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Title: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 18, 2019, 03:12:57 AM
Main Training Camp starts this weekend with the players taking their medicals on Saturday and players on the field on Sunday.

Comments and observations can be posted here.  If you attend any of the sessions your views would be welcome here as well.

Here is a primer a primer from Ed Tait and his thoughts:

Training Camp Preview


The clock is ticking. Check that... it isn't just ticking, it's clanging loudly and clearly like a three-alarm fire bell.

The veteran Winnipeg Blue Bombers returning for the opening of main training camp on Sunday all know they've posted the second-best record in the Canadian Football League over the last three years to the Calgary Stampeders and have made three straight playoff appearances.

Yet, those final moments in the West Final loss to Calgary still resonate, still burn as unfinished business. And yes, they are all well aware they are part of the longest championship drought in franchise history.

Yet, hope also always springs eternal on the eve of the opening of training camp. It's a fresh start, a clean slate, and with so many familiar faces returning, there?s also a heightened sense of expectation both inside and outside the locker room.

"Just seeing the guys staring to filter in here gets you fired up," began Bombers quarterback Matt Nichols Friday, during a break surveying the last day of rookie camp. "During the offseason it always feels like it's forever away and then all of a sudden you blink your eyes and you're full-go here in a couple of days.

"It's always one of the most exciting times of the year when football is back. It should be a heavy presence of vets pouring in now in the next day or two. It's great to catch up with everyone. For us, we have a large group of core guys that are back and it will also be great to pick up where we left off with those guys."

The Bombers took some hits in free agency in the offseason, but also added some key pieces, too. And in a West Division that has undergone a massive makeover (but should still be deadly competitive), there is a hope that continuity could serve the Bombers well.

"We've kept the core group together for a number of years now, which is hard to do in this day and age," said Nichols. "We've taken steps. We went from not being very good here for a few years, to going to a playoff game, to hosting one and winning one. We feel like we've taken steps every year. Sometimes those are necessary things to get where you want to be and we feel like this is that year that we take that next step and reach our ultimate goal."

The first official steps toward that begin Sunday morning. And with that as the backdrop, here is our guide to the Bombers 2019 main camp...

WELCOME BACK

Starters from the 2018 West Final returning to camp:

Offence 8): QB Matt Nichols, RB Andrew Harris, WR Darvin Adams, SB Nic Demski, WR Drew Wolitarsky, LT Stanley Bryant, LG Patrick Neufeld, RT Jermarcus Hardrick

Defence (9): DE Jackson Jeffcoat, DT Drake Nevis, DT Brandin Bryant, LB Adam Bighill, LB Anthony Gaitor, LB Kyrie Wilson, DB Brandon Alexander, DB Marcus Sayles, DE Craig Roh

Specialists: K Justin Medlock, LS Chad Rempel

Other returnees: QB Chris Streveler, QB Bryan Bennett, FB Mike Miller, FB John Rush, SB Daniel Petermann, WR/KR Charles Nelson, WR Rashaun Simonise, OL Michael Couture, DT Jake Thomas, LB Chandler Fenner, LB Thomas Miles, LB Shayne Gauthier, LB Jesse Briggs, LB Kyrie Wilson, DB Abu Conteh, S Jeff Hecht.

Injured list at season's end and returning: SB Kenbrell Thompkins, WR Corey Washington, CB Chris Humes, OL Cody Speller, OL Geoff Gray, S Derek Jones, OL Manase Foketi

Practice roster at season's end and returning: RB Johnny Augustine, DB Tyneil Cooper, DB Jacob Firlotte, DE Patrick Choudja....

Read the rest of Ed Tait's article here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/17/training-camp-preview-2/)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 19, 2019, 02:42:30 PM
Training Camp Roster:

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Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: theaardvark on May 19, 2019, 02:46:17 PM
Should they not have a legend for:

Global players
Non-counters


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: The Zipp on May 19, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
From bauming:

A bit down the list of forefront storylines, but rookie Tui Eli, who some have described as a potential draft-day steal, appears to be in the process of being groomed as a centre with the #Bombers.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 19, 2019, 03:01:37 PM
Ed Tait
‏ @EdTaitWFC
19m19 minutes ago

FWIW - Geoff Gray at guard, Michael Couture at centre and Corey Washington at receiver on the #Bombers offence


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Jesse on May 19, 2019, 03:07:32 PM
Our first draft pick is in at guard too, Neufeld doesn't appear to be practicing.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on May 19, 2019, 03:18:52 PM
Our first draft pick is in at guard too, Neufeld doesn't appear to be practicing.
Neufeld got the day off due to 'banked hours' for working as the PA rep.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 19, 2019, 03:31:41 PM
Neufeld got the day off due to 'banked hours' for working as the PA rep.

It's day 1 and there are a lot of new candidates to sort through as well. Not a big deal.

Washington must have moved up the initial depth chart with Thompkins suspension.  He's been with the team for awhile so has that early step of familiarity.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 19, 2019, 03:35:10 PM
Football banked hours, nice. Would be nice to see Gray, Desjarlais, or Elj, come out of the gate an dominate.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on May 19, 2019, 04:44:27 PM
Who looked good at the skill positions?

Or DB?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Bluehawk on May 19, 2019, 05:20:42 PM
What's the deal with Corney?  Must of missed the news but it looks like he retired??


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 19, 2019, 05:26:36 PM
What's the deal with Corney?  Must of missed the news but it looks like he retired??

Health reasons forced retirement for Corney.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 19, 2019, 08:56:08 PM
Corney was a fitness machine. To bad the man had a motor.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Sec223 on May 19, 2019, 09:23:06 PM
Is it just me or shouldn't the player lists handed out be numerical and not alphabetical ? You see a great play on the field and it's crazy trying to find them on the sheets handed out before the next play.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: theaardvark on May 19, 2019, 09:43:53 PM
Is it just me or shouldn't the player lists handed out be numerical and not alphabetical ? You see a great play on the field and it's crazy trying to find them on the sheets handed out before the next play.

It's just you... ;)

They are numerical by position... so if you see a receiver make a great play, you look under receivers... pretty easy, really...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Jesse on May 19, 2019, 09:44:16 PM
Is it just me or shouldn't the player lists handed out be numerical and not alphabetical ? You see a great play on the field and it's crazy trying to find them on the sheets handed out before the next play.

They handed out both today. It was super convenient.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 19, 2019, 10:03:05 PM
Notes From Camp | Day 1 Recap - Ed Tait

HEAD COUNT:

The Bombers training camp roster features 93 names, not including the non-counters like the three Winnipeg Rifles players - LB Cole Sneesby, RB Brandon Urcluoli and DB Troy Wilson - and CFL/U Sports QB Apprentice Sawyer Buettner of the University of Ottawa.

The Bombers did make a couple of moves with their receiving corps on Sunday, suspending Kenbrell Thompkins and releasing Josh Stewart. Thompkins started 12 games for the club last year, but was suspended because management has not been able to contact him after repeated attempts.

The team also added RB John Santiago, who played his college ball at North Dakota alongside Bombers 2019 CFL Draft pick Brady Oliveira.  Santiago had rookie-camp looks from the Minnesota Vikings and Atlanta Falcons after rushing for more than 3,700 yards and 29 TDs in his four years at UND.

THE LOCALS:


Bombers training camp is loaded with local products who played their high school or college ball here: Andrew Harris, Oliveira, Nic Demski, Thomas Miles, Geoff Gray, Abu Conteh, DJ Lalama, Tariq Lachance and Dylan Schrot.

KEEP AN EYE ON:


The Bombers have a vacancy at the weak-side linebacker spot after Jovan Santos-Knox signed with the Edmonton Eskimos this offseason. That leaves Kyrie Wilson as the front-runner to replace him.

"Kyrie has been in the ranks," said Bighill. "He's been learning, he's been working hard, he's been focused. I love the way he prepares and approaches the game. From there it's his time to show he can do it and I'm going to be right there helping him. I'm excited to see what he can do."


The rest of Ed's article can be read here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/19/notes-camp-day-1-recap/)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: NewBlue on May 19, 2019, 10:42:22 PM
I love that we have local flavour on the team, and not just sideline guys, but legit CFL players.

Who was the 3rd Winnipeg guy lastyear (or 2 yaers ago?) that scored a TD in 1 game...Harris, Demski & ??

Would love to see Gray carve out a career now.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: M.O.A.B. on May 19, 2019, 10:45:58 PM
Josh Stewart transferred from Active Roster to Retired
Derek Jones transferred from Injured Vet to Active Roster


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: gobombersgo on May 19, 2019, 11:56:22 PM
Josh Stewart transferred from Active Roster to Retired
Derek Jones transferred from Injured Vet to Active Roster
Jones was out there at practice today. I'm not sure why he was put on the injured vet list to begin with as he was able to practice meanwhile guys like Briggs, Alexander and Harris didn't.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: gobombersgo on May 20, 2019, 12:11:47 AM
Darren Cameron. @Darren_Cameron
#Bombers will now practice  10:40 a.m. - 12:30pm tomorrow at IG Field. Open to fans!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 20, 2019, 02:16:38 AM
I love that we have local flavour on the team, and not just sideline guys, but legit CFL players.

Who was the 3rd Winnipeg guy lastyear (or 2 yaers ago?) that scored a TD in 1 game...Harris, Demski & ??

LaFrance was our 3rd "big name" local boy.  Thomas Miles on ST & D is local too.  I think that's all of them?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 20, 2019, 02:36:09 AM
LaFrance was our 3rd "big name" local boy.  Thomas Miles on ST & D is local too.  I think that's all of them?


Conteh is also a Wpg. boy, add Oliveira, Gray, Lachance and Lalama, I'm guessing the local representation hasn't been this deep in over 50 years.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on May 20, 2019, 02:40:09 AM
Conteh is also a Wpg. boy, add Oliveira, Gray, Lachance and Lalama, I'm guessing the local representation hasn't been this deep in over 50 years.
I don't ever recall this many local boys on the team.....a testament to the football programs in Winnipeg!   I'm really pulling for Oliveira....he looks like a gamer!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 20, 2019, 03:01:17 AM
I don't ever recall this many local boys on the team.....a testament to the football programs in Winnipeg!   I'm really pulling for Oliveira....he looks like a gamer!

You'd probably have to go back to the time before they allowed imports, most likely every player was local.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: DM83 on May 20, 2019, 06:48:49 AM
Probably 1950s,and 1970's
Protected. Territorial oicks helped.
I was either too young then and to old  now to remember now! Lol!
60's Pembina Hotel. Owner druxman, Schapanski brothers,?
In the 70s, - Ezerins, Rosolowich,   Rick Koswin, Lee Benard, Bob Toogood, McIver, pattison, Kraemer, McKee,,Walby,, Mikowas,


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 20, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
Notes From Camp | Day 2 Recap - Ed Tait

The Bombers wrapped up Day 2 of training camp in front of a good Victoria Day crowd at IG Field.

Here are today's collection of notes and quotes from Monday?s session...

LOOKING GOOD, QB1:

Bombers starting QB Matt Nichols has spoken over the last few days of camp about feeling the best he's felt in years, especially after going through a rigorous offseason training program and having that many more months to heal up the knee he injured at the beginning of 2018.

Chris Streveler was asked after practice Monday how Nichols looks to him.

"Well, he's got a visor on and so he looks a lot cooler," said Streveler with a chuckle. "He's been doing well. I got up here a couple of days early and we were just throwing around with him and he looks really good. He's been in this league for a long time. He knows what he's doing out here. He's really comfortable and comfortable in the playbook and everything like that.

"He looks great. It's really fun getting to go into the film room and out on the field every day and work with him. We have that relationship from last year where now we're kind of on the same page with things... we'll bounce back and forth with 'what were you seeing there?' and talk about it.

"It's really nice having that relationship with him and he's somebody I definitely respect who's been in this league and been doing it at a high level for a long time."

FYI:

The Bombers starting O-line unit featured Stanley Bryant and Jermarcus Hardrick at tackles, with the interior manned by Michael Couture at centre, Drew Desjarlais at left guard and Geoff Gray at right guard. Cody Speller also took a lot of turns at centre.

Pat Neufeld, the starting left guard, has not practised during the first two days along with running back Andrew Harris and defensive back Brandon Alexander. Head coach Mike O'Shea said he expects the trio to be healthy and on the field soon.

"He doesn't need the work, either," said O'Shea of Harris. "Obviously, he wants it. Certainly we've got enough tailbacks in camp and enough competition. You have hard enough time spreading out and getting guys enough touches, so sitting him down, our choice, for a few days or however and it's not a bad thing for this camp."

MORE PRAISE:


Here's O'Shea on RB Brady Oliveira, the Winnipeg product who was selected in the second round of this year?s CFL Draft:

"As advertised. He's smart. He's strong. He's thick, he's fast, he's got very quick feet. I think he's going to adjust extremely well."

TAKE NOTE:


Among those fielding punts on Monday as potential return candidates were receivers Lucky Whitehead, Charles Nelson and Daniel Petermann and defensive back Mike Jones.

GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION, PART DEUX:

Chris Matthews continues to make one spectacular catch after another and has been arguably the best player on the field over the first two days. And, as was the case after Day 1, Matthews was part of a group that stayed on the field for quite a while afterward to catch passes from the Jugs machine.

"I looked over there earlier and Willie Jefferson was over there with a bunch of defensive guys," said O'Shea. "We've got to get more Jugs machines out here, I guess, because the guys are going to be working hard. It's going to make for long afternoons for you guys (media) because there are a lot of guys putting a lot of extra time in after practice.

"I love the leadership. I see a lot of commitment to excellence out here."

STANDING OUT:

WR Chris Matthews, DE Willie Jefferson, WR Lucky Whitehead, DB Chris Humes, RB Brady Oliveira, RT Jermarcus Hardrick, LT Stanley Bryant.

DL Jonathan Kongbo, the Bombers second first-round draft pick (5th overall), is here, but not participating in practice yet. The University of Tennessee product suffered an ACL tear last October in a game against Auburn.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/20/notes-camp-day-2-recap/


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 22, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
Notes from Camp | Day 3 Recap - Ed Tait

The Bombers wrapped up Day 3 of training camp Tuesday. Here are our daily collection of notes and quotes from the session....

SECONDARY FIRST IMPRESSIONS:

The Bombers have some holes to fill in the secondary after the departures of Chris Randle (Ottawa), Kevin Fogg (Toronto) and Taylor Loffler (Montreal) in free agency.

Camp is just three days old, but the new faces who stood out at the free-agent camp in Florida last month, coupled with the addition of Winston Rose and the continuing development of Chris Humes, gives the Bombers a number of options in their defensive backfield.

Rose, who started 18 games for the B.C. Lions last year and tied for the team lead in interceptions with five, has been solid since camp opened and was particularly noticeable on Tuesday.

"I feel great. Coming in and just contributing to the team... great environment, great people, great coaches. I just feel love. I feel like I'm at home," said Rose.

"Last year was a big step for me because I felt like I actually started making a name for myself and people started recognizing me. Last year what I did was just a stepping stone in just showing who Winston Rose is. Coming in to Winnipeg and seeing what they did last year with just one game short of the Grey Cup, I just feel like me contributing to the team will help us get there and win us one."

ACRONYMS 'R US:


Rose used a couple of acronyms in his session with the media after practice, one that comes from defensive coordinator Richie Hall - 'GBT: Get Better Together'; The other - 'PVO: Positive Vibes Only' - is his own.

"That's the type of player I am," Rose said. "I'm very enthusiastic. I like to have energy because I feel like energy is contagious. Great energy... PVO - Positive Vibes Only - and it just trickles down. If you're out here having fun, everybody else is having fun. It's contagious.

"This is just a great environment. This team is like a family. Everybody interacts with each other from the coaches to general manager out there watching us practice... just having that family-oriented feel and I'm big on family and this is like a family team."

COMMUNICATION/LEADERSHIP:


One more on Rose, this from head coach Mike O'Shea:  "I thought today was a real slick practice for him. It seemed like he covered well, he runs well and you can hear him out there getting the chatter going. He was quite noticeable today."

That prompted a question about communication and how that can often be seen as part of leadership. Both Randle and Loffler were adept at handling that in years past.

"There were a few guys we don't have any more that could run practice pretty well, so we need a couple guys to step up," said O?Shea. "It takes time, though."

And when O'Shea was asked about that leadership coming by committee or from a particular player, the inquisitor hadn't even finished with his question when the coach offered up Brandon Alexander's name without hesitation, adding "He's the guy."

The rest of Ed Tait's article on Day 3 is here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/21/notes-camp-day-3-recap/)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
Some of my observations from camp yesterday..

Appears to be a 2 man competition for the slot that Dressler vacated between C. Washington and R. Bailey...both seem to have the waggle mastered and look very smooth and precise with their route running...Bailey seems to be faster, but Washington offers the bigger body and familiarity..the rest of the group are good, but these guys are head and shoulders above in my opinion...a dark horse to me could be Kenny Walker...nice hands...nice routes...fast in space and just something about him....Looks like Denmark out there

Simonese looks poised to have a break-out...works super hard in all facets of the drills, very focused and engaged and I think the maturity happening and the vets around him are really rubbing off on him. He seems faster than last year and for a big bodied guy very agile and quick...and love his catching ability, catches everyting with his hands and has been coached well somewhere down the line...with him Demski and Woli our National receivers are looking good..Peterman to me is good...but not Simonesegood or has more potential...He is constantly using his body to make catches and only uses his hands if thats the only way to catch ball not thrown directly at him. Doesn't seem to work as hard or be as engaged as the others either

Oliviera has impressed...he has great hands and can be just as good as a weapon out of the backfield as Harris and is a solid runner...gets the ball and heads up field..he is going to be good..Same can be said of Augustine..had some nice runs...looked good receiving and he its line hard and is all business running straight up field. If both are not on roster I would be shocked and should be at the expense of John Rush (who is not participating at moment) Either one will offer more in offense and backing up Harris and Augustine can fill the role on ST's...not sure if they have used Oliviera on teams yet. My surprise tho at camp was Santiago out of UND...Great hands, super agile and fast and when he has ball in his hands is making guys miss left right and center..get him in space and he will be a pian in arse for teams...one play i watched he juked and jump stepped about 3-4 times and caused Choujda to roll an ankle...not sure how we roster him, but I bet he gets PR'd...he's good...and he does returns

Lucky and Nelson appear to be competing for one spot on the roster, both are quick and shifty as heck, but Lucky appears to have more outright speed and if he gets just a little seam..he's gone...he gets to top speed pretty quick..Nelson is more polished receiver, but Lucky has shown no signs of being a poor receiver..so this decision will be interesting especially as Lucky is the better returner

Our d-line is gonna be a beast..Jefferson is flat out good..Jeffcoat too and Bryant is a beast, and very agile for a big dude, Nevis appears to be in even better shape than last year and quicker too, but I think him and Roh better be looking over their shoulder. Richardson out of Minnesota is a force..just and utter tank and man is he impressive...power as I have not seen at a DT here in ages..man handled pretty much whomever he faced and his shorter stature and low center of gravity really allows him drive through the line...plus he is fast...he would be a real force coming off the edge too...so I wouldn't be shocked if he takes Nevis spot, or takes Roh's DI spot seeing as we have Kongbo chomping at the bit...you can see the guys just wanting to get in there...mimicking the moves, and right up close taking it all in...and he is a specimen as well...

