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Title: Bighill
Post by: thunderNlightning on November 19, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
Heard his post game interview in CJOB today and asked about coming back. I realize emotions are high after a big loss like yesterday. But it didn?t sound very positive as he said his wife is from Vancouver and something about doing what?s best for his family. Either way it did not sound positive. Would be a devastating loss.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 19, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
The Lions don't need a MLB LB.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Fred C Dobbs on November 19, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
I really hope that Ed Hervy throws a truck load of money at Mike Reilly so that he won't be able to afford Bighill.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 19, 2018, 05:59:35 PM
We'll have to see. He's obviously upset about the loss in the postgame interview. BC is probably his first choice and they may be in for a substantial overhaul this offseason with Wally out.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 19, 2018, 06:02:41 PM
We'll have to see. He's obviously upset about the loss in the postgame interview. BC is probably his first choice and they may be in for a substantial overhaul this offseason with Wally out.

Sure but does he want to go to a team that doesn't need a MLB, finished 4th in the west and will have new coaches?

Bighill may leave for another team but I don't believe it's Vancouver.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: the paw on November 19, 2018, 06:24:14 PM
Sure but does he want to go to a team that doesn't need a MLB, finished 4th in the west and will have new coaches?

Bighill may leave for another team but I don't believe it's Vancouver.

Bighill played WIL beside Elimimian for a number of years, at a very high level.  He doesn't have to be MLB to be dominant.

Without knowing who the new coaches are, it may be a good thing or a bad thing.  But coaching, last year's finish and money are three factors.  Keeping the wife happy is also a factor  .I think Bighill had a good experience here and he respects O'Shea.  Those work in our favour.  But he could easily end up in BC as well. 

Depending on the CBA and how quickly that resolves, we are likely to see a ton of roster movement between teams this year because of the number of one year contracts expiring.  I don't think we can assume anything about who will have similar approaches to cap or ratio strategies at this point.   Heck, Hervey may decide he wants Bighill instead of Elimimian, and go after Reilly. 

I think Bighill had a good experience here and he respects O'Shea.  Those work in our favour. 


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 19, 2018, 06:37:36 PM
Bighill played WIL beside Elimimian for a number of years, at a very high level.  He doesn't have to be MLB to be dominant.

Without knowing who the new coaches are, it may be a good thing or a bad thing.  But coaching, last year's finish and money are three factors.  Keeping the wife happy is also a factor  .I think Bighill had a good experience here and he respects O'Shea.  Those work in our favour.  But he could easily end up in BC as well. 

Depending on the CBA and how quickly that resolves, we are likely to see a ton of roster movement between teams this year because of the number of one year contracts expiring.  I don't think we can assume anything about who will have similar approaches to cap or ratio strategies at this point.   Heck, Hervey may decide he wants Bighill instead of Elimimian, and go after Reilly. 

I think Bighill had a good experience here and he respects O'Shea.  Those work in our favour. 

I know Bighill played WIL in Vancouver but a MLB makes more than a WIL normally.

Lions also have Lokombo, Herdman and Awe. A couple might be potential free agents but LB is not an area of need. Two of those guys are Canadian so ratio comes into play as well.



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: the paw on November 19, 2018, 06:52:43 PM
I know Bighill played WIL in Vancouver but a MLB makes more than a WIL normally.

Lions also have Lokombo, Herdman and Awe. A couple might be potential free agents but LB is not an area of need. Two of those guys are Canadian so ratio comes into play as well.



I don't think its true that MLB's make more than WIL, it depends on the players.  I bet Simoni Lawrence makes more than Dean for example. 

But I hear you, the Lions do have linebacker assets.  I don't think Herdman has the footspeed to be a regular starter, that's why he lost his job to Awe this year as Elimimian's replacement.  But Awe is definitely a talent, as is Lokombo.   

That is why I think there might be a change that Hervey might move on from Elimimian in favour of Bighill.  Elimimian's contract is up, he is 2 years older than Bighill, coming off a significant injury, and he makes top coin.

But who knows, Bighill could end up signing in Toronto, Regina or Winnipeg as easily as going back to BC.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 19, 2018, 06:55:28 PM
I don't think its true that MLB's make more than WIL, it depends on the players.  I bet Simoni Lawrence makes more than Dean for example. 

But I hear you, the Lions do have linebacker assets.  I don't think Herdman has the footspeed to be a regular starter, that's why he lost his job to Awe this year as Elimimian's replacement.  But Awe is definitely a talent, as is Lokombo.   

That is why I think there might be a change that Hervey might move on from Elimimian in favour of Bighill.  Elimimian's contract is up, he is 2 years older than Bighill, coming off a significant injury, and he makes top coin.

But who knows, Bighill could end up signing in Toronto, Regina or Winnipeg as easily as going back to BC.

Elimimian's injury was a wrist injury. Pretty much the same as Bighill's but worse extent. That's not a significant long term issue. 


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 19, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Heard his post game interview in CJOB today and asked about coming back. I realize emotions are high after a big loss like yesterday. But it didn?t sound very positive as he said his wife is from Vancouver and something about doing what?s best for his family. Either way it did not sound positive. Would be a devastating loss.

I think his interview came off very positively, he said he really enjoyed coming to work every day this year, but it's understandable he needs to hedge his bets heading into contract negotiations as the market is wide-open for him.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on November 19, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Vancouver could move on from Solly, who knows.  If they go after reilly, there might not be the money for a Bighill even without Solly... and they are going to have to pay Awe as well..  regardless. there should be some quality MLB beef on the market...


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on November 19, 2018, 07:10:26 PM
Bighill is going to commend far more money than he did when he was on the field at the same time as Solly. I highly doubt BC would want to sink so much money (2 top-tier MLB salary equivalents) in their LB corps.

I didn't hear the postgame but it sounds to me like Bighill is doing just a little negotiation PR with those types of comments, that he will go to a place that is entirely under his terms (family, money, starring role) and will not sign blindly with the Bombers just because the locker room has some nice guys. And I don't blame him. I think if we give him a market offer, he stays.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 19, 2018, 07:44:06 PM
The Bombers can't afford to lose Bighill. His addition to the defense, and by and large the team itself, was probably the most significant move this regime has made outside of Andrew Harris.

They gotta keep him.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 19, 2018, 07:55:24 PM
He sounded like a pending FA who wanted to keep as much leverage as he can. Standard stuff imo. I got no impression whatsoever that he wouldn't be willing to return. He was just making sure the Bombers knew it's gonna cost them.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: lenny on November 19, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
The D runs through Bighill. It would be a huge loss if he were signed somewhere else.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bustamente on November 19, 2018, 08:04:41 PM
He is # 1 on the pecking order to be resigned, we waited a long time for an MLB of his caliber.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blueraid on November 19, 2018, 08:05:09 PM
He sounded like a pending FA who wanted to keep as much leverage as he can. Standard stuff imo. I got no impression whatsoever that he wouldn't be willing to return. He was just making sure the Bombers knew it's gonna cost them.

Yes it will cost and we better be ready to pay....Can't lose that asset and besides Santos Knox will be totally lost without him....They were like brothers in arms this year...Stick around Biggie we need ya


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 19, 2018, 08:05:23 PM
I will be interested to see what happens in BC with Solly. The reason Bighill didn't return their in the first place was because Hervey didn't want to sink so much money into his LB's, and that hasn't changed. But I think Bighill is the better of the two at this point and Hervey was decide to trade up, if he can.

Anyways, hope he's back. He's as important to our team success as any guy in that locker room.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on November 19, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
I think Herdman mite be is an FA this year. Another Winnipeg boy comes home??


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: kkc60 on November 19, 2018, 08:24:41 PM
I think Herdman mite be is an FA this year. Another Winnipeg boy comes home??
Already re-upped with BC


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on November 19, 2018, 10:17:49 PM
I certainly hope that we can re-sign Bighill, especially since I believe that JSK also becomes a FA.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 19, 2018, 10:57:14 PM
I certainly hope that we can re-sign Bighill, especially since I believe that JSK also becomes a FA.

Need to find a way to re-sign both. They were an awesome tandem.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on November 19, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
Need to find a way to re-sign both. They were an awesome tandem.
I agree. IMO this is the best LB corps we've had since West, Jones and Battle.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: DM83 on November 20, 2018, 08:28:17 AM
Those two are a dynamic duo.
Bighill,is as good as. Gone.
If ya wanna come back here, ya don't mention your wife and want to keep the family happy.

Hes back to BC.  Those two ( Elominian and Bighill)may sign to play for less.  Awe is gone to the NFL.
Reilly and Bighill will aide in driving BC to the Grey Cup next yr.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 20, 2018, 12:04:52 PM
Man, if B.C. signed Bighill and Reilly, I would be seriously pissed.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bigbuff33 on November 20, 2018, 02:39:38 PM
Hervey will sign Bighill...both Biggy and Reilley to BC...
Hervey going to make a splash to fill seats


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 02:42:29 PM
Hervey will sign Bighill...both Biggy and Reilley to BC...
Hervey going to make a splash to fill seats

There is zero chance that all 3 of Bighill, Elimimian, and Reilly are on the same team next year unless Hervey wants to gut his SMS. That's a million dollars in 3 players in all likelihood.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 02:44:22 PM
Those two are a dynamic duo.
Bighill,is as good as. Gone.
If ya wanna come back here, ya don't mention your wife and want to keep the family happy.

Hes back to BC.  Those two ( Elominian and Bighill)may sign to play for less.  Awe is gone to the NFL.
Reilly and Bighill will aide in driving BC to the Grey Cup next yr.

You should know better than to take anything a pending FA says at face value. He's saying what he has to say in order to get the most milk money he can.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on November 20, 2018, 02:53:36 PM
Reilly will want $500K plus.
Bighill probably $225K plus.
Lemon $$$
Elimimian  $$$
Herdmen
Manny

Don't see how they can sign both.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
Reilly will want $500K plus.
Bighill probably $225K plus.
Lemon $$$
Elimimian  $$$
Herdmen
Manny

Don't see how they can sign both.

