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Title: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:00:44 PM
#Bombers have agreed to terms with receiver Adarius Bowman. A three-time CFL All-Star, he has amassed 653 receptions, 9,024 yards, and 48 touchdowns in 124 games. Bowman also won the Tom Pate Award this past season for his contributions off the field in the city of Edmonton.

?Adarius will certainly add another level of playmaking ability to our offence, He has grown tremendously both on and off the field over his years in #CFL, & we?re excited to re-unite him with Matt Nichols & watch him work with our receivers in 2018.? - GM Kyle Walters #Bombers


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Ridermania on February 09, 2018, 01:01:50 PM
Good signing by the Bombers, much needed receiving depth!



Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_or_die on February 09, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
BOOM!

This is going to be our year.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:09:26 PM
BOOM!

This is going to be our year.
Agreed.  This makes our offense elite now, and I'd say we have to be Grey Cup favourites now.  This is the exact type of receiver we needed.  Bowman, Adams and Dressler looks pretty sick right now for our receivers.  I'm curious what type of money Walters gave him. 

Let's just hope the D can tighten up a bit.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 09, 2018, 01:11:47 PM
Great news!! This now puts us up there with the other teams receiving cores. Bowman/Dressler/Adams is a good 1-2-3 punch tandem!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_or_die on February 09, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
Agreed.  This makes our offense elite now, and I'd say we have to be Grey Cup favourites now.  This is the exact type of receiver we needed.  Bowman, Adams and Dressler looks pretty sick right now for our receivers.  I'm curious what type of money Walters gave him. 

Let's just hope the D can tighten up a bit.

Agreed on D. Still concerned but it's super super early.

Adams-Dress-Bowman-LDW-Demski

Demski because I'm a homer, LDW so Chevelle comes up north more and buys me dranks.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 09, 2018, 01:14:08 PM
Agreed.  This makes our offense elite now, and I'd say we have to be Grey Cup favourites now.  This is the exact type of receiver we needed.  Bowman, Adams and Dressler looks pretty sick right now for our receivers.  I'm curious what type of money Walters gave him. 

Let's just hope the D can tighten up a bit.

Now let?s go out and sign Dean and a DB!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
Agreed on D. Still concerned but it's super super early.

Adams-Dress-Bowman-LDW-Demski

Demski because I'm a homer, LDW so Chevelle comes up north more and buys me dranks.
Please don't ruin my high by bringing up LDW  ;)


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
Sweet! Big addition! Let's hope he has one more monster year in him.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: the.inkster on February 09, 2018, 01:15:53 PM
wow...just...wow
Can't wait to see the offence in action this coming season


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_or_die on February 09, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
Please don't ruin my high by bringing up LDW  ;)

Lmao. Seriously though, I want someone to step up and make a productive contribution as a #4 rec. Though it'll be hard with all the talent around to spread the ball to. There are only so many DBs to cover us, opening opportunities for some unsung heroes.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:19:53 PM
Lmao. Seriously though, I want someone to step up and make a productive contribution as a #4 rec. Though it'll be hard with all the talent around to spread the ball to. There are only so many DBs to cover us, opening opportunities for some unsung heroes.
Wouldn't surprise me if we are planning on starting 2 Canadian receivers this season. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
I think Myles White might be that guy to step up....Shocked he actually got let go in Green Bay and is even up here to be honest


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:22:17 PM
I think Myles White might be that guy to step up....Shocked he actually got let go in Green Bay and is even up here to be honest
If we start 4 American receivers that makes a lot of sense.  The Bombers are very high on White. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Stretch on February 09, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Hopefully he'll continue his trend of making highlight reel catches at IGF (now in a Bombers uniform).


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Tehedra on February 09, 2018, 01:23:39 PM
I wonder what the numbers look like for bowman with all the interest he had. I hope we didn't pay too much and make it difficult to get a top level MLB to help our backfield.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue96 on February 09, 2018, 01:24:12 PM
BOOM! Great signing, day's off to a great start!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 01:24:14 PM
Great addition to our receiving corps. Hope we didn't break the bank for him though.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:24:37 PM
I wonder what the numbers look like for bowman with all the interest he had. I hope we didn't pay too much and make it difficult to get a top level MLB to help our backfield.
My prediction is it's in the $180-200k range. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
I would be happy with a corp of Adams/Dressler/Bowman/Demski and White with LDW as the extra import rotating in and as import back-up and having Coates and Drew W as national depth and still be able roster Flanders to throw into the mix.

Bowman is a type of receiver and has the skill set where even if and when he loses a step will still be very effective...a nice 1-2 year stop gap if you ask me while we develop and or uncover another stud.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: fansince79 on February 09, 2018, 01:28:14 PM
Love this signing. Never should have let him go to begin with.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:28:28 PM
I would be happy with a corp of Adams/Dressler/Bowman/Demski and White with LDW Givens as the extra import rotating in and as import back-up and having Coates and Drew W as national depth and still be able roster Flanders to throw into the mix.

Bowman is a type of receiver and has the skill set where even if and when he loses a step will still be very effective...a nice 1-2 year stop gap if you ask me while we develop and or uncover another stud.
Corrected  ;)


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:28:49 PM
Great addition to our receiving corps. Hope we didn't break the bank for him though.

I'm sure he wasn't cheap if that's what you mean.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: bluengold204 on February 09, 2018, 01:29:38 PM
Agreed.  This makes our offense elite now, and I'd say we have to be Grey Cup favourites now.  This is the exact type of receiver we needed.  Bowman, Adams and Dressler looks pretty sick right now for our receivers.  I'm curious what type of money Walters gave him. 

Let's just hope the D can tighten up a bit.

I wouldn't say we are cup favorites, our D which was our issue last year has not improved yet in the off season thus far and it looks more and more likely that we will lose Heath to free agency making it worse.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:31:39 PM
I wouldn't say we are cup favorites, our D which was our issue last year has not improved yet in the off season thus far and it looks more and more likely that we will lose Heath to free agency making it worse.
The D is definitely still a question mark, but I am optimistic. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 01:32:14 PM
Corrected  ;)
Either or....but now I think of it Givens does returns too...so thats a plus and allows us to let Lankford go. I do like LDW skillset tho and what he could/can bring if used properly and gives us more diversity in body types.

I would love for LDW to pack on 10 or so pounds..wouldn't affect his speed at all and would make him a much bigger threat


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 01:33:04 PM
I'm sure he wasn't cheap if that's what you mean.

I realize that. There are varying levels of expensive though. If we got him in the 180-190k range, I'd be very happy about that. 200k+....not so much.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:33:34 PM
Anyone recall what Bowman's injury was last year?  Was it a concussion? 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
Either or....but now I think of it Givens does returns too...so thats a plus and allows us to let Lankford go. I do like LDW skillset tho and what he could/can bring if used properly and gives us more diversity in body types.

I would love for LDW to pack on 10 or so pounds..wouldn't affect his speed at all and would make him a much bigger threat

Lankford is terrible. I don't think he's making it out of camp.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 01:34:43 PM
Lankford is terrible. I don't think he's making it out of camp.

Depends on whether we can find an alternate KR or not.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:34:57 PM
I realize that. There are varying levels of expensive though. If we got him in the 180-190k range, I'd be very happy about that. 200k+....not so much.

I hear ya. I think we could probably expect 190k-210k with playtime bonuses.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:35:02 PM
Lankford is terrible. I don't think he's making it out of camp.
You might be right.  While I do like Lankford, Givens is the better receiver of the two, although I think Lankford is a better returner.  


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 09, 2018, 01:35:34 PM
I?m especially happy it?s only a 1 year deal. More incentive for him to have a great season to get rewarded with maybe one last 2 year offer after this season. Whether it?s offered from us or someone else, and after last year being injured and numbers down. He could put up a hell of a season.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 01:36:54 PM
I believe Walker has return experience..so he could be an option there with Givens...also Demski too if we land him...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
Good thing about signing Bowman too is that if Adams and/or Dressler get injured our offense doesn't suddenly fall apart.  We have depth now in the receiving group and can withstand injuries. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 01:39:35 PM
I would be happy with a corp of Adams/Dressler/Bowman/Demski and White with LDW as the extra import rotating in and as import back-up and having Coates and Drew W as national depth and still be able roster Flanders to throw into the mix.

Bowman is a type of receiver and has the skill set where even if and when he loses a step will still be very effective...a nice 1-2 year stop gap if you ask me while we develop and or uncover another stud.

I agree. Bowman's biggest attribute is his ability to always be open. He is a sick route runner....one of the best I've ever seen. He rarely uses speed to get it done. He's like Milt in that regard. He makes great pre-snap reads of his defenders and just turns them inside out.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
I'd say this officially spells the end of Clarence Denmark as a Bomber. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 01:42:32 PM
and is also very good at winning the battles for contested balls.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:43:16 PM
and is also very good at winning the battles for contested balls.
Yep, he will really help our red zone offence. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 09, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
I'd say this officially spells the end of Clarence Denmark as a Bomber. 

Yeah, I have to agree.

I never thought I'd see Bowman back as a Bomber. This signing just seriously upgraded the team's receiving corps! ;D


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:45:48 PM
I'd say this officially spells the end of Clarence Denmark as a Bomber. 

Denmark wins the 'good guy' award and is (was) a loyal Blue Bomber but he was done last year. I'm not sure they'll even bring him to camp.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:46:52 PM
The other guy who should be really happy about this is Darvin Adams. He might have a monster year with Bowman there drawing lots of attention.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Denmark wins the 'good guy' award and is (was) a loyal Blue Bomber but he was done last year. I'm not sure they'll even bring him to camp.
He won't be in camp.  He is a pending free agent.  


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 09, 2018, 01:47:59 PM
The other guy who should be really happy about this is Darvin Adams. He might have a monster year with Bowman there drawing lots of attention.

Adams, Bowman, Dressler... That's a savage triple threat.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 01:51:22 PM
so apparently the Riders offered the most at 160k but Bowman chose Winnipeg over them...for possibly less...so very good signing and will sting those gappers that players choose NOT to be there for less lol


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:52:10 PM
so apparently the Riders offered the most at 160k but Bowman chose Winnipeg over them...for possibly less...so very good signing and will sting those gappers that players choose NOT to be there for less lol
Wow...that's very interesting!  $160k or less is fantastic value! 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
He won't be in camp.  He is a pending free agent.  

