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Title: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: BlueInCgy on June 11, 2018, 07:14:40 PM
http://3downnation.com/2018/06/11/chris-streveler-takes-first-team-qb-reps-bombers-practice/

Not a big surprise. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bunker on June 11, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
I'm actually surprised. I thought it would be Ross, given he has a bit more experience and had a better game (relatively speaking) against BC. I think our QBs will likely struggle over the next few games until Nichols is back, and we will eventually see at least 2, and possibly 3 of them get game action.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
I'm surprised.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Colton on June 11, 2018, 07:23:19 PM
I'm surprised.

Same, I'm fine with the decision though.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 07:31:59 PM
 I was not surprised or surprised. I prefer him to tryout starting first though. Ross is weaker thrower and could not secure the ball in the last game. He does not fumble I believe Ross starts.

Streveler has all the weapons one could want, a solid gelled Oline, and top flight running attack. He just needs to be a game manager distribute the ball and not turn it over. Simple right?

He has gotten understand punting is ok most of the time.

I like our Teams and I certainly take our D over Edmonton s.

It?s go time


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 11, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
I'm surprised.  Ross looked like the vet game manager until Nichols gets healed.  However, I'm fine with Streveler as it will make things a lot more exciting (in both good and bad ways).  I hope MOS gives him firm instructions to avoid INTs.  EDM D will be playing loose like BC did and hunting for easy picks.  Great way to stop the hunters is to throw it over the top of everyone... which Streveler seems more than capable of doing!  Maybe Lankford will be handy after all...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 11, 2018, 07:39:19 PM
Streveler as a dual threat QB PLUS our running game should present big challenges to the Eskies. One thing with LaPo we know he is very good at managing the offence with low risk. I expect short passes and lots of running, options, etc. in the first half. If it goes well it may stay that way. LaPo will use Streveler by managing him in low risk situations for the most part.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 07:42:26 PM
A scouting report I found on Streveler:

Chris Streveler is a player?s QB; one of the guys... strong, thick build... solid frame... still learning the QB position... lacks the nuances of smooth QB, but has come far in last 2 seasons... strong arm... LORD, what a trigger! ... ball is out with flick of the wrist, with steam... rapid delivery using compact motion and high release point... lacks finesse at this point... very shallow reads; 1-n-done... still, makes good on his early reads... worked from shot-gun in a tempo offense... confident and enthusiastic play... pocket presence needs seasoning as he is late to recognize the rush... sets platform quickly but uneven footwork causes uncoordinated throwing motion... platform is good, but fails to drove off back leg for power... arm-thrower... still, ball comes out with fire and in a hurry... accuracy is there but flawed within the window... ball-placement is not his priority, but he hits the receiver?s catch radius accurately and timely... not a shy passer and will give his receivers a chance to ?win? the football... deep ball is hit-n-miss, but plenty of distance... could improve downfield juice and accuracy with better footwork from the platform... shows signs of throwing his receivers open rather than waiting for a clean jersey... still, no evidence of fluency on comebacks, back-shoulder throws or fades... Streveler is darn mobile and a dangerous runner... very effective on QB draws, boots and picking up chunky gains from a broken pocket... not a creative runner, but very effective... rushed for over 1500 yards and scored 20 ground TDs combined last 2 seasons... makes a terrific RPO pro prospect but needs quality NFL QB coaching... a good coach can create a winner here using that lightning release and athletic make-up.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 07:45:35 PM
I'm surprised.  Ross looked like the vet game manager until Nichols gets healed.  However, I'm fine with Streveler as it will make things a lot more exciting (in both good and bad ways).  I hope MOS gives him firm instructions to avoid INTs.  EDM D will be playing loose like BC did and hunting for easy picks.  Great way to stop the hunters is to throw it over the top of everyone... which Streveler seems more than capable of doing!  Maybe Lankford will be handy after all...

....Tompkins Bowman Dressler we have the weapons to do this. No question. Lapo needs a dynamite game plan. Run the ball min 50% of the time.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 07:47:51 PM
....Tompkins Bowman Dressler we have the weapons to do this. No question. Lapo needs a dynamite game plan. Run the ball min 50% of the time.
Edmonton is going to expect us to run a lot and dump off to Harris for short passes. So can?t be afraid to let Streveler let er rip if it?s what the defense is giving. Will be very interesting on Thursday.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 07:49:12 PM
A scouting report I found on Streveler:

Chris Streveler is a player?s QB; one of the guys... strong, thick build... solid frame... still learning the QB position... lacks the nuances of smooth QB, but has come far in last 2 seasons... strong arm... LORD, what a trigger! ... ball is out with flick of the wrist, with steam... rapid delivery using compact motion and high release point... lacks finesse at this point... very shallow reads; 1-n-done... still, makes good on his early reads... worked from shot-gun in a tempo offense... confident and enthusiastic play... pocket presence needs seasoning as he is late to recognize the rush... sets platform quickly but uneven footwork causes uncoordinated throwing motion... platform is good, but fails to drove off back leg for power... arm-thrower... still, ball comes out with fire and in a hurry... accuracy is there but flawed within the window... ball-placement is not his priority, but he hits the receiver?s catch radius accurately and timely... not a shy passer and will give his receivers a chance to ?win? the football... deep ball is hit-n-miss, but plenty of distance... could improve downfield juice and accuracy with better footwork from the platform... shows signs of throwing his receivers open rather than waiting for a clean jersey... still, no evidence of fluency on comebacks, back-shoulder throws or fades... Streveler is darn mobile and a dangerous runner... very effective on QB draws, boots and picking up chunky gains from a broken pocket... not a creative runner, but very effective... rushed for over 1500 yards and scored 20 ground TDs combined last 2 seasons... makes a terrific RPO pro prospect but needs quality NFL QB coaching... a good coach can create a winner here using that lightning release and athletic make-up.

Sounds good to me we just need Lapo to coach him up on recognizing the rush and going to the 2 nd read if needed. Great report though thanks gbill.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 07:49:53 PM
Edmonton is going to expect us to run a lot and dump off to Harris for short passes. So can?t be afraid to let Streveler let er rip if it?s what the defense is giving. Will be very interesting on Thursday.

It will be a hoot no question.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2018, 07:55:54 PM
In making this move, I'm worried that Nichols is more hurt than they suggest. Streveler has the highest ceiling but definitely the lowest floor. Ross seemed like a natural flatline stopgap. Could be that Streveler just beat him out although you'd have to put more weight into pre-season game 1 than 2 to draw that conclusion. If Streveler starts all four games he's likely to lose one or two all by himself. There wasn't too much disagreement on here after pre-season game 2 that Ross would be the guy so this move is kind of curious. Pretty rare for a rookie QB to start, let alone a 23-year-old without any professional experience. Even rarer if he does well.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 07:58:45 PM
In making this move, I'm worried that Nichols is more hurt than they suggest. Streveler has the highest ceiling but definitely the lowest floor. Ross seemed like a natural flatline stopgap. Could be that Streveler just beat him out although you'd have to put more weight into pre-season game 1 than 2 to draw that conclusion. If Streveler starts all four games he's likely to lose one or two all by himself. There wasn't too much disagreement on here after pre-season game 2 that Ross would be the guy so this move is kind of curious. Pretty rare for a rookie QB to start, let alone a 23-year-old without any professional experience. Even rarer if he does well.
That?s exactly it. Ross has the higher floor but lower ceiling. Streveler at this point in his career has the lower floor and higher ceiling. Maybe LaPo is a bit of a gambling man. I do know it was LaPo who pushed hard to get Streveler here with the Bombers.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: NewBlue on June 11, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
I'm also surprised, but pleasently surprised.  I just wasn't impressed with Ross.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 11, 2018, 08:22:49 PM
Streveler behind a real Oline with real receivers was pretty darned good.  IN BC, he was playing behind guys that just got cut, throwing to guys that aren't here...

I think his talents are going to show quite nice with the stable lineup he will be handed to start the year...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bluebeard on June 11, 2018, 08:24:23 PM
Edmonton is going to expect us to run a lot and dump off to Harris for short passes. So can?t be afraid to let Streveler let er rip if it?s what the defense is giving. Will be very interesting on Thursday.

LaPo may just throw the long ball at the Esks on the 1st offensive play of the game  to get them to think long.  He then may allow Streveler to roll to loosen up the ends before he goes to the short game.  Lots of wood be coaches on this forum. ;D


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 11, 2018, 08:27:12 PM
Streveler behind a real Oline with real receivers was pretty darned good.  IN BC, he was playing behind guys that just got cut, throwing to guys that aren't here...

I think his talents are going to show quite nice with the stable lineup he will be handed to start the year...

Do you mean Ross? He played with BC.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 11, 2018, 08:29:46 PM
Do you mean Ross? He played with BC.

Talking about the preseason games...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 11, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
LaPo may just throw the long ball at the Esks on the 1st offensive play of the game  to get them to think long.  He then may allow Streveler to roll to loosen up the ends before he goes to the short game.  Lots of wood be coaches on this forum. ;D

I'd say the expectation is to throw long to Bowman on play #1.  So what I'd do instead is QB draw: Streveler gets 20  ;)  ;D

I'd do a bomb to Bowman on the subsequent 1st down.  They'll have no idea what hit them!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 11, 2018, 08:30:37 PM
Talking about the preseason games...

Sorry. I see what you mean. Yeah he played with no starters on the OLine


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 11, 2018, 08:31:17 PM

Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB

Twitter world?yes I like the decision to start Streveler.  Beyond his 6-2, 220 physical attributes, he appears to have some intangibles that are hard to quantify.  Let?s have a look


Can't get a better endorsement than that...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 11, 2018, 08:34:44 PM

Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB

Twitter world?yes I like the decision to start Streveler.  Beyond his 6-2, 220 physical attributes, he appears to have some intangibles that are hard to quantify.  Let?s have a look


Can't get a better endorsement than that...

What's Bob talking about 'intangibles" and hard to quantify? His speed, size, and rocket arm makes him a true dual threat. lol.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 08:35:14 PM

Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB

Twitter world?yes I like the decision to start Streveler.  Beyond his 6-2, 220 physical attributes, he appears to have some intangibles that are hard to quantify.  Let?s have a look


Can't get a better endorsement than that...
Bob Irving is a massive homer. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: The Zipp on June 11, 2018, 08:36:18 PM
Generally speaking a starting QB in the cfl who hasn?t even been on the sidelines for a regular season game is going to fail miserably.  It usually isn?t done for this reason, either the coaches are clueless (don?t think so), see some huge potential in the guy that just makes them have to see him, or the others are just terrible. 

This may be a combo of all of them...we have been down this path so many times of hoping on a new fresh QB that he is going to be awesome and usually we have been let down - cause it?s a really hard position and in this case against a very good team.  Edmonton throw stuff at him he hasn?t seen in real life before...good luck to the guy but I have my doubts he can be successful this early...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
#Eskimos without DB's Johnny Adams and Arjen Colquhoun in practice again today. #CFL

Grymes might be out too as he?s been placed on the Esks suspended list.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 11, 2018, 09:24:35 PM
Streveler behind a real Oline with real receivers was pretty darned good.  IN BC, he was playing behind guys that just got cut, throwing to guys that aren't here...

I think his talents are going to show quite nice with the stable lineup he will be handed to start the year...

my thoughts as well... Streveler looked good in the first preseason game playing behind our starting O line, given, it was against a #2 D, but still did quite well when given time... Look to start 1-0 this year...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 09:26:37 PM
Bob Irving is a massive homer. 

