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Title: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on December 14, 2018, 03:22:37 PM
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JUST IN: #alouettes sign team's leading receiver Eugene Lewis to one-year deal. Lewis finished 2018 with 827 yards. http://bit.ly/2ULa01K


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on December 14, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
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JUST IN: #alouettes sign team's leading receiver Eugene Lewis to one-year deal. Lewis finished 2018 with 827 yards. http://bit.ly/2ULa01K

Wow, I clearly don't watch any Als games.

No idea who that is.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: drahgon on December 14, 2018, 03:53:32 PM
Pretty sad that their leading receiver was well under 1000 yds for the season as well.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 14, 2018, 03:55:24 PM
Team's leading receiver 827 yards.  Ottawa had 3 over 1000...  yikes.  I guess not having any QB's to throw to you....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 14, 2018, 05:18:26 PM
Team's leading receiver 827 yards.  Ottawa had 3 over 1000...  yikes.  I guess not having any QB's to throw to you....
The Als will have to ride out the Johnny Football experiment for at least next season.   Not exactly sure how that will work out at this point and schools still out on Johnny until he proves otherwise.   


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on December 14, 2018, 05:21:02 PM
The Als will have to ride out the Johnny Football experiment for at least next season.   Not exactly sure how that will work out at this point and schools still out on Johnny until he proves otherwise.  

I think Pipkin will win out eventually. But they have talent there with Manziel and Adams. They just need to pick one and let the poor guy develop.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 14, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Pipkin makes peanuts, Manzeil is paid almost like a starter.  Which one do you trot out?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 14, 2018, 07:46:21 PM
Pipkin makes peanuts, Manzeil is paid almost like a starter.  Which one do you trot out?


The one that gives you the best chance to win?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 14, 2018, 08:33:52 PM
The one that gives you the best chance to win?
Depends. Teams like Calgary or Sask or Ottawa I'd say yeah they would. Other teams focus more on salary.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bluebeard on December 14, 2018, 11:23:27 PM
Maybe also make that Edmonton as Reilly is trying out for Jacksonville.  Malanovich is presently the OC there.

Should have added that I got that from Hugoagogo.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on December 15, 2018, 02:07:36 AM
Maybe also make that Edmonton as Reilly is trying out for Jacksonville.  Malanovich is presently the OC there.

Should have added that I got that from Hugoagogo.

Can you imagine a world where Mitchell and Reilly leave next year?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on December 15, 2018, 02:37:23 AM
Can you imagine a world where Mitchell and Reilly leave next year?

In that scenario, Nichols goes into training camp as one of the two best QBs in the CFL. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Pigskin on December 15, 2018, 02:49:14 AM
Debatable.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 15, 2018, 02:55:53 AM
In that scenario, Nichols goes into training camp as one of the two best QBs in the CFL. 
Haha.

Not with how he played this year. Like it or not with how he played and finished the season, I'd argue Masoli and Harris jumped over him.

If the team is confident in streveler and he improves, Nichols trade value has and never will be higher


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on December 15, 2018, 04:23:56 AM
I thought Manzeil was a pretty good prospect.  But he needs a coordinator with some imagination . Sorry Khari.  But this guy should be on the run. Way more.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on December 15, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
Debatable.

Not in my mind.  I think one can make a case for Harris, but i?ll take Nichols over Masoli every day of the week.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on December 15, 2018, 02:01:45 PM
Not in my mind.  I think one can make a case for Harris, but i?ll take Nichols over Masoli every day of the week.

Masoli?s stats were super inflated from playing in the east.

His stats against winning teams and losing teams are night and day.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 15, 2018, 02:08:09 PM
A lot of games I watched Manziel ., in one game where he hit his receivers 5 or 6 times and they dropped a lot of balls. Don't think you can blame the quarterback. But they do have at least one good receiver on that team. When they had Cavillo they had 4 or 5 veteran receivers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 15, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
Masoli dismantled us in one game. He destroyed B.C at home and should have easily won in bc but Hamilton let them  off. don't think they beat easy teams. I think they beat Edmonton and Calgary at least once.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Pigskin on December 15, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
Masoli, Harris Nichols, unless Ray comes back. And then I would drop Nichols to 4.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Duckman118 on December 15, 2018, 05:18:58 PM
Masoli has had 1 good year starting so far. Just like Nichols did last season. It'll be interesting how he progresses next year.

In my mind, he is a flash in the pan who can beat up on bad teams but can't get it done against the good ones. His 4 losses against Ottawa prove that. And honestly, how could anyone seriously put masoli above Harris at this point ??


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 15, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
Not in my mind.  I think one can make a case for Harris, but i?ll take Nichols over Masoli every day of the week.
Are you serious?? I?d take masoli over #15 every day of the week and twice on game day!! Hamilton actually has a passing game!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on December 15, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
Are you serious?? I?d take masoli over #15 every day of the week and twice on game day!! Hamilton actually has a passing game!!

Masoli is exciting to watch and he can get hot as a pistol.  He also has a tendency to force the play on occasion which results in key interceptions.  He also puts the ball on the ground more often.

Nicholls protects the football extremely well, and he executes a game plan with discipline.  His willingness to stick to the script allowed the bombers to have the most balanced and prolific offensive attack in the league.  Not flashy, but effective.

For me, it?s no contest, but I can see why others might like Masoli.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 15, 2018, 09:03:25 PM
Masoli is exciting to watch and he can get hot as a pistol.  He also has a tendency to force the play on occasion which results in key interceptions.  He also puts the ball on the ground more often.

Nicholls protects the football extremely well, and he executes a game plan with discipline.  His willingness to stick to the script allowed the bombers to have the most balanced and prolific offensive attack in the league.  Not flashy, but effective.

For me, it?s no contest, but I can see why others might like Masoli.

Nichols protects the ball really well when he protects the ball, and when he doesn't, we have 4 game losing streaks.   Yes, he can manage a game well, and he is a trooper and a leader, but he is as hot and cold as any QB in the league.

Hopefully last year taught him how to eat the ball properly.  I'm his biggest fan when hes running hot, hopefully I'll be a fan all year, and won't get a chance to boo him and Lapo/MOS for leaving him in games...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 15, 2018, 09:14:02 PM
Nichols is bipolar with the ball. Most of the time he OVER protects the ball and dink?s and dunks his way to 2 and outs or he s crazy with the football and throws under handed pick sixes to D linemen that cost us the game.

Give me masoli and his escspability any day of the week and like I said before twice on game day.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 15, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
I?ll take Masoli over Nichols.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Knocker42 on December 15, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
Here's an article about Eric Barriere, a QB on Bombers' neg list.  He's playing in a bowl game today.
Sounds like he has the physical tools but will have a bit to learn.  Sort of like Streveler.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/31/eric-barriere-era-officially-begins-for-eastern-wa/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on December 16, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
Where does Nichols rank  in thenCFL? According to fans ..
Reilly
No Levi Mitchel
Harris
Lulay
Nichols
Hamiltons guy.  Same as Harris..  Except he is more of a runner..  And he should run more.msame with Manzeil
Collaros
Torontos crew
Manzeil

Middle,group. Kinda interchangeable.
Don't like Harris, plays well against lousy teams, nothing vs good defences
Lulay is hot and cold
Collaros. Brain is mush should retire. Due to injury
Torontos crew has potential, but team was abandoned by ownership in terms of resigning stars.

The biggest key is who has the best Offensive line.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 16, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
You have far undervalued masoli. He lost his entire receiving corps this year and was still competitive. They absolutely lambasted the Lions in the playoffs without Banks. I got Masoli behind BLM and MR.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Duckman118 on December 16, 2018, 08:03:52 PM
You have far undervalued masoli. He lost his entire receiving corps this year and was still competitive. They absolutely lambasted the Lions in the playoffs without Banks. I got Masoli behind BLM and MR.
Then masoli got lambasted by Harris and the reeblacks.

Who did masoli beat that was actually good?? Nichols and the bombers? No. Harris and the reeblacks? No. BLM? No. Not even Sask. He couldn't beat a single playoff team other than BC and they were awful.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 16, 2018, 11:28:21 PM
 when he had his starting recievers in, he was lighting it up. Then he lost Tolliver, Banks, Saunders, and Williams, all he had left was Tasker to throw to and everyone in the league knew that.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Duckman118 on December 17, 2018, 12:29:41 AM
when he had his starting recievers in, he was lighting it up. Then he lost Tolliver, Banks, Saunders, and Williams, all he had left was Tasker to throw to and everyone in the league knew that.
And yet BLM was able to win the grey Cup with a make shift set of receivers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 17, 2018, 12:36:52 AM
BLM still had most of his receivers. There was at least Rogers, Daniels and Durant. You only need 3. Masoli had .Jones and Tolliver?.  Not taking anything away from Jones he played good, but when youre missing Saunders and Banks.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on December 17, 2018, 02:47:58 AM
Good points.  But, even more reason not to rate Massolli higher.   He should have taken the game over, running when needed to get first downs.

He saddened me, by not taking the games over.  He is the perfect prototype for a CFL QB. Big, fast, strong, decent arm, knows the game, and isn't full of himself. 

But, He.didn't seize the moment and. Kind of wasnt competitive.  Or if that was the game plan, to be a pocket passer???!even worse, his record proved it.  Ti cats really did not compete.  ...Ottawa???, man that's got to suck.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 17, 2018, 03:11:44 AM
And yet BLM was able to win the grey Cup with a make shift set of receivers.
What are you taking about??!? He had Rogers, Durant, Daniels and chris Matthews , all of whom are better than anything we have in our lineup. Rogers single handedly won the Grey Cup for the stamps with his dominating peformance. Hardly a make shift set of receivers. The Bombers would win the grey cup if we had these ?make shift recievers?!!! Absolutely laughable comment


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on December 17, 2018, 04:29:11 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national receiver Patrick Lavoie to a two-year contract extension, keeping him with the club through 2020.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on December 17, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have signed Canadian linebacker Jesse Briggs to a two-year contract. Briggs was selected 17th overall by Winnipeg in the 2014 CFL draft and has spent the past five seasons with the Bombers. The native of Kelowna, B.C., has appeared in 87 games, tallying 56 special teams tackles and 18 defensive tackles.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Duckman118 on December 17, 2018, 05:02:51 PM
What are you taking about??!? He had Rogers, Durant, Daniels and chris Matthews , all of whom are better than anything we have in our lineup. Rogers single handedly won the Grey Cup for the stamps with his dominating peformance. Hardly a make shift set of receivers. The Bombers would win the grey cup if we had these ?make shift recievers?!!! Absolutely laughable comment
What's laughable is suggesting masoli is any better than Harris or Nichols. The guy couldn't beat anyone even with banks and Saunders in the lineup. He led his team to a sub .500 record  while playing on the awful east.

Apparently racking up yards against garbage teams makes you a good QB


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2018, 05:43:50 PM
What's laughable is suggesting masoli is any better than Harris or Nichols. The guy couldn't beat anyone even with banks and Saunders in the lineup. He led his team to a sub .500 record  while playing on the awful east.

Apparently racking up yards against garbage teams makes you a good QB

Well, there were the powers that be in the Hammer that thought he was better than Manzeil...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 17, 2018, 06:15:32 PM
Well, there were the powers that be in the Hammer that thought he was better than Manzeil...
He played well against us....let's not forget that he hasn't been a starter for long....he has a long learning curve ahead of him!  Manziel is still a big question mark and when they traded him away they acquired two blue chip players.   June Jones now as their OC will make Masoli a better QB.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 17, 2018, 06:33:23 PM
What's laughable is suggesting masoli is any better than Harris or Nichols. The guy couldn't beat anyone even with banks and Saunders in the lineup. He led his team to a sub .500 record  while playing on the awful east.

Apparently racking up yards against garbage teams makes you a good QB
Apparently, you missed Calgary had a very decent receiving corps to win the grey cup


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on December 18, 2018, 09:26:45 AM
And that's another thing.....Bombers couldn't field a legit fifth receiver.  Thompkins was the best? Of a bad lot.
Lapo, find anither use for the invisible fifth receiver.  Make him a blocking back, a tight end, or put some imp score CDN there, and use another import somewhere else.

That position was rarely targeted for whatever reason.  That gentleman, ladies, was mis-management.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on December 18, 2018, 02:33:50 PM
Drew Tate to be named Lions QB coach

Posted on December 18, 2018 by Justin Dunk // 0 Comments

The B.C. Lion ares to set to name Drew Tate as quarterbacks coach.

Tate recently retired from the CFL after the Saskatchewan Roughriders convinced him to come out of retirement in November. He had been working this season as a defensive analyst at Coastal Carolina University.

Tate's stepfather Dick Olin is a legendary Texas high school football coach and the Iowa University product has said he wanted to coach once his playing career came to a close.

For seven seasons, Tate and new Lions head coach DeVone Claybrooks were members of the Calgary Stampeders organization together.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on December 18, 2018, 02:40:45 PM
CFL Headlines
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Riders sign DT Zack Evans to four-year extension https://goo.gl/fb/kxL4x5  - @3DownNation #CFL


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on December 18, 2018, 02:52:20 PM
CFL Headlines
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7m7 minutes ago

Riders sign DT Zack Evans to four-year extension https://goo.gl/fb/kxL4x5  - @3DownNation #CFL


I don't think I've ever seen a four year contract.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on December 18, 2018, 03:23:21 PM
Wow a 4yr.....I would love to see more deals like this. IMO this is one of the biggest issues with the CFL, player turnover.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on December 18, 2018, 03:24:00 PM
and was grossly overpayed for what he produced...hopefully they over payed again to hamstring depth wise..for a 3rd consecutive year


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 18, 2018, 04:18:44 PM
4 year deal is promising but Evan's really didn't show that much to warrant the long of a deal. Maybe it's less salary more years, where essentially Evan's is betting on himself


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 18, 2018, 04:26:03 PM
4 year deal is promising but Evan's really didn't show that much to warrant the long of a deal. Maybe it's less salary more years, where essentially Evan's is betting on himself

It's also a ratio move, tie up Evans long-term and Jones has one less spot to worry about.  It'll be interesting to see if Poop can earn one of the other DT spots, they'll probably keep two Imports.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on December 18, 2018, 04:34:54 PM
4 year deal is promising but Evan's really didn't show that much to warrant the long of a deal. Maybe it's less salary more years, where essentially Evan's is betting on himself

The Riders would have to pay him more salary to tie him up for more years. Unless Evans and his agents are complete idiots, they realize the club can bail on the contract at any time.  Therefore, in order to tie himself up for 4 years, Evans wants good money.

I think Evans wants to stay a Rider until he retires, so if he locks in at a good number now, he is helping the franchise nail down its ratio and send a positive message to the fans.  He may have settled for less than he could have got on the open market, but he definitely got a raise over last year's pay. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: lenny on December 18, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
Masoli dismantled us in one game. He destroyed B.C at home and should have easily won in bc but Hamilton let them  off. don't think they beat easy teams. I think they beat Edmonton and Calgary at least once.

Beat Edmonton twice. I'd take Masoli anytime over Nichols.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 18, 2018, 04:45:19 PM
The Riders would have to pay him more salary to tie him up for more years. Unless Evans and his agents are complete idiots, they realize the club can bail on the contract at any time.  Therefore, in order to tie himself up for 4 years, Evans wants good money.

I think Evans wants to stay a Rider until he retires, so if he locks in at a good number now, he is helping the franchise nail down its ratio and send a positive message to the fans.  He may have settled for less than he could have got on the open market, but he definitely got a raise over last year's pay. 

Regina boy, he's probably happy playing football in his hometown and doesn't care if sidewalks are paved or not.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on December 18, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
Wow a 4yr.....I would love to see more deals like this. IMO this is one of the biggest issues with the CFL, player turnover.

You won't see many 4 year deals. Evans, obviously, is not the sharpest tool in the shed or is legitimately worried that his play will decline for some reason.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bluebeard on December 18, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
The Riders would have to pay him more salary to tie him up for more years. Unless Evans and his agents are complete idiots, they realize the club can bail on the contract at any time.  Therefore, in order to tie himself up for 4 years, Evans wants good money.

I think Evans wants to stay a Rider until he retires, so if he locks in at a good number now, he is helping the franchise nail down its ratio and send a positive message to the fans.  He may have settled for less than he could have got on the open market, but he definitely got a raise over last year's pay. 
Don't know if he got a raise on his contract but he did get a large signing bonus against this years SMS.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 18, 2018, 10:53:25 PM
It's good to see a hometown guy get a long term deal, but really, Zack Evans is an average DT, his passport gets him on the field. I doubt he plays beyond his 4 year deal so its a great deal for him.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 19, 2018, 02:49:11 PM
Don't know if he got a raise on his contract but he did get a large signing bonus against this years SMS.

How is that even possible... Jones can't possibly have any SMS left...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on December 19, 2018, 06:34:02 PM
How would you know if he got a large or any signing bonus???



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 19, 2018, 10:08:48 PM
How would you know if he got a large or any signing bonus???


This. Again I don't think he got a raise. Maybe more upfront money with remaining SMS but I have a hard time believing Jones would commit 4 years at a ton of money. I'm sure Evan's sees this as his last contract. This just pushes it out so he plays as long as he wants or gets a decent payout in lieu of retiring a FA


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on December 20, 2018, 05:41:54 AM
Riders sign Purifoy to one-year extension

The Saskatchewan Roughriders announced Wednesday they have signed defensive back Loucheiz Purifoy to a one-year contract extension.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
Riders sign Purifoy to one-year extension

The Saskatchewan Roughriders announced Wednesday they have signed defensive back Loucheiz Purifoy to a one-year contract extension.


Great signing


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on December 20, 2018, 07:43:55 PM
How would you know if he got a large or any signing bonus???



Assuming that Evans and his agent aren't complete morons, history suggests that the longer the term the higher the signing bonus.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue newt on December 20, 2018, 07:56:39 PM
Weren't signing bonuses nixed by the CFL for this off season?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on December 20, 2018, 08:46:46 PM
Weren't signing bonuses nixed by the CFL for this off season?

Yeah.  There is one school of thought that the teams still have until December 31st to pay out signing bonuses under the 2018 SMC cap, and that the bonus moratorium doesn't start until January 1. 

I'm not entirely certain that's the case, but I am not sure it isn't either.  But either way, a team could agree to a signing bonus and just defer payment until the CBA is ratified.  Or substitute a substantial bonus for reporting to training camp in lieu of a signing bonus. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 21, 2018, 02:27:41 PM
Weren't signing bonuses nixed by the CFL for this off season?

I believe it was a "strong suggestion" from CFL head office, but there is no rule against it...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on December 21, 2018, 03:39:17 PM
I believe it was a "strong suggestion" from CFL head office, but there is no rule against it...

I'm pretty sure the league has to accept a contract before it is official and bonuses are paid.

No one is getting a pre-CBA bonus, though I am unsure about the start time of that. Has the prohibition started or do teams have until the 31st?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 21, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
I'm pretty sure the league has to accept a contract before it is official and bonuses are paid.

No one is getting a pre-CBA bonus, though I am unsure about the start time of that. Has the prohibition started or do teams have until the 31st?

Yes, the league has to accept a contract, but I don't think they can reject it based on up front money that has been an acceptable practice the entire current CBA.  If one team crosses the line, then they all can...   pretty sure some have, especially in a 4 year deal for Zach Evans...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on December 21, 2018, 05:34:52 PM
I believe it was a "strong suggestion" from CFL head office, but there is no rule against it...

Wrong.  It is a league directive from the Commissioner, not a suggestion.

The only thing in question is the date at which it becomes operative.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 21, 2018, 07:12:50 PM
http://www.3downnation.com/2018/11/01/ambrosie-confirms-players-wont-be-getting-off-season-bonuses/

Many CFL players receive up-front money, in the form of either a signing or roster bonus, as part of their contracts. They can still sign deals this off-season but won?t receive any negotiated bonuses until after a new CBA is ratified.

So, they can negotiate a bonus, they just won't get the cheque until after the CBA is signed.  Or at least they officially won't get the cheque, not sure how the league can prevent a team from giving a player money at any time...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bluebeard on December 28, 2018, 02:39:50 AM
I don't know if this fits inhere but Paul Jones rumored going to the Riders as AGM  from Edmonton.  Dump Murphy and pick up Jones.  Good pick up if true. :o


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 28, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Eh. Too bad GM/HC/DC Jones gets the final say on pretty much everything.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on December 28, 2018, 02:00:13 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders are expected to name long-time Edmonton Eskimos player personnel man Paul Jones as their assistant general manager, per sources.

The Riders parted ways with former assistant general manager John Murphy after he refused to take a pay cut in early December.

Jones spent two decades with the Eskimos with a specialization in finding American talent. He had a part in building three Grey Cup championship teams while working for Edmonton.

http://3downnation.com/2018/12/27/riders-expected-to-name-former-eskimos-player-personnel-man-paul-jones-as-assistant-gm/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 28, 2018, 02:36:11 PM
So Sask goes from Murphy to Jones meanwhile we're content with Goivea and co


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue72 on December 29, 2018, 12:49:11 AM
We have 2 Assist GM's/Directors that haven't done much for this team and when Jones or Murphy become available our team sits on the hands and waits until all the good guys are gone again and this includes coaches and players also. Until they start making moves to improve we will be a 1 playoff team.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 29, 2018, 05:24:13 AM
Why would we not jump at the chance to pickup John Murphy?!?!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on December 29, 2018, 05:45:22 AM
Murphy is expensive and over rated. Jones has done a great job with Edmonton but i still get flashbacks of his incompetence in the latter years he spent here.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 29, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
They need to hire a good manager in player personnel in the states. Paul Jones and JIM Popp have ties with NFL.  We have had some good players but cut them in pre season. So that's where Oshea has to make a decision on keeping players who come in here and show they can play instead of cutting them and staying with older CFL players like Bowman for 8 games. And keeping players sitting on the practice roster not playing them til week 10.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 29, 2018, 02:52:43 PM
Murphy is expensive and over rated. Jones has done a great job with Edmonton but i still get flashbacks of his incompetence in the latter years he spent here.
Still much better than McManus and Goveia.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 30, 2018, 05:09:37 PM
They need to hire a good manager in player personnel in the states. Paul Jones and JIM Popp have ties with NFL.  We have had some good players but cut them in pre season. So that's where Oshea has to make a decision on keeping players who come in here and show they can play instead of cutting them and staying with older CFL players like Bowman for 8 games. And keeping players sitting on the practice roster not playing them til week 10.

We've done OK in the NFL "castoffs" department, but more importantly, we've done a good job at building without having to pay high priced "known" talent. 

Murphy, Jones... both good guys, but we have a solid team in McManus and Goviea, and they've got a very good feel for what Walters and O'Shea are looking for.  And, no doubt, they fit under the cap. 

Changing what is working to get an expensive unknown injected into the mix, well.. not sure that's the best idea.   


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 30, 2018, 05:56:47 PM
Still much better than McManus and Goveia.
Agreed!! This is not the position to cheap out on. Our current regime has not brought in a #1 receiver and aside from Santos Knox and Jeffcoat, they haven't brought in a ton of 'impact' talent....Walters has relied on signing free agents to stock the talent shelves. We need a game changing #1 receiver, we've needed it for 5 seasons now, and I don't care who brings him in, I just don't see it happening with the current scouts we have.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 30, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
We've done OK in the NFL "castoffs" department, but more importantly, we've done a good job at building without having to pay high priced "known" talent. 

Murphy, Jones... both good guys, but we have a solid team in McManus and Goviea, and they've got a very good feel for what Walters and O'Shea are looking for.  And, no doubt, they fit under the cap. 

Changing what is working to get an expensive unknown injected into the mix, well.. not sure that's the best idea.   
No, we haven't done "okay" with NFL castoffs. 4 years we have found 0 receivers, 1 QB (that our offensive coordinator asked to be put on the neg list), one linebacker and a couple DBs. In 4 years. Literally every All-Star we have had the past 4 years were either FA signing or the draft.

We have paid high priced "known" talent. Medlock, Bryant, Nevis, Randle, Okpalaugo, Harris, Adam's, Dressler, Demski, Bowman (when he was here), Durant (when he was here) and Fenner.

Sure we have a solid team. We just still haven't found an impact American receiver, we never could find a capable MLB till Biggie, we had to play Dan LeFevour just 2 seasons ago because we couldn't find a backup.

Our Canadian scouting is pretty solid. But our American scouting? Not on par with what Edmonton or Sask have done


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 30, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
Agreed!! This is not the position to cheap out on. Our current regime has not brought in a #1 receiver and aside from Santos Knox and Jeffcoat, they haven't brought in a ton of 'impact' talent....Walters has relied on signing free agents to stock the talent shelves. We need a game changing #1 receiver, we've needed it for 5 seasons now, and I don't care who brings him in, I just don't see it happening with the current scouts we have.

37       Alexander, Brandon    DB    I    6'0    192    25    UCF
18       Bennett, Bryan    QB    I    6'3    215    26    Southeastern Louisiana
96       Bryant, Brandin    DL    I    6'3    304    25    Florida Atlantic University
3       Fogg, Kevin    DB    I    5'10    196    28    Liberty
57       Foketi, Manase    OL    I    6'5    325    28    West Texas A&M
94       Jeffcoat, Jackson    DE    I    6'3    251    27    Texas
45       Santos-Knox, Jovan    LB    I    6'2    233    24    UMass
36       Sayles, Marcus    DB    I    5'9    181    24    University of West Georgia
17       Streveler, Chris    QB    I    6'1    211    23    University of South Dakota
2       Thompkins, Kenbrell    WR    I    6'1    198    30    Cincinnati
38       Wild, Ian    LB    I    6'0    213    28    Mercyhurst
19       Wilson, Kyrie    LB    I    6'1    215    26    Fresno State
82       Wolitarsky, Drew  WR    N    6'2    223    23    Minnesota

Yeah, the only players they've found are Jeffcoat and JSK... the rest of these guys are bums...

This team has had three great seasons in a row, and largely on the backs of recruits.  We've picked up the occasional high profile FA, like Biggie, Bryant or Medlock, but most of our core players are recruits and value FA's that fit what we do.  

Keeping the core we have going forward makes a heck of a lot more sense than blowing it up.  We have our QB, we have our next QB, we have an outstanding NAT Rec corps, which is going to be very effective in spreading the ball around as these guys grow, we have one of the best D's in the league.  

Plus, with the new front office cap, bringing in a big $ front office guy means cutting support staff.  Scouting isn't a one man job, its a team effort.  And our team right now is effective and affordable.

But lets blow up the core of our scouting staff that took us from the Mack fiasco to today.  


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 30, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
No, we haven't done "okay" with NFL castoffs. 4 years we have found 0 receivers, 1 QB (that our offensive coordinator asked to be put on the neg list), one linebacker and a couple DBs. In 4 years. Literally every All-Star we have had the past 4 years were either FA signing or the draft.

We have paid high priced "known" talent. Medlock, Bryant, Nevis, Randle, Okpalaugo, Harris, Adam's, Dressler, Demski, Bowman (when he was here), Durant (when he was here) and Fenner.

Sure we have a solid team. We just still haven't found an impact American receiver, we never could find a capable MLB till Biggie, we had to play Dan LeFevour just 2 seasons ago because we couldn't find a backup.

Our Canadian scouting is pretty solid. But our American scouting? Not on par with what Edmonton or Sask have done

Bond, Leggett, Johnny Adams all were recruits, no? 

JSK not a legit MLB? 

Not only LeFeavor, we also had to roster Glenn... but that was the past.  We now have Nichols/Streveler/Bennett. 

Have you seen what CGY/EDM might end up starting the season with at QB?  Or what SSK has had the last few years?  It's OK to have receivers, but it you have no one to throw to them...

CGY QBs:

9       Arbuckle, Nick    QB    I    6'1    214    25    Georgia State
12       Cozart, Montell    QB    I    6'1    205    23    Boise State
19       Mitchell, Bo Levi    QB    I    6'2    198    28    Eastern Washington

SSK QB's

16       Bridge, Brandon    QB    N    6'5    235    26    South Alabama
17       Collaros, Zach    QB    I    6'0    219    30    Cincinnati
9       Watford, David    QB    I    6'2    212    25    Hampton

EDM QB's

       Briscoe, Jeremiah    QB    I    6'3    225    25    Sam Houston State
5       Glenn, Kevin    QB    I    5'10    203    39    Illinois State
9       O'Brien, Danny    QB    I    6'3    220    28    Catawba
13       Reilly, Mike    QB    I    6'3    230    33    Central Washington


If either Reilly or Mitchell get an NFL sniff, that's a pretty sorry set of QB's that Hufnagel, Jones and Murphy have left their teams with...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 30, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
No, we haven't done "okay" with NFL castoffs. 4 years we have found 0 receivers, 1 QB (that our offensive coordinator asked to be put on the neg list), one linebacker and a couple DBs. In 4 years. Literally every All-Star we have had the past 4 years were either FA signing or the draft.