Thanks! I couldn't remember. That settles that. He is a guy I hope they treat well through. Hook him up with season tickets and maybe honor him at half-time. Don't think he's ring of honour worthy but he was a fan favourite and loyal Bomber.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
so apparently the Riders offered the most at 160k but Bowman chose Winnipeg over them...for possibly less...so very good signing and will sting those gappers that players choose NOT to be there for less lol

Who says that? Seems low to me.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 09, 2018, 01:53:31 PM
The other guy who should be really happy about this is Darvin Adams. He might have a monster year with Bowman there drawing lots of attention.

Agreed, we just have to hope both Dressler and Adams stay healthy all season.
I?m sure #15 is pretty pumped to see who he has as targets this year. Let?s no forget about him, he could have a career season with this offense if all goes well!!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 01:53:59 PM
#Riders, according to sources, offered the highest $ contract at nearly $160K ? Bowman was said to want to return to a place he felt gave him the best chance to win & somewhere he already had a level of comfort. - @jeffkhamilton #CFL #Bombers

According to sources, the Eskimos offered Bowman a deal close to $125,000 to remain in Edmonton. - @jeffkhamilton #CFL #Bombers #Esks


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
#Riders, according to sources, offered the highest $ contract at nearly $160K ? Bowman was said to want to return to a place he felt gave him the best chance to win & somewhere he already had a level of comfort. - @jeffkhamilton #CFL #Bombers

According to sources, the Eskimos offered Bowman a deal close to $125,000 to remain in Edmonton. - @jeffkhamilton #CFL #Bombers #Esks

Wow!!!  :o :o


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 09, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
#Riders, according to sources, offered the highest $ contract at nearly $160K ? Bowman was said to want to return to a place he felt gave him the best chance to win & somewhere he already had a level of comfort. - @jeffkhamilton #CFL #Bombers

According to sources, the Eskimos offered Bowman a deal close to $125,000 to remain in Edmonton. - @jeffkhamilton #CFL #Bombers #Esks

If the Bombers got Bowman for $130-150K, that's a great deal.

And I love that the Riders offered him the most money and he still turned 'em down. :D


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: kkc60 on February 09, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
If we start 4 American receivers that makes a lot of sense.  The Bombers are very high on White. 
Plus I'm pretty sure he can return kicks


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 09, 2018, 02:03:58 PM
Lankford is terrible. I don't think he's making it out of camp.

I think Lankford is under rated. Very good speed , returns kicks, catches long balls thrown to him like that 70 yard bomb where he burned Ottawas defense. But the quarterback and the coordinator will make this receiver and that receiver look good by throwing to them often .  Bowman is a gamble . He was a bust here last time. With Reilly he had lots of time to get open Here he won't get that luxury . He will have 5 seconds if that to make his move and get open .Catches won't be where he had the time to find a wide open space where Reilly would scramble. Thought they could do better than Bowman. Spend the money on defense and another Canadian RB .


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 02:10:56 PM
I think Lankford is under rated. Very good speed , returns kicks, catches long balls thrown to him like that 70 yard bomb where he burned Ottawas defense. But the quarterback and the coordinator will make this receiver and that receiver look good by throwing to them often .  Bowman is a gamble . He was a bust here last time. With Reilly he had lots of time to get open Here he won't get that luxury . He will have 5 seconds if that to make his move and get open .Catches won't be where he had the time to find a wide open space where Reilly would scramble. Thought they could do better than Bowman. Spend the money on defense and another Canadian RB .

Sorry - maybe terrible is a little harsh. He is good at taking the top off the defense with his speed. He isn't so good in traffic and he's definitely not a precise route runner. Probably hasn't needed to be good at that due to his speed, but in the CFL it holds him back. He also tended to either take plays off or lack awareness that he was going to be targeted. His return game was okay if we blocked it up perfectly and he could hit a hole but he's not very elusive or good at making guys miss. In the CFL, the best returners have a mix of speed and agility/elusiveness on the big field and he's really only got speed.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2018, 02:12:50 PM
Instant improvement to our receiving corps. If the reports of his salary are correct that's remarkable and shows that players WANT to come to Winnipeg.

The question will be whether this cost us talent on the defensive side of the roster or not. That's a TBD issue which we may see part of the answer when free agents hits next week.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 02:18:03 PM
Rider fans are now all saying that they're glad they didn't get Bowman  :D


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 09, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
Rider fans are now all saying that they're glad they didn't get Bowman  :D

Would you expect anything less?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
In fairness to Riderfans, since Bowman was released the majority were hoping the Riders wouldn't go after him. It's probably cause they knew deep down inside that Bowman wouldn't go there. :)


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
Yes!

Now we need to go get Finch.  Rotate him in a speed position with Bowman and Adams on the outside and Harris or Flanders in the backfield.  There aren't enough defenders on the field to cover that package.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: sting on February 09, 2018, 02:26:58 PM
Funny how times change. I remember when Mike Kelly traded Goodspeed for Bowman and he was roasted for it.
Glad to have him back.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue72 on February 09, 2018, 02:27:34 PM
Not to impressed with the scouting of our team, we went from a young team to:
Bowman-33, Bryant-31, Dressler-32, Durant-35, Harris-30, Remple-35, Neufeld-30, Randle-29, Galton-29, Adams-28, Medlock-34. Leggett-?

Our receiving core has gotten better with the Bowman signing but Dressler, Adams and Bowman never played a full year with injuries last couple years.

So if our scouting dept can't find younger and better players this year we will be in trouble next year. Mcmanus, Gouela and Walters have been will us for what 3-4 years already and we have to sign players that are past there prime for big money.

Walters should have spent the money on a guy like Daniels that is only 25 and a good size receiver and someone that could replace Dressler next year. Walters will have to draft smart this year as Neufeld hasn't played a full year as a starter for a while and quit a few of these guys will have to be replaced with younger and "cheaper" guys next year.

As for trading with other teams, there really isn't much that any other team would take from our current group except  maybe Adams or maybe one of our 2 younger OLinemen.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:28:47 PM
I am extremely happy that we were able to get Bowman for Kenny Stafford money. Why in blue blazes would no one offer him more than 160k?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2018, 02:30:19 PM
Yes!

Now we need to go get Finch.  Rotate him in a speed position with Bowman and Adams on the outside and Harris or Flanders in the backfield.  There aren't enough defenders on the field to cover that package.

I don't think we'd have the ability from a ratio point of view to see Flanders and Finch on the field at the same time. Well we could pull a starting receiver to accomplish this on a given play but I don't think it would make sense in a practical way doing it often. Perhaps in short red zone where RB types might be shiftier than big bodied receivers?

Getting Finch would be great and give us more options on offense. One of Finch or Flanders would have to be a DI though. That's not a bad thing just a ratio thing on offense.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:30:45 PM
Not to impressed with the scouting of our team, we went from a young team to:
Bowman-33, Bryant-31, Dressler-32, Durant-35, Harris-30, Remple-35, Neufeld-30, Randle-29, Galton-29, Adams-28, Medlock-34. Leggett-?

Our receiving core has gotten better with the Bowman signing but Dressler, Adams and Bowman never played a full year with injuries last couple years.

So if our scouting dept can't find younger and better players this year we will be in trouble next year. Mcmanus, Gouela and Walters have been will us for what 3-4 years already and we have to sign players that are past there prime for big money.

Walters should have spent the money on a guy like Daniels that is only 25 and a good size receiver and someone that could replace Dressler next year. Walters will have to draft smart this year as Neufeld hasn't played a full year as a starter for a while and quit a few of these guys will have to be replaced with younger and "cheaper" guys next year.

As for trading with other teams, there really isn't much that any other team would take from our current group except  maybe Adams or maybe one of our 2 younger OLinemen.

We were the 3rd youngest team in the CFL last year. Find me one team in the league without key veterans pushing or over 30 and I will show you a team beginning a rebuild.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2018, 02:31:19 PM
I am extremely happy that we were able to get Bowman for Kenny Stafford money. Why in blue blazes would no one offer him more than 160k?

Some teams are pretty set at receiver and others may be looking to see which talented guys reach free agency on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 09, 2018, 02:35:31 PM
I remember Bowman dropping a lot of Balls for the schos.

I don't want to see that here!

Good depth signing however

I want Finch


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 09, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Yes!

Now we need to go get Finch.  Rotate him in a speed position with Bowman and Adams on the outside and Harris or Flanders in the backfield.  There aren't enough defenders on the field to cover that package.
AGREED!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blueraid on February 09, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
A very important piece pf the puzzle just fell into place....Excellent signing....Opposition will not be able to key on Adams anymore as they have another threat to worry about...Nichols must have a big smile on his face cuz we just got a whole lot better


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: The Zipp on February 09, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
Sources say there were multiple teams in the mix for star receiver Adarius Bowman, who ultimately signed a one-year deal with the Bombers in the $140,000 range. - @JDunk12 #CFL #Bombers


The culture in Winnipeg and the feeling that the Bombers can compete for a Grey Cup title ultimately won Bowman over. - @JDunk12 #CFL #Bombers


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:39:06 PM
Dunk says we got him for 140k!! I don't think that heading into the offseason that anyone could have dreamed up a better fix/cost for our receiving corps. We get an elite big bodied receiver for 140k. Walters is probably pinching himself to make sure he isn't dreaming. This probably opened up 30 or 40k of cap space that Walters budgeted for our play on a receiver in FA. Might have saved us Westerman. We'll have to see.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 02:39:12 PM
Sources say there were multiple teams in the mix for star receiver Adarius Bowman, who ultimately signed a one-year deal with the Bombers in the $140,000 range. - @JDunk12 #CFL #Bombers
$140k...unbelievable!  Well done Mr. Walters.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
Wasnt happy when i first heard...  less happy when someone here cojectures $190k plus.

At south of $150k, i can suffer a few drops, but i reserve a few "itodaso"s when they happen.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
How and why Adarius Bowman landed with the Bombers
Posted on February 9, 2018 by Justin Dunk // 1 Comment
Sources say there were multiple teams in the mix for star receiver Adarius Bowman, who ultimately signed a one-year deal with the Bombers in the $140,000 range.

The Riders made a substantial offer and were hot on him early while the Lions weren?t willing to dedicate the cap space to another receiver. The Argos made a late push but Montreal was never really a consideration due to their unproven quarterbacking situation.

Saskatchewan had coaching connections with Chris Jones and Stephen McAdoo under which Bowman flourished while together in Edmonton. Back-to-back 1,300-yard-plus season in 2014 (1,456 yards) and 2015 (1,304), but the fit wasn?t there for Bowman.

