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Title: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Ridermania on March 08, 2019, 06:59:56 PM
It's very early for this but always fun to read and get a take on some available players for the 2019 CFL Draft.

Round One
1. Toronto Argonauts - OL Kyle Saxelid, UNLV
2. Hamilton Tiger-Cats  - REC Hergy Mayala, UConn
3. Edmonton Eskimos - DL Mathieu Betts, Laval
4. Winnipeg Blue Bombers (via B.C. Lions) - OL Drew Desjarlais, Windsor
5. Winnipeg Blue Bombers - DL Connor Griffiths, UBC
6. Saskatchewan Roughriders - OL Samuel Thomassin, Laval
7. Ottawa Redblacks - OL Zach Wilkinson, Northern Colorado
8. Calgary Stampeders - OL Alex Fontana, Kansas

Round Two
9. Toronto Argonauts - REC Justin McInnis, Arkansas State
10. Hamilton Tiger-Cats (via Montreal Alouettes) - OL Shane Richards, Oklahoma State
11. Hamilton Tiger-Cats - DB Jamie Harry, Ottawa
12. Edmonton Eskimos - DB Malcolm Lee, UBC
13. Montreal Alouettes (via B.C. Lions) - DL Robbie Smith, Laurier
14. Winnipeg Blue Bombers - RB Brady Oliveira, North Dakota
15. Saskatchewan Roughriders - DL Jonathan Kongbo, Tennessee
16. Ottawa Redblacks - REC Alexandre Savard, Laval
17. Calgary Stampeders - REC Brayden Dickey, New Mexico

Round 3 and more player info can be found in the attached article.

https://3downnation.com/2019/03/08/john-hodges-2019-cfl-mock-draft-1-0/


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Fire101 on March 08, 2019, 07:14:30 PM
Round 1 selection of OL and DL would take care of the glaring needs.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 08, 2019, 07:22:16 PM
Both the combine and the interviews will have more to do with draft order than these players histories up until now...  NFL interest is another big factor... many of these players are already being actively scouted by NFL teams...

But sure, its nice to have something to debate in the doldrums of March...

Although why Riderfans would be interested, with only 6 picks... ;)



The 2019 CFL Draft will take place on May 2, 2019. 71 players will be chosen from among eligible players from Canadian universities, as well as Canadian players playing in the United States on NCAA or NAIA teams.
First selection: Toronto Argonauts
Most selections: Winnipeg Blue Bombers (9); T...
Date(s): May 2, 2019
Fewest selections: Saskatchewan Roughriders (6)


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Pigskin on March 08, 2019, 07:55:11 PM
Well right now Desjartais and Griffiths are not even in the top 20. I think if Kongbo, Bettis, or Richards are there, the bombers are scooping them up. You also mite see us package up a couple of our picks to get a little higher in the draft.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 08, 2019, 07:59:27 PM
Haven't done much research into this year's draft class yet but it makes a lot of sense for the Bombers to draft a DL, OL with our first round picks. It's what i am expecting.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 08, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
Depending on later draft rankings, if we really want someone like Betts, perhaps we trade up during draft day.

Edmonton already has Boateng but also several other Canadian DL. That may sway their decision to a better prospect like Betts, or may sway them more towards an OL.

Not sure what they think about that DL depth with those other Canadians. They re-signed Bond and then signed Sir V. Rogers and appear to be a 3 import OL.

So Betts might not be on their radar.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 08, 2019, 09:13:07 PM
Depending on later draft rankings, if we really want someone like Betts, perhaps we trade up during draft day.

Edmonton already has Boateng but also several other Canadian DL. That may sway their decision to a better prospect like Betts, or may sway them more towards an OL.

Not sure what they think about that DL depth with those other Canadians. They re-signed Bond and then signed Sir V. Rogers and appear to be a 3 import OL.

So Betts might not be on their radar.

If they go 3 Int Oline, doesn't that put Betts more on their radar as a Nat spot other than Oline?  It does sound like he is the real deal, and barring getting drafted into the NFL, or signing as an undrafted FA, might be the top guy being chased this year?