No issues with our o-line with whomever gets in there...Eli looked really good...no sign of missing any  ball with that guy, had a series in skeli where he manhandled Griffiths, then on next play #97 and on next play just pancaked Jake Thomas...and in the 0ne on ones the only guy to really have his way with him was Richardson, but he did with basically everyone. Gray has looked good as well..very athletic and get downfield to clobber guys like Yoshi does...Speller didn't look outta place either, and Couture looked fine...same as always but these young guys seem to have a bit more to them..I see Bryant, Neufeld, Gray and Hardrick as the for sure guys, and if Eli keeps on keeping on dont be shocked if he starts, if they feel he not totally ready wouldn't be shocked if he is the 6th o lineman...he was a steal this draft. That being said they may start the season with Couture as he is familiar with things and would help with continuity but he shouldn't get too comfortable.

Losing Randle and Loffler is gonna be a non issue..Winston rose is a baller...he's good and made play after play...the only time I seen him beat was a down the rail long shot to Matthews where you couldn't cover any better, but man that Matthews is good, and he just went up and took the ball cause thats what he does...he is gonna be a beast for us.
Jones as well, great in coverage and fast and makes reads and breaks on the ball very nicely, and I can see our defense doing a lot of things based on this. Gaitor  as well was lights out, and Fenner seems to be the swiss army knife who can play all the spots and is a lot faster than I remembered. As for new guys Boynton stood out to me..makes quick reads and closes fast, same with Este..smart guy and good cover skills....Humes too....looking as good or better than last year. A secondary/and SAM of Rose, Alexander, Jones, Sayles and Fenner and one of Humes/Boynton or Este wont surprise me

Not much to say on the linebackers as didn't pay much attention though did notice Dale Warren as a solidly built guy with athletisim



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 22, 2019, 01:43:08 PM
Excellent observations Booch!! Think you can take the next couple weeks off and attend the rest of camp?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: bigbuff33 on May 22, 2019, 01:49:23 PM
Thanks for the awesome right up...
I'm excited about Rasheed Bailey...only hearing great things about him..
My only concern is the secondary...with three positions to replace, hope they can gel quickly...
I think it's smart keeping Harris fresh...sounds like we've got a lot of good tailbacks...let them get the reps and just have Andrew ready for the season


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Knocker42 on May 22, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Great report, Booch.
Must agree about Oliviera.  Looks to have all the goods.  Hope he can push Harris because even studs like him can be better when they get a break.
Also agree re Simonize. Appeared much more involved than at any practise I saw last season when he sometimes appeared disinterested.  Looks like he is determined to make the starting line-up and I believe he has the tools.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
Yeah Bailey is pretty slick...he's fast with the ball in his hands, a lot of speedy guys lose a bit when lugging the rock, but not him.
I'm not worried about the secondary from what I saw...Rose will make everyone forget about Randle (as good a player and teamate that he was)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
Excellent observations Booch!! Think you can take the next couple weeks off and attend the rest of camp?
lol...I gonna blow off another day of work again I think...I need the break hahaha


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 22, 2019, 02:27:01 PM
We've been hearing good things about Bailey since he showed up in Florida. That's very encouraging. Not a bad thing that Washington is stepping up after time with the team last year.

Some of the early comments about other rookies pushing some veterans is also encouraging. We aren't really looking to replace bad players this year. If a rookie wins out it sounds more like we've replaced very good with even better.



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
i'd be shocked if the DT Richardson doesn't make the squad in some capacity...same with not having ELI on the 46 at the very least..I could see jake as well replaced by Griffiths and or Forde...and thats before Kongbo even steps foot on the field.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 22, 2019, 02:41:55 PM
i'd be shocked if the DT Richardson doesn't make the squad in some capacity...same with not having ELI on the 46 at the very least..I could see jake as well replaced by Griffiths and or Forde...and thats before Kongbo even steps foot on the field.

Sure. We may start the season with the veterans while the rookies are on the 2 man DR for example. Initially it's less of a risk to continuity and gives rookies a bit more time to learn nuances of the  CFL.

OTOH there might be some SMS considerations involved in final roster moves.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 02:49:09 PM
Guys who I might think could be bubble guys this year are Rush, Roh, Couture, possibly Nevis, Thomas


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: blue_or_die on May 22, 2019, 02:56:33 PM
Some of my observations from camp yesterday..

Appears to be a 2 man competition for the slot that Dressler vacated between C. Washington and R. Bailey...both seem to have the waggle mastered and look very smooth and precise with their route running...Bailey seems to be faster, but Washington offers the bigger body and familiarity..the rest of the group are good, but these guys are head and shoulders above in my opinion...a dark horse to me could be Kenny Walker...nice hands...nice routes...fast in space and just something about him....Looks like Denmark out there

Simonese looks poised to have a break-out...works super hard in all facets of the drills, very focused and engaged and I think the maturity happening and the vets around him are really rubbing off on him. He seems faster than last year and for a big bodied guy very agile and quick...and love his catching ability, catches everyting with his hands and has been coached well somewhere down the line...with him Demski and Woli our National receivers are looking good..Peterman to me is good...but not Simonesegood or has more potential...He is constantly using his body to make catches and only uses his hands if thats the only way to catch ball not thrown directly at him. Doesn't seem to work as hard or be as engaged as the others either

Oliviera has impressed...he has great hands and can be just as good as a weapon out of the backfield as Harris and is a solid runner...gets the ball and heads up field..he is going to be good..Same can be said of Augustine..had some nice runs...looked good receiving and he its line hard and is all business running straight up field. If both are not on roster I would be shocked and should be at the expense of John Rush (who is not participating at moment) Either one will offer more in offense and backing up Harris and Augustine can fill the role on ST's...not sure if they have used Oliviera on teams yet. My surprise tho at camp was Santiago out of UND...Great hands, super agile and fast and when he has ball in his hands is making guys miss left right and center..get him in space and he will be a pian in arse for teams...one play i watched he juked and jump stepped about 3-4 times and caused Choujda to roll an ankle...not sure how we roster him, but I bet he gets PR'd...he's good...and he does returns

Lucky and Nelson appear to be competing for one spot on the roster, both are quick and shifty as heck, but Lucky appears to have more outright speed and if he gets just a little seam..he's gone...he gets to top speed pretty quick..Nelson is more polished receiver, but Lucky has shown no signs of being a poor receiver..so this decision will be interesting especially as Lucky is the better returner

Our d-line is gonna be a beast..Jefferson is flat out good..Jeffcoat too and Bryant is a beast, and very agile for a big dude, Nevis appears to be in even better shape than last year and quicker too, but I think him and Roh better be looking over their shoulder. Richardson out of Minnesota is a force..just and utter tank and man is he impressive...power as I have not seen at a DT here in ages..man handled pretty much whomever he faced and his shorter stature and low center of gravity really allows him drive through the line...plus he is fast...he would be a real force coming off the edge too...so I wouldn't be shocked if he takes Nevis spot, or takes Roh's DI spot seeing as we have Kongbo chomping at the bit...you can see the guys just wanting to get in there...mimicking the moves, and right up close taking it all in...and he is a specimen as well...

No issues with our o-line with whomever gets in there...Eli looked really good...no sign of missing any  ball with that guy, had a series in skeli where he manhandled Griffiths, then on next play #97 and on next play just pancaked Jake Thomas...and in the 0ne on ones the only guy to really have his way with him was Richardson, but he did with basically everyone. Gray has looked good as well..very athletic and get downfield to clobber guys like Yoshi does...Speller didn't look outta place either, and Couture looked fine...same as always but these young guys seem to have a bit more to them..I see Bryant, Neufeld, Gray and Hardrick as the for sure guys, and if Eli keeps on keeping on dont be shocked if he starts, if they feel he not totally ready wouldn't be shocked if he is the 6th o lineman...he was a steal this draft. That being said they may start the season with Couture as he is familiar with things and would help with continuity but he shouldn't get too comfortable.

Losing Randle and Loffler is gonna be a non issue..Winston rose is a baller...he's good and made play after play...the only time I seen him beat was a down the rail long shot to Matthews where you couldn't cover any better, but man that Matthews is good, and he just went up and took the ball cause thats what he does...he is gonna be a beast for us.
Jones as well, great in coverage and fast and makes reads and breaks on the ball very nicely, and I can see our defense doing a lot of things based on this. Gaitor  as well was lights out, and Fenner seems to be the swiss army knife who can play all the spots and is a lot faster than I remembered. As for new guys Boynton stood out to me..makes quick reads and closes fast, same with Este..smart guy and good cover skills....Humes too....looking as good or better than last year. A secondary/and SAM of Rose, Alexander, Jones, Sayles and Fenner and one of Humes/Boynton or Este wont surprise me

Not much to say on the linebackers as didn't pay much attention though did notice Dale Warren as a solidly built guy with athletisim



Sounds like everything is just perfect. Grey Cup, no doubt! Lmao.

Seriously, thanks for the detailed report man.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: theaardvark on May 22, 2019, 03:03:46 PM
So, we have to cut 20+ of the people now in camp.  Some may end up back in school, some on the IR, and some the PR, but of the group not making the 46 man, there are going to be a lot of players that will make other teams.  Maybe even a few that can win a starters spot. 

It is so great to have these problems.  We are not far removed from having to start a Hargraves or Greaves to make ratio, or having players starting on our squad who couldsn't crack another teams PR... 

Walters and McManus have done Yeoman's work, we have an awesome stable of QB's, probably the best in the league, when was teh last time that was said about the Blue and Gold?

Excitement!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 22, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
So, we have to cut 20+ of the people now in camp.  Some may end up back in school, some on the IR, and some the PR, but of the group not making the 46 man, there are going to be a lot of players that will make other teams.  Maybe even a few that can win a starters spot. 
I doubt a lot of our cuts will make other teams. That just never happens. Keep in mind we also aren't hearing other peoples TC reports. Good chance some of them are saying the same thing


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 03:12:40 PM
depending on what O-lineman we keep/hide and who we have to cut, I bet any Canadian we have to let go will get snapped up pretty quick..We cant keep all of Neufeld, Gray, Couture, Speller, Desjarlais, Eli, Koczwara, Oullette Decarlo as well as Foketti as our Import depth...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: NewBlue on May 22, 2019, 03:19:12 PM
Foketi & Washington are 2 that I think will be hard pressed to accept a PR spot.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 22, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
depending on what O-lineman we keep/hide and who we have to cut, I bet any Canadian we have to let go will get snapped up pretty quick..We cant keep all of Neufeld, Gray, Couture, Speller, Desjarlais, Eli, Koczwara, Oullette Decarlo as well as Foketti as our Import depth...
Canadian OL maybe because they are something that teams always add.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 22, 2019, 03:29:47 PM
Foketi & Washington are 2 that I think will be hard pressed to accept a PR spot.

Foketi spent most of the last 2 years on the 2 man DR until he was injured.

I agree with Washington and in general players that spent most of their 1st year on the PR. Generally those players either move up to the AR or end up moving out and replaced with new rookies.

Washington has a chance to win a starting role. I don't know whether he will or how tight the receiver battles will look with all the new rookies.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue72 on May 22, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
If Walters could sign Simonise and Wolitarsky to a contract extension now so we know they will be here for a couple more years he could maybe bump Demski as a backup with Petermann and maybe Whitehead.
A lineup that I would like to see would be:
Adams 6'2/203,  Simonise 6'4/200,  Bailey 6'2/200,  Wolitarsky 6'2/223, and Matthews 6'5/240.
All these guys have good hands, size, height and speed.
Nichols/Streveller won't know where to go first especially with Harris in the back field and the other good Nat RBs. With this group you could sent anyone deep which the defense would have problems with.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: blue_or_die on May 22, 2019, 06:50:10 PM
If Walters could sign Simonise and Wolitarsky to a contract extension now so we know they will be here for a couple more years he could maybe bump Demski as a backup with Petermann and maybe Whitehead.
A lineup that I would like to see would be:
Adams 6'2/203,  Simonise 6'4/200,  Bailey 6'2/200,  Wolitarsky 6'2/223, and Matthews 6'5/240.
All these guys have good hands, size, height and speed.
Nichols/Streveller won't know where to go first especially with Harris in the back field and the other good Nat RBs. With this group you could sent anyone deep which the defense would have problems with.

No offence, but I hope we don?t take such a one dimensional approach. I?m happy we finally have some tall receivers to win the 50/50s, but Demski adds speed and agility and complements our height and power tools.

In the scenario described, Wolitarsky is actually the weak link and wouldn?t see anything.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: DM83 on May 23, 2019, 10:34:45 AM
On a championship team you need good fourth and fifth options at receiver..
That's why those unsung heroes arise in championships.  The top receivers are covered by the top DBS. So it's a possible "saw-off"

But the fourth best or fifth best secondary guys have to match up.  Amd quite often the receivers are better and that team wins the cup..

Ideally everyone gets at least five balls a game. If that stat happens it usually equals a win, plus the run game would be opened up as well, Defense. Kept off the field and again we score they don't type games.=Championship.

I have it all worked out! Lol!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Waffler on May 23, 2019, 12:50:31 PM

A lineup that I would like to see would be:
Adams 6'2/203,  Simonise 6'4/200,  Bailey 6'2/200,  Wolitarsky 6'2/223, and Matthews 6'5/240.
All these guys have good hands, size, height and speed.

Simonise is tall for sure but he weighs like 90 pounds. 200 seems a gross exaggeration.  I took in a couple training camp sessions so far and have seen no evidence he is ready to start. Lots of guys looking good at receiver this camp though, a good problem to have.

As for Lapo being one dimensional, Chris Matthews called him a genius in today's Free Press. I'm thinking we will see LOTS of Matthews this season.

Matthews played for Bombers offensive co-ordinator Paul LaPolice during his rookie season, and he recalled how creative he was back then. Now that he?s had the chance to see the playbook for this season, he?s even more impressed with the potential it brings the offence.

"He?s a genius," Matthews said. "He knows what he?s doing, and it shows when you get out on the field. He?s definitely a good coach and I?m excited to come back and work with him again."


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 23, 2019, 01:01:58 PM
I don't think Simonise will be taking Demski starting spot anytime this year unless Demski is injured.  Simonise has to beat out Petermann first.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 23, 2019, 01:44:39 PM
Notes from Camp | Day 4 Recap - Ed Tait

The Bombers wrapped up Day 4 of training camp on Wednesday. Here are our daily collection of notes and quotes from the session...

HIGH PRAISE:

Adam Bighill doesn't nuance things when it comes to his job in the middle of the Bombers defence. He's a seek-and-destroy linebacker who leads by his actions on the field and expects those around him to follow.

And so when the veteran defender declares that the talent assembled on the defensive side of the ball at camp is one the best he's been around in his seven years in the Canadian Football League, that serves a bold and telling statement.

"This is one of the most talented camps I've been around as far as the rookies we've brought in, the draft picks we've brought in," said Bighill. "I'm very impressed with what these guys have been able to do out here."

Bighill pointed to the team's continuity on a defence that will return eight regular starters and 13 players who made at least one start. Every team faces change in the offseason, but that continuity - including on the defensive coaching staff - can be critical.

"We've got a lot of talent in this camp and that's what's exciting to see," said Bighill. "We've got a lot of competition going on. The rookies are learning at a fast pace and we?re working extremely hard. We're working hard to get better and we're starting at a high level because of the continuity we already have in our defensive room."

Asked if any of the new guys in particular is jumping out, Bighill said he could name a lot of guys and then referenced draft picks Connor Griffiths and Tariq Lachance along with import defensive tackle Steven Richardson and then said that in the secondary "we're always making plays."

THE EVIDENCE:


One more from Bighill, when asked for the signs that indicate this camp is heavy in defensive talent compared to others he attended: "The things that separate are guys winning their one-on-one battles. When you've got guys on the defensive side winning at a high rate, a lot more than they would lose across the board, that tells you that guys are doing well. When you've got guys not making mistakes because they've been in their playbook and they know what they're doing, that allows them to play at a fast level and allows them to showcase their talent. Those are the things we're seeing."

WEIGHING IN:

Bombers coach Mike O'Shea was asked about three receivers in particular after practice on Wednesday. His take:

On Nic Demski: "He's won and he's scored touchdowns so far and in our limited number of practices so far, he looks good. He's found the end zone and gotten by guys. He's very athletic. That's his potential. He's certainly playing up to it and I think he'll just get better and better."

On Corey Washington: "Fast, long, strong hands, high-points the football and can win. For any young guy, and a guy being in his second year, the game slows down a little bit so he should be right more often and as with any offence, you've got to be right out there to get the football. He's going to be right more often this year and it's showing a little bit early."

On Rasheed Bailey: "I really liked him down in Tampa. He was one of a group of guys that stood out and he still does. I don't know if you timed how fast he is... he's fast, he's not slow, but he seems to play with a high level of speed. He understands the 'Waggle', he catches the ball well and for a guy getting his first taste of it he's right more often than not."

Read the rest of Ed Tait's article here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/22/noted-camp-day-4-recap/)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on May 23, 2019, 01:45:38 PM
I don't think he has to beat out Peterman to see the field...he is the better receiver from what I see...and Honestly I doubt Peterman is even here next yr anyway

Also Simonese has been taking reps in the slot as well as outside, and has looked good in doing it, and has more reliable hands


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 23, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
I don't think Simonise will be taking Demski starting spot anytime this year unless Demski is injured.  Simonise has to beat out Petermann first.

I will still say it, I think in the long run Petermann will be better than Simonise and have way better career. I am excited to see if the Bombers use him better than they have and give him more opportunities.  He is a real gem.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Knocker42 on May 23, 2019, 02:01:45 PM
I don't think Simonise will be taking Demski starting spot anytime this year unless Demski is injured.  Simonise has to beat out Petermann first.

Undoubtedly, Demski has talent.  However, he will need to be much more consistent this season or he will feel heat from some of the young Canadians.  It is a good place to be when a decent incumbent is being pushed.  It is still early but we do seem to have upgraded our back-up strength all over the field.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 23, 2019, 02:58:29 PM
Undoubtedly, Demski has talent.  However, he will need to be much more consistent this season or he will feel heat from some of the young Canadians.  It is a good place to be when a decent incumbent is being pushed.  It is still early but we do seem to have upgraded our back-up strength all over the field.

If Demski hasn't learned to secure the ball he may be sitting a lot earlier than next year. Both Petermann and Simonise are nipping on his heels as it is.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 23, 2019, 03:00:29 PM
Undoubtedly, Demski has talent.  However, he will need to be much more consistent this season or he will feel heat from some of the young Canadians.  It is a good place to be when a decent incumbent is being pushed.  It is still early but we do seem to have upgraded our back-up strength all over the field.

Please don't put him on kickoff returns, he is not very good at that role.  With Nelson or Whitehead we  will be better in that department.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 23, 2019, 04:14:34 PM
I will still say it, I think in the long run Petermann will be better than Simonise and have way better career. I am excited to see if the Bombers use him better than they have and give him more opportunities.  He is a real gem.