He is but no where near Rod Pederson. If the Bombers suck Bob would tell you they suck. If the Riders suck Pederson would say they still the best underrated team in CFL history.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 09:28:53 PM
#Eskimos without DB's Johnny Adams and Arjen Colquhoun in practice again today. #CFL

Grymes might be out too as he?s been placed on the Esks suspended list.
nice we will need all the dinged up secondary Schmos as possible. Get open WRs!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 11, 2018, 09:29:14 PM
Very curious decision. Excited to see how he does.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 09:34:06 PM
Streveler won the the Walter Payton award in college. MVP of Div. 2 ball.

Previous winners

Tony Romo
Bo Levi Mitchell
Jimmy Garapolo
Dave Dickinson
Steve McNair

Nice list on QBs


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 11, 2018, 09:35:02 PM
Streveler won the the Walter Payton award in college. MVP of Div. 2 ball.

Previous winners

Tony Romo
Bo Levi Mitchell
Jimmy Garapolo
Dave Dickinson
Steve McNair

Nice list on QBs

pretty good company to keep...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Pigskin on June 11, 2018, 09:35:24 PM
As long as he manages the game and doesn't try and force the ball in to tight spot or double coverage he should be fine. Ross will be there to back him up.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 09:36:42 PM
I PVR?d the BC game so I?m re-watching it now, paying closer attention to Streveler.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 11, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
As long as he manages the game and doesn't try and force the ball in to tight spot or double coverage he should be fine. Ross will be there to back him up.

agreed, his errors will dictate his play... keep them low and I think he'll do alright, just hope he doesn't go out there and try to do too much too quick... let the game come to him...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 11, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
I PVR?d the BC game so I?m re-watching it now, paying closer attention to Streveler.

just fast forward to the 3:50ish mark in the fourth...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Streveler won the the Walter Payton award in college. MVP of Div. 2 ball.

Previous winners

Tony Romo
Bo Levi Mitchell
Jimmy Garapolo
Dave Dickinson
Steve McNair

Nice list on QBs
He finished second. He never won the award.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2018, 10:13:03 PM
He finished second. He never won the award.

Potatoe Patatoe


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2018, 11:10:33 PM
Streveler won the the Walter Payton award in college. MVP of Div. 2 ball.

Previous winners

Tony Romo
Bo Levi Mitchell
Jimmy Garapolo
Dave Dickinson
Steve McNair

Nice list on QBs

Cool company but if you posted the full list there would be way more that didn't do anything and that the average CFL fan has never heard of.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
Cool company but if you posted the full list there would be way more that didn't do anything and that the average CFL fan has never heard of.
And he?s not even in that company because he never won the award.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 11, 2018, 11:19:42 PM
Potatoe Patatoe
Does that mean the Bombers won the Grey Cup in 2011!!??  :D


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 12, 2018, 12:06:47 AM
Streveler won the the Walter Payton award in college. MVP of Div. 2 ball.

Previous winners

Tony Romo
Bo Levi Mitchell
Jimmy Garapolo
Dave Dickinson
Steve McNair

Nice list on QBs

Do you have a list of guys that placed second? ;)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 12, 2018, 12:13:27 AM
Do you have a list of guys that placed second? ;)
nah


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bunker on June 12, 2018, 12:14:12 AM
Do you have a list of guys that placed second? ;)
Since you asked:

Past finalists

    2005: Erik Meyer of Eastern Washington, Ricky Santos of New Hampshire and Nick Hartigan of Brown University.[5]
    2006: Ricky Santos of New Hampshire, Jason Murrietta of Northern Arizona and Arkee Whitlock of Southern Illinois[6]
    2007: Jayson Foster of Georgia Southern, Eric Sanders, of Northern Iowa and Josh Johnson of San Diego[7]
    2008: Armanti Edwards of Appalachian State Rodney Landers of James Madison and Herb Donaldson of Western Illinois[8]
    2009: Armanti Edwards of Appalachian State, Terrell Hudgins of Elon College and Deji Karim of Southern Illinois[9]
    2010: Matt Barr of Western Illinois, DeAndre Presley of Appalachian State and Jeremy Moses of Stephen F. Austin[10]
    2011: Shakir Bell of Indiana State,[11] Chris Lum of Lehigh, and Bo Levi Mitchell of Eastern Washington[12]
    2012: Eric Breitenstein of Wofford, Taylor Heinicke of Old Dominion, and Miguel Maysonet of Stony Brook[13]
    2013: Vernon Adams of Eastern Washington, Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, and Terrance West of Towson
    2014 John Robertson of Villanova, Vernon Adams of Eastern Washington, Justin Arias of Idaho State
    2016: Jeremiah Briscoe of Sam Houston State, Cooper Kupp of Eastern Washington, Gage Gubrud of Eastern Washington
    2017: Jeremiah Briscoe, Sam Houston State; Andrew Ankrah, James Madison; Brett Taylor, Western Illinois



Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 12:17:46 AM
Since you asked:

Past finalists

    2005: Erik Meyer of Eastern Washington, Ricky Santos of New Hampshire and Nick Hartigan of Brown University.[5]
    2006: Ricky Santos of New Hampshire, Jason Murrietta of Northern Arizona and Arkee Whitlock of Southern Illinois[6]
    2007: Jayson Foster of Georgia Southern, Eric Sanders, of Northern Iowa and Josh Johnson of San Diego[7]
    2008: Armanti Edwards of Appalachian State Rodney Landers of James Madison and Herb Donaldson of Western Illinois[8]
    2009: Armanti Edwards of Appalachian State, Terrell Hudgins of Elon College and Deji Karim of Southern Illinois[9]
    2010: Matt Barr of Western Illinois, DeAndre Presley of Appalachian State and Jeremy Moses of Stephen F. Austin[10]
    2011: Shakir Bell of Indiana State,[11] Chris Lum of Lehigh, and Bo Levi Mitchell of Eastern Washington[12]
    2012: Eric Breitenstein of Wofford, Taylor Heinicke of Old Dominion, and Miguel Maysonet of Stony Brook[13]
    2013: Vernon Adams of Eastern Washington, Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, and Terrance West of Towson
    2014 John Robertson of Villanova, Vernon Adams of Eastern Washington, Justin Arias of Idaho State
    2016: Jeremiah Briscoe of Sam Houston State, Cooper Kupp of Eastern Washington, Gage Gubrud of Eastern Washington
    2017: Jeremiah Briscoe, Sam Houston State; Andrew Ankrah, James Madison; Brett Taylor, Western Illinois
Not as impressive as the list of winners  :-\


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 12:25:10 AM
just fast forward to the 3:50ish mark in the fourth...
2:46 of the 4th quarter. His only play of the game. Asides from a couple runs, he really did nothing other than that completion to Thompkins.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bunker on June 12, 2018, 12:35:53 AM
Generally speaking a starting QB in the cfl who hasn?t even been on the sidelines for a regular season game is going to fail miserably.  It usually isn?t done for this reason, either the coaches are clueless (don?t think so), see some huge potential in the guy that just makes them have to see him, or the others are just terrible. 

This may be a combo of all of them...we have been down this path so many times of hoping on a new fresh QB that he is going to be awesome and usually we have been let down - cause it?s a really hard position and in this case against a very good team.  Edmonton throw stuff at him he hasn?t seen in real life before...good luck to the guy but I have my doubts he can be successful this early...

I share your skepticism. If you old adage is that each rookie costs you a game in the standings, we could be 0-3 after experimenting with our 3 rookie (or in the case of Ross virtual rookie) QBs.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue96 on June 12, 2018, 12:41:01 AM
I'm not going to make any predictions, excepting of course the Pick 'ems thread, until I see Streveler behind the starting Oline with starting RECs and RBs to support him. Until we see if he flies or fails in those circumstances it's really all speculation and old adages at this point. Historically, rooks have not done well at QB, but obviously the coaches saw something, or he wouldn't have gotten the start.

I just want a packed house and a great game.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 12, 2018, 02:05:18 AM
I'm not going to make any predictions, excepting of course the Pick 'ems thread, until I see Streveler behind the starting Oline with starting RECs and RBs to support him. Until we see if he flies or fails in those circumstances it's really all speculation and old adages at this point. Historically, rooks have not done well at QB, but obviously the coaches saw something, or he wouldn't have gotten the start.

I just want a packed house and a great game.

Mmmm there will be 27,000 plus there but packed house I doubt it unfortunately.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: dd on June 12, 2018, 02:41:40 AM
I think Lapo will come up with low risk, high percentage plays to keep the ball moving and keep the O on the field. He doesn't have to bomb it, just move the chains, swing passes to Harris, slant passes to Bowman and Jet pass to Dressler etc and we'll be ok. He doesn't have to win the game all by himself, he just has to not loose it for us all by himself by turning it over. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 12, 2018, 02:49:54 AM
I think Lapo will come up with low risk, high percentage plays to keep the ball moving and keep the O on the field. He doesn't have to bomb it, just move the chains, swing passes to Harris, slant passes to Bowman and Jet pass to Dressler etc and we'll be ok. He doesn't have to win the game all by himself, he just has to not loose it for us all by himself by turning it over. 

That stuff only works if minimally used throughout a game. Edmonton will clogging up the bad aiming to stop  that stuff. He will need to air it out on occasion.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue96 on June 12, 2018, 03:04:37 AM
Mmmm there will be 27,000 plus there but packed house I doubt it unfortunately.

Good Call


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 12, 2018, 03:12:05 AM
We'll see what they end up doing on offense, but I kind of think that if they were going ultra-conservative with the gameplan, Alex Ross would be the guy. They chose Streveler for a reason, and I expect they'll let him play to his strengths a bit.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Invader on June 12, 2018, 03:43:20 AM
I doubt an ultra-conservative game plan is a winning formula against M. Reilly and the Esks. The Bomber QB needs to complete multiple passes downfield for 20 to 30+ yds and throw TD passes or the prospects of beating the Esks are slim. They will score some points and so must the Bombers. That's probably why Streveler is starting and not Ross. He gives the team a chance to complete passes downfield. The Esks will be expecting run,run,run...so go play action and there should be some wide-open receivers available. Keep the backs in to block. Pass, pass, pass when they expect you to run, run, run. Establish the passing game to setup the running game. That's how the Bombers can beat the Esks. Streveler is young and inexperienced but he's a professional QB who's expected to execute the offence, even if it means airing it out (but remember don't throw into double-coverage and umm, don't stare down the receivers ;)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: krahnic on June 12, 2018, 03:50:46 AM
Quite surprised that Streveler gets the start. I'm guessing they felt that Strev will have a better chance to escape Edmonton's dline pressure than Ross.
I love the raw talent he has but we've seen too many decent young QB's in the CFL get their confidence crushed by being thrown to the wolves. Personally would've liked to have seen them protect Strev and bring him along slowly. If he goes 4 for 15 with a pick and/or fumble and gets sacked multiple times how does he come back from that?

Anyway I'm being pessimistic based on history, but I really hope he comes out and surprises everyone and gives the BBs a chance to win.