New B.C. offensive coordinator Jarious Jackson was the passing game coordinator for those two impressive seasons Bowman had in Edmonton and he wanted Bowman, but B.C. general manager Ed Hervey, who knows the big pass catcher from many years together in Edmonton, wasn?t willing to use more funds at that position.


Toronto entered the proceedings in the fourth quarter, trying to make twin towers in their receiving core by pairing Bowman with S.J. Green. Marc Trestman thinks very highly of how Bowman conducts himself on the field and the work he does in the community.

?The ball was in the Argos court,? one source said. But the shot was blocked by Bowman when he decided on Winnipeg.

The culture in Winnipeg and the feeling that the Bombers can compete for a Grey Cup title ultimately won Bowman over. Mike O?Shea has created a strong locker room and the 32-year-old will fit well in there. Bowman spent one season in Saskatchewan and in his first tour in the Peg under current Bombers offensive coordinator Paul LaPolice.

Winnipeg franchise quarterback Matt Nichols had four years in Edmonton with Bowman, familiarity no other team could offer at football?s most important position. That sealed the deal late for the Bombers.

?He makes the wrong choice and his career is over. It can?t all be based on money,? another source said. ?Right fit is the most important.?

http://3downnation.com/2018/02/09/why-adarius-bowman-landed-in-the-peg/


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:43:05 PM
Wasnt happy when i first heard...  less happy when someone here cojectures $109k plus.

At south of $150k, i can suffer a few drops, but i reserve a few "itodaso"s when they happen.

Once again Walters goes anti-Aards with his team building. That must hurt when he continually does the opposite of what you want despite you being his biggest proponent. When he re-signs Westerman in the next couple days are you going to be OK?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
Wasnt happy when i first heard...  less happy when someone here cojectures $190k plus.

At south of $150k, i can suffer a few drops, but i reserve a few "itodaso"s when they happen.


You can't claim todasos on something everybody already knows will happen. Bowman will put up big yards, Bowman will drop balls...everyone knows that already. It's an exchange most of us understand and are happy with. So todaso if you want after a drop, as long as you are willing to acknowledge the todasos everytime that Bowman has a big catch, or his presence allows Harris a big run or gets Adams/Dressler into single coverage.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Marni on February 09, 2018, 02:50:39 PM
Omg I?m so excited!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:51:34 PM
Omg I?m so excited!

This is a good day Marni....a very good day.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 02:51:38 PM
You can't claim todasos on something everybody already knows will happen. Bowman will put up big yards, Bowman will drop balls, Bowman will draw increased defensive attention, freeing up other targets for Nichols...everyone knows that already. It's an exchange most of us understand and are happy with.

Revised it for you.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2018, 02:52:10 PM
Dunk says we got him for 140k!! I don't think that heading into the offseason that anyone could have dreamed up a better fix/cost for our receiving corps. We get an elite big bodied receiver for 140k. Walters is probably pinching himself to make sure he isn't dreaming. This probably opened up 30 or 40k of cap space that Walters budgeted for our play on a receiver in FA. Might have saved us Westerman. We'll have to see.

Good point.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:54:02 PM
Good point.

Edmonton just gives and gives. Nichols.. don't want him...give us a ham sandwich and he's yours.....Bowman...meh...you can have him.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 02:55:56 PM
Revised it for you.

Preaching to the choir man...preaching to the choir.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:00:00 PM
so apparently the Riders offered the most at 160k but Bowman chose Winnipeg over them...for possibly less...so very good signing and will sting those gappers that players choose NOT to be there for less lol

It won't sting right away because they are not smart enough to figure it out. It will sting when Collaros is fumbling around behind center creating turnovers and getting sacked because Duron Carter is suspended/released/being a locker room cancer (pick one) and the Gappers are left to wonder how did their offence go South so quickly. Then light will don on marble head and they will remember that Bowman could have been a Rider but he chose the Peg instead.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: wpg#1 on February 09, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
All I remember is getting upset every time Bowman made BIG plays against us over the last 3 years, and other teams for that matter !!
Glad he's a Blue Bomber now !!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 03:06:28 PM
Bowman and Harris will be signing autographs tomorrow at the Bomber Store at IGF. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 03:07:25 PM
I also like the fact that the 2018 Adarius Bowman fits in well with the "community" aspect of this team.  He did a lot of good in Edmonton off the field in his time there, no doubt he will bring some of that to the Peg.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:11:49 PM
....and my wife thought I was stupid for not giving my 2010 Bowman pro stitch jersey away to good will..ha ha...I get the last laugh woman.... :P If I were in the country right now I'd be getting it signed tomorrow.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: TBURGESS on February 09, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
At 175K, this would have been a good signing. At 140K, it's a great signing. Certainly the biggest FA acquisition for us so far. I'd like to thank Mr Denmark for his services and wish him the best of luck in his future endeavours.

It will be funny to read all the anger around here when Bowman continues to drop his 1 or 2 balls a game and great to read the kudos when he torches other teams deep. Now we need to shore up the defense and we might actually have a team that can compete for the Grey Cup.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: fansince79 on February 09, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
Wasnt happy when i first heard...  less happy when someone here cojectures $190k plus.

At south of $150k, i can suffer a few drops, but i reserve a few "itodaso"s when they happen.


Do we get to reserve a few itodyasos when he proves u wrong and makes 7 catches in a game in coverage and 3 are for TDs?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:14:21 PM
At 175K, this would have been a good signing. At 140K, it's a great signing. Certainly the biggest FA acquisition for us so far. I'd like to thank Mr Denmark for his services and wish him the best of luck in his future endeavours.

It will be funny to read all the anger around here when Bowman continues to drop his 1 or 2 balls a game and great to read the kudos when he torches other teams deep. Now we need to shore up the defense and we might actually have a team that can compete for the Grey Cup.

I am framing this post TBurg.....might be the most positive one I've ever read from you. You must really love this deal. :P


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Colton on February 09, 2018, 03:14:39 PM
Love it. Unsure if he'll be as good as he has been in the past, but even 75% of his past production would be a huge threat.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 03:17:28 PM
With Bowman essentially replacing Denmark, who was rumored to be making $100k, and Bowman making $140k, it's quite likely that Walters has the same SMS allotted to the receivers group, because Dressler was rumored to have taken a pay cut.  Maybe not a $40k pay cut, but the overall numbers look to be very, very close. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: TBURGESS on February 09, 2018, 03:20:31 PM
I am framing this post TBurg.....might be the most positive one I've ever read from you. You must really love this deal. :P
I've been positive about most of the signings this year. Having a big receiver who is a valid deep threat is just what our offense needed, so yah, I really like this deal. Bowman > Denmark and it's not even close.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:23:37 PM
I've been positive about most of the signings this year. Having a big receiver who is a valid deep threat is just what our offense needed, so yah, I really like this deal. Bowman > Denmark and it's not even close.

Just bugging TB....just bugging.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
With Bowman essentially replacing Denmark, who was rumored to be making $100k, and Bowman making $140k, it's quite likely that Walters has the same SMS allotted to the receivers group, because Dressler was rumored to have taken a pay cut.  Maybe not a $40k pay cut, but the overall numbers look to be very, very close. 

Yep. All signs point to us still having some significant dollars to spend on the 14th (or before). I think we're going to have a few more threads announcing player acquisitions to cheer about before long.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
Yep. All signs point to us still having some significant dollars to spend on the 14th (or before). I think we're going to have a few more threads announcing player acquisitions to cheer about before long.

The Bowman signing will have a positive impact on our SMS imo. Walters has stated that he had money put aside for FA to get a quality receiver. I guarantee he had more than 140k allocated to that. I would not be surprised if this signing suddenly frees up dollars that Walters thought he would be spending on improving our receiver corps. Who knows, he may be able to give Westerman the money he wants now, or Heath, or use it to get a better MLBer than he thought.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: bluebeard on February 09, 2018, 03:31:04 PM
With Bowman essentially replacing Denmark, who was rumored to be making $100k, and Bowman making $140k, it's quite likely that Walters has the same SMS allotted to the receivers group, because Dressler was rumored to have taken a pay cut.  Maybe not a $40k pay cut, but the overall numbers look to be very, very close. 

I can not see any downside to this signing.  I feel that if we can sign a ML with knowledge of the CFL game, we have bought a ticket to the GC game.  Anyone know if there was any upfront money paid?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
With Bowman essentially replacing Denmark, who was rumored to be making $100k, and Bowman making $140k, it's quite likely that Walters has the same SMS allotted to the receivers group, because Dressler was rumored to have taken a pay cut.  Maybe not a $40k pay cut, but the overall numbers look to be very, very close. 

With losing JFG we probably saved some SMS room. That said I wouldn't be upset to re-sign JFG if possible.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on February 09, 2018, 03:33:56 PM
Looks like we are going with "The best defense is a good offense".

Stay on the field and just outscore your opponent.  That is fun to watch.

I do hate that "oh please catch this one" feeling when they toss a long ball to Bowman.  But it's very worth it.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 09, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
i AGREE....I bet we had probably 165-185k allotted toward an impact receiver..and we got one for significantly less, and with time before free agency to re-strategise on needs, and where to spend our money...so this signing I think makes us an even bigger player in free agency if we want, or allows us now to re-think the hows and why's for Westerman and or Heath...if we figured we may have had to move on from one or both...maybe we don't have to now...In the CFL SMS world a savings of 30-40k somewhere can go a long way elsewhere


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2018, 03:35:48 PM
I can not see any downside to this signing.  I feel that if we can sign a ML with knowledge of the CFL game, we have bought a ticket to the GC game.  Anyone know if there was any upfront money paid?

Whoa Nelly. There is still the issue of ratio to contend with if we lose Westerman. Losing Heath would also be a tough choice / situation as well.

They may have been planning all along that Santos -Knox is penciled in as the MLB going into TC. Would love to get one of the very good ones available in free agency but we need to sign our own top defensive players.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
Whoa Nelly. There is still the issue of ratio to contend with if we lose Westerman. Losing Heath would also be a tough choice / situation as well.

They may have been planning all along that Santos -Knox is penciled in as the MLB going into TC. Would love to get one of the very good ones available in free agency but we need to sign our own top defensive players.