We have paid high priced "known" talent. Medlock, Bryant, Nevis, Randle, Okpalaugo, Harris, Adam's, Dressler, Demski, Bowman (when he was here), Durant (when he was here) and Fenner.

Sure we have a solid team. We just still haven't found an impact American receiver, we never could find a capable MLB till Biggie, we had to play Dan LeFevour just 2 seasons ago because we couldn't find a backup.

Our Canadian scouting is pretty solid. But our American scouting? Not on par with what Edmonton or Sask have done

Not sure how you figure these players all being "High priced".  Sure I'll give you Medlock, Bryant, Harris, and maybe Demski.  But the rest are mid priced players who did not get top dollar signing here.  We didn't outbid anyone for them, we didn't buy them away from anyone.  Nevis, Randle, Okpalaugo, Adams, Dressler, Bowman (when he was here), Durant (when he was here) and Fenner all were mid priced players, brought in to do a job.  You forgot guys like Augustine, Gaiter, Hardrick, Hecht, LaFrance, Roh... they are all in the same category as Nevis and Randle...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 30, 2018, 07:55:02 PM
Bond, Leggett, Johnny Adams all were recruits, no? 

JSK not a legit MLB? 

Not only LeFeavor, we also had to roster Glenn... but that was the past.  We now have Nichols/Streveler/Bennett. 

Have you seen what CGY/EDM might end up starting the season with at QB?  Or what SSK has had the last few years?  It's OK to have receivers, but it you have no one to throw to them...

CGY QBs:

9       Arbuckle, Nick    QB    I    6'1    214    25    Georgia State
12       Cozart, Montell    QB    I    6'1    205    23    Boise State
19       Mitchell, Bo Levi    QB    I    6'2    198    28    Eastern Washington

SSK QB's

16       Bridge, Brandon    QB    N    6'5    235    26    South Alabama
17       Collaros, Zach    QB    I    6'0    219    30    Cincinnati
9       Watford, David    QB    I    6'2    212    25    Hampton

EDM QB's

       Briscoe, Jeremiah    QB    I    6'3    225    25    Sam Houston State
5       Glenn, Kevin    QB    I    5'10    203    39    Illinois State
9       O'Brien, Danny    QB    I    6'3    220    28    Catawba
13       Reilly, Mike    QB    I    6'3    230    33    Central Washington


If either Reilly or Mitchell get an NFL sniff, that's a pretty sorry set of QB's that Hufnagel, Jones and Murphy have left their teams with...
I'm looking at our current day roster. Adam's played 1.5 years here.

JSK might be a legit MLB. Issue is, he has never played MLB here. That's like saying Sukh Chungh could be a legit tackle cuz hes a good guard.

We rostered Glenn the year before. LeFevor and Glenn were never on the same team here. Also, using a backup Qb we traded for to prove a point about how good our scouts are is...well...weak.

Okay, sure. Valid point. Arbuckle could be good tho. I don't understand your point. Mine was that before Streveler we couldn't scout QBs if our lives depended on it. Also, you do realize hypothetically if both Reilly and BLM left, the QBs you listed wouldn't be the only ones on roster...right?

Right now we have the best QB depth in the league. But the 4 years prior? I'd say at best 3rd worst


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on December 30, 2018, 07:59:40 PM
Not sure how you figure these players all being "High priced".  Sure I'll give you Medlock, Bryant, Harris, and maybe Demski.  But the rest are mid priced players who did not get top dollar signing here.  We didn't outbid anyone for them, we didn't buy them away from anyone.  Nevis, Randle, Okpalaugo, Adams, Dressler, Bowman (when he was here), Durant (when he was here) and Fenner all were mid priced players, brought in to do a job.  You forgot guys like Augustine, Gaiter, Hardrick, Hecht, LaFrance, Roh... they are all in the same category as Nevis and Randle...

Okpalaugo was definitely paid a lot. Demski too. How do you know how much we paid or bid? Or the othe teams interest? You don't.

Augustine is like Randle and Nevis? What? I forgot guys like Roh and Hardrick cuz I was listing guys who are/were high paid.

Nevis took less money this year because he didn't play to his first contract here's price tag. Also, Hecht is not the same as Randle. One was a re-signing and a defensive starter. The other came aboard cuz our backup safety got hurt.

But no, I only mentioned guys who most likely either are getting or got paid a lot the past 2 years here


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 31, 2018, 12:28:25 AM
37       Alexander, Brandon    DB    I    6'0    192    25    UCF
18       Bennett, Bryan    QB    I    6'3    215    26    Southeastern Louisiana
96       Bryant, Brandin    DL    I    6'3    304    25    Florida Atlantic University
3       Fogg, Kevin    DB    I    5'10    196    28    Liberty
57       Foketi, Manase    OL    I    6'5    325    28    West Texas A&M
94       Jeffcoat, Jackson    DE    I    6'3    251    27    Texas
45       Santos-Knox, Jovan    LB    I    6'2    233    24    UMass
36       Sayles, Marcus    DB    I    5'9    181    24    University of West Georgia
17       Streveler, Chris    QB    I    6'1    211    23    University of South Dakota
2       Thompkins, Kenbrell    WR    I    6'1    198    30    Cincinnati
38       Wild, Ian    LB    I    6'0    213    28    Mercyhurst
19       Wilson, Kyrie    LB    I    6'1    215    26    Fresno State
82       Wolitarsky, Drew  WR    N    6'2    223    23    Minnesota

Yeah, the only players they've found are Jeffcoat and JSK... the rest of these guys are bums...

This team has had three great seasons in a row, and largely on the backs of recruits.  We've picked up the occasional high profile FA, like Biggie, Bryant or Medlock, but most of our core players are recruits and value FA's that fit what we do.  

Keeping the core we have going forward makes a heck of a lot more sense than blowing it up.  We have our QB, we have our next QB, we have an outstanding NAT Rec corps, which is going to be very effective in spreading the ball around as these guys grow, we have one of the best D's in the league.  

Plus, with the new front office cap, bringing in a big $ front office guy means cutting support staff.  Scouting isn't a one man job, its a team effort.  And our team right now is effective and affordable.

But lets blow up the core of our scouting staff that took us from the Mack fiasco to today.  

Please remove Ian Wild from your list, he's been here since 2013 so he's a Joe Mack find.  You're welcome to replace him with Mo Leggett who this regime found in their first year, 2014.


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Title: Re: CFL Signings
Post by: dd on December 31, 2018, 06:04:19 AM
37       Alexander, Brandon    DB    I    6'0    192    25    UCF
18       Bennett, Bryan    QB    I    6'3    215    26    Southeastern Louisiana
96       Bryant, Brandin    DL    I    6'3    304    25    Florida Atlantic University
3       Fogg, Kevin    DB    I    5'10    196    28    Liberty
57       Foketi, Manase    OL    I    6'5    325    28    West Texas A&M
94       Jeffcoat, Jackson    DE    I    6'3    251    27    Texas
45       Santos-Knox, Jovan    LB    I    6'2    233    24    UMass
36       Sayles, Marcus    DB    I    5'9    181    24    University of West Georgia
17       Streveler, Chris    QB    I    6'1    211    23    University of South Dakota
2       Thompkins, Kenbrell    WR    I    6'1    198    30    Cincinnati
38       Wild, Ian    LB    I    6'0    213    28    Mercyhurst
19       Wilson, Kyrie    LB    I    6'1    215    26    Fresno State
82       Wolitarsky, Drew  WR    N    6'2    223    23    Minnesota

Yeah, the only players they've found are Jeffcoat and JSK... the rest of these guys are bums...

This team has had three great seasons in a row, and largely on the backs of recruits.  We've picked up the occasional high profile FA, like Biggie, Bryant or Medlock, but most of our core players are recruits and value FA's that fit what we do.  

Keeping the core we have going forward makes a heck of a lot more sense than blowing it up.  We have our QB, we have our next QB, we have an outstanding NAT Rec corps, which is going to be very effective in spreading the ball around as these guys grow, we have one of the best D's in the league.  

Plus, with the new front office cap, bringing in a big $ front office guy means cutting support staff.  Scouting isn't a one man job, its a team effort.  And our team right now is effective and affordable.

But lets blow up the core of our scouting staff that took us from the Mack fiasco to today.  
Ok...take off your blue sunglasses and put down your Pom poms.....we re talking about an import game changing WR, Woli and thompkins are basically check down receivers, they aren?t in the same league as derrel Walker or Rogers or even a Posey!!!

And from your list, Jeffcoat and JSK are the only ones who are ?impact? players, the others are decent, just not game changers. If we lost anyone of them, it would be hard to replace


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Doublezero on December 31, 2018, 03:56:36 PM
I?ll take Masoli over Nichols.
Me too. Statistically last year Masoli was demonstrably better than Nichols in pretty much every passing category across the board. Plus he's mobile. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=P&lg=CFL


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on December 31, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Ok...take off your blue sunglasses and put down your Pom poms.....we re talking about an import game changing WR, Woli and thompkins are basically check down receivers, they aren?t in the same league as derrel Walker or Rogers or even a Posey!!!

And from your list, Jeffcoat and JSK are the only ones who are ?impact? players, the others are decent, just not game changers. If we lost anyone of them, it would be hard to replace

So, if they had found 1 standout WR, you'd be happy with their performance? 

OK, not slagging Nichols, but he is no Reilly or Mitchell, especially when it comes to passing.  So, how can you rate our WR's against WR's that get the ball thrown to them by a much better passer?

Wolitarski is already a solid receiver, and a "Nat" to boot.  He's getting nothing but better the longer he is here.

Thompkins can be a gooder, we just haven't seen enough of him being utilized properly.  I liken him to Adams, didn't do much in Toronto, and burst onto the scene here in his 3rd year.  

Again, using our WR as a guide to our scouts abilities is kind of unfair, you have to look at the whole picture.  DL, LB, DB, RB, OL, QB... all pretty solid recruiting.  

This is a team that is going forward.  The pieces are in place.  We lost the division final to the GC champs.  This group took us from dead last in the league in 2013 to challenging for the cup.  Heck, we get a full year out of Nichols last year, we could have been first in the league.  

No, I'm happy with what we have right now, both from a talent perspective and from a front office cap perspective.  In a cap league, value is key.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on December 31, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
So, if they had found 1 standout WR, you'd be happy with their performance? 

OK, not slagging Nichols, but he is no Reilly or Mitchell, especially when it comes to passing.  So, how can you rate our WR's against WR's that get the ball thrown to them by a much better passer?

Wolitarski is already a solid receiver, and a "Nat" to boot.  He's getting nothing but better the longer he is here.

Thompkins can be a gooder, we just haven't seen enough of him being utilized properly.  I liken him to Adams, didn't do much in Toronto, and burst onto the scene here in his 3rd year.  

Again, using our WR as a guide to our scouts abilities is kind of unfair, you have to look at the whole picture.  DL, LB, DB, RB, OL, QB... all pretty solid recruiting.  

This is a team that is going forward.  The pieces are in place.  We lost the division final to the GC champs.  This group took us from dead last in the league in 2013 to challenging for the cup.  Heck, we get a full year out of Nichols last year, we could have been first in the league.  

No, I'm happy with what we have right now, both from a talent perspective and from a front office cap perspective.  In a cap league, value is key.

We have nearly 30 potential free agents including at least 12 starters. No way to tell what we will have of that group for awhile. If we get them back then we have a solid core of players.

To suggest our scouts have done well is an over statement IMO. We live and die mostly on what we manage in CFL free agents rather than pure scouting of rookies.

Thompkins might become a good receiver but sample size is still small. Definitely not up there is Zlystra or Mitchell type receivers.

Foketi seems to be a good OL but has only played a handful of games.

Wilson hasn't really shown anything even on ST's. I'll be surprised if he makes the 2019 roster.

Bennett has done well on ST's but hasn't shown anything as a QB in his small sample of playing time.

Alexander and Sayles turned out to be very good finds but Alexander is potential free agent.

JSK is a very good LB but also a potential free agent.

Free agency is going to be interesting to say the least.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 31, 2018, 05:52:46 PM
So, if they had found 1 standout WR, you'd be happy with their performance? 

OK, not slagging Nichols, but he is no Reilly or Mitchell, especially when it comes to passing.  So, how can you rate our WR's against WR's that get the ball thrown to them by a much better passer?

Wolitarski is already a solid receiver, and a "Nat" to boot.  He's getting nothing but better the longer he is here.

Thompkins can be a gooder, we just haven't seen enough of him being utilized properly.  I liken him to Adams, didn't do much in Toronto, and burst onto the scene here in his 3rd year.  

Again, using our WR as a guide to our scouts abilities is kind of unfair, you have to look at the whole picture.  DL, LB, DB, RB, OL, QB... all pretty solid recruiting.  

This is a team that is going forward.  The pieces are in place.  We lost the division final to the GC champs.  This group took us from dead last in the league in 2013 to challenging for the cup.  Heck, we get a full year out of Nichols last year, we could have been first in the league.  

No, I'm happy with what we have right now, both from a talent perspective and from a front office cap perspective.  In a cap league, value is key.
Our current group of receivers won?t get it done for us. We need a go to WR to make big plays when we need them just like our defense needs a MLB.

You can list all the players you want, but if we don?t get Bigghill back AND get a game breaking WR, this team will never advance and win a Grey Cup. I know not happy with being competitive, I want to win it all, so no, I m not happy with our current group. We need a WR like Rogers who single handedly won the Stamps the Grey cup this year. Without him, they don?t win. That?s us right now


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on December 31, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
It seems to me that we have this argument every year and every year we're told that the team is on the right path. Well I for one am tired of this path. This regime has has five years now and if we can't win a Grey Cup this upcoming season then IMO it's time to clean house. I've lost my patience. Ottawa won a Grey Cup after three years and IMO Saskatchewan was a QB away from winning a Grey Cup after three years with Chris Jones. I'm not saying that we don't have good players here, they're just not good enough.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on December 31, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
My sentiments exactly!! And we are not alone....

Thank you Blue Girl


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 31, 2018, 11:10:02 PM
Murphy is expensive and over rated.

Expensive? Sure, but only based on the Riders paying him too much.

Overrated? Absolutely not. His nose for INT is beyond impressive and his resume speaks for itself. And that's where this Bombers regime continues to struggle, particularly with DBs and receivers.

38       Wild, Ian    LB    I    6'0    213    28    Mercyhurst 

He was a Mack find.

Saskatchewan was a QB away from winning a Grey Cup after three years with Chris Jones.

Only the single most important position for a team. That's not a good way to make your case. I mean, the 2011 Bombers, a team that was carried by its defense (just like the 2018 Roughriders), were a QB away from being a contender, too. That isn't saying much.

Offensively, the Bombers are an elite INT receiver away. And arguably a QB if Nichols can't return to his 2017 form.

On defense, they need to re-sign Bighill.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 01, 2019, 12:24:47 AM
Agreed. We absolutely need to re-sign Bighill to maintain the level of play by our defense. If we don?t, we ll take a step backwards. And we absolutely need to sign an impact receiver like eric Rogers or derel walker to move forward. If we don?t fill both of these needs, I don?t see us moving forward in 2019


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 01, 2019, 04:22:24 PM
It seems to me that we have this argument every year and every year we're told that the team is on the right path. Well I for one am tired of this path. This regime has has five years now and if we can't win a Grey Cup this upcoming season then IMO it's time to clean house. I've lost my patience. Ottawa won a Grey Cup after three years and IMO Saskatchewan was a QB away from winning a Grey Cup after three years with Chris Jones. I'm not saying that we don't have good players here, they're just not good enough.

Give your head a hard shake, blowing things up will accomplish far less than is being achieved now and set the team back years.  Sask. is behind the Bombers in team development and the upcoming year will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, they have a huge QB problem to overcome and no solution within sight.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 01, 2019, 05:10:03 PM
Give your head a hard shake, blowing things up will accomplish far less than is being achieved now and set the team back years.  Sask. is behind the Bombers in team development and the upcoming year will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, they have a huge QB problem to overcome and no solution within sight.
We will see what happens this offseason. To be fair, Sasks rebuild has gone a lot quicker than ours. But really it depends on what happens this offseason.

I think the current regime needs to progress. 2 years ago our defence cost us. This year it was offence. If we can't find a balance, it will be 6 years of that inability


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 01, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
We are a couple of players away from a championship, we aren?t blowing anything up. We have a very healthy clubhouse, and free agents actually want to come here. Resign Bighill and get a game breaking WR and we re set!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 01, 2019, 05:57:30 PM
We are a couple of players away from a championship, we aren?t blowing anything up. We have a very healthy clubhouse, and free agents actually want to come here. Resign Bighill and get a game breaking WR and we re set!!
True that....we need to replace Fogg and our DBs need improving overall.   If we can somehow manage to utilize more of the talents of Chris Streveler AND sign a receiver who can win those jump balls AND retain Bighill....we have a shot.   Just being competitive is not the winning formula for Grey Cup parades.   Chris Streveler has the makings of a champion and all he needs is the opportunity to prove it!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 01, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
Yes, we do need to upgrade our DBs, but I d be signing Bighill and a top knotch WR first as they won?t come cheap. Bighill and #1 WR are must haves, upgrading our secondary is a nice to have. Bottom line, we don?t get biggie and a #1 WR, we ll be lucky to replicate this past seasons success


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 01, 2019, 07:57:27 PM
Yes, we do need to upgrade our DBs, but I d be signing Bighill and a top knotch WR first as they won?t come cheap. Bighill and #1 WR are must haves, upgrading our secondary is a nice to have. Bottom line, we don?t get biggie and a #1 WR, we ll be lucky to replicate this past seasons success
I agree. Our top two priorities this off season have to be re-signing Bighill and getting a #1 receiver. IMO without Bighill our defence takes a huge step backwards and we need a top receiver if we're never going to be a legitimate offence. As much as I like Adams he's not a #1 receiver.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 02, 2019, 06:31:26 AM
Adams isn?t as good as bryant mitchel??and we re looking for a derel walker!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 02, 2019, 06:32:00 AM
ll things being equal, each team should win once every 9 years, right?

Yeah, I get the drought, and that we deserve a win more than anyone else, but get over it.  It means NOTHING.  It means WBB fans are long suffering fans.  I get it.  It is also part of WBB history that we've won more than our share of GC's and had more than our share of siuccess overall.  SSK has 4 GC's, we have 10.  So, if you want to talk the history of this team pre Walters/Miller/OShea, lets not put a limit as the last time we won a GC, but include the 10 we did win.

Current regime went from 3-15 to 3 .500+ seasons in a row, in a west division that has been pretty tough.  We lost what was effectively the GC game this year (the two best teams).

Saying GC or blow it up is ridiculous.  This team is competing at the top of the league.  With players recruited/scouted and signed by this crew.  And there is no reason to think they won't continue to get better.

This is going to be one wicked FA season for sure, and if the CBA isn't finalized before FA season starts, it will get even more interesting.  Walters has shown he can sign the big names and has also shown he can pass on the overpriced guys.  Guys like Muamba and Westerman might have helped this team, but they would have made signing the rest of our roster impossible, including Bighill.  

I have full faith that Walters will bring back the majority of our current crew, and possibly pick off a few guys as well.  Guys like Randle, Fenner, Roh...  not guys that will break the bank, but ones that will add value and character.  And having coaches like OShea, Lapo and Hall to play for has been a benefit to this pursuit as well...  we are a destination for FA's now...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 02, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Give your head a hard shake, blowing things up will accomplish far less than is being achieved now and set the team back years.  Sask. is behind the Bombers in team development and the upcoming year will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, they have a huge QB problem to overcome and no solution within sight.

I agree. The Riders may have been 12-6 last year but their chances of winning a championship were almost nil. They have no offence. They never beat many teams last year. A lot of their wins were because the opposition played poorly that day imo.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 02, 2019, 01:59:22 PM
Put me on the in the Grey Cup or changes camp. MOS is .500 as a head coach. We've got 1 playoff win in 5 years and that was against a team without it's starting QB. We were 2nd in the West in '17, 3rd in '18, so no, we haven't gotten better each year and we're not trending upward. Harris, our biggest weapon is an over 30 RB.

Changing the HC doesn't equal blowing it all up. New coaches would keep most of the current players, especially the core guys. We'd likely change the ratio and bring some different players in, but those kinds of changes happen every year and the changes may be exactly what we need to go from a playoff team to a Cup winner.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 02, 2019, 02:28:00 PM
IIRC O'Shea is in the last year of his contract. Whether we extend him will have to be decided early in the season.


So how we come out of the gate may be the turning point on that decision. To be fair the team that is assembled is more on Walters and the scouts. If we get back the 2018 team with only some minor losses we could be well off to the races.

I'm optimistic we get back most of the those we want but it's also possible we're in a major re-tooling.

I've said it a few times but we have 12 STARTERS currently as possible free agents. That's scary at the moment so anxiously awaiting re-signings before free agency.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 02, 2019, 04:29:41 PM
I have full faith that Walters will bring back the majority of our current crew, and possibly pick off a few guys as well.  Guys like Randle, Fenner, Roh...  not guys that will break the bank, but ones that will add value and character.  And having coaches like OShea, Lapo and Hall to play for has been a benefit to this pursuit as well...  we are a destination for FA's now...
You do realize we are paying Fenner 130k+, right? And he just played STs mostly. I'm not complaining, he has value but he contradicts your point that Walter's makes smart, cheaper signings.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 02, 2019, 04:36:10 PM
We lost what was effectively the GC game this year (the two best teams)

What are you talking about? ???

I agree. The Riders may have been 12-6 last year but their chances of winning a championship were almost nil. They have no offence. They never beat many teams last year. A lot of their wins were because the opposition played poorly that day imo.

They had a great defense carry them in 2018. Reminded me a lot of the 2011 Blue Bombers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 02, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
What are you talking about? ???

They had a great defense carry them in 2018. Reminded me a lot of the 2011 Blue Bombers.

The 2011 Bombers had a much better offence than the 2018 Riders.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: In Motion on January 02, 2019, 05:11:45 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Bombers. They've even got me considering
going back to the stadium for a couple of games this season despite the Cup drought and stadium
being clear across town from me.

To win the Cup we need some luck (eg stay healthy), one better DB, a #1 gamebreaker receiver,
get Streveler into the mix more, and better special teams so we're not losing 10 yards or more on every
punt exchange.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 02, 2019, 05:15:52 PM
The 2011 Bombers had a much better offence than the 2018 Riders.

Be that as it may, my point was the defense was the strength of that 2011 Bombers team - same as the 2018 Riders.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 02, 2019, 05:28:28 PM
The 2011 Bombers had a much better offence than the 2018 Riders.
We had Buck as our QB and our D was very good....perhaps not dominant but we had Odell Willis playing in his prime at the time.    We were one missed interception away from winning that game however the Lions at home were just too much for us!  

The Riders last season were betting on a Collaros comeback but that didn't happen and with as many concussions as he's suffered, he just never reached the level when he broke into the league.   Backup QBs as we all know too well, rarely win playoff games albeit it happens on occasion but it's the exception and not the rule.   Streveler as our backup played extremely well against the Riders and helped our offence big time.   Unfortunately that didn't happen in the final....and Nichols had a poor showing.   The Calgary D pretty much stifled our offence which was mostly Justin Medlock.   I was hoping Streveler was going to have some opportunities/packages but they stuck with Nichols pretty much all the way and....well....he didn't accomplish much of anything.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 02, 2019, 05:33:40 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Bombers. They've even got me considering
going back to the stadium for a couple of games this season despite the Cup drought and stadium
being clear across town from me.

To win the Cup we need some luck (eg stay healthy), one better DB, a #1 gamebreaker receiver,
get Streveler into the mix more, and better special teams so we're not losing 10 yards or more on every
punt exchange.

I concur as that's pretty much my take on the Bombers chances for a Cup....luck is always a factor but good teams can usually overcome that short of losing their starting QB like we did in 06'.   Calgary kept BLM upright and he finally broke their GC luck with a Cup after three consecutive appearances and three consecutive first place finishes!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 02, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have released international linebacker Samuel Eguavoen so he can pursue an NFL opportunity, the team announced on Wednesday.
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/01/02/riders-release-sam-eguavoen-pursue-nfl-opportunity/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 02, 2019, 06:54:55 PM
We've hit 2019 with 2019 SMS money, even if we don't know what increases the new CBA brings. The NFL regular season is over. I think we'll start seeing an up tick in possible free agents getting NFL contracts or re-signing with their CFL teams. OTOH many may be destined to test free agency and the new CBA.

Marken Michel and Vaughters also released to pursue NFL opportunities. That's now 3 very good players that will be missed across the CFL by fans.

The catch is that the new CBA may take some time to achieve.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 02, 2019, 07:20:22 PM
We had Buck as our QB and our D was very good....perhaps not dominant but we had Odell Willis playing in his prime at the time.    We were one missed interception away from winning that game however the Lions at home were just too much for us!  

The Riders last season were betting on a Collaros comeback but that didn't happen and with as many concussions as he's suffered, he just never reached the level when he broke into the league.   Backup QBs as we all know too well, rarely win playoff games albeit it happens on occasion but it's the exception and not the rule.   Streveler as our backup played extremely well against the Riders and helped our offence big time.   Unfortunately that didn't happen in the final....and Nichols had a poor showing.   The Calgary D pretty much stifled our offence which was mostly Justin Medlock.   I was hoping Streveler was going to have some opportunities/packages but they stuck with Nichols pretty much all the way and....well....he didn't accomplish much of anything.

Sounds like Buck Pierce coming into Wpg in 2010, and us still banking on him getting to potential in 2011 and 2012.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 02, 2019, 07:25:36 PM
Sounds like Buck Pierce coming into Wpg in 2010, and us still banking on him getting to potential in 2011 and 2012.

Part of the problem with releasing Buck after 2010, and the same problem they'll have in Saskatchewan in 2019, is who is going to replace him? It's fine to want someone better but you actually need to sign someone better. Reilly and Bo Levi will probably be promised any amount of money, but it seems unlikely they'll be in green and white at this stage. If not them, then who? Collaros will be the best QB on the roster.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bluebeard on January 02, 2019, 07:45:52 PM
I wonder if Collaros will even be back with the Riders.  Three concussions during this last season makes it a little doubtful.  Any free agent QBs and the Riders will be bidding.  Could be another rough season for them offensively.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 02, 2019, 08:00:36 PM
You do realize we are paying Fenner 130k+, right? And he just played STs mostly. I'm not complaining, he has value but he contradicts your point that Walter's makes smart, cheaper signings.
You?re right. There is some ?fat? to be trimmed from our roster salaries?Fenner could have been sat because management was pleasantly surprised by the play of Alexander and sayles, and if they were, do you keep a guy like Fenner for ST play at $130k?? Also, Gotta look long and hard at what demskis making/asking and what a peterman could do in a similar role. There?s room for improved salary management to get $$ to sign Biggie, a top flight WR and a kick returner (chris Rainey s available). Aside from locking down our O line, that would be my top 3 off season priorities


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 02, 2019, 08:11:15 PM
Part of the problem with releasing Buck after 2010, and the same problem they'll have in Saskatchewan in 2019, is who is going to replace him? It's fine to want someone better but you actually need to sign someone better. Reilly and Bo Levi will probably be promised any amount of money, but it seems unlikely they'll be in green and white at this stage. If not them, then who? Collaros will be the best QB on the roster.

Yeah, getting a bona fide QB in the CFL isn't easy and when you have one, hold onto them dearly. Even when healthy, Buck was not the greatest when he played here (love the guy to bits though). Still, the post Buck period up until Nichols began starting in 2016 makes me anxious and depressed. There is even some doubt right now if Nichols is a good enough QB, and he's the best we have had in ages.

The Riders were spoiled with Durant in his prime for 9 years and like just about every team not named Calgary, will have to probably go through some pain to find the next one.