I don't disagree with your assessment but I think Petermann will establish his career out East.  Too many obstacles in his way to get a fair shot here.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 23, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
Please don't put him on kickoff returns, he is not very good at that role.  With Nelson or Whitehead we  will be better in that department.

Totally agree.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: blue_or_die on May 23, 2019, 05:35:21 PM
If we DI Whitehead as a returner and backup rec, it will be super fun to see him and Demski on gadget plays and reverse sweeps and the like, along with Harris.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: squonk on May 23, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
If we DI Whitehead as a returner and backup rec, it will be super fun to see him and Demski on gadget plays and reverse sweeps and the like, along with Harris.

Enjoyed watching Lucky this morning - dude's fast (and sneaky)!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Waffler on May 23, 2019, 08:50:42 PM
Enjoyed watching Lucky this morning - dude's fast (and sneaky)!

Agree. He stands out with speed AND moves.  If he is not the starting returner game one it will be a surprise to me. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 23, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
Agree. He stands out with speed AND moves.  If he is not the starting returner game one it will be a surprise to me. 

We've had difficulty finding a spot for a returner as a DI for at least the last 2 seasons. O'Shea said that was in the plans but I'm waiting to see which position we've used a DI is replaced.

Whitehead is sounding like a good player in that role though if everything works out.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 23, 2019, 09:41:17 PM
Notes from Camp | Day 5 Recap - Ed Tait

The Bombers are now through five days of main training camp after today?s practice. Here are our daily collection of notes and quotes from the session...

SOLID ADDITION:

It took Jackson Jeffcoat roughly, oh, a nanosecond to appreciate what the addition of Willie Jefferson would mean not only to the Bombers D-line, but helping with his game, too.

"He's a great competitor. He's a great, dynamic player. He's fun to play with," said Jeffcoat after practice Thursday when asked about Jefferson. "Me and him got together in Austin and we trained together in the weight room and on the field as well. Happy to have him here, great guy. Texas kid like myself so we?ve got a bond over that. I'm excited."

Jeffcoat, who has worked on all aspects of his game for years - including training with martial-arts specialist Master Joe Kim, now of the New England Patriots - worked this offseason with former Tampa Buccaneers defensive end Tim Crowder.

And now it's the daily push he'll get from Jefferson and Craig Roh that Jeffcoat believes will make this defensive front that much more of a handful.

"Both Willie and Craig help me elevate my game," he said. "We compete in the room, we compete with each other as well because we always want to be the best out on the field. If we're not going against an opponent right now, we're competing against each other to get better."

MORE PRAISE FOR RICHARDSON:


Bombers DT Steven Richardson got a shout-out from LB Adam Bighill on Wednesday. A day later Bombers head coach Mike O'Shea was asked about the University of Minnesota bowling-ball type, who had another good day at camp.

"He's been impressive. To have another guy with the kind of power like Drake (Nevis) is really neat to see," said O?Shea. "He's built, he's quick off balls, he's got a great get-off, he's really strong and he's got some athleticism for the size he has.

"When you watched film you saw plays that jumped out like that; pushing guys around at will. Being able to move extremely large men and put them where you want them to be against their will. That's pretty impressive.?

Richardson played 43 games during his days with the Gophers, registering 103 total tackles, 12 ? sacks, four forced fumbled and five fumble recoveries. He was signed as an undrafted free agent by the San Diego Chargers last year and spent time on their practice roster before his release.

The Bombers called him just over a week ago, and he was in Winnipeg just four days later.

"I've been learning a lot from the coaches and also the players," Richardson said. "Craig (Roh) has been teaching me a lot, Drake (Nevis) has been teaching me a lot, Willie's (Jefferson) been teaching me a lot. I'm learning a lot from all the guys. It's a great group, too. A really great group. Personality-wise off the field I already feel like family here."

As for the compliment from Bighill...


"That means a lot. You assume that you're kind of doing good, but you don't know where you are, you don't know where you stand. So, hearing that from a veteran feels really good, especially from that guy. I got to know him in the past couple of days and I like him a lot."

The rest of Ed Tait's article is here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/23/notes-camp-day-5-recap/)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 24, 2019, 12:07:57 AM
We've had difficulty finding a spot for a returner as a DI for at least the last 2 seasons. O'Shea said that was in the plans but I'm waiting to see which position we've used a DI is replaced.

Whitehead is sounding like a good player in that role though if everything works out.
With Kongbo, a DE DI spot could go. Ditto LB if need be. Our 4th spot usually was a DB last year, or Flanders. Any of those could change


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: the paw on May 24, 2019, 01:50:37 AM
With Kongbo, a DE DI spot could go. Ditto LB if need be. Our 4th spot usually was a DB last year, or Flanders. Any of those could change

My crystal ball says our DIs will be Medlock and a returner/receiver on the offensive side, and Roh and a DB on defence.

I think they will want to have a 6th DB for certain packages, and I?m not sure Conteh or Hecht are it.  I think we have run a DE as a DI as part of a 7 man d-line for a number of years, and I don?t expect that to change.  Gotta keep the DEs fresh, and we have more NI assets at DT than DE.

I think when we need an extra linebacker, Briggs, Miles and Gauthier are competent to take reps.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 24, 2019, 03:06:38 AM
Notes from Camp | Day 4 Recap - Ed Tait

The Bombers wrapped up Day 4 of training camp on Wednesday. Here are our daily collection of notes and quotes from the session...

HIGH PRAISE:

Adam Bighill doesn't nuance things when it comes to his job in the middle of the Bombers defence. He's a seek-and-destroy linebacker who leads by his actions on the field and expects those around him to follow.

And so when the veteran defender declares that the talent assembled on the defensive side of the ball at camp is one the best he's been around in his seven years in the Canadian Football League, that serves a bold and telling statement.

"This is one of the most talented camps I've been around as far as the rookies we've brought in, the draft picks we've brought in," said Bighill. "I'm very impressed with what these guys have been able to do out here."

Bighill pointed to the team's continuity on a defence that will return eight regular starters and 13 players who made at least one start. Every team faces change in the offseason, but that continuity - including on the defensive coaching staff - can be critical.

"We've got a lot of talent in this camp and that's what's exciting to see," said Bighill. "We've got a lot of competition going on. The rookies are learning at a fast pace and we?re working extremely hard. We're working hard to get better and we're starting at a high level because of the continuity we already have in our defensive room."

Asked if any of the new guys in particular is jumping out, Bighill said he could name a lot of guys and then referenced draft picks Connor Griffiths and Tariq Lachance along with import defensive tackle Steven Richardson and then said that in the secondary "we're always making plays."

THE EVIDENCE:


One more from Bighill, when asked for the signs that indicate this camp is heavy in defensive talent compared to others he attended: "The things that separate are guys winning their one-on-one battles. When you've got guys on the defensive side winning at a high rate, a lot more than they would lose across the board, that tells you that guys are doing well. When you've got guys not making mistakes because they've been in their playbook and they know what they're doing, that allows them to play at a fast level and allows them to showcase their talent. Those are the things we're seeing."

WEIGHING IN:

Bombers coach Mike O'Shea was asked about three receivers in particular after practice on Wednesday. His take:

On Nic Demski: "He's won and he's scored touchdowns so far and in our limited number of practices so far, he looks good. He's found the end zone and gotten by guys. He's very athletic. That's his potential. He's certainly playing up to it and I think he'll just get better and better."

On Corey Washington: "Fast, long, strong hands, high-points the football and can win. For any young guy, and a guy being in his second year, the game slows down a little bit so he should be right more often and as with any offence, you've got to be right out there to get the football. He's going to be right more often this year and it's showing a little bit early."

On Rasheed Bailey: "I really liked him down in Tampa. He was one of a group of guys that stood out and he still does. I don't know if you timed how fast he is... he's fast, he's not slow, but he seems to play with a high level of speed. He understands the 'Waggle', he catches the ball well and for a guy getting his first taste of it he's right more often than not."

Read the rest of Ed Tait's article here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/22/noted-camp-day-4-recap/)

Continuity, consistency, patience pays off. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on May 24, 2019, 12:55:38 PM
Continuity, consistency, patience pays off. 
Going into year 7. We're a playoff team now who has won 1 playoff game and that was against a team without their starting QB. How many more years of patience should we have IF we don't win a playoff game this year?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 24, 2019, 01:03:07 PM
With Kongbo, a DE DI spot could go. Ditto LB if need be. Our 4th spot usually was a DB last year, or Flanders. Any of those could change

When Kongbo is healthy we won't need a DE as a DI, but that may not be for several games to start the season.

I can't remember the last time we haven't had a LB as a DI so that's the fly in the ointment. We'll be starting Wilson at WIL or a rookie. To not have another LB as a DI may not be a good thing.

Thinking the Canadian back ups are good enough? That's TBD. It's not something we've done. I'm hoping the global roster spot is a LB and he is better than the Canadian back ups. That frees up a DI spot.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 24, 2019, 02:15:50 PM
Day 6 of TC. Just a guess but I'd think the team will have identified a few bodies that have no chance of making the roster ( talent wise / effort wise ). So I'm expecting a few releases ( rookies ) this weekend and a few new additions that were on the radar somewhere.

No specific players in mind or even specific positions, just a guess that there were some players we wanted to look at earlier but TC limits prevented that.

Maybe 3 or 4?  We seem to have more non counters this TC due to the global draft and all of the returning 2018 draft choices and all of the 2019 draft choices. That total of 92 - 94 players in itself might need a small trim?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Jesse on May 24, 2019, 02:26:36 PM
Going into year 7. We're a playoff team now who has won 1 playoff game and that was against a team without their starting QB. How many more years of patience should we have IF we don't win a playoff game this year?

As always, depends on the circumstances. Anything can happen in the play offs. As long as we're winning double digit games and making the play offs, it is what it is.

They don't get much extra rope if we have a down season though.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 24, 2019, 02:38:51 PM
As always, depends on the circumstances. Anything can happen in the play offs. As long as we're winning double digit games and making the play offs, it is what it is.

They don't get much extra rope if we have a down season though.
There shouldn't be any if we have a down year.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
I am expecting about 10-20 players to be cut this weekend. It's really to bad that pre-season in the CFL is so short. With so many players at TC it's very hard to get a good ready on some of the new players.

The one players that has really stood out is Lucky. He is very quick, and makes great moves. If Lapo can put in a package for Lucky on O, and have him return kicks we could be on the edge of our seat every time he touches the ball.

I have also spent time watching the OL, Neufled could be trade bait, the kids are playing well. However this is only practice. Neufled does have the advantage when it comes to CFL experience.

All three QB's have looked good. Bennett as a 3rd. string QB is a bonus. This guy can play.

Wol82. Would have loved to have this guy at slot. Petermann just goes about his business, solid receiver.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 24, 2019, 02:42:45 PM
We've had difficulty finding a spot for a returner as a DI for at least the last 2 seasons. O'Shea said that was in the plans but I'm waiting to see which position we've used a DI is replaced.

Whitehead is sounding like a good player in that role though if everything works out.

I could easily see him in a role similar to how the Lions used Rainey in the past. KR/PR with a couple of offensive packages tailored to his speed.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 24, 2019, 03:02:24 PM
Day 6 of TC. Just a guess but I'd think the team will have identified a few bodies that have no chance of making the roster ( talent wise / effort wise ). So I'm expecting a few releases ( rookies ) this weekend and a few new additions that were on the radar somewhere.

No specific players in mind or even specific positions, just a guess that there were some players we wanted to look at earlier but TC limits prevented that.

Maybe 3 or 4?  We seem to have more non counters this TC due to the global draft and all of the returning 2018 draft choices and all of the 2019 draft choices. That total of 92 - 94 players in itself might need a small trim?

I'd prefer they make their initial cuts this W.E. and focus remaining reps. on refining the players they have in camp now instead of bringing in a couple of late comers that will be starting off behind the 8-ball.  Having more choices does not make for better choices.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: The Zipp on May 24, 2019, 03:09:23 PM
From Bauming:

Darvin Adams and Patrick Choudja just came to blows with one another. Not a camp scuffle. Legit fight. Quickly broken up. And away we go. #Bombers #CFLTC


Can't say I have heard much about this Choudja fellow...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 24, 2019, 03:19:53 PM
From Bauming:

Darvin Adams and Patrick Choudja just came to blows with one another. Not a camp scuffle. Legit fight. Quickly broken up. And away we go. #Bombers #CFLTC


Can't say I have heard much about this Choudja fellow...

He was with the club last year, 6'-3" 263 lb. D.E.  What the hell was Darvin trying to accomplish by punching him?  :D


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 24, 2019, 03:45:29 PM
He was with the club last year, 6'-3" 263 lb. D.E.  What the hell was Darvin trying to accomplish by punching him?  :D

It's training camp stuff happens, tempers flare. Happens everywhere in the CFL and Usports when competition and jobs are at stake.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2019, 04:01:19 PM
I agree Adams needs to stay away from fighting a DE, training camp or not.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 24, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
I could easily see him in a role similar to how the Lions used Rainey in the past. KR/PR with a couple of offensive packages tailored to his speed.

I'm all for a dedicated returner whether it's Whitehead or another player. Just contemplating the mix of DI's and who the alternative back ups might be if we change that mix.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 24, 2019, 04:11:55 PM
I'd prefer they make their initial cuts this W.E. and focus remaining reps. on refining the players they have in camp now instead of bringing in a couple of late comers that will be starting off behind the 8-ball.  Having more choices does not make for better choices.

I'd prefer thinning the herd more as well but I'm not sure teams do that significant a number this early. There used to be a significant cut after the 1st pre season game but they did away with that.

The short pre season requires decisions to be made quicker so that's a valid point.

I don't entirely agree that having more new choices ( behind the 8 ball ) does not necessarily make for better choices. We're also talking about development players that might at best be looked at as PR choices.

If they do choose to release 10 - 20 players I'd have no problem with that decision. 23 DB's and 19 receivers seems like a lot of bodies to work with.

OTOH, Richardson was a late choice. He wasn't at the Florida mini camp and I don't think he was at the rookie camp. Yet he's making a significant impression.

It's never too late to consider a player that might have been on the neg list for some time etc etc.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on May 24, 2019, 04:27:08 PM
Simonise is tall for sure but he weighs like 90 pounds. 200 seems a gross exaggeration.  I took in a couple training camp sessions so far and have seen no evidence he is ready to start. Lots of guys looking good at receiver this camp though, a good problem to have.

As for Lapo being one dimensional, Chris Matthews called him a genius in today's Free Press. I'm thinking we will see LOTS of Matthews this season.

Matthews played for Bombers offensive co-ordinator Paul LaPolice during his rookie season, and he recalled how creative he was back then. Now that he?s had the chance to see the playbook for this season, he?s even more impressed with the potential it brings the offence.

"He?s a genius," Matthews said. "He knows what he?s doing, and it shows when you get out on the field. He?s definitely a good coach and I?m excited to come back and work with him again."


Lol, he's probably being featured in lots of plays to get him open. Glad to hear he's happy though.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 24, 2019, 04:36:33 PM
I agree Adams needs to stay away from fighting a DE, training camp or not.

Love to see that Adams is coming in and competing hard. Coaches secretly love it when there are dust ups in TC or practice. Means the players are working hard against each other.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on May 24, 2019, 04:50:15 PM
Going into year 7. We're a playoff team now who has won 1 playoff game and that was against a team without their starting QB. How many more years of patience should we have IF we don't win a playoff game this year?

Newsflash: Collaros would not have made a lick of difference that game. They were potentially not starting him either way.

The team was hot garbage when J Mack left town, so toss 2 years out the door. By the time the east/west final rolls around you have 3 non-playoff teams, and 2 with a playoff loss and no wins.

We play in the West, which is a "Calgary disaster" every single stinking year (except this one???!), so you're most likely best outcome is 1-1.

Winning a playoff game last year was progress. 2 years overdue? Yes, but still progress.

Training camp means nothing, but management seems to have improved talent in key areas (db, rec, D-line). They also have bonafide replacements in place for All-star losses on the O-line.

Remember how devastated our CDN content and particularly O-line was when Labatte left?

What a treat to have a team we can be proud of every year with legitimate hope for a Grey Cup.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on May 24, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
Newsflash: Collaros would not have made a lick of difference that game. They were potentially not starting him either way.

The team was hot garbage when J Mack left town, so toss 2 years out the door. By the time the east/west final rolls around you have 3 non-playoff teams, and 2 with a playoff loss and no wins.

We play in the West, which is a "Calgary disaster" every single stinking year (except this one???!), so you're most likely best outcome is 1-1.

Winning a playoff game last year was progress. 2 years overdue? Yes, but still progress.

Training camp means nothing, but management seems to have improved talent in key areas (db, rec, D-line). They also have bonafide replacements in place for All-star losses on the O-line.

Remember how devastated our CDN content and particularly O-line was when Labatte left?

What a treat to have a team we can be proud of every year with legitimate hope for a Grey Cup.
Newsflash: Collaros is better than Bridge.

Toss year 1 out the door, sure. 2 years... nope.

Winning our first playoff game last year was progress. I was frankly expecting a playoff win in year 3 though. Now that we've done it once, we need to continue to win playoff games. Patience only goes so far.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2019, 06:33:01 PM
TC battles sure. Adams and BD in a little dust up that's passion. Adams and a DE, stupid. Adams has a history of injuries.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: blue_or_die on May 24, 2019, 06:57:43 PM
Newsflash: Collaros is better than Bridge.

Toss year 1 out the door, sure. 2 years... nope.

Winning our first playoff game last year was progress. I was frankly expecting a playoff win in year 3 though. Now that we've done it once, we need to continue to win playoff games. Patience only goes so far.


Behind the Sask Oline he's not.

Not even Rider fans were worried about Bridge starting the playoff game against us. "Oh no, our awesome QB Zach Collaros is not able to start! However can we go on without his star-calibre play?!"


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: DM83 on May 24, 2019, 08:22:39 PM
Anything of. Note today in the rain.I picked up my seasons ticket as practice was ending didn't see much

In the old daytime would be time for a scrimmage .m remember those held on a sat or sun at Canada Packers or Ravenscourt.? That Ravenscourt was nice.  Remember Jim Spavital and G.A.T.A.?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Gilbert on May 24, 2019, 08:52:02 PM
I remember Spavital at Ravenscourt.  Man, you're going back a long way.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 24, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
Anything of. Note today in the rain.I picked up my seasons ticket as practice was ending didn't see much

In the old daytime would be time for a scrimmage .m remember those held on a sat or sun at Canada Packers or Ravenscourt.? That Ravenscourt was nice.  Remember Jim Spavital and G.A.T.A.?

Ravenscourt was my favorite training camp location.  Also training camps were two a days with pads and real hitting,  and not like these cup cake camps of today in the CFL and NFL. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Maudie fingerjammer on May 24, 2019, 10:26:47 PM
I used to bike to the field close by Canada Packers every day from st.Vital.

A couple of memories. The year Phill Minnick came up from Iowa State. Early in training camp in one one ones he came up against the late great Herb Grey. I?ll never forget Greys reaction coming up against Minnick early in camp after a particularly tough battle..... ?Who the hell is that ***********?