Heard the Edmonton sports radio guys saying with Nichols out for part of the season the BB will likely finish 5th in West. They were interviewing Farhan Lalji, but Lalji wouldn't bite. He said he thinks if the Bombers can hang around while Nichols is out they have a great chance to make playoffs and a good shot at the cup.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 12, 2018, 05:35:17 AM
I think Lapo will come up with low risk, high percentage plays to keep the ball moving and keep the O on the field. He doesn't have to bomb it, just move the chains, swing passes to Harris, slant passes to Bowman and Jet pass to Dressler etc and we'll be ok. He doesn't have to win the game all by himself, he just has to not loose it for us all by himself by turning it over. 

I think the opposite.  I think Streveler/Lapo throw more deep balls than Nichols usually does.  Play to his strengths and do precisely the opposite of what EDM is expecting ("game management").  Then the only thing that becomes critical is Streveler must lead the receiver deep so DBs don't get a chance at a pick.  In fact, super-deep throws on 2nd down are almost risk-free because if they are picked the receiver can make the tackle and then it's basically the same as a punt.

I say we send 3 guys deep a lot!

I doubt an ultra-conservative game plan is a winning formula against M. Reilly and the Esks. The Bomber QB needs to complete multiple passes downfield for 20 to 30+ yds and throw TD passes or the prospects of beating the Esks are slim. They will score some points and so must the Bombers. That's probably why Streveler is starting and not Ross. He gives the team a chance to complete passes downfield. The Esks will be expecting run,run,run...so go play action and there should be some wide-open receivers available. Keep the backs in to block. Pass, pass, pass when they expect you to run, run, run. Establish the passing game to setup the running game. That's how the Bombers can beat the Esks. Streveler is young and inexperienced but he's a professional QB who's expected to execute the offence, even if it means airing it out (but remember don't throw into double-coverage and umm, don't stare down the receivers ;)

Bingo bango.  Invader is right on the money!  We can so mess with Benevides' head in this game and keep him guessing.  For deep balls have 2/3 guys go deep and make it really hard on the FS to pick who to cover.  Streveler has to learn (fast!) look the opposite way before the throw!  He stunk at that last in the BC game.

I would open with runs+deeps, nothing across the middle/short, then when EDM is lulled into our trap, start throwing the short crossers and slants and then mix it all up so no one has any idea what Lapo is thinking.  It's going to be fun!!  The only question is... can WPG execute?


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 12, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
no need to go conservative...You got the unknown (to edm) kid behind the first string offense....you let er rip!!
The Schmoes are going to be focusing a lot on Harris and Bowman and the dual threat of Streveler running is going to keep the front 7 more concerned with contain rather than all out pressure....as well sounds like the may have 2..possibly 3 DB's who are not regulars in the line-up...so they are bound to make some mistakes and not be nearly as good as the starters.

To me this looks like a perfect scenario for his first start...and the front 7 there doesn't scare me either...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 12, 2018, 01:55:35 PM
Give Streveler a simple game plan. One that he can execute. Plenty of safety valves and the green light to tuck it and run.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: NewBlue on June 12, 2018, 02:06:53 PM
Yup, I'd be expecting him to run a lot.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 12, 2018, 02:27:15 PM
How do you deal with a rookie QB? Blitz, blitz, blitz. Edmonton won't give the long ball because they'll bring max pressure on Streveler. Not saying he won't air it out on occasion. But when the max pressure comes it's options, short passes etc. They'll also show blitz and then pull back to further confuse the kid. That's why a game plan with a mid to short game and running is what I see. Blitz can be expected and that's when Streveler can shine with his great RUNNING ability.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 12, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
How do you deal with a rookie QB? Blitz, blitz, blitz. Edmonton won't give the long ball because they'll bring max pressure on Streveler. Not saying he won't air it out on occasion. But when the max pressure comes it's options, short passes etc. They'll also show blitz and then pull back to further confuse the kid. That's why a game plan with a mid to short game and running is what I see. Blitz can be expected and that's when Streveler can shine with his great RUNNING ability.

Do you not think over his career in College that he has faced defenses and schemes that have showed blitz...and then dropped guys off?...thats a basic defensive tactic.
As well any QB has faced max pressure and has to have proved he can exploit it in game to get the defense to let up....these are noting new to any QB.

The fact of the matter is the QB has to show he can deal with it...and I'm guessing the coaches think he has the mental capacity and the poise to do it...so we shall see Strevler's make-up right away


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 12, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
Do you not think over his career in College that he has faced defenses and schemes that have showed blitz...and then dropped guys off?...thats a basic defensive tactic.
As well any QB has faced max pressure and has to have proved he can exploit it in game to get the defense to let up....these are noting new to any QB.

The fact of the matter is the QB has to show he can deal with it...and I'm guessing the coaches think he has the mental capacity and the poise to do it...so we shall see Strevler's make-up right away

He's never faced pros that's the big difference. Playing college ball is different. You have one of the better Ds in Edmonton. Obviously a lot will depend on his OL protection as well.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 02:42:40 PM
He's never faced pros that's the big difference. Playing college ball is different. You have one of the better Ds in Edmonton. Obviously a lot will depend on his OL protection as well.
He's got a quick release and makes fairly quick decision, so that will definitely help him. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2018, 02:53:16 PM
Streveler, who worked out for the Bombers coaches at mini-camp but was not on the roster, will be the first rookie quarterback to start a CFL season opener just a year after playing college football since Anthony Calvillo did it for the Las Vegas Posse in 1994.

http://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/wyman-bombers-pick-rookie-chris-streveler-as-their-starting-quarterback-for-week-1


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Jesse on June 12, 2018, 02:56:44 PM
He's got a quick release and makes fairly quick decision, so that will definitely help him. 

Or help him throw quick interceptions.

The guy is going to struggle. There's no way around that.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 12, 2018, 03:00:33 PM
He's never faced pros that's the big difference. Playing college ball is different. You have one of the better Ds in Edmonton. Obviously a lot will depend on his OL protection as well.

College ball is different than pro ball??...man I would have never guessed considering I have played..thanks for the tip lol
That being said the concepts are the same..the looks...the ways to beat the looks...it's just things happen faster..by better athletes....but he is playing with the same better athletes...at a faster pace now...and although a small sampling has faced pro's...so this is nothing new to him.

Where a new guy usually fails is the inexperience in the processing, nerves..getting overly antsy...and yes seeing new things. But we haven't determined if he has these traits yet, and it almost seems for some reason he doesn't...and the coaches seem to think the same way...so this game will be a nice indicator of what his make-up is inside his head...tool wise he is there...it's now just a mental thing.

Also....do you honestly think over the last few days he hasn't been schooled up watching film on the Scmoes...and other teams...on their schemes...looks shown...etc...etc..??
**** right he has been and from experience if you are halfway intelligent and have ability to think quick on your feet you pick up nuances pretty quickly.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 03:00:53 PM
Or help him throw quick interceptions.

The guy is going to struggle. There's no way around that.
I'm trying to be optimistic, but you are right.  Let's hope Nichols is back after 2-3 weeks, instead of 5-6.  


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: rubanski on June 12, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
Perhaps a question for the game day thread, but what do we know about Edmonton's D line? Willis is gone.

Bazzie and Sewell are the only names I really recognize. Not the terror that line has been the last few years?


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: NewBlue on June 12, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
Or help him throw quick interceptions.

The guy is going to struggle. There's no way around that.

Absolutely there will be growing pains, but as long as he gives us some nice plays inbetween then it's all good.
I mentioned a couple big plays he had last week, and I think these got him the start.  1 was the pick 6, after the interception he didn't just give up, he tossed 1 defender to the ground and almost got the guy before he scored.  The other one was a 10 yard run where he got around one guy, then bullied his way for the 1st.  
Lets just hope he doesn't get hurt playing that physcial!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 12, 2018, 03:09:45 PM
College ball is different than pro ball??...man I would have never guessed considering I have played..thanks for the tip lol
That being said the concepts are the same..the looks...the ways to beat the looks...it's just things happen faster..by better athletes....but he is playing with the same better athletes...at a faster pace now...and although a small sampling has faced pro's...so this is nothing new to him.

Where a new guy usually fails is the inexperience in the processing, nerves..getting overly antsy...and yes seeing new things. But we haven't determined if he has these traits yet, and it almost seems for some reason he doesn't...and the coaches seem to think the same way...so this game will be a nice indicator of what his make-up is inside his head...tool wise he is there...it's now just a mental thing.

Also....do you honestly think over the last few days he hasn't been schooled up watching film on the Scmoes...and other teams...on their schemes...looks shown...etc...etc..??
**** right he has been and from experience if you are halfway intelligent and have ability to think quick on your feet you pick up nuances pretty quickly.


No need for sarcasm. Great college QBs have floundered in the pros not only because the level of talent but of pro D scheming compared to the coaching at college level. Not taking away from his level of competition but he played in the FCS Div. 1 not FBS which are the bigger schools, more talent etc. Again, many fantastic QBs have come out of that conference and been great in the CFL. But the level of competition goes Div. III--->Div. II---> Div. 1 FCS---->Div. 1 FBS.  My only point, that unlike hockey where you can develop with pros - the AHL for example, you're taking a college kid and thinking he should be wailing the ball down field. I don't know what this argument is about quite frankly. If you think the LaPolice will use a conventional playbook rather than shortening it up so he can process, so he can start to read Ds, so he can know the CFL pro game then don't know what to say to you. Does this mean that he won't try to hit Bowman on a long ball? Obviously not.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2018, 03:12:45 PM
No need for sarcasm. Great college QBs have floundered in the pros not only because the level of talent but of pro D scheming compared to the coaching at college level. Not taking away from his level of competition but he played in the FCS Div. 1 not FBS which are the bigger schools, more talent etc. Again, many fantastic QBs have come out of that conference and been great in the CFL. But the level of competition goes Div. III--->Div. II---> Div. 1 FCS---->Div. 1 FBS.  My only point, that unlike hockey where you can develop with pros - the AHL for example, you're taking a college kid and thinking he should be wailing the ball down field. I don't know what this argument is about quite frankly. If you think the LaPolice will use a conventional playbook rather than shortening it up so he can process, so he can start to read Ds, so he can know the CFL pro game then don't know what to say to you. Does this mean that he won't try to hit Bowman on a long ball? Obviously not.

And for what it's worth, he only completed 216 of 481 passes last year in college for 44.9% completion rate.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 03:14:18 PM
And for what it's worth, he only completed 216 of 481 passes last year in college for 44.9% completion rate.
Yikes!  Justin Goltz had a better completion percentage then that! 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 12, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
And for what it's worth, he only completed 216 of 481 passes last year in college for 44.9% completion rate.

He completed 316 of 481 passes last year in college. I think I saw where you got 216 from, but that was a typo in the article.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 12, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
I'm trying to be optimistic, but you are right.  Let's hope Nichols is back after 2-3 weeks, instead of 5-6.  

This. I'm hoping it's on the shorter end of the 4-6 week absence. I think the team is going to struggle considerably on offense without their starter.

That said, Harris needs to have a monster game on Thursday. That'll go a long way, IMO.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 12, 2018, 03:15:11 PM
And for what it's worth, he only completed 216 of 481 passes last year in college for 44.9% completion rate.

Didn't check that. Interesting stat. Thanks. I like Streveler. In fact I'm excited about what he brings. And I think all of us want him to set the CFL on fire.

Actually just checked - 316   481   65.7%.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
He completed 316 of 481 passes last year in college
Thanks...that's way better!  


