I'm perfectly happy with Hecht now though!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 22, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
Yes, Jeff is having a career year. 16 tackles, 1 sask, 2 int's.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bowlerdude on August 22, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
Nah... Loffler will be back.  Literally what else is he going to do?  He's still young.  Heck, maybe once he comes back after MTL drops him he might want to get back with WPG (cheap!) since we permit his cushy no-practice gig!

I do wish all the best to Loffler, as he was a stout player here that helped win us a bunch of games.  I'm perfectly happy with Hecht now though!

literally what else? considering he said prior to his draft year that he almost quit in 2014 because of his injuries and him getting a business degree from Boise State... something along those lines


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: theaardvark on August 22, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
Nah... Loffler will be back.  Literally what else is he going to do?  He's still young.  Heck, maybe once he comes back after MTL drops him he might want to get back with WPG (cheap!) since we permit his cushy no-practice gig!

I do wish all the best to Loffler, as he was a stout player here that helped win us a bunch of games.  I'm perfectly happy with Hecht now though!

Boy, CFL or nothing?  Pretty sure most CFL players have exit strategies for their playing careers.  Pretty denigrating remark, really.   


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on August 22, 2019, 03:12:06 PM
Boy, CFL or nothing?  Pretty sure most CFL players have exit strategies for their playing careers.  Pretty denigrating remark, really.   
Didn't you say something along the lines of "it's either this or flipping burgers" when TJ Thorpe requested his release? I cant remember your exact wording but you've implied in the past that its CFL or minimum wage entry jobs.

Quite hypocritical, I do say


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 22, 2019, 03:57:59 PM
Taylor will be fine if he decides to ends his football career tomorrow. He has a degree and he is a pretty smart young man.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 23, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
That's good.  What's his degree in?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
Business.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 23, 2019, 05:08:49 PM
That's a good one I guess.  Hopefully he has his mind set on something.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 23, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
Didn't you say something along the lines of "it's either this or flipping burgers" when TJ Thorpe requested his release? I cant remember your exact wording but you've implied in the past that its CFL or minimum wage entry jobs.

Quite hypocritical, I do say

The difference is Thorpe disrespected the WFC, so in Aardsy's mind it's fair game to crap on him. ::)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2019, 08:23:21 PM
I think that most of the Canadian players do very well for themselves once the football careers are over. Many of these players know their football careers could be short, and they invest their money and work on their careers in the off season.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 25, 2019, 09:00:23 PM
Looks like the curtains have fallen in Vancouver and Toronto seasons. We're past the vet cut down dates so they can't trim older expensive players. NFL cuts are coming but SMS room may be needed which they don't have.

I suppose some teams might be interested in a short term rental of a couple of roster players due to injury.

I'd expect both those teams to be making moves. What that might look like I don't know but standing pat shouldn't be in the cards for either.

Ottawa might be in a similar boat and needing to make some changes. Als are moving past them in the standing. Another west crossover is probable to it's a now or never situation in the east.

Nothing the Lions do will help them in 2019 aside from possibly building hope for 2020.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BBRT on August 25, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
Looks like the curtains have fallen in Vancouver and Toronto seasons. We're past the vet cut down dates so they can't trim older expensive players. NFL cuts are coming but SMS room may be needed which they don't have.

I suppose some teams might be interested in a short term rental of a couple of roster players due to injury.

I'd expect both those teams to be making moves. What that might look like I don't know but standing pat shouldn't be in the cards for either.

Ottawa might be in a similar boat and needing to make some changes. Als are moving past them in the standing. Another west crossover is probable to it's a now or never situation in the east.

Nothing the Lions do will help them in 2019 aside from possibly building hope for 2020.



Can't help but agree - I think the Lions biggest problem was the dollars they put out for Reilly. No dollars left to build the rest of the team to any extent. That and bringing in Claybrooks as their HC might be the number two issue. I don't think he was ready for a HC position. And some of his calls this year have been very questionable to say the least.

As for Toronto the lack of a quality QB has really hurt them. There is plenty of talent there but not sure Chamblin is the best choice as a HC but I would give him some time as he did have success in Saskatchewan.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Slimy Sculpin on August 25, 2019, 09:18:48 PM
That's a good one I guess.  Hopefully he has his mind set on something.