Another memory that has stuck with me... a young American lineman, can't recall his name,  was really in over his head and on one occasion I recall him gong off the field and horking up his lunch. He was an early cut. That fall there was a news piece about him. He had hooked up with some semi pro team and died of an apparent heart attack, sad.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 25, 2019, 01:10:54 PM
We're a week into camp, and because the #Bombers have had TWO O-linemen wearing 57, I don?t believe anyone noticed that three-year vet Manase Foketi hasn't been here. Never showed up for work. #CFLTC

@Darrin Bauming, TSN. (@DarrinBauming) May 25, 2019

Wow.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: The Zipp on May 25, 2019, 01:13:48 PM
We're a week into camp, and because the #Bombers have had TWO O-linemen wearing 57, I don?t believe anyone noticed that three-year vet Manase Foketi hasn't been here. Never showed up for work. #CFLTC

@Darrin Bauming, TSN. (@DarrinBauming) May 25, 2019

Wow.

Kinda sad - a week in and no reporter, including Bob Irving mentioned this...Foketi is sitting somewhere thinking "they don't even know I am not there..."


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 25, 2019, 01:36:19 PM
As per Darin Bauming, Bombers add a couple, release a couple:

Signed two Import O-linemen and cut Frank Sutton and Evan Perrizo.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7altqXWkAU5Suo.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7altqXWkAU5Suo.jpg)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 25, 2019, 04:36:17 PM
I am sure they know he's not there.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: The Zipp on May 25, 2019, 07:47:10 PM
I am sure they know he's not there.

For sure the bombers know but I don't think any of the media caught on...and from what I saw there was nothing about him being on a suspended list


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Doublezero on May 25, 2019, 08:52:51 PM
For sure the bombers know but I don't think any of the media caught on...and from what I saw there was nothing about him being on a suspended list

CFL Transactions May 15:

019-05-15   WPG    FOKETI, Manase   OL   N   West Texas A&M   Transfer To   Injured Veteran


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on May 25, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
The Bombers had him on the roster they gave out with a number. They had an OL player wearing that number. No one in the media or fans thought they needed to check if the guy wearing Foketi's number was really Foketi. One fan who went to practise even raved about how well Foketi was playing one day. That guy was cut today then everyone noticed that Foketi wasn't around.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Doublezero on May 25, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
No one in the media or fans thought they needed to check if the guy wearing Foketi's number was really Foketi.
I'm not defending media laziness but then again, why should they? Even the Bombers own Ed Tait had this to say in his Positional Review of the O-Line: "The underrated Patrick Neufeld is a lock at left guard, and in import Manase Foketi, the team believes they have a player capable to stepping in and starting at either tackle or guard." https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/16/positional-preview-offensive-line-4/


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: DM83 on May 25, 2019, 11:06:15 PM
Why hang around after. He has paid his dues, and they show him such disrespect.  Practice roster pay for two years?  His family asking why he is hanging around?

Maybe he is. Just injured and or sick.
Not good that he isn't at practice, either way.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Jesse on May 26, 2019, 12:53:12 AM
I'm not defending media laziness but then again, why should they? Even the Bombers own Ed Tait had this to say in his Positional Review of the O-Line: "The underrated Patrick Neufeld is a lock at left guard, and in import Manase Foketi, the team believes they have a player capable to stepping in and starting at either tackle or guard." https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/16/positional-preview-offensive-line-4/

The OL and ratio make up is the largest question mark we have right now. Foketi should have been a day one interview.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 26, 2019, 01:03:25 AM
Why hang around after. He has paid his dues, and they show him such disrespect.  Practice roster pay for two years?  His family asking why he is hanging around?

Maybe he is. Just injured and or sick.
Not good that he isn't at practice, either way.

Foketi has been on the A.R. for most of the last two years, receiving game cheques.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 26, 2019, 02:38:00 AM
Notes From Camp | Day 7 Recap - Ed Tait

The Bombers are now through seven days of main training camp after their work Saturday morning. Here are our daily collection of notes and quotes from the session...

BACK TO WORK:

Saturday's practice marked the first time RB Andrew Harris was a participant in camp. The club is simply taking a 'load management' approach to their offensive workhorse, the CFL's two-time rushing champion.

"They just wanted to ease me into training camp," Harris explained. "I had a busy offseason and they wanted to make sure I was coming in on full tilt and performing at a high level. It?s just being smart about my workload.

"Obviously I want to be out there with the guys and be battling. It's hard to watch, but for me it's what it's come to now and I want to be flying around come Week 1."

The approach here makes sense: Harris has carried the ball 428 times over the last two years, adding another 163 receptions while not missing a single game. He's also 32 now, although that hardly seems to matter as he is coming off the two best seasons of his career.

That said, Harris had to be convinced to back off at the start of camp.

"Even today, I had the pads on and I had to be told numerous times not to go into any team drills," he said. "I'm a competitor, I want to be out there with the guys not only working and grinding with them, but staying mentally locked in and helping the young guys we have. That's part of being a leader and a teammate out here. I'm enjoying that role as well."

HARRIS AND THE PROTEGE:

Harris has been working closely with fellow Oak Park alum Brady Oliveira, as the club's second-round draft pick gets his introduction to pro football.

"He's doing great," said Harris of Oliveira. "He's definitely showing he can play. He's a big guy, he's quick and fast and what's most impressive is how he attacks the meeting rooms. Right from Day 1 I told him he can sit beside me and so I communicate with him throughout meetings quite a bit.

"It's crazy to think that a kid that's 10 years younger than me, and even with (Nic) Demski and five-six years difference, to come here from the same school is pretty amazing to be out here with those two guys."

A SHUFFLE IN THE TRENCHES:

The Bombers added two import offensive lineman Saturday in Jamar McGloster and Israel Helms, while releasing OL Frank Sutton and DL Evan Perrizo.

McGloster (6-7, 329, Syracuse) played 30 games for the Orange, making 24 consecutive starts at right tackle fro 2016-17. Undrafted, he signed with the Oakland Raiders in January before his release.

Helms (6-5, 305, Wayne State) started 11 games for the Warriors last year and was signed as an undrafted free agent by Tampa Bay after this year's NFL Draft before becoming available to the Bombers.

Additionally, the club has placed guard/tackle Manase Foketi  on the veteran exempt list. Foketi, who was expected to give the team the option to start three Americans on the OL, has not been in camp.

"They're guys we like that we wanted to take a look at that just became available," said head coach Mike O'Shea of McGloster and Helms. "There was a push by the NFL to sign some guys and bring them into camps and so when they become available is always hit and miss. We've got a couple of guys that are nicked up, too, so in order to practice efficiently and give the guys the appropriate amount of reps you've got to bring other guys in."

NEXT: The Bombers are back on the practice field Sunday afternoon from 1:30-3:45 p.m.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/25/notes-camp-day-7-recap/


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 26, 2019, 03:22:45 AM
Why hang around after. He has paid his dues, and they show him such disrespect.  Practice roster pay for two years?  His family asking why he is hanging around?

Maybe he is. Just injured and or sick.
Not good that he isn't at practice, either way.
I actually don't think he has ever collected a PR paycheque. Certainly not since his rookie year


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 26, 2019, 12:35:37 PM
I actually don't think he has ever collected a PR paycheque. Certainly not since his rookie year

He's been on the DR, AR and then IR. So he has been receiving full pay checks for 2 seasons. No disrespect by the organization at all.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 1chad on May 26, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Anyone see how the KR/PR are doing?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: DM83 on May 27, 2019, 03:34:02 AM
Full pay. For no play, ...good deal,for him.  Still not playing had to be depressing.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 27, 2019, 04:39:54 AM
He's been on the DR, AR and then IR. So he has been receiving full pay checks for 2 seasons. No disrespect by the organization at all.

OK, I can't stand it any more... I admit it, I don't know what a "DR" is.  What's a DR?  I know all the other *R's, just not that one.  Searching google for DR is futile  ;) :D


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: NewBlue on May 27, 2019, 11:08:43 AM
Declared roster?  Isn't there a few guys that are on a roster, but don't end up playing depending on last second changes.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: NewBlue on May 27, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
Anyone know when the first round of cuts need to be in by, and what # roster teams have to get to?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Fred C Dobbs on May 27, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
Anyone know when the first round of cuts need to be in by, and what # roster teams have to get to?

JUNE 8 - TEAMS MUST CUT DOWN FROM TRAINING CAMP ROSTER BY 10:00 P.M. ET

Not far away.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 01:08:45 PM
OK, I can't stand it any more... I admit it, I don't know what a "DR" is.  What's a DR?  I know all the other *R's, just not that one.  Searching google for DR is futile  ;) :D

The game day roster was 44 players. Teams kept 2 more players on the DR ( declared roster ) at full pay. They traveled with the team in case they needed to play. Those players could be activated an hour before the game if another player came up nicked during warm ups or couldn't play for some reason.

In 2019 the game day roster changes to 45 after adding the global player. Nothing specific has been said about the 2 man DR but I assume that still exists. Therefore the roster is now 47 players


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 04:34:52 PM
Must not be too many posters attending TC. We're not really getting much information from anybody including the coaches. Just general stuff.

We have a bunch of new receivers and DB's competing but haven't really heard a lot about most. A few comments about Bailey, Nelson, Whitehead and Washington. Haven't heard anything about receivers: Hazel, Hubert, Johnson, Lawler, Walker or Wilson.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on May 27, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
The game day roster was 44 players. Teams kept 2 more players on the DR ( declared roster ) at full pay. They traveled with the team in case they needed to play. Those players could be activated an hour before the game if another player came up nicked during warm ups or couldn't play for some reason.

In 2019 the game day roster changes to 45 after adding the global player. Nothing specific has been said about the 2 man DR but I assume that still exists. Therefore the roster is now 47 players

thats a new one I've never seen before....DR!?   Declared roster....why not just write it out because it's not a commonly used abbreviation?   I could find nothing on it in Google so I'm with Techno Genius on that front.   


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 04:46:31 PM
thats a new one I've never seen before....DR!?   Declared roster....why not just write it out because it's not a commonly used abbreviation?   I could find nothing on it in Google so I'm with Techno Genius on that front.  

I'm not really sure that's what it means but it's as good as anything for 2 players that aren't expected to play.  I've never supported that idea and have always said dress all 46 players.

I think the thing that prevents that is the ratio aspect of how to put them on the game day roster. They could change that to one of 3 options:

1. One Canadian and one more DI
2. Two Canadians.
3. Two more DI's

While I'd prefer two more DI's I'd also be ok with 2 more Canadians. Anything seems better than paying them to not play.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 04:50:37 PM
Depth chart on Friday might give us some ideas who are in the fight for 1st team. It's a home game and teams tend to use more of the projected starters in the 1st Q and a bit.

Those that don't see much action until late in Q3 or mid Q4 are usually the ones on the bubble and early cuts.

It still wouldn't surprise me to see more roster deletions and additions this week.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 27, 2019, 04:59:20 PM
Congratulations Zach Greenberg former Grant Park Pirate and Minnesota Crookston Golden Eagles long snapper, on signing with the Bombers.   So proud of you Zack!!, I  knew your were going to make it one day.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2019, 05:08:23 PM
When did they cut Remple?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 27, 2019, 05:36:40 PM
When did they cut Remple?

This video is hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyK1wkzmKQc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyK1wkzmKQc)





Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 27, 2019, 05:39:00 PM
Congratulations Zach Greenberg former Grant Park Pirate and Minnesota Crookston Golden Eagles long snapper, on signing with the Bombers.   So proud of you Zack!!, I  knew your were going to make it one day.
Needed a backup LS


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 05:41:56 PM
Remple is the best in the business. OTOH he's 37 years old. I am wondering if it's time to move on to a younger player.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 27, 2019, 05:48:32 PM
Must not be too many posters attending TC. We're not really getting much information from anybody including the coaches. Just general stuff.

We have a bunch of new receivers and DB's competing but haven't really heard a lot about most. A few comments about Bailey, Nelson, Whitehead and Washington. Haven't heard anything about receivers: Hazel, Hubert, Johnson, Lawler, Walker or Wilson.

Information is a very subjective term. In the past, we have had some very opinionated and sometimes fictitious TC reports. Others have been great as well. However, it can be tough to know which TC reports are studs or duds. I have seen numerous TC reports spark arguments because two posters saw things very differently. That's not to say it wouldn't be nice to have a few more reports, just that you shouldn't really put much stock in them either. Therefore, if have multiple a day, or none, I am fine with it.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 27, 2019, 05:49:08 PM
Remple is the best in the business. OTOH he's 37 years old. I am wondering if it's time to move on to a younger player.
Meh. His age isn't too worrisome. That being said, if hes making a high salary for a LS, maybe moving on could happen. But I have no quarrels having him here. Ideally if he were to be replaced it would be with someone like Tanner Doll, who was a linebacker who also long snapped. It gives more more STs flexibility


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 27, 2019, 05:53:27 PM
Longsnappers have incredible career longevity. It ranks right up there with kickers.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 05:54:25 PM
Meh. His age isn't too worrisome. That being said, if hes making a high salary for a LS, maybe moving on could happen. But I have no quarrels having him here. Ideally if he were to be replaced it would be with someone like Tanner Doll, who was a linebacker who also long snapped. It gives more more STs flexibility

It's not a direct concern but salary might be an issue. Not sure what he earns but obviously more than ELC.

That said age is always part of the equation. A LS has to rush downfield on the cover teams and eventually he'll slow down be less effective.  Is this the year we replace him? Probably not but he may get pushed harder to see if it should be. Singing another LS is interesting.

Hard to dispute his talent as a LS though.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 27, 2019, 05:55:04 PM
Remple is the best in the business. OTOH he's 37 years old. I am wondering if it's time to move on to a younger player.

Your first sentence answers the question you asked earlier. If you are the best in the business then age doesn't matter. Especially at a position where the wheels don't fall off very quickly.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 05:59:39 PM
Longsnappers have incredible career longevity. It ranks right up there with kickers.

Very true. I mentioned Medlock in other strings as a possible surprise cut more or less. If the global player shows well and makes the AR we might see a change.

The global player's salary doesn't count against SMS. Let's say Medlock earns $160K and we replace him with Whitehead as a DI for $55K?  We would benefit from a kicker 9 years younger, sheltered salary, SMS savings and being able to add another import as a DI.

Now this is only possible if the global kicker is anywhere close to being as good. Chances are he's not but fans in Ottawa probably thought Ward wouldn't be any good as rookie either.

So I don't expect either to not make the roster but I would understand why a change might be made if it happened.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 06:02:10 PM
Your first sentence answers the question you asked earlier. If you are the best in the business then age doesn't matter. Especially at a position where the wheels don't fall off very quickly.

Yes but the 2nd statement is also relevant. We don't know what he makes or whether the team will need to make some changes due to SMS probabilities. Small increase in the 2019 SMS might have some consequences yet.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 27, 2019, 06:04:04 PM
Not sure what is going on with Remple but yes he is very good at what he does. Maybe wanted to secure Greenberg for the future.  Greenberg is a very good long snapper and is a friend of my son.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 27, 2019, 06:07:29 PM
Meh. His age isn't too worrisome. That being said, if hes making a high salary for a LS, maybe moving on could happen. But I have no quarrels having him here. Ideally if he were to be replaced it would be with someone like Tanner Doll, who was a linebacker who also long snapped. It gives more more STs flexibility

Actually DJ Lalama was long snapping I heard.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 06:14:21 PM
Not sure what is going on with Remple but yes he is very good at what he does. Maybe wanted to secure Greenberg for the future.  Greenberg is a very good long snapper and is a friend of my son.

The issue is whether there is a roster spot for another LS. It may come down to either or unless Greenberg is willing to take a PR spot. Not suggesting Remple needs to be replaced but changes are not just a matter of what needs to be done.

Roster size, ratio, SMS, age and injury history are part of every decision.

Some have made arguments that we should have kept Dressler or Randle for example. Older players on the downside with bigger contracts. It's just part of the business to manage the SMS and move younger players into the roster.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2019, 06:17:19 PM
Do we want to us a PR spot for a guy that only long snaps??


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
Do we want to us a PR spot for a guy that only long snaps??

Probably not.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2019, 06:36:59 PM
So at the end of the day if Remple's contract is with in reason, and he hasn't lost a step, the bombers are looking at Zach for the future. The bomber probably need another long snapper to take a bit of the TC work load off of Remple.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 27, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
The issue is whether there is a roster spot for another LS. It may come down to either or unless Greenberg is willing to take a PR spot. Not suggesting Remple needs to be replaced but changes are not just a matter of what needs to be done.

Roster size, ratio, SMS, age and injury history are part of every decision.

Some have made arguments that we should have kept Dressler or Randle for example. Older players on the downside with bigger contracts. It's just part of the business to manage the SMS and move younger players into the roster.

I don?t known anything about contracts and what practice roster players make, guessing under a $1000 a week. Zach signed a  contract for way more than that suggesting Bombers are very serious about him.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: the paw on May 27, 2019, 07:32:10 PM
I don?t known anything about contracts and what practice roster players make, guessing under a $1000 a week. Zach signed a  contract for way more than that suggesting Bombers are very serious about him.

He would sign for the league minimum contract (now $53k, up to $65k next year), but if he goes on the PR he will get paid less.  So I don't think you can take it as an indicator that they are more or less serious about him.  Our LS is 37, so you want to take a look. If nothing else, you want a guy on speed dial in case of injury. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2019, 07:35:03 PM
I think a rookie salary is about $56,000 per year. So are you says that Remple will be cut before the end of training camp.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: the paw on May 27, 2019, 07:43:44 PM
I think a rookie salary is about $56,000 per year. So are you says that Remple will be cut before the end of training camp.

Not at all.  I am saying that just because they signed Greenberg to a salary higher than practice roster pay, it doesn't mean they expect him to beat anyone out.  It's just how salaries are administered.

It is almost certain that at the end of camp Rempel will be our long snapper, Greenberg will be released, but Walters will have his phone number in the rolodex just in case.  And if he does well in camp, expect Greenberg to get invited back to training camp next year. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 27, 2019, 07:54:51 PM
He would sign for the league minimum contract (now $53k, up to $65k next year), but if he goes on the PR he will get paid less.  So I don't think you can take it as an indicator that they are more or less serious about him.  Our LS is 37, so you want to take a look. If nothing else, you want a guy on speed dial in case of injury. 

Thanks for clarifying that.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 27, 2019, 07:57:16 PM
I think a rookie salary is about $56,000 per year. So are you says that Remple will be cut before the end of training camp.

Signed for $54,000


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 27, 2019, 09:15:38 PM
Signed for $54,000

The reality is so did about 30 CFL rookies sign similar deals. We have 92 or 93 players in TC. After the cut down we'll probably have about 60 including the PR.

Whether he survives the cuts it's impossible to tell. Somebody did mention if he is only a LS he might not beat out more versatile players going onto the PR.

So good luck to him. I hope he does well and can become an excellent player. If he does it this year all the better.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 28, 2019, 02:14:07 AM
Going into year 7. We're a playoff team now who has won 1 playoff game and that was against a team without their starting QB. How many more years of patience should we have IF we don't win a playoff game this year?