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 03:19:29 PM
Aaron Grymes confirmed OUT for Thursday's game. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 12, 2018, 03:21:15 PM
I know the levels of U.S college ball. I also know pro and college is different in many regards...preaching to the choir my friend

All teams in any leagues will always...ALWAYS use a reduced playbook as the season starts and gradually expand it...thats common coaching knowledge 101...You never divulge your full offensive playbook until way past the mid point of a season...why give an advantage.

As well we are most certainly installing a package of plays that Strevler suits, as well as some of the regular offense...and yeah of course he is going to play conservative...but he is also going to take shots..thats how our offense is designed even with Nichols.

He is actually in the best situation for a raw rookie to start in the CFL is what I am saying...Our team philosophy on offence won't overwhelm him.
You also can't under estimate the unknown that he brings and how that can hamper a defense.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: NewBlue on June 12, 2018, 03:21:52 PM
This. I'm hoping it's on the shorter end of the 4-6 week absence. I think the team is going to struggle considerably on offense without their starter.

That said, Harris needs to have a monster game on Thursday. That'll go a long way, IMO.

With Nichols out, He might get more catches than he did last year!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 12, 2018, 03:33:33 PM
I know the levels of U.S college ball. I also know pro and college is different in many regards...preaching to the choir my friend

All teams in any leagues will always...ALWAYS use a reduced playbook as the season starts and gradually expand it...thats common coaching knowledge 101...You never divulge your full offensive playbook until way past the mid point of a season...why give an advantage.

As well we are most certainly installing a package of plays that Strevler suits, as well as some of the regular offense...and yeah of course he is going to play conservative...but he is also going to take shots..thats how our offense is designed even with Nichols.

He is actually in the best situation for a raw rookie to start in the CFL is what I am saying...Our team philosophy on offence won't overwhelm him.
You also can't under estimate the unknown that he brings and how that can hamper a defense.

A playbook isn't even completed until close to year end. Especially a Lapo playbook that predicates on progressions. Lapo has a playbook to start the year of different packages and plays, he then starts building in progressions as the year progresses that adapt to his personell. All offensive coaches do this, but Lapo is an absolute beast at it having multiple layers of progressions coming out of every package by the end of the year. It's how he can keep it so simple, but also catch defenses off guard and get receivers into space. Ask any DC around the league and they absolutely hate going against Lapo. The average fan thinks that his offence is boring because it is so bland looking. It is that blandness that works to great effect. You don't see exotic pre-snap movement or crazy formations, but you see experienced defensive personell consistently getting beat and wondering how the heck it happened after all those hours of film study. How it happened is Lapo made you study film for nothing because he added a dozen progressions to his playbook and next week he will add another dozen rinse and repeat.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 12, 2018, 03:35:41 PM
With Nichols out, He might get more catches than he did last year!

Agreed. I think he's going to be pretty busy for the next month or so.

The team will need others to step up, too. Not just on offense but the defense will have to be much improved.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2018, 03:48:48 PM
He completed 316 of 481 passes last year in college. I think I saw where you got 216 from, but that was a typo in the article.

That's way better. Yes, I was referencing the Sun article http://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/wyman-bombers-pick-rookie-chris-streveler-as-their-starting-quarterback-for-week-1 but it appears they screwed up as this looks better http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=225778. Much better numbers, thankfully. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 12, 2018, 04:04:32 PM
It's a given that Streveler and the offense may struggle. I haven't ruled out that we can win but that's not my criteria for a successful game.

I'll be ok if he shows competency in his decision making process.

Beyond that I'm really more interested in how the defense does. I expect we'll be able to be much better against the run with Bighill at MLB and the year's experience of our DL.

How quickly does the interm ( without Leggett ) secondary perform. Do we stop the explosive plays that have haunted us in the past.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 12, 2018, 04:20:45 PM
It's a given that Streveler and the offense may struggle. I haven't ruled out that we can win but that's not my criteria for a successful game.

I'll be ok if he shows competency in his decision making process.

Beyond that I'm really more interested in how the defense does. I expect we'll be able to be much better against the run with Bighill at MLB and the year's experience of our DL.

How quickly does the interm ( without Leggett ) secondary perform. Do we stop the explosive plays that have haunted us in the past.

I think the defense 'gets it done' this year... it appears that we have addressed all of the areas of concern from last year, now have a solid front 7 and more experience in the secondary... may have to gel just a bit to get use to everyone and their assignments but by the end of the year, barring major injuries, this thing should really hummm...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 12, 2018, 04:21:20 PM
It's a given that Streveler and the offense may struggle. I haven't ruled out that we can win but that's not my criteria for a successful game.

I'll be ok if he shows competency in his decision making process.

Beyond that I'm really more interested in how the defense does. I expect we'll be able to be much better against the run with Bighill at MLB and the year's experience of our DL.

How quickly does the interm ( without Leggett ) secondary perform. Do we stop the explosive plays that have haunted us in the past.

I am pretty much in the same boat but I think we have a realstic chance of winning.

Those explosive plays need to stop here and now on D.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 12, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
I think the defense 'gets it done' this year... it appears that we have addressed all of the areas of concern from last year, now have a solid front 7 and more experience in the secondary... may have to gel just a bit to get use to everyone and their assignments but by the end of the year, barring major injuries, this thing should really hummm...

It should!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 12, 2018, 04:25:56 PM
It should!

I have a feeling that you'll be more than satisfied this year with the performance of the defense...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 12, 2018, 04:38:29 PM
I am pretty much in the same boat but I think we have a realstic chance of winning.

Those explosive plays need to stop here and now on D.


Oh I think we have a realistic chance of winning when you look at the injuries the Esks have and the fact we're playing at home.

Winning is always good but in this instance I could understand losing and not be as upset perhaps if Nichols was playing for example.

I want to see that we play intelligently, not take foolish penalties and get ranked over the coals by big plays.

The opponents are there to make big plays and will do so. The question is whether we get beat physically or make mental errors etc.

We're pretty good at not making turnovers but creating them and opportunities that come with turnovers.

Essentially playing as close as possible to an error free kind of game. No game is ever error free but we can limit errors.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 12, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
I have a feeling that you'll be more than satisfied this year with the performance of the defense...

That's the hope. That said Alexander was deemed a weakness in 2017 and I don't think he had a particularly great pre season. Fogg was not deemed good enough to start last year. Neither Leggett or Wild may be able to play this week.

So for this week I'm not sure. Going forward when we get the starters back I'm more optimistic for the season.

I'll continue to be pessimistic about Hall's soft coverage schemes until he proves otherwise.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: PurpleReign on June 12, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
Have a good feeling.  We are going to pound Edmonton.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 12, 2018, 07:00:12 PM
Vegas has Edmonton as 6 point favourites at the moment. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blueraid on June 12, 2018, 07:01:25 PM


Essentially playing as close as possible to an error free kind of game. No game is ever error free but we can limit errors.

AND if by error free you mean taking dumb penalties at crucial times as well....by all means...We cannot give Edm. any freebies or easy outs


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 12, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
AND if by error free you mean taking dumb penalties at crucial times as well....by all means...We cannot give Edm. any freebies or easy outs


That's about it. Also don't want to see Derel Walker 10 yards past the secondary kind of play either.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 12, 2018, 07:59:18 PM
That's about it. Also don't want to see Derel Walker 10 yards past the secondary kind of play either.

X2

Earth to Loftler. Do not need to cover for Hurl anymore dude. As far as I am concerned Loftler needs a bounce back year from a sophomore slump.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Pigskin on June 12, 2018, 08:44:36 PM
Only 6 point, they must love our D.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 12, 2018, 08:56:18 PM
Only 6 point, they must love our D.

Bighill, Roh and Fenner are a giant improvement. Gaitor I'm a little more aprehensive about but he's had a good TC and does come with some experience.

Overall the secondary improves just by the improvements and experience along the DL and front 7 in particular.

The short term downside is that we might not have Leggett starting and Wild as a DI depth. That has a domino affect but here's hoping we can survive those changes on defense while our offense deals with not having Nichols.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 12, 2018, 09:15:20 PM
It is going to interesting to see how having Bighill affects Loffler's game.  He seems to be a pretty good field general, having Fenner in there too will help, once Moe gets back too, that's going to be a heck of a D...  if Alexander is our only "weak" spot, yikes... 

Ball hawking shut down D...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 12, 2018, 10:00:26 PM
It is going to interesting to see how having Bighill affects Loffler's game.  He seems to be a pretty good field general, having Fenner in there too will help, once Moe gets back too, that's going to be a heck of a D...  if Alexander is our only "weak" spot, yikes... 

Ball hawking shut down D...

Yeah the potential is looking really good. Even Alexander might vastly improve in his 2nd year. In any case he could end up as the DI when Leggett returns.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: buckzumhoff on June 12, 2018, 11:33:39 PM
If he doesn?t get the offense moving in the first half pull him and put in Bennett or Ross. I?m sure O?Shea will pull quicker than he has in past games .  I think Streveller  can move the ball but going against Reilly we may need Bennett . . I don?t think Edmonton is as good as they were last year. John white is a better running back than Gable. Should be able to shut him down.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: NewBlue on June 13, 2018, 12:19:10 AM
This is the only reason I'm not so cool with Strev starting already....you don't want to pull him too early and blow his confidence. 
I would have rathered Ross was pulled early and Strev came in.

Also, you guys were saying that it was probably Lapo that suggested Strev, I'm thinking it was more Buck.  He kinda plays like him.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: swansong on June 13, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
The team will need others to step up, too. Not just on offense but the defense will have to be much improved.

Yep. There's no place for Hall to hide this year. He has all the tools. If the D flounders we'll know why, for sure.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Nic16 on June 13, 2018, 02:24:20 AM
Caught the last hr+ of practice today.

I thought Streveler looked pretty good...but that?s practice. He spread the ball around and can make all the throws when he has time and gets his feet set. He looks strong and athletic, and to be honest he looks like he would be slow until I seen him chase down Leggett after an Int. The kid has legit speed...which will catch the opposing D off guard once he gets comfortable with the right times to use it.

I really hope he doesn?t get too frazzled from the pressure Ed?s D will throw at him. Because IMO, if he can get time and in a bit of a rythm he has the offensive weapons to make things easier on him.

Btw...Bennett showed off his arm by threading a 15-20 yd dart through a crowd on a timing play to Lankford. I only mention it because it was an impressive play that drew some applause from the O and the type of play that can be a confidence booster.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Bombers9256 on June 13, 2018, 03:02:14 AM
Can you imagine if Streveler lights it up game 1? It will be insane. Probably not going to happen but dare to dream. I was there for Willy's first game where he lit up Toronto for four TD's. pretty special night. Too bad that didn't last but with Streveler, what if?? Just imagine if he's another Ray, coming straight from college and "getting it" right away. We certainly deserve that in Winnipeg. Just can't think of a good nickname for him. But I won't get too ahead of myself.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on June 13, 2018, 12:02:00 PM
X2

Earth to Loftler. Do not need to cover for Hurl anymore dude. As far as I am concerned Loftler needs a bounce back year from a sophomore slump.

I love that he was an All-Star but had a bad year.  I dare say he had a very good year, but it just wasn't a typical 'Safety' year.  He was given points for covering for a HUGE weekness we had at middle linebacker.  Now that we have Bighill and he can focus on being a Safety again.... I'm expecting big things.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 13, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
Yep. There's no place for Hall to hide this year. He has all the tools. If the D flounders we'll know why, for sure.

