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Title: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 13, 2019, 04:19:35 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: rubanski on May 13, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
Good stuff. I forgot about Nelson looking like he could be an electric returner right at the end of the season.



Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 13, 2019, 04:44:24 PM
The secondary battles are going to be interesting. Starting with who they want to play where. Several suggestions that Alexander might be moving to CB. I'm not particularly fond of that idea but he can certainly play well there.  If that's the combination that works the best, then ok.

6 pure CFL rookies looking to take away roles from Cooper and Humes. Humes impressed in his 1 game, so I hope his progress continues. He has an early edge.

Again, no mention of Battle reportedly signed after Florida. IMO he didn't actually sign eventually or was released afterwards. Must be more than a roster clerical error. Not an issue just looking for clarification.

I think we have some young talent in the new recruits. No real idea what happens once they start lining up against veteran receivers and competing with veteran DB's.

Este and Rios seemed to have the most good PR in Florida. Doesn't mean a lot but initially I'll be curious to see how they do in early days or who seems to pass them on the depth chart.

Those that show enough versatility to play both CB and HB or possibly even be part of return game might be part of any equation.

Lots of Canadian depth at safety. Can't keep everyone so that's an area of interest.

I think our secondary is going to be very good in 2019. Sayles in 2nd year and Alexander now in his 3rd season are going to have great years.



Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: GCn19 on May 13, 2019, 05:07:11 PM
Interesting that Fenner is not even mentioned as a competitor for a secondary spot.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 13, 2019, 05:49:16 PM
Interesting that Fenner is not even mentioned as a competitor for a secondary spot.

I think that's because he's expected to be the SAM. OTOH they didn't mention Gaitor either.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: the paw on May 13, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
I think that's because he's expected to be the SAM. OTOH they didn't mention Gaitor either.

Given how Gaitor played SAM last year, I think its his spot to lose.  At this point, I expect Fenner to start at CB ahead of Humes, or possible for Alexander to start on the corner and Fenner to play at DHB.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: GCn19 on May 13, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
Given how Gaitor played SAM last year, I think its his spot to lose.  At this point, I expect Fenner to start at CB ahead of Humes, or possible for Alexander to start on the corner and Fenner to play at DHB.

I would agree, that's why I find it curious that Tait would not even mention him.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: thunderNlightning on May 13, 2019, 07:10:25 PM
I would think Rose has a strong shot at starting doesn?t he?


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 13, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
Given how Gaitor played SAM last year, I think its his spot to lose.  At this point, I expect Fenner to start at CB ahead of Humes, or possible for Alexander to start on the corner and Fenner to play at DHB.

Either way, SAM will be a strong position for the defense.

I know there have been mixed views on which player will be our starter at SAM. I don't disagree that Gaitor played well. I'm just going on the pre TC 2018 when comments were made that Fenner was the best SAM in the CFL. Then he had an injury that may have limited him for all of 2018 and Gaitor was filling in so well.

I don't really expect it to be a battle pre se. IMO the DC will pick the starter based on is perception of who is the best player. That may or may not be due to 2018 soley. In effect I think they may " decide " before TC starts rather indications from 2018 or TC.

That's not necessarily a bad thing but it is somewhat of a pattern IMO from our DC.

Whether that decision is Gaitor or Fenner I don't know. For the moment I'm speculating it's Fenner but I won't be unhappy either way.

In fairness I'm looking at / remembering Fenner's 2017 campaign as the comparison to Gaitor's 2018 campaign. I see Fenner as a tackling machine on ST's as well as normal defense so see him as a more aggressive and physical player, which may be an advantage and the deciding factor.











Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: booch on May 13, 2019, 07:26:02 PM
most likely neither was mentioned as they are not being projected or looked at to be one of the 5 DB positions, but for SAM...But that being said the one who is beaten out for the SAM likely becomes a DI or an extra on the roster as a backup for SAM and HB/Corner


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 14, 2019, 06:13:44 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 14, 2019, 06:18:06 PM
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This is still only 4 imports competing for spots at WIL, a DI and a PR role. Could use another couple of bodies at the main TC.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: kkc60 on May 15, 2019, 04:08:55 AM
This is still only 4 imports competing for spots at WIL, a DI and a PR role. Could use another couple of bodies at the main TC.
Only if they are serious competitors imo. I'd rather the 4 get a crap ton of game reps in the preseason so we can truly see what we have


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 15, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
Only if they are serious competitors imo. I'd rather the 4 get a crap ton of game reps in the preseason so we can truly see what we have

That might be true if the one returning player had more than 6 games in 2 seasons. One injury or one LB not looking well early could be an issue.

OTOH I'd expect a few LB's on speed dial in case we need to look at others.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 15, 2019, 06:11:36 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 16, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: blue_or_die on May 16, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
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Great read. Really shows how our draft and develop strategy has been a gigantic success, with pipeline bursting with potential Canadians to fill a big void. It sucks so much we lost Goosen and Chungh, but you have to credit Walters for preparing for such an event in the best way possible.