Solly makes 250k per. With Biggie and Reilly that's a 1000000+ on 3 IMPs. Not likely imo. Unless Hervey is willing to have a ton of rookies next year it just doesn't fit under the SMS.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on November 20, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
plus Lokombo isn't cheap....and if they want to retain Awe...he won't be cheap either...nor will Posey and Burnham...if they sign Biggie, keep Soloman and sign Reilly..several guys will be trimmed away


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 02:58:40 PM
Yes it will cost and we better be ready to pay....Can't lose that asset and besides Santos Knox will be totally lost without him....They were like brothers in arms this year...Stick around Biggie we need ya


Seeing JSK's growth this year, I think him at MLBer would not be the end of the world. However, gimme some more Bighill please.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 20, 2018, 03:08:39 PM
I'd be surprised and delighted if we can keep Bighill....but his heart is in BC along with his wife's family.  Can't blame him if he leaves us despite his affinity for MOS.  He's one of the best at his position and was the heart of our D so we will not be the same without him.   You just don't replace players of his caliber plus his ability to make everyone around him better.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
I'd be surprised and delighted if we can keep Bighill....but his heart is in BC along with his wife's family.  Can't blame him if he leaves us despite his affinity for MOS.  He's one of the best at his position and was the heart of our D so we will not be the same without him.   You just don't replace players of his caliber plus his ability to make everyone around him better.

Why does everyone think that BC's SMS structure has suddenly changed? I'm sure Biggie would love to get back to BC but I highly doubt he gives them a big hometown discount. He didn't last year, and I highly doubt he will again this year.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on November 20, 2018, 03:15:25 PM
Why does everyone think that BC's SMS structure has suddenly changed? I'm sure Biggie would love to get back to BC but I highly doubt he gives them a big hometown discount. He didn't last year, and I highly doubt he will again this year.
well if we do manage to keep him, rest assured we will be paying him top dollar....which I have absolutely no trouble with.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 03:17:20 PM
well if we do manage to keep him, rest assured we will be paying him top dollar....which I have absolutely no trouble with.

He's earned it. That's why I don't think he will be foolish enough to take anything less than he deserves. Who knows though....he may try the NFL again.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2018, 03:23:17 PM
Solly makes 250k per. With Biggie and Reilly that's a 1000000+ on 3 IMPs. Not likely imo. Unless Hervey is willing to have a ton of rookies next year it just doesn't fit under the SMS.

I think Solly is over-paid at $250,000 and if Biggie is looking for those type of $$ the Bombers have a serious problem.  I'd peg a top MLB at $200,000 and wouldn't go above that mark, same for a top Import receiver.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on November 20, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
then you wouldn't have a top guy in either of those positions then..


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: TBURGESS on November 20, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
BC could make the decision between Solly and Bighill. I'd take Bighill


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on November 20, 2018, 04:45:50 PM
Bighill back to BC will happen in my football opinion.

BC doesn't have much more tied up in SMS them most clubs.

This is not a knock against the Bombers, just my thoughts.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2018, 04:48:50 PM
then you wouldn't have a top guy in either of those positions then..

It's all relative, are the best performing players in the league in any given year always the highest paid?  I'd say no.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Knocker42 on November 20, 2018, 04:51:54 PM
I sure hope I'm wrong about this but ,after listening to his statement yesterday, I get the sinking feeling that he has already decided that he wants to return to his house and his wife's family in BC.  I'm hoping it's just a negotiating ploy  to get the Bombers to come up with an extra large offer.



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on November 20, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
I think he would like to go back to BC. The Lions could always trade or release Elimimian.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blueraid on November 20, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
There's going to be so much movement this offseason, because of uncertainty, that nobody's roster is anywhere near set for 19....We have a lot of fa's ...so do other clubs and the same amount of dollars as we have....I don't know what all the angst is about certain players leaving or staying when every club is going to be trying to keep what they have and is in just as much upheaval ...


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 05:45:38 PM
I think he would like to go back to BC. The Lions could always trade or release Elimimian.

How do you trade a MLB with a $250K salary and what assets would you have to give up to make that trade. Therefore I don't see the Lions being able to trade him. They certainly aren't going to release him outright.

There are only 9 teams and not many will be in the hunt for any MLB.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 20, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
Bighill back to BC will happen in my football opinion.

BC doesn't have much more tied up in SMS them most clubs.

This is not a knock against the Bombers, just my thoughts.

BC wouldn't go to 175k on Bighill last year, and are reportedly trying to get Reilly which would be a huge hit to their SMS as well. Let's not forget that their patchwork OL has gotta be a priority this offseason too. Who does Hervey get rid of to get Biggie his 200k+, sign Reilly, and fix his OL? He couldn't make the numbers work last year for a very reasonable Biggie contract. Something's gotta give. If BC signs Biggie there is no chance they go QB shopping.....and Hervey loves himself some QB shopping.

I get it that everyone is up in arms over a pretty benign statement by Bighill, but really it will boil down to the bucks...just as did this offseason when we signed him. If Bighill was dead set on staying home, he could have done that already.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Bombers_Fan on November 20, 2018, 06:03:01 PM
If it comes down to offering him roughly the same amount, he'll definitely choose BC. Because football careers are short, he can move back to BC when his playing days are done. Like all football players, he's one play away from retirement.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 06:17:31 PM
If it comes down to offering him roughly the same amount, he'll definitely choose BC. Because football careers are short, he can move back to BC when his playing days are done. Like all football players, he's one play away from retirement.

You're missing the point. There may not be a vacancy in Vancouver. Money and family are both considerations but the decision is cumulative on many factors.

I disagree that even money is the deciding factor, nor is family consideration.  We'll see how this works out.

As far as Vancouver it's going to be interesting to see who the new HC turns out to be for a starting point.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Bombers_Fan on November 20, 2018, 06:30:38 PM
I guess I didn't make my point clear. What I meant was if BC offers the same amount, he'll go there. From a person who is earning a salary, I would go where the most money is offered, unless it was on a team with no chance of winning. Bank what you can while you can, especially with contracts that are not guaranteed.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Cool Spot on November 20, 2018, 06:56:16 PM
What I meant was if BC offers the same amount, he'll go there. From a person who is earning a salary, I would go where the most money is offered, unless it was on a team with no chance of winning. Bank what you can while you can, especially with contracts that are not guaranteed.

Maybe.

It's not just about the money offered, but also how much you can hold onto due to taxes and cost-of-living. For example, a tech worker can make more in the Bay Area than in Seattle. However, California has state income taxes but Washington state does not. Also, housing is more expensive in the Bay Area than it is in Seattle, probably by around 25% (or more). Thus, you're not necessarily better off where more money is offered if they don't differ by that much, because hen you consider other factors it can balance out or tip the other way.

The cost-of-living in Vancouver is way higher than in Winnipeg (although I guess it depends on where players live year-round). So, to remain competitive with BC's offer from a financial perspective, they could probably match whatever BC does.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on November 20, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
How do you trade a MLB with a $250K salary and what assets would you have to give up to make that trade. Therefore I don't see the Lions being able to trade him. They certainly aren't going to release him outright.

There are only 9 teams and not many will be in the hunt for any MLB.
They would trade only if the allow a team to renegotiate with him first and if he agrees on a new deal..then they do it...


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2018, 07:13:39 PM
Seeing JSK's growth this year, I think him at MLBer would not be the end of the world. However, gimme some more Bighill please.

I'm now thinking JSK is not well-suited to MLB after witnessing what Bighill brings over an entire season, mostly due to his build he is better designed as a WIL, using his reach and speed to drop off into pass protection and covering sideline to sideline.  I want a MLB that has real bulk that can fight off blocks and pull RB's down using only his teeth.  We've witnessed an amazing performance from Bighill this season and now we've been spoiled, it's never going to be that good again.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 07:19:09 PM
They would trade only if the allow a team to renegotiate with him first and if he agrees on a new deal..then they do it...

Sure but I still find even that part of the possibilities as unlikely. Why would Solly be willing to do that? He has a contract. Either they pay him or cut him and I don't think that happens.

Let's suppose the unlikely happens and he re-negotiates within a trade. The new team is still going to be absorbing $200K ( just an arbitrary number at the moment ) AND is going to give up assets on top of that?

What we've seen in the past is that teams just wait until a player is released from the current team. Durant leaving Regina as a example. Bowman leaving Edmonton as another.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
I guess I didn't make my point clear. What I meant was if BC offers the same amount, he'll go there. From a person who is earning a salary, I would go where the most money is offered, unless it was on a team with no chance of winning. Bank what you can while you can, especially with contracts that are not guaranteed.

Your point was clear. How do you determine a team with a better chance of winning next year, particularly this year with the new CBA?

The Lions finished 5th and the Bombers finished 3rd and appeared in the WDF. No guarantee that happens in 2019 except the perception might be that Winnipeg has made the play offs for 3 years in a row. Bighill likes O'Shea and the team. Lions will have new yet unnamed coaches.

It really comes down to whether the Lions will even remotely consider trading or releasing Solly. While it's possible I don't believe that happens. Of course Bighill might leave Winnipeg but there may be 1 or 2 other teams that might look at him in free agency.

As good as he is, not every team will be budgeting a MLB as the highest paid defensive player on their roster. Every team is different and which veterans each team retains goes into the analysis.



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on November 20, 2018, 08:31:13 PM
I'm now thinking JSK is not well-suited to MLB after witnessing what Bighill brings over an entire season, mostly due to his build he is better designed as a WIL, using his reach and speed to drop off into pass protection and covering sideline to sideline.  I want a MLB that has real bulk that can fight off blocks and pull RB's down using only his teeth.  We've witnessed an amazing performance from Bighill this season and now we've been spoiled, it's never going to be that good again.

I forgot what an MLB was supposed to look like and how they were supposed to play until Biggie reminded me.

Can't go back to subpar MLBing after this year...


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 08:41:10 PM
I'm now thinking JSK is not well-suited to MLB after witnessing what Bighill brings over an entire season, mostly due to his build he is better designed as a WIL, using his reach and speed to drop off into pass protection and covering sideline to sideline.  I want a MLB that has real bulk that can fight off blocks and pull RB's down using only his teeth.  We've witnessed an amazing performance from Bighill this season and now we've been spoiled, it's never going to be that good again.

JSK is the same size as Singleton. A couple of inches taller than Elimimian but the same weight. He's 4" taller than Bighill but the same weight.

So I don't know JSK's size determines his suitability to play MLB.

JSK is also a free agent so even if we lose Bighill he may not be a candidate at MLB. There could be a domino effect with some LB's moving to new teams. It's a wait and see issue.

