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Title: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: The Zipp on April 27, 2019, 12:07:51 AM
From Dave Naylor:

Hearing the @BCLions have told @SolomonE56 he will be released. Took a pay cut before last season to sign a two-year deal. Priority was to stay in B.C. #Lions


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Bombers9256 on April 27, 2019, 12:19:32 AM
Our new WIL?


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 27, 2019, 01:00:03 AM
I don't think we can afford him even with another pay cut. That said, give his agent a call? Can't deny he'd be an upgrade although not a necessity.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 27, 2019, 03:08:37 AM
I was saying "hard pass" on Solly when they were fishing for trades.  However, as a FA, if he is willing to work for under $175k, I would bite and reunite team 100 (or is it team 60 now?).  Just think of our D with Solly at WIL?!?!  Wow.

However, this assumes I'm wrong and we don't find a big $$ WR before labor day.  Money priority has to be WR, only if that is a bust do we think Solly.

Maybe we can win a GC with just a monster D and a "pretty good" O.  I just watched the '90 GC that ESPNC played a while back and that win was 100% all D.  West and Battle won that game for us.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: blue_or_die on April 27, 2019, 08:21:21 AM
But BC thought they were going to get something in return! What?s this, other teams can just wait for the players? imminent release and not give up assets? Colour me shocked! This is unprecedented in the CFL  :o


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 27, 2019, 11:29:17 AM
BC can't afford him they paid Reilly and a few other players.  Bombers can afford him .We need a linebacker.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 27, 2019, 01:06:07 PM
I was saying "hard pass" on Solly when they were fishing for trades.  However, as a FA, if he is willing to work for under $175k, I would bite and reunite team 100 (or is it team 60 now?).  Just think of our D with Solly at WIL?!?!  Wow.

However, this assumes I'm wrong and we don't find a big $$ WR before labor day.  Money priority has to be WR, only if that is a bust do we think Solly.

Maybe we can win a GC with just a monster D and a "pretty good" O.  I just watched the '90 GC that ESPNC played a while back and that win was 100% all D.  West and Battle won that game for us.


We weren't prepared to pay JSK $140K. That's a lot for a WIL. I'm not sure what a perceived cap might be for the position even for Solly. Don't really know how much he made or how much he'd want.

I would say $175K is too much even for him IMO. That said he'd be a strong WIL and a great back up at MLB if injuries occur. He'd also be more flexible in defensive looks our DC could give oppositions.

It may come down to what other offers he might see across the CFL. I can see why Winnipeg could be of interest to him but unless money offers are close he'll go elsewhere.

As far as saving the money for a rainy day " receiver ", well bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Who's to say one shakes loose or that we didn't find 6 rookies to fit the bill.

Teams choose to react to opportunities when they exist. That may be a choice to look at signing him or a choice to not consider it. We'll see what happens.

I wouldn't rule out he gets released and then is forced to re-negotiate a new deal in Vancouver as his best option and choice.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: VictorRomano on April 27, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
I'm sure he wants a salary commensurate with his experience.  He won't come cheap.  Between spending big dollars on a LB or big dollars on a WR, I think the bigger need is at WR.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 27, 2019, 01:22:35 PM
I'm sure he wants a salary commensurate with his experience.  He won't come cheap.  Between spending big dollars on a LB or big dollars on a WR, I think the bigger need is at WR.

Of course the WR is probably the bigger need. There is no question about that today.  As I said that big dollar WR might come available in 2 weeks or never this season. Solly will be available in a few days.

I also said who knows what receiver talent we found / will find in TC?

What Elimimian wants and what he'll get to offered is a TBD. May be several teams all asking the same question on how to spend SMS.

I don't know the answer but I'd hope management talks to his agent to see what's up. It's not impossible he chooses to retire than to play for substantially less money.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: blueraid on April 27, 2019, 01:47:13 PM
GO GET HIM.....we would have one heckuva D and defence's win championships


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue72 on April 27, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
Who is or will be our backup MLB is the big question?


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 27, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
Who is or will be our backup MLB is the big question?

Wilson is the only veteran LB per se and he's only played 5 games. So WIL is somewhat open during TC as well as a LB as a DI and one for our PR possibly.

In theory Wilson might also be the back up MLB at the moment.

All of this shows why Solly could be a good addition but SMS talks and one or more of the rookies could be the next JSK.

Wilson is penciled in at WIL but I wouldn't say he couldn't be unseated either.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: TBURGESS on April 27, 2019, 02:56:06 PM
My guess is he goes to the Riders or Stamps.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: kkc60 on April 27, 2019, 03:35:57 PM
I'm kinda looking forward to the open competition at Wil


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 27, 2019, 05:33:22 PM
I'm kinda looking forward to the open competition at Wil

Sure but there were only 4 candidates at the recent camp including 1 that didn't yet have a contract ( McBeath )

We had Otha Peters on the roster as an off season signing but he didn't attend the camp. Another curious non attendee.

So at most there were 5 candidates if all are re-signed or signed.

I'm guessing we still end up with a DI and a couple on the PR. That means 3 of a possible 5 make the roster is some form. Who or where is not known. More candidates may still be added / deleted before / during TC.

Now if we do sign Elimimian I'd expect they'd bring a smaller group of LB's to compete. Hard to say but some may be only WIL candidates. Some might be only MLB types and some may be able to play both.

Again, I don't really expect to see Solly sign in Winnipeg but it's still not something that can be ruled out just yet. It will change the TC dynamic if he does since we know he can start and play both positions in multiple defensive looks.

Wilson is the only returning player


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Fire101 on April 27, 2019, 05:34:06 PM
I remember when the Lions signed Mike Reilly, Ed Hervey was asked about the SMS and he replied that in order to pay Mike you have to steal from Joe and Peter.

Losing Soloman is big, but don't forget about Chris Rainey. Losing him is substantial as well.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 27, 2019, 05:36:00 PM
I remember when the Lions signed Mike Reilly, he was asked about the SMS and he replied that in order to pay Mike you have to steal from Joe and Peter.

Losing Soloman is big, but so is losing Chris Rainey.

Lions lost nearly 20 players already. Some of that was SMS related to signing Reilly. Others were player choices or team choices to move forward.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: bwiser on April 27, 2019, 08:41:27 PM
The Bombers have to find a way to get him signed. We would instantly have the best LB's in the league.The Bombers should have some cap room after losing Chungh and Goosen off the payroll.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: blue girl on April 27, 2019, 09:40:19 PM
I'd make him an offer. Maybe Bighill can convince him to come here.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: DM83 on April 28, 2019, 12:23:13 AM
Not to,many of us have said it, but we could be a great defensive team.  Maybe like the Sean Salisbury team of what was it 1989? 

I would sign him and find a way to manage the cap. Sort o like what Chvey take a day off should  have done. Last year with the jets and Stasny, amd again this year, by getting a center who could light the second line up.
Winners make it happen, losers make  excuses.