I think there will be some bumps in the first third of the season but after that the line will be a dominating unit. Luckily we have the league's best RB, a new receiver weapon and most of a core that has spent a year together, as well as a pretty cool QB under pressure, to alleviate some growing pains in that area.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: TBURGESS on May 16, 2019, 02:35:08 PM
The OL is the biggest question mark going into the season. We're forced to replace 2 NI all stars and we're choosing to go with a raw rookie and a guy who has 2 (?) starts. I'd give Walters more credit if he'd brought in an experienced guy to take one of the spots or if he'd 'overpaid' for Chungh.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 16, 2019, 03:22:00 PM
The OL is the biggest question mark going into the season. We're forced to replace 2 NI all stars and we're choosing to go with a raw rookie and a guy who has 2 (?) starts. I'd give Walters more credit if he'd brought in an experienced guy to take one of the spots or if he'd 'overpaid' for Chungh.

Chungh may have still gone home to BC. If we had over paid him we might not have had money to sign Matthews as an example. Based on the small 2019 SMS increase that will have a ripple effect on rosters across the league.

We may have considered other Canadian OL available and not been successful. No one comes to mind.

Our OL may be a challenge in the early going. So it's a concern until proven otherwise. Long term we're probably fine. Have to wait and see who actually ends up starting.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: theaardvark on May 16, 2019, 03:41:32 PM
If we overpay Chungh, how do we get Gray into the lineup?  Nefueld is our LG, and Couture our C (unless a rookie can beat him out, bring on the competition).  So, overpaying Chungh means making Gray a 6th man and while that kind of depth is awesome, it isn't really a great use of resources. 

I loved Goossen and Chungh up the middle, but I think we might be just fine with Couture and Gray now... with Speller/Dejarlais/Eli competing for 6th man and pushing Gray and Couture...


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: booch on May 16, 2019, 03:50:07 PM
the price it would have taken to keep Chungh just wasn't worth it, especially with guys we have been developing, as well knowing we were going to get a top pick in the draft.

The loss of the 2 hurt for sure, but to be honest I am not too concerned at all, and sure we may see a bit of a drop initially in the first couple games, we may also not but fact of the matter Couture isn't a rookie, and sure Gray technically is, but isn't the standard definition of a rookie right out of the CIS or an Import new to the CFL...He is a NFL camp veteran, a guy who has been around the team since the last few weeks of last year, and if not because of his known NFL opportunity most likely could have been the #1 pick over all i his draft

And to be honest, I don't think it's even a certainty that either Couture or Gray grab a spot out of camp...or if both don't even lay claim to one, and if that is the case then I think we are in a really good spot O-line wise...the real dark horse is ELI and was a steal...it won't take him much more than a full training camp to get back in the swing, and if he is as advertised I can see him as the week one starter at center


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 16, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
The OL is the biggest question mark going into the season. We're forced to replace 2 NI all stars and we're choosing to go with a raw rookie and a guy who has 2 (?) starts. I'd give Walters more credit if he'd brought in an experienced guy to take one of the spots or if he'd 'overpaid' for Chungh.

They already have Foketi as a fallback option, which F.A. do you think they should have brought in?  They'd either pay large for a good Natl. O-lineman or end up with a veteran plug with no upside.  Both options plug up the pipeline of O-lineman they're developing and most of that talent is on expiring two year contracts, so they either use them or lose them.  Have faith, Walters is managing the talent the way it should be managed.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: TBURGESS on May 16, 2019, 05:03:56 PM
They already have Foketi as a fallback option, which F.A. do you think they should have brought in?  They'd either pay large for a good Natl. O-lineman or end up with a veteran plug with no upside.  Both options plug up the pipeline of O-lineman they're developing and most of that talent is on expiring two year contracts, so they either use them or lose them.  Have faith, Walters is managing the talent the way it should be managed.
Foketi as a fall back option means starting another NI somewhere else. As the ratio didn't change, this is a bad idea IMO. I don't like the idea of starting 3 NI receivers or having to start both a NI safety and a DL on D.

Yes, they'd have to pay large for a starting NI OL or even a vet NI OL. It's still the right thing to do because finding 2 new NI OL who are both ready to start let alone thrive in the same year are very long odds indeed.

I'd be happier if we only had to replace one all star NI OL this year with a pipeline guy. I have no problems believing that one or two of our pipeline guys will eventually be quality starters, but no one knows if any of them will be viable starters this year.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 16, 2019, 05:46:33 PM
Foketi as a fall back option means starting another NI somewhere else. As the ratio didn't change, this is a bad idea IMO. I don't like the idea of starting 3 NI receivers or having to start both a NI safety and a DL on D.

Yes, they'd have to pay large for a starting NI OL or even a vet NI OL. It's still the right thing to do because finding 2 new NI OL who are both ready to start let alone thrive in the same year are very long odds indeed.

