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Title: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on June 30, 2018, 03:17:38 PM
With free agency starting and a new NHL season on the horizon, we can start the 2018/2019 discussion here.

We will leave the 2017/2018 up for another month before retiring it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on July 01, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
Let?s start this off with a bang:

Forward Paul Stastny will sign a three-year deal with the Vegas Golden Knights.

In 82 games last season, Stastny had 16 goals and 37 assists. The 32-year-old was dealt from the St. Louis Blues to the Winnipeg Jets at the trade deadline in exchange for forward Erik Foley, a conditional first-round pick in 2018 and a fourth-rounder in 2020. Stastny recorded 13 points in 19 games after being acquired by the Jets.

Stastny spent most of four seasons with the Blues, helping them to a string of playoff appearances including a conference final appearance in 2015-16.   

He was coming off a four-year, $28 million deal that carried a cap hit of $7 million per season.

The 32-year-old was drafted by the Colorado Avalanche in the second round (No. 44 overall) of the 2005 NHL Entry Draft. He spent his first eight seasons with the Avs before signing with the Blues in 2014.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 01, 2018, 02:34:23 PM
Guess Chevy will go to Plan B & just do nothing for a center & let PM figure it out.
Unless some huge shock happens ........ Little is okay but I do hope that Roslovic gets a chance at center with Ehlers & Laine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on July 01, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Matt Hendricks signs a one-year, $700,000 contract to play in his home state with the Minnesota Wild. He was a player the #NHLJets signed late last summer but didn't seem interested in retaining for next season. No room at the inn. #wfp


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 01, 2018, 11:42:46 PM
Matt Hendricks signs a one-year, $700,000 contract to play in his home state with the Minnesota Wild. He was a player the #NHLJets signed late last summer but didn't seem interested in retaining for next season. No room at the inn. #wfp

Yawn

Glad he?s gone


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 02, 2018, 12:52:56 AM
Matt Hendricks signs a one-year, $700,000 contract to play in his home state with the Minnesota Wild. He was a player the #NHLJets signed late last summer but didn't seem interested in retaining for next season. No room at the inn. #wfp

Good for him...  good guy and a decent role player.  Unfortunately, he's gotten one step too slow to keep up with this team.  The kids have surpassed him...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 03, 2018, 09:46:06 PM
Sure hope Laurent Brossoit isn't actually our backup goaltender this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
Sure hope Laurent Brossoit isn't actually our backup goaltender this season.

I'm sure we will see Comrie for more than a game or two.  Nice having the Moose in the same building.  But I fully expect Brossoit to be the backup night in night out on the bench.  And get in a few games...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2018, 01:38:34 AM
Sure hope Laurent Brossoit isn't actually our backup goaltender this season.

Pretty sure that's why he was signed. Who else would it be?

Getting Mason off the books is big but it sucks to lose Armia. It is nice to get a prospect defenseman back the other way.

Extremely disappointed in Stastny's decision to sign with the team who eliminated him from the playoffs - another reason to despise Vegas, I suppose. I was really hoping he'd be back after the Jets were able to open up some space trading away Mason.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 07:54:47 AM
I'm sure we will see Comrie for more than a game or two.  Nice having the Moose in the same building.  But I fully expect Brossoit to be the backup night in night out on the bench.  And get in a few games...
Comrie is much worse.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 07:56:37 AM
Pretty sure that's why he was signed. Who else would it be?

Getting Mason off the books is big but it sucks to lose Armia. It is nice to get a prospect defenseman back the other way.

Extremely disappointed in Stastny's decision to sign with the team who eliminated him from the playoffs - another reason to despise Vegas, I suppose. I was really hoping he'd be back after the Jets were able to open up some space trading away Mason.
I'm assuming/hoping Chevy will pluck a better goaltender off waivers just prior to the season. My hope is Brossoit is our 3rd goaltender who's primarily in the AHL, like Hutch last year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2018, 03:43:39 PM
I'm assuming/hoping Chevy will pluck a better goaltender off waivers just prior to the season. My hope is Brossoit is our 3rd goaltender who's primarily in the AHL, like Hutch last year.

Like Mason? :D

Seriously, though, I'm not sure who's even worth a look. Maybe Zatkoff or Lindback...?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
Like Mason? :D

Seriously, though, I'm not sure who's even worth a look. Maybe Zatkoff or Lindback...?
There's a few teams who have some decent 3rd goaltenders who will need to go through waivers once the regular season starts.  The Leafs have a couple I'd be interested in, Sparks and Picard.  But there will be many others...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 04, 2018, 04:53:53 PM
At the price, I'm fine with picking up a guy that Hellebuyck is familiar with and can play in the NHL in a pinch.  He played on an awful Edm team... so I discount a lot of his numbers...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 04, 2018, 06:16:16 PM
I'm fine with picking up a guy that Hellebuyck is familiar with

What do you mean by that?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 04, 2018, 06:22:53 PM
What do you mean by that?
It means he's fine with Laurent Brossoit as our backup.  The two train together in the offseason. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 04, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
It means he's fine with Laurent Brossoit as our backup.  The two train together in the offseason. 

Ahh got it, wasn't sure what he meant by the familiar part. Didn't know they trained together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2018, 06:35:56 PM
It means he's fine with Laurent Brossoit as our backup.  The two train together in the offseason. 

Good to know. Perhaps that's part of why he was signed.

While his career numbers thus far are not good, he's played on some pretty craptacular Oilers teams. His one good season also happened to be the year they made the playoffs. Although, he only played 8 games. His AHL numbers are decent enough.

I have no idea how the backup situation shakes out, but this is a good, low-risk signing for the Jets, IMO. Maybe Brossoit is ready to take that next step as a backup in the NHL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 04, 2018, 09:13:54 PM
Comrie (hasn't been signed yet) & Bros will certainly put together a meaningful battle in TC.
May be wrong ..... but neither can move between Moose & Jets without going to waiver wire this season.

Meanwhile Iles, with Greis & the Rangers who have Lundqvist ...... do not have anyone listed as a backup goaltender on Cap Friendly.
Soooooo a few teams are still deciding on their goaltenders ....... with the pickings slim on experience.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 06, 2018, 11:45:11 AM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 06, 2018, 12:04:43 PM
Ideally this will be Comrie's last year in the A and I hope he explodes and can be our sure-fire #2 next year. But this year I don't think he's ready based on what I've seen.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 06, 2018, 12:45:08 PM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...

That wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea for the right price. Maybe 1 year at $2-2.5M...?

Looks like five RFAs have filed for arbitration: Dano, Hellebuyck, Lowry, Tanev, Trouba.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 06, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...
Where did you hear this speculation? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bowlerdude on July 06, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
I don't mind Brossoit getting a shot to be the regular backup. He's spent his entire career behind one of the leakiest defenses in the league, and the only year Edmonton was any good, Brossoit actually put up pretty good numbers. He's been good in the AHL, he was phenomenal in juniors, got good size and athleticism and a lot of times goalies take a while to develop. Brossoit is only 25, so he's still got room to develop.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2018, 10:35:12 PM
I've heard some speculation about bringing Mason back... he got paid for his contract and is a free agent.  I don't think he's getting $4mil anywhere, would be hella weird... possible, but I don't think its worth it...

Really?

Out to lunch speculation


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 06, 2018, 10:56:54 PM
I don't mind Brossoit getting a shot to be the regular backup. He's spent his entire career behind one of the leakiest defenses in the league, and the only year Edmonton was any good, Brossoit actually put up pretty good numbers. He's been good in the AHL, he was phenomenal in juniors, got good size and athleticism and a lot of times goalies take a while to develop. Brossoit is only 25, so he's still got room to develop.

Pretty much where I stand on Brossoit. Well said.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 07, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
Pretty much where I stand on Brossoit. Well said.
It's still a massive risk. The fact remains is Brossoit is an unknown.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 07, 2018, 03:39:03 PM
It's still a massive risk. The fact remains is Brossoit is an unknown.

Of course it is. But it's also a fact that's the case with most of what's currently available on the market.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 07, 2018, 06:54:54 PM
Of course it is. But it's also a fact that's the case with most of what's currently available on the market.
That's why I suggested the strategy in post 12 of this thread.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
Hellebuyck  6 yrs, 6.16 per... awesome.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 12, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
Hellebuyck  6 yrs, 6.16 per... awesome.
That is a bit of an overpayment in my opinion. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 01:04:22 PM
That is a bit of an overpayment in my opinion. 

Agreed. Although, his is what happens after a career season. And he's still young by goalie standards.

It's imperative he continues to play the same level as last season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 12, 2018, 01:12:41 PM
Agreed. Although, his is what happens after a career season. And he's still young by goalie standards.

It's imperative he continues to play the same level as last season.
My concern is it is a small sample size we have with Helle.  If he continues his performance, it is a great contract.  But if there's some regression, like we saw with Pavelec, then it would turn out to be a bad contract. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
If he maintains his play, then at the end of this deal, we will be remarking what a great deal it is.

I've never understood how goalies aren't the highest paid player on the team.  He'll be what, 32 at the end of this deal?

I'm surprised it wasn't for 8 years, though...

Jim Toth@JimTothSports
Wondering if #NHLJets Connor Hellebuyck was offered a 6x6 & if he said I need the number to be 37... #Goalies





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 01:27:05 PM
My concern is it is a small sample size we have with Helle.  If he continues his performance, it is a great contract.  But if there's some regression, like we saw with Pavelec, then it would turn out to be a bad contract. 

Pavelec never had a full season of Vezina-calibre play, though. Nowhere close, to be honest. I don't know if that's a fair comparison to Hellebuyck who had an incredible run over 67 regular season games and 17 playoff games. All at the age of 24.

I've never understood how goalies aren't the highest paid player on the team.  He'll be what, 32 at the end of this deal?

Because you can't tie up too much money in net. Look at the Habs. And he'll be 31 by the end of his new contract (he just turned 25 in May).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
Pavelec never had a full season of Vezina-calibre play, though. Nowhere close, to be honest. I don't know if that's a fair comparison to Hellebuyck who had an incredible run over 67 regular season games and 17 playoff games. All at the age of 24.

Because you can't tie up too much money in net. Look at the Habs. And he'll be 31 by the end of his new contract (he just turned 25 in May).

So, having $10 mil tied up in a guy that single handedly wins you probably 8-10 games a year (which hurts MTL's draft order) is a bad thing?

Granted, when they go down, it is catastrophic.  NHL needs a 6 game IR type of SMS relief.  Although you can't really parachute players in in a guaranteed contract league...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 12, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
Pavelec never had a full season of Vezina-calibre play, though. Nowhere close, to be honest. I don't know if that's a fair comparison to Hellebuyck who had an incredible run over 67 regular season games and 17 playoff games. All at the age of 24.

Because you can't tie up too much money in net. Look at the Habs. And he'll be 31 by the end of his new contract (he just turned 25 in May).
Goaltenders can be very unpredictable year-to-year. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
So, having $10 mil tied up in a guy that single handedly wins you probably 8-10 games a year (which hurts MTL's draft order) is a bad thing?

Yes, I'd say it is. It's less money to be spent elsewhere. The Canadiens' roster is a mess and having that much tied up in one goalie isn't helping anything. I won't get into whether or not he's worth that $10.5M cap hit, as that's another discussion altogether.

That contract also makes him extremely difficult to move in the event there's a house-cleaning in Montreal.

Goaltenders can be very unpredictable year-to-year. 

You're absolutely right. But I have to think "what have you done for me lately" applies in this case. If his off-season regimen and training/conditioning are any indication, he should put himself in a favourable position to maintain a high level of play.

Hell, he's at the BellMTS IcePlex as we speak, training hard.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 12, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
It is more than I expected, but after thinking about it, I think it's a good balance. I love the 6 year term. Love it.

Regarding $$, I think this is money somewhere between a perennial Vezina candidate and a young up-and-comer who shows a lot of flashes but can't quite get there year to year. Obviously if he's just as good every year as last year it's an amazing deal. I would only start to question it if he levels out to an average goaltender, which I don't think will happen. Helle is super focussed and you can tell he will do anything to be the best.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
Yes, I'd say it is. It's less money to be spent elsewhere. The Canadiens' roster is a mess and having that much tied up in one goalie isn't helping anything. I won't get into whether or not he's worth that $10.5M cap hit, as that's another discussion altogether.

That contract also makes him extremely difficult to move in the event there's a house-cleaning in Montreal.

You're absolutely right. But I have to think "what have you done for me lately" applies in this case. If his off-season regimen and training/conditioning are any indication, he should put himself in a favourable position to maintain a high level of play.

Hell, he's at the BellMTS IcePlex as we speak, training hard.

Price is not the reason MTL sucks, and neither is his contract.  Goaltenders play more minutes than any 2 other players on a team, maybe even 3.  They are on the ice, making a difference, a lot more of the time.  And while a goal scorer may get a handful of shots, and hopefully one goes in... a goaler has to face 30+ shots and not allow them in. 

Just saying, the number of times I hear "they are a good goalie away from competing" happens a lot more than "they are a centre away from competing"...

I don't think that a goalie being your highest paid player is any less appropriate than a QB being your highest paid footballer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 12, 2018, 05:29:04 PM
My concern is it is a small sample size we have with Helle.  If he continues his performance, it is a great contract.  But if there's some regression, like we saw with Pavelec, then it would turn out to be a bad contract. 

I don't remember any regression with Pav. He simply was what he was the entire time he was here.

As for Helle, if you look at the other Vezina candidate contracts, 6x6 is outstanding. If you wanted to lowball him, we would have lost him. This is value. I like it a lot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 12, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
Price is not the reason MTL sucks, and neither is his contract.  Goaltenders play more minutes than any 2 other players on a team, maybe even 3.  They are on the ice, making a difference, a lot more of the time.  And while a goal scorer may get a handful of shots, and hopefully one goes in... a goaler has to face 30+ shots and not allow them in. 

Just saying, the number of times I hear "they are a good goalie away from competing" happens a lot more than "they are a centre away from competing"...

I don't think that a goalie being your highest paid player is any less appropriate than a QB being your highest paid footballer.

Bergevin's inability to manage his roster is part of why the Habs just came off their worst season in franchise history. Why would Price's contract be exempt from the equation?

If that last line were true, we'd see far more goalies being the highest paid players across the league than not. Reality says otherwise (of the 50 highest paid players, only 5 are goalies). Top line forwards and top pairing blue liners tend get the most lucrative contracts by a considerable margin.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 12, 2018, 08:11:47 PM
A little over 6M is not a lot of money for a goalie with Connors numbers for a contract signed this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 12, 2018, 08:13:17 PM
Bergevin's inability to manage his roster is part of why the Habs just came off their worst season in franchise history. Why would Price's contract be exempt from the equation?

If that last line were true, we'd see far more goalies being the highest paid players across the league than not. Reality says otherwise (of the 50 highest paid players, only 5 are goalies). Top line forwards and top pairing blue liners tend get the most lucrative contracts by a considerable margin.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

There have been few opportunities for this to happen, and the few instances it has happened, the goalie has been made the highest paid player on the team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 12, 2018, 08:29:28 PM
Bergevin's inability to manage his roster is part of why the Habs just came off their worst season in franchise history. Why would Price's contract be exempt from the equation?

If that last line were true, we'd see far more goalies being the highest paid players across the league than not. Reality says otherwise (of the 50 highest paid players, only 5 are goalies). Top line forwards and top pairing blue liners tend get the most lucrative contracts by a considerable margin.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point.

Not arguing the point, just commenting that the goalie, like a QB is arguably the most important player on the team, and capable of making the most difference in a win/loss scenario.  How that responsibility does not come with the commensurate pay, I don't know.   

You hear all the time that "He stole the game for them", and the "he" is never a forward or defenceman.  Every time, it is a goalie. 

At best they are and interesting group, at worst, complete loons.  So, sure, they aren't the guys making the spectacular end to end rushes and the "top shelf where gramma hides the cookies" goal.  But for very one of thos that ends up on SportsCentre, you can bet there are many more that don't, becasue the goalie came up with the save.

Not arguing that they should be the highest pair player on every team, just wondering why more are not.  There are definitely a handful outr there that deserve to be.  37 is not in that league yet, but could be in a couple years.  Price definitely is, and Montreal's woes are not on him, much as Hall wasn't holding Edmonton back...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 13, 2018, 02:16:00 AM
Couple of days before the Cap went up 4M, I had posted that I would guess the Jets might get HellB for 5.3M ........ ooooops!!
Real Happy that he has signed for 6 years ....... to bad his sweater # wasn't the amount over 7 years.
Trouba & Morrissey are so crucial .......... If Trouba won't take anything but a bridge than I say Trade Him. Let's get on with life without him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 16, 2018, 03:12:39 AM
Chevy what's happening ??  Certainly is a good chance the next 5 days may answer a few extremely important questions. 
The team still has 6 contracts to be declared out of the 23 normal roster spots under a Cap.

Trouba - will he be a Jet long term ?  I think I will be shocked to hear he doesn't go to the arbitration date meet.
Myers - is he a victim of cap space need ..... hopefully not.   If they need cap room for Trouba - move out Kulikov some how.
Morrissey - can we hear wonderful signing news for this real important talent ?
is Lowry part of the plans going forward & for what $$ & term ?  How about Poolman ?    Will Vesalainen finally get signed ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
According to Elliotte Friedman, the Jets and Trouba's camp are pretty far apart. The team's offer is $4M; his camp wants $7M.

Garbage.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on July 18, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
4mil for how many years? Seems like a lowball offer if true


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
4mil for how many years? Seems like a lowball offer if true

Friedman tweeted a follow-up saying it's par for the course. Obviously, this is the strategic aspect of negotiating and $4M is too low and $7M is too high.

I just don't like the optics when so many fans still choose to dwell on what happened two years ago with Trouba. I hope the two sides work out a long-term contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 18, 2018, 03:42:20 PM
Agree ....... Trouba, long term would certainly make the Jets a bit more settled.
However ...... what do you pay Morrissey, who is touted as the other half of the shutdown Dmen pairing ??  Can't low ball him in my opinion.
Ideal is probably something like ...... Trouba 6.4 x 7 years & Morrissey at 6M x 7 yrs.

Cap money now available is just over 20M., but they need a minimum of 6 contracts to go to reach 23, the league seems to designate as the starting goal.
 Tanev, Dano, Lowry & Poolman with the above 2 gems.  Does Lowry get 3M, Poolman 1.5 & Tanev 1.7M  & Dano a Mill ???
 
Chevy may still be forced to make a trade move to allow them comfortable cap space to deal with the Conner, Laine & Wheeler contract needs next year.   YIKES !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 18, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
4mil for how many years? Seems like a lowball offer if true
That's just how these negotiations work.  I expect the Jets and Trouba to come to an agreement a few minutes prior to their arbitration hearing on Friday. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 18, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
That's just how these negotiations work.  I expect the Jets and Trouba to come to an agreement a few minutes prior to their arbitration hearing on Friday. 

I'd love for that to materialize.

As far as dollars work, I expect around $10M spent on both Trouba and Morrissey together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 18, 2018, 05:20:30 PM
I'd love for that to materialize.

As far as dollars work, I expect around $10M spent on both Trouba and Morrissey together.
I've got Trouba at $6.5 over 5-6 years and a little higher if he goes 8 years.  Morrissey I've got around $5.5 million on a longer team deal.  So I'm projecting the two closer to $12 million.  Now if Morrissey is bridged, then his AAV will be lower, but I'd prefer locking him up long term.  Once Morrissey starts getting PP time his value will skyrocket, which means a bridge deal costs more in the long-term. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 18, 2018, 06:27:45 PM
13 mill for our top pair, 7+ years. Would be great with that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 18, 2018, 08:13:56 PM
Yes indeed - Morrissey has been kept off the PP most often but to go forward, I think it is important to get him more PP involved
Get him wrapped up long term now Chevy


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on July 18, 2018, 08:19:59 PM
13 mill for our top pair, 7+ years. Would be great with that.

Yes, I'd by quite happy with that as well. Hell, guys like Doughty and Karlson are rumoured to be asking for 12+ million per year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 18, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
Its arbitration.  You make an offer, they counter.  That's how it works.

Term on arbitration cases is one or two years, I believe...  no longer than that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 19, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
Lowry signed a 3 year extension worth a total of $8.75 million.  So just under $3 million AAV. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 19, 2018, 08:22:40 PM
Lowry signed a 3 year extension worth a total of $8.75 million.  So just under $3 million AAV. 

I like his play but needs to stay healthy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 19, 2018, 08:24:12 PM
Sounds like only a 1 year arbitration settlement unless last minute news.

Trade bait if only a 1 year I suppose.

I hope the jets aren?t being cheap stakes here.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 19, 2018, 09:17:25 PM
I'm still expecting a long term deal for Trouba to be announced tonight or tomorrow morning


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 19, 2018, 11:23:40 PM
Like the idea of Lowry on paper for 3 years. If things aren't progressing in his performance his hit may be moveable. If decent on ice results then extension later is worth it.

The clock is ticking ...... Trouba,is so tradeable now Chevy ........ get him long term or move him ........ Morrissey is a Star you need to lock down.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 20, 2018, 12:57:41 AM
Lowry signed a 3 year extension worth a total of $8.75 million.  So just under $3 million AAV. 

$2.91AAV. Very good contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 20, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
I'm still expecting a long term deal for Trouba to be announced tonight or tomorrow morning
Trouba's hearing is at 9:30am EST this morning, but what I learned is that the arbitrator takes 48 hours to give their ruling, and during that time the two parties can reach a deal on their own.  Knowing Trouba's agent, this may be what happens. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 20, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Trouba's hearing is at 9:30am EST this morning, but what I learned is that the arbitrator takes 48 hours to give their ruling, and during that time the two parties can reach a deal on their own.  Knowing Trouba's agent, this may be what happens. 

I don't like Oberhardt.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 20, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
Please don't tell me Chevy that we, fans, will have to go thru this drama with Laine, Connor or Wheeler
Yes, within 48 hours a deal can still be struck other than what the announcement will render for info this Sunday morn.

I will suggest we start speculating where Chevy will trade him ......... oh what FUN.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 21, 2018, 12:36:01 PM
Are we 24 you're in yet? Do they normally take the entries allotted time to give team and player a chance to negotiate? Or could we hear at any moment?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 21, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
Are we 24 you're in yet? Do they normally take the entries allotted time to give team and player a chance to negotiate? Or could we hear at any moment?
24 hours till the arbitrator must give their ruling. Not looking good but still time for the two parties to agree to a long term deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 21, 2018, 01:05:40 PM
Trouba asking for too much. He hasn't got the speed. Vegas has defenseman who can play offense and defensively. But hes worth 4.5  if he thinks hes worth more hes a 3 or 4 defenseman on thiss team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 21, 2018, 02:18:08 PM
Trouba asking for too much. He hasn't got the speed. Vegas has defenseman who can play offense and defensively. But hes worth 4.5  if he thinks hes worth more hes a 3 or 4 defenseman on thiss team.

Pretty uninformed comment.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 21, 2018, 02:20:46 PM
Dumba just signed a 6M per for the next 5 years. Using this guy as an easy comparison ....
we may argue, with bias, that Trouba is the better Dman, however Dumba stays more healthy & has quite the positive numbers.

Trouba & Dumba both kill penalties whereas Dumba is a fixture on the Wild PP, where he has 14 goals & 22 assists in 3 seasons to Troubas 2 gls & 9 assists..
Dumba has missed only 7 games in the past 3 seasons ....... to Trouba's 50 games in sick bay, 49 in the past 2 seasons.
Dumba has been a plus 15, 15, & 1 in the past 3, while Trouba is a decent plus 9, 4, 10. Keep in mind that no player gets a plus if on ice during a successful PP.

Chevy has a tough task to get this guy in at no more than 6M per, hopefully at 5.75 per & give Morrissey the same
.......... time marches slowly & impatiently all week.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2018, 02:38:53 PM
Pretty uninformed comment.

What else is new.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 21, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
24 hours till the arbitrator must give their ruling. Not looking good but still time for the two parties to agree to a long term deal.

Apparently the meeting went until 2:30. That is one long period of time telling a guy he's not worth what he says he is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
Looks like no longer term deal. Trouba and his agent are *******! Ridiculous.

I do not think the jets would offer something to low. I really don?t.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2018, 05:06:55 PM
Apparently the meeting went until 2:30. That is one long period of time telling a guy he's not worth what he says he is.

5+ hours... That's insane.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 21, 2018, 05:41:21 PM
Apparently the meeting went until 2:30. That is one long period of time telling a guy he's not worth what he says he is.
Each party gets 90 minutes which is 3 hours. Plus additional time for rebuttals.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: In Motion on July 21, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
I don't think Chevy had much of a choice when it came to locking down Hellybucyk.
Wouldn't mind trading Trouba if he's asking too much.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2018, 06:33:39 PM
 I can almost assure you it?s going to be a one year contract. Then he?ll be on the trading block depending on how the Jets are doing by time trade deadline approaches. If their tops in the league or somewhere close I see they keep them to the end and let em go.

I?d be shocked if they get a two-year contract in arbitration though I hear it?s possible.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 22, 2018, 04:05:58 AM
Earlier Armia was traded & Cap Friendly didn't adjust when I read it saying the Jets needed 6 contracts.
So Lowry got signed but that's balanced with the loss of Armia.  Presently there is just over 18M in Cap space & 6 contracts still to go.
However I noted that we just have 5 players left listed as RFA's to sign.  That being Tanev, Dano, Poolman, Morrissey & Trouba. 
So perfect chance for Brendan Lemieux (839,167K) to excel in camp & make the team.   Vesalainen still is NOT signed.

Clock is ticking with our speculating heightened.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 22, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
I can almost assure you it?s going to be a one year contract. Then he?ll be on the trading block depending on how the Jets are doing by time trade deadline approaches. If their tops in the league or somewhere close I see they keep them to the end and let em go.

I?d be shocked if they get a two-year contract in arbitration though I hear it?s possible.
Jets chose a one year contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 22, 2018, 07:24:54 PM
Jets/Chevy now to decide whether to accept the arbitrator's decision of 1 year for 5.5M ......... basic no brainer
Good amount for the next dozen years (oooops, daydreaming).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 22, 2018, 07:32:22 PM
What a silly and pointless headache for the organization.

I guess Trouba publicly stating he wants to be part of this team long term was just nonsense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 22, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
Time to move on will life a progress.

Trade him away before this season begins to maximize return. Waiting could be a huge risk and lessen he trade value for multiple reasons (injury, crappy play, UFA in 2 years one less).

Count me in this boat.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 22, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
What a silly and pointless headache for the organization.

I guess Trouba publicly stating he wants to be part of this team long term was just nonsense.

A guy that works for me is a friend of Troubas brother. He has no intention of signing here.

He tells me Trouba is a suck and a mamas boy. The guys on the team know it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 22, 2018, 11:56:33 PM
A guy that works for me is a friend of Troubas brother. He has no intention of signing here.

He tells me Trouba is a suck and a mamas boy. The guys on the team know it.

Apparently he is a slow whit as well. lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 23, 2018, 12:17:26 AM

Trade him away before this season begins to maximize return. Waiting could be a huge risk and lessen he trade value for multiple reasons (injury, crappy play, UFA in 2 years one less).

Count me in this boat.
    Quite agree ...... also ...... the fight for better PP time is crucial to Trouba increasing his value. If Myers gets traded than Chevy is really drinking the Trouba kool aid 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 12:42:22 AM
No way Myers gets moved now. If anything, Trouba gets moved sooner than later (good riddance) and Myers gets re-signed.

In other, positive news, Tanev has re-signed: https://www.tsn.ca/jets-sign-f-tanev-to-one-year-deal-1.1145384 (https://www.tsn.ca/jets-sign-f-tanev-to-one-year-deal-1.1145384)

1 year, $1.15M. I like it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 23, 2018, 12:48:30 AM
Nice low ball figure for Tanev & if he puts in more of his chances ........ great for team & his contract value next year ..... a theoretical Win - Win


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 23, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
5 hours to hear the case, and I guess both sides were compelling with a split right down the middle...

I guess the one year option kinda makes sense to get to a long term deal next year, but wouldn't the two year deal make him better trade bait?  Either way, keep or trade, 2 years is better I think.  Unless they are worried the player would be mad at missing out a little on the second year.  He and his agent have already thrown away $6 mil in potential earnings with that bridge deal...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 23, 2018, 01:05:53 PM
The jets got what they wanted. 5.5 for one year. Now they will multiply that number by 4 and say heres 22 mil for 4.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 01:17:13 PM
The jets got what they wanted. 5.5 for one year. Now they will multiply that number by 4 and say heres 22 mil for 4.

The Jets didn't get what they wanted.

And the bolded part is not how it works.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 23, 2018, 02:52:27 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 23, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.

I could be wrong, but the way I understand it, the arbitrator ruled $5.5M for a one year deal, meaning you can't just change the terms of what the arbitrator ruled for 1 year and stretch it out as long as you like. Even if that were the case, no way Trouba would go for that. It is clear that, for reasons none of us know for sure, Trouba doesn't want to be here.

Again, I could be wrong about how this works, and please correct me if I am.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on July 23, 2018, 03:25:34 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.

Trouba just sat through a very long pitch from the Jets as to why he is worth less than some defenseman in the league that are very much worse than he is. Very slim chance you then go on to sign a guy long term after telling him how worthless you think he is through arbitration.

Beyond that, your post is absolutely not how it works. Trouba does not have to sign a deal at 5.5 long term just because an arbitrator ruled that. He only has to sign that for this single 1 year contract with the Jets should they choose to keep him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 03:54:59 PM
Thats how it works. Arbitrator says he is worth 5.5 a year. Arbitrator just valued him . The Jets got him in the middle that's how you bargain. 4 or 7.  They got 5.5. Pretty well the middle .The jets will now use that to sign him long tem contract if they really want him. Theres other defenseman out there.

Yeah, you really don't have a clue. The Jets get Trouba for a year; that's guaranteed. Beyond that, it's not up to them how this plays out. Trouba and his agent clearly prefer to play hardball and his camp will continue to do so until he's traded.

I suggest you get familiar with the arbitration process and how it actually works.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 23, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Yeah, you really don't have a clue. The Jets get Trouba for a year; that's guaranteed. Beyond that, it's not up to them how this plays out. Trouba and his agent clearly prefer to play hardball and his camp will continue to do so until he's traded.

I suggest you get familiar with the arbitration process and how it actually works.

Time to trade Trouba. He's probably worth most in a trade now. We obviously aren't going to pay what he wants and another year is unlikely to change anything in either direction.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 23, 2018, 04:53:18 PM
Time to trade Trouba. He's probably worth most in a trade now. We obviously aren't going to pay what he wants and another year is unlikely to change anything in either direction.

I agree. Obviously, he was just feeding the media and the fanbase horse turds when he said he wants to be here for the long haul.

It's all about the money with him. Another Oberhardt client with a fat head causing headaches and speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Trade him away and be done with this stupidity.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 23, 2018, 08:41:21 PM
We need to come to the reality that Trouba wants out, which is disappointing for a draft and develop team like the Jets...I was getting pretty excited of having a Trouba/Morrissey top paring for the next 6-8 years. 

Having said that, I think Trouba a Jet this season for a Cup run, and then traded next offseason.  His trade value is higher now, but we need him for a cup run, unless we can get equal value now in return. 

With Trouba likely gone, this likely means Myers will be getting an extension.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 23, 2018, 08:51:02 PM
Not only does the 5.5M stand firm, per the arbitrator ruling but the Jets, should they accept it & sign Trouba ........ can't negotiate until January
No doubt #8 will be striving hard to be healthy & up his value with great play.  However, I say cut bait ...... trade him before TC.

If he starts in our home, season opener ....... the barrage of boooooing may be an embarrassment. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 23, 2018, 10:37:20 PM
Get what you can now!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: PloenFan on July 24, 2018, 03:09:06 AM
Trouba played 55 games this season and 60 the previous season, so is he starting to have injury problems ?
Maybe it's time to give Chiarot a bigger role, sign Morrissey and Poolman, and give Sami Niku a chance.
Perhaps we could trade Trouba for a centre to play with Laine and Ehlers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 24, 2018, 03:55:30 AM
Trouba for Dumba... straight up.  No?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 24, 2018, 12:31:58 PM
Trouba for Dumba... straight up.  No?

???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
Trouba for Dumba... straight up.  No?
Why would Minnesota do that?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 24, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
Why would Minnesota do that?
Because Trouba loves Minnesota... doesn't he?  They could sign him long term there too... and he's a better D man, no?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 24, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
Because Trouba loves Minnesota... doesn't he?  They could sign him long term there too... and he's a better D man, no?

He loves Minnesota...? Says who?

The Wild just signed Dumba to a new, long-term, team-friendly contract. Why would Paul Fenton, who just got the GM position there, trade him straight up for a player who's not even signed and just went through a nasty round of arbitration?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 03:25:09 PM
Because Trouba loves Minnesota... doesn't he?  They could sign him long term there too... and he's a better D man, no?
I've heard the teams he wants to play for are Detroit, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay and Florida. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 03:27:23 PM
He loves Minnesota...? Says who?

The Wild just signed Dumba to a new, long-term, team-friendly contract. Why would Paul Fenton, who just got the GM position there, trade him straight up for a player who's not even signed and just went through a nasty round of arbitration?
Yep, before people propose trades they really need to look at the trade form the other parties perspective.  I remember when my buddy was convinced the Jets could trade Pavelec, Tangradi and Peluso to Edmonton for Jordan Eberle.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 06:41:23 PM
Heard Poolman is closing in on a 3 year deal with the Jets. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 24, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
Heard Poolman is closing in on a 3 year deal with the Jets. 

Looks to be official now: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man)

3 years, $775K AAV.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 24, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Good stuff, we are going to need to have some players who punch above their cap hit when the salary crunch comes in full force next summer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
Looks to be official now: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/poolman-gets-three-year-deal-jets-lock-up-another-rfa-d-man)

3 years, $775K AAV.
That's a beautiful contract for your 6/7 d-man, who has upside for more. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on July 24, 2018, 08:54:39 PM
Dano also signed at one year, $800,000. That?s $50000 less than last year. Next up hopefully is Morrissey.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 24, 2018, 09:01:24 PM
Petan is probably next and then Morrissey. I'm hoping for 8 years for Morrissey.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 25, 2018, 02:45:30 AM
I've heard the teams he wants to play for are Detroit, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay and Florida. 
Is it a friend of a friend scenario that gives you the "I've heard" .......... good choices/wish list by Trouba

Detroit have 3 contracts to go with less than 3M of Cap space ........ C/LW, Dylan Larkin is an RFA yet signed by them & they are in desperate need of a young Dman ... Hmmm !
Rangers have over 19M in Cap with 3 contracts needed ......... RFA's,  Dman, Brady Skjei & C/LW Ryan Spooner both have upside
Tampa has under 3M of cap & would have to offer Chevy salary dumps to afford Trouba ...... which may tempt Chevy
Florida, with real good centres, also is Cap strapped & would have to offer the likes of C/LW, Huberdeau or Barkov at 5.9 for 5 years. Trocheck & Bjugstad are also real decent. 

** NOTE: Jets website says that Trouba's contract still has yet to be confirmed as signed ........ hmmmmm !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 25, 2018, 12:04:13 PM
I would trade him for a good forward. Fast and good puck handler , winger or centreman.  Better chance of trading for a better forward. Some of our forwards wouldn't get that much in return. If they traded Stastny which they couldn't , he could have brought us a good player in return. Some teams like Toronto need defenseman, and Toronto has a lot of forwards. Or Florida, they have some good forwards. Doubt they would trade Barkov. But need a smooth forward like Nashville and Vegas have in their lineup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 25, 2018, 12:54:38 PM
I've heard the teams he wants to play for are Detroit, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay and Florida. 

No idea if that's true or not but it makes sense. Detroit is close to where he grew up, New York isn't very far away and Tampa and Florida have no state income tax. Trouba seems like the kind of guy who likes the game but loves the money and lifestyle more.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 25, 2018, 02:17:19 PM
Forwards are fine on this team, we will have an issue getting our young players into the lineup up front.  Our top 9 has players better than many top 6's...  and bringing in another salary (which is what a good forward will bring) into that mix is cap wasteful.

D for D is best, not sure if a young D (if our scouts like him, sure) is better, or a vet and a prospect/pick would be a better return on Trouba.  I don't see him being here long term, so Chevy should keep his ear to the ground when D go down early in the season. 

Waiting too long on Trouba brings a number of problems into the situation, if he puts up big offensive numbers, he gets easier to trade, but harder to sign, if he doesn't, its the opposite, although I think that regardless his production his number is never south of $7 mil... 

I trust Chevy, though.  He will find the optimum situation, one way or the other.  If we end up losing Trouba as a UFA, so be it... but I don't think Chevy will let that happen.  Worst comes to worst, he can sign him for his number and then trade his sorry butt...  someone will take him if he continues his present level, regardless price.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 25, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
No idea if that's true or not but it makes sense. Detroit is close to where he grew up, New York isn't very far away and Tampa and Florida have no state income tax. Trouba seems like the kind of guy who likes the game but loves the money and lifestyle more.
Plus Trouba owns a condo in Florida and his GF is going to school there. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: PloenFan on July 26, 2018, 02:23:51 AM
According to the Jets website, Trouba has signed a one year contract for $ 5.5 million:

https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-trouba-put-pen-to-paper-on-new-one-year-contract/c-299583764

Hopefully we can get Morrissey signed soon.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on July 27, 2018, 11:50:07 AM
This is the year the Jets have to go all in.  Next year the Jets will be in salary cap hell, having to sign Laine, Connor, Wheeler, and Myers.  We have to use our big guns now, while they are here.  Chances are Trouba and (my guess) Connor will be gone next year, since Trouba does not want to play in Winnipeg, and we cannot keep all of our stars, and I would rather have Wheeler for 5 more years than Connor.  It's a given that Laine is going to get a massive contract, possibly north of $9 million if he has another 40 goal season. 

I would also take an upgrade on our backup goalie, at the trade deadline...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 27, 2018, 12:49:44 PM
This is the year the Jets have to go all in.  Next year the Jets will be in salary cap hell, having to sign Laine, Connor, Wheeler, and Myers.  We have to use our big guns now, while they are here.  Chances are Trouba and (my guess) Connor will be gone next year, since Trouba does not want to play in Winnipeg, and we cannot keep all of our stars, and I would rather have Wheeler for 5 more years than Connor.  It's a given that Laine is going to get a massive contract, possibly north of $9 million if he has another 40 goal season. 

I would also take an upgrade on our backup goalie, at the trade deadline...
I wouldn't not say next year we are in "salary cap hell".  But there will be a few tough decisions to make.  I expect Perreault will be traded and one of Troba/Myers will be gone.  Kulikov might be traded as well. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on July 27, 2018, 06:59:37 PM
Kulikov & his pretty big $$ contract, can go now ........ Jets showed they can win without him


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 27, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
Kulikov & his pretty big $$ contract, can go now ........ Jets showed they can win without him
Tough to trade a guy who just had major back surgery.   He will have to prove he is 100% healthy before he has any trade value, unless we want to give up assets to get another team to take him like the Mason/Armia trade. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on July 27, 2018, 09:35:54 PM
I don't see a lot of movement on the team, the dynamic is pretty solid.  I'm sure if the right deal came along for a guy like Kulikov, Perrealt, Little or Copp, Chevy would feel confident in making a move to open cap space and let some young guns get ice time....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on July 27, 2018, 10:30:31 PM
I don't see a lot of movement on the team, the dynamic is pretty solid.  I'm sure if the right deal came along for a guy like Kulikov, Perrealt, Little or Copp, Chevy would feel confident in making a move to open cap space and let some young guns get ice time....

Of course they want to keep everyone together. It just can't happen.

At some point they're going to have to trade or move on from certain players to make room for all our young kids coming off of their entry level contracts.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 28, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
I don't see a lot of movement on the team, the dynamic is pretty solid.  I'm sure if the right deal came along for a guy like Kulikov, Perrealt, Little or Copp, Chevy would feel confident in making a move to open cap space and let some young guns get ice time....


Ill doubt Copp goes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on July 28, 2018, 09:18:47 AM
I wouldn't not say next year we are in "salary cap hell".  But there will be a few tough decisions to make.  I expect Perreault will be traded and one of Troba/Myers will be gone.  Kulikov might be traded as well. 

If Kulikov even plays much next year.  The back injury he has is often career ending.  It happened a few years back with Clitsome.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 28, 2018, 04:46:49 PM
Tough to trade a guy who just had major back surgery.   He will have to prove he is 100% healthy before he has any trade value, unless we want to give up assets to get another team to take him like the Mason/Armia trade. 


He had no surgery. Opted out of it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on July 28, 2018, 10:03:51 PM

He had no surgery. Opted out of it.
You are incorrect. He had the surgery.  He just delayed it until after the playoffs.

For someone who sure likes to criticize others all the time, you might want to get your facts straight. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on July 29, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
You are incorrect. He had the surgery.  He just delayed it until after the playoffs.

For someone who sure likes to criticize others all the time, you might want to get your facts straight. 


LOL

And what did holding it off do for either?   What was the point of it all?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 29, 2018, 05:54:09 PM
And what did holding it off do for either?   What was the point of it all?

He held off and tried other treatment options and was able to return to the lineup in the playoffs. He had surgery in June, IIRC.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on July 29, 2018, 07:43:13 PM
Pretty sure we keep Connor.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on July 30, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Pretty sure we keep Connor.

It would be a colossal mistake if he was an eventual cap casualty.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 01, 2018, 01:29:27 AM
What the heck is taking so long to get the Jets and JoMo to get together?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
What the heck is taking so long to get the Jets and JoMo to get together?

It's August 1st. Still plenty of time for the two sides to figure out what's best. I have to think the Trouba situation has played a factor, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 01, 2018, 04:05:41 PM
Based on my math, we should be able to do a long-term deal with Morrissey at around $5.5 million.  At least for this season.  Next year guys like Perreault will need to go. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2018, 04:33:34 PM
Ken Wiebe wrote up a nice article a couple of weeks back on the Morrissey situation. It provided some pretty solid insight on all the angles: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/morrissey-has-options-to-mull-over-jets-blue-liner-must-decide-between-short-or-long-term-deal (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/morrissey-has-options-to-mull-over-jets-blue-liner-must-decide-between-short-or-long-term-deal)

A pretty good read for those wondering about #44 inking a new contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 01, 2018, 06:01:28 PM
There is some decent logic behind the bridge route for both ......... however I also feel they could be wise to get him at 5.5M now for long term
Currently at approx. 10.2M of space based on 21 of 23 baseline contracts ...... so far 12 forwards, 7 Dmen & 2 goalies
..... if 3.7M is set aside for bonuses & give Josh M. 5.5M ...... that leaves a modest 1M to be used during the season for a player to be rostered, i.e. Petan or Lemieux

Thinking that a modest, careful Chevy, is either going to dump Trouba, Perrault, Myers or Kulikov by TC or Morrissey gets a bridge deal

Interesting to see that Petan's 2 way contract gets placed with the Moose players rather than affecting the Jet's Cap space.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 03, 2018, 03:35:53 AM
It would be a colossal mistake if he was an eventual cap casualty.

So you are saying we should give up on Laine then?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 03, 2018, 03:56:29 AM

Thinking that a modest, careful Chevy, is either going to dump Trouba, Perrault, Myers or Kulikov by TC or Morrissey gets a bridge deal


The Jets won't want to break up the nucleus of the team, when the team is a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.  As for the players you mention:

Trouba- virtually no chance the Jets trade him until the 2019 offseason.  He is crucial for any playoff run.
Perreault- If he is to be moved, it would be after the season. Perreault will be tough to move, due to his age (31).
Myers- His salary is only $3 million for 2018-19.  Chances are we lose him as an UFA, or sign him to a more cap-friendly contract.
Kulikov- There is absolutely no team that would take a player making $4.3 million with a back-injury that is career threatening.  Only way we move him is to offer assets, like the Mason trade.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 03, 2018, 12:07:40 PM
The Jets won't want to break up the nucleus of the team, when the team is a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.  As for the players you mention:

Trouba- virtually no chance the Jets trade him until the 2019 offseason.  He is crucial for any playoff run.
Perreault- If he is to be moved, it would be after the season. Perreault will be tough to move, due to his age (31).
Myers- His salary is only $3 million for 2018-19.  Chances are we lose him as an UFA, or sign him to a more cap-friendly contract.
Kulikov- There is absolutely no team that would take a player making $4.3 million with a back-injury that is career threatening.  Only way we move him is to offer assets, like the Mason trade.

Good points. The only way I see Trouba getting moved is if the return is equal, which means a similarly aged and skilled defenseman. I also don't see Myers getting moved now based on how the Trouba debacle unfolded.

I could see Perreault getting moved at the deadline depending on how the forwards shake out. A team like Montreal could use someone off his talents and Bergevin is probably gullible enough to bite on such a trade. He's still a few decent years left, IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on August 03, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
So you are saying we should give up on Laine then?

Interesting how you came to that


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 03, 2018, 09:44:15 PM
Good points. The only way I see Trouba getting moved is if the return is equal, which means a similarly aged and skilled defenseman. I also don't see Myers getting moved now based on how the Trouba debacle unfolded.

