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Title: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on June 30, 2018, 03:17:38 PM
With free agency starting and a new NHL season on the horizon, we can start the 2018/2019 discussion here.

We will leave the 2017/2018 up for another month before retiring it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on July 01, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
Let?s start this off with a bang:

Forward Paul Stastny will sign a three-year deal with the Vegas Golden Knights.

In 82 games last season, Stastny had 16 goals and 37 assists. The 32-year-old was dealt from the St. Louis Blues to the Winnipeg Jets at the trade deadline in exchange for forward Erik Foley, a conditional first-round pick in 2018 and a fourth-rounder in 2020. Stastny recorded 13 points in 19 games after being acquired by the Jets.

Stastny spent most of four seasons with the Blues, helping them to a string of playoff appearances including a conference final appearance in 2015-16.   

He was coming off a four-year, $28 million deal that carried a cap hit of $7 million per season.

The 32-year-old was drafted by the Colorado Avalanche in the second round (No. 44 overall) of the 2005 NHL Entry Draft. He spent his first eight seasons with the Avs before signing with the Blues in 2014.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 01, 2018, 02:34:23 PM
Guess Chevy will go to Plan B & just do nothing for a center & let PM figure it out.
Unless some huge shock happens ........ Little is okay but I do hope that Roslovic gets a chance at center with Ehlers & Laine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on July 01, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Matt Hendricks signs a one-year, $700,000 contract to play in his home state with the Minnesota Wild. He was a player the #NHLJets signed late last summer but didn't seem interested in retaining for next season. No room at the inn. #wfp


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 01, 2018, 11:42:46 PM
Matt Hendricks signs a one-year, $700,000 contract to play in his home state with the Minnesota Wild. He was a player the #NHLJets signed late last summer but didn't seem interested in retaining for next season. No room at the inn. #wfp

Yawn

Glad he?s gone


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 02, 2018, 12:52:56 AM
Matt Hendricks signs a one-year, $700,000 contract to play in his home state with the Minnesota Wild. He was a player the #NHLJets signed late last summer but didn't seem interested in retaining for next season. No room at the inn. #wfp

Good for him...  good guy and a decent role player.  Unfortunately, he's gotten one step too slow to keep up with this team.  The kids have surpassed him...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 03, 2018, 09:46:06 PM
Sure hope Laurent Brossoit isn't actually our backup goaltender this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
Sure hope Laurent Brossoit isn't actually our backup goaltender this season.

I'm sure we will see Comrie for more than a game or two.  Nice having the Moose in the same building.  But I fully expect Brossoit to be the backup night in night out on the bench.  And get in a few games...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2018, 01:38:34 AM
Sure hope Laurent Brossoit isn't actually our backup goaltender this season.

Pretty sure that's why he was signed. Who else would it be?

Getting Mason off the books is big but it sucks to lose Armia. It is nice to get a prospect defenseman back the other way.

Extremely disappointed in Stastny's decision to sign with the team who eliminated him from the playoffs - another reason to despise Vegas, I suppose. I was really hoping he'd be back after the Jets were able to open up some space trading away Mason.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 07:54:47 AM
I'm sure we will see Comrie for more than a game or two.  Nice having the Moose in the same building.  But I fully expect Brossoit to be the backup night in night out on the bench.  And get in a few games...
Comrie is much worse.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 07:56:37 AM
Pretty sure that's why he was signed. Who else would it be?

Getting Mason off the books is big but it sucks to lose Armia. It is nice to get a prospect defenseman back the other way.

Extremely disappointed in Stastny's decision to sign with the team who eliminated him from the playoffs - another reason to despise Vegas, I suppose. I was really hoping he'd be back after the Jets were able to open up some space trading away Mason.
I'm assuming/hoping Chevy will pluck a better goaltender off waivers just prior to the season. My hope is Brossoit is our 3rd goaltender who's primarily in the AHL, like Hutch last year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2018, 03:43:39 PM
I'm assuming/hoping Chevy will pluck a better goaltender off waivers just prior to the season. My hope is Brossoit is our 3rd goaltender who's primarily in the AHL, like Hutch last year.

Like Mason? :D

Seriously, though, I'm not sure who's even worth a look. Maybe Zatkoff or Lindback...?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
Like Mason? :D

Seriously, though, I'm not sure who's even worth a look. Maybe Zatkoff or Lindback...?
There's a few teams who have some decent 3rd goaltenders who will need to go through waivers once the regular season starts.  The Leafs have a couple I'd be interested in, Sparks and Picard.  But there will be many others...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 04, 2018, 04:53:53 PM
At the price, I'm fine with picking up a guy that Hellebuyck is familiar with and can play in the NHL in a pinch.  He played on an awful Edm team... so I discount a lot of his numbers...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 04, 2018, 06:16:16 PM
I'm fine with picking up a guy that Hellebuyck is familiar with

What do you mean by that?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 06:22:53 PM
What do you mean by that?
It means he's fine with Laurent Brossoit as our backup.  The two train together in the offseason. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 04, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
It means he's fine with Laurent Brossoit as our backup.  The two train together in the offseason. 

Ahh got it, wasn't sure what he meant by the familiar part. Didn't know they trained together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2018, 06:35:56 PM
It means he's fine with Laurent Brossoit as our backup.  The two train together in the offseason. 

Good to know. Perhaps that's part of why he was signed.

While his career numbers thus far are not good, he's played on some pretty craptacular Oilers teams. His one good season also happened to be the year they made the playoffs. Although, he only played 8 games. His AHL numbers are decent enough.

I have no idea how the backup situation shakes out, but this is a good, low-risk signing for the Jets, IMO. Maybe Brossoit is ready to take that next step as a backup in the NHL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 04, 2018, 09:13:54 PM
Comrie (hasn't been signed yet) & Bros will certainly put together a meaningful battle in TC.
May be wrong ..... but neither can move between Moose & Jets without going to waiver wire this season.

Meanwhile Iles, with Greis & the Rangers who have Lundqvist ...... do not have anyone listed as a backup goaltender on Cap Friendly.
Soooooo a few teams are still deciding on their goaltenders ....... with the pickings slim on experience.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 06, 2018, 11:45:11 AM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 06, 2018, 12:04:43 PM
Ideally this will be Comrie's last year in the A and I hope he explodes and can be our sure-fire #2 next year. But this year I don't think he's ready based on what I've seen.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 06, 2018, 12:45:08 PM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...

That wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea for the right price. Maybe 1 year at $2-2.5M...?

Looks like five RFAs have filed for arbitration: Dano, Hellebuyck, Lowry, Tanev, Trouba.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 06, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...
Where did you hear this speculation? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bowlerdude on July 06, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
I don't mind Brossoit getting a shot to be the regular backup. He's spent his entire career behind one of the leakiest defenses in the league, and the only year Edmonton was any good, Brossoit actually put up pretty good numbers. He's been good in the AHL, he was phenomenal in juniors, got good size and athleticism and a lot of times goalies take a while to develop. Brossoit is only 25, so he's still got room to develop.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2018, 10:35:12 PM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...

Really?

Out to lunch speculation


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 06, 2018, 10:56:54 PM
I don't mind Brossoit getting a shot to be the regular backup. He's spent his entire career behind one of the leakiest defenses in the league, and the only year Edmonton was any good, Brossoit actually put up pretty good numbers. He's been good in the AHL, he was phenomenal in juniors, got good size and athleticism and a lot of times goalies take a while to develop. Brossoit is only 25, so he's still got room to develop.

Pretty much where I stand on Brossoit. Well said.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 07, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
Pretty much where I stand on Brossoit. Well said.
It's still a massive risk. The fact remains is Brossoit is an unknown.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 07, 2018, 03:39:03 PM
It's still a massive risk. The fact remains is Brossoit is an unknown.

Of course it is. But it's also a fact that's the case with most of what's currently available on the market.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 07, 2018, 06:54:54 PM
Of course it is. But it's also a fact that's the case with most of what's currently available on the market.
That's why I suggested the strategy in post 12 of this thread.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
Hellebuyck  6 yrs, 6.16 per... awesome.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 12, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
Hellebuyck  6 yrs, 6.16 per... awesome.
That is a bit of an overpayment in my opinion. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 01:04:22 PM
That is a bit of an overpayment in my opinion. 

Agreed. Although, his is what happens after a career season. And he's still young by goalie standards.

It's imperative he continues to play the same level as last season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 12, 2018, 01:12:41 PM
Agreed. Although, his is what happens after a career season. And he's still young by goalie standards.

It's imperative he continues to play the same level as last season.
My concern is it is a small sample size we have with Helle.  If he continues his performance, it is a great contract.  But if there's some regression, like we saw with Pavelec, then it would turn out to be a bad contract. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
If he maintains his play, then at the end of this deal, we will be remarking what a great deal it is.

I've never understood how goalies aren't the highest paid player on the team.  He'll be what, 32 at the end of this deal?

I'm surprised it wasn't for 8 years, though...

Jim Toth@JimTothSports
Wondering if #NHLJets Connor Hellebuyck was offered a 6x6 & if he said I need the number to be 37... #Goalies





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 01:27:05 PM
My concern is it is a small sample size we have with Helle.  If he continues his performance, it is a great contract.  But if there's some regression, like we saw with Pavelec, then it would turn out to be a bad contract. 

Pavelec never had a full season of Vezina-calibre play, though. Nowhere close, to be honest. I don't know if that's a fair comparison to Hellebuyck who had an incredible run over 67 regular season games and 17 playoff games. All at the age of 24.

I've never understood how goalies aren't the highest paid player on the team.  He'll be what, 32 at the end of this deal?

Because you can't tie up too much money in net. Look at the Habs. And he'll be 31 by the end of his new contract (he just turned 25 in May).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
Pavelec never had a full season of Vezina-calibre play, though. Nowhere close, to be honest. I don't know if that's a fair comparison to Hellebuyck who had an incredible run over 67 regular season games and 17 playoff games. All at the age of 24.

Because you can't tie up too much money in net. Look at the Habs. And he'll be 31 by the end of his new contract (he just turned 25 in May).

So, having $10 mil tied up in a guy that single handedly wins you probably 8-10 games a year (which hurts MTL's draft order) is a bad thing?

Granted, when they go down, it is catastrophic.  NHL needs a 6 game IR type of SMS relief.  Although you can't really parachute players in in a guaranteed contract league...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 12, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
Pavelec never had a full season of Vezina-calibre play, though. Nowhere close, to be honest. I don't know if that's a fair comparison to Hellebuyck who had an incredible run over 67 regular season games and 17 playoff games. All at the age of 24.

Because you can't tie up too much money in net. Look at the Habs. And he'll be 31 by the end of his new contract (he just turned 25 in May).
Goaltenders can be very unpredictable year-to-year. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
So, having $10 mil tied up in a guy that single handedly wins you probably 8-10 games a year (which hurts MTL's draft order) is a bad thing?

Yes, I'd say it is. It's less money to be spent elsewhere. The Canadiens' roster is a mess and having that much tied up in one goalie isn't helping anything. I won't get into whether or not he's worth that $10.5M cap hit, as that's another discussion altogether.

That contract also makes him extremely difficult to move in the event there's a house-cleaning in Montreal.

Goaltenders can be very unpredictable year-to-year. 

You're absolutely right. But I have to think "what have you done for me lately" applies in this case. If his off-season regimen and training/conditioning are any indication, he should put himself in a favourable position to maintain a high level of play.

Hell, he's at the BellMTS IcePlex as we speak, training hard.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 12, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
It is more than I expected, but after thinking about it, I think it's a good balance. I love the 6 year term. Love it.

Regarding $$, I think this is money somewhere between a perennial Vezina candidate and a young up-and-comer who shows a lot of flashes but can't quite get there year to year. Obviously if he's just as good every year as last year it's an amazing deal. I would only start to question it if he levels out to an average goaltender, which I don't think will happen. Helle is super focussed and you can tell he will do anything to be the best.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
Yes, I'd say it is. It's less money to be spent elsewhere. The Canadiens' roster is a mess and having that much tied up in one goalie isn't helping anything. I won't get into whether or not he's worth that $10.5M cap hit, as that's another discussion altogether.

That contract also makes him extremely difficult to move in the event there's a house-cleaning in Montreal.

You're absolutely right. But I have to think "what have you done for me lately" applies in this case. If his off-season regimen and training/conditioning are any indication, he should put himself in a favourable position to maintain a high level of play.

Hell, he's at the BellMTS IcePlex as we speak, training hard.

Price is not the reason MTL sucks, and neither is his contract.  Goaltenders play more minutes than any 2 other players on a team, maybe even 3.  They are on the ice, making a difference, a lot more of the time.  And while a goal scorer may get a handful of shots, and hopefully one goes in... a goaler has to face 30+ shots and not allow them in. 

Just saying, the number of times I hear "they are a good goalie away from competing" happens a lot more than "they are a centre away from competing"...

I don't think that a goalie being your highest paid player is any less appropriate than a QB being your highest paid footballer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 12, 2018, 05:29:04 PM
My concern is it is a small sample size we have with Helle.  If he continues his performance, it is a great contract.  But if there's some regression, like we saw with Pavelec, then it would turn out to be a bad contract. 

I don't remember any regression with Pav. He simply was what he was the entire time he was here.

As for Helle, if you look at the other Vezina candidate contracts, 6x6 is outstanding. If you wanted to lowball him, we would have lost him. This is value. I like it a lot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
Price is not the reason MTL sucks, and neither is his contract.  Goaltenders play more minutes than any 2 other players on a team, maybe even 3.  They are on the ice, making a difference, a lot more of the time.  And while a goal scorer may get a handful of shots, and hopefully one goes in... a goaler has to face 30+ shots and not allow them in. 

Just saying, the number of times I hear "they are a good goalie away from competing" happens a lot more than "they are a centre away from competing"...

I don't think that a goalie being your highest paid player is any less appropriate than a QB being your highest paid footballer.

Bergevin's inability to manage his roster is part of why the Habs just came off their worst season in franchise history. Why would Price's contract be exempt from the equation?

If that last line were true, we'd see far more goalies being the highest paid players across the league than not. Reality says otherwise (of the 50 highest paid players, only 5 are goalies). Top line forwards and top pairing blue liners tend get the most lucrative contracts by a considerable margin.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 12, 2018, 08:11:47 PM
A little over 6M is not a lot of money for a goalie with Connors numbers for a contract signed this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 12, 2018, 08:13:17 PM
Bergevin's inability to manage his roster is part of why the Habs just came off their worst season in franchise history. Why would Price's contract be exempt from the equation?

If that last line were true, we'd see far more goalies being the highest paid players across the league than not. Reality says otherwise (of the 50 highest paid players, only 5 are goalies). Top line forwards and top pairing blue liners tend get the most lucrative contracts by a considerable margin.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

There have been few opportunities for this to happen, and the few instances it has happened, the goalie has been made the highest paid player on the team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 08:29:28 PM
Bergevin's inability to manage his roster is part of why the Habs just came off their worst season in franchise history. Why would Price's contract be exempt from the equation?

If that last line were true, we'd see far more goalies being the highest paid players across the league than not. Reality says otherwise (of the 50 highest paid players, only 5 are goalies). Top line forwards and top pairing blue liners tend get the most lucrative contracts by a considerable margin.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

Not arguing the point, just commenting that the goalie, like a QB is arguably the most important player on the team, and capable of making the most difference in a win/loss scenario.  How that responsibility does not come with the commensurate pay, I don't know.   

You hear all the time that "He stole the game for them", and the "he" is never a forward or defenceman.  Every time, it is a goalie. 

At best they are and interesting group, at worst, complete loons.  So, sure, they aren't the guys making the spectacular end to end rushes and the "top shelf where gramma hides the cookies" goal.  But for very one of thos that ends up on SportsCentre, you can bet there are many more that don't, becasue the goalie came up with the save.

Not arguing that they should be the highest pair player on every team, just wondering why more are not.  There are definitely a handful outr there that deserve to be.  37 is not in that league yet, but could be in a couple years.  Price definitely is, and Montreal's woes are not on him, much as Hall wasn't holding Edmonton back...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 13, 2018, 02:16:00 AM
Couple of days before the Cap went up 4M, I had posted that I would guess the Jets might get HellB for 5.3M ........ ooooops!!
Real Happy that he has signed for 6 years ....... to bad his sweater # wasn't the amount over 7 years.
Trouba & Morrissey are so crucial .......... If Trouba won't take anything but a bridge than I say Trade Him. Let's get on with life without him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 16, 2018, 03:12:39 AM
Chevy what's happening ??  Certainly is a good chance the next 5 days may answer a few extremely important questions. 
The team still has 6 contracts to be declared out of the 23 normal roster spots under a Cap.

Trouba - will he be a Jet long term ?  I think I will be shocked to hear he doesn't go to the arbitration date meet.
Myers - is he a victim of cap space need ..... hopefully not.   If they need cap room for Trouba - move out Kulikov some how.
Morrissey - can we hear wonderful signing news for this real important talent ?
is Lowry part of the plans going forward & for what $$ & term ?  How about Poolman ?    Will Vesalainen finally get signed ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
According to Elliotte Friedman, the Jets and Trouba's camp are pretty far apart. The team's offer is $4M; his camp wants $7M.

Garbage.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on July 18, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
4mil for how many years? Seems like a lowball offer if true


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
4mil for how many years? Seems like a lowball offer if true

Friedman tweeted a follow-up saying it's par for the course. Obviously, this is the strategic aspect of negotiating and $4M is too low and $7M is too high.

I just don't like the optics when so many fans still choose to dwell on what happened two years ago with Trouba. I hope the two sides work out a long-term contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 18, 2018, 03:42:20 PM
Agree ....... Trouba, long term would certainly make the Jets a bit more settled.
However ...... what do you pay Morrissey, who is touted as the other half of the shutdown Dmen pairing ??  Can't low ball him in my opinion.
Ideal is probably something like ...... Trouba 6.4 x 7 years & Morrissey at 6M x 7 yrs.

Cap money now available is just over 20M., but they need a minimum of 6 contracts to go to reach 23, the league seems to designate as the starting goal.
 Tanev, Dano, Lowry & Poolman with the above 2 gems.  Does Lowry get 3M, Poolman 1.5 & Tanev 1.7M  & Dano a Mill ???
 
Chevy may still be forced to make a trade move to allow them comfortable cap space to deal with the Conner, Laine & Wheeler contract needs next year.   YIKES !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 18, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
4mil for how many years? Seems like a lowball offer if true
That's just how these negotiations work.  I expect the Jets and Trouba to come to an agreement a few minutes prior to their arbitration hearing on Friday. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
That's just how these negotiations work.  I expect the Jets and Trouba to come to an agreement a few minutes prior to their arbitration hearing on Friday. 

I'd love for that to materialize.

As far as dollars work, I expect around $10M spent on both Trouba and Morrissey together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 18, 2018, 05:20:30 PM
I'd love for that to materialize.

As far as dollars work, I expect around $10M spent on both Trouba and Morrissey together.
I've got Trouba at $6.5 over 5-6 years and a little higher if he goes 8 years.  Morrissey I've got around $5.5 million on a longer team deal.  So I'm projecting the two closer to $12 million.  Now if Morrissey is bridged, then his AAV will be lower, but I'd prefer locking him up long term.  Once Morrissey starts getting PP time his value will skyrocket, which means a bridge deal costs more in the long-term. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 18, 2018, 06:27:45 PM
13 mill for our top pair, 7+ years. Would be great with that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 18, 2018, 08:13:56 PM
Yes indeed - Morrissey has been kept off the PP most often but to go forward, I think it is important to get him more PP involved
Get him wrapped up long term now Chevy


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on July 18, 2018, 08:19:59 PM
13 mill for our top pair, 7+ years. Would be great with that.

Yes, I'd by quite happy with that as well. Hell, guys like Doughty and Karlson are rumoured to be asking for 12+ million per year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 18, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
Its arbitration.  You make an offer, they counter.  That's how it works.

Term on arbitration cases is one or two years, I believe...  no longer than that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 19, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
Lowry signed a 3 year extension worth a total of $8.75 million.  So just under $3 million AAV. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 19, 2018, 08:22:40 PM
Lowry signed a 3 year extension worth a total of $8.75 million.  So just under $3 million AAV. 

I like his play but needs to stay healthy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 19, 2018, 08:24:12 PM
Sounds like only a 1 year arbitration settlement unless last minute news.

Trade bait if only a 1 year I suppose.

I hope the jets aren?t being cheap stakes here.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 19, 2018, 09:17:25 PM
I'm still expecting a long term deal for Trouba to be announced tonight or tomorrow morning


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 19, 2018, 11:23:40 PM
Like the idea of Lowry on paper for 3 years. If things aren't progressing in his performance his hit may be moveable. If decent on ice results then extension later is worth it.