You guess? You certainly can be obtuse at times. By the way what's your degree in?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 25, 2019, 09:50:26 PM
Can't help but agree - I think the Lions biggest problem was the dollars they put out for Reilly. No dollars left to build the rest of the team to any extent. That and bringing in Claybrooks as their HC might be the number two issue. I don't think he was ready for a HC position. And some of his calls this year have been very questionable to say the least.

As for Toronto the lack of a quality QB has really hurt them. There is plenty of talent there but not sure Chamblin is the best choice as a HC but I would give him some time as he did have success in Saskatchewan.

There didn't seem to be a lot of choices for HC. O'Shea didn't look very good for a few years either.

Besides, with that roster we expected them not to be a very good team even before TC.

Can't blame that problem on the HC. Hervey is responsible for that.

I'm not a fan of the Argo QB's but MBT threw for 464 yards today and a 76.6% completion. Won TOP with 32:49.

As in Vancouver, there are several problems on their roster. Derel Walker made a nice reception for a TD but was their 5th leading receiver today. Not good for the highest paid receiver in the CFL.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on August 26, 2019, 12:29:11 AM
Looks like the curtains have fallen in Vancouver and Toronto seasons. We're past the vet cut down dates so they can't trim older expensive players. NFL cuts are coming but SMS room may be needed which they don't have.

I suppose some teams might be interested in a short term rental of a couple of roster players due to injury.

I'd expect both those teams to be making moves. What that might look like I don't know but standing pat shouldn't be in the cards for either.

Ottawa might be in a similar boat and needing to make some changes. Als are moving past them in the standing. Another west crossover is probable to it's a now or never situation in the east.

Nothing the Lions do will help them in 2019 aside from possibly building hope for 2020.


I thought vet cut down date was right after Labour Day?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2019, 01:03:29 AM
Yeah and Thompson is the most likely to be. Cut.  Of course it should be. Either of those other two has beens.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 26, 2019, 02:20:33 PM
I thought vet cut down date was right after Labour Day?

Seasons have been starting earlier and most teams have played 10 games. I know over on the Lionbackers site they mentioned it's too late for them in that regard.

Also the date is sooner for the longer term vets and shorter a bit for 3 year players etc.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: the paw on August 26, 2019, 02:34:28 PM
Seasons have been starting earlier and most teams have played 10 games. I know over on the Lionbackers site they mentioned it's too late for them in that regard.

Also the date is sooner for the longer term vets and shorter a bit for 3 year players etc.

Date for 6 year veterans is after 9 games, 5 year veterans is 10 games, 4 year veterans 11 games, unless that changed in the new CBA. 

So there is still time for teams to do some cost cutting, depending on the target.  Another thought, the CBA states that a veteran cut after those dates is entitled to compensation equivalent to the balance of his contract, but it doesn't specifically state that such a payment goes against salary cap.  It probably does, but I don't see language to that effect in the clause. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 26, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
Date for 6 year veterans is after 9 games, 5 year veterans is 10 games, 4 year veterans 11 games, unless that changed in the new CBA. 

So there is still time for teams to do some cost cutting, depending on the target.  Another thought, the CBA states that a veteran cut after those dates is entitled to compensation equivalent to the balance of his contract, but it doesn't specifically state that such a payment goes against salary cap.  It probably does, but I don't see language to that effect in the clause. 

Toronto, Montreal, Calgary and Regina haven't played game 10 yet. BC has played 10 games and they have a bunch of older 5 year CFL vets. There might be some 4 year players but I'm not sure those will be the ones they want to get rid of or are making the bigger money deals.

Could be a few players getting released this week but I'm not expecting any big names or surprises around the league.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
Carter, Odell.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: The Zipp on August 26, 2019, 05:26:41 PM
Carter, Odell.

Carter has been invisible- would be surprised if he isn't released. 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 26, 2019, 05:39:09 PM
Carter has been invisible- would be surprised if he isn't released. 

He's in his 7 CFL season and past the 10 game rule. They can cut him but have to pay him at this point.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2019, 08:18:56 PM
I actually feel sorry for Reilly.  They should just hand off the ball and try and let him see October.  He's not going to get up after one of those hits.

I mean please get some offensive tackles who care and compete. I thought after one sack Reilly was going to get up and rifle the ball at one of his linemen.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 26, 2019, 08:45:43 PM
Carter, Odell.