Sounds like Walters will be sending some strong hints to potential FA's around the league today in a well timed FA discussion with the media. Reading between the lines today at 12:30 should give us a good idea the direction Walters will go in on Tuesday, while sending messages to players around the league as to where we may have money put aside for.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on February 09, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Sounds like Walters will be sending some strong hints to potential FA's around the league today in a well timed FA discussion with the media. Reading between the lines today at 12:30 should give us a good idea the direction Walters will go in on Tuesday, while sending messages to players around the league as to where we may have money put aside for.

Very smart way to not tamper but to say...yeah we'll be doing thing and that.  Wink wink


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:48:11 PM
Whoa Nelly. There is still the issue of ratio to contend with if we lose Westerman. Losing Heath would also be a tough choice / situation as well.

They may have been planning all along that Santos -Knox is penciled in as the MLB going into TC. Would love to get one of the very good ones available in free agency but we need to sign our own top defensive players.

Yes...the ratio very much concerns me as well. Nic Demski would certainly help that, and I think that some very strong hints have been dropped already about him coming home. Would LOVE to see Westerman re-signed though.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
Very smart way to not tamper but to say...yeah we'll be doing thing and that.  Wink wink

Absolutely. He can use this as a chance to personally confirm his interest to the players he has already been negotiating with indirectly through back channels. Can't specifically name them, of course, but they will know that the back channel info is for real and Walters will receive the first call from their agents.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 03:53:24 PM
We probably have to sign (at the very least) Demski/Parker or JFG for Canadian Receiver content.  I'd personally prefer the first two, but I don't see any of the three being anything more than an outlet/possession receiver.

I suspect that the pre FA signing of Bowman's caliber has shifted our FA thoughts a bit.  If internal money has been freed up, I would guess Westerman gets it before Heath.

Have to sign Woods/Reed/or Dean.

Would love to see Finch here.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 09, 2018, 04:04:56 PM
I'd love to see Finch here as well, and would have signed him over Bowman if push came to shove.

We have a very solid 1-3 receiving corps, capable of keeping up with the other teams in the league. Coates showed he can get it done and we'll resign JFG so we'll have decent NAT content as well.

we need a MLB and another 1-2 Db's and we're set. I wouldn't say we're Grey Cup favourites, we still need to address issues on D before we become the favourites, but we're moving towards becoming legitimate contenders with the Calgary and Edmontons of the league.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 04:07:49 PM
Calgary won't be in the running in the West this year.  It's going to be a micro rebuild year for them.  If they get to the GC again, I'd bet it's through the East.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on February 09, 2018, 04:10:59 PM
Calgary won't be in the running in the West this year.  It's going to be a micro rebuild year for them.  If they get to the GC again, I'd bet it's through the East.

People always they that about Calgary.  And those good for nothings just keep winning.  Hope you are right though.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: bwiser on February 09, 2018, 04:28:00 PM
I'd say this officially spells the end of Clarence Denmark as a Bomber. 
You are probably right.Denmark had a lot of great games with the Bombers but Father Time is undefeated.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 04:35:11 PM
People always they that about Calgary.  And those good for nothings just keep winning.  Hope you are right though.

No Messam, no Finch, no Daniels, gonna bet McDaniels is probably on the way out.  That's a lot of production they are going to need to fill.  I think they jumped the gun on Hughes as well (he has more left in the tank than Lewis did when they let him go, and he still managed a decent season and a bit on a lousy team).  Federkeil retired.  Campbell probably gone as well.

The cracks started to show last year, and I suspect they will widen this year.  I honestly hope I'm wrong (they're easy to cheer for as my #2 team).


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: TBURGESS on February 09, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
CFL Headlines - Stampeders release veteran receiver Marquay McDaniel https://goo.gl/fb/ivCBRH


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 04:40:33 PM
CFL Headlines - Stampeders release veteran receiver Marquay McDaniel https://goo.gl/fb/ivCBRH

Wow.  I'm gonna start hypothesizing about other releases.  And buy a lottery ticket.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Pigskin on February 09, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
Good receiver, but couldn't see him in Calgary after the Grey Cup.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 09, 2018, 04:56:52 PM
CFL Headlines - Stampeders release veteran receiver Marquay McDaniel https://goo.gl/fb/ivCBRH

Kinda surprised it took this long after he threw a teammate under the bus after the Grey Cup.

Hopefully, he retires. Good riddance.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 05:00:42 PM
Kinda surprised it took this long after he threw a teammate under the bus after the Grey Cup.

Hopefully, he retires. Good riddance.

Nah, he'll end up on the Als.

Huff's clearly got some kind of agenda in place, but it seems to be focusing on the long game.  Maybe he's trying to setup the team prior to his retirement so Dickenson inherits a winner in his first year as GM?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 09, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
Exactly. If I was Huffer, I would have cut him immediately after his post Grey Cup rant. The guy is a cancer and nobody wants that in their locker room. He's as classless as they come. A has been that never was. Good riddance is right.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2018, 05:13:59 PM
Nah, he'll end up on the Als.

Huff's clearly got some kind of agenda in place, but it seems to be focusing on the long game.  Maybe he's trying to setup the team prior to his retirement so Dickenson inherits a winner in his first year as GM?

Sounds like a guy for Kavis or depending how badly the Riders want another receiver (they were in on Bowman for some reason) maybe Chris Jones snags him.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on February 09, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
No Messam, no Finch, no Daniels, gonna bet McDaniels is probably on the way out.  That's a lot of production they are going to need to fill.  I think they jumped the gun on Hughes as well (he has more left in the tank than Lewis did when they let him go, and he still managed a decent season and a bit on a lousy team).  Federkeil retired.  Campbell probably gone as well.

The cracks started to show last year, and I suspect they will widen this year.  I honestly hope I'm wrong (they're easy to cheer for as my #2 team).

Well that was spooky.  I shall question you no more.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 09, 2018, 05:50:46 PM
Well that was spooky.  I shall question you no more.

I think the writing was on the wall for McDaniels when they re signed Jordan earlier this offseason. No way both guys were coming back.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: The Zipp on February 09, 2018, 06:13:04 PM
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Bowman, again, as he did back in November, apologizes to #Bombers fans for his first stint in Winnipeg. Feels he didn't give enough as a player back then and has grown a lot since.

He didn't have to. That's a high character individual.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: jeremy q public on February 09, 2018, 06:17:48 PM
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Bowman, again, as he did back in November, apologizes to #Bombers fans for his first stint in Winnipeg. Feels he didn't give enough as a player back then and has grown a lot since.

He didn't have to. That's a high character individual.

Dang this is getting me downright pumped on having him back. When we were speculating on signing him I wasn't sure, but I didn't know much about him as a person. Sounds like a classy guy.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: jeremy q public on February 09, 2018, 06:20:56 PM
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The culture in Winnipeg and the feeling that the Bombers can compete for a Grey Cup title ultimately won Bowman over. Mike O'Shea has created a strong locker room and the 32-year-old will fit well in there.

I hope fans will remember this when the season is on and O'Shea fails to badmouth the team as much as we sometimes would like. Yeah, when the defense is struggling or a certain player had a bad game, it would be nice to hear the coach acknowledge your concerns, but throwing  players under the bus isn't how O'Shea has built the locker room that is now drawing us marquis players at bargain prices.

Every team in this league spends pretty much exactly the same amount of money on player salaries, so one of the biggest advantages you can have is being able to sign players for cheap because they want to play here.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_or_die on February 09, 2018, 06:51:27 PM
Life is good.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 07:14:35 PM
Only downside to this signing is that we will now have to listen to Rod Black say "It's the age of Adarius" every single Bomber game  :D


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 09, 2018, 07:16:41 PM
Only downside to this signing is that we will now have to listen to Rod Black say "It's the age of Adarius" every single Bomber game  :D

Will that become a double drink in the game ?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Jockitch on February 09, 2018, 07:34:34 PM
Walters has built up the excitement nicely with some well timed announcements. Some earlier resigns led to a big hurrah with Leggett the other day.
Now Bowman's inking caused a huge crescendo of fans cheering for what is to come in the new season.

TC can't happen fast enough .......... may I add that I am hopeful that Wolitarsky becomes an important contributor.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue girl on February 09, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
I have to admit that I wasn't originally a fan of this signing but if we got him for $140,000 then I'm all for it. Now Mr. Walters re-sign Westerman, get Demski and either re-sign Heath or get another veteran DB and I will be doing my happy dance.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: pjrocksmb on February 09, 2018, 08:47:14 PM
I said pass on him but I am happy we got him and if reports are true, we didn't overpay.  I don't think he will be healthy all year but that's ok if that's the case.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 09, 2018, 09:04:46 PM
well, he had better be worth 2 TDs a game if we're robbing Peter to pay Paul...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 09:12:56 PM
well, he had better be worth 2 TDs a game if we're robbing Peter to pay Paul...

Sure.  Why not.  Almost twice Milt's best season.  Completely plausible.



Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 09, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
Sure.  Why not.  Almost twice Milt's best season.  Completely plausible.



anything is plausible... but plausible and a buck still only gets you a cup of coffee...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 09, 2018, 09:35:52 PM
So would your Nichols bashing....touche..
.

Big diff between a bash and an opinion. And on top of that it's my opinion about a player on the team....not about another person posting their opinions on the bomber forum.....

Everyone looks so happy to have Bowman.....no excuse not to get the ball downfield this season I think eh...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 09:37:13 PM
anything is plausible... but plausible and a buck still only gets you a cup of coffee...

Clearly I failed to use the sarcasm font.  Bowman's season best for TDs I believe is somewhere around 10, so why anyone would expect triple that is simply ridiculous.  It's the 100+ yards a game, and the fact that he's going to draw a lot of defensive attention that we need, two things we weren't getting out of Denmark or the other perennial practice roster receivers.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 09, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
Clearly I failed to use the sarcasm font.  Bowman's season best for TDs I believe is somewhere around 10, so why anyone would expect triple that is simply ridiculous.  It's the 100+ yards a game, and the fact that he's going to draw a lot of defensive attention that we need, two things we weren't getting out of Denmark or the other perennial practice roster receivers.

clearly you can't read my mind either, as being worth 2 TD's doesn't imply he has to score them, otherwise I would have typed he better 'score' 2 TDs a game, which I didn't. see the difference there? But feel free to bash our other receivers for no reason as they had nothing to do with the comment... oh wait, you already did... nevermind...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 09, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
clearly you can't read my mind either, as being worth 2 TD's doesn't imply he has to score them, otherwise I would have typed he better 'score' 2 TDs a game, which I didn't. see the difference there? But feel free to bash our other receivers for no reason as they had nothing to do with the comment... oh wait, you already did... nevermind...