For the moment I see no reason we can't retain both our players but understand we could lose one or both.Walters has been pretty successful in retaining the players he wants.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on November 20, 2018, 08:46:43 PM
plus JSK has stated he wants to be here...so it is pretty much a given he will be I think


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 08:54:06 PM
plus JSK has stated he wants to be here...so it is pretty much a given he will be I think

Good to know. I'd be happy to get him back. Whether he becomes a possible replacement at MLB if we do lose Bighill is less of an issue for today. There is going to be some other talent at both MLB and WIL that will initially reach free agency.

Let Walters do his work and get our guys under contract. Preferably before free agency.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2018, 09:12:53 PM
Good to know. I'd be happy to get him back. Whether he becomes a possible replacement at MLB if we do lose Bighill is less of an issue for today. There is going to be some other talent at both MLB and WIL that will initially reach free agency.

Let Walters do his work and get our guys under contract. Preferably before free agency.

If they lose Bighill and JSK I would prefer going after an experienced CFL MLB rather than bringing in a bunch of talented rookies that are unable to get a handle on the job within their first year.  Seems to be the second most demanding job to grasp from a mental aspect after QB.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 09:16:27 PM
If they lose Bighill and JSK I would prefer going after an experienced CFL MLB rather than bringing in a bunch of talented rookies that are unable to get a handle on the job within their first year.  Seems to be the second most demanding job to grasp from a mental aspect after QB.

Agreed in full but it's not like there are a dozen of them going to be available. We know what we have in Bighill so that's the goal to re-sign him.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2018, 09:37:46 PM
Agreed in full but it's not like there are a dozen of them going to be available. We know what we have in Bighill so that's the goal to re-sign him.

...and that's what scares the **** out of me!  I can't even remember the name of the last MLB the Bombers had who was great at that position, they had a few that did okay like Bass, but nobody who was anywhere near as good as Bighill.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Knocker42 on November 20, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
Greg Battle was dominant in his day.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 20, 2018, 10:36:01 PM
To me that season ending interview with Biggie was not at all encouraging. I think he is as good as gone and is heading west next season. Sounded to me like his wife won?t stand for him playing so far away again.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 20, 2018, 10:44:08 PM
...and that's what scares the **** out of me!  I can't even remember the name of the last MLB the Bombers had who was great at that position, they had a few that did okay like Bass, but nobody who was anywhere near as good as Bighill.

I've lost track but I thought Singleton was a free agent and might be considering a shot in the NFL. Bear Woods is also a potential free agent I think. Solly has been discussed.

So. If Bighill chooses to go to BC, Singleton goes to NFL, then Calgary could have interest in trading for Solly. Aside from the SMS issue they could trade the Lions a half dozen receivers they can't keep and the Lions could be interested.

I don't really want Woods ( injury history ) but he's not a horrible option if we lose some of our talent. In a perfect world we'd get Singleton but that ain't going to happen.

As they say, all I want for Christmas is Bighill signed before the end of 2018.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2018, 11:13:14 PM
Greg Battle was dominant in his day.

I was hoping we wouldn't have to stretch back 28 years to come up with a good one.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 21, 2018, 12:39:30 AM
I was hoping we wouldn't have to stretch back 28 years to come up with a good one.

Lobendahn was pretty good for the Bombers during his tenure (2008-2011). Unfortunately, he got hurt during that 2011 campaign and that was that.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: thunderNlightning on November 21, 2018, 12:54:58 AM
To me that season ending interview with Biggie was kit at al encouraging. I think he is as good as gone and is heading west next season. Sounded to me like his wife won?t stand for him playing so far away again.

Same exact feeling I get as well and what I took from his interview. I think he is as good as gone.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on November 21, 2018, 05:08:33 PM
Happy wife, happy life.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 21, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Does no one remember Barrin Simpson?


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 21, 2018, 05:19:17 PM
Same exact feeling I get as well and what I took from his interview. I think he is as good as gone.

Relax gentlemen....relax. Pending FA's are often non-committal about returning because that's what gets them the big dollars. It's called leverage, and even if Bighill desperately wanted to return this is what he'd be saying right now.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Nic16 on November 21, 2018, 05:40:43 PM
Wanting to go back to BC and getting the job opportunity to fulfill that wish are 2 different things.

- Solly is BC?s leader on D, and saved a lot of wear & tear on his body this year by sitting on the IR.
- Herdmann (plays both MLB & WIL) impressed while Solly was out and had his contract extended.
- Lokombo is their starting WIL, but currently a FA that will not come cheap. BC wanted him back after his NFL aspirations ended and will likely want him back next year.

BC having 2 NAT LBs capable of starting would be a real nice advantage once Solly?s contract is up.

So you have to ask:

1. How much of the SMS can BC really afford to allocate to the LB positions?
2. Does Hervey want to stunt Herdmann?s growth by bringing in Biggie.
3. Would BC actually be willing to let Lokombo walk?
2. With Biggie early into the back 9 of his career how much of a hometown discount can he afford to accept?


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 21, 2018, 05:45:21 PM
Solly is 32 and Bighill is 30. Both are very athletic freaks of nature. Not sure if the 2 years older is too relevant now. Maybe maybe not.

Like all teams it comes down to SMS and how the roster is made up. Part of that is decided by the uncontrollable issues that come up in free agency.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 21, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
Wanting to go back to BC and getting the job opportunity to fulfill that wish are 2 different things.

- Solly is BC?s leader on D, and saved a lot of wear & tear on his body this year by sitting on the IR.
- Herdmann (plays both MLB & WIL) impressed while Solly was out and had his contract extended.
- Lokombo is their starting WIL, but currently a FA that will not come cheap. BC wanted him back after his NFL aspirations ended and will likely want him back next year.

BC having 2 NAT LBs capable of starting would be a real nice advantage once Solly?s contract is up.

So you have to ask:

1. How much of the SMS can BC really afford to allocate to the LB positions?
2. Does Hervey want to stunt Herdmann?s growth by bringing in Biggie.
3. Would BC actually be willing to let Lokombo walk?
2. With Biggie early into the back 9 of his career how much of a hometown discount can he afford to accept?


I think the biggest factor is if Hervey lands Reilly or not and how much of the SMS that chews up. 


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on November 21, 2018, 07:18:22 PM
Reilly will stay in Edmonton so the Lions will have amble SMS to sign Bighill.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Nic16 on November 21, 2018, 07:22:36 PM
I think the biggest factor is if Hervey lands Reilly or not and how much of the SMS that chews up. 
Absolutely...because he won?t come cheap! Although a small ?close? to hometown discount could probably be worked out by using future front office employment opportunities as a selling tool. Along with...the money we save on you could be used to bring Biggie home too.

Let?s face it, playing half of the rest of your career in the warm confines of a dome and being close to home with a long term job opportunity in the game you love...what could possibly be offered up by another team to trump that!


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Nic16 on November 21, 2018, 07:23:46 PM
Reilly will stay in Edmonton so the Lions will have amble SMS to sign Bighill.

A Rider fan has spoken so it shall be!


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on November 21, 2018, 07:29:37 PM
Just my CFL opinion.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 21, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
Absolutely...because he won?t come cheap! Although a small ?close? to hometown discount could probably be worked out by using future front office employment opportunities as a selling tool. Along with...the money we save on you could be used to bring Biggie home too.

Let?s face it, playing half of the rest of your career in the warm confines of a dome and being close to home with a long term job opportunity in the game you love...what could possibly be offered up by another team to trump that!

I actually wouldn't mind seeing this happen, might revive interest in the Lions and improve ticket sales in BC.  Edm. will eventually recover, they're hardy, I don't mind watching them struggle.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 21, 2018, 08:07:22 PM
Reilly will stay in Edmonton so the Lions will have amble SMS to sign Bighill.

Hervey didn't sign Bighill because he didn't want such a large percentage of the cap tied up in the LB core. Nothing has changed on that front. So unless they decide to cut Solly in favour of Bighill, I don't see how that happens.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on November 21, 2018, 08:13:57 PM
Ridermania is a want to be bomber fan, that's why he hangs out here so much.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on November 21, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
Andrew Harris needs to get on his phone and convince Bighills wife that it's better here.  :D


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: lenny on November 21, 2018, 08:38:08 PM
Just my CFL opinion.

You mean Jones and him can't unite again?


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Old Rusty on November 21, 2018, 10:00:07 PM
Need to sign Bighill. This is not a want, this is a need.

Santos-Knox would be great too. 


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: TBURGESS on November 22, 2018, 12:32:14 AM
Bighill was our best defensive player. I shudder to think what our D would look like without him and I hope I don't have to find out next year.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2018, 03:57:43 AM
I think Reilly will sign in Edmonton and Bighill will go back as well...unfortunately.

Hope that is wrong.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bluebeard on November 22, 2018, 02:08:43 PM
I can see that, as our biggest problem here on the prairies in one word... WINTER. :'(


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on November 22, 2018, 02:27:56 PM
Ridermania is a want to be bomber fan, that's why he hangs out here so much.

Off to Edmonton today and then Touchdown Manitoba on Friday to visit wanna be Rider fans!!!



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: rubanski on November 22, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
You mean Jones and him can't unite again?

Never thought of that. Wouldn't that be crazy. Would suck to see a real QB playing there. They also paid Collaros so much friggin cheddar, they'd be well on their way to affording that salary without him.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 22, 2018, 04:06:14 PM
Need to sign Bighill. This is not a want, this is a need.

Santos-Knox would be great too. 

I couldn't agree more. They were amazing this season.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on November 22, 2018, 06:41:27 PM
Bighill was our best defensive player. I shudder to think what our D would look like without him and I hope I don't have to find out next year.

True, but I'm hoping that if that were to happen, we throw money at a proven name, such as Solly if he becomes available. Depends what the MLB FA list is like.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 22, 2018, 07:09:02 PM
True, but I'm hoping that if that were to happen, we throw money at a proven name, such as Solly if he becomes available. Depends what the MLB FA list is like.