The clock is ticking ...... Trouba,is so tradeable now Chevy ........ get him long term or move him ........ Morrissey is a Star you need to lock down.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 20, 2018, 12:57:41 AM
Lowry signed a 3 year extension worth a total of $8.75 million.  So just under $3 million AAV. 

$2.91AAV. Very good contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 20, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
I'm still expecting a long term deal for Trouba to be announced tonight or tomorrow morning
Trouba's hearing is at 9:30am EST this morning, but what I learned is that the arbitrator takes 48 hours to give their ruling, and during that time the two parties can reach a deal on their own.  Knowing Trouba's agent, this may be what happens. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 20, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Trouba's hearing is at 9:30am EST this morning, but what I learned is that the arbitrator takes 48 hours to give their ruling, and during that time the two parties can reach a deal on their own.  Knowing Trouba's agent, this may be what happens. 

I don't like Oberhardt.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 20, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
Please don't tell me Chevy that we, fans, will have to go thru this drama with Laine, Connor or Wheeler
Yes, within 48 hours a deal can still be struck other than what the announcement will render for info this Sunday morn.

I will suggest we start speculating where Chevy will trade him ......... oh what FUN.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 21, 2018, 12:36:01 PM
Are we 24 you're in yet? Do they normally take the entries allotted time to give team and player a chance to negotiate? Or could we hear at any moment?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 21, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
Are we 24 you're in yet? Do they normally take the entries allotted time to give team and player a chance to negotiate? Or could we hear at any moment?
24 hours till the arbitrator must give their ruling. Not looking good but still time for the two parties to agree to a long term deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 21, 2018, 01:05:40 PM
Trouba asking for too much. He hasn't got the speed. Vegas has defenseman who can play offense and defensively. But hes worth 4.5  if he thinks hes worth more hes a 3 or 4 defenseman on thiss team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 21, 2018, 02:18:08 PM
Trouba asking for too much. He hasn't got the speed. Vegas has defenseman who can play offense and defensively. But hes worth 4.5  if he thinks hes worth more hes a 3 or 4 defenseman on thiss team.

Pretty uninformed comment.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 21, 2018, 02:20:46 PM
Dumba just signed a 6M per for the next 5 years. Using this guy as an easy comparison ....
we may argue, with bias, that Trouba is the better Dman, however Dumba stays more healthy & has quite the positive numbers.

Trouba & Dumba both kill penalties whereas Dumba is a fixture on the Wild PP, where he has 14 goals & 22 assists in 3 seasons to Troubas 2 gls & 9 assists..
Dumba has missed only 7 games in the past 3 seasons ....... to Trouba's 50 games in sick bay, 49 in the past 2 seasons.
Dumba has been a plus 15, 15, & 1 in the past 3, while Trouba is a decent plus 9, 4, 10. Keep in mind that no player gets a plus if on ice during a successful PP.

Chevy has a tough task to get this guy in at no more than 6M per, hopefully at 5.75 per & give Morrissey the same
.......... time marches slowly & impatiently all week.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2018, 02:38:53 PM
Pretty uninformed comment.

What else is new.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 21, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
24 hours till the arbitrator must give their ruling. Not looking good but still time for the two parties to agree to a long term deal.

Apparently the meeting went until 2:30. That is one long period of time telling a guy he's not worth what he says he is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
Looks like no longer term deal. Trouba and his agent are *******! Ridiculous.

I do not think the jets would offer something to low. I really don?t.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2018, 05:06:55 PM
Apparently the meeting went until 2:30. That is one long period of time telling a guy he's not worth what he says he is.

5+ hours... That's insane.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 21, 2018, 05:41:21 PM
Apparently the meeting went until 2:30. That is one long period of time telling a guy he's not worth what he says he is.
Each party gets 90 minutes which is 3 hours. Plus additional time for rebuttals.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: In Motion on July 21, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
I don't think Chevy had much of a choice when it came to locking down Hellybucyk.
Wouldn't mind trading Trouba if he's asking too much.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2018, 06:33:39 PM
 I can almost assure you it?s going to be a one year contract. Then he?ll be on the trading block depending on how the Jets are doing by time trade deadline approaches. If their tops in the league or somewhere close I see they keep them to the end and let em go.

I?d be shocked if they get a two-year contract in arbitration though I hear it?s possible.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 22, 2018, 04:05:58 AM
Earlier Armia was traded & Cap Friendly didn't adjust when I read it saying the Jets needed 6 contracts.
So Lowry got signed but that's balanced with the loss of Armia.  Presently there is just over 18M in Cap space & 6 contracts still to go.
However I noted that we just have 5 players left listed as RFA's to sign.  That being Tanev, Dano, Poolman, Morrissey & Trouba. 
So perfect chance for Brendan Lemieux (839,167K) to excel in camp & make the team.   Vesalainen still is NOT signed.

Clock is ticking with our speculating heightened.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 22, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
I can almost assure you it?s going to be a one year contract. Then he?ll be on the trading block depending on how the Jets are doing by time trade deadline approaches. If their tops in the league or somewhere close I see they keep them to the end and let em go.

I?d be shocked if they get a two-year contract in arbitration though I hear it?s possible.
Jets chose a one year contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 22, 2018, 07:24:54 PM
Jets/Chevy now to decide whether to accept the arbitrator's decision of 1 year for 5.5M ......... basic no brainer
Good amount for the next dozen years (oooops, daydreaming).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 22, 2018, 07:32:22 PM
What a silly and pointless headache for the organization.

I guess Trouba publicly stating he wants to be part of this team long term was just nonsense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 22, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
Time to move on will life a progress.

Trade him away before this season begins to maximize return. Waiting could be a huge risk and lessen he trade value for multiple reasons (injury, crappy play, UFA in 2 years one less).

Count me in this boat.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 22, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
What a silly and pointless headache for the organization.

I guess Trouba publicly stating he wants to be part of this team long term was just nonsense.

A guy that works for me is a friend of Troubas brother. He has no intention of signing here.

He tells me Trouba is a suck and a mamas boy. The guys on the team know it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 22, 2018, 11:56:33 PM
A guy that works for me is a friend of Troubas brother. He has no intention of signing here.

He tells me Trouba is a suck and a mamas boy. The guys on the team know it.

Apparently he is a slow whit as well. lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 23, 2018, 12:17:26 AM

Trade him away before this season begins to maximize return. Waiting could be a huge risk and lessen he trade value for multiple reasons (injury, crappy play, UFA in 2 years one less).

Count me in this boat.
    Quite agree ...... also ...... the fight for better PP time is crucial to Trouba increasing his value. If Myers gets traded than Chevy is really drinking the Trouba kool aid 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 12:42:22 AM
No way Myers gets moved now. If anything, Trouba gets moved sooner than later (good riddance) and Myers gets re-signed.

In other, positive news, Tanev has re-signed: https://www.tsn.ca/jets-sign-f-tanev-to-one-year-deal-1.1145384 (https://www.tsn.ca/jets-sign-f-tanev-to-one-year-deal-1.1145384)

1 year, $1.15M. I like it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 23, 2018, 12:48:30 AM
Nice low ball figure for Tanev & if he puts in more of his chances ........ great for team & his contract value next year ..... a theoretical Win - Win


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 23, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
5 hours to hear the case, and I guess both sides were compelling with a split right down the middle...

I guess the one year option kinda makes sense to get to a long term deal next year, but wouldn't the two year deal make him better trade bait?  Either way, keep or trade, 2 years is better I think.  Unless they are worried the player would be mad at missing out a little on the second year.  He and his agent have already thrown away $6 mil in potential earnings with that bridge deal...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 23, 2018, 01:05:53 PM
The jets got what they wanted. 5.5 for one year. Now they will multiply that number by 4 and say heres 22 mil for 4.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 01:17:13 PM
The jets got what they wanted. 5.5 for one year. Now they will multiply that number by 4 and say heres 22 mil for 4.

The Jets didn't get what they wanted.

And the bolded part is not how it works.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 23, 2018, 02:52:27 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 23, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.

I could be wrong, but the way I understand it, the arbitrator ruled $5.5M for a one year deal, meaning you can't just change the terms of what the arbitrator ruled for 1 year and stretch it out as long as you like. Even if that were the case, no way Trouba would go for that. It is clear that, for reasons none of us know for sure, Trouba doesn't want to be here.

Again, I could be wrong about how this works, and please correct me if I am.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 23, 2018, 03:25:34 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.

Trouba just sat through a very long pitch from the Jets as to why he is worth less than some defenseman in the league that are very much worse than he is. Very slim chance you then go on to sign a guy long term after telling him how worthless you think he is through arbitration.

Beyond that, your post is absolutely not how it works. Trouba does not have to sign a deal at 5.5 long term just because an arbitrator ruled that. He only has to sign that for this single 1 year contract with the Jets should they choose to keep him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 03:54:59 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.

Yeah, you really don't have a clue. The Jets get Trouba for a year; that's guaranteed. Beyond that, it's not up to them how this plays out. Trouba and his agent clearly prefer to play hardball and his camp will continue to do so until he's traded.

I suggest you get familiar with the arbitration process and how it actually works.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 23, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Yeah, you really don't have a clue. The Jets get Trouba for a year; that's guaranteed. Beyond that, it's not up to them how this plays out. Trouba and his agent clearly prefer to play hardball and his camp will continue to do so until he's traded.

I suggest you get familiar with the arbitration process and how it actually works.

Time to trade Trouba. He's probably worth most in a trade now. We obviously aren't going to pay what he wants and another year is unlikely to change anything in either direction.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 04:53:18 PM
Time to trade Trouba. He's probably worth most in a trade now. We obviously aren't going to pay what he wants and another year is unlikely to change anything in either direction.

I agree. Obviously, he was just feeding the media and the fanbase horse turds when he said he wants to be here for the long haul.

It's all about the money with him. Another Oberhardt client with a fat head causing headaches and speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Trade him away and be done with this stupidity.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 23, 2018, 08:41:21 PM
We need to come to the reality that Trouba wants out, which is disappointing for a draft and develop team like the Jets...I was getting pretty excited of having a Trouba/Morrissey top paring for the next 6-8 years. 

Having said that, I think Trouba a Jet this season for a Cup run, and then traded next offseason.  His trade value is higher now, but we need him for a cup run, unless we can get equal value now in return. 

With Trouba likely gone, this likely means Myers will be getting an extension.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 23, 2018, 08:51:02 PM
Not only does the 5.5M stand firm, per the arbitrator ruling but the Jets, should they accept it & sign Trouba ........ can't negotiate until January
No doubt #8 will be striving hard to be healthy & up his value with great play.  However, I say cut bait ...... trade him before TC.

If he starts in our home, season opener ....... the barrage of boooooing may be an embarrassment. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 23, 2018, 10:37:20 PM
Get what you can now!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: PloenFan on July 24, 2018, 03:09:06 AM
Trouba played 55 games this season and 60 the previous season, so is he starting to have injury problems ?
Maybe it's time to give Chiarot a bigger role, sign Morrissey and Poolman, and give Sami Niku a chance.
Perhaps we could trade Trouba for a centre to play with Laine and Ehlers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 24, 2018, 03:55:30 AM
Trouba for Dumba... straight up.  No?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 24, 2018, 12:31:58 PM
Trouba for Dumba... straight up.  No?

???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
Trouba for Dumba... straight up.  No?
Why would Minnesota do that?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 24, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
Why would Minnesota do that?
Because Trouba loves Minnesota... doesn't he?  They could sign him long term there too... and he's a better D man, no?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 24, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
Because Trouba loves Minnesota... doesn't he?  They could sign him long term there too... and he's a better D man, no?

He loves Minnesota...? Says who?

The Wild just signed Dumba to a new, long-term, team-friendly contract. Why would Paul Fenton, who just got the GM position there, trade him straight up for a player who's not even signed and just went through a nasty round of arbitration?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 03:25:09 PM
Because Trouba loves Minnesota... doesn't he?  They could sign him long term there too... and he's a better D man, no?
I've heard the teams he wants to play for are Detroit, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay and Florida. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 03:27:23 PM
He loves Minnesota...? Says who?

The Wild just signed Dumba to a new, long-term, team-friendly contract. Why would Paul Fenton, who just got the GM position there, trade him straight up for a player who's not even signed and just went through a nasty round of arbitration?
Yep, before people propose trades they really need to look at the trade form the other parties perspective.  I remember when my buddy was convinced the Jets could trade Pavelec, Tangradi and Peluso to Edmonton for Jordan Eberle.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 06:41:23 PM
Heard Poolman is closing in on a 3 year deal with the Jets. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 24, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
Heard Poolman is closing in on a 3 year deal with the Jets. 

Looks to be official now: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man)

3 years, $775K AAV.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 24, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Good stuff, we are going to need to have some players who punch above their cap hit when the salary crunch comes in full force next summer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
Looks to be official now: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man)

3 years, $775K AAV.
That's a beautiful contract for your 6/7 d-man, who has upside for more. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on July 24, 2018, 08:54:39 PM
Dano also signed at one year, $800,000. That?s $50000 less than last year. Next up hopefully is Morrissey.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 09:01:24 PM
Petan is probably next and then Morrissey. I'm hoping for 8 years for Morrissey.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 25, 2018, 02:45:30 AM
I've heard the teams he wants to play for are Detroit, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay and Florida. 
Is it a friend of a friend scenario that gives you the "I've heard" .......... good choices/wish list by Trouba

Detroit have 3 contracts to go with less than 3M of Cap space ........ C/LW, Dylan Larkin is an RFA yet signed by them & they are in desperate need of a young Dman ... Hmmm !
Rangers have over 19M in Cap with 3 contracts needed ......... RFA's,  Dman, Brady Skjei & C/LW Ryan Spooner both have upside
Tampa has under 3M of cap & would have to offer Chevy salary dumps to afford Trouba ...... which may tempt Chevy
Florida, with real good centres, also is Cap strapped & would have to offer the likes of C/LW, Huberdeau or Barkov at 5.9 for 5 years. Trocheck & Bjugstad are also real decent. 

** NOTE: Jets website says that Trouba's contract still has yet to be confirmed as signed ........ hmmmmm !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 25, 2018, 12:04:13 PM
I would trade him for a good forward. Fast and good puck handler , winger or centreman.  Better chance of trading for a better forward. Some of our forwards wouldn't get that much in return. If they traded Stastny which they couldn't , he could have brought us a good player in return. Some teams like Toronto need defenseman, and Toronto has a lot of forwards. Or Florida, they have some good forwards. Doubt they would trade Barkov. But need a smooth forward like Nashville and Vegas have in their lineup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 25, 2018, 12:54:38 PM
I've heard the teams he wants to play for are Detroit, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay and Florida. 

No idea if that's true or not but it makes sense. Detroit is close to where he grew up, New York isn't very far away and Tampa and Florida have no state income tax. Trouba seems like the kind of guy who likes the game but loves the money and lifestyle more.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 25, 2018, 02:17:19 PM
Forwards are fine on this team, we will have an issue getting our young players into the lineup up front.  Our top 9 has players better than many top 6's...  and bringing in another salary (which is what a good forward will bring) into that mix is cap wasteful.

D for D is best, not sure if a young D (if our scouts like him, sure) is better, or a vet and a prospect/pick would be a better return on Trouba.  I don't see him being here long term, so Chevy should keep his ear to the ground when D go down early in the season. 

Waiting too long on Trouba brings a number of problems into the situation, if he puts up big offensive numbers, he gets easier to trade, but harder to sign, if he doesn't, its the opposite, although I think that regardless his production his number is never south of $7 mil... 

I trust Chevy, though.  He will find the optimum situation, one way or the other.  If we end up losing Trouba as a UFA, so be it... but I don't think Chevy will let that happen.  Worst comes to worst, he can sign him for his number and then trade his sorry butt...  someone will take him if he continues his present level, regardless price.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 25, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
No idea if that's true or not but it makes sense. Detroit is close to where he grew up, New York isn't very far away and Tampa and Florida have no state income tax. Trouba seems like the kind of guy who likes the game but loves the money and lifestyle more.
Plus Trouba owns a condo in Florida and his GF is going to school there. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: PloenFan on July 26, 2018, 02:23:51 AM
According to the Jets website, Trouba has signed a one year contract for $ 5.5 million:

https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-trouba-put-pen-to-paper-on-new-one-year-contract/c-299583764

Hopefully we can get Morrissey signed soon.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on July 27, 2018, 11:50:07 AM
This is the year the Jets have to go all in.  Next year the Jets will be in salary cap hell, having to sign Laine, Connor, Wheeler, and Myers.  We have to use our big guns now, while they are here.  Chances are Trouba and (my guess) Connor will be gone next year, since Trouba does not want to play in Winnipeg, and we cannot keep all of our stars, and I would rather have Wheeler for 5 more years than Connor.  It's a given that Laine is going to get a massive contract, possibly north of $9 million if he has another 40 goal season. 

I would also take an upgrade on our backup goalie, at the trade deadline...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 27, 2018, 12:49:44 PM
This is the year the Jets have to go all in.  Next year the Jets will be in salary cap hell, having to sign Laine, Connor, Wheeler, and Myers.  We have to use our big guns now, while they are here.  Chances are Trouba and (my guess) Connor will be gone next year, since Trouba does not want to play in Winnipeg, and we cannot keep all of our stars, and I would rather have Wheeler for 5 more years than Connor.  It's a given that Laine is going to get a massive contract, possibly north of $9 million if he has another 40 goal season. 

I would also take an upgrade on our backup goalie, at the trade deadline...
I wouldn't not say next year we are in "salary cap hell".  But there will be a few tough decisions to make.  I expect Perreault will be traded and one of Troba/Myers will be gone.  Kulikov might be traded as well. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 27, 2018, 06:59:37 PM
Kulikov & his pretty big $$ contract, can go now ........ Jets showed they can win without him


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 27, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
Kulikov & his pretty big $$ contract, can go now ........ Jets showed they can win without him
Tough to trade a guy who just had major back surgery.   He will have to prove he is 100% healthy before he has any trade value, unless we want to give up assets to get another team to take him like the Mason/Armia trade. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 27, 2018, 09:35:54 PM
I don't see a lot of movement on the team, the dynamic is pretty solid.  I'm sure if the right deal came along for a guy like Kulikov, Perrealt, Little or Copp, Chevy would feel confident in making a move to open cap space and let some young guns get ice time....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 27, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
I don't see a lot of movement on the team, the dynamic is pretty solid.  I'm sure if the right deal came along for a guy like Kulikov, Perrealt, Little or Copp, Chevy would feel confident in making a move to open cap space and let some young guns get ice time....

Of course they want to keep everyone together. It just can't happen.

At some point they're going to have to trade or move on from certain players to make room for all our young kids coming off of their entry level contracts.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 28, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
I don't see a lot of movement on the team, the dynamic is pretty solid.  I'm sure if the right deal came along for a guy like Kulikov, Perrealt, Little or Copp, Chevy would feel confident in making a move to open cap space and let some young guns get ice time....


Ill doubt Copp goes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on July 28, 2018, 09:18:47 AM
I wouldn't not say next year we are in "salary cap hell".  But there will be a few tough decisions to make.  I expect Perreault will be traded and one of Troba/Myers will be gone.  Kulikov might be traded as well. 

If Kulikov even plays much next year.  The back injury he has is often career ending.  It happened a few years back with Clitsome.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 28, 2018, 04:46:49 PM
Tough to trade a guy who just had major back surgery.   He will have to prove he is 100% healthy before he has any trade value, unless we want to give up assets to get another team to take him like the Mason/Armia trade. 


He had no surgery. Opted out of it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 28, 2018, 10:03:51 PM

He had no surgery. Opted out of it.
You are incorrect. He had the surgery.  He just delayed it until after the playoffs.

For someone who sure likes to criticize others all the time, you might want to get your facts straight. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 29, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
You are incorrect. He had the surgery.  He just delayed it until after the playoffs.

For someone who sure likes to criticize others all the time, you might want to get your facts straight. 


LOL

And what did holding it off do for either?   What was the point of it all?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 29, 2018, 05:54:09 PM
And what did holding it off do for either?   What was the point of it all?

He held off and tried other treatment options and was able to return to the lineup in the playoffs. He had surgery in June, IIRC.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on July 29, 2018, 07:43:13 PM
Pretty sure we keep Connor.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 30, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Pretty sure we keep Connor.

It would be a colossal mistake if he was an eventual cap casualty.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 01, 2018, 01:29:27 AM
What the heck is taking so long to get the Jets and JoMo to get together?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
What the heck is taking so long to get the Jets and JoMo to get together?