Two weeks ago that's what they should have done.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 1chad on August 26, 2019, 10:26:28 PM
Two weeks ago that's what they should have done.
Agreed.  Too late now, but they still have to  get an OLine that can protect Reilly


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 26, 2019, 10:47:15 PM
Reilly has been missing open receivers. Last game he had a receiver open deep , he threw a 10 yard out. He has a receiver on a short pass he passes to a receiver deep that's in double coverage. O-line can only hold the line  so long. Theyre paying one of their o-line around 250 k, and the others were on the team last yr. Reilly is the only change. They had a better offense last year. Reilly never uses a screen or a run. He passes every down. Some quarterbacks are predictable and his coach is not very good.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 27, 2019, 05:48:46 AM
Carter has been invisible- would be surprised if he isn't released. 

maybe they should put at running back... at least that way you may get some production out of him...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 27, 2019, 10:53:57 AM
Agreed.  Too late now, but they still have to  get an OLine that can protect Reilly

You mean BC is stuck with DC for the rest of 2019??  Hervey and Clay must be dumber than I thought.

Or maybe they are too prideful to admit their mistake... in for a penny, in for a pound.

Oh well, while I have sympathy for MR, I have none for the clowns running that gong show.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on August 27, 2019, 11:14:33 AM
Yup me. Too.
Hervey should have never been awarded a Managerial job in the first place.
Claybrooks is really an assistant coach .  And the there is the hat thing. .

Plus they have a lame duck owner. That franchise is in trouble.  At this point Reilly has to be saying, dang! This was a mistake.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 27, 2019, 03:47:40 PM
LOL. At least one Lions fan is suggesting cutting Reilly to free up some SMS money. Apparently he doesn't know they'd still have to pay Reilly the balance of his salary.

Free up the money? For who.

Fans are not very happy in Vancouver but that's just an insane idea.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on August 27, 2019, 04:27:31 PM
LOL. At least one Lions fan is suggesting cutting Reilly to free up some SMS money. Apparently he doesn't know they'd still have to pay Reilly the balance of his salary.

Free up the money? For who.

Fans are not very happy in Vancouver but that's just an insane idea.

That's 25% of the Lions fan base, they'd do well to listen...?... ::)

They'll play him out until he gets hurt (he's on track for 70 sacks this season, at the very least there's a cumulative affect there), or at least until they are completely mathematically eliminated from the playoffs (their next five games are against East opponents, so if they ran the table on that they could theoretically catch Calgary as the Stamps have Edm X 2, Ham, Toronto, Mtl in the same time frame, unlikely they lose all, but they could lose three and make it close), and then they'll ride the season with O'Brien or some other prospect and see if there's anything there.  Or they trade for one of Toronto's QBs just to test the water for next year.


Whether or not they keep Reilly next season will be interesting.  Without fixing their Oline problems, it's hard to pay 700K just to watch a guy get killed, and to fix those problems they will need cap space and dollars.  If you're losing with James Franklin or Mike Reilly, does it really make a difference.


Of course, if Reilly did get cut in the off season (I can't see anyone trading for that contract value, though you never know), it certainly would make for a very interesting scenario.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on August 27, 2019, 04:42:43 PM
Reilly to Winnipeg for 2nd round pick and BC picks up half of his remaining salary. LOL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on August 27, 2019, 04:54:40 PM
Reilly to Winnipeg for 2nd round pick and BC picks up half of his remaining salary. LOL

If trading for Reilly tomorrow was an option for 8 games of salary and all the upfront money already paid by BC, it would definitely be worth a look.  And that's not a knock against Matt or Chris.  This is the best team we've fielded in a long time, and if you could inject THE premiere player at the QB position for the playoff run, you'd be insane not to consider it.  But I don't think it's really there for consideration, as Reilly being traded inside of the first season means Hervey's out of a job, though I guess sitting on his couch collecting a paycheque is not the worst thing.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on August 27, 2019, 05:17:51 PM
Reilly to Winnipeg for 2nd round pick and BC picks up half of his remaining salary. LOL

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. It's only fantasy but for the balance of 2019 it would work for the Bombers. I'm not sure how Reilly would take it since he wanted to be in BC. Money aside he may be having 2nd, 3rd or 4th thoughts.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on September 16, 2019, 04:39:21 PM
The Edmonton Eskimos have added the following player in accordance with the CFL?s practice roster expansion period:

National defensive lineman Stefan Charles

Last week they signed Betts.......real strong CDN talent on the D-Line.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: kkc60 on September 16, 2019, 05:23:36 PM
The Edmonton Eskimos have added the following player in accordance with the CFL?s practice roster expansion period:

National defensive lineman Stefan Charles

Last week they signed Betts.......real strong CDN talent on the D-Line.
Yeah no the rich get richer


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on September 30, 2019, 05:22:40 PM
Calgary Stampeders have signed former Bombers RB Timothy Flanders to their practice roster.