I could see Perreault getting moved at the deadline depending on how the forwards shake out. A team like Montreal could use someone off his talents and Bergevin is probably gullible enough to bite on such a trade. He's still a few decent years left, IMO.

Trade Perrault when he is healthy and not injured 🤕😉


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 04, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
Trade Perrault when he is healthy and not injured 🤕😉
Agree. Perreault has become redundant. Petan should be able to replace him at a much lower salary.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 04, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Agree. Perreault has become redundant. Petan should be able to replace him at a much lower salary.

I love his play but he is fragile.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 05, 2018, 05:46:44 AM
Interesting how you came to that

It's simple mathematics.

We have to give up a young Jets player or two.  We will have no cap room for the 2019-20 season.

We have to sign:

Wheeler
Laine
Connor
Myers

We may likely bridge Morrissey

We have signed:

Hellebuyck $6.16M
Little $5.29M
Ehlers $6M
Scheifele $6.125M
Buff $7.6
Kulikov $4.33M
Lowry $2.92M
Perreault $4.13M


There is simply no way we can sign all of Wheeler, Laine, Connor, and Myers.  2 of them will be gone.  Probably Myers, but it may be a choice between Laine and Connor.  Laine will be looking north of $9 million, and Connor will want at least $5.5 million.  There is no way we part with Laine, so it's either Wheeler or Connor we trade.

Look at Chicago in 2010.  Traded Buff and Ladd (both 24 at the time) for cap space.  Saying we are going to keep every good top 6 forward is foolish.  Ot's not going to happen.  I just pray that Kulikov's back recovers so that he has trade value.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 12:09:06 PM
It's simple mathematics.

We have to give up a young Jets player or two.  We will have no cap room for the 2019-20 season.

We have to sign:

Wheeler
Laine
Connor
Myers

We may likely bridge Morrissey

We have signed:

Hellebuyck $6.16M
Little $5.29M
Ehlers $6M
Scheifele $6.125M
Buff $7.6
Kulikov $4.33M
Lowry $2.92M
Perreault $4.13M


There is simply no way we can sign all of Wheeler, Laine, Connor, and Myers.  2 of them will be gone.  Probably Myers, but it may be a choice between Laine and Connor.  Laine will be looking north of $9 million, and Connor will want at least $5.5 million.  There is no way we part with Laine, so it's either Wheeler or Connor we trade.

Look at Chicago in 2010.  Traded Buff and Ladd (both 24 at the time) for cap space.  Saying we are going to keep every good top 6 forward is foolish.  Ot's not going to happen.  I just pray that Kulikov's back recovers so that he has trade value.



Not sure if I completely agree that we can only sign 2 of those 4,  but if that was the case, then Laine and Connor are the obvious choices.  I like our depth on D so Myers is not top priority and Wheeler is expendable. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 12:51:26 PM
Not sure if I completely agree that we can only sign 2 of those 4,  but if that was the case, then Laine and Connor are the obvious choices.  I like our depth on D so Myers is not top priority and Wheeler is expendable. 

Wheeler "expendable'?  Wow.. you haven't watched a Jets game, ever, right?  They more likely buy out Buff than not give Wheeler a deal he agrees to.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 01:32:49 PM
Wheeler "expendable'?  Wow.. you haven't watched a Jets game, ever, right?  They more likely buy out Buff than not give Wheeler a deal he agrees to.

Yes, I watch pretty much every Jets game.  If you read my comment more carefully, maybe you would reconsider your comment.  First off, I specifically stated that I was only commenting on the 4 players that he named, so your logic on Byfuglien was not even considered.

Also, of the 4 players that he named, yes, Wheeler is the most expendable.... obviously he would be great to keep around, but he is 31 and had a better than average year last year.... there is no way I would keep Wheeler over Laine, Connor or Myers, all things considered.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
Yes, I watch pretty much every Jets game.  If you read my comment more carefully, maybe you would reconsider your comment.  First off, I specifically stated that I was only commenting on the 4 players that he named, so your logic on Byfuglien was not even considered.

Also, of the 4 players that he named, yes, Wheeler is the most expendable.... obviously he would be great to keep around, but he is 31 and had a better than average year last year.... there is no way I would keep Wheeler over Laine, Connor or Myers, all things considered.

Liane is probably the only player less expendable on this team that Wheeler, and that is debatable.  He is the heart and soul of this team , that leads by example in game, in practice and in life.  Remember when a young Liane scored an own goal?  Who was there to handle the situation? 

He was 9th in points last year in the league.  Not on the team, in the 31 team league. 
13th among forwards on TOI/game, and played 81 games.

Connor has potential, sure, and comparing a winger to a dman is not really applicable.

But there is no way Wheeler does not get a contract extension where he gets paid commensurate to his on ice performance, and we will be getting a deal at that price, with what he brings in the room and off the ice.

Sorry, this is not even close.  Make any cap moves you want to, but calculate Wheeler in at a minimum of 7-8 mil over 6-8 years


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Wheeler "expendable'?  Wow.. you haven't watched a Jets game, ever, right?  They more likely buy out Buff than not give Wheeler a deal he agrees to.

Why would the team buy out Byfuglien? That makes absolutely zero sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 03:05:00 PM
Liane is probably the only player less expendable on this team that Wheeler, and that is debatable.  He is the heart and soul of this team , that leads by example in game, in practice and in life.  Remember when a young Liane scored an own goal?  Who was there to handle the situation? 

He was 9th in points last year in the league.  Not on the team, in the 31 team league. 
13th among forwards on TOI/game, and played 81 games.

Connor has potential, sure, and comparing a winger to a dman is not really applicable.

But there is no way Wheeler does not get a contract extension where he gets paid commensurate to his on ice performance, and we will be getting a deal at that price, with what he brings in the room and off the ice.

Sorry, this is not even close.  Make any cap moves you want to, but calculate Wheeler in at a minimum of 7-8 mil over 6-8 years

Are you being serious?  Give Wheeler, at 31 years old, a 6-8 year contract at 8 million per year?  Lol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 03:10:47 PM
Why would the team buy out Byfuglien? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him?  would buying out Buf's deal and re-signing him have a positive cap effect?  He's only getting paid a few mill actual dollars of the next few years but had a high cap hit.  So, we buy out those years at a tiny cost, but make a big SMS saving.. and then re-sign him to a cap friendly amount for more than he's making now, plus his buyout.  


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
Are you being serious?  Give Wheeler, at 31 years old, a 6-8 year contract at 8 million per year?  Lol.


Yes.  Totally.  Ladd was 30 when we offered him 6 at 6... and he was never the player Wheeler is, on the ice or in the room...

8 years, would be at 6-7, 6 years would be 7-8...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 03:16:08 PM
Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him? 

So, you chose to bring up the "more likely" of an extremely unlikely scenario... Why?

And no. That makes about as much sense as you suggesting the Jets re-sign Wheeler to such a ridiculous contract.

Ladd was 30 when we offered him 6 at 6...

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything anymore.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 03:23:29 PM
So, you chose to bring up the "more likely" of an extremely unlikely scenario... Why?

And no. That makes about as much sense as you suggesting the Jets re-sign Wheeler to such a ridiculous contract.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything anymore.

SO, what is a reasonable contract for Wheeler, taking into account his contributions?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
SO, what is a reasonable contract for Wheeler, taking into account his contributions?

I won't speculate on what's a reasonable contract but re-signing a soon-to-be 32-year old winger to $48-$64 million into his late 30s is anything but reasonable when you take a snapshot of the Jets' current situation.

Looking at the full scope of this team and the youth soon to be in need of new contracts, he'll have to take a discount to stay here, IMO. There's simply no way you keep him for the cost/term you're suggesting without losing a piece of the young talent on the roster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
I won't speculate on what's a reasonable contract but re-signing a soon-to-be 32-year old winger to $48-$64 million into his late 30s is anything but reasonable when you take a snapshot of the Jets' current situation.

Looking at the full scope of this team and the youth soon to be in need of new contracts, he'll have to take a discount to stay here, IMO. There's simply no way you keep him for the cost/term you're suggesting without losing a piece of the young talent on the roster.

Perfect.  Well said.  This was exactly my point. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 03:58:34 PM
Awesome read on Laine: https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501 (https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 04:17:17 PM
I won't speculate on what's a reasonable contract but re-signing a soon-to-be 32-year old winger to $48-$64 million into his late 30s is anything but reasonable when you take a snapshot of the Jets' current situation.

Looking at the full scope of this team and the youth soon to be in need of new contracts, he'll have to take a discount to stay here, IMO. There's simply no way you keep him for the cost/term you're suggesting without losing a piece of the young talent on the roster.

Someone will give him that contract.  Sure, we have a wealth of talent on this team, and have to make some tough decisions.  But Wheeler is a guy that you make that kind of commitment to.  8 years is going to be a tough call, but if it comes at $6 per year cap hit, that's a pretty good deal.   

Buff got 5 at 7.6 when he was 30.  Would you rather offer wheeler that deal?  5 years, almost 40 mil.  8 at $6 mil is $48 mil, so you get 3 extra years at less than $3mil per year, and 2 mil in cap space back. 

That's why you give him 8 years. 

Wheeler is a durable player that works hard in the offseason, and has missed 4 games in 5 years.  There is no reason to expect he won't be a solid contributor late into his 30's...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 04:21:57 PM
Someone will give him that contract.  Sure, we have a wealth of talent on this team, and have to make some tough decisions.  But Wheeler is a guy that you make that kind of commitment to.  8 years is going to be a tough call, but if it comes at $6 per year cap hit, that's a pretty good deal.   

Buff got 5 at 7.6 when he was 30.  Would you rather offer wheeler that deal?  5 years, almost 40 mil.  8 at $6 mil is $48 mil, so you get 3 extra years at less than $3mil per year, and 2 mil in cap space back. 

That's why you give him 8 years. 

Wheeler is a durable player that works hard in the offseason, and has missed 4 games in 5 years.  There is no reason to expect he won't be a solid contributor late into his 30's...

Obviously you have convinced yourself that this ridiculous contract is a smart move. We can agree to disagree. On an ending note, I am pretty sure the majority of Jets fans would disagree with your idea.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 04:54:28 PM
Awesome read on Laine: https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501 (https://www.tsn.ca/jets-laine-no-rush-to-sign-extension-1.1158501)

Good to hear that he wants to sign a long term deal to stay in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
I don't think there is a Jets fan that would be against signing Wheeler to at least 5 years.   That deal is going to be 8 mil a year, doubtless.  

Signing him to 6, 7 or 8 makes sense, both short and long term.  Lower cap hit on the AAV, more room to sign other players.  Might hurt on the back end if he stops producing at 38... but there is no reason to believe that will happen.  And we will get full seasons out of him, because he is durable and responsible.  

I worry that if we don't step up to the plate, and he gets to UFA, he can get a better offer elsewhere.  We will get a discount for familiarity, and the advantage we have is term as well.  The risk/reward of a 7-8 year deal makes sense on this player.  If we were talking a guy who plays 40-60 games a year, of course no.  But Wheeler is both a great player and durable.  Can't see downside there...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 05:01:50 PM
Someone will give him that contract.  Sure, we have a wealth of talent on this team, and have to make some tough decisions.  But Wheeler is a guy that you make that kind of commitment to.  8 years is going to be a tough call, but if it comes at $6 per year cap hit, that's a pretty good deal.  

Buff got 5 at 7.6 when he was 30.  Would you rather offer wheeler that deal?  5 years, almost 40 mil.  8 at $6 mil is $48 mil, so you get 3 extra years at less than $3mil per year, and 2 mil in cap space back. 

That's why you give him 8 years. 

Wheeler is a durable player that works hard in the offseason, and has missed 4 games in 5 years.  There is no reason to expect he won't be a solid contributor late into his 30's...

Then let another team with more cap space and less young talent do just that. Same way the Islanders did with Ladd and that garbage contract they gave him.

Nobody is arguing Wheeler's qualities or what he brings to the table, BTW. Anyone who watches this team knows his body work, so you're essentially beating a dead horse. What you seem to ignore, however, is this crucial element called the salary cap and that limits what's feasible for this team. The Jets can simply not afford to pay him what you're suggesting if they wish to retain the young talent they've drafted and developed.

And there is absolutely reason to expect he'll taper out in the future. Most players decline into their 30s and especially after the 35 year mark.

Also, I'd argue Laine and Scheifele are both way less expendable than Wheeler. Among quite a few others, to be perfectly honest. You know, players actually drafted by this organization who are just hitting their stride and will be the core of the Jets for the next decade or so. If Wheeler so chooses to chase money for what could be his last big contract (not that there's anything wrong with that, BTW), saying he's expendable is not an insulting statement.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
I don't think there is a Jets fan that would be against signing Wheeler to at least 5 years.   That deal is going to be 8 mil a year, doubtless.  

Signing him to 6, 7 or 8 makes sense, both short and long term.  Lower cap hit on the AAV, more room to sign other players.  Might hurt on the back end if he stops producing at 38... but there is no reason to believe that will happen.  And we will get full seasons out of him, because he is durable and responsible.  

I worry that if we don't step up to the plate, and he gets to UFA, he can get a better offer elsewhere.  We will get a discount for familiarity, and the advantage we have is term as well.  The risk/reward of a 7-8 year deal makes sense on this player.  If we were talking a guy who plays 40-60 games a year, of course no.  But Wheeler is both a great player and durable.  Can't see downside there...

I would never give Wheeler 8 million.  The amount of cap space that would eat up and take away from signing other future prospects is simply not worth it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 05:47:46 PM
I would never give Wheeler 8 million.  The amount of cap space that would eat up and take away from signing other future prospects is simply not worth it.

He would easily garner a 5yr / 8mil per contract on the open market...

Which is why you sign him to 8 at 6...  he gets more guaranteed, we save even if we buy out the last year or two, and we get an extra 2 mil cap space...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 05:56:04 PM
He would easily garner a 5yr / 8mil per contract on the open market...

Which is why you sign him to 8 at 6...  he gets more guaranteed, we save even if we buy out the last year or two, and we get an extra 2 mil cap space...

Sorry but 8 years at any cost it too long, and 8 million is too much.

He may get 8 million on the open market, but would be with a team that has the cap space.  He would most likely latch onto a bottom feeder team that needs a boost.  No way he would end up on a Stanley Cup contender.

We have too many other priorities and prospects to worry about, than Wheeler for 8 years or spending 6-8 million on him.

Like I said before, agree to disagree.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Sorry but 8 years at any cost it too long, and 8 million is too much.

He may get 8 million on the open market, but would be with a team that has the cap space.  He would most likely latch onto a bottom feeder team that needs a boost.  No way he would end up on a Stanley Cup contender.

We have too many other priorities and prospects to worry about, than Wheeler for 8 years or spending 6-8 million on him.

Like I said before, agree to disagree.

OK, make your bid.  What do you think is reasonable.  You can't say I'm unreasonable without saying what is...

5 years at $6 mil?  He's making $5.6 this year, and is far underpaid. 

6 years too long?  $7 mil too much?  Have you seen the contracts being signed out there? 

91 points... how many of those assists are on Connor goals? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 06:37:13 PM
OK, make your bid.  What do you think is reasonable.  You can't say I'm unreasonable without saying what is...

5 years at $6 mil?  He's making $5.6 this year, and is far underpaid. 

6 years too long?  $7 mil too much?  Have you seen the contracts being signed out there? 

91 points... how many of those assists are on Connor goals? 

I am not going to sign him based off 91 points last season.  Since coming to Winnipeg in 2011 he has been a low 60s to low 70s point guy.  I am not going to pay him based on one really good season.

Personally I would probably think 4 - 5 years at 6 - 6.5 million would be reasonable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 16, 2018, 07:37:19 PM
I am not going to sign him based off 91 points last season.  Since coming to Winnipeg in 2011 he has been a low 60s to low 70s point guy.  I am not going to pay him based on one really good season.

Personally I would probably think 4 - 5 years at 6 - 6.5 million would be reasonable.

In 534 games played as a Jet, Wheeler has put up a total of 478 points. That puts him just shy of 0.9 PPG, best on the team. It's been more than one good season for him and he's been the most consistent Jet as far as offensive production goes.

I agree with your term and money, though. He'll need to take a discount if he wants to be here when the new core takes over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
In 534 games played as a Jet, Wheeler has put up a total of 478 points. That puts him just shy of 0.9 PPG, best on the team. It's been more than one good season for him and he's been the most consistent Jet as far as offensive production goes.

I agree with your term and money, though. He'll need to take a discount if he wants to be here when the new core takes over.

Yes he is very consistent. My point was based on the fact the other poster commented on paying him based on his 91 points last year. Not taking anything away from Wheeler but my point was that he shouldn?t be paid based on a 91 point season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 16, 2018, 08:42:11 PM
Wheeler is going to be 32 in a few weeks and will be 33 at the start of next season. No way he gets a 6 year deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 16, 2018, 09:21:40 PM
Wheeler is going to be 32 in a few weeks and will be 33 at the start of next season. No way he gets a 6 year deal.

Lol, his original idea was an 8 year deal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 16, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
Most I'd give Wheeler is 3-4 years max at an AAV of $7.5-8 million per season; and 4 years makes me a little uncomfortable but I'd probably do it.  He's already making $5.5 so that's only a raise of $2 million.  If another team wants to pay him more and he wants to accept them I'm fine moving on.

I expect Perrault and one of Myers/Trouba gone after next season to create cap space to sign Laine/Connor. We have about $6 million in cap space right now to lock up Morrissey long term this offseason.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 17, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him?  would buying out Buf's deal and re-signing him have a positive cap effect?  He's only getting paid a few mill actual dollars of the next few years but had a high cap hit.  So, we buy out those years at a tiny cost, but make a big SMS saving.. and then re-sign him to a cap friendly amount for more than he's making now, plus his buyout.  
Just to inform you ...... Buff's Cap hit is 7.6M thru season 2020-2021 but the Jets pay him 8M per year till the final year at 6M.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 17, 2018, 06:31:41 AM
Exactly.  But it is a more likely situation that not re-signing Wheeler was the point.  

On the other hand, could you buy him out and re-sign him?  would buying out Buf's deal and re-signing him have a positive cap effect?  He's only getting paid a few mill actual dollars of the next few years but had a high cap hit.  So, we buy out those years at a tiny cost, but make a big SMS saving.. and then re-sign him to a cap friendly amount for more than he's making now, plus his buyout.  

You can't re-sign a bought out player


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 18, 2018, 01:39:27 PM
Just to inform you ...... Buff's Cap hit is 7.6M thru season 2020-2021 but the Jets pay him 8M per year till the final year at 6M.

Sorry, I thought it was more up front.. that was Myers contract...



Stone just got 7.5, right?  Wheeler > Stone. 

I am not going to sign him based off 91 points last season.  Since coming to Winnipeg in 2011 he has been a low 60s to low 70s point guy.  I am not going to pay him based on one really good season.

Personally I would probably think 4 - 5 years at 6 - 6.5 million would be reasonable.

If you could get him to sign that deal, it would be an absolute bargain.  That short a term, I can't see him signing at less than 7 - 7.5.  Not with the tax advantages other teams have, or the needs/wants other teams have.  Ladd got 7 years, $5.5...  and not for point production.  Wheeler is a better leader than Ladd, and scores .2 points per game more... not saying the Isle were smart signing Ladd long term, just saying there are teams that will sign guys...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 18, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
If you're Chevy and it comes down to getting Wheeler back or keeping Laine/Connor/Roso long term, I think the choice is easy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 18, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
Sorry, I thought it was more up front.. that was Myers contract...

Stone just got 7.5, right?  Wheeler > Stone. 

If you could get him to sign that deal, it would be an absolute bargain.  That short a term, I can't see him signing at less than 7 - 7.5.  Not with the tax advantages other teams have, or the needs/wants other teams have.  Ladd got 7 years, $5.5...  and not for point production.  Wheeler is a better leader than Ladd, and scores .2 points per game more... not saying the Isle were smart signing Ladd long term, just saying there are teams that will sign guys...
Stone is a UFA after this season and is from Winnipeg. I'd take Stone over Wheeler every day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 18, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
Stone is a UFA after this season and is from Winnipeg. I'd take Stone over Wheeler every day.

Wow... not sure I agree, not knowing Stone that well, but knowing what Wheeler means to the team here. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 18, 2018, 10:45:24 PM
Wow... not sure I agree, not knowing Stone that well, but knowing what Wheeler means to the team here. 



Mark Stone is almost 6 years younger than Wheeler and is awesome.  I would take Mark Stone over Wheeler any day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 18, 2018, 11:22:06 PM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on August 18, 2018, 11:29:25 PM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.


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Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 18, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.

Stone was a Calder nominee in 2014-15 (tied to lead all rookies with 64 points) and is only 26 years old.  In his last 3 seasons he has 177 points in 204 games, which is 0.87 points per game.  His future is much brighter than Wheelers. 

You are trying to argue what Wheeler has done in the past.  I am looking more at what Stone has in his future.  Stone has a much higher ceiling than Wheeler down the road.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 12:20:18 AM
Stone was a Calder nominee in 2014-15 (tied to lead all rookies with 64 points) and is only 26 years old.  In his last 3 seasons he has 177 points in 204 games, which is 0.87 points per game.  His future is much brighter than Wheelers. 

You are trying to argue what Wheeler has done in the past.  I am looking more at what Stone has in his future.  Stone has a much higher ceiling than Wheeler down the road.

The chances of that are slim to none. Wheeler is a probable point per game player. Stone will be lucky to ever hit that mark.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
Wow... not sure I agree, not knowing Stone that well, but knowing what Wheeler means to the team here. 
Stone is one of the best young wingers in the NHL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:24:41 AM
The chances of that are slim to none. Wheeler is a probable point per game player. Stone will be lucky to ever hit that mark.
Stone had 62 points in 58 games last season. He's a star but doesn't get the recognition because he's in Ottawa.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:34:54 AM
Wheeler has averaged basically a point per game over the past 3 seasons (243 in 245). Only 4 players have more points over the same time frame (Kane, Crosby, McDavid, Kucherov)

He probably improves his linemates production over any other player on the roster. This team doesn't sniff the WCF without Wheeler. Mark Stone isn't even in the same area code of talent and his age definitely doesn't make up for that gap.

There are an exceptionally low amount of players that could match Wheeler's production and none of them are available/coming to Winnipeg.
With all due respect to Wheeler, at age 32, he's a declining asset, but I can see how a non-objective fan would think the way you do. Almost half of Wheelers points (40) came on the power play, which makes his overall point total last season a little deceiving. Long-term, Stone over Wheeler is a no-brainer. For next season though, I'd probably take Wheeler.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:36:25 AM
Stone was a Calder nominee in 2014-15 (tied to lead all rookies with 64 points) and is only 26 years old.  In his last 3 seasons he has 177 points in 204 games, which is 0.87 points per game.  His future is much brighter than Wheelers. 

You are trying to argue what Wheeler has done in the past.  I am looking more at what Stone has in his future.  Stone has a much higher ceiling than Wheeler down the road.
This. Stone is only going to get better. Wheeler is only going to get worse as he ages.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 19, 2018, 01:41:33 AM
Solution ........ Chevy keeps Wheeler, dumps Trouba & Buff's contracts & signs the terrific Mr. Stone  .......... Fantasy film at 11.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 01:47:05 AM
Solution ........ Chevy keeps Wheeler, dumps Trouba & Buff's contracts & signs the terrific Mr. Stone  .......... Fantasy film at 11.
Who plays RHD then? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 02:45:06 AM
With all due respect to Wheeler, at age 32, he's a declining asset, but I can see how a non-objective fan would think the way you do. Almost half of Wheelers points (40) came on the power play, which makes his overall point total last season a little deceiving. Long-term, Stone over Wheeler is a no-brainer. For next season though, I'd probably take Wheeler.

The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 08:45:14 AM
The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.

It baffles me that no one seems to take into consideration my point that Wheeler is almost 32, and Stone is 26. Yes, Wheeler is better NOW, and would be better for the Jets this season and maybe next.... but all people keep talking about is signing Wheeler to a 5-8 year contract.  In 2-3 years, Stone will be the more valuable asset and has a much higher ceiling.  Wheeler is not going to get any better during his next deal.  He is what he is.  Stone is still going to improve a lot.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 09:08:22 AM
It baffles me that no one seems to take into consideration my point that Wheeler is almost 32, and Stone is 26. Yes, Wheeler is better NOW, and would be better for the Jets this season and maybe next.... but all people keep talking about is signing Wheeler to a 5-8 year contract.  In 2-3 years, Stone will be the more valuable asset and has a much higher ceiling.  Wheeler is not going to get any better during his next deal.  He is what he is.  Stone is still going to improve a lot.  
I agree 100% with you. There's obviously no convincing Colton since it looks like he's a Wheeler fan boy thinking with emotion and not objectivity.  Like I said in my earlier post, I'd probably want Wheeler next year for one more cup run, but longer term Stone is a no-brainer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 09:17:26 AM
The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.
My point on the power play points is that we have so much talent already who can produce on the power play. A higher percentage of Stone's points came at even strength; those points are more difficult to achieve.

I think Wheeler's biggest asset is his leadership.  But we have young guys like Scheifele who will fill that role. Wheeler would be 33 when his new contract begins. Anything beyond his age 36 season will be a bad decision in my opinion.

Your comments on Stone tell me you don't really follow much on the NHL outside of the Jets. Wheeler is a declining asset. Stone is a rising star.  If you can't see that, well that's your problem, not mine. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
Guys, Colton is a Sharks fan and I would argue is the most knowledgable hockey person on this site. I don't agree with him all the time but he's not some Jets fan boy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
Guys, Colton is a Sharks fan and I would argue is the most knowledgable hockey person on this site. I don't agree with him all the time but he's not some Jets fan boy.

Unfortunately, on this subject he is not very knowledgeable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 19, 2018, 02:48:40 PM
Points aside, who takes Wheelers leadership role?  Buff and Laine are characters, not leaders.  Scheifele might take the mantle, but can he be as effective?  3 or 4 years from now, he could be the leader of the team, but I don't think he is there yet.

Best case scenario is a 3-4 year deal at 6-7mil.  And if Wheeler things that is enough to retire on, and wants to play where he is loved and can win a cup, he will sign that deal.  It would be dumb, but he could. 

I think he is going to get a much better, longer and more lucrative deal from a team that needs his leadership and skill.  And we will have to up that term or cash to retain him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
Unfortunately, on this subject he is not very knowledgeable.
I would agree. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 19, 2018, 03:00:46 PM
Points aside, who takes Wheelers leadership role?  Buff and Laine are characters, not leaders.  Scheifele might take the mantle, but can he be as effective?  3 or 4 years from now, he could be the leader of the team, but I don't think he is there yet.

Best case scenario is a 3-4 year deal at 6-7mil.  And if Wheeler things that is enough to retire on, and wants to play where he is loved and can win a cup, he will sign that deal.  It would be dumb, but he could. 

I think he is going to get a much better, longer and more lucrative deal from a team that needs his leadership and skill.  And we will have to up that term or cash to retain him.
Wheeler on a 3-4 year deal at an AAV of $6-7 million is one I'd do. 

On the leadership role, at some point organizations have to move on.  We were fine moving on from Ladd, and we will be fine if we need to move on from Wheeler.  Last year was likely a career year for Wheeler.  He is in all likelihood only going to decline as the years go on.  While there are always exceptions, most players don't get better after the age of 33; history has proven that they get worse. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
Points aside, who takes Wheelers leadership role?  Buff and Laine are characters, not leaders.  Scheifele might take the mantle, but can he be as effective?  3 or 4 years from now, he could be the leader of the team, but I don't think he is there yet.

Best case scenario is a 3-4 year deal at 6-7mil.  And if Wheeler things that is enough to retire on, and wants to play where he is loved and can win a cup, he will sign that deal.  It would be dumb, but he could. 

I think he is going to get a much better, longer and more lucrative deal from a team that needs his leadership and skill.  And we will have to up that term or cash to retain him.

Not saying he takes Wheeler?s role but Scheifele is becoming one heck of a leader.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 19, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
Hopefully Wheeler will do a 3 year deal for 6 million after this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 19, 2018, 07:33:18 PM
Hopefully Wheeler will do a 3 year deal for 6 million after this season.

I can't see him signing that deal.  He can get far more on the open market.  More term and more money.  If we get a "current team discount" I could see him at 4 yrs, 7 mil... and that would be a bargain... but even then, I'm sure he will get much better offers that may be hard to refuse...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: RebusRankin on August 19, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
How many teams do you seriously see going for 4 years or more and over 7 million a year for a 33 year old?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
Your comments on Stone tell me you don't really follow much on the NHL outside of the Jets. Wheeler is a declining asset. Stone is a rising star.  If you can't see that, well that's your problem, not mine. 

I see you've gotten to your "Make BS up" section of your argument process. If that's where this is headed I'll throw out that we're talking about a Winnipeg born NHL player here on a Winnipeg forum. The two posters vehemently defending Stone are already related to each other, and the chances they don't know this player or have some sort of tie to him are slim to none the way they talk about him.

So keep trying to deflect trying to make it look like I'm the one not being objective, when between the three of us I'm the only one whose team isn't the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 09:33:12 PM
I see you've gotten to your "Make BS up" section of your argument process. If that's where this is headed I'll throw out that we're talking about a Winnipeg born NHL player here on a Winnipeg forum. The two posters vehemently defending Stone are already related to each other, and the chances they don't know this player or have some sort of tie to him are slim to none the way they talk about him.

So keep trying to deflect trying to make it look like I'm the one not being objective, when between the three of us I'm the only one whose team isn't the Jets.

You are neglecting to comment or answer any of my points.

Wheeler is what he is.  He is better NOW, but he is almost 32 and has no ceiling higher than it already is.  Wheeler is better now, but will be on the decline in the next couple years.  Stone is averaging a career 0.87 points per game, and last year averaged OVER 1 point per game and he is only 26 years old.

Explain to me how signing a declining Wheeler to a 6-7 year contract is smarter than a guy who is rapidly improving with a high ceiling in Stone.  You think in years 3-5 of their contracts, Wheeler is still gonna be better than Stone??  Obviously not.

Makes NO sense. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
You are neglecting to comment or answer any of my points.

Wheeler is what he is.  He is better NOW, but he is almost 32 and has no ceiling higher than it already is.  Wheeler is better now, but will be on the decline in the next couple years.  Stone is averaging a career 0.87 points per game, and last year averaged OVER 1 point per game and he is only 26 years old.

Explain to me how signing a declining Wheeler to a 6-7 year contract is smarter than a guy who is rapidly improving with a high ceiling in Stone.  You think in years 3-5 of their contracts, Wheeler is still gonna be better than Stone??  Obviously not.

Makes NO sense. 

Yes, I do think Wheeler will be better (and I've ALREADY said that, so I don't know where your comment about me neglecting to answer you is coming from. I directly quoted and responded to your post. You're one of the ones neglecting to answer if you have any sort of ties to Mark Stone). He is an elite passer whose skill isn't likely to be hindered by his age. The team I do cheer for has a guy still able to put up a point per game in his late 30's for the very same reason.

Beyond points, which Wheeler has a significant edge in, Wheeler makes everyone around him better in a way Stone never will. You were talking about dropping Wheeler so you don't lose Connor, but Connor hasn't accomplished anything off of Wheeler's line. Connor without Wheeler doesn't finish 4th in Calder voting. Especially if the player replacing Wheeler is Stone. Removing Wheeler from the team is a net negative on every player he routinely plays with.

Beyond that, if Stone is any form of leader he's doing a piss poor job of it with that Ottawa roster being one of the most dysfunctional rosters in modern day hockey.

Beyond THAT, Mark Stone hasn't finished a full season in his entire career. He's fragile as all hell and he rolls around like Neymar when he does go down, which is often.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 19, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
Yes, I do think Wheeler will be better (and I've ALREADY said that, so I don't know where your comment about me neglecting to answer you is coming from. I directly quoted and responded to your post. You're one of the ones neglecting to answer if you have any sort of ties to Mark Stone). He is an elite passer whose skill isn't likely to be hindered by his age. The team I do cheer for has a guy still able to put up a point per game in his late 30's for the very same reason.

Beyond points, which Wheeler has a significant edge in, Wheeler makes everyone around him better in a way Stone never will. You were talking about dropping Wheeler so you don't lose Connor, but Connor hasn't accomplished anything off of Wheeler's line. Connor without Wheeler doesn't finish 4th in Calder voting. Especially if the player replacing Wheeler is Stone. Removing Wheeler from the team is a net negative on every player he routinely plays with.

Beyond that, if Stone is any form of leader he's doing a piss poor job of it with that Ottawa roster being one of the most dysfunctional rosters in modern day hockey.

Beyond THAT, Mark Stone hasn't finished a full season in his entire career. He's fragile as all hell and he rolls around like Neymar when he does go down, which is often.

I guess we will agree to disagree.  And no, I have no ties whatsoever to Mark Stone.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 20, 2018, 01:21:50 AM
Let me say this ......... Wheeler is a great team man & a wonderful leader that has been blossoming with Scheif.
However ....... there is a lot of back & forth here on Stone's perceived youthful value by some vs Wheels elder statesman value.

So I will throw this in to ponder ...... Wheels at age 22 - 25 played 325 games (Boston for 302 & Atlanta for 23) with 75 goals & 161 pts.
In comparison ... Stone during his 22nd to 25th years of playing (also 4 seasons) 284 games, all with Ottawa ... with 91 goals & 241 pts.

So Wheels shows durability but Stone definately makes things happen.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on August 20, 2018, 04:10:04 AM
Let me say this ......... Wheeler is a great team man & a wonderful leader that has been blossoming with Scheif.
However ....... there is a lot of back & forth here on Stone's perceived youthful value by some vs Wheels elder statesman value.

So I will throw this in to ponder ...... Wheels at age 22 - 25 played 325 games (Boston for 302 & Atlanta for 23) with 75 goals & 161 pts.
In comparison ... Stone during his 22nd to 25th years of playing (also 4 seasons) 284 games, all with Ottawa ... with 91 goals & 241 pts.

So Wheels shows durability but Stone definately makes things happen.

Good point. Also, I don?t see Stone?s durability ?issue? as much of a problem. Sure, he?s had a few knicks but he?s played in over 70 games in 3 out of 4 seasons.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 20, 2018, 04:32:23 PM
Good article on the Wheeler situation: https://jetsnation.ca/2018/08/20/the-wheeler-conundrum-part-1-trade-him/


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2018, 08:14:38 PM
Good article on the Wheeler situation: https://jetsnation.ca/2018/08/20/the-wheeler-conundrum-part-1-trade-him/
i would suck to see him go. That?s all I am gonna say on that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 22, 2018, 12:48:43 AM
Article certainly was a decent look at what may be a conclusion or not an outcome that fans would want to have occur.

Jets signed forward Nick Kerdiles to a 1 year, 2way contract ........ most likely a Moose for the year


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on August 24, 2018, 01:51:52 PM
Jason Bell

 
@WFPJasonBell
 3m3 minutes ago
More Jason Bell Retweeted Uffe Bodin
Long-time #NHLJets D Toby Enstrom is returning to Sweden to play for Modo. #WFP


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on August 24, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
Jason Bell

 
@WFPJasonBell
 3m3 minutes ago
More Jason Bell Retweeted Uffe Bodin
Long-time #NHLJets D Toby Enstrom is returning to Sweden to play for Modo. #WFP

Good for him. I think it makes the most sense. He squeezed everything he possibly could have out of an NHL career, especially considering his size, etc. Getting to go back home and still make a cheque playing hockey under far less pressure is a great transition.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on August 25, 2018, 07:41:11 PM
The mental gymnastics to frame Mark Stone being pitiful on the powerplay as a positive over Wheeler being a stud on it is beyond hilarious.

Stone over Wheeler is something a relative or close friend would say, not something someone who is trying to pretend they're being objective would. Talk to me when Stone starts getting considerable amounts of votes for the Hart.

People here put far too much emphasis on age, and ignore not only Wheeler's contribution to the Jets over the last 3 seasons, but also his intangibles (leadership, etc). It's amazing that some think once a player hits 30, their career is pretty much over, ignoring the fact that many NHL players have had some of their best seasons after 31 (Selanne, St.Louis, Chelios, Lidstrom, Jagr, etc).  Wheeler shows absolutely no signs of regressing.  He will be a stud well into his 30s.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2018, 08:48:08 PM
People here put far too much emphasis on age, and ignore not only Wheeler's contribution to the Jets over the last 3 seasons, but also his intangibles (leadership, etc). It's amazing that some think once a player hits 30, their career is pretty much over, ignoring the fact that many NHL players have had some of their best seasons after 31 (Selanne, St.Louis, Chelios, Lidstrom, Jagr, etc).  Wheeler shows absolutely no signs of regressing.  He will be a stud well into his 30s.

Well said. And a couple fans seem to over-emphasize Stone's being from Winnipeg, when the reality is it's irrelevant.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 25, 2018, 10:37:23 PM
Well said. And a couple fans seem to over-emphasize Stone's being from Winnipeg, when the reality is it's irrelevant.
Agreed on Stone being from Winnipeg. It's irrelevant. He's just a smarter long-term solution over Wheeler, regardless where he's from.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2018, 10:41:29 PM
Agreed on Stone being from Winnipeg. It's irrelevant. He's just a smarter long-term solution over Wheeler, regardless where he's from.

The Jets don't need him. There are plenty of younger players already with this organization who will take Wheeler's spot on the wing when the time comes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: gbill2004 on August 25, 2018, 11:26:27 PM
The Jets don't need him. There are plenty of younger players already with this organization who will take Wheeler's spot on the wing when the time comes.
I don't disagree with that either. The initial discussion was Wheeler vs. Stone. But I'm okay with letting Wheeler walk and replacing him from within.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 26, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Jets finally sign Kristian Vesalainen to a 3 year entry level.

Under 18 tournament MVP

Good Chevy


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 27, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
He'll be another, along with Roslovic, that I will enjoy watching at a few TC workouts.      Well done Chevy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 27, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
Nice to see Vesalainen get signed. I'm stoked to see him with the big club.

Hopefully, there's some news on Morrissey soon. TC isn't far off.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 27, 2018, 05:41:09 PM
Comrie's new goalie mask is just gorgeous: https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579 (https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on August 28, 2018, 01:23:38 PM
Comrie's new goalie mask is just gorgeous: https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579 (https://www.bardown.com/winnipeg-jets-rfa-goaltender-s-new-mask-is-absolutely-stunning-1.1163579)

**** that is nice


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 28, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 28, 2018, 06:10:15 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm

I don't know how much can be read into his mask. His older ones were pretty similar in design/influence.

2016-17: http://illegalcurve.com/2016/10/31/behind-the-mask-with-moose-goalie-eric-comrie/ (http://illegalcurve.com/2016/10/31/behind-the-mask-with-moose-goalie-eric-comrie/)

2017-18: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2018/1/29/16946630/winnipeg-jets-call-up-eric-comrie-adam-lowry-back-in-a-regular-jersey (https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2018/1/29/16946630/winnipeg-jets-call-up-eric-comrie-adam-lowry-back-in-a-regular-jersey)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on August 28, 2018, 07:08:35 PM
thanks


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on August 29, 2018, 01:16:07 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm

Dress for the job you want...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on August 30, 2018, 05:39:27 PM
Can't get over the fact he has not signed yet this is reported to be the "new" mask ......... apparently no Moose to be seen ..... that's confidence
Chevy signed Bross to what looked (pending TC battle aside) to be the backup to HellB yet Com commissions a great painted look...... hmmmmmmm

Of all the players in the NHL, I think Comrie can afford another paint job if things don't work out.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 01, 2018, 01:50:47 AM
Of all the players in the NHL, I think Comrie can afford another paint job if things don't work out.

LOL..yeah no doubt.  He probably is due to inherit $100 million soon enough.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 04, 2018, 12:19:12 PM
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Sounds like a big signing about to be announced in Wpg.  Blake Wheeler agrees to 5yr,  $41.25 mil extension.  AAV $8.25 million.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 04, 2018, 12:31:30 PM
I'm good with this. He will retire as captain of the Jets.

I sure would love another 90 points out of him this season, and the leadership he brings is invaluable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 04, 2018, 12:33:48 PM
I don't think there is a Jets fan that would be against signing Wheeler to at least 5 years.   That deal is going to be 8 mil a year, doubtless. 

Signing him to 6, 7 or 8 makes sense, both short and long term.  Lower cap hit on the AAV, more room to sign other players.  Might hurt on the back end if he stops producing at 38... but there is no reason to believe that will happen.  And we will get full seasons out of him, because he is durable and responsible. 

I worry that if we don't step up to the plate, and he gets to UFA, he can get a better offer elsewhere.  We will get a discount for familiarity, and the advantage we have is term as well.  The risk/reward of a 7-8 year deal makes sense on this player.  If we were talking a guy who plays 40-60 games a year, of course no.  But Wheeler is both a great player and durable.  Can't see downside there...

Well, there ya go... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 04, 2018, 12:34:37 PM
Well, there ya go... 

Way to toot your own horn... And I am a jets fan who is not happy about this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 04, 2018, 12:46:32 PM
Way to toot your own horn... And I am a jets fan who is not happy about this.

Its well deserved, both the contract and the tooting of the horn.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 04, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
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Breakdown of Blake Wheeler's #NHLJets extension:
2019-20: $4M SB+$6M salary
2020-21: $6.5M salary
2021-22: $10M salary
2022-23: $6.5M salary
2023-24: $8.25M salary


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 04, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Interesting move. I was not expecting this but good for Wheeler, who clearly wants to remain here. Not sure how I feel about the term and the cap hit, but this does make me wonder if Cheveldayoff's got something up his sleeve.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on September 04, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Well, there ya go... 

I can certainly see many fans questioning the length of the contract.

But I'm a huge Wheeler fan so I'm pretty happy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 05, 2018, 12:25:22 AM
Anticipate that we will be very satisfied with his extension for the next few years ....... after that, we can only hope he ages well in the competition of the game.

Does Chevy have something in the works ....... Trouba to the Habs with whatever else & we get Gallagher & what ever else ???

Mr. Chevy ...... What's happening with Morrissey


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 05, 2018, 03:00:55 AM
On the HFBoards forum apparently there will be a Morrissey and Liane dual announcement soon.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on September 05, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
I can certainly see many fans questioning the length of the contract.

But I'm a huge Wheeler fan so I'm pretty happy.

Good point brought up this morning on TSN that Wheeler is a tremendous skater, and history shows that players who are universally considered "good skaters" have longer careers, ie. Patrick Marleau.  This point was further elaborated on; I am just giving you the Coles Notes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 05, 2018, 01:58:19 PM
Good point brought up this morning on TSN that Wheeler is a tremendous skater, and history shows that players who are universally considered "good skaters" have longer careers, ie. Patrick Marleau.  This point was further elaborated on; I am just giving you the Coles Notes.

I still think the better comparison is Thornton. When I think of Wheeler as a tremendous skater I am thinking of his power as a skater. That's something that might not wear down. Marleau is still a tremendous skater due to the fact that his first two strides still have as much acceleration in them as almost anyone else in the league. That's definitely not something you typically retain once you get into your mid to late thirties but Marleau is a bit of a freak. I think Wheeler is much less likely to lose the strength he currently has and if you combine that with his elite vision and touch with a puck, you've got the exact ingredients that led to Thornton putting up 82 points in 2016 as a 36 year old (and putting up 21 points in 24 playoff games that same year just before turning 37).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 05, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
On the HFBoards forum apparently there will be a Morrissey and Liane dual announcement soon.

What is the HFBoards & where are they found ??        Dual announcement should pump up our spirits.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 05, 2018, 03:37:10 PM
Sadly I heard on 1290 that Ab McDonald has passed on at the ripe age of 82.         R.I.P.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 06, 2018, 12:52:49 AM
What is the HFBoards & where are they found ??        Dual announcement should pump up our spirits.
HFBoards Jets forum. Google it not hard to locate. Been on it for 4 years.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 07, 2018, 01:33:37 AM
Thanks


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 07, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
Thanks

. Did you find it or are you just being a prude?

I am the blue baron on it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 13, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
Those alternative jerseys - boooooooring...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 05:36:43 PM
Those alternative jerseys - boooooooring...



Care to elaborate or send a pic?  I am unaware of alternate jerseys, unless if you are talking about the heritage classics?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 13, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
Care to elaborate or send a pic?  I am unaware of alternate jerseys, unless if you are talking about the heritage classics?

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5007b2ea84aef6ab9cd08134/t/5b9a814baa4a998b0be05194/1536852309901/?format=750w)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on September 13, 2018, 05:47:32 PM
Looks like the "the jetsons" cartoon.

So dull


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 06:21:34 PM
good lord you cant be serious those look terrible


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 13, 2018, 06:25:54 PM
What a horribly wasted opportunity. Literally anything else would be better.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 06:26:56 PM
What a horribly wasted opportunity. Literally anything else would be better.

I'm holding hope that this is a troll and they actually announce something better tomorrow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on September 13, 2018, 06:50:52 PM
^sure hope you are right, those leaked photos are completely underwhelming.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 13, 2018, 06:57:42 PM
I'm holding hope that this is a troll and they actually announce something better tomorrow.