It's August 1st. Still plenty of time for the two sides to figure out what's best. I have to think the Trouba situation has played a factor, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 01, 2018, 04:05:41 PM
Based on my math, we should be able to do a long-term deal with Morrissey at around $5.5 million.  At least for this season.  Next year guys like Perreault will need to go. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2018, 04:33:34 PM
Ken Wiebe wrote up a nice article a couple of weeks back on the Morrissey situation. It provided some pretty solid insight on all the angles: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/morrissey-has-options-to-mull-over-jets-blue-liner-must-decide-between-short-or-long-term-deal (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/morrissey-has-options-to-mull-over-jets-blue-liner-must-decide-between-short-or-long-term-deal)

A pretty good read for those wondering about #44 inking a new contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 01, 2018, 06:01:28 PM
There is some decent logic behind the bridge route for both ......... however I also feel they could be wise to get him at 5.5M now for long term
Currently at approx. 10.2M of space based on 21 of 23 baseline contracts ...... so far 12 forwards, 7 Dmen & 2 goalies
..... if 3.7M is set aside for bonuses & give Josh M. 5.5M ...... that leaves a modest 1M to be used during the season for a player to be rostered, i.e. Petan or Lemieux

Thinking that a modest, careful Chevy, is either going to dump Trouba, Perrault, Myers or Kulikov by TC or Morrissey gets a bridge deal

Interesting to see that Petan's 2 way contract gets placed with the Moose players rather than affecting the Jet's Cap space.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 03, 2018, 03:35:53 AM
It would be a colossal mistake if he was an eventual cap casualty.

So you are saying we should give up on Laine then?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 03, 2018, 03:56:29 AM

Thinking that a modest, careful Chevy, is either going to dump Trouba, Perrault, Myers or Kulikov by TC or Morrissey gets a bridge deal


The Jets won't want to break up the nucleus of the team, when the team is a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.  As for the players you mention:

Trouba- virtually no chance the Jets trade him until the 2019 offseason.  He is crucial for any playoff run.
Perreault- If he is to be moved, it would be after the season. Perreault will be tough to move, due to his age (31).
Myers- His salary is only $3 million for 2018-19.  Chances are we lose him as an UFA, or sign him to a more cap-friendly contract.
Kulikov- There is absolutely no team that would take a player making $4.3 million with a back-injury that is career threatening.  Only way we move him is to offer assets, like the Mason trade.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 03, 2018, 12:07:40 PM
The Jets won't want to break up the nucleus of the team, when the team is a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.  As for the players you mention:

Trouba- virtually no chance the Jets trade him until the 2019 offseason.  He is crucial for any playoff run.
Perreault- If he is to be moved, it would be after the season. Perreault will be tough to move, due to his age (31).
Myers- His salary is only $3 million for 2018-19.  Chances are we lose him as an UFA, or sign him to a more cap-friendly contract.
Kulikov- There is absolutely no team that would take a player making $4.3 million with a back-injury that is career threatening.  Only way we move him is to offer assets, like the Mason trade.

Good points. The only way I see Trouba getting moved is if the return is equal, which means a similarly aged and skilled defenseman. I also don't see Myers getting moved now based on how the Trouba debacle unfolded.

I could see Perreault getting moved at the deadline depending on how the forwards shake out. A team like Montreal could use someone off his talents and Bergevin is probably gullible enough to bite on such a trade. He's still a few decent years left, IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on August 03, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
So you are saying we should give up on Laine then?

Interesting how you came to that


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 03, 2018, 09:44:15 PM
Good points. The only way I see Trouba getting moved is if the return is equal, which means a similarly aged and skilled defenseman. I also don't see Myers getting moved now based on how the Trouba debacle unfolded.

I could see Perreault getting moved at the deadline depending on how the forwards shake out. A team like Montreal could use someone off his talents and Bergevin is probably gullible enough to bite on such a trade. He's still a few decent years left, IMO.

Trade Perrault when he is healthy and not injured 🤕😉


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 04, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
Trade Perrault when he is healthy and not injured 🤕😉
Agree. Perreault has become redundant. Petan should be able to replace him at a much lower salary.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 04, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Agree. Perreault has become redundant. Petan should be able to replace him at a much lower salary.

I love his play but he is fragile.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 05, 2018, 05:46:44 AM
Interesting how you came to that

It's simple mathematics.

We have to give up a young Jets player or two.  We will have no cap room for the 2019-20 season.

We have to sign:

Wheeler
Laine
Connor
Myers

We may likely bridge Morrissey

We have signed:

Hellebuyck $6.16M
Little $5.29M
Ehlers $6M
Scheifele $6.125M
Buff $7.6
Kulikov $4.33M
Lowry $2.92M
Perreault $4.13M


There is simply no way we can sign all of Wheeler, Laine, Connor, and Myers.  2 of them will be gone.  Probably Myers, but it may be a choice between Laine and Connor.  Laine will be looking north of $9 million, and Connor will want at least $5.5 million.  There is no way we part with Laine, so it's either Wheeler or Connor we trade.

Look at Chicago in 2010.  Traded Buff and Ladd (both 24 at the time) for cap space.  Saying we are going to keep every good top 6 forward is foolish.  Ot's not going to happen.  I just pray that Kulikov's back recovers so that he has trade value.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 12:09:06 PM
It's simple mathematics.

We have to give up a young Jets player or two.  We will have no cap room for the 2019-20 season.

We have to sign:

Wheeler
Laine
Connor
Myers

We may likely bridge Morrissey

We have signed:

Hellebuyck $6.16M
Little $5.29M
Ehlers $6M
Scheifele $6.125M
Buff $7.6
Kulikov $4.33M
Lowry $2.92M
Perreault $4.13M


There is simply no way we can sign all of Wheeler, Laine, Connor, and Myers.  2 of them will be gone.  Probably Myers, but it may be a choice between Laine and Connor.  Laine will be looking north of $9 million, and Connor will want at least $5.5 million.  There is no way we part with Laine, so it's either Wheeler or Connor we trade.

Look at Chicago in 2010.  Traded Buff and Ladd (both 24 at the time) for cap space.  Saying we are going to keep every good top 6 forward is foolish.  Ot's not going to happen.  I just pray that Kulikov's back recovers so that he has trade value.



Not sure if I completely agree that we can only sign 2 of those 4,  but if that was the case, then Laine and Connor are the obvious choices.  I like our depth on D so Myers is not top priority and Wheeler is expendable. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 12:51:26 PM
Not sure if I completely agree that we can only sign 2 of those 4,  but if that was the case, then Laine and Connor are the obvious choices.  I like our depth on D so Myers is not top priority and Wheeler is expendable. 

Wheeler "expendable'?  Wow.. you haven't watched a Jets game, ever, right?  They more likely buy out Buff than not give Wheeler a deal he agrees to.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 01:32:49 PM
Wheeler "expendable'?  Wow.. you haven't watched a Jets game, ever, right?  They more likely buy out Buff than not give Wheeler a deal he agrees to.

Yes, I watch pretty much every Jets game.  If you read my comment more carefully, maybe you would reconsider your comment.  First off, I specifically stated that I was only commenting on the 4 players that he named, so your logic on Byfuglien was not even considered.

Also, of the 4 players that he named, yes, Wheeler is the most expendable.... obviously he would be great to keep around, but he is 31 and had a better than average year last year.... there is no way I would keep Wheeler over Laine, Connor or Myers, all things considered.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
Yes, I watch pretty much every Jets game.  If you read my comment more carefully, maybe you would reconsider your comment.  First off, I specifically stated that I was only commenting on the 4 players that he named, so your logic on Byfuglien was not even considered.

Also, of the 4 players that he named, yes, Wheeler is the most expendable.... obviously he would be great to keep around, but he is 31 and had a better than average year last year.... there is no way I would keep Wheeler over Laine, Connor or Myers, all things considered.

Liane is probably the only player less expendable on this team that Wheeler, and that is debatable.  He is the heart and soul of this team , that leads by example in game, in practice and in life.  Remember when a young Liane scored an own goal?  Who was there to handle the situation? 

He was 9th in points last year in the league.  Not on the team, in the 31 team league. 
13th among forwards on TOI/game, and played 81 games.

Connor has potential, sure, and comparing a winger to a dman is not really applicable.

But there is no way Wheeler does not get a contract extension where he gets paid commensurate to his on ice performance, and we will be getting a deal at that price, with what he brings in the room and off the ice.

Sorry, this is not even close.  Make any cap moves you want to, but calculate Wheeler in at a minimum of 7-8 mil over 6-8 years


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Wheeler "expendable'?  Wow.. you haven't watched a Jets game, ever, right?  They more likely buy out Buff than not give Wheeler a deal he agrees to.

Why would the team buy out Byfuglien? That makes absolutely zero sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 03:05:00 PM
Liane is probably the only player less expendable on this team that Wheeler, and that is debatable.  He is the heart and soul of this team , that leads by example in game, in practice and in life.  Remember when a young Liane scored an own goal?  Who was there to handle the situation? 

He was 9th in points last year in the league.  Not on the team, in the 31 team league. 
13th among forwards on TOI/game, and played 81 games.

Connor has potential, sure, and comparing a winger to a dman is not really applicable.

But there is no way Wheeler does not get a contract extension where he gets paid commensurate to his on ice performance, and we will be getting a deal at that price, with what he brings in the room and off the ice.

Sorry, this is not even close.  Make any cap moves you want to, but calculate Wheeler in at a minimum of 7-8 mil over 6-8 years

Are you being serious?  Give Wheeler, at 31 years old, a 6-8 year contract at 8 million per year?  Lol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 03:10:47 PM
Why would the team buy out Byfuglien? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him?  would buying out Buf's deal and re-signing him have a positive cap effect?  He's only getting paid a few mill actual dollars of the next few years but had a high cap hit.  So, we buy out those years at a tiny cost, but make a big SMS saving.. and then re-sign him to a cap friendly amount for more than he's making now, plus his buyout.  


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
Are you being serious?  Give Wheeler, at 31 years old, a 6-8 year contract at 8 million per year?  Lol.


Yes.  Totally.  Ladd was 30 when we offered him 6 at 6... and he was never the player Wheeler is, on the ice or in the room...

8 years, would be at 6-7, 6 years would be 7-8...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 03:16:08 PM
Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him? 

So, you chose to bring up the "more likely" of an extremely unlikely scenario... Why?

And no. That makes about as much sense as you suggesting the Jets re-sign Wheeler to such a ridiculous contract.

Ladd was 30 when we offered him 6 at 6...

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything anymore.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 03:23:29 PM
So, you chose to bring up the "more likely" of an extremely unlikely scenario... Why?

And no. That makes about as much sense as you suggesting the Jets re-sign Wheeler to such a ridiculous contract.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything anymore.

SO, what is a reasonable contract for Wheeler, taking into account his contributions?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
SO, what is a reasonable contract for Wheeler, taking into account his contributions?

I won't speculate on what's a reasonable contract but re-signing a soon-to-be 32-year old winger to $48-$64 million into his late 30s is anything but reasonable when you take a snapshot of the Jets' current situation.

Looking at the full scope of this team and the youth soon to be in need of new contracts, he'll have to take a discount to stay here, IMO. There's simply no way you keep him for the cost/term you're suggesting without losing a piece of the young talent on the roster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
I won't speculate on what's a reasonable contract but re-signing a soon-to-be 32-year old winger to $48-$64 million into his late 30s is anything but reasonable when you take a snapshot of the Jets' current situation.

Looking at the full scope of this team and the youth soon to be in need of new contracts, he'll have to take a discount to stay here, IMO. There's simply no way you keep him for the cost/term you're suggesting without losing a piece of the young talent on the roster.

Perfect.  Well said.  This was exactly my point. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 03:58:34 PM
Awesome read on Laine: https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501 (https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 04:17:17 PM
I won't speculate on what's a reasonable contract but re-signing a soon-to-be 32-year old winger to $48-$64 million into his late 30s is anything but reasonable when you take a snapshot of the Jets' current situation.

Looking at the full scope of this team and the youth soon to be in need of new contracts, he'll have to take a discount to stay here, IMO. There's simply no way you keep him for the cost/term you're suggesting without losing a piece of the young talent on the roster.

Someone will give him that contract.  Sure, we have a wealth of talent on this team, and have to make some tough decisions.  But Wheeler is a guy that you make that kind of commitment to.  8 years is going to be a tough call, but if it comes at $6 per year cap hit, that's a pretty good deal.   

Buff got 5 at 7.6 when he was 30.  Would you rather offer wheeler that deal?  5 years, almost 40 mil.  8 at $6 mil is $48 mil, so you get 3 extra years at less than $3mil per year, and 2 mil in cap space back. 

That's why you give him 8 years. 

Wheeler is a durable player that works hard in the offseason, and has missed 4 games in 5 years.  There is no reason to expect he won't be a solid contributor late into his 30's...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 04:21:57 PM
Someone will give him that contract.  Sure, we have a wealth of talent on this team, and have to make some tough decisions.  But Wheeler is a guy that you make that kind of commitment to.  8 years is going to be a tough call, but if it comes at $6 per year cap hit, that's a pretty good deal.   

Buff got 5 at 7.6 when he was 30.  Would you rather offer wheeler that deal?  5 years, almost 40 mil.  8 at $6 mil is $48 mil, so you get 3 extra years at less than $3mil per year, and 2 mil in cap space back. 

That's why you give him 8 years. 

Wheeler is a durable player that works hard in the offseason, and has missed 4 games in 5 years.  There is no reason to expect he won't be a solid contributor late into his 30's...

Obviously you have convinced yourself that this ridiculous contract is a smart move. We can agree to disagree. On an ending note, I am pretty sure the majority of Jets fans would disagree with your idea.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 04:54:28 PM
Awesome read on Laine: https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501 (https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501)

Good to hear that he wants to sign a long term deal to stay in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
I don't think there is a Jets fan that would be against signing Wheeler to at least 5 years.   That deal is going to be 8 mil a year, doubtless.  

Signing him to 6, 7 or 8 makes sense, both short and long term.  Lower cap hit on the AAV, more room to sign other players.  Might hurt on the back end if he stops producing at 38... but there is no reason to believe that will happen.  And we will get full seasons out of him, because he is durable and responsible.  

I worry that if we don't step up to the plate, and he gets to UFA, he can get a better offer elsewhere.  We will get a discount for familiarity, and the advantage we have is term as well.  The risk/reward of a 7-8 year deal makes sense on this player.  If we were talking a guy who plays 40-60 games a year, of course no.  But Wheeler is both a great player and durable.  Can't see downside there...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 05:01:50 PM
Someone will give him that contract.  Sure, we have a wealth of talent on this team, and have to make some tough decisions.  But Wheeler is a guy that you make that kind of commitment to.  8 years is going to be a tough call, but if it comes at $6 per year cap hit, that's a pretty good deal.  

Buff got 5 at 7.6 when he was 30.  Would you rather offer wheeler that deal?  5 years, almost 40 mil.  8 at $6 mil is $48 mil, so you get 3 extra years at less than $3mil per year, and 2 mil in cap space back. 

That's why you give him 8 years. 

Wheeler is a durable player that works hard in the offseason, and has missed 4 games in 5 years.  There is no reason to expect he won't be a solid contributor late into his 30's...

Then let another team with more cap space and less young talent do just that. Same way the Islanders did with Ladd and that garbage contract they gave him.

Nobody is arguing Wheeler's qualities or what he brings to the table, BTW. Anyone who watches this team knows his body work, so you're essentially beating a dead horse. What you seem to ignore, however, is this crucial element called the salary cap and that limits what's feasible for this team. The Jets can simply not afford to pay him what you're suggesting if they wish to retain the young talent they've drafted and developed.

And there is absolutely reason to expect he'll taper out in the future. Most players decline into their 30s and especially after the 35 year mark.

Also, I'd argue Laine and Scheifele are both way less expendable than Wheeler. Among quite a few others, to be perfectly honest. You know, players actually drafted by this organization who are just hitting their stride and will be the core of the Jets for the next decade or so. If Wheeler so chooses to chase money for what could be his last big contract (not that there's anything wrong with that, BTW), saying he's expendable is not an insulting statement.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
I don't think there is a Jets fan that would be against signing Wheeler to at least 5 years.   That deal is going to be 8 mil a year, doubtless.  

Signing him to 6, 7 or 8 makes sense, both short and long term.  Lower cap hit on the AAV, more room to sign other players.  Might hurt on the back end if he stops producing at 38... but there is no reason to believe that will happen.  And we will get full seasons out of him, because he is durable and responsible.  

I worry that if we don't step up to the plate, and he gets to UFA, he can get a better offer elsewhere.  We will get a discount for familiarity, and the advantage we have is term as well.  The risk/reward of a 7-8 year deal makes sense on this player.  If we were talking a guy who plays 40-60 games a year, of course no.  But Wheeler is both a great player and durable.  Can't see downside there...

I would never give Wheeler 8 million.  The amount of cap space that would eat up and take away from signing other future prospects is simply not worth it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 05:47:46 PM
I would never give Wheeler 8 million.  The amount of cap space that would eat up and take away from signing other future prospects is simply not worth it.

He would easily garner a 5yr / 8mil per contract on the open market...

Which is why you sign him to 8 at 6...  he gets more guaranteed, we save even if we buy out the last year or two, and we get an extra 2 mil cap space...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 05:56:04 PM
He would easily garner a 5yr / 8mil per contract on the open market...

Which is why you sign him to 8 at 6...  he gets more guaranteed, we save even if we buy out the last year or two, and we get an extra 2 mil cap space...

Sorry but 8 years at any cost it too long, and 8 million is too much.

He may get 8 million on the open market, but would be with a team that has the cap space.  He would most likely latch onto a bottom feeder team that needs a boost.  No way he would end up on a Stanley Cup contender.

We have too many other priorities and prospects to worry about, than Wheeler for 8 years or spending 6-8 million on him.

Like I said before, agree to disagree.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Sorry but 8 years at any cost it too long, and 8 million is too much.

He may get 8 million on the open market, but would be with a team that has the cap space.  He would most likely latch onto a bottom feeder team that needs a boost.  No way he would end up on a Stanley Cup contender.

We have too many other priorities and prospects to worry about, than Wheeler for 8 years or spending 6-8 million on him.

Like I said before, agree to disagree.

OK, make your bid.  What do you think is reasonable.  You can't say I'm unreasonable without saying what is...

5 years at $6 mil?  He's making $5.6 this year, and is far underpaid. 

6 years too long?  $7 mil too much?  Have you seen the contracts being signed out there? 

91 points... how many of those assists are on Connor goals? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 06:37:13 PM
OK, make your bid.  What do you think is reasonable.  You can't say I'm unreasonable without saying what is...

5 years at $6 mil?  He's making $5.6 this year, and is far underpaid. 

6 years too long?  $7 mil too much?  Have you seen the contracts being signed out there? 

91 points... how many of those assists are on Connor goals? 

I am not going to sign him based off 91 points last season.  Since coming to Winnipeg in 2011 he has been a low 60s to low 70s point guy.  I am not going to pay him based on one really good season.

Personally I would probably think 4 - 5 years at 6 - 6.5 million would be reasonable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 07:37:19 PM
I am not going to sign him based off 91 points last season.  Since coming to Winnipeg in 2011 he has been a low 60s to low 70s point guy.  I am not going to pay him based on one really good season.

Personally I would probably think 4 - 5 years at 6 - 6.5 million would be reasonable.

In 534 games played as a Jet, Wheeler has put up a total of 478 points. That puts him just shy of 0.9 PPG, best on the team. It's been more than one good season for him and he's been the most consistent Jet as far as offensive production goes.

I agree with your term and money, though. He'll need to take a discount if he wants to be here when the new core takes over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
In 534 games played as a Jet, Wheeler has put up a total of 478 points. That puts him just shy of 0.9 PPG, best on the team. It's been more than one good season for him and he's been the most consistent Jet as far as offensive production goes.

I agree with your term and money, though. He'll need to take a discount if he wants to be here when the new core takes over.

Yes he is very consistent. My point was based on the fact the other poster commented on paying him based on his 91 points last year. Not taking anything away from Wheeler but my point was that he shouldn?t be paid based on a 91 point season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 16, 2018, 08:42:11 PM
Wheeler is going to be 32 in a few weeks and will be 33 at the start of next season. No way he gets a 6 year deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 09:21:40 PM
Wheeler is going to be 32 in a few weeks and will be 33 at the start of next season. No way he gets a 6 year deal.

Lol, his original idea was an 8 year deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 16, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
Most I'd give Wheeler is 3-4 years max at an AAV of $7.5-8 million per season; and 4 years makes me a little uncomfortable but I'd probably do it.  He's already making $5.5 so that's only a raise of $2 million.  If another team wants to pay him more and he wants to accept them I'm fine moving on.