At some point, you just gotta cut the cord and hope you've found someone you can develop who will at least give you a shot every game and then only get better from there. Problem with that is it is a rare occurrence in this league.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue72 on January 02, 2019, 08:51:38 PM
It is no use looking at better IMP receivers until:

1 Lapo changes his game plan to go for more than 5-8 yards

2 Lapo plans on using more than 3 receivers per game

3 Nichols starts getting rid of the ball sooner and not out of bounds

4 This is a passing league and we throw less than all other teams

5 Our IMP receivers were 8th, 31, and 40 in the league so how many good IMPs want to play here

6 Nichols has a hard time getting past his 3rd read or receiver


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on January 02, 2019, 09:37:03 PM
Blue 72. You are exactly correct.  I agree!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 02, 2019, 09:43:35 PM
You?re right. There is some ?fat? to be trimmed from our roster salaries?Fenner could have been sat because management was pleasantly surprised by the play of Alexander and sayles, and if they were, do you keep a guy like Fenner for ST play at $130k?? Also, Gotta look long and hard at what demskis making/asking and what a peterman could do in a similar role. There?s room for improved salary management to get $$ to sign Biggie, a top flight WR and a kick returner (chris Rainey s available). Aside from locking down our O line, that would be my top 3 off season priorities
I believe Demski got around 125k or so. Also gotta keep in mind bonuses.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 02, 2019, 09:46:15 PM
It is no use looking at better IMP receivers until:

1 Lapo changes his game plan to go for more than 5-8 yards

2 Lapo plans on using more than 3 receivers per game

3 Nichols starts getting rid of the ball sooner and not out of bounds

4 This is a passing league and we throw less than all other teams

5 Our IMP receivers were 8th, 31, and 40 in the league so how many good IMPs want to play here

6 Nichols has a hard time getting past his 3rd read or receiver
Agree with all. If I'm a receiver, I'm avoiding Winnipeg unless Dressler and Demski go. Its almost impossible to evaluate guys like Washington and Thompkins cuz Nichols would probably throw to Drake Nevis before even looking at his 3rd read


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 02, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
It is no use looking at better IMP receivers until:

1 Lapo changes his game plan to go for more than 5-8 yards

2 Lapo plans on using more than 3 receivers per game

3 Nichols starts getting rid of the ball sooner and not out of bounds

4 This is a passing league and we throw less than all other teams

5 Our IMP receivers were 8th, 31, and 40 in the league so how many good IMPs want to play here

6 Nichols has a hard time getting past his 3rd read or receiver
did you ever think Lapo designs his game plans for the personnel he has?!?! He has no playmaker at the receiver position, so his plays revolve around screens or runs to Harris, looking at Adams or Dressler, who aren't often open, then checking it down to Thompkins or Woli.

did you see Reilly and BLM just chuck the ball up to Walker and Rogers this year??...50/50 balls at best, and time and time again, they make plays. THIS is the type of receiver we need, a play maker. If we had one, I think our offense would look totally different.


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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 03, 2019, 01:13:31 PM
did you ever think Lapo designs his game plans for the personnel he has?!?! He has no playmaker at the receiver position, so his plays revolve around screens or runs to Harris, looking at Adams or Dressler, who aren't often open, then checking it down to Thompkins or Woli.

did you see Reilly and BLM just chuck the ball up to Walker and Rogers this year??...50/50 balls at best, and time and time again, they make plays. THIS is the type of receiver we need, a play maker. If we had one, I think our offense would look totally different.

I'm inclined to agree with this. I think our issues with our passing game are a chicken-or-egg debate. While we see weaknesses on the field with Lapo's conservative play calling and Nichols inability to make multiple reads and toss the ball up, that all may very well be due to lack of talent. That is, if we had a e.g. Bryan Burnham, maybe our offence would look entirely different because Lapo and Nichols would have more confidence in the receiving corps overall as a group.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 03, 2019, 01:29:45 PM
I'm inclined to agree with this. I think our issues with our passing game are a chicken-or-egg debate. While we see weaknesses on the field with Lapo's conservative play calling and Nichols inability to make multiple reads and toss the ball up, that all may very well be due to lack of talent. That is, if we had a e.g. Bryan Burnham, maybe our offence would look entirely different because Lapo and Nichols would have more confidence in the receiving corps overall as a group.

It's definitely a combination of factors. The first (and probably major) consideration is at QB. Nichols isn't a great deep ball quarterback for a couple of reasons. He isn't very mobile so he struggles to scramble and avoid pressure while waiting for the deep routes to develop. He wasn't very accurate in 2018 with longer throws when he did have time. The second consideration is that I think O'Shea and LaPolice know that Nichols isn't going to be successful very often in a slugfest against tier 1 quarterbacks -- Reilly, Bo Levi, Harris (sometimes), Masoli (a lot of the time) -- he's just flat out not as good. To compensate, they've developed a ball control offense, that when working, wins TOP by leaning on short to medium range passes (which Nichols is good at) and the ground game with Harris and a strong offensive line. A bunch of above average import receivers bought in free agency will come at the cost of the offensive line or elsewhere, and that trade-off, given Nichols skillset, probably isn't a recipe for success.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 03, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
It's definitely a combination of factors. The first (and probably major) consideration is at QB. Nichols isn't a great deep ball quarterback for a couple of reasons. He isn't very mobile so he struggles to scramble and avoid pressure while waiting for the deep routes to develop. He wasn't very accurate in 2018 with longer throws when he did have time. The second consideration is that I think O'Shea and LaPolice know that Nichols isn't going to be successful very often in a slugfest against tier 1 quarterbacks -- Reilly, Bo Levi, Harris (sometimes), Masoli (a lot of the time) -- he's just flat out not as good. To compensate, they've developed a ball control offense, that when working, wins TOP by leaning on short to medium range passes (which Nichols is good at) and the ground game with Harris and a strong offensive line. A bunch of above average import receivers bought in free agency will come at the cost of the offensive line or elsewhere, and that trade-off, given Nichols skillset, probably isn't a recipe for success.

Lots of good points but for one, IMO it will take only one new great receiver only to turn around the passing game, and if can get lucky with a new recruit (proven unlikely) or an FA ready to hit their ceiling (I can dream), then this should not affect the OL personnel (a gain at receiver and a loss at OL is an overall net loss). Second, while I agree Nichols has his weaknesses I don't attribute all of what happened last year in the passing game to these weaknesses such as the particularly poor deep ball and the LaPo approach. Like you say, combination of factors but I don't think Nichols has as much to do with the issues as most, and that the receiver pool may play a more significant part than it is credited.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 03, 2019, 02:39:01 PM
It's definitely a combination of factors. The first (and probably major) consideration is at QB. Nichols isn't a great deep ball quarterback for a couple of reasons. He isn't very mobile so he struggles to scramble and avoid pressure while waiting for the deep routes to develop. He wasn't very accurate in 2018 with longer throws when he did have time. The second consideration is that I think O'Shea and LaPolice know that Nichols isn't going to be successful very often in a slugfest against tier 1 quarterbacks -- Reilly, Bo Levi, Harris (sometimes), Masoli (a lot of the time) -- he's just flat out not as good. To compensate, they've developed a ball control offense, that when working, wins TOP by leaning on short to medium range passes (which Nichols is good at) and the ground game with Harris and a strong offensive line. A bunch of above average import receivers bought in free agency will come at the cost of the offensive line or elsewhere, and that trade-off, given Nichols skillset, probably isn't a recipe for success.

Some valid points but I don't think LaPo intentionally builds his playbook to cover up personnel weakness as much as to take advantage of team strengths and find the shortest route to achieve consistent easy to manage performance while juggling a bunch of moving parts.  I don't think he cares how they win games or how many stats. they accumulate as long as the players understand their assignments, execute consistently and accomplish enough success to win games.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 03, 2019, 02:58:14 PM
It is no use looking at better IMP receivers until:

1 Lapo changes his game plan to go for more than 5-8 yards

2 Lapo plans on using more than 3 receivers per game

3 Nichols starts getting rid of the ball sooner and not out of bounds

4 This is a passing league and we throw less than all other teams

5 Our IMP receivers were 8th, 31, and 40 in the league so how many good IMPs want to play here

6 Nichols has a hard time getting past his 3rd read or receiver

Pretty sure the OC gameplans based on assets, rather than trying to fit assets into gameplan.  If we had different assets, Lapo's gameplan would be different to take advantage of those assets...  he's a pretty darned good OC, and if you gave him different / better players, I'm sure he would take advantage of those.  In the meantime, he has the best OL in the league, the leagues best RB, both as a pure runner and out of the backfield, he has a pretty dynamic player in Demski that can be used multiple ways, and he has Nichols to work with them.  It would be silly to be throwing deep every down... 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 03, 2019, 03:13:00 PM
There's no doubt LaPolice designed the offense around Harris - which was by necessity. Unfortunately, that was really the only part that worked as intended.

I think we all expected much more from Bowman this past season and when that didn't pan out, it put a damper on the passing game. Throw a struggling Nichols into the equation and it only exacerbated things.

A coordinator can only do so much with what he's given. And we all know Walters has struggled to find INT talent at the receiver position.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue72 on January 03, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
As much as everyone likes Dressler he is 33 now and last year only played 13 games. The last couple years he hasn't played a full season but his salary is up there and only producing 535 yards as our #2 IMP isn't very good. We need a better #1 receiver which moves Adams to #2 with his 1023 yards last year. This way we could get a up and comer at the #3 spot with a smaller salary while he learns Lapos game plan. I'm not saying we need a deep receiver but a 15-20 yard guy that will go up and fight for the ball, not a guy like Bowman which we never knew if he would catch it or not.

Dressler is a very smart player buy maybe it is time to look into coaching, as much as MOS thinks of Dressler it is time for a up grade in that position. Dressler still makes some outstanding plays but we need a guy for more than 13 games a season that can also take hits with size and speed. You can't win games from a hot tub. When your #2 guy goes down every year it puts more presser on the QB and game plans.

Harris won't be able to take the hits that he has been taken the last couple years and last the whole season. Demski is decent but he needs to learn the north/south game plus how to hold on to the ball and he is no future replacement for Harris.

For this team to take the next step up we have to replace a couple guys (upgrade) or it will be the same 1 playoff team. Dressler and Demski are good players but when you look at what they are being paid it makes a difference at what we can bring in.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 03, 2019, 05:51:17 PM
Pretty sure the OC gameplans based on assets, rather than trying to fit assets into gameplan.  If we had different assets, Lapo's gameplan would be different to take advantage of those assets...  he's a pretty darned good OC, and if you gave him different / better players, I'm sure he would take advantage of those.  In the meantime, he has the best OL in the league, the leagues best RB, both as a pure runner and out of the backfield, he has a pretty dynamic player in Demski that can be used multiple ways, and he has Nichols to work with them.  It would be silly to be throwing deep every down... 
Demski is a pending FA...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 03, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
Lots of good points but for one, IMO it will take only one new great receiver only to turn around the passing game, and if can get lucky with a new recruit (proven unlikely) or an FA ready to hit their ceiling (I can dream), then this should not affect the OL personnel (a gain at receiver and a loss at OL is an overall net loss). Second, while I agree Nichols has his weaknesses I don't attribute all of what happened last year in the passing game to these weaknesses such as the particularly poor deep ball and the LaPo approach. Like you say, combination of factors but I don't think Nichols has as much to do with the issues as most, and that the receiver pool may play a more significant part than it is credited.

Could be. There's no doubt adding a talented receiver would help the passing game on the whole. How could it not? I just don't think it's likely to turn Nichols into a 5000-yard passer or a guy who is going to excel in an offense built on challenging defenses deep. Some quarterbacks can win slinging the ball. They'll get 4 TDs and 3 INTs and you know they can win you the game on a final drive. Nichols really isn't that guy, at least I haven't seen it very often. He can play you a solid game but his strength is not taking chances and not throwing INTs. He has to play that way because he has a hard time overcoming those mistakes with big plays of his own. They happen sometimes, of course, but it's not the norm. For as long as we have Nichols, we need an above-average offensive line, running back and complimentary pieces at receiver. If we roll with a guy like Steveler, then yea, bring in the import receivers. His legs will buy him time in the pocket. He'll throw the 50/50 and fade balls. It's just not Nichols' game.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 03, 2019, 06:43:17 PM
Regardless of who's behind centre, it is imperative the team upgrade its INT receiver talent. I don't care how they do it (free agency or better scouting) but it needs to be done.

A type like Burnham, Saunders, Jorden, Williams, etc. would be a difference maker on offense - in a significant way.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 03, 2019, 06:51:50 PM
IMO LaPo can only work with what he has. Honestly, how many teams would Adams be the #1 receiver on. And as much as I like Dressler it's time to move on. After re-signing Bighill the #1 priority has to be to upgrade at receiver preferably with Burnham.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: tlf on January 03, 2019, 07:45:47 PM
I think Wolitarski has more potential than many realize to be great in this league. We need another WR/SB and yes I?d like to see Dressler back as he makes key catches others don?t.  A couple on the Oline could use a tune up and Richie....stay or go? I?m not a fan of his.  Fenner & Rush I?m unsure about. Fogg I?m good with having someone else take over his spot.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 03, 2019, 08:23:52 PM
I think Wolitarski has more potential than many realize to be great in this league. We need another WR/SB and yes I?d like to see Dressler back as he makes key catches others don?t.  A couple on the Oline could use a tune up and Richie....stay or go? I?m not a fan of his.  Fenner & Rush I?m unsure about. Fogg I?m good with having someone else take over his spot.

Maybe. I think people are excited about him because he does a great job *for the role we've placed him in*; i.e., the 5th receiver who fills a Nat spot. I think our best hope is that he continues to grow further and we are able to get the ball to him more. For him to become anything else, he would need to occupy a skill spot and I'm not so sure that will ever be the case.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Knocker42 on January 03, 2019, 08:30:31 PM
There is a lot to like about the way Wolitarsky has played.  He is a smart and reliable receiver who can go on to have a great career in the CFL if he chooses to stay.  He has been brought along steadily and well by the management/coaches.  However, he has not given any indication that he has the tools to be a deep threat.  That is not and probably never will be his role.  We need a couple of burners to complement the play of our current group, or at least those who return.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 03, 2019, 08:53:09 PM
Maybe. I think people are excited about him because he does a great job *for the role we've placed him in*; i.e., the 5th receiver who fills a Nat spot. I think our best hope is that he continues to grow further and we are able to get the ball to him more. For him to become anything else, he would need to occupy a skill spot and I'm not so sure that will ever be the case.

He was our second leading receiver, playing WR...  5th receiver, well, sure, but Lapo's offence spreads it around a lot. 

He is a big body, with good hands that runs good routes.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue72 on January 03, 2019, 09:06:48 PM
If Demski doesn't resign or take a small cut in his pay couldn't Wolitarsky move into his spot. Big receiver and could catch and with his size could also block. We have a lot of good new Nat receivers now on this team and maybe one of them could be in the wide out spot.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 03, 2019, 09:32:08 PM
Wow. Calgary is getting creamed in the NFL defection party.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 03, 2019, 09:45:12 PM
Wow. Calgary is getting creamed in the NFL defection party.
Almost like they have a tendency to bring in younger, skilled players via scouting consistently and make 3 straight GCs


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BBRT on January 03, 2019, 10:17:44 PM
Almost like they have a tendency to bring in younger, skilled players via scouting consistently and make 3 straight GCs
Amen! I fully expect Calgary to replace their lost bodies and not lose a beat in 2019.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on January 03, 2019, 10:20:15 PM
Amen! I fully expect Calgary to replace their lost bodies and not lose a beat in 2019.

While that has been the trend, if they lose BLM and Singleton, they don't have anyone waiting in the wings who has been developed to drop in.  Not saying they can't find it, but replacing two top of the league all stars is going to be tough. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 03, 2019, 11:10:07 PM
If Demski doesn't resign or take a small cut in his pay couldn't Wolitarsky move into his spot. Big receiver and could catch and with his size could also block. We have a lot of good new Nat receivers now on this team and maybe one of them could be in the wide out spot.

IMO they have different skill sets. So I can't see that change or Petermann sliding into Demski's role with the same results.

None of us believe Demski is the next Andrew Harris but he's a very good player.

It's depressing to hear so many complaints about Demski not running North and South. Harris doesn't always do that either but it's the result of a given play call that results in immediate closure by defenders in the backfield.

Demski should be re-signed. Canadian starters are not easy to find at cheap prices.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 03, 2019, 11:34:10 PM
Demski wasn't cheap.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 03, 2019, 11:36:59 PM
IMO they have different skill sets. So I can't see that change or Petermann sliding into Demski's role with the same results.

None of us believe Demski is the next Andrew Harris but he's a very good player.

It's depressing to hear so many complaints about Demski not running North and South. Harris doesn't always do that either but it's the result of a given play call that results in immediate closure by defenders in the backfield.

Demski should be re-signed. Canadian starters are not easy to find at cheap prices.


I agree with you about Demski. He's actually more like Flanders than Peterman. I know that he does run a lot of east/west than north/south but I do believe that he can change this. As for what Demski gets paid, as a starting Canadian he's going to get more. That's just the way it is.


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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 04, 2019, 04:30:39 AM
If Demski doesn't resign or take a small cut in his pay couldn't Wolitarsky move into his spot. Big receiver and could catch and with his size could also block. We have a lot of good new Nat receivers now on this team and maybe one of them could be in the wide out spot.

Nuh uh, you're forgetting Demski is playing the role Flanders established the previous season, a hybrid SB/RB dual threat in the mold of Andre Durie.  That dual role is a critical complexity of LaPo's offence and Wolitarsky isn't much more than a good Natl. possession receiver at present.  We shouldn't forget why they went out and brought Demski home, he has his flaws but he also possesses the skills to become one the most  productive Natl. players in the CFL in the next few years.  I wouldn't quibble about the amount they are currently paying him, just retain him.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 04, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
Put me on the in the Grey Cup or changes camp. MOS is .500 as a head coach. We've got 1 playoff win in 5 years and that was against a team without it's starting QB. We were 2nd in the West in '17, 3rd in '18, so no, we haven't gotten better each year and we're not trending upward. Harris, our biggest weapon is an over 30 RB.

Changing the HC doesn't equal blowing it all up. New coaches would keep most of the current players, especially the core guys. We'd likely change the ratio and bring some different players in, but those kinds of changes happen every year and the changes may be exactly what we need to go from a playoff team to a Cup winner.

Agree somewhat....though a .500 coach he is also 33-21 in his past 3 seasons and 3 straight play-off wins, so in my opinion that is a sign of progression if anything continuity. Also to say we won a play-off game only because a team was without it's starting QB(a damaged and sub par one at best anyway) is also yanking at straws...He would have made no difference, and we played a very conservative game on offence to do just enough to get ahead and stay ahead once we came to conclusion the Sask offence couldn't put a drive together...that was a bizarre offensive game plan by us, and logic tells you that if needed, we would have opened it up and did more to produce points if required.

YOU toss your head coach, basically you toss away most of your staff and any and all the continuity they have built..and that is huge...and you probably lose some players...key ones in the process.

With all the league question marks with teams personnel right now...and many to do with huge QB issues...this is exactly the season to stay the course with what we have going...add the 1-2 key pieces to climb over the hump and get to the cup.....re-evaluate next off-season because if a grey cup appearance at the least is not achieved...well then some changes should occur



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 04, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Agree somewhat....though a .500 coach he is also 33-21 in his past 3 seasons and 3 straight play-off wins appearances


I wish they were all wins!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 04, 2019, 01:43:34 PM
HAHA...MY BAD...yeah meant appearances....early morning tying on my phone I didn't see what I typed


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 04, 2019, 03:07:19 PM
Agree somewhat....though a .500 coach he is also 33-21 in his past 3 seasons and 3 straight play-off wins, so in my opinion that is a sign of progression if anything continuity. Also to say we won a play-off game only because a team was without it's starting QB(a damaged and sub par one at best anyway) is also yanking at straws...He would have made no difference, and we played a very conservative game on offence to do just enough to get ahead and stay ahead once we came to conclusion the Sask offence couldn't put a drive together...that was a bizarre offensive game plan by us, and logic tells you that if needed, we would have opened it up and did more to produce points if required.

YOU toss your head coach, basically you toss away most of your staff and any and all the continuity they have built..and that is huge...and you probably lose some players...key ones in the process.

With all the league question marks with teams personnel right now...and many to do with huge QB issues...this is exactly the season to stay the course with what we have going...add the 1-2 key pieces to climb over the hump and get to the cup.....re-evaluate next off-season because if a grey cup appearance at the least is not achieved...well then some changes should occur
3 straight playoff years. 1 win.

I didn't say the ONLY reason we won was because we played against a backup QB, but it's certainly one of the reasons we won. We played a conservative O game in both playoff games and didn't change anything until we were behind by 2 scores in the western final. Logic says that we wouldn't have opened it up if we needed to. I don't know if we could open it up, because that would expect Nichols to take chances and that's not either PLAP or Nichols modus operandi.

I'm not saying fire MOS this year. I'm saying fire him next year if he doesn't at least make it to the Grey cup. We need to sign a ton of players before we get back into the 1-2 key pieces to get over the hump.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Pigskin on January 04, 2019, 04:49:44 PM
We still would have won that game even with Collaris at QB.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 04, 2019, 05:38:45 PM
3 straight playoff years. 1 win.

I didn't say the ONLY reason we won was because we played against a backup QB, but it's certainly one of the reasons we won. We played a conservative O game in both playoff games and didn't change anything until we were behind by 2 scores in the western final. Logic says that we wouldn't have opened it up if we needed to. I don't know if we could open it up, because that would expect Nichols to take chances and that's not either PLAP or Nichols modus operandi.

I'm not saying fire MOS this year. I'm saying fire him next year if he doesn't at least make it to the Grey cup. We need to sign a ton of players before we get back into the 1-2 key pieces to get over the hump.



A lot of assumptions that require a more careful look in this post.

3 straight playoff years is good even if only one win is not as good. Of the two semi-final losses, we lost a shootout in BC which was regarded as a big step forward for the organization at the time. The loss at home to Edmonton sucked and was probably our least competitive playoff game out of the 4 we've played under O'Shea. A case of poor timing with injuries was a large factor.

We played a conservative offensive game in the playoffs because we had played fairly conservatively on offense for much of the year. I agree that quiet steady play is Nichols modus operandi but LaPolice's offense scored the most points in the league last year and he's run deep ball offenses over the years (including in Winnipeg). I think he tried to open it up midway through the season and Nichols failed to find success using that approach. That's not on Lapo.

It's silly to say "fire insert coach here" if we don't make the Grey Cup over the next "number of years". You need context and you need to clearly identify the issue. Why didn't we win the Grey Cup last year, for example? O'Shea would probably be stacking Coach of the Year awards if he had Calgary's roster and QB. He gets the most out of his players and he's not routinely getting outcoached. At some point, change will need to be made but a knee-jerk reaction of firing O'Shea isn't automatically the solution. No other head coach was going to get Nichols to outplay Bo Levi in the West Final last year. If you think that would solve the problem I whole-heartedly disagree.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 04, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
A lot of assumptions that require a more careful look in this post.

3 straight playoff years is good even if only one win is not as good. Of the two semi-final losses, we lost a shootout in BC which was regarded as a big step forward for the organization at the time. The loss at home to Edmonton sucked and was probably our least competitive playoff game out of the 4 we've played under O'Shea. A case of poor timing with injuries was a large factor.

We played a conservative offensive game in the playoffs because we had played fairly conservatively on offense for much of the year. I agree that quiet steady play is Nichols modus operandi but LaPolice's offense scored the most points in the league last year and he's run deep ball offenses over the years (including in Winnipeg). I think he tried to open it up midway through the season and Nichols failed to find success using that approach. That's not on Lapo.

It's silly to say "fire insert coach here" if we don't make the Grey Cup over the next "number of years". You need context and you need to clearly identify the issue. Why didn't we win the Grey Cup last year, for example? O'Shea would probably be stacking Coach of the Year awards if he had Calgary's roster and QB. He gets the most out of his players and he's not routinely getting outcoached. At some point, change will need to be made but a knee-jerk reaction of firing O'Shea isn't automatically the solution. No other head coach was going to get Nichols to outplay Bo Levi in the West Final last year. If you think that would solve the problem I whole-heartedly disagree.

We were outplayed in the BC game. A stupid call by MOS sealed the loss. We were totally outplayed by Edmonton the next year by a large margin.
We were the least injured team in the 2018 playoffs. We beat a Regina team that was without their starting QB and lost to a Calgary team who had to completely replace their receivers in season. All that is better than not making the playoffs, but it's no reason to talk about coach of the year.

Nichols didn't have to outplay BLM. Our team needed to outplay their team.

I disagree that MOS gets the most out of his players. 5 years in, he better not be getting out coached or making stupid calls. 6 years in isn't when 'knee jerk' reactions are made. MOS may be the kind of coach who gets us to competitive but can't take us over the hump.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 04, 2019, 06:19:20 PM
We were outplayed in the BC game. A stupid call by MOS sealed the loss. We were totally outplayed by Edmonton the next year by a large margin.
We were the least injured team in the 2018 playoffs. We beat a Regina team that was without their starting QB and lost to a Calgary team who had to completely replace their receivers in season. All that is better than not making the playoffs, but it's no reason to talk about coach of the year.

Nichols didn't have to outplay BLM. Our team needed to outplay their team.

I disagree that MOS gets the most out of his players. 5 years in, he better not be getting out coached or making stupid calls. 6 years in isn't when 'knee jerk' reactions are made. MOS may be the kind of coach who gets us to competitive but can't take us over the hump.


So a "better" coach would have got us a win against the Stamps in the playoffs this year? Coming off a bye? I don't think so. But if you're so sure, who would have done so? And what would they have done differently? Before you hire this coach, please tell them they have to win a road playoff game against 13-5 team coming off a bye where their quarterback goes 15/32 (46.8%) for 156 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 04, 2019, 06:27:45 PM
And by the same token, he may very well be the kind of coach who, with the right personnel, can take a team over the hump.

And as if this had to be pointed out... But every coach in the league has made mistakes. Not a single one has an unblemished record as far as calls, challenges, or decisions go.

As for O'Shea getting the most out of his players, I'll go by what his players have said and continue to say about him.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 04, 2019, 06:56:29 PM
So a "better" coach would have got us a win against the Stamps in the playoffs this year? Coming off a bye? I don't think so. But if you're so sure, who would have done so? And what would they have done differently? Before you hire this coach, please tell them they have to win a road playoff game against 13-5 team coming off a bye where their quarterback goes 15/32 (46.8%) for 156 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.
Calgary were hardly the juggernaut your making them out to be. They lost 3 of their last 4 games, including 1 to us. They didn't clinch first until the last week of the season. They regularly clinch much earlier. They had the tons of injuries excuse that you gave to MOS for 2017. Lots of folks were picking us to win that game and not just Bomber fans.

I read Nichols stats as those of a QB that should have been replaced to see if Streveler could have made something happen, especially when half of those yards were in the last 3:30 after the game was out of hand. Maybe a different HC makes that tough call.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 04, 2019, 07:17:12 PM
Having Eric Rogers and Chris Mathews in your receiving crew is top notch for any team in the league..hardly a crippled offence by any means and Mathews though only there for latter part of the season is a moot point..he had 2 seasons in the CFL previous to that and knew exactly what to do..expect...and be effective...he wasn't some fresh face rookie floated in and learning on the fly


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 04, 2019, 07:21:45 PM
Having Eric Rogers and Chris Mathews in your receiving crew is top notch for any team in the league..hardly a crippled offence by any means and Mathews though only there for latter part of the season is a moot point..he had 2 seasons in the CFL previous to that and knew exactly what to do..expect...and be effective...he wasn't some fresh face rookie floated in and learning on the fly
He was also a guy our management went out of their way to say we weren't interested in....really worked out well for us, hey?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 04, 2019, 07:33:17 PM
He was also a guy our management went out of their way to say we weren't interested in....really worked out well for us, hey?

I was and still am pretty choked about that.

Got the first TD in IGF for the Blue #trivia


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 04, 2019, 08:02:00 PM
well he is a free agent..again and if he doesn't receive another NFL offer this winter...he best be on our radar and the guy we target...His presence will totally up Darvins numbers as well...and he did pretty good all things considered this year...double digit in TD catches and most 30 yard plus plays as a receiver this year are nothing to complain about


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 04, 2019, 11:52:53 PM
He was also a guy our management went out of their way to say we weren't interested in....really worked out well for us, hey?
Our management have got to start looking at things a lot more objectively and quit being so loyal to inferior talent. Both Posey and Matthews would have upgraded our offense and possibly have helped us beat Calgary, but Walters passed on both, and our offense continued to sputter. We needed a kick returner and BC chose to sit out Chris Rainey, you can't tell me we couldn't have swung a trade for a late round pick to get him here and improve our return game...... We'd sure as heck better get a #1 receiver and kick returner this off season!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on January 05, 2019, 12:57:32 AM
If he was sat, isn't he. Available to any team. I.e. Waivers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 05, 2019, 04:09:17 AM
If he was sat, isn't he. Available to any team. I.e. Waivers.
What


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 05, 2019, 04:10:05 AM
I was and still am pretty choked about that.