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 08, 2019, 09:22:46 PM
If they go 3 Int Oline, doesn't that put Betts more on their radar as a Nat spot other than Oline?  It does sound like he is the real deal, and barring getting drafted into the NFL, or signing as an undrafted FA, might be the top guy being chased this year?

I don't know. They have Bagnall ( currently suspended ), Gill, Mackie and Marshall on their roster at the moment as Canadian DL. Mackie and Marshall are DE type players and have some experience.

So it appears they are in a better position on their DL than their OL as far as ratio and developmental players.

If Betts is as good as advertised and expected to possibly start they may not have room for that in 2019. Their imports on the DL are pretty good and include Sewell and Bazzie.

We'll see the final rankings end up and by then we'll have more idea who might be NFL bound and what their chances might be. Having consecutive 1st round picks might be an advantage this year in a good draft class.

Not that I want to get rid of Roh but a good Canadian DE that can rotate could eliminate needing to have ROH as a DI. We could 1 game IR him and alternate him in and out of game day AR for whichever import DE is a little dinged.

Just a thought. He could rise or fall in the draft or other teams may target him at # 1 -2 in the 1st round ahead of Edmonton.

Some of the other posters thought Kabongo was pretty good as well so there are a couple of Canadians that sound like good picks.

I also like the RB pick shown in the current mock draft. So we're going to get some good players one way or another.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on March 08, 2019, 10:25:44 PM
Two high picks; my 2 cents I think we take the top rated guy that is probably going to the NFL ALA Gray with #5 and at #4 the best lineman whether that be offensive or defensive. My reasoning is we are decent in CDN depth, and first round picks are not cheap so taking a guy going to the NFL saves us a peso or two. My only caveat is if one of the RB's test off the charts or blows us away, I could see us bringing in more competition with Augustine in drafting a RB in the top 5.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: M.O.A.B. on March 08, 2019, 10:44:19 PM
@ #4 & #5

Best OL Available
and
Best Player Available


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sec223 on March 09, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
If you were guaranteed #1 would not go to the NFL would you trade 4 and 5 for him ?


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: M.O.A.B. on March 09, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
If you were guaranteed #1 would not go to the NFL would you trade 4 and 5 for him ?

No. Thats still 2 player vs 1. Not all players picked at #1 are good.
Somewhere I see Ekakite and JSJ talking how high they were drafted while working at Tims.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Jesse on March 09, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
Two high picks; my 2 cents I think we take the top rated guy that is probably going to the NFL ALA Gray with #5 and at #4 the best lineman whether that be offensive or defensive. My reasoning is we are decent in CDN depth, and first round picks are not cheap so taking a guy going to the NFL saves us a peso or two. My only caveat is if one of the RB's test off the charts or blows us away, I could see us bringing in more competition with Augustine in drafting a RB in the top 5.

I really expect us to draft a RB if they show well at combine/pro days.

Walters has gone out of his way to mention guys at the RB position.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 09, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
Can we afford 2 1st round picks if we're " stashing " some money to acquire another top free agent at a later date?

1st round picks are expensive and that was why we traded ours in 2018 and ended up with 2 in 2019.

It wouldn't be the worst idea to draft 2 players. Just saying it might not be the best idea depending on how we look at it. Drafting a player going to NFL is a bit of a risk that can work out later or never.

We have 26 Canadians on the roster at the moment, I'd say only about 4 are at any risk of not making the roster ( which includes DR, IR and PR ). I'm guessing we have about 30 on the various rosters when all is said and done.

Something like 8 draft choices available to the team.

I could see some later round picks being used for NFL bound players as their draft rankings drop.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: M.O.A.B. on March 09, 2019, 03:44:14 PM
we got 9 this draft


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 09, 2019, 07:16:17 PM
Ok. Use our # 23 or #24 pick on a player that might be taking a shot at the NFL.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 10, 2019, 02:56:00 PM
Ok. Use our # 23 or #24 pick on a player that might be taking a shot at the NFL.

Or an Olineman that has one more year of eligibility left and can go back to school...  I'm thinking we might use 4 or 5 on an NFL bound player if the other first rounder is a lock to sign for this year.  Interviews are everything, and it would be nice to bring a couple players in for one on ones here...