I expect Perrault and one of Myers/Trouba gone after next season to create cap space to sign Laine/Connor. We have about $6 million in cap space right now to lock up Morrissey long term this offseason.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 17, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him?  would buying out Buf's deal and re-signing him have a positive cap effect?  He's only getting paid a few mill actual dollars of the next few years but had a high cap hit.  So, we buy out those years at a tiny cost, but make a big SMS saving.. and then re-sign him to a cap friendly amount for more than he's making now, plus his buyout.  
Just to inform you ...... Buff's Cap hit is 7.6M thru season 2020-2021 but the Jets pay him 8M per year till the final year at 6M.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 17, 2018, 06:31:41 AM
Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him?  would buying out Buf's deal and re-signing him have a positive cap effect?  He's only getting paid a few mill actual dollars of the next few years but had a high cap hit.  So, we buy out those years at a tiny cost, but make a big SMS saving.. and then re-sign him to a cap friendly amount for more than he's making now, plus his buyout.  

You can't re-sign a bought out player


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 18, 2018, 01:39:27 PM
Just to inform you ...... Buff's Cap hit is 7.6M thru season 2020-2021 but the Jets pay him 8M per year till the final year at 6M.

Sorry, I thought it was more up front.. that was Myers contract...



Stone just got 7.5, right?  Wheeler > Stone. 

I am not going to sign him based off 91 points last season.  Since coming to Winnipeg in 2011 he has been a low 60s to low 70s point guy.  I am not going to pay him based on one really good season.

Personally I would probably think 4 - 5 years at 6 - 6.5 million would be reasonable.

If you could get him to sign that deal, it would be an absolute bargain.  That short a term, I can't see him signing at less than 7 - 7.5.  Not with the tax advantages other teams have, or the needs/wants other teams have.  Ladd got 7 years, $5.5...  and not for point production.  Wheeler is a better leader than Ladd, and scores .2 points per game more... not saying the Isle were smart signing Ladd long term, just saying there are teams that will sign guys...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 18, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
If you're Chevy and it comes down to getting Wheeler back or keeping Laine/Connor/Roso long term, I think the choice is easy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 18, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
Sorry, I thought it was more up front.. that was Myers contract...

Stone just got 7.5, right?  Wheeler > Stone. 

If you could get him to sign that deal, it would be an absolute bargain.  That short a term, I can't see him signing at less than 7 - 7.5.  Not with the tax advantages other teams have, or the needs/wants other teams have.  Ladd got 7 years, $5.5...  and not for point production.  Wheeler is a better leader than Ladd, and scores .2 points per game more... not saying the Isle were smart signing Ladd long term, just saying there are teams that will sign guys...
Stone is a UFA after this season and is from Winnipeg. I'd take Stone over Wheeler every day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 18, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
Stone is a UFA after this season and is from Winnipeg. I'd take Stone over Wheeler every day.

Wow... not sure I agree, not knowing Stone that well, but knowing what Wheeler means to the team here. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 18, 2018, 10:45:24 PM
Wow... not sure I agree, not knowing Stone that well, but knowing what Wheeler means to the team here. 



Mark Stone is almost 6 years younger than Wheeler and is awesome.  I would take Mark Stone over Wheeler any day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 18, 2018, 11:22:06 PM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on August 18, 2018, 11:29:25 PM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.


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Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 18, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.

Stone was a Calder nominee in 2014-15 (tied to lead all rookies with 64 points) and is only 26 years old.  In his last 3 seasons he has 177 points in 204 games, which is 0.87 points per game.  His future is much brighter than Wheelers. 

You are trying to argue what Wheeler has done in the past.  I am looking more at what Stone has in his future.  Stone has a much higher ceiling than Wheeler down the road.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 12:20:18 AM
Stone was a Calder nominee in 2014-15 (tied to lead all rookies with 64 points) and is only 26 years old.  In his last 3 seasons he has 177 points in 204 games, which is 0.87 points per game.  His future is much brighter than Wheelers. 

You are trying to argue what Wheeler has done in the past.  I am looking more at what Stone has in his future.  Stone has a much higher ceiling than Wheeler down the road.

The chances of that are slim to none. Wheeler is a probable point per game player. Stone will be lucky to ever hit that mark.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
Wow... not sure I agree, not knowing Stone that well, but knowing what Wheeler means to the team here. 
Stone is one of the best young wingers in the NHL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:24:41 AM
The chances of that are slim to none. Wheeler is a probable point per game player. Stone will be lucky to ever hit that mark.
Stone had 62 points in 58 games last season. He's a star but doesn't get the recognition because he's in Ottawa.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:34:54 AM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.
With all due respect to Wheeler, at age 32, he's a declining asset, but I can see how a non-objective fan would think the way you do. Almost half of Wheelers points (40) came on the power play, which makes his overall point total last season a little deceiving. Long-term, Stone over Wheeler is a no-brainer. For next season though, I'd probably take Wheeler.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:36:25 AM
Stone was a Calder nominee in 2014-15 (tied to lead all rookies with 64 points) and is only 26 years old.  In his last 3 seasons he has 177 points in 204 games, which is 0.87 points per game.  His future is much brighter than Wheelers. 

You are trying to argue what Wheeler has done in the past.  I am looking more at what Stone has in his future.  Stone has a much higher ceiling than Wheeler down the road.
This. Stone is only going to get better. Wheeler is only going to get worse as he ages.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 19, 2018, 01:41:33 AM
Solution ........ Chevy keeps Wheeler, dumps Trouba & Buff's contracts & signs the terrific Mr. Stone  .......... Fantasy film at 11.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:47:05 AM
Solution ........ Chevy keeps Wheeler, dumps Trouba & Buff's contracts & signs the terrific Mr. Stone  .......... Fantasy film at 11.
Who plays RHD then? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 02:45:06 AM
With all due respect to Wheeler, at age 32, he's a declining asset, but I can see how a non-objective fan would think the way you do. Almost half of Wheelers points (40) came on the power play, which makes his overall point total last season a little deceiving. Long-term, Stone over Wheeler is a no-brainer. For next season though, I'd probably take Wheeler.

The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 08:45:14 AM
The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.

It baffles me that no one seems to take into consideration my point that Wheeler is almost 32, and Stone is 26. Yes, Wheeler is better NOW, and would be better for the Jets this season and maybe next.... but all people keep talking about is signing Wheeler to a 5-8 year contract.  In 2-3 years, Stone will be the more valuable asset and has a much higher ceiling.  Wheeler is not going to get any better during his next deal.  He is what he is.  Stone is still going to improve a lot.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 09:08:22 AM
It baffles me that no one seems to take into consideration my point that Wheeler is almost 32, and Stone is 26. Yes, Wheeler is better NOW, and would be better for the Jets this season and maybe next.... but all people keep talking about is signing Wheeler to a 5-8 year contract.  In 2-3 years, Stone will be the more valuable asset and has a much higher ceiling.  Wheeler is not going to get any better during his next deal.  He is what he is.  Stone is still going to improve a lot.  
I agree 100% with you. There's obviously no convincing Colton since it looks like he's a Wheeler fan boy thinking with emotion and not objectivity.  Like I said in my earlier post, I'd probably want Wheeler next year for one more cup run, but longer term Stone is a no-brainer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 09:17:26 AM
The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.
My point on the power play points is that we have so much talent already who can produce on the power play. A higher percentage of Stone's points came at even strength; those points are more difficult to achieve.

I think Wheeler's biggest asset is his leadership.  But we have young guys like Scheifele who will fill that role. Wheeler would be 33 when his new contract begins. Anything beyond his age 36 season will be a bad decision in my opinion.

Your comments on Stone tell me you don't really follow much on the NHL outside of the Jets. Wheeler is a declining asset. Stone is a rising star.  If you can't see that, well that's your problem, not mine. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
Guys, Colton is a Sharks fan and I would argue is the most knowledgable hockey person on this site. I don't agree with him all the time but he's not some Jets fan boy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
Guys, Colton is a Sharks fan and I would argue is the most knowledgable hockey person on this site. I don't agree with him all the time but he's not some Jets fan boy.

Unfortunately, on this subject he is not very knowledgeable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 19, 2018, 02:48:40 PM
Points aside, who takes Wheelers leadership role?  Buff and Laine are characters, not leaders.  Scheifele might take the mantle, but can he be as effective?  3 or 4 years from now, he could be the leader of the team, but I don't think he is there yet.

Best case scenario is a 3-4 year deal at 6-7mil.  And if Wheeler things that is enough to retire on, and wants to play where he is loved and can win a cup, he will sign that deal.  It would be dumb, but he could. 

I think he is going to get a much better, longer and more lucrative deal from a team that needs his leadership and skill.  And we will have to up that term or cash to retain him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
Unfortunately, on this subject he is not very knowledgeable.
I would agree. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 03:00:46 PM
Points aside, who takes Wheelers leadership role?  Buff and Laine are characters, not leaders.  Scheifele might take the mantle, but can he be as effective?  3 or 4 years from now, he could be the leader of the team, but I don't think he is there yet.

Best case scenario is a 3-4 year deal at 6-7mil.  And if Wheeler things that is enough to retire on, and wants to play where he is loved and can win a cup, he will sign that deal.  It would be dumb, but he could. 

I think he is going to get a much better, longer and more lucrative deal from a team that needs his leadership and skill.  And we will have to up that term or cash to retain him.
Wheeler on a 3-4 year deal at an AAV of $6-7 million is one I'd do. 

On the leadership role, at some point organizations have to move on.  We were fine moving on from Ladd, and we will be fine if we need to move on from Wheeler.  Last year was likely a career year for Wheeler.  He is in all likelihood only going to decline as the years go on.  While there are always exceptions, most players don't get better after the age of 33; history has proven that they get worse. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
Points aside, who takes Wheelers leadership role?  Buff and Laine are characters, not leaders.  Scheifele might take the mantle, but can he be as effective?  3 or 4 years from now, he could be the leader of the team, but I don't think he is there yet.

Best case scenario is a 3-4 year deal at 6-7mil.  And if Wheeler things that is enough to retire on, and wants to play where he is loved and can win a cup, he will sign that deal.  It would be dumb, but he could. 

I think he is going to get a much better, longer and more lucrative deal from a team that needs his leadership and skill.  And we will have to up that term or cash to retain him.

Not saying he takes Wheeler?s role but Scheifele is becoming one heck of a leader.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 19, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
Hopefully Wheeler will do a 3 year deal for 6 million after this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 19, 2018, 07:33:18 PM
Hopefully Wheeler will do a 3 year deal for 6 million after this season.

I can't see him signing that deal.  He can get far more on the open market.  More term and more money.  If we get a "current team discount" I could see him at 4 yrs, 7 mil... and that would be a bargain... but even then, I'm sure he will get much better offers that may be hard to refuse...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 19, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
How many teams do you seriously see going for 4 years or more and over 7 million a year for a 33 year old?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
Your comments on Stone tell me you don't really follow much on the NHL outside of the Jets. Wheeler is a declining asset. Stone is a rising star.  If you can't see that, well that's your problem, not mine. 

I see you've gotten to your "Make BS up" section of your argument process. If that's where this is headed I'll throw out that we're talking about a Winnipeg born NHL player here on a Winnipeg forum. The two posters vehemently defending Stone are already related to each other, and the chances they don't know this player or have some sort of tie to him are slim to none the way they talk about him.

So keep trying to deflect trying to make it look like I'm the one not being objective, when between the three of us I'm the only one whose team isn't the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 09:33:12 PM
I see you've gotten to your "Make BS up" section of your argument process. If that's where this is headed I'll throw out that we're talking about a Winnipeg born NHL player here on a Winnipeg forum. The two posters vehemently defending Stone are already related to each other, and the chances they don't know this player or have some sort of tie to him are slim to none the way they talk about him.

So keep trying to deflect trying to make it look like I'm the one not being objective, when between the three of us I'm the only one whose team isn't the Jets.

You are neglecting to comment or answer any of my points.

Wheeler is what he is.  He is better NOW, but he is almost 32 and has no ceiling higher than it already is.  Wheeler is better now, but will be on the decline in the next couple years.  Stone is averaging a career 0.87 points per game, and last year averaged OVER 1 point per game and he is only 26 years old.

Explain to me how signing a declining Wheeler to a 6-7 year contract is smarter than a guy who is rapidly improving with a high ceiling in Stone.  You think in years 3-5 of their contracts, Wheeler is still gonna be better than Stone??  Obviously not.

Makes NO sense. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
You are neglecting to comment or answer any of my points.

Wheeler is what he is.  He is better NOW, but he is almost 32 and has no ceiling higher than it already is.  Wheeler is better now, but will be on the decline in the next couple years.  Stone is averaging a career 0.87 points per game, and last year averaged OVER 1 point per game and he is only 26 years old.

Explain to me how signing a declining Wheeler to a 6-7 year contract is smarter than a guy who is rapidly improving with a high ceiling in Stone.  You think in years 3-5 of their contracts, Wheeler is still gonna be better than Stone??  Obviously not.

Makes NO sense. 

Yes, I do think Wheeler will be better (and I've ALREADY said that, so I don't know where your comment about me neglecting to answer you is coming from. I directly quoted and responded to your post. You're one of the ones neglecting to answer if you have any sort of ties to Mark Stone). He is an elite passer whose skill isn't likely to be hindered by his age. The team I do cheer for has a guy still able to put up a point per game in his late 30's for the very same reason.

Beyond points, which Wheeler has a significant edge in, Wheeler makes everyone around him better in a way Stone never will. You were talking about dropping Wheeler so you don't lose Connor, but Connor hasn't accomplished anything off of Wheeler's line. Connor without Wheeler doesn't finish 4th in Calder voting. Especially if the player replacing Wheeler is Stone. Removing Wheeler from the team is a net negative on every player he routinely plays with.

Beyond that, if Stone is any form of leader he's doing a piss poor job of it with that Ottawa roster being one of the most dysfunctional rosters in modern day hockey.

Beyond THAT, Mark Stone hasn't finished a full season in his entire career. He's fragile as all hell and he rolls around like Neymar when he does go down, which is often.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
Yes, I do think Wheeler will be better (and I've ALREADY said that, so I don't know where your comment about me neglecting to answer you is coming from. I directly quoted and responded to your post. You're one of the ones neglecting to answer if you have any sort of ties to Mark Stone). He is an elite passer whose skill isn't likely to be hindered by his age. The team I do cheer for has a guy still able to put up a point per game in his late 30's for the very same reason.

Beyond points, which Wheeler has a significant edge in, Wheeler makes everyone around him better in a way Stone never will. You were talking about dropping Wheeler so you don't lose Connor, but Connor hasn't accomplished anything off of Wheeler's line. Connor without Wheeler doesn't finish 4th in Calder voting. Especially if the player replacing Wheeler is Stone. Removing Wheeler from the team is a net negative on every player he routinely plays with.

Beyond that, if Stone is any form of leader he's doing a piss poor job of it with that Ottawa roster being one of the most dysfunctional rosters in modern day hockey.

Beyond THAT, Mark Stone hasn't finished a full season in his entire career. He's fragile as all hell and he rolls around like Neymar when he does go down, which is often.

I guess we will agree to disagree.  And no, I have no ties whatsoever to Mark Stone.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 20, 2018, 01:21:50 AM
Let me say this ......... Wheeler is a great team man & a wonderful leader that has been blossoming with Scheif.
However ....... there is a lot of back & forth here on Stone's perceived youthful value by some vs Wheels elder statesman value.

So I will throw this in to ponder ...... Wheels at age 22 - 25 played 325 games (Boston for 302 & Atlanta for 23) with 75 goals & 161 pts.
In comparison ... Stone during his 22nd to 25th years of playing (also 4 seasons) 284 games, all with Ottawa ... with 91 goals & 241 pts.

So Wheels shows durability but Stone definately makes things happen.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 20, 2018, 04:10:04 AM
Let me say this ......... Wheeler is a great team man & a wonderful leader that has been blossoming with Scheif.
However ....... there is a lot of back & forth here on Stone's perceived youthful value by some vs Wheels elder statesman value.

So I will throw this in to ponder ...... Wheels at age 22 - 25 played 325 games (Boston for 302 & Atlanta for 23) with 75 goals & 161 pts.
In comparison ... Stone during his 22nd to 25th years of playing (also 4 seasons) 284 games, all with Ottawa ... with 91 goals & 241 pts.

So Wheels shows durability but Stone definately makes things happen.

Good point. Also, I don?t see Stone?s durability ?issue? as much of a problem. Sure, he?s had a few knicks but he?s played in over 70 games in 3 out of 4 seasons.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 20, 2018, 04:32:23 PM
Good article on the Wheeler situation: https://jetsnation.ca/2018/08/20/the-wheeler-conundrum-part-1-trade-him/


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2018, 08:14:38 PM
Good article on the Wheeler situation: https://jetsnation.ca/2018/08/20/the-wheeler-conundrum-part-1-trade-him/
i would suck to see him go. That?s all I am gonna say on that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 22, 2018, 12:48:43 AM
Article certainly was a decent look at what may be a conclusion or not an outcome that fans would want to have occur.

Jets signed forward Nick Kerdiles to a 1 year, 2way contract ........ most likely a Moose for the year


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on August 24, 2018, 01:51:52 PM
Jason Bell

 
@WFPJasonBell
 3m3 minutes ago
More Jason Bell Retweeted Uffe Bodin
Long-time #NHLJets D Toby Enstrom is returning to Sweden to play for Modo. #WFP


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on August 24, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
Jason Bell

 
@WFPJasonBell
 3m3 minutes ago
More Jason Bell Retweeted Uffe Bodin
Long-time #NHLJets D Toby Enstrom is returning to Sweden to play for Modo. #WFP

Good for him. I think it makes the most sense. He squeezed everything he possibly could have out of an NHL career, especially considering his size, etc. Getting to go back home and still make a cheque playing hockey under far less pressure is a great transition.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 25, 2018, 07:41:11 PM
The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.

People here put far too much emphasis on age, and ignore not only Wheeler's contribution to the Jets over the last 3 seasons, but also his intangibles (leadership, etc). It's amazing that some think once a player hits 30, their career is pretty much over, ignoring the fact that many NHL players have had some of their best seasons after 31 (Selanne, St.Louis, Chelios, Lidstrom, Jagr, etc).  Wheeler shows absolutely no signs of regressing.  He will be a stud well into his 30s.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2018, 08:48:08 PM
People here put far too much emphasis on age, and ignore not only Wheeler's contribution to the Jets over the last 3 seasons, but also his intangibles (leadership, etc). It's amazing that some think once a player hits 30, their career is pretty much over, ignoring the fact that many NHL players have had some of their best seasons after 31 (Selanne, St.Louis, Chelios, Lidstrom, Jagr, etc).  Wheeler shows absolutely no signs of regressing.  He will be a stud well into his 30s.

Well said. And a couple fans seem to over-emphasize Stone's being from Winnipeg, when the reality is it's irrelevant.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 25, 2018, 10:37:23 PM
Well said. And a couple fans seem to over-emphasize Stone's being from Winnipeg, when the reality is it's irrelevant.
Agreed on Stone being from Winnipeg. It's irrelevant. He's just a smarter long-term solution over Wheeler, regardless where he's from.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2018, 10:41:29 PM
Agreed on Stone being from Winnipeg. It's irrelevant. He's just a smarter long-term solution over Wheeler, regardless where he's from.

The Jets don't need him. There are plenty of younger players already with this organization who will take Wheeler's spot on the wing when the time comes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 25, 2018, 11:26:27 PM
The Jets don't need him. There are plenty of younger players already with this organization who will take Wheeler's spot on the wing when the time comes.
I don't disagree with that either. The initial discussion was Wheeler vs. Stone. But I'm okay with letting Wheeler walk and replacing him from within.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 26, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Jets finally sign Kristian Vesalainen to a 3 year entry level.

Under 18 tournament MVP

Good Chevy


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 27, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
He'll be another, along with Roslovic, that I will enjoy watching at a few TC workouts.      Well done Chevy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 27, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
Nice to see Vesalainen get signed. I'm stoked to see him with the big club.

Hopefully, there's some news on Morrissey soon. TC isn't far off.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 27, 2018, 05:41:09 PM
Comrie's new goalie mask is just gorgeous: https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579 (https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on August 28, 2018, 01:23:38 PM
Comrie's new goalie mask is just gorgeous: https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579 (https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579)

**** that is nice


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 28, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2018, 06:10:15 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm

I don't know how much can be read into his mask. His older ones were pretty similar in design/influence.

2016-17: http://illegalcurve.com/2016/10/31/behind-the-mask-with-moose-goalie-eric-comrie/ (http://illegalcurve.com/2016/10/31/behind-the-mask-with-moose-goalie-eric-comrie/)

2017-18: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2018/1/29/16946630/winnipeg-jets-call-up-eric-comrie-adam-lowry-back-in-a-regular-jersey (https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2018/1/29/16946630/winnipeg-jets-call-up-eric-comrie-adam-lowry-back-in-a-regular-jersey)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 28, 2018, 07:08:35 PM
thanks


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 29, 2018, 01:16:07 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm

Dress for the job you want...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 30, 2018, 05:39:27 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm

Of all the players in the NHL, I think Comrie can afford another paint job if things don't work out.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 01, 2018, 01:50:47 AM
Of all the players in the NHL, I think Comrie can afford another paint job if things don't work out.