Agreed. If it struggles and suffers from the same issues as in the past, I think it'll ultimately come down to system and that'll be squarely on Hall.

The personnel upgrades have been made. No excuses anymore.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on June 13, 2018, 01:04:17 PM
This is the only reason I'm not so cool with Strev starting already....you don't want to pull him too early and blow his confidence. 
I would have rathered Ross was pulled early and Strev came in.

Also, you guys were saying that it was probably Lapo that suggested Strev, I'm thinking it was more Buck.  He kinda plays like him.

I would actually like to see them platoon a bit.  Unless he's lighting it up.  Give him a series off here and there to see from the side then go back out.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 13, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
http://www.rodpedersen.com/2018/06/10-things-for-famoso-pizzeria_13.html

Pederson given Streveler some love... or setting him up... ;)

9 - THE NEXT DIETER BROCK: That's what Winnipeg's hoping rookie Chris Streveler will be when he starts at QB for the Bombers against Edmonton Thursday night. FYI Streveler is the first QB to go directly from the NCAA to his first CFL start since Anthony Calvillo in 1994. Before that, it was Jeff Bentrim in Saskatchewan in 1987. The next Dieter Brock!

Weird aside... he actually quoted Troy Westwood on who the SSK starter would be... why?

8 - SPEAKING OF WAITING: Rider coach Chris Jones wasn't fuming this week over the attention paid to his starting QB but he still can't figure out why it's such a big story. Perhaps he still isn't used to how things go in Riderville. What Chris Jones WEARS is a story, let alone his starting QB. There is still some doubt over who it will be on Friday but as TSN Radio's Troy Westwood said on the SportsCage, "I'd be shocked if it's not Zach Collaros". I think we all would be. Although Brandon Bridge is getting his share of reps so it wouldn't shock me to see him on the field from time-to-time in special situations.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 13, 2018, 01:17:34 PM
Caught the last hr+ of practice today.

I thought Streveler looked pretty good...but that?s practice. He spread the ball around and can make all the throws when he has time and gets his feet set. He looks strong and athletic, and to be honest he looks like he would be slow until I seen him chase down Leggett after an Int. The kid has legit speed...which will catch the opposing D off guard once he gets comfortable with the right times to use it.

I really hope he doesn?t get too frazzled from the pressure Ed?s D will throw at him. Because IMO, if he can get time and in a bit of a rythm he has the offensive weapons to make things easier on him.

Btw...Bennett showed off his arm by threading a 15-20 yd dart through a crowd on a timing play to Lankford. I only mention it because it was an impressive play that drew some applause from the O and the type of play that can be a confidence booster.

Not to discount all of what you posted: The thing that made me really take notice was that Leggett was practicing and pulled down an int. He's such a rock on defense and I hope he can play possibly as a DI for this game.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 13, 2018, 01:29:30 PM
Also the fact that he was returning kicks....if he is taking defensive reps...and kick returning...pretty good indicator he is good to go and if and when his conditioning is where it should be he will be in line-up.

I'd be shocked if he isn't in the line-up for game 2...and I won't be shocked if he is in the line-up game 1.

I truly think he was held out of TC activities to give him that extra bit of healing time to minimize any type of set back. He is a proven vet and pro and we know exactly what he brings to the table..no need for excessive un-needed wear and tear when we can use his TC reps to evaluate other players.

I can hardly wait to see a bomber defense that will feature Jeffcoat..Poop..Nevis...OPO/ROH with JSK...Biggie..Fenner and Moe paroling the second level

How so called experts think that Jefferson..Steele..Evans..Hughes with Hurl..Moncrief and Eqoeuvan or however you spell it is supposed to be this deadly defense is beyond me...I'd take ours over that any day....Throw in a Loffler...Gaitor and Randle against a Gainey..Jovon and Edem/Brouilette and the defenses aren't even close....just don't see the Saskatchewan love


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on June 13, 2018, 01:36:42 PM
QB Depth Chart:

Streveler
Bennett
Ross

Interesting.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 13, 2018, 02:51:22 PM
Also the fact that he was returning kicks....if he is taking defensive reps...and kick returning...pretty good indicator he is good to go and if and when his conditioning is where it should be he will be in line-up.

I'd be shocked if he isn't in the line-up for game 2...and I won't be shocked if he is in the line-up game 1.

I truly think he was held out of TC activities to give him that extra bit of healing time to minimize any type of set back. He is a proven vet and pro and we know exactly what he brings to the table..no need for excessive un-needed wear and tear when we can use his TC reps to evaluate other players.

I can hardly wait to see a bomber defense that will feature Jeffcoat..Poop..Nevis...OPO/ROH with JSK...Biggie..Fenner and Moe paroling the second level

How so called experts think that Jefferson..Steele..Evans..Hughes with Hurl..Moncrief and Eqoeuvan or however you spell it is supposed to be this deadly defense is beyond me...I'd take ours over that any day....Throw in a Loffler...Gaitor and Randle against a Gainey..Jovon and Edem/Brouilette and the defenses aren't even close....just don't see the Saskatchewan love


I don't think there is as much Rider love as is being professed. The media just don't feel like weeding through all the Rider wingnut fan tweets from guys like Migs so they just throw out what they want to hear.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 13, 2018, 02:53:38 PM
Also the fact that he was returning kicks....if he is taking defensive reps...and kick returning...pretty good indicator he is good to go and if and when his conditioning is where it should be he will be in line-up.

I'd be shocked if he isn't in the line-up for game 2...and I won't be shocked if he is in the line-up game 1.

I truly think he was held out of TC activities to give him that extra bit of healing time to minimize any type of set back. He is a proven vet and pro and we know exactly what he brings to the table..no need for excessive un-needed wear and tear when we can use his TC reps to evaluate other players.

I can hardly wait to see a bomber defense that will feature Jeffcoat..Poop..Nevis...OPO/ROH with JSK...Biggie..Fenner and Moe paroling the second level

How so called experts think that Jefferson..Steele..Evans..Hughes with Hurl..Moncrief and Eqoeuvan or however you spell it is supposed to be this deadly defense is beyond me...I'd take ours over that any day....Throw in a Loffler...Gaitor and Randle against a Gainey..Jovon and Edem/Brouilette and the defenses aren't even close....just don't see the Saskatchewan love


SSK will have a good defence because Chris Jones is an excellent DC. However, man for man our defence is much more talented. If Hall can adjust his defensive scheme to our personnel our defence will be top notch when Leggett comes back.
Lots of people are pumping the Riders tires for getting guys like Hughes and Collaros and I'm not sure why. DE and QB were the least of their problems last year. They still haven't fixed the middle of their DL, have hugely regressed at LBer, still have suspect NAT depth, and have made zero improvement...maybe even regressed at OL. This is not a better team than last year and they added a huge question mark vs steady performance at QB.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 13, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
QB Depth Chart:

Streveler
Bennett
Ross

Interesting.

That is interesting. But the only guy who didn't throw a TD in the exb season was Ross. No risk no reward I guess.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 13, 2018, 03:19:09 PM
I don't think there is as much Rider love as is being professed. The media just don't feel like weeding through all the Rider wingnut fan tweets from guys like Migs so they just throw out what they want to hear.
great point and likely true. No one wants crying rider fans LOL


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: The Zipp on June 13, 2018, 03:21:32 PM
QB Depth Chart:

Streveler
Bennett
Ross

Interesting.

I thought Bennett was better than Ross...maybe better than Strev too...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
I thought Bennett was better than Ross...maybe better than Strev too...

Bennett is my early favourite of the 3.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 13, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
Bennett is my early favourite of the 3.
I like him too, but he seemed to have accuracy issues last game in BC, but that could have been the receivers running the wrong routes. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Stats Junkie on June 13, 2018, 04:48:35 PM
Chris Streveler is poised to join the list of QBs who went from college one year to opening day starter in the CFL the following year.

(https://2vjifa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m-ilXV6m7fuTM-i3D7E3CcmauLNZSn3KnkVMrLoY2-7GbVac15Vsor9Ieppo6Nhz5pzyijkd3dVhEreJKUisFd2GgkMkfT2XMkVsDtV_MpgjW_zb2_d9mhpOxTcgHAJ0xzDsxH3X1hhRLIKpdjSIrkSBtb_VpJXlY9A5WJtEGaSLrT2SQQFO9aVgVHszv66p9ftYVV7a8IHWOEjLvHGpcTQ?width=445&height=512&cropmode=none)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 13, 2018, 04:55:53 PM
Chris Streveler is poised to join the list of QBs who went from college one year to opening day starter in the CFL the following year.

(https://2vjifa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m-ilXV6m7fuTM-i3D7E3CcmauLNZSn3KnkVMrLoY2-7GbVac15Vsor9Ieppo6Nhz5pzyijkd3dVhEreJKUisFd2GgkMkfT2XMkVsDtV_MpgjW_zb2_d9mhpOxTcgHAJ0xzDsxH3X1hhRLIKpdjSIrkSBtb_VpJXlY9A5WJtEGaSLrT2SQQFO9aVgVHszv66p9ftYVV7a8IHWOEjLvHGpcTQ?width=445&height=512&cropmode=none)
Only the 1 millionth time I've heard this stat reported about Streveler!   ;)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 13, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
I think I heard somewhere that Streveler will be the first QB to go straight from senior NCAA to starting QB of a CFL club since Calvillo.

1,000,001


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Fred C Dobbs on June 13, 2018, 05:07:03 PM
Sure but who's the only player on that list who finished the year by leading his team to a Grey Cup berth?  ;)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 13, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
Sure but who's the only player on that list who finished the year by leading his team to a Grey Cup berth?  ;)

Chris Streveler...hehe


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Stats Junkie on June 13, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
Sure but who's the only player on that list who finished the year by leading his team to a Grey Cup berth?  ;)
If you go by the list published by the CFL, the answer is Joe Theismann. He does not make my list because Greg Barton actually started the first game of the 1971 season for the Argonauts.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
Interesting quote from 3Down on Streveler:

?A better QB is a phone call away. It sure seems like a major gamble,? another source added.

http://3downnation.com/2018/06/13/new-bombers-qb-chris-streveler-has-off-the-charts-athleticism/


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Jesse on June 13, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
Interesting quote from 3Down on Streveler:

?A better QB is a phone call away. It sure seems like a major gamble,? another source added.

http://3downnation.com/2018/06/13/new-bombers-qb-chris-streveler-has-off-the-charts-athleticism/

My take: someone from Hamilton who thought we should give them something for Adams.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Colton on June 13, 2018, 07:45:40 PM
Interesting quote from 3Down on Streveler:

?A better QB is a phone call away. It sure seems like a major gamble,? another source added.

http://3downnation.com/2018/06/13/new-bombers-qb-chris-streveler-has-off-the-charts-athleticism/

Why would he even include those two quotes in the article from "Sources"? There is zero context as to who those two sources are.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 13, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
My take: someone from Hamilton who thought we should give them something for Adams.

Yeah, with no context besides "a source", it's hard to put any meaning to that quote. I'm not sure why that would even make it in the article. Anyway, there's not a QB out there that's a phone call away who'd come in and start on less than a week with his new team...