They reportedly came from the NHL online store, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

I'm curious if the numbers+nameplates will help out at all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 13, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
They reportedly came from the NHL online store, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

I'm curious if the numbers+nameplates will help out at all.

yeah I thought of that too


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 13, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
Wow... those Jerseys are going to be easy to clone, but who in their right mind would want to?  They challenge the digital camo Bombers jerseys...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 13, 2018, 10:25:11 PM
They will look awesome on the ice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 16, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
I hope they sign Morrissey soon, even if it is just for a bridge deal. 

Having said that, I am so glad Winnipeg actually has a well run sports team. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 16, 2018, 01:08:22 PM
Geez having trouble signing our young D men! Chevy get it done!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 16, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
Geez having trouble signing our young D men! Chevy get it done!

Could be worse.  We could be the Ottawa Senators.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 16, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
Morrissey!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 16, 2018, 09:39:28 PM
BIG YAHOOS ....... Morrissey is signed for 2 years at a AAV of 3.150M

Can't get over how cheap he signed ........ huge discount for a great asset.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 17, 2018, 05:37:34 AM
Morrissey pretty much signed for what Trouba did in the same circumstances, no?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 17, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
Good: Morrissey re-signs.

Bad & Ugly: Jets unveil alternate jersey. And it's absolute trash.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 17, 2018, 03:18:12 PM
where's the Red in the jersey .......... correct, none can be found .......... what the hey designers ...... what the hey ??


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on September 17, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Are they going to be wearing these jerseys in Finland? The colour palette is very similar to the Finnish national jerseys... wonder if they're hoping to sell a bunch abroad.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 17, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
I'm not sure about the third jersey... as a color rush uni, its kinda lacking, and I don't think a lot of other teams are doing the color rush theme...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 17, 2018, 04:38:46 PM
Except the NHL isn't doing Color Rush. That was NFL.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 17, 2018, 05:22:25 PM
It sucks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on September 17, 2018, 06:05:16 PM
Re Morrisey contract: It's a deal for the next two years but after that the Jets will have to pay the man! $$$

Re 3rd Jersey's: I like the colour and the wordmark logo, however the jersey as a whole appears unfinished to me. Looks the like the designer started a 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, got as far as they could and hit send a 5pm just before clocking out for Miller time.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2018, 12:44:36 PM
Quite a few of them in the stands at the game last night. I wonder how well they're selling.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on September 18, 2018, 12:58:38 PM
Quite a few of them in the stands at the game last night. I wonder how well they're selling.

I don't doubt they are selling well, heck, he Bombers sold those digital camo jerseys.  There are diehards that will buy anything with the logo on the tag, and a bunch of them want to be the first to put thier money down.

I have to wonder about conjecture I've seen out there about the Finn connection, these being very similar to Finn national looks.  Will they be wearing the third jersey in Helsinki?  Or is it better marketing to use the HC jersey (and sell a lot of #8 jerseys), or the current home jersey and sell a lot of #29's?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 18, 2018, 03:23:32 PM
Quite a few of them in the stands at the game last night. I wonder how well they're selling.

I noticed that too.  Everyone I've talked to hates the jersey designs so I was surprised at seeing so many in the stands.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2018, 04:21:04 PM
Here's an idea of how they should've looked, IMO: https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138 (https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138)

I think TNSE really missed the mark.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on September 18, 2018, 05:17:11 PM
Here's an idea of how they should've looked, IMO: https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138 (https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138)

I think TNSE really missed the mark.

Yeah i actually really like the first one in the link there.  Still not crazy about the logo in general but adding 'Winnipeg' does make it look better.  I really like the red that would go with the gloves and pants, not a big change from what they released but the red looks much better than black in my opinion.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2018, 06:25:48 PM
Yeah i actually really like the first one in the link there.  Still not crazy about the logo in general but adding 'Winnipeg' does make it look better.  I really like the red that would go with the gloves and pants, not a big change from what they released but the red looks much better than black in my opinion.

I agree. The red makes it all pop so nicely while paying homage to the Jets of old.

As for the actual alternate jerseys, is it black or is it just the polar blue like on the regular jersey? I think it's the latter but it gets washed out against the light aviator blue colour.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 19, 2018, 01:12:16 AM
New jersey with no name bar or no., selling for $199.99 ........... the top is okay (no red - grrr) but not crazy with the complete look.

Have caught a few workouts over a couple of days ........ saw Buff on ice today & within minutes of the first drill quietly skate off bothered by something.
Roslovic, Perr & Vesa work real well together. Connor is such a pure sniper. Ehlers & Tanev are amazingly quick & Laine does indeed have a first step jump now.
Niku & Stanley (so much better than last year's camp) were with the 9 o'clock "youngster" session today.   Dano, Petan & Lemieux are a line with the noon "main" group.
Brossoit was sensational at practise while HellB was meh ........ in the other earlier group Comrie was great.   Appleton & CJ Seuss show smarts & shot to go with nice speed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 19, 2018, 01:51:41 AM
New jersey with no name bar or no., selling for $199.99 ........... the top is okay (no red - grrr) but not crazy with the complete look.

Have caught a few workouts over a couple of days ........ saw Buff on ice today & within minutes of the first drill quietly skate off bothered by something.
Roslovic, Perr & Vesa work real well together. Connor is such a pure sniper. Ehlers & Tanev are amazingly quick & Laine does indeed have a first step jump now.
Niku & Stanley (so much better than last year's camp) were with the 9 o'clock "youngster" session today.   Dano, Petan & Lemieux are a line with the noon "main" group.
Brossoit was sensational at practise while HellB was meh ........ in the other earlier group Comrie was great.   Appleton & CJ Seuss show smarts & shot to go with nice speed.


I agree with pretty much all.


I guess im different as i like the new unies.  I think they will look good on the ice.

I dont mind the lil red in that other but i like it without better.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 19, 2018, 07:28:59 PM
Here's an idea of how they should've looked, IMO: https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138 (https://www.bardown.com/a-hockey-fan-made-a-simple-colour-change-to-jets-third-jersey-and-it-looks-much-better-1.1175138)

I think TNSE really missed the mark.

Good effort but a little too much red for me. I wanted a little red, but just an accent of it (akin to the amount of neon the Seahawks used). Even a little red maple leaf on the top left of the "J" would have sufficed. Or, a combo of the polar blue and small red border to form a shoulder/collar "cap" of the sweater like done for the heritage jersey.

I do think that this new "Jets" text tertiary logo is a huge improvement over the previous one, and think it should replace it.

I also would have liked to have included "Winnipeg" in the text swoosh, as seen in the other new merch versions.

All in all, while I still don't like it, it is growing on me a bit and certainly does look better with patches and numbers.

I knew TNSE wouldn't want to just do another nostalgic jersey as that's been done (and is awesome, and I hope they will wear it some time in the future). However, the part I'm disappointed in is how there was a great opportunity to do something awesome with the Jets colours, logos and fighter jet-theme, and it's a little disappointing considering that.

Anyway, it's just a jersey, nothing to freak out over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
It just looks like a baseball jersey in hockey format. Lazy design.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 20, 2018, 02:07:46 AM
I still say ...  once its on the ice it will look really good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 20, 2018, 12:59:41 PM
I still say ...  once its on the ice it will look really good.

You could be right, but I think a lot are not only/just concerned that it's attractive vs ugly, but if they look at all like the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 20, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
I still say ...  once its on the ice it will look really good.

How will it look better on the ice?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on September 23, 2018, 07:52:18 PM
For all I care the Jets could wear the 80s Canucks jerseys. As long as they hoist the cup I will be happy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: In Motion on September 23, 2018, 08:02:53 PM
The colour reminds me of the St. Jose Sharks, but it's not a big deal to me.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 23, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Knock on wood Jets remain really healthy heading into tonight


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 23, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
The colour reminds me of the St. Jose Sharks, but it's not a big deal to me.

And Tampa


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 23, 2018, 10:21:54 PM
How will it look better on the ice?



Its clean and has good colours.

I think it will look sharp.

I actually like the way they went.   Not all fancy trying to bring in the old with the new.

Just a clean simple look.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 27, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Last preseason game for our high flyers goes tonight ........... the real meaningful games start in a week ...... YAHOOS !!

Barring unexpected injuries ..... will Ehlers start the year with Roslovic as his center ?    Will Laine be with Perrault & Little.
Who will be the player to start the year in the seemingly only forward spot open ...... Dano, Lemieux or Vesalainen ??
Hope the coaches keep Myers on the right side with a new partner in Niku, strongly consider Morrow to open with Buff ......... Chevy trade Kulikov please.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 27, 2018, 05:17:41 PM
I think I would like to see Lemieux in the lineup out of those three, with Dano in the press box and Vesalainen with the Moose to get some seasoning with the North American game


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 27, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Looking forward to my section 222 visit tonight. Only preseason but it?s nearly a full complimentary line up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 28, 2018, 03:24:49 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, the Jets have placed the following players on waivers: F Seth Griffith, F Nicolas Kerdiles, F Dennis Everberg, F JC Lipon and D Cameron Schilling.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on September 28, 2018, 04:15:39 PM
I think I would like to see Lemieux in the lineup out of those three, with Dano in the press box and Vesalainen with the Moose to get some seasoning with the North American game

But apparently Vesalainen wouldn't report to the Moose, he'd go back to Liiga if he doesn't make the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 28, 2018, 05:19:03 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, the following players have been sent down the Moose: G Mikhail Berdin, G Eric Comrie, D Sami Niku, D Nelson Nogier, D Peter Stoykewych, F Mason Appleton, F Jansen Harkins, F Skyler McKenzie, F Kristian Reichel, FCJ Suess.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on September 28, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
It's not set in stone that Vesa goes home if not on the Jet's roster ........ wasn't it termed as an option to being assigned to the Moose.

I'll agree with the like towards Lemieux being in the starting line-up in St. Louis ........ he offers a more spark plug mode of team oomph on the ice vs. Vesa.
Niku going back to the Moose is smart ...... though I was looking forward to him starting.  More experience is gained from using Kulikov & Morrow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on September 28, 2018, 07:23:24 PM
It's not set in stone that Vesa goes home if not on the Jet's roster ........ wasn't it termed as an option to being assigned to the Moose.

I'll agree with the like towards Lemieux being in the starting line-up in St. Louis ........ he offers a more spark plug mode of team oomph on the ice vs. Vesa.
Niku going back to the Moose is smart ...... though I was looking forward to him starting.  More experience is gained from using Kulikov & Morrow.

Nothing's set in stone, I think the assumption is that he wouldn't report to te Moose. But I'm sure they've been trying to convinve him and his agent that it's a good idea.

We're definitely going to see Niku a lot this year. First call up kind of guy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on October 01, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
Jets' fans will find ESPN's power rankings interesting......

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24852013/nhl-preseason-power-rankings-reasons-optimism-all-31-teams


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 04:47:17 PM
Jets' fans will find ESPN's power rankings interesting......

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24852013/nhl-preseason-power-rankings-reasons-optimism-all-31-teams

I would have placed them higher... ;)

Just listening to 1290 on the way to work, and they were giving the ratings for the offseason. A, C, C-.  Really?  Big complaints? Not signing Trouba / Morrissey longterm,  or extending Laine...  Stasny was accepted as a "wasn't going to happen", but still, that was the only signing not done...  and dumping the Mason contract at the cost of Armia...  

I think that's a little harsh.  Everyone got signed, we're under the cap, and still have one of the best farm systems in the league...  I'd say A, a- at worst...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 05:02:33 PM
I would have placed them higher... ;)

Just listening to 1290 on the way to work, and they were giving the ratings for the offseason. A, C, C-.  Really?  Big complaints? Not signing Trouba / Morrissey longterm,  or extending Laine...  Stasny was accepted as a "wasn't going to happen", but still, that was the only signing not done...  and dumping the Mason contract at the cost of Armia...  

I think that's a little harsh.  Everyone got signed, we're under the cap, and still have one of the best farm systems in the league...  I'd say A, a- at worst...

A's should be for teams that significantly improve the talent level of their team over the course of the off-season. The Jets didn't have an "A" offseason.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 01, 2018, 05:07:09 PM
A's should be for teams that significantly improve the talent level of their team over the course of the off-season. The Jets didn't have an "A" offseason.

That's a silly definition. How does any true contender achieve an "A" by that definition? Only teams that need a lot of improvement could do that. The top teams, Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington etc. basically needed to keep the band together. There isn't cap room to 'significantly improve' talent level on those squads. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 05:21:26 PM
A's should be for teams that significantly improve the talent level of their team over the course of the off-season. The Jets didn't have an "A" offseason.

Kinda think that improving while staying under the cap would have been almost impossible.  When you are ranked, say, #1 or above, then keeping talent is the key.  They lost Stasny, and used Armia to get rid of Mason.  Other than that, the team that went deep in the playoffs last year is all under contract, and we have some new players trying to break into the lineup.

Its easy to "improve" a team when you sucked and have cap space...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 01, 2018, 05:29:10 PM
More importantly: who gives a rip what those clowns on TSN1290 think?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 05:51:38 PM
That's a silly definition. How does any true contender achieve an "A" by that definition? Only teams that need a lot of improvement could do that. The top teams, Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington etc. basically needed to keep the band together. There isn't cap room to 'significantly improve' talent level on those squads. 

They probably don't unless they add major pieces to an already competitive team like Toronto/San Jose did this offseason. If you were already competitive you don't need to have an "A" offseason to stay competitive.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
Kinda think that improving while staying under the cap would have been almost impossible.  When you are ranked, say, #1 or above, then keeping talent is the key.  They lost Stasny, and used Armia to get rid of Mason.  Other than that, the team that went deep in the playoffs last year is all under contract, and we have some new players trying to break into the lineup.

Its easy to "improve" a team when you sucked and have cap space...

Multiple teams were able to do so, so the fact that the Jets couldn't is a pretty clear indication they didn't have a top tier off-season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Multiple teams were able to do so, so the fact that the Jets couldn't is a pretty clear indication they didn't have a top tier off-season.

So, the lack of off seaon moves has reallt affected the talent pool on the team... they've dropped a lot in hte rankings... oh, wait... just a sec... this just in.. Jets are ranked #1... so, literally NO ONE had a better off season.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 07:13:14 PM
So, the lack of off seaon moves has reallt affected the talent pool on the team... they've dropped a lot in hte rankings... oh, wait... just a sec... this just in.. Jets are ranked #1... so, literally NO ONE had a better off season.  

Yep, going into the season with a worse roster than the previous year... the very definition of a perfect offseason. Good thing ESPN has the Jets ranked #1. They can't name all 31 teams in the league or identify the logos or players of the teams 80% of the time but what does that really matter?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 01, 2018, 07:47:20 PM
That's a silly definition. How does any true contender achieve an "A" by that definition? Only teams that need a lot of improvement could do that. The top teams, Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington etc. basically needed to keep the band together. There isn't cap room to 'significantly improve' talent level on those squads. 

I think I agree with what Colton is saying here.

No one is saying the Jets aren't a top team, simply that they didn't do a bunch of things this off season (in some cases because they didn't need to). I don't think you can compare them to a team who made of bunch of adds (or needed to make deletions).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 01, 2018, 07:53:20 PM
Yep, going into the season with a worse roster than the previous year...

How are they worse team than last season?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 01, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
How are they worse team than last season?

Same team minus Stasny.

Not fair, but true.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 01, 2018, 10:58:06 PM
But apparently Vesalainen wouldn't report to the Moose, he'd go back to Liiga if he doesn't make the Jets.


I guess that depends what Ves wants to do. I don't see any reason for him to want to go back to Finland. He can really grow by staying here and having a locker across the hall from the big boy club.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2018, 11:14:10 PM
Same team minus Stasny.

Not fair, but true.

Sure, Stasny was a nice player to have, and clicked wiuth Laine and Ehlers... for a time.  But other than Stasny, who was a Jet for 19 games, the roster is not only intact, but they have added young players, and existing players are better for having another year under their belt...

This is a better team than the one that started last season, and better than the one that ended last season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 01, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Sure, Stasny was a nice player to have, and clicked wiuth Laine and Ehlers... for a time.  But other than Stasny, who was a Jet for 19 games, the roster is not only intact, but they have added young players, and existing players are better for having another year under their belt...

This is a better team than the one that started last season, and better than the one that ended last season.

It's the same team minus a guy that put up 28 points in 36 games including nearly a PPG pace in the playoffs through the WCF, as well as one of the better forwards on the PK.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

This is a worse team on paper than the one that ended last season. That doesn't mean they won't do better than the previous year, but it does mean that they did not have an "A" offseason.

But of course I'm talking to a guy that hates the living guts out of any player that chooses to leave the city of Winnipeg. So Stastny was actually the worst player in the NHL and the team is better off without him despite the obvious chemistry he brought to his line that the Jets now lack and are experimenting to fix with their current shake ups.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 01:10:16 AM
Same team minus Stasny.

Not fair, but true.

So, they lost a rental who chased money. They were still a very good team before acquiring him.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

Uh, the same could be said for literally 28 other teams. What's your point?

Outside of Stastny, though, how is this team worse than last season?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 02:36:56 AM
So, they lost a rental who chased money. They were still a very good team before acquiring him.

Uh, the same could be said for literally 28 other teams. What's your point?

Outside of Stastny, though, how is this team worse than last season?

"Outside of the only change made to the roster, which I agree was a net negative, how is the team worse than before?"

Question for you. Who is richer of these two people: The person who has a net worth of $34 Million, or the person who has a net worth of $38 Million?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 03:41:32 AM
It's the same team minus a guy that put up 28 points in 36 games including nearly a PPG pace in the playoffs through the WCF, as well as one of the better forwards on the PK.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

This is a worse team on paper than the one that ended last season. That doesn't mean they won't do better than the previous year, but it does mean that they did not have an "A" offseason.

But of course I'm talking to a guy that hates the living guts out of any player that chooses to leave the city of Winnipeg. So Stastny was actually the worst player in the NHL and the team is better off without him despite the obvious chemistry he brought to his line that the Jets now lack and are experimenting to fix with their current shake ups.

At the end of last year, there were a lot fewer players under contract than there is today...   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 12:15:20 PM
"Outside of the only change made to the roster, which I agree was a net negative, how is the team worse than before?"

Question for you. Who is richer of these two people: The person who has a net worth of $34 Million, or the person who has a net worth of $38 Million?

Oh, boy. :D

The Jets had Stastny for a couple of months but were a very good team without him - essentially the majority of the regular season.

I guess if you feel the need to point how the team is marginally worse on paper without one player, that's your prerogative. On the one hand, you say the Jets didn't have an 'A' off-season but then go on to say they didn't have to.

So, forgive me if I don't understand what you're getting at, unless it's just to troll Aardsy - in which case, carry on. ;D

And again: who gives a wet fart what anyone employed by TSN1290 thinks?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
Oh, boy. :D

The Jets had Stastny for a couple of months but were a very good team without him - essentially the majority of the regular season.

I guess if you feel the need to point how the team is marginally worse on paper without one player, that's your prerogative. On the one hand, you say the Jets didn't have an 'A' off-season but then go on to say they didn't have to.

So, forgive me if I don't understand what you're getting at, unless it's just to troll Aardsy - in which case, carry on. ;D

And again: who gives a wet fart what anyone employed by TSN1290 thinks?

Well when the entire discussion revolves around that, it's pretty important.

I've never even insinuated that I care about TSN1290's ranking. I've only ever given my own thoughts on the subject.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 03:56:31 PM
It's the same team minus a guy that put up 28 points in 36 games including nearly a PPG pace in the playoffs through the WCF, as well as one of the better forwards on the PK.

There have been no regular season games played by any member of the current roster since their last game against Vegas, so they have accrued absolutely zero experience since the end of last season.

This is a worse team on paper than the one that ended last season. That doesn't mean they won't do better than the previous year, but it does mean that they did not have an "A" offseason.

But of course I'm talking to a guy that hates the living guts out of any player that chooses to leave the city of Winnipeg. So Stastny was actually the worst player in the NHL and the team is better off without him despite the obvious chemistry he brought to his line that the Jets now lack and are experimenting to fix with their current shake ups.

So, you think the expectations for Laine's season are the same as they were to start the last year?  That he will produce exactly the same number of points as last year?  That, other than slimming down 15lbs, he is the same player because he has had zero NHL games since last year?

Oh Kay...


All the team is under contract.  Sure,having Trouba, Morriessy and Laine signed long term would be nice, but they are under contract and under control.  The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 02, 2018, 04:14:36 PM
So, you think the expectations for Laine's season are the same as they were to start the last year?  That he will produce exactly the same number of points as last year?  That, other than slimming down 15lbs, he is the same player because he has had zero NHL games since last year?

Oh Kay...


All the team is under contract.  Sure,having Trouba, Morriessy and Laine signed long term would be nice, but they are under contract and under control.  The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 

You seem to be under the impression that Colton is saying the Jets are a bad team. No one is saying that. We all have very high expectations. Saying we've somehow gotten better in an off season in which we didn't add anyone (and lost a couple of guys) doesn't make any sense though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 02, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
Heard the Jet practise report that the extra forwards today on line rushes are Dano & Lemieux.  Vesa stays with Ehlers & Roslovic
The odd Dmen are Kulikov & Poolman.  As the Jets have to declare their 23 man roster by 4, we can expect Poolman to be sent down to the Moose.

Sure hope that Laine, Perrault & Little can click & put the points on the board in the 5 on 5 scenarios


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
So, you think the expectations for Laine's season are the same as they were to start the last year?  That he will produce exactly the same number of points as last year?  That, other than slimming down 15lbs, he is the same player because he has had zero NHL games since last year?

Oh Kay...


All the team is under contract.  Sure,having Trouba, Morriessy and Laine signed long term would be nice, but they are under contract and under control.  The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 

No I don't factor in the development and experience Laine gained through the 2017/2018 Regular Season/Playoffs as a factor into how the Jets as an organization did this OFFSEASON


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 06:00:11 PM
No I don't factor in the development and experience Laine gained through the 2017/2018 Regular Season/Playoffs as a factor into how the Jets as an organization did this OFFSEASON

Annoying caps and incredulous attitude aside, I can guarantee you the Jets organization takes that into account when they make their decisions about moves (or non-moves) they make in the offseason. In any event, your rating system is flawed and poorly thought out if you are judging offseasons based on who 'improved' the most and take 'improved' to equal sign more/better players. Not every team is the same. It may not make sense for some teams to add players. Certainly, not everyone makes a big free agent splash. Not everyone makes a big trade. If you tie offseason rankings to those things exclusively, you don't really have a good understanding of the sport. An "A" offseason looks differently for every team because every team has different goals and priorities.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 06:06:14 PM
Annoying caps and incredulous attitude aside, I can guarantee you the Jets organization takes that into account when they make their decisions about moves (or non-moves) they make in the offseason. In any event, your rating system is flawed and poorly thought out if you are judging offseasons based on who 'improved' the most and take 'improved' to equal sign more/better players. Not every team is the same. It may not make sense for some teams to add players. Certainly, not everyone makes a big free agent splash. Not everyone makes a big trade. If you tie offseason rankings to those things exclusively, you don't really have a good understanding of the sport. An "A" offseason looks differently for every team because every team has different goals and priorities.

And the Winnipeg Jets didn't attain those goals after failing to retain Stastny despite making a push for him, so they don't deserve an A.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 06:29:17 PM
And the Winnipeg Jets didn't attain those goals after failing to retain Stastny despite making a push for him, so they don't deserve an A.

You're having trouble with this one, eh? The Jets could have signed Paul Stastny. They would have had to pay him an AAV of around $6.5M which is what he signed for in Vegas. If they had done so, they would have had to possibly move someone else out either this year or in the near future. Obviously, they felt this was not in the team's best interest. So no, I don't give them negative off-season marks for that. I think it's the subtleties that have been lost on you. Too much NHL 2018 or something? Signing players doesn't always equal good. Not signing players doesn't always equal bad. The Jets have never made a lot of big moves in the summer. To suggest they needed to this year, to have an "A" offseason is absurd.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
The fact that we have core players like Hellebuyck, Ehlers, Scheiffle and Wheeler locked up long term is pretty swell. 

Well, those two in bold weren't re-signed this off-season. So, mentioning them in this discussion makes no sense.

Oh, and it's Scheifele, BTW.

And the Winnipeg Jets didn't attain those goals after failing to retain Stastny despite making a push for him, so they don't deserve an A.

What do they deserve, then?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 06:42:07 PM
You're having trouble with this one, eh? The Jets could have signed Paul Stastny. They would have had to pay him an AAV of around $6.5M which is what he signed for in Vegas. If they had done so, they would have had to possibly move someone else out either this year or in the near future. Obviously, they felt this was not in the team's best interest. So no, I don't give them negative off-season marks for that. I think it's the subtleties that have been lost on you. Too much NHL 2018 or something? Signing players doesn't always equal good. Not signing players doesn't always equal bad. The Jets have never made a lot of big moves in the summer. To suggest they needed to this year, to have an "A" offseason is absurd.

I'm not having trouble with anything. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny. They didn't let him walk. "they felt this was not in the team's best interest" is blatantly false.

In addition to this, they also had a player go to arbitration


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
I'm not having trouble with anything. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny. They didn't let him walk. "they felt this was not in the team's best interest" is blatantly false.

In addition to this, they also had a player go to arbitration

Haha okay. I'll slow down. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny but ultimately not with a blank chequebook. The Jets felt that what he inevitably signed for was not in the team's best interests and they said as much. Read the tweet slowly and a couple times if you need to. Ask a friend or loved one if you're still having trouble.

@DarrenDreger
Winnipeg learned late last night Statsny was likely headed in a different direction. Jets went beyond their cap comfort trying to keep him.

As for having someone go to arbitration with Trouba, the situation sucked and it could have been avoided if the Jets wanted to write him a $7M per year cheque. They decided to take the hard route and I view that as a good move for the team overall. Based on your criteria of an off-season you think the Jets should have signed Stasny for $6.5 and Trouba for $7M. That would have had major implications and neither of those players are probably worth that much. I will repeat, if that's the moves you wanted the Jets to make to get an "A" off-season, then you don't have a good handle on the game.

Elliotte Friedman: "Arbitration filings for Jacob Trouba: Jets are at $4M, player at $7M. Hearing is 48 hours away."


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 07:53:10 PM
If the team that takes the ice for game one has more talent that the team that finished the last game the previous year, the team got better.

Is Stasny a loss?  Sure.  Is he an upgrade on Little/  Sure.  On Roslovic?  Sure, for now.  But who knows how the lines are going to shake out this year.  The key is, can we still roll 4 lines, and will te production from the combined 4 lines be better than the production from the previous year's 4 lines?

Is our D better?  Besides all being healthy to start the year, is our D better?  When your 3rd pairing is Kulikov/Myers, that is pretty darned solid. 

Hellebuyck/Brossoit?  Better pairing than Hellebuyk/Mason?  Not worse, I don't think...

Offseason development is a very important part of hockey.  Thinking that every player is going to report to camp exactly the same he was after his final shift of the previous season is crazy.   Older players are going to slow down, lose a step... younger players have been working on refining their craft, getting into shape (sometimes a different shape altogether) to enhance what they bring to the table, so that they can be better and earn that next contract...

This team is better than last year, and has more cost certainty.  The top pairing isn't under contract long term yet, but are under the Jets control for now, at cap friendly numbers.  Which keeps the door open to extend them or other players when the option becomes available.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 02, 2018, 07:54:58 PM
Per Sara Orlesky on Twitter, Jets have assigned D Poolman to the Moose. Roster is down to 23.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 07:56:02 PM
if that's the moves you wanted the Jets to make to get an "A" off-season, then you don't have a good handle on the game.

The Jets moved an asset to free cap room in an attempt to try to sign Stastny for less than he signed for in Vegas and were not successful at signing him to that dollar value. That isn't an "A" off-season move. It also isn't an "F" off-season move, it was clearly just not what the Jets as an organization wanted to happen in an ideal situation. They were able to take the cap space they had allocated to Stastny and use it in a positive manner, but they also have to hope the players they have now can fill the hole of losing out on Stastny. Maybe that will happen (and I hope that it does), but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't plan A.

Arbitration filing numbers are not what the team or the player has been asking for throughout the process. They are inflated on both ends.

Based on my criteria for an "A" offseason, the Jets would have reached some sort of middle ground or even gotten Trouba to budge more on his demands, not budge 100% over to his demands. Signing him to the exact contract he signed without resorting to arbitration would have been better than what happened. The actual result was not an "F" but it wasn't an "A". No team nor player wants to go to arbitration. The very nature of it is a relationship killer. If you want to tell me that taking a player to arbitration is the best case scenario go right ahead.

Your lack of ability to recognize any middle ground between complete failure and perfection is astounding. There are letter grades that exist between A and F. I have never once said that the Jets had a terrible offseason. I said that they did not have an "A" offseason.

Keep on throwing out childish insults because you're still triggered over a conversation that happened on this forum like 3 weeks ago though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 08:17:28 PM
The Jets moved an asset to free cap room in an attempt to try to sign Stastny for less than he signed for in Vegas and were not successful at signing him to that dollar value. That isn't an "A" off-season move. It also isn't an "F" off-season move, it was clearly just not what the Jets as an organization wanted to happen in an ideal situation. They were able to take the cap space they had allocated to Stastny and use it in a positive manner, but they also have to hope the players they have now can fill the hole of losing out on Stastny. Maybe that will happen (and I hope that it does), but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't plan A.

Arbitration filing numbers are not what the team or the player has been asking for throughout the process. They are inflated on both ends.

Based on my criteria for an "A" offseason, the Jets would have reached some sort of middle ground or even gotten Trouba to budge more on his demands, not budge 100% over to his demands. Signing him to the exact contract he signed without resorting to arbitration would have been better than what happened. The actual result was not an "F" but it wasn't an "A". No team nor player wants to go to arbitration. The very nature of it is a relationship killer. If you want to tell me that taking a player to arbitration is the best case scenario go right ahead.

Your lack of ability to recognize any middle ground between complete failure and perfection is astounding. There are letter grades that exist between A and F. I have never once said that the Jets had a terrible offseason. I said that they did not have an "A" offseason.

Keep on throwing out childish insults because you're still triggered over a conversation that happened on this forum like 3 weeks ago though.

You were the one using 400 point font because the Jets don't meet your lousy definition of offseason "A". You're blatantly changing words and splitting hairs which is the oldest trick in the book and says "I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just try for semantics". I'll continue to talk to you in the manner you talk to anyone else who disagrees with you. Case in point, this thread, one page back, or many of your past comments when you get all upset that someone doesn't agree with your often incorrect views.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 02, 2018, 08:23:22 PM
You were the one using 400 point font because the Jets don't meet your lousy definition of offseason "A". You're blatantly changing words and splitting hairs which is the oldest trick in the book and says "I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just try for semantics". I'll continue to talk to you in the manner you talk to anyone else who disagrees with you. Case in point, this thread, one page back, or many of your past comments when you get all upset that someone doesn't agree with your often incorrect views.

I've just clearly detailed multiple examples of why I don't think the Jets had an "A" offseason that have absolutely zero to do with semantics that you completely ignored. If you have no intentions of actually having a discussion and are only looking to escalate this into a fight, I see no reason to continue this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 02, 2018, 08:31:22 PM
I've just clearly detailed multiple examples of why I don't think the Jets had an "A" offseason that have absolutely zero to do with semantics that you completely ignored. If you have no intentions of actually having a discussion and are only looking to escalate this into a fight, I see no reason to continue this.

Your examples have shifted from where they started, which was 'they didn't add anyone' to become 'they didn't avoid arbitration with Trouba' and 'they didn't resign Stasny' (even though they tried and felt his asking price was too high). There's no fight here. You were just being condescending to someone else for them telling you your criteria made no sense, and then when I went into it with you, you completely changed the details and tried to split hairs because guess what, it made no sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2018, 09:25:10 PM
The Jets moved an asset to free cap room in an attempt to try to sign Stastny for less than he signed for in Vegas and were not successful at signing him to that dollar value. That isn't an "A" off-season move. It also isn't an "F" off-season move, it was clearly just not what the Jets as an organization wanted to happen in an ideal situation. They were able to take the cap space they had allocated to Stastny and use it in a positive manner, but they also have to hope the players they have now can fill the hole of losing out on Stastny. Maybe that will happen (and I hope that it does), but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't plan A.

Arbitration filing numbers are not what the team or the player has been asking for throughout the process. They are inflated on both ends.

Based on my criteria for an "A" offseason, the Jets would have reached some sort of middle ground or even gotten Trouba to budge more on his demands, not budge 100% over to his demands. Signing him to the exact contract he signed without resorting to arbitration would have been better than what happened. The actual result was not an "F" but it wasn't an "A". No team nor player wants to go to arbitration. The very nature of it is a relationship killer. If you want to tell me that taking a player to arbitration is the best case scenario go right ahead.

Your lack of ability to recognize any middle ground between complete failure and perfection is astounding. There are letter grades that exist between A and F. I have never once said that the Jets had a terrible offseason. I said that they did not have an "A" offseason.

Keep on throwing out childish insults because you're still triggered over a conversation that happened on this forum like 3 weeks ago though.

The Jets freed up cap room space because Mason wasn't needed at any price, and despite liking Armia, he was definitely expendable.  If that was the cost of $4mil in cap space, that was actually a pretty solid deal.

Losing Stasny to tax free Vegas for both cash and term, really a no brainer for Stasny... and Vegas.  And a non-starter for us, because we need to sign too many players that the term of his deal would jeopardize.  So, again, a smart move, not really a loss.

Signing Trouba to any deal outside of arbitration would have been nice, but we all know, he will be traded sooner than later, or sign here long term.  Either outcome is going to be just fine, and management is ready for either.  If we need to trade him, we will extend Myers.  And our D will be fine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 03, 2018, 12:33:50 AM
I'm not having trouble with anything. The Jets attempted to sign Stastny. They didn't let him walk. "they felt this was not in the team's best interest" is blatantly false.

In addition to this, they also had a player go to arbitration


Ya you are.

From the beginning it been about draft and develop. Doing this you can only go after FAs to a point. Then you need to decide on how you want to go.

The Jets offered Stash what they were willing to pay... he didnt take it and they will put money on their drafted players.

Are they a worse team?  We dont know that. With these young guys coming in they could even be better

So betting on not going and getting a FA could mean we had a great offseason    ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 03, 2018, 08:17:43 PM



Scott Billeck @ScottBilleck

Patrik Laine on Vancouver?s decision to ban video games on the road: ?They need something to blame after last year.? #NHLJets



randy turner @randyturner15

UPDATE: According to sources, #NHLJets Laine was misquoted when he said the Canucks weren't any good last year because they played too much Fortnite. In fact, he meant the Canucks were no good because they only won every fortnight. Apologies for the confusion.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 04, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
Tonight's lineup vs. the Blues:

Connor - Scheifele - Wheeler
Perreault - Little - Laine
Copp - Lowry - Tanev
Vesalainen - Roslovic - Ehlers

Morrissey - Trouba
Chiarot - Byfuglien
Morrow - Myers

Hellebuyck


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 04, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
Would William Nylander be a good fit with this team?

Nylander and a first for Trouba... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 04, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
Would William Nylander be a good fit with this team?

Nylander and a first for Trouba... 

No. Just no.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 04, 2018, 08:49:29 PM
Would William Nylander be a good fit with this team?

Nylander and a first for Trouba... 

Wouldn't work. 

We would need D back.

We can't afford another big upcoming contract in our forward group. We're going to have trouble keeping our own guys.

You're overvaluing Trouba.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 05, 2018, 02:29:37 AM
Really nice victory ....... HellB, huge saves out of his 41, was very solid & the team had speed & finished when given the chances.

Surprise for me ........  the line of Roslovic, Ehlers & Vesa each played 10 minutes or less tonight.  Also ...... Morrissey was on the ice more than Buff.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 05, 2018, 02:39:49 AM
3 goals in 1:44 was incredible...wanted the shutout for Helly so bad...late almost power play goal ruined it...

good start for sure!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 05, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Awesome game last night! Would've been nice to see Hellebuyck get the shutout.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 05, 2018, 04:32:07 PM
Awesome game last night! Would've been nice to see Hellebuyck get the shutout.

Yeah, sucks to lose it right at the end of the game.

But a .974 is a great start to the year and should shut down those who weren't convinced Helle could repeat last year's performance.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on October 05, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
But a .974 is a great start to the year and should shut down those who weren't convinced Helle could repeat last year's performance.

If his GAA is at or above .950 in December then I'd agree with you, but one game does not a season make. I must say though that he really seemed on yesterday and I hope that continues.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 05, 2018, 06:32:23 PM
I onl got to see the first period. Any thoughts if Ves is gonna stay up? Is this a legit trial or are we just trying to maximize pro experience? The period is 9 games IIRC.

Also, what?s up with Ehlers on the 4th line?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 05, 2018, 06:40:52 PM
I onl got to see the first period. Any thoughts if Ves is gonna stay up? Is this a legit trial or are we just trying to maximize pro experience? The period is 9 games IIRC.

Also, what?s up with Ehlers on the 4th line?

Didn't really notice him until the last 5 minutes of the game or so. Didn't get a ton of ice time.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on October 05, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
Didn't really notice him until the last 5 minutes of the game or so. Didn't get a ton of ice time.

Just over 10 minutes for the game. Maybe that was down because of the penalties we took?

As for him being on the 4th line at the end of the game, Beyak mentioned that it was possibly to get him more ice time. Whether that's true or not...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 06, 2018, 01:21:02 AM
I onl got to see the first period. Any thoughts if Ves is gonna stay up? Is this a legit trial or are we just trying to maximize pro experience? The period is 9 games IIRC.

Also, what?s up with Ehlers on the 4th line?

He might be one of them young guys you have to play right away to see how he reacts to the NHL.

Some guys need time and others get it. He might just be ready.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 06, 2018, 12:43:54 PM
Wouldn't work. 

We would need D back.

We can't afford another big upcoming contract in our forward group. We're going to have trouble keeping our own guys.

You're overvaluing Trouba.

Then you move a forward for a D-man...  although I might suggest we are deep enough on D to go with what we have, without Trouba...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on October 06, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
@BrianMunzTSN

No Laine or Little as #NHLJets practice in Dallas:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Lemieux-Perreault-Dano
Copp-Lowry-Tanev
Vesalainen-Roslovic-Ehlers

Morrissey-Trouba
Chiarot-Byfuglien
Morrow-Myers
Kulikov

Hellebuyck
Brossoit



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 06, 2018, 01:04:33 PM
Then you move a forward for a D-man...  although I might suggest we are deep enough on D to go with what we have, without Trouba...

Then you're overvaluing the rest of our D as well, lol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 06, 2018, 05:56:46 PM
Then you're overvaluing the rest of our D as well, lol.

What else is new.

Nylander for Trouba would be a silly trade. If Trouba does get moved, it'll be for another blue liner of ideally equal quality.

The Jets don't need another winger, anyway. And certainly not one holding out for what's rumoured to be $8M per season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 06, 2018, 11:21:44 PM
@BrianMunzTSN

No Laine or Little as #NHLJets practice in Dallas:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Lemieux-Perreault-Dano
Copp-Lowry-Tanev
Vesalainen-Roslovic-Ehlers

Morrissey-Trouba
Chiarot-Byfuglien
Morrow-Myers
Kulikov

Hellebuyck
Brossoit






Crap


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 07, 2018, 01:43:34 AM



Crap
what are you Scottish?

The game was classic FF⏭ through. Saved about hours of my life not having to watch that crap.

I heard Myers Little Wheeler were particularly horriable. Maybe a good game to have early in the season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 07, 2018, 04:36:26 PM
Dallas certainly took it to the Jets on the P.P. & scored 3 goals.  Our passive defensive approach allowed chance, after chance, after really good chance.
Also, again a game where our faceoff wins were extremely low vs the opposition ....................... just 80 more games to go.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lemieux in for Vesal & Kulikov for Morrow next game ......... just a feeling.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 07, 2018, 05:35:21 PM
So, looks like we're a .500 team... at least so far ;)

Beats where we were this time last year, though...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 09, 2018, 12:11:40 PM
Discipline and attention to detail were non-existent on Saturday and the Jets paid for it. That Stars' top line is absolutely lethal.

Home opener tonight! ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 09, 2018, 01:13:46 PM
Little Laine Ehlers tonight...  and Perrault, Roslovic, Vesa... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 09, 2018, 06:18:59 PM
apparently Trouba missed yesterday's practise, as did Lowry, but also he did not skate with the club this morning ........... Malaise ???? ................... lol

Kings are solid but elderly in comparison to the Jets overall youth ......... hopefully our skill & speed, fly Ehlers fly, will rule the day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 09, 2018, 06:27:32 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, Maurice reiterated Trouba will play tonight.

No Quick in net for the Kings, so Campbell get the start. Jets need to take advantage of that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 09, 2018, 09:43:34 PM
Per Ken Wiebe on Twitter, Maurice reiterated Trouba will play tonight.

No Quick in net for the Kings, so Campbell get the start. Jets need to take advantage of that.

Yeah Touba Touba Touba


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 09, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
Oh, great. Kovalchuk pots his first in his NHL return against the Jets. :-\


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 10, 2018, 12:34:14 AM
Oh, great. Kovalchuk pots his first in his NHL return against the Jets. :-\

No worries. Scheifele and Connor have already taken care of it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 10, 2018, 12:54:59 AM
Jets look pretty good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 10, 2018, 01:00:59 AM
No worries. Scheifele and Connor have already taken care of it.

Two beauty goes but I still don't like it. :P


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 10, 2018, 02:39:06 AM
All central teams lose tonight except Jets. Yeah!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 12, 2018, 01:13:10 AM
Awfully one-sided officiating in tonight?s game. Jets deserved many of those penalties but Nashville has hardly played clean. Jets deserve the win solely on their penalty killing and Hellebuyck?s play. Unreal.

I didn?t think I could hate the preds more than I did at the end of the series in May, but after tonight?s game a whole other level of hatred has appeared.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on October 12, 2018, 02:34:34 AM
Agree on the hatred thing...I absolutely despise that team like no other!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 12, 2018, 12:22:36 PM
Man, was that ugly last night. Just ugly.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 12, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Wildly entertaining 1st period, as both teams finished checks, went up & down & the goalies were solid .........  then in the 2nd it just got awfully lopsided
Over the course of the game the Jets had 14 penalties to the Preds 5 .......... with the most amazing PK performance by the Jets coming in the 2nd.
Normal circumstances wouldn't have tested the Jets as a PK team as much but last night HellB was awesome & Morrissey seemed to never come off.
Despite the loss, the Jet's PK system was flawless in their objective to not be scored on .......... that warrants a YAHOOS !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 14, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
Dano is on waivers. I?d be shocked if he wasn?t picked up by another team. Brossoit is in net tonight, and Byfuglien is out, Kulikov in. Carolina hasn?t lost in regulation yet. The Jets will be in tough to pull out a win.  But, staying out of the penalty box will be a good start. Let?s make our arena a dominant place once again Jets!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 14, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Hopefully the refs don?t puke on this game as well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 15, 2018, 12:05:03 AM
Jets can't score...need one to get going


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 15, 2018, 12:07:44 AM
Jets can't score...need one to get going

There it is!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 15, 2018, 12:39:27 AM
Great pass from Morrissey & nice finish by Little Big Man ............ YAHOOS !!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 15, 2018, 12:47:19 AM
SUPER finish & Victory ......... Brossoit was our super star tonight


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 15, 2018, 12:48:31 AM
Brossoit was excellent tonight. Great goal by Little. He needed that. Two apples for Morrissey!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 15, 2018, 01:10:58 AM
Brossoit was excellent tonight. Great goal by Little. He needed that. Two apples for Morrissey!

I agree on Brossoit. We have a solid back up for Helly. Not the greatest game from the Jets but a win?s a win and the Hurricanes are no free spot either. Clean things up and hopefully we can get a nice win streak going!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 15, 2018, 07:09:35 PM
So Dano has been picked up by the Avalanche ......... hope his career gets a boost.

1290 Radio, Westwood specifically, said the Corsi numbers on the Kulikov/Chiarot combo were pathetic. Supposedly while together the Jets had 2 shots for, 23 against.
Some other numbers gave Kulikov a 1% score while Chiarot was at 4. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 15, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Paul Stastny out two months with a lower-body injury (sort of Jets news considering we tried so hard to sign him).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 16, 2018, 01:35:58 AM
So.....   Anyone hate the unies?

I thought they looked good.   But it did take me a bit to get use to. More then i thought.

Clean and sharp and not all kinda ugly.

Brossoit looked really good....... the team looks pretty strong all together. The longer and harder the games get they have played harder and not let up.

 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 16, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
Paul Stastny out two months with a lower-body injury (sort of Jets news considering we tried so hard to sign him).

Nah. He gone. :P


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on October 16, 2018, 12:49:23 PM
So.....   Anyone hate the unies?

I thought they looked good.   But it did take me a bit to get use to. More then i thought.

Clean and sharp and not all kinda ugly.

Brossoit looked really good....... the team looks pretty strong all together. The longer and harder the games get they have played harder and not let up.

 

They do look better with numbers on them but I'm still not a fan of them.  They are too plain and I really don't like the logo.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 16, 2018, 01:21:30 PM
TheScore has the Jets ranked 19th right now, with a hard schedule to start and a > .500 record. (FTR, yes I know that power rankings don't matter).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 17, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
TheScore has the Jets ranked 19th right now, with a hard schedule to start and a > .500 record. (FTR, yes I know that power rankings don't matter).