LOL..yeah no doubt.  He probably is due to inherit $100 million soon enough.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 04, 2018, 12:19:12 PM
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Sounds like a big signing about to be announced in Wpg.  Blake Wheeler agrees to 5yr,  $41.25 mil extension.  AAV $8.25 million.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 04, 2018, 12:31:30 PM
I'm good with this. He will retire as captain of the Jets.

I sure would love another 90 points out of him this season, and the leadership he brings is invaluable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 04, 2018, 12:33:48 PM
I don't think there is a Jets fan that would be against signing Wheeler to at least 5 years.   That deal is going to be 8 mil a year, doubtless. 

Signing him to 6, 7 or 8 makes sense, both short and long term.  Lower cap hit on the AAV, more room to sign other players.  Might hurt on the back end if he stops producing at 38... but there is no reason to believe that will happen.  And we will get full seasons out of him, because he is durable and responsible. 

I worry that if we don't step up to the plate, and he gets to UFA, he can get a better offer elsewhere.  We will get a discount for familiarity, and the advantage we have is term as well.  The risk/reward of a 7-8 year deal makes sense on this player.  If we were talking a guy who plays 40-60 games a year, of course no.  But Wheeler is both a great player and durable.  Can't see downside there...

Well, there ya go... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 04, 2018, 12:34:37 PM
Well, there ya go... 

Way to toot your own horn... And I am a jets fan who is not happy about this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 04, 2018, 12:46:32 PM
Way to toot your own horn... And I am a jets fan who is not happy about this.

Its well deserved, both the contract and the tooting of the horn.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 04, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
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Breakdown of Blake Wheeler's #NHLJets extension:
2019-20: $4M SB+$6M salary
2020-21: $6.5M salary
2021-22: $10M salary
2022-23: $6.5M salary
2023-24: $8.25M salary


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 04, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Interesting move. I was not expecting this but good for Wheeler, who clearly wants to remain here. Not sure how I feel about the term and the cap hit, but this does make me wonder if Cheveldayoff's got something up his sleeve.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on September 04, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Well, there ya go... 

I can certainly see many fans questioning the length of the contract.

But I'm a huge Wheeler fan so I'm pretty happy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 05, 2018, 12:25:22 AM
Anticipate that we will be very satisfied with his extension for the next few years ....... after that, we can only hope he ages well in the competition of the game.

Does Chevy have something in the works ....... Trouba to the Habs with whatever else & we get Gallagher & what ever else ???

Mr. Chevy ...... What's happening with Morrissey


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 05, 2018, 03:00:55 AM
On the HFBoards forum apparently there will be a Morrissey and Liane dual announcement soon.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on September 05, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
I can certainly see many fans questioning the length of the contract.

But I'm a huge Wheeler fan so I'm pretty happy.

Good point brought up this morning on TSN that Wheeler is a tremendous skater, and history shows that players who are universally considered "good skaters" have longer careers, ie. Patrick Marleau.  This point was further elaborated on; I am just giving you the Coles Notes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 05, 2018, 01:58:19 PM
Good point brought up this morning on TSN that Wheeler is a tremendous skater, and history shows that players who are universally considered "good skaters" have longer careers, ie. Patrick Marleau.  This point was further elaborated on; I am just giving you the Coles Notes.

I still think the better comparison is Thornton. When I think of Wheeler as a tremendous skater I am thinking of his power as a skater. That's something that might not wear down. Marleau is still a tremendous skater due to the fact that his first two strides still have as much acceleration in them as almost anyone else in the league. That's definitely not something you typically retain once you get into your mid to late thirties but Marleau is a bit of a freak. I think Wheeler is much less likely to lose the strength he currently has and if you combine that with his elite vision and touch with a puck, you've got the exact ingredients that led to Thornton putting up 82 points in 2016 as a 36 year old (and putting up 21 points in 24 playoff games that same year just before turning 37).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 05, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
On the HFBoards forum apparently there will be a Morrissey and Liane dual announcement soon.

What is the HFBoards & where are they found ??        Dual announcement should pump up our spirits.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 05, 2018, 03:37:10 PM
Sadly I heard on 1290 that Ab McDonald has passed on at the ripe age of 82.         R.I.P.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 06, 2018, 12:52:49 AM
What is the HFBoards & where are they found ??        Dual announcement should pump up our spirits.
HFBoards Jets forum. Google it not hard to locate. Been on it for 4 years.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 07, 2018, 01:33:37 AM
Thanks


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 07, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
Thanks

. Did you find it or are you just being a prude?

I am the blue baron on it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 13, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
Those alternative jerseys - boooooooring...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 05:36:43 PM
Those alternative jerseys - boooooooring...



Care to elaborate or send a pic?  I am unaware of alternate jerseys, unless if you are talking about the heritage classics?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 13, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
Care to elaborate or send a pic?  I am unaware of alternate jerseys, unless if you are talking about the heritage classics?

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5007b2ea84aef6ab9cd08134/t/5b9a814baa4a998b0be05194/1536852309901/?format=750w)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 13, 2018, 05:47:32 PM
Looks like the "the jetsons" cartoon.

So dull


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 06:21:34 PM
good lord you cant be serious those look terrible


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 13, 2018, 06:25:54 PM
What a horribly wasted opportunity. Literally anything else would be better.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 06:26:56 PM
What a horribly wasted opportunity. Literally anything else would be better.

I'm holding hope that this is a troll and they actually announce something better tomorrow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on September 13, 2018, 06:50:52 PM
^sure hope you are right, those leaked photos are completely underwhelming.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 13, 2018, 06:57:42 PM
I'm holding hope that this is a troll and they actually announce something better tomorrow.

They reportedly came from the NHL online store, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

I'm curious if the numbers+nameplates will help out at all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
They reportedly came from the NHL online store, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

I'm curious if the numbers+nameplates will help out at all.

yeah I thought of that too


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 13, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
Wow... those Jerseys are going to be easy to clone, but who in their right mind would want to?  They challenge the digital camo Bombers jerseys...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 13, 2018, 10:25:11 PM
They will look awesome on the ice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 16, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
I hope they sign Morrissey soon, even if it is just for a bridge deal. 

Having said that, I am so glad Winnipeg actually has a well run sports team. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 16, 2018, 01:08:22 PM
Geez having trouble signing our young D men! Chevy get it done!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 16, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
Geez having trouble signing our young D men! Chevy get it done!

Could be worse.  We could be the Ottawa Senators.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 16, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
Morrissey!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 16, 2018, 09:39:28 PM
BIG YAHOOS ....... Morrissey is signed for 2 years at a AAV of 3.150M

Can't get over how cheap he signed ........ huge discount for a great asset.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 17, 2018, 05:37:34 AM
Morrissey pretty much signed for what Trouba did in the same circumstances, no?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 17, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
Good: Morrissey re-signs.

Bad & Ugly: Jets unveil alternate jersey. And it's absolute trash.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 17, 2018, 03:18:12 PM
where's the Red in the jersey .......... correct, none can be found .......... what the hey designers ...... what the hey ??


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 17, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Are they going to be wearing these jerseys in Finland? The colour palette is very similar to the Finnish national jerseys... wonder if they're hoping to sell a bunch abroad.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 17, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
I'm not sure about the third jersey... as a color rush uni, its kinda lacking, and I don't think a lot of other teams are doing the color rush theme...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 17, 2018, 04:38:46 PM
Except the NHL isn't doing Color Rush. That was NFL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 17, 2018, 05:22:25 PM
It sucks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on September 17, 2018, 06:05:16 PM
Re Morrisey contract: It's a deal for the next two years but after that the Jets will have to pay the man! $$$

Re 3rd Jersey's: I like the colour and the wordmark logo, however the jersey as a whole appears unfinished to me. Looks the like the designer started a 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, got as far as they could and hit send a 5pm just before clocking out for Miller time.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2018, 12:44:36 PM
Quite a few of them in the stands at the game last night. I wonder how well they're selling.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 18, 2018, 12:58:38 PM
Quite a few of them in the stands at the game last night. I wonder how well they're selling.

I don't doubt they are selling well, heck, he Bombers sold those digital camo jerseys.  There are diehards that will buy anything with the logo on the tag, and a bunch of them want to be the first to put thier money down.

I have to wonder about conjecture I've seen out there about the Finn connection, these being very similar to Finn national looks.  Will they be wearing the third jersey in Helsinki?  Or is it better marketing to use the HC jersey (and sell a lot of #8 jerseys), or the current home jersey and sell a lot of #29's?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 18, 2018, 03:23:32 PM
Quite a few of them in the stands at the game last night. I wonder how well they're selling.

I noticed that too.  Everyone I've talked to hates the jersey designs so I was surprised at seeing so many in the stands.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2018, 04:21:04 PM
Here's an idea of how they should've looked, IMO: https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138 (https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138)

I think TNSE really missed the mark.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 18, 2018, 05:17:11 PM
Here's an idea of how they should've looked, IMO: https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138 (https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138)

I think TNSE really missed the mark.

Yeah i actually really like the first one in the link there.  Still not crazy about the logo in general but adding 'Winnipeg' does make it look better.  I really like the red that would go with the gloves and pants, not a big change from what they released but the red looks much better than black in my opinion.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2018, 06:25:48 PM
Yeah i actually really like the first one in the link there.  Still not crazy about the logo in general but adding 'Winnipeg' does make it look better.  I really like the red that would go with the gloves and pants, not a big change from what they released but the red looks much better than black in my opinion.

I agree. The red makes it all pop so nicely while paying homage to the Jets of old.

As for the actual alternate jerseys, is it black or is it just the polar blue like on the regular jersey? I think it's the latter but it gets washed out against the light aviator blue colour.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 19, 2018, 01:12:16 AM
New jersey with no name bar or no., selling for $199.99 ........... the top is okay (no red - grrr) but not crazy with the complete look.

Have caught a few workouts over a couple of days ........ saw Buff on ice today & within minutes of the first drill quietly skate off bothered by something.
Roslovic, Perr & Vesa work real well together. Connor is such a pure sniper. Ehlers & Tanev are amazingly quick & Laine does indeed have a first step jump now.
Niku & Stanley (so much better than last year's camp) were with the 9 o'clock "youngster" session today.   Dano, Petan & Lemieux are a line with the noon "main" group.
Brossoit was sensational at practise while HellB was meh ........ in the other earlier group Comrie was great.   Appleton & CJ Seuss show smarts & shot to go with nice speed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 19, 2018, 01:51:41 AM
New jersey with no name bar or no., selling for $199.99 ........... the top is okay (no red - grrr) but not crazy with the complete look.

Have caught a few workouts over a couple of days ........ saw Buff on ice today & within minutes of the first drill quietly skate off bothered by something.
Roslovic, Perr & Vesa work real well together. Connor is such a pure sniper. Ehlers & Tanev are amazingly quick & Laine does indeed have a first step jump now.
Niku & Stanley (so much better than last year's camp) were with the 9 o'clock "youngster" session today.   Dano, Petan & Lemieux are a line with the noon "main" group.
Brossoit was sensational at practise while HellB was meh ........ in the other earlier group Comrie was great.   Appleton & CJ Seuss show smarts & shot to go with nice speed.


I agree with pretty much all.


I guess im different as i like the new unies.  I think they will look good on the ice.

I dont mind the lil red in that other but i like it without better.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 19, 2018, 07:28:59 PM
Here's an idea of how they should've looked, IMO: https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138 (https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138)

I think TNSE really missed the mark.

Good effort but a little too much red for me. I wanted a little red, but just an accent of it (akin to the amount of neon the Seahawks used). Even a little red maple leaf on the top left of the "J" would have sufficed. Or, a combo of the polar blue and small red border to form a shoulder/collar "cap" of the sweater like done for the heritage jersey.

I do think that this new "Jets" text tertiary logo is a huge improvement over the previous one, and think it should replace it.

I also would have liked to have included "Winnipeg" in the text swoosh, as seen in the other new merch versions.

All in all, while I still don't like it, it is growing on me a bit and certainly does look better with patches and numbers.

I knew TNSE wouldn't want to just do another nostalgic jersey as that's been done (and is awesome, and I hope they will wear it some time in the future). However, the part I'm disappointed in is how there was a great opportunity to do something awesome with the Jets colours, logos and fighter jet-theme, and it's a little disappointing considering that.

Anyway, it's just a jersey, nothing to freak out over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
It just looks like a baseball jersey in hockey format. Lazy design.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 20, 2018, 02:07:46 AM
I still say ...  once its on the ice it will look really good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 20, 2018, 12:59:41 PM
I still say ...  once its on the ice it will look really good.

You could be right, but I think a lot are not only/just concerned that it's attractive vs ugly, but if they look at all like the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 20, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
I still say ...  once its on the ice it will look really good.

How will it look better on the ice?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 23, 2018, 07:52:18 PM
For all I care the Jets could wear the 80s Canucks jerseys. As long as they hoist the cup I will be happy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: In Motion on September 23, 2018, 08:02:53 PM
The colour reminds me of the St. Jose Sharks, but it's not a big deal to me.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 23, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Knock on wood Jets remain really healthy heading into tonight


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 23, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
The colour reminds me of the St. Jose Sharks, but it's not a big deal to me.

And Tampa


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 23, 2018, 10:21:54 PM
How will it look better on the ice?



Its clean and has good colours.

I think it will look sharp.

I actually like the way they went.   Not all fancy trying to bring in the old with the new.

Just a clean simple look.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 27, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Last preseason game for our high flyers goes tonight ........... the real meaningful games start in a week ...... YAHOOS !!

Barring unexpected injuries ..... will Ehlers start the year with Roslovic as his center ?    Will Laine be with Perrault & Little.
Who will be the player to start the year in the seemingly only forward spot open ...... Dano, Lemieux or Vesalainen ??
Hope the coaches keep Myers on the right side with a new partner in Niku, strongly consider Morrow to open with Buff ......... Chevy trade Kulikov please.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 27, 2018, 05:17:41 PM
I think I would like to see Lemieux in the lineup out of those three, with Dano in the press box and Vesalainen with the Moose to get some seasoning with the North American game


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 27, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Looking forward to my section 222 visit tonight. Only preseason but it?s nearly a full complimentary line up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 28, 2018, 03:24:49 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, the Jets have placed the following players on waivers: F Seth Griffith, F Nicolas Kerdiles, F Dennis Everberg, F JC Lipon and D Cameron Schilling.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on September 28, 2018, 04:15:39 PM
I think I would like to see Lemieux in the lineup out of those three, with Dano in the press box and Vesalainen with the Moose to get some seasoning with the North American game

But apparently Vesalainen wouldn't report to the Moose, he'd go back to Liiga if he doesn't make the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 28, 2018, 05:19:03 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, the following players have been sent down the Moose: G Mikhail Berdin, G Eric Comrie, D Sami Niku, D Nelson Nogier, D Peter Stoykewych, F Mason Appleton, F Jansen Harkins, F Skyler McKenzie, F Kristian Reichel, FCJ Suess.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 28, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
It's not set in stone that Vesa goes home if not on the Jet's roster ........ wasn't it termed as an option to being assigned to the Moose.

I'll agree with the like towards Lemieux being in the starting line-up in St. Louis ........ he offers a more spark plug mode of team oomph on the ice vs. Vesa.
Niku going back to the Moose is smart ...... though I was looking forward to him starting.  More experience is gained from using Kulikov & Morrow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on September 28, 2018, 07:23:24 PM
It's not set in stone that Vesa goes home if not on the Jet's roster ........ wasn't it termed as an option to being assigned to the Moose.

I'll agree with the like towards Lemieux being in the starting line-up in St. Louis ........ he offers a more spark plug mode of team oomph on the ice vs. Vesa.
Niku going back to the Moose is smart ...... though I was looking forward to him starting.  More experience is gained from using Kulikov & Morrow.

Nothing's set in stone, I think the assumption is that he wouldn't report to te Moose. But I'm sure they've been trying to convinve him and his agent that it's a good idea.

We're definitely going to see Niku a lot this year. First call up kind of guy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on October 01, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
Jets' fans will find ESPN's power rankings interesting......

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24852013/nhl-preseason-power-rankings-reasons-optimism-all-31-teams


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 04:47:17 PM
Jets' fans will find ESPN's power rankings interesting......

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24852013/nhl-preseason-power-rankings-reasons-optimism-all-31-teams

I would have placed them higher... ;)

Just listening to 1290 on the way to work, and they were giving the ratings for the offseason. A, C, C-.  Really?  Big complaints? Not signing Trouba / Morrissey longterm,  or extending Laine...  Stasny was accepted as a "wasn't going to happen", but still, that was the only signing not done...  and dumping the Mason contract at the cost of Armia...  

I think that's a little harsh.  Everyone got signed, we're under the cap, and still have one of the best farm systems in the league...  I'd say A, a- at worst...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 05:02:33 PM
I would have placed them higher... ;)

Just listening to 1290 on the way to work, and they were giving the ratings for the offseason. A, C, C-.  Really?  Big complaints? Not signing Trouba / Morrissey longterm,  or extending Laine...  Stasny was accepted as a "wasn't going to happen", but still, that was the only signing not done...  and dumping the Mason contract at the cost of Armia...  

I think that's a little harsh.  Everyone got signed, we're under the cap, and still have one of the best farm systems in the league...  I'd say A, a- at worst...

A's should be for teams that significantly improve the talent level of their team over the course of the off-season. The Jets didn't have an "A" offseason.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 01, 2018, 05:07:09 PM
A's should be for teams that significantly improve the talent level of their team over the course of the off-season. The Jets didn't have an "A" offseason.

That's a silly definition. How does any true contender achieve an "A" by that definition? Only teams that need a lot of improvement could do that. The top teams, Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington etc. basically needed to keep the band together. There isn't cap room to 'significantly improve' talent level on those squads. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 05:21:26 PM
A's should be for teams that significantly improve the talent level of their team over the course of the off-season. The Jets didn't have an "A" offseason.

Kinda think that improving while staying under the cap would have been almost impossible.  When you are ranked, say, #1 or above, then keeping talent is the key.  They lost Stasny, and used Armia to get rid of Mason.  Other than that, the team that went deep in the playoffs last year is all under contract, and we have some new players trying to break into the lineup.

Its easy to "improve" a team when you sucked and have cap space...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 01, 2018, 05:29:10 PM
More importantly: who gives a rip what those clowns on TSN1290 think?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 05:51:38 PM
That's a silly definition. How does any true contender achieve an "A" by that definition? Only teams that need a lot of improvement could do that. The top teams, Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington etc. basically needed to keep the band together. There isn't cap room to 'significantly improve' talent level on those squads. 

They probably don't unless they add major pieces to an already competitive team like Toronto/San Jose did this offseason. If you were already competitive you don't need to have an "A" offseason to stay competitive.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
Kinda think that improving while staying under the cap would have been almost impossible.  When you are ranked, say, #1 or above, then keeping talent is the key.  They lost Stasny, and used Armia to get rid of Mason.  Other than that, the team that went deep in the playoffs last year is all under contract, and we have some new players trying to break into the lineup.

Its easy to "improve" a team when you sucked and have cap space...

Multiple teams were able to do so, so the fact that the Jets couldn't is a pretty clear indication they didn't have a top tier off-season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Multiple teams were able to do so, so the fact that the Jets couldn't is a pretty clear indication they didn't have a top tier off-season.

So, the lack of off seaon moves has reallt affected the talent pool on the team... they've dropped a lot in hte rankings... oh, wait... just a sec... this just in.. Jets are ranked #1... so, literally NO ONE had a better off season.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 07:13:14 PM
So, the lack of off seaon moves has reallt affected the talent pool on the team... they've dropped a lot in hte rankings... oh, wait... just a sec... this just in.. Jets are ranked #1... so, literally NO ONE had a better off season.  

Yep, going into the season with a worse roster than the previous year... the very definition of a perfect offseason. Good thing ESPN has the Jets ranked #1. They can't name all 31 teams in the league or identify the logos or players of the teams 80% of the time but what does that really matter?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 01, 2018, 07:47:20 PM
That's a silly definition. How does any true contender achieve an "A" by that definition? Only teams that need a lot of improvement could do that. The top teams, Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington etc. basically needed to keep the band together. There isn't cap room to 'significantly improve' talent level on those squads. 

I think I agree with what Colton is saying here.

No one is saying the Jets aren't a top team, simply that they didn't do a bunch of things this off season (in some cases because they didn't need to). I don't think you can compare them to a team who made of bunch of adds (or needed to make deletions).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 01, 2018, 07:53:20 PM
Yep, going into the season with a worse roster than the previous year...

How are they worse team than last season?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 01, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
How are they worse team than last season?

Same team minus Stasny.

Not fair, but true.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 01, 2018, 10:58:06 PM
But apparently Vesalainen wouldn't report to the Moose, he'd go back to Liiga if he doesn't make the Jets.