Isn't it time the Bombers and the Jets quit whining, and made some moves to bring better players in here.?
Remember Cal in the. Nineties bringing in Matt.  We didn't quite win it all, but, if not for a separated shoulder Maybe Matt would have brought us a cup.

Anyway, the Bombers need to think outside the box.  Hell even if we go over the cap, so what?,,,lose a draft choice, vs. A championship?, really?  Any further thought needed on that?


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: dd on April 28, 2019, 01:18:50 AM
I remember when the Lions signed Mike Reilly, Ed Hervey was asked about the SMS and he replied that in order to pay Mike you have to steal from Joe and Peter.

Losing Soloman is big, but don't forget about Chris Rainey. Losing him is substantial as well.
I would sign Rainey before if sign Solly. We don?t NEED solly at will, it?s a nice to have, we NEED a binaries threat at the returner position. Rainey will lay you back much more than solly would , and whatever the case, our biggest need is at WR, who cares solly is going to be released, we told JSK to walk for $140 k, and no way solly plays for that


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: pjrocksmb on April 28, 2019, 03:57:19 AM
great player too $$$


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 28, 2019, 04:22:53 AM
Lions lost nearly 20 players already. Some of that was SMS related to signing Reilly. Others were player choices or team choices to move forward.

Ya, I hope Burnham is really good in '19, because that's all Reilly will have out there.  It'll be Reilly, Chungh and Burnham alone on O; they'll have no SMS left to pay 9 other guys.

They'll probably still beat MTL and TOR  ;) ;D


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: M.O.A.B. on April 28, 2019, 06:37:20 AM
I would sign Rainey before if sign Solly. We don?t NEED solly at will, it?s a nice to have, we NEED a binaries threat at the returner position. Rainey will lay you back much more than solly would , and whatever the case, our biggest need is at WR, who cares solly is going to be released, we told JSK to walk for $140 k, and no way solly plays for that

Rainey is with the Argos. 😂


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: blue_or_die on April 28, 2019, 01:07:25 PM
Yeah, Solly would be a nice luxury and would put our D to elite level. However, all my emotional energy is focused on concern over the the receiving unit. I'd prefer to have balance between O and D. The D should be very good as it is. Of course as others have said, we are basically tethered to hope and wait-and-see with receivers, whether it's that a proven elite guy in the NFL shakes loose and comes back, or that we have magically unearthed the next coming (which we have yet to prove we can do).

If the team announced that we came to terms with Elimimian tomorrow morning though for a fair deal I can't say that I wouldn't be pretty thrilled and suddenly become a cheerleader. lol.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 28, 2019, 01:33:27 PM
Team 100 reunited would be interesting, but unless every team in the league lowballs Solly, its not going to happen.  I'd bet he holds out a little, maybe even into the season and waits for injury.  Its not like he doesn't have a lot to do with his CFLPA duties, and now they will have a very interesting guy on the negotiating team, someone just cut thanks to the CFL's ability to cut players at any time.  Great argument for guaranteed contracts.  Just not going to happen, though, although they might get some new "cut windows" put in place to stop teams from doing what happened to solly and have him miss out on the FA frenzy...


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: DM83 on April 28, 2019, 01:39:25 PM
I agree Bombers need a receiver as a priority.
But I have. Given up on the Bombers "plan"

They really don't have one.
Sure drink the cool aide and believe the PR.

But comparing what other teams seem to do, the Bombers can't compete on that field,either.
I don't see much leadership here. Based in the past it looks like the Bombers Will be middle of the pack......again.
Same old, same old. actually it's a very boring team.

After many years as a. Season ticket holder,, I will stay home and watch on TV.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Horseman on April 28, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
I agree Bombers need a receiver as a priority.
But I have. Given up on the Bombers "plan"

They really don't have one.
Sure drink the cool aide and believe the PR.

But comparing what other teams seem to do, the Bombers can't compete on that field,either.
I don't see much leadership here. Based in the past it looks like the Bombers Will be middle of the pack......again.
Same old, same old. actually it's a very boring team.

After many years as a. Season ticket holder,, I will stay home and watch on TV.

Ditto.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 28, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
I agree Bombers need a receiver as a priority.
But I have. Given up on the Bombers "plan"

They really don't have one.
Sure drink the cool aide and believe the PR.

But comparing what other teams seem to do, the Bombers can't compete on that field,either.
I don't see much leadership here. Based in the past it looks like the Bombers Will be middle of the pack......again.
Same old, same old. actually it's a very boring team.

After many years as a. Season ticket holder,, I will stay home and watch on TV.

Wow... have you WATCHED a Bomber game in the last few years?  3 winning seasons in a row, highest scoring team in the league last year even with starting a rookie at QB for 4 games and having PR/KR by committee... 

If you can't have fun watching this team play at IGF, yeah, keep your miserable butt at home, we'll all enjoy it more ;)


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Mike on April 28, 2019, 06:41:29 PM
Wow... have you WATCHED a Bomber game in the last few years?  3 winning seasons in a row, highest scoring team in the league last year even with starting a rookie at QB for 4 games and having PR/KR by committee... 

If you can't have fun watching this team play at IGF, yeah, keep your miserable butt at home, we'll all enjoy it more ;)

Just wondering what this has to do with anything. I agree with the general premise of what you said but was there some new rule last year where you get bonus touchdowns for using the same returner repeatedly?


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: kkc60 on April 28, 2019, 06:46:59 PM
Just wondering what this has to do with anything. I agree with the general premise of what you said but was there some new rule last year where you get bonus touchdowns for using the same returner repeatedly?
It was selective listing. Instead of saying "despite not true #1 receiver" or "despite starting the most inconsistent DB in the league" or "despite our QB regressing" he picked the easiest thing that puts the least heat on KW, MOS and the team. Because having no set in stone returner really isn't as.big as other things


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 28, 2019, 07:40:18 PM
Just wondering what this has to do with anything. I agree with the general premise of what you said but was there some new rule last year where you get bonus touchdowns for using the same returner repeatedly?

When you have one returner who is outstanding at his position, you would generally have more production from that position, no?  When you spend most of the season trying to figure out who will hurt you least returning, you are probably going to see fewer points off of possession change...


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 28, 2019, 08:12:36 PM
Tough crowd. The last few seasons have been very entertaining and we were not a mid level team.

Yes we have some areas we'd like to improve but doesn't every team?


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: The Zipp on April 28, 2019, 10:21:23 PM
Solomon Elimimian hasn't been officially released by the BC Lions yet, but according to TSN's Farhan Lalji, the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Toronto Argonauts and Saskatchewan Roughriders have all shown some interest in the linebacker.

From TSN


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 28, 2019, 10:24:53 PM
It was selective listing. Instead of saying "despite not true #1 receiver" or "despite starting the most inconsistent DB in the league" or "despite our QB regressing" he picked the easiest thing that puts the least heat on KW, MOS and the team. Because having no set in stone returner really isn't as.big as other things

A top flight returner is one of the most exciting players you will have on the field, and can be a big influence in points scored, both personally and by field position....