How many dominant run-stopping MLB's are there in the league, maybe 4 or 5 if you include Muamba and Lawrence?  The RB's seem to have done okay without one, if the Bombers can not retain Bighill they will most likely have to make do without one as well.  That could mean JSK at MLB with Wilson or whoever best fills in at WIL, not ideal but maybe okay.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on November 22, 2018, 08:16:18 PM
How many dominant run-stopping MLB's are there in the league, maybe 4 or 5 if you include Muamba and Lawrence?  The RB's seem to have done okay without one, if the Bombers can not retain Bighill they will most likely have to make do without one as well.  That could mean JSK at MLB with Wilson or whoever best fills in at WIL, not ideal but maybe okay.

Uh maybe. All I know is that our D was far and away better with a legit elite MLB. It's a pretty important position.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Fred C Dobbs on November 22, 2018, 09:30:28 PM

Milt Stegall
‏Verified account @MiltStegallTSN
12m12 minutes ago

Milt Stegall Retweeted CFL News

Just saw the @CFLPA all star team. The players usually get it right, and each year they?re always players left off who deserve to be on. BUT @Bighill44 BEING LEFT OFF IS A TOTAL DISGRACE. Didn?t get it right this year. #PaperPlates


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 22, 2018, 09:33:32 PM
Milt Stegall
‏Verified account @MiltStegallTSN
12m12 minutes ago

Milt Stegall Retweeted CFL News

Just saw the @CFLPA all star team. The players usually get it right, and each year they?re always players left off who deserve to be on. BUT @Bighill44 BEING LEFT OFF IS A TOTAL DISGRACE. Didn?t get it right this year. #PaperPlates

There  are a couple of shockers on that list.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2018, 09:43:45 PM
Did overrated loud mouth Simoni Lawrence get it instead?


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 22, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
Milt Stegall
‏Verified account @MiltStegallTSN
12m12 minutes ago

Milt Stegall Retweeted CFL News

Just saw the @CFLPA all star team. The players usually get it right, and each year they?re always players left off who deserve to be on. BUT @Bighill44 BEING LEFT OFF IS A TOTAL DISGRACE. Didn?t get it right this year. #PaperPlates
I hate this league sometimes and all in it.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on November 22, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
Did overrated loud mouth Simoni Lawrence get it instead?
No he's the WIL. They gave MLB to Singleton.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: DM83 on November 22, 2018, 11:17:54 PM
WHAT,  that's the worst thing I have ever heard of.!   Bighill was by far the greatest solidifying factor of any player on any football team this year.

He should have been the MOP never mind defensive player of the year.

I thought Lawremce and Dean were good, until I watched the Ottawa semi final.
Those guys. Didn't fill holes, and didn't even pursue". What are they prom queens.your linebacker better relish contact and inflict his will and punish ball carriers.  No one else did it like Bighill. Whats up with that?


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 23, 2018, 12:10:19 AM
No he's the WIL. They gave MLB to Singleton.

Over JSK?

JSK needs to dance and be a loud mouth clown every play.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 23, 2018, 08:25:27 PM
Everything Biggie says sounds like he is as good as gone. :'(

No hard feelings from me, but,  :-\


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2018, 08:50:24 PM
Nobody should be too surprised with Bighill. IIRC, his wife works in BC and they have a residence there.

It is, however, very disappointing to know he likely won't be back here in 2019. He became a fan favourite so quickly, on and off the field. Just a class act and good human all-around.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 23, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
Impossible not to be a fan of the guy.

I believe he is from Washington as well.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on November 24, 2018, 05:55:44 PM
Love Bighill, but signing Chungh, Goossen, Loffler is also very important.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bluebeard on November 24, 2018, 09:26:48 PM
Bighill was our best defensive player. I shudder to think what our D would look like without him and I hope I don't have to find out next year.

I shudder at the thought.  Bighill is to the defense as Harris is to the offense.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on November 24, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
Exactly.  Not resigning him is not an option or we re back to square one with a defence that can?t stop the run


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Knocker42 on November 24, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
Bombers will do everything possible to get Bighill signed, including offering a pile of cash but if "she who must be obeyed" insists on going "home' no amount of money will be enough to keep him here.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 24, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Bombers will do everything possible to get Bighill signed, including offering a pile of cash but if "she who must be obeyed" insists on going "home' no amount of money will be enough to keep him here.

It's not like a Bighill and his family can just decide to go to BC. They turned him down last off season, I have little reason to believe this year is any different unless they move on from Solly.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 24, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
It's not like a Bighill and his family can just decide to go to BC. They turned him down last off season, I have little reason to believe this year is any different unless they move on from Solly.

Or, they ask him to move to WIL, which he played before.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: fansince79 on November 25, 2018, 12:10:28 AM
With Solly already there and if BC takes a serious run at Reilly and they land him would they be willing to have that much cap space tied up in 3 players including Bighill? Asking for a friend. 


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 25, 2018, 02:58:59 AM
I wonder if the NFL window is totally closed.

I know his age, but the guy can run, and he would contribute on special teams.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: kkc60 on November 25, 2018, 04:08:26 AM
I wonder if the NFL window is totally closed.

I know his age, but the guy can run, and he would contribute on special teams.
He had an NFL offer when he signed here. Most likely the window is closed


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 25, 2018, 04:57:05 AM
He had an NFL offer when he signed here. Most likely the window is closed

He decided to play rather than sit on a PR.

Some team may give him a shot on an AR.



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on November 25, 2018, 06:09:33 AM
Or, they ask him to move to WIL, which he played before.

And pay the price of 2 elite MLBs in one LB corps?

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb..


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 25, 2018, 06:42:03 PM
Or, they ask him to move to WIL, which he played before.

It has zero to do with position. Hervey didn't want to sink that much money into his LB core. You can be paying two LBs over 200K.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 25, 2018, 07:30:03 PM
You guys are assuming the Lions would not deal Solomon either.

Not exactly untouchable. He missed most of the year.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on November 25, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
BC didn't have money in the SMS to be able to afford Bighill. Besides if his wife really wants to go back to Vancouver then he'll probably go at a lower price.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 25, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
BC didn't have money in the SMS to be able to afford Bighill. Besides if his wife really wants to go back to Vancouver then he'll probably go at a lower price.

He became available late in the year and Hervey was trying to fix the OL (they will be coming hard at our FAs).

Elimimian is 32 right now. Could easily see him being flipped to another team or released. Bighill is a couple of years younger and brings more to the table.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 25, 2018, 08:27:44 PM
He became available late in the year and Hervey was trying to fix the OL (they will be coming hard at our FAs).

Elimimian is 32 right now. Could easily see him being flipped to another team or released. Bighill is a couple of years younger and brings more to the table.

As much as I like Bighill, Elimimian is a better MLB. I don't think Solly gets released since that's a horrible waste of a top talent and asset. Whether he might be traded is really hard to say. I can't really see that happening with his SMS deal and I see know reason why he'd re-negotiate.

Lot's of speculation about Bighill leaving and that may come to pass. I think there is a higher chance he leaves for another team other than the Lions. My guess would be Calgary if they lose Singleton.



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 25, 2018, 08:33:37 PM
I don't think SE is better than Bighill.

Of course you want to get something in a trade, and you should, but it foesn't always go down that way.

Bighill could end up in Calgary, I agree with that.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bustamente on November 25, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Sure sounds like there are a lot of circumstances that will hinder the Bombers from re signing Bighill, possibly his wife, maybe another crack at the NFL, and other teams, off season should be interesting


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on November 26, 2018, 02:02:19 AM
I don't think SE is better than Bighill.

Of course you want to get something in a trade, and you should, but it foesn't always go down that way.

Bighill could end up in Calgary, I agree with that.

Solly was better when they both played in Vancouver. Nothing changed the fact he was defensive player of the year twice.

Bighill made a bigger impression with Winnipeg because we suffered so long without a talented MLB.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on November 26, 2018, 03:52:44 AM
I don't think SE is better than Bighill.

Of course you want to get something in a trade, and you should, but it foesn't always go down that way.

Bighill could end up in Calgary, I agree with that.
How is bighill ending up in Calgary??


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Tehedra on November 26, 2018, 02:31:16 PM
How is bighill ending up in Calgary??

Because we sign Singleton of course to help with our national talent


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on November 26, 2018, 11:10:10 PM
He chose us once and there is very little reason to believe that he won't choose us again. A lot of people are going off the deep end because Bighill was non commital. He is a pending FA looking for a big raise. These are the type of comments to expect. They mean nothing more than show me the money. The Bombers are calling him an offseason priority. If they had no chance of signing him they wouldn't be saying that.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Nic16 on November 26, 2018, 11:23:01 PM
He chose us once and there is very little reason to believe that he won't choose us again. A lot of people are going off the deep end because Bighill was non commital. He is a pending FA looking for a big raise. These are the type of comments to expect. They mean nothing more than show me the money. The Bombers are calling him an offseason priority. If they had no chance of signing him they wouldn't be saying that.

Sign Reilly to keep him away from BC, and Biggie just may be more inclined to stick with a real GC contender. ;)


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Knocker42 on November 26, 2018, 11:25:04 PM
Sign Reilly to keep him away from BC, and Biggie just may be more inclined to stick with a real GC contender. ;)
Not sure the bucks are there to pay both Bighill and Reilly.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on November 26, 2018, 11:31:06 PM
They?re there...we sign reilly , we cut Nichols, and start peterman vs Demski. There?s lots of room to make this happen


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Nic16 on November 26, 2018, 11:48:19 PM
Not sure the bucks are there to pay both Bighill and Reilly.

If BC signs Reilly do you honestly think they will go into the season without either Solly or Biggie as their leader on D??


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on November 27, 2018, 12:09:29 AM
How is bighill ending up in Calgary??

Signing a contract, most likely.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bluebeard on November 27, 2018, 01:44:49 AM
Because we sign Singleton of course to help with our national talent

Singleton in all probability will be getting offers from some NFL teams or so the rumor goes.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on November 27, 2018, 01:59:00 AM
Because we sign Singleton of course to help with our national talent
Bahahaha!!!! That?s the best joke I ve heard in a long time. Never ever will happen. He tries the NFL and if he doesn?t catch on there, which he won?t, he comes back and signs with Calgary. You think Huffer is going to let him go?!? Never


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on November 27, 2018, 02:23:53 AM
Bob Irving was on the CJOB sports show this evening and he said that if the Bombers lose Bighill it won"t be because they were outbid by anybody. So this won't be about money.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on November 27, 2018, 04:18:26 AM
Bob Irving was on the CJOB sports show this evening and he said that if the Bombers lose Bighill it won"t be because they were outbid by anybody. So this won't be about money.