Wait n see.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 17, 2018, 01:26:00 AM
Holy crow.  It was 4-1, I go do a few things and it's now 4-4???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 17, 2018, 01:38:06 AM
Holy crow.  It was 4-1, I go do a few things and it's now 4-4???

Well that's embarrassing...we miss Buffy and ehlers needs to be better in OT



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 17, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
Just fell apart in the third. They can?t get in the habit of doing that. Maybe some of the young ones are expecting things to be a bit easier based on how the team did last year? They have to keep working hard and hungry. Rebound game on Thursday!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 17, 2018, 12:02:52 PM
What an embarrassing third period.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on October 17, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
What an embarrassing third period.

Yup. It's like the 2013 Jets came out of the room after the 2nd intermission.

I'll also add that Oilers fans better pray that McDavid stays healthy, because otherwise they're screwed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 17, 2018, 01:36:26 PM
The worst part is that I missed the first two periods. Finished up what I was doing and turned it on for the start of the third, pleased as all heck to see we were up 4-1. Was excited to watch them close it out.

Good grief that was embarrassing. I'm still furious this morning! I hope they play angry against Vancouver.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on October 17, 2018, 01:57:05 PM
I'm starting to believe we aren't as good as everyone thinks we are


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 17, 2018, 02:21:57 PM
I'm starting to believe we aren't as good as everyone thinks we are

Pump the brakes a bit. It's been 6 games and we haven't been bad. We weren't going to go 82-0.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 17, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
Pump the brakes a bit. It's been 6 games and we haven't been bad. We weren't going to go 82-0.

This. Gotta love all the doomsayers losing their minds over not even 1/12th of the season being played; the team is 3-2-1, not 0-6. Pump the brakes is a perfect response.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 17, 2018, 08:51:49 PM
This. Gotta love all the doomsayers losing their minds over not even 1/12th of the season being played; the team is 3-2-1, not 0-6. Pump the brakes is a perfect response.
true but they are not playing  no where near the way they need to come close to last years regilar season results.

Defensive and or the offensive for check is lacking.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2018, 12:47:15 AM
This. Gotta love all the doomsayers losing their minds over not even 1/12th of the season being played; the team is 3-2-1, not 0-6. Pump the brakes is a perfect response.

Well, we are only on track for 96 points so far... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 18, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
true but they are not playing  no where near the way they need to come close to last years regilar season results.

Defensive and or the offensive for check is lacking.

Some people talk like last year was an immaculate example of hockey. It was not. The Jets had plenty of losing streaks and periods where we looked terrible. It took the whole season to get 114 points and second in the league. It's going to take another. That said, I would like to see us pull up our slacks and start dominating more. But, I wouldn't get down on what's happened so far.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2018, 12:32:02 PM
After 6 games last year, we were 3-3, so we are 1 point ahead of last year so far...  9 games in we were 4-3-2, so we can easily keep pace with that....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2018, 12:44:11 PM
true but they are not playing  no where near the way they need to come close to last years regilar season results.

Defensive and or the offensive for check is lacking.

Again: it's been 6 games. That's less than 1/12 of the season. Relax.

Well, we are only on track for 96 points so far... 

So were the Nashville Predators last season after their first six games (3-2-1).

It's a marathon, not a sprint.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 19, 2018, 01:47:38 AM
Again: it's been 6 games. That's less than 1/12 of the season. Relax.

So were the Nashville Predators last season after their first six games (3-2-1).

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Agree.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Knocker42 on October 19, 2018, 11:37:29 AM
I suspect he may still feel the pull from BC.  Interesting that he was at his first Jets game last night and they were playing Vancouver.  I suppose he might only go there on a bye week but.....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 19, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
I suspect he may still feel the pull from BC.  Interesting that he was at his first Jets game last night and they were playing Vancouver.  I suppose he might only go there on a bye week but.....

You talking about Bighill?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 19, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Ves sent to the Moose.

It was good to give him the "reps" with the big boys but ultimately I always thought it was best for him to get a season in the A. I wonder if his send-down confirms he will be with the Moose or if it means he gets to exercise his clause to go play in Finland. Hoping it's the former.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 19, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
Ves sent to the Moose.

It was good to give him the "reps" with the big boys but ultimately I always thought it was best for him to get a season in the A. I wonder if his send-down confirms he will be with the Moose or if it means he gets to exercise his clause to go play in Finland. Hoping it's the former.

Hopefully he sticks around, yeah.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 21, 2018, 12:18:42 AM
Entertaining hockey & a nice win ....... thanks Brossoit for another terrific effort ...... Arizona sure had our, own end, defense in trouble often.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 21, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
Friday night game, with Ves playing, and they got 2700 in attendance...  well, he got an assist...  so there is that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 22, 2018, 11:28:08 PM
Jets need to get their first periods sorted out. 

Can weather it against lower echelon teams like Arizona but St. Louis may be a different story. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 23, 2018, 02:05:14 AM
Jets need to get their first periods sorted out. 

Can weather it against lower echelon teams like Arizona but St. Louis may be a different story. 

Lots to learn yet and get back into it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on October 23, 2018, 09:54:21 AM
I was exhausted yesterday and went to bed when the Jets were down 3-1. Was surprised to see that they had won the game in OT! In my opinion, they haven?t played a solid 60 minutes yet of their A game in the 9 games so far. They are seriously playing with fire. If and when they figure things out though, look out! They?ll go on a tear.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 23, 2018, 12:11:31 PM
Great comeback and win! Makes me forget about when Edmonton did that to us last week!  :P


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on October 23, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Not including the preseason I'm sure its been 25 games since Ehlers has scored a goal! :o
PauMau came up with some interesting line combinations in the 3rd last night.
I'm guessing Tanev gets a game or 2 for that hit on O'Reily. If so I guess we'll see Petan draw into the line up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 23, 2018, 02:37:38 PM
Pretty sure once they extend Myers, everything will come together.  I think it is the uncertainty of his return that is holding this team back...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 23, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
By no means a pretty win but a gritty, hard-fought one. That tying goal by Little summed up the game, IMO.

This team sure knows how to show up in the final frame but that better not become a habit.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 23, 2018, 03:15:43 PM
Pretty sure once they extend Myers, everything will come together.  I think it is the uncertainty of his return that is holding this team back...

You think that not knowing who will be on the team next year is psyching out players this year?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 23, 2018, 08:25:46 PM
You think that not knowing who will be on the team next year is psyching out players this year?

Sorry, forgot the ;)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 23, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Not including the preseason I'm sure its been 25 games since Ehlers has scored a goal! :o
PauMau came up with some interesting line combinations in the 3rd last night.
I'm guessing Tanev gets a game or 2 for that hit on O'Reily. If so I guess we'll see Petan draw into the line up.
it is 40 plus including playoffs but not pre season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 24, 2018, 12:10:54 AM
First period for sure was a nasty one to survive ..... after that the momentum was picked up to a smothering & rewarding OT win.
WOW ...... did PM panic after the 1st ??? .......... total ice time for Lemieux 1:52 & Roslovic 3:03 ...... did these 2 even shower after the game.
Meanwhile Morrow only played 6:17 & I can't help thinking that Kulikov will play vs the Leafs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 24, 2018, 12:21:15 PM
First period for sure was a nasty one to survive ..... after that the momentum was picked up to a smothering & rewarding OT win.
WOW ...... did PM panic after the 1st ??? .......... total ice time for Lemieux 1:52 & Roslovic 3:03 ...... did these 2 even shower after the game.
Meanwhile Morrow only played 6:17 & I can't help thinking that Kulikov will play vs the Leafs.

Makes sense to me. We were down and needed to keep our fast and skilled scorers on the ice to play catch up. It worked.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 24, 2018, 12:28:02 PM
Makes sense to me. We were down and needed to keep our fast and skilled scorers on the ice to play catch up. It worked.

Exactly. Maurice shuffled his roster and those adjustments paid off.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 24, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Question:

Is Ehlers becoming the new Burmistrov?  Was he rushed into the league?  Outstanding speed and stick talent, but he just does not seem to be meshing at all.  Things got a little better when they told him to just shoot the darn puck, but now they have reverted...

We were all excited when he signed his deal, did that kill his drive?  Can we have that contract languishing on the 4th line?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 24, 2018, 03:51:57 PM
Ehlers is a winger. He was drafted in 2014 and didn't see NHL action until the 2015-16 season and played a full season in junior after being drafted. Burmistrov is a centre. He was drafted in 2010 and played in the NHL immediately after. The latter was rushed. Nobody who watches this team would ever make such an absurd comparison.

And no, his new contract didn't kill his drive. He signed his new deal prior to the 2017-18 season and then went on to score 29 goals (a career high) and amass 60 points over those 82 games. He did struggle in the playoffs to find the back of the net and the reason for that is anyone's guess. That being said, He still plays with his best effort when he's on the ice.

Young players go through droughts and struggles. Yes, it's troubling he's off to a bad start but I think that's due to the line on which he plays more than some individual issue. There's very little chemistry on that second line and I think Maurice needs to change that for benefit of all three players on it. Offensively and defensively, the second line has been liability so far this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 24, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Sounds like Laine is on a line with Scheif and Wheels...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
This team really needs to start playing its game in the first 40 mins.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 25, 2018, 12:34:26 PM
This team really needs to start playing its game in the first 40 mins.

It doesn't look like we skate for the first 35-40 minutes of a hockey game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 25, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
This is team is not the jets of yesteryear. Yet and hopefully it returns.

Trouba is a turnover machine. Liane looks like a lonely kid in a strange city. Hellebuyck looks slow in his movements. Buff doesn?t hit a soul. Wheeler looks hurt out there to me as well.

Western final hangover if you will?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
It doesn't look like we skate for the first 35-40 minutes of a hockey game.

They sure don't. They look totally uninterested for the first two periods.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on October 25, 2018, 03:41:21 PM
Hellebucyk let a few easy ones in. I think they play the backup they win. Getting beat on the short side, last year he let one easy one in a game, cant do that too often. Both goalies weren't great. The Jets need to play mopre speed. Watching Vancouver Las Vegas they played a more up tempo game. Jets got to move the puck. Played not too bad missed the first, thought Jets held their own ,


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 25, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
The 3rd period seems to be the time we fans get to jump out of our seats & that's the way it should be ....... last night was quite the example with a bad finish. 
 ........ but there sure is inconsistency in the first 2 periods for the most part ........... such is sports & the effort to play against other talented players.

For his last 2 games I feel HellB has been beaten on plays where he is much, much too deep in his crease.   Almost a mirror image of Lundqvist's style
PM again ....... showed little faith in Perrault, Roslovic & Lemieux as a line. 
Perrault did get some extra time late & I hope he replaces Copp on Lowry's line ASAP.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 25, 2018, 06:28:19 PM
Here's a listing, by Frank Seravalli, TSN's Senior Hockey Reporter on his 10 Worst Active Free Agent signings & Kulikov is one of the players

https://www.tsn.ca/beleskey-among-10-worst-active-free-agent-signings-1.1197995

Really disliked the original Chevy decision & can't help but agree with his being listed


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 25, 2018, 07:30:36 PM
Using a player's tenure/struggles on a garbage team is pretty silly, IMO. What was the alternative when Kulikov was signed back on July 1, 2017? The Jets needed a LH defenseman to round out the blue line and he signed literally the same deal as his prior one with the Panthers. I also don't know how he "struggled mightily" in his 62 regular season games played in 2017-18. Prior to his injury, he seemed to fit his role with the team as expected (a few goals and a handful of assists with a positive +/- and added depth on the left side). Fortunately, the team didn't miss his presence late last season and in the playoffs.

As far as Niku goes, is he ready for a full-time gig in the NHL? He's getting top minutes with the Moose, which he wouldn't be getting with the big club. It's a similar development method to what we saw with Morrissey. He'd also be contending with Chiarot and Morrow, and the press box is no place for a young prospect with his potential. Saying Kulikov is a roadblock for him seems spurious at best.

Kulikov's cap hit is a detractor and moving him seems next to impossible, based purely on his injuries. If his health remains an issue, which seems likely, I could see the team buying him out at the end of the season (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15)) as a worst case scenario.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 25, 2018, 07:52:15 PM
Using a player's tenure/struggles on a garbage team is pretty silly, IMO. What was the alternative when Kulikov was signed back on July 1, 2017? The Jets needed a LH defenseman to round out the blue line and he signed literally the same deal as his prior one with the Panthers. I also don't know how he "struggled mightily" in his 62 regular season games played in 2017-18. Prior to his injury, he seemed to fit his role with the team as expected (a few goals and a handful of assists with a positive +/- and added depth on the left side). Fortunately, the team didn't miss his presence late last season and in the playoffs.

As far as Niku goes, is he ready for a full-time gig in the NHL? He's getting top minutes with the Moose, which he wouldn't be getting with the big club. It's a similar development method to what we saw with Morrissey. He'd also be contending with Chiarot and Morrow, and the press box is no place for a young prospect with his potential. Saying Kulikov is a roadblock for him seems spurious at best.

Kulikov's cap hit is a detractor and moving him seems next to impossible, based purely on his injuries. If his health remains an issue, which seems likely, I could see the team buying him out at the end of the season (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15)) as a worst case scenario.

Agree with all this. Although, I thought Kulikov's contract was over this season. If that were the case, it would be nice to have him as insurance this year and then let him walk in the summer, with Niku sliding in next season after a good year of seasoning with the Moose. It's too bad we have an extra year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 25, 2018, 09:06:57 PM
Any news on the Myers extension?  Guess they have to wait to see what they are doing with Kulikov first...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 26, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
Using a player's tenure/struggles on a garbage team is pretty silly, IMO. What was the alternative when Kulikov was signed back on July 1, 2017? The Jets needed a LH defenseman to round out the blue line and he signed literally the same deal as his prior one with the Panthers. I also don't know how he "struggled mightily" in his 62 regular season games played in 2017-18. Prior to his injury, he seemed to fit his role with the team as expected (a few goals and a handful of assists with a positive +/- and added depth on the left side). Fortunately, the team didn't miss his presence late last season and in the playoffs.

As far as Niku goes, is he ready for a full-time gig in the NHL? He's getting top minutes with the Moose, which he wouldn't be getting with the big club. It's a similar development method to what we saw with Morrissey. He'd also be contending with Chiarot and Morrow, and the press box is no place for a young prospect with his potential. Saying Kulikov is a roadblock for him seems spurious at best.

Kulikov's cap hit is a detractor and moving him seems next to impossible, based purely on his injuries. If his health remains an issue, which seems likely, I could see the team buying him out at the end of the season (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/dmitry-kulikov/2019-06-15)) as a worst case scenario.

I thought Kulikov was good for us when he was playing regularly last year. Not sure what all the fuss is about now. Injury concerns are valid but 60+ games a year isn't horrible.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 26, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
I thought Kulikov was good for us when he was playing regularly last year. Not sure what all the fuss is about now. Injury concerns are valid but 60+ games a year isn't horrible.

Couldn't agree more. Seravalli seemed to dig deep on that one, particularly the comments on roadblocking Niku. Pretty preposterous reaching, IMO.

I think Demers' contract is worse, both for the team that offered it and retained salary (Panthers) and the current one (Coyotes).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on October 26, 2018, 08:25:25 PM
Couldn't agree more. Seravalli seemed to dig deep on that one, particularly the comments on roadblocking Niku. Pretty preposterous reaching, IMO.

I think Demers' contract is worse, both for the team that offered it and retained salary (Panthers) and the current one (Coyotes).

Demers is with the Coyotes now?? I wasn't a fan of the Demers for Dillon trade when it happened, but Dillon seems to have surpassed Demers the past couple of seasons.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 27, 2018, 04:37:18 AM
Demers is with the Coyotes now?? I wasn't a fan of the Demers for Dillon trade when it happened, but Dillon seems to have surpassed Demers the past couple of seasons.

For well over a year. He was traded last September, IIRC.

Decent win in Motown tonight. The slow starts are still a major concern, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 27, 2018, 04:53:28 AM
Brossoit had another really terrific game .......... Howard was real strong & the Jets worked very hard in the last 2 periods for a BIG WIN - YAHOOS !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2018, 03:25:10 PM
So, when does the Hellebuyck / Brossoit debate begin? 

Definitely a lot more confident in our situation between the pipes, with Comrie getting lots of action in the A as well.  Perfect scenario.  And the price for Brossoit?  So cheap for what we are getting so far.  He's probably outplayed Mason's entire year here after 1/8th of the season, at a fraction of the price...

Comrie going to go to Finland as the emergency backup...  the NHL allows that because there isn't an Emergency Backup available over there...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on October 27, 2018, 03:32:45 PM
So, when does the Hellebuyck / Brossoit debate begin? 

Definitely a lot more confident in our situation between the pipes, with Comrie getting lots of action in the A as well.  Perfect scenario.  And the price for Brossoit?  So cheap for what we are getting so far.  He's probably outplayed Mason's entire year here after 1/8th of the season, at a fraction of the price...

Comrie going to go to Finland as the emergency backup...  the NHL allows that because there isn't an Emergency Backup available over there...


It doesent.....  why would it?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2018, 03:42:24 PM

It doesent.....  why would it?

It was a joke, as evidenced if you read through the post.  D'oh.


Now, how about the debate about Laine on the 1st powerplay and the 4th line.  Not joking.  Have to see who plays where tonight, but it sounds like Schwhehlers is a line now...  Little Connor Perrault was solid, TLC ain't changing ever except for injury.  How about Roslovic, Laine and V?  Have to have the top D pair behind them...



Vesalienen and Niku should be recalled for the trip to Finland for sure... there is an open roster spot for V, maybe put Kulikov on IR for the trip and save wear and tear on him?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on October 28, 2018, 12:49:48 AM
Omg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on October 28, 2018, 12:49:51 AM
Jets choke in TO

Trip to Finland might be at a good time.  There is something not right with them - maybe can't handle the pressure of being a good team...whatever it is they need to play a full game and get it sorted it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on October 28, 2018, 01:36:24 AM
Omg.

x2


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on October 28, 2018, 01:47:14 AM
up 2-1 and lose in regulation.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on October 28, 2018, 02:02:49 AM
Poolman is going to Finland to fill the roster spot.

Real shocking end ........ such is the pain of sports at times


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on October 28, 2018, 04:24:26 PM
Odd they didn't take V.  I guess tehy needed an additional D more...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 29, 2018, 12:36:36 AM
Omg.

What a garbage finish last night. Still can't play a full 60.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 01, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Puck drop in 2 hours in Finland.  Anyone the least bit excited in a weekday afternoon game facing the 2-9 Panthers?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 01, 2018, 03:59:45 PM
Puck drop in 2 hours in Finland.  Anyone the least bit excited in a weekday afternoon game facing the 2-9 Panthers?

I am, and plan to watch the game on pvr when I get home.

Just ran to Starbucks to get a coffee and listened to Munzy interview Teemu. It just cannot be overstated what a complete class act that guy is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 01, 2018, 07:51:30 PM
HATTY for LAINE!!

Home cooking!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 01, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
So, there is a run of freed monkeys now...  have to watch out when I go to IKEA...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 02, 2018, 12:20:58 AM
The Panthers certainly had their chances & HellB was TERRIFIC !!!   Panthers were so dominant at times in the first that I was thinking it was going to be a bad day.
Really happy for Laine & WOW did he ever release with Zip for that second goal. 
The fans at the arena definitely got their $$'s worth as it was a very entertaining game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2018, 02:45:43 PM
HATTY for LAINE!!

Home cooking!!

Hell of a game for #29!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 02, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
Should have given Brossant (sp?) a shot in goal for game 2...helly hasn't been spectacular...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2018, 07:42:36 PM
And then a complete stinker after the first period. Lemieux with the dumbest penalty I've seen in a while.

PK has been complete garbage today.

Should have given Brossant (sp?) a shot in goal for game 2...helly hasn't been spectacular...

He's getting no help today. Look no further than the PK. Brossoit wouldn't have made a difference.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 02, 2018, 07:47:51 PM
And then a complete stinker after the first period. Lemieux with the dumbest penalty I've seen in a while.

PK has been complete garbage today.

He's getting no help today. Look no further than the PK. Brossoit wouldn't have made a difference.


he isn't the reason we lost but perhaps the back to back and the travel played a factor...there were a couple he should have had IMO


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 02, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
he isn't the reason we lost but perhaps the back to back and the travel played a factor...there were a couple he should have had IMO

What goals? Three PPGs allowed in which the PK as a whole was garbage, and then the fourth after Myers coughed it up and Wheeler couldn't be bothered to back-check.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 02, 2018, 08:40:43 PM
What goals? Three PPGs allowed in which the PK as a whole was garbage, and then the fourth after Myers coughed it up and Wheeler couldn't be bothered to back-check.

For sure the one glove side - went right over it ...will need to see them again (or not).  Last year helly gets some of those. 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 03, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
For sure the one glove side - went right over it ...will need to see them again (or not).  Last year helly gets some of those. 

Maybe. The Jets are not playing sound defensive hockey in their own end this season, something at which they excelled last season. Odd man rushes, poor coverage and positioning... They need to be better if they want to repeat the success of 2017-18.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 05, 2018, 09:36:06 PM
Lemieux gets two games for his stupid hit in Finland.  Gotta think PM tuned him up pretty good too


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 05, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
2 games... Petan gets a chance to freeze Lemeiux out of the lineup...  I can see Lemeuix getting traded sometime in the near future...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 05, 2018, 11:41:58 PM
Your thinking trade him ......... due to this idiotic hit or the hit plus his development as an NHL'er


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 06, 2018, 01:03:59 PM
Your thinking trade him ......... due to this idiotic hit or the hit plus his development as an NHL'er

And the logjam we have in the development ranks...  his development isn't keeping pace with others...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 06, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
2 games... Petan gets a chance to freeze Lemeiux out of the lineup...  I can see Lemeuix getting traded sometime in the near future...

I'd rather see 4th line Laine traded


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
I'd rather see 4th line Laine traded

Yeah, that makes sense.

I guess you didn't watch either of the two games played in Finland.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 06, 2018, 03:17:19 PM
Yeah, that makes sense.

I guess you didn't watch either of the two games played in Finland.

No but I certainly saw this before they left to Finland

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/9rzspm/you_gotta_move_byfuglien_yells_at_laine_to_stop/


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
No but I certainly saw this before they left to Finland

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/9rzspm/you_gotta_move_byfuglien_yells_at_laine_to_stop/

Yeah, so you didn't see him get moved to the third line or his four goals in two games. Ya know, what's happened since then.

But, yeah... Trading Laine is reasonable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 06, 2018, 03:46:07 PM
Yeah, so you didn't see him get moved to the third line or his four goals in two games. Ya know, what's happened since then.

But, yeah... Trading Laine is reasonable.

Oh great so he's willing to put in some effort when his family and friends are in the crowd?  Good thing the whole season is played in Finland...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 03:53:15 PM
Oh great so he's willing to put in some effort when his family and friends are in the crowd?  Good thing the whole season is played in Finland...

What a stupid comment. Almost as stupid as saying Laine should be traded.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 06, 2018, 07:32:10 PM
And the logjam we have in the development ranks...  his development isn't keeping pace with others...

Not sure whose play you compared his development to .......... Lemieux is not on the ice due to his Laine shot or Ehlers speed.
Present Jets suck at 5on5 & PM hardly gives Lemieux any ice time. Copp & Tanev have each a single goal but play about 2 & a 1/2 times the ATOI
Laine has only a single goal that is not on the PP. & that was into an empty net.  Ehlers has 2 goals in about his last 45 games.
Wheeler has only 2 goals of which 1 was into an empty net.          I would say a lot have been behind or at par in developing & that includes those on the Moose. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2018, 08:13:19 PM
Not sure whose play you compared his development to .......... Lemieux is not on the ice due to his Laine shot or Ehlers speed.
Present Jets suck at 5on5 & PM hardly gives Lemieux any ice time. Copp & Tanev have each a single goal but play about 2 & a 1/2 times the ATOI
Laine has only a single goal that is not on the PP. & that was into an empty net.  Ehlers has 2 goals in about his last 45 games.
Wheeler has only 2 goals of which 1 was into an empty net.          I would say a lot have been behind or at par in developing & that includes those on the Moose. 

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with player development. The team as a whole this season outside of a select few aren't playing up to expectations set last season but I don't think that's a development issue, per se. The Jets are simply not playing good hockey on a consistent basis right now.

As for Lemieux, I could see him getting sent down after serving his suspension. He basically cost the Jets that second game in Finland.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 06, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with player development. The team as a whole this season outside of a select few aren't playing up to expectations set last season but I don't think that's a development issue, per se. The Jets are simply not playing good hockey on a consistent basis right now.

As for Lemieux, I could see him getting sent down after serving his suspension. He basically cost the Jets that second game in Finland.

I'd be happy to give Petan his chance. He missed out on his big opportunity to crack the Jets once and for all by the tragic passing of his father during TC. Let's hope he takes this and runs with it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on November 06, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
I'd be happy to give Petan his chance. He missed out on his big opportunity to crack the Jets once and for all by the tragic passing of his father during TC. Let's hope he takes this and runs with it.

I mean, he's coming up on 100 games in the NHL. He's had more than a fair chance to make the team outright over the past 4 years, he just hasn't ever done anything to justify his spot.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 06, 2018, 10:03:23 PM
I mean, he's coming up on 100 games in the NHL. He's had more than a fair chance to make the team outright over the past 4 years, he just hasn't ever done anything to justify his spot.
I agree don?t understand why some have such a love for the guy? Maybe because he is short and they can relate. lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 07, 2018, 03:04:48 PM
I mean, he's coming up on 100 games in the NHL. He's had more than a fair chance to make the team outright over the past 4 years, he just hasn't ever done anything to justify his spot.

I was hoping for his sake that he is a late bloomer and that perhaps this year he reached the stage of development to crack the roster. Wishful thinking, yeah, but he had a high ceiling going in and at this point, I think it is the tipping point: either he's ready or he's not. It's terrible about his father and how that changed what I think was a pivotal TC in his career and the Jets' prospect pool.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 07, 2018, 08:28:31 PM
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with this but the argument with Petan is that he's a smaller, offensive-minded player who needs offensively skilled guys to play with. He's not a good fit for our third line and up until fairly recently, the fourth line didn't have a lot of offensive players. That's changed a little bit lately. You always want to put players in the best position to be successful and unfortunately for Petan we've had a hard time doing that because he's not good enough to be a top 6 forward in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 07, 2018, 09:16:33 PM
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with this but the argument with Petan is that he's a smaller, offensive-minded player who needs offensively skilled guys to play with. He's not a good fit for our third line and up until fairly recently, the fourth line didn't have a lot of offensive players. That's changed a little bit lately. You always want to put players in the best position to be successful and unfortunately for Petan we've had a hard time doing that because he's not good enough to be a top 6 forward in Winnipeg.

I think the argument can be made that Petan can be likened to Roslovic, who we are trying to make work in a bottom six role. Not sure what the result of that experiment will be, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 10, 2018, 02:31:33 AM
Great Jet game tonight Wheels WOW what a performance.

Great Karma to get my drink on for the bus ride to Regina tomorrow! Whooop whooop!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on November 10, 2018, 01:15:27 PM
One of the best and most complete games this season! They play like this every game and they?ll be tough to beat. Wheeler continues to drive the team. Wow! Also, I didn?t mind Petan?s game, especially for the amount of games he?s played this season. I would be fine with him staying in the lineup and Lemieux sitting after his suspension is over.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 10, 2018, 03:21:32 PM
Certainly was a crowd pleaser last night ........... it was definitely Wheels up.   The team was flying around with great energy.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
Hell of a game last night! Wheeler was a monster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 11, 2018, 04:26:05 PM
Sami N. recalled by the Jets ......... hope he does well if given an opportunity

Surprise move by Chevy ........... they signed, much travelled in his short career, Logan Shaw on a 1 yr., 2 way contract ........ that's toughness added.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 11, 2018, 04:26:50 PM
Sami N. recalled by the Jets ......... hope he does well if given an opportunity

Surprise move by Chevy ........... they signed, much travelled in his short career, Logan Shaw on a 1 yr., 2 way contract ........ that's toughness added.

They're sending Shaw to the Moose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 11, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
Niku getting the call tells me Kulikov will be out for at least a little while.

I wonder if we see Niku and Morrow rotate.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 11, 2018, 04:54:31 PM
they had stated that Kuli was probably out at least a month ........ Shaw to the Moose makes sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on November 12, 2018, 01:51:04 AM
Coming together 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 12, 2018, 01:51:40 AM
Tonight was a repeat of Friday.

Jets looking like they?ve figured it out.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 13, 2018, 02:06:39 PM
Tonight was a repeat of Friday.

Jets looking like they?ve figured it out.

A few blips aside, they've appeared to have re-discovered what's made them successful the last year or so.

Should be a good test tomorrow against the reigning champs!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 13, 2018, 08:04:18 PM
Quite agree with other comments about Jets seemingly getting their act together.
     BTW:  Wilson for the Caps had his suspension overturned & is eligible to play ....... haven't heard if the sluggo will be in the lineup

*** saw on TSN that Perrault left practise today with an injury ......... nothing against him but he is usually due for games lost each year


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: jets4life on November 15, 2018, 08:17:24 AM
God bless the Jets. They are starting to turn it up a notch. 11-5-1 and once again in the top 5 in the the league.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 15, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Had me a little worried there for a moment, but we seem to be pulling it together.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 15, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
Great win, albeit without Holtby, Oshie and Kuznetsov at the tail of their b2b. Ripe for the picking, and we should have taken advantage, which we did in the final two periods.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
Not the start I was expecting but they found their game in the final 40 minutes and got the win.

Beauty GWG by Chiarot, too. He had a very good game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 15, 2018, 04:20:10 PM
Chiarot with his third goal after scoring 2 all season last year.

Morrissey to get a hearing for the hit on Oshie. I think if he didn't have a bit of history then it would have slid. I'm hoping he doesn't have a target on his back from Player Safety  :-\


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 15, 2018, 04:20:28 PM
Jets survived the 1st period, thanks HellB, then Caps took a few penalties & Jets picked up the beat big time.  WOW did they ever make good chances happen.
Really was a very good team victory

Heard on 1290 Radio that Kristian Vesalainen is expected to be leaving the Moose & playing in the KHL by next week.   Contract is to be with Jokerit.
He had 8 points in 8 games with the Moose. Overseas is a long way away from a call up when injuries, and there will be some, occur.

Morrissey certainly put Oshie to the ice ......... is a suspension on the way ???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 15, 2018, 04:42:46 PM
Watching Hockey Central on SportsNet & they've spent quite a bit of time talking about the Jets, including last nights game.
The 3 fellas, Merrick, Kypreos & Doug MacLean, agree that Morrissey should not be suspended but fined. They feel if the NHL suspends him it opens the hockey play to
many more suspensions when a player goes to the ice.    Other things mentioned including Laine & other Jets ....... not being able to score at even strength.

*** they dug out this fact ......... EYE OPENER ......... Jets are only 29th in 5 on 5 scoring.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 15, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
Watching Hockey Central on SportsNet & they've spent quite a bit of time talking about the Jets, including last nights game.
The 3 fellas, Merrick, Kypreos & Doug MacLean, agree that Morrissey should not be suspended but fined. They feel if the NHL suspends him it opens the hockey play to
many more suspensions when a player goes to the ice.    Other things mentioned including Laine & other Jets ....... not being able to score at even strength.

*** they dug out this fact ......... EYE OPENER ......... Jets are only 29th in 5 on 5 scoring.

Lucky they lead the league on the PP


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 15, 2018, 06:22:33 PM
Watching Hockey Central on SportsNet & they've spent quite a bit of time talking about the Jets, including last nights game.
The 3 fellas, Merrick, Kypreos & Doug MacLean, agree that Morrissey should not be suspended but fined. They feel if the NHL suspends him it opens the hockey play to
many more suspensions when a player goes to the ice.    Other things mentioned including Laine & other Jets ....... not being able to score at even strength.

*** they dug out this fact ......... EYE OPENER ......... Jets are only 29th in 5 on 5 scoring.

Yeah Laine is pretty ******, if i were Maurice I would only play him on the powerplay and that's it


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 15, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
Yeah Laine is pretty ******, if i were Maurice I would only play him on the powerplay and that's it

Yup, just give him PP time until his 5 on 5 numbers improve... ummm... hold it...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Yup, just give him PP time until his 5 on 5 numbers improve... ummm... hold it...

Best to just ignore him and his hateful garbage comments.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 16, 2018, 10:33:31 PM
Laine to start with Connor, what a tremendous skilled hustler, & Little while Copp begins with his buddies Lowry & Tanev ...... Brossoit in the net

Hope Myers reminds us why we traded for him & got rid of Zach Bogosian ........ as parts of Chevy's big trade


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 17, 2018, 03:45:27 PM
Beauty feed from Laine on Connor's goal last night. Unfortunate nobody else could find the back of the net for the Jets. Both goalies were very good last night, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 17, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
Brossoit sure did a great job of giving the Jets a chance to win ......... alas the Sabres earned the win.
 So that is the 6th of the last 7 games the Jets have been outshot .......... stats can be misleading in many games but overall possession & finish keeps good teams winning.
Real team movement by the Sabres had the Jets chasing the puck for too much of the game after the 1st period.
Buffalo stayed out of the penalty box, other than once, causing the Jets to try & succeed at the 5 on 5 game .......... decent compete but only Connor's goal.

Wheels  (2 of his 3 goals into an empty net) has to start scoring for the chances he gets.   His PP assists are wonderful but scoring has to complete his profile.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Old Rusty on November 19, 2018, 07:50:45 PM
Beauty feed from Laine on Connor's goal last night. Unfortunate nobody else could find the back of the net for the Jets. Both goalies were very good last night, though.

Exactly right, great to see Farm boy make use of that deft pass.   


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Old Rusty on November 19, 2018, 07:52:27 PM
Brossoit sure did a great job of giving the Jets a chance to win ......... alas the Sabres earned the win.

Croissant is turning into an amazing backup pickup. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 19, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Ugh, I hate the late starts on weeknights.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 19, 2018, 10:47:17 PM
Croissant is turning into an amazing backup pickup. 

At a ridiculously good price, too.

Ugh, I hate the late starts on weeknights.

Yeah, especially on a Monday. Blegh.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 20, 2018, 03:29:17 AM
Really nice game so far tonight. Offense on display! Laine finally scores 5v5. LOL

Roussel is such a turd. And just put his team further in trouble.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 20, 2018, 01:48:59 PM
Laine with another hatty!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 20, 2018, 08:22:10 PM
Laine with another hatty!

Yep, awesome! Stayed up until 2nd intermission while also flipping between Jets and the historical MNF game. Missed the Jets taking over in the third but happy to have a W in Van.

1 down, 3 to go on the road, and it doesn't get any easier.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 20, 2018, 11:56:06 PM
Yep, awesome! Stayed up until 2nd intermission while also flipping between Jets and the historical MNF game. Missed the Jets taking over in the third but happy to have a W in Van.

1 down, 3 to go on the road, and it doesn't get any easier.
Jets are well equipped to continue a run!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 21, 2018, 12:41:06 AM
Vesalainen, who was with the Jets in Vancouver, flew back to Winnipeg today to be with the Moose.
Guess it's a short matter of time before we see whether he stays or goes back to Finland.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 21, 2018, 11:59:40 AM
Vesalainen, who was with the Jets in Vancouver, flew back to Winnipeg today to be with the Moose.
Guess it's a short matter of time before we see whether he stays or goes back to Finland.



Chevy admitted this in an interview yesterday. It's not ideal, but as long as the kid is playing, it;s fine. He's only 19. Most kids that age wouldn't even have the opportunity to play in the A. They'd be going back to junior.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Old Rusty on November 21, 2018, 12:38:09 PM
Laine with another hatty!

Connor and Laine works.  They have the beginnings of some awesome chemistry.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Old Rusty on November 21, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Tonights game vs. Calgary is going to be interesting.  Their team is playing well, even at goalie. I'd love to see our second line do some damage. :)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 21, 2018, 01:04:39 PM
Connor and Laine works.  They have the beginnings of some awesome chemistry.

Yes, breaking up the (perceived) Laine-Ehlers bromance has benefitted both players significantly.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 22, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Well, that first period was basically the dagger. Gross.

Laine, though... Five goals in his last two games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on November 22, 2018, 05:16:38 PM
Well, that first period was basically the dagger. Gross.

Yup. What was with all of the turnovers in our own end? It was like Enstrom was back.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 22, 2018, 05:44:59 PM
Yup. What was with all of the turnovers in our own end? It was like Enstrom was back.

Myers had a disastrous game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Old Rusty on November 22, 2018, 08:35:40 PM
What a stinker.  Myers.. needs to find his mojo.


I do like the fact that we came back.  The disallowed goal by Ehlers could have really been a huge lift..

Lets not have any more of the Keystone Kops D zone work please.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 23, 2018, 04:26:42 PM
Winnipeg Jets PR@WpgJetsPR

TRANSACTION: The Winnipeg Jets have claimed F - Marko Dano off waivers from the Colorado Avalanche and assigned him to the Manitoba Moose.


Great pickup.  Who knows what a little change of scenery can do for a player...  maybe he will fare better here than his last team...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 23, 2018, 04:59:40 PM
Winnipeg Jets PR@WpgJetsPR

TRANSACTION: The Winnipeg Jets have claimed F - Marko Dano off waivers from the Colorado Avalanche and assigned him to the Manitoba Moose.


Great pickup.  Who knows what a little change of scenery can do for a player...  maybe he will fare better here than his last team...


It's like we loaned him to Colorado for a month. Ha.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on November 23, 2018, 06:21:24 PM
I guess he can be considered as a replacement for Vesalainen after he returned to Finland.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2018, 08:51:18 PM
Laine with his sixth in three games. Solid opening period aside from Chiarot's two awful penalties.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 24, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
And then they totally collapsed in the third period.

This team really excels at finding ways to play below its collective potential.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 25, 2018, 01:27:33 AM
Holy crow - Christopher Haley of Winnipeg wins 1 million cause Laine scores 5!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 25, 2018, 03:59:12 AM
Wow... leads the league in goals, yet more than 25% of his goals came in one game.  And he is a -2.

Have to say, pretty impressive if he can keep it up. On pace for 70 goals, and 12 mil a year for 8 years...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2018, 04:45:50 PM
And to nobody's surprise, he's the first star of the week.

Unreal week by #29.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 27, 2018, 01:34:30 PM
Nice how the all armchair Laine critics have zipped their claptraps recently. ;D

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/friesen-low-key-laine-grabbing-place-in-history (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/friesen-low-key-laine-grabbing-place-in-history)

Fun Facts

Last players to score 11 or more goals in a four-game span*
(just five have done it in the modern era, post-1944)

Patrik Laine, 11, 2018-19
Mario Lemieux, 11, 1992-93
Alexander Mogilny, 11, 1992-93
Mario Lemieux, 11, 1988-89
Rick Tocchet, 11, 1987-88
Wayne Gretzky, 12, 1981-82

*courtesy Elias Sports Bureau

Most goals in a calendar month
(Laine has 16 in 10 games, with 2 games left in November)

20, Teemu Selanne, March, 1993 (14 games)
20, Joe Malone, Feb., 1921 (9 games)
19, Pavel Bure, March, 1994 (16 games)
19, Pat Lafontaine, Jan., 1992 (14 games)
19, Mario Lemieux, Dec., 1988 (14 games)
19, Wayne Gretzky, Jan., 1984 (13 games)
19, Wayne Gretzky, Dec., 1981 (14 games)
19, Phil Esposito, March, 1971 (15 games)
19, Phil Esposito, Dec., 1970 (14 games)

Five-goal games in Winnipeg Jets history
(all have come on the road)

Patrik Laine, vs Blues, 2018
Alexei Zhamnov, vs L.A. Kings, 1995
Willy Lindstrom, vs Flyers, 1982


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 27, 2018, 02:39:50 PM
Nice how the all armchair Laine critics have zipped their claptraps recently. ;D

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/friesen-low-key-laine-grabbing-place-in-history (https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/friesen-low-key-laine-grabbing-place-in-history)

Fun Facts

Last players to score 11 or more goals in a four-game span*
(just five have done it in the modern era, post-1944)

Patrik Laine, 11, 2018-19
Mario Lemieux, 11, 1992-93
Alexander Mogilny, 11, 1992-93
Mario Lemieux, 11, 1988-89
Rick Tocchet, 11, 1987-88
Wayne Gretzky, 12, 1981-82

*courtesy Elias Sports Bureau

Most goals in a calendar month
(Laine has 16 in 10 games, with 2 games left in November)

20, Teemu Selanne, March, 1993 (14 games)
20, Joe Malone, Feb., 1921 (9 games)
19, Pavel Bure, March, 1994 (16 games)
19, Pat Lafontaine, Jan., 1992 (14 games)
19, Mario Lemieux, Dec., 1988 (14 games)
19, Wayne Gretzky, Jan., 1984 (13 games)
19, Wayne Gretzky, Dec., 1981 (14 games)
19, Phil Esposito, March, 1971 (15 games)
19, Phil Esposito, Dec., 1970 (14 games)

Five-goal games in Winnipeg Jets history
(all have come on the road)

Patrik Laine, vs Blues, 2018
Alexei Zhamnov, vs L.A. Kings, 1995
Willy Lindstrom, vs Flyers, 1982

Lol 100% that's me and I will give him credit for his little hot streak right now. 

I do still think overall hes a terrible player that just has an amazing shot going for him tho.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 27, 2018, 04:31:11 PM
Lol 100% that's me and I will give him credit for his little hot streak right now. 

I do still think overall hes a terrible player that just has an amazing shot going for him tho.

Don't be conceited and make it about you. It's every clown critic out there who's never laced up a pair of skates but all claim to know better than actual players and experts involved in the NHL.

Saying he's overall a terrible player is just nonsense and really speaks to a glaring lack of knowledge.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on November 27, 2018, 06:34:48 PM
Don't be conceited and make it about you. It's every clown critic out there who's never laced up a pair of skates but all claim to know better than actual players and experts involved in the NHL.

Saying he's overall a terrible player is just nonsense and really speaks to a glaring lack of knowledge.

Oh yeah? Please teach me what exactly he does outside of having a great shot?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2018, 06:46:42 PM
Oh yeah? Please teach me what exactly he does outside of having a great shot?

Wow... really?  You obviously don't watch many games... no doubt he is primarily a sniper with huge PP production.  But he is capable of handling other duties, and is improving those abilities as well.  His shift this year to being leaner seems to have affected him early, but he seems to be finding his stride now and scoring 5 on 5 as well as PP. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 27, 2018, 07:22:20 PM
Oh yeah? Please teach me what exactly he does outside of having a great shot?

Why bother? It's like talking to a Leafs fanboy. You're blinded by a childish, hateful bias and there's nothing to gain by discussing it.

First, you whined about him not doing enough in the playoffs. Then you whined about his slow start this season and claimed he should be traded. Just pathetic commentary on your part.

He does exactly what's expected of him: score goals. He'll round out his game as he continues to play in the NHL. It's not some "little hot streak" and to suggest he's a terrible player is simply asinine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 27, 2018, 07:28:47 PM
I had this argument with a guy at work (although he has since been quiet about it since the beginning of this month...odd).

He complains that Laine sucks and we need to trade him because compared to Auston Matthews, Laine can only do one thing (very, very, very) well while Matthews is 'complete' and does well at most everything.

He is 100% correct in that fact, but what he fails to understand is that Laine never, ever was going to be a complete player like Jonny Toews or Auston Matthews. He's what is know as, in hockey, pro sports, and most any business, a specialist.

Expecting him to be anything else than a guy who can score many, many, many goals is completely misguided and sets fallible expectations that never were.

Turns out that scoring many, many, many goals is super important to being a successful team. Especially when you see that he is complemented by so much talent that routes out the other important aspects of the game. Put him with Scheif, Wheels, Little, Connor, etc who can play the "rest" of the game, and as a unit, we will be successful when firing on all cylinders.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 27, 2018, 08:17:28 PM
I had this argument with a guy at work (although he has since been quiet about it since the beginning of this month...odd).

He complains that Laine sucks and we need to trade him because compared to Auston Matthews, Laine can only do one thing (very, very, very) well while Matthews is 'complete' and does well at most everything.

He is 100% correct in that fact, but what he fails to understand is that Laine never, ever was going to be a complete player like Jonny Toews or Auston Matthews. He's what is know as, in hockey, pro sports, and most any business, a specialist.

Expecting him to be anything else than a guy who can score many, many, many goals is completely misguided and sets fallible expectations that never were.

Turns out that scoring many, many, many goals is super important to being a successful team. Especially when you see that he is complemented by so much talent that routes out the other important aspects of the game. Put him with Scheif, Wheels, Little, Connor, etc who can play the "rest" of the game, and as a unit, we will be successful when firing on all cylinders.

Well said. And you're bang on.

The comparison to Matthews, a centre, originates from flat out stupidity. The only thing he and Laine share in common is their draft year.

If Laine is to be compared to other players, it should be ones at his position: on the wing. (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-right-wingers-three-seasons/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-right-wingers-three-seasons/))


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
Oh yeah? Please teach me what exactly he does outside of having a great shot?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1062886911369494529


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 28, 2018, 02:20:26 AM
Jets are a mess in their own end tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 28, 2018, 02:26:06 AM
Something is off with this team. 