Actually, one thing I found kinda interesting in that article is that Streveler turned down NFL mini-camp opportunities to sign here.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: PurpleReign on June 13, 2018, 08:07:18 PM
The better QB is Durant.  No thanks  ;D


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 13, 2018, 08:22:39 PM
Why would he even include those two quotes in the article from "Sources"? There is zero context as to who those two sources are.
His source is probably his buddy John Hodge  :D


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 13, 2018, 08:24:07 PM
The better QB is Durant.  No thanks  ;D
I assumed it was Vernon Adams, but ya, could be Durant too.

Did you guys see Hamilton is converting Vernon Adams to a receiver? 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 13, 2018, 09:42:52 PM
My take: someone from Hamilton who thought we should give them something for Adams.

Thought we were talking QB's... Adams is a Rec, isn't he? ;)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Pigskin on June 14, 2018, 03:08:39 AM
As I said a week ago, rider or die with our young QB's. Baptism by fire. Edmonton will bring the house until our O burns them. So it would be nice to burn them early. Ball control will be a big plus tomorrow.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on June 14, 2018, 03:21:32 AM
His source is probably his buddy John Hodge  :D


And yet you come here being " the source '  at times.   Yet expect everyone to jus beleive you.

Give me a break dude.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on June 14, 2018, 03:33:04 AM
Im kinda looking forward to what this Strev has in him. I liked his style for the most part. Hes got some skills that are needed in the CFL.

So many of these guys come around n just die off. But i kinda wonder if this guy can pull it off with the team hes got around him.


Dont do dumb *** things and try not to win the game your self. Jus keep control and use the ppl around you.

If he does this i think we can get a W


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 14, 2018, 05:12:46 AM
if the line can buy this kid some time, I think he'll be fine... he doesn't need all day, just enough to make his read and decide what to do... he may not make the right choice but I don't see him getting rattled, it's 'what he does'... I picked us to win before they named a starting QB as I believe it lies in the hands of the O line more than the QB chosen. Streveler was just a bonus in my case...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 14, 2018, 07:52:51 AM

And yet you come here being " the source '  at times.   Yet expect everyone to jus beleive you.

Give me a break dude.
I?m never the source. I do regularly post info from sources though from a Bomber media. Maybe get your facts straight before taking personal shots.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 1chad on June 14, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
Looking forward to seeing this guy play.  Get rid of the ball quickly, don't throw into double coverage, hand off to Harris a ton. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Norm W on June 14, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
I expect Harris will be seeing special attention all night, if I'm the Esk's DC I'm spying him on every down and sending pressure, lots and often.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 14, 2018, 11:44:38 AM
I expect Harris will be seeing special attention all night, if I'm the Esk's DC I'm spying him on every down and sending pressure, lots and often.
I agree, but we have so many weapons, if they try to shut down Harris, other guys will be open and will step up. 

The more I think about it, I'm pretty optimistic about winning tonight's game! 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 14, 2018, 11:47:52 AM
I think Demski will have a big night... and the usual, Adams.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sammy225 on June 14, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
I expect Harris will be seeing special attention all night, if I'm the Esk's DC I'm spying him on every down and sending pressure, lots and often.

This is where i trust Lapo to be creative.... Dressler in motion lots and short slants from him could be key. Opens up Harris a bit more and with Strevelers big arm you could open up that homerun shot to our two towers in Adams and Bowman


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 14, 2018, 12:17:09 PM
I think as well that Bowman is going to play with a little extra fire and show the Esk's what a mistake they made...he is going to have a hay day I think with the patchwork Edm secondary...he also knows several of them well and how to exploit them


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 14, 2018, 12:28:31 PM
I think as well that Bowman is going to play with a little extra fire and show the Esk's what a mistake they made...he is going to have a hay day I think with the patchwork Edm secondary...he also knows several of them well and how to exploit them

Forgot that Bowman has been practicing against this D for years...  hope he's passed some choice nuggets along to his crew...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Norm W on June 14, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
I'm hoping things fall into place for our new young gun and he's able to find all the new weapons, but the reality is the odds of him doing so are not in his favor. I expect he's going to make some plays, he's going to use his feet and he might even complete a couple deep balls, but I also expect him to turn it over and throw into things he didn't see because of the game speed and his unfamiliarity to it. I've actually picked the Bomber to win, but I think they can do it without the offense putting 35 points on the board. I expect special teams and the defense will put us in the win column tonight.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 66 Chevelle on June 14, 2018, 01:05:45 PM
what may play into our favor is that Streveler has no history with any of the receivers, therefore, you can't play off of anyone because to him, they're all equal, if one is open he is going to them... may help to keep the defense spread thin...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 14, 2018, 01:21:39 PM
what may play into our favor is that Streveler has no history with any of the receivers, therefore, you can't play off of anyone because to him, they're all equal, if one is open he is going to them... may help to keep the defense spread thin...

Receivers get first looks because they earn them over time. Strev will know who those receivers are.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 14, 2018, 01:22:50 PM
I'm hoping things fall into place for our new young gun and he's able to find all the new weapons, but the reality is the odds of him doing so are not in his favor. I expect he's going to make some plays, he's going to use his feet and he might even complete a couple deep balls, but I also expect him to turn it over and throw into things he didn't see because of the game speed and his unfamiliarity to it. I've actually picked the Bomber to win, but I think they can do it without the offense putting 35 points on the board. I expect special teams and the defense will put us in the win column tonight.

I doubt Streveler win the game for us tonight. The best I think we can hope for is that he doesn't lose it for us, and D and ST have a great start to the season.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_or_die on June 14, 2018, 01:31:53 PM
I doubt Streveler win the game for us tonight. The best I think we can hope for is that he doesn't lose it for us, and D and ST have a great start to the season.

And that Harris runs like a stallion.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 14, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
IDK. Esks have Drahiem at LT and Kelly at RT. Receivers include Hazelton, Stafford and Adjei. Secondary is unrecognizable rookies.

Our DL should have a great game and our secondary should be able to cover these guys.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on June 14, 2018, 02:00:32 PM
Seems to me QBs starting their first game in the CFL usually do fairly well for some reason, at least in regards to W/L. No actual data to back this up though.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 14, 2018, 02:07:12 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/979737038307110914

Apparently Mr Strev's has eclipsed the 4.45 forty time at a testing....man get him in open space or a seam on a QB DRAW and he is gonzo!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 14, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/979737038307110914

Apparently Mr Strev's has eclipsed the 4.45 forty time at a testing....man get him in open space or a seam on a QB DRAW and he is gonzo!

6'2, 220 and 4.45 speed... no wonder they had him at WR in Minnesota.  Thinking the option plays might factor in... just hope he doesn't start relying on that too much or go to it first when he has so many other options.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Ladybug on June 14, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
Seems to me QBs starting their first game in the CFL usually do fairly well for some reason, at least in regards to W/L. No actual data to back this up though.

It seems that way to me too.

I think this might be because first timers have beat the bombers quite often. Particularly in our lean years.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on June 14, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
It seems that way to me too.

I think this might be because first timers have beat the bombers quite often. Particularly in our lean years.

Yes, Bo Levi Mitchell and the legendary Rocky Butler immediately come to mind!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_or_die on June 14, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
I fully expect Strev to take off often and use his legs. In fact, I personally think that's the primary reason he's starting tonight- because he can do that if he's not seeing his receivers or if the Dline comes knocking on every play.

Rather than take too long to get rid of the ball by taking too long on his reads, I'm picturing him rolling out (not part of the play!) himself for at least a pitch to Harris, if not a gainer himself, rather than take the sack.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 14, 2018, 07:06:09 PM
Most likely Streveler stinks up the joint tonight.  But there's also the possibility that we witness the birth of a star.  Will be interesting tonight! 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 14, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
I fully expect Strev to take off often and use his legs. In fact, I personally think that's the primary reason he's starting tonight- because he can do that if he's not seeing his receivers or if the Dline comes knocking on every play.

Rather than take too long to get rid of the ball by taking too long on his reads, I'm picturing him rolling out (not part of the play!) himself for at least a pitch to Harris, if not a gainer himself, rather than take the sack.

I understand your wish to think this, but there is no basis for it.  Most "athletic" QB's that come into the league and fail, do so because they fall into this exact thing.  I have heard coaches say that they don't want QB's to do this more this spring than I can remember.  With Manzeil especially, yes, turning a busted play into a gain is a nice ability to have, no coach wants a QB to go off script to do it. 

And Streveler, while he has the speed and athleticism to do that, certainly does not want to jeopardize his position and development by resort to it as a staple.  And, again, I see no reason to think that he will do so.



Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: kkc60 on June 14, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Most likely Streveler stinks up the joint tonight.  But there's also the possibility that we witness the birth of a star.  Will be interesting tonight! 
Way to stay positive ;)


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_or_die on June 14, 2018, 07:56:37 PM
I understand your wish to think this, but there is no basis for it.  Most "athletic" QB's that come into the league and fail, do so because they fall into this exact thing.  I have heard coaches say that they don't want QB's to do this more this spring than I can remember.  With Manzeil especially, yes, turning a busted play into a gain is a nice ability to have, no coach wants a QB to go off script to do it. 

And Streveler, while he has the speed and athleticism to do that, certainly does not want to jeopardize his position and development by resort to it as a staple.  And, again, I see no reason to think that he will do so.



...What?  ???

Are you suggesting Streveler is going to be thinking as Sewell is leaping toward him, "Uh oh! Better roll out and try to get as many yards as possible- I see a hole! *Shakes head and comes down to earth* Wait Chris, remember what coach O'Shea said: resorting to trying to recover a broken play is not good for the development of a young QB. I've gotta take my lumps."

If he does this, then we should be concerned.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 14, 2018, 08:29:07 PM
Tim and Sid talking pretty highly about Streveler right now. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 14, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
...What?  ???

Are you suggesting Streveler is going to be thinking as Sewell is leaping toward him, "Uh oh! Better roll out and try to get as many yards as possible- I see a hole! *Shakes head and comes down to earth* Wait Chris, remember what coach O'Shea said: resorting to trying to recover a broken play is not good for the development of a young QB. I've gotta take my lumps."

If he does this, then we should be concerned.

Actually, he should be smiling as his Oline forces Sewell past him and he has already released the ball to Bowman for a first down...

I have no problem with him pulling it down and scrambling... it just can't be all the time. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
Tim and Sid talking pretty highly about Streveler right now. 

Ah missed it!

Talking to stupid Mitch Marner now!😭


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 14, 2018, 08:51:13 PM
Ah missed it!

Talking to stupid Mitch Marner now!😭
Tim was saying Streveler will make a bigger impact this season than Manziel.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2018, 08:53:51 PM
Tim was saying Streveler will make a bigger impact this season than Manziel.

Money!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2018, 08:54:31 PM
I enjoy Tim and Sid......sometimes..lol


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 14, 2018, 08:57:22 PM
I understand your wish to think this, but there is no basis for it.  Most "athletic" QB's that come into the league and fail, do so because they fall into this exact thing.  I have heard coaches say that they don't want QB's to do this more this spring than I can remember.  With Manzeil especially, yes, turning a busted play into a gain is a nice ability to have, no coach wants a QB to go off script to do it. 

And Streveler, while he has the speed and athleticism to do that, certainly does not want to jeopardize his position and development by resort to it as a staple.  And, again, I see no reason to think that he will do so.

The problem is the Esks. D will do everything they can to confuse Streveller with false looks and he won't comprehend what's about to transpire in the 2 seconds he's given to react to it.  Both Ross and Bennett would have a small advantage in being able to recognize what's likely to happen pre-snap.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 14, 2018, 09:30:23 PM
2 hours to game time. Let the festivities begin!! GO BOMBERS


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: The Zipp on June 14, 2018, 09:33:26 PM
Most likely Streveler stinks up the joint tonight.  But there's also the possibility that we witness the birth of a star.  Will be interesting tonight! 