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Mike on April 28, 2019, 10:53:38 PM
A top flight returner is one of the most exciting players you will have on the field, and can be a big influence in points scored, both personally and by field position....


Been gone for over a year and I see you still have the same schtick... good on ya


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 28, 2019, 11:43:43 PM
It was selective listing. Instead of saying "despite not true #1 receiver" or "despite starting the most inconsistent DB in the league" or "despite our QB regressing" he picked the easiest thing that puts the least heat on KW, MOS and the team. Because having no set in stone returner really isn't as.big as other things

Who are you referring to?


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: kkc60 on April 29, 2019, 12:14:45 AM
Who are you referring to?
Fogg


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: kkc60 on April 29, 2019, 12:15:35 AM
A top flight returner is one of the most exciting players you will have on the field, and can be a big influence in points scored, both personally and by field position....

Sure. But it isn't make or break and in general isn't on the field as much.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: pjrocksmb on April 29, 2019, 01:38:13 AM
Ditto.
I agree Bombers need a receiver as a priority.
But I have. Given up on the Bombers "plan"

They really don't have one.
Sure drink the cool aide and believe the PR.

But comparing what other teams seem to do, the Bombers can't compete on that field,either.
I don't see much leadership here. Based in the past it looks like the Bombers Will be middle of the pack......again.
Same old, same old. actually it's a very boring team.

After many years as a. Season ticket holder,, I will stay home and watch on TV.

classic panic post with little facts or value


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: pjrocksmb on April 29, 2019, 01:39:04 AM
Wow... have you WATCHED a Bomber game in the last few years?  3 winning seasons in a row, highest scoring team in the league last year even with starting a rookie at QB for 4 games and having PR/KR by committee... 

If you can't have fun watching this team play at IGF, yeah, keep your miserable butt at home, we'll all enjoy it more ;)

hit a bell three times with a metal object


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2019, 04:59:52 AM
If we keep Lucky we should have a very good return game this year.

Solly is a play maker. I would love to have him hear but I don't think we can afford him.



Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: DM83 on April 29, 2019, 11:08:44 AM
Bottom line.
 Middle of the pack.

Same old.
Sask rocks. Eh PJ . L.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 29, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
Bottom line.
 Middle of the pack.

Same old.
Sask rocks. Eh PJ . L.

As a betting man, I'd love to take your money, if you care to put it where your mouth is.  Or, as this site will probably not allow wagering in cash, name your stakes.  Middle of the pack means 9-9.  I'll give you the middle ground and take the over at 9.5 wins.  Put up, or shut up ;)


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 29, 2019, 04:20:50 PM
If we keep Lucky we should a very good return game this year.

Solly is a play maker. I would love to have him hear but I don't think we can afford him.



There is going to be many players that will audition for the role as a returner. The winner might be a starter or a DI. It could be several players doing duty on PR, KR.

How the ratio changes, if it changes may factor into who comes out on top.

As far as Whitehead he's still going to have a high hill to overcome in TC to make the roster At this point he hasn't even gotten a TC contract.

Still waiting for any official news on which new comers from last week get added and who doesn't get re-signed that were already signed / dropped going in the mini camp.

Reports are that he looked good, so while I expect he may be a player added, how he does against the vets would be more telling.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Blue In BC on April 29, 2019, 04:31:24 PM
As a betting man, I'd love to take your money, if you care to put it where your mouth is.  Or, as this site will probably not allow wagering in cash, name your stakes.  Middle of the pack means 9-9.  I'll give you the middle ground and take the over at 9.5 wins.  Put up, or shut up ;)

In 2018 only 3 teams won more games than Winnipeg. OTOH, every team in the West had 9-9 seasons or better. Ottawa had an 11-7 season.

Winnipeg had the 4th best record. In that sense we were at the top of the middle 3rd at 10-8.

The win loss record is always interesting. A more fortunate turn of events against Regina and we finish 2nd in the West. Yes, I know the end result is all that counts in the record. However, my point  is that as a fan you have to be pleased to have been very competitive in those close losses. We only got smoked a few times.



Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 29, 2019, 11:15:37 PM
David William Naylor@TSNDaveNaylor

Have been told that @SolomonE56 has formally asked for his release ASAP after being informed of the @BCLions plans last week. Still not released and so cannot negotiate with other CFL teams. #cfl #lions


Wow... Hervey is really messing this one up... whether he is releasing him or not, this is absolutely not the way to do it.  To the CFLPA VP during CBA negotiations...



Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Fire101 on April 29, 2019, 11:40:53 PM
David William Naylor@TSNDaveNaylor

Have been told that @SolomonE56 has formally asked for his release ASAP after being informed of the @BCLions plans last week. Still not released and so cannot negotiate with other CFL teams. #cfl #lions


Wow... Hervey is really messing this one up... whether he is releasing him or not, this is absolutely not the way to do it.  To the CFLPA VP during CBA negotiations...



Classless. Let the man go so he can try to earn a living.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Donny C on April 30, 2019, 01:49:04 PM
It would be great to see him here!


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: GCn19 on April 30, 2019, 01:56:33 PM
It would be great to see him here!

It would be, but it's never going to happen.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: blueraid on April 30, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
Absolutely abysmal the way Hervey is handling a player of Solly's character and longevity with the leos...I'm sure other players around the league have a close eye on this b.s.


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: theaardvark on April 30, 2019, 11:49:09 PM
And it is official... BC has released Solly. 


Title: Re: Naylor reporting Solomon Elimimian to be released...
Post by: Donny C on May 01, 2019, 03:15:42 PM
It would be, but it's never going to happen.

Why not?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 01, 2019, 10:32:11 PM
Why not?

too much $$$$, we won't be the highest offer


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: kkc60 on May 01, 2019, 11:09:58 PM
We shouldn't get in a bidding war for Solly if his main thing is $$. But if he wants to come here, why not


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: pjrocksmb on May 02, 2019, 12:32:40 AM
We shouldn't get in a bidding war for Solly if his main thing is $$. But if he wants to come here, why not

agree but he will follow the money


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on May 02, 2019, 05:08:57 AM
Let's sign him if he is reasonable with the money.  The other teams will suck this year.  If Solo wants to be on a winning team, he should come here.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: DM83 on May 03, 2019, 11:03:12 AM
The guy is. Good.  Make it happen!

Would not want to be the guys to do that, but.....if ya way a winner!


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 01:19:07 PM
I'm guessing that he signs somewhere this week. If TC is on schedule ( which I'm expecting ) he'll want to know where he's going to end up and be ready for his new opportunity.

Also just guessing the probabilities : Hamilton, Toronto and Regina in that order. Even though Calgary lost Singleton it's outside their norm to sign high value free agents that weren't Stamps.

Maybe they surprise me but I'm thinking he's headed out east.