I guess that depends what Ves wants to do. I don't see any reason for him to want to go back to Finland. He can really grow by staying here and having a locker across the hall from the big boy club.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 11:14:10 PM
Same team minus Stasny.

Not fair, but true.

Sure, Stasny was a nice player to have, and clicked wiuth Laine and Ehlers... for a time.  But other than Stasny, who was a Jet for 19 games, the roster is not only intact, but they have added young players, and existing players are better for having another year under their belt...

This is a better team than the one that started last season, and better than the one that ended last season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Sure, Stasny was a nice player to have, and clicked wiuth Laine and Ehlers... for a time.  But other than Stasny, who was a Jet for 19 games, the roster is not only intact, but they have added young players, and existing players are better for having another year under their belt...

This is a better team than the one that started last season, and better than the one that ended last season.

It's the same team minus a guy that put up 28 points in 36 games including nearly a PPG pace in the playoffs through the WCF, as well as one of the better forwards on the PK.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

This is a worse team on paper than the one that ended last season. That doesn't mean they won't do better than the previous year, but it does mean that they did not have an "A" offseason.

But of course I'm talking to a guy that hates the living guts out of any player that chooses to leave the city of Winnipeg. So Stastny was actually the worst player in the NHL and the team is better off without him despite the obvious chemistry he brought to his line that the Jets now lack and are experimenting to fix with their current shake ups.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 01:10:16 AM
Same team minus Stasny.

Not fair, but true.

So, they lost a rental who chased money. They were still a very good team before acquiring him.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

Uh, the same could be said for literally 28 other teams. What's your point?

Outside of Stastny, though, how is this team worse than last season?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 02:36:56 AM
So, they lost a rental who chased money. They were still a very good team before acquiring him.

Uh, the same could be said for literally 28 other teams. What's your point?

Outside of Stastny, though, how is this team worse than last season?

"Outside of the only change made to the roster, which I agree was a net negative, how is the team worse than before?"

Question for you. Who is richer of these two people: The person who has a net worth of $34 Million, or the person who has a net worth of $38 Million?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 03:41:32 AM
It's the same team minus a guy that put up 28 points in 36 games including nearly a PPG pace in the playoffs through the WCF, as well as one of the better forwards on the PK.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

This is a worse team on paper than the one that ended last season. That doesn't mean they won't do better than the previous year, but it does mean that they did not have an "A" offseason.

But of course I'm talking to a guy that hates the living guts out of any player that chooses to leave the city of Winnipeg. So Stastny was actually the worst player in the NHL and the team is better off without him despite the obvious chemistry he brought to his line that the Jets now lack and are experimenting to fix with their current shake ups.

At the end of last year, there were a lot fewer players under contract than there is today...   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 12:15:20 PM
"Outside of the only change made to the roster, which I agree was a net negative, how is the team worse than before?"

Question for you. Who is richer of these two people: The person who has a net worth of $34 Million, or the person who has a net worth of $38 Million?

Oh, boy. :D

The Jets had Stastny for a couple of months but were a very good team without him - essentially the majority of the regular season.

I guess if you feel the need to point how the team is marginally worse on paper without one player, that's your prerogative. On the one hand, you say the Jets didn't have an 'A' off-season but then go on to say they didn't have to.

So, forgive me if I don't understand what you're getting at, unless it's just to troll Aardsy - in which case, carry on. ;D

And again: who gives a wet fart what anyone employed by TSN1290 thinks?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
Oh, boy. :D

The Jets had Stastny for a couple of months but were a very good team without him - essentially the majority of the regular season.

I guess if you feel the need to point how the team is marginally worse on paper without one player, that's your prerogative. On the one hand, you say the Jets didn't have an 'A' off-season but then go on to say they didn't have to.

So, forgive me if I don't understand what you're getting at, unless it's just to troll Aardsy - in which case, carry on. ;D

And again: who gives a wet fart what anyone employed by TSN1290 thinks?

Well when the entire discussion revolves around that, it's pretty important.

I've never even insinuated that I care about TSN1290's ranking. I've only ever given my own thoughts on the subject.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 03:56:31 PM
It's the same team minus a guy that put up 28 points in 36 games including nearly a PPG pace in the playoffs through the WCF, as well as one of the better forwards on the PK.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

This is a worse team on paper than the one that ended last season. That doesn't mean they won't do better than the previous year, but it does mean that they did not have an "A" offseason.

But of course I'm talking to a guy that hates the living guts out of any player that chooses to leave the city of Winnipeg. So Stastny was actually the worst player in the NHL and the team is better off without him despite the obvious chemistry he brought to his line that the Jets now lack and are experimenting to fix with their current shake ups.

So, you think the expectations for Laine's season are the same as they were to start the last year?  That he will produce exactly the same number of points as last year?  That, other than slimming down 15lbs, he is the same player because he has had zero NHL games since last year?

Oh Kay...


All the team is under contract.  Sure,having Trouba, Morriessy and Laine signed long term would be nice, but they are under contract and under control.  The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 02, 2018, 04:14:36 PM
So, you think the expectations for Laine's season are the same as they were to start the last year?  That he will produce exactly the same number of points as last year?  That, other than slimming down 15lbs, he is the same player because he has had zero NHL games since last year?

Oh Kay...


All the team is under contract.  Sure,having Trouba, Morriessy and Laine signed long term would be nice, but they are under contract and under control.  The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 

You seem to be under the impression that Colton is saying the Jets are a bad team. No one is saying that. We all have very high expectations. Saying we've somehow gotten better in an off season in which we didn't add anyone (and lost a couple of guys) doesn't make any sense though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 02, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
Heard the Jet practise report that the extra forwards today on line rushes are Dano & Lemieux.  Vesa stays with Ehlers & Roslovic
The odd Dmen are Kulikov & Poolman.  As the Jets have to declare their 23 man roster by 4, we can expect Poolman to be sent down to the Moose.

Sure hope that Laine, Perrault & Little can click & put the points on the board in the 5 on 5 scenarios


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
So, you think the expectations for Laine's season are the same as they were to start the last year?  That he will produce exactly the same number of points as last year?  That, other than slimming down 15lbs, he is the same player because he has had zero NHL games since last year?

Oh Kay...


All the team is under contract.  Sure,having Trouba, Morriessy and Laine signed long term would be nice, but they are under contract and under control.  The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 

No I don't factor in the development and experience Laine gained through the 2017/2018 Regular Season/Playoffs as a factor into how the Jets as an organization did this OFFSEASON


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 06:00:11 PM
No I don't factor in the development and experience Laine gained through the 2017/2018 Regular Season/Playoffs as a factor into how the Jets as an organization did this OFFSEASON

Annoying caps and incredulous attitude aside, I can guarantee you the Jets organization takes that into account when they make their decisions about moves (or non-moves) they make in the offseason. In any event, your rating system is flawed and poorly thought out if you are judging offseasons based on who 'improved' the most and take 'improved' to equal sign more/better players. Not every team is the same. It may not make sense for some teams to add players. Certainly, not everyone makes a big free agent splash. Not everyone makes a big trade. If you tie offseason rankings to those things exclusively, you don't really have a good understanding of the sport. An "A" offseason looks differently for every team because every team has different goals and priorities.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 06:06:14 PM
Annoying caps and incredulous attitude aside, I can guarantee you the Jets organization takes that into account when they make their decisions about moves (or non-moves) they make in the offseason. In any event, your rating system is flawed and poorly thought out if you are judging offseasons based on who 'improved' the most and take 'improved' to equal sign more/better players. Not every team is the same. It may not make sense for some teams to add players. Certainly, not everyone makes a big free agent splash. Not everyone makes a big trade. If you tie offseason rankings to those things exclusively, you don't really have a good understanding of the sport. An "A" offseason looks differently for every team because every team has different goals and priorities.

And the Winnipeg Jets didn't attain those goals after failing to retain Stastny despite making a push for him, so they don't deserve an A.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 06:29:17 PM
And the Winnipeg Jets didn't attain those goals after failing to retain Stastny despite making a push for him, so they don't deserve an A.

You're having trouble with this one, eh? The Jets could have signed Paul Stastny. They would have had to pay him an AAV of around $6.5M which is what he signed for in Vegas. If they had done so, they would have had to possibly move someone else out either this year or in the near future. Obviously, they felt this was not in the team's best interest. So no, I don't give them negative off-season marks for that. I think it's the subtleties that have been lost on you. Too much NHL 2018 or something? Signing players doesn't always equal good. Not signing players doesn't always equal bad. The Jets have never made a lot of big moves in the summer. To suggest they needed to this year, to have an "A" offseason is absurd.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 

Well, those two in bold weren't re-signed this off-season. So, mentioning them in this discussion makes no sense.

Oh, and it's Scheifele, BTW.

And the Winnipeg Jets didn't attain those goals after failing to retain Stastny despite making a push for him, so they don't deserve an A.

What do they deserve, then?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 06:42:07 PM
You're having trouble with this one, eh? The Jets could have signed Paul Stastny. They would have had to pay him an AAV of around $6.5M which is what he signed for in Vegas. If they had done so, they would have had to possibly move someone else out either this year or in the near future. Obviously, they felt this was not in the team's best interest. So no, I don't give them negative off-season marks for that. I think it's the subtleties that have been lost on you. Too much NHL 2018 or something? Signing players doesn't always equal good. Not signing players doesn't always equal bad. The Jets have never made a lot of big moves in the summer. To suggest they needed to this year, to have an "A" offseason is absurd.

I'm not having trouble with anything. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny. They didn't let him walk. "they felt this was not in the team's best interest" is blatantly false.

In addition to this, they also had a player go to arbitration


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
I'm not having trouble with anything. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny. They didn't let him walk. "they felt this was not in the team's best interest" is blatantly false.

In addition to this, they also had a player go to arbitration

Haha okay. I'll slow down. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny but ultimately not with a blank chequebook. The Jets felt that what he inevitably signed for was not in the team's best interests and they said as much. Read the tweet slowly and a couple times if you need to. Ask a friend or loved one if you're still having trouble.

@DarrenDreger
Winnipeg learned late last night Statsny was likely headed in a different direction. Jets went beyond their cap comfort trying to keep him.

As for having someone go to arbitration with Trouba, the situation sucked and it could have been avoided if the Jets wanted to write him a $7M per year cheque. They decided to take the hard route and I view that as a good move for the team overall. Based on your criteria of an off-season you think the Jets should have signed Stasny for $6.5 and Trouba for $7M. That would have had major implications and neither of those players are probably worth that much. I will repeat, if that's the moves you wanted the Jets to make to get an "A" off-season, then you don't have a good handle on the game.

Elliotte Friedman: "Arbitration filings for Jacob Trouba: Jets are at $4M, player at $7M. Hearing is 48 hours away."


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 07:53:10 PM
If the team that takes the ice for game one has more talent that the team that finished the last game the previous year, the team got better.

Is Stasny a loss?  Sure.  Is he an upgrade on Little/  Sure.  On Roslovic?  Sure, for now.  But who knows how the lines are going to shake out this year.  The key is, can we still roll 4 lines, and will te production from the combined 4 lines be better than the production from the previous year's 4 lines?

Is our D better?  Besides all being healthy to start the year, is our D better?  When your 3rd pairing is Kulikov/Myers, that is pretty darned solid. 

Hellebuyck/Brossoit?  Better pairing than Hellebuyk/Mason?  Not worse, I don't think...

Offseason development is a very important part of hockey.  Thinking that every player is going to report to camp exactly the same he was after his final shift of the previous season is crazy.   Older players are going to slow down, lose a step... younger players have been working on refining their craft, getting into shape (sometimes a different shape altogether) to enhance what they bring to the table, so that they can be better and earn that next contract...

This team is better than last year, and has more cost certainty.  The top pairing isn't under contract long term yet, but are under the Jets control for now, at cap friendly numbers.  Which keeps the door open to extend them or other players when the option becomes available.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 07:54:58 PM
Per Sara Orlesky on Twitter, Jets have assigned D Poolman to the Moose. Roster is down to 23.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 07:56:02 PM
if that's the moves you wanted the Jets to make to get an "A" off-season, then you don't have a good handle on the game.

The Jets moved an asset to free cap room in an attempt to try to sign Stastny for less than he signed for in Vegas and were not successful at signing him to that dollar value. That isn't an "A" off-season move. It also isn't an "F" off-season move, it was clearly just not what the Jets as an organization wanted to happen in an ideal situation. They were able to take the cap space they had allocated to Stastny and use it in a positive manner, but they also have to hope the players they have now can fill the hole of losing out on Stastny. Maybe that will happen (and I hope that it does), but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't plan A.

Arbitration filing numbers are not what the team or the player has been asking for throughout the process. They are inflated on both ends.

Based on my criteria for an "A" offseason, the Jets would have reached some sort of middle ground or even gotten Trouba to budge more on his demands, not budge 100% over to his demands. Signing him to the exact contract he signed without resorting to arbitration would have been better than what happened. The actual result was not an "F" but it wasn't an "A". No team nor player wants to go to arbitration. The very nature of it is a relationship killer. If you want to tell me that taking a player to arbitration is the best case scenario go right ahead.

Your lack of ability to recognize any middle ground between complete failure and perfection is astounding. There are letter grades that exist between A and F. I have never once said that the Jets had a terrible offseason. I said that they did not have an "A" offseason.

Keep on throwing out childish insults because you're still triggered over a conversation that happened on this forum like 3 weeks ago though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 08:17:28 PM
The Jets moved an asset to free cap room in an attempt to try to sign Stastny for less than he signed for in Vegas and were not successful at signing him to that dollar value. That isn't an "A" off-season move. It also isn't an "F" off-season move, it was clearly just not what the Jets as an organization wanted to happen in an ideal situation. They were able to take the cap space they had allocated to Stastny and use it in a positive manner, but they also have to hope the players they have now can fill the hole of losing out on Stastny. Maybe that will happen (and I hope that it does), but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't plan A.

Arbitration filing numbers are not what the team or the player has been asking for throughout the process. They are inflated on both ends.

Based on my criteria for an "A" offseason, the Jets would have reached some sort of middle ground or even gotten Trouba to budge more on his demands, not budge 100% over to his demands. Signing him to the exact contract he signed without resorting to arbitration would have been better than what happened. The actual result was not an "F" but it wasn't an "A". No team nor player wants to go to arbitration. The very nature of it is a relationship killer. If you want to tell me that taking a player to arbitration is the best case scenario go right ahead.

Your lack of ability to recognize any middle ground between complete failure and perfection is astounding. There are letter grades that exist between A and F. I have never once said that the Jets had a terrible offseason. I said that they did not have an "A" offseason.

Keep on throwing out childish insults because you're still triggered over a conversation that happened on this forum like 3 weeks ago though.

You were the one using 400 point font because the Jets don't meet your lousy definition of offseason "A". You're blatantly changing words and splitting hairs which is the oldest trick in the book and says "I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just try for semantics". I'll continue to talk to you in the manner you talk to anyone else who disagrees with you. Case in point, this thread, one page back, or many of your past comments when you get all upset that someone doesn't agree with your often incorrect views.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 08:23:22 PM
You were the one using 400 point font because the Jets don't meet your lousy definition of offseason "A". You're blatantly changing words and splitting hairs which is the oldest trick in the book and says "I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just try for semantics". I'll continue to talk to you in the manner you talk to anyone else who disagrees with you. Case in point, this thread, one page back, or many of your past comments when you get all upset that someone doesn't agree with your often incorrect views.

I've just clearly detailed multiple examples of why I don't think the Jets had an "A" offseason that have absolutely zero to do with semantics that you completely ignored. If you have no intentions of actually having a discussion and are only looking to escalate this into a fight, I see no reason to continue this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 08:31:22 PM
I've just clearly detailed multiple examples of why I don't think the Jets had an "A" offseason that have absolutely zero to do with semantics that you completely ignored. If you have no intentions of actually having a discussion and are only looking to escalate this into a fight, I see no reason to continue this.

Your examples have shifted from where they started, which was 'they didn't add anyone' to become 'they didn't avoid arbitration with Trouba' and 'they didn't resign Stasny' (even though they tried and felt his asking price was too high). There's no fight here. You were just being condescending to someone else for them telling you your criteria made no sense, and then when I went into it with you, you completely changed the details and tried to split hairs because guess what, it made no sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 09:25:10 PM
The Jets moved an asset to free cap room in an attempt to try to sign Stastny for less than he signed for in Vegas and were not successful at signing him to that dollar value. That isn't an "A" off-season move. It also isn't an "F" off-season move, it was clearly just not what the Jets as an organization wanted to happen in an ideal situation. They were able to take the cap space they had allocated to Stastny and use it in a positive manner, but they also have to hope the players they have now can fill the hole of losing out on Stastny. Maybe that will happen (and I hope that it does), but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't plan A.

Arbitration filing numbers are not what the team or the player has been asking for throughout the process. They are inflated on both ends.

Based on my criteria for an "A" offseason, the Jets would have reached some sort of middle ground or even gotten Trouba to budge more on his demands, not budge 100% over to his demands. Signing him to the exact contract he signed without resorting to arbitration would have been better than what happened. The actual result was not an "F" but it wasn't an "A". No team nor player wants to go to arbitration. The very nature of it is a relationship killer. If you want to tell me that taking a player to arbitration is the best case scenario go right ahead.

Your lack of ability to recognize any middle ground between complete failure and perfection is astounding. There are letter grades that exist between A and F. I have never once said that the Jets had a terrible offseason. I said that they did not have an "A" offseason.

Keep on throwing out childish insults because you're still triggered over a conversation that happened on this forum like 3 weeks ago though.

The Jets freed up cap room space because Mason wasn't needed at any price, and despite liking Armia, he was definitely expendable.  If that was the cost of $4mil in cap space, that was actually a pretty solid deal.

Losing Stasny to tax free Vegas for both cash and term, really a no brainer for Stasny... and Vegas.  And a non-starter for us, because we need to sign too many players that the term of his deal would jeopardize.  So, again, a smart move, not really a loss.

Signing Trouba to any deal outside of arbitration would have been nice, but we all know, he will be traded sooner than later, or sign here long term.  Either outcome is going to be just fine, and management is ready for either.  If we need to trade him, we will extend Myers.  And our D will be fine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 03, 2018, 12:33:50 AM
I'm not having trouble with anything. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny. They didn't let him walk. "they felt this was not in the team's best interest" is blatantly false.

In addition to this, they also had a player go to arbitration


Ya you are.

From the beginning it been about draft and develop. Doing this you can only go after FAs to a point. Then you need to decide on how you want to go.

The Jets offered Stash what they were willing to pay... he didnt take it and they will put money on their drafted players.

Are they a worse team?  We dont know that. With these young guys coming in they could even be better

So betting on not going and getting a FA could mean we had a great offseason    ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 03, 2018, 08:17:43 PM



Scott Billeck @ScottBilleck

Patrik Laine on Vancouver?s decision to ban video games on the road: ?They need something to blame after last year.? #NHLJets



randy turner @randyturner15

UPDATE: According to sources, #NHLJets Laine was misquoted when he said the Canucks weren't any good last year because they played too much Fortnite. In fact, he meant the Canucks were no good because they only won every fortnight. Apologies for the confusion.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 04, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
Tonight's lineup vs. the Blues:

Connor - Scheifele - Wheeler
Perreault - Little - Laine
Copp - Lowry - Tanev
Vesalainen - Roslovic - Ehlers

Morrissey - Trouba
Chiarot - Byfuglien
Morrow - Myers

Hellebuyck


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 04, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
Would William Nylander be a good fit with this team?

Nylander and a first for Trouba... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 04, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
Would William Nylander be a good fit with this team?

Nylander and a first for Trouba... 

No. Just no.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 04, 2018, 08:49:29 PM
Would William Nylander be a good fit with this team?

Nylander and a first for Trouba... 

Wouldn't work. 

We would need D back.

We can't afford another big upcoming contract in our forward group. We're going to have trouble keeping our own guys.

You're overvaluing Trouba.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 05, 2018, 02:29:37 AM
Really nice victory ....... HellB, huge saves out of his 41, was very solid & the team had speed & finished when given the chances.

Surprise for me ........  the line of Roslovic, Ehlers & Vesa each played 10 minutes or less tonight.  Also ...... Morrissey was on the ice more than Buff.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 05, 2018, 02:39:49 AM
3 goals in 1:44 was incredible...wanted the shutout for Helly so bad...late almost power play goal ruined it...

good start for sure!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 05, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Awesome game last night! Would've been nice to see Hellebuyck get the shutout.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 05, 2018, 04:32:07 PM
Awesome game last night! Would've been nice to see Hellebuyck get the shutout.

Yeah, sucks to lose it right at the end of the game.

But a .974 is a great start to the year and should shut down those who weren't convinced Helle could repeat last year's performance.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on October 05, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
But a .974 is a great start to the year and should shut down those who weren't convinced Helle could repeat last year's performance.