Makes much more sense to live in the present tense.  This club is good.  Move on, forget the past.  It blinds you from the present.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Jockitch on May 28, 2019, 02:43:13 AM
caught a bit of today's workout & some fine catches by Demski, Lawler (had a nice day), Darvin A.(who was real good), Hazel, Bailey & we saw a real good catch on
a long ball from Strev to #70 Schrot.
Harris was looking smooth as ever out of the backfield.   Feel the Global kicker, who I've seen on 3 days, is soooo inconsistent

Lucky W. fielded a punt & broke backwards, a no-no usually, but then turned on his jets & made it around the corner & went all the way.  SOOOOO FAST !!

Hardrick, Neufeld, Mathews, Washington & Winston Rose were a few who I recognized/remembered that were non participants


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 28, 2019, 02:52:50 AM
Good to hear Lawler had a good day. Bailey continues making a good impression..

Doesn't sound like the import kicker is going to stick even on the PR at this point if he's that inconsistent every day.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2019, 04:15:09 AM
caught a bit of today's workout & some fine catches by Demski, Lawler (had a nice day), Darvin A.(who was real good), Hazel, Bailey & we saw a real good catch on
a long ball from Strev to #70 Schrot.
Harris was looking smooth as ever out of the backfield.   Feel the Global kicker, who I've seen on 3 days, is soooo inconsistent

Lucky W. fielded a punt & broke backwards, a no-no usually, but then turned on his jets & made it around the corner & went all the way.  SOOOOO FAST !!

Hope running sideways is not his best move as it may work a couple of times but once ST's scheme for it they'll cut off his escape route almost every time.  The list is long of fast returners that have not succeeded because they juked and jived looking for a hole (Demski-ish) and didn't cut up field fast enough.  Can't hit a home run every time, better to go for the consistent double. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 28, 2019, 06:12:39 AM
This video is hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyK1wkzmKQc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyK1wkzmKQc)

Pretty good!  Next year they'll need to do the Holy Grail "I'm not dead yet!" clip.  I'm more amazed that someone had the time to whip that up!

Meh. His age isn't too worrisome. That being said, if hes making a high salary for a LS, maybe moving on could happen. But I have no quarrels having him here. Ideally if he were to be replaced it would be with someone like Tanner Doll, who was a linebacker who also long snapped. It gives more more STs flexibility

I bet Rempel is not making much.  Probably the same as any 5+ year NAT STer.  I think Rempel is just glad to be here.

And he's my fave ST player!  Really.  I don't recall a single botched snap in '18, and not '17 either?  How many teams can say their LS didn't botch a single snap.  Betcha Meddy loves CR.  And CR's in great shape for 37.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 28, 2019, 03:17:12 PM
Age, or not, unless this new kid is a clearly better snapper than Rempel (which is highly unlikely) he will not win the job. This is not much different than when the Bombers signed hometown kid Matechuk to compete with Cvetty a few years ago. Just a chance for this kid to get his feet wet but no realistic chance of winning the job.
Unless Rempel plans of retiring after this year, the chances of seeing this kid play with the Bombers any time soon are remote.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Waffler on May 28, 2019, 03:52:40 PM
Rempel is 38 as of May 23. Let the kid learn from him and if he is good enough, he will have the job soon enough.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on May 28, 2019, 04:20:46 PM
Hope running sideways is not his best move as it may work a couple of times but once ST's scheme for it they'll cut off his escape route almost every time.  The list is long of fast returners that have not succeeded because they juked and jived looking for a hole (Demski-ish) and didn't cut up field fast enough.  Can't hit a home run every time, better to go for the consistent double. 

Maybe, If the cover team is terrified of you getting the edge, there'll be wider seams between them.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 28, 2019, 04:29:35 PM
KR/PRs should not run backwards, but that does not mean it can't be successful occasionally. More often than not it results in lot of running with poor results. It is nice to have a guy that can attack the edge and keep the other teams STs honest though.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on May 28, 2019, 05:38:01 PM
KR/PRs should not run backwards, but that does not mean it can't be successful occasionally. More often than not it results in lot of running with poor results. It is nice to have a guy that can attack the edge and keep the other teams STs honest though.
Yeah, if Whitehead just did  it once in practice, it's fine. Its if that's what his every.move is that I'd be worried.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2019, 05:51:00 PM
K.O. returns last year were less than special, I don't know if the blocking schemes or the returners were to blame but they definitely lacked the creativity shown in previous years.  I was half hoping O'Shea would dump Boudreau in the off-season and take the ST coord. job back on himself. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on May 28, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
IMO, Fogg doing FT duty took some of the steam out of his returns. Who knows, could have been a personnel issue as well. Not sure why things didn't work out so well last year.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 28, 2019, 06:36:51 PM
Pretty good!  Next year they'll need to do the Holy Grail "I'm not dead yet!" clip.  I'm more amazed that someone had the time to whip that up!

I bet Rempel is not making much.  Probably the same as any 5+ year NAT STer.  I think Rempel is just glad to be here.

And he's my fave ST player!  Really.  I don't recall a single botched snap in '18, and not '17 either?  How many teams can say their LS didn't botch a single snap.  Betcha Meddy loves CR.  And CR's in great shape for 37.


Rempel is making very good money.  Might be shocking to some on here how much he is being paid. I highly doubt the Bombers will do something for this year, but next year might be a different story.  Salary cap might work against him. Age is not a real factor I believe at LS.  No matter what i highly doubt that Greenberg will stick but he did have interest from other teams.  Remember next year Halifax is coming.  This kid will play pro ball somewhere whether here or somewhere else, he is that good.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on May 28, 2019, 06:50:02 PM
Rempel is making very good money.  Might be shocking to some on here how much he is being paid. I highly doubt the Bombers will do something for this year, but next year might be a different story.  Salary cap might work against him. Age is not a real factor I believe at LS.  No matter what i highly doubt that Greenberg will stick but he did have interest from other teams.  Remember next year Halifax is coming.  This kid will play pro ball somewhere whether here or somewhere else, he is that good.

Halifax isn't coming next year.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 28, 2019, 07:24:56 PM
I was at training camp for the last hour of practice today and here are my observations.

Streveler did not have a great practice imo.  He was erratic on some throws. and the kid has to learn to hang in the pocket.  Too many times today for no reason he panicked and scrambled. I thought he had learned something from last year as you can't keep bailing out. He did make some throws, one was a beautiful strike to Dylan Schrot who went way up to snag the ball over the middle. He threw a stirke to Lucky Whitehead who dived for the ball in the middle of the field.    On the other hand Nichols continues to shine although he had a few bad balls and was frustrated with himself.  I thought Bennett had terrific practice, the guy sits in the pocket and delivers a beautiful ball.  Had many completions on the button.

While I was there Brady Oliveria did nothing much. and was stuffed on several plays by the defense and looked rather ordinary. He needs to work on his blocking I feel.   It's one thing running through players with no pads but today was a different story.  Let's pump the brakes on the kid he is raw and has a way to go still but has so much potential and a great person.  

Love the enthusiasm of Hardrick the guy is fun to watch always jumping and dancing on field. Lucky  to have this guy and his character on this team.

As far as Dline vs Oline not much to talk about.  Passes were mostly short to mid range and out of the Qb's hand rather quick. I noticed on several plays that the Defense used a 30 front.  For those that don't know what that is it's rushing and lining up only 3 Defensive Lineman.  I am not sure if they used that formation last year as I can't recall.  Willie Jefferson will be used in many positions.  On one play he moved back and took a Linebacker position.   On another play was lined up at DE and shifted quickly to the DT spot. It will be exciting watching him this year along with the entire Dline. They are going to make some noise.

Chris Mathews not sure if injured, but most likely was given the day off today as he was watching from the sidelines.

Kenny Walker continues to shine as he had a good day making several catches. Kenny Lawler was making plays out there also.  Didn't notice Corey Washington but they had he return punts today.

Abu Conteh DB with tight coverage, made a nice play as he stuck his hand in diving at receiver and knocking the ball and man down.  Sorry didn't get the Receivers # on that play.

John Santiago made a nice catch and run down sideline from a pass from Nichols.  The man has good speed.  Nichols made a nice throw to Simonize who went up for the ball 30 yards downfield.  Petermann I only saw him make 1 grab from Nichols over the middle.

Bombers offense was practicing plays from the Defense 5 yard line.  On one play Nichols hit Harris with a TD pass.  Nichols also hit Bailey with a 5 yard out for a TD.  

Connor Griffiths sacked Nichols from the 5 yard line

Strevler from the 5 yard line scambled for the TD. Who doesn't know what the play is when he is at the 5 LOL.

Nichols on a corner route to the end of end zone missed Kenny Walker as Gaitor was all over him, superb coverage.

I thought Fenner looked real good making some plays and providing tough coverage.  He picked off one during the practice.

Zach Greenberg had like 12 to 15 reps long snapping on Punt specials .Other than 1 that was high and another at knee level he was flawless.  Got the ball back very quickly and accurately.

Thats what I noticed but like I said I only saw the last 1 hr of the practice.







Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 28, 2019, 07:27:40 PM
Halifax isn't coming next year.

Sorry you are right,  I right was given wrong info.  Not up with what is happening in Atlantic Canada


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 28, 2019, 07:37:58 PM
I was at training camp for the last hour of practice today and here are my observations.

Thanks so much for the updates! Glad to have them sitting here at work.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on May 28, 2019, 07:46:12 PM
Nice update PurpleR.

Thanks.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: floyd on May 29, 2019, 02:24:19 AM
Very nice update PurpleReign - thanks


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: ModAdmin on May 29, 2019, 03:01:58 AM
Notes from Camp | Day 10 Recap - Ed Tait

Just three more sleeps until the Bombers meet the Edmonton Eskimos in Friday's preseason game at IG Field. In the meantime the club continues the grind of training camp. Here are our daily collection of notes and quotes from Monday?s session...
PATIENT MAN:

Kyrie Wilson has been here before, on the cusp of a starting job, only to have the opportunity vanish. A year ago Wilson was pegged as the leading candidate for the middle linebacker job, only to see the club sign Adam Bighill just a few days before camp.

And now with Jovan Santos-Knox having signed in Edmonton as a free agent this winter, Wilson is seen as the front-runner for the weak-side linebacker spot. But the 26-year-old Californian knows better now than to take anything for granted.

"Camp's being going good, just going to work every day, asking the right questions, staying in the book and every day taking it one day at a time and just keep grinding, keep pushing no matter what," said Wilson after practice on Tuesday.

Wilson started in both playoff games last November after Santos-Knox was injured, and played well. But after two years of primarily working on the practice roster, he was asked  how he has stayed patient throughout

"To tell you the truth, it's just my faith with God and knowing that everything is going to work out for the best." said Wilson. "I just kept praying, just kept believing and just kept grinding because sooner or later it?s all going to pay off... The door is open, but I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'll just get ready for when my time will come."

Here's Bombers head coach Mike O'Shea on Wilson:

"You see it in practice. He gets shot out of a cannon pretty well on every play. It's unbelievable. And then when he got to play at the end of last year he had some very physical plays, too, besides the speed plays. So, he's going to fit in fine.

"You can't really replace experience, but Adam does such a great job in communicating and that's where Kyrie or whoever is playing beside Adam will easily pick that up. He's going to be communicating the entire play."

WHO?S UP FIRST?

Coach O'Shea isn't one to tip his hand, but the Bombers boss was asked who might start at quarterback in Friday's home preseason game against the Edmonton Eskimos.

"I'm pretty sure it will be Matt (Nichols)," he said, "But I've got to sit down with Matt and ask him what he thinks he needs and how that marries with what we think he needs."

The Bombers have four quarterbacks in camp in Nichols, Chris Streveler, Bryan Bennett and Sean McGuire. With Nichols and Streveler locked in at 1-2, the main drama unfolding at that spot on the depth chart will be whether McGuire can unseat Bennett.

O'Shea offered this Wednesday when asked what he is looking for from the third-string pivot:

"All three quarterbacks have to be able to step in and win us a game. You're looking for a guy who on limited reps can come in and execute, because that's the unfortunate fact - we?re just not going to give them the reps that they may need to feel that they're going to be successful.

"You need a guy with the mindset that says, 'I can take the reps on the back end without the ball in my hand, I can take the reps in meetings, I can take the reps with the playbook, see it on film and when I get in I'm going to execute."

WELCOME ABOARD:


The Bombers added one and dropped one on Wednesday. Coming aboard is long-snapper Zach Greenberg, a Winnipeg product who attended Grant Park High School before heading to Minnesota-Crookston. Released was defensive back Rannell Hall.......

You read the rest of Ed Tait's article here! (http://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/28/notes-camp-day-10-recap/)



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 29, 2019, 05:09:45 AM
Love the enthusiasm of Hardrick the guy is fun to watch always jumping and dancing on field. Lucky  to have this guy and his character on this team.

Great report, Purple, thanks!  Hardrick is money, on and off field.  Hardrick has those crazy fire eyes, and you know he's just lovin' it every play.  You just know Harris and Nichols love having him and Bryant secure the edges.  And you gotta believe it's darn hard for Lapo and Harris to decide which monster they are going to get behind tearing down the field.

I must say Bryant really stepped up when Hardrick was wounded, took me by surprise, and we really have the best O tackles in the league.  It was even better with Bond in there, but you can't have everything, I guess.

Here's to this year's OL, may they get the job done.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 29, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
Great report, Purple, thanks!  Hardrick is money, on and off field.  Hardrick has those crazy fire eyes, and you know he's just lovin' it every play.  You just know Harris and Nichols love having him and Bryant secure the edges.  And you gotta believe it's darn hard for Lapo and Harris to decide which monster they are going to get behind tearing down the field.

I must say Bryant really stepped up when Hardrick was wounded, took me by surprise, and we really have the best O tackles in the league.  It was even better with Bond in there, but you can't have everything, I guess.

Here's to this year's OL, may they get the job done.


When Bond was signed it brought our Oline to another level, unfortunately like you said we can?t sign everyone. Losing Gossen and Chung were huge losses for this team. It left a very big void for us to fill. Fortunately we signed Gray last year who will step in this year, and hopefully the drop off from Chung on the online won?t be that great. Asotui Eli was possibly the steal of the draft and will be a gem for us if not this year then next year for sure. I was very excited the Bombers drafted Drew Desjarlais who I had the pleasure to watch in the OUA. Unfortunately he played on Windsor who isn?t a very good team and finished at the bottom of the league. Their run game was not very good, but Drew was like they say a nasty player on run plays. Many times pancaking the opposing player to the ground. He is a much better run blocker than pass blocker but he will get there. I have to give Walters and rest of the front office staff props for doing a terrific job in replacing Gossen and Chung. Like the rest of us in here I can?t wait for the season to start. Going to be a fun year.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 29, 2019, 11:34:19 PM
When Bond was signed it brought our Oline to another level, unfortunately like you said we can?t sign everyone. Losing Gossen and Chung were huge losses for this team. It left a very big void for us to fill. Fortunately we signed Gray last year who will step in this year, and hopefully the drop off from Chung on the online won?t be that great. Asotui Eli was possibly the steal of the draft and will be a gem for us if not this year then next year for sure. I was very excited the Bombers drafted Drew Desjarlais who I had the pleasure to watch in the OUA. Unfortunately he played on Windsor who isn?t a very good team and finished at the bottom of the league. Their run game was not very good, but Drew was like they say a nasty player on run plays. Many times pancaking the opposing player to the ground. He is a much better run blocker than pass blocker but he will get there. I have to give Walters and rest of the front office staff props for doing a terrific job in replacing Gossen and Chung. Like the rest of us in here I can?t wait for the season to start. Going to be a fun year.

Growing pains on the OL this year and a solid group for years to come if we play our cards right.  Game is won in the trenches and ours are very deep.  Gotta stay healthy on both sides of the line.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: RebusRankin on May 30, 2019, 12:20:45 AM
While I do expect OL growing pains, we do have the best tackle duo in the CFL to offer support and a pretty solid vet in Patty Neufeld.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 30, 2019, 12:55:17 AM
While I do expect OL growing pains, we do have the best tackle duo in the CFL to offer support and a pretty solid vet in Patty Neufeld.

Yup they will anchor us very well.  Need the vets to stay healthy and the younger guys to learn quick.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Marni on May 30, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
I just have to say that I have never seen so much talent on the field at one time before! These guys looked amazing


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 31, 2019, 11:32:14 AM
I just have to say that I have never seen so much talent on the field at one time before! These guys looked amazing

This bomber club will be amazing, coaches, players and management all coming together.

Patience pays off.  The core is there to build something special.  All we need is the OL and secondary to gel we shall be very good.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on May 31, 2019, 12:34:51 PM
This bomber club will be amazing, coaches, players and management all coming together.

Patience pays off.  The core is there to build something special.  All we need is the OL and secondary to gel we shall be very good.

Winston Rose on the corner from what I have seen of him in training camp was a good acquisition for us. I think our secondary will be just fine.  If you have a great DL like we do this year with the acquisition of Willie Jefferson, then the secondary doesn't have to be lights out.  We will get enough pressure on the Qb.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 03, 2019, 07:24:24 PM
A few updates from today:

@DarrinBauming
Mike Jones getting the shoulder tap to work with the #Bombers first-team D today, on the corner. Projected starter Winston Rose has missed the last seven days of camp.

@DarrinBauming
Kenny Lawler picks up where he left off Friday night, cruising past Tyneil Cooper on a skinny-post for a 73-yard TD off the arm of Matt Nichols.

@DarrinBauming
Brady Oliveira has been excused by the #Bombers for personal reasons. Been away since playing in Friday?s preseason game. Sounds like his availability for Thursday?s game in Regina is in question.

@DarrinBauming
Matt Nichols will play this Thursday night after not suiting up in the #Bombers preseason opener. How much? Will depends on a few things. Nichols admits he wants the whole game, but he won?t get it. O?Shea spoke to the importance of snaps over series? ? likely a fluid decision.

DarrinBauming
#Bombers receiver/returner Charles Nelson suffered an injury in practice yesterday. He was MIA today as he gets his health assessed. Appears doubtful for Thursday?s preseason finale against the #Riders.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: thunderNlightning on June 03, 2019, 08:27:49 PM
A few updates from today:

@DarrinBauming
Mike Jones getting the shoulder tap to work with the #Bombers first-team D today, on the corner. Projected starter Winston Rose has missed the last seven days of camp.

@DarrinBauming
Kenny Lawler picks up where he left off Friday night, cruising past Tyneil Cooper on a skinny-post for a 73-yard TD off the arm of Matt Nichols.

@DarrinBauming
Brady Oliveira has been excused by the #Bombers for personal reasons. Been away since playing in Friday?s preseason game. Sounds like his availability for Thursday?s game in Regina is in question.

@DarrinBauming
Matt Nichols will play this Thursday night after not suiting up in the #Bombers preseason opener. How much? Will depends on a few things. Nichols admits he wants the whole game, but he won?t get it. O?Shea spoke to the importance of snaps over series? ? likely a fluid decision.

DarrinBauming
#Bombers receiver/returner Charles Nelson suffered an injury in practice yesterday. He was MIA today as he gets his health assessed. Appears doubtful for Thursday?s preseason finale against the #Riders.