OTOH, we didn't think we'd land Bighill in 2018 or be able to retain him in 2019. So spin the wheel and where it lands nobody knows. lol


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 03, 2019, 01:22:29 PM
I'd pass on him. You only want to spend so much money on the linebacker position. If we have Solly level money available, we're better off saving it for an American receiver in an NFL camp.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 01:28:38 PM
I'd pass on him. You only want to spend so much money on the linebacker position. If we have Solly level money available, we're better off saving it for an American receiver in an NFL camp.

That's only true if we end up getting that American receiver in an NFL camp later in the year.

You're point about the total spend on LB's is valid but it comes down to our SMS projections and  what the new SMS turns out to be.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 03, 2019, 02:26:00 PM
That's only true if we end up getting that American receiver in an NFL camp later in the year.

You're point about the total spend on LB's is valid but it comes down to our SMS projections and  what the new SMS turns out to be.

Ya true. All unknowns at this point. I think regardless the money is better saved and put towards another position (I'm sure some NFL cut will help us down the stretch) or even contract extensions at the end of the year. If Solly hadn't become available, no one would be advocating we look for another high priced MLB type. It just isn't a need.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: GCn19 on May 03, 2019, 04:24:18 PM
Ya true. All unknowns at this point. I think regardless the money is better saved and put towards another position (I'm sure some NFL cut will help us down the stretch) or even contract extensions at the end of the year. If Solly hadn't become available, no one would be advocating we look for another high priced MLB type. It just isn't a need.

I agree. Keep the money, if no one of interest shakes loose use it to give some of our key veterans early extensions.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Ya true. All unknowns at this point. I think regardless the money is better saved and put towards another position (I'm sure some NFL cut will help us down the stretch) or even contract extensions at the end of the year. If Solly hadn't become available, no one would be advocating we look for another high priced MLB type. It just isn't a need.

There may be other players at other positions that become available either from CFL training camps or returning from the NFL. I doubt we've seen all of the trimming of SMS from every team.

Honestly I can't think of any position more important than receiver where that might happen.

Using remaining SMS to extend players is also an excellent use. Where to draw a line on how much is too much at the end of the season ( or even during the season ), versus improvement in the 2019 roster will always be subjective.

I wouldn't mind seeing Woli get an extension to lock him up on a new 3 year deal.

Of course going into TC the hope is always that we find some real young new talent at receiver. Or that one of the holdovers from 2018 take a big step forward.

I'm liking some of the candidates but things can change quickly in TC. Getting hurt / nicked early has cost opportunities in the past for many players.

The best receivers started on ELC contracts and were unknowns at the beginning.

OTOH I wouldn't be upset if we sign Solly either. It's not the biggest need and hindsight will generate criticism one way or the other depending on how things go.

Realistically I think there will be more money for him elsewhere that excludes him in Winnipeg.



Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2019, 05:32:30 PM
I can't see anyone signing Solly or any FA until the CBA is settled.  Both sides need to know what the playing field looks like...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 07:20:25 PM
I can't see anyone signing Solly or any FA until the CBA is settled.  Both sides need to know what the playing field looks like...

Lots of free agents signed without knowing what the new CBA would look like. Nothing has changed. Teams will add talent where it fits financially and a need they have.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 03, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
Lots of free agents signed without knowing what the new CBA would look like. Nothing has changed. Teams will add talent where it fits financially and a need they have.

One thing I heard in the last few days (can't recall exactly where) was that any changes to the ratio rules will not be implemented instantaneously but will go through a transition period to allow teams to adjust.  I imagine it will be the same with monetary matters, they can't spring changes on GM's without giving fair and reasonable notice.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 03, 2019, 07:51:38 PM
One thing I heard in the last few days (can't recall exactly where) was that any changes to the ratio rules will not be implemented instantaneously but will go through a transition period to allow teams to adjust.  I imagine it will be the same with monetary matters, they can't spring changes on GM's without giving fair and reasonable notice.

Ambroise said so in his opening statements at the draft. Any changes to the ratio would be phased in over time (he didn't confirm there would be changes, only that if there were they won't be instant). Leads me to believe that we'd likely see a 7, 6, 6, 5 or something. Just totally guessing on the details obviously, but some structure like that.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
Lots of free agents signed without knowing what the new CBA would look like. Nothing has changed. Teams will add talent where it fits financially and a need they have.

Have any signed since "the strike vote"?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 03, 2019, 08:11:14 PM
Have any signed since "the strike vote"?

The strike vote occurred on April 25. 47 players have been added to rosters since then according to https://www.cfl.ca/transactions/. So, yes.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 08:42:01 PM
Ambroise said so in his opening statements at the draft. Any changes to the ratio would be phased in over time (he didn't confirm there would be changes, only that if there were they won't be instant). Leads me to believe that we'd likely see a 7, 6, 6, 5 or something. Just totally guessing on the details obviously, but some structure like that.

I'll believe it when I see it. Ambroise wouldn't admit to exactly what was discussed. Reducing the ratio immediately wouldn't be difficult for teams to adjust IMO.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
Have any signed since "the strike vote"?

About 80 veteran players changed teams in free agency with the knowledge that the CBA was expiring. I don't see the strike vote or lack of a new CBA hampering players wanting to get a contact.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
The strike vote occurred on April 25. 47 players have been added to rosters since then according to https://www.cfl.ca/transactions/. So, yes.

Any name free agents in that mix?  Of course there are going to be neg listers, rookies and recruits on ELC's that have no options.  But a guy like Solly has options, and to max his proition, the SMS and other issues need to be defined...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 03, 2019, 10:11:00 PM
Any name free agents in that mix?  Of course there are going to be neg listers, rookies and recruits on ELC's that have no options.  But a guy like Solly has options, and to max his proition, the SMS and other issues need to be defined...

All the name free agents signed in February. Solly got released in the last few days. He has the same options as a rookie. There are 8 other teams he might get offers from in the CFL. Not all of them will be interested due to his potentially salary level.

His options might only be 2 or 3 teams so it's not rocket science. $180K is greater than $150K. See how easy that was?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: ModAdmin on May 04, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
David William Naylor

@TSNDaveNaylor

Hearing that @SolomonE56 is down to two teams with the @sskroughriders believed to be the front-runner. The @Ticats have also had interest. #CFL #Riders #ticats


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: thunderNlightning on May 04, 2019, 05:19:20 PM
David William Naylor

@TSNDaveNaylor

Hearing that @SolomonE56 is down to two teams with the @sskroughriders believed to be the front-runner. The @Ticats have also had interest. #CFL #Riders #ticats

Of course the Riders  ::)


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 04, 2019, 05:21:15 PM
David William Naylor

@TSNDaveNaylor

Hearing that @SolomonE56 is down to two teams with the @sskroughriders believed to be the front-runner. The @Ticats have also had interest. #CFL #Riders #ticats

What? Solly is negotiating with teams and not waiting for the new CBA according / speculated by Ardy? LOL :)


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: 4everalonghair on May 09, 2019, 03:24:35 PM
TSN reporting that he has signed with Saskatchewan



Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on May 09, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
TSN reporting that he has signed with Saskatchewan


too bad  he can?t play quarterback or Oline.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 09, 2019, 03:44:10 PM
Maybe now Aardy will believe players aren't waiting for the new CBA in order to sign somewhere. Would have preferred he landed out east so we didn't have to play against him so often.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: thunderNlightning on May 09, 2019, 03:54:30 PM
How does Sask have money to pay him?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: trapper on May 09, 2019, 03:56:29 PM
How does Sask have money to pay him?