Based on the odds and what I saw last week against BC - this pure rookie is going to have a rough night. 

Never even been on the sidelines of a regular season pro game.  The CFL game typically eats rookie QB?s alive - hopefully ol? strev can be the exception. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 14, 2018, 10:07:13 PM
The problem is the Esks. D will do everything they can to confuse Streveller with false looks and he won't comprehend what's about to transpire in the 2 seconds he's given to react to it.  Both Ross and Bennett would have a small advantage in being able to recognize what's likely to happen pre-snap.

So, the Esks have come up with some new defensive structure that can confuse a QB?   Isn't every D in the game trying to send fake looks and confuse a QB?

You do realize that this "kid" has one Masters degree, and is 5 credits short of his second.  This is no dummy here, he is very smart, and seems very composed.   


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 14, 2018, 10:15:42 PM
We all know it took 6 years for CAvillo to become elite... but his first game?

http://3downnation.com/2018/06/13/new-bombers-qb-chris-streveler-has-off-the-charts-athleticism/

Streveler will be the first quarterback since Anthony Calvillo with the Las Vegas Posse in 1994 to be the Week 1 starting quarterback of a CFL team straight out of university (ace stats man Steve Daniel deserves credit). Calvillo went 12-of-28 for 170 yards with three touchdown passes and more importantly no interceptions as the Posse beat the Sacramento Gold Miners 36-32.

He won...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 15, 2018, 06:00:25 AM
Pretty impressive, this kid is going to be something in this league...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 15, 2018, 06:01:06 AM
Pretty impressive, this kid is going to be something in this league...
Agreed. With more seasoning he?s going to be a star.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bunker on June 15, 2018, 06:12:07 AM
Good debut but far too early to tell. Many QBs look promising early, only to fade as time goes on.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bwiser on June 15, 2018, 06:46:50 AM
I have seen a lot of Qbs come and go and this guy seems to be special. I know its only one game but I like his arm,his speed and his poise.I would like to see where he goes from here.He is the most promising newcomer I have seen in my many years of watching this team.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 15, 2018, 11:51:21 AM
I have seen a lot of Qbs come and go and this guy seems to be special. I know its only one game but I like his arm,his speed and his poise.I would like to see where he goes from here.He is the most promising newcomer I have seen in my many years of watching this team.

Joey Elliott's first game was outstanding. He won the player of the week for it. Just saying. However, young Streveler looks promising.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: jayrock on June 15, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
He looked good for sure. But to base anything off of last nights stop and start game is not a good idea. Plus how many times has a rookie come in and looked great the first game and gone down from their.



Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2018, 12:09:39 PM
Joey Elliott's first game was outstanding. He won the player of the week for it. Just saying. However, young Streveler looks promising.

Agreed. It's just one game but the potential is certainly there.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 15, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
I have no idea if Streveler is going to be a star or not, but I think we can accurately conclude that he's good enough that it was the right call not to move assets out and trade for a QB to start for the first few weeks of the season. You wouldn't have gotten better QB play from anyone else that's available.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: TKTKD on June 15, 2018, 12:50:57 PM
After you put a full 4 or 5 games under his belt, Streveler will be a FAR better backup option then Darian Durant could have ever been. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 15, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
I have no idea if Streveler is going to be a star or not, but I think we can accurately conclude that he's good enough that it was the right call not to move assets out and trade for a QB to start for the first few weeks of the season. You wouldn't have gotten better QB play from anyone else that's available.

I'll wait to see what our record is over those 4 games before deciding that, but yes, it would appear that Streveler is worth a shot.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Pigskin on June 15, 2018, 01:05:17 PM
He mad a few mistakes, and a couple of bad throws, but all in all, not a bad start for a kid that's only been here for a month. Edmonton where taking every chance they had to take a cheap shot.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 15, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
He mad a few mistakes, and a couple of bad throws, but all in all, not a bad start for a kid that's only been here for a month. Edmonton where taking every chance they had to take a cheap shot.

Definitely as good a first game as one could hope for.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Jesse on June 15, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
Definitely as good a first game as one could hope for.

Some good ups and downs for the kid. Much better than talking up a guy like Brink or Goltz and they show nothing at all.



Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 15, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
The D is suppose to look like it can actually stop big plays. Looks like last year.

Streveler has big game composure. He is as strong as a bull and his running is some of the best I've ever seen in a QB. But he can also throw in the pocket. He had three knock downs so he'll learn more when and how to use the seams to throw or adjust his release higher. At 23 he still has huge upside and a lot of learning to do but make no mistake this is a keeper to develop.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 15, 2018, 01:32:02 PM
The D is suppose to look like it can actually stop big plays. Looks like last year.

Streveler has big game composure. He is as strong as a bull and his running is some of the best I've ever seen in a QB. But he can also throw in the pocket. He had three knock downs so he'll learn more when and how to use the seams to throw or adjust his release higher. At 23 he still has huge upside and a lot of learning to do but make no mistake this is a keeper to develop.


Randle got burned early, but all in all, this was the reigning MOP running that O... 

Yes, we should have been better on D, but Reilly got hammered more than once. 

Big play got s again a couple times, for sure.

I'm not sure if I just missed it, but I didn't see a lot of stunts along the DLine... just trying to bull rush and occasionally LB Blitz.  Edm has a pretty beefy Oline, IMHO I think they needed to make them move more and trip over themselves...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Granqueso on June 15, 2018, 01:34:20 PM
Streveler's a rookie so he did a so-so job. 54% completion rate. Meh.

I thought he wasn't doing a good job finding his receivers and the number of passes batted down at the line of scrimmage tells me was telegraphing his intended receivers. Maybe that part of his game will come along.

What I didn't like what Streveler's lack of accuracy. Anyway, I'm far from sold on this guy having a future in this league.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blueraid on June 15, 2018, 01:36:59 PM
To put it mildly this kid is a keeper....Once Matt is healthy it will feel good knowing we have this guy in the bullpen


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue_or_die on June 15, 2018, 01:41:21 PM
Very happy to develop Streveler for these few weeks. When Matty is back, we will have a solid backup.

This will be fun.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 15, 2018, 01:44:19 PM
Streveler's a rookie so he did a so-so job. 54% completion rate. Meh.

I thought he wasn't doing a good job finding his receivers and the number of passes batted down at the line of scrimmage tells me was telegraphing his intended receivers. Maybe that part of his game will come along.

What I didn't like what Streveler's lack of accuracy. Anyway, I'm far from sold on this guy having a future in this league.

Ummm... he hit 3 TD passes.  And in case you didn't notice, it wasn't a bright, sunny, dry afternoon...  the ball was wet, heavy and you have to think the footing was terrible.  The kid has only been using a CFL ball for less than a month.  

Not excuses, but c'mon man... he had us in the game to the end.  And on the ground, he played like Reilly... blowing up potential tacklers...

He has a future in this league.  How far he can go, sure, that is a question still.  But I'm darned happy with what I've seen so far...



Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Jesse on June 15, 2018, 01:48:27 PM
Strev was exactly like most of us thought. I think it?s exciting that he?s shown us he can shrug off early mistakes and come back and throw for TDs.

His accuracy and timing are certainly issues (he was throwing behind his receivers quite often, with a few hitting the turf), but it would be amazing if they weren?t. This is the kind of thing he should have worked on in practice for a year or two before being thrown in.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 15, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
Ummm... he hit 3 TD passes.  And in case you didn't notice, it wasn't a bright, sunny, dry afternoon...  the ball was wet, heavy and you have to think the footing was terrible.  The kid has only been using a CFL ball for less than a month.  

Not excuses, but c'mon man... he had us in the game to the end.  And on the ground, he played like Reilly... blowing up potential tacklers...

He has a future in this league.  How far he can go, sure, that is a question still.  But I'm darned happy with what I've seen so far...



This!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 15, 2018, 01:57:35 PM
Ummm... he hit 3 TD passes.  And in case you didn't notice, it wasn't a bright, sunny, dry afternoon...  the ball was wet, heavy and you have to think the footing was terrible.  The kid has only been using a CFL ball for less than a month.  

Not excuses, but c'mon man... he had us in the game to the end.  And on the ground, he played like Reilly... blowing up potential tacklers...

He has a future in this league.  How far he can go, sure, that is a question still.  But I'm darned happy with what I've seen so far...



Ya, Aardvark, you're right on this one. He did as good as one could reasonably expect him to do, perhaps better.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 15, 2018, 02:05:12 PM
I think his accuracy is perfectly fine. His timing wasn't all there, which is 100% to be expected given his lack of reps so far. I suspect that was the cause of the short throws he missed (and there were quite a few), because his accuracy on deep throws was fantastic and it was generally good on intermediate ones. He's really good on the run too, except I wonder if he was maybe a little hesitant when he took off, because we saw him throw his weight around a bit but we didn't really see 4.4 speed.

I absolutely LOVED the play he made on a 2nd and 6 or 7 to get the first down to Demski, where he was in trouble but used his legs to extend the play, bought time, got Demski open and at the same time knew exactly where the LOS was. It was only a 7 yard gain, but it was extremely impressive to see that sort of composure from someone as raw as Streveler.

And you've gotta think those kinds of conditions are far from ideal to be making your CFL debut in.

There are two QBs that I've seen have good pre-seasons, seen them get into a couple regular season games, and been absolutely positive they were going to be really good... those are Travis Lulay and Trevor Harris. I'm not quite there with Streveler, but very, very close.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 15, 2018, 02:12:13 PM
As to his speed, I saw it a couple times, one especially when he was flushed from the pocket and the pursuing LB did not catch up to him... usually when you see a QB with the rock running laterally in the backfield, the D player closes fast...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on June 15, 2018, 02:31:11 PM
He led an offence that put up 24 points. He made some mistakes, but he made some plays. This is the best performance I've seen out of a non-starter QB in Winnipeg in forever. He'll have his share of downs as he moves forward, but I won't poop myself if Nichols goes down later in the year.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: DarkDays on June 15, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
The kid's for real.  He's got the tools, and the composure.  His reads will get better with time.

For a guy with only a few weeks' exposure to Mutantball, he did superbly.  And he has huge upside.

He didn't lose the game. (Talk to Coach Hall about that late game collapse)  He made up for rookie mistakes with some great plays.



Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Old Rusty on June 15, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
I was at the rain festival ....er,  game.  Suffering some sleep deprivation!   ;D

I thought Streveler looked a bit tight in the first few downs, and that early INT was nasty that he would love to have back.

Overall I am quite excited by the play this kid.  First game?   I'll take that all day long, my strong hunch is that he's going to be a good QB.  :)

He's pretty strong, and runs well!  His TD to Adams was a thing of beauty.

Having said all of that...
I wish our DBs could cover the long ball.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Maudie fingerjammer on June 15, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
In most cases the ?long balls? were covered well, a matter of inches in most cases. The intermediate balls were a bit loose, good timing on Riley?s part.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blue girl on June 15, 2018, 09:24:12 PM
I liked what I saw, especially that he doesn't get rattled when he makes a mistake or something goes wrong. I think that he'll get better the more experience that he gets and remember that he only had two days to get ready for this game. IMO the offense is in capable hands until Nichols gets back.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: buckzumhoff on June 16, 2018, 01:26:18 AM
Streveller played really good. Down by 10 against Reilly he got them up by 9. 26-17. He has a good arm .  I think Nichols might not have done any better actually.  I think LaPolice has to open up his offence a little more. He is holding back the quarterbacks more than anything . When we had the lead the passes started to be more conservative and out to the sidelines instead of downfield. Not going to win playing safe .