Got the first TD in IGF for the Blue #trivia
Same. it's like being dehydrated in the desert but going out of your way to say you won't drink tap water


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 05, 2019, 04:11:56 AM
Our management have got to start looking at things a lot more objectively and quit being so loyal to inferior talent. Both Posey and Matthews would have upgraded our offense and possibly have helped us beat Calgary, but Walters passed on both, and our offense continued to sputter. We needed a kick returner and BC chose to sit out Chris Rainey, you can't tell me we couldn't have swung a trade for a late round pick to get him here and improve our return game...... We'd sure as heck better get a #1 receiver and kick returner this off season!!
Posey I get in the sense there might have been a bidding war. But Matthews pisses me off because it was blatantly unnecessary to not at least take a shot or say nothing. As for Rainey, apparently there was interest but BC wasn't gonna make a rival who they were neck and neck with for a playoff spot better


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on January 05, 2019, 01:42:42 PM
Edmonton has released Duke Williams for an NFL gig.

https://3downnation.com/2019/01/04/esks-release-duke-williams-to-pursue-nfl-opportunities/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 05, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Our management have got to start looking at things a lot more objectively and quit being so loyal to inferior talent. Both Posey and Matthews would have upgraded our offense and possibly have helped us beat Calgary, but Walters passed on both, and our offense continued to sputter. We needed a kick returner and BC chose to sit out Chris Rainey, you can't tell me we couldn't have swung a trade for a late round pick to get him here and improve our return game...... We'd sure as heck better get a #1 receiver and kick returner this off season!!

Even if we could have traded for Rainey we'd still have had issues getting him on the roster as a DI. That was the reason we couldn't get Lankford on as the returner for most of the season as well.

Rainey has had a tendency to put the ball of the ground a little too often for my liking. But he can be a difference maker as well.  Maybe we take a run at him during free agency. Not sure if he's " wanted " back in BC with the new regime of coaches.

OTOH if we have room for a " returner " with our ratio, you'd think a low cost returner could be found if that's his only role.

If we used an import RB Rainey would be a different option and have more roles on offense.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
Calgary has lost Vaughters, Thurman, Matthews and Michel, and could lose Singleton and Mitchell.  Just to NFL opportunities, never mind FA.  It will open up a lot of cap for Huffer to re-sign players, sure, but that's a huge hit to talent, and while WR might not be an issue with guys getting healthy, DL, QB, LB are not spots they have huge depth...

By the time the FA period kicks in, it will be very interesting to see what happens...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on January 05, 2019, 07:01:57 PM
True, Calgary has a lot of players trying out for NFL spots... Everyone has to chase their dream, they're chasing theirs, most if not all will be back and Calgary will be fine.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 05, 2019, 08:23:41 PM
Already about 9 players released early in order to pursue NFL opportunities. That seems sooner than usual and more than usual. Potentially some top talent will not be available until mid season if at all. Potentially.

So far none of the Bombers wanting to pursue NFL opportunities have been released early. Don't know if that happens shortly or even whether they look at other CFL opportunities in mid Feb.

It looks like there are going to some significant changes on all teams this season.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blueraid on January 05, 2019, 10:06:53 PM
Already about 9 players released early in order to pursue NFL opportunities. That seems sooner than usual and more than usual. Potentially some top talent will not be available until mid season if at all. Potentially.

So far none of the Bombers wanting to pursue NFL opportunities have been released early. Don't know if that happens shortly or even whether they look at other CFL opportunities in mid Feb.

It looks like there are going to some significant changes on all teams this season.


Which ain't great if 'continuity' is the name of the game but I'm afraid that word ,continuity, is going to be a thing of the past....You won't know the players unless you have  a program.. Big changes in the wind for this league


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 05, 2019, 10:22:16 PM
Not sure what to make about all the early releases and whether these players actually now have NFL offers. Might be a bit of goodwill by the teams to allow early releases to these players. It'snot unusual to see them return to the same CFL team if the NFL doesn't work out.

OTOH, can't see the top level players not sticking for a season or more. I think signing bonus's for rookies are restricted aren't they. Not sure about guaranteed amounts in NFL contracts though, over any signing amounts.

Haven't heard any reports of CFL players signing in the " new " league yet.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 06, 2019, 05:53:13 AM
Not sure what to make about all the early releases and whether these players actually now have NFL offers. Might be a bit of goodwill by the teams to allow early releases to these players. It'snot unusual to see them return to the same CFL team if the NFL doesn't work out.

OTOH, can't see the top level players not sticking for a season or more. I think signing bonus's for rookies are restricted aren't they. Not sure about guaranteed amounts in NFL contracts though, over any signing amounts.

Haven't heard any reports of CFL players signing in the " new " league yet.

That's my expectation, it would mark a milestone if the NFL held onto 10 CFL players for the season and very bad luck for the CFL.  I can see 3 or 4 hanging in there but not anywhere near 10.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 06, 2019, 06:12:11 AM
not going to lie, I find it more than a bit amusing in regards to the number of people here that are now saying basically the same things I was saying last year about Nichols, and I was labeled a hater... but that's water under the bridge, however, until we get a better QB1 it's going to be tough sledding in 1) finding an impact receiver, or 2) getting an impact FA receiver to want to come to Winnipeg... it is just what it is... after all, what good would it do to bring in a deep threat receiver if QB1 can't/won't make the throws to them?

As a team we fail to take advantage of one of the biggest offensive asset there is in the CFL, the size of the field. We have all of our receivers running routes in the same 3 to 15 yards play after play. Sure, receivers may seem to not be open, but that's because they are all playing in the same, congested plane... we're not spreading the defense and therefore YAC are hard to come by as well... but we all know this so there isn't much need to keep rehashing it, I have a theory as to why we have trouble landing impact import receivers...

I don't think our problem lies with our ability to scout players from the south as much as it is more likely our, the Bomber's management, relationship with player agents.... as well as the one thing that is rarely ever discussed here, the Negotiation List. For starters, if a player isn't interested in coming north our scouts are just spinning their wheels scouting them and chasing them. Sure, they are looking at all receivers and following their growth down south but their are 100's of receivers in the pool. So, until a receiver has graduated/left college, felt they have exhausted all of their NFL opportunities, and still want to pursue professional football aspirations, you can spend a lot of time spinning your wheels on people that may have no interest in the CFL... This is why we have the try out camps, this allows us to see who is actually interested in playing in the CFL and who we should be spending time on trying to sign. This is where the agent relationship and the Negotiation List come into play...

We don't know that our scouts aren't trying to get a lot of the same players that other teams are signing, but, if they are already on someone else's Negotiation List it's a waste of time. So I ask, who is the first person that knows that a players is interested in playing in the CFL? The player's agent... So, once a player, an impact player, is ready to go north to try and extend their career and possibly do well enough to get another shot at the NFL, their agent starts calling GM's and or team scouts... who do you think those agents are going to call first? They are calling teams who have QB1's that are going to make their player look the best because the agent is paid a percentage and he wants his boy to get another NFL shot. So they are calling Edmonton and Calgary and whatever team that may have a hot shot QB1 at the moment and those teams are promptly placing these potential players on their Negotiation List which promptly and effectively eliminates any other team from having a chance to acquire them.

Since the Negotiation List is a 'fluid' document, meaning it can change daily, as well as a secret to the fans and players, they can make as many additions and deletions as they want, whenever they want, as many times as they want to suit their wants or needs... We land a QB1 that can consistently make the long throws, is mobile enough to allow for these deeper routes, and a game plan that compliments the play of these desired impact players and our phone starts ringing more often and sooner...

We can spend all of the time we want evaluating and scouting players, writing reports and making recommendations, but until their agents starts calling us first it's really nothing more than busy work...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 06, 2019, 06:25:36 AM
Even if we could have traded for Rainey we'd still have had issues getting him on the roster as a DI. That was the reason we couldn't get Lankford on as the returner for most of the season as well.

Rainey has had a tendency to put the ball of the ground a little too often for my liking. But he can be a difference maker as well.  Maybe we take a run at him during free agency. Not sure if he's " wanted " back in BC with the new regime of coaches.

OTOH if we have room for a " returner " with our ratio, you'd think a low cost returner could be found if that's his only role.

If we used an import RB Rainey would be a different option and have more roles on offense.

Not that I want to see this happen but Rainey would look great in Demski's role plus returns if for whatever reason they couldn't retain Nic and came up with an additional Natl. to start on the D side, which is something they should be looking for regardless IMO.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2019, 01:39:10 PM
Not that I want to see this happen but Rainey would look great in Demski's role plus returns if for whatever reason they couldn't retain Nic and came up with an additional Natl. to start on the D side, which is something they should be looking for regardless IMO.

I don't think Rainey does enough and / or is a capable full time type of starter. He's better when used sparingly IMO. That keeps him fresh and defenses struggling to defend him when he does get on the field. The Lions used him as a RB or receiver in different formations. His best use was more as their returner.

I think his salary is not going to be that cheap which is another issue as well as the ratio which may or may not change. I'd hope Walters has a talk with him if he reaches free agency but I'm not convinced he'll be the right fit.

We have 4 Canadian starters as potential free agents so need to see how that works out and if they can have a net gain in depth.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BBRT on January 06, 2019, 03:09:11 PM
not going to lie, I find it more than a bit amusing in regards to the number of people here that are now saying basically the same things I was saying last year about Nichols, and I was labeled a hater... but that's water under the bridge, however, until we get a better QB1 it's going to be tough sledding in 1) finding an impact receiver, or 2) getting an impact FA receiver to want to come to Winnipeg... it is just what it is... after all, what good would it do to bring in a deep threat receiver if QB1 can't/won't make the throws to them?

As a team we fail to take advantage of one of the biggest offensive asset there is in the CFL, the size of the field. We have all of our receivers running routes in the same 3 to 15 yards play after play. Sure, receivers may seem to not be open, but that's because they are all playing in the same, congested plane... we're not spreading the defense and therefore YAC are hard to come by as well... but we all know this so there isn't much need to keep rehashing it, I have a theory as to why we have trouble landing impact import receivers...

I don't think our problem lies with our ability to scout players from the south as much as it is more likely our, the Bomber's management, relationship with player agents.... as well as the one thing that is rarely ever discussed here, the Negotiation List. For starters, if a player isn't interested in coming north our scouts are just spinning their wheels scouting them and chasing them. Sure, they are looking at all receivers and following their growth down south but their are 100's of receivers in the pool. So, until a receiver has graduated/left college, felt they have exhausted all of their NFL opportunities, and still want to pursue professional football aspirations, you can spend a lot of time spinning your wheels on people that may have no interest in the CFL... This is why we have the try out camps, this allows us to see who is actually interested in playing in the CFL and who we should be spending time on trying to sign. This is where the agent relationship and the Negotiation List come into play...

We don't know that our scouts aren't trying to get a lot of the same players that other teams are signing, but, if they are already on someone else's Negotiation List it's a waste of time. So I ask, who is the first person that knows that a players is interested in playing in the CFL? The player's agent... So, once a player, an impact player, is ready to go north to try and extend their career and possibly do well enough to get another shot at the NFL, their agent starts calling GM's and or team scouts... who do you think those agents are going to call first? They are calling teams who have QB1's that are going to make their player look the best because the agent is paid a percentage and he wants his boy to get another NFL shot. So they are calling Edmonton and Calgary and whatever team that may have a hot shot QB1 at the moment and those teams are promptly placing these potential players on their Negotiation List which promptly and effectively eliminates any other team from having a chance to acquire them.

Since the Negotiation List is a 'fluid' document, meaning it can change daily, as well as a secret to the fans and players, they can make as many additions and deletions as they want, whenever they want, as many times as they want to suit their wants or needs... We land a QB1 that can consistently make the long throws, is mobile enough to allow for these deeper routes, and a game plan that compliments the play of these desired impact players and our phone starts ringing more often and sooner...

We can spend all of the time we want evaluating and scouting players, writing reports and making recommendations, but until their agents starts calling us first it's really nothing more than busy work...

This is probably the most logical quote I have seen posted in some time. I can not find anything to disagree with in Chevy's analysis. I do think our major problem will be related to our desire to maintain the status quo given the vacancy in other teams at the QB position. I don't even know if MN has the arm to go deep or not. I do believe that Streveler does have the arm strength to go deep. Whether our OC will design the plays needed to do so is pretty much up for discussion.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2019, 04:45:07 PM
not going to lie, I find it more than a bit amusing in regards to the number of people here that are now saying basically the same things I was saying last year about Nichols, and I was labeled a hater... but that's water under the bridge, however, until we get a better QB1 it's going to be tough sledding in 1) finding an impact receiver, or 2) getting an impact FA receiver to want to come to Winnipeg... it is just what it is... after all, what good would it do to bring in a deep threat receiver if QB1 can't/won't make the throws to them?

As a team we fail to take advantage of one of the biggest offensive asset there is in the CFL, the size of the field. We have all of our receivers running routes in the same 3 to 15 yards play after play. Sure, receivers may seem to not be open, but that's because they are all playing in the same, congested plane... we're not spreading the defense and therefore YAC are hard to come by as well... but we all know this so there isn't much need to keep rehashing it, I have a theory as to why we have trouble landing impact import receivers...

I don't think our problem lies with our ability to scout players from the south as much as it is more likely our, the Bomber's management, relationship with player agents.... as well as the one thing that is rarely ever discussed here, the Negotiation List. For starters, if a player isn't interested in coming north our scouts are just spinning their wheels scouting them and chasing them. Sure, they are looking at all receivers and following their growth down south but their are 100's of receivers in the pool. So, until a receiver has graduated/left college, felt they have exhausted all of their NFL opportunities, and still want to pursue professional football aspirations, you can spend a lot of time spinning your wheels on people that may have no interest in the CFL... This is why we have the try out camps, this allows us to see who is actually interested in playing in the CFL and who we should be spending time on trying to sign. This is where the agent relationship and the Negotiation List come into play...

We don't know that our scouts aren't trying to get a lot of the same players that other teams are signing, but, if they are already on someone else's Negotiation List it's a waste of time. So I ask, who is the first person that knows that a players is interested in playing in the CFL? The player's agent... So, once a player, an impact player, is ready to go north to try and extend their career and possibly do well enough to get another shot at the NFL, their agent starts calling GM's and or team scouts... who do you think those agents are going to call first? They are calling teams who have QB1's that are going to make their player look the best because the agent is paid a percentage and he wants his boy to get another NFL shot. So they are calling Edmonton and Calgary and whatever team that may have a hot shot QB1 at the moment and those teams are promptly placing these potential players on their Negotiation List which promptly and effectively eliminates any other team from having a chance to acquire them.

Since the Negotiation List is a 'fluid' document, meaning it can change daily, as well as a secret to the fans and players, they can make as many additions and deletions as they want, whenever they want, as many times as they want to suit their wants or needs... We land a QB1 that can consistently make the long throws, is mobile enough to allow for these deeper routes, and a game plan that compliments the play of these desired impact players and our phone starts ringing more often and sooner...

We can spend all of the time we want evaluating and scouting players, writing reports and making recommendations, but until their agents starts calling us first it's really nothing more than busy work...

IMO this is a naive and bias post.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Knocker42 on January 06, 2019, 05:39:03 PM
Why would anyone think our scouts and management people are not aware of the factors quoted above with regard to finding good young players?  How would anyone know what the relationships between our people and the various agents is?
It is fun to speculate. nothing wrong with it  at all but that doesn't make it fact.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BBRT on January 06, 2019, 05:47:42 PM
Why would anyone think our scouts and management people are not aware of the factors quoted above with regard to finding good young players?  How would anyone know what the relationships between our people and the various agents is?
It is fun to speculate. nothing wrong with it  at all but that doesn't make it fact.

no one indicated it was fact - just opinion! That is why you have forums such as this correct? And in my OPINION management and our scouts have not done a good job of finding sufficient talent especially at the wide-out position. Not a very good job at all IMHO!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2019, 06:36:34 PM
no one indicated it was fact - just opinion! That is why you have forums such as this correct? And in my OPINION management and our scouts have not done a good job of finding sufficient talent especially at the wide-out position. Not a very good job at all IMHO!

Exactly. Occam's razor.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 06, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
IMO this is a naive and bias post.

how so? everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find it hard to believe that our professional scouts are not astute enough to see if a player is good or not so there has to be some other contributing factors, I'm just putting out the idea that it's not as cut and dry as some may think it is to find and sign talent...

Why would anyone think our scouts and management people are not aware of the factors quoted above with regard to finding good young players?  How would anyone know what the relationships between our people and the various agents is?
It is fun to speculate. nothing wrong with it  at all but that doesn't make it fact.

I'm not claiming to know what the status of relationships are between the Bombers organization and player representation, just saying that it's not necessarily poor scouting as the primary, or only, reason for this issue... I will say this, if I were representing WRs, I would call Edmonton or Calgary before Winnipeg if I wanted my player to land in what I thought would be the best opportunity to advance my player's career, I think most would...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2019, 07:04:56 PM
how so? everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find it hard to believe that our professional scouts are not astute enough to see if a player is good or not so there has to be some other contributing factors, I'm just putting out the idea that it's not as cut and dry as some may think it is to find and sign talent...

I'm not claiming to know what the status of relationships are between the Bombers organization and player representation, just saying that it's not necessarily poor scouting as the primary, or only, reason for this issue... I will say this, if I were representing WRs, I would call Edmonton or Calgary before Winnipeg if I wanted my player to land in what I thought would be the best opportunity to advance my player's career, I think most would...

Your opinion on Nichols for one.  Looking for alternatives to the problems with the scouts for another.

You expressed your opinion and I expressed mine. I think you are still learning the complexities of the CFL game.

Walters has been doing an exceptional job of re-signing Bomber players during his tenure. He's also done a very good job at attracting CFL free agents from around the league. Take a look at our roster. That doesn't happen when you have problems with players or agents.

Where players decide to go is more complicated than just ending up on the neg list. Playing opportunity, money, proximity to home, chance for playoff money.

 I expect to lose some players in free agency to the NFL. Overall I expect to lose less players we want to keep then other CFL teams. When we do it's tended to be due to SMS over spending( Westerman for example ).





Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 06, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
You can't blame Nichols for the fact that we can't find an impact receiver. I can't even remember the last impact receiver that this organization found, probably Chris Matthews, and that was long before Nichols got here. As for player agents having influence on who goes on the neg list, I doubt that many of them even know if a player that they represent is even on a teams list. If a team puts a player on their list he remains on the list until the team either releases him or his rights are traded.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 06, 2019, 09:49:52 PM
Your opinion on Nichols for one.  Looking for alternatives to the problems with the scouts for another.

You expressed your opinion and I expressed mine. I think you are still learning the complexities of the CFL game.

Walters has been doing an exceptional job of re-signing Bomber players during his tenure. He's also done a very good job at attracting CFL free agents from around the league. Take a look at our roster. That doesn't happen when you have problems with players or agents.

Where players decide to go is more complicated than just ending up on the neg list. Playing opportunity, money, proximity to home, chance for playoff money.

 I expect to lose some players in free agency to the NFL. Overall I expect to lose less players we want to keep then other CFL teams. When we do it's tended to be due to SMS over spending( Westerman for example ).





We can agree to disagree in regards to my opinion on Nichols, but I feel that the majority would be on my side if polled...  as far as what Walters has done, agreed, I never said that there wasn't a culture within the Bombers organization that players seem to enjoy and enjoy playing for Winnipeg, nor am I saying that there are bad relationships currently with player agents and or the players themselves. What I am saying, is that I believe that agents are steering their receiver clients to other destinations before shopping them to us due to our QB, scheme, and receiver opportunity to showcase their talents.

Also, I'm not saying that agents are trying to get their receiver clients, or any other player they represent, added to any team's negotiation list. There is a reason why it, the negotiation list, is held in secrecy, it benefits only the organization and basically removes a players choice to shop his services, receive fair market valve for his services, or decide to play for the organization of their choice.  Once a team places them on their list it's either accept that team's offer, for the most part 2 years at league minimum, or sit for a year and not play. So yes, in some cases it is as simple as that. Additionally, the list can be used to 'park' a player that the team that put them on their list may not have an immediate need for said player but keep that player for signing with any other team. Again, there is a very specific reason why it's kept in secrecy from fans, players, and player agents, not other teams though, the league send updates to each team's negotiation list to EVERY team, daily...

The list is used to manage SMS money, that is the primary reason why it exist in my opinion. It keeps players that are eligible to be added to that list from accepting offers from other teams, essentially requiring the player in question to accept that minimum offer or not play for a year. I doubt that any player is told specifically that they have been added to the team's list, or is told, unless a deal such as the one with Manziel comes to light, unless absolutely necessary...

but at the end of the day, you tell me, if you were a receiver, would you rather have BLM or Mike Reilly throwing to you or Matt Nichols...

again, not trying to convince you, just offering the members here an alternate perspective to consider, nothing more... But I'll leave you with this, if organizations aren't hiding something, why is it they won't share the entire list with fans, players, and agents, yet, is willing, and does, share it with their competition?  food for thought...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 06, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
and before you tell me that I'm not capable of understanding the complexity of the CFL Negotiation List, here is an article that I found while researching the topic that I used to help form my opinion...  found it on TSN's site, here's a link if you would like to verfiy: https://www.tsn.ca/the-enduring-mystery-of-cfl-negotiation-lists-1.981621 (https://www.tsn.ca/the-enduring-mystery-of-cfl-negotiation-lists-1.981621)

"It?s the Canadian Football League?s most mysterious element. Shrouded in darkness and whispers, the nature of its use and the tricks of the trade that go with it are closely guarded secrets.

It?s called the negotiation list, a ledger each of the CFL?s nine teams has of up to 45 players whose rights are owned by the franchise. Some of the players are still in college, some are in the NFL and some are just working out, waiting for the phone to ring.


Some players sit on a ?neg list,? as it?s often called, for weeks. Others, such as former Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel, are on one for years.

It?s a business practice that is directly related to the two hottest burning stories of this CFL off-season: the potential signing of Manziel with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and the possible holdout of Toronto Argonauts running back James Wilder Jr.

Neither player is happy about how little teams pay those on CFL rookie contracts, which they can do only because there are never bidding wars. Each player arrives in Canada with the same amount of leverage ? none.

The negotiation list requires that once a player says he wants to come to the CFL, a team has 10 days to offer him the minimum contract of two years at $53,000 per season. By doing so, the team retains his rights for another calendar year, prompting Erik Burkhardt, agent for Manziel, to call the system ?archaic and restrictive.?

When a team finds a player it thinks it wants to sign, it can simply add him to its negotiation list and instantly do away with any bargaining power that player might have had as a free agent.

?I?ve had guys who?ve gone up there with seven or eight years? NFL experience and if the GM of the team chooses not to give you a better contract than the minimum, you?re screwed. You have no choice,? said California-based player agent Bardia Ghahremani. ?And the bad part is if you have a team that doesn?t want to deal with you they can just sit on you by offering you the minimum.?

The reason agents hate the negotiation list is the same reason most CFL general managers love it. It essentially allows teams to offer near-minimum contracts to incoming players, who then have a choice to either take it or leave it.

?From a salary cap management standpoint, you have to pencil in certain players at certain price ranges and part of that is your neg list guys,? said Winnipeg general manager Kyle Walters. ?That ensures some cost control from a cap management system. Right or wrong, these players on your list have to come to you. You control their rights, which means you control what they make. If a player is not on a neg list and he?s really good and all nine teams think he?s really good, it becomes a free-agent bidding war.?

Those bidding wars are exactly what the CFL manages to avoid.

Had Wilder been a free agent when he came to the league, he might have been able to command more than the $56,000 he says he is making. If Manziel were a free agent, there could be multiple suitors and a potential bidding war for his services that would establish his true value.

Many teams, however, see the negotiation list not just as a mechanism to keep salaries low, but also the reward for good scouting.

?You put a lot of work in scouting, be that in person or on film, and if you?re doing that homework and nobody else is then you should have the right to that guy,? said Ottawa general manager Marcel Desjardins. ?That?s a tangible reward for putting in all of that work. It still helps you keep your costs down because you can offer a guy X or you won?t play here.?

Ironically, one of the people who believes Wilder should have been allowed to sell his services to the CFL?s highest bidder upon his arrival is Toronto Argonauts general manager Jim Popp, who believes the negotiation list should be abolished.

Popp argues that allowing teams to protect the rights to 405 players, a large percentage of them quarterbacks, means that many potentially great players aren?t being recruited to join the league until the team that owns their rights wants them.

?I?ve never been a fan of the neg list,? said Popp. ?There?s no reason for the neg list ? it?s creating more problems than it helps. We have a salary cap that is supposed to be [controlling salaries]. What the neg list has always done is kept players from coming to the CFL.


?It?s a mystery to fans and agents and it?s the number one deterrent to playing in our league ? How do you make this league better? One way is to have as many guys capable of coming to our league as possible. When a team needs a quarterback and each team occupies 10 or more quarterbacks on their neg list, that?s 80 quarterbacks not available to them.?

Popp alleges tampering with negotiation lists is common as teams try to find ways to a help a player get free of a particular team?s list so he can be signed by them. Other stories involve teams working out or scouting players, only to learn they were spied on and beaten to the punch when it came to adding them to the negotiation list.

?It screws us when I?ve got 60 dudes at a workout and somebody is watching and they see who I talk to after,? said Saskatchewan head coach and general manager Chris Jones. ?And then inexplicably, all of a sudden, this dude that worked out for me is on the neg list for somebody else. It goes on.?

Teams have to be cautious about expressing interest in a player in any circumstance, for fear it flags another team they?re on to a quality prospect.

?There?s times where people will do it just to screw the other team,? said Edmonton GM Brock Sunderland. ?So if you hear a guy is on a flight to Montreal, [another team] could neg list him and they can?t sign him. My point is, if you already have a guy on the neg list, they can?t do that. You protect that guy and you know you?re getting him.?

But the strangest thing about the negotiation list is the fact that its contents are kept secret, although leaks are becoming more and more common.

Still, it raises questions about why the CFL would want to keep something that might stimulate discussion among its fans under wraps. Why aren?t fans allowed to know or see who might be in the pipeline of their favourite team?

(The CFL recently voted for each team to release 10 names from its negotiation list twice a year, in February and December, beginning next month.)

Well, it seems the teams don?t actually want players or their agents to know they?re on their negotiation list for fear they?ll activate the clause that requires the player to be offered a contract within 10 days.

?This happened to us twice last season ? we have quarterbacks on that we like, but third week of the season you?re not going to come up and learn our offence and be productive,? said Sunderland. ?It forces your hand when the agents know about it.?

Secret lists, spying tactics and trying to keep players from even knowing that a team has their exclusive rights.

Call it Canadian football?s business-side version of the rouge."


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2019, 10:28:38 PM
We can agree to disagree in regards to my opinion on Nichols, but I feel that the majority would be on my side if polled...  as far as what Walters has done, agreed, I never said that there wasn't a culture within the Bombers organization that players seem to enjoy and enjoy playing for Winnipeg, nor am I saying that there are bad relationships currently with player agents and or the players themselves. What I am saying, is that I believe that agents are steering their receiver clients to other destinations before shopping them to us due to our QB, scheme, and receiver opportunity to showcase their talents.

Also, I'm not saying that agents are trying to get their receiver clients, or any other player they represent, added to any team's negotiation list. There is a reason why it, the negotiation list, is held in secrecy, it benefits only the organization and basically removes a players choice to shop his services, receive fair market valve for his services, or decide to play for the organization of their choice.  Once a team places them on their list it's either accept that team's offer, for the most part 2 years at league minimum, or sit for a year and not play. So yes, in some cases it is as simple as that. Additionally, the list can be used to 'park' a player that the team that put them on their list may not have an immediate need for said player but keep that player for signing with any other team. Again, there is a very specific reason why it's kept in secrecy from fans, players, and player agents, not other teams though, the league send updates to each team's negotiation list to EVERY team, daily...

The list is used to manage SMS money, that is the primary reason why it exist in my opinion. It keeps players that are eligible to be added to that list from accepting offers from other teams, essentially requiring the player in question to accept that minimum offer or not play for a year. I doubt that any player is told specifically that they have been added to the team's list, or is told, unless a deal such as the one with Manziel comes to light, unless absolutely necessary...

but at the end of the day, you tell me, if you were a receiver, would you rather have BLM or Mike Reilly throwing to you or Matt Nichols...

again, not trying to convince you, just offering the members here an alternate perspective to consider, nothing more... But I'll leave you with this, if organizations aren't hiding something, why is it they won't share the entire list with fans, players, and agents, yet, is willing, and does, share it with their competition?  food for thought...

The Bombers scored the most points in the CFL in 2018. I'd think veteran receivers would jump at that chance to play for them. Dressler and Demski did.  Most rookie receivers probably have no idea who Reilly or BLM are and are just looking for an opportunity to play. Those that find success in the CFL don't change teams often unless a big bag of money is opened up.

This is a scouting issue. PERIOD.

Feel free to start a poll about Nichols. Fans know finding a QB like Reilly or BLM is not easy.

2016 WSF: 31 pts 390 yards 2 TD's 0 ints
2017 WSF 32 pts 371 yards 3 TD's 0 ints

Those are both winning performances by an offense. Losses by the defense IMO

2018 WSF 23 pts 169 yards 1 TD 0 ints and a victory
2018 WDF 14 pts 156 yards o TD's and 0 ints

Granted 2018 was not his best year or playoff performance but the WDF was within reach of winning against the ultimate GC champs.