I'd be happier if we only had to replace one all star NI OL this year with a pipeline guy. I have no problems believing that one or two of our pipeline guys will eventually be quality starters, but no one knows if any of them will be viable starters this year.

I think we're looking at it like this:
The best option -  Three NI o-line
Next best option - Two NI o-line with three NI receivers

I don't think there's any realistic chance of starting a full-time Canadian DL this year. We likely could be going with both scenarios for games this year. It's a long season and injuries happen.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: blue_or_die on May 16, 2019, 06:04:07 PM
Foketi as a fall back option means starting another NI somewhere else. As the ratio didn't change, this is a bad idea IMO. I don't like the idea of starting 3 NI receivers or having to start both a NI safety and a DL on D.

Yes, they'd have to pay large for a starting NI OL or even a vet NI OL. It's still the right thing to do because finding 2 new NI OL who are both ready to start let alone thrive in the same year are very long odds indeed.

I'd be happier if we only had to replace one all star NI OL this year with a pipeline guy. I have no problems believing that one or two of our pipeline guys will eventually be quality starters, but no one knows if any of them will be viable starters this year.

99 times out of 100 you would probably be right as it relates to past Bomber teams, but I fully believe that this one particular year where forcing up 2 guys from our development program actually is better than signing an outsider, and I say that without even considering SMS implications.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: theaardvark on May 16, 2019, 08:20:20 PM
I think we're looking at it like this:
The best option -  Three NI o-line
Next best option - Two NI o-line with three NI receivers

I don't think there's any realistic chance of starting a full-time Canadian DL this year. We likely could be going with both scenarios for games this year. It's a long season and injuries happen.

You don't have to start a Nat DLineman to have a Nat Dline starters spot.  We have at least 3 Nat DL rotational guys, if one of them is on the field every down, that's a DL starting spot...


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 16, 2019, 08:37:56 PM
You don't have to start a Nat DLineman to have a Nat Dline starters spot.  We have at least 3 Nat DL rotational guys, if one of them is on the field every down, that's a DL starting spot...

So your answer is if you have 3 Canadian DL and none of them are good enough to be starters, then rotate them?

Yeah right.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: theaardvark on May 16, 2019, 09:00:11 PM
So your answer is if you have 3 Canadian DL and none of them are good enough to be starters, then rotate them?

Yeah right.

You do realize that they have to play sometime, right?  You run 7 DL for a reason...  just make sure one of them is on the field...


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 16, 2019, 10:13:56 PM
You do realize that they have to play sometime, right?  You run 7 DL for a reason...  just make sure one of them is on the field...

I realize it. That doesn't mean it's an acceptable choice or the best choice to have a Canadian DL in on every defensive snap.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 16, 2019, 11:03:14 PM
I realize it. That doesn't mean it's an acceptable choice or the best choice to have a Canadian DL in on every defensive snap.

Exactly right, I want to see Nevis and Bryant playing most downs and only rotated out by a Natl. when a rest is needed.  Once Kongbo has recovered from his injury and proves he can play with the pros he may change the dynamic of the D-line and increase the ratio flexibility but I don't really see that happening this year.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: kkc60 on May 16, 2019, 11:27:09 PM
Exactly right, I want to see Nevis and Bryant playing most downs and only rotated out by a Natl. when a rest is needed.  Once Kongbo has recovered from his injury and proven he can play with the pros he may change the dynamic of the D-line and increase the ratio flexibility but I don't really see that happening this year.
A Jefferson-Roh-Kongbo-Jeffcoat on obvious passing downs is intriguing


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 17, 2019, 01:58:32 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on May 17, 2019, 02:14:32 PM
A Jefferson-Roh-Kongbo-Jeffcoat on obvious passing downs is intriguing

Kongbo will mostly be playing DE, the guy is 6'6 255lbs.  Thomas and Griffiths will be playing DT.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: booch on May 17, 2019, 02:17:00 PM
not entirely..over the last couple years we have ran many sets where we had 3 ends playing on the line of scrimmage,


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: kkc60 on May 17, 2019, 02:47:46 PM
Kongbo will mostly be playing DE, the guy is 6'6 255lbs.  Thomas and Griffiths will be playing DT.
In the past in obvious passing downs we would play 3 or 4 DE's in obvious passing situations. Kongbo is obviously a DE. Also 3DN mentioned he has played DT. Again I would never put him there as his position but on obvious passing downs you want your best 4 pass rushers on the field


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: M.O.A.B. on May 17, 2019, 02:58:33 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 17, 2019, 09:32:55 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: Blue In BC on May 18, 2019, 12:49:48 AM
Loads of talent on the DL. It will even improve once Kongbo gets healthy and up to speed. That will give us greater depth and the bonus of ratio flexibility. Also think some of our other DL draft picks could be very good.


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 18, 2019, 03:16:41 PM
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Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2019, 06:44:38 PM
Kongbo on running downs makes more sense as he is not a particularly strong pass rusher


Title: Re: Ed Tait's Positional Reviews
Post by: ModAdmin on May 19, 2019, 04:59:24 PM
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