I don't think anyone thinks it is.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
Bahahaha!!!! That?s the best joke I ve heard in a long time. Never ever will happen. He tries the NFL and if he doesn?t catch on there, which he won?t, he comes back and signs with Calgary. You think Huffer is going to let him go?!? Never

Buono couldn't hold on to Bighill or Harris..... Popp couldn't keep Posey.. Claybrooks will probably be in BC or Toronto, there are so many reasons players move when they come back from the NFL,,,  I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another "Muamba tour" in Singkleton's case...


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bustamente on November 27, 2018, 02:53:17 PM
Have to say that I wont be surprised if we can't re sign Bighill, it was perfect circumstance that brought him here last season.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2018, 03:23:10 PM
Have to say that I wont be surprised if we can't re sign Bighill, it was perfect circumstance that brought him here last season.

Circumstances haven't really changed.  Here's hoping Walters can pull off some magic...


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Bombers9256 on December 04, 2018, 04:36:47 AM
I had a nice chat with Craig Roh at the locker room sale. I asked him about Adam Bighill's insinuation that doing what's best for his family might send him back to BC. Roh said, unequivocally, that Biggie LOVES Winnipeg and will stay if the money's right. And those two are tight; case in point, Roh said he and his wife were waiting in the locker room to hang out with Biggie and his wife and kids. Sure enough the Bighills showed up as I was leaving. I found this encouraging. As an aside, Roh and his wife were super friendly and said they had decided to stay in Winnipeg for the offseason because they loved it so much. Finally, Carol Barrott also told me Biggie loves it here especially because he is very invested in his charity work, which gets much bigger play here than in BC because of the fan interest and player noteriety here vs BC.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 04, 2018, 06:18:21 AM
I had a nice chat with Craig Roh at the locker room sale. I asked him about Adam Bighill's insinuation that doing what's best for his family might send him back to BC. Roh said, unequivocally, that Biggie LOVES Winnipeg and will stay if the money's right. And those two are tight; case in point, Roh said he and his wife were waiting in the locker room to hang out with Biggie and his wife and kids. Sure enough the Bighills showed up as I was leaving. I found this encouraging. As an aside, Roh and his wife were super friendly and said they had decided to stay in Winnipeg for the offseason because they loved it so much. Finally, Carol Barrott also told me Biggie loves it here especially because he is very invested in his charity work, which gets much bigger play here than in BC because of the fan interest and player noteriety here vs BC.
that does sound encouraging.....we need to sign him for whatever it takes....he is the leagues MODP!!  He makes everyone around him better.....he gave us a chance to beat the Stamps in the WSF but our offensive game plan wasn't good enough to best their D.   


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on December 04, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
I had a nice chat with Craig Roh at the locker room sale. I asked him about Adam Bighill's insinuation that doing what's best for his family might send him back to BC. Roh said, unequivocally, that Biggie LOVES Winnipeg and will stay if the money's right. And those two are tight; case in point, Roh said he and his wife were waiting in the locker room to hang out with Biggie and his wife and kids. Sure enough the Bighills showed up as I was leaving. I found this encouraging. As an aside, Roh and his wife were super friendly and said they had decided to stay in Winnipeg for the offseason because they loved it so much. Finally, Carol Barrott also told me Biggie loves it here especially because he is very invested in his charity work, which gets much bigger play here than in BC because of the fan interest and player noteriety here vs BC.

This makes sense to me. Also, it explains why Bighill sounds hesitant to re-sign to the media, citing family, circumstance, etc...but we all know that he was in negotiations the second we were eliminated and has to say those things to gain as much leverage as possible right from the get-go. Everyone knows he's our priority signing. Everyone knows he wants and deserves to get paid as much as possible. And, I think, we all suspect that he really does like it here and that as long as Walters gives him a great deal (he should, and will), that we will get him back. I fully expect that to happen.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 04, 2018, 02:39:17 PM
With 30 players to re-sign/replace, Kyle Walters would not waste 5 seconds of his time suggesting to the media that Biggie is an offseason priority, if he didn't think their was a strong chance of getting him back.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on December 04, 2018, 05:13:05 PM
I had a nice chat with Craig Roh at the locker room sale. I asked him about Adam Bighill's insinuation that doing what's best for his family might send him back to BC. Roh said, unequivocally, that Biggie LOVES Winnipeg and will stay if the money's right. And those two are tight; case in point, Roh said he and his wife were waiting in the locker room to hang out with Biggie and his wife and kids. Sure enough the Bighills showed up as I was leaving. I found this encouraging. As an aside, Roh and his wife were super friendly and said they had decided to stay in Winnipeg for the offseason because they loved it so much. Finally, Carol Barrott also told me Biggie loves it here especially because he is very invested in his charity work, which gets much bigger play here than in BC because of the fan interest and player noteriety here vs BC.

I love Roh. Him and his family being here certainly doesn?t hurt our chances with Bighill.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blueraid on December 04, 2018, 05:14:19 PM
I would say that Bighill would be heading back to the coast EXCEPT for the fact he loves it here....loves playing for Mike O..AND he doesn't even know who's going to be the next head honcho in B.C.for another...I say we come up with the cash to re-up him and he is part of a Grey Cup winner in 19'...It'll be great having Adam back for another shot at winning it all


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 04, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
I would say that Bighill would be heading back to the coast EXCEPT for the fact he loves it here....loves playing for Mike O..AND he doesn't even know who's going to be the next head honcho in B.C.for another...I say we come up with the cash to re-up him and he is part of a Grey Cup winner in 19'...It'll be great having Adam back for another shot at winning it all

Bighill definitely gets more spotlight in Wpg. than he ever did in BC, as a big fish in a small pond he is acknowledged as the undisputed leader of the D, and off-field he can become as big a celebrity as he likes.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 04, 2018, 06:40:31 PM
that does sound encouraging.....we need to sign him for whatever it takes....he is the leagues MODP!!  He makes everyone around him better.....he gave us a chance to beat the Stamps in the WSF but our offensive game plan wasn't good enough to best their D.  

I would argue that our offensive execution was the problem. We hit two wide open receivers for 6's and we win that game. That was excellent game planning let down by poor QB play.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 04, 2018, 06:53:55 PM
I would argue that our offensive execution was the problem. We hit two wide open receivers for 6's and we win that game. That was excellent game planning let down by poor QB play.

Kinda, sorta. We really didn't generate very much in the game. Sure, if our QBs nail those throws they probably go for TDs, however, it's not like we were churning up the yards and giving ourselves lots of chances. We manufactured very little, which put our QBs in a position that in hindsight, required them to be perfect on a handful of throws. They were not. It's not terribly surprising either, as Streveler was coming off the bench cold and Nichols struggled with the deep ball for large stretches of the season. Still, you're probably right it had more to do with execution and going up against a well-rested, elite team on the road.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on December 04, 2018, 07:53:22 PM
I had a nice chat with Craig Roh at the locker room sale. I asked him about Adam Bighill's insinuation that doing what's best for his family might send him back to BC. Roh said, unequivocally, that Biggie LOVES Winnipeg and will stay if the money's right. And those two are tight; case in point, Roh said he and his wife were waiting in the locker room to hang out with Biggie and his wife and kids. Sure enough the Bighills showed up as I was leaving. I found this encouraging. As an aside, Roh and his wife were super friendly and said they had decided to stay in Winnipeg for the offseason because they loved it so much. Finally, Carol Barrott also told me Biggie loves it here especially because he is very invested in his charity work, which gets much bigger play here than in BC because of the fan interest and player noteriety here vs BC.
I'm also very encouraged by this. I understand why Bighill would want to take his time and do what is best for his family. I think that something that could be in our favour is that BC is hoping to sign Reilly so they have a chunk of money put aside to go after him. The Bombers have put their money aside for Bighill.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on December 04, 2018, 08:55:55 PM
all you have to take out of this...is the "if the money is right" statement...to me that tells me that it's a slam dunk he stays..unless Walters doesn't have a grasp on what his idea of a pile of money set aside for Bighill entails


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on December 04, 2018, 09:07:03 PM
I heard Bob Irving say a couple of weeks ago that whatever happens with Bighill it won't be because the Bombers were outbid. I think that they're willing to back up the truck.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: 123James321 on December 05, 2018, 06:01:08 PM
very good news... If money is what it is, Biggie will be back


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on December 05, 2018, 06:32:01 PM
Bighill playing for Claybrooks is an exciting situation for the Lions.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 05, 2018, 06:48:38 PM
Bighill playing for Claybrooks is an exciting situation for the Lions.

If Biggie goes to BC then Solly leaves. No way that Hervey is crazy enough to tie up 650k in his starting Lbers.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on December 05, 2018, 06:50:46 PM
If Biggie goes to BC then Solly leaves. No way that Hervey is crazy enough to tie up 650k in his starting Lbers.

650k, hey?

Source?


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on December 05, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
Solly is at 250k it was reported...and Biggie most likely be in that range...230 at the least I bet...and if they resign Awe..that will be at least 120k...and if it is Lokombo...being a proven National with NFL experience...likely more...so yup..at the very least 600+k in 3 linebackers...not to mention Herdman who resigned for I would bet closing in on the 85 to 90k range..a lot of scratch to pay when you still have to resign, or replace Burnham/Posey/Arcenault...not to mention add a top flight QB which may run into a real bidding war especially if BLM bolts to NFL and you could conceivably have 3-4 teams fighting over a couple guys...

Sure makes our situation look pretty good when we have a lot of our core money already allocated and we know what we have to spend on a key free agent without sacrificing other areas


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 05, 2018, 08:15:02 PM
650k, hey?

Source?

Bighill will probably get 250k, Solly 250, and then Lokombo at around 150k. If it's Awe then likely shave 30k off that number. Still an incredibly expensive trio of LBers. When you spend that kind of money on three defenders you either have to commit to starting 4-5 guys on rookie contracts around them and in a year where recruitment will be challenging I can't see that happening.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: the paw on December 05, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
Bighill will probably get 250k, Solly 250, and then Lokombo at around 150k. If it's Awe then likely shave 30k off that number. Still an incredibly expensive trio of LBers. When you spend that kind of money on three defenders you either have to commit to starting 4-5 guys on rookie contracts around them and in a year where recruitment will be challenging I can't see that happening.