BTW. The Bombers have only found ( rookies ) 2 DB's ( Alexander and Sayles ) in the past 4 years. 1 DL in Jeffcoat and 1 LB in JSK that have made a significant impact in 3 years.

Same problem as receivers. Who are you going to say is responsible for that?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 06, 2019, 11:44:28 PM
Honestly? I don't have a problem with the talent on our team, as a collective... while we may not have the best players at every position, as a group I think we fielded the best team last year and I'd be more than happy to go into 2019 with the same exact group... not to say I wouldn't change a few things, such as extend our passing game some with more 10 to 20 yard passes and play Streveler more... that's it...

as a group, we scored more offensive points than anyone else... as a defense, we allowed the second fewest points for the year... had the best turn over ratio for the year as well as scored the most points off turn overs for the year...

where we fail, in my opinion, is that Nichols threw 254 passes at targets that were 0 to 9 yards from the line of scrimmage, 76 that were 10 to 19 yards from the line, and only 62 there were 20+, of which he completed on 32% of, 7th in the league... I'm ok with the the 20+ yard attempts, just want to see more of them completed, but I would like to see the 0-9 yards ones go down and the 10-19 yards ones go up...  I'm tired of seeing 2nd down and 7 with a 2 or 3 yard pass... too many 2 and outs last year... especially when we also led the league in average starting field position...

by doing so we open up the defense some which will benefit our running game as well... which never hurts... but we lack the ability to 'come from behind' now as we are playing too short of a game and we're too predictable... for example in 2018:

when leading in the 1st quarter or 2nd quarter we were 9-4, leading in the 3rd quarter we were 10-3...
when trailing in the 1st, 1-4... 2nd, 1-5... 3rd, 0-5... last year we weren't coming back if down...

as far as QB's go, if were not going to start Strev, then I say we continue on with Nichols, but give Strev more opportunity... create a scheme that will give us more passing plays in that 10-20 yard range and roll... we got to get the opposing team's defense out of the box...

I have no problem with the talent we have or found...  I don't think our scouts are a problem... if we're not going to throw the ball deep, why do we need a deep threat receiver?  Adams is more than capable...



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on January 07, 2019, 01:02:16 AM
Duke Williams signed with the Bills as per Farhan.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 07, 2019, 03:44:47 AM
and before you tell me that I'm not capable of understanding the complexity of the CFL Negotiation List, here is an article that I found while researching the topic that I used to help form my opinion...  found it on TSN's site, here's a link if you would like to verfiy: https://www.tsn.ca/the-enduring-mystery-of-cfl-negotiation-lists-1.981621 (https://www.tsn.ca/the-enduring-mystery-of-cfl-negotiation-lists-1.981621)

"It?s the Canadian Football League?s most mysterious element. Shrouded in darkness and whispers, the nature of its use and the tricks of the trade that go with it are closely guarded secrets.

It?s called the negotiation list, a ledger each of the CFL?s nine teams has of up to 45 players whose rights are owned by the franchise. Some of the players are still in college, some are in the NFL and some are just working out, waiting for the phone to ring.


Some players sit on a ?neg list,? as it?s often called, for weeks. Others, such as former Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel, are on one for years.

It?s a business practice that is directly related to the two hottest burning stories of this CFL off-season: the potential signing of Manziel with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and the possible holdout of Toronto Argonauts running back James Wilder Jr.

Neither player is happy about how little teams pay those on CFL rookie contracts, which they can do only because there are never bidding wars. Each player arrives in Canada with the same amount of leverage ? none.

The negotiation list requires that once a player says he wants to come to the CFL, a team has 10 days to offer him the minimum contract of two years at $53,000 per season. By doing so, the team retains his rights for another calendar year, prompting Erik Burkhardt, agent for Manziel, to call the system ?archaic and restrictive.?

When a team finds a player it thinks it wants to sign, it can simply add him to its negotiation list and instantly do away with any bargaining power that player might have had as a free agent.

?I?ve had guys who?ve gone up there with seven or eight years? NFL experience and if the GM of the team chooses not to give you a better contract than the minimum, you?re screwed. You have no choice,? said California-based player agent Bardia Ghahremani. ?And the bad part is if you have a team that doesn?t want to deal with you they can just sit on you by offering you the minimum.?

The reason agents hate the negotiation list is the same reason most CFL general managers love it. It essentially allows teams to offer near-minimum contracts to incoming players, who then have a choice to either take it or leave it.

?From a salary cap management standpoint, you have to pencil in certain players at certain price ranges and part of that is your neg list guys,? said Winnipeg general manager Kyle Walters. ?That ensures some cost control from a cap management system. Right or wrong, these players on your list have to come to you. You control their rights, which means you control what they make. If a player is not on a neg list and he?s really good and all nine teams think he?s really good, it becomes a free-agent bidding war.?

Those bidding wars are exactly what the CFL manages to avoid.

Had Wilder been a free agent when he came to the league, he might have been able to command more than the $56,000 he says he is making. If Manziel were a free agent, there could be multiple suitors and a potential bidding war for his services that would establish his true value.

Many teams, however, see the negotiation list not just as a mechanism to keep salaries low, but also the reward for good scouting.

?You put a lot of work in scouting, be that in person or on film, and if you?re doing that homework and nobody else is then you should have the right to that guy,? said Ottawa general manager Marcel Desjardins. ?That?s a tangible reward for putting in all of that work. It still helps you keep your costs down because you can offer a guy X or you won?t play here.?

Ironically, one of the people who believes Wilder should have been allowed to sell his services to the CFL?s highest bidder upon his arrival is Toronto Argonauts general manager Jim Popp, who believes the negotiation list should be abolished.

Popp argues that allowing teams to protect the rights to 405 players, a large percentage of them quarterbacks, means that many potentially great players aren?t being recruited to join the league until the team that owns their rights wants them.

?I?ve never been a fan of the neg list,? said Popp. ?There?s no reason for the neg list ? it?s creating more problems than it helps. We have a salary cap that is supposed to be [controlling salaries]. What the neg list has always done is kept players from coming to the CFL.


?It?s a mystery to fans and agents and it?s the number one deterrent to playing in our league ? How do you make this league better? One way is to have as many guys capable of coming to our league as possible. When a team needs a quarterback and each team occupies 10 or more quarterbacks on their neg list, that?s 80 quarterbacks not available to them.?

Popp alleges tampering with negotiation lists is common as teams try to find ways to a help a player get free of a particular team?s list so he can be signed by them. Other stories involve teams working out or scouting players, only to learn they were spied on and beaten to the punch when it came to adding them to the negotiation list.

?It screws us when I?ve got 60 dudes at a workout and somebody is watching and they see who I talk to after,? said Saskatchewan head coach and general manager Chris Jones. ?And then inexplicably, all of a sudden, this dude that worked out for me is on the neg list for somebody else. It goes on.?

Teams have to be cautious about expressing interest in a player in any circumstance, for fear it flags another team they?re on to a quality prospect.

?There?s times where people will do it just to screw the other team,? said Edmonton GM Brock Sunderland. ?So if you hear a guy is on a flight to Montreal, [another team] could neg list him and they can?t sign him. My point is, if you already have a guy on the neg list, they can?t do that. You protect that guy and you know you?re getting him.?

But the strangest thing about the negotiation list is the fact that its contents are kept secret, although leaks are becoming more and more common.

Still, it raises questions about why the CFL would want to keep something that might stimulate discussion among its fans under wraps. Why aren?t fans allowed to know or see who might be in the pipeline of their favourite team?

(The CFL recently voted for each team to release 10 names from its negotiation list twice a year, in February and December, beginning next month.)

Well, it seems the teams don?t actually want players or their agents to know they?re on their negotiation list for fear they?ll activate the clause that requires the player to be offered a contract within 10 days.

?This happened to us twice last season ? we have quarterbacks on that we like, but third week of the season you?re not going to come up and learn our offence and be productive,? said Sunderland. ?It forces your hand when the agents know about it.?

Secret lists, spying tactics and trying to keep players from even knowing that a team has their exclusive rights.

Call it Canadian football?s business-side version of the rouge."


CFL REVEALS LIST OF 10 NEGOTIATION LIST PLAYERS FOR EACH TEAM

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/12/12/cfl-reveals-list-10-negotiation-list-players-team-2/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 07, 2019, 01:46:07 PM
K Justin Medlock re-signs with the Bombers through 2020.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on January 07, 2019, 05:11:56 PM
Alex Singleton was released bgy the Stampeders today (Jan. 7th) to pursue NFL opportunities.

Stamps and other teams will be very much different next season!

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/01/07/stamps-release-singleton-pursue-nfl-opportunity/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 07, 2019, 06:58:20 PM
Alex Singleton was released bgy the Stampeders today (Jan. 7th) to pursue NFL opportunities.

Stamps and other teams will be very much different next season!

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/01/07/stamps-release-singleton-pursue-nfl-opportunity/

Not unexpected. Stamps are taking a beating with top players getting NFL opportunities.

This NOW creates a team that will have interest in Bighill to compete with our interest in retaining his services.

Not happy about that but still think we have the edge


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on January 07, 2019, 07:17:27 PM
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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on January 07, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
Singleton to sign with the Eagles

https://www.tsn.ca/ex-stamps-lb-singleton-to-sign-with-eagles-1.1237503

Does this make Bighill more in demand and up his contract offers?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Norm W on January 07, 2019, 08:12:16 PM
His bargaining power is growing exponentially...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 07, 2019, 08:12:50 PM
So, Jones gets an extension, I wonder how much of a pay cut he took... or id hr taking a raise based on the money saved when Murphy left?   It would be hilarious if Jones gets a raise after everyone else takes a cut, or worse, gets cut.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 07, 2019, 09:08:35 PM
So, Jones gets an extension, I wonder how much of a pay cut he took... or id hr taking a raise based on the money saved when Murphy left?   It would be hilarious if Jones gets a raise after everyone else takes a cut, or worse, gets cut.

As per Arash Madani, the contract extends him through 202, but has a NFL/NCAA exit clause... 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 07, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Probably means he's saying this year for sure. Thought he might parlay all the NFL signings Jones does with an NFL/NCAA shot. Hard to break into those leagues as a coach if you have no experience coaching in them already, I guess.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 07, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
Singleton to sign with the Eagles

https://www.tsn.ca/ex-stamps-lb-singleton-to-sign-with-eagles-1.1237503

Does this make Bighill more in demand and up his contract offers?

Yes and no. Bighill is going to get paid what he's worth and competition from money offered shouldn't be substantially different. What is different is the option choice he has about where he goes.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on January 07, 2019, 10:02:47 PM
Yes and no. Bighill is going to get paid what he's worth and competition from money offered shouldn't be substantially different. What is different is the option choice he has about where he goes.

JSK's value probably benefitted more from Singleton leaving than Bighill.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 07, 2019, 11:03:34 PM
JSK's value probably benefitted more from Singleton leaving than Bighill.

How so?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 08, 2019, 12:03:57 AM
How so?

Supply and demand, I would say...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Tehedra on January 08, 2019, 04:51:48 AM
Yup there will be more looking for a player to play that position instantly puts up the value of all those players


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 08, 2019, 01:22:03 PM
Bombers re-sign NAT DT Jake Thomas for 2019.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 08, 2019, 01:34:38 PM
Bombers re-sign NAT DT Jake Thomas for 2019.

He must have exhausted all his NFL options again... ;)


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 08, 2019, 02:24:30 PM
Yup there will be more looking for a player to play that position instantly puts up the value of all those players

JSK is  an excellent WIL. He's not a proven MLB. There are potentially a bunch of good veteran MLB's that may also reach reach free agency as well as some good WIL's.

While those MLB's aren't named Bighill or Singleton there may be some talent available. I'm not even sure JSK will be near the top of the list at WIL although he may get some additional offers.

That said, I don't think Singleton going to the NFL really changes his options much or increases his CFL value excessively.

Whether JSK gets an NFL offer is another matter.

Jeff Knox, Bear Woods, J. Davis, Davis, L. Dean, S. Lawrence and B. Lokombo are on the potential list of candidates.

I'd like to see both Bighill and JSK back but that may beyond our control. The positions will be filled and that may mean CFL free agents or CFL rookies.

We'll see how all of this works out. I'd love to see Lawrence and / or Lokombo as Bombers if we lose our players. Lokombo as a National would assist our ratio situation on defense as well.

As we know many potential free agents will re-sign with their existing teams.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 08, 2019, 03:35:29 PM
JSK is  an excellent WIL. He's not a proven MLB. There are potentially a bunch of good veteran MLB's that may also reach reach free agency as well as some good WIL's.

While those MLB's aren't named Bighill or Singleton there may be some talent available. I'm not even sure JSK will be near the top of the list at WIL although he may get some additional offers.

That said, I don't think Singleton going to the NFL really changes his options much or increases his CFL value excessively.

Whether JSK gets an NFL offer is another matter.

Jeff Knox, Bear Woods, J. Davis, Davis, L. Dean, S. Lawrence and B. Lokombo are on the potential list of candidates.

I'd like to see both Bighill and JSK back but that may beyond our control. The positions will be filled and that may mean CFL free agents or CFL rookies.

We'll see how all of this works out. I'd love to see Lawrence and / or Lokombo as Bombers if we lose our players. Lokombo as a National would assist our ratio situation on defense as well.

As we know many potential free agents will re-sign with their existing teams.

Lokombo will be someone Hervey definitely needs to re-sign, Huff will be in the mix too for ratio continuity.  Lawrence, I don't think his "style" fits with this team.  Woods is a walking bandaid.  The rest are serviceable, not sure if they are ahead of JSK at MLB, or if we can't recruit as good.  Jeff Knox is interesting, and if we could re-sign JSK, then we'd have a "Hard Knox" D


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 08, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
Not sure why people here think that there would be massive demand for JSK at MLBer. He hasn't played there and he may be great, but he may also average. He is an excellent WIL though...but he has proven nothing at MLB.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 08, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
Lokombo will be someone Hervey definitely needs to re-sign, Huff will be in the mix too for ratio continuity.  Lawrence, I don't think his "style" fits with this team.  Woods is a walking bandaid.  The rest are serviceable, not sure if they are ahead of JSK at MLB, or if we can't recruit as good.  Jeff Knox is interesting, and if we could re-sign JSK, then we'd have a "Hard Knox" D


Calgary has not tended to be a big player in free agency but that can always change. However as others have previously suggested that Elimimian could be traded if the Lions choose to add Bighill.

That now opens up the possibility of either Calgary or Winnipeg being trade partners. That said, talent aside, I don't see the Lions wanting to trade within the division. Mo would be an expensive SMS hit ( possibly more than Bighill ) and what would any team have to give up in trade.

Still of the view both Mo and Bighill doesn't make sense.

If Lokombo doesn't get another NFL shot I'm guessing he's on several teams list. Talent plus ratio benefit.

I'm not sure Lawrence style doesn't fit with the team but it could be a factor.

I agree Woods has had some serious injuries but that can be part of a contract agreement against games played. When healthy he's a very good LB and teams will have interest in him.

I know several posters think JSK could be a very good MLB and that's very possible. If we re-sign him but lose Bighill then he could very well be the 1st team MLB going into TC. Easier to find a new WIL than a MLB IMO.

In any case Lokombo would be high on my list for many reasons even if we re-sign Bighill and JSK.

I'd see him at worst as an improvement in depth, rotation, defensive set options and would eliminate as much need for an import LB as a DI. He's also very very good on ST's as well.

Of course more money for Bighill and JSK ( if that happens ) makes this largely improbable from an SMS point of view.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 08, 2019, 03:54:46 PM
Not sure why people here think that there would be massive demand for JSK at MLBer. He hasn't played there and he may be great, but he may also average. He is an excellent WIL though...but he has proven nothing at MLB.

All that's true. At least in Winnipeg he's familiar with our systems and is one of the team leaders. Moving to another team is not always as easy a jump. So in that sense I could see him as a possible candidate here is we do lose Bighill.

Free agency is such a moving target with so many possibilities until more of the dust settles.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 08, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
No announcement yet so I take it Ian Wild has not made up his mind to retire so he's still a factor, if he wants to come back I'm guessing O'Shea will take him. If Bighill ends up elsewhere he's going to be a hard act to follow so expect a downgrade, I'd go after Lokombo hot and heavy first for ratio value if that was the case. If they lose JSK to the NFL (which I doubt) he'd be much easier to replace but my first choice would be All-Star Mr. Anywhere, Don Unamba!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on January 08, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
Eskimos WR Mitchell signs with Cardinals.

Edmonton could be a hot mess next year.

https://www.tsn.ca/eskimos-wr-mitchell-signs-with-cardinals-1.1238070


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 08, 2019, 05:09:29 PM
No announcement yet so I take it Ian Wild has not made up his mind to retire so he's still a factor, if he wants to come back I'm guessing O'Shea will take him. If Bighill ends up elsewhere he's going to be a hard act to follow so expect a downgrade, I'd go after Lokombo hot and heavy first for ratio value if that was the case. If they lose JSK to the NFL (which I doubt) he'd be much easier to replace but my first choice would be All-Star Mr. Anywhere, Don Unamba!

I'm not sure Wild will be back whether we lose Bighill and / or JSK or not. I'm not a big fan of Wilson yet but I'm guessing as a DI he may have moved past Wild and possible higher SMS issues. He's also a potential free agent so others like Unamba come into play.

That's just another reason why Lokombo could be so valuable to the Bombers.

Wild, Wilson, Gauthier, Renaud and Plesius are all potential free agents. All are either DI's and / or ST players.

Not sure which of those players will cost how much individually or cumulatively ( if we want them back ). I would like Gauthier back. OTOH, Lokombo could start, play ST's or be rotated into different defensive sets even as the back up.

This could eliminate the need for a few of our potential free agents on the depth chart game day and improve our ratio options. What is the cumulative costs at LB as far as depth if you eliminate Wild and one of the other National back ups?

Who signs where 1st goes a long way in determining the next in line choice.

EDIT: Fenner is not a potential free agent but he seemed to be more a back up at SAM than at DB. He's probably making a pretty good salary. He's a very good player on ST's and I'm happy to have him.

Just wondering if he becomes expendable if we have to spend more money on Bighill, JSK and / or someone like Lokombo in the mix.





Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 08, 2019, 08:00:08 PM
IIRC JSK was supposed to be the MLB before we signed Bighill. Either way we have to sign JSK. Bighill or possibly both. If we lose both of them IMO we're doomed.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_or_die on January 08, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
IIRC JSK was supposed to be the MLB before we signed Bighill. Either way we have to sign JSK. Bighill or possibly both. If we lose both of them IMO we're doomed.

I don't think it's "possibly" both. It needs to be both.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 08, 2019, 08:30:41 PM
I don't think it's "possibly" both. It needs to be both.
Well yes I'm hopeful for both but Bighill has to be the higher priority.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 08, 2019, 08:34:00 PM
IIRC JSK was supposed to be the MLB before we signed Bighill. Either way we have to sign JSK. Bighill or possibly both. If we lose both of them IMO we're doomed.

Possibly but that's because we didn't know who else in TC might turn out to be a better candidate. It was more or less a decision by default. Whether he would have done well is not known.

Keep in mind that in 2017 we pretty much pre-determined that Hurl was going to start at MLB.

JSK might turn out to be a great MLB but it's not a certainty either. Who was the last very good MLB the Bombers recruited ( rookie )? Ryland Wickman comes to mind??

Still comes down to recruitment doesn't it?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jets on January 09, 2019, 03:39:13 AM
Possibly but that's because we didn't know who else in TC might turn out to be a better candidate. It was more or less a decision by default. Whether he would have done well is not known.

Keep in mind that in 2017 we pretty much pre-determined that Hurl was going to start at MLB.

JSK might turn out to be a great MLB but it's not a certainty either. Who was the last very good MLB the Bombers recruited ( rookie )? Ryland Wickman comes to mind??

Still comes down to recruitment doesn't it?

Joe Lobendahn was pretty good before he got injured.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 09, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
Joe Lobendahn was pretty good before he got injured.

Forgot about him but he only played 39 games 2009-2011 in Wpg before finishing a couple of seasons in Regina. Before the current management regime.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 09, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
Only way we lose JSK is if he bolts to NFL...IF he gets no offers then he will be back here...guaranteed. Biggie has to be priority one though this off-season and I am sure Oshea and Walters will do whatever it takes to make it happen. Fenner is a wild card guy for us this year...was touted as arguably the best SAM in 2017...toss up between him and Leggett so not sure why it was hard for him to take that spot back after he got hurt..maybe he was knicked all year and to keep him relatively healthy they used Gaitor there.

He very well could be our SAM this year, or elsewhere in the secondary...he would be a great safety and I would love to add Lokombo to the mix and if it is at the expense of say a Loffler, well I am fine with that.

I'm more concerned with getting Jeffcoat back too to be honest, especially if Opo becomes a cao casualty...would not want to go into 2019 with only Roh as a holdover from the D-line at end


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 09, 2019, 06:26:00 PM
Only way we lose JSK is if he bolts to NFL...IF he gets no offers then he will be back here...guaranteed. Biggie has to be priority one though this off-season and I am sure Oshea and Walters will do whatever it takes to make it happen. Fenner is a wild card guy for us this year...was touted as arguably the best SAM in 2017...toss up between him and Leggett so not sure why it was hard for him to take that spot back after he got hurt..maybe he was knicked all year and to keep him relatively healthy they used Gaitor there.

He very well could be our SAM this year, or elsewhere in the secondary...he would be a great safety and I would love to add Lokombo to the mix and if it is at the expense of say a Loffler, well I am fine with that.

I'm more concerned with getting Jeffcoat back too to be honest, especially if Opo becomes a cao casualty...would not want to go into 2019 with only Roh as a holdover from the D-line at end

Hmmmm. Getting Lokombo probably means we didn't get back JSK. So also losing Loffler as a result may be an overall net loss rather than a gain.

Depends on Fenner as has been mentioned a few times. If he ends ups starting somewhere then that might work and sustain the ratio aspect as well. Only if we get Lokombo.

All that said only having one National starter is limiting. In a perfect world we gain another National starter. Not sure how much he makes or how much JSK might be looking for if he remains in the CFL.

Would be more than happy to get JSK back. Just not sure what our ratio issues might be this year.

Agree on Jeffcoat. He's a keeper. Haven't heard anything about any Bomber players actually getting tryouts but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen yet.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 09, 2019, 07:41:39 PM
Hmmmm. Getting Lokombo probably means we didn't get back JSK. So also losing Loffler as a result may be an overall net loss rather than a gain.

Depends on Fenner as has been mentioned a few times. If he ends ups starting somewhere then that might work and sustain the ratio aspect as well. Only if we get Lokombo.

All that said only having one National starter is limiting. In a perfect world we gain another National starter. Not sure how much he makes or how much JSK might be looking for if he remains in the CFL.

Would be more than happy to get JSK back. Just not sure what our ratio issues might be this year.

Agree on Jeffcoat. He's a keeper. Haven't heard anything about any Bomber players actually getting tryouts but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen yet.

Coming off his rookie contract I think it's fair to predict that JSK's salary will at least double.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 09, 2019, 07:49:06 PM
Hmmmm. Getting Lokombo probably means we didn't get back JSK. So also losing Loffler as a result may be an overall net loss rather than a gain.

Depends on Fenner as has been mentioned a few times. If he ends ups starting somewhere then that might work and sustain the ratio aspect as well. Only if we get Lokombo.

All that said only having one National starter is limiting. In a perfect world we gain another National starter. Not sure how much he makes or how much JSK might be looking for if he remains in the CFL.

Would be more than happy to get JSK back. Just not sure what our ratio issues might be this year.

Agree on Jeffcoat. He's a keeper. Haven't heard anything about any Bomber players actually getting tryouts but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen yet.

Not really...in an ideal world I could see Lokombo replacing Loffler ratio and salary wise..bit more pricey than what Loffler would bring, but the likely departure of Opo's salary will offset bumps to JSK and what Lokombo would make over what Loffler could.

Fenner is making a reasonable 120k...so say 230 or so for Biggie..probably 120ish for JSK and probably in the 160's for Lokombo is a fairly reasonable 630k of your cap for some key linch pin members of your defense..


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 09, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
Not really...in an ideal world I could see Lokombo replacing Loffler ratio and salary wise..bit more pricey than what Loffler would bring, but the likely departure of Opo's salary will offset bumps to JSK and what Lokombo would make over what Loffler could.

Fenner is making a reasonable 120k...so say 230 or so for Biggie..probably 120ish for JSK and probably in the 160's for Lokombo is a fairly reasonable 630k of your cap for some key linch pin members of your defense..

It would still require Lokombo to start in place of JSK to sustain the ratio. That was my point over and above SMS issues.  I'm not opposed to the improvement to depth at LB and have suggested that earlier.

I also suggested with Lokombo we'd probably eliminate the current DI LB's, so would expect both Wild and Wilson to be gone. Some savings if Wild is not re-signed. Not much savings for Wilson.

In theory that would make JSK a DI. Does that make sense for him or us in how we spend the SMS. Can't really be sure at the moment.

Overall I'd probably be happier keeping Loffler and getting Lokombo. Letting Fenner go unless he's either starting at SAM, DB or CB.  Or some combination thereof with Gaitor pushed out into the secondary for example. Whichever is the best combination.  That might also mean not re-signing JSK.

All for improving depth but ratio and SMS all come into play. How the roster is put together etc.

WIL may be the only position on defense where we might have an opportunity to ADD a 2nd National starter.

That in turn might allow the addition of a DI returner / receiver depth player.






Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 09, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
It would still require Lokombo to start in place of JSK to sustain the ratio. That was my point over and above SMS issues.  I'm not opposed to the improvement to depth at LB and have suggested that earlier.

I also suggested with Lokombo we'd probably eliminate the current DI LB's, so would expect both Wild and Wilson to be gone.

In theory that would make JSK a DI. Does that make sense for him or us in how we spend the SMS. Can't really be sure at the moment.

Overall I'd probably be happier keeping Loffler and getting Lokombo. Letting Fenner go unless he's either starting at SAM, DB or CB.  Or some combination thereof with Gaitor pushed out into the secondary for example. Whichever is the best combination.  That might also mean not re-signing JSK.

All for improving depth but ratio and SMS all come into play.

Bighill is the keystone, all satellites revolve around signing him first.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 09, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
Bighill is the keystone, all satellites revolve around signing him first.

The most important defensive player but not the most important overall because of ratio. Either we keep Loffler or add another National on defense. Lokombo might be a choice. Can you suggest another National possibility if we lose Loffler?

Are any of Jones, Conteh, or our other National DB's able to step in with little drop off? Not IMO.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 10, 2019, 01:50:27 AM
The most important defensive player but not the most important overall because of ratio. Either we keep Loffler or add another National on defense. Lokombo might be a choice. Can you suggest another National possibility if we lose Loffler?

Are any of Jones, Conteh, or our other National DB's able to step in with little drop off? Not IMO.

Sure signing Lokombo would be nice but if they sign Bighill first I don't think they'll have the cash to go after Lokombo as well.  It also depends if they can retain JSK, if they do he is likely the default WIL alongside Bighill despite the ratio implications.  I would look at adding a Natl. starter to the D-line as a logical place to improve the ratio, there are a few out there but I'm not certain if any are F.A. this year, might have to trade.  My fear is Loffler leaving for the coast and O'shea focusing his gaze fondly upon Hecht.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2019, 03:11:12 AM
3 OL, RB, 2 WR...  leaves one NAT on D...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 10, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
Sure signing Lokombo would be nice but if they sign Bighill first I don't think they'll have the cash to go after Lokombo as well.  It also depends if they can retain JSK, if they do he is likely the default WIL alongside Bighill despite the ratio implications.  I would look at adding a Natl. starter to the D-line as a logical place to improve the ratio, there are a few out there but I'm not certain if any are F.A. this year, might have to trade.  My fear is Loffler leaving for the coast and O'shea focusing his gaze fondly upon Hecht.

There are lots of possibilities but the case has been made somewhat that it could be an either or for Loffler + JSK or Lokombo as the SMS and ratio balancing act.

It's going to depend on what happens 1st, both before and after day 1 of free agency.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on January 10, 2019, 03:54:53 PM
The most important defensive player but not the most important overall because of ratio. Either we keep Loffler or add another National on defense. Lokombo might be a choice. Can you suggest another National possibility if we lose Loffler?

Are any of Jones, Conteh, or our other National DB's able to step in with little drop off? Not IMO.



First and best option is to re-sign Loffler. If he prices himself out of the market, then Lokombo would be a good choice, although Lokombo will have options.