Choked away another one


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 28, 2018, 02:32:10 AM
Something is off with this team. 

Agreed. Another ugly third period.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on November 28, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
Jets are a mess in their own end tonight.

Agreed. There were three times during the game where I thought "I've got a bad feeling about this" while the puck was in the Jets' end, and each time within about 10 seconds Pittsburgh scored.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 28, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Agreed. There were three times during the game where I thought "I've got a bad feeling about this" while the puck was in the Jets' end, and each time within about 10 seconds Pittsburgh scored.

Team defense has been a serious trouble spot this season, and late in the games recently. Can't hold a lead to save their lives.

Hellebuyck had a lousy night, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 28, 2018, 05:14:35 PM
Team defense has been a serious trouble spot this season, and late in the games recently. Can't hold a lead to save their lives.

Hellebuyck had a lousy night, too.

He's had a pretty lousy season, tbh.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on November 28, 2018, 05:17:06 PM
Agreed. There were three times during the game where I thought "I've got a bad feeling about this" while the puck was in the Jets' end, and each time within about 10 seconds Pittsburgh scored.


Stop thinking about things like that... you cost us the game... ;)

Yup, a stinker.  I wouldn't put this one 100% on Bucky, but still, he could have picked up his buddies.  One more save, all it would have taken.  

But you can't give the Pens chances, ever.  Our D sucked, and Buff was "Bambi'd" for the first time I've ever seen...  that has to be demoralizing.  



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 28, 2018, 05:41:09 PM
He's had a pretty lousy season, tbh.

Sure, but that does tend to go hand-in-hand with how a team plays in front. In their own zone, the Jets have been pretty bad so far this season.

He should've gobbled up the puck on the second goal and he definitely should've saved the third. I can't fault him for the two other goals, though. Those were both due to glaring defensive lapses.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 28, 2018, 06:22:34 PM
Jets had 16 Giveaways (that's a terrible amount) to 6 Takeaways ...... conversely the Pens were at 5 GAways vs 3 TAways

PM kept the 4th line down to Perrault over 5 minutes & Roslovic & Lemieux under 5 ........ showing very little faith in whomever Rosy plays with IMO.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 29, 2018, 04:25:34 PM
Per Maurice, no Byfuglien and no Morrow for tonight's game vs. CHI. Niku and Schilling with take their respective spots on defense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 29, 2018, 06:23:27 PM
when it comes down to ATOI, I'm suspecting Schill & Niku might be contributing in & around 14 minutes tonight, yet not paired together much. 
..... Chicago, at 5th least penalized, is not a rough, pound the Dmen team, so I suspect Niku may be able to show some of his skating skills.
Myers & Chiarot's time should be touching the 19 - 23 range & Trouba & Morrissey at 25 mins plus.

Hoping that Roslovic can enjoy a breakout, well at least a couple points, game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 29, 2018, 07:53:39 PM
I expect a heavy workload for the top pairing tonight. Hopefully, Trouba's over his bout of the flu and he can get back on track.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2018, 12:20:32 AM
Wow - helly needs to stop that. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on November 30, 2018, 01:07:22 AM
Wow - helly needs to stop that. 

I'm officially disappointed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 30, 2018, 01:20:31 AM
Ehlers with 2 so far ....... just needs another 3 to tie his buddy for bragging rites


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on November 30, 2018, 02:38:18 AM
Wow.  Great to see Laine get 2 more and ehlers the Hattie but wow almost choked that one away too..


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on November 30, 2018, 04:09:42 AM
Ehlers was a threat all night ........ Laine is such a pure scorer & we fans are sooooooooo delighted to watch

Nightmare for Roslovic continues ........ maybe the Jets should consider bringing up Logan Shaw to center the 4th line & Roslovic can go to the wing.
..... in 7 games since picked off Anaheim he has 6 goals & 4 assists.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 30, 2018, 01:06:47 PM
That 4th line is frightening to watch in the defensive zone.

This team needs to get their act together in their own end, including the starting goalie. It's just sickening.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on November 30, 2018, 01:19:57 PM
All offense, no defense.

I'm happy as hell about the win, and it was a super fun game to watch, but that shouldn't have come close.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 30, 2018, 05:36:11 PM
Maurice hit the nail on the head this morning, IMO:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtRUd2LUUAAnPSK.jpg)

Gotta get off this slide immediately and get back to playing the type of hockey that made them successful last season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 01, 2018, 06:23:42 PM
Lemieux & Petan skate up to the Press box.    Copp draws back into the lineup & Mason Appleton gets his NHL regular season christening
Apparently Copp will start with Lowry, while Perrault gets together with Roslovic & Appleton .................... Brossoit is in the net
...... Nogier called up from the Moose, as Morrow goes to the IR with Buff.   Second starts for Sami & Schilling who will get tested by the speedy Devils.
 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 02, 2018, 05:06:38 PM
Can't get much better than that for excitement & a rousing finish ............. great effort by Scheif & Brossoit & Connor was snake bitten.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on December 03, 2018, 01:14:30 AM
Great to be on the other end of the "Choke"...nice effort in NY...nice cheating by Lundquist to keep knocking the net off its pegs..great road trip so far - sweep the NY teams!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 03, 2018, 04:26:16 PM
terrific comeback ....... it was only hockey justice that they finally beat Lundqvist enough ....... Great Team Victory

Two games in a row where Connor's usual good hands have been sooooo cold, for the great chances he's had.  My Pool team needs him to score.
Chiarot has been fierce out there ........ Niku & Schilling have been quite pedestrian


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 03, 2018, 04:59:08 PM
Two character wins on the weekend, one after giving up yet another lead and the other after clawing their way back.

Now to cap off the road trip with another win tomorrow!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 03, 2018, 07:11:31 PM
So, Appleton is making his pitch to stay... like so many have done with the Jets...  draft and develop, its nice when a deep draft pick comes in... Appleton and Niku were pretty astute catches...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 04, 2018, 04:46:13 PM
Lemieux draws into the lineup vs the Isles.  Copp did not feel well yesterday & apparently will be reevaluated in Wpg. for concussion symptoms.
Hopefully HellB finds his form tonight & Niku & Schilling battle hard & make good decisions.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 04, 2018, 11:53:25 PM
Oh oh ........ Morrissey not dressed


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on December 05, 2018, 04:01:50 AM
Another come from behind victory. These boys play on the edge but the results are wins.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 05, 2018, 12:59:06 PM
All year up until now, one of the reasons I was unimpressed with this squad was their inability to overcome adversity like they did last year. Even when they had comfortable leads, they managed to blow it. No come-from-behind wins. Now, they've proven capable.

They're finding their footing...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 05, 2018, 01:24:09 PM
Oh oh ........ Morrissey not dressed

Apparent lower body injury. I hope it's nothing serious.

Nice win last night with only half the team's starting blue line. Trouba and Myers had strong games and it was nice to see Hellebuyck look like his old self.

Four game win streak!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 06, 2018, 07:44:28 PM
Morrow out for tomorrow's game vs. STL. Byfuglien, Copp, Kulikov, and Morrissey will be re-evaluated tomorrow. FWIW, Byfuglien and Kulikov practiced today.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 07, 2018, 05:33:05 PM
Niku did not stay for extra work, so it sounds like Kulikov is a question still, Niku will be ready if needed.  Will be interesting to see how PostConcussion Buff plays his game...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 07, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
If Kulikov gets in ......... we can only hope that this is the beginning of a better season .......... he's been a mess in the defensive game IMO
St. Looooou has a putt load of players out ......... so no excuse for the Jets to emphasis possession & finish around their net ......... thinking 4 - 1 WIN.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 08, 2018, 07:25:53 PM
It can sure look awful when we don't score .......... UGH !!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 08, 2018, 08:06:14 PM
Hitting a hot goaltender, and Allen was just that last night, any team can be ugh.  Losing a 1-0 battle was tough, for sure, and even the pipe were against us... more than one clank last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 08, 2018, 08:45:56 PM
The Blues came to town with that last game still fresh in their minds, IMO. They were strong defensively and Allen played one of his best games ever.

It's a shame that lone goal had to take the bounce it did. It would've been nice to get at least a point in the extra frame or shootout.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 10, 2018, 01:27:59 PM
Well, they more than made up for it with a slaughter yesterday! TD Jets!

Hellebuyck stood tall in the first and never looked back. Morrissey had a great game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on December 10, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
Any word on Perreault? He got drilled pretty good and didn't come back IIRC. Plus he's due for his annual 10-12 game stint on the IR.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 10, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
Any word on Perreault? He got drilled pretty good and didn't come back IIRC. Plus he's due for his annual 10-12 game stint on the IR.

He's listed as questionable for tomorrow's game vs. CHI.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 12, 2018, 12:41:05 PM
Super hot start- I thought it was going to get nasty after we went up 3-0 and they had negative 20 shots. And then they put me in intensive care by letting the Hawks get within one.

Happy about the victory but letting a bad team make it close after showing you can dominate them is unacceptable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 13, 2018, 08:24:06 PM
I hate Edmonton. I hope we lay the smackdown on them tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 14, 2018, 02:59:43 AM
I hate Edmonton. I hope we lay the smackdown on them tonight.

Splendid.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 14, 2018, 01:04:04 PM
Splendid.

By no means a smackdown but a super entertaining game that resulted in a win. I'll take it! ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on December 14, 2018, 01:20:04 PM
I used to think the Oilers were just "McDavid (geez can that guy skate) and a bunch of other guys", but last night Nurse proved he is solid as well. Of course the Jets had a few lapses in their own end where they were either sloppy with the puck or lost some battles along the boards, but overall they played well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on December 14, 2018, 02:43:32 PM
I used to think the Oilers were just "McDavid (geez can that guy skate) and a bunch of other guys", but last night Nurse proved he is solid as well. Of course the Jets had a few lapses in their own end where they were either sloppy with the puck or lost some battles along the boards, but overall they played well.

They do have a handful of top end guys. Just no depth.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 14, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
I used to think the Oilers were just "McDavid (geez can that guy skate) and a bunch of other guys", but last night Nurse proved he is solid as well. Of course the Jets had a few lapses in their own end where they were either sloppy with the puck or lost some battles along the boards, but overall they played well.

18 years in a row (or something like that) of getting a top 5 guy in the draft should do that.

That said, without McDavid you'd have to think it would fall apart. Even if they have some solid players, 97 can carry them on his back. The kid is unreal and every time I watch an Oiler game I cannot believe how dangerous he is.

Great job handling him last night, I thought.

Morrissey, the hero- and I'm not just talking about the GWG.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 16, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
Nice OT win in Chi Town on Friday. Scheifele's OT winner was just filthy.

And now the big test today with the Bolts in town!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 17, 2018, 03:18:09 AM
Just a terrific, entertaining match with a fantastic result ............ winning in this way is amazing ........ keep it up Jets


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 17, 2018, 01:12:57 PM
Best game of the year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 17, 2018, 02:01:53 PM
What a great game last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
Ends an 8 game win streak for TB, just a solid game up ad down the lineup.

Looks good for us going forward...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 17, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
Scheifele named second star of the week with his 11-point performance (5G, 6A) over a four-game span. He's just a stud.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 17, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
No doubt about it though- Tampa Bay is GOOD. We had to bring our absolute best game just to match them, and did.

They aren't at the top of the league by a good margin by coincidence.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 17, 2018, 09:49:36 PM
Scheifele named second star of the week with his 11-point performance (5G, 6A) over a four-game span. He's just a stud.

2 OT winners and 11 points, and he's SECOND STAR?  Ovi gets it for 7 goals, no assists in 3 games with 2 hatties.  Is a hattie as impressive as an OT winner? 

Robbed, I say...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 18, 2018, 01:17:05 PM
2 OT winners and 11 points, and he's SECOND STAR?  Ovi gets it for 7 goals, no assists in 3 games with 2 hatties.  Is a hattie as impressive as an OT winner? 

Robbed, I say...

No, it's more impressive. Three goals are more impressive than one, regardless of when it was scored. Back-to-back hatties are more impressive than back-to-back GWGs in OT.

Take off the blinders.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 19, 2018, 01:12:52 PM
No puck luck last night. Lots of offensive chances but the hockey gods favoured the Kings.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 19, 2018, 01:54:28 PM
No puck luck last night. Lots of offensive chances but the hockey gods favoured the Kings.

Ice looked absolutely awful at Staples Centre last night. Full credit to the Kings, though: they know how to play with a lead and shut down their opponent.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 19, 2018, 04:45:10 PM
Ice, travel, time zones, 6 in 10, hot goalie, overconfidence, no morning skate... no excuses.  You can't win all 82, and having just beat the best team in the league, it is not an issue of being able to compete, it was a one off, flush it, NEXT!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on December 19, 2018, 04:56:27 PM
I'm honestly worried about the next couple of games. We looked so bagged at the end of the Tamps game and then we go on a three-game west coast trip? The holiday break can't come soon enough.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on December 19, 2018, 07:03:32 PM
I'm honestly worried about the next couple of games. We looked so bagged at the end of the Tamps game and then we go on a three-game west coast trip? The holiday break can't come soon enough.

Going in, I was hoping to get 4/6 points. But, that was predicated on us being able to at least beat the worst team in the league.

Vancouver should be "guaranteed" (nothing is), and San Jose in San Jose will be very, very tough. A victory there would cancel out last night's loss in my mind.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 21, 2018, 02:28:05 AM
Lowry out (no reason that I've heard of) ........ Rosy starts with Perr & Tan while Petan draws in with Apple & Lem........ should be a dandy


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 21, 2018, 01:29:16 PM
Good game last night. We managed to beat the Sharks without playing the second period and against a team with a great home record. The Pacific is not looking very good this year outside of Calgary. Wasn't close to our best effort, the guys need a few days off, but still found a way.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 21, 2018, 01:30:40 PM
Well, it wasn't the prettiest and that was easily the weirdest hatty I've ever seen, but take the win. Also nice to see Appleton get his first in the bigs.

On to Vancouver!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 21, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
Automatic goal is so anticlimactic... they should have awarded him a penalty shot,   Then he gets a shot on net...

Or make it a little interesting, let them put a skater that was on the ice in net.... or even the penalized player...

I guess just giving him a goal saves time...  does it count as a SOG?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on December 21, 2018, 03:40:45 PM
Didn't get to see much of it, much love that we picked up a win.

We desperately need a few days off and any points now are a bonus, imo.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 21, 2018, 04:09:22 PM
Automatic goal is so anticlimactic... they should have awarded him a penalty shot,   Then he gets a shot on net...

Or make it a little interesting, let them put a skater that was on the ice in net.... or even the penalized player...

I guess just giving him a goal saves time...  does it count as a SOG?

He would've scored had Thornton (IIRC) not interfered. So, rather than just waste time, it's an awarded goal as per the rulebook.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf (http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf)

Quote
Rule 25 - Awarded Goals
25.1 Awarded Goal - A goal will be awarded to the attacking team when
the opposing team has taken their goalkeeper off the ice and an
attacking player has possession and control of the puck (or would
have gained possession and control) in the neutral or attacking zone,
without a defending player between himself and the opposing goal,
and he is prevented from scoring as a result of an infraction
committed by the defending team.


A penalty shot on an empty net would be pretty funny, though. As for the SOG thing, I'm not sure. I'd assume it counts, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 21, 2018, 05:18:27 PM
He would've scored had Thornton (IIRC) not interfered. So, rather than just waste time, it's an awarded goal as per the rulebook.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf (http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf)

A penalty shot on an empty net would be pretty funny, though. As for the SOG thing, I'm not sure. I'd assume it counts, though.

You see so many NBA players with wide open layup or jams miss the basket in hilarious ways, but I don't think even the worst NHL player could miss a 6x4 empty net in an unopposed penalty shot...  although it would be up there with Billy Bucknor if they did...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on December 21, 2018, 06:32:06 PM
You see so many NBA players with wide open layup or jams miss the basket in hilarious ways, but I don't think even the worst NHL player could miss a 6x4 empty net in an unopposed penalty shot...  although it would be up there with Billy Bucknor if they did...

It's happened before on breakaways with an empty net sort of the same thing, not on an unopposed penalty shot because will i don't think those exist.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on December 21, 2018, 07:14:45 PM
It's happened before on breakaways with an empty net sort of the same thing, not on an unopposed penalty shot because will i don't think those exist.

Empty net breakaways, sure, when you have someone in hot pursuit, and he puck skips on some snow or a groove in the ice... but coming down with no opposition... you'd have to be some kind of special to flub that...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on December 21, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
Empty net breakaways, sure, when you have someone in hot pursuit, and he puck skips on some snow or a groove in the ice... but coming down with no opposition... you'd have to be some kind of special to flub that...

Patrick Stefan and Craig Smith say hello.  :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 21, 2018, 09:28:43 PM
Patrick Stefan and Craig Smith say hello.  :D

Probably the two worst EN misses in recent memory. Stefan's takes the cake, IMO - the Oilers went on to tie that game immediately after he biffed it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on December 22, 2018, 01:52:16 AM
In my opinion what the Jets are doing right is growing a deep team. Being able to bring guys up and down allows them to get guys into the NHL at a pace they neeed 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 23, 2018, 04:35:04 AM
BROSSOIT was GREAT .......... JETS squeaked out the win ......... YAHOOS


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on December 23, 2018, 04:58:19 AM
Terrific win.  And, bonus, they beat the Canucks who were feeling pretty high and mighty lately!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on December 23, 2018, 06:06:06 AM
Terrific win.  And, bonus, they beat the Canucks who were feeling pretty high and mighty lately!


It was.  Good game over all by both teams. Fun game to watch. We had no Lowry or Copp. 

Jets are a very good deep team. Even in net.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 28, 2018, 01:29:06 PM
Another ugly third period last night basically sunk the team. It's baffling how the Jets seem to forget about their speed at times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 28, 2018, 11:43:15 PM
Think that teams learn how to pressure our defensive zone & we end up with individual efforts trying to get the puck out & up the ice ...... that get shut off.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Doublezero on December 29, 2018, 01:43:28 PM
Laine is starting to look a bit like an overrated one trick pony.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on December 30, 2018, 05:12:16 PM
Loss to the Wild may be more costly if Buff is out for a longer than a short time ?
My oh my how the Wild cut off the ice & put nice pressure on our dzone ....... Jets really struggled looking fluid


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on December 30, 2018, 06:14:35 PM
Loss to the Wild may be more costly if Buff is out for a longer than a short time ?
My oh my how the Wild cut off the ice & put nice pressure on our dzone ....... Jets really struggled looking fluid

Buffy done for January at least. 

Jets have some work to do - Maurice needs to get them playing up to their potential - they did ok last January missing mark s


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 30, 2018, 10:01:12 PM
Maurice played with the lineup. should have kept it the same while they are winning, Lowry comes back and Copp, now 2 losses in a row. Would have kept them out for another game or two.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 31, 2018, 07:51:19 PM
The team was struggling even before Lowry and Copp returned to the lineup. The notion those two are why the Jets have lost two straight is absurd.

Their skating and hustle on Saturday afternoon were simply embarrassing. When you get outplayed by a team like the Wild, something isn't right.

Better hope they can end the calendar year on a positive note tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 01, 2019, 08:34:25 PM
Lowry & Copp certainly played a very positive part to the terrific win last night ............ nice thrill for Lemieux to get 2.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Ridermania on January 01, 2019, 09:01:53 PM
The Winnipeg Jets and Calgary Flames will participate in the NHL Heritage Classic on Oct. 26 at Mosaic Stadium in Regina, Saskatchewan, commissioner Gary Bettman announced during the Winter Classic on Tuesday.

Mosaic Stadium is home to the CFL's Saskatchewan Roughriders and holds a crowd of 33,350.

Next year's rendition of the Heritage Classic will serve as the fifth since 2003.

Jets will be the home team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 05, 2019, 07:19:24 PM
Awful performance last night. And now another injury. (Ehlers out until mid-February)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 05, 2019, 08:07:46 PM
WOW ........ that's a darn shame for Ehlers getting hurt & being out for a quite a bit of time.
Depth time ........ will  Appleton or Petan fit someplace ........ or if the record develops into a win one ya lose one, will it be time to see what trade is there.
Why I say trade ........ though I like most of our players thoroughly, I cannot help but seeing offensive weakness at center after Scheif
 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 07, 2019, 01:04:00 AM
Nice win tonight! Hopefully, this is an opportunity to get back on track, score more goals, and get a win streak going.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 07, 2019, 01:40:48 AM
Nice win tonight! Hopefully, this is an opportunity to get back on track, score more goals, and get a win streak going.
This^


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 07, 2019, 04:18:59 PM
What a nice team effort ...... from Kulikov - Rosy - Perrault - Myers - Lowry - Little & of course HellB being spot on


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 08, 2019, 08:16:15 PM
Big statement game tonight. A win at home against a division team at our heels would go a long way in returning to consistently winning.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 09, 2019, 01:21:53 PM
Quite the barn-burner last night. The Avs are a scary team at times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on January 09, 2019, 03:02:04 PM
The av's top line and pp are very scary, similar to the Jets. Fortunately the Jets were able to capitalize on a couple of Grubauer softies.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2019, 01:20:04 AM
The Jets' struggles vs. the Wild this season are utterly mystifying.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 11, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
I seem to recall several years ago when the Jets were bad and the Wild were good, we would beat them all the time. Maybe it's the opposite effect?  ???


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2019, 01:21:24 PM
I seem to recall several years ago when the Jets were bad and the Wild were good, we would beat them all the time. Maybe it's the opposite effect?  ???

I don't get it. The Jets dominated them last season(7-2 total record). It's just really strange how they can't adjust against the Wild's stifling style, which doesn't seem any different from previous seasons.

But it reminds me a bit of the Jets' 2014-15 season series vs. the Blackhawks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on January 11, 2019, 01:41:23 PM
The Jets' struggles vs. the Wild this season are utterly mystifying.

The Wild were absolutely stifling when the Jets had the puck. So much pressure.

And Zucker's goal after he got out of the penalty box was inexcusable. Someone blew it big time on that one.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2019, 01:49:26 PM
The Wild were absolutely stifling when the Jets had the puck. So much pressure.

And Zucker's goal after he got out of the penalty box was inexcusable. Someone blew it big time on that one.

I'm sure the usual yahoos in the social media peanut gallery have already pinned the blame on #37. Every loss is his fault this season, apparently. ::)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 12, 2019, 08:32:44 PM
Awesome game to be at last against the against the Wings. Almost felt a year 2 Jets 2.0 game. Great energy in the building.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 13, 2019, 12:48:59 AM
Just surprised to see the game dragging out ....... with the Wings making our Jets look very normal IMO.
Thank goodness that Brossoit came with his A+ game ...... again.    Wings really had our men scrambling so very often to survive in our end.
Jets got a couple of goals on nice misdirections & an empty netter & ....... a Victory      Hope we can play a bit better vs the Ducks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 13, 2019, 04:15:52 PM
Nailbiter at the end until the empty netter... This team still isn't playing to its strengths. But take the win.

Hopefully, another one coming today. I'm not sure how I feel about a wounded animal coming to town, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 13, 2019, 11:18:52 PM
after being down 2-0 ....... Laine has SCOOOOOOORED & we're all tied up in the 2nd.

Great OT ........... real terrific save by HellB ......... Trouba all over Gibson, frantic for the puck & Little puts it in for the Victory.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 14, 2019, 01:24:16 PM
After giving up that weird softie to Cogliano, Hellebuyck did a great job shutting the door the rest of the game. Little had himself a night. That feed to Laine was beautiful and his OT goal was as gritty as they come.

Not a sound way to beat the league's better teams, though. They'll need to be better tomorrow and especially Thursday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 15, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
Westwood retweeted this, and the responses are funny....

Jordan Reaves @JReaves77

What's good y'all...today is a sad day for me... @reavo7five is in Winnipeg playing the Winnipeg Planes and I can't be there screaming at people...so whenever y'all feeling Froggy...let's jump 😏 (I booked the whole night off for y'all clowns 🤡



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 15, 2019, 05:24:52 PM
The Winnipeg Planes? Wow, his trash talk is about as good as his CFL career.


Title: Jets Vs. Golden Knights
Post by: In Motion on January 15, 2019, 11:46:21 PM
I'm looking forward to this game, even though we'll be without
Buff, Charot and Ehlers.  It's so much fun to have a consistently winning team
in Winnipeg, and we're not even playing our best hockey yet.

Btw, I like Dennis Beyak for play-by-play, and Sawyer as a commentator is finding his stride now.

I also like it that our anthem singer just gets it done without a lot of embellishments.
She does this purposely because she's said the anthem is not about her.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 16, 2019, 04:08:16 AM
Brossoit could be the best backup in the NHL. He is playing lights out.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 16, 2019, 03:35:44 PM
Brossoit could be the best backup in the NHL. He is playing lights out.

Ummm.. he could be the best goalie in the league the way he is playing.  Nevermind backup... no doubt his numbers will eventually come back to earth, but for now, he is off the charts, best in the league of goalies playing 12 games or more...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 16, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Fantastic game last night. Felt like a playoff atmosphere at the arena.

Brossoit had himself a game! PK was excellent, too. Jets need to clean up their discipline issues big time, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on January 16, 2019, 07:48:15 PM
Thing is Brossoit was only average last year with the Edmonton. He trained in the off season with Helly.

Up until last night I don't think he had played against a team with a winning record. However he has been lights out this year.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on January 16, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
What a crazy game ........ Vegas, with any normal luck, would have been up by 2 at least after the second
........ but Brossoit was as good as they get & the hockey Gods were with the Jets ........ great finish by Connor on his shorty goal & Perrault made a beauty move for his

Note: Niemi, for the Habs, stopped 52 of 53 Panthers shots last night ......... great nite for the backups.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 17, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
Huge opportunity to pull ahead of Nashville tonight. This will be a great test on the road against a very strong team and our only real rival points-wise in the Central. A clean W tonight would put us on what I would call a legit streak.

While Minny is our natural geographic rival, I would have to say our biggest rival in this moment in time is Nashville. We are both super strong teams and hate each other. I suppose a heated 7 game second round series will do that. Agree/disagree?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on January 17, 2019, 04:07:23 PM
While Minny is our natural geographic rival, I would have to say our biggest rival in this moment in time is Nashville. We are both super strong teams and hate each other. I suppose a heated 7 game second round series will do that. Agree/disagree?

Totally agree. It seems like year after year Nashville is one of the better teams in the Central, and to be the best you gotta beat the best. It just so happens that we have 4-5 opportunities to do that every year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on January 17, 2019, 04:50:53 PM
Totally agree. It seems like year after year Nashville is one of the better teams in the Central, and to be the best you gotta beat the best. It just so happens that we have 4-5 opportunities to do that every year.

Nash has had pretty solid goalers... a big part of a winning team.  I like our chances with our tandem this year...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on January 17, 2019, 05:01:39 PM
Huge opportunity to pull ahead of Nashville tonight. This will be a great test on the road against a very strong team and our only real rival points-wise in the Central. A clean W tonight would put us on what I would call a legit streak.

While Minny is our natural geographic rival, I would have to say our biggest rival in this moment in time is Nashville. We are both super strong teams and hate each other. I suppose a heated 7 game second round series will do that. Agree/disagree?

I don't think there's any question. Rivalries are created in the play offs. We wanted the Wild to fill that role before we had created any central rivalries, but it never really materialized.

Nashville disgust me, however.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 17, 2019, 07:54:01 PM
I don't think there's any question. Rivalries are created in the play offs. We wanted the Wild to fill that role before we had created any central rivalries, but it never really materialized.

Nashville disgust me, however.

Yep, true.

Interesting how we also played the Wild yet I don't feel anymore intense about them than before, whereas the team we played a round later that went to seven games meant the hate went so much deeper.

I guess the playoff rivalry rule only works if you go deep (7 games) or if you lose! I definitely hate Vegas more than Minny, that I can say for sure.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 17, 2019, 08:47:18 PM
I think the Jets and Wild have a natural geographical rivalry but it's certainly taken a back seat to the one with the Predators after last year's second round.

That being said, I despise the Wild and the Preds equally. ;D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on January 18, 2019, 12:12:13 AM
Yep, true.

Interesting how we also played the Wild yet I don't feel anymore intense about them than before, whereas the team we played a round later that went to seven games meant the hate went so much deeper.

I guess the playoff rivalry rule only works if you go deep (7 games) or if you lose! I definitely hate Vegas more than Minny, that I can say for sure.

It?s definitely the nature of the play off series. Us crushing the Wild in 5 games does not have the same effect that an insane 7 game slug fest does.

What a series. I miss it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on January 18, 2019, 09:51:09 AM
Laine has 4 points in his last 14 games.  This is starting to scare me a little. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 18, 2019, 09:57:08 AM
Laine has 4 points in his last 14 games.  This is starting to scare me a little. 
Not me. He looked great in Trashville. He needs to play like that all the time though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on January 18, 2019, 10:05:48 AM
Not me. He looked great in Trashville. He needs to play like that all the time though.

He may have played great but is still not producing.  For what he is going to be expected to get paid, he is not earning it.  He is a one-dimensional player, and I hope he cracks out of his slump soon.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 18, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
The team is winning despite his "struggles." The contract discussion can wait for now, IMO. He's been better as of late and I'll take that over his mostly disastrous December. He needs to continue improving and rounding out his overall game. Gotta remember he's still just 20 years old.

Anyway, phenomenal win in Smashville. Hellebuyck stood tall, the bottom 6 were incredible (Lemieux, Appleton, Tanev), the second line had a nice game, and the blue liners were excellent (Niku and Morrow pleasantly surprised me). That's the kind of hockey this team is capable of playing. Now they just have to do it more consistently.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 18, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
After being on my naughty list for about a year, Bryan Little has really found/settled into his role and is embracing it. Love his game lately.

Laine's best game since November and what pleases me is that the stuff I noticed him doing great was stuff he sucked at. Forechecking, carrying the puck up the middle, driving the net, skating, and playing some sound defense. I never expected him to become a 2-way forward but these essentials that you just need in today's NHL look feasible for Laine. Kinda reminds me of 10 years ago when Ovechkin got neutered a bit in order to develop the rest of his game and stop focusing solely on goal scoring and now look at that machine.

Also, a less than stellar year this year means we definitely won't need to be paying 11 million for 10 years for Laine.

Just an incredible game in Nashville. "You suck!! It's all your fault! It's all your fault!"


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 18, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
After being on my naughty list for about a year, Bryan Little has really found/settled into his role and is embracing it. Love his game lately.

Laine's best game since November and what pleases me is that the stuff I noticed him doing great was stuff he sucked at. Forechecking, carrying the puck up the middle, driving the net, skating, and playing some sound defense. I never expected him to become a 2-way forward but these essentials that you just need in today's NHL look feasible for Laine. Kinda reminds me of 10 years ago when Ovechkin got neutered a bit in order to develop the rest of his game and stop focusing solely on goal scoring and now look at that machine.

Also, a less than stellar year this year means we definitely won't need to be paying 11 million for 10 years for Laine.

Just an incredible game in Nashville. "You suck!! It's all your fault! It's all your fault!"

Well said. It makes me curious if the Jets will attempt a bridge with Laine.

Those fans in Nashville need a new chant.

In other news, Johansen will have a hearing today for his vicious lumberjack high-stick on Scheifele last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 18, 2019, 04:17:42 PM
Well said. It makes me curious if the Jets will attempt a bridge with Laine.

Those fans in Nashville need a new chant.

In other news, Johansen will have a hearing today for his vicious lumberjack high-stick on Scheifele last night.

Might make the most sense for club and player. Hard to project what kind of player Laine ultimately becomes and there's more risk for a guy like him than there was for Scheifele. Chevy can gamble if he likes his odds but the organization is risk-averse overall and I think that wins out. You don't want to screw everything up with a bad contract the size of what we'd need to pay for sign Laine long term.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 28, 2019, 07:54:54 PM
Home stretch starts tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on January 29, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Jets were asleep and only got worse as the game went on.

Now to face the back half of a b2b, on the road, against a stronger team.

Make up for it tonight with 2 points.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 30, 2019, 01:34:18 AM
Another sketchy performance again tonight. That top line of the Bruins basically does what it wants at will.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 30, 2019, 02:30:17 AM
Another sketchy performance again tonight. That top line of the Bruins basically does what it wants at will.


Negated by the law office of Connor and Connor. hehe.

Credit Lowry and Tanev to spike the teams interest in getting the win.

Trouba was solid as well.

GJG


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on February 01, 2019, 04:59:52 AM
Close game against Columbus.  Nice win at home.  Connor continues to be a force but we need production from Laine.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Norlorne Dr. on February 01, 2019, 09:28:16 AM
4 points in the last 18 games from Laine  :-[ :-\


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 01, 2019, 02:06:35 PM
I just tell myself that Laine is going to click big time at the end of March, and we will have a healthy Ehlers and Buff back.

Right now I don't care so much about individual effort. Just win baby win.

Keep winning however we need to, lock up first place in the Central, and then be at our best for when it really counts.

Season starts in April.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 01, 2019, 04:40:26 PM
Close game against Columbus.  Nice win at home.  Connor continues to be a force but we need production from Laine.

Fortunately, the Jets are still winning despite the worst slump of his career. His possession metrics are an absolute tire fire.

Right now I don't care so much about individual effort. Just win baby win.

Keep winning however we need to, lock up first place in the Central, and then be at our best for when it really counts.

Season starts in April.

Well said. Pretty much where I stand right now, too. The team continues to win and that's what matters.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 01, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
Maybe Ehlers getting back into the mix will help....


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 01, 2019, 08:39:40 PM
Maybe Ehlers getting back into the mix will help....

No doubt about it. I did love the chemistry Connor and Laine had, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 02, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
They are saying Buff not till Tuesday now and Ehlers still longer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 02, 2019, 05:21:05 PM
They are saying Buff not till Tuesday now and Ehlers still longer.

Disappointing from a fan perspective because they?re both so fun to watch, but from a strategy standpoint, give them until April to recover for all I care. All that matters is that they are 110% for the playoff run.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Eh, let Byfuglien rest and get back to 100%. The Jets need him at his best. As for Ehlers, it was stated back when he got hurt on Jan. 4 he'd be out until mid-February.

Winning in spite of these injuries speaks to the quality and depth on this roster.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 02, 2019, 07:32:26 PM
Disappointing from a fan perspective because they?re both so fun to watch, but from a strategy standpoint, give them until April to recover for all I care. All that matters is that they are 110% for the playoff run.

I don't even consider it a bad thing to have Buff out right now. He's going to hit playoffs with fresh legs. This is pretty valuable for a big old guy like him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 03, 2019, 06:53:24 AM
Continuing to win...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 03, 2019, 02:32:25 PM
Love, love, love how the Jets completely embarrassed the ducks! My hatred for that team is right up there with the knights, preds and leafs. Buff back hopefully in time to play against Kane and soon after that Ehlers. It?s time to start steamrolling teams and overtake Calgary for first in the Conference during the final stretch!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 03, 2019, 04:05:39 PM
Love, love, love how the Jets completely embarrassed the ducks! My hatred for that team is right up there with the knights, preds and leafs. Buff back hopefully in time to play against Kane and soon after that Ehlers. It?s time to start steamrolling teams and overtake Calgary for first in the Conference during the final stretch!

+1000000000


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 04, 2019, 05:37:27 PM
What a game on Saturday. Still wondering when Carlyle gets the axe.

Jack Roslovic is the NHL First Star of The Week.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 06, 2019, 01:32:46 PM
Powerplay was really stinky in OT last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on February 06, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Powerplay was really stinky in OT last night.

Agreed. It was embarrassing. Can't argue with getting a point out of that game, but still...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 07, 2019, 12:03:48 AM
Laine has as many or more goals this season at this point as in any other.

Kids 21


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2019, 06:33:30 PM
Laine has as many or more goals this season at this point as in any other.

Kids 21

He's still 20 for another month a couple of weeks. No denying he's in a brutal slump right now, though.

EDIT: And according to John Lu who attended the Jets' morning skate, Roslovic took Laine's spot on the top PP unit.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 08, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Maybe their worst road game last night. That was painful to watch. Outside of Scheifele's opening goal, the top line looked like a bunch of beer league plugs.

Perhaps it was a wake-up call the Jets needed. They were handed their lunch money.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on February 08, 2019, 03:38:26 PM
Perhaps it was a wake-up call the Jets needed.

Or does it increase the odds of their next game against Ottawa being a trap game?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 08, 2019, 05:30:01 PM
The only one playing last night after our one goal lead disappeared was Hellebuyck. If I have to look for something good, it was a performance of a lifetime by him and I would argue his best all year. Of course, it was painful to see his entire team let him down and put him under siege the whole night.

Or does it increase the odds of their next game against Ottawa being a trap game?

Afternoon away game against the worst team in the league? Sounds like the stage is set to lose 1-0...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2019, 06:56:58 PM
The only one playing last night after our one goal lead disappeared was Hellebuyck. If I have to look for something good, it was a performance of a lifetime by him and I would argue his best all year. Of course, it was painful to see his entire team let him down and put him under siege the whole night.

Afternoon away game against the worst team in the league? Sounds like the stage is set to lose 1-0...

Nah - I bet we smoke the Sens. We'll bounce back is my guess.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on February 08, 2019, 07:17:14 PM
Lets hope so...

Maybe we can steal away either Stone or Duchene in the process!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 08, 2019, 08:13:13 PM
Nah - I bet we smoke the Sens. We'll bounce back is my guess.

Would love for you to be right!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 09, 2019, 07:41:22 PM
Didn't even know the game was this afternoon till the goal notifications started popping up...getting throttled by maybe the worst team in the NHL...

Maurice better tune these guys up


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2019, 05:15:48 PM
Or does it increase the odds of their next game against Ottawa being a trap game?

Seemed like that was the case. Although, Brossoit was basically hot garbage yesterday, which helped nothing.

Something is starting to stink in Jetsland.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2019, 05:19:26 PM
Against MTL, 37 stood on his head, but the guys in front stunk.  Against OTT, LB stunk, and the boys out front were not good enough to cover for it.

It all needs to come together sometime, right?



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2019, 05:22:16 PM
There is ample blame to go around the entire roster the last two games. The top line, which is supposed to drive the bus, has been pathetic. Byfuglien is clearly shaking off rust. The powerplay is a disaster.

Things were exacerbated yesterday by Nilsson's hot play.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 11, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
Much better performance in Buffalo. Hopefully, the loss to the Senators was the wake-up call the team needed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 11, 2019, 06:24:55 PM
Jets at home now vs the Rangers, who are very beatable, the Avs who are spiralling & the Sens whom may look different, after trades,  by next Saturday.
Then on the road vs the likes of the Wild, Avs again, Vegas & the Coyotes ............. time for a real solid winning run by the Jets.

Wake up Laine ........... your killing me in a hockey pool.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 12, 2019, 02:17:44 PM
The Jets don't play in Minneapolis again until April. They do host the Wild to close out this month, though. Heritage Night at BellMTS Place, IIRC.

On paper, the toughest game coming up is in Vegas, IMO. If the Jets play their game, that is.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 13, 2019, 02:38:56 PM
Jets are now 12-0 this season when tied after 40 minutes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2019, 05:15:40 AM
Ugly, ugly game tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 15, 2019, 01:27:39 PM
Toss that in the trash and move on.

Speaking of trash, we absolutely need to make up for last night and last Saturday and thrash the Sens tomorrow night!!  >:(


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 16, 2019, 06:01:36 PM
We definitely need a victory tonight ..... we know will be without Joe Morrow & Kulikov steps in ....... but heard that there might be a chance that Buff sits out ?????
   ............... anyone hear anything of Buff

Will Chevy make a splash with Ottawa & preferably pickup Stone ...... though I really have always liked Duchesne as a player ?
Who would the Sens want & whom might Chevy use to tempt them in return ........ Jets 1st round pick, Comrie & Vesalainen

Is Laine a player that Chevy might use to really get over the top return ...... as a top 4 Dman, LH shot, as well as a player like Stone or Hayes or Courtier from the Flyers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 16, 2019, 06:20:48 PM
UPDATE:    big Buff is out for tonight         https://www.tsn.ca/byfuglien-out-vs-sens-with-lbi-1.1258835


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 16, 2019, 11:33:48 PM
Tanev is a stud.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 19, 2019, 12:37:13 AM
To distract from the recent poor outings from the Jets, how about some trade predictions? I think the Jets will land a forward to boost our top 6 and maybe a smaller deal for depth on D. I?m hoping for Stone or Hayes but an out of nowhere trade like the Statsny deal last year would be nice too. Jets roster players that I could handle losing in addition to draft picks are Perreault, Copp, Lemieux, Petan, maybe even Appleton although I think he will be a great player for the team in a couple of years. As far as Moose players go, no real untouchables for me and no to Vesalainen on the block. If we were to land Stone and he agreed to a new contract, obviously a bigger fish would need to go in return. I hate to think of who that might be... Anyway, should be a fun week leading up to the deadline!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 19, 2019, 04:58:37 PM
Interesting info re: Laine and his ongoing struggles: https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1097888048338083842 (https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1097888048338083842)

Quote
Food for thought:
On Nov 29 #NHLJets Patrik Laine scored his 20th & 21st goal of the season, which had him in first place in the league for goals scored. Since then Laine has scored 4 goals, and currently sits 34th in the league in goals scored.

Why is that important?

Anything outside the top 10 means Laine misses out on a $1.8M 'B' bonus. It also mean that the $1.8M the #NHLJets had earmarked as a possible bonus in Nov, can maybe be used at the trade deadline instead.

$1.8M at the deadline is equal to an $8.37M cap hit at full value.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 20, 2019, 04:23:04 PM
Just curious, is there any justification for sending Laine down for a "conditioning stint"?  Do we give him a couple games once Ehlers comes back, and see if they can spark, but if the slump continues, AHL?  Does he have clauses against that in his contract? 

Laine goes down, stops worrying, plays all out and burns it up a while, and comes back confident.  In the meantime, the Moose sell out every darned game.

Win/Win?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on February 20, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
Just curious, is there any justification for sending Laine down for a "conditioning stint"?  Do we give him a couple games once Ehlers comes back, and see if they can spark, but if the slump continues, AHL?  Does he have clauses against that in his contract? 

Laine goes down, stops worrying, plays all out and burns it up a while, and comes back confident.  In the meantime, the Moose sell out every darned game.

Win/Win?

Getting out of a funk isn't what the conditioning stint is meant for, Laine would need to have been a healthy scratch for a significant amount of time in order for that to be accepted by the league.

Beyond that, Laine has to agree to it. You can't just send him there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on February 20, 2019, 04:47:46 PM
Just curious, is there any justification for sending Laine down for a "conditioning stint"?  Do we give him a couple games once Ehlers comes back, and see if they can spark, but if the slump continues, AHL?  Does he have clauses against that in his contract? 

Laine goes down, stops worrying, plays all out and burns it up a while, and comes back confident.  In the meantime, the Moose sell out every darned game.

Win/Win?

I believe all entry level contracts are two way contracts, so i guess in theory it can be done.  Will it happen?  I doubt it, probably won't motivate Laine anymore and he would also be taking in a smaller cheque well down there leaving him disgruntled in the mist of extension talks.

Also I doubt one player is gonna start selling out the Moose, especially a slumping Laine that fans are rightfully souring on.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 20, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Getting out of a funk isn't what the conditioning stint is meant for, Laine would need to have been a healthy scratch for a significant amount of time in order for that to be accepted by the league.

Beyond that, Laine has to agree to it. You can't just send him there.

Exactly. Sending him to the minors makes absolutely no sense and would accomplish nothing.

If anything, he needs to be moved to a different line. There is no chemistry on the second line right now and I'm not sure why Maurice won't pull out the blender.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on February 20, 2019, 05:45:52 PM
I believe all entry level contracts are two way contracts, so i guess in theory it can be done.  Will it happen?  I doubt it, probably won't motivate Laine anymore and he would also be taking in a smaller cheque well down there leaving him disgruntled in the mist of extension talks.

Also I doubt one player is gonna start selling out the Moose, especially a slumping Laine that fans are rightfully souring on.

Laine has played enough games that he would need to clear waivers in order to be sent to the AHL


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on February 20, 2019, 06:35:22 PM
Laine has played enough games that he would need to clear waivers in order to be sent to the AHL

Ah ok, I thought that all players on their entry contract could move freely between the leagues without going through waivers.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on February 20, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
Ah ok, I thought that all players on their entry contract could move freely between the leagues without going through waivers.

They can at the beginning of their contract, but tend to get to the point where that's no longer the case around their last year depending on age/games played:
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Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 21, 2019, 02:17:38 AM
Jets are in trouble ...need to shake up the lines and make a trade to inject some life into them.

This team as it stands and is playing gets beat in the first round. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 21, 2019, 02:40:17 AM
Jets are in trouble ...need to shake up the lines and make a trade to inject some life into them.

This team as it stands and is playing gets beat in the first round. 