If his GAA is at or above .950 in December then I'd agree with you, but one game does not a season make. I must say though that he really seemed on yesterday and I hope that continues.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 05, 2018, 06:32:23 PM
I onl got to see the first period. Any thoughts if Ves is gonna stay up? Is this a legit trial or are we just trying to maximize pro experience? The period is 9 games IIRC.

Also, what?s up with Ehlers on the 4th line?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 05, 2018, 06:40:52 PM
I onl got to see the first period. Any thoughts if Ves is gonna stay up? Is this a legit trial or are we just trying to maximize pro experience? The period is 9 games IIRC.

Also, what?s up with Ehlers on the 4th line?

Didn't really notice him until the last 5 minutes of the game or so. Didn't get a ton of ice time.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on October 05, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
Didn't really notice him until the last 5 minutes of the game or so. Didn't get a ton of ice time.

Just over 10 minutes for the game. Maybe that was down because of the penalties we took?

As for him being on the 4th line at the end of the game, Beyak mentioned that it was possibly to get him more ice time. Whether that's true or not...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 06, 2018, 01:21:02 AM
I onl got to see the first period. Any thoughts if Ves is gonna stay up? Is this a legit trial or are we just trying to maximize pro experience? The period is 9 games IIRC.

Also, what?s up with Ehlers on the 4th line?

He might be one of them young guys you have to play right away to see how he reacts to the NHL.

Some guys need time and others get it. He might just be ready.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 06, 2018, 12:43:54 PM
Wouldn't work. 

We would need D back.

We can't afford another big upcoming contract in our forward group. We're going to have trouble keeping our own guys.

You're overvaluing Trouba.

Then you move a forward for a D-man...  although I might suggest we are deep enough on D to go with what we have, without Trouba...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on October 06, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
@BrianMunzTSN

No Laine or Little as #NHLJets practice in Dallas:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Lemieux-Perreault-Dano
Copp-Lowry-Tanev
Vesalainen-Roslovic-Ehlers

Morrissey-Trouba
Chiarot-Byfuglien
Morrow-Myers
Kulikov

Hellebuyck
Brossoit



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 06, 2018, 01:04:33 PM
Then you move a forward for a D-man...  although I might suggest we are deep enough on D to go with what we have, without Trouba...

Then you're overvaluing the rest of our D as well, lol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 06, 2018, 05:56:46 PM
Then you're overvaluing the rest of our D as well, lol.

What else is new.

Nylander for Trouba would be a silly trade. If Trouba does get moved, it'll be for another blue liner of ideally equal quality.

The Jets don't need another winger, anyway. And certainly not one holding out for what's rumoured to be $8M per season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 06, 2018, 11:21:44 PM
@BrianMunzTSN

No Laine or Little as #NHLJets practice in Dallas:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Lemieux-Perreault-Dano
Copp-Lowry-Tanev
Vesalainen-Roslovic-Ehlers

Morrissey-Trouba
Chiarot-Byfuglien
Morrow-Myers
Kulikov

Hellebuyck
Brossoit






Crap


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 07, 2018, 01:43:34 AM



Crap
what are you Scottish?

The game was classic FF⏭ through. Saved about hours of my life not having to watch that crap.

I heard Myers Little Wheeler were particularly horriable. Maybe a good game to have early in the season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 07, 2018, 04:36:26 PM
Dallas certainly took it to the Jets on the P.P. & scored 3 goals.  Our passive defensive approach allowed chance, after chance, after really good chance.
Also, again a game where our faceoff wins were extremely low vs the opposition ....................... just 80 more games to go.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lemieux in for Vesal & Kulikov for Morrow next game ......... just a feeling.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 07, 2018, 05:35:21 PM
So, looks like we're a .500 team... at least so far ;)

Beats where we were this time last year, though...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 09, 2018, 12:11:40 PM
Discipline and attention to detail were non-existent on Saturday and the Jets paid for it. That Stars' top line is absolutely lethal.

Home opener tonight! ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 09, 2018, 01:13:46 PM
Little Laine Ehlers tonight...  and Perrault, Roslovic, Vesa... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 09, 2018, 06:18:59 PM
apparently Trouba missed yesterday's practise, as did Lowry, but also he did not skate with the club this morning ........... Malaise ???? ................... lol

Kings are solid but elderly in comparison to the Jets overall youth ......... hopefully our skill & speed, fly Ehlers fly, will rule the day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 09, 2018, 06:27:32 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, Maurice reiterated Trouba will play tonight.

No Quick in net for the Kings, so Campbell get the start. Jets need to take advantage of that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 09, 2018, 09:43:34 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, Maurice reiterated Trouba will play tonight.

No Quick in net for the Kings, so Campbell get the start. Jets need to take advantage of that.

Yeah Touba Touba Touba


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 09, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
Oh, great. Kovalchuk pots his first in his NHL return against the Jets. :-\


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 10, 2018, 12:34:14 AM
Oh, great. Kovalchuk pots his first in his NHL return against the Jets. :-\

No worries. Scheifele and Connor have already taken care of it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 10, 2018, 12:54:59 AM
Jets look pretty good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 10, 2018, 01:00:59 AM
No worries. Scheifele and Connor have already taken care of it.

Two beauty goes but I still don't like it. :P


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 10, 2018, 02:39:06 AM
All central teams lose tonight except Jets. Yeah!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 12, 2018, 01:13:10 AM
Awfully one-sided officiating in tonight?s game. Jets deserved many of those penalties but Nashville has hardly played clean. Jets deserve the win solely on their penalty killing and Hellebuyck?s play. Unreal.

I didn?t think I could hate the preds more than I did at the end of the series in May, but after tonight?s game a whole other level of hatred has appeared.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on October 12, 2018, 02:34:34 AM
Agree on the hatred thing...I absolutely despise that team like no other!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 12, 2018, 12:22:36 PM
Man, was that ugly last night. Just ugly.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 12, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Wildly entertaining 1st period, as both teams finished checks, went up & down & the goalies were solid .........  then in the 2nd it just got awfully lopsided
Over the course of the game the Jets had 14 penalties to the Preds 5 .......... with the most amazing PK performance by the Jets coming in the 2nd.
Normal circumstances wouldn't have tested the Jets as a PK team as much but last night HellB was awesome & Morrissey seemed to never come off.
Despite the loss, the Jet's PK system was flawless in their objective to not be scored on .......... that warrants a YAHOOS !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 14, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
Dano is on waivers. I?d be shocked if he wasn?t picked up by another team. Brossoit is in net tonight, and Byfuglien is out, Kulikov in. Carolina hasn?t lost in regulation yet. The Jets will be in tough to pull out a win.  But, staying out of the penalty box will be a good start. Let?s make our arena a dominant place once again Jets!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 14, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Hopefully the refs don?t puke on this game as well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 15, 2018, 12:05:03 AM
Jets can't score...need one to get going


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 15, 2018, 12:07:44 AM
Jets can't score...need one to get going

There it is!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 15, 2018, 12:39:27 AM
Great pass from Morrissey & nice finish by Little Big Man ............ YAHOOS !!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 15, 2018, 12:47:19 AM
SUPER finish & Victory ......... Brossoit was our super star tonight


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 15, 2018, 12:48:31 AM
Brossoit was excellent tonight. Great goal by Little. He needed that. Two apples for Morrissey!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 15, 2018, 01:10:58 AM
Brossoit was excellent tonight. Great goal by Little. He needed that. Two apples for Morrissey!

I agree on Brossoit. We have a solid back up for Helly. Not the greatest game from the Jets but a win?s a win and the Hurricanes are no free spot either. Clean things up and hopefully we can get a nice win streak going!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 15, 2018, 07:09:35 PM
So Dano has been picked up by the Avalanche ......... hope his career gets a boost.

1290 Radio, Westwood specifically, said the Corsi numbers on the Kulikov/Chiarot combo were pathetic. Supposedly while together the Jets had 2 shots for, 23 against.
Some other numbers gave Kulikov a 1% score while Chiarot was at 4. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 15, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Paul Stastny out two months with a lower-body injury (sort of Jets news considering we tried so hard to sign him).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 16, 2018, 01:35:58 AM
So.....   Anyone hate the unies?

I thought they looked good.   But it did take me a bit to get use to. More then i thought.

Clean and sharp and not all kinda ugly.

Brossoit looked really good....... the team looks pretty strong all together. The longer and harder the games get they have played harder and not let up.

 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 16, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
Paul Stastny out two months with a lower-body injury (sort of Jets news considering we tried so hard to sign him).

Nah. He gone. :P


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on October 16, 2018, 12:49:23 PM
So.....   Anyone hate the unies?

I thought they looked good.   But it did take me a bit to get use to. More then i thought.

Clean and sharp and not all kinda ugly.

Brossoit looked really good....... the team looks pretty strong all together. The longer and harder the games get they have played harder and not let up.

 

They do look better with numbers on them but I'm still not a fan of them.  They are too plain and I really don't like the logo.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 16, 2018, 01:21:30 PM
TheScore has the Jets ranked 19th right now, with a hard schedule to start and a > .500 record. (FTR, yes I know that power rankings don't matter).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 17, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
TheScore has the Jets ranked 19th right now, with a hard schedule to start and a > .500 record. (FTR, yes I know that power rankings don't matter).

Wait n see.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 17, 2018, 01:26:00 AM
Holy crow.  It was 4-1, I go do a few things and it's now 4-4???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 17, 2018, 01:38:06 AM
Holy crow.  It was 4-1, I go do a few things and it's now 4-4???

Well that's embarrassing...we miss Buffy and ehlers needs to be better in OT



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 17, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
Just fell apart in the third. They can?t get in the habit of doing that. Maybe some of the young ones are expecting things to be a bit easier based on how the team did last year? They have to keep working hard and hungry. Rebound game on Thursday!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 17, 2018, 12:02:52 PM
What an embarrassing third period.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on October 17, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
What an embarrassing third period.

Yup. It's like the 2013 Jets came out of the room after the 2nd intermission.

I'll also add that Oilers fans better pray that McDavid stays healthy, because otherwise they're screwed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 17, 2018, 01:36:26 PM
The worst part is that I missed the first two periods. Finished up what I was doing and turned it on for the start of the third, pleased as all heck to see we were up 4-1. Was excited to watch them close it out.

Good grief that was embarrassing. I'm still furious this morning! I hope they play angry against Vancouver.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on October 17, 2018, 01:57:05 PM
I'm starting to believe we aren't as good as everyone thinks we are


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 17, 2018, 02:21:57 PM
I'm starting to believe we aren't as good as everyone thinks we are

Pump the brakes a bit. It's been 6 games and we haven't been bad. We weren't going to go 82-0.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 17, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
Pump the brakes a bit. It's been 6 games and we haven't been bad. We weren't going to go 82-0.

This. Gotta love all the doomsayers losing their minds over not even 1/12th of the season being played; the team is 3-2-1, not 0-6. Pump the brakes is a perfect response.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 17, 2018, 08:51:49 PM
This. Gotta love all the doomsayers losing their minds over not even 1/12th of the season being played; the team is 3-2-1, not 0-6. Pump the brakes is a perfect response.
true but they are not playing  no where near the way they need to come close to last years regilar season results.

Defensive and or the offensive for check is lacking.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2018, 12:47:15 AM
This. Gotta love all the doomsayers losing their minds over not even 1/12th of the season being played; the team is 3-2-1, not 0-6. Pump the brakes is a perfect response.

Well, we are only on track for 96 points so far... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 18, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
true but they are not playing  no where near the way they need to come close to last years regilar season results.

Defensive and or the offensive for check is lacking.

Some people talk like last year was an immaculate example of hockey. It was not. The Jets had plenty of losing streaks and periods where we looked terrible. It took the whole season to get 114 points and second in the league. It's going to take another. That said, I would like to see us pull up our slacks and start dominating more. But, I wouldn't get down on what's happened so far.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2018, 12:32:02 PM
After 6 games last year, we were 3-3, so we are 1 point ahead of last year so far...  9 games in we were 4-3-2, so we can easily keep pace with that....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2018, 12:44:11 PM
true but they are not playing  no where near the way they need to come close to last years regilar season results.

Defensive and or the offensive for check is lacking.

Again: it's been 6 games. That's less than 1/12 of the season. Relax.

Well, we are only on track for 96 points so far... 

So were the Nashville Predators last season after their first six games (3-2-1).

It's a marathon, not a sprint.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 19, 2018, 01:47:38 AM
Again: it's been 6 games. That's less than 1/12 of the season. Relax.

So were the Nashville Predators last season after their first six games (3-2-1).

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Agree.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Knocker42 on October 19, 2018, 11:37:29 AM
I suspect he may still feel the pull from BC.  Interesting that he was at his first Jets game last night and they were playing Vancouver.  I suppose he might only go there on a bye week but.....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 19, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
I suspect he may still feel the pull from BC.  Interesting that he was at his first Jets game last night and they were playing Vancouver.  I suppose he might only go there on a bye week but.....

You talking about Bighill?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 19, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Ves sent to the Moose.

It was good to give him the "reps" with the big boys but ultimately I always thought it was best for him to get a season in the A. I wonder if his send-down confirms he will be with the Moose or if it means he gets to exercise his clause to go play in Finland. Hoping it's the former.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 19, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
Ves sent to the Moose.

It was good to give him the "reps" with the big boys but ultimately I always thought it was best for him to get a season in the A. I wonder if his send-down confirms he will be with the Moose or if it means he gets to exercise his clause to go play in Finland. Hoping it's the former.

Hopefully he sticks around, yeah.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 21, 2018, 12:18:42 AM
Entertaining hockey & a nice win ....... thanks Brossoit for another terrific effort ...... Arizona sure had our, own end, defense in trouble often.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 21, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
Friday night game, with Ves playing, and they got 2700 in attendance...  well, he got an assist...  so there is that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 22, 2018, 11:28:08 PM
Jets need to get their first periods sorted out. 

Can weather it against lower echelon teams like Arizona but St. Louis may be a different story. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 23, 2018, 02:05:14 AM
Jets need to get their first periods sorted out. 

Can weather it against lower echelon teams like Arizona but St. Louis may be a different story. 

Lots to learn yet and get back into it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 23, 2018, 09:54:21 AM
I was exhausted yesterday and went to bed when the Jets were down 3-1. Was surprised to see that they had won the game in OT! In my opinion, they haven?t played a solid 60 minutes yet of their A game in the 9 games so far. They are seriously playing with fire. If and when they figure things out though, look out! They?ll go on a tear.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 23, 2018, 12:11:31 PM
Great comeback and win! Makes me forget about when Edmonton did that to us last week!  :P


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on October 23, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Not including the preseason I'm sure its been 25 games since Ehlers has scored a goal! :o
PauMau came up with some interesting line combinations in the 3rd last night.
I'm guessing Tanev gets a game or 2 for that hit on O'Reily. If so I guess we'll see Petan draw into the line up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 23, 2018, 02:37:38 PM
Pretty sure once they extend Myers, everything will come together.  I think it is the uncertainty of his return that is holding this team back...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 23, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
By no means a pretty win but a gritty, hard-fought one. That tying goal by Little summed up the game, IMO.

This team sure knows how to show up in the final frame but that better not become a habit.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 23, 2018, 03:15:43 PM
Pretty sure once they extend Myers, everything will come together.  I think it is the uncertainty of his return that is holding this team back...

You think that not knowing who will be on the team next year is psyching out players this year?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 23, 2018, 08:25:46 PM
You think that not knowing who will be on the team next year is psyching out players this year?

Sorry, forgot the ;)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 23, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Not including the preseason I'm sure its been 25 games since Ehlers has scored a goal! :o
PauMau came up with some interesting line combinations in the 3rd last night.
I'm guessing Tanev gets a game or 2 for that hit on O'Reily. If so I guess we'll see Petan draw into the line up.
it is 40 plus including playoffs but not pre season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 24, 2018, 12:10:54 AM
First period for sure was a nasty one to survive ..... after that the momentum was picked up to a smothering & rewarding OT win.
WOW ...... did PM panic after the 1st ??? .......... total ice time for Lemieux 1:52 & Roslovic 3:03 ...... did these 2 even shower after the game.
Meanwhile Morrow only played 6:17 & I can't help thinking that Kulikov will play vs the Leafs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 24, 2018, 12:21:15 PM
First period for sure was a nasty one to survive ..... after that the momentum was picked up to a smothering & rewarding OT win.
WOW ...... did PM panic after the 1st ??? .......... total ice time for Lemieux 1:52 & Roslovic 3:03 ...... did these 2 even shower after the game.
Meanwhile Morrow only played 6:17 & I can't help thinking that Kulikov will play vs the Leafs.

Makes sense to me. We were down and needed to keep our fast and skilled scorers on the ice to play catch up. It worked.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 24, 2018, 12:28:02 PM
Makes sense to me. We were down and needed to keep our fast and skilled scorers on the ice to play catch up. It worked.

Exactly. Maurice shuffled his roster and those adjustments paid off.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 24, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Question:

Is Ehlers becoming the new Burmistrov?  Was he rushed into the league?  Outstanding speed and stick talent, but he just does not seem to be meshing at all.  Things got a little better when they told him to just shoot the darn puck, but now they have reverted...

We were all excited when he signed his deal, did that kill his drive?  Can we have that contract languishing on the 4th line?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 24, 2018, 03:51:57 PM
Ehlers is a winger. He was drafted in 2014 and didn't see NHL action until the 2015-16 season and played a full season in junior after being drafted. Burmistrov is a centre. He was drafted in 2010 and played in the NHL immediately after. The latter was rushed. Nobody who watches this team would ever make such an absurd comparison.

And no, his new contract didn't kill his drive. He signed his new deal prior to the 2017-18 season and then went on to score 29 goals (a career high) and amass 60 points over those 82 games. He did struggle in the playoffs to find the back of the net and the reason for that is anyone's guess. That being said, He still plays with his best effort when he's on the ice.

Young players go through droughts and struggles. Yes, it's troubling he's off to a bad start but I think that's due to the line on which he plays more than some individual issue. There's very little chemistry on that second line and I think Maurice needs to change that for benefit of all three players on it. Offensively and defensively, the second line has been liability so far this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 24, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Sounds like Laine is on a line with Scheif and Wheels...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
This team really needs to start playing its game in the first 40 mins.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 25, 2018, 12:34:26 PM
This team really needs to start playing its game in the first 40 mins.

It doesn't look like we skate for the first 35-40 minutes of a hockey game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 25, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
This is team is not the jets of yesteryear. Yet and hopefully it returns.

Trouba is a turnover machine. Liane looks like a lonely kid in a strange city. Hellebuyck looks slow in his movements. Buff doesn?t hit a soul. Wheeler looks hurt out there to me as well.

Western final hangover if you will?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
It doesn't look like we skate for the first 35-40 minutes of a hockey game.

They sure don't. They look totally uninterested for the first two periods.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on October 25, 2018, 03:41:21 PM
Hellebucyk let a few easy ones in. I think they play the backup they win. Getting beat on the short side, last year he let one easy one in a game, cant do that too often. Both goalies weren't great. The Jets need to play mopre speed. Watching Vancouver Las Vegas they played a more up tempo game. Jets got to move the puck. Played not too bad missed the first, thought Jets held their own ,


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 25, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
The 3rd period seems to be the time we fans get to jump out of our seats & that's the way it should be ....... last night was quite the example with a bad finish. 
 ........ but there sure is inconsistency in the first 2 periods for the most part ........... such is sports & the effort to play against other talented players.

For his last 2 games I feel HellB has been beaten on plays where he is much, much too deep in his crease.   Almost a mirror image of Lundqvist's style
PM again ....... showed little faith in Perrault, Roslovic & Lemieux as a line. 
Perrault did get some extra time late & I hope he replaces Copp on Lowry's line ASAP.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 25, 2018, 06:28:19 PM
Here's a listing, by Frank Seravalli, TSN's Senior Hockey Reporter on his 10 Worst Active Free Agent signings & Kulikov is one of the players

https://www.tsn.ca/beleskey-among-10-worst-active-free-agent-signings-1.1197995

Really disliked the original Chevy decision & can't help but agree with his being listed


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2018, 07:30:36 PM
Using a player's tenure/struggles on a garbage team is pretty silly, IMO. What was the alternative when Kulikov was signed back on July 1, 2017? The Jets needed a LH defenseman to round out the blue line and he signed literally the same deal as his prior one with the Panthers. I also don't know how he "struggled mightily" in his 62 regular season games played in 2017-18. Prior to his injury, he seemed to fit his role with the team as expected (a few goals and a handful of assists with a positive +/- and added depth on the left side). Fortunately, the team didn't miss his presence late last season and in the playoffs.