That's concerning.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 03, 2019, 08:45:31 PM
wonder why Nichols didn't suit up and play at home against Edmonton's 2's and 3+'s? Now wants the whole game this week?  should we be concerned?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 03, 2019, 08:55:24 PM
Too bad about Nelson....but if he is nicked he may hit the IR and he and Whitehead will get a bit longer of a look each.

Mike Jones and Este IMO both looked good, I would bet they both get some serious time. Hopefully Rose is better soon.



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 03, 2019, 08:57:03 PM
Too bad about Nelson....but if he is nicked he may hit the IR and he and Whitehead will get a bit longer of a look each.

Mike Jones and Este IMO both looked good, I would bet they both get some serious time. Hopefully Rose is better soon.


Boynton looked good too. One interesting thing is that Rios is still on roster. If he was hurt for good one would think he would just get cut. I heard good things of him at TC. IR candidate?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 03, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
I forgot yes Boynton also showed some promise


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 03, 2019, 09:18:25 PM
Anyone here know who was getting reps at receiver, other than Lawler?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 03, 2019, 10:57:29 PM
Anyone here know who was getting reps at receiver, other than Lawler?

Lawler, Walker, and Peterman had the most catches, 4, 3, and 3 respectfully... Lawler by far had the most targets... overall passing we were 16/31 for just a tick over 200 yards...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
Lawler, Walker, and Peterman had the most catches, 4, 3, and 3 respectfully... Lawler by far had the most targets... overall passing we were 16/31 for just a tick over 200 yards...

Washington and Bailey better get back in there or they're going to find themselves out of the running.



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 03, 2019, 11:33:01 PM
I'd be fine with starting Petermann... let him and Simonise get some game experience...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 04, 2019, 01:55:01 AM
That's concerning.

very


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: PurpleReign on June 04, 2019, 02:12:19 AM
I'd be fine with starting Petermann... let him and Simonise get some game experience...
Pettermann yes, but Simonise I don't know what is wrong with him.  Just not playing as good as he should be.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 04:56:49 AM
Pettermann yes, but Simonise I don't know what is wrong with him.  Just not playing as good as he should be.
I heard he was doing fine in practice. Honestly I just question our development of players, especially if Jones loses to Hecht.

The following canadians were drafted by us and started/made an impact and became "sure thing" starters:

Chungh
Loffler
Goossen
Wolitarsky
Thomas

Couture and Jones could start this year. Thomas was here before MOS and co.

Of those 5, Chungh and Loffler started in their first year and Goossen in his second. Wolitarsky was brought in mid year and started his first full season.

I've said if before but I'll say it again: our canadians need more opportunities especially in the preseason. How are we supposed to know what we have if they never get games reps? Loffler only started his rookie year cuz Macho Harris got hurt.

I've mentioned it before, but Hecht starting a meaningless game when Loffler was out in lieu of Conteh is an example. It seems as if theres 0 effort in putting our drafted canadians in games and seeing what they have. Sure the majority are career STers, but what if they aren't?

I was super disappointed last week watching guys like Chris Hubert and Garrett Johnson play a bunch and waiting until mid 4th quarter for Petermann or Simonise to come on. Or watching Hecht get trucked by a running back and see him play a half and see Conteh get maybe 2 series at a secondary position he probably will never get a fair shot at


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 04, 2019, 06:05:45 AM
True Loffler got to because Macho got injured. However Loffler looked better than Macho in TC.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: NewBlue on June 04, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
I heard he was doing fine in practice. Honestly I just question our development of players, especially if Jones loses to Hecht.

The following canadians were drafted by us and started/made an impact and became "sure thing" starters:

Chungh
Loffler
Goossen
Wolitarsky
Thomas

Couture and Jones could start this year. Thomas was here before MOS and co.

Of those 5, Chungh and Loffler started in their first year and Goossen in his second. Wolitarsky was brought in mid year and started his first full season.

I've said if before but I'll say it again: our canadians need more opportunities especially in the preseason. How are we supposed to know what we have if they never get games reps? Loffler only started his rookie year cuz Macho Harris got hurt.

I've mentioned it before, but Hecht starting a meaningless game when Loffler was out in lieu of Conteh is an example. It seems as if theres 0 effort in putting our drafted canadians in games and seeing what they have. Sure the majority are career STers, but what if they aren't?

I was super disappointed last week watching guys like Chris Hubert and Garrett Johnson play a bunch and waiting until mid 4th quarter for Petermann or Simonise to come on. Or watching Hecht get trucked by a running back and see him play a half and see Conteh get maybe 2 series at a secondary position he probably will never get a fair shot at

That's because Simonise & Petermann are pretty much guarenteed roster spots.  Hubert & Johnson were given a good look to see if they were worthy of keeping around...guess they failed that test.  Both those Canadian WR will get alot of chances to play at some point this year, in real games.  Their development will be fine.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: NewBlue on June 04, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Too bad about Nelson....but if he is nicked he may hit the IR and he and Whitehead will get a bit longer of a look each.

Mike Jones and Este IMO both looked good, I would bet they both get some serious time. Hopefully Rose is better soon.



I haven't heard much about Cooper yet, who I thought really impressed at times last year.  I wonder if any of these guys (Coleman, Este, Jones, Boynton, Rios) have passed him.  Although Cooper plays gritty, he is our smallest DB/HB.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: KINGCHARLES on June 04, 2019, 12:04:01 PM
Washington and Bailey better get back in there or they're going to find themselves out of the running.



I think theres too much hype behind Bailey from what i saw in TC. Lawler, Washington and Hazel all looked better.



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 04, 2019, 01:17:50 PM

Mike Sawatzky
@sawa14
 The #Bombers have released Canadian defensive back Abu Conteh. Chosen in the 3rd round, 23rd overall, in 2017 draft. #WFP

7:12 AM - Jun 4, 2019


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 01:23:43 PM
Mike Sawatzky
@sawa14
 The #Bombers have released Canadian defensive back Abu Conteh. Chosen in the 3rd round, 23rd overall, in 2017 draft. #WFP

7:12 AM - Jun 4, 2019
Waste of a pick. The guy never got a shot


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 04, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
He was released last year too. Didn't get a shot or just not good enough?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: The Zipp on June 04, 2019, 01:31:42 PM
Waste of a pick. The guy never got a shot

He got a shot every day he was a member of the team and practiced with them..


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: blue_or_die on June 04, 2019, 01:47:10 PM
Mike Sawatzky
@sawa14
 The #Bombers have released Canadian defensive back Abu Conteh. Chosen in the 3rd round, 23rd overall, in 2017 draft. #WFP

7:12 AM - Jun 4, 2019

Oh wow. So much for that...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 01:55:37 PM
He got a shot every day he was a member of the team and practiced with them..
Okay. He never got any game reps. Even in preseason games. 3rd rounders are still high enough picks, you should take someone you actually care about redeveloping



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: theaardvark on June 04, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
wonder why Nichols didn't suit up and play at home against Edmonton's 2's and 3+'s? Now wants the whole game this week?  should we be concerned?

He would have been protected by zero of our starting Oline.. no doubt he wanted to get out there and have the whole first preseason game, but was told No. 

Wanting the whole game with his starting Oline and all his Rec's makes perfect sense...  it is not like we have any questions to answer about who is going to start, adn any intel as to who is 2, 3 and 4 on the DC is probably being answered in practice, with a hope of none of them ever hitting the field...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: the paw on June 04, 2019, 02:15:48 PM
Okay. He never got any game reps. Even in preseason games. 3rd rounders are still high enough picks, you should take someone you actually care about redeveloping



You need to distinguish between you want to see and evaluate him, and the coaches need to evaluate him.  He's been on the team for 2 years, and dressed for 12 games last year.  The coaches obviously have concluded he isn't stronger than his competition.

Yes, he was a third round pick, but his football resume was thin and he wasn't able to stick.  It happens all the time.  


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 04, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
Okay. He never got any game reps. Even in preseason games. 3rd rounders are still high enough picks, you should take someone you actually care about redeveloping



He played in 14 games over two seasons in Winnipeg registering five special teams tackles.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
You need to distinguish between you want to see and evaluate him, and the coaches need to evaluate him.  He's been on the team for 2 years, and dressed for 12 games last year.  The coaches obviously have concluded he isn't stronger than his competition.

Yes, he was a third round pick, but his football resume was thin and he wasn't able to stick.  It happens all the time.  
Sure that's fair. Its disappointing though that a guy we took 2 picks before Tunde Adeleke and a round before Kwaku Boateng managed a whole 14 games. To be fair that's still better than Spooner and Ekakitie


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: the paw on June 04, 2019, 02:46:01 PM
Sure that's fair. Its disappointing though that a guy we took 2 picks before Tunde Adeleke and a round before Kwaku Boateng managed a whole 14 games. To be fair that's still better than Spooner and Ekakitie

About 2 years ago, i went through the whole CFL draft history and tried to assess the relationship between the round a guy was picked in, and his likely CFL career. 

As a general rule of thumb, with lots of exceptions, you find your starters in the first 2 rounds, along with some blue chip specialists, like full-backs.

Third round held an occasional starter, lots of special team guys who have careers of a decent length, and a ton of guys who hang around for a year or two. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on June 04, 2019, 04:37:13 PM
Sure that's fair. Its disappointing though that a guy we took 2 picks before Tunde Adeleke and a round before Kwaku Boateng managed a whole 14 games. To be fair that's still better than Spooner and Ekakitie

Abu was decent depth for a couple of years, I'd say he did about average for his draft position. I don't think he was a victim of any kind of football politics or poor development strategy.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 04:50:43 PM
Abu was decent depth for a couple of years, I'd say he did about average for his draft position. I don't think he was a victim of any kind of football politics or poor development strategy.
I guess I'm just disappointed that we never really got a feel for him as a player. Of course the coaching staff did but regardless our Canadian development hasn't been too good at producing starters


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 04, 2019, 05:40:21 PM
wonder why Nichols didn't suit up and play at home against Edmonton's 2's and 3+'s? Now wants the whole game this week?  should we be concerned?

Concerned about what? The fact O'Shea didn't want to play him in a week they needed to assess 100 players and virtually no veterans played for any significant amount of time?

Concerned that a pro player wants to play every snap of every game including pre -season?

No. There is nothing to be concerned about.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on June 04, 2019, 06:09:14 PM
I guess I'm just disappointed that we never really got a feel for him as a player. Of course the coaching staff did but regardless our Canadian development hasn't been too good at producing starters

How have they been bad?

Loffler - multiple year allstar
Chungh - multiple year allstar
Goosen - all star
Wolitarsky- excellent sophomore season 18 starts


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TheHypnotoad on June 04, 2019, 06:15:17 PM
Waste of a pick. The guy never got a shot

LOL very uneducated comments regarding CFL draft from you. Lots of drafted players never make the next step, ESPECIALLY picks from the third round onwards. A 3rd round pick spending 2 years on the roster is anything but a wasted pick. Spunds like he had ample opportunity to demonstrate he deserved he roster spot, but times up. Hindsight is 20/20, look back at any previous years draft and you'll find a better player picked at a later spot. LOL!!! Dumb argument!!!

By your standards there were 198 wasted picks before The Pats took Tom brady. Hope those loser gms got fired for that blunder in hindsight :LOL!!!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 04, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
I did notice Kerfalla Exume getting involved in the first pre-season game, perhaps the team sees more potential in him than Conteh.  The only thing I picked up about Conteh in all his time in B&G was that he had decent size and speed. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on June 04, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
How have they been bad?

Loffler - multiple year allstar
Chungh - multiple year allstar
Goosen - all star
Wolitarsky- excellent sophomore season 18 starts
Loffler - Gone
Chungh - Gone
Goosen - Gone

That leaves 1 starter left on the team since the Canadian Mafia took over.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 04, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
Mafia leaders are knocked off all the time. Plug and play with new Mafia members.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: RebusRankin on June 04, 2019, 08:15:35 PM
Loffler - Gone
Chungh - Gone
Goosen - Gone

That leaves 1 starter left on the team since the Canadian Mafia took over.

To be fair, Couture and Gray likely start this year so that's 2 + Wolitarsky which is 3 and Jones would be a 4th starter.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TheHypnotoad on June 04, 2019, 08:22:04 PM
Our 7 CDN starters are collectively one of the best groups in the league. Who cares if we drafted them or not. Wins don't count extra if you drafted your canandian starters...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on June 04, 2019, 08:24:07 PM
To be fair, Couture and Gray likely start this year so that's 2 + Wolitarsky which is 3 and Jones would be a 4th starter.
To be fair, we don't know how Couture and Gray will do as starters. If the TC reports and playing time are anything to go by, Hecht will get the starting safety spot.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 08:28:00 PM
How have they been bad?

Loffler - multiple year allstar
Chungh - multiple year allstar
Goosen - all star
Wolitarsky- excellent sophomore season 18 starts
Thats four. Two of whom were second overall picks


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 08:30:19 PM
LOL very uneducated comments regarding CFL draft from you. Lots of drafted players never make the next step, ESPECIALLY picks from the third round onwards. A 3rd round pick spending 2 years on the roster is anything but a wasted pick. Spunds like he had ample opportunity to demonstrate he deserved he roster spot, but times up. Hindsight is 20/20, look back at any previous years draft and you'll find a better player picked at a later spot. LOL!!! Dumb argument!!!

By your standards there were 198 wasted picks before The Pats took Tom brady. Hope those loser gms got fired for that blunder in hindsight :LOL!!!
Well no the whole class we got that year was a flub minus Gray. I agree hindsight is 50/50 but that class still sucked for us.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 04, 2019, 08:32:18 PM
Our 7 CDN starters are collectively one of the best groups in the league. Who cares if we drafted them or not. Wins don't count extra if you drafted your canandian starters...
Because Canadian starters don't grow on trees and aren't cheap. Its impossible to always carry more than 3 or 4 canadian starters if you want good ones.

Sure wins don't count extra. But may as well then scrap the draft entirely since it doesn't matter, right?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TheHypnotoad on June 04, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
You've got unrealistic expectaions for drafting. Every sports entry draft is a crapshoot, especially the cfl because the level of competition is so much higher from Usports to CFL. Other teams don't do much better. Many do much worse.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Jesse on June 05, 2019, 12:56:34 AM
Loffler - Gone
Chungh - Gone
Goosen - Gone

That leaves 1 starter left on the team since the Canadian Mafia took over.

Changing the conversation here.

He was talking about our development of players. Doesn't matter where they are now.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 05, 2019, 02:43:55 AM
Concerned about what? The fact O'Shea didn't want to play him in a week they needed to assess 100 players and virtually no veterans played for any significant amount of time?

Concerned that a pro player wants to play every snap of every game including pre -season?

No. There is nothing to be concerned about.

I don't know what, hence the question if we should be concerned...

well, based upon general conversation here by the majority that have spoke to the subject of preseason games... the consensus seems to be the home team generally plays their starters, or at least start them in that game and the visiting team tend to play their the players hoping to make the team... last week we were the home team, Darvin played... Harris played... as well as many others... no Nichols...

couple that with similar types of comments that starters generally never play more than a quarter of any preseason games... so, Nichols wanting to play the entire game, a road game where one is led to believe that the home team will be playing their starters...

and lastly, I didn't see anyway that Nichols indicated that he wanted to play last week, so no, not overly concerned since this specific pro player doesn't seem to fit your example...

but thanks for reassuring me that I have nothing to worry about... however, if he were to get hurt in the 4th quarter of this upcoming game, I expect to not hear any comments such as "why the hell was Nichols even in there, it was the 4th quarter of a freaking preseason game for gosh sakes"...


Aards: No, no question who #1 is, but see my first 2 comments as to why I asked... it was a legit question, it seemed odd as this doesn't seem to be the normal practice...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 05, 2019, 03:48:59 PM
Concerned about what? The fact O'Shea didn't want to play him in a week they needed to assess 100 players and virtually no veterans played for any significant amount of time?

Concerned that a pro player wants to play every snap of every game including pre -season?

No. There is nothing to be concerned about.

this thread seems to support my logic...  http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=51600.0 (http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=51600.0)


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: GCn19 on June 05, 2019, 04:22:18 PM
Changing the conversation here.

He was talking about our development of players. Doesn't matter where they are now.

Exactly. Saying we don't haven't developed NAT starters is a fallacy.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on June 05, 2019, 04:33:52 PM
Changing the conversation here.

He was talking about our development of players. Doesn't matter where they are now.
It does matter where they are. It also matters that our current group has only found 4 starters since they took over and they are having to replace 3 of those this year.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 05, 2019, 04:52:54 PM
It does matter where they are. It also matters that our current group has only found 4 starters since they took over and they are having to replace 3 of those this year.
This. I get that not all 3 leaving was in.our control but it's only been 4 starters in what, 6 or 7 years?

Sure guys like Gray and Desjarlais should be good but they were also first round picks, the expectation is that they are starters.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 05, 2019, 05:23:31 PM
It does matter where they are. It also matters that our current group has only found 4 starters since they took over and they are having to replace 3 of those this year.

If you want to apply that logic to your complaint/concern, in fairness you have to acknowledge trades or free agents we've picked up that are starters or impact players.

Andrew Harris good enough for you?
How about Pat Neufeld for Alex Hall and a 2nd round draftpick (which became Dylan Ainsworth, btw whodat?). Seems like sound use of "development assets" aka draft picks.
M Miller and Hecht are someone else's draft picks we scooped up, and I don't believe either is making big bucks, but they're making a big difference.
Demski had his best pro year BY FAR as a BB.


Our CDN content has gone from a complete farce to top tier under the Canadian Mafia. Gone are the days of starting Brock Ralph as a decoy receiver.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 05, 2019, 05:38:29 PM
If you want to apply that logic to your complaint/concern, in fairness you have to acknowledge trades or free agents we've picked up that are starters or impact players.

Andrew Harris good enough for you?
How about Pat Neufeld for Alex Hall and a 2nd round draftpick (which became Dylan Ainsworth, btw whodat?). Seems like sound use of "development assets" aka draft picks.
M Miller and Hecht are someone else's draft picks we scooped up, and I don't believe either is making big bucks, but they're making a big difference.
Demski had his best pro year BY FAR as a BB.


Our CDN content has gone from a complete farce to top tier under the Canadian Mafia. Gone are the days of starting Brock Ralph as a decoy receiver.
Hecht making a big difference? Not a good one most likely. Hes a 33 year old journeyman.

The issue though is it's impossible to afford paying 7 starting canadian FAs, at least good ones. As for the Alex Hall trade, that was a good one for us, yes.

Of course we have signed great Canadian players. But we signed them. We didn't develop them. We didn't save the money that coincides with rookie contracts. Other teams worked with them and we signed the finished product. Not the same thing


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on June 05, 2019, 05:42:03 PM
If you want to apply that logic to your complaint/concern, in fairness you have to acknowledge trades or free agents we've picked up that are starters or impact players.

Andrew Harris good enough for you?
How about Pat Neufeld for Alex Hall and a 2nd round draftpick (which became Dylan Ainsworth, btw whodat?). Seems like sound use of "development assets" aka draft picks.
M Miller and Hecht are someone else's draft picks we scooped up, and I don't believe either is making big bucks, but they're making a big difference.
Demski had his best pro year BY FAR as a BB.