I didn't bash any receivers.  I like Denmark, I'm pretty sure I've never said a bad thing about him on this site, but he's not in the same league as Bowman, he would currently be fourth behind Dressler, and clearly at his current pay level he can't be that guy.  As to Givens, LDW, and the like - they are completely interchangeable with any other injury substitution receiver in the league, and are not game changers.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 09, 2018, 11:03:29 PM
I didn't bash any receivers.  I like Denmark, I'm pretty sure I've never said a bad thing about him on this site, but he's not in the same league as Bowman, he would currently be fourth behind Dressler, and clearly at his current pay level he can't be that guy.  As to Givens, LDW, and the like - they are completely interchangeable with any other injury substitution receiver in the league, and are not game changers.

I thought this was a bowman thread...  plus, I didn't realize that 4th and 5th option receivers are game changers... I thought that that title, along with the money, went to 1st and 2nd options... and now maybe 3rd options as well... but if we're being honest, if being a 'game changer' is a requirement to be on this team, those 2 wouldn't be the only ones without a job...  and just because I let it go the other day, doesn't make you right, just that I have better things to do with my time than show you up...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 09, 2018, 11:30:55 PM
Matt Nichols did a media session today. He looked like a little boy on Christmas morning, taking about Bowman and how it?ll open up the offence, and new the options it presents. He looked so excited and had perma-smile the entire 15 minutes.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: pjrocksmb on February 09, 2018, 11:40:00 PM
well, he had better be worth 2 TDs a game if we're robbing Peter to pay Paul...

this


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 10, 2018, 12:27:59 AM
I thought this was a bowman thread...  plus, I didn't realize that 4th and 5th option receivers are game changers... I thought that that title, along with the money, went to 1st and 2nd options... and now maybe 3rd options as well... but if we're being honest, if being a 'game changer' is a requirement to be on this team, those 2 wouldn't be the only ones without a job...  and just because I let it go the other day, doesn't make you right, just that I have better things to do with my time than show you up...

You are correct, it is a Bowman thread.  And I aptly pointed out what Bowman brings to the table, which is something we have been severely lacking (less Darvin Adams) for a number of years.  Your point was "robbing Peter to pay Paul so he better perform" is simply not valid in my opinion, because we landed an excellent receiver for a very reasonable price, and it will open up the offence in ways not seen since Milt, Bobby, Arland, and Geroy suited up.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 12:35:21 AM
You are correct, it is a Bowman thread.  And I aptly pointed out what Bowman brings to the table, which is something we have been severely lacking (less Darvin Adams) for a number of years.  Your point was "robbing Peter to pay Paul so he better perform" is simply not valid in my opinion, because we landed an excellent receiver for a very reasonable price, and it will open up the offence in ways not seen since Milt, Bobby, Arland, and Geroy suited up.

Exactly. Nichols went into this in his presser today.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 10, 2018, 12:37:53 AM
Bowman brings another much needed dimension to our offense, a bonafide deep threat that can kill defenses.

Adams and Bowman will be pushing the field vertically, and Dressler will be able to do his Jet/drag crossing patterns across the field and then we have Harris to force the LB's to pull up and defend him. We are going to absolutely shred defenses!!!!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:14:47 AM
You are correct, it is a Bowman thread.  And I aptly pointed out what Bowman brings to the table, which is something we have been severely lacking (less Darvin Adams) for a number of years.  Your point was "robbing Peter to pay Paul so he better perform" is simply not valid in my opinion, because we landed an excellent receiver for a very reasonable price, and it will open up the offence in ways not seen since Milt, Bobby, Arland, and Geroy suited up.


offense needed help, defense needs to be fixed... I didn't say that Bowman doesn't bring anything to the table... but all year long all we heard was how bad the defense is, how it needs to be fixed, blah blah blah... maybe we should fix the defense, how about that... or, or.... or... Bowman's presence needs to be worth 2 td's a game, otherwise it's more of the same next year... i.e. sitting home during the Grey Cup.... not really a difficult concept to understand, unless you're trying to pick a fight, now is it???


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:21:27 AM
Exactly. Nichols went into this in his presser today.

so it's all fixed? we're good to go now?  seriously?

I mean I get it, hater gonna hate, but... to think this is the best way to help team? I'm literally speechless...  Well, I hope you all enjoy Hurl back at MLB and continuing to have the same secondary... never mind we have no clue as to how to tackle people.... but by god, you all got the receiver you wanted! A 32 year old man that was hampered by a hamstring problem last year, oh, and don't forget, has a tendency to drop balls...  so yeah, if signing him means we do nothing on defense, it was stupid...

We were dead last in most defensive categories last year... LAST.... so yeah, he better be worth 2 TD's a game cause I got a feeling we're gonna need'em...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Tehedra on February 10, 2018, 01:22:30 AM
offense needed help, defense needs to be fixed... I didn't say that Bowman doesn't bring anything to the table... but all year long all we heard was how bad the defense is, how it needs to be fixed, blah blah blah... maybe we should fix the defense, how about that... or, or.... or... Bowman's presence needs to be worth 2 td's a game, otherwise it's more of the same next year... i.e. sitting home during the Grey Cup.... not really a difficult concept to understand, unless you're trying to pick a fight, now is it???

I think what the others are saying is we upgraded without spending much more on the SMS, which means that this doesn't have a bearing on what happens on the defensive side.  If the rumours are true about what he signed for.  They are saying we didn't "rob peter to pay paul" which would imply that we took money out of the SMS dollars for the defense to put those dollars into the offense.  What we did was shift around offensive dollars and landed bowman.  With Bond and Denmark and JFG leaving the over all cost of Bowman, insert OL man here, and insert canadian receiver here, will be roughly similar costs.

We do still need to improve on defense; and I am sure we all agree on that, not a single one of us believe our defense doesn't need to improve.  This move makes our offense better, and hopefully we can make moves that also improve our defense as well. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:25:18 AM
Bowman brings another much needed dimension to our offense, a bonafide deep threat that can kill defenses.

Adams and Bowman will be pushing the field vertically, and Dressler will be able to do his Jet/drag crossing patterns across the field and then we have Harris to force the LB's to pull up and defend him. We are going to absolutely shred defenses!!!!

so now everyone is ok with throwing out the game manager, high percentage throws, ball security game plan?  wow.... did you all forget what you said last week already?  the part when I was talking about stretching the field some?  No, that's not what Lapo does, that's not who Nichols is.... blah blah blah.... now you all are throwing bombs every other plan.... freaking hilarious!

at least I take a position and stand firm....how can you be taken seriously?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Tehedra on February 10, 2018, 01:28:54 AM
so now everyone is ok with throwing out the game manager, high percentage throws, ball security game plan?  wow.... did you all forget what you said last week already?  the part when I was talking about stretching the field some?  No, that's not what Lapo does, that's not who Nichols is.... blah blah blah.... now you all are throwing bombs every other plan.... freaking hilarious!

at least I take a position and stand firm....how can you be taken seriously?

I believe many stated that Lapo changes his offense based on his receivers; I still doubt that Nichols will throw the ball into triple coverage and what not as he is a game manager.  If Bowman performs he should actually help open up the receivers a bit because he requires more attention then Denmark required.  Also remember I am a huge Denmark fan, but Bowman is definitely an upgrade over Denmark, even if it is hard to admit. 

I can understand why you are frustrated, because Walters presser made it sound like he wasn't really focused on spending on the defensive side of the ball and is stating that the expectations of most teams are to spend less on the defensive side.  That could also just be a play on negotiations with some of the other players he is currently negotiating with.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Jets on February 10, 2018, 01:29:30 AM
The bombers signed Adarius Bowman not the aardvark. Let?s discuss the player not the poster. Thanks.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:30:26 AM
From Derek Taylor:

Bowman's drops have been way less of a problem than in 2015. 11 over 241 targets last two years.

>2400 yds (including PI) and 14 TD in 2016-17. Those are huge numbers with him missing 6 games last season.

#Details #Bombers


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
I think what the others are saying is we upgraded without spending much more on the SMS, which means that this doesn't have a bearing on what happens on the defensive side.  If the rumours are true about what he signed for.  They are saying we didn't "rob peter to pay paul" which would imply that we took money out of the SMS dollars for the defense to put those dollars into the offense.  What we did was shift around offensive dollars and landed bowman.  With Bond and Denmark and JFG leaving the over all cost of Bowman, insert OL man here, and insert canadian receiver here, will be roughly similar costs.

We do still need to improve on defense; and I am sure we all agree on that, not a single one of us believe our defense doesn't need to improve.  This move makes our offense better, and hopefully we can make moves that also improve our defense as well. 

we don't know what's rumor and what's valid... but evidently Walters is trying to let everyone down easy with speeches that include 'plans may still include Hurl for next year' and 'our secondary has grown'?   I hope Bowman was a bargain, I do... but we don't know... that's why I said I hope we aren't robbing Peter to pay Paul, and I stand on it...


do you not believe that we need to resign people like Westerman, and Heath? And that our defense sucks and has to be fix in order to perform consistently next year to give us a chance to be better than lose first round of the playoffs?  Not to mention the hell I catch and I suggest we need to stretch the field 5 yards... now all of sudden we're going deep every play...  Again, offense needed help, the defense need to be fixed.... done...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:31:47 AM
From Derek Taylor:

Bowman's drops have been way less of a problem than in 2015. 11 over 241 targets last two years.

>2400 yds (including PI) and 14 TD in 2016-17. Those are huge numbers with him missing 6 games last season.

#Details #Bombers

those are great numbers... doesn't help our defense at all... but if you're happy, I'm elated... we'll move on...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:32:26 AM
so it's all fixed? we're good to go now?  seriously?

I mean I get it, hater gonna hate, but... to think this is the best way to help team? I'm literally speechless...  Well, I hope you all enjoy Hurl back at MLB and continuing to have the same secondary... never mind we have no clue as to how to tackle people.... but by god, you all got the receiver you wanted! A 32 year old man that was hampered by a hamstring problem last year, oh, and don't forget, has a tendency to drop balls...  so yeah, if signing him means we do nothing on defense, it was stupid...