Getting ready for the play-offs by having some experienced CFL players around in case of injury.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on September 30, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
Ned is back in the CFL. Well at least he will have the right color hair to match his uniform.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: DM83 on October 01, 2019, 01:04:49 AM
BC should dump Reilly.  That marriage. Just hasn't worked.
Maybe next yr.m they are in a three game win streak after all....better than the bombers! Lol!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: pjrocksmb on October 01, 2019, 01:15:31 AM
Calgary Stampeders have signed former Bombers RB Timothy Flanders to their practice roster.

Getting ready for the play-offs by having some experienced CFL players around in case of injury.
Hope he makes an impact, great player.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on October 01, 2019, 02:06:28 PM
Hope he makes an impact, great player.

I hope he doesn't since he's playing against us in 2 of our last 4 games and possibly a playoff game.

The last thing we need is another ex Bomber like ( Matthews ) did scoring 2 TD's against us.

I like Flanders. I wish him a career game against Regina in 2 weeks then a stint on the 1 game IR.



Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Pigskin on October 01, 2019, 02:42:27 PM
I am not worried about Ned, no RB has ran on us this year.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on October 01, 2019, 02:51:35 PM
I am not worried about Ned, no RB has ran on us this year.

that's because they're having to much success passing on us they don't bother to run the ball...  ;)


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on October 01, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
LB Marcus Ball is on a plane heading to Calgary after signing with the Stamps.

This is not a practice squad deal.

Calgary loading up for the play-offs.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on October 01, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
LB Marcus Ball is on a plane heading to Calgary after signing with the Stamps.

This is not a practice squad deal.

Calgary loading up for the play-offs.

Meh...Ball is average at best.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on October 01, 2019, 06:08:56 PM
Yeah no the rich get richer

If they want to burn a ton of cap on a positional group that was the least of their worries, I say go for it.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on October 01, 2019, 06:11:08 PM
LB Marcus Ball is on a plane heading to Calgary after signing with the Stamps.

This is not a practice squad deal.

Calgary loading up for the play-offs.

They have a bunch of injuries. 18 in total at the moment. You can still only field 12 players at a time.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: GCn19 on October 01, 2019, 06:13:16 PM
They have a bunch of injuries. 18 in total at the moment. You can still only field 12 players at a time.

The Ball signing is a good temp and depth move at best.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on October 02, 2019, 12:54:52 PM
we could use a guy like LB Jameer Thurman and WR Marken Mitchel


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on October 02, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
we could use a guy like LB Jameer Thurman and WR Marken Mitchel

Thurman was a LB I wanted when NFL made their roster cuts. Did he get picked up on an NFL PR?

Mitchel is excellent but he'd probably be wasted in Winnipeg at the moment.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on October 02, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Mitchel is excellent but he'd probably be wasted in Winnipeg at the moment.

Given that we won't have a single receiver over 1000 yards this season, adding another receiver seems like wasted effort.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on October 02, 2019, 03:11:44 PM
Thurman was a LB I wanted when NFL made their roster cuts. Did he get picked up on an NFL PR?

Mitchel is excellent but he'd probably be wasted in Winnipeg at the moment.

Both are free-agent at the moment.

Lapo like speedy guys and Mitchel definitely fit the bill... and he's an upgrade to Whitehead.
Agree Lapo has wasted talents on our receiving corps.
 


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on October 02, 2019, 03:19:11 PM
Both are free-agent at the moment.

Lapo like speedy guys and Mitchel definitely fit the bill... and he's an upgrade to Whitehead.
Agree Lapo has wasted talents on our receiving corps.
 

he may like them but he doesn't seem to know what to do with them...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: M.O.A.B. on October 02, 2019, 03:25:38 PM
he may like them but he doesn't seem to know what to do with them...

he's blinded by his preference to run the ball more using Harris and Streveller and gadget-plays using Demski and Whitehead.
Adams and Wolitarsky are the forgotten pieces on this O, especially Woli.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on October 02, 2019, 03:29:27 PM
if I were the OC, instead of giving Lucky the 'jet sweep screen', he'd be given a healthy does of the 'in out fade' (both ways) followed by the more traditional 'post' or 'corner' routes... the 'in out fade' allows Lucky to give the defender 2 cuts and would create nice separation for a guy with Lucky's speed...