Well...not having a $700K QB is a start...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: thunderNlightning on May 09, 2019, 04:03:36 PM
Well...not having a $700K QB is a start...

And Collaros is cheap?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 09, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
How does Sask have money to pay him?

Like most teams they lost some significant players and SMS as well. Some to NFL,some to CFL and some retirements.

More releases may follow in TC as SMS is recalculated on roster decisions.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: blueraid on May 09, 2019, 04:19:33 PM
Poor Solly going to that mess....You would think that they would be trying to pry a credible O line guy from somewhere....not a defensive player....but whatever ::)


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 09, 2019, 04:22:23 PM
Poor Solly going to that mess....You would think that they would be trying to pry a credible O line guy from somewhere....not a defensive player....but whatever ::)

Getting an OL might require a trade during TC. That doesn't happen often and I'm not sure who has extra OL depth they might be willing to trade.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: bluebeard on May 09, 2019, 04:24:42 PM
And Collaros is cheap?
Cheap by present day salaries....in the area of $430 k when incentives reach, I believe


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Pigskin on May 09, 2019, 04:31:38 PM
Nice that Solly found a home. He will help the Riders D as they lost a very important part of the D to us in the off season.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2019, 05:03:41 PM
Going to be interesting to watch him and Arcineaux adapt to SSK..

How does Sask have money to pay him?

Collaros is a bargain if he starts, LaBatte sucks up SMS on the oline, but no one else really does... although they might have to pony up now for a C if Clark is out long term...

It will be interesting to see what he settled for, not sure ODay will have saved money signing him as a FA rather than trading for him...

If anyone knew what the results of the CBA are expected to be, I'd guess it would be the VP of the CFLPA...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: TBURGESS on May 09, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
O'Day would have had to give something up to trade for Sol and he'd have to take on Sol's BC contract, so no... I don't think he'd have paid the same or less in a trade.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2019, 05:33:37 PM
O'Day would have had to give something up to trade for Sol and he'd have to take on Sol's BC contract, so no... I don't think he'd have paid the same or less in a trade.

Could have been had for a 7th rounder, a neg lister, a case of Gatorade... like I said it will be interesting to hear what his deal is, whether it was more or less than his BC deal, which he had negotiated down last year...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 09, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
Could have been had for a 7th rounder, a neg lister, a case of Gatorade... like I said it will be interesting to hear what his deal is, whether it was more or less than his BC deal, which he had negotiated down last year...

That would have meant taking on the balance of his contract including possible signing bonus etc. Allowing to re-negotiate length and amount of contract as a free agent is a no brainer than even giving up a 7th rounder.

While it would have guaranteed getting him as a more expensive free agent, not every other team would have interest or SMS to allow that to happen.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: thunderNlightning on May 09, 2019, 06:10:44 PM
That would have meant taking on the balance of his contract including possible signing bonus etc. Allowing to re-negotiate length and amount of contract as a free agent is a no brainer than even giving up a 7th rounder.

While it would have guaranteed getting him as a more expensive free agent, not every other team would have interest or SMS to allow that to happen.

Since when has Sask worried about sms?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2019, 06:36:33 PM
Depending on what he eventually signed for, though, it might have been more than what he was making on his renegotiated deal in BC... but whatevs...

So, is this the end of Hurl?  Or is he still valuable enough on teams?  They were paying him starter money, right?  Does he get cut in favour of Solly, and then let the Judge boys handle teams / backup MLB?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: GCn19 on May 09, 2019, 06:43:14 PM
Depending on what he eventually signed for, though, it might have been more than what he was making on his renegotiated deal in BC... but whatevs...

So, is this the end of Hurl?  Or is he still valuable enough on teams?  They were paying him starter money, right?  Does he get cut in favour of Solly, and then let the Judge boys handle teams / backup MLB?

Definitely the end of Hurl considering he wasn't re-signed by them and has been a FA since February. Also, there is zero chance that Solly is getting more now than before.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 09, 2019, 06:46:12 PM
Definitely the end of Hurl considering he wasn't re-signed by them and has been a FA since February. Also, there is zero chance that Solly is getting more now than before.

I agree that Solly isn't getting more than before. Hurl re-upped in February though. https://globalnews.ca/news/4948512/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-linebacker-sam-hurl-to-1-year-extension/


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: blue_or_die on May 09, 2019, 06:57:21 PM
I agree that Solly isn't getting more than before. Hurl re-upped in February though. https://globalnews.ca/news/4948512/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-linebacker-sam-hurl-to-1-year-extension/

He will "do exactly what is asked of him"!  ;)


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: booch on May 09, 2019, 07:14:35 PM
fact of the matter...Soli won't help that team at all on the offensive side of the which is where they need help...they had a good defense last year and couldn't make it happen and I doubt it's as good this year..in their minds they might be but the losses far outweigh what they replaced things with, not to mention losing Jones.



Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
He will "do exactly what is asked of him"!  ;)

But can they afford to pay a NAT MLB that was scheduled to start for them when they have signed a much more expensive Int MLB?  I guess it depends on if there is an SMS savings to cutting him, if he was smart and got up front money, it may be cheaper to keep him...  if he doesn't get paid until the season opens, or TC starts, then I'm guessing Solly makes him redundant.

Not happy he landed in the west, but it will make an interesting LDC / BB situation with team 100 on opposite sides of the ball...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: blue_or_die on May 09, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
But can they afford to pay a NAT MLB that was scheduled to start for them when they have signed a much more expensive Int MLB?  I guess it depends on if there is an SMS savings to cutting him, if he was smart and got up front money, it may be cheaper to keep him...  if he doesn't get paid until the season opens, or TC starts, then I'm guessing Solly makes him redundant.

Not happy he landed in the west, but it will make an interesting LDC / BB situation with team 100 on opposite sides of the ball...

I'm no expert on the Riders' situation and can't be bothered to lurk on RF, but as I understood it (and anyone correct me if I'm wrong), their plan was Nat at MLB, with Judge the starter and Hurl the backup.

If that's true, then it naturally follows Hurl is redundant as an MLB but I suspect his cap hit is friendly, and he is also very useful on STs, so keeping him as third on the DC is not a bad idea.

However, the issue of how the Solly signing impact their ratio -if their plan was to go Nat @ MLB- is an interesting question. Judge was probably one of their better Nats in a not-so-great group. Can he start at WIL?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 09, 2019, 08:02:36 PM
Just a guess but Hurl may be a casualty resulting from SMS trickle down. Riders also drafted a LB this year to that may ply into it as well.