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 10, 2019, 05:23:58 PM
Or an Olineman that has one more year of eligibility left and can go back to school...  I'm thinking we might use 4 or 5 on an NFL bound player if the other first rounder is a lock to sign for this year.  Interviews are everything, and it would be nice to bring a couple players in for one on ones here...

A player going to NFL probably drops lower so I don't know we have to use one of our top 2 picks.

We've also got pick # 14 which might be the place for the NFL guy. Maybe use both #14 & # 23 with players going to NFL.

It's going to depend on who is left that we wanted and whether they are left. # 14 might still be a player they expect to make our 2019 roster.



Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 10, 2019, 07:33:08 PM
With SMS left, having both 4th and 5th picks report to camp would not be impossible to swing this year.  But I think we're going to see one solid report to camp player chosen, and then maybe the best overall player in the draft who has already declared NFL interest.  Actually, probably reverse that order (the salary a 4th pick gets might be marginally higher than a 5th pick, right?)...


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 11, 2019, 12:40:57 PM
With SMS left, having both 4th and 5th picks report to camp would not be impossible to swing this year.  But I think we're going to see one solid report to camp player chosen, and then maybe the best overall player in the draft who has already declared NFL interest.  Actually, probably reverse that order (the salary a 4th pick gets might be marginally higher than a 5th pick, right?)...

I'd be surprised. We didn't have the best free agency and we've lost several Canadian starters and replaced them with depth. Even in the best case scenario, that it all works out, you've still got to replace the depth. I think we roster both those first picks.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 11, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
Can't disagree that drafting 2 players in the 1st round is not a bad idea. If reports are true that it's a talented draft class then all the more so.  At least if the best of the best don't all look at NFL opportunities.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 11, 2019, 03:17:43 PM
I'd be surprised. We didn't have the best free agency and we've lost several Canadian starters and replaced them with depth. Even in the best case scenario, that it all works out, you've still got to replace the depth. I think we roster both those first picks.

It's called "filling the pipe".  We have been "filling the pipe" for a while, and are starting to see some of the deeper picks maturing into players with a possibility of taking starting roles.  Sure, first rounders may step in year one or two, but deeper picks can take time, they can be projects.  And even go back to university.  So the draft and develop methodology has been in place a while, and we should be seeing some benefit this year... 


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 11, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
It's called "filling the pipe".  We have been "filling the pipe" for a while, and are starting to see some of the deeper picks maturing into players with a possibility of taking starting roles.  Sure, first rounders may step in year one or two, but deeper picks can take time, they can be projects.  And even go back to university.  So the draft and develop methodology has been in place a while, and we should be seeing some benefit this year... 

So glad we've discovered this new way of doing things. Back in reality, roster sizes are fixed. All teams have limited space and short windows to develop players. About half of every year's draft picks will be released by August of the same year. There are exceptions but on the whole, if you're not close we're not interested. That's the reality of the CFL's rookie world. Most late-rounders project out to back-up and depth roles. Blue-chip prospects are the lifeblood of a team with strong national starters and those are typically and most easily found early in the draft. This is a year where we could use actual bodies in camp.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 11, 2019, 04:25:30 PM
So glad we've discovered this new way of doing things. Back in reality, roster sizes are fixed. All teams have limited space and short windows to develop players. About half of every year's draft picks will be released by August of the same year. There are exceptions but on the whole, if you're not close we're not interested. That's the reality of the CFL's rookie world. Most late-rounders project out to back-up and depth roles. Blue-chip prospects are the lifeblood of a team with strong national starters and those are typically and most easily found early in the draft. This is a year where we could use actual bodies in camp.

We still have players from the 2018 draft coming to camp this year...

Walters mentioned in an interview that Olinemen Matthew Ouellet De Carlo and Ben Koczwara will be in camp, guys that we drafted last year and sent back to school.  Firlotte is another 2018 draftee that is coming to camp this spring.  Conteh is a 2017 pick that has been in the pipe... and we have 9 DP's in this deep draft, including 4 and 5... 