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: PloenFan on June 16, 2018, 02:05:33 AM
Here are a couple of write-ups about Chris Streveler:

Minnesota Gophers Bio:
http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/chris_streveler_839140.html

NFL Scouting report:
http://www.pass2win.com/chris-streveler-qb.html

The kid can pas and run pretty well, kind of like another young guy named Pleon !  :D


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 16, 2018, 05:37:15 PM
Streveller played really good. Down by 10 against Reilly he got them up by 9. 26-17. He has a good arm .  I think Nichols might not have done any better actually.  I think LaPolice has to open up his offence a little more. He is holding back the quarterbacks more than anything . When we had the lead the passes started to be more conservative and out to the sidelines instead of downfield. Not going to win playing safe .

Streveler still has a limited playbook and the weather didn't help a young QB. I expected more carries for Harris though but we had too many 2 and outs etc.

That said, I was still very impressed with Steveler. We knew he had the physical tools. What he showed is that he has the mental aspect needed to succeed.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: DM83 on June 16, 2018, 06:02:16 PM
Store ler was great.  Lapo s play calling sucked.
The kid is a weapon,,and they have him sitting in the pocket, when in a perfect day form a run threat roll out QB, Lap has him sitting in the pocket.

Lapo screwed that up?

Can Strevlor play defence?


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: In Motion on June 17, 2018, 04:28:30 AM
I've seen a lot of football in my day, and I'm high on Streveler.
Have been since Day 1. All he needs is experience.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: fuzzy on June 17, 2018, 04:44:43 AM
Store ler was great.  Lapo s play calling sucked.
The kid is a weapon,,and they have him sitting in the pocket, when in a perfect day form a run threat roll out QB, Lap has him sitting in the pocket.

Lapo screwed that up?

Can Strevlor play defence?
The last series Lapo needed to call QB draw or bootleg on 1st down. Then maybe pass on 2nd down. So and out on incomplete passes doomed Steveler. Otherwise the kid had a pretty good game.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Pigskin on June 17, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
QB draw, or even running AH who is money late in games. Throw A train at them, he would have had fresh legs.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2018, 05:58:32 PM
Late in the game like that you are playing two things...the other team and the play clock  We forgot to play the play clock!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 17, 2018, 08:07:55 PM
QB draw, or even running AH who is money late in games. Throw A train at them, he would have had fresh legs.

Disappointed they didn't make any use of Augustine in the backfield beside Harris, waste of talent and lost opportunity to leave him on the sidelines for the entire game.  LaPo needs to come up with some unexpected wrinkles to take the heat off Streveler and surprise opponents.  The Esks. didn't come close to shutting down Harris but predictably the Bombers drifted away from running the ball as the game progressed.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: kkc60 on June 17, 2018, 08:19:34 PM
Disappointed they didn't make any use of Augustine in the backfield beside Harris, waste of talent and lost opportunity to leave him on the sidelines for the entire game.  LaPo needs to come up with some unexpected wrinkles to take the heat off Streveler and surprise opponents.  The Esks. didn't come close to shutting down Harris but predictably the Bombers drifted away from running the ball as the game progressed.
I think Augustine could start returning kicks once Leggett returns so lankford can be sat


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: dd on June 18, 2018, 02:59:03 AM
Disappointed they didn't make any use of Augustine in the backfield beside Harris, waste of talent and lost opportunity to leave him on the sidelines for the entire game.  LaPo needs to come up with some unexpected wrinkles to take the heat off Streveler and surprise opponents.  The Esks. didn't come close to shutting down Harris but predictably the Bombers drifted away from running the ball as the game progressed.
Agreed. Augustine is too talented to leave languishing on the sidelines. Put him is as a wing back  and have him taking swing passes/screen passes, as well as Harris doing his thing or run a 2 back backfield, do something to get the dude on the field as he is a beast.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 18, 2018, 04:21:29 AM
Disappointed they didn't make any use of Augustine in the backfield beside Harris, waste of talent and lost opportunity to leave him on the sidelines for the entire game.  LaPo needs to come up with some unexpected wrinkles to take the heat off Streveler and surprise opponents.  The Esks. didn't come close to shutting down Harris but predictably the Bombers drifted away from running the ball as the game progressed.

They did not. They just simply couldn't get anything on the ground in the 4th quarter as the offense stalled. Ran on 5 out of 12 offensive plays in the 4th quarter, that's basically the same ratio as the rest of the game. Most of them went nowhere and you're not going to run on 2nd and 7 or 8.

They made use of Demski in the backfield... either of those two I'd have touching the ball before Augustine... sure, he's quick... he can return kicks, wouldn't mind seeing him take that role so we can put someone better than Lankford in the lineup..


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 18, 2018, 05:00:15 PM
Steve Morley tweeted this:

I think Strevler will keep getting better. I smell a qb controversy if Nichols comes back and doesnt play well.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 18, 2018, 05:02:06 PM
Geez Morley is out to lunch. Streveler hasn't even gotten a win in his career and Morley is calling a QB controversy. Sheesh


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Blue In BC on June 18, 2018, 05:02:13 PM
Steve Morley tweeted this:

I think Strevler will keep getting better. I smell a qb controversy if Nichols comes back and doesnt play well.

That's absurd.  Streveler looks to have great upside but there isn't going to be any controversy.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GCn17 on June 18, 2018, 05:05:59 PM
That's absurd.  Streveler looks to have great upside but there isn't going to be any controversy.

Not this year anyway.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 18, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
If he improves over the next few games, there may be a controversy about how quick to bring back Nichols...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 18, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
If Streveler continues to impress AND Nichols comes back and struggles, I absolutely could see it.

I don't think Nichols is going to come back and struggle though. He'll be fine.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: lenny on June 18, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
QB controversy? lol.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bunker on June 18, 2018, 06:29:44 PM
I think the hype on Streveler is a bit out of control. He looked good for a raw rookie. He showed promise. But many bomber (and CFL) QBs have initially looked promising then flamed out. Joey Elliot won player of the week twice when he took over. Streveler is not even close to as good as Nichols is right now. I think the more likely controversy will be whether to keep playing him as our starter if he starts to struggle or regress once other clubs have film on him.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 18, 2018, 06:58:22 PM
Geez Morley is out to lunch. Streveler hasn't even gotten a win in his career and Morley is calling a QB controversy. Sheesh
Consider the source. Morley! Talk about an off the wall character.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on June 18, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
So Streveler  is big, fast, has a good arm, is very intelligent....and on and on.

Why isn't he on an NFL practice roster somewhere?  Is he going to get  a couple years up here then try? 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 18, 2018, 07:14:50 PM
So Streveler  is big, fast, has a good arm, is very intelligent....and on and on.

Why isn't he on an NFL practice roster somewhere?  Is he going to get  a couple years up here then try? 
He got NFL invites but turned them down to play for the Bombers. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bluengold204 on June 18, 2018, 07:20:25 PM
I don't really get the hype on this guy.  He played alright considering he has never taken a meaningful snap before, but the dude barely completed half his passes and didn't pass for more than 200 yards


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: blueraid on June 18, 2018, 07:53:16 PM
I'll tell you how there will be a controversy ...IF Matt comes back and can't stay healthy AND Streveler continues to impress....there's your qb. controversy ..Otherwise I think it's Nichols job to keep.....or lose...Football can be a cruel business


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: bowlerdude on June 18, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
I don't really get the hype on this guy.  He played alright considering he has never taken a meaningful snap before, but the dude barely completed half his passes and didn't pass for more than 200 yards

keep in mind that Streveler was thrown into a situation that nobody has been in for 24 years, and he was three minutes and a defensive meltdown away from beating arguably the best team in the league anyway.

he definitely missed some passes, especially short ones. so you look into why they were missed, and a lot of them just look like the timing wasn't there. well, of course it wasn't - he's been in the CFL for like 6 weeks. so, that's not really very concerning, timing is something you KNOW will improve as he takes more reps.

decision making was there, especially given the circumstances (the first INT was a mistake, but the 2-pt convert INT was pretty much a, "this play's dead, throw it up for grabs and just see if you get lucky" toss). he's fast, he extended plays, showed excellent composure while on the run. showed very good touch on the deep ball.

and you probably noticed... the conditions weren't exactly perfect for a guy making his CFL debut.

it's early, obviously we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but... Streveler was very impressive for reasons far beyond his numbers in Week 1; dismissing that because of the stats sheet just sounds like not really seeing what he did. what it means for his CFL career in the long run, who knows, but he was very good.


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: booch on June 18, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
We will sink or swim with Matt all year regardless. But we are in the process of actually developing a guy and getting him valuable reps in the case that we don't get Dinwiddied again in play-offs...or any game for that matter.

If he continues to impress....and progress then we may be a bit less reluctant to put in the back-up when Matt is struggling in a game...or a few packages here and there in a game for a change of pace.

He should become a lethal QB though in the short yardage goal line scenarios tho...inside the 10 yard line with that running threat...hopefully we create some kind of package for that


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 18, 2018, 08:38:31 PM
If healthy Nichols could play another 4-5 years, Streveler will be most likely be gone in that time.  I can see Streveler more or less languishing away as Nichols backup once he returns, as long as Nichols remains healthy Streveler is going to get very few reps. in the next year or two.  If the past is any indicator Bomber QB development is zilch beyond throwing the backup QB into the deep end as an injury replacement.  If Nichols loses another block of time due to injury later this year or next and they miss the playoffs in either year, different ball-game.  Walters will seriously have to consider whether they will be able to get to the Cup on his back or if it's wiser to plan the future with Streveler or another at the controls. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: gbill2004 on June 18, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
If healthy Nichols could play another 4-5 years, Streveler will be most likely be gone in that time.  I can see Streveler more or less languishing away as Nichols backup once he returns, as long as Nichols remains healthy Streveler is going to get very few reps. in the next year or two.  If the past is any indicator Bomber QB development is zilch beyond throwing the backup QB into the deep end as an injury replacement.  If Nichols loses another block of time due to injury later this year or next and they miss the playoffs in either year, different ball-game.  Walters will seriously have to consider whether they will be able to get to the Cup on his back or if it's wiser to plan the future with Streveler or another at the controls. 

If Lapo ends up in BC next year he might take Streveler with him the following year. 


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 18, 2018, 10:20:24 PM
If Lapo ends up in BC next year he might take Streveler with him the following year. 

Holy Hanna you guys are nuts. Dude has not even won a freaking game yet!


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 18, 2018, 10:34:06 PM
Holy Hanna you guys are nuts. Dude has not even won a freaking game yet!

Just speculating, what role do you see Shreveler playing once Nichols comes back?


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: theaardvark on June 18, 2018, 11:01:26 PM
Just speculating, what role do you see Shreveler playing once Nichols comes back?

He's #2, and short yardage guy, maybe with a package or two...


Title: Re: Streveler to start game 1
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 18, 2018, 11:19:55 PM
Just speculating, what role do you see Shreveler playing once Nichols comes back?

Back up