We probably won't hear details on his new deal but it's reasonable to assume a reduction. Might include some performance clause that might get him more than his new base if things go well.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: SSC on May 09, 2019, 08:09:29 PM
July 20th B.C. at Sask. I'm going to watch that one.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on May 09, 2019, 08:26:59 PM
Depending on what he eventually signed for, though, it might have been more than what he was making on his renegotiated deal in BC... but whatevs...

So, is this the end of Hurl?  Or is he still valuable enough on teams?  They were paying him starter money, right?  Does he get cut in favour of Solly, and then let the Judge boys handle teams / backup MLB?

The Riders starting linebacking will probably end up being

WLB-Judge
MLB- Eliminian
SLB- Moncrief

Judge will probably be a better WLB, then MLB because of his speed and coverage ability.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: theaardvark on May 09, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
Just a guess but Hurl may be a casualty resulting from SMS trickle down. Riders also drafted a LB this year to that may ply into it as well.

We probably won't hear details on his new deal but it's reasonable to assume a reduction. Might include some performance clause that might get him more than his new base if things go well.

Solly did take a discount last year from his MODP year salary...   so I'm not sure if his salary in BC was that high...  or why he would sign for a discount if he had multiple teams interested in his services...its not like BC cutting him meant he has any less value.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 09, 2019, 08:47:27 PM
Solly did take a discount last year from his MODP year salary...   so I'm not sure if his salary in BC was that high...  or why he would sign for a discount if he had multiple teams interested in his services...its not like BC cutting him meant he has any less value.

Timing of finding a new team after big SMS spent in February. If his salary wasn't that high chances are he'd still be in BC. High is a relative term.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Pigskin on May 09, 2019, 08:47:30 PM
Signing a player to contract in the CFL means nothing. You can sign him today and cut him on Saturday. Hurl can still play teams.  


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: booch on May 09, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
Solly took a shave to 200k last year with agreement with Wally to extend it to this year...but looks like Hervey just isn't honeying past agreements and putting his stamp on things...


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 09, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
Solly took a shave to 200k last year with agreement with Wally to extend it to this year...but looks like Hervey just isn't honeying past agreements and putting his stamp on things...

I'm not sure what that word means.....at least not in this context.  ;D


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: booch on May 10, 2019, 07:19:31 AM
Haha..supposed to be honoring


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Ridermania on May 10, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
Farhan Lalji‏ Verified account @FarhanLaljiTSN
Elimimian is one year contract is worth $160,000, which given the circumstances is still a very good deal. #Riders #BCLions @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: BlueInCgy on May 10, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
Farhan Lalji‏ Verified account @FarhanLaljiTSN
Elimimian is one year contract is worth $160,000, which given the circumstances is still a very good deal. #Riders #BCLions @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

Yeah, if that number's correct, that seems like a really good deal.



Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 10, 2019, 11:09:31 AM
Yeah, if that number's correct, that seems like a really good deal.



I'd say it's fair market value. Solly has been one of the best in the league for many years but is coming off injury, hasn't played in almost a year, was playing average football in the few games prior to his injury last year, and is 33 years old and looks like he lost a fight with a donut store. It's a prove it year for him.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 10, 2019, 12:11:09 PM
I'd say it's fair market value. Solly has been one of the best in the league for many years but is coming off injury, hasn't played in almost a year, was playing average football in the few games prior to his injury last year, and is 33 years old and looks like he lost a fight with a donut store. It's a prove it year for him.

He won't be 33 until October but yea, I think it's fair market value for him.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 10, 2019, 12:15:40 PM
We got Bighill, a better player with far fewer question marks, for 175k under similar circumstances last year.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 10, 2019, 01:10:35 PM
Farhan Lalji‏ Verified account @FarhanLaljiTSN
Elimimian is one year contract is worth $160,000, which given the circumstances is still a very good deal. #Riders #BCLions @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

A good deal for the Riders and for a starting MLB. Too much to pay if he was considered elsewhere as a WIL.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: 1chad on May 10, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
Good signing for the Riders, but they still need to shore up their OLine and WR depth


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 11, 2019, 05:50:58 AM
$160k is a steal for SSK.  And they needed MLB.  Desperately.

I would have bit at $160k for Solly for WPG though had we not found our star receiver.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 11, 2019, 01:34:25 PM
$160k is a steal for SSK.  And they needed MLB.  Desperately.

I would have bit at $160k for Solly for WPG though had we not found our star receiver.


Question is why Hufnagel did not push the price beyond $160,000, right now he's sitting with a broken down Cory Greenwood as his MLB with little indication Singleton will return this year.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Nic16 on May 11, 2019, 02:53:09 PM
Solly will be a very good addition to the middle of Sask?s D (with Micah & Evans), as long as he can manage to stay off the IR. He?s not a big man and he has dished out & taken a lot of punishment over the yrs. Gotta love the guy though, he?s fun to watch when he?s flying around the field.



Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 12, 2019, 03:09:22 AM
Question is why Hufnagel did not push the price beyond $160,000, right now he's sitting with a broken down Cory Greenwood as his MLB with little indication Singleton will return this year.

Good question.  I can think of 2 answers:
1. Huff knows something we don't (i.e. Singleton will likely be back)
and/or
2. Huff never puts up big bucks for other-team, all-star "oldsters", he just goes out and finds the next Singleton and Rogers.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Ridermania on May 12, 2019, 01:39:50 PM
Singleton will not be back in the CFL.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 12, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
Singleton will not be back in the CFL.

Maybe not this season but eventually. I wish him well in his NFL career though.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 13, 2019, 03:16:28 AM
Singleton will not be back in the CFL.

Hmm, if Bighill came back, Singleton will too.  Bighill>Singleton.  The only thing Singles has going for him vs Bighill is he's starting in the NFL much younger.  But is Singleton smaller than Bighill?  If Bighill wasn't big enough, why would Singleton be?  And Singleton is not even remotely as smart as Biggie.

I think he'll do the usual NFL tour, sit on PRs, get some game reps, fail to wow, and mope back here in 2-3 years.  And nothing wrong with that.  Half the CFL does that.  Make enough money down there to last the rest of your life and then return to the CFL for fun and actual game time.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Pigskin on May 13, 2019, 03:45:08 AM
Alex is 25, 6-2, 232.

Adam is 30, 5-10, 230.

Adam was 28 when he left BC to try out for the Saints.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: theaardvark on May 22, 2019, 02:52:22 PM
Troy Westwood @TroyWestwood

Just a wee bit of motivation for Mr. Elimimian... #CFL
"Lions GM Ed Hervey on Solomon Elimimian: ?we know when a players? time is up?"


I guess Wally taught him well?

But is it really good to give a player, any player, even one past what you believe is his "Best Before" date, any kind of bulletin board material?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: NewBlue on May 22, 2019, 03:16:42 PM
"We know when a players time is up..."