Yes, we could use bodies in camp, and I see them expending a first rounder (5th) on a DL that has committed to coming to the CFL this year.  But I can see the other first rounder (4th) as a Best Player Available, regardless NFL aspirations (unless he declares, like Onyemata, that he will never consider a CFL job).

There will probably be 5 or 6 new DP's in camp... plus the 3 from last draft...  and maybe an undrafted player or two, we have scored with those before.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 11, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
We still have players from the 2018 draft coming to camp this year...

Walters mentioned in an interview that Olinemen Matthew Ouellet De Carlo and Ben Koczwara will be in camp, guys that we drafted last year and sent back to school.  Firlotte is another 2018 draftee that is coming to camp this spring.  Conteh is a 2017 pick that has been in the pipe... and we have 9 DP's in this deep draft, including 4 and 5... 

Yes, we could use bodies in camp, and I see them expending a first rounder (5th) on a DL that has committed to coming to the CFL this year.  But I can see the other first rounder (4th) as a Best Player Available, regardless NFL aspirations (unless he declares, like Onyemata, that he will never consider a CFL job).

There will probably be 5 or 6 new DP's in camp... plus the 3 from last draft...  and maybe an undrafted player or two, we have scored with those before.


Aardvark -- Ouellet De Carlo was a 6th round pick. Koczwara was picked in the 8th. They were sent back to school because they weren't even ready for a development spot on last year's team. It's more likely than not they never will be. Our 4th or 5th overall pick will instantly be ahead of them on the depth chart if they report to camp this year. I'm not sure what Conteh has to do with anything. Yes, he's stuck around (more or less) and got in a few games but he's got five special teams tackles over 14 games in two years. Will he be around this year? Hard to say.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Blue In BC on March 11, 2019, 05:21:04 PM
Aardvark -- Ouellet De Carlo was a 6th round pick. Koczwara was picked in the 8th. They were sent back to school because they weren't even ready for a development spot on last year's team. It's more likely than not they never will be. Our 4th or 5th overall pick will instantly be ahead of them on the depth chart if they report to camp this year. I'm not sure what Conteh has to do with anything. Yes, he's stuck around (more or less) and got in a few games but he's got five special teams tackles over 14 games in two years. Will he be around this year? Hard to say.

Exactly. Those names are players that quite likely will get bumped by 2019 draft choices. Even Speller might get bumped depending on who we draft.

A low draft choice or undrafted player like ( Speller ) might surprise but odds are against these particular players. Having bodies is necessary but high expectations for them becoming starters is not the same.

Spooner was a # 15 pick and the team didn't keep him around.



Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 12, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
Late round picks used on players heading back to college don't always pay off, but those players, had they entered the next years draft quite possibly move up considerably.  Something Walters mentioned as their "MO"... 

Sure, they may show up at camp and get blown away by this year's higher draft picks, or they might not.  Either waythey are extra bodies in camp, competing.   Which means, with 9 picks this year, you can use a few for NFL bound players and more OLine heading back to school...  keep filling that pipe


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 12, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
Late round picks used on players heading back to college don't always pay off, but those players, had they entered the next years draft quite possibly move up considerably.  Something Walters mentioned as their "MO"... 

Sure, they may show up at camp and get blown away by this year's higher draft picks, or they might not.  Either waythey are extra bodies in camp, competing.   Which means, with 9 picks this year, you can use a few for NFL bound players and more OLine heading back to school...  keep filling that pipe

Of course we can. We have pretty good national depth all things considered -- although some of that depth is going to be seriously tested this year, in ways it hasn't in the past couple. I just mentioned it's my guess that we're going to use pick 4 & 5 on players we can roster this season. Probably along the OL and DL like the mock draft suggested. You went into this song and dance about "pipe filling" and how special we are.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: theaardvark on March 12, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
Of course we can. We have pretty good national depth all things considered -- although some of that depth is going to be seriously tested this year, in ways it hasn't in the past couple. I just mentioned it's my guess that we're going to use pick 4 & 5 on players we can roster this season. Probably along the OL and DL like the mock draft suggested. You went into this song and dance about "pipe filling" and how special we are.