If neither are available, then we likely seek to balance the ratio on the d-line.  Guys like Boateng, Mrabe, possibly Corney as a starter, or Junior Turner are all available on the free agent market.   I don't see many NTL options at safety or in the secondary that i like. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 10, 2019, 04:58:49 PM
First and best option is to re-sign Loffler. If he prices himself out of the market, then Lokombo would be a good choice, although Lokombo will have options.

If neither are available, then we likely seek to balance the ratio on the d-line.  Guys like Boateng, Mrabe, possibly Corney as a starter, or Junior Turner are all available on the free agent market.   I don't see many NTL options at safety or in the secondary that i like. 

Boateng would be an excellent option on the DL. IIRC he's getting some NFL interest and he won't come cheap. I like Corney but he and the others mentioned aside from Boateng would be big drop offs IMO. Good depth but not full time starters.

Realistically I'm less concerned that Loffler pricing himself out of the market than the concern about going to the Lions.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
If Loffler goes to BC, then we can pretty much be guaranteed to get Bighill... at the end of the day, we should have at least one of them...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on January 10, 2019, 06:13:09 PM
If Loffler goes to BC, then we can pretty much be guaranteed to get Bighill... at the end of the day, we should have at least one of them...

Not quite following your logic.  There are eight other teams who may or may not be vying for either of their services, making decisions exclusive of all other teams, so if they both make it to FA (and to be honest, I don't see why they both wouldn't test the market), it's completely plausible that the Bombers could be outbid in parallel and lose both. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2019, 06:47:16 PM
Not quite following your logic.  There are eight other teams who may or may not be vying for either of their services, making decisions exclusive of all other teams, so if they both make it to FA (and to be honest, I don't see why they both wouldn't test the market), it's completely plausible that the Bombers could be outbid in parallel and lose both. 

Both have family ties to BC, and playing ties to us.  All things being equal, I think it would be down to us and BC. 

Now, Kavis in MTL might Westerman one of them but other than him, I think we can match any offer...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 11, 2019, 01:05:18 PM
The carter tweets are so, well, Carter like. I hope this idiot does not return to the league, EVER!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on January 13, 2019, 09:45:14 AM
Carter??? Where is he?
Playing in the Regina Touch Football league?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Horseman on January 14, 2019, 02:02:59 PM
Carter??? Where is he?
Playing in the Regina Touch Football league?

Well he should be playing in the "Stony Mountain Pen intermural touch football League". ;-)


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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BBRT on January 16, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
Just saw something on twitter that indicated that Edmonton Esks JC Sheritt has retired!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 16, 2019, 04:16:38 PM
Just saw something on twitter that indicated that Edmonton Esks JC Sheritt has retired!


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Wow, the Biggie signing just got even better...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 1chad on January 16, 2019, 04:43:05 PM
HOLY C**P!!!!!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on January 16, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
Just saw something on twitter that indicated that Edmonton Esks JC Sheritt has retired!
Wow. Great guy, great career. Bighill signing looking even more important. Edmonton could have been another suitor


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Post by: 1chad on January 16, 2019, 04:45:15 PM

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Wow, the Biggie signing just got even better...

Injuries catching up with him?  Wear and tear pretty high with his style of play.  Great player, great to watch though


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 16, 2019, 04:45:53 PM
The CFL is losing a ton of talent this off season.


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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 24, 2019, 06:24:31 PM
I was looking at the free agent tracker last night and I was really surprised at some of the WRs that have be out right releases already this year... names like Chris Matthews, Diontae Spencer, Bryant Mitchell, and Duke Williams, all of them I have in my top 15 of league WRs... I could see not signing them yet, because there are a lot of top WRs hitting free agency this year, but to already cut them... dang...  Duke had over 1500 yards this year, led the league


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 24, 2019, 06:46:41 PM
I was looking at the free agent tracker last night and I was really surprised at some of the WRs that have be out right releases already this year... names like Chris Matthews, Diontae Spencer, Bryant Mitchell, and Duke Williams, all of them I have in my top 15 of league WRs... I could see not signing them yet, because there are a lot of top WRs hitting free agency this year, but to already cut them... dang...  Duke had over 1500 yards this year, led the league

Duke, Matthews, Spencer, and Mitchell are all signed to NFL futures deals and that is why their respective teams released them.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 24, 2019, 08:40:00 PM
Duke, Matthews, Spencer, and Mitchell are all signed to NFL futures deals and that is why their respective teams released them.

thanks for the info, I knew it was being talked about but didn't know it was already a done deal... but that brings ups another deal then, if they weren't going to be free agents this year, now they've been released, so if they get cut by the NFL they will come back as a free agent... probably doesn't effect a lot of players given the trend for 1 year deals as of late though...

more or less just 'thinking out loud' there, lol... newbie catching up to the pack...  ;D


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 24, 2019, 09:11:28 PM
No they were to become free-agents in February..this just is a courtesy move to allow them to sign earlier...though if they get released from their NFL deals or cut in camp..they become free to sign with whomever


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 25, 2019, 04:14:36 PM
thanks for the info, I knew it was being talked about but didn't know it was already a done deal... but that brings ups another deal then, if they weren't going to be free agents this year, now they've been released, so if they get cut by the NFL they will come back as a free agent... probably doesn't effect a lot of players given the trend for 1 year deals as of late though...

more or less just 'thinking out loud' there, lol... newbie catching up to the pack...  ;D

In the CFL almost every team will release players on expiring deals prior to February if the have an NFL deal worked out in the hopes that the good faith shown might lead them back to them if the NFL doesn't work out.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 25, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
thanks for the info, I knew it was being talked about but didn't know it was already a done deal... but that brings ups another deal then, if they weren't going to be free agents this year, now they've been released, so if they get cut by the NFL they will come back as a free agent... probably doesn't effect a lot of players given the trend for 1 year deals as of late though...

more or less just 'thinking out loud' there, lol... newbie catching up to the pack...  ;D

The only CFL person released to pursue the NFL that was under contract for 2019 was Jordan Williams Lambert. He only gained his release because he grieved his contract terms with the CFL.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2019, 04:40:57 PM
Pretty sure all new contracts that are signed have the same NFL window now.  Multi-year or not, they can still tryout for NFL teams during the window.  And should they get offered a contract, the CFL teams will release them.    Not sure what Lambert's issue was, but going forward, it should be open season in the window...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on January 25, 2019, 04:55:47 PM
Pretty sure all new contracts that are signed have the same NFL window now.  Multi-year or not, they can still tryout for NFL teams during the window.  And should they get offered a contract, the CFL teams will release them.    Not sure what Lambert's issue was, but going forward, it should be open season in the window...

Yes going forward. He asked about specific players initially.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on January 25, 2019, 05:19:14 PM
The only CFL person released to pursue the NFL that was under contract for 2019 was Jordan Williams Lambert. He only gained his release because he grieved his contract terms with the CFL.
most likely as he was sick of Regina and the circus it is becoming...maybe he seen it coming haha


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 25, 2019, 06:11:54 PM
Duron Carter said he would retire if the new CBA isn't signed before free agency. What a goof.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on January 25, 2019, 08:04:15 PM
Duron Carter said he would retire if the new CBA isn't signed before free agency. What a goof.
Well I guess that he's retiring because they're not even negotiating until March.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on January 25, 2019, 08:41:12 PM
Well I guess that he's retiring because they're not even negotiating until March.

lol. Yeah I know which is why he's even more of a nut job. He's a potential free agent and his options were marginal anyway to retain any sort of big salary.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2019, 10:03:11 PM
Chris Randle signs in Ottawa, 1 year deal...  good for him, best of luck (except when playing us ;) )


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 66 Chevelle on January 26, 2019, 12:00:23 AM
Well I guess that he's retiring because they're not even negotiating until March.

well there much not be much 'on the table' if both sides are willing to wait until March to even start talks... the disturbing part of this, they are withholding player contractually agreed upon bonus money until such time as an agreement is reached... how is that right?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 1chad on January 26, 2019, 09:27:50 PM
Brandon Banks resigns with the Ticats. 2 yr extension.


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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on January 29, 2019, 08:00:30 PM
So, lots of WR with no CFL experience signing lately, some with deep NFL time.

So, is it better to sign a guy with no NFL time, some NFL time or a lot of NFL time?  Is there a huge disparity in the cost of sighing them?   Is there a big disparity of talent / fit to the CFL?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on January 29, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
The Montreal Alouettes have parted ways with former first overall draft pick Faith Ekakitie and veteran Joe Burnett, the team announced on Monday.

Ekakitie missed the entire 2018 season with a torn Achilles. The defensive tackle signed with the Alouettes after his release from the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, who drafted him first overall in the 2017 CFL Draft.

The six-foot-one, 292-pounder played in 14 games in his rookie season with the Bombers and tallied five defensive tackles.

Burnett played just two games for the Alouettes in 2018. The defensive back tallied four defensive tackles and one interception.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Nic16 on January 30, 2019, 03:19:05 AM
Really too bad Ekakitie didn?t work out. He had a real good opportunity to work himself into a starter on the DL here.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on January 30, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/01/30/canadian-content-ranking-national-free-agents-2/

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2. SUKH CHUNGH

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With Matthias Goossen retired, Sukh Chungh becomes one of the top prizes in free agency. The former second overall pick turns just 27 in March and is in the prime of his career, helping anchor one of the CFL?s top O-lines in 2018. Chungh is regarded as one of the most aggressive and physical guards in the league.

3. TAYLOR LOFFLER

DB | WPG

With two of the top three nationals coming out of Winnipeg, Kyle Walters still has some work to do in the coming weeks. Almost all of the starting safeties in the CFL are pending free agency, but 26-year-old Taylor Loffler is at the top of his position. He has 185 tackles, eight interceptions and seven forced fumbles in three seasons.


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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on January 31, 2019, 02:21:07 PM
Brandon Banks resigns with the Ticats. 2 yr extension.

Brandon Banks got a big deposit from the Ticats bank.

Banks signed a two-year extension worth $182,500 in year one and $195,000 for the second season – all hard money. For signing on the dotted line, Banks secures an $80,000 bonus along with $82,500 base salary and $20,000 housing.

But the key part of the deal: the Ticats can release Banks without paying him a dime anytime prior to training camp in 2020. He’s due $50,000 for reporting and passing his physical in May, but if Banks was cut he wouldn’'t see that money or any of the $125,000 base salary or $20,000 in housing.

Banks was a 2018 CFL all-star finishing second in receptions (94) and yards (1,423) among all receivers and tied for first with 11 receiving touchdowns, elite receiving numbers. The “hard money” Banks is due to make puts him among the highest paid receivers in the league prior to the 2019 free agent market opening. Toronto Argo S.J. Green, B.C. Lion Manny Arceneaux, Edmonton Eskimo Derel Walker and Ottawa Redblack Greg Ellingson were in the $200,000 range or higher.

June Jones deserves a cut of Banks’ pay raise for moving him to receiver full-time, but either way “Speedy B” has assumed a place among the upper echelon pass catchers in the CFL.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on January 31, 2019, 06:09:09 PM
Riders lock up Canadian Safety Mike Edem, as he signs a two-year contract deal. He had a a career-high 61 tackles in 2018.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 01, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
Boateng off the table... didn't think we'd get a shot at him, but it would have been nice...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Nic16 on February 01, 2019, 06:48:20 PM
Boateng off the table... didn't think we'd get a shot at him, but it would have been nice...

Yup...Boateng re-signed by the Esks just a couple of hrs ago and Lauzon-Seguin re-signs with the RB?s.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 01, 2019, 07:41:29 PM
Kwaku Boateng signed a two-year extension through the 2020 season to remain with the Eskimos.

The 23-year-old went from making minimum salary on his first contract to national starter money on the new deal.

Boateng received a $50,000 signing bonus and $175,000 in ?hard money? for 2019 with $30,000 in 2020 for a $380,000 total plus incentives, per sources.

It?s potentially the largest jump in salary for a Canadian player who entered the league on an entry level deal.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Tehedra on February 01, 2019, 07:52:21 PM
Ridermani keep up the great posts, I love how you constantly have good extended information to add to the twitter posts about other signings. Thanks for your contributions!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 01, 2019, 07:54:01 PM
Kwaku Boateng signed a two-year extension through the 2020 season to remain with the Eskimos.

The 23-year-old went from making minimum salary on his first contract to national starter money on the new deal.

Boateng received a $50,000 signing bonus and $175,000 in ?hard money? for 2019 with $30,000 in 2020 for a $380,000 total plus incentives, per sources.

It?s potentially the largest jump in salary for a Canadian player who entered the league on an entry level deal.

So, a ratio changing DE gets $190k/yr.  I'm thinking that makes Loffler's ask a little high...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 01, 2019, 07:56:52 PM
considering thats closing in on ratio changing Harris money...whom offers wayyyy more bang for the buck


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Kwaku Boateng signed a two-year extension through the 2020 season to remain with the Eskimos.

The 23-year-old went from making minimum salary on his first contract to national starter money on the new deal.

Boateng received a $50,000 signing bonus and $175,000 in ?hard money? for 2019 with $30,000 in 2020 for a $380,000 total plus incentives, per sources.

It?s potentially the largest jump in salary for a Canadian player who entered the league on an entry level deal.


$225,000 for Banks now this, it's hard to understand why GM's are spending money like drunken sailors pushing market values up at a time of high uncertainty with a large percentage of their roster remaining unsigned F.A.'s.  Whatever happened to "proceed with caution"?  There is no guarantee that the next media deal the CFL signs will increase team revenues.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 01, 2019, 09:10:53 PM
Boateng off the table... didn't think we'd get a shot at him, but it would have been nice...
and to think we passed on him for Ekakitie, Conteh and Menard-Briere


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 01, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
eight other teams passed on him for 4 rounds as well...oh well....it happens..


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on February 01, 2019, 09:56:15 PM
Kwaku Boateng signed a two-year extension through the 2020 season to remain with the Eskimos.

The 23-year-old went from making minimum salary on his first contract to national starter money on the new deal.

Boateng received a $50,000 signing bonus and $175,000 in ?hard money? for 2019 with $30,000 in 2020 for a $380,000 total plus incentives, per sources.

It?s potentially the largest jump in salary for a Canadian player who entered the league on an entry level deal.
Ridiculous.  But that's great news....god help them trying to sign Reilly on top of this!!! Someone should introduce math to the GM, there's only so much money to go around


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 01, 2019, 10:15:34 PM
Ridiculous.  But that's great news....god help them trying to sign Reilly on top of this!!! Someone should introduce math to the GM, there's only so much money to go around

You do realize that Westerman got close to $50k more than that last year, for 29 tackles and 3 sacks...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Tehedra on February 01, 2019, 10:17:50 PM
Also at the end of the day; the SMS cap is the cap and it might be those players who wait to long just find that most teams have spent the cap and now they won't get the payouts they were expecting.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on February 01, 2019, 10:28:54 PM
You do realize that Westerman got close to $50k more than that last year, for 29 tackles and 3 sacks...
Then that's even more ridiculous!!! Kudos to Walters for being the shrewd dude, who made the tough call on not outbidding Montreal for his services. So between Westerman and Ernest Jackson, Kavis has to have the #1 and #2 biggest FA signing busts. Tons of dough tied up in 2 guys who are absolute stiff out there!!!

I have no problem paying guys for what they're worth.Harris makes a good buck, but earns every penny, every game. When some guys get the big contract, it almost hamstrings them and they just seem to fade to black overnight. Westerman had  a decent year with us--what did he have 11 sacks??, then goes to 3...yikes, that sucks big time....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2019, 10:36:30 PM
Kwaku Boateng signed a two-year extension through the 2020 season to remain with the Eskimos.

The 23-year-old went from making minimum salary on his first contract to national starter money on the new deal.

Boateng received a $50,000 signing bonus and $175,000 in ?hard money? for 2019 with $30,000 in 2020 for a $380,000 total plus incentives, per sources.

It?s potentially the largest jump in salary for a Canadian player who entered the league on an entry level deal.

WOW. That's quite a deal. I wouldn't have thought he'd get that much but he's a talented young player.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2019, 11:09:40 PM
You do realize that Westerman got close to $50k more than that last year, for 29 tackles and 3 sacks...

...and within weeks Kavis was going "uh oh, what has I done".  He was traded to Hamilton as part of the Manziel deal, so I imagine they're still paying him for the contract amount he signed with Kavis. 

Although getting up there in age Westerman is still a good player and always gives 100%.  I would not mind having him back at a reasonable price to help out with the ratio, he did nothing but good things wearing a Bomber uniform.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 02, 2019, 04:36:03 AM
eight other teams passed on him for 4 rounds as well...oh well....it happens..
I know, still hurts tho


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 02, 2019, 10:39:08 AM
...and within weeks Kavis was going "uh oh, what has I done".  He was traded to Hamilton as part of the Manziel deal, so I imagine they're still paying him for the contract amount he signed with Kavis. 

Although getting up there in age Westerman is still a good player and always gives 100%.  I would not mind having him back at a reasonable price to help out with the ratio, he did nothing but good things wearing a Bomber uniform.
no thanks I?ll take a pass. Dude was terrible at causing ill timed penalties.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2019, 05:33:19 PM
no thanks I?ll take a pass. Dude was terrible at causing ill timed penalties.

While you're not wrong, his contributions to the team far outweighed his infractions. Westerman was a stud here on the D-line.

A NAT version of Odell Willis, if you will.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 02, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
While you're not wrong, his contributions to the team far outweighed his infractions. Westerman was a stud here on the D-line.

A NAT version of Odell Willis, if you will.

Yeah I'd still consider re-signing him at the right SMS level. At worst he might just be the rotation DE eliminating the need for a DI at that spot.

We might still be losing several Canadian starters as well as depth. So talented replacements might be something we need to find in free agency.

Potentially we could lose 4 Canadian starters.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 03, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
Hearing from #CFL Sources, #Argos will name Jacques Chapdelaine Offensive Coordinator

Right now looks like Toronto?s coaching staff will be...
Cory Chamblin... HC/DC
Jacques Chapdelaine... OC
Wendell Avery... WRs
Dan Dorazio...Off. Line
Kevin Eiben... LBs
Cory McDiarmid... STC


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on February 04, 2019, 08:34:34 PM
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Stampeders sign LB Dwayne Norman https://www.cfl.ca/2019/02/04/stampeders-sign-lb-dwayne-norman/ ? via @CFL


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on February 05, 2019, 03:21:41 AM
CFL Headlines
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16m16 minutes ago

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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 05, 2019, 12:33:22 PM
Hearing from #CFL Sources, #Argos will name Jacques Chapdelaine Offensive Coordinator

Right now looks like Toronto?s coaching staff will be...
Cory Chamblin... HC/DC
Jacques Chapdelaine... OC
Wendell Avery... WRs
Dan Dorazio...Off. Line
Kevin Eiben... LBs
Cory McDiarmid... STC

Yikes...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on February 05, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
Just over 11 years after the Winnipeg Blue Bombers lost the 2007 Grey Cup to the Saskatchewan Roughriders, their backup quarterbacks have both become NFL head coaches.

Zac Taylor was just signed by the Cincinnati Bengals, less than a month after Kliff Kingsbury was hired by the Arizona Cardinals. Ed Tait, a sports writer who now works for the Bombers, pointed out on Twitter their connection to the Bombers.

Neither Taylor nor Kingsbury threw a pass in the CFL championship game, which Saskatchewan won 23-19 while Winnipeg deployed Ryan Dinwiddie at quarterback, because regular starter Kevin Glenn had a broken arm. Dinwiddie, it should be noted, is an assistant coach with the Calgary Stampeders; his name is starting to be mentioned as a head coaching candidate.

Taylor is now 35. Kingsbury is 39. Sean McVay, the youngest head coach in the NFL, just turned 33, and his success with the Los Angeles Rams has convinced NFL owners to seek young, offensive-minded head coaches. That philosophy isn?t likely to change, even after L.A.?s Super Bowl loss to the New England Patriots, who are coached by 66-year-old Bill Belichick.

dude, you really need to post the link when you copy and paste like this. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
Not sure what his post has to do with CFL signs. But three months ago the bombers walked into the toilet bowl and knocked the Riders out of the playoffs. No current or backup DB's will be coaching this year. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 05, 2019, 03:51:29 PM
RedBlacks sign DB Jonathan Rose to a one year extension.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 05, 2019, 04:54:57 PM
RedBlacks sign DB Jonathan Rose to a one year extension.

When is is suspension appeal due to be done?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 06, 2019, 02:59:03 PM
The Montreal Alouettes announced on Tuesday that the club has released national receiver Josh Stanford, who was set to become a free agent on February 12.

Stanford played in three games with the Als in 2018, hauling in two passes for nine yards. Before being traded to Montreal, the 24-year-old spent three seasons with the Saskatchewan Roughriders (2016-2018).

In 24 career games, Stanford has caught 23 passes for 252 yards.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 06, 2019, 04:08:14 PM
The Montreal Alouettes announced on Tuesday that the club has released national receiver Josh Stanford, who was set to become a free agent on February 12.

Stanford played in three games with the Als in 2018, hauling in two passes for nine yards. Before being traded to Montreal, the 24-year-old spent three seasons with the Saskatchewan Roughriders (2016-2018).

In 24 career games, Stanford has caught 23 passes for 252 yards.

I guess his career will likely be done now. Unless the Riders get desperate. Bagg isn't a spring chicken anymore.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 06, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
I guess his career will likely be done now. Unless the Riders get desperate. Bagg isn't a spring chicken anymore.
Bold of you to assume a 24 year old Canadian receivers career is over because he was given an extra week to find a new team


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 06, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
Jovon Johnson @Mr_Consistent_2
Man god is amazing got some incredible news today! Stay tuned! Just wow is all I can say! #2




Sounds like he got the call to coach in SSK...  don't think it could be anything else, can it? 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 06, 2019, 04:56:05 PM
Most likely new DB coach with Jason Shivers moving up to DC.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 06, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
recipe for disaster if you ask me...A first time NC...DC...positional coach, to go with an already questionable OC mind...thats a lot to put on a coaching staff


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 06, 2019, 06:02:40 PM
Bold of you to assume a 24 year old Canadian receivers career is over because he was given an extra week to find a new team

Nothing bold about it. A 4 year vet that has been cut from the two teams with the weakest NAT receiver depth in the league.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 06, 2019, 07:22:14 PM
He was actually traded from the Rider's wasn't he?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bluebeard on February 06, 2019, 07:52:03 PM
He was actually traded from the Rider's wasn't he?

Yes and Stanford did nothing with them for 3 years.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 06, 2019, 08:02:51 PM
Nothing bold about it. A 4 year vet that has been cut from the two teams with the weakest NAT receiver depth in the league.
Meh. Hes Canadian. He probably will bounce around more


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 06, 2019, 08:04:26 PM
He was actually traded from the Rider's wasn't he?

Prior to the 2018 CFL's trading deadline, the Roughriders acquired national offensive lineman Philip Blake and national receiver Patrick Lavoie from the Montreal Alouettes in exchange for national receiver Josh Stanford and Saskatchewan's second-round selection in the 2020 CFL draft.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 06, 2019, 08:48:57 PM
He was actually traded from the Rider's wasn't he?

Prior to the 2018 CFL's trading deadline, the Roughriders acquired national offensive lineman Philip Blake and national receiver Patrick Lavoie from the Montreal Alouettes in exchange for national receiver Josh Stanford and Saskatchewan's second-round selection in the 2020 CFL draft.

Lots of Nat rec's get third and fourth chances... JFG, Kohlert, Watson to name a few with Bombers connections..


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on February 08, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 08, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
He was actually traded from the Rider's wasn't he?


He was a throw in. Rode the PR for 90% of his time there.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 08, 2019, 05:29:28 PM
Lots of Nat rec's get third and fourth chances... JFG, Kohlert, Watson to name a few with Bombers connections..

JFG, Kohlert, and Watson have never received 3rd or 4th chances and only one of them got a 2nd chance.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 08, 2019, 05:35:12 PM
Meh. Hes Canadian. He probably will bounce around more

4 years of PR duty, played poorly when given some spot duty, and then released....I doubt it.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders
‏Verified account @sskroughriders

"Saskatchewan is a great place to be a coach and I can?t wait to get back to work.?

Your new DC: Jason Shivers. #RiderPride

I'm so interested to see how the Riders do this year. Hard to believe that the best available GM, HC, and DC were all already on staff.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2019, 05:44:51 PM
All together they make way less then Chris Jones did!!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 1chad on February 08, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
JFG, Kohlert, and Watson have never received 3rd or 4th chances and only one of them got a 2nd chance.

JFG played for Toronto, Winnipeg and now Ottawa = 3 chances
Kohlert played for Winnipeg and Calgary = 2 chances
Watson Played for Winnipeg, Edmonton and BC = 3 chances


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 08, 2019, 07:20:44 PM
All together they make way less then Chris Jones did!!!
smells of a hiring by default tho...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on February 08, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
JFG played for Toronto, Winnipeg and now Ottawa = 3 chances
Kohlert played for Winnipeg and Calgary = 2 chances
Watson Played for Winnipeg, Edmonton and BC = 3 chances

Different kind of chances though.  All these guys came into the league and won a roster spot. They may have played for multiple teams, but they played.

Stanford has been a practice roster warrior for the most part in his first two years, finally got into a decent amount of games for his third year and posted underwhelming numbers and was then traded away.  I don't know if he's finished or not, but he's on a short leash....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 08, 2019, 07:52:14 PM
JFG played for Toronto, Winnipeg and now Ottawa = 3 chances
Kohlert played for Winnipeg and Calgary = 2 chances
Watson Played for Winnipeg, Edmonton and BC = 3 chances

All 3 are/were productive players. JFG, for instance, moved because he was offered better money elsewhere. That's not really a "chance". Watson has played good ball every place he's been with the exception of the Riders. Kohlert has always been productive in every stop. None of these guys were working on getting 2nd chances, they were signed based on their body of work and were signed because they were deemed to be productive.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
Edmonton Eskimos have given at least one team, the B.C. Lions, permission to speak with prized pending free agent quarterback Mike Reilly ahead of the official opening of CFL free agency on Feb. 12, per sources.

https://3downnation.com/2019/02/08/eskimos-give-mike-reilly-permission-to-speak-with-lions-before-free-agency/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
Edmonton Eskimos have given at least one team, the B.C. Lions, permission to speak with prized pending free agent quarterback Mike Reilly ahead of the official opening of CFL free agency on Feb. 12, per sources.

https://3downnation.com/2019/02/08/eskimos-give-mike-reilly-permission-to-speak-with-lions-before-free-agency/

The Eskimos wouldn't do that unless they were pretty worried. That's a strong sign he's outta Edmonton, I'd say.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blueraid on February 08, 2019, 08:01:05 PM
Edmonton Eskimos have given at least one team, the B.C. Lions, permission to speak with prized pending free agent quarterback Mike Reilly ahead of the official opening of CFL free agency on Feb. 12, per sources.

https://3downnation.com/2019/02/08/eskimos-give-mike-reilly-permission-to-speak-with-lions-before-free-agency/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blueraid on February 08, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
 Quite ironic concerning Reilly ...I remember a few years back we were interested in him when he was with the leos, but Wally gave exclusive rights to Edm. to speak to him...Seems like Edm. is returning the favour...I don't see Mike wanting to play anywhere else other than B.C. or Alberta because of the proximity to his home in Washington... My take..I think you might as well colour him in black and orange...Hervey gets his man ;)


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 08, 2019, 08:17:48 PM
which is good...less money for them to toss at someone like say...Chungh


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
Edm has said they will NOT be outbid for 13.  So, let him talk to BC, and beat whatever offer they come up with.  Actually pretty smart, really.  Now, if Reilly really, really wants to go to BC, and money is no object, it allows Edm to set their sights on BLM or Harris... or even Jennings.  Maybe even see a Jennings / Reillly trade to allow signing pre-FA


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2019, 09:03:33 PM
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Can confirm @JDunk12 report that @Rikester13 has been given permission to speak to teams before opening of Feb. 12th. Move makes sense for @EdmontonEsks to find-out the market value of their pending free agent QB. #CF

Pending free agent @Rikester13 was given permission to speak to any team in advance of Feb. 12th ... not just B.C. Although sense is unlikely he goes anywhere but @EdmontonEsks or @BCLions. #CFL


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2019, 09:07:19 PM
Edm has said they will NOT be outbid for 13.  So, let him talk to BC, and beat whatever offer they come up with.  Actually pretty smart, really.  Now, if Reilly really, really wants to go to BC, and money is no object, it allows Edm to set their sights on BLM or Harris... or even Jennings.  Maybe even see a Jennings / Reillly trade to allow signing pre-FA

Generally, you don't invite bidding wars on players you are likely to sign. If it were simply a case of money, they'd have already signed. What this probably means is they understand there's a real chance they'll lose Reilly and they want to know which way the wind is blowing before Free Agency opens. That way they can aggressively pursue the other QBs out there if they're 50/50 on Reilly or worse.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2019, 09:14:32 PM
Generally, you don't invite bidding wars on players you are likely to sign. If it were simply a case of money, they'd have already signed. What this probably means is they understand there's a real chance they'll lose Reilly and they want to know which way the wind is blowing before Free Agency opens. That way they can aggressively pursue the other QBs out there if they're 50/50 on Reilly or worse.