We were dead last in most defensive categories last year... LAST.... so yeah, he better be worth 2 TD's a game cause I got a feeling we're gonna need'em...
Watch Nichols presser. I?d say he knows a little more about the Bombers offence than you. And yes I?m sorry that this Bowman signing is bad news for your boy LDW  ::)


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:34:33 AM
those are great numbers... doesn't help our defense at all... but if you're happy, I'm elated... we'll move on...
Free agency hasn?t even begun. Plus we will have some new recruits in TC. Calm down.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:36:01 AM
I believe many stated that Lapo changes his offense based on his receivers; I still doubt that Nichols will throw the ball into triple coverage and what not as he is a game manager.  If Bowman performs he should actually help open up the receivers a bit because he requires more attention then Denmark required.  Also remember I am a huge Denmark fan, but Bowman is definitely an upgrade over Denmark, even if it is hard to admit. 

I can understand why you are frustrated, because Walters presser made it sound like he wasn't really focused on spending on the defensive side of the ball and is stating that the expectations of most teams are to spend less on the defensive side.  That could also just be a play on negotiations with some of the other players he is currently negotiating with.

people can read into whatever they want with regards to me, but... I like Bowman, didn't think we'd be able to get him... I am concerned with his age and the condition of the reported hamstring problem that he had last year... those have been none to be problematic for a while... and of course his drops...  but I will say he is a 'presence' and will give a big push in the offense... just not sure if indeed we are going to be strapped with the same defense, oh, and minus a few...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:36:35 AM
More from Derek Taylor:

Bombers are in a fight for best boundary duo, and not just because most teams have big questions:

Riders - Carter & Roosevelt
Bombers - Adams & Bowman

Eskimos - Walker & ?Stafford?
Lions - Moore(FA) & Arceneaux
Stamps - Daniels(FA) & Jorden
Argos - ? & Green
Ticats - Banks & ?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:38:10 AM
Watch Nichols presser. I?d say he knows a little more about the Bombers offence than you. And yes I?m sorry that this Bowman signing is bad news for your boy LDW  ::)

I'm not sure how it's necessarily bad news for my boy, but again, read into it whatever you want...  didn't say it didn't make our offense better, it will... but if in doing so it comes at the cost of upgrading and fixing the defense... well you're new boy better be worth 2 td's a game.... are we're no better than last year...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:38:43 AM
More from Derek Taylor:

Bombers are in a fight for best boundary duo, and not just because most teams have big questions:

Riders - Carter & Roosevelt
Bombers - Adams & Bowman

Eskimos - Walker & ?Stafford?
Lions - Moore(FA) & Arceneaux
Stamps - Daniels(FA) & Jorden
Argos - ? & Green
Ticats - Banks & ?

can they play defense? Carter can...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:40:28 AM
I'm not sure how it's necessarily bad news for my boy, but again, read into it whatever you want...  didn't say it didn't make our offense better, it will... but if in doing so it comes at the cost of upgrading and fixing the defense... well you're new boy better be worth 2 td's a game.... are we're no better than last year...
Walters has money set aside for the D. This isn?t an either/or situation.

Bowman?s salary pretty much = Denmark?s salary + rumoured reduction in Dressler?s salary.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:42:27 AM
can they play defense? Carter can...
What are you talking about?  Signing Bowman doesn?t mean Walters still won?t spend money on improving the D. You?re making some very out of character comments here tonight.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 10, 2018, 01:44:46 AM
Watch Nichols presser. I?d say he knows a little more about the Bombers offence than you. And yes I?m sorry that this Bowman signing is bad news for your boy LDW  ::)
Puuuulllleaaase, LDW couldn't play in the Winnipeg Touch Football league. He is a sorry excuse for a receiver, and now that we have 3 legit, bonafide playmakers on the field, hopefully this puts an end to the absolutely crappy, joke of recievers we were fielding when injuries hit us last year. That was pathetic.

can't wait for the season to begin. This O is going to blow people away.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:45:04 AM
Walters has money set aside for the D. This isn?t an either/or situation.

Bowman?s salary pretty much = Denmark?s salary + rumoured reduction in Dressler?s salary.

I didn't hear the presser... but from what you typed in your earlier comment... Hurl may still be part of the plan, and the secondary has grown (or whatever term he used) and the on going talks of trying to sign key players....  to me... that sounds like he's preparing people for maybe some not so great news.... hope i'm wrong....

I will say this... there won't be anyplace for anyone to hide on offense next year... should be interesting...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:47:40 AM
Puuuulllleaaase, LDW couldn't play in the Winnipeg Touch Football league. He is a sorry excuse for a receiver, and now that we have 3 legit, bonafide playmakers on the field, hopefully this puts an end to the absolutely crappy, joke of recievers we were fielding when injuries hit us last year. That was pathetic.

can't wait for the season to begin. This O is going to blow people away.

whatever... you are a funny.... man?  I don't know, why don't you get out from behind that keyboard and go tell him how you feel he is inadequate... yeah, try that...

and another one of the 'fans' that seem to have forgotten the WSF game already.... what a gullible bunch, I tell ya...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:48:56 AM
I didn't hear the presser... but from what you typed in your earlier comment... Hurl may still be part of the plan, and the secondary has grown (or whatever term he used) and the on going talks of trying to sign key players....  to me... that sounds like he's preparing people for maybe some not so great news.... hope i'm wrong....

I will say this... there won't be anyplace for anyone to hide on offense next year... should be interesting...
Yes, but I also said in my comments that he wants to improve the roster everywhere, including the D. But free agency is unpredictable so no guarantees he gets what he wants.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:51:46 AM
Yes, but I also said in my comments that he wants to improve the roster everywhere, including the D. But free agency is unpredictable so no guarantees he gets what he wants.

like I said, if you're happy, I'm elated.... but I don't think that it warranted a cheap shot at my boy.... but that's ok, I see how it is...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 01:53:18 AM
like I said, if you're happy, I'm elated.... but I don't think that it warranted a cheap shot at my boy.... but that's ok, I see how it is...
It?s not a cheap shot. It?s reality. Signing Bowman takes an opportunity away from LDW.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:56:10 AM
It?s not a cheap shot. It?s reality. Signing Bowman takes an opportunity away from LDW.

so you're saying that we're just going to trot 3 guys out there next year?  I thought we fielded 5?

regardless... if it wasn't you all bringing up LDW every time I make a post, he name would never be seen here... get over it, I have... let it go, I have... I'm not going anywhere, so if you want to start a dumpster fire here, I'm your Huckleberry....  otherwise, let it go...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2018, 01:56:40 AM
I didn't hear the presser... but from what you typed in your earlier comment... Hurl may still be part of the plan, and the secondary has grown (or whatever term he used) and the on going talks of trying to sign key players....  to me... that sounds like he's preparing people for maybe some not so great news.... hope i'm wrong....

I will say this... there won't be anyplace for anyone to hide on offense next year... should be interesting...

When the offense is on the field, the defense  isnt making any mistakes...  so yes, a better o makes the d better...

Listen to the presser if you want to comment on it.  Hurl can be a part of the team without being our MLB.  Comments were made about Wild and Knox plaibg WIL and MLB.... no mention of Hurl starting...



Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 01:58:46 AM
When the offense is on the field, the defense  isnt making any mistakes...  so yes, a better o makes the d better...

Listen to the presser if you want to comment on it.  Hurl can be a part of the team without being our MLB.  Comments were made about Wild and Knox plaibg WIL and MLB.... no mention of Hurl starting...



if you don't want me to comment on something, don't post it here.... and let's see, oh that right, I live in American, I don't think I have access to those programs... and lastly, stay out of it... nobody asked you...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 10, 2018, 02:01:13 AM
This thread is becoming reminiscent of Ricky Foley's brothers greatest hits.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 02:03:05 AM
so you're saying that we're just going to trot 3 guys out there next year?  I thought we fielded 5?

regardless... if it wasn't you all bringing up LDW every time I make a post, he name would never be seen here... get over it, I have... let it go, I have... I'm not going anywhere, so if you want to start a dumpster fire here, I'm your Huckleberry....  otherwise, let it go...
Lots of discussion that we may be starting 2 Canadian receivers this season. Darrin Bauming is convinced of it.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 02:05:42 AM
Lots of discussion that we may be starting 2 Canadian receivers this season. Darrin Bauming is convinced of it.

my bad, didn't realize that Darrin Bauming had anything to do with the starting line up...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 02:08:59 AM
my bad, didn't realize that Darrin Bauming had anything to do with the starting line up...
Very funny. He?s a Bombers beat reporter, and one of the best. He?s pretty connected to the Bombers. He could be right or could be wrong. But it does make some sense if Westerman isn?t re-signed.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 02:14:51 AM
Very funny. He?s a Bombers beat reporter, and one of the best. He?s pretty connected to the Bombers. He could be right or could be wrong. But it does make some sense if Westerman isn?t re-signed.

regardless, doesn't warrant you taking a shot at me... which is what it was...  like I said, I never bring up LDW yet it seems that others do any time they can... evidently you didn't read my post the other day where I said I hope he gets cut?  So there is no need for what you did...  I've grown to expect it from some of the others, but I find myself saying this way too much, "I thought we were good"....  obviously not the case, which is fine, just now I know...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Tehedra on February 10, 2018, 02:17:49 AM
I actually feel that Givens and LDW were good Rookies; though I do expect that we will be starting two canadians as well as receivers to help shore up our canadian talent.  Now; you still need backups and I hope we keep LDW/Givens around for another year but who knows. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 02:18:07 AM
regardless, doesn't warrant you taking a shot at me... which is what it was...  like I said, I never bring up LDW yet it seems that others do any time they can... evidently you didn't read my post the other day where I said I hope he gets cut?  So there is no need for what you did...  I've grown to expect it from some of the others, but I find myself saying this way too much, "I thought we were good"....  obviously not the case, which is fine, just now I know...
Alright. Well sorry you took it as a shot. It wasn?t. It?s just your posts tonight seems to have a panic tone to them, which I think is unnecessary. Today is a great day...we signed one of the best receivers in the league to a great value contract.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 10, 2018, 02:23:53 AM
I actually feel that Givens and LDW were good Rookies; though I do expect that we will be starting two canadians as well as receivers to help shore up our canadian talent.  Now; you still need backups and I hope we keep LDW/Givens around for another year but who knows. 


I don't disagree with you, more than likely you're right... and if that's how it goes, then that's how it will be, which I'm fine with....  I want what's best for the team, just like others here, however, doesn't mean I'll allow some to take cheap shots at me...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: thunderNlightning on February 10, 2018, 02:25:02 AM
I actually feel that Givens and LDW were good Rookies; though I do expect that we will be starting two canadians as well as receivers to help shore up our canadian talent.  Now; you still need backups and I hope we keep LDW/Givens around for another year but who knows. 