Or misses the playoffs (long shot but wow they look lost tonight)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 21, 2019, 02:57:31 AM
Or misses the playoffs (long shot but wow they look lost tonight)

The whole team has been off since the All Star break. Wheeler and Scheifele have disappeared. Our fourth line has been our best line in many games. Power play is pitiful. So many penalties. We are missing Ehlers for sure. Coach needs to do something to get this team to respond or I agree, we?re out in round one. And it would be a shame if we do make a trade and give up some of our prospects all for an early exit. So frustrating to watch this hockey team right now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 21, 2019, 04:28:47 AM
The Jets are a disaster right now. Ever since that loss in Dallas prior to the bye week, they've been an inconsistent hot mess.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 21, 2019, 11:38:48 PM
Caught on tv that Ehlers feels he's ready ........ he worked out today with regular jersey on ...... who sits if Ehlers is in ??

Come on Chevy, shake things up .......... fans, such as I, want the Cup this year


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 22, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
Caught on tv that Ehlers feels he's ready ........ he worked out today with regular jersey on ...... who sits if Ehlers is in ??

Come on Chevy, shake things up .......... fans, such as I, want the Cup this year

Appleton maybe?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 22, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
Appleton maybe?

Absolutely.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 22, 2019, 03:40:30 PM
Absolutely.

+1

He'd be the first sent down to the Moose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2019, 03:50:35 AM
Jets start hot - Ehlers is back!
Jets cool off - piss away a two-goal lead.
Jets find a way late in the middle frame - Laine finally scores!

This third period is going to be nerve-wracking. :D


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 23, 2019, 04:32:28 AM
Jets start hot - Ehlers is back!
Jets cool off - piss away a two-goal lead.
Jets find a way late in the middle frame - Laine finally scores!

This third period is going to be nerve-wracking. :D


ugh   lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2019, 04:54:04 AM
Man, they sure needed that win. Solid third period (except for the first 8 seconds).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 23, 2019, 04:37:42 PM
Lowry gets his first goal in 19 games ........ great but sad production for ATOI. ...... keep it going
Laine finally dents the twine ........ oddly tho, he remains a minus player on the ice ..... went -2 & is now a very sad -20 for the season
Poor HellB ...... despite playing real well, still gets 3 scored on him & is now at a 2.98 GA. .... Team defense has gotta help him more.
Great feeling for Ehlers I'm sure.  Thought he played smart away from the puck & wisely picked his spots to accelerate.   Little & Connor were a nice fit last night.
Felt Perrault, Roslovic, no shots recorded, were lost together ....... meanwhile Appleton hustled & laid the body

Hope we see Poolman vs the Coyotes ........ not sold on Niku yet & am not a Kulikov fan.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 23, 2019, 04:50:58 PM
Lowry gets his first goal in 19 games ........ great but sad production for ATOI. ...... keep it going
Laine finally dents the twine ........ oddly tho, he remains a minus player on the ice ..... went -2 & is now a very sad -20 for the season
Poor HellB ...... despite playing real well, still gets 3 scored on him & is now at a 2.98 GA. .... Team defense has gotta help him more.
Great feeling for Ehlers I'm sure.  Thought he played smart away from the puck & wisely picked his spots to accelerate.   Little & Connor were a nice fit last night.
Felt Perrault, Roslovic, no shots recorded, were lost together ....... meanwhile Appleton hustled & laid the body

Hope we see Poolman vs the Coyotes ........ not sold on Niku yet & am not a Kulikov fan.


Poolman has had his flashes, and he is great for depth, but I really like what I saw in Niku last night.  He made some great offensive plays, and had some intertesting moves with the puck.  He also was excellent in his own end, made a  couple of very nice defensive plays..


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 25, 2019, 04:08:15 AM
Based on how Morrissey skated off the ice tonight, I suspect that Chevy might be dealing for a defenceman tomorrow...Hopefully the injury isn?t serious but it didn?t look good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 25, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
Jets make a trade! Lemieux, 2019 first and a conditional pick for Kevin Hayes from NYR. High price in my opinion but I think Stone?s price was even higher. I think this is a good deal. Now we need a LHD. Maybe someone with a year or two of term left?


Title: Jet's
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2019, 03:45:41 PM
Kevin Hayes, probably means Stones was to expensive.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 25, 2019, 04:17:46 PM
Conditional pick is a 4th if we win the cup....

Little has to move to the wing now, for sure.  Not breaking up Tanev/Copp/Lowry... which would put Little "4th line"...

Wheelers/Scheiffle/Connor must be reuinited

Laine/Hayes/Ehlers   let Hayes be Stasny, or do you put one of the young guys down and put Little on a wing, and let Roslovic centre line 4?

Tanev/Copp/Lowry    is there a way to etch this in stone?

Roslovic/Little/Appleton

Heck of a set of lines to roll...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 25, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
Kevin Hayes, probably means Stones was to expensive.

Way too expensive. Two players and two picks is way too much.

Sucks to lose Lemieux but centre depth is so important. I like this trade and look forward to seeing Hayes in the lineup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 25, 2019, 06:54:26 PM
Conditional pick is a 4th if we win the cup....

Little has to move to the wing now, for sure.  Not breaking up Tanev/Copp/Lowry... which would put Little "4th line"...

Wheelers/Scheiffle/Connor must be reuinited

Laine/Hayes/Ehlers   let Hayes be Stasny, or do you put one of the young guys down and put Little on a wing, and let Roslovic centre line 4?

Tanev/Copp/Lowry    is there a way to etch this in stone?

Roslovic/Little/Appleton

Heck of a set of lines to roll...

What about your post suggests we have to move Little to the wing?

A Roslovic/Little/Appleton line would be considered the third line by virtue of Little being on it. Also, who cares what we number the lines, anyway/


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 25, 2019, 07:19:31 PM
Stone to Vegas
Simmonds to Nashville



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 25, 2019, 07:22:36 PM
Jets bring back Hendricks. I don?t get this move.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on February 25, 2019, 07:23:21 PM
Stone to Vegas
Simmonds to Nashville



granlund also to nashville


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2019, 07:24:53 PM
They need some toughness.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 25, 2019, 07:33:52 PM
Jets bring back Hendricks. I don?t get this move.

We needed another top centre. This will shift Scheifele down.

Laine-Hendricks-Wheeler, obvs.

lol


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 25, 2019, 07:43:46 PM
Hendricks is the glue guy. For a 7th rounder, it's nice to have him back.

And now Beaulieu from BUF for a 6th rounder.

Obviously, Hayes is the big fish but a couple of utility adds can't hurt.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2019, 07:52:42 PM
Vegas really didn't give up much to get Stone.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 25, 2019, 07:55:01 PM
So the #NHLJets have added C Kevin Hayes, C Matt Hendricks, LHD Nathan Beaulieu, F Par Lindholm, LHD Bogdan Kiselevich. Going out are LW Brendan Lemieux, C Nic Petan, a 1st round pick in 2019, a 6th in 2019, a 7th in 2019 and a 7th in 2020. (Plus conditional 4th in 2022). #wfp


From free press twitter


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 25, 2019, 07:59:44 PM
Vegas really didn't give up much to get Stone.



Oh ya they did.    Way to much.  One of the best prospects in hockey


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 25, 2019, 08:15:32 PM
Never would have guessed we'd make 6 deals.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2019, 08:18:22 PM
Prospect, that's the key word.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2019, 08:23:43 PM
Puljujarvi was one of the top prospects also.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 25, 2019, 08:29:48 PM
Prospect, that's the key word.

That's usually what a rebuilding team targets. The Senators knew they weren't keeping Stone and got some key rebuilding out of it. Same as they did with Duchene and Dzingel.

Never would have guessed we'd make 6 deals.

Yeah, I think this is the busiest Cheveldayoff has ever been on TDL Day.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 25, 2019, 08:52:46 PM
Puljujarvi was one of the top prospects also.


Well the Oil have pissed away lots of them.

Its jus my opinion but i wouldnt have gave up what they did for stone. We added just a big of a peice to our team and pretty gave up nothing. They gave away LOTS of their future for Stone.


Might just be me but im not giving up my future for Stone.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 25, 2019, 08:53:26 PM
Not a bad day for the Jets...just wish Stone and Simmonds and Granlund to a lesser extent would have gone somewhere else.  Vegas and Nashville got a lot better today


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 25, 2019, 09:10:13 PM

Well the Oil have pissed away lots of them.

Its jus my opinion but i wouldnt have gave up what they did for stone. We added just a big of a peice to our team and pretty gave up nothing. They gave away LOTS of their future for Stone.


Might just be me but im not giving up my future for Stone.

I don't think Stone would want to be here for the next 8 years either - he knows what it is like...heck I don't even want to be here for the next 8 days (so done with winter).

I am fine with him not being here - just wish he was in East


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on February 25, 2019, 09:10:26 PM

Well the Oil have pissed away lots of them.

Its jus my opinion but i wouldnt have gave up what they did for stone. We added just a big of a peice to our team and pretty gave up nothing. They gave away LOTS of their future for Stone.


Might just be me but im not giving up my future for Stone.

Im not all that high on Stone, but they signed him for 8 years. They gave up a huge maybe for an established future. If anything they further secured their future, not gave it away.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 25, 2019, 09:15:34 PM
Granlund to the Predators for Fiala seems like a wash. If anything, I'd say the Wild won that trade. Simmonds is a nice piece but they gave up centre depth (Hartmann) for him. So, it'll be interesting to see how it all comes together in music city.

Vegas getting Stone is pretty significant, especially with the extension. However, this should make teams like the Sharks and the Flames nervous, not so much the Jets.

All in all, I'd say the Jets had a pretty good day. Losing what's essentially a 4th liner (Lemieux) and a bottom 6/AHLer (Petan) isn't too shabby.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 25, 2019, 09:19:47 PM
Several TSN panelists are picking the Jets as the best chance for a Canadian team to win the cup. TO has a very tough challenge in going through Boston and Tampa. Montreal might be the dark horse due to their playoff path. The final stretch will be exciting as there will be lots of movement and teams jostling for their playoff spot. I can?t wait to see Hayes in the line up tomorrow!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 26, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Jets lineup for tomorrow....

Laine, Scheifle, Wheeler
Connor, Hayes, Ehlers
Copp, Lowry, Tanev
Perrault, Little, Roslovic

Trouba, Niku
Chairot, Bealiueu
Myers, Kulikov


Reserves: Hendricks, Lindholm, Kiselevich


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 26, 2019, 02:16:45 AM
Is that a guess (I'm guessing it is) at tomorrow"s lineup ....... or was it stated already from PM ???
Regardless, it's not a bad look

Chevy really had a decent or better day than I expected.  Hayes was a key addition for sure & I am not sad in why Stone is not a Jet.
........... getting 2 LH Dmen may be a tell as to where Morrissey is, health wise. It's like audition time for LH Dmen prior to the playoffs

Can't wait to see who gels with whom & how PM & the coaches handle choices with patience or dumb luck.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 26, 2019, 02:57:34 AM
If Trouba wants to prove that he's a $7 million a year defenseman now is the time to prove it. No Buff, or Morrissey this is his opportunity.
The way Morrissey got hit and reacted I'm thinking 4-6 weeks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 26, 2019, 03:27:19 AM
Montreal has no PP.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2019, 01:42:27 PM
Montreal has no PP.

What does this have to do with the Jets?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 26, 2019, 02:02:25 PM
Good the Jets picked up some defenseman. The forwards they traded , Lemieux was playing good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 26, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
TO is in tough spot with Boston and Tampa, but we will have to beat Vegas, and Preds. which are both very good teams.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on February 26, 2019, 04:07:47 PM
Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Little-Roslovic
Copp-Lowry-Tanev
Perreault-Hayes-Ehlers

Beaulieu-Trouba
Kulikov-Myers
Chiarot-Niku


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2019, 04:39:23 PM
Morrissey out until April. Dammitall.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 26, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
Morrissey out until April. Dammitall.

F me.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 26, 2019, 04:47:16 PM
Morrissey out until April. Dammitall.

Bad news, but honestly, I thought it might be even longer than that. Hopefully he?s a quick healer and beats the one month timeline...Time to see what the new guys can do.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2019, 04:48:29 PM
Half the blue line is sidelined right now. Not a good situation for a team struggling in its own end these days.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 26, 2019, 04:55:31 PM
Anyone know anything about the new pieces we brought in?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2019, 05:04:55 PM
Anyone know anything about the new pieces we brought in?

Hayes is a good two-way centre whose task has been to shut down top lines, so that's a great addition down the middle.
Beaulieu is a decent depth add, similar to last year's addition of Morrow. Beaulieu's style reminds me of Grant Clitsome.
Hendricks is a well known commodity. I doubt he plays much but his addition to the locker room is invaluable.
Lindholm is basically a rookie at this point despite his age. Basically a one-for-one for Petan, so depth.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 26, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
March is a brutally tough schedule regarding whom the Jet opponents will be ......... we need no more injuries & Buff back soon.
Niku & Beaulieux both in & will be duking it out, long run, for Morrissey's vacant regular season spot ........ Morrow in the wings rehabbing

Trial, error in juggling lines & hope for quick success soon in matching players to come up with confident, productive lines


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 26, 2019, 05:40:18 PM
Hellebuyck is going to have to turn up his game a notch.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2019, 05:46:32 PM
Hellebuyck is going to have to turn up his game a notch.

It's easy to pin this on the goalie but it's not exactly an accurate assessment. I'd argue it's more so the team in front of him turning up their defensive zone game a notch or ten. The Jets are giving up way too many shots and way too many high quality scoring chances to their opponents.

Hellebuyck's faced the most shots in the NHL so far this season despite being 5th in games played. (https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2019_leaders.html (https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2019_leaders.html))

Reminds me of the Leafs a season ago, to be honest. We all know how that ended for them once the playoffs started.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 26, 2019, 06:30:59 PM
Didn't hear to many people complaining about his play. But with a few of our top D out he mite have to make 1 or 2 great saves a game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 26, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
Jets lineup for tomorrow....

Laine, Scheifle, Wheeler
Connor, Hayes, Ehlers
Copp, Lowry, Tanev
Perrault, Little, Roslovic

Trouba, Niku
Chairot, Bealiueu
Myers, Kulikov


Reserves: Hendricks, Lindholm, Kiselevich

$10,ooo,ooo fourth line...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 26, 2019, 08:11:00 PM
$10,ooo,ooo fourth line...

who does nothing what a typical 4th line does


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 27, 2019, 02:42:41 AM
C H O K E

Lots of injuries to overcome but a so called stanley cup champ gets it done...not choke it away.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 27, 2019, 02:48:12 AM
Definitely a choke. This is why they got Hendricks, they need his experience, face-off ability, and penalty kill. I'm guessing Roslovic comes out for Hendricks.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 27, 2019, 02:57:39 AM
Dive by Minnesota forward , and the goal should not have been allowed. Crashing the net and pitch forking the goalies glove. . Ref had it right the first time waving it off. jets outplayed them for two periods , but they get a 6-4 late in the third to a questionable call.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 27, 2019, 03:02:47 AM
I agree that the third goal was goalie interference but good teams find a way


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 27, 2019, 04:09:28 AM
I thought we played a pretty good game up until the last 4 minutes. We looked like we ran out of gas. A stupid penalty didn't help.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on February 27, 2019, 01:24:22 PM
The Jets played a fairly solid game for 55 minutes. Got sloppy in the final 5 and particularly on the PK and just after. I was impressed with what Hayes and Beaulieu did for their first game. Hayes had a couple of good chances to shoot, but passed instead. I hope he will take those shots in the future! Friday will be a tough test but I think the Jets will come out on top.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 27, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
A fitting end to an atrocious month.

We need to be at the top of our game in March.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 27, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
A lot of tough games ahead of us.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on February 27, 2019, 05:20:18 PM
A fitting end to an atrocious month.

You can say that again...

October: 7-4-1
November: 7-4-1
December: 11-4-0
January: 8-4-0
February: 4-6-2

Now we're trying to keep ahead of St. Louis as well as keep pace with Nashville.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 27, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
It's been a sickening month for Jets fans. I'm still choked about that loss last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on February 27, 2019, 06:51:55 PM
It's been a sickening month for Jets fans. I'm still choked about that loss last night.

You and me both. Every year there are a couple of games they lose where they should have won. That was one of them.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 27, 2019, 07:08:40 PM
I lost my mind when they tied it and I was forced to negotiate us potentially only getting one point, while giving this Central opponent at least once.

Needless to say, their GWG was a mix of rage and sickness. My dog was scared of me.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 27, 2019, 11:22:18 PM
I realize that things are tough for Maurice and staff with Morrissey, Byfuglien, and Morrow out. But yesterday's game made it clear that Myers and Kulikov are a third pairing.
Myers penalty on Zucker was unnecessary, and Kulikov has to box out and/or tie up the stick better on the third goal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 28, 2019, 12:05:08 AM
I realize that things are tough for Maurice and staff with Morrissey, Byfuglien, and Morrow out. But yesterday's game made it clear that Myers and Kulikov are a third pairing.
Myers penalty on Zucker was unnecessary, and Kulikov has to box out and/or tie up the stick better on the third goal.

So, one shift and they are garbage?  Sigh.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 28, 2019, 12:27:28 AM
So, one shift and they are garbage?  Sigh.

Nah, not saying their garbage. Their good in limited minutes, those end of the game minutes should have gone somewhere else. But again, with the injuries I recognize that things are tough for the coaching staff.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 28, 2019, 01:04:50 PM
I am not a big fan of Kulikov. Third unit D man on the Jet's when there healthy. I like Morrows play when he gets into the lineup. But yes players that normally don't see the big minutes, or are not on the ice late in games will now, and at least until the middle of March.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on February 28, 2019, 04:19:32 PM
I am not a big fan of Kulikov. Third unit D man on the Jet's when there healthy. I like Morrows play when he gets into the lineup. But yes players that normally don't see the big minutes, or are not on the ice late in games will now, and at least until the middle of March.

Kulikov has morphed into my least favourite Jet...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 28, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
For those who dislike Kulikov and Myers, I believe they're both UFA after this season, and will be casualties as we look to manage the Laine and Connor re-ups.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 28, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
I like Myers. He plays well most nights, but is not a teams top D man. He in a bad spot right now.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 28, 2019, 04:48:56 PM
I like Myers. He plays well most nights, but is not a teams top D man. He in a bad spot right now.

I'd love to re-sign him...at a lower rate. I think he's making 5.7 (?)

Something closer to 4 makes more sense IMO. Then again, he's experienced and can move his way around the pairings quite well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on February 28, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
For those who dislike Kulikov and Myers, I believe they're both UFA after this season, and will be casualties as we look to manage the Laine and Connor re-ups.
Myers is a UFA while Kuli (not a fan now & never was) still has a year left paying $4,333,333. per


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on February 28, 2019, 06:36:26 PM
I'd love to re-sign him...at a lower rate. I think he's making 5.7 (?)

Something closer to 4 makes more sense IMO. Then again, he's experienced and can move his way around the pairings quite well.

Myers is at 5.5 (although actual pay is much, much less on his frontloaded contract Buffalo paid him lots up front...)  I'm thinking he will get 4-5 on the open market...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 28, 2019, 07:05:08 PM
Myers is a UFA while Kuli (not a fan now & never was) still has a year left paying $4,333,333. per

My bad then, I thought it was a 2 year contract.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on February 28, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
I don't think Myers will sign for less then 5.5, unless we are talking term and location.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 28, 2019, 08:00:05 PM
Myers has played well for us, but I dislike this tendency he has to try and do too much. It seems like when he gets a point, or close to it, he starts trying to be the driving force behind the offensive attack each time hes on the ice. And that's not his job.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 28, 2019, 08:31:12 PM
When the Jets are healthy Myers is a third pair defencemen, so I doubt that they will re-sign him. They'll use his money ($5.5 million according to capfriendly.com) to re-sign Trouba, and Connor. Myers replacement will probably be Niku and/or Logan Stanley.

Line Combinations from today's practice:

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Hayes-Ehlers
Tanev-Lowry-Little
Perreault-Copp-Roslovic

Beaulieu-Trouba
Chiarot-Niku
Kulikov-Myers


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on February 28, 2019, 10:18:57 PM
When the Jets are healthy Myers is a third pair defencemen, so I doubt that they will re-sign him. They'll use his money ($5.5 million according to capfriendly.com) to re-sign Trouba, and Connor. Myers replacement will probably be Niku and/or Logan Stanley.

Line Combinations from today's practice:

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Hayes-Ehlers
Tanev-Lowry-Little
Perreault-Copp-Roslovic

Beaulieu-Trouba
Chiarot-Niku
Kulikov-Myers

Oh, yeah. Myers is definitely gone next season. Have to start trimming the fat.

This was our last year enjoying the fruits of the ELC?s.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on February 28, 2019, 11:17:08 PM
Oh, yeah. Myers is definitely gone next season. Have to start trimming the fat.

This was our last year enjoying the fruits of the ELC?s.

Let's hope Niku, Vesalainen and Stanley can step up in the near future, and that Appleton and Roslovic are able to work upwards in ice time due to continually improving play.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on February 28, 2019, 11:37:20 PM
Definitely, Chevy and company have done a really good job of drafting and developing. Sami Niku has been groomed in the AHL, and has played in some NHL games. Furthermore he's not a kid, he is turning 23 next training camp so he is ready to go. Same with Logan Stanley, he played out his junior eligibility and is playing with the Moose this year. He will be 21 next training camp.

Up front Appleton (23 years old). will probably take Tanev (UFA this year) spot. And the Jets gave him 30 games of NHL action this year, along with penalty killing time during his last few games before being sent down to the Moose.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 01, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
Definitely, Chevy and company have done a really good job of drafting and developing. Sami Niku has been groomed in the AHL, and has played in some NHL games. Furthermore he's not a kid, he is turning 23 next training camp so he is ready to go. Same with Logan Stanley, he played out his junior eligibility and is playing with the Moose this year. He will be 21 next training camp.

Up front Appleton (23 years old). will probably take Tanev (UFA this year) spot. And the Jets gave him 30 games of NHL action this year, along with penalty killing time during his last few games before being sent down to the Moose.

Tanev's not going anywhere.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 01, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
Comrie called up emergency, I guess one of our goalies has the flu...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 01, 2019, 03:25:25 PM
Comrie called up emergency, I guess one of our goalies has the flu...

Hellebuyck not on the ice for this morning's skate.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 01, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
Hellebuyck not on the ice for this morning's skate.

Has the flu... wonder if he got it from Beaulieu... that would make that trade worse...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 01, 2019, 05:52:16 PM
Tanev's not going anywhere.

I love the way Tanev plays, and I'm pretty sure Chevy and company feel the same way. But with all the shot blocking and the toll on his body Tanev (UFA) HAS TO get paid this summer. Currently he is at $1.15 (CapFriendly.com) million. If he get's an offer of $2 million per year, I believe the Jets won't be able to match because they have to pay Laine, Connor, and Trouba, in addition Wheeler's ($8.25 million per year) extension kicks in next year.

I think the real debate is whether or not Laine can get more money than Wheeler. And if he does, how does he walk into that locker room making more money than Wheeler, and Scheif, when his 5 on 5 game is not even close to complete.

Also, the RFA's on the bubble on are: Morrow, Copp, and Brossoit. Chairot is UFA.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 01, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
I love the way Tanev plays, and I'm pretty sure Chevy and company feel the same way. But with all the shot blocking and the toll on his body Tanev (UFA) HAS TO get paid this summer. Currently he is at $1.15 (CapFriendly.com) million. If he get's an offer of $2 million per year, I believe the Jets won't be able to match because they have to pay Laine, Connor, and Trouba, in addition Wheeler's ($8.25 million per year) extension kicks in next year.

I think the real debate is whether or not Laine can get more money than Wheeler. And if he does, how does he walk into that locker room making more money than Wheeler, and Scheif, when his 5 on 5 game is not even close to complete.

Also, the RFA's on the bubble on are: Morrow, Copp, and Brossoit. Chairot is UFA.


Tanev can easily fit at $2mil... you need the under $3mil players to balance your payroll... anything $2mil and under is great...  if they Extend Myers, I expect Trouba to be traded or allowed to sign an offer sheet...  for $8.12 mil... (compensation 2 firsts, a second and a third....)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 01, 2019, 07:40:25 PM
I love the way Tanev plays, and I'm pretty sure Chevy and company feel the same way. But with all the shot blocking and the toll on his body Tanev (UFA) HAS TO get paid this summer. Currently he is at $1.15 (CapFriendly.com) million. If he get's an offer of $2 million per year, I believe the Jets won't be able to match because they have to pay Laine, Connor, and Trouba, in addition Wheeler's ($8.25 million per year) extension kicks in next year.

I think the real debate is whether or not Laine can get more money than Wheeler. And if he does, how does he walk into that locker room making more money than Wheeler, and Scheif, when his 5 on 5 game is not even close to complete.

Also, the RFA's on the bubble on are: Morrow, Copp, and Brossoit. Chairot is UFA.


I appreciate your opinion but I think that giving Tanev a raise to ~2 mill is perfectly reasonable and workable. As you mention, we get hella value for him as a blocker, speedy guy who can also score and gets under the skin of opposing teams. An Appleton, for example, does not replace what he does.

You used Laine as an example, and his situation is kind of my rationale for why I think we will be able to keep a guy like Tanev. I firmly believe that a bridge is the way to go for him, which means he will make roughly half of his potential future big contract, for a couple of years. I think we can and will use 1 mill of that to re-up Tanev and it would be worth every penny.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 01, 2019, 09:45:25 PM
I appreciate your opinion but I think that giving Tanev a raise to ~2 mill is perfectly reasonable and workable. As you mention, we get hella value for him as a blocker, speedy guy who can also score and gets under the skin of opposing teams. An Appleton, for example, does not replace what he does.

You used Laine as an example, and his situation is kind of my rationale for why I think we will be able to keep a guy like Tanev. I firmly believe that a bridge is the way to go for him, which means he will make roughly half of his potential future big contract, for a couple of years. I think we can and will use 1 mill of that to re-up Tanev and it would be worth every penny.


You guys make some good points. Should be a very interesting summer for Chevy and company. Actually for this team it's all about the playoffs, the playoffs are going to determine the pecking order for all of these RFA's and UFA's.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 02, 2019, 06:06:01 AM
Jets played a great game tonight. The new players are fitting in nicely. Brossoit came up big a number of times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 02, 2019, 05:27:50 PM
Jets played a great game tonight. The new players are fitting in nicely. Brossoit came up big a number of times.

Heck of a game last night. Boys really amped it up in the third. Felt like playoff game.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 02, 2019, 06:20:11 PM
New adds making an impact, new lines gelling already... building on this one game is going to be fun...  off to the road for a week to "bond"..


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 02, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Even when the Jets were down 2-0 I felt the game was so **** entertaining ...... course as we started to score the edge of the seat performance was even more fun
Indeed Hayes (with a nice 3 points last night) & a steady Beaulieux have certainly done their part to keep us competitive.

Lowry is scheduled to have a meeting for his stick swing during the game ........ believe he will get 1 but no more than 2 game suspension.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 04, 2019, 02:04:26 AM
Back to back super star efforts by our goalies ....... great game by HellB tonight
Oh my oh my ........ huge 4 by Wheels


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on March 04, 2019, 03:15:01 AM
Better team then they were 2 months ago.

Just about to start rolling


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 04, 2019, 04:17:16 AM
How about 2 weeks ago.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 04, 2019, 02:09:27 PM
How about 2 weeks ago.

Definitely. The top line is playing much better.

The PK is still kinda ugly at times, though. They need to clean that up prior to the post-season.

Nice to see they've put a really lousy February behind them, anyway.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 04, 2019, 04:51:08 PM
I am also a little concerned about PK.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on March 04, 2019, 06:55:38 PM
The amount of shots given up is very concerning long term..


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 05, 2019, 01:13:38 AM
Only three games in, but very impressed with Nathan Beaulieu.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 05, 2019, 02:25:59 AM
Only three games in, but very impressed with Nathan Beaulieu.

Apparently Trouba asked to be paired with him...  not sure what that says, but 88 has delivered so far... 20 min last night plus some PK time...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 05, 2019, 08:06:12 PM
The amount of shots given up is very concerning long term..

Agreed.
Wheeler in his Columbus post-game comments complimented Beaulieu as well.
https://www.nhl.com/jets/video/postgame--blake-wheeler/c-66551103


If Beaulieu plays up to his first round potential that could mean the end of the Ben Chairot era (UFA this summer).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 05, 2019, 08:31:41 PM
Agreed.
Wheeler in his Columbus post-game comments complimented Beaulieu as well.
https://www.nhl.com/jets/video/postgame--blake-wheeler/c-66551103


If Beaulieu plays up to his first round potential that could mean the end of the Ben Chairot era (UFA this summer).

If he can live up to his first round potential, I'd rather trade Trouba...  ;)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 05, 2019, 08:33:55 PM
If he can live up to his first round potential, I'd rather trade Trouba...  ;)

What a terrible idea.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 05, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
What a terrible idea.

Are we going to be able to sign Trouba as a UFA?  Pretty sure the answer to that is no.  Don't care how much he says he will, it will be Tavares 2.0.  And we will lose him for nothing.  Better to trade him while he's still under control, get more for him. 

But that does leave us with a huge issue... no RH D!  Who'da thunk it when Trouba started his "I don't wanna play LD" when were we so short on LD that we will be down to Buff, Myers, Trouba and Nogier, Kovacevic and Cedarholm in the prospect pool... we are STOCKED at LHD...

Can Morrissey play on the other side?  Or Niku?



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 05, 2019, 09:19:47 PM
Are we going to be able to sign Trouba as a UFA?  Pretty sure the answer to that is no.  Don't care how much he says he will, it will be Tavares 2.0.  And we will lose him for nothing.  Better to trade him while he's still under control, get more for him. 

But that does leave us with a huge issue... no RH D!  Who'da thunk it when Trouba started his "I don't wanna play LD" when were we so short on LD that we will be down to Buff, Myers, Trouba and Nogier, Kovacevic and Cedarholm in the prospect pool... we are STOCKED at LHD...

Can Morrissey play on the other side?  Or Niku?

Well, for one thing, Trouba isn't a pending UFA. He's a pending RFA with arbitration rights (just like last year). If anything, he'll get moved prior to next season's trade deadline if a multi-year contract isn't in the cards.

No way Morrissey moves to the left side. Niku maybe but I won't hazard a guess.

I know your ongoing hate for #8 continues (why that's the case is anyone's guess and he's a huge piece on this team), but try and look at things objectively instead of making nonsensical suggestions and childish comments like Tavares 2.0.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 06, 2019, 03:28:29 PM
Well, for one thing, Trouba isn't a pending UFA. He's a pending RFA with arbitration rights (just like last year). If anything, he'll get moved prior to next season's trade deadline if a multi-year contract isn't in the cards.

No way Morrissey moves to the left side. Niku maybe but I won't hazard a guess.

I know your ongoing hate for #8 continues (why that's the case is anyone's guess and he's a huge piece on this team), but try and look at things objectively instead of making nonsensical suggestions and childish comments like Tavares 2.0.

You really think he wants to sign an 8 year deal here?  He is a very good player, a top pairing defenceman for sure.  To watch him walk away while we wait for him to re-sign would be very, very bad.  So far he's left probably close to $10mil on the table to NOT sign here long term, money he will never recover.  To me, that says a huge amount about his future plans.

I'm not sure why so many people seem to think there is any chance he stays once he's UFA.  Enjoy his play, you won't seem him in a Jets uni in 2021...  hopefully Chevy can pull off another Kane type deal...

Trading him after this season, before arbitration, and getting a decent return on a player that still has control left on him would seem, to me, to be optimizing the asset.  Waiting until he's about to be a UFA, at the trade deadline next year (which weakens the team heading into the playoffs), you are getting pennies on the dollar.  Worse, waiting to the draft next year it might be hard to find a trading partner, because by then he may have already decided on where he's going, and like the leafs with Tavares, they don't need to expend any assets to pick him up.

If he signs long term, great.  I just don't see him doing that... all things considered. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 06, 2019, 04:12:45 PM
Decent 3rd period for the boys but Vasil had the answers against them for most of the game. Tampa sure had their #1 game face on & schooled the Jets most times.

Terribly tough schedule still ahead ....... Buff & Morrissey can't get back fast enough.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 06, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
You really think he wants to sign an 8 year deal here?  He is a very good player, a top pairing defenceman for sure.  To watch him walk away while we wait for him to re-sign would be very, very bad.  So far he's left probably close to $10mil on the table to NOT sign here long term, money he will never recover.  To me, that says a huge amount about his future plans.

I'm not sure why so many people seem to think there is any chance he stays once he's UFA.  Enjoy his play, you won't seem him in a Jets uni in 2021...  hopefully Chevy can pull off another Kane type deal...

Trading him after this season, before arbitration, and getting a decent return on a player that still has control left on him would seem, to me, to be optimizing the asset.  Waiting until he's about to be a UFA, at the trade deadline next year (which weakens the team heading into the playoffs), you are getting pennies on the dollar.  Worse, waiting to the draft next year it might be hard to find a trading partner, because by then he may have already decided on where he's going, and like the leafs with Tavares, they don't need to expend any assets to pick him up.

If he signs long term, great.  I just don't see him doing that... all things considered. 

Of course you don't see it. You made your position on Trouba clear long ago and have never wavered. So, there's a clear emotional bias involved.

Unlike you, I don't claim to have the answers. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, so I won't comment on what his future plans are or what he wants. Obviously, I'd prefer the Jets don't lose him but if they do, I hope the return is as equal as is realistically possible. I also hope he sees the benefit of staying with a team currently in a position to contend for a championship, enjoying a top pairing role against some of the league's best opponents, eating up a ton minutes every game with an excellent partner. This isn't 2016 anymore. A long-term deal (5+ years) at a reasonable salary (~$6M AAV) seems like a no-brainer but that's just me.

He'll end up back at arbitration again this summer if the two sides can't agree to a contract, so he'll be re-signed to at least another year regardless of whatever uncertainty may exist. There isn't an optimal time to move a top pairing defenseman, especially for this team and its current progression. The reality is moving him this summer or at the trade deadline in 2020 weakens the team all the same. The team would be far worse off without him, whether it happens before next season or in late February.

And again, your comparison to the Tavares situation makes no sense - for a number of reasons. The most important being this: Kevin Cheveldayoff isn't an idiot like Garth Snow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 06, 2019, 05:15:49 PM
Of course you don't see it. You made your position on Trouba clear long ago and have never wavered. So, there's a clear emotional bias involved.

Unlike you, I don't claim to have the answers. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, so I won't comment on what his future plans are or what he wants. Obviously, I'd prefer the Jets don't lose him but if they do, I hope the return is as equal as is realistically possible. I also hope he sees the benefit of staying with a team currently in a position to contend for a championship, enjoying a top pairing role against some of the league's best opponents, eating up a ton minutes every game with an excellent partner. This isn't 2016 anymore. A long-term deal (5+ years) at a reasonable salary (~$6M AAV) seems like a no-brainer but that's just me.

He'll end up back at arbitration again this summer if the two sides can't agree to a contract, so he'll be re-signed to at least another year regardless of whatever uncertainty may exist. There isn't an optimal time to move a top pairing defenseman, especially for this team and its current progression. The reality is moving him this summer or at the trade deadline in 2020 weakens the team all the same. The team would be far worse off without him, whether it happens before next season or in late February.

And again, your comparison to the Tavares situation makes no sense - for a number of reasons. The most important being this: Kevin Cheveldayoff isn't an idiot like Garth Snow.

I will agree that Chevy is no Snow... but on the other side, getting something for an asset is essential.  Trouba made it evident he didn't want to be here in every contract negotiation, and in his holdout, and in his request for a trade.  The Jets have acquiesced to his every demand, yet still he prefers a bridge or min term contract at every step. 

https://www.nhl.com/news/winnipeg-jets-defenseman-jacob-trouba-requests-trade/c-282110382

Big reason to not sign long term?  Not being used on the right side.  Well, now he's assured of that for life, because we only have him, Buff and Myers on the R side... so why didn't he sign long term last year?

Sorry if I can't find loyalty to this player.  Love his play (except when he backhands blind to in front of his own net for a non credited assist because they scored, not us), he is definitely elite, and says the team first things when necessary, but it just feels like he is out of here as soon as reasonably possible. 

Maybe we score when someone offers him a huge offer sheet.  That might be the best return we get for him.  Otherwise, an off season trade makes the most sense... you don't want to wait until next trade deadline, when you end up keeping him as an "own rental"... and get nothing back...

Maybe his mind is changing with the success the team is having, and the core that is being built.  But even after the success last year, he still signed a min term deal.

But $6mil / 5 years ain't gonna cut it... he is at $5.5mil on his "bridge" deal... he will find a suitor at $8mil for 7 years without an issue, and probably from a state with no state income tax, making it even worse.  Unlike Wheeler, Ehlers, Scheifele... pretty sure we're not going to see him give a home team discount. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on March 06, 2019, 06:13:32 PM
I personally couldn't trust letting Trouba become a UFA. If he doesn't sign something long term by the early stages of the off-season I would be pushing hard to move him before the season starts. I've got to agree that I would much rather go into the season without him over moving him at the deadline. It's just such a disruptive change to the team that late in the season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 06, 2019, 07:01:06 PM
I will agree that Chevy is no Snow... but on the other side, getting something for an asset is essential.  Trouba made it evident he didn't want to be here in every contract negotiation, and in his holdout, and in his request for a trade.  The Jets have acquiesced to his every demand, yet still he prefers a bridge or min term contract at every step. 

https://www.nhl.com/news/winnipeg-jets-defenseman-jacob-trouba-requests-trade/c-282110382

Big reason to not sign long term?  Not being used on the right side.  Well, now he's assured of that for life, because we only have him, Buff and Myers on the R side... so why didn't he sign long term last year?

Sorry if I can't find loyalty to this player.  Love his play (except when he backhands blind to in front of his own net for a non credited assist because they scored, not us), he is definitely elite, and says the team first things when necessary, but it just feels like he is out of here as soon as reasonably possible. 

Maybe we score when someone offers him a huge offer sheet.  That might be the best return we get for him.  Otherwise, an off season trade makes the most sense... you don't want to wait until next trade deadline, when you end up keeping him as an "own rental"... and get nothing back...

Maybe his mind is changing with the success the team is having, and the core that is being built.  But even after the success last year, he still signed a min term deal.

But $6mil / 5 years ain't gonna cut it... he is at $5.5mil on his "bridge" deal... he will find a suitor at $8mil for 7 years without an issue, and probably from a state with no state income tax, making it even worse.  Unlike Wheeler, Ehlers, Scheifele... pretty sure we're not going to see him give a home team discount. 

How about some more recent and actually relevant information? That article from Sep. 2016 is pretty much obsolete.

Here: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/whats-next-for-trouba-jets-after-arbitrator-decides-on-one-year-5-5-million-deal (https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/whats-next-for-trouba-jets-after-arbitrator-decides-on-one-year-5-5-million-deal)
And here: https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-trouba-carlson-contract/ (https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-trouba-carlson-contract/)

I think at the present time, there are way too many variables and moving parts to really know where the chips are going to fall.

And none of those three players you mentioned there really took a "home team discount" with the Jets. Cheveldayoff played his cards right Scheifele and Ehlers, striking at the right time in either case (coming off ELCs) but especially with Scheifele. Wheeler's extension hasn't kicked in yet and it'll hardly be at a discount when it does.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 06, 2019, 07:47:37 PM
How about some more recent and actually relevant information? That article from Sep. 2016 is pretty much obsolete.

Here: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/whats-next-for-trouba-jets-after-arbitrator-decides-on-one-year-5-5-million-deal (https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/whats-next-for-trouba-jets-after-arbitrator-decides-on-one-year-5-5-million-deal)
And here: https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-trouba-carlson-contract/ (https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-trouba-carlson-contract/)

I think at the present time, there are way too many variables and moving parts to really know where the chips are going to fall.

And none of those three players you mentioned there really took a "home team discount" with the Jets. Cheveldayoff played his cards right Scheifele and Ehlers, striking at the right time in either case (coming off ELCs) but especially with Scheifele. Wheeler's extension hasn't kicked in yet and it'll hardly be at a discount when it does.


Great articles, proving my point that we won't sign him for 5 at $6mil... sounds like he think's he's worth $8+... and based on comparables, he can probably get that, especially if teams continue to spend this offseason. 

Wheeler at $8.2mil AAV isn't a discount?  Really?  Who are his comparables who are getting less? 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 06, 2019, 09:46:17 PM
Great articles, proving my point that we won't sign him for 5 at $6mil... sounds like he think's he's worth $8+... and based on comparables, he can probably get that, especially if teams continue to spend this offseason. 

Wheeler at $8.2mil AAV isn't a discount?  Really?  Who are his comparables who are getting less? 

What an echo chamber.

And you made the claim Wheeler's extension is a home team discount. Go do your own legwork if you want to back said claim.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Colton on March 06, 2019, 09:54:03 PM
Great articles, proving my point that we won't sign him for 5 at $6mil... sounds like he think's he's worth $8+... and based on comparables, he can probably get that, especially if teams continue to spend this offseason. 

Wheeler at $8.2mil AAV isn't a discount?  Really?  Who are his comparables who are getting less? 

I'm not sure how you see $8.25M as a discount for Wheeler. There are only 21 players in the NHL making more than that next year and none of them can be considered comparables. Anyone that comes close to being considered a comparable is making less than he is. I don't think he's overpaid but he in no way is on a discount.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 06, 2019, 10:27:02 PM
Jets PK has been brutal. Outside of Hayes I feel like the other forwards are giving the opposing teams too much time and space. It looks like their playing zone coverage on the penalty kill.
Currently 25th in the league at 78.3%.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 07, 2019, 05:42:12 PM
Well no one should have been paid the other night in Tampa.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on March 09, 2019, 02:07:11 AM
I bet Trouba wants a cup more then anything.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 09, 2019, 02:36:37 AM
Sometimes the Sports Gods just help a team burst out ...... Jets got chances & buried them. Defensively very sound    GREAT WIN


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 09, 2019, 06:41:08 PM
An absolute drubbing in Raleigh last night. The best game I've seen from this team in months.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 09, 2019, 08:47:02 PM
Now I hope we can put together a little winning streak. LB played another very good game in goal for the Jet's.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on March 10, 2019, 12:36:58 PM
Now I hope we can put together a little winning streak.

Agreed. There are a lot of teams surging in the west right now, and this is the time to be doing that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 11, 2019, 12:19:34 PM
Copley had himself a game last night. Although, the Jets didn't get a ton of high quality chances and the powerplay was just pitiful.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 11, 2019, 04:32:37 PM
Copley had himself a game last night. Although, the Jets didn't get a ton of high quality chances and the powerplay was just pitiful.
Quite agreed .......... Jets shut down Caps mostly but could not properly adjust to a Cap defensive style.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on March 11, 2019, 08:13:19 PM
I bet Trouba wants a cup more then anything.
I bet he wants to get paid more than anything.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 12, 2019, 01:09:27 PM
I bet he wants to get paid more than anything.

As he should. He's a top pairing shutdown defenseman who has likely earned a considerable raise.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 13, 2019, 01:59:23 AM
What a brutal finish. Couldn't even muster a loser point... That third period was a stinker.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on March 13, 2019, 09:29:15 AM
Four seconds away from at least a point in the standings. Four...freaking...seconds.  >:( >:(


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 13, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
Doesn't help when your goalie plays a lousy game and Ehlers tries to go full Superman with 15 seconds left. Not smart at all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 13, 2019, 01:09:38 PM
No doubt Hellebuyck needs to be better (he looked shaky at times last night) but I can hardly fault him for the Sharks' fourth and fifth goals. The Jets have been pretty bad in their own end this season, which is a far cry from last season. More odd-man rushes, more medium to high danger scoring chances allowed, and some lousy checking more often than not.

If these issues don't get addressed and fixed, they'll be out in the first round.

Oh, and also helps nothing when the Jets only get 4 SOG in the final 20 minutes.

Analytics breakdown for anyone interested: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20182019&game=21077&view=limited (https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20182019&game=21077&view=limited)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 13, 2019, 02:13:02 PM
The curse of the bobblehead.  Have to stop making those of our team, they should have had a Pavelski bobblehead night last night...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 13, 2019, 02:17:39 PM
The curse of the bobblehead.  Have to stop making those of our team, they should have had a Pavelski bobblehead night last night...

Seriously. I think their only win on Bobblehead Night was back in a meaningless game in April 2016.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 13, 2019, 09:03:12 PM
I am not dropping this all on Nik. Why was the D pinching with 15 seconds left. Also as I said last week Helly has to come up with a big save or two to win game like that.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 13, 2019, 11:01:37 PM
Since Buff has been out, Myers has ramped up his already normal aggressive offensive play, to full, all out unresponsible GO GO GO.
Believe he for one was going all in with Ehlers & others .......... horrible plus/minus night for Ehlers, Hayes & Connor line ....... cumulative -11.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 13, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
I agree, Myers has been way too aggressive, whether it's because of the injuries to Buff and Morrissey or because he's going to be a UFA, but the coaching staff has to got to talk to him. He did the same thing last week against Tampa Bay which led to a two-on-one leading to Tampa's second goal.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 14, 2019, 02:08:53 AM
The Wheeler line also did very little. Need the big line firing on all cylinders in big games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 14, 2019, 04:43:44 PM
I felt that Wheeler's line was too much east-west last game. Wheeler and Laine are big boys they need to take the puck to the net more often.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 14, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
Have not heard of any spy in the stands reports of line or line up changes ....... has anyone ?