And what I was saying is that we won't have to draft 2 "to be rostered" players at 4 and 5, we have lots of bodies for camp.  Players that have NFL aspirations drop in the draft, and players that are willing to come directly to the CFL that year go higher.  I think we should take one "less talented" but CFL committed player at 5, and the best player available at 4... I think our roster will be fine with one first rounder this year...


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 12, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
And what I was saying is that we won't have to draft 2 "to be rostered" players at 4 and 5, we have lots of bodies for camp.  Players that have NFL aspirations drop in the draft, and players that are willing to come directly to the CFL that year go higher.  I think we should take one "less talented" but CFL committed player at 5, and the best player available at 4... I think our roster will be fine with one first rounder this year...

We don't have to do anything I suppose, but my prediction is we will do that. "Lots of bodies in camp" doesn't tell me anything nor is it particularly relevant. ALL teams have "the legally allowed number of bodies" in camp. I'm not confident that a 6th or 8th round pick from last year's draft will be good enough to win a backup job on the OL this year which would make them one season-ending injury away from being a full-time CFL starter. I think we are looking to start a Canadian on the defensive line in week 1 and therefore we might be willing to take another chance at drafting a solution to that problem. We have enough holes that need to be immediately filled to take a future with pick 4 or 5, in my opinion. It made a ton of sense in previous years, but every season is different.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 12, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
We don't have to do anything I suppose, but my prediction is we will do that. "Lots of bodies in camp" doesn't tell me anything nor is it particularly relevant. ALL teams have "the legally allowed number of bodies" in camp. I'm not confident that a 6th or 8th round pick from last year's draft will be good enough to win a backup job on the OL this year which would make them one season-ending injury away from being a full-time CFL starter. I think we are looking to start a Canadian on the defensive line in week 1 and therefore we might be willing to take another chance at drafting a solution to that problem. We have enough holes that need to be immediately filled to take a future with pick 4 or 5, in my opinion. It made a ton of sense in previous years, but every season is different.

I really can't see it, and no great reason ratio wise to start a Natl. DT as they can always adjust the ratio by adding another Natl. receiver if they decide to start 3 Import O-linemen.  As it stands they have Bryant, Thomas and Forde playing DT, that means at times Bryant would end up on the sideline in rotation as it's unlikely he has the stamina to play an entire game.  Starting a DT draft pick coming out of college sounds pretty unlikely, the bullies across the line from him would eat his lunch and shove the empty lunch-bag up his ***.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: TBURGESS on March 12, 2019, 06:50:09 PM
I think that one of the DT spots will be an NI this year and that we will draft at least one who will be pencilled into the rotation.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: blue girl on March 12, 2019, 07:22:45 PM
I really can't see it, and no great reason ratio wise to start a Natl. DT as they can always adjust the ratio by adding another Natl. receiver if they decide to start 3 Import O-linemen.  As it stands they have Bryant, Thomas and Forde playing DT, that means at times Bryant would end up on the sideline in rotation as it's unlikely he has the stamina to play an entire game.  Starting a DT draft pick coming out of college sounds pretty unlikely, the bullies across the line from him would eat his lunch and shove the empty lunch-bag up his ***.
You're right. Kyle Walters said last night that they haven't decided where to start the 7th non-import. IMO it will be at DT, OL or receiver.


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: booch on March 12, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
I think ratio wise we go same as last year to be honest, 3 o-lineman..2 receivers...running back and safety. Although I have a feeling we may just say each game we are starting 8 Nationals...with Thomas or Forde the "token" starter on defense, but not needed so we can technically sub freely on defense with an import anywhere needed just leaving the safety in and still meeting the required 7 starters...would allow us some flexability and different use of our DI's on defense


Title: Re: 2019 Mock Draft
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on March 13, 2019, 10:23:19 AM
I think ratio wise we go same as last year to be honest, 3 o-lineman..2 receivers...running back and safety. Although I have a feeling we may just say each game we are starting 8 Nationals...with Thomas or Forde the "token" starter on defense, but not needed so we can technically sub freely on defense with an import anywhere needed just leaving the safety in and still meeting the required 7 starters...would allow us some flexability and different use of our DI's on defense

That sounds very plausible.