Our CDN content has gone from a complete farce to top tier under the Canadian Mafia. Gone are the days of starting Brock Ralph as a decoy receiver.
We didn't develop Harris or Neufeld or Hecht or Miller. Maybe Demski, but he was already a starter with the Riders before we signed him.

I agree that the quality of our Canuck content has gone up since the Canadian Mafia took over, but they only drafted 1 starter every two years or so and they lost the best 3 of them this year. Just being a first round pick doesn't mean that much either. Waggoner (2nd overall supplemental pick) and Faith Ekatite (#1 Overall) were both busts.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 05, 2019, 05:45:57 PM
I don't know what, hence the question if we should be concerned...

well, based upon general conversation here by the majority that have spoke to the subject of preseason games... the consensus seems to be the home team generally plays their starters, or at least start them in that game and the visiting team tend to play their the players hoping to make the team... last week we were the home team, Darvin played... Harris played... as well as many others... no Nichols...

couple that with similar types of comments that starters generally never play more than a quarter of any preseason games... so, Nichols wanting to play the entire game, a road game where one is led to believe that the home team will be playing their starters...

and lastly, I didn't see anyway that Nichols indicated that he wanted to play last week, so no, not overly concerned since this specific pro player doesn't seem to fit your example...

but thanks for reassuring me that I have nothing to worry about... however, if he were to get hurt in the 4th quarter of this upcoming game, I expect to not hear any comments such as "why the hell was Nichols even in there, it was the 4th quarter of a freaking preseason game for gosh sakes"...


Aards: No, no question who #1 is, but see my first 2 comments as to why I asked... it was a legit question, it seemed odd as this doesn't seem to be the normal practice...

It's normal but not the rule. It's not normal to only have 1 normal starting OL available and only 1 normal starting receiver.

It was reported that Nichols wanted to play but it's easy to understand WHY he didn't.

It's also not unusual for him to want every snap this week. Nobody said that will happen. I doubt he gets more than 1 1/4 Q's. OTOH we're not playing very many starters this week either.

So who knows how that helps any starter get the rust off. Fortunately we have time before the 1st season game I suppose.

I don't see how the link you posted  about the game day string supports your argument in any way.

You see to want to create a problem where none exists. Go figure



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 05, 2019, 05:47:09 PM
Hecht making a big difference? Not a good one most likely. Hes a 33 year old journeyman.

The issue though is it's impossible to afford paying 7 starting canadian FAs, at least good ones. As for the Alex Hall trade, that was a good one for us, yes.

Of course we have signed great Canadian players. But we signed them. We didn't develop them. We didn't save the money that coincides with rookie contracts. Other teams worked with them and we signed the finished product. Not the same thing

You don't "save" money having a CDN ride the pine for 1 to 2 years.

That's my point with Demski. SK got no value out of their supposedly "cheap" rookie contract on him.

Or how about Henoc? Dude was a waste of space his rookie year.

And I still think it's completely two-faced to be mourning the loss of Loffler, Chungh & Goosen, but not be satisfied with the quality Nats we have picked up. Our starting CDN 7 is rock solid and as good as any team not named "Stampeders" over the last 5 years.


To top it all off, we have, what appears to be, quality home grown, drafted and developed replacements for the departures.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 05, 2019, 05:48:17 PM
Hecht making a big difference? Not a good one most likely. Hes a 33 year old journeyman.

The issue though is it's impossible to afford paying 7 starting canadian FAs, at least good ones. As for the Alex Hall trade, that was a good one for us, yes.

Of course we have signed great Canadian players. But we signed them. We didn't develop them. We didn't save the money that coincides with rookie contracts. Other teams worked with them and we signed the finished product. Not the same thing

Exactly. It's the SMS issue that impacts the rest of the roster. Kudos to signing Harris but we're paying him a lot of money. He's worth the money but that's not the entire point for example.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 05, 2019, 06:22:06 PM
You don't "save" money having a CDN ride the pine for 1 to 2 years.

That's my point with Demski. SK got no value out of their supposedly "cheap" rookie contract on him.

Or how about Henoc? Dude was a waste of space his rookie year.

And I still think it's completely two-faced to be mourning the loss of Loffler, Chungh & Goosen, but not be satisfied with the quality Nats we have picked up. Our starting CDN 7 is rock solid and as good as any team not named "Stampeders" over the last 5 years.


To top it all off, we have, what appears to be, quality home grown, drafted and developed replacements for the departures.
Sure you don't save money with them on the bench for two years. But you do if they start year 1 or 2 (or if it's a 3 year deal then year 3).

Sask didn't get value out of Demski, true. And that's their mistake. Sask also mostly sucked and sucks at developing canadians. You don't want to compare us to them.

I never said our starting Canadian 7 isn't good. No one said that. And no one said our Canadian FA signings aren't good. I applaud KW and co for getting some good local starters and building a good Canadian nucleus. But comparing the draft and FA is a waste of time. The idea behind the draft is to take young players who you believe you can find a role for and develop into a starter (at least in rounds 1 and 2). FA is when you sign mostly finished pieces that have a role.

We don't really.though. We have 1st round picks in Gray and Desjarlais that better become starters. Speller and Jones, I mean who knows.

There is nothing wrong with our Canadian group. But it's pretty much impossible to continue to just rely on FAs to fill 6 or 7 spots


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 05, 2019, 07:59:07 PM
Sure you don't save money with them on the bench for two years. But you do if they start year 1 or 2 (or if it's a 3 year deal then year 3).

Sask didn't get value out of Demski, true. And that's their mistake. Sask also mostly sucked and sucks at developing canadians. You don't want to compare us to them.

I never said our starting Canadian 7 isn't good. No one said that. And no one said our Canadian FA signings aren't good. I applaud KW and co for getting some good local starters and building a good Canadian nucleus. But comparing the draft and FA is a waste of time. The idea behind the draft is to take young players who you believe you can find a role for and develop into a starter (at least in rounds 1 and 2). FA is when you sign mostly finished pieces that have a role.

We don't really.though. We have 1st round picks in Gray and Desjarlais that better become starters. Speller and Jones, I mean who knows.

There is nothing wrong with our Canadian group. But it's pretty much impossible to continue to just rely on FAs to fill 6 or 7 spots

Look, I'm just saying Demski may as well have been drafted and developed by us. He represents the risk of "developing" a player for 2 or 3 years in this league. By the time they're useful, they have free reign to go where they want.

I also don't agree on your FA vs draft comment. FA can easily be the place to pick an all-star CDN, and the drafting is for all your B and C level CDNs. Why not do it that way?

Point is, our CDN content is solid. We draft some, we trade for some, we sign some. Who cares how we get there, it's irrelevant. I care about the end result, and a repeatable process.


Could the CDN Mafia be doing better in any of those areas? Sure. But I think they're performing above league average there.

There isn't a team in the league that routinely finds a starter out of their Round 1 and their Round 2 pick most draft years.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 05, 2019, 08:05:32 PM
Look, I'm just saying Demski may as well have been drafted and developed by us. He represents the risk of "developing" a player for 2 or 3 years in this league. By the time they're useful, they have free reign to go where they want.

I also don't agree on your FA vs draft comment. FA can easily be the place to pick an all-star CDN, and the drafting is for all your B and C level CDNs. Why not do it that way?

Point is, our CDN content is solid. We draft some, we trade for some, we sign some. Who cares how we get there, it's irrelevant. I care about the end result, and a repeatable process.


Could the CDN Mafia be doing better in any of those areas? Sure. But I think they're performing above league average there.

There isn't a team in the league that routinely finds a starter out of their Round 1 and their Round 2 pick most draft years.

We've already mentioned SMS as the main part of the reason. The other is that it's not totally repeatable.

We lost 3 top Canadians. Our 2019 draft picks MIGHT turn out to be starters in 2019. Or not. We aren't even sure if the D. Jones comments by coaching will turn out to be true or whether Hecht wins the job.

So those are potential down grades. All three may not be down grades but it's too early to say no problem either.

You can't always sign a top free agent even if one is available to replace one lost in free agency.

We have optimism which is fine. We'll see.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 05, 2019, 08:50:25 PM
We've already mentioned SMS as the main part of the reason. The other is that it's not totally repeatable.

We lost 3 top Canadians. Our 2019 draft picks MIGHT turn out to be starters in 2019. Or not. We aren't even sure if the D. Jones comments by coaching will turn out to be true or whether Hecht wins the job.

So those are potential down grades. All three may not be down grades but it's too early to say no problem either.

You can't always sign a top free agent even if one is available to replace one lost in free agency.

We have optimism which is fine. We'll see.

It's repeatable if KW is continually doing it. He's not a 1 trick pony either.

Westerman and Harris have been our superstar CDNs in KW era, and they have been absolutely dominant for the BB. We've drafted, traded, signed and developed our way to a very good stable of CDNs year in, year out.


We'll see how things play out, but I see justifiable reason to not be concerned about the quality of our CDNs.

It's secondary and at receiver I'm most skeptical about. Nichols isn't exactly a top echelon QB either. He has some real stinky games last year. Anyone else still having Banjo Bowl nightmares?



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 05, 2019, 09:39:01 PM
It's repeatable if KW is continually doing it. He's not a 1 trick pony either.

Westerman and Harris have been our superstar CDNs in KW era, and they have been absolutely dominant for the BB. We've drafted, traded, signed and developed our way to a very good stable of CDNs year in, year out.


We'll see how things play out, but I see justifiable reason to not be concerned about the quality of our CDNs.

It's secondary and at receiver I'm most skeptical about. Nichols isn't exactly a top echelon QB either. He has some real stinky games last year. Anyone else still having Banjo Bowl nightmares?



That's the point. We're replacing 3 all star Canadians. Couture and D. Jones look to be set to start and they aren't guaranteed to be successes. The next up past those 2 are either pure rookies or Hecht.

As of today you have to think our Canadian starters in 2018 were better. Whether that's true by game 6 perhaps not.

I'd argue KW hasn't been continually successful. More proven failures than proven successes.

Your point about the secondary and receivers proves you can't always rely on free agency with imports anymore than with Canadians. That's the question and I'm sure will be debated all season as we see whether we hold ground and advance ahead of our 2018 progress / results.

Reality is only the last 2 seasons in the playoffs, one playoff win in 2019.

I was optimistic last year. I'm optimistic this year, but I want to see the team meet the expectations.



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 03:05:51 AM
Look, I'm just saying Demski may as well have been drafted and developed by us. He represents the risk of "developing" a player for 2 or 3 years in this league. By the time they're useful, they have free reign to go where they want.

I also don't agree on your FA vs draft comment. FA can easily be the place to pick an all-star CDN, and the drafting is for all your B and C level CDNs. Why not do it that way?

Point is, our CDN content is solid. We draft some, we trade for some, we sign some. Who cares how we get there, it's irrelevant. I care about the end result, and a repeatable process.


Could the CDN Mafia be doing better in any of those areas? Sure. But I think they're performing above league average there.

There isn't a team in the league that routinely finds a starter out of their Round 1 and their Round 2 pick most draft years.
Sure Demski is an exception.

Why not just sign Canadian all stars? Because they don't grow on trees and teams just don't let them go.

Yeah our Canadian content is solid, no one said it wasn't. Keep in mind we have drafted 4 sure starters in 7 years and 2 of whom were first rounders. No teams are perfect but its okay to expect and wish our team drafted and developed better


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 06, 2019, 12:28:19 PM
Sure Demski is an exception.

Why not just sign Canadian all stars? Because they don't grow on trees and teams just don't let them go.

Yeah our Canadian content is solid, no one said it wasn't. Keep in mind we have drafted 4 sure starters in 7 years and 2 of whom were first rounders. No teams are perfect but its okay to expect and wish our team drafted and developed better


I'm just asking you then, to point out who's doing a better job at it. Please use specific names and years in your examples.


Other than Jon Hufnagel, I don't think you, or any of the worriers have an example for me. To which I say, you have an unreasonable expectation.

Nobody does what you guys are saying KW should be able to do year in, year out.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 02:15:20 PM

I'm just asking you then, to point out who's doing a better job at it. Please use specific names and years in your examples.


Other than Jon Hufnagel, I don't think you, or any of the worriers have an example for me. To which I say, you have an unreasonable expectation.

Nobody does what you guys are saying KW should be able to do year in, year out.
If you want an example ask for an example.

I'd say Ottawa, Hamilton and Calgary have consistently added starters in the first round, of course there are exceptions like Randy Colling and Karl Lavoie. Edmonton has taken more risks, aka NFL players but mid to late rounds they have added a lot of promising players.

No one expects KW to do anything "year in year out". What we are saying is our Canadian drafting and developing isn't as good as some say and that, if we want to keep having a solid corps of canadians then we gotta start drafting our own starters because signing FAs costs a lot of money, especially if they are proven Canadians


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Mike on June 06, 2019, 03:06:55 PM
Our Canadian drafting and developing is just fine if you don't have the expectation of perfection, in regards to longevity of a career as a Bomber or in regards to the timeline of development lining up with the timeline of departures.

I swear some of the people around here cling to the fact that there are question marks on our roster as a reason for criticism directed at our front office. What do you expect them to do? Sign every single player to lifetime contracts the day they're drafted?

The one that really makes me chuckle is Goossen. Everyone's acting like we lost him to a rival team. The guy retired ... you can't anticipate that, yet what has our front office done? Built depth at that position over the past couple of drafts so that we can be prepared as we'll ever be for something like that. We have a competitive battle going on at our centre position with a guy we drafted and a guy we scooped up as a UDFA ... plus there's Eli to provide depth beyond that. We're  not handing the job to anyone, we're having an open competition for it and does it come with question marks? Duh. But what do you want them to do? Force Goossen to not retire? The same thing happened with Calgary (except for the fact that they could see it coming) when Lavertu had to retire because of ongoing health issues, but nobody hops all over them and says Hufnagel isn't successful.

Everyone complains about Walters' ability to draft and develop, but let's look at the facts here. He's been in charge since 2014 - review the drafts, especially top end.

2014: You can say Goossen was the second most successful first round choice, sandwiched between Pruneau and Lavertu. Every other single player was a bust in every sense of the word. Goossen was also the only CFL All-Star from that entire draft.

2015: Chungh, again, probably the second most successful first round choice ... maybe the most successful, although I'll give McEwen the nod. Chungh also only one of three divisional all-stars (Mateas, McEwen) ... people bemoan Richards and Morgan in the second round, but look at the other busts there (spoiler: it's every other selection other than Lemar Durant)

2016: miss in the first round as we used a supplemental to take Waggoner who never panned out, but still managed to draft one of the 4 divisional all-stars in Loffler and again - look at the drafting in the first round ... St. John, Vaillancourt, Gagnon, Jones ... lots of busts there. Also came out of this draft with Couture, who looks to be a starter for us this year. Also .. this is a good time for me to question why everyone seems to give Walters a hard time for losing Loffler in FA but no one holds it against Hufnagel (AGAIN) that they lost Singleton.

2017: Probably the worst draft talent-wise (for the league) in the Walters era and in a draft of busts, he was no different - took Ekakitie first overall and has already lost him but let's check the rest of the first round ... Judge is a starter, Vandervoort is already cut, McGough sucks, Behar already on a new team, Colling already cut, Luke sucks, Gray set to be a likely starter (and let's not forget he was the #1 prospect in this class) and Johnson is a part-time starter. Overall an absolutely horrible draft.

2018: The Bombers have the best player from this draft as well and they burned a 3rd rounder to get him in Wolitarsky. The first overall pick won't even sign in this league, the rest of this draft falls somewhere between waiting on potential and absolutely terrible and no one other than Wolitarsky and maybe Rutherford have even stood out.

2019: not gonna waste my time speculating.

... if you don't feel like reading all that, let me summarize it for you: EVERY single team has swings and misses, EVERY single team loses their top round players, EVERY single team has had some horrendous picks but ONLY Walters has drafted well enough to say he's drafted a top 3 player in every single draft since he became a GM ... and that is pretty **** impressive and deserves some credit.

Seriously. Next time you wanna harp on our front office for their draft and develop track record, go compare it to some of the other front offices in this league. The top 3 since Walters has become GM are Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa (that's not in order, I'm not going to argue for or against that) AINEC. Better yet, go look at the Canadian rosters on every other team in the CFL and tell me which ones you'd take over Winnipeg. I'll wait.



Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 06, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
Our Canadian drafting and developing is just fine if you don't have the expectation of perfection, in regards to longevity of a career as a Bomber or in regards to the timeline of development lining up with the timeline of departures.

I swear some of the people around here cling to the fact that there are question marks on our roster as a reason for criticism directed at our front office. What do you expect them to do? Sign every single player to lifetime contracts the day they're drafted?

The one that really makes me chuckle is Goossen. Everyone's acting like we lost him to a rival team. The guy retired ... you can't anticipate that, yet what has our front office done? Built depth at that position over the past couple of drafts so that we can be prepared as we'll ever be for something like that. We have a competitive battle going on at our centre position with a guy we drafted and a guy we scooped up as a UDFA ... plus there's Eli to provide depth beyond that. We're  not handing the job to anyone, we're having an open competition for it and does it come with question marks? Duh. But what do you want them to do? Force Goossen to not retire? The same thing happened with Calgary (except for the fact that they could see it coming) when Lavertu had to retire because of ongoing health issues, but nobody hops all over them and says Hufnagel isn't successful.

Everyone complains about Walters' ability to draft and develop, but let's look at the facts here. He's been in charge since 2014 - review the drafts, especially top end.

2014: You can say Goossen was the second most successful first round choice, sandwiched between Pruneau and Lavertu. Every other single player was a bust in every sense of the word. Goossen was also the only CFL All-Star from that entire draft.

2015: Chungh, again, probably the second most successful first round choice ... maybe the most successful, although I'll give McEwen the nod. Chungh also only one of three divisional all-stars (Mateas, McEwen) ... people bemoan Richards and Morgan in the second round, but look at the other busts there (spoiler: it's every other selection other than Lemar Durant)

2016: miss in the first round as we used a supplemental to take Waggoner who never panned out, but still managed to draft one of the 4 divisional all-stars in Loffler and again - look at the drafting in the first round ... St. John, Vaillancourt, Gagnon, Jones ... lots of busts there. Also came out of this draft with Couture, who looks to be a starter for us this year. Also .. this is a good time for me to question why everyone seems to give Walters a hard time for losing Loffler in FA but no one holds it against Hufnagel (AGAIN) that they lost Singleton.

2017: Probably the worst draft talent-wise (for the league) in the Walters era and in a draft of busts, he was no different - took Ekakitie first overall and has already lost him but let's check the rest of the first round ... Judge is a starter, Vandervoort is already cut, McGough sucks, Behar already on a new team, Colling already cut, Luke sucks, Gray set to be a likely starter (and let's not forget he was the #1 prospect in this class) and Johnson is a part-time starter. Overall an absolutely horrible draft.

2018: The Bombers have the best player from this draft as well and they burned a 3rd rounder to get him in Wolitarsky. The first overall pick won't even sign in this league, the rest of this draft falls somewhere between waiting on potential and absolutely terrible and no one other than Wolitarsky and maybe Rutherford have even stood out.