All depends on money available and who we find in rookie camps etc. I would like to see Drew W get a chance at being a bit more involved this next year.

I could live with Adams/Dressler/Bowman/Wolitarsky/Demski as our top 5 receivers and Coates as back up.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 02:27:04 AM
All depends on money available and who we find in rookie camps etc. I would like to see Drew W get a chance at being a bit more involved this next year.

I could live with Adams/Dressler/Bowman/Wolitarsky/Demski as our top 5 receivers and Coates as back up.
I agree with this starting 5, except I?d expect Coates to start at the beginning of the season, with Wolitarsky getting more involved as the season progresses.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: The Zipp on February 10, 2018, 03:24:16 AM
http://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/bowman-has-roots-in-peg (http://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/bowman-has-roots-in-peg)


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue girl on February 10, 2018, 03:40:00 AM
No matter what we do to fix the defence we were going to have to sign a deep threat receiver, which by signing Bowman I believe we have done. Unfortunately we can't sign any defensive players until Tuesday and even then we can only sign players who want to come here. I'm sure that Walters is going to do whatever he can to help this team.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: PloenFan on February 10, 2018, 03:56:39 AM
Quote
I could live with Adams/Dressler/Bowman/Wolitarsky/Demski as our top 5 receivers and Coates as back up.
What about Julian F-G ?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: kkc60 on February 10, 2018, 04:04:28 AM
What about Julian F-G ?
Pending FA. Very similar to Kohlert last year. He eventually lost his job to Coates, isn't exactly young and isn't exactly too special 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2018, 04:56:37 AM
Well, if the last while is any indicator, we seem to be a destination now.   Hopefully one of the three MLB out there agrees...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 04:58:14 AM
You are correct, it is a Bowman thread.  And I aptly pointed out what Bowman brings to the table, which is something we have been severely lacking (less Darvin Adams) for a number of years.  Your point was "robbing Peter to pay Paul so he better perform" is simply not valid in my opinion, because we landed an excellent receiver for a very reasonable price, and it will open up the offence in ways not seen since Milt, Bobby, Arland, and Geroy suited up.


Bowman did not play like any of them last year.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:01:21 AM
so now everyone is ok with throwing out the game manager, high percentage throws, ball security game plan?  wow.... did you all forget what you said last week already?  the part when I was talking about stretching the field some?  No, that's not what Lapo does, that's not who Nichols is.... blah blah blah.... now you all are throwing bombs every other plan.... freaking hilarious!

at least I take a position and stand firm....how can you be taken seriously?

Crazy eh they forget how matty plays. And how he got to where he is


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:08:07 AM
Watch Nichols presser. I?d say he knows a little more about the Bombers offence than you. And yes I?m sorry that this Bowman signing is bad news for your boy LDW  ::)

Your rolling eyes emoji thingy is really getting old....just use grown up words to make a better point is my advice


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:14:54 AM
Walters has money set aside for the D. This isn?t an either/or situation.

Bowman?s salary pretty much = Denmark?s salary + rumoured reduction in Dressler?s salary.

You use rumours to respond . ?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:22:03 AM


I will say this... there won't be anyplace for anyone to hide on offense next year... should be interesting...

Not even the QB's.........right ?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:28:04 AM
When the offense is on the field, the defense  isnt making any mistakes...  so yes, a better o makes the d better...



When I posted this last season I got told Matty had done everything he co
my bad, didn't realize that Darrin Bauming had anything to do with the starting line up...

Lmao


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:29:20 AM
Very funny. He?s a Bombers beat reporter, and one of the best. He?s pretty connected to the Bombers. He could be right or could be wrong. But it does make some sense if Westerman isn?t re-signed.

If he could be " right or he could be wrong"....why use anything he said to make your own post ?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 05:36:53 AM
Sorry for all my posts in a row.....jus spent almost 6 hours getting a tat in Winnipeg....Feeling good


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 08:02:52 AM
No matter what we do to fix the defence we were going to have to sign a deep threat receiver, which by signing Bowman I believe we have done. Unfortunately we can't sign any defensive players until Tuesday and even then we can only sign players who want to come here. I'm sure that Walters is going to do whatever he can to help this team.
Well said. Walters did said that there is an abundance of DBs available in free agency, so I?m thinking he will be signing a DB. Probably means the end of Heath though, but who knows, maybe Heath doesn?t get the offers he expects, and then circles back to the Bombers...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 10, 2018, 08:42:20 AM
Signing Bowman for cheap is great news.  I love our guys spotting the guys who had one bad year, ones who start to get whispers of being washed up, and snapping them up for a steal.  It's not foolproof, but can pay huge dividends.  The players certainly have strong motivation to perform, as 2-3 consecutive years means no future job.

Watch the presser on wbb site of Bowman.  He really impresses me, and should be a great fit in the locker room.

With this one signing we go from great O to elite O.  Even if Bowman has the dropsies he'll draw defenders away.  Harris & Dress should have monster years with Bowman on the field...

And don't dis LDW, we still need backups for Adams/Bowman/Dress.  LDW is the only one who can currently fill the deep threat void if someone gets injured.

I'm getting stoked for the season!!  Like Bowman says, he wants to retire here, and he wants 2-3 GC's before that.  Hope that is infectious.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 11:00:36 AM
Signing Bowman for cheap is great news.  I love our guys spotting the guys who had one bad year, ones who start to get whispers of being washed up, and snapping them up for a steal.  It's not foolproof, but can pay huge dividends.  The players certainly have strong motivation to perform, as 2-3 consecutive years means no future job.

Watch the presser on wbb site of Bowman.  He really impresses me, and should be a great fit in the locker room.

With this one signing we go from great O to elite O.  Even if Bowman has the dropsies he'll draw defenders away.  Harris & Dress should have monster years with Bowman on the field...

And don't dis LDW, we still need backups for Adams/Bowman/Dress.  LDW is the only one who can currently fill the deep threat void if someone gets injured.

I'm getting stoked for the season!!  Like Bowman says, he wants to retire here, and he wants 2-3 GC's before that.  Hope that is infectious.

Of course we need backups.  That doesn't mean that LDW is the right guy to keep.  We need to do better. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: RebusRankin on February 10, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
Perhaps LDW is better in year 2? There was some improvement over the course of the year.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 10, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Walters said in his presser, that when you get a championship calibre team, which he believes we are, that there aren't as many moves in the off season, but those that are made are scrutinized more heavily. Bang on.

There's no doubt in my mind that he fully understands the situation, that in addition to a deep threat receiver, we need a quality DB and a quality MLB to take us to the next level, and I fully expect these positions will be addressed next week.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: kkc60 on February 10, 2018, 04:06:50 PM
I think LDW, White and Givens, plus who knows who else, is fine backups wise. Of course, we will see how it all plays out in TC 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 10, 2018, 04:09:37 PM
I hope we can actually blow some teams out this season....get big early leads and coast.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 04:15:13 PM
I think LDW, White and Givens, plus who knows who else, is fine backups wise. Of course, we will see how it all plays out in TC 
Garry Brown too. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2018, 04:31:30 PM
Perhaps LDW is better in year 2? There was some improvement over the course of the year.

Was there? His most productive game was the WSF but his regular season was pretty consistent from start to finish.

That being said, I think he has potential going into year 2. And the same can be said for a number of soon-to-be sophomores on this team, both on offense and on defense.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: ModAdmin on February 10, 2018, 04:47:17 PM
Adarius Bowman - Media Session after his signing

https://www.bluebombers.com/2018/02/09/adarius-bowman-introductory-press-conference/


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blueraid on February 10, 2018, 05:26:28 PM
Adarius sure sounds excited to be back in the Peg....Obviously loves it here and the main part I liked is his passion for the game and his desire to bring a few Cups home AND I'm liking what I hear a lot...Welcome home Adarius


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: ModAdmin on February 10, 2018, 06:28:06 PM
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Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Pigskin on February 10, 2018, 06:49:05 PM
Givens could play a big role with the bombers this year.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: canadaguy2112 on February 10, 2018, 08:40:32 PM
Welcome back.  Your dreams were your ticket out.

Nice signing if the salary figures are true. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 11, 2018, 01:41:25 AM
Of course Bowman would have these responses.....he is jumping on a bandwagon and hoping to make more money. Duh.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 11, 2018, 05:28:35 AM
Of course Bowman would have these responses.....he is jumping on a bandwagon and hoping to make more money. Duh.

His interview definitely feels like it's more than just that.  You can get a pretty good read on these guys.  Gauging excitement level is pretty easy, and not easy to convincingly fake.  I believe Bowman when he says he's here to win GC rings.  I believe him when he says it doesn't even have to be him in the spotlight.  Even if he just opens up routes for Adams/Dress, he's can be a solid keeper for years to come.

Oh, and if we ever need a 60yd Hail Mary jump ball with 8s on the clock, we're throwing it to Bowman.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 11, 2018, 08:58:08 AM
Of course Bowman would have these responses.....he is jumping on a bandwagon and hoping to make more money. Duh.

What's wrong with that?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 11, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
There's nothing wrong with that. Skunk can only post negative , snide comments, that's what he does


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 11, 2018, 03:50:18 PM
What's wrong with that?

Nothing wrong at all.....I'm just not going to get all giddy about it like it guarantees anything...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 11, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
There's nothing wrong with that. Skunk can only post negative , snide comments, that's what he does

Do you think this signing guarantees anything ?....


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 11, 2018, 04:20:11 PM
Do you think this signing guarantees anything ?....

Nothing is guaranteed, other than one of Walter's offseason priorities has now been completed.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 11, 2018, 04:26:19 PM
Nothing is guaranteed, other than one of Walter's offseason priorities has now been completed.

I agree.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 11, 2018, 06:33:13 PM
Not even the QB's.........right ?

especially the QBs, QB1 specifically...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 11, 2018, 06:38:23 PM
because even if it is possible to bounce a pass 40 yards, it isn't legal...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 11, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
especially the QBs, QB1 specifically...

Same could be said about every starting QB of every CFL team ever. There job is to perform well, if they don't they are under a microscope, if they do they are heroes.

Matt Nichols is a very good CFL QB....no reason to believe that he needs a place to hide.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Horseman on February 11, 2018, 09:03:02 PM
because even if it is possible to bounce a pass 40 yards, it isn't legal...