Kinda like they did with Andrew Harris?  :o


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 22, 2019, 03:38:23 PM
Troy Westwood @TroyWestwood

Just a wee bit of motivation for Mr. Elimimian... #CFL
"Lions GM Ed Hervey on Solomon Elimimian: ?we know when a players? time is up?"


I guess Wally taught him well?

But is it really good to give a player, any player, even one past what you believe is his "Best Before" date, any kind of bulletin board material?

I'm not sure the full context but that's a stupid thing to say. I suppose it's motivation, but much more, it's just disrespectful to a former franchise player. The whole thing was done poorly. We moved on from Chris Randle and Walters said nothing but good things about him and wished him well. That's the very least you can do for any player, but particuarly one who provided so much. 


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: trapper on May 22, 2019, 03:52:55 PM
"We know when a players time is up..."

Kinda like they did with Andrew Harris?  :o

Exactly.  Hervey has many people fooled.  Kavis Reed in Montreal aside (you'd have to look at the Gliebermans to find worse mgt) Hervey is a terrible GM.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 22, 2019, 04:03:14 PM
"We know when a players time is up..."

Kinda like they did with Andrew Harris?  :o

Different situation. Harris chose not to return to BC, and Solly was released by them while still under contract.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 22, 2019, 06:53:51 PM
Different situation. Harris chose not to return to BC, and Solly was released by them while still under contract.

No, Bighill chose not to return to BC (well, he did give them a heads up and a chance).  Harris was coming up for FA and BC chose to let him go precisely because Wally said he was past his prime (well that and they probably couldn't afford him anymore, especially for a team that doesn't really value RBs).

Hervey is being just like Wally.  That's fine with me.  I don't think the players take it too personally, and if they do and it motivates them, all the better.  Wally was a great.  Hervey is going to bomb.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: the paw on May 22, 2019, 07:18:10 PM
Exactly.  Hervey has many people fooled.  Kavis Reed in Montreal aside (you'd have to look at the Gliebermans to find worse mgt) Hervey is a terrible GM.

I don't think Hervey is a bad GM in the sense that I believe he can build a roster successfully.  However, he is an arrogant tool, which led not only to his downfall in Edmonton over microphonegate, but leads him to say stupid crap that insults his players unnecessarily.  He is one of those clowns who confuses frankness with a lack of manners. 


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: booch on May 22, 2019, 08:39:46 PM
he can build a team...but is an ego maniac...he built the team that Jones reaped the rewards from


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 24, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
No, Bighill chose not to return to BC (well, he did give them a heads up and a chance).  Harris was coming up for FA and BC chose to let him go precisely because Wally said he was past his prime (well that and they probably couldn't afford him anymore, especially for a team that doesn't really value RBs).

Hervey is being just like Wally.  That's fine with me.  I don't think the players take it too personally, and if they do and it motivates them, all the better.  Wally was a great.  Hervey is going to bomb.


That is fiction. Harris had pretty much announced in November of his last season in BC that he was going to leave. Wally stated that he offered Harris a very generous contract offer that was reported by TSN to be in the 140-150k a year range. He also stated that he could not offer more due to SMS restraints.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: DM83 on May 24, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
I never believed Hervey or Kavis earned their way to the positions they are in now. A lack,of experience fostered dumb decision making.  Plus were they ever leaders or stars?

I didn't think so, good players, but during their careers, not leaders?  Were they?
Slight nuances regarding evaluating players and managing them seems to be lacking in their personal experience.

I have zero faith in those guys to carry on a franchise, or actually even just shop for groceries. IMHO! Lol!

However lots of idiots get top positions.  They just have to take advantage of the opportunity. I couldn't say they have.  Certainly not poor Kavis.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: BlueInCgy on May 24, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
I can't speak to Kavis' on field because I wasn't a "whole league" fan in the late 90s, but I remember Hervey being a pretty good player (two time league all star) and being recognized as a leader.

I actually don't think being great on the field routinely translates into being a great in a management/coaching role, in fact the opposite is usually true (there are some exceptions like Dickenson, but his coaching abilities come more from studying under Huff than anything else).  Milanovich wasn't a great QB.  Calvillo was, but he's not a great coach (thus far).  Dunigan was terrible as a coach/GM, regardless of how bad the team was around him, and they were terrible.  Wade Miller was awesome at going intentionally offside to push the kick team back to concede a single, but he was never an all star after fact checking on wikipedia, apparently he was an all star.  Maas had a few good years as a player, and decent years as a coach, though he benefitted greatly from having both Ray and Reilly.

Personally, I think Kavis should have packed it in years ago, but somehow he's managed to stick around.  Hervey?  He's got to learn to keep his mouth shut more often to avoid turning into a Kavis.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: VictorRomano on May 24, 2019, 12:21:22 PM
Plus were they ever leaders or stars?

A good soldier rarely makes a good general.  Just because you won the genetic lottery and were a physically-talented player doesn't mean you have what it takes to coach.  I've worked with a bunch of ex-pros, including some of the most physically-gifted humans I've ever been around, who couldn't coach their way out a paper bag; many can't manage people or the diverse personalities that make a team, many are arrogant and are unwilling to consider the views of others, and they often have an ego that could choke a horse.  Conversely, I've also worked with amazing coaches who never played pro, as they didn't have the physical gifts.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 24, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
A good soldier rarely makes a good general.  Just because you won the genetic lottery and were a physically-talented player doesn't mean you have what it takes to coach.  I've worked with a bunch of ex-pros, including some of the most physically-gifted humans I've ever been around, who couldn't coach their way out a paper bag; many can't manage people or the diverse personalities that make a team, many are arrogant and are unwilling to consider the views of others, and they often have an ego that could choke a horse.  Conversely, I've also worked with amazing coaches who never played pro, as they didn't have the physical gifts.

Milt Stegall has often stated he would make a lousy coach.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 24, 2019, 12:31:44 PM
A good soldier rarely makes a good general.  Just because you won the genetic lottery and were a physically-talented player doesn't mean you have what it takes to coach.  I've worked with a bunch of ex-pros, including some of the most physically-gifted humans I've ever been around, who couldn't coach their way out a paper bag; many can't manage people or the diverse personalities that make a team, many are arrogant and are unwilling to consider the views of others, and they often have an ego that could choke a horse.  Conversely, I've also worked with amazing coaches who never played pro, as they didn't have the physical gifts.

There are also excellent players who have become excellent coaches. There really is no right way or wrong way to enter the coaching ranks. Those who are great and honest communicators/teachers will rise to the top no matter how or why they were recruited as coaches.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 25, 2019, 05:47:36 AM
Personally, I think Kavis should have packed it in years ago, but somehow he's managed to stick around.  Hervey?  He's got to learn to keep his mouth shut more often to avoid turning into a Kavis.

But Kavis gave us one of the most priceless moments in CFL presser-dom... Consequences!  Whenever I feel down about the Bombers or something, I just fire that up for a re-watch and it always brightens my day.