They are setting the price.  Letting Reilly get his best offer from other teams so that they can beat it.  They have stated they will NOT be outbid.  So this sets the price.  Do other GM's come to the dance now, and set the price?  Does O'Day make a million dollar bid, knowing that Edm will match/beat and hamstring EDM's FA persuits?  Does BC offer a realistic $800k and hope he doesn't care that Edm will match/beat. 

Does this window for "talking" allow him to sign today?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2019, 09:20:22 PM
They are setting the price.  Letting Reilly get his best offer from other teams so that they can beat it.  They have stated they will NOT be outbid.  So this sets the price.  Do other GM's come to the dance now, and set the price?  Does O'Day make a million dollar bid, knowing that Edm will match/beat and hamstring EDM's FA persuits?  Does BC offer a realistic $800k and hope he doesn't care that Edm will match/beat. 

Does this window for "talking" allow him to sign today?

Could be. But don't kid yourself, they know his approximate value. Reilly obviously told them he's not signing until he hears from BC (or possibly even tests Free Agency) so this is their way of facilitating that. They didn't want to do this. It's a last resort and it means they're not sure they're going to be able to retain him. It's bad to lose him tomorrow. It's worse to lose him 3:00 pm on Free Agency day. If he's gone, they can be players for a QB on Tuesday - that's really the only advantage for the Eskimos.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: RebusRankin on February 09, 2019, 04:04:10 AM
Why do people assume Harris leaves Ottawa?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2019, 04:32:10 AM
Why do people assume Harris leaves Ottawa?
Because he has not signed yet...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 09, 2019, 08:04:48 PM
Riders have signed defensive lineman, Makana Henry to a one-year contract extension.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 09, 2019, 10:54:02 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

It's back to BC for Mike Reilly. Expect the Edmonton Eskimos to trade Mike Reilly's rights to the BC Lions who are expected to announce his extension ahead of CFL Free Agency. In return, the Edmonton Eskimos could get back the rights to Quarterback Johnathon Jennings, in hopes of signing him before other teams have a chance in CFL Free Agency.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 09, 2019, 11:36:33 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

It's back to BC for Mike Reilly. Expect the Edmonton Eskimos to trade Mike Reilly's rights to the BC Lions who are expected to announce his extension ahead of CFL Free Agency. In return, the Edmonton Eskimos could get back the rights to Quarterback Johnathon Jennings, in hopes of signing him before other teams have a chance in CFL Free Agency.

You're a good guy, but you really need to include the source.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 10, 2019, 12:33:17 AM
BREAKING NEWS!

It's back to BC for Mike Reilly. Expect the Edmonton Eskimos to trade Mike Reilly's rights to the BC Lions who are expected to announce his extension ahead of CFL Free Agency. In return, the Edmonton Eskimos could get back the rights to Quarterback Johnathon Jennings, in hopes of signing him before other teams have a chance in CFL Free Agency.

Can't see why BC would trade anything for his rights, just wait a couple more days and he's theirs for nothing


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 10, 2019, 12:41:49 AM
Reilly reportedly going to sign as a FA Tuesday for 700k/year with BC.

A huge salary (more than our two QBs combined).Burnham ain't going back to BC.


In Reilly they really trust as Lions prepare pivotal offer to sign QB | The Province
https://theprovince.com/sports/football/cfl/bc-lions/ed-willes-in-reilly-they-really-trust-as-lions-prepare-pivotal-offer-to-sign-qb


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2019, 12:51:53 AM
Can't see why BC would trade anything for his rights, just wait a couple more days and he's theirs for nothing

Trading rights to guys you aren't going to be able to sign is moot.  Getting Reilly for Jennings gives both teams a chance at getting those deals out of the way early...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Pigskin on February 10, 2019, 04:57:38 AM
I said all along that Reilly would sign in BC. He loves to have his parents at the games.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2019, 04:16:57 PM
Reilly reportedly going to sign as a FA Tuesday for 700k/year with BC.

A huge salary (more than our two QBs combined).Burnham ain't going back to BC.


In Reilly they really trust as Lions prepare pivotal offer to sign QB | The Province
https://theprovince.com/sports/football/cfl/bc-lions/ed-willes-in-reilly-they-really-trust-as-lions-prepare-pivotal-offer-to-sign-qb


IMO a $700K QB sets a bad precedent for the CFL and will mean more " entry " level players and a revolving door with rosters every off season. It's already been becoming more difficult to retain players after ELC deals.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on February 10, 2019, 04:37:23 PM
It certainly makes sense from a personal and financial standpoint for Reilly to sign in BC, as well as them to sign hometown Chung to their roster to protect the high priced help.

I am hoping they do sign MR for $700k, as well as Chung for big $$, then we can swoop in and sign Brian Burnham, who will immediately make our recieving corps better. Burnham, Adams and Dressler, Woli, and Peterman/Simonise sounds good to me!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2019, 04:40:04 PM
It certainly makes sense from a personal and financial standpoint for Reilly to sign in BC, as well as them to sign hometown Chung to their roster to protect the high priced help.

I am hoping they do sign MR for $700k, as well as Chung for big $$, then we can swoop in and sign Brian Burnham, who will immediately make our recieving corps better. Burnham, Adams and Dressler, Woli, and Peterman/Simonise sounds good to me!!

That's a little like saying it makes sense for the Lions to sign Reilly, BLM and Harris all to $700K contracts thereby eliminating the chance of any other team having a good QB.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2019, 05:20:12 PM
$700K... That is absolute insanity and will butcher that team.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 10, 2019, 05:24:19 PM
$700K... That is absolute insanity and will butcher that team.
totally agree. Swiss cheese Oline, thin receiving corps, and the Defense? New Head Coach will have little budget to work with.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: SSC on February 10, 2019, 05:40:27 PM
$700K... That is absolute insanity and will butcher that team.

Wow this is great for the other teams in the CFL. Blow the budget on one guy and let the Lion free agent feeding frenzy begin.

Lets see... I'll take one Burnham, an Awe and maybe a T.J. Lee on the side, thanks Mr.Hervey !



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 10, 2019, 05:47:03 PM
Wow this is great for the other teams in the CFL. Blow the budget on one guy and let the Lion free agent feeding frenzy begin.

Lets see... I'll take one Burnham, an Awe and maybe a T.J. Lee on the side, thanks Mr.Hervey !


2 of those 3 I?d be very happy. Want Burnham!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
If Reilly gets $700k, then Bo gets $800k... and the floodgates open for the rest of the FA's. 

It might actually hurt some, if we get snookered on some peripheral talent when they become the hot commodity instead of the top FA's.  Walters has been very effective in gathering up the second teir guys that out perform their contracts in FA.  We will probably need to rely more on scouting... maybe pick up some AAF talent ;)


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on February 10, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
That's a little like saying it makes sense for the Lions to sign Reilly, BLM and Harris all to $700K contracts thereby eliminating the chance of any other team having a good QB.
It doesn?t make any sense for the Lions to sign Reilly or anyone else for $700,000. I said it makes sense for Reilly to sign for personal (being closer to family/his parents can attend his games) and financial reasons?sure, he?s take $700,000 to play!! It?s financial and roster suicide to sign him to that figure though...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2019, 07:11:58 PM
It doesn?t make any sense for the Lions to sign Reilly or anyone else for $700,000. I said it makes sense for Reilly to sign for personal (being closer to family/his parents can attend his games) and financial reasons?sure, he?s take $700,000 to play!! It?s financial and roster suicide to sign him to that figure though...

 I doubt Reilly's parents or families will attend many of his games. If they were to do so then going to Edmonton versus Vancouver probably not much more of a cost or travel time difference.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: The Zipp on February 10, 2019, 07:16:14 PM
Burnham has re-signed in BC.

He knows Reilly is coming..


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2019, 07:25:23 PM
Burnham has re-signed in BC.

He knows Reilly is coming..

Source?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: The Zipp on February 10, 2019, 07:28:58 PM
Source?

https://3downnation.com/2019/02/10/b-c-lions-re-sign-all-star-receiver-bryan-burnham-sources/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/02/10/b-c-lions-re-sign-all-star-receiver-bryan-burnham-sources/)


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on February 10, 2019, 08:11:41 PM
@CFL_Headlines

Lions Lock Up TJ Lee Through 2020: With less than 48 hours until the CFL free agency period begins, the BC Lions have held on to a key piece of their secondary with the signing of TJ Lee III to a new deal through 2020. ?I?m? (link: http://dlvr.it/Qybzvc) dlvr.it/Qybzvc via @BakesTakes84
 #BCLions


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 10, 2019, 08:22:04 PM
I doubt Reilly's parents or families will attend many of his games. If they were to do so then going to Edmonton versus Vancouver probably not much more of a cost or travel time difference.

Sure it does, especially if they're driving, minimum 12 hour further difference and I believe his parents home is in Kennewick, Wash..


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
Sure it does, especially if they're driving, minimum 12 hour further difference and I believe his parents home is in Kennewick, Wash..

I still doubt they will attend many of his games. It's not like he's a new star player early in his career. I've seen them in the stands in Edmonton a few times but it's not like they are there every game as far as I know.

In any case I think it's a stretch to think the proximity has that much bearing on his decision.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: DM83 on February 11, 2019, 01:11:20 AM
Yeah but the wife is from BC isn't she?  That's the decider.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2019, 01:15:46 AM
Burnham has re-signed in BC.

He knows Reilly is coming..

Worst news all day.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 11, 2019, 01:19:40 AM
Yeah but the wife is from BC isn't she?  That's the decider.

So is Bighill's


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Nic16 on February 11, 2019, 01:38:28 AM
No surprise with the Burnham signing. If you?re getting Reilly you need to provide him with a go to guy.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 11, 2019, 01:55:24 AM
So if Burnham is the highest paid receiver, and Reilly goes to bc as the highest paid qb. what are they doing for every other position?  It?s a big gamble.....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 03:13:20 AM
So if Burnham is the highest paid receiver, and Reilly goes to bc as the highest paid qb. what are they doing for every other position?  It?s a big gamble.....

Banks was paid $225,000 which is a ridiculous amount for a receiver imo, if Burnham is being paid even more some GM's are getting exactly what they deserve.  Glad to hear Walters has not lost his mind.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2019, 03:21:43 AM
Well his parent attend most of his home games with EE.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 11, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
Banks was paid $225,000 which is a ridiculous amount for a receiver imo, if Burnham is being paid even more some GM's are getting exactly what they deserve.  Glad to hear Walters has not lost his mind.

Not knowing exact amounts and or the salary cap, but when the dust settles if the rumours are true the B.C. Lions will have +/- 15-20% of their cap in one QB and one receiver.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2019, 12:12:55 PM
No surprise with the Burnham signing. If you?re getting Reilly you need to provide him with a go to guy.

Yeah, now that it's happened, it makes too much sense to have ever hoped for Burnham.

I was really hoping for him though.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 02:11:06 PM
So if Burnham is the highest paid receiver, and Reilly goes to bc as the highest paid qb. what are they doing for every other position?  It?s a big gamble.....

Part of the reason they say Reilly will go to Vancouver is because of Lulay. Keeping in mind Lulay is also a potential free agent and he must be relatively well paid as well. Not sure how much but let's say $250K?

So the Lions could have over $1M invested in their 3 QB's. On one hand they don't want inexperience at # 2 and # 2 but OTOH would $1M spent on QB's destroy their roster overall.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 11, 2019, 02:36:16 PM
Or does Lulay retire to an office job with the Lions this year and then join the coaching staff next year if Reilly's on board?



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on February 11, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
Lulay, Collaros, Ray and Glenn should all just retire. Their playing days are done.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 02:41:54 PM
Lulay, Collaros, Ray and Glenn should all just retire. Their playing days are done.
But then Sask won't have any QB options??!?....lol


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on February 11, 2019, 02:42:37 PM
But then Sask won't have any QB options??!?....lol
Too bad... so sad.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blueraid on February 11, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
Lulay, Collaros, Ray and Glenn should all just retire. Their playing days are done.


You're right but with the way the quarterbacking ranks look at present, anybody breathing that looks  like a qb. has a shot...I imagine IF Streveler was a free agent...the gms would be just crawling out of the woodwork cash in hand....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 02:51:11 PM
I would roll the dice...go all in on the 2 best offensive weapons available, pay Chungh and roll with Streveler and trade Nichols and what will look like a bargain contract after the dust settles to the one desperate team that has no QB options...surround Streveler with talent and protection and allow him to grow and mature on the fly....I bet he gets enough wins to at the very least get us to a cross over...that would be the ballsy move and I bet work out the best


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 02:58:22 PM
I would roll the dice...go all in on the 2 best offensive weapons available, pay Chungh and roll with Streveler and trade Nichols and what will look like a bargain contract after the dust settles to the one desperate team that has no QB options...surround Streveler with talent and protection and allow him to grow and mature on the fly....I bet he gets enough wins to at the very least get us to a cross over...that would be the ballsy move and I bet work out the best

Trading Nichols and getting good return would still be difficult considering we've paid $225K up front? Also wouldn't want to trade him in the west division.

Overall a little too ballsy a move IMO.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2019, 03:13:51 PM
If you traded Nichols, an signed a QB for $600k, you'd be paying your starting QB the equivalent of $825k this year...  we have committed to having Nichols behind centre this year...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
I wouldn't sign another...just roll with Strev in my ballsy move....shake it up a bit hahaha


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 11, 2019, 03:43:58 PM
Hamilton Tiger-Cats have re-signed linebacker Simoni Lawrence to a two-year contract just one day before he was set to become a free agent.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 03:51:32 PM
Hamilton Tiger-Cats have re-signed linebacker Simoni Lawrence to a two-year contract just one day before he was set to become a free agent.

No last minute surprise announcements from Walters???  I guess he used all his bones up.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 03:55:03 PM
I'm sure you will see a lot of guys re-sign all over the league today/tonight...even tomorrow morning....possibly including some of our own..but regardless, if we lose some starters, there will be more than enough available to replace them with, and a lot of them better than what we lose save for Chungh as he is best free-agent non-import lineman available
I wouldn't be bothered though replacing Chungh with St John if we had to, as I think he would thrive in our locker room and with our line and was in a bad spot is Ssk


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2019, 04:19:17 PM
I wouldn't sign another...just roll with Strev in my ballsy move....shake it up a bit hahaha

You think Streveler would play starting QB for the Bombers for an ELC salary?  Shake thine head.  First thing he'd do is pull a Jennings.  Probably not as egregiously, with a little more class, but for sure, he'd renegotiate a deal into the $300k range.. or more. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 04:26:42 PM
You think Streveler would play starting QB for the Bombers for an ELC salary?  Shake thine head.  First thing he'd do is pull a Jennings.  Probably not as egregiously, with a little more class, but for sure, he'd renegotiate a deal into the $300k range.. or more. 

Some team will offer Streveler around $400,000 based on promise and force the Bombers hand, they will not be able to afford to keep both Nichols or Streveler and will have to decide which way they're going by the end of this season.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
Some team will offer Streveler around $400,000 based on promise and force the Bombers hand, they will not be able to afford to keep both Nichols or Streveler and will have to decide which way they're going by the end of this season.

He still has 2 years on his deal...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 04:32:22 PM
He still has 2 years on his deal...

No he doesn't "..."


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 04:35:45 PM
You think Streveler would play starting QB for the Bombers for an ELC salary?  Shake thine head.  First thing he'd do is pull a Jennings.  Probably not as egregiously, with a little more class, but for sure, he'd renegotiate a deal into the $300k range.. or more. 
Well he is actually signed...so he would have no choice really, but a small bump this year and a significant one next would be totally affordable...and in case you missed it..I said this isn't a rreality...just a ballsy move....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 11, 2019, 04:51:30 PM
Eskimos CEO leaving.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/edmonton-eskimos-ceo-len-rhodes-to-exit-organization-feb-20


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 11, 2019, 04:53:34 PM
Riders have re-signed veteran national LB Sam Hurl to a 1 year contract extension....que the heckling!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on February 11, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
Riders have re-signed veteran national LB Sam Hurl to a 1 year contract extension....que the heckling!

That's a good signing for them.  He's a good ST guy, and can be an excellent back-up to Judge.  You just don't want to have him as a full-time starter, that's all. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 04:56:30 PM
Eskimos CEO leaving.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/edmonton-eskimos-ceo-len-rhodes-to-exit-organization-feb-20

This will make Edmonton fans very happy.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 04:57:16 PM
I wouldn't wanna bank on Judge as a full-time starter yet either tho...not yet..still a lot of holes in his game and I bet his first year as a free-agent he bolts anyway


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
That's a good signing for them.  He's a good ST guy, and can be an excellent back-up to Judge.  You just don't want to have him as a full-time starter, that's all. 

Sorry, what has Judge proven in this league?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
No he doesn't "..."

Not sure if we ever got that straightened out, I was sure he signed a 3 year deal, committing to working on his game.  Might have been two, regardless, he is currently under contract...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 05:17:24 PM
Riders have re-signed veteran national LB Sam Hurl to a 1 year contract extension....que the heckling!

He can be the player on the sideline handing out Gatoraide.

I wonder how much Simoni Lawrence got on his new contract. That might give some perspective to the value of JSK.

It also eliminates another team from having interest. The waiting game is a risk to free agents as teams sign players and spend money. Coming off an injury won't help his case in the early going.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2019, 05:17:59 PM
This will make Edmonton fans very happy.


I didn't know he was hated in Edm...

But if they are losing Riley, he must see the writing on the wall for the team to absolutely suck this year... good time to exit...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 05:19:58 PM
Some team will offer Streveler around $400,000 based on promise and force the Bombers hand, they will not be able to afford to keep both Nichols or Streveler and will have to decide which way they're going by the end of this season.

If teams start offering QB's with promise $400K the league is doomed.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 05:21:48 PM
let them offer him 400k when he is signed with us at moment...lol...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 11, 2019, 05:22:08 PM
No one is going to pay Streveler $400,000 this off-season, even if they could. I'm high on the guy but even the most believing GM wouldn't do that. Not straight-up anyway. Maybe in an incentive-laden contract for number of starts or something.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: the paw on February 11, 2019, 05:25:03 PM
Sorry, what has Judge proven in this league?

Judge and Hurl were splitting time last year (about 40 tackles each), but by all accounts Judge has surpassed Hurl on the depth chart.  He as a second overall pick out of UCLA with good measurables, and though it has taken some time for him to get his footing, I think he projects as their starter at MLB.

Oh, and i do not believe Judge is a free agent, so I don't expect him to be going anywhere.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 05:28:23 PM
No one is going to pay Streveler $400,000 this off-season, even if they could. I'm high on the guy but even the most believing GM wouldn't do that. Not straight-up anyway. Maybe in an incentive-laden contract for number of starts or something.

I think we're all high on Streveler and hope to see him get more and more meaningful play in 2019. He can be a very valuable aspect of our offense. Depending on how our season goes and how Nichols performs we may see the beginning of a possible transition into 2020.

Of course if Streveler looks to be headed to free agency there are no guarantees. OTOH, it's very likely that most top QB's: Reilly, Harris and BLM all sign multiple year deals. So the market place in 2020 will be much different than the bidding wars we might see tomorrow.

I'd be very happy if we could find a way to extend him this season with a large progressive bump  during the contract time frame.

Hard to say whether he'll look like the QB to replace Nichols by the end of the season. He might.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 05:34:29 PM
let them offer him 400k when he is signed with us at moment...lol...

I was referring to the offers he will receive when he hits F.A. which I believe will be at the conclusion of this season.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
Judge and Hurl were splitting time last year (about 40 tackles each), but by all accounts Judge has surpassed Hurl on the depth chart.  He as a second overall pick out of UCLA with good measurables, and though it has taken some time for him to get his footing, I think he projects as their starter at MLB.

Oh, and i do not believe Judge is a free agent, so I don't expect him to be going anywhere.

He has proven jack.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2019, 05:38:49 PM
I was referring to the offers he will receive when he hits F.A. which I believe will be at the conclusion of this season.

Depends on how this season goes, I guess.

We obviously still have Nichols under contract beyond this year.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 05:42:44 PM
No one is going to pay Streveler $400,000 this off-season, even if they could. I'm high on the guy but even the most believing GM wouldn't do that. Not straight-up anyway. Maybe in an incentive-laden contract for number of starts or something.

If the Riders can't find a QB solution this season they're going to lead the league in desperation going into F.A. next season and will offer Streveler or Nichols whatever it takes.  As for QB's not receiving $400,000 based on potential, what about Drew Willy?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 11, 2019, 05:53:18 PM
He has proven jack.
He showed well


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 11, 2019, 05:57:23 PM
If the Riders can't find a QB solution this season they're going to lead the league in desperation going into F.A. next season and will offer Streveler or Nichols whatever it takes.  As for QB's not receiving $400,000 based on potential, what about Drew Willy?
Point duly noted on the Willy signing which I was not a big fan of from day one for the very fact that he was a backup only in Riderville and had proved little.   I remember just how high MOS was on him and anointed him as our starter well before the season started.   Well we all know how that worked out albeit in all fairness to Willy....he took an awful pounding back there as our O-line back then was more like Swiss cheese.   It was a colossal mistake by Bomber management....and I'm still shaking my head over how they could have been that delusional!??   Add to it that they didn't have a seasoned back up to pick up the pieces....but they went into the season which defied any Coaching 101 logic.   I'm over it now but still haven't forgotten.....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 06:15:47 PM
I was referring to the offers he will receive when he hits F.A. which I believe will be at the conclusion of this season.

I know that's what you were suggesting. I'm suggesting there isn't a team that will offer him that much unless he takes over the starting role in Winnipeg in 2019 and does very well.

Lions did something similar with Jennings when he showed promise and that didn't work out very well. Early promise leads to game film and defenses adjusting. A little flash early doesn't always mean long term success. The CFL is littered with early promise that fizzled. Casey Printers is another that comes to mind.

Other examples would be Willy and Franklin. Too much money, too soon for really unproven.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 06:38:39 PM
https://3downnation.com/2019/02/11/ticats-re-sign-linebacker-simoni-lawrence-fans-rejoice


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 06:51:41 PM
I was referring to the offers he will receive when he hits F.A. which I believe will be at the conclusion of this season.
I see....gotcha, but I doubt he gets to free agency..if he shows just as well, or better (which I assume he will) this year, he will be extended and I wouldn't be shocked if was ask Nichols to restructure..mainly that bonus component, and compete for number 1 that year, or we just outright trade him to a team desperate...or just release him...that would be the smart progression....and sign Streveler to modest starter base money, with nice incentives/bonuses..


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 06:54:42 PM
I see....gotcha, but I doubt he gets to free agency..if he shows just as well, or better (which I assume he will) this year, he will be extended and I wouldn't be shocked if was ask Nichols to restructure..mainly that bonus component, and compete for number 1 that year, or we just outright trade him to a team desperate...or just release him...that would be the smart progression....and sign Streveler to modest starter base money, with nice incentives/bonuses..

The Bombers definitely need to figure out exactly what they have with him, because some team would likely give him a chance to start.

Nichols will be feeling the heat to perform.

I wonder if Nichols would re-structure, as you suggest (like Lulay did).


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 06:56:09 PM
I see....gotcha, but I doubt he gets to free agency..if he shows just as well, or better (which I assume he will) this year, he will be extended and I wouldn't be shocked if was ask Nichols to restructure..mainly that bonus component, and compete for number 1 that year, or we just outright trade him to a team desperate...or just release him...that would be the smart progression....and sign Streveler to modest starter base money, with nice incentives/bonuses..

That would be the wise approach. Nichols would still have trade value at the end of the season before the Jan 15 bonus period.

Streveler's new deal could include bonus's for a bunch of performance aspects, both personal and team success in 2020.

A little hard to tell what this year's free agency frenzy and upcoming new CBA do in regard to 2020. Regardless I'm expecting Streveler to show more talent this year and we'll want to extend him to a new deal.

Obviously it's a team game so all success never falls just on the QB even if he's playing well. Injuries are the big unknown issue. Who gets hurt and when creates opportunities for other players and that's what happened for Streveler in 2018.

Without that happening we might not have seen as much from him last year. Or even worse, if Durant had decided to report as the # 2 QB.

He got his chance essentially day 1 of the season and was impressive even though we lost 2 of his games. That doesn't usually happen.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 11, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
coupled with the fact he has stated on several interviews he would like to continue a long career in the CFL...so if he progresses more we would be stupid not to extend him


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 07:03:20 PM
coupled with the fact he has stated on several interviews he would like to continue a long career in the CFL...so if he progresses more we would be stupid not to extend him

I think he wants to play QB, and the NFL won't be giving him a chance to do that without some more equity.

His head is in the right place and he is a young guy. He could sign a good 3 year contract  extension and be right in his prime to shop himself to the NFL.

Huge year for him.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2019, 07:11:00 PM
coupled with the fact he has stated on several interviews he would like to continue a long career in the CFL...so if he progresses more we would be stupid not to extend him

Good to know. I hadn't heard that but it doesn't surprise me. He seems like a level headed person as well as a young talent in the making.

I fully expect the team ( OC ) to fully incorporate him more into the offense regardless of how well Nichols does.

I'm not advocating a 2 QB system to major degree but there will inevitably be opportunities in game to give defenses fits with different looks. In games where we have large leads or deficits would be another opportunity to give him reps and see if he can create a different spark.

We used him quite well on short yardage and often left in him for a prolonged series. That has to drive defenses nuts especially when you start running no huddle and now have to adjust on the fly to a QB with more athleticism.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2019, 07:25:39 PM
Point duly noted on the Willy signing which I was not a big fan of from day one for the very fact that he was a backup only in Riderville and had proved little.   I remember just how high MOS was on him and anointed him as our starter well before the season started.   Well we all know how that worked out albeit in all fairness to Willy....he took an awful pounding back there as our O-line back then was more like Swiss cheese.   It was a colossal mistake by Bomber management....and I'm still shaking my head over how they could have been that delusional!??   Add to it that they didn't have a seasoned back up to pick up the pieces....but they went into the season which defied any Coaching 101 logic.   I'm over it now but still haven't forgotten.....

I'm not sure if you're trying to re-write history or if you just forgot what happened...but that is not at all how it went down.

Willy was our last option after failed attempts to sign Collaros and Burris. There were no other options at QB available and we went with what we had to start the new regime. The reason we went with Willy was absolutely not because MOS was so high on him, it was because there were no other options.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 07:40:11 PM
I'm not sure if you're trying to re-write history or if you just forgot what happened...but that is not at all how it went down.

Willy was our last option after failed attempts to sign Collaros and Burris. There were no other options at QB available and we went with what we had to start the new regime. The reason we went with Willy was absolutely not because MOS was so high on him, it was because there were no other options.

You speak the truth

He was not the Bombers first choice. I remember an Argo game here where the fans were cheering for Collaros to sign here.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 07:40:55 PM
I'm not sure if you're trying to re-write history or if you just forgot what happened...but that is not at all how it went down.

Willy was our last option after failed attempts to sign Collaros and Burris. There were no other options at QB available and we went with what we had to start the new regime. The reason we went with Willy was absolutely not because MOS was so high on him, it was because there were no other options.

It's the amount Walters decided to pay him for his services that can not be ignored.  It was all based on promise that never materialized.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 07:43:12 PM
It's the amount Walters decided to pay him for his services that can not be ignored.  It was all based on promise that never materialized.

Context matters. Their options were very limited and Willy showed promise early on with us.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 11, 2019, 07:51:17 PM
I'm not sure if you're trying to re-write history or if you just forgot what happened...but that is not at all how it went down.

Willy was our last option after failed attempts to sign Collaros and Burris. There were no other options at QB available and we went with what we had to start the new regime. The reason we went with Willy was absolutely not because MOS was so high on him, it was because there were no other options.

I realize he wasn't our first choice....but he was declared our starting QB well before TC and I'm not sure he earned that privelege and salary albeit he started the season well.   The fact that we have never developed a starting QB in recent history speaks volumes.   It was the manner in which Willy garnered the number one job on our team that bothered me.   Had he earned it by his play in TC I would have been ok with it....as a result he wasn't able to play through adversity and his confidence was shaken.   I agree that we didn't have many options at the time....but I didn't like the way he was written into the script without logging many reps as a starter.   As it stands now we don't have the best QB in the league and most other CFL teams will be gunning for the top three....just not the Bombers.   I'm predicting right now that one of the top three QBs assuming BLM returns along with Harris and Reilly will be sporting a GC ring in November.   Bud Grant winner of the most GCs by any Bomber coach understood this.   His three keys to being a successful football coach and GM were "having an understanding wife, a good dog and a good QB".   His record speaks for itself.....MOS has put together a competitive team but I don't think Nichols is the guy to do it....and if he does I will eat large quantities of crow!!