2019: not gonna waste my time speculating.

... if you don't feel like reading all that, let me summarize it for you: EVERY single team has swings and misses, EVERY single team loses their top round players, EVERY single team has had some horrendous picks but ONLY Walters has drafted well enough to say he's drafted a top 3 player in every single draft since he became a GM ... and that is pretty **** impressive and deserves some credit.

Seriously. Next time you wanna harp on our front office for their draft and develop track record, go compare it to some of the other front offices in this league. The top 3 since Walters has become GM are Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa (that's not in order, I'm not going to argue for or against that) AINEC. Better yet, go look at the Canadian rosters on every other team in the CFL and tell me which ones you'd take over Winnipeg. I'll wait.



I missed this kind of post from Mike.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 03:26:50 PM
Our Canadian drafting and developing is just fine if you don't have the expectation of perfection, in regards to longevity of a career as a Bomber or in regards to the timeline of development lining up with the timeline of departures.

I swear some of the people around here cling to the fact that there are question marks on our roster as a reason for criticism directed at our front office. What do you expect them to do? Sign every single player to lifetime contracts the day they're drafted?

The one that really makes me chuckle is Goossen. Everyone's acting like we lost him to a rival team. The guy retired ... you can't anticipate that, yet what has our front office done? Built depth at that position over the past couple of drafts so that we can be prepared as we'll ever be for something like that. We have a competitive battle going on at our centre position with a guy we drafted and a guy we scooped up as a UDFA ... plus there's Eli to provide depth beyond that. We're  not handing the job to anyone, we're having an open competition for it and does it come with question marks? Duh. But what do you want them to do? Force Goossen to not retire? The same thing happened with Calgary (except for the fact that they could see it coming) when Lavertu had to retire because of ongoing health issues, but nobody hops all over them and says Hufnagel isn't successful.

Everyone complains about Walters' ability to draft and develop, but let's look at the facts here. He's been in charge since 2014 - review the drafts, especially top end.

2014: You can say Goossen was the second most successful first round choice, sandwiched between Pruneau and Lavertu. Every other single player was a bust in every sense of the word. Goossen was also the only CFL All-Star from that entire draft.

2015: Chungh, again, probably the second most successful first round choice ... maybe the most successful, although I'll give McEwen the nod. Chungh also only one of three divisional all-stars (Mateas, McEwen) ... people bemoan Richards and Morgan in the second round, but look at the other busts there (spoiler: it's every other selection other than Lemar Durant)

2016: miss in the first round as we used a supplemental to take Waggoner who never panned out, but still managed to draft one of the 4 divisional all-stars in Loffler and again - look at the drafting in the first round ... St. John, Vaillancourt, Gagnon, Jones ... lots of busts there. Also came out of this draft with Couture, who looks to be a starter for us this year. Also .. this is a good time for me to question why everyone seems to give Walters a hard time for losing Loffler in FA but no one holds it against Hufnagel (AGAIN) that they lost Singleton.

2017: Probably the worst draft talent-wise (for the league) in the Walters era and in a draft of busts, he was no different - took Ekakitie first overall and has already lost him but let's check the rest of the first round ... Judge is a starter, Vandervoort is already cut, McGough sucks, Behar already on a new team, Colling already cut, Luke sucks, Gray set to be a likely starter (and let's not forget he was the #1 prospect in this class) and Johnson is a part-time starter. Overall an absolutely horrible draft.

2018: The Bombers have the best player from this draft as well and they burned a 3rd rounder to get him in Wolitarsky. The first overall pick won't even sign in this league, the rest of this draft falls somewhere between waiting on potential and absolutely terrible and no one other than Wolitarsky and maybe Rutherford have even stood out.

2019: not gonna waste my time speculating.

... if you don't feel like reading all that, let me summarize it for you: EVERY single team has swings and misses, EVERY single team loses their top round players, EVERY single team has had some horrendous picks but ONLY Walters has drafted well enough to say he's drafted a top 3 player in every single draft since he became a GM ... and that is pretty **** impressive and deserves some credit.

Seriously. Next time you wanna harp on our front office for their draft and develop track record, go compare it to some of the other front offices in this league. The top 3 since Walters has become GM are Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa (that's not in order, I'm not going to argue for or against that) AINEC. Better yet, go look at the Canadian rosters on every other team in the CFL and tell me which ones you'd take over Winnipeg. I'll wait.


Good post. I don't expect perfection. Just don't think we are as good at drafting as some say. I don't fault management for losing our big 3 because none of those were in our control.

Wanna know why no one hope on Hufnagel? (This argument bugs me and here's why)
1) this is a Bombers forum. More often than not we talk Bombers.
2)3 GC games in 3 years. Even if we did analyze every front office, they have been as close to perfect as anyone in recent history record wise.
3)You say no one should criticize the BB for losing Goossen (true and fair) so why would anyone criticize losing Singleton to the NFL?

I've defended the Richards selection because at the time it was a fine pick.

Why is everyone acting as if anyone says our Canadian group isn't good? That argument is getting old. No one said it wasn't good. Quit putting words in mouths.

I'd also argue that Hamilton is above us. McGough isn't a starter but he is a solid STer. Plus they have built up a solid OL group via the draft


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 06, 2019, 03:28:26 PM
our team depth is fine, our drafting is fine and our management is doing a good job


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TBURGESS on June 06, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
Mike... 

No one is expecting perfection or lifelong contracts.

No one is acting like we lost Goosen to a rival team.

'Everyone' isn't complaining about Walters ability to draft and develop, just a few are. Your own analysis shows Walters best picks were his in his first 2 years and those guys are gone.

The criticism is about losing all 3 all star draft picks we've had since 2014 in the same off season. No, we couldn't have done anything about Goosen, but we could have done something about the other two.

Only a few, not 'Everyone' are blaming Walters for losing Loffler and comparing that to losing Singleton is ridiculous. We didn't lose Loffler to the NFL. We lost him to a rival CFL team and losing him isn't anywhere near as problematic as losing Goosen and Chungh. Assuming that Jones or Hecht are the answer at safety is a stretch in my mind as neither have shown that they can play safety. (No, I don't believe the 'he almost took the job' story because Jones didn't get hurt until game 3 and only played special teams in those games)

Every team has its hits and misses. The problem is that most of our hits are now gone. Maybe the new starters will all turn out to be as good as the all stars they replace and maybe not, but you can't call the new starters hits until they show they are.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: BBRT on June 06, 2019, 03:53:41 PM
our team depth is fine, our drafting is fine and our management is doing a good job

IMHO - Our team depth is reasonable, our drafting is average and our management is doing an average job!


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: booch on June 06, 2019, 03:57:05 PM
Walters has built on-going depth here where we can turn over guys, and have the ability to develop guys in waiting...far cry from where we were, and where many teams are.

Guys who left..well you can't control that for varying reasons, but the ones left fighting for spots haven't left us scrambling...Loffler at his cost...nope...Chungh too really as his signing at 250K per would have hampered us in other areas..every team has this issues every year, but across the board..starters..back-ups..ST'ners I would say we are in the top 2 teams in that area with Canadian players


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: theaardvark on June 06, 2019, 04:07:31 PM
The fact that other teams are willing to pay a premium to pry Walters drafted talent away from us, and that we can pass on guys like Coombs and Chambers, when these would have been huge upgrades in the Mack era...  that speaks volumes


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
The fact that other teams are willing to pay a premium to pry Walters drafted talent away from us, and that we can pass on guys like Coombs and Chambers, when these would have been huge upgrades in the Mack era...  that speaks volumes

Again, no one said our Canadian talent isn't good.

Also, who paid a premium besides for Chungh? Maybe Loffler too but wasn't the interest low?


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 04:36:11 PM
Our Canadian talent is pretty good. There seems to be a lot of potential in the new additions. Every year there will be questions about the back ups stepping up to replace departing starters.

It's too early to say they won't be successful but it's something we'll have to watch closely to see the progress.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 06, 2019, 04:41:58 PM
I agree BC and Montreal paid a lot to get Chungh and Loffler. Goossen retired.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 06, 2019, 04:44:23 PM
Seriously. Next time you wanna harp on our front office for their draft and develop track record, go compare it to some of the other front offices in this league. The top 3 since Walters has become GM are Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa (that's not in order, I'm not going to argue for or against that) AINEC. Better yet, go look at the Canadian rosters on every other team in the CFL and tell me which ones you'd take over Winnipeg. I'll wait.

Hit the nail on the head Mike. Thanks taking time to give specific examples (that's a friendly pot-shot at you KKc60, who did not give specific examples in your respoonse).



The criticism is about losing all 3 all star draft picks we've had since 2014 in the same off season. No, we couldn't have done anything about Goosen, but we could have done something about the other two.

Every team has its hits and misses. The problem is that most of our hits are now gone. Maybe the new starters will all turn out to be as good as the all stars they replace and maybe not, but you can't call the new starters hits until they show they are.

Tburg, the problem is the standard you're setting. The drafts we don't have the "hits" you're looking for don't exist.

Walters was, in your opinion good for a few years. So 2014 - 2016? You're happy with those?

2017 - the draft was garbage. Almost every first round picks SUCKED. We have Gray stepping in to a starting role. A bonafide NFL talent. Seems like Walters accomplished your high standard here. We could have had Judge. The rest are terrible.

2018 - We have Wolitasky instead of a 1st rounder, and used Round 2 & 3 to get simonize and Petermann. So, imo a solid stable of CDN receivers capable of filling a starting role, if not two starting spots.  Seems like this draft was good to me.

2019 - Irrelevant right now. Impossible to grade a blessed thing.



Further to your comments on the all-stars:
1. KW gets a pass on Goosen
2. Loffler wanted a bidding war no matter what - and went to the most desperate bidder. (see you later loser)
3. Chungh got top dollar. KW has a rock solid, deep and talented pool of young, cheap, OL to compete for the newly vacated position.


I'm not trying to pour everyone a glass of "PJ's special Blue and Gold Kool-aid" for everyone. I just don't see where KW hasn't been doing a bang up job on the drafting and developing.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: rubanski on June 06, 2019, 04:46:36 PM
Again, no one said our Canadian talent isn't good.

Also, who paid a premium besides for Chungh? Maybe Loffler too but wasn't the interest low?

Loffler wanted record breaking money for a NAT safety. Way more than Pruneau is getting (if I recall correctly).

Not sure where his contract landed, but didn't seem too interested in sticking around. Reminds me of Henoc Muamba.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 04:47:44 PM
Loffler wanted record breaking money for a NAT safety. Way more than Pruneau is getting (if I recall correctly).

Not sure where his contract landed, but didn't seem too interested in sticking around. Reminds me of Henoc Muamba.
I don't mind not paying for him


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: theaardvark on June 06, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
Loffler wanted record breaking money for a NAT safety. Way more than Pruneau is getting (if I recall correctly).

Not sure where his contract landed, but didn't seem too interested in sticking around. Reminds me of Henoc Muamba.

Loffler was treated amazingly well here, rested so he could play, etc... it will be interesting to see if MTL treats him the same, and if he has any injury issues this year. 


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 04:52:54 PM
Loffler was treated amazingly well here, rested so he could play, etc... it will be interesting to see if MTL treats him the same, and if he has any injury issues this year. 
Yes thats so nice of us to keep him fresh. Most teams like to not keep their players fresh


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 06, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
Loffler was treated amazingly well here, rested so he could play, etc... it will be interesting to see if MTL treats him the same, and if he has any injury issues this year. 

I watched a couple of games from last year over the weekend and I have to say Loffler's presence in both games was large, as was JSK's.  Not only was he playing tight to the box helping out against the run a lot, he was also administering licks from sideline to sideline that opposing players were well aware were coming.  It would be nice to assume Jones/Hecht can replace him but I just don't think they will be able to come close to matching the true physical presence he brought to the middle of the field.  For those who think he was weak defending against passes thrown to the sidelines and corners, I have to question whether that was even his role.  We shall see.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 06, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
If KW signed Chungh and Loffler, we probably don't get Jefferson, or Matthews.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: kkc60 on June 06, 2019, 06:13:15 PM
If KW signed Chungh and Loffler, we probably don't get Jefferson, or Matthews.
This is true. And also why we can't afford to rely on Harris and Demski-esque signings year in and year out. Because if we don't develop our own players and have starters in years 2 and 3 of their rookie deals, we will have to pay big prices for guys like Chungh and Loffler


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 07:47:03 PM
the best that anyone can say is that the whole draft process is a crap shoot... not one specific only to the CFL, look no further than to big brother, the mega billion dollar operation with more than enough resources to find future talent that isn't even born yet... they still make multi-million dollar mistakes each year in the draft...

but honestly, I think our front office does a pretty admirable job in player acquisition...  at the end of the day do you really care that you drafted someone, develop them for 2 or 3 years at $80K-$100K, and will probably see very limited amount of snaps, if any, or pick up a third year player out of free agency and have to pay them $150K per year that is ready to go?

I get it, it's bit of a pride thing to say you discovered and developed a talent, but the reality of today's game is you are not likely to be able to retain that talent in most cases, unless it happens to be a local boy...

even though every team is in the same boat, it is an almost impossible task to consistently field a top quality team year in and year out given the circumstances involved with player contracts and the amount of money available to sign players...

wasn't an early fan of KW but have grown to like and respect him... and overall, there does seem to be a method to his madness... that, are he just gets **** lucky at times, lol... and I don't really care which it is...  ;D


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: blue girl on June 06, 2019, 07:53:15 PM
I think that we've done well with our drafting. Yes the OL are a question mark right now but let's give them a chance. The one area that concerns me is DB. If Hecht is going to be the starting safety IMO that is a fail.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 08:07:39 PM
I think that we've done well with our drafting. Yes the OL are a question mark right now but let's give them a chance. The one area that concerns me is DB. If Hecht is going to be the starting safety IMO that is a fail.

to me the O line is the hardest component on a team to build because you are only as good as your weakest player... finding 5 guys with enough talent is one thing but getting them to gel and play good together as a unit can be tough as well... not easy answer there...

as far as the DBs, if we don't play that soft zone crap I think we are alright... good zone requires a DB to have a higher football IQ and a lot more discipline in coverage... you may get beat on man coverage from time to time but not like you in zone if you have DB that don't know their responsibilities...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 08:09:54 PM
to me the O line is the hardest component on a team to build because you are only as good as your weakest player... finding 5 guys with enough talent is one thing but getting them to gel and play good together as a unit can be tough as well... not easy answer there...

as far as the DBs, if we don't play that soft zone crap I think we are alright... good zone requires a DB to have a higher football IQ and a lot more discipline in coverage... you may get beat on man coverage from time to time but not like you in zone if you have DB that don't know their responsibilities...

If R Hall is still using that soft zone stuff again this season I'm going to lose all my hair.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
If R Hall is still using that soft zone stuff again this season I'm going to lose all my hair.

I know, right? lol.... HOPEFULLY he learned a little from last year... fingers crossed...

running a successful zone coverage is a lot harder to do consistently with than most think, especially given the size of a CFL field...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 06, 2019, 08:46:50 PM
I think Demski has a to have a very big year this year. Harris is still one of the best RB's in the league, so until he starts to decline or gets injured I don't see him being replaced. But we do have Petermann, Oliv, and Augustine waiting for there chance.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 06, 2019, 08:54:20 PM
I think Demski has a to have a very big year this year. Harris is still one of the best RB's in the league, so until he starts to decline or gets injured I don't see him being replaced. But we do have Petermann, Oliv, and Augustine waiting for there chance.

what Harris does, especially at the level in which he does it, is almost super human... while he had fewer receptions last year he had more rushing attempts for total touches of 297!  I thought 2017 was high at 294 total touches yet he exceed that... at 32 though, I'm not sure how long even he can survive with 300 touches per year...

and it's not only the number of touches, but he gets a lot of extra contact on most touches because of his ability to stay up and moving...


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 06, 2019, 09:52:09 PM
I know, right? lol.... HOPEFULLY he learned a little from last year... fingers crossed...

running a successful zone coverage is a lot harder to do consistently with than most think, especially given the size of a CFL field...

He's been using that technique since he's been in Winnipeg. So I doubt it changes completely. Maybe with the new talent we get more aggressive but I'm not counting on it.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 07, 2019, 10:48:45 AM
I watched a couple of games from last year over the weekend and I have to say Loffler's presence in both games was large, as was JSK's.  Not only was he playing tight to the box helping out against the run a lot, he was also administering licks from sideline to sideline that opposing players were well aware were coming.  It would be nice to assume Jones/Hecht can replace him but I just don't think they will be able to come close to matching the true physical presence he brought to the middle of the field.  For those who think he was weak defending against passes thrown to the sidelines and corners, I have to question whether that was even his role.  We shall see.

Great post.  I rewatched a lot of old games in the offseason too.  Loffler made some great INTs, often in the right place at the right time.  And he continued to scare receivers even after the 2-year neutering by the CFL.  And he stopped the runs that got past everyone else, really helping our cause of eliminating explosive run plays.

But I'm really ready to see a FS in WPG that can be in frame for the deep balls helping out the CBs so that the big BLM and M.Reilly plays can often be double-covered.  You know, like every other decent FS out there... Loffler was literally in the picture for about, oh, zero of those plays in '18.  He seemed incapable of guessing where the ball was going and/or speeding to its destination.

Your last question is precisely the point... perhaps Loffler was never supposed to be that type of FS.  Perhaps it wasn't him, perhaps it was RH/MOS dictating his play.  In that sense, it will be great fun watching Loffler play in MTL to see if they let him play a more traditional FS role; and seeing if he can excel at it.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 07, 2019, 01:57:54 PM
Nice day for the team to be off.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 07, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
Great post.  I rewatched a lot of old games in the offseason too.  Loffler made some great INTs, often in the right place at the right time.  And he continued to scare receivers even after the 2-year neutering by the CFL.  And he stopped the runs that got past everyone else, really helping our cause of eliminating explosive run plays.

But I'm really ready to see a FS in WPG that can be in frame for the deep balls helping out the CBs so that the big BLM and M.Reilly plays can often be double-covered.  You know, like every other decent FS out there... Loffler was literally in the picture for about, oh, zero of those plays in '18.  He seemed incapable of guessing where the ball was going and/or speeding to its destination.

Your last question is precisely the point... perhaps Loffler was never supposed to be that type of FS.  Perhaps it wasn't him, perhaps it was RH/MOS dictating his play.  In that sense, it will be great fun watching Loffler play in MTL to see if they let him play a more traditional FS role; and seeing if he can excel at it.


The Als would be dumb to try to reprogram him, he's good in the role he plays which takes advantage of his size.  They should also allow him to manage his own body as he sees fit, he's remained remarkably healthy for a player that came into the league with serious injury concerns.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Blue In BC on June 07, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
Nice day for the team to be off.

No point practicing until we make all the cuts which happens tomorrow. Some decisions should be fairly easy. Others may be more difficult but still need to be made.


Title: Re: 2019 Main Training Camp
Post by: Pigskin on June 07, 2019, 04:16:01 PM
We never practice the day after a game anyway, but today is extremely hot and humid.