Lucky isn't a big, physical presence... with that 'jet sweep screen' thing that Lapo has him do you're relying on him to be about to juke multiple defenders in order to make decent yardage in most cases... it's hard for him to get to the edge as we've ran it so many times the defense is looking for it when they see him going in motion...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: 66 Chevelle on October 02, 2019, 03:29:56 PM
he's blinded by his preference to run the ball more using Harris and Streveller and gadget-plays uing Demski and Whitehead.
Adams and Wolitarsky are the forgotten pieces on this O, especially Woli.

AMEN brother, preach!  lol...


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on November 25, 2019, 09:43:50 PM
James Wilder released by the Argos.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: BlueInCgy on November 26, 2019, 11:06:24 AM
Stamps release Dexter McCoil.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: VictorRomano on November 26, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
James Wilder released by the Argos.

And already replaced:

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/11/25/argos-sign-former-bills-rb-karlos-williams/


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on November 27, 2019, 08:39:30 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed international defensive back Loucheiz Purifoy to a two-year contract extension, keeping him with the club through 2021.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on November 27, 2019, 08:40:10 PM
B.C. Lions re-signed running back John White for the 2020 season.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: dd on November 27, 2019, 10:49:47 PM
James Wilder released by the Argos.
not surprised, he went from stud to dud in a heartbeat!!


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on November 28, 2019, 03:40:37 PM
XFL has denied permission for the Eskimos to speak to Jamie Elizondo about their head coaching vacancy.





Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Ridermania on November 28, 2019, 06:06:53 PM
Calgary Stampeders punter Rob Maver has retired.

One of the longest serving players in Calgary is hanging up his cleats.

Drafted fifth overall as a field goal kicker in the 2010 draft, Rob Maver played 145 games in Calgary over the last 10 seasons making it to the Grey Cup five times, winning twice.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on December 02, 2019, 04:26:13 PM
BC Lions have a "major football opertions" announcement today.  New Head Coach?


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Blue In BC on December 02, 2019, 04:30:49 PM
BC Lions have a "major football opertions" announcement today.  New Head Coach?

Sounds like it's going to be Rick Campbell.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on December 03, 2019, 04:55:54 PM
CFL Headlines
@CFL_Headlines

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WIGGAN SIGNS TWO-YEAR DEAL: The Calgary Stampeders have signed national defensive lineman Derek Wiggan to a two-year contract that will keep him with the Red and White through the 2021 season. The 27-year-old Toronto native is coming... https://stampeders.com/2019/12/03/wiggan-signs-two-year-deal/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter via @calstampeders


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on December 06, 2019, 04:27:25 PM
David William Naylor Retweeted
Saskatchewan Roughriders
@sskroughriders
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2h
We have added Jason Maas as offensive coordinator through 2021.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on December 07, 2019, 04:07:33 AM
3DownNation
@3DownNation
 ? 11h
#Argos cast offensive coordinator Jacques Chapdelaine aside https://3downnation.com/2019/12/06/argos-casting-offensive-coordinator-jacques-chapdelaine-aside/
 #Toronto #ArgosFootball #DoubleBlue #CFL


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: ModAdmin on December 07, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
CFL Headlines
@CFL_Headlines
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15h
Stampeders re-sign defensive back Jamar Wall: It?s not as if Brandon Smith left and Jamar Wall suddenly needs to take over as the Calgary Stampeders' leader in the defensive backfield. Sure, it would be easy to look at it that way,? https://calgarysun.com/sports/football/cfl/calgary-stampeders/stampeders-re-sign-defensive-back-jamar-wall?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter via @DannyAustin_9


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 07, 2019, 06:11:39 PM
3DownNation
@3DownNation
 ? 11h
#Argos cast offensive coordinator Jacques Chapdelaine aside https://3downnation.com/2019/12/06/argos-casting-offensive-coordinator-jacques-chapdelaine-aside/
 #Toronto #ArgosFootball #DoubleBlue #CFL

Poor timing all around, now that many of the job opportunities Chaps. could have applied for have been scooped up and some of the better coaches taken off the market, the mighty Argos swing into action and decide to cut Chapdelaine loose and start looking for his replacement.....after much careful consideration.  Honestly they are one goofy organization top to bottom.


Title: Re: Other Team Cuts and Transactions.
Post by: bluebeard on December 07, 2019, 08:09:09 PM
You are so right.  Thought that things would change this season but maybe not.