I think you might be a little high.  Solly signed a  two year deal worth $225k plus another $20k in incentives (which he would not have reached this year), but I think he extended into 2019. 3downnation would only say he was "over $200k".

Being that as it may, I think you can sign Bighill for less than $250k, probably closer to $200k.  I think 150k for Lokombo is right. 

I would guess that it would take $575k for Bighill, Solly and Lokombo, which is still a pretty big ticket. My personal theory is Hervey only chases Bighill if he thinks Elimimian is turning out to be too expensive.



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on December 05, 2018, 08:46:54 PM

I think you might be a little high.  Solly signed a  two year deal worth $225k plus another $20k in incentives (which he would not have reached this year), but I think he extended into 2019. 3downnation would only say he was "over $200k".

Being that as it may, I think you can sign Bighill for less than $250k, probably closer to $200k.  I think 150k for Lokombo is right. 

I would guess that it would take $575k for Bighill, Solly and Lokombo, which is still a pretty big ticket. My personal theory is Hervey only chases Bighill if he thinks Elimimian is turning out to be too expensive.



The only way Bighill leaves for BC is if Solly goes elsewhere first. They are not both playing in BC.

Hervey is now GM. He does not want to invest that large of a percentage of the cap into one position group.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 05, 2018, 08:49:42 PM

I think you might be a little high.  Solly signed a  two year deal worth $225k plus another $20k in incentives (which he would not have reached this year), but I think he extended into 2019. 3downnation would only say he was "over $200k".

Being that as it may, I think you can sign Bighill for less than $250k, probably closer to $200k.  I think 150k for Lokombo is right. 

I would guess that it would take $575k for Bighill, Solly and Lokombo, which is still a pretty big ticket. My personal theory is Hervey only chases Bighill if he thinks Elimimian is turning out to be too expensive.



Whatever the hard numbers are we'll never know for sure, but I find it extremely doubtful that any team has two LBer at 200k on their team. It just puts too much SMS pressure on other areas of the team.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2018, 09:39:39 PM
With Miller and Briggs coming back, are they bringing Gauthier back too?  Or does the #44 jersey become available to entice Biggie back?  Or do they extend Gauthier at any other number than 44 should Biggie decide to return (give him a small bonus for a number change if Biggie re-signs, like $.5K)

Could being #44 be the push over the edge to get him back?

Probably not, but lets get out all the stops...



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 17, 2018, 09:46:53 PM
With Miller and Briggs coming back, are they bringing Gauthier back too?  Or does the #44 jersey become available to entice Biggie back?  Or do they extend Gauthier at any other number than 44 should Biggie decide to return (give him a small bonus for a number change if Biggie re-signs, like $.5K)

Could being #44 be the push over the edge to get him back?

Probably not, but lets get out all the stops...



If wearing the number was that big of a deal the Bombers would have intervened last season already.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2018, 10:19:59 PM
If wearing the number was that big of a deal the Bombers would have intervened last season already.

Pretty sure Biggie said he wouldn't want someone coming and asking for his number, so why should someone else have to give up theirs.  He is a team guy. Intervening with Gauthier, beyond the "Would you mind..." question would not be a team thing to do, and apparently Gauthier didn't want to give up the number (were I in Gauthier's shoes, I'm not sure which way I'd have gone, the "Hey, its my number, I'm keeping it" or "It would be an honor to give it to Biggie".  I think I'd be more the latter...).



Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: kkc60 on December 17, 2018, 10:39:44 PM
With Miller and Briggs coming back, are they bringing Gauthier back too?  Or does the #44 jersey become available to entice Biggie back?  Or do they extend Gauthier at any other number than 44 should Biggie decide to return (give him a small bonus for a number change if Biggie re-signs, like $.5K)

Could being #44 be the push over the edge to get him back?

Probably not, but lets get out all the stops...


I really hope youre joking


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 17, 2018, 11:03:03 PM
Pretty sure Biggie said he wouldn't want someone coming and asking for his number, so why should someone else have to give up theirs.  He is a team guy. Intervening with Gauthier, beyond the "Would you mind..." question would not be a team thing to do, and apparently Gauthier didn't want to give up the number (were I in Gauthier's shoes, I'm not sure which way I'd have gone, the "Hey, its my number, I'm keeping it" or "It would be an honor to give it to Biggie".  I think I'd be more the latter...).



Oh man....I thought you were joking about the number thing. This has you all tied up in knots. What number he has to wear is not going to be ANY factor whatsoever on where Biggie signs. Teams take numbers away from players all the time to give to newly acquired star players if the new player wants the number bad enough. They then tell the press it was the player that decided to give up the number and paint him as the nice guy to the press.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on December 17, 2018, 11:09:41 PM
The number preference of athlete's is always a touchy subject. I've never given a rip what number I was but hey, I m not a professional athlete who has a 'brand' to protect. I think Biggie's agent and the GM should have handled and addressed it during contract negotiations. If Biggie wanted the number, he should have  stated such to his agent/Walters, and Walters would have personally ripped the sweater off of Gauthier's back if it meant signing Biggie. If the number wasn't that big a deal to Biggie, then don't mention a word after you've signed as its just a clubhouse distraction.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 18, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
The number preference of athlete's is always a touchy subject. I've never given a rip what number I was but hey, I m not a professional athlete who has a 'brand' to protect. I think Biggie's agent and the GM should have handled and addressed it during contract negotiations. If Biggie wanted the number, he should have  stated such to his agent/Walters, and Walters would have personally ripped the sweater off of Gauthier's back if it meant signing Biggie. If the number wasn't that big a deal to Biggie, then don't mention a word after you've signed as its just a clubhouse distraction.

Biggie didn't mention it, he was asked about it and put the issue to bed rather quickly.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 18, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
Clearly, #44 wasn't the dealbreaker when he signed here last season. Why would it be any different now? ???

Biggie didn't mention it, he was asked about it and put the issue to bed rather quickly.

Exactly. Much ado about nothing as far as Bighill was concerned.

I'm pretty sure the number that does matter is the one preceded by the $ sign.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on December 18, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
With Miller and Briggs coming back, are they bringing Gauthier back too?  Or does the #44 jersey become available to entice Biggie back?  Or do they extend Gauthier at any other number than 44 should Biggie decide to return (give him a small bonus for a number change if Biggie re-signs, like $.5K)

Could being #44 be the push over the edge to get him back?

Probably not, but lets get out all the stops...



Yes. Gauthier is a very good ST player and still not going to be an overly expensive signing.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on December 18, 2018, 05:13:21 PM
Biggie didn't mention it, he was asked about it and put the issue to bed rather quickly.
Yes he did, he was all class about it....he let his play on the field speak for him, not the number on his back. Hope to heck we can sign him this season, he has to be our #1 priority.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on December 18, 2018, 06:29:15 PM
I certainly hope that the number Bighill wears is the least of what he wants. It is nice to see that he's tweeting about a Bomber signing though. Gives me hope that he'll re-sign here.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on December 19, 2018, 01:36:54 PM
Honestly think Bighill will be wearing orange next year.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blueraid on December 19, 2018, 02:38:37 PM
Honestly think Bighill will be wearing orange next year.

You mean he's going to jail......................well I guess it's better than wearing green in Regina


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: bluebeard on December 19, 2018, 03:26:02 PM
Honestly think Bighill will be wearing orange next year.
Think that you are wrong and I think Bighill will be back with us.  It was a good ploy to mention his wife knowing that it would get results.  The ball is in our court ? so to speak.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on December 19, 2018, 04:43:20 PM
You have to wonder, all things being equal, does Winnipeg win out over Vancouver.

Yes, she is from there.  And there is family involved.  So + to Vancouver.  But living here is at a fraction of the cost, they can live a much better lifestyle on fewer dollars, and be celebrities to boot, and do much more in the community...

Winnipeg has shown Biggie more love in one year than he ever got in YVR.  He has a great team of players around him, and a huge admirer in his HC.  Not sure if there is a connection with Claybrooks/Stubler, or if moving into that locker room being 2nd fiddle to Solly is what he wants/needs as a player, vs. being the head honcho and grand poobah here... that has to go a long way to deciding to stay here, job satisfaction.

Family is the one thing I worry about, that could sway him to go back to lotus land.  And no doubt Hervey knows that we are not as good a team without him, so there is that motivation to sign him out there, it improves BC and weakens us.

Its about as close to a toss up as it could be in my mind, but we might have a slight advantage. 


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 19, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
You have to wonder, all things being equal, does Winnipeg win out over Vancouver.

Yes, she is from there.  And there is family involved.  So + to Vancouver.  But living here is at a fraction of the cost, they can live a much better lifestyle on fewer dollars, and be celebrities to boot, and do much more in the community...

Winnipeg has shown Biggie more love in one year than he ever got in YVR.  He has a great team of players around him, and a huge admirer in his HC.  Not sure if there is a connection with Claybrooks/Stubler, or if moving into that locker room being 2nd fiddle to Solly is what he wants/needs as a player, vs. being the head honcho and grand poobah here... that has to go a long way to deciding to stay here, job satisfaction.

Family is the one thing I worry about, that could sway him to go back to lotus land.  And no doubt Hervey knows that we are not as good a team without him, so there is that motivation to sign him out there, it improves BC and weakens us.

Its about as close to a toss up as it could be in my mind, but we might have a slight advantage. 



Impossible to know.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on December 19, 2018, 04:54:58 PM
You have to wonder, all things being equal, does Winnipeg win out over Vancouver.

Yes, she is from there.  And there is family involved.  So + to Vancouver.  But living here is at a fraction of the cost, they can live a much better lifestyle on fewer dollars, and be celebrities to boot, and do much more in the community...

Winnipeg has shown Biggie more love in one year than he ever got in YVR.  He has a great team of players around him, and a huge admirer in his HC.  Not sure if there is a connection with Claybrooks/Stubler, or if moving into that locker room being 2nd fiddle to Solly is what he wants/needs as a player, vs. being the head honcho and grand poobah here... that has to go a long way to deciding to stay here, job satisfaction.

Family is the one thing I worry about, that could sway him to go back to lotus land.  And no doubt Hervey knows that we are not as good a team without him, so there is that motivation to sign him out there, it improves BC and weakens us.

Its about as close to a toss up as it could be in my mind, but we might have a slight advantage. 