If having Kavis around can give us more of those moments, keep him in the CFL forever!  (Personally, I think Kavis is a decent coach, and I have nothing against him.)

And for everyone who thinks Kavis can't coach/GM worth beans, we should thank our lucky stars he's still here destroying a competitor team, making our guys' jobs that much easier (free spot on the Bingo game card!).


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: buckzumhoff on May 25, 2019, 11:19:11 AM
chris jones decimated his team. they had it all together the year before he took over. Now hes in the NFL. Sask rebuilding with older players, Eliminian will help. They have to do something since Jones cut everyone or 50 per cent of the team and then asked his starters to take a pay cut for his big front office salary.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: trapper on May 25, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
chris jones decimated his team. they had it all together the year before he took over. Now hes in the NFL. Sask rebuilding with older players, Eliminian will help. They have to do something since Jones cut everyone or 50 per cent of the team and then asked his starters to take a pay cut for his big front office salary.

Say what?  They had it all together before Jones came in?  3-15 is "all together"???  ???


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: buckzumhoff on May 25, 2019, 07:35:36 PM
They were 10-8 the year before and won the cup the year before. That.  Chris Jones came in fired everyone. Just hope he doesnt or isnt the defensive coordinator in Cleveland. The offensses in the nfl are good. And im sure he will show his schemes and their defense wil get beat by schemes and not talent.  Cleveland was improving.  They will probably get eaten except for the fact they picked up Bush from kansas City. They will have to put up points with that moron running the defense.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: bluebeard on May 25, 2019, 08:14:47 PM
They were 10-8 the year before and won the cup the year before. That.  Chris Jones came in fired everyone. Just hope he doesnt or isnt the defensive coordinator in Cleveland. The offensses in the nfl are good. And im sure he will show his schemes and their defense wil get beat by schemes and not talent.  Cleveland was improving.  They will probably get eaten except for the fact they picked up Bush from kansas City. They will have to put up points with that moron running the defense.
Jones is not the DC in Cleveland, just the senior assistant on defence.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: trapper on May 26, 2019, 02:56:00 PM
They were 10-8 the year before and won the cup the year before. That. 

You mean the year they loss 6 of their last 7?  Followed by 3-15.  When Jones came in the Riders were on a 4-21 run....

The stars that got the team the 2013 were done. 


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: GCn19 on May 26, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
The 2013 stars were still there, they were past their expiry date though. The Riders roster is again long in the tooth and playing chicken with father time.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: DM83 on May 26, 2019, 04:13:25 PM
The. Problem is that Kavis lack of appropriate skills, has in all likelihood alienated the fan base.  Now they are on the eve of extinction.

That poor organization is doomed until they get rid of him.

Toronto is a lost cause. Championship teams and players, good coaches, and still they can't figure out how to make it work.  I fear their extinction.

Here is a conspiracy theory idea.

Is the NFL exhibition game in Winnioeg a "litmus" test event?
Wouldn't it be a great idea to gauge the public response, regarding  fan interest to the NFL?  Because, if looking at the possibility of the writing is on the wall for the death of the CFL, could a potential merger be in the works?
At this time the East has only one competitive team, Hamilton.  The West-  four potential franchises with stadiums that could be expanded or modified to hold 50,000. Or already can. Calgary will. Get a new one sooner or later.

Winnipeg and Sask would be the Greenbays of the North!. Plus with NFL revenue sharing?....does it work? The others have the proximity to populations over one million people, .....


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 26, 2019, 04:47:36 PM
The. Problem is that Kavis lack of appropriate skills, has in all likelihood alienated the fan base.  Now they are on the eve of extinction.

That poor organization is doomed until they get rid of him.

Toronto is a lost cause. Championship teams and players, good coaches, and still they can't figure out how to make it work.  I fear their extinction.

Here is a conspiracy theory idea.

Is the NFL exhibition game in Winnioeg a "litmus" test event?
Wouldn't it be a great idea to gauge the public response, regarding  fan interest to the NFL?  Because, if looking at the possibility of the writing is on the wall for the death of the CFL, could a potential merger be in the works?
At this time the East has only one competitive team, Hamilton.  The West-  four potential franchises with stadiums that could be expanded or modified to hold 50,000. Or already can. Calgary will. Get a new one sooner or later.

Winnipeg and Sask would be the Greenbays of the North!. Plus with NFL revenue sharing?....does it work? The others have the proximity to populations over one million people, .....

Fantasy theory more than conspiracy theory.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: DM83 on May 26, 2019, 04:57:18 PM
Like I said.......its in all likelihood, an "event" to generate some revenue and creatively do that.
But hey, every great achievement starts off with the first step.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Waffler on May 26, 2019, 05:03:43 PM

Here is a conspiracy theory idea.

Is the NFL exhibition game in Winnioeg a "litmus" test event?
Wouldn't it be a great idea to gauge the public response, regarding  fan interest to the NFL?  Because, if looking at the possibility of the writing is on the wall for the death of the CFL, could a potential merger be in the works?
At this time the East has only one competitive team, Hamilton.  The West-  four potential franchises with stadiums that could be expanded or modified to hold 50,000. Or already can. Calgary will. Get a new one sooner or later.

Winnipeg and Sask would be the Greenbays of the North!. Plus with NFL revenue sharing?....does it work? The others have the proximity to populations over one million people, .....

I love the theory but football outdoors in Dec and Jan?


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: trapper on May 26, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
The. Problem is that Kavis lack of appropriate skills, has in all likelihood alienated the fan base.  Now they are on the eve of extinction.

That poor organization is doomed until they get rid of him.

Toronto is a lost cause. Championship teams and players, good coaches, and still they can't figure out how to make it work.  I fear their extinction.

Here is a conspiracy theory idea.

Is the NFL exhibition game in Winnioeg a "litmus" test event?
Wouldn't it be a great idea to gauge the public response, regarding  fan interest to the NFL?  Because, if looking at the possibility of the writing is on the wall for the death of the CFL, could a potential merger be in the works?
At this time the East has only one competitive team, Hamilton.  The West-  four potential franchises with stadiums that could be expanded or modified to hold 50,000. Or already can. Calgary will. Get a new one sooner or later.

Winnipeg and Sask would be the Greenbays of the North!. Plus with NFL revenue sharing?....does it work? The others have the proximity to populations over one million people, .....

No material TV market....and that terrible exchange rate...couldn't work.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: bluebeard on May 26, 2019, 05:54:46 PM
Who has a billion in their pocket for an NFL franchise fee...and that is American.  We have problems paying a small fee for the stadium build.


Title: Re: Solomon Elimimian released...and signed with the riders...
Post by: Blue In BC on May 26, 2019, 06:58:34 PM
Who has a billion in their pocket for an NFL franchise fee...and that is American.  We have problems paying a small fee for the stadium build.

There are probably a 1/2 dozen cities in the USA that are on the consideration list for new NFL franchises at any given time. An NFL city in Canada is so far from any probability of being of any interest to the NFL.