If Boston jumps ahead by a couple & nothing is happening on our combos ...... I expect PM to have a plan of juggling, sooner than later.
Hmmmmm, drastic juggle ..... Wheeler with Hayes & Ehlers maybe ....... while perhaps Scheif gets paired with Laine on the right & Connors


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on March 14, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Team isn't the same without Buff. His presence in all situations (5 on 5, PP, PK) is sorely missed. Overhardt (Trouba's agent) shouldn't be asking for Buff money this summer.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 15, 2019, 12:26:43 PM
A much needed win last night. Nice to see Scheifele get out of his funk and put up 3 points. Hellebuyck had a strong game, too.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 15, 2019, 05:17:59 PM
That one felt good. More like what we expect every night from this group.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 15, 2019, 11:32:12 PM
Jets survived the 2nd & came away with a real nice feeling, at least from a fan perspective, win.   A Fun Saturday night is a coming


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 16, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
Only 12 games left - still some tough opponents, tonight included!!

Is there a chance Buffy isn't ready for the playoffs?  That didn't seem like an option but I guess now that reality is possible??

Good thing we are in the weakest division in the NHL - strange how that happened this season...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 16, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
Only 12 games left - still some tough opponents, tonight included!!

Is there a chance Buffy isn't ready for the playoffs?  That didn't seem like an option but I guess now that reality is possible??

Good thing we are in the weakest division in the NHL - strange how that happened this season...

Buffy?  Really?  Not sure you want to call him that...  at least not to his face...

Now her, you can call Buffy...

(https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Buffy-the-Vampire-Slayer-Early-Seasons-Sarah-Michelle-Gellar-i.jpg)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 17, 2019, 05:27:51 PM
Lethargic 1st period ...... Flames are dangerous & hit 3 posts ........ but Scheif scores to put a smile on our faces
Jets kept dumping it in & Smith would control the puck & voila ....... down the ice come the Flames

HellB was the difference ........ super happy for him that a very good effort by him did not result in his usual 3 goals or more scored on ....... WINS A WIN.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 17, 2019, 05:34:40 PM
Jets sign a 2017 Draftee Dman, who will play with the Moose for the balance of the year   Kid was voted his team's MVP

https://www.tsn.ca/jets-d-kovacevic-agree-on-two-year-deal-1.1274808


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 17, 2019, 05:42:38 PM
Lethargic 1st period ...... Flames are dangerous & hit 3 posts ........ but Scheif scores to put a smile on our faces
Jets kept dumping it in & Smith would control the puck & voila ....... down the ice come the Flames

HellB was the difference ........ super happy for him that a very good effort by him did not result in his usual 3 goals or more scored on ....... WINS A WIN.

was at the game last night - first and only of the year.  Thought the Jets D played pretty good too - their PK was great and apart from being caught flat footed on the shorty they controlled the speed of Calgary very well.

If the Jets don't make it far in the playoffs i will be on the Calgary bandwagon for sure if they do..

now the the dreaded LA Kings - one of the worst in the NHL...need to take out some revenge for the loss against them earlier in the season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 18, 2019, 12:08:27 PM
By no means a masterpiece on Saturday, but a win is a win. The only thing I didn't like was that SHG given up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 18, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
was at the game last night - first and only of the year.  Thought the Jets D played pretty good too - their PK was great and apart from being caught flat footed on the shorty they controlled the speed of Calgary very well.

If the Jets don't make it far in the playoffs i will be on the Calgary bandwagon for sure if they do..

now the the dreaded LA Kings - one of the worst in the NHL...need to take out some revenge for the loss against them earlier in the season.

We need to stop losing these types of games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 18, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
We need to stop losing these types of games.

This. It's crazy to think the Jets could be running away with the division title had they not lost games to bottom-feeders this season.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on March 18, 2019, 03:01:10 PM
This. It's crazy to think the Jets could be running away with the division title had they not lost games to bottom-feeders this season.


Ottawa (pause for laughter) beat us twice within the span of a week. 'Nuff said.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 18, 2019, 05:07:36 PM
Ottawa (pause for laughter) beat us twice within the span of a week. 'Nuff said.

And quite handily in the first meeting there. The Habs also handed them their lunch money that same weekend. Even two loser points would've been nice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 19, 2019, 12:37:50 PM
Another non-masterpiece but two points all the same and that Myers' GWG was a beauty. I'll admit I was nervous after the Kings tied it up in the middle frame.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 20, 2019, 12:40:47 AM
Decent defensive team effort & we got the Win.  The Jets live to fight another day ......... wonder if Morrow is ready to get in ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 21, 2019, 03:40:23 AM
Hellebuyck stood tall tonight, especially in the middle frame.

On to Vegas!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 21, 2019, 10:55:14 AM
Went to bed after the second period, really enjoyed waking up to a shut out.

Good on Helle for getting one in before the season ended.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 21, 2019, 06:52:05 PM
Terrific victory for the Jets & a real bonus for HellB in the nature of the shutout.
As of today;   HellB is now 1 of 57 goalies who have recorded at least a single shutout

is itt Brossoit or CH in goal tonight ......... did Kulikov finish the game last night ??   Jets are a team who can & will beat the Knights.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 21, 2019, 06:59:52 PM
Terrific victory for the Jets & a real bonus for HellB in the nature of the shutout.
As of today;   HellB is now 1 of 57 goalies who have recorded at least a single shutout

is itt Brossoit or CH in goal tonight ......... did Kulikov finish the game last night ??   Jets are a team who can & will beat the Knights.

Supposed to be Brossoit and then Helle for Nashville.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 22, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Did not go according to plan.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on March 22, 2019, 12:33:31 PM
Lost to a very good team. Would have been nice to at least get one past Subban.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 22, 2019, 01:16:36 PM
Did not go according to plan.

Glad I gave up on that one after it was 3-0 Garbage Knights. The Jets got their butts handed to them last night.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 22, 2019, 03:58:52 PM
Glad I gave up on that one after it was 3-0 Garbage Knights. The Jets got their butts handed to them last night.

My philosophy once it was 3-0 was to ride it out unless it got to 4-0. Once that happened near the end of the second period, I reached for the remote to turn the TV off and go to bed but the Knights had already made it 5-0 before I could turn it off, so I managed to fail myself somehow.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 23, 2019, 01:25:04 AM
First time for me not finishing & frustratedly not watching past the 7 minute mark of the 3rd. .......... team effort in this loss.

What a terribly tough 16 days to go in schedule ....... the Jets will play 4 at home & then 4 away.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on March 23, 2019, 11:57:14 AM
My philosophy once it was 3-0 was to ride it out unless it got to 4-0. Once that happened near the end of the second period, I reached for the remote to turn the TV off and go to bed but the Knights had already made it 5-0 before I could turn it off, so I managed to fail myself somehow.

Lol!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 23, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
Just win tonight... That's all that matters at this point.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on March 24, 2019, 03:27:48 AM
Great win. Playoff bound. Good night all round.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 24, 2019, 04:41:35 AM
Young Conman shows great finish 3 times ........ does Chevy pay the big bucks to Connors or Laine ??
Nice effort by the Dmen to keep it fairly clean for HellB tonight .......... 2nd shutout so far means a lot for him & the team


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 24, 2019, 05:31:00 AM
Statement win. The Predators were absolutely embarrassed. What an incredible night all-around for the Jets tonight. Connor, Hayes, and Hellebuyck were an unreal trio.

And that forecast for spring is looking great. ;D

(https://jetsnation.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2019/03/Enviro-Canada-Whiteout.jpg)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 24, 2019, 02:22:44 PM
Have to check that the reverse alarm on the Brinks truck is working after that performance by Connor...

It will be interesting to see how much more Connor will garner based on his performance in the playoffs vs. how much Liane might drop.  I'm thinking the budget for the two may be one number, with them sharing it based on what they deliver...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 24, 2019, 03:53:18 PM
Both wingers are going to be paid handsomely this off-season. One game doesn't determine a contract, anyway.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 24, 2019, 07:03:35 PM
Both wingers are going to be paid handsomely this off-season. One game doesn't determine a contract, anyway.

Nope... but this game decided $450k in bonuses for Connor...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 24, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Based on overall year ....... Chevy pays Connor in my mind ...... however, the reality may indeed change before the next season starts.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 24, 2019, 08:26:41 PM
Connor and Liane will be signed, its just whether it will be a bridge or a long term deal...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 24, 2019, 11:04:05 PM
Nope... but this game decided $450k in bonuses for Connor...

And what does that have to do with the next contract?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 26, 2019, 03:20:49 AM
Dallas always pressed & kept the Jets to the outside for most of the shots .......... great compete by Tanev but alas not many won the board battles for the puck.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 26, 2019, 12:12:44 PM
Pretty ugly loss last night. All it took were a few bad shifts in succession and that was that.

This team is just bewildering at times.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on March 26, 2019, 12:18:40 PM
way too inconsistent of a team they will be bounced early in the playoffs


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 26, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Pretty ugly loss last night. All it took were a few bad shifts in succession and that was that.

This team is just bewildering at times.

They were outplayed in the first period...at home, against a potential first round opponent, after a huge win...basically indicative of their entire season - still a great team but inconsistent.  Would not surprise me if they get beat in the first round...or they could make it into final...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 26, 2019, 02:59:09 PM
They didn't come out like a team that needed to win.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 26, 2019, 03:03:57 PM
Connor a very complete player. Right now I give him the edge on PL29.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 26, 2019, 03:14:07 PM
They were outplayed in the first period...at home, against a potential first round opponent, after a huge win...basically indicative of their entire season - still a great team but inconsistent.  Would not surprise me if they get beat in the first round...or they could make it into final...

What's particularly troublesome is the Stars will be likely be the first round opponent. That doesn't exactly bode well when you consider the Jets' struggles on the PK vs. this team, not to mention how poorly they've played the last two times they've met.

Connor a very complete player. Right now I give him the edge on PL29.

How do you mean?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 26, 2019, 06:14:09 PM
While it was a bummer to fall flat against the team we will surely play in the first round, I'm going to maintain that playoffs are just an entirely different beast. While consistency is definitely a problem, I think we're "on" more often than not, which will be a winning combination. It also means we won't win series in 4 or 5 games.

The players play at an entirely different level in April vs on a Monday night after they've already clinched.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 28, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
Buff is possibly (my guess) in the lineup for Sat. vs the Habs ....... that's good       Will Sami Niku be sent to the AHL ....... be good for the Moose.
Rosy still left out of the lineup ....... Hendricks dresses again ........ don't like this.     Ehlers apparently was not on the ice for early skate ........ anyone hear anything.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on March 28, 2019, 09:26:57 PM
Buff is possibly (my guess) in the lineup for Sat. vs the Habs ....... that's good       Will Sami Niku be sent to the AHL ....... be good for the Moose.
Rosy still left out of the lineup ....... Hendricks dresses again ........ don't like this.     Ehlers apparently was not on the ice for early skate ........ anyone hear anything.

Maurice confirmed that Ehlers is in tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 29, 2019, 01:39:51 AM
Wow. 

This team defensively needs buff and morrisey back big time.  Choked away two points at home tonight. 

Brutal


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 29, 2019, 02:08:18 AM
Wooooowww


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 29, 2019, 02:17:56 AM
Terrible, but you could see it coming with about 3 minutes left.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on March 29, 2019, 02:46:56 AM
The roof caved in tonight big time. we need to get Buff and JM back in the lineup soon, and I hope the collapse tonight isn't the shape of things to come in the playoffs. Islanders just took the game over in the late 3rd period


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 29, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
What a disgusting display to end that one.

This team won't do any damage in the post-season if they continue to play like this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on March 29, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
I made a great excuse for Tuesday's awful performance, but I'm at a loss after last night. Heart = shattered.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 29, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
Isles were dominant in the 2nd & the Jets just could not win puck battles for the most part ....... ahead to 3rd & no real adjustment was made by on ice Jets
Result ...... HellB kept them in right to the end .......... MAJOR FAIL by coaches & players.

Desparate, smart hockey has to be played on Saturday & going forward.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on March 29, 2019, 08:05:32 PM
Penalties.  Perrault coming out of the box and getting an immediate return gig.  Myers lean over and knock a guy down in the crease...  just sloppy execution on our part, something they are going to have to tighten up for the playoffs...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on March 30, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Hayes-Laine
Tanev-Lowry-Little
Perreault-Copp-Roslovic

Beaulieu-Trouba
Chiarot-Byfuglien
Kulikov-Myers

Hellebuyck


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 30, 2019, 06:24:54 PM
So nice to have #33 back in the lineup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 30, 2019, 08:46:25 PM
Jets vs Canadiens

Preds vs Columbus


Schedule maker drew it up nicely months ago...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on March 31, 2019, 12:44:34 AM
Another loss...

Maurice can't get his team fired up to secure first place??  This is a problem...big problem

In a nasty mood so it has to be said - time for Bob Cole to retire (it was time 5+ years ago)...he is well past his time for that job


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on March 31, 2019, 03:14:06 AM
Montreal had far to much speed for the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on March 31, 2019, 04:59:59 PM
About 7-8 minutes into the game I texted a friend to say how awful Cole, a longtime fav of mine, was. So I definitely agree that his retirement is long overdue

Definitely coach PM & his staff have not kept pace with preparing & then adjusting the team to meet & beat the competition. Bad luck aside, this team is not well oiled.
IMO during the year .... Buff always is out to long, tough love should have been used on Laine, Wheels & Laine positional play, on PP, is predictable,
D zone is a fire sale much to often, toughness & urgensie along the boards is poor, no real hunger for getting in front of oppositions net.
Not given up ...... just saying the above, with no big reasoning necessary


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 31, 2019, 10:45:01 PM
Montreal had far to much speed for the Jets.

If opponents shut down the Jets' speed, the Jets are seemingly easy to beat. That's not good.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 01, 2019, 06:01:30 PM
$5 for the free whiteout party tickets, because "Winnipegers won't waste $5"...

That's OK, it means they can judge the crowds better, allocate resources better, and give the money to a good cause... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 01, 2019, 07:42:43 PM
$5 for the free whiteout party tickets, because "Winnipegers won't waste $5"...

That's OK, it means they can judge the crowds better, allocate resources better, and give the money to a good cause... 

Winnipeggers are going to go ballistic if they have to spend $5 on anything. Ha


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 01, 2019, 08:00:06 PM

Bartley KivesVerified account @bkives

Unscientific survey of pedestrians on Broadway: there is no problem with paying $5 for a playoff street party, provided the cash goes toward social programming, as promised. Not one person said they wouldn?t pay for it. This sample has no external validity, of course. #nhljets

Bartley KivesVerified account @bkives

One gentleman said he?d be way happier to pay $5 for a street party than he is to pay the carbon tax.



So, there you have it. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 01, 2019, 10:14:15 PM

Bartley KivesVerified account @bkives

Unscientific survey of pedestrians on Broadway: there is no problem with paying $5 for a playoff street party, provided the cash goes toward social programming, as promised. Not one person said they wouldn?t pay for it. This sample has no external validity, of course. #nhljets

Bartley KivesVerified account @bkives

One gentleman said he?d be way happier to pay $5 for a street party than he is to pay the carbon tax.



So, there you have it. 


Prob only be two street parties this year :(


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 02, 2019, 02:10:08 AM
Prob only be two street parties this year :(

Jeez, are you a Bomber fan too?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 02, 2019, 02:27:24 AM
Jeez, are you a Bomber fan too?

Of course.  Just really worried the way the Jets have been playing - almost gave it away again tonight...don't want to face the Blues at all


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 02, 2019, 03:31:20 AM
Man, that was nerve-wracking. That Hayes' GWG was everything.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 02, 2019, 12:02:26 PM
Of course.  Just really worried the way the Jets have been playing - almost gave it away again tonight...don't want to face the Blues at all

Yeah I know, I was making a joke. Your comment sounded mighty like the Bomber threads after Labour Day. Heh.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 02, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
From the presser after...


Mike McIntyre @mikemcintyrewpg

#NHLJets coach Paul Maurice on Kevin Hayes scoring the OT winner: "It?s really good. Especially because the coach was screaming at him to get off the ice for about 30 seconds until he went down and scored. So I love the confidence." #wfp



Gotta love Maurice...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 02, 2019, 05:18:05 PM
The money should go towards paying for the street party first and then the City/Jets, Province, can do what they want with it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 02, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
Would have been nice if PL could have ended it on the break away in OT.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 02, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
Would have been nice if PL could have ended it on the break away in OT.

I would've been much happier with a clean regulation win. Not that the extra point to the Hawks matters, but a more convincing win last night would've been nice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 02, 2019, 06:47:35 PM
I would've been much happier with a clean regulation win. Not that the extra point to the Hawks matters, but a more convincing win last night would've been nice.

Pretty sure I'm not the only one that said "Oh crap, here we go again" when Chicago tied it up with more than two minutes to go.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 02, 2019, 07:36:53 PM
Pretty sure I'm not the only one that said "Oh crap, here we go again" when Chicago tied it up with more than two minutes to go.

It was looking like the Islanders game all over again. Up by two goals in the midpoint of the final period and the end result is us getting 0 points.

However, that extra hustle and dare I say desperation they finally showed last night made the difference.

Win out, and you are forgiven for last week! lol.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 02, 2019, 09:25:57 PM
The money should go towards paying for the street party first and then the City/Jets, Province, can do what they want with it.

The money is being donated because you would need to charge double that or more to actually pay for the street party, and no one would pay for that.  The only reason to charge anything for the duckats is that they need actual numbers to plan for.  And they want people that WANT to go to get the tickets, not idiots that reserve 8 and never show.  So, to make it more palatable to the public, the proceeds are being donated.  100%.  No one is making money off this.

Except, of course, the street vendors...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 02, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
Let's go Comrie!!  Big test playing against a motivated Minny team!!

A win will eliminate the Wild from playoff contention- essentially ending their season for the second straight year..


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 02, 2019, 11:48:54 PM
Poor Comrie in that first one...second and third he should have stopped IMO...for sure the third

Jets top players can't seem to buy a goal.

Be nice to fight back in this one and show themselves they can score and come from behind


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 03, 2019, 02:27:20 AM
Comrie shouldn't have played. They should be playing their best goalie especially against Minnesota.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 03, 2019, 12:07:15 PM
Comrie shouldn't have played. They should be playing their best goalie especially against Minnesota.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact Hellebuyck played in a hard fought game the night before.

Running your starting netminder into the ground right before the playoffs makes total sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 03, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
Comrie shouldn't have played. They should be playing their best goalie especially against Minnesota.
I'm not a Comrie fan, but given the injury to Brossoit and the fact that was game 2 of a back-to-back, we had no choice.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 03, 2019, 12:47:21 PM
Goalie choice aside - our top players are not producing goals - huge problem.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on April 03, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
Agreed. If either our #1 or 2 goalies is in, we win this game. Shows the importance solid netminding plays on a teams performance as you could tell the jets were a frsustrsted team, but we ll be alright, When Helley s in we re a different team and we miss Morrissey more than people think.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on April 03, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
Agreed. If either our #1 or 2 goalies is in, we win this game. Shows the importance solid netminding plays on a teams performance as you could tell the jets were a frsustrsted team, but we ll be alright, When Helley s in we re a different team and we miss Morrissey more than people think.

I dunno about that, 1 goal generally doesn't win you hockey games...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 03, 2019, 01:16:49 PM
Agreed. If either our #1 or 2 goalies is in, we win this game. Shows the importance solid netminding plays on a teams performance as you could tell the jets were a frsustrsted team, but we ll be alright, When Helley s in we re a different team and we miss Morrissey more than people think.

Comrie was certainly not stellar but for a team with so much firepower, we appear to not have brought ammunition.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 03, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
I'm done making excuses for the past few weeks but I think it is important to note the uniqueness of our schedule the last while. The Jets have played very desperate teams, not that it's an excuse to take our foot off the gas:

Games after the Nashville blowout:

3/25: Dallas- L. Had not clinched at the time, with many prospective wild card teams circling in.
3/28: NYI- L. Good game for 50 minutes then a disgraceful collapse and we couldn't even escape with a loser point.
3/30: Montreal- L. Were and still are fighting for their playoff lives, hovering right on the line.
4/1: Chicago- W (OT). Were not yet eliminated and were playing to stay in the hunt. Should have buried them like NYI with a late 2 goal lead but allowed them to take a point to not get mathematically eliminated.
4/2: Minnesota- L. See Chicago, except we were never in the game.

Again, not an excuse, but the other half of us just not playing close to where we need to be is the opponents we've faced are all wounded animals fighting off the wolves. Ergo, I guess we can hope that when all becomes equal next week on game one of the playoffs, we are on the same page of desperation as Dallas/Nashville/St. Louis.

Keyword is "hope"...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 03, 2019, 03:14:05 PM
Agreed. If either our #1 or 2 goalies is in, we win this game.

LOL

No. Or did you miss the 4 other games vs. the Wild this season? The Jets lost them all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 03, 2019, 05:49:43 PM
Not sure if Comrie was the right call up... or how calling up one of the other goalies might affect their contracts / futures.  Comrie has been the #1 goalie in the AHL this year, but he's been struggling of late...

Really don't like what that game has done for his potential trade value...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 04, 2019, 08:33:15 PM
Back to back games on the road are tough to being with never mind OT the first game of the back to back.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 04, 2019, 10:04:29 PM
Couple tickets on ProLine with the Jets on both as clear winners .......... player's meetings may clear the air but performance on the ice wins games  GO JETS GO

Tanev sent home for an evaluation ...... sure was having a good year
Copp, who is at an outstanding +21, goes back with Lowry & Little ...... Lindholm draws back in with Rosy & Perreault
CORRECTION:
Just 20 minutes before puck drop, I hear on 1290 TSN Radio that Lowry will center Lindholm & Roslovic
...........  Little will center Laine & Copp ............... Hayes to center Ehlers & Perrault while Scheif's line is intact

WOW ....... PM is throwing the spaghetti against the wall tonight.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 05, 2019, 02:43:30 AM
Garbage OT

The collapse continues - first place has slipped away and may not be seen again


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 05, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
first place has slipped away and may not be seen again

Apparently the "First in Central!" chant at the end of the last Nashville game was a little premature. Stupid karma...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 05, 2019, 12:58:57 PM
Apparently the "First in Central!" chant at the end of the last Nashville game was a little premature. Stupid karma...

I, too, have been thinking back to that chant since that game two weeks ago. Oh how na?ve we were to think this group could take the bull by the horns and take control of their own destiny when it was handed to them on a silver platter.

Now we need help from other teams to get first and - get this - actually win our own game!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 05, 2019, 01:20:29 PM
Now we need help from other teams to get first and - get this - actually win our own game!

If we had gotten at least one point in both the San Jose and New York Islander games that we gagged away in March, we would now be in control of our own fate.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 05, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
If we had gotten at least one point in both the San Jose and New York Islander games that we gagged away in March, we would now be in control of our own fate.

Yeah, those two games came to mind for me too. There were numerous comments on Twitter yesterday about the Jets not having a killer instinct. I think that sums it up perfectly and losing the OT points in those games are just two examples of this. They are playing to not lose, not to bury their opponents. So disappointing after last season to see this.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 05, 2019, 02:32:10 PM
Yep, I have not forgotten the games like SJ and NYI where not only did we squander leads but managed to somehow go home without a single **** point.

Kind of a weird way to look at it, but we have among the fewest OTLs in the league. Obviously if you get to OT you want to win, but it's sort of a crapshoot with the 3-on-3 and shootout, so you hope to get 50% of those potential wins. The point is, this shows that we couldn't even get to overtime to grab that single point. It's one thing to struggle against an opponent and somehow escape with a point, but it feels like more often than not, for the Jets, we control the scoreboard and then let the leads slip away from us and go from a "guaranteed" 2 points to none at all.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 05, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
The Avalance were offside on their first goal. There was no need for Byfuglein to send the puck in the middle like that in OT.

BUT this team is young and is still growing. This group made it to the playoffs for the first time last year and finished in the final four, and this year the team has had a bullseye on it's back. Through the year the Jets game has been gradually getting better. Lessons from the San Jose, Minnesota, and New York Islander games are valuable lessons moving forward.

The regular season is the opportunity for them to continue to improve their overall game i.e. More North-South, crashing the net, active sticks, breaking the cycle consistently etc. Ultimately the success of this season will depend on the playoffs and not on winning the Central division.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 05, 2019, 05:03:43 PM
The Avalance were offside on their first goal. There was no need for Byfuglein to send the puck in the middle like that in OT.

BUT this team is young and is still growing. This group made it to the playoffs for the first time last year and finished in the final four, and this year the team has had a bullseye on it's back. Through the year the Jets game has been gradually getting better. Lessons from the San Jose, Minnesota, and New York Islander games are valuable lessons moving forward.

The regular season is the opportunity for them to continue to improve their overall game i.e. More North-South, crashing the net, active sticks, breaking the cycle consistently etc. Ultimately the success of this season will depend on the playoffs and not on winning the Central division.

True.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 05, 2019, 05:06:46 PM
The Avalance were offside on their first goal.

Not true.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 05, 2019, 05:34:55 PM
The Avalance were offside on their first goal. There was no need for Byfuglein to send the puck in the middle like that in OT.

BUT this team is young and is still growing. This group made it to the playoffs for the first time last year and finished in the final four, and this year the team has had a bullseye on it's back. Through the year the Jets game has been gradually getting better. Lessons from the San Jose, Minnesota, and New York Islander games are valuable lessons moving forward.

The regular season is the opportunity for them to continue to improve their overall game i.e. More North-South, crashing the net, active sticks, breaking the cycle consistently etc. Ultimately the success of this season will depend on the playoffs and not on winning the Central division.

It wasn't offside

This is not the first year the jets made the playoffs - the group changes every year but this is Maurice's third trip to the playoffs.

They have not been playing better as the year went on

All teams learn - we need to learn better and faster than our opponents - hasn't been happening. 

You are correct about the measure of success though - finishing first does have some advantages though and it looks like those are slipping away because of some really bad efforts in games thay should have won. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 05, 2019, 06:21:52 PM
2nd trip to the playoffs with this group. This is a young team, steep learning curve, you have to be patient.

Still don't believe Barrie had possession of the puck (1:36 minute mark)

https://www.nhl.com/jets/video/postgame--paul-maurice/t-277437442/c-67496503


(3:29 mark) https://www.nhl.com/jets/video/wpg--col/t-277437442/c-67496903


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 05, 2019, 08:41:22 PM
I think finishing second might be better. The hot teams are in the wild card .I'd rather play Nashville or St.Louis. no matter who you play all teams are about even. I don't see any advantage .only team I wouldn't want to play in the first round is San Jose . San Jose likely to play Colorado. Could be an upset if that's the matchup.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 06, 2019, 12:12:41 PM
San Jose likely to play Colorado.

San Jose will be playing Vegas in the first round.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 06, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
San Jose's goaltending has been unreliable ....... take Vegas to win


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 06, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
I think finishing second might be better. The hot teams are in the wild card .I'd rather play Nashville or St.Louis. no matter who you play all teams are about even. I don't see any advantage .only team I wouldn't want to play in the first round is San Jose . San Jose likely to play Colorado. Could be an upset if that's the matchup.

St Louis would be the tougher matchup IMO. They have made an incredible run and have a bunch of confidence.  Nashville scares me the least...all will be a challenge especially the way the jets have been playing.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 07, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
St.louis will be tough. I think most series will go seven games. Could be some upsets first round. Even Toronto playing Boston  Toronto could be out first round . Jets get past first round then they could go far . Get the first round and could get easier.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 07, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
I still can't believe the Jets couldn't win the Central. Man, that just stings.

Should be a great first round vs. the Blues, though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 07, 2019, 01:26:51 PM
Round 1 #stlblues⁠ ⁠ vs #NHLJets
Gm 1 in WPG: Wed April 10- 7pm
Gm2 in WPG: Fri April 12 - 830pm
Gm3 in STL: Sun April 14- 630pm
Gm4 in STL: Tues April 16- 830pm
Gm5 in WPG : Thurs April 18 - TBA
Gm 6 in STL: Sat April 20- TBA
Gm 7 in WPG: Mon April 22- TBA


Play-by-play: Dave Randorf; Game Analyst: Louie DeBrusk; Reporter: Scott Oake


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 07, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
I still can't believe the Jets couldn't win the Central. Man, that just stings.

Would have if they?d held on for five more seconds against San Jose. Not the end of the world, but that?s gonna sting for a while.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 07, 2019, 07:05:12 PM
I still can't believe the Jets couldn't win the Central. Man, that just stings.

Should be a great first round vs. the Blues, though.

yah it sucks but nothing can be done about that now...focus on the Blues - tthe first 2 at home, steal one in St. Louis and close it out at home (or some other combo)...Can't lose both at home though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 08, 2019, 12:00:49 AM
Let's try to find the positives, Jordan Binnington is 6'1 compared to the monster Ben Bishop at 6'6. Bishop is better puck handler.
Should be a good series.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 08, 2019, 12:11:07 PM
Would have if they?d held on for five more seconds against San Jose. Not the end of the world, but that?s gonna sting for a while.

I can think of around 10 games the Jets should've had this season. But even in the last month, the losses to the Sharks and to the Islanders basically made the difference.

yah it sucks but nothing can be done about that now...focus on the Blues

You're absolutely right. It just bites that the Jets could've ran away with the division title this season had they been more consistent.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 08, 2019, 12:36:00 PM
Does anyone have access to the Free Press, in particular Mike McIntyre's article about things stinking in Jetsland? Seems to be some speculation that there are major issues in the locker room. I'm curious as to what he wrote. Hopefully they get their **** together for the playoffs...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 08, 2019, 12:42:38 PM
Does anyone have access to the Free Press, in particular Mike McIntyre's article about things stinking in Jetsland? Seems to be some speculation that there are major issues in the locker room. I'm curious as to what he wrote. Hopefully they get their **** together for the playoffs...

GLENDALE ? Maybe it was watching Connor Hellebuyck smash his stick in half over the crossbar after getting scored on by a teammate during Thursday's morning skate in Denver.

Perhaps it was Dustin Byfuglien breaking his lumber on the boards that night after Jacob Trouba stayed on for an entire two-minute power play, leaving the veteran Winnipeg Jets defenceman glued to the bench and likely seething over coach Paul Maurice's refusal to put him back on the top unit.

Later, Byfuglien was caught completely out of position on the overtime winner by Colorado, and apparently carried his anger over into the room following the game, a source told me Friday.

Speaking of which, maybe it's the obvious tension felt every time you enter the room these days, especially in the wake of a lengthy, players-only meeting earlier this week in Minnesota which should be setting off alarm bells, and seemingly did little to calm the waters.

Or the repeated cancelled skates and media availabilities, the latest coming Friday here in Glendale. That's the third one this week alone, as ones on Wednesday and this past Sunday were also axed in favour of off-ice meetings; a strange tactic, indeed, for a team that sure looks like they could use a practice or two

Whatever the case, I have no hesitation in saying that something is wrong in the state of Denmark right now, to quote Shakespeare, and I have no doubt the famous playwright would have loved what's going on with the Jets, given his obvious fondness for all things dark and tragic.

Yes, things appear to be rotten to the core with this team in a way that goes beyond the often lethargic, uninspired play we?ve seen on the ice far too many nights lately.

The exact details of what is going on within the dressing room remain a mystery, just as what went down in that 23-minute closed-door meeting Tuesday night will likely remain inside the room. And while I'm not about to start feeding the rumour mill, both myself and fellow Free Press hockey writer Jason Bell have heard from multiple sources that things are anything but rosy with this group, and it's obviously having an impact.

The Jets appear to be as fragile as it gets, the latest example being Thursday night's game in Colorado in which they almost predictably turned a 2-0 lead into a 3-2 overtime loss, leaving them with just one win in the last six games and a below .500 team over the past two months, truly limping to the finish line of the regular season with only Saturday night's final game against Arizona left before the spotlight really starts to shine.

The latest defeat likely prevented them the first-ever division title in franchise history, and might end up also costing them home-ice advantage in the opening round of the playoffs, which begin next week.

There is no urgency being shown, and players almost seemed resigned to their fate right now. There's no joy to be found. Even the morning skates looks sloppy, such as the one at Pepsi Center Thursday where even the most basic, five-foot passes seemed to be a struggle. There was not a lot of pace, passion or chatter, just a going-through-the-motions type of feel to it all.

I suggest the Jets are at a fork in the road, where things can go one of two ways: either they author one heck of a redemption story, seemingly coming back from the dead and going on the lengthy playoff run that many, including myself, predicted when the season began, or else this really is the beginning of the end, and we?ll all be looking back at this past week as where it all came unravelled on their way to a quick and certainly painful post-season exit.

With that being said, I'm here to suggest there's at least one glimmer of hope on the horizon: enter Josh Morrissey, who just might be able to save this stumbling squad from itself.

The smooth-skating, top-pairing shutdown defenceman with plenty of offensive punch is working his way back from a shoulder injury ? suffered here in Arizona during a Feb. 24 game courtesy of a Vinnie Hinostroza hit ? and is expected to be ready in time for the playoffs.

His presence on the ice is sorely missed. The Jets are 10-11-1 without him this season and 36-19-4 with him, but I believe his most valuable contribution might come in ways that can't truly be measured.

Morrissey is a future captain and without a doubt one of the most intelligent, well-spoken players not just on the team, but in the NHL. It's no coincidence he won the Western Hockey League's scholastic player of the year award in 2013 while playing for the Prince Albert Raiders.

I believe Morrissey should already be wearing an "A" on his sweater, but those are currently occupied by Mark Scheifele and Dustin Byfuglien. I would encourage Jets management to re-visit that issue as early as this summer. It's clear all was not well on that front anyways when general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff felt the need to go out and re-acquire 37-year-old Matt Hendricks at the trade deadline, apparently at the urging of his existing leaders.

In hindsight, that alone should have been a red flag that something was amiss with this group.

At 24 and now in his fourth pro season, Morrissey has the respect of the whole room and represents a bridge between the older core on the team such as captain Blake Wheeler, Bryan Little and Byfuglien ? who almost never speaks publicly despite it normally being part of the job description ? and the next generation of stars including Patrik Laine, Nikolaj Ehlers, Kyle Connor and Jack Roslovic.

He's got one more year left on his contract before signing what will likely be a long-term extension with the club. 

We've already heard this week talk from Wheeler about a lack of maturity in the room and a need to get everyone on the same page and pulling the rope in the right direction, presumably rather than against each other. Troubling signs, indeed.

Maybe, just maybe, Morrissey's pending return might bring a calming influence to what appears to be a pretty combustible situation right now. It may be a lot to ask of a young player coming off a major injury, but I have no doubt he's up to the task

Morrissey is a natural born leader. The question is, are many of his teammates prepared to follow him? 

We're about to find out. If they don't, things are about to get a lot more heated around these parts.

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Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 08, 2019, 12:49:19 PM
Pretty scathing information, whether it's accurate or not. On the plus, however, the Jets did play a nice enough game on Saturday to close out the regular season. Hopefully, that's something off of which the team can build going into what should be a bruiser of a series this Wednesday evening.

I hope Morrissey's return lights a fire under this team. Heaven knows they need to play with more of it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 08, 2019, 01:13:51 PM
The exact details of what is going on within the dressing room remain a mystery, just as what went down in that 23-minute closed-door meeting Tuesday night will likely remain inside the room. And while I'm not about to start feeding the rumour mill, both myself and fellow Free Press hockey writer Jason Bell have heard from multiple sources that things are anything but rosy with this group, and it's obviously having an impact.

Love the bolded part. "I don't want to start a rumour, but here's a rumour..."

While I don't deny something is up with the team, he's no better than the other columnists (not actual reporters) out there.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 08, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Thanks Blue or Die. Interesting take on things for sure. I have no doubt that there is something amiss, but whether or not it's what Mike McIntyre is speculating at, who knows. There was a comment from Maurice on Byfuglien being upset about not getting out for the powerplay where Trouba was out the whole time. He mentioned that Buff was frustrated about players taking shifts that are too long, ie Trouba. Next game, Coach commented on how players had shorter shifts which was what they wanted to see. This is ONLY a speculation on my part, but based on that comment and watching Trouba's shifts, I wonder if he is part of the issue...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 10, 2019, 02:32:30 AM
Thanks Blue or Die. Interesting take on things for sure. I have no doubt that there is something amiss, but whether or not it's what Mike McIntyre is speculating at, who knows. There was a comment from Maurice on Byfuglien being upset about not getting out for the powerplay where Trouba was out the whole time. He mentioned that Buff was frustrated about players taking shifts that are too long, ie Trouba. Next game, Coach commented on how players had shorter shifts which was what they wanted to see. This is ONLY a speculation on my part, but based on that comment and watching Trouba's shifts, I wonder if he is part of the issue...

Well, then there?s this from Josh Morrissey:

"We're a tight knit group in here ...  It doesn't matter what people outside the room have to say. We're excited to prove people wrong and - most importantly - prove to ourselves that we can win and do what we've been working towards all year."

Whatever is being speculated or whatever may be true, I just want the team to play like they did against the Preds a few weeks ago. They do that, and they?ll be unstoppable- until Tampa Bay meets them at least.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 10, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
Well, then there?s this from Josh Morrissey:

"We're a tight knit group in here ...  It doesn't matter what people outside the room have to say. We're excited to prove people wrong and - most importantly - prove to ourselves that we can win and do what we've been working towards all year."

Whatever is being speculated or whatever may be true, I just want the team to play like they did against the Preds a few weeks ago. They do that, and they?ll be unstoppable- until Tampa Bay meets them at least.

Not worried about Tampa. Presidents Trophy curse.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 10, 2019, 08:02:23 PM
Few hours away from "playoff showtime" ........... Laine needs to score, Ehlers "must not" repeat last years zero goal tally, Scheif has to be a faceoff winner.

GO JETS GO


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 11, 2019, 01:52:02 AM
Outplayed in the third period - badly

Binnington is the real deal - he is going to win them this series

Enstrom > Kulikov

Sheif needed to raise that puck

Hayes was invisible

Our one PP was a joke

I predict we lose on Friday 3-0


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on April 11, 2019, 01:52:37 AM
And Laine scores but no one else.  A long way to go but not sure this will end well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 11, 2019, 03:01:38 AM
Another bunk third period costs this team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: In Motion on April 11, 2019, 04:13:12 AM
I'm still optimistic. That was a good, hard-fought game which could have gone either way.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 11, 2019, 04:34:08 AM
Didn't finish on the great chances & then we hoped for a lucky bounce at least ....... but alas Binnington was the difference maker.

If Tanev draws in on Friday ....... I think Lindholm should stay in the lineup & Rosy take a seat in the pressbox


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on April 11, 2019, 12:32:19 PM
We're in some trouble I think.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on April 11, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
I'm still optimistic. That was a good, hard-fought game which could have gone either way.


I'm disappointed because I was actually feeling optimistic going into the game and we played really well for 2/3's of it.

Another third period collapse has me worried though.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 11, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
Certainly this has to change in next game's action ....... Scheif nearly scored to tie it up near the end.

That was Scheifs only shot on goal. In fact our centres were very disturbingly quiet shot wise.
Scheif & Little had just a single shot each while Hayes & Lowry did not record a shot ...... only 2 total for 4 players.

THAT terribly low assault on the opposition from centers, will not win many games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 11, 2019, 02:20:34 PM
Now that the sadness has worn off, I'm not that worried. I actually liked most of our game, and we will win a few against them. No way this goes in 4 or 5 like some have predicted.

We need to have a 4-0 lead going into every third period, though. Or, you know, maybe learn to hold onto and build a lead? I will have a heart attack going into every third period with this team.

Very exciting game IMO and I expect to win Friday.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on April 11, 2019, 02:26:49 PM
Certainly this has to change in next game's action ....... Scheif nearly scored to tie it up near the end.

That was Scheifs only shot on goal. In fact our centres were very disturbingly quiet shot wise.
Scheif & Little had just a single shot each while Hayes & Lowry did not record a shot ...... only 2 total for 4 players.

THAT terribly low assault on the opposition from centers, will not win many games.

I think Scheifele is injured or something is up with him anyway. He's been non-existent down the stretch and not very noticeable in the playoff game. He's a -11 since January and has 12 goals in his last 31 games. If you look at his 5 on 5 goal production, he's only got 7 goals since January 1, 2019.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 11, 2019, 07:33:18 PM
A hot goalie stole game one.  Morrissey in his first game back, was pretty meh.  There were lots of hopes and expectations on this game, Laine came out flying and then disappeared back to his typical game of late.  We missed a couple of glorious opportunities and made Billington look better than he is.  It will get better, for sure.  Now we need to win one in St. Louis...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 11, 2019, 08:06:37 PM
IMO Jets didn't play a full 60...again. First two periods and the first five minutes of the third were good but when St. Louis started to push Jets couldn't handle it. Jets have to play with more grit and intensity for a FULL GAME.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 12, 2019, 01:47:06 PM
A hot goalie stole game one.  Morrissey in his first game back, was pretty meh.  There were lots of hopes and expectations on this game, Laine came out flying and then disappeared back to his typical game of late.  We missed a couple of glorious opportunities and made Billington look better than he is.  It will get better, for sure.  Now we need to win one in St. Louis...

What a useless backhanded comment. He played better than several other players on Wednesday night. Where's your criticism of them, either in game 1 or down the stretch?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 12, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
What a useless backhanded comment. He played better than several other players on Wednesday night. Where's your criticism of them, either in game 1 or down the stretch?


He was amazing in the first period, and ok in the second, but to me, he seemed to disappear in the third.  That's is my comment.  There were a lot of players that did not show up for the bell in game one, I hope that going over the tape, they see that and make amends tonight...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 12, 2019, 05:02:57 PM
He was amazing in the first period, and ok in the second, but to me, he seemed to disappear in the third.  That's is my comment.  There were a lot of players that did not show up for the bell in game one, I hope that going over the tape, they see that and make amends tonight...

So, you choose to single him out and make no mention of the supposed leaders on this team who didn't show up at all. Makes sense.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 12, 2019, 09:18:56 PM
So, you choose to single him out and make no mention of the supposed leaders on this team who didn't show up at all. Makes sense.

The players that did not show up at all is a different story than Laine who lit the spark and then snuffed out.  His performance, had he kept the foot on the gas, could have set the tone for the series.  Instead, I personally went from "We're going to sweep the Blues" at the end of period one, to "Can we win a game" at the end of period 3... Laine personally pumped up the initial thought, and also caused my trepidation at the end...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on April 13, 2019, 01:07:34 AM
The jets had better wake the heck up , they are playing undisciplined boneheaded hockey?sheifle and kopps  cross checks from behind penalties will burry us!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 13, 2019, 03:25:08 AM
Hellybuck - not his best game, the game winner was weak

Hayes - still invisible...useless

Par lindholm sure seemed to get a lot of ice time

I fear the season is done for the Jets. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on April 13, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
I think you are right. They are playing like a bunch of spoiled brats, they get all pissed off when someone hits them, and that?s what playoff hockey is all about. All these cheap retaliatory penalties are complete garbage, and sheifle constantly whining to the refs reminds me of Gretzky, sickening.

Man up boys or your playing golf within the week!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 13, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
They don't play their positions .they leave st.louis wingers all alone to break out. They should pick up their man. They run around too much. The coach doesn't seem to have a system. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 13, 2019, 01:11:38 PM
And taking stupid penalties. Cc retain players like scheiffke stay away from hitting and play smart. If we need him checking from behind or crosschecking means we aren't skating


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 13, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
When Craig Berube is outcoaching your team you know you are in trouble.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 13, 2019, 05:37:43 PM
When Craig Berube is out coaching your team you know you are in trouble.
Kinda like this thought/viewpoint
Also agree that the Jets struggle playing away from the puck. Blue's players are much to often having free space to get in position
Sadly, IMO, Morrissey has only been average,   Hayes had another lame game. If one were to judge by shots alone, then he has been below par with ZERO shots recorded in 2 games.  Most definitely the bad decisions by Scheif cost us his time in the penalty box.
HellB has been awkward & at least 3 goals in the 2 games were his to normally stop.

On the plus ....... Chiarot is a keeper, Lindholm is a nice surprise & the Jets battle well for 50 minutes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 13, 2019, 06:14:39 PM
When Craig Berube is outcoaching your team you know you are in trouble.

Considering Berube's team has the best record over the past few months, and we backed into the playoffs, it this unexpected?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 13, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
Jet's played a good game. Helly let in 2 or 3 weak goals.

I agree that Hayes has done nothing.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 13, 2019, 09:54:45 PM
The 4th goal was weak but the team defense is poor. The Jets are giving up way too many quality scoring chances. On the first goal Morrissey tried to stand on the blue line, so either he was wrong to pinch or the forward was too lazy to cover (which led to a two-on-one). On St. Louis second goal, two Blues were left wide open in front of the net, on the replay its shows Wheeler leaving the front/house area to chase the puck carrier who is already being covered by a Jet defender.  On the third goal Wheeler and Scheifele needed to stay on the ice and clog up the middle until their team mates could change. By going off that opened up the middle of the ice for the St. Louis Blues defenceman to fire the puck up the ice and have a clean three on two.

Whenever the Jets cross center the Blues players are backchecking, can't say the same about the Jets forwards.