How have we shown him more love? You're just talking out of your butt aards.

We don't even know if the Lions are players. He might go into FA and have a team throw him a deal like the Als did to Westerman.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on December 19, 2018, 05:22:13 PM
You have to wonder, all things being equal, does Winnipeg win out over Vancouver.

Yes, she is from there.  And there is family involved.  So + to Vancouver.  But living here is at a fraction of the cost, they can live a much better lifestyle on fewer dollars, and be celebrities to boot, and do much more in the community...

Winnipeg has shown Biggie more love in one year than he ever got in YVR.  He has a great team of players around him, and a huge admirer in his HC.  Not sure if there is a connection with Claybrooks/Stubler, or if moving into that locker room being 2nd fiddle to Solly is what he wants/needs as a player, vs. being the head honcho and grand poobah here... that has to go a long way to deciding to stay here, job satisfaction.

Family is the one thing I worry about, that could sway him to go back to lotus land.  And no doubt Hervey knows that we are not as good a team without him, so there is that motivation to sign him out there, it improves BC and weakens us.

Its about as close to a toss up as it could be in my mind, but we might have a slight advantage. 


Both teams have nearly 30 potential free agents so we can't really say the Bombers have a solid team surrounding him on the roster. Ditto for the Lions.

Now we can say our coaching staff is more stable and he has respect for O'Shea and the cost of living is much less in Winnipeg.

While money won't be the only factor I'd say we have a very good chance of getting Bighill to re-sign back in Winnipeg.

Nothing is a certainty and I think if we get some of our other vets to re-sign, each will be encouraging to the others to think about their time in Winnipeg.

If we get the bulk of our potential free agents back we will have a solid group of players.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: the paw on December 19, 2018, 05:29:08 PM
How have we shown him more love? You're just talking out of your butt aards.

We don't even know if the Lions are players. He might go into FA and have a team throw him a deal like the Als did to Westerman.

He's gonna get paid, no matter what. 

He enjoyed his year here, had some success, and fits with coaching staff.  All plus factors for us.

The family aspect, should the Lions pursue him, may definitely be a factor.  He also enjoyed his time in BC a lot. 

I think we have a good chance, but it isn't a mortal lock.  The trick is to find out as soon as reasonably possible, because a lot of other free agency decisions will flow from that signing/non-signing.  The only ones that are higher priority are Goosen and Chung.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on December 19, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
I had dinner with a couple of bombers yesterday and they believe that we have a very good chance of landing Bighill. They both believe that BC would have to cut Solly out right to dump his salary and then sign Bighill.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on December 19, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
How have we shown him more love? You're just talking out of your butt aards.

We don't even know if the Lions are players. He might go into FA and have a team throw him a deal like the Als did to Westerman.

We pack our stadium, and BC can barely get 20k out.

Biggie was up there with Harris as The Fan Favourite.  And in the community, he was continually shown the love in any appearances or any fundraising he partook in.

In BC, he was part of "Team 100", and not the big part. 

Here he was "4 the Win"

I'm pretty sure he felt more love here.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 19, 2018, 06:56:44 PM
We pack our stadium, and BC can barely get 20k out.

Biggie was up there with Harris as The Fan Favourite.  And in the community, he was continually shown the love in any appearances or any fundraising he partook in.

In BC, he was part of "Team 100", and not the big part. 

Here he was "4 the Win"

I'm pretty sure he felt more love here.


I'm pretty sure I don't decide where I am going to work and provide for my family based on "which office gave me more love". At least, it's not in the first 10 considerations.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_or_die on December 19, 2018, 07:00:31 PM
Let's not forget that the "family" he has out West are his in-laws. That may actually be a detriment to BC to sign him.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: theaardvark on December 19, 2018, 07:21:30 PM
I'm pretty sure I don't decide where I am going to work and provide for my family based on "which office gave me more love". At least, it's not in the first 10 considerations.

OK, lets express it in a more job related manner.

"Love" from fans = Job Satisfaction.

The more fun it is to play in front of a rabid fanbase, the more enjoyable the job is, and the more attractive signing with that team is.  We know he loves the team here, and we know a major reason he signed here was MOS,  Other than in-laws in BC, what is left there?   Solly.  New GM, new HC, new DC/LB coach, but no new owner, which is probably not a great thing for BC trying to resign him.

So, go to  a completely new situation and be second banana to Solly (or if they dump Solly, then it is 100% new), or play in a spot that is affordable, where he is loved and recognized on the street, and has a strong relationship with management, coaches and team?

Sounding more of a no brainer every time I respond....


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on December 19, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
Let's not forget that the "family" he has out West are his in-laws. That may actually be a detriment to BC to sign him.

I'm telling Phil.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 19, 2018, 08:14:29 PM
OK, lets express it in a more job related manner.

"Love" from fans = Job Satisfaction.

The more fun it is to play in front of a rabid fanbase, the more enjoyable the job is, and the more attractive signing with that team is.  We know he loves the team here, and we know a major reason he signed here was MOS,  Other than in-laws in BC, what is left there?   Solly.  New GM, new HC, new DC/LB coach, but no new owner, which is probably not a great thing for BC trying to resign him.

So, go to  a completely new situation and be second banana to Solly (or if they dump Solly, then it is 100% new), or play in a spot that is affordable, where he is loved and recognized on the street, and has a strong relationship with management, coaches and team?

Sounding more of a no brainer every time I respond....

You may have a point but any and all of those factors above could likely play second fiddle to something he's already stated: he's putting his family first. That's the factor you seem to be ignoring, and I highly doubt his wife and children care about the rabid, loving fans in Winnipeg or that games have higher attendance here. Based on his statement, their happiness and comfort appears to precede his own.

I want nothing more than for Bighill to remain a Bomber for the foreseeable future - he's a player this team desperately needs. But looking at this situation through a biased, blue-tinted lens is extremely foolhardy.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 19, 2018, 08:28:15 PM
I think that it is highly probably that the Lions will not pursue Bighill, and if they do, it will be with a hometown discount offer.  I just don't think they would release Solly. Bighill had a sensational season last year, but really, I think Solly is the better player at MLB. If BC does not come after Biggie, or lowballs him, I think we have a very good chance of re-signing him. If BC does the unthinkable and and releases Solly to make room for Biggie, I don't like our odds. However, I would heartily accept Soloman Elimimian as our new MLBer.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 19, 2018, 09:07:09 PM
OK, lets express it in a more job related manner.

"Love" from fans = Job Satisfaction.

The more fun it is to play in front of a rabid fanbase, the more enjoyable the job is, and the more attractive signing with that team is.  We know he loves the team here, and we know a major reason he signed here was MOS,  Other than in-laws in BC, what is left there?   Solly.  New GM, new HC, new DC/LB coach, but no new owner, which is probably not a great thing for BC trying to resign him.

So, go to  a completely new situation and be second banana to Solly (or if they dump Solly, then it is 100% new), or play in a spot that is affordable, where he is loved and recognized on the street, and has a strong relationship with management, coaches and team?

Sounding more of a no brainer every time I respond....

You can convince yourself of anything, we all know. You're completely overvaluing "love" from fans. How do you even quantify that anyway? We're the super-duper best at it? It's obviously a thing players say after they've signed at a place, ("I can't wait to play in front of the best fans in the CFL, etc.) but it's not likely to be a major factor in where to sign, as that's a personal and economic decision. No one is going to take less coin because it's offset by "love". No one is going to choose the fan's "love" over the real love of family and friends. If he signs here, it's because we're paying him at market value and he likes the locker room, his role on the team, coaches and the decision is supported by loved ones. He might say he loves the fans in Winnipeg after he signs. He probably does. But it's not a significant factor in a contract negotiation.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: kkc60 on December 19, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
OK, lets express it in a more job related manner.

"Love" from fans = Job Satisfaction.

The more fun it is to play in front of a rabid fanbase, the more enjoyable the job is, and the more attractive signing with that team is.  We know he loves the team here, and we know a major reason he signed here was MOS,  Other than in-laws in BC, what is left there?   Solly.  New GM, new HC, new DC/LB coach, but no new owner, which is probably not a great thing for BC trying to resign him.

So, go to  a completely new situation and be second banana to Solly (or if they dump Solly, then it is 100% new), or play in a spot that is affordable, where he is loved and recognized on the street, and has a strong relationship with management, coaches and team?

Sounding more of a no brainer every time I respond....
It scares me imagining you negotiating a professional sports contract.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on December 19, 2018, 11:04:25 PM
If he was a single man love from the fans and money might be more important but he has to put what his family wants first. If his wife and kids are happier in Vancouver then that's probably where he goes.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: dd on December 19, 2018, 11:50:42 PM
I think that it is highly probably that the Lions will not pursue Bighill, and if they do, it will be with a hometown discount offer.  I just don't think they would release Solly. Bighill had a sensational season last year, but really, I think Solly is the better player at MLB. If BC does not come after Biggie, or lowballs him, I think we have a very good chance of re-signing him. If BC does the unthinkable and and releases Solly to make room for Biggie, I don't like our odds. However, I would heartily accept Soloman Elimimian as our new MLBer.
I agree with this line of thinking. IF, and its a big IF, if Biggie signs with BC, there's no way they're keeping both, and as much as I want Biggie back here, I'd be happy to bring on Solly if Biggie decides to go to the left coast. I just don't see that happening. The only kink in this is if BC lowballs Biggie and he accepts so he can be close to his family, but I can't see that happening either--you aren't going to go to a team with a rookie HC, with a GM you don't know, for less money. You have a finite time to earn your $$$, and when its all said and done, $$$ count, always has.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2018, 01:22:16 AM
Solly is not a pending F.A. so I can't see how Eddie would ever rationalize trading or cutting him to bring in Bighill.  Obviously Bighill wants to be paid in the same ballpark as Solly, mo money is going to be his number one demand, which is really secret code for "taking care of my family".  I can't see Hervey spending that much on two Import LB's when Bo Lokombo a good Natl. is available.  Plus their entire starting secondary are pending F.A. so he's going to have to increase his anti to keep a pretty solid backfield together (lead the league in interceptions and knockdowns). I'm sure Claybrooks will want to maintain a balance on the D and focus some of the spending on the O which is categorically where most of their problems emanate. 