As far as Niku goes, is he ready for a full-time gig in the NHL? He's getting top minutes with the Moose, which he wouldn't be getting with the big club. It's a similar development method to what we saw with Morrissey. He'd also be contending with Chiarot and Morrow, and the press box is no place for a young prospect with his potential. Saying Kulikov is a roadblock for him seems spurious at best.

Kulikov's cap hit is a detractor and moving him seems next to impossible, based purely on his injuries. If his health remains an issue, which seems likely, I could see the team buying him out at the end of the season (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15)) as a worst case scenario.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 25, 2018, 07:52:15 PM
Using a player's tenure/struggles on a garbage team is pretty silly, IMO. What was the alternative when Kulikov was signed back on July 1, 2017? The Jets needed a LH defenseman to round out the blue line and he signed literally the same deal as his prior one with the Panthers. I also don't know how he "struggled mightily" in his 62 regular season games played in 2017-18. Prior to his injury, he seemed to fit his role with the team as expected (a few goals and a handful of assists with a positive +/- and added depth on the left side). Fortunately, the team didn't miss his presence late last season and in the playoffs.

As far as Niku goes, is he ready for a full-time gig in the NHL? He's getting top minutes with the Moose, which he wouldn't be getting with the big club. It's a similar development method to what we saw with Morrissey. He'd also be contending with Chiarot and Morrow, and the press box is no place for a young prospect with his potential. Saying Kulikov is a roadblock for him seems spurious at best.

Kulikov's cap hit is a detractor and moving him seems next to impossible, based purely on his injuries. If his health remains an issue, which seems likely, I could see the team buying him out at the end of the season (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15)) as a worst case scenario.

Agree with all this. Although, I thought Kulikov's contract was over this season. If that were the case, it would be nice to have him as insurance this year and then let him walk in the summer, with Niku sliding in next season after a good year of seasoning with the Moose. It's too bad we have an extra year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 25, 2018, 09:06:57 PM
Any news on the Myers extension?  Guess they have to wait to see what they are doing with Kulikov first...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 26, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
Using a player's tenure/struggles on a garbage team is pretty silly, IMO. What was the alternative when Kulikov was signed back on July 1, 2017? The Jets needed a LH defenseman to round out the blue line and he signed literally the same deal as his prior one with the Panthers. I also don't know how he "struggled mightily" in his 62 regular season games played in 2017-18. Prior to his injury, he seemed to fit his role with the team as expected (a few goals and a handful of assists with a positive +/- and added depth on the left side). Fortunately, the team didn't miss his presence late last season and in the playoffs.

As far as Niku goes, is he ready for a full-time gig in the NHL? He's getting top minutes with the Moose, which he wouldn't be getting with the big club. It's a similar development method to what we saw with Morrissey. He'd also be contending with Chiarot and Morrow, and the press box is no place for a young prospect with his potential. Saying Kulikov is a roadblock for him seems spurious at best.

Kulikov's cap hit is a detractor and moving him seems next to impossible, based purely on his injuries. If his health remains an issue, which seems likely, I could see the team buying him out at the end of the season (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15)) as a worst case scenario.

I thought Kulikov was good for us when he was playing regularly last year. Not sure what all the fuss is about now. Injury concerns are valid but 60+ games a year isn't horrible.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 26, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
I thought Kulikov was good for us when he was playing regularly last year. Not sure what all the fuss is about now. Injury concerns are valid but 60+ games a year isn't horrible.

Couldn't agree more. Seravalli seemed to dig deep on that one, particularly the comments on roadblocking Niku. Pretty preposterous reaching, IMO.

I think Demers' contract is worse, both for the team that offered it and retained salary (Panthers) and the current one (Coyotes).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 26, 2018, 08:25:25 PM
Couldn't agree more. Seravalli seemed to dig deep on that one, particularly the comments on roadblocking Niku. Pretty preposterous reaching, IMO.

I think Demers' contract is worse, both for the team that offered it and retained salary (Panthers) and the current one (Coyotes).

Demers is with the Coyotes now?? I wasn't a fan of the Demers for Dillon trade when it happened, but Dillon seems to have surpassed Demers the past couple of seasons.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 27, 2018, 04:37:18 AM
Demers is with the Coyotes now?? I wasn't a fan of the Demers for Dillon trade when it happened, but Dillon seems to have surpassed Demers the past couple of seasons.

For well over a year. He was traded last September, IIRC.

Decent win in Motown tonight. The slow starts are still a major concern, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 27, 2018, 04:53:28 AM
Brossoit had another really terrific game .......... Howard was real strong & the Jets worked very hard in the last 2 periods for a BIG WIN - YAHOOS !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2018, 03:25:10 PM
So, when does the Hellebuyck / Brossoit debate begin? 

Definitely a lot more confident in our situation between the pipes, with Comrie getting lots of action in the A as well.  Perfect scenario.  And the price for Brossoit?  So cheap for what we are getting so far.  He's probably outplayed Mason's entire year here after 1/8th of the season, at a fraction of the price...

Comrie going to go to Finland as the emergency backup...  the NHL allows that because there isn't an Emergency Backup available over there...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 27, 2018, 03:32:45 PM
So, when does the Hellebuyck / Brossoit debate begin? 

Definitely a lot more confident in our situation between the pipes, with Comrie getting lots of action in the A as well.  Perfect scenario.  And the price for Brossoit?  So cheap for what we are getting so far.  He's probably outplayed Mason's entire year here after 1/8th of the season, at a fraction of the price...

Comrie going to go to Finland as the emergency backup...  the NHL allows that because there isn't an Emergency Backup available over there...


It doesent.....  why would it?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2018, 03:42:24 PM

It doesent.....  why would it?

It was a joke, as evidenced if you read through the post.  D'oh.


Now, how about the debate about Laine on the 1st powerplay and the 4th line.  Not joking.  Have to see who plays where tonight, but it sounds like Schwhehlers is a line now...  Little Connor Perrault was solid, TLC ain't changing ever except for injury.  How about Roslovic, Laine and V?  Have to have the top D pair behind them...



Vesalienen and Niku should be recalled for the trip to Finland for sure... there is an open roster spot for V, maybe put Kulikov on IR for the trip and save wear and tear on him?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 28, 2018, 12:49:48 AM
Omg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 28, 2018, 12:49:51 AM
Jets choke in TO

Trip to Finland might be at a good time.  There is something not right with them - maybe can't handle the pressure of being a good team...whatever it is they need to play a full game and get it sorted it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 28, 2018, 01:36:24 AM
Omg.

x2


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on October 28, 2018, 01:47:14 AM
up 2-1 and lose in regulation.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 28, 2018, 02:02:49 AM
Poolman is going to Finland to fill the roster spot.

Real shocking end ........ such is the pain of sports at times


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 28, 2018, 04:24:26 PM
Odd they didn't take V.  I guess tehy needed an additional D more...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 29, 2018, 12:36:36 AM
Omg.

What a garbage finish last night. Still can't play a full 60.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 01, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Puck drop in 2 hours in Finland.  Anyone the least bit excited in a weekday afternoon game facing the 2-9 Panthers?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 01, 2018, 03:59:45 PM
Puck drop in 2 hours in Finland.  Anyone the least bit excited in a weekday afternoon game facing the 2-9 Panthers?

I am, and plan to watch the game on pvr when I get home.

Just ran to Starbucks to get a coffee and listened to Munzy interview Teemu. It just cannot be overstated what a complete class act that guy is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 01, 2018, 07:51:30 PM
HATTY for LAINE!!

Home cooking!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 01, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
So, there is a run of freed monkeys now...  have to watch out when I go to IKEA...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 02, 2018, 12:20:58 AM
The Panthers certainly had their chances & HellB was TERRIFIC !!!   Panthers were so dominant at times in the first that I was thinking it was going to be a bad day.
Really happy for Laine & WOW did he ever release with Zip for that second goal. 
The fans at the arena definitely got their $$'s worth as it was a very entertaining game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2018, 02:45:43 PM
HATTY for LAINE!!

Home cooking!!

Hell of a game for #29!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 02, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
Should have given Brossant (sp?) a shot in goal for game 2...helly hasn't been spectacular...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2018, 07:42:36 PM
And then a complete stinker after the first period. Lemieux with the dumbest penalty I've seen in a while.

PK has been complete garbage today.

Should have given Brossant (sp?) a shot in goal for game 2...helly hasn't been spectacular...

He's getting no help today. Look no further than the PK. Brossoit wouldn't have made a difference.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 02, 2018, 07:47:51 PM
And then a complete stinker after the first period. Lemieux with the dumbest penalty I've seen in a while.

PK has been complete garbage today.

He's getting no help today. Look no further than the PK. Brossoit wouldn't have made a difference.


he isn't the reason we lost but perhaps the back to back and the travel played a factor...there were a couple he should have had IMO


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
he isn't the reason we lost but perhaps the back to back and the travel played a factor...there were a couple he should have had IMO

What goals? Three PPGs allowed in which the PK as a whole was garbage, and then the fourth after Myers coughed it up and Wheeler couldn't be bothered to back-check.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 02, 2018, 08:40:43 PM
What goals? Three PPGs allowed in which the PK as a whole was garbage, and then the fourth after Myers coughed it up and Wheeler couldn't be bothered to back-check.

For sure the one glove side - went right over it ...will need to see them again (or not).  Last year helly gets some of those. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 03, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
For sure the one glove side - went right over it ...will need to see them again (or not).  Last year helly gets some of those. 

Maybe. The Jets are not playing sound defensive hockey in their own end this season, something at which they excelled last season. Odd man rushes, poor coverage and positioning... They need to be better if they want to repeat the success of 2017-18.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 05, 2018, 09:36:06 PM
Lemieux gets two games for his stupid hit in Finland.  Gotta think PM tuned him up pretty good too


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 05, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
2 games... Petan gets a chance to freeze Lemeiux out of the lineup...  I can see Lemeuix getting traded sometime in the near future...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 05, 2018, 11:41:58 PM
Your thinking trade him ......... due to this idiotic hit or the hit plus his development as an NHL'er


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 06, 2018, 01:03:59 PM
Your thinking trade him ......... due to this idiotic hit or the hit plus his development as an NHL'er

And the logjam we have in the development ranks...  his development isn't keeping pace with others...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 06, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
2 games... Petan gets a chance to freeze Lemeiux out of the lineup...  I can see Lemeuix getting traded sometime in the near future...

I'd rather see 4th line Laine traded


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
I'd rather see 4th line Laine traded

Yeah, that makes sense.

I guess you didn't watch either of the two games played in Finland.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 06, 2018, 03:17:19 PM
Yeah, that makes sense.

I guess you didn't watch either of the two games played in Finland.

No but I certainly saw this before they left to Finland

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/9rzspm/you_gotta_move_byfuglien_yells_at_laine_to_stop/


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
No but I certainly saw this before they left to Finland

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/9rzspm/you_gotta_move_byfuglien_yells_at_laine_to_stop/

Yeah, so you didn't see him get moved to the third line or his four goals in two games. Ya know, what's happened since then.

But, yeah... Trading Laine is reasonable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 06, 2018, 03:46:07 PM
Yeah, so you didn't see him get moved to the third line or his four goals in two games. Ya know, what's happened since then.

But, yeah... Trading Laine is reasonable.

Oh great so he's willing to put in some effort when his family and friends are in the crowd?  Good thing the whole season is played in Finland...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 03:53:15 PM
Oh great so he's willing to put in some effort when his family and friends are in the crowd?  Good thing the whole season is played in Finland...

What a stupid comment. Almost as stupid as saying Laine should be traded.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 06, 2018, 07:32:10 PM
And the logjam we have in the development ranks...  his development isn't keeping pace with others...

Not sure whose play you compared his development to .......... Lemieux is not on the ice due to his Laine shot or Ehlers speed.
Present Jets suck at 5on5 & PM hardly gives Lemieux any ice time. Copp & Tanev have each a single goal but play about 2 & a 1/2 times the ATOI
Laine has only a single goal that is not on the PP. & that was into an empty net.  Ehlers has 2 goals in about his last 45 games.
Wheeler has only 2 goals of which 1 was into an empty net.          I would say a lot have been behind or at par in developing & that includes those on the Moose. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 08:13:19 PM
Not sure whose play you compared his development to .......... Lemieux is not on the ice due to his Laine shot or Ehlers speed.
Present Jets suck at 5on5 & PM hardly gives Lemieux any ice time. Copp & Tanev have each a single goal but play about 2 & a 1/2 times the ATOI
Laine has only a single goal that is not on the PP. & that was into an empty net.  Ehlers has 2 goals in about his last 45 games.
Wheeler has only 2 goals of which 1 was into an empty net.          I would say a lot have been behind or at par in developing & that includes those on the Moose. 

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with player development. The team as a whole this season outside of a select few aren't playing up to expectations set last season but I don't think that's a development issue, per se. The Jets are simply not playing good hockey on a consistent basis right now.

As for Lemieux, I could see him getting sent down after serving his suspension. He basically cost the Jets that second game in Finland.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 06, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with player development. The team as a whole this season outside of a select few aren't playing up to expectations set last season but I don't think that's a development issue, per se. The Jets are simply not playing good hockey on a consistent basis right now.

As for Lemieux, I could see him getting sent down after serving his suspension. He basically cost the Jets that second game in Finland.

I'd be happy to give Petan his chance. He missed out on his big opportunity to crack the Jets once and for all by the tragic passing of his father during TC. Let's hope he takes this and runs with it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on November 06, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
I'd be happy to give Petan his chance. He missed out on his big opportunity to crack the Jets once and for all by the tragic passing of his father during TC. Let's hope he takes this and runs with it.

I mean, he's coming up on 100 games in the NHL. He's had more than a fair chance to make the team outright over the past 4 years, he just hasn't ever done anything to justify his spot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 06, 2018, 10:03:23 PM
I mean, he's coming up on 100 games in the NHL. He's had more than a fair chance to make the team outright over the past 4 years, he just hasn't ever done anything to justify his spot.
I agree don?t understand why some have such a love for the guy? Maybe because he is short and they can relate. lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 07, 2018, 03:04:48 PM
I mean, he's coming up on 100 games in the NHL. He's had more than a fair chance to make the team outright over the past 4 years, he just hasn't ever done anything to justify his spot.

I was hoping for his sake that he is a late bloomer and that perhaps this year he reached the stage of development to crack the roster. Wishful thinking, yeah, but he had a high ceiling going in and at this point, I think it is the tipping point: either he's ready or he's not. It's terrible about his father and how that changed what I think was a pivotal TC in his career and the Jets' prospect pool.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 07, 2018, 08:28:31 PM
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with this but the argument with Petan is that he's a smaller, offensive-minded player who needs offensively skilled guys to play with. He's not a good fit for our third line and up until fairly recently, the fourth line didn't have a lot of offensive players. That's changed a little bit lately. You always want to put players in the best position to be successful and unfortunately for Petan we've had a hard time doing that because he's not good enough to be a top 6 forward in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 07, 2018, 09:16:33 PM
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with this but the argument with Petan is that he's a smaller, offensive-minded player who needs offensively skilled guys to play with. He's not a good fit for our third line and up until fairly recently, the fourth line didn't have a lot of offensive players. That's changed a little bit lately. You always want to put players in the best position to be successful and unfortunately for Petan we've had a hard time doing that because he's not good enough to be a top 6 forward in Winnipeg.

I think the argument can be made that Petan can be likened to Roslovic, who we are trying to make work in a bottom six role. Not sure what the result of that experiment will be, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 10, 2018, 02:31:33 AM
Great Jet game tonight Wheels WOW what a performance.

Great Karma to get my drink on for the bus ride to Regina tomorrow! Whooop whooop!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on November 10, 2018, 01:15:27 PM
One of the best and most complete games this season! They play like this every game and they?ll be tough to beat. Wheeler continues to drive the team. Wow! Also, I didn?t mind Petan?s game, especially for the amount of games he?s played this season. I would be fine with him staying in the lineup and Lemieux sitting after his suspension is over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 10, 2018, 03:21:32 PM
Certainly was a crowd pleaser last night ........... it was definitely Wheels up.   The team was flying around with great energy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
Hell of a game last night! Wheeler was a monster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 11, 2018, 04:26:05 PM
Sami N. recalled by the Jets ......... hope he does well if given an opportunity

Surprise move by Chevy ........... they signed, much travelled in his short career, Logan Shaw on a 1 yr., 2 way contract ........ that's toughness added.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 11, 2018, 04:26:50 PM
Sami N. recalled by the Jets ......... hope he does well if given an opportunity

Surprise move by Chevy ........... they signed, much travelled in his short career, Logan Shaw on a 1 yr., 2 way contract ........ that's toughness added.

They're sending Shaw to the Moose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 11, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
Niku getting the call tells me Kulikov will be out for at least a little while.

I wonder if we see Niku and Morrow rotate.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 11, 2018, 04:54:31 PM
they had stated that Kuli was probably out at least a month ........ Shaw to the Moose makes sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on November 12, 2018, 01:51:04 AM
Coming together 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 12, 2018, 01:51:40 AM
Tonight was a repeat of Friday.

Jets looking like they?ve figured it out.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 13, 2018, 02:06:39 PM
Tonight was a repeat of Friday.

Jets looking like they?ve figured it out.

A few blips aside, they've appeared to have re-discovered what's made them successful the last year or so.

Should be a good test tomorrow against the reigning champs!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 13, 2018, 08:04:18 PM
Quite agree with other comments about Jets seemingly getting their act together.
     BTW:  Wilson for the Caps had his suspension overturned & is eligible to play ....... haven't heard if the sluggo will be in the lineup

*** saw on TSN that Perrault left practise today with an injury ......... nothing against him but he is usually due for games lost each year


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on November 15, 2018, 08:17:24 AM
God bless the Jets. They are starting to turn it up a notch. 11-5-1 and once again in the top 5 in the the league.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 15, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Had me a little worried there for a moment, but we seem to be pulling it together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 15, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
Great win, albeit without Holtby, Oshie and Kuznetsov at the tail of their b2b. Ripe for the picking, and we should have taken advantage, which we did in the final two periods.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
Not the start I was expecting but they found their game in the final 40 minutes and got the win.

Beauty GWG by Chiarot, too. He had a very good game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 15, 2018, 04:20:10 PM
Chiarot with his third goal after scoring 2 all season last year.

Morrissey to get a hearing for the hit on Oshie. I think if he didn't have a bit of history then it would have slid. I'm hoping he doesn't have a target on his back from Player Safety  :-\


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 15, 2018, 04:20:28 PM
Jets survived the 1st period, thanks HellB, then Caps took a few penalties & Jets picked up the beat big time.  WOW did they ever make good chances happen.
Really was a very good team victory

Heard on 1290 Radio that Kristian Vesalainen is expected to be leaving the Moose & playing in the KHL by next week.   Contract is to be with Jokerit.
He had 8 points in 8 games with the Moose. Overseas is a long way away from a call up when injuries, and there will be some, occur.

Morrissey certainly put Oshie to the ice ......... is a suspension on the way ???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 15, 2018, 04:42:46 PM
Watching Hockey Central on SportsNet & they've spent quite a bit of time talking about the Jets, including last nights game.
The 3 fellas, Merrick, Kypreos & Doug MacLean, agree that Morrissey should not be suspended but fined. They feel if the NHL suspends him it opens the hockey play to
many more suspensions when a player goes to the ice.    Other things mentioned including Laine & other Jets ....... not being able to score at even strength.

*** they dug out this fact ......... EYE OPENER ......... Jets are only 29th in 5 on 5 scoring.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 15, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
Watching Hockey Central on SportsNet & they've spent quite a bit of time talking about the Jets, including last nights game.
The 3 fellas, Merrick, Kypreos & Doug MacLean, agree that Morrissey should not be suspended but fined. They feel if the NHL suspends him it opens the hockey play to
many more suspensions when a player goes to the ice.    Other things mentioned including Laine & other Jets ....... not being able to score at even strength.

*** they dug out this fact ......... EYE OPENER ......... Jets are only 29th in 5 on 5 scoring.

Lucky they lead the league on the PP


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 15, 2018, 06:22:33 PM
Watching Hockey Central on SportsNet & they've spent quite a bit of time talking about the Jets, including last nights game.
The 3 fellas, Merrick, Kypreos & Doug MacLean, agree that Morrissey should not be suspended but fined. They feel if the NHL suspends him it opens the hockey play to
many more suspensions when a player goes to the ice.    Other things mentioned including Laine & other Jets ....... not being able to score at even strength.

*** they dug out this fact ......... EYE OPENER ......... Jets are only 29th in 5 on 5 scoring.

Yeah Laine is pretty ******, if i were Maurice I would only play him on the powerplay and that's it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 15, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
Yeah Laine is pretty ******, if i were Maurice I would only play him on the powerplay and that's it

Yup, just give him PP time until his 5 on 5 numbers improve... ummm... hold it...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Yup, just give him PP time until his 5 on 5 numbers improve... ummm... hold it...

Best to just ignore him and his hateful garbage comments.