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 11, 2019, 07:56:13 PM
Delvin Breaux re-signs with Cats for three years.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 11, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
Delvin Breaux re-signs with Cats for three years.

Glad he stays out East. I wonder what the terms were. Three years is a big commitment, seems like we are seeing more of that than the last few years.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 11, 2019, 08:03:07 PM
I see....gotcha, but I doubt he gets to free agency..if he shows just as well, or better (which I assume he will) this year, he will be extended and I wouldn't be shocked if was ask Nichols to restructure..mainly that bonus component, and compete for number 1 that year, or we just outright trade him to a team desperate...or just release him...that would be the smart progression....and sign Streveler to modest starter base money, with nice incentives/bonuses..

Either way they go, stay with Nichols or gamble on Streveler, I guess it will depend on the result of this season. I just can't see the Bombers being able to keep both QB's after this coming season, much like Reilly and Franklin last off-season a choice will have to be made.  There's just too much pent-up QB demand league-wide to ignore the offers their agents will hear.  The logic of the offers made won't be called into question until the game of musical chairs balances out between the number of players and the lack of available chairs.  A new GM usually has a window of 2-3 years to find a starting QB to tie his star to, surpassing that by much first puts the H.C's job in jeopardy then eventually their own.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on February 11, 2019, 08:10:22 PM
I realize he wasn't our first choice....but he was declared our starting QB well before TC and I'm not sure he earned that privelege and salary albeit he started the season well.   The fact that we have never developed a starting QB in recent history speaks volumes.   It was the manner in which Willy garnered the number one job on our team that bothered me.   Had he earned it by his play in TC I would have been ok with it....as a result he wasn't able to play through adversity and his confidence was shaken.   I agree that we didn't have many options at the time....but I didn't like the way he was written into the script without logging many reps as a starter.   As it stands now we don't have the best QB in the league and most other CFL teams will be gunning for the top three....just not the Bombers.   I'm predicting right now that one of the top three QBs assuming BLM returns along with Harris and Reilly will be sporting a GC ring in November.   Bud Grant winner of the most GCs by any Bomber coach understood this.   His three keys to being a successful football coach and GM were "having an understanding wife, a good dog and a good QB".   His record speaks for itself.....MOS has put together a competitive team but I don't think Nichols is the guy to do it....and if he does I will eat large quantities of crow!!



Not sure about some of this. So, concern is expressed that we haven't developed a QB in a long time, but we're supposed to go out and sign a QB that someone else has developed? Also, we have developed Nichols. He wasn't a starting QB when he came here. He is now. Also, of the top three that you identify, only two went to the final four in the CFL last season. Nichols was there. Reilly was not. I also suspect that if Nichols had the receiving weapons that Harris has, he'd produce similar statistical numbers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on February 12, 2019, 12:07:02 AM
EDMONTON ? On the even of free agency, the Eskimos locked up five of their own, extending the contracts of veterans DB Forrest Hightower, WR Kenny Stafford, FB Calvin McCarty, LS Ryan King and OL Colin Kelly.

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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ModAdmin on February 12, 2019, 12:09:55 AM
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Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 12:13:16 AM
Not sure about some of this. So, concern is expressed that we haven't developed a QB in a long time, but we're supposed to go out and sign a QB that someone else has developed? Also, we have developed Nichols. He wasn't a starting QB when he came here. He is now. Also, of the top three that you identify, only two went to the final four in the CFL last season. Nichols was there. Reilly was not. I also suspect that if Nichols had the receiving weapons that Harris has, he'd produce similar statistical numbers.
Well the fact is Nichols was a starting QB for Edmonton....He suffered through some horrific season ending injuries and in the year he was traded to us he started their first 5 games with a winning record.   They already had Reilly as a back up and knew he was a better option at QB than Nichols and made the trade....which immediately impacted our results in a positive manner.   I don't think we can take credit for "developing" him as he never played behind any of our starters (well Willy for a game or two) and was a #1 guy for Edmonton when they traded him.    He fits better into our style of offence under LaPo and has had fair success as our #1 guy,   In last years WF....it was a game we could have won if our O hadn't been completely shut down.  But BLM made those big passes at critical times something Nichols is unable or unwilling to do.   Granted Calgary has better receivers but BLM is able to play to their strengths....
I'm hoping that Streveler can develop playing behind Nichols because he has better tools to play QB and his leadership qualities are I believe superior to Nichols.   We shall see....but I'm not holding my breath if Nichols is still our starter after this season.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 12:15:35 AM
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He can still play.

Wonder where he goes. I assume staying out East.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 12, 2019, 12:22:06 AM
Well the fact is Nichols was a starting QB for Edmonton....He suffered through some horrific season ending injuries and in the year he was traded to us he started their first 5 games with a winning record.   They already had Reilly as a back up and knew he was a better option at QB than Nichols and made the trade....which immediately impacted our results in a positive manner.   I don't think we can take credit for "developing" him as he never played behind any of our starters (well Willy for a game or two) and was a #1 guy for Edmonton when they traded him.    He fits better into our style of offence under LaPo and has had fair success as our #1 guy,   In last years WF....it was a game we could have won if our O hadn't been completely shut down.  But BLM made those big passes at critical times something Nichols is unable or unwilling to do.   Granted Calgary has better receivers but BLM is able to play to their strengths....
I'm hoping that Streveler can develop playing behind Nichols because he has better tools to play QB and his leadership qualities are I believe superior to Nichols.   We shall see....but I'm not holding my breath if Nichols is still our starter after this season.

Nichols was always a back up in Edmonton.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 12:27:18 AM
Nichols was always a back up in Edmonton.

I remember hearing he had won the battle for starter vs Rielly before getting iinjured


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 12:29:53 AM
It is a little insane that Edmonton is letting Walker get to FA.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 12:57:50 AM
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Final signature to come tomorrow, Mike Reilly will sign a 4 year deal at right around $700k per season with the BC Lions. Sources say Esks were willing to do 4x700k as well to match.


Crazy. He might make as much as all 3 of our QBs combined (give or take).



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 12, 2019, 01:02:28 AM
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Final signature to come tomorrow, Mike Reilly will sign a 4 year deal at right around $700k per season with the BC Lions. Sources say Esks were willing to do 4x700k as well to match.


Crazy. He might make as much as all 3 of our QBs combined (give or take).

That is just nuts, not sure how they plan to fill out their roster and have any real depth.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 01:05:08 AM
It is pretty crazy.

Maybe more crazy, Trevor Harris getting 600k.

Glad we don't have to participate in this nonsense.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 12, 2019, 01:06:11 AM
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Final signature to come tomorrow, Mike Reilly will sign a 4 year deal at right around $700k per season with the BC Lions. Sources say Esks were willing to do 4x700k as well to match.


Crazy. He might make as much as all 3 of our QBs combined (give or take).



4 year deal too. Can't remember ever seeing that.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 01:09:39 AM
4 year deal too. Can't remember ever seeing that.

It has been awhile for sure. He has a lot of miles on him as well.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 12, 2019, 01:33:26 AM
If I?m a Lions fan I love having him but the amount and term is crazy.

I would worry how it effects the rest of the team...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on February 12, 2019, 01:33:59 AM
In the SMS era, that seems absurd. Isn't Reilly 35 years old? He's also had an injury history. Crazy.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 12, 2019, 01:55:11 AM
I just  think thats an absurd contract when in the SMS world, Depth is so important, especially some quality and/or veteran depth , because injuries are  going to happen in this game.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 02:20:32 AM
In the TSN article about Reilly signing it mentioned the Lions are hot to trot for Chungh.    Once again other teams are getting better and we are not keeping up....Walters has his work cut out for him now with losing two allstar OL ....


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 02:23:16 AM
BC must be in financial trouble and allowed to use the secret salary cap again.

Braley selling the team? Got Ray in TO before selling his other team


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sec223 on February 12, 2019, 02:28:31 AM
If I?m a Lions fan I love having him but the amount and term is crazy.

I would worry how it effects the rest of the team...

Imagine if he gets hurt.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 12, 2019, 02:30:24 AM
Nichols was always a back up in Edmonton.

He spent his first 3-1/2 years in Edm. they developed him, Bomber gave him an uncontested chance at a starting gig and he ran with it.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 12, 2019, 02:30:35 AM
If I?m a Lions fan I love having him but the amount and term is crazy.

I would worry how it effects the rest of the team...
I mean they have WR1 locked down ditto DB and LB but like...wow. 700k? 4 years? Wowwww


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: RebusRankin on February 12, 2019, 02:33:18 AM
In the TSN article about Reilly signing it mentioned the Lions are hot to trot for Chungh.    Once again other teams are getting better and we are not keeping up....Walters has his work cut out for him now with losing two allstar OL ....

Agree on us needing to step up but at the same time Reilly at the reported $700,000 + Burnham at the reported $200,000 + Solly at $215,000 + Chungh at $200,000 is $1,315,000 for 4 players. They'd really need to find a bunch of guys to play on ELCs.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on February 12, 2019, 02:43:37 AM
In the TSN article about Reilly signing it mentioned the Lions are hot to trot for Chungh.    Once again other teams are getting better and we are not keeping up....Walters has his work cut out for him now with losing two allstar OL ....
I don't blame Walters. $700,000 for one player is nuts. As for the OL, Goossen retired so he could pursue his dream job and if Chungh would rather sign in BC what can he do.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 12, 2019, 02:58:37 AM
Argos going to offer BLM $750K contract!

https://3downnation.com/2019/02/11/argos-preparing-monster-offer-for-bo-levi-mitchell-sources/


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jesse on February 12, 2019, 03:00:11 AM
In the TSN article about Reilly signing it mentioned the Lions are hot to trot for Chungh.    Once again other teams are getting better and we are not keeping up....Walters has his work cut out for him now with losing two allstar OL ....

If they?re blowing 700k on Reilly, they better have a plan to protect him.

Still hope we can make a last minute deal with Chungh though. Too many high draft picks of ours are walking out the door.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: dd on February 12, 2019, 03:04:42 AM
Chungh wants to play at home, Lions will lay him what he?s worth, doubt Walters can pursuade him to stay, just like labstte did a could of years ago. Heck, harris came here for the same reason so it works both ways


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 12, 2019, 03:19:20 AM
Argos going to offer BLM $750K contract!

https://3downnation.com/2019/02/11/argos-preparing-monster-offer-for-bo-levi-mitchell-sources/

Isn't making those kinds of comments BEFORE free agency a violation of the rules? In any case these huge contracts are not going to be good for the CFL IMO.

I wonder which of the Argos QB's get traded. Franklin to Edmonton, Regina or Calgary?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 12, 2019, 03:38:27 AM
B.C and Toronto paying highest salaries again in the CFL. Yet they will somehow sign good receivers and have a good D and supposedly stay under the cap.  I guess Calgary is taking a year off .


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 12, 2019, 03:41:42 AM
Chungh wants to play at home, Lions will lay him what he?s worth, doubt Walters can pursuade him to stay, just like labstte did a could of years ago. Heck, harris came here for the same reason so it works both ways


Let him go. B.C. Has a few good o- lineman we can take back. We haven't had the best o line. Not in years. Used to have an o-line that could roll the defence and we pick up yards running.  Harris does it on his own in my opinion.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 03:43:52 AM
I remember hearing he had won the battle for starter vs Rielly before getting iinjured
actually in the year he was traded to the Bombers, he played the first 7 games for the Esks winning 5 of them as Reilly was now injured.  He was actually the back up at the time and they also had Franklin who was looking pretty good.   Then they traded Nichols to the Bombers and Reilly went on to win the GC that year.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 12, 2019, 03:43:59 AM

Let him go. B.C. Has as a few good o- lineman we can take back. We haven't had the best o line. Not in years. Used to have an o line that could roll the defence and we pick up yards running.  Harris does it on his own in my opinion.
That is so wrong. Harris does well but no on his own. You can only do some much if you're getting tackled at the LOS or behind it.

Chungh is a huge part of our OL. To say otherwise is just trying to reassure yourself our run game won't be affected...it will


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 12, 2019, 03:48:43 AM
We apparently have a good o- line.  But they don't give Nichols much time to throw. Put an ordinary back behind them we would probably be considered one of the worst . Chungh is good but there's several others to step in , just have to sign them. Him going to bc and Reilly should be good news for the bombers. BC throwing tons of money for another Over the hill Qb. Who they should have kept instead let him go to Edmonton.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue girl on February 12, 2019, 03:54:34 AM
actually in the year he was traded to the Bombers, he played the first 7 games for the Esks winning 5 of them as Reilly was now injured.  He was actually the back up at the time and they also had Franklin who was looking pretty good.   Then they traded Nichols to the Bombers and Reilly went on to win the GC that year.
Actually in the year that Nichols and Reilly both signed in Edmonton I remember watching the pre season game and they said that the coaches were still undecided about who would come out of camp the starter. Then Nichols suffered a season ending injury and Reilly became the starter.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 12, 2019, 04:10:52 AM
Use the money to sign another good defensive lineman from Saskatchewan like Jefferson and a good receiver .


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 12, 2019, 04:32:19 AM
We apparently have a good o- line.  But they don't give Nichols much time to throw. Put an ordinary back behind them we would probably be considered one of the worst . Chungking is good but there's several others to step in , just have to sign them. Him going to bc and Reilly should be good news for the bombers. BC throwing tons of money for another Over the hill Qb. Who they should have kept instead let him go to Edmonton.
Our OL played among the best. No OL OS perfect but I'd put ours right next to Calgarys. Of course Nichols got pressured. He also took forever to throw anything beyond 7 yards. Remember how good our offence was when we had a weak OL?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 04:43:54 AM
CFL on Twitter: "Compelling case for the @BCLions ahead of #CFLFA tomorrow. 👀 https://t.co/LjfpbygdCj" / Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/CFL/status/1095085066471002118

Nice that the league does not even hide the bias. Can only imagine if the NFL did this.

How about remind them that their money goes less far, it is raining all the time, and the stadium is empty?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jets on February 12, 2019, 04:48:04 AM
Reilly is pricey but the two most important positions on the field are QB and MLB and they have a star player at both.

Also, I'd bet good money that if Chungh goes elsewhere we bring in another solid starter type Canadian OL from another teams' FA list.  Mike Filer would be a nice consolation and there's at least 2-3 more that would be above average starters and better than what we already have left.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 12, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
BC signed Steward... could this mean they have spent themselves out of the Chungh market?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 12, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
BC signed Steward... could this mean they have spent themselves out of the Chungh market?

I could potentially see Chungh going anywhere but Mtl. or Sask. it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up in Cgy. or T.O.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: The Zipp on February 12, 2019, 01:44:17 PM
Chung will be signed in BC before days end is my prediction


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 12, 2019, 01:56:38 PM
I see the Riders throwing about $200K for Chungh.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 02:17:46 PM
I see the Riders throwing about $200K for Chungh.

Possibly. Not sure that many FA's will want to go to the Rider tire fire unless they score an actual QB though. With the massive losses in talent and coaching this offseason there is a lot of risk that the Riders will be last place and out of the playoffs. in fact, it's quite likely without some divine intervention.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 12, 2019, 02:24:49 PM
Possibly. Not sure that many FA's will want to go to the Rider tire fire unless they score an actual QB though. With the massive losses in talent and coaching this offseason there is a lot of risk that the Riders will be last place and out of the playoffs. in fact, it's quite likely without some divine intervention.

Depending on today's outcome, the same could potentially be said about the Esks (lose Reilly, possibly Walker, Sherrit, Williams (NFL), and a number of other potentials) and the Stamps (if Bo lands up somewhere else, Singleton gone, a number of NFL losses, Micah Johnson potentially landing somewhere else, etc, etc).


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 12, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
Esks will throw lots of cash at Harris and Ellingson.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 12, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
I see the Riders throwing about $200K for Chungh.

$200,000 would not be out of line for Chungh, if that's the total that outbids the Bombers I'd be concerned with their negotiating strategy.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 12, 2019, 02:47:56 PM
I see the Riders throwing about $200K for Chungh.

That's probably in the same ball park as the Bombers offer? $180K-$200K is my guess. Just a guess. Whether there are other factors will know soon enough.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 12, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
$200,000 would not be out of line for Chungh, if that's the total that outbids the Bombers I'd be concerned with Bombers negotiating strategy.

No way the Bombers would short-change a top tier NAT OL like Chungh.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Ridermania on February 12, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
Stamps have re-signed Eric Rogers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
No way the Bombers would short-change a top tier NAT OL like Chungh.

If Chungh doesn't re-sign in Winnipeg, I would bet heavy money that Hervey the tamperer has a contract waiting for him that has already been agreed on. Zero chance he goes to the Riders. OL don't go to teams with no QB.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 03:09:08 PM
Lions are reported to be going after DC.   They already locked up Burnham....don't think Claybrooks would put up with any of Carter's antics....with Reilly as their QB and that receiving corp it looks like the Lions will have some kind of potent offence.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: theaardvark on February 12, 2019, 03:13:54 PM
I feel there is going to be a LOT of SMS thrown at FA's right out of the gate, and there will be teams already in cap trouble before the day is out. 

My predicitin is that there is going to be a good market for tier twos, and that Walters will again surprise us with some "Hey, that makes sense, and what a good deal" signings. 

It is easy to toss $750k at the top QB in the league... much harder to flesh out a whole team with what you have left over...


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 12, 2019, 03:31:47 PM
when you think about it...600-700k+ plus basically eliminates 2 to 3 bigger fish you could normally sign that you can't now....3 teams will be in that boat after today or tommorow...and may have to wait on some of the bigger names available until the QB thing gets sorted out....and teams like Wpg..Ham and possibly Montral will take advantage of it...cause players know they wait too long..the bigger pay may evaporate after teams get stuck with a 3/4 million QB price tag


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: The Zipp on February 12, 2019, 03:34:30 PM
The salary cap isn't enforced in February.  Something to be aware of but nobody has to be under the cap right now. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 03:35:36 PM
The salary cap isn't enforced in February.  Something to be aware of but nobody has to be under the cap right now. 

True...but anyone worth a snot gets a signing bonus, so you would have to be willing to eat that.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 12, 2019, 03:37:26 PM
The salary cap isn't enforced in February.  Something to be aware of but nobody has to be under the cap right now. 

No but if you give your QB $700K then there is still less for the rest of the roster. Add in big money to Burnham and suggestions the Lions will sign Chungh and Loffler to bigger deals, something has to give.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 03:38:41 PM
The salary cap isn't enforced in February.  Something to be aware of but nobody has to be under the cap right now. 

I would be surprised if Solly was a Lion next year.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 03:42:39 PM
No but if you give your QB $700K then there is still less for the rest of the roster. Add in big money to Burnham and suggestions the Lions will sign Chungh and Loffler to bigger deals, something has to give.

I don't believe that the Lions will sign half the guys they are rumored to be signing.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: The Zipp on February 12, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
No but if you give your QB $700K then there is still less for the rest of the roster. Add in big money to Burnham and suggestions the Lions will sign Chungh and Loffler to bigger deals, something has to give.

There will be lots of free agents the lions don't resign...and then cuts during training camp and the season...

Maybe they will go cheap on a running back. 


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Norm W on February 12, 2019, 03:48:59 PM
BC banking, literally banking on a descent increase in the SMS cap once the CBA is a done deal?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 12, 2019, 03:49:32 PM
I don't believe that the Lions will sign half the guys they are rumored to be signing.

lol. They better be trying to sign some of their own players before other teams beat them to it. 29 free agents including 15 starters. Receivers, most of their secondary, all their back up QB's, DL and so on.



Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 12, 2019, 03:50:49 PM
It?s reportedly a done deal with BC signing Carter per TSN


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 03:53:30 PM
So is TSN also reporting the tampering penalty and that the CFL will not be registering the contract?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 03:54:36 PM
It?s reportedly a done deal with BC signing Carter per TSN

Nothing can be a done deal until 11. Carter is not a FA until then.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 12, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
Nothing can be a done deal until 11. Carter is not a FA until then.

So in 5 minutes then? lol


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 12, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
Nothing can be a done deal until 11. Carter is not a FA until then.

Well Reilly seemed to be a done deal yesterday.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
Can't remember a crazier scenario with big name QBs and so many FAs hitting the market.....I just hope we come out of this a better team than last season.   It will be interesting to see when all the dust settles and the new CBA is signed how teams fared.   The way teams are throwing money around do they anticipate a significant increase to the cap??   Especially BC!!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Well Reilly seemed to be a done deal yesterday.

Reilly had permission to talk to other teams.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 04:00:48 PM
Here we go.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 04:02:46 PM
And so it begins....fingers, toes and eyes crossed!


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Blue In BC on February 12, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Well Reilly is probably the 1st signing announced. Who is the next big announcement?

Or maybe a better question is who is the 1st big announcement from the Bombers.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bryan35 on February 12, 2019, 04:05:07 PM
Well Reilly is probably the 1st signing announced. Who is the next big announcement?

Or maybe a better question is who is the 1st big announcement from the Bombers.

Mitchell


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:13:42 PM
@TSNRyanRishaug
Hearing Sukh Chung to BC is likely to get done.  Duron Carter as well as has been reported. Aaron Grimes may be heading to BC as well.  Hervey as expected being aggressive in making improvements today beyond Reilly.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 12, 2019, 04:15:46 PM
not sure how BC can afford this without major cuts to quality guys...I can see this all blowing up in their face when you rob Peter to pay Paul


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 04:16:12 PM
@TSNRyanRishaug
Hearing Sukh Chung to BC is likely to get done.  Duron Carter as well as has been reported. Aaron Grimes may be heading to BC as well.  Hervey as expected being aggressive in making improvements today beyond Reilly.

Spend the wad on your 24 Ed. When you have injuries this season you can always sign players from the BCJFL.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 12, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
@TSNRyanRishaug
Hearing Sukh Chung to BC is likely to get done.  Duron Carter as well as has been reported. Aaron Grimes may be heading to BC as well.  Hervey as expected being aggressive in making improvements today beyond Reilly.

Buy the team now, try to field the team later I guess.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
not sure how BC can afford this without major cuts to quality guys...I can see this all blowing up in their face when you rob Peter to pay Paul

It's gotta be coming at the expense of a bunch of others.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:18:59 PM
@DarrinBauming
A player the #Bombers have enquired on to bolster their receiving corps; Caleb Holley, coming off three seasons with the #Riders.

@jeffkhamilton
Hearing LB Jovan Santos-Knox found a contract for around $145,000, plus bonuses. Not sure the team yet, but maybe Sask?
Good for him, he's a heck of a player and deserves that deal. High character guy that any locker room would want.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 12, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
good god no


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Tehedra on February 12, 2019, 04:19:36 PM
Maybe BC just was never spending to the cap and so they have more room than others would expect. Disappointed to see Chung go that way though.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: GCn18 on February 12, 2019, 04:20:10 PM
@DarrinBauming
A player the #Bombers have enquired on to bolster their receiving corps; Caleb Holley, coming off three seasons with the #Riders.

@jeffkhamilton
Hearing LB Jovan Santos-Knox found a contract for around $145,000, plus bonuses. Not sure the team yet, but maybe Sask?
Good for him, he's a heck of a player and deserves that deal. High character guy that any locker room would want.

Ugh


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on February 12, 2019, 04:21:12 PM
$145K doesn't sound like a huge number to me.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:22:21 PM
Not the best news 21 minutes into Free Agency but we've got some money to spend. Not a lot coming out right now other than rumors and murmurs.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Freebird on February 12, 2019, 04:22:55 PM
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Hearing @sskroughriders unlikely to retain DE Willie Jefferson. Wpg, Mtl or BC possible destinations. #CFLFA


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 12, 2019, 04:23:32 PM
$145K doesn't sound like a huge number to me.
We never spend on Wil. Bass, JSK. Both were developed and dropped.

Not complaining about Bass though. But it's just not a highly valued position for Walter's. Would rather we invest in the secondary and receivers


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
@TSNScianitti
Early chatter after 12pm, #CFL sources telling me the #Eskimos have reached out to Trevor Harris to let him know their plan, if Harris were to sign in Edmonton.


...If Harris comes West we've basically got a two-tiered league without the relegation.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: kkc60 on February 12, 2019, 04:24:33 PM
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Hearing @sskroughriders unlikely to retain DE Willie Jefferson. Wpg, Mtl or BC possible destinations. #CFLFA
I'd pay for Jefferson. Best end in the league, would make up for the weakened dline if we put a nat at DT


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 04:25:33 PM
I'd be fine losing JSK and getting Jefferson.

JSK has a base on 145, but what are the bonuses for? 150k is about my own tolerance for paying for him, but good for him to get paid.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:26:56 PM
I'd be fine losing JSK and getting Jefferson.

JSK has a base on 145, but what are the bonuses for? 150k is about my own tolerance for paying for him, but good for him to get paid.

Not super sold on the fact that Jefferson would be a priority signing for us but for sure would be a big upgrade at DE.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 04:28:44 PM
Not super sold on the fact that Jefferson would be a priority signing for us but for sure would be a big upgrade at DE.

Real big.

Jefferson at one side and Jeffcoat at the other?

Bananas


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Tehedra on February 12, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
I Jefferson better than JSK? I really am dissappointed we may lose JSK I just never expected we would.  Felt that with him and Big Hill we were rock solid especially with Alexander.  I guess we will see how the team looks after FA has been completed.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: booch on February 12, 2019, 04:32:35 PM
also would allow us to different things on defense and absorb a JSK loss...which won't be that huge anyway I don't think..MLB is way moe important in our defensive scheme


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:32:51 PM
Real big.

Jefferson at one side and Jeffcoat at the other?

Bananas

I hope you're right. If we do sign him, I hope we have more dollars to address some other needs too.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:33:45 PM
@jeffkhamilton
Not looking good for #Bombers and receiver Greg Ellingson. Hearing a deal is just around the corner with Edmonton, but teams are making a last ditch effort to get him.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: TBURGESS on February 12, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
FTR: I'd rather have JSK at $145K than Jefferson at $200+K and use the extra to 'overpay' Chungh.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
FTR: I'd rather have JSK at $145K than Jefferson at $200+K and use the extra to 'overpay' Chungh.

Me too, if it were an option.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: ichabod_crane on February 12, 2019, 04:35:54 PM
It's gotta be coming at the expense of a bunch of others.

I just reviewed the free agents BC still has and there is a ton of them. Arcenaux, several o-lineman although their o-line was pretty bad as it was last season. Without an o-line Reilly is no better off than that porous line Edmonton had last year. For sure if he signs for 700K per year that affects your entire roster with less money for others. Maybe Ed Hervey  has the green light to spend over the cap this season?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Leroy on February 12, 2019, 04:39:23 PM
FTR: I'd rather have JSK at $145K than Jefferson at $200+K and use the extra to 'overpay' Chungh.

Again, you have to know what the bonuses are. He could make another 20k roster bonus or something crazy.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 12, 2019, 04:39:39 PM
I just reviewed the free agents BC still has and there is a ton of them. Arcenaux, several o-lineman although their o-line was pretty bad as it was last season. Without an o-line Reilly is no better off than that porous line Edmonton had last year. For sure if he signs for 700K per year that affects your entire roster with less money for others. Maybe Ed Hervey  has the green light to spend over the cap this season?
I'm not sure how he couldn't go over....but hey if it gets you a GC then paying the cap fine might be worth it.   Not exactly sure how big a deterrent the penalty for going over the cap is?


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
@TSNScianitti
More #CFLFA chatter: Hearing from #CFL sources, Trevor Harris's destination could influence the decision of free agent wide receiver Greg Ellingson. It all comes down to right price for top talent, but Harris and Ellingson are very, very close.

@JDunk12
LB Larry Dean agrees to terms with #Eskimos https://3downnation.com/2019/02/12/lb-larry-dean-agrees-to-terms-with-eskimos/ ? #Edmonton #CFLEsks #HamOnt #Ticats #CFL


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: bryan35 on February 12, 2019, 04:44:21 PM
LB Larry Dean agrees to terms with #Eskimos


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Tehedra on February 12, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
I'm not sure how he couldn't go over....but hey if it gets you a GC then paying the cap fine might be worth it.   Not exactly sure how big a deterrent the penalty for going over the cap is?

If I recall its a match dollar for dollar over the limit plus possibility of losing draft picks; however; if you treat the draft as a crap shoot and figure most players will hit FA anyways. You might re-adjust your mentality and say hey that is a risk we are willing to take.


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: The Zipp on February 12, 2019, 04:45:52 PM
Just for housekeeping we will lock this thread and use the new one


Title: Re: CFL Signings/News
Post by: Jets on February 12, 2019, 04:48:47 PM
http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=51381.0