A bigger threat may be the Stamps, if they lose Singleton to the NFL they could well be a viable contender for Bighill's services.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 20, 2018, 01:39:21 AM
Solly is not a pending F.A. so I can't see how Eddie would ever rationalize trading or cutting him to bring in Bighill.  Obviously Bighill wants to be paid in the same ballpark as Solly, mo money is going to be his number one demand, which is really secret code for "taking care of my family".  I can't see Hervey spending that much on two Import LB's when Bo Lokombo a good Natl. is available.  Plus their entire starting secondary are pending F.A. so he's going to have to increase his anti to keep a pretty solid backfield together (lead the league in interceptions and knockdowns). I'm sure Claybrooks will want to maintain a balance on the D and focus some of the spending on the O which is categorically where most of their problems emanate. 

A bigger threat may be the Stamps, if they lose Singleton to the NFL they could well be a viable contender for Bighill's services.

I agree that the Stamps could be in play as well. However, I think we have a great shot at retaining Biggie if it comes down to us and the Stamps. Hufnagel has never been one to engage in a bidding war.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on December 20, 2018, 01:40:49 AM
Solly is not a pending F.A. so I can't see how Eddie would ever rationalize trading or cutting him to bring in Bighill.  Obviously Bighill wants to be paid in the same ballpark as Solly, mo money is going to be his number one demand, which is really secret code for "taking care of my family".  I can't see Hervey spending that much on two Import LB's when Bo Lokombo a good Natl. is available.  Plus their entire starting secondary are pending F.A. so he's going to have to increase his anti to keep a pretty solid backfield together (lead the league in interceptions and knockdowns). I'm sure Claybrooks will want to maintain a balance on the D and focus some of the spending on the O which is categorically where most of their problems emanate. 

A bigger threat may be the Stamps, if they lose Singleton to the NFL they could well be a viable contender for Bighill's services.

The only fly in the ointment would be if Solly's injury has diminished his effectiveness in the eyes of the Lions.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on December 20, 2018, 04:27:36 PM
I just don't see BC going after Bighill, they probably have the best linebacker depth in the league.  Eliminian (I), Awe (I), Lokombo (N) and Herdman (N) can all start.  Eliminian and Herdman are already signed and I assume Lokombo will also resign, while Awe walks due to cap space.  I'm going to guess that Bighill stays in Winnipeg or goes to Calgary if Singleton gets a shot at the NFL.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on December 20, 2018, 04:52:51 PM
I just don't see BC going after Bighill, they probably have the best linebacker depth in the league.  Eliminian (I), Awe (I), Lokombo (N) and Herdman (N) can all start.  Eliminian and Herdman are already signed and I assume Lokombo will also resign, while Awe walks due to cap space.  I'm going to guess that Bighill stays in Winnipeg or goes to Calgary if Singleton gets a shot at the NFL.

I agree. People keep talking about how Bighill is goin to choose BC over us because of his family. I don't think he's going to have the option.

I also agree with GCn18 that Huffer doesn't get into bidding wars. If we pay him well (we will), Bighill is ours.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: the paw on December 20, 2018, 05:03:05 PM
I just don't see BC going after Bighill, they probably have the best linebacker depth in the league.  Eliminian (I), Awe (I), Lokombo (N) and Herdman (N) can all start.  Eliminian and Herdman are already signed and I assume Lokombo will also resign, while Awe walks due to cap space.  I'm going to guess that Bighill stays in Winnipeg or goes to Calgary if Singleton gets a shot at the NFL.

Lokombo was on 3 NFL practice rosters in 2017, there is a fair chance he gets an offer this time around with more game tape.  I am also less impressed with Herdman than some.  By October, both Lokombo and Awe were starting ahead of him, although he has a great nose for the football, he doesn't have the footspeed to start consistently (at least not without creating a vulnerability).

But, Herdman remains good depth, and Awe is quite good.  I think they would have to decide that they are finding Elimimian a tad too expensive and not quite durable enough for them to make a play for Bighill.  Doesn't sound likely, but Hervey has the reins completely now, and this is the offseason he makes over his roster.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: TBURGESS on December 20, 2018, 06:23:59 PM
I could see Bighill taking a 'home town' discount to play in BC and I could see BC picking him over Solly due to price, age and injury concerns. If not BC, then the biggest payday will probably win out, and I think their will have several teams, not just Winnipeg, in the running.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on December 21, 2018, 03:45:03 AM
BC need to spend there money on OL and a QB. Manny, and Eliminian could be asked to take pay cuts.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 21, 2018, 04:46:26 PM
All I want for Christmas is a Biggie and a Reilly. MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 21, 2018, 04:49:19 PM
All I want for Christmas is a Biggie and a Reilly. MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

Already pounding back the egg nog, eh. ;)


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Ridermania on December 21, 2018, 06:09:57 PM
All I want for Christmas is a Biggie and a Reilly. MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

Merry Christmas to all my Bomber pals!


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 21, 2018, 09:23:54 PM
Merry Christmas to all my Bomber pals!
U2 ridermania


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on January 05, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
He is still sporting a cast on his arm.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on January 05, 2019, 08:25:39 PM
He is still sporting a cast on arm.

He played in post season so I wouldn't worry too much about that. The bigger issue is getting his name on a new contract.

Now that we're into the 2019 SMS, I'd expect to see more of our potential free agents re-signing before free agency.

Who and when is the question. In all probability we're going to lose some players.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Leroy on January 05, 2019, 08:42:34 PM
I'm not worried about it.

It does show that it was a significant injury he played through if he has a cast on it 2 months later.

He is a beast


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blueraid on January 05, 2019, 10:09:38 PM
One tough hombre is Biggie...Guys like him don't come around often and when they do you better do all you can to hold on to them


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on January 05, 2019, 10:17:00 PM
I'm not worried about it.

It does show that it was a significant injury he played through if he has a cast on it 2 months later.

He is a beast

Probably had some tendon problems along with possible fracture.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: ModAdmin on January 08, 2019, 03:01:14 PM
According to Darren Cameron, discussions with Adam Bighill continue.  Free Agency begins February 12th.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on January 08, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
According to Darren Cameron, discussions with Adam Bighill continue.  Free Agency begings February 12th.

Great news. They're talking...so that at least means there is some level of mutual interest.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Knocker42 on January 09, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
On the other forum, there is a report from  Ted Wyman that BC will not be going after Bighill when free agency arrives.
Could be big news for BB, although other teams will be sniffing around!!
Adam posted a photo of his son who had just completed his first day at pre-school.  It didn't say where. That might be a good thing to know.
If his kid is in pre-school here that would be a positive thing but if it was in BC,  not so much, but still not a total downer as it is only per-school I suppose.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 09, 2019, 06:21:19 PM
Could be a huge advantage for the Bombers if they're already discussing a new contract with Bighill. Massive news!


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Blue In BC on January 09, 2019, 06:29:45 PM
Could be a huge advantage for the Bombers if they're already discussing a new contract with Bighill. Massive news!

I've never believed he'd be back with the Lions. LB is not a weak position there so it doesn't make financial sense for them IMO.

I don't believe many teams will be in the market for a top MLB due to the SMS hit and their current rosters.

Calgary now becomes a potential player but it's never Huff's style to spend big in free agency for other teams players.

As they continue to lose top players, free agents may not view them as a contender in 2019. If BLM leaves, they may sink quickly.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: drahgon on January 09, 2019, 07:20:15 PM
On the other forum, there is a report from  Ted Wyman that BC will not be going after Bighill when free agency arrives.
Could be big news for BB, although other teams will be sniffing around!!
Adam posted a photo of his son who had just completed his first day at pre-school.  It didn't say where. That might be a good thing to know.
If his kid is in pre-school here that would be a positive thing but if it was in BC,  not so much, but still not a total downer as it is only per-school I suppose.

There is no snow on the ground and there looks to be mountains in the background. Definitely NOT in Winnipeg.

However, I remain hopeful that he and BB will work something out and he will be back with the team next year.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: booch on January 09, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
not a big factor really...if their off-season home is out there..makes sense he would at the least start school there as opposed to missing out until the new season starts


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: blue girl on January 09, 2019, 08:44:41 PM
I'm pretty sure that I read that he and his family returned to Vancouver before the holidays. To me not a big deal as that is where I believe that his wife and her family are from. To me what is encouraging is that in the interview on the Bomber website Walters says that he and his agent are still talking and when the Bombers announce a re-signing he puts a like on his twitter account.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: the paw on January 09, 2019, 08:58:25 PM
Wyman is a Wpg based sports writer, I would feel better if Dunk or Edwards or Ullrich were reporting that BC isn't interested.

And while it is a good sign Bighill's agent is talking to Wpg, at this stage of the calendar we are the only ones he is allowed to talk to, so I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

A lot of our re-signings so far have been guys who have established their market value, have settled in here, etc.  They weren't likely to be moving or free agent priorities for other teams.

Bighill is someone who can definitely benefit from testing the free agent market (just like Chung and Goosen). Doesn't mean they definitely will, but they aren't going to be in a huge rush to sign early just because they like our zoo and all the swell fans.  Expect all three of those deals to close just before free agency opens or possibly shortly afterwards.  They are marketable commodities.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Jesse on January 09, 2019, 09:07:34 PM
Never thought BC was interested. A little worried about Calgary, but agree it's not their style to go out and sign a big name.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: ModAdmin on January 09, 2019, 09:53:35 PM
Ted Wyman @Ted_Wyman

From what I'm hearing at #CFL meetings it doesn't sound as of now like the BC Lions are going to be in on LB Adam Bighill if he gets to free agency, which certainly makes it more likely that he will stay with #Bombers.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: GCn18 on January 09, 2019, 11:45:12 PM
Never thought BC was interested. A little worried about Calgary, but agree it's not their style to go out and sign a big name.

Not worried about Calgary at all really, unless Huff throws the keys to the vault at him or we low ball him for some reason. Biggie loves playing for the Blue Bombers, the only team that had a shot at him was BC because he could drive home a couple times a week from Vancouver and he has been there in the past for many years. A plane ride is a plane ride, whether it's from Winnipeg or Calgary it makes almost zero difference in both cost or time.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: Pigskin on January 15, 2019, 09:58:56 PM
I guess a Rider fan was wrong on this one.


Title: Re: Bighill
Post by: 1chad on January 17, 2019, 03:33:51 PM
Bighill will be anchoring our D for the next 3 years.  Awesome.