I agree with the posts that the Jets players are being bratty with their unnecessary parade to the box, they have to play a more mature and structured game. Perhaps this is a lesson the team needs to learn to be contenders moving forward.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 14, 2019, 12:31:10 AM
I agree the Jets don't back check. They can't make the 3-1 3-2 so easy. Going on the road they probably change it up a bit usually play smarter . Cant take penalties helebuyck doesn't like to be questioned about a bad game . Too bad broisoit wasn't back . Easier to yank him.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on April 14, 2019, 02:45:19 AM
.....and there it the issue the Jets simply may not be good enough to beat the Blues.  Going to St. Louis 2 games down - losses at home yet - is not what a good team does in the the playoffs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 14, 2019, 07:54:29 AM
Tampa was the best team in the league this year by a mile and they lost both games at home.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 14, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
Well I guess we will see what this team is made of - gotta see some urgency and crisp play.

I sense they are often trying for the perfect top corner shot - put some pucks on net and see what happens - Bennington may let in some weak ones...

At any rate GOT is on tonight so I will have a decent distraction if the jets come up short again. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 14, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
From Mike McIntyre:

These appear to be the #NHLJets lines tonight:
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Little-Laine
Copp-Lowry-Tanev
Perreault-Hayes-Roslovic
NO changes on the blue-line, so...
Morrissey-Trouba
Chiarot-Byfuglien
Kulikov-Myers
Only lineup change is Perreault in for Lindholm.

Pretty sure Kevin Hayes wasn't acquired at the trade deadline for a 1st-round pick and Brendan Lemieux with the idea that he'd be on the 4th line for the #NHLJets, but here we are.





Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 14, 2019, 11:20:30 PM
Great start to the period - quality shots put st Binnington then the Jets let them walk in on the PP and rip one past Helly...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 15, 2019, 12:37:53 AM
Terrible clearing attempt by Little on a phantom hooking call


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 15, 2019, 12:42:58 AM
Tanev - that dude has so much energy!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 15, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
What a goal by Buffy!!  All Tanev again!!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 15, 2019, 02:36:13 AM
A very good 60 minute game for the Jet's. The Blue's tried to play our game, it didn't work for them. Binnington was human tonight.

Our 1st. line played like a 1st. line tonight. Liane plays better with Little. Hayes came to play tonight.

Love to see Ehlers/Taney/ Connor, together on a couple of shifts. The speed of that line would be amazing.

Two bad goal by the Jet's. Twice in a row we couldn't clear the on the PK. Buff backing in on Helly.

Nice win.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 15, 2019, 12:01:22 PM
Amazing game. I slept well.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 15, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
What a win last night. The Binnington Wall finally crumbles!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 15, 2019, 02:51:18 PM
Well, Laine played most of the game, and played well.   I think the Little/Laine/Ehlers line needs to remain intact for the rest of the year.

Buff, oh Buff, this is what we needed game one.  The Buff.  Tough Buff.  No Guff Buff.  IN your face, in front of the net, and finish your "check" Buff.  Sandpaper Buff, Under Your Skin Buff.  The Buffinator.

This game was 80% Buff.  Sure, there was a lot of life off the start, but when Buff "facewashed" Bin, things got heated, and Bin knew what was coming, and started hearing footsteps.  When Buff banked it in off Binny's Bean, the game had changed.  Not only did it frazle the goaler, not only did it get St. Lou worked up to the point of making mistakes, it gave the rest of our team confidence.  If Buff can score from behind the goal line, banking it in, then everyone knew they could get a biscuit past the Binner. 

Thursday whiteout tickets on sale... 15C high, low of 0C...  get there early and pregame while its warm out...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 15, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
Got my whiteout party tickets for Thursday! A win and a party would be a helluva way to kick off a long weekend  8)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GCn18 on April 15, 2019, 05:08:20 PM
Well, Laine played most of the game, and played well.   I think the Little/Laine/Ehlers line needs to remain intact for the rest of the year.

Buff, oh Buff, this is what we needed game one.  The Buff.  Tough Buff.  No Guff Buff.  IN your face, in front of the net, and finish your "check" Buff.  Sandpaper Buff, Under Your Skin Buff.  The Buffinator.

This game was 80% Buff.  Sure, there was a lot of life off the start, but when Buff "facewashed" Bin, things got heated, and Bin knew what was coming, and started hearing footsteps.  When Buff banked it in off Binny's Bean, the game had changed.  Not only did it frazle the goaler, not only did it get St. Lou worked up to the point of making mistakes, it gave the rest of our team confidence.  If Buff can score from behind the goal line, banking it in, then everyone knew they could get a biscuit past the Binner. 

Thursday whiteout tickets on sale... 15C high, low of 0C...  get there early and pregame while its warm out...

Buff was still not 100% when he returned. He had a long term leg injury and those take the wind out of your sails until you get back in game shape. I think he's starting to feel good now. Watch out St. Lou.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 15, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
Buff was still not 100% when he returned. He had a long term leg injury and those take the wind out of your sails until you get back in game shape. I think he's starting to feel good now. Watch out St. Lou.

That's certainly true but I would chalk this up to sheer frustration by this team for losing their home ice advantage (x2) and now having played the Blues for 3 games in a row in a high stakes playoff setting, boiling over into aggression. Aggression is exactly what was needed and will be needed to dig ourselves out of this series.

Buff should be crashing the net and forging a grand 'ol friendship akin to his with Bobby Lou in the early 2010s.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 15, 2019, 06:45:43 PM
Time for Laine to have another St. Louis 5 goal game... is the score and win still going?



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 15, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
Always a good thing when you use your noggin ....... thanks Binn ........ Buff was truly aggressive & I was impressed with Little's overall performance
Laine's cupping of Trouba's pass, immediate control, calmness in a blink of an eye & then the finish, was truly impressive.

Overall invigorating play, detail to picking up your check, getting up after being knocked down & taking the air out of the Blue's fans was well done & terrific

Chiarot took a couple of bad hits & I'm concerned if he's a go for Tuesday


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 15, 2019, 10:27:35 PM

Chiarot took a couple of bad hits & I'm concerned if he's a go for Tuesday

Agreed, but I think Chiarot has to find a way to play this Tuesday. Firstly, the Jets have depth at defence they could plug in Beaulieu, or Niku. Secondly he's a UFA this summer.

A 60 minute effort by the Jets and they won. Keep up the consistent play and good things will happen.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 17, 2019, 03:46:20 AM
Not worried about Tampa. Presidents Trophy curse.

QFT.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on April 17, 2019, 03:46:53 AM
Jets win.  Series tied 2-2.  Coming back home.  I'll take it!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 17, 2019, 04:20:57 AM
I?m still trying to settle my nerves after this game. I yelled so loud at the winning goal that my voice is raw. Ah, sports! Huge game on Thursday and I like our chances due to how the team is playing. And Helly was solid!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 17, 2019, 09:10:36 PM
Jets played with a lot more structure in the two games in St. Louis. Very little running around out of position, fun to watch those games.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 17, 2019, 10:29:38 PM
Jets played with a lot more structure in the two games in St. Louis. Very little running around out of position, fun to watch those games.

Nailed it ......... plus added feature of some BIG hits by Laine ........... however, Perrault has to stop going into the Pen


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 18, 2019, 12:27:28 AM
In the first two games in Winnipeg the Jets were giving up a lot of time and space in the neutral zone. Looks like they're now playing a 1-3-1 trap in the neutral zone.

Offensively they've been more willing to dump and chase as opposed to making foolish turnovers at the Blues blue line. And they're low to high, and cycle game has been sharp.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 19, 2019, 02:06:59 AM
What the flip was that?

Standing around in your own end waiting for OT??

What a joke


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on April 19, 2019, 02:15:04 AM
Up 2 to zip.  At home.  A real chance to take control of the series. And they blow it.  Loss for words.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 19, 2019, 02:18:37 AM
What the flip was that?

Standing around in your own end waiting for OT??

What a joke

Trouba just holding the puck along the wall. Fire the ******* puck out of the zone! I am so sick and tired of feeling dread at the start of the third period. Way too many blown leads and losses coming in the third. That, I feel, is it for the team. It will be extremely hard to beat STL on Saturday. Need an Easter miracle at this point...,


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 19, 2019, 02:53:03 AM
WHAT THE ******* **** WAS THAT


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 19, 2019, 02:56:15 AM
Trouba just holding the puck along the wall. Fire the ******* puck out of the zone! I am so sick and tired of feeling dread at the start of the third period. Way too many blown leads and losses coming in the third. That, I feel, is it for the team. It will be extremely hard to beat STL on Saturday. Need an Easter miracle at this point...,

And trouba took the penalty at the end of the second too..

4:00 power play that did nothing

They had ample opportunity to win that game and failed...season done on Saturday


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2019, 01:16:13 PM
There was a few guys that did have there best game. In the third we looked like we were just trying to hang on to the lead.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 19, 2019, 04:45:08 PM
Trouba just holding the puck along the wall. Fire the ******* puck out of the zone! I am so sick and tired of feeling dread at the start of the third period. Way too many blown leads and losses coming in the third.


Very frustrating watching this team in the third period, there was very little sustained offensive zone pressure . In fact there times where the Jets could barely get the puck to the red line and make a line change. At some point you have to dig deep and want it, win those 50/50 battles on the boards and behind the net, forwards come down low and when they get the puck skate hard to get up the ice.

Playoff hockey is a man's game.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 19, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
I haven't decided if I will watch tomorrow's game yet.  That might be it for hockey...weather is nicer - lots of stuff to get done around the house.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 20, 2019, 01:04:23 AM
I think there will be a game seven. Jets didn't play well in that third period.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2019, 01:22:31 PM
I haven't decided if I will watch tomorrow's game yet.  That might be it for hockey...weather is nicer - lots of stuff to get done around the house.

You'll watch it. I was so pissed off after that loss on Thursday and said I was done with hockey. But I'll watch it.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 20, 2019, 09:59:56 PM
It took me a couple of days to get over the last game. I don?t have a great feeling about tonight?s game going in our favour but I?ll still watch. The TV might be on mute the whole time but if it?s a good game and our last one I want to watch it. If things go sideways I?ll probably do something else. Here?s to a happy ending for Game 6! Buckle in!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 20, 2019, 11:46:17 PM
You'll watch it. I was so pissed off after that loss on Thursday and said I was done with hockey. But I'll watch it.

Haven't turned on yet and from what I am seeing on Twitter they don't deserve my time....Paul maurice May be overrated...

Can't play the "these guys are young" card.  Something is rotten with this team.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: ModAdmin on April 21, 2019, 01:00:49 AM
Well....simple fact this team is not good enough.  Maurice has had a few kicks at the can now and to be knocked out in the first round after what seemed to be a pretty stellar season is disheartening. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: pjrocksmb on April 21, 2019, 01:25:25 AM
Jets need to retool


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 21, 2019, 01:35:24 AM
Well....simple fact this team is not good enough.  Maurice has had a few kicks at the can now and to be knocked out in the first round after what seemed to be a pretty stellar season is disheartening. 

Maurice had a pretty lacklustre roster when he took over. He?s now had a top talent roster for a couple of years and this season was a regression and there are no more excuses. Not just being eliminated in round one, but more so how the team played since the Christmas break. The wheels started coming off at that point and then haphazardly put back on, only to come off again. His refusal to split up Scheifele and Wheeler is a head scratcher. Keeping Byfuglien off the number one PP unit for way too long, also a head scratcher. Nice guy but I think this team needs a massive shakeup by way of a coaching change. Also, good riddance to the 57-5 pairing.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 21, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
He played ehlers even though he was hurt   . Game six and elimination game and we don't play anyone from the farm team .like Appleby. They made some bad trades near the end of the year. The roster had all the names but he played the same players  Maurice stays with the same coaches. Our system is predictable. We play in the corners too much. But they tried. Like to see a coach willing to bring in younger players . Hellebucyk played good the rest of the team couldn't keep up.  Round 2 would have been fairly easy in my opinion but doubt very much go any further than that . Didn't test their goalie at all. Binnington will be lit up if they play Dallas and definitely if they meet Vegas.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 21, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
Blake wheeler telling Paul freisen to F off because of this (in my few very fair question):

The question: "An elimination game, you guys probably expected your best. What happened?"


Not the standard of a professional athlete - that wouldn't fly in the NFL


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 21, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
Winnipeg just didn't do enough at the trade deadline. Other teams got better. We did not. Hayes ended up on the fourth line. Last year Paul S. was a solid second line center, and Morrow played some good minutes.

In two years Elhers has done nothing in the playoffs.

The Blue's are a good solid two way team, with a good goalie, and will probably win the second round also.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 21, 2019, 03:55:03 PM
We lost to the hottest team in the league in 6, we won most stat catagories. 

There were bad calls both ways, but not having a challenge for that second goal killed us.  We would have had a chance had that been reversed, and it would have.  I get using a challenge early to stop the Blues from getting the first goal, but it really wasn't a 50/50 shot, it was a hail Mary... and should not have been used.  Bad coaching there...

I really think the eye in the sky (with a goalie in the room) needs to be able to overide obvious missed calls, especially on plays like that. 

We should not have been in a position to need a single goal to win a series, but there are definately moments that change a series, and that was one. 

Now we will find out who was actually hurt and how bad.  Laine seemed to be less effective the last few games, and Ehlers was a ghost the last game for sure.  But I wouldn't be surprised to hear some other players getting surgery / treatment now...

Sad to go out early this year, after what they did last year.   Next year there will be some missing players, and some new to replace them.  Will be interesting to see what they can do.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on April 21, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
The Trouba/Morrisey blunder at the end of game 5 summed up our efforts completely?we were playing to not lose not playing to win. We played tentative if not scared at some points and often got muscles off the puck. Teams have figures the jets out. We have some speed in connor, tanev and eilhers but those very players are often muscled off the puck. And where the heck were our so-called ?good? players??

 Your best players need to be your best players and sheifle, wheeler and laine were not that at all. I turned the game off when the shots were 28-6 as I thought helleybuck was the only one in the lineup who earned his pay cheque. No doubt changes are coming as a first round bouncing, especially the way we were man handled ,  is unacceptable


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 22, 2019, 12:06:05 AM
The Forecast For The Summer


With the first round exit I don't think Laine, Connor, and Trouba will be able to hit a home run in their contract negotiations. Connor and Laine were -7 and -24 for the regular season. Trouba and Connor were both minus in the playoffs.

The last third of the season and playoffs games 1,2 and 6 made it crystal clear to me that this team needs to drop the man to man neutral zone coverage and start trapping. In games 3 and 4 the Jets ran a 1-3-1 and won both games, and looked good doing so. In the first two periods of game five they ran a 1-1-3 and held a two nothing lead going into the third period.

To get to the next level you have to take away speed in the neutral zone, Barry Trotz brought Washington the Cup last year by doing so and swept the Sidney Crosby led Pens with the Isles this year, Torts beat the Lightning with the 1-2-2. No more free ice, and space. Jets have lots of talent, but the mentality has to be more defensive/structured moving forward. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on April 22, 2019, 01:39:07 AM
You hit the nail on the head. We have very little defensive structure. Being outshot 28-6 vs St. Louis was an embarrassment and proved our coaching staff is out of touch with the current defensive schemes used. You can?t tell me trotz or Hitchcock couldn?t take this team deep into the playoffs. We ll see what the winds of change bring


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 22, 2019, 01:46:57 AM
Every goal should be reviewed in the playoffs.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 22, 2019, 01:09:10 PM
We were outcoached badly.  Same system almost like Claude Noel. Dump it in give up the puck then go after it. Watching Vegas and San Jose the forwards and defenseman move the puck towards the middle and they shoot every chance they have. We look pass it around the boards or back to the point. Only 3 opposition players in front of their net no jet jersey near. They were afraid to confront the other teams defense. . Connor deserves whatever he really wants only player with know how and what to do with the puck . Jets were lucky to make as many points as they got. Management isn't good enough. They have no idea how to put a team together. They bring in a big forward yet they are a team supposedly built on speed. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 22, 2019, 05:12:40 PM
Realization of being out of the playoffs truly hit home today, listening to portions of the TSN Radio show this a.m..     Terrible distaste.

Turns out Ehlers sustained a fractured foot during game 5 but mgt. let him play (cough, cough) game 6.  Sadly this young man again laid an egg, in back to back seasons, for goals during the playoffs. Also a big ZERO for points in those 6 games. We can ewe & awe about this man's speed & dipsy doodle abilities but IMO, he's a hard teammate to play with.
Hayes was okay in my opinion in relation to many others on the team but along with Ehlers - expect them to be moved.
Laine apparently had back issues during year & then compounded by groin problems for the playoffs ...... definitely his production & below average compete was a detriment to the team after his 18 goals in a dozen game run.
What does Chevy do with the back issue info for contract negotiations & does Laine get a long term or a bridge ?
Was it bad coaching, i.e. they were predictable in their system ? ..... rift in the dressing room, i.e. perhaps that is why Hendricks gets picked up by Chevy ?

Off season work for Chevy, 15 of the 23 man roster are due new contracts.    Will Trouba be kept ?  What does Connor get paid ?  Can we dump Kulikov in order to keep Chiarot ?
Should Buff be moved to free up his $$.?   Who deserves the bigger raise Tanev or Copp ?    Is Sami Niku valuable on the Trade Market ?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 22, 2019, 06:31:15 PM
Time to start making predictions for the opening night roster for 2019. One of the forwards will definitely be gone to make room for Kristian Vesalinen (6'3 Winger, 1st round pick 2017).


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
So, we won just about every statistic on the series, every game was a nail biter, against the team that has the best record since Christmas.  Laine had back and groin issues, Ehlers a broken leg, Tanev a broken finger, who knows who else was injured... but they were outcoached...



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on April 22, 2019, 06:47:40 PM
So, we won just about every statistic on the series, every game was a nail biter, against the team that has the best record since Christmas.  Laine had back and groin issues, Ehlers a broken leg, Tanev a broken finger, who knows who else was injured... but they were outcoached...



Our record sucked down the stretch cause??  Schedule??  Excuses, excuses - our coach couldn't prepare them

The ehlers injury just happened

Tanev's finger is minor

Who knows what injuries the Blues had?

We were clearly outcoached, out motivated and out played - lots of that is on Maurice . 

All the teams in the playoffs are good and games will be close - that is expected, there is no victory for winning the stats battle


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 22, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
they were blaming the schedule for the central division. well Chicago won cups and st.louis I think is in our division. Other teams are really going, I| guess they prepared for the playoffs. They work together they all know where everyone is , Jets run around in both ends of the ice. They played a new winger Lindholm instead of Appleton . they screwed with the lineup. When most of our starters were hurt we were winning regular season games , coach didn't figure that one out or why. We were on a 5 game winning streak with about 3 starters out and playing hard but he went back to his veteran roster


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on April 22, 2019, 08:33:55 PM
Our record sucked down the stretch cause??  Schedule??  Excuses, excuses - our coach couldn't prepare them = Not really true if u listen to what Wheeler had to say. PM is close to being one of the best coaches of all time and his record proves that...  he knows how to win. I think what Wheels said about how hes a 11 year vet and understands how hard it is to win was somewhat lost on some of the younger guys. He brought up last year and was kinda saying maybe they just expected to win all the time. And he moreless put that on him not PM.

The ehlers injury just happened = Broken leg and they way he was talking....  if they won hed prolly not play again this year ...  just didnt say it.

Tanev's finger is minor= required surgery     is that minor?

Who knows what injuries the Blues had?= how many of them missed lots of time since december?

We were clearly outcoached, out motivated and out played - lots of that is on Maurice . = Again....  Its up to the players to play as we say in all sports and thats pretty much what Wheels said.

All the teams in the playoffs are good and games will be close - that is expected, there is no victory for winning the stats battle= Sometimes it can be.....  we wernt blowin out of the games ...  we lost because sometime the effort wasent there at times and guys got lazy. Teams like Tampa and the Flames were blowin out in games.


 


We wont see many changes....  Huddy i can see going and a few players but i bet this team will moreless stay intact. Still one of the top 5 youngest teams in the league with a huge amount of wins over the last 2 yers. Its not being blowin up.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 22, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
Winnipeg just didn't do enough at the trade deadline.

That's absurd. The team did less last season.

"Winning the trade deadline" doesn't necessarily dictate success in the post-season. And just because Hayes ended up on the fourth line in the playoffs doesn't mean acquiring him was bad. Maurice's blender antics seem random at best sometimes.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2019, 05:45:30 PM
Players that should be back with the team.

- Laine
- Connor
- Chiarot
- Tanev
- Copp
- Morrow

 Maybe: Myres, Trouba, Brossoit.  If we can can fit them into he cap.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Stretch on April 23, 2019, 06:27:26 PM
Players that should be back with the team.

- Laine
- Connor
- Chiarot
- Tanev
- Copp
- Morrow

 Maybe: Myres, Trouba, Brossoit.  If we can can fit them into he cap.


So in other words, pretty much all of our FA's aside from Kevin Hayes.  ;)

I think we'll end up losing Tanev and Myers. That buys us a bit of space for Laine's and Connor's raises. Beyond that, who knows.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on April 23, 2019, 07:47:59 PM
Players that should be back with the team.

- Laine
- Connor
- Chiarot
- Tanev
- Copp
- Morrow

 Maybe: Myres, Trouba, Brossoit.  If we can can fit them into he cap.


My predictions:

Laine gets a 6 year contract
Connor gets a bridge deal (or could be Laine bridge deal, Connor longer term deal)
Chiarot, Tanev and Copp re-signed to either one or two-year deals
Myers will sign somewhere else. He will expect too much and the Jets can't give that.
Trouba- I think he's traded at the draft
Brossoit will be tough to keep because he wants more playing time and he's not going to get that in Wpg. This would be a scary loss...
Morrow, Hayes, Kieslevich all gone
Beaulieu signed to a 1 or 2 year deal
Lindholm 1 year deal

Wish: Kulikov traded or bought out and then maybe Myers could be kept for a 2-year deal. But...highly unlikely. I would also love to see an extension happen for Morrissey, especially if Myers and Trouba are gone. Get him locked up long term!




Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 24, 2019, 02:12:25 AM
I really hope they show Tanev some love here, I'm sure he's going to get some attention from other teams.

Package Kulikov and Trouba... ;)

Brossoit had a great year, not sure he's going to get a better opportunity elsewhere though.

Buff, Morrissey, Kulikov and Niku under contract... I'd love to get Beaulieu and Myers back, and Poolman up... 

The forwards will work themselves out...  Hayes or Lindholm at the right price, sure... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 24, 2019, 02:59:01 AM
Trouba will be harder to sign then Myers. Both at 5.5M right now.
I agree trade Kulikov. Morrow and Beaulieu would be nice to have. However Beaulieu is at 2.4M right now.
Sign Connor first and bridge Liane.
Tanev is a must as far as our team speed.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 24, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
Connor to a longer term
Laine to a bridge
Used saved $$ from the predicted $10M x $10 years or whatever for Laine to re-up Tanev, Copp and Chiarot
Comrie is not ready and Brossoit is a great backup. Try to give him ~$1.8M for a one year deal to truly establish himself and wait for an inevitable starting job somewhere in 2020/21
Myers to UFA
Kulikov I would love to trade but he's overpaid and we would have to sweeten the deal with a DP to get him off our hands
Trouba to the Red Wings on draft day for Detroit's first rounder (hey, I can dream!)


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 24, 2019, 03:53:32 PM
I can't see giving Tanev his full value as long as Perrault is here (2 more years)... 



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 24, 2019, 04:34:20 PM
I can't see giving Tanev his full value as long as Perrault is here (2 more years)... 

What do you think his value is? I think he would accept and that we could afford a substantial raise to get to 2 to 2.5M a year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on April 24, 2019, 05:29:05 PM
What do you think his value is? I think he would accept and that we could afford a substantial raise to get to 2 to 2.5M a year.

He's going to get $3mil+ on the open market I would guess... if Perreault is over $4mil, I can't see Tanev valued at half that...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 24, 2019, 05:55:05 PM
I could see the Jet's signing Tanev to a 2/3 year deal at around 3 - 3.5 M.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 24, 2019, 06:23:11 PM
I can't see giving Tanev his full value as long as Perrault is here (2 more years)... 

I'd rather have Tanev than Perreault.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 24, 2019, 07:15:29 PM
Presently we have a miniscule 3 picks out of the 7 Rds at this years Draft ........ we start at Rd 2, then 4th & 5th Rds. & blanked in the final 2 rounds.
That's a BIG YIKES in my mind.   Of our starting Dmen ..... Myers & Chiarot both are UFA's & Trouba an RFA ...... who can we sign or trade ??
I'll say Trouba & Myers both get traded for which we get back at least one Top 4 Dman &/or a Top 6 center, plus some other bodies & perhaps Draft slots.
Trouba should be dangled, along with Perrault (salary dump) & Eric Comrie (cuz he's a very good minor league goalie) to the Rangers, who have the 2nd overall pick ..... landing that slot (pick Kakko) & also get Dman Brady Skjei, top 4 Lefty makes $5,250,000. for the next 5 seasons & also ask for bottom 6 forward Jesper Fast, who can kill penalties.  
If we can trade Matty Ice Perrault there may be a chance that Tanev is affordable.

That leaves Myers (who I hope we can keep) & Chevy ..... get rid of Kulikov


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 24, 2019, 07:35:19 PM
He's going to get $3mil+ on the open market I would guess... if Perreault is over $4mil, I can't see Tanev valued at half that...

I could see the Jet's signing Tanev to a 2/3 year deal at around 3 - 3.5 M.

Tanev is a good player but he is a value player. The > 3 mill number is overvaluing him IMO.

Perreault was signed as a top 6/9 at the time and is a seasoned veteran. He is being overpaid currently.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 24, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Presently we have a miniscule 3 picks out of the 7 Rds at this years Draft ........ we start at Rd 2, then 4th & 5th Rds. & blanked in the final 2 rounds.
That's a BIG YIKES in my mind.   Of our starting Dmen ..... Myers & Chiarot both are UFA's & Trouba an RFA ...... who can we sign or trade ??
I'll say Trouba & Myers both get traded for which we get back at least one Top 4 Dman &/or a Top 6 center, plus some other bodies & perhaps Draft slots.
Trouba should be dangled, along with Perrault (salary dump) & Eric Comrie (cuz he's a very good minor league goalie) to the Rangers, who have the 2nd overall pick ..... landing that slot (pick Kakko) & also get Dman Brady Skjei, top 4 Lefty makes $5,250,000. for the next 5 seasons & also ask for bottom 6 forward Jesper Fast, who can kill penalties.  
If we can trade Matty Ice Perrault there may be a chance that Tanev is affordable.

That leaves Myers (who I hope we can keep) & Chevy ..... get rid of Kulikov

How can we trade Myers if he's a UFA?  ???

And I will hold out that we can trade Trouba (and possibly another piece) for a first rounder on draft day to a team that thinks they can sign him long term.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 24, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
The player, such as Myers ...... officially becomes a UFA upon expiration of his NHL contract at midnight of June 30th beginning July 1st.
So I'm just expecting that Chevy will move any UFA out & get a return prior to the end of June 30th.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: dd on April 24, 2019, 10:01:56 PM
I'd rather have Tanev than Perreault.
In a heartbeat. I think Tanev is one of the most under rated Jets we have, his speed opens up the ice big time. Perreault, I could live without if push came to shove between the 2.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 24, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
The player, such as Myers ...... officially becomes a UFA upon expiration of his NHL contract at midnight of June 30th beginning July 1st.
So I'm just expecting that Chevy will move any UFA out & get a return prior to the end of June 30th.

Why would any team give up any assets for a pending UFA?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on April 24, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Why would any team give up any assets for a pending UFA?

Agreed.

I believe that the Jets defensive roster for opening night will look like this:

Trouba, Morrissey
Byfuglien, Niku
Beaulieu, Kulikov    Extras: Poolman, Stanley* (Jets may keep Stanley on the farm to save money on the cap and only call him up on an emergency basis)

Chevy will outmuscle Kurt Overhardt and get Trouba's name on a long term contract for the following reasons: the Jets early playoff exit, the Power Play slipped from 1st to 5th in Byfuglien's absence, ditto for the penalty kill (7th to 21st), and during Buff's absence (January to late March) the Jets struggled to be a .500 club.

Myers is gone because the Jets need money to resign other players (i.e. Connor, Laine). Poolman is younger and cheaper than Morrow, and Chevy drafted him.

I like Chairot but I think they'll keep a puck moving defencemen like Beaulieu over him. Also the Jets have Logan Stanley (6'6, 1st round pick from 2016, he will be 21 years old when training camp starts) ready if they need more physical play. Since Beaulieu couldn't crack the top six when Morrissey returned, Chevy should be able to resign him for less than his current salary of $2.4 million. Jets have to save money somewhere, and Chairot isn't taking a pay cut.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on April 24, 2019, 11:10:18 PM
Presently we have a miniscule 3 picks out of the 7 Rds at this years Draft ........ we start at Rd 2, then 4th & 5th Rds. & blanked in the final 2 rounds.
That's a BIG YIKES in my mind.   Of our starting Dmen ..... Myers & Chiarot both are UFA's & Trouba an RFA ...... who can we sign or trade ??
I'll say Trouba & Myers both get traded for which we get back at least one Top 4 Dman &/or a Top 6 center, plus some other bodies & perhaps Draft slots.
Trouba should be dangled, along with Perrault (salary dump) & Eric Comrie (cuz he's a very good minor league goalie) to the Rangers, who have the 2nd overall pick ..... landing that slot (pick Kakko) & also get Dman Brady Skjei, top 4 Lefty makes $5,250,000. for the next 5 seasons & also ask for bottom 6 forward Jesper Fast, who can kill penalties.  
If we can trade Matty Ice Perrault there may be a chance that Tanev is affordable.

That leaves Myers (who I hope we can keep) & Chevy ..... get rid of Kulikov



Rangers aint trading the 2nd pick.   Pretty sure they have never got a top 3 pick. Ever


going on a limb here but i think some of these guys will make deals friendly to the team. They are young and are close to something big here. They can get huge deals later in life. After winning something.

Im going to think some of these players are looking at other teams with guys that have huge contracts at young age get nothing. Your contract may be huge but you really get nothing but the money. McDavid and others.

When the Hawks were winning Chevy was there as an assit GM and had a hand in building that. Keeping guys cap friendly to the team so they can hold Cups.

Guys like Schief, Wheels, Ehlers, Buff all have pretty sound contracts safe to the team. I beleive this will follow in the room.

Money will always be there....  But a solid chance to hold the Cup is not.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2019, 07:13:09 PM
I don't think Chairot is going anywhere. I think Kolikov will be moved before they let Chairot walk. Stanley or Poolman will be with the Jet's next year. That training camp battle will be interesting. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on April 26, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
I don't think Chairot is going anywhere. I think Kolikov will be moved before they let Chairot walk. Stanley or Poolman will be with the Jet's next year. That training camp battle will be interesting. 

That would be the ideal scenario, yes, but Kulikov has an untradeable contract unless he is used as a piece where the trading partner takes more from us from another piece to "take him off our hands".

I'm a big Chiarot fan and would be sad to see him go.

Would love to see Stanley make the big club. I've heard he's progressing quite nicely but I'm not sure if he's NHL-ready yet.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on April 26, 2019, 09:11:25 PM
Agree that Kulikov would most likely be a throw in in order to alleviate salary cap struggles ......... really hope Chiarot (love his booming shot) is kept.
If Myers & Trouba leave .........then Morrissey (has a quiet shot) & Buff are our offensive keys
......... not a big fan of Niku as a top NHL performer & so not expecting a lot ....... so I do hope another Top 4 Dman shows up some how.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on May 01, 2019, 06:22:19 PM
I heard an interesting discussion on 1290 this morning that suggested a pathway with the Laine and Connor situations.

The popular opinion is that Laine underwhelmed and so should be signed to a bridge to avoid a huge cap hit and allow him more time to earn his worth, while Connor has already exceeded expectations and so we should lock him to a long term deal, especially before he starts to score 40 regularly.

The suggestion I heard was the exact opposite. Get Laine's autograph on a long deal that's actually cap friendly compared to what it would be if he scores 50 a year, and bridge Connor, who perhaps will always be a 30-35 goal guy and therefore has a known worth that might not jump much after a bridge.

Either way it's obviously a gamble.

Thoughts on this sort of backward suggestion?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jesse on May 01, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
I heard an interesting discussion on 1290 this morning that suggested a pathway with the Laine and Connor situations.

The popular opinion is that Laine underwhelmed and so should be signed to a bridge to avoid a huge cap hit and allow him more time to earn his worth, while Connor has already exceeded expectations and so we should lock him to a long term deal, especially before he starts to score 40 regularly.

The suggestion I heard was the exact opposite. Get Laine's autograph on a long deal that's actually cap friendly compared to what it would be if he scores 50 a year, and bridge Connor, who perhaps will always be a 30-35 goal guy and therefore has a known worth that might not jump much after a bridge.

Either way it's obviously a gamble.

Thoughts on this sort of backward suggestion?

I think the team would love any opportunity to sign up to a team-friendly deal. I think his camp wouldn't touch it, however.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on May 01, 2019, 10:53:09 PM
Signing a bridge favours Laine's camp, because chances are he is going to get better, so lock him in now and that would give the Jets cap certainty moving forward. Connor is playing well, same thinking lock him in because chances are he is only going to get better.

The Jets did the same thing with Scheifele and Ehlers. Jets highest paid (according to capfriendly) forward is Wheeler at $8.25 million, and the highest paid defencemen is Byufuglien at $7.6 million.
Jets win if they sign both to long-term deals.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on May 05, 2019, 03:57:09 PM
They need to find defenseman who don't get caught up the ice .good teams don't give up as many breakaway chances like the Jets give away. They traded away draft choices . The big salary players didn't come through. Need to build the team up from the middle. Signing these players same outcome . They draft ok then trade players they drafted. Coaching needs to be adjusted. Always playing the high salary players. When the starters were out the team was winning because they played as a team


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
Stone or Hayes. Stone for a 1st. round pick, a roster player and prospect, I could have lived with. Hayes for 1st round pick. 20/20 didn't workout well for the Jets.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 25, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
Jets sign Brossoit for 1 year $1.2 M


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on May 25, 2019, 05:39:42 PM
LB just doubled his salary from last year, very impressive.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on May 25, 2019, 05:45:04 PM
He's worth it. Another summer training with Helly and he be even better next year.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on May 25, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
LB was great last year. That leaves Connor, Laine, Copp, Beaulieu, and Chairot.
I'm leaving Trouba off the list because I think negotiations have broke down and he's on the trade block. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on May 25, 2019, 08:04:33 PM
Tanev would be nice to have back ......... he along with Copp need to take, though a raise, a home town discount to help keep some grinders here.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on June 04, 2019, 12:46:29 AM
Kevin Hayes traded to Philadelphia for a 5th round draft pick in this year's entry draft.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on June 04, 2019, 01:33:38 AM
Kevin Hayes traded to Philadelphia for a 5th round draft pick in this year's entry draft.

What did we give up for him?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 04, 2019, 03:09:55 AM
We gave up our 1st Rd pick for this coming Draft plus Brendan Lemieux ............. Chevy certainly lost on this move overall.
Chevy needed to get something, as Hayes would have been to expensive to resign but .......... a 5th rounder is very sad to see as a return.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: The Zipp on June 04, 2019, 03:26:05 AM
We gave up our 1st Rd pick for this coming Draft plus Brendan Lemieux ............. Chevy certainly lost on this move overall.
Chevy needed to get something, as Hayes would have been to expensive to resign but .......... a 5th rounder is very sad to see as a return.

Ouch.  Took a gamble and lost - happens



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on June 04, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
Well, we didn't lose in the sense that we should have expected to re-sign Hayes or, even more so, gotten anything more in return for a pending UFA.

We lost in the sense that his performance gave us negligible improvement and the result was a first round exit. We lost that trade the second the Jets were eliminated.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: drahgon on June 04, 2019, 01:37:32 PM
^agreed.

Last year we won with Stasny, this year we lost with Hayes. At least Chevy was able to get something for a pending UFA. In hindsight, Jets should've stood pat with the lineup as it was instead of sending away a 1st rounder and Lemieux.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on June 07, 2019, 11:38:25 PM
I've been hearing some rumours that the locker-room isn't as harmonious as we've been led to believe.  I'm sure a lot of it is either not true at all, or inflated, but still, it there is some truth to it, the names I've been hearing make some sense, and there might be more going on than the media is letting on.  Not saying the team is totally dysfunctional, but there may be a few surprise pieces that will be moved that don't make 100% sense on the surface...  any time you put 24+ very well paid guys into close quarters, you'd be insane to think they will all get along.  And some of these guys are pretty spoiled from being able to do whatever they want because of what they can do on the ice...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Fire101 on June 08, 2019, 12:50:41 AM
What names have you been hearing?



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on June 08, 2019, 06:45:09 PM
What names have you been hearing?

Only rumours, so I won't be naming names, but the stories do seem pretty believable... 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on June 08, 2019, 09:19:26 PM
Only rumours, so I won't be naming names, but the stories do seem pretty believable... 


Lol! Most gossip is believable.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on June 11, 2019, 02:29:29 PM
What names have you been hearing?



Scheifele
Buff and Wheels at odds
Most players sick of Maurice and his bromance with Wheels and Schiefs


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on June 11, 2019, 03:11:09 PM
Lol! Most gossip is believable.

Yeah, you are right... if it wasn't a beleiveable story, it wouldn't get started...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on June 11, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
Scheifele
Buff and Wheels at odds
Most players sick of Maurice and his bromance with Wheels and Schiefs

Did you hear this from a guy on the street?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: bluengold204 on June 11, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Did you hear this from a guy on the street?

lol yeah nobody credible, just multiple people have been saying such things


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on June 11, 2019, 05:20:59 PM
Well, those were none of the rumours I heard...


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 12, 2019, 09:12:25 PM
Scheifele
Buff and Wheels at odds
Most players sick of Maurice and his bromance with Wheels and Schiefs
[/s]

Heard this just after Jets eliminated, from a friend, who witnessed conversations, off camera, i.e. the "panel" & other NHL scribes ....... it was not a one time thing for his ears


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on June 14, 2019, 04:31:02 AM
I have a close friend that works with in the team and says its not true.

Bunch of guys need new deals .

Lots of our guys will sign to win.



Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 14, 2019, 05:32:13 PM
Chevy needs a few guys signing, for the sake of winning, team friendly contracts


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2019, 12:35:43 PM
Well, we didn't lose in the sense that we should have expected to re-sign Hayes or, even more so, gotten anything more in return for a pending UFA.

We lost in the sense that his performance gave us negligible improvement and the result was a first round exit. We lost that trade the second the Jets were eliminated.

Could you not apply that same logic to the Stastny trade a year earlier? The Jets still fell short and got handily embarrassed in the WCF. Really, though, it's not so black and white as to say whether or not a team wins or loses a trade. There are so many other moving parts when it comes to a hockey team.

In any event, getting a pick back from a UFA who was not likely to re-sign is better than nothing.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on June 15, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
A very bad trade. Trading Lemieux for Hayes who didnt have big numbers but jets went for size. Gave up a first rounder too i believe. Maurice and Cgevaldayoff should be on a short leash. They had a good linup and had to make changes before playoffs. A bad idea. Lemieux had something like 9 goals and was playing like 8 minutes a game. Hayes was pretty invisible for a big guy. Surprised by their idea of making the team better. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2019, 01:09:57 PM
Some truly astounding ignorance.

It never ceases to amaze how claims are made without zero research being done. Hayes wasn't invisible. He averaged roughly .5 PPG in his tenure with the Jets, both regular season and playoffs. He was also solid in the faceoff dot.

Giving up a fourth line winger and what'll be a 20th overall pick is hardly something over which to lose sleep.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: buckzumhoff on June 15, 2019, 08:37:04 PM
And where is he now.   You dont mess with the lineup.. Hayes now looking to be in Philadelphia. Lemieux in New York and not sure ehats hsppening here. Chevy good at giving everyone a big contract and then playing them whether they lplay good or not. Tickets should be easier to get next yr from people i know who have tickets and may not renew. 


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2019, 09:08:00 PM
He's in another city. Same as the last rental the team had a season earlier. Your whining is pretty silly, especially because it stems from a glaring lack of understanding.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 15, 2019, 10:21:33 PM
Can we get past Hayes & Stastny now & focus on the dilemma facing Chevy & the Jets ??  Game day programs are going to have a few new faces this year.
The action is certainly going to be unfolding shortly with major signings, trades & a few Surprises. All our UFA's & key RFA's are not likely to be wearing our colors.
 
Is Trouba going to be elsewhere ?  Chiarot along with Myers may not resign and won't that ever change our Dmen ---- WOW !!  Does Chevy resign Beaulieu &/or Morrow ??
Can Kulikov be moved to free up some $$ ?
What is Tanev worth & will he test the Free Market ?  Laine & Connor have different value & worth but we fans would struggle not thinking that Chevy won't get both signed.
Maybe RFA Copp is signed for a reasonable amount & UFA Par Lindholm also signs, cheaply, to kill penalties & hustle where Tanev used to be.
Is Perrault moved in a package as a Cap dump ?   What if a a package includes Little being moved ---- now that would be a Surprise.

Funtime is upon us, cuz we aren't losing sleep like Chevy.  Let the speculating continue & maybe even throw in a Fantasy trade for a "WhatIf" moment.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: blue_or_die on June 17, 2019, 12:36:17 PM
Could you not apply that same logic to the Stastny trade a year earlier? The Jets still fell short and got handily embarrassed in the WCF. Really, though, it's not so black and white as to say whether or not a team wins or loses a trade. There are so many other moving parts when it comes to a hockey team.

In any event, getting a pick back from a UFA who was not likely to re-sign is better than nothing.

I would say that the boost we got from Stastny, playing a key role in elevating us to the third round of the SC playoffs, was worth the value of a first rounder, while it simply did not seem like what we got from Hayes impacted our roster power in the same way, which was evidenced in the fact that we got bounced. Certainly it's not as simple as "Stastny got us to the third round and Hayes got us elimitated in 6 games", but the lack of payback for the first round pick was pretty evident.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: theaardvark on June 17, 2019, 02:34:52 PM
12 teams legit interested in Trouba... price tag is 3 players and a pick, or fewer players if the pick is a first... 

Seems to be a lot of concern about not getting a D man back, but I'm not as worried about that... if a team has spare D, why are they interested in Trouba?  You want the Edmonton Hall for Larsson... you want to find a trading partner with extra assets and a deep need for a top pairing D...

If we re-sign Myers, awesome.  Barring that, Chiarot, Beaulieu or Morrow as FA's, and Niku and Poolman taking the next step to go with Morrissey, Buff, Kulikov... there are worse D corps in the league.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 17, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
Also caught the piece from the writer Brooks ......... wouldn't mind Dobson to be part of a trade.    Think he is the complete package ....... however,
seems the thinking is that we need a Top 4 Dman as part of a package. 
My thought is make the Trouba trade & then bundle Kulikov (Cap dump) with Perrault's "big" contract & a prospect & Chevy gets a "Top 4" Dman & ??? back.
Just wishful thinking, cuz we have other Dmen to complete the bottom 2, such as Morrow, Poolman, Beaulieu while Chiarot & Niku fight it out for Top 4 playtime.
..... plus Appleton, who I think is ready for steady NHL work, & possibly Vesalainen & Lindholm need to balance the Cap room


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on June 17, 2019, 10:50:58 PM
Not a surprise... Trouba traded to the Rangers for a first round pick and Neal Pionk. I thought we might get one more piece but at least what we got seems decent. I wish him all the best in NYC. Guess there will be no more ?tubas? on SPortsnet lol!


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 17, 2019, 11:07:37 PM
Not a surprise... Trouba traded to the Rangers for a first round pick and Neal Pionk. I thought we might get one more piece but at least what we got seems decent. I wish him all the best in NYC. Guess there will be no more ?tubas? on SPortsnet lol!
ya kinda light. pionk worth a dogs breakfast?


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: TrueBlue75 on June 17, 2019, 11:09:44 PM
It seems strange as there was talk of many teams hotly pursuing Trouba. This was the very best deal??


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 18, 2019, 01:14:58 AM
Thought of Pionk, who was never Drafted, about a month ago, but greedy me, wanted the Ranger's 1st pick (a real pipe dream) not the 20th overall that we got back

Pionk, age 23, actually had a decent start, in his 2nd year as a Pro, but flailed in the latter 1/2 of the season in his numbers.
His plus/minus was not good but he logged a lot of short handed minutes which were quite comparable to Trouba, who played 9 more games.
The kid laid out more hits then Trouba but blocked less shots. However, his Turnover difference was only at a -22, whereas Trouba was at a BAD, -38.

Chevy did okay ...... but Pionk needs to blossom & the 20th overall pick has to become a decent player to completely satisfy the masses.
Onward Chevy ..... now land us a good 2nd line centerman & dump Kulikov.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Pigskin on June 18, 2019, 01:16:35 AM
Cap space. Trouba was never signing long term in Winnipeg. This will give us 5.5 - 7.5 in cap space to sign other players that want to play in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2018/2019 Season
Post by: Jockitch on June 18, 2019, 01:40:14 AM
Excuse me for sounding like a Huge fan of Pionk but ..... the Rangers, on the Turnover Ratio, only had 4 players at 0 to a +8 whereas the Jets had 12 players above zero .....
then down to Trouba at -38 & Chiarot at -43.  Found that interesting & maybe part of how Chevy viewed the kid's upside.