You obviously have not heard or seen the bounce pass play. The receiver is to the side but slightly behind the QB who then throws a pass and intentionally bounces off the turf directly to the said receiver. The other players act like it is an incomplete pass but because the pass was thrown back laterally the ball/play is live. The receiver then throws a pass down field to another open receiver. Have used this play successfully in a game.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 02:42:54 AM
You obviously have not heard or seen the bounce pass play. The receiver is to the side but slightly behind the QB who then throws a pass and intentionally bounces off the turf directly to the said receiver. The other players act like it is an incomplete pass but because the pass was thrown back laterally the ball/play is live. The receiver then throws a pass down field to another open receiver. Have used this play successfully in a game.

I have never seen this play. Defences are taught to treat any incompletion behind the LOS as a live ball so you'd really have to notice on film that a certain member of the defence was not doing this.  Can you recall what team/qb/receiver used this successfully? Id love to try find a video replay.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 12, 2018, 03:04:47 AM
I have never seen this play. Defences are taught to treat any incompletion behind the LOS as a live ball so you'd really have to notice on film that a certain member of the defence was not doing this.  Can you recall what team/qb/receiver used this successfully? Id love to try find a video replay.

My guess is if you find one it was a busted play that ended this way. And counted.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: buckzumhoff on February 12, 2018, 03:51:53 AM
I dont think the ball is intended to bounce. I think its usually thrown too short unintentionally . If the ball skips off the ground five yards away from the receiver in the backfield, chances of a turnover.  Quarterback usually hucks it so quickly he underthrows the receiver. Either way its not a great play. Best is when you throw those and the player can take off himself with ball .


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on February 12, 2018, 05:33:11 AM
Our receiving corp will be devastating to say the least.  Even when we have receivers down, we got people to step right up.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 12, 2018, 07:40:32 AM
Clearly I failed to use the sarcasm font.  Bowman's season best for TDs I believe is somewhere around 10, so why anyone would expect triple that is simply ridiculous.  It's the 100+ yards a game, and the fact that he's going to draw a lot of defensive attention that we need, two things we weren't getting out of Denmark or the other perennial practice roster receivers.


You should never guess and or lie about verifiable stats when arguing with a person that actually looks at stats....  Bowman's best season TD total was 9, once, he also had 7 once, 6 twice, 5 twice, 4 once, 3 twice, and 0 once, in his 10 season career.

Also, in his 10 year career, Mr. Bowman average 100 yards per game just once in 2016 where he averaged 103/gm. His next highest season was 2014 where he averaged 85.6/game. His 2017 numbers were a mind altering 44.5 yards per game.  That's right 44.5 yards per game...

Then if you factor in that the only 2 games that he broke 100 yards per game last year were against the two teams that didn't make the playoffs... well, that just makes for even a sadder story.... if you subtract out those 2 games it drops his average yards per game to an earth stopping 28.1 yards per game and 2.7 catches per game... his best game outside of those two would be 56 yards in the last regular season game of 2017.

Other fun facts:

In 10 seasons, Bowman has played in the most, 17 games, which he has done 3 times, 14 once, 15 once, 12 twice, 9 twice, and 2 once.  In 2017 he managed 12 games.
In 2017 he had a completion rate of 58.4%...
In 10 seasons he had career lows in seasons where he played at least 12 games (overall in parenthesis) in total yards (8th), yards per game (9th), yards per catch (10th), and season long catch (8th)...
in 2017 he had 1 catch of 30+ yards, just 1... and if you don't include the games against non playoff teams, he only had 1 catch of 20+ yards as well. Everything after those 2 is rather pedestrian as they include catches of 17, 16, and 13 yards...  As well as posting a career low in yards per catch at 11.9 yards per catch...

and if you're wondering how he would have ranked against 2017 Bomber receivers.... well it's equally as impressive...
receptions 5th, attempts 5th, completion percentage 8th, yards 5th, yards after the catch 7th, avg per catch 4th, TD's 3rd, 30+ yard catches tied for 6th, yards per game 5th, yards after the catch per catch 9th, and catches per game 5th... however, if it's any consolation, he did have his 3rd biggest and most impactful game of the year against us in the WSF where he was 3/5, 2 tds, and 71 yards, so, that can't happen to us by him this year!

I'm not so sure that he is the bargain that most thought/think he is...  but hey, the team listened to you and gave you exactly what you asked for, something that you didn't have... no wonder Edmonton cut him before free agency hit...   


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: DM83 on February 12, 2018, 07:50:19 AM
I don't need those stats to tell Bowman is a mere shell,of his best years.  He is a tall receiver.  We,didn't have one of those.  Upon his comeback last year, it was clear he couldn't run deep, secondly as a possession receiver, he was gun shy going over the middle a couple times.

Sometimes injuries don't affect a guy, sometimes they do.  It wouldn't,surprise me he doesn't make it through the year.

The kid we didn't keep that went to the Riders should be pursued. He was pissed because he was placed on the taxi squad.and he should have been.  He was. Better than all the receivers we had. He was able all the other guys were injured or couldn't get open.

Our scouts have to get new guys who didn't make the NFL, but have the ability, and need more game action. Where are these signings?


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: TecnoGenius on February 12, 2018, 07:53:13 AM
I'm not so sure that he is the bargain that most thought/think he is...  but hey, the team listened to you and gave you exactly what you asked for, something that you didn't have... no wonder Edmonton cut him before free agency hit...   

Bowman's 2017 stunk.  No one is debating that.  The question is: was it an anomaly or is he washed up?  Bombers are taking a calculated gamble on it being an anomaly.  I think that's a fair bet, especially at the cheap price.  I would take that bet.

Bowman's not the only one among the vets: Manny-show had a stinker 2017 season.  Moore mediocre.  Sinopoli non-existent.  Ellingson average.  Vets can have one bad year.  It happens.

You can be forgiven though, as you weren't watching the CFL and Bowman in '14-'16 when he was destroying defences.  We hope he still has it in him.  I'm willing to give him a shot.  Seems like most others are too.  If he is indeed washed up, we'll find out fairly quickly.  At the end of the day, I think he'll be a better fit for the Bombers than, say, Moore ever was.  He'll gel.  And he should be hot out of the gate given all his Esks reps with Nichols.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 12, 2018, 11:56:02 AM
Bowman's 2017 stunk.  No one is debating that.  The question is: was it an anomaly or is he washed up?  Bombers are taking a calculated gamble on it being an anomaly.  I think that's a fair bet, especially at the cheap price.  I would take that bet.

Bowman's not the only one among the vets: Manny-show had a stinker 2017 season.  Moore mediocre.  Sinopoli non-existent.  Ellingson average.  Vets can have one bad year.  It happens.

You can be forgiven though, as you weren't watching the CFL and Bowman in '14-'16 when he was destroying defences.  We hope he still has it in him.  I'm willing to give him a shot.  Seems like most others are too.  If he is indeed washed up, we'll find out fairly quickly.  At the end of the day, I think he'll be a better fit for the Bombers than, say, Moore ever was.  He'll gel.  And he should be hot out of the gate given all his Esks reps with Nichols.

I don't think we will see a '14-'16 version of Bowman, but I think he will put up very good numbers...something like 1200 yards, 6-8 TDs.  But more importantly he will change the entire dynamic of the offense by really opening things up. With Adams, Dressler, Bowman and Harris all on the field at the same time, defenses won't be able to key in on anyone.  I can't wait...the offence is going to be really exciting this season!   


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 01:03:21 PM

You should never guess and or lie about verifiable stats when arguing with a person that actually looks at stats....  Bowman's best season TD total was 9, once, he also had 7 once, 6 twice, 5 twice, 4 once, 3 twice, and 0 once, in his 10 season career.

Also, in his 10 year career, Mr. Bowman average 100 yards per game just once in 2016 where he averaged 103/gm. His next highest season was 2014 where he averaged 85.6/game. His 2017 numbers were a mind altering 44.5 yards per game.  That's right 44.5 yards per game...

Then if you factor in that the only 2 games that he broke 100 yards per game last year were against the two teams that didn't make the playoffs... well, that just makes for even a sadder story.... if you subtract out those 2 games it drops his average yards per game to an earth stopping 28.1 yards per game and 2.7 catches per game... his best game outside of those two would be 56 yards in the last regular season game of 2017.

Other fun facts:

In 10 seasons, Bowman has played in the most, 17 games, which he has done 3 times, 14 once, 15 once, 12 twice, 9 twice, and 2 once.  In 2017 he managed 12 games.
In 2017 he had a completion rate of 58.4%...
In 10 seasons he had career lows in seasons where he played at least 12 games (overall in parenthesis) in total yards (8th), yards per game (9th), yards per catch (10th), and season long catch (8th)...
in 2017 he had 1 catch of 30+ yards, just 1... and if you don't include the games against non playoff teams, he only had 1 catch of 20+ yards as well. Everything after those 2 is rather pedestrian as they include catches of 17, 16, and 13 yards...  As well as posting a career low in yards per catch at 11.9 yards per catch...

and if you're wondering how he would have ranked against 2017 Bomber receivers.... well it's equally as impressive...
receptions 5th, attempts 5th, completion percentage 8th, yards 5th, yards after the catch 7th, avg per catch 4th, TD's 3rd, 30+ yard catches tied for 6th, yards per game 5th, yards after the catch per catch 9th, and catches per game 5th... however, if it's any consolation, he did have his 3rd biggest and most impactful game of the year against us in the WSF where he was 3/5, 2 tds, and 71 yards, so, that can't happen to us by him this year!

I'm not so sure that he is the bargain that most thought/think he is...  but hey, the team listened to you and gave you exactly what you asked for, something that you didn't have... no wonder Edmonton cut him before free agency hit...   

With all due respect Chevelle, you have no clue what you are talking about here. None. Might be the most biased post I have ever read on this forum. Go back and watch this man's games over the period of 2011 to 2016 and then get a clue of why we are excited about Bowman. Comparing an injured Bowman's production to what we will see this year is ludicrous.
Only averaged a 100 yards per game once? You realize that's only been done a handful of times in the history of this league right? You dismiss it like it's some average stat that he couldn't attain. You are a star receiver in this league if you average 56 yards a game. A "mind altering" 44.5 yards a game? You realize that translates to an 800 yard season right? Not fantastic numbers but pretty good considering he was not in the regular receiving rotation for his first 3 games back because they were bringing him along slowly after his hamstring injury and using him situationally and then he left a game in Montreal early because he re-aggravated the injury...but that's an inconvenient truth that the stats won't show will they? So, since you are so dead set on extrapolating stats to try and confirm your agenda on this....let me throw out some manipulated stats of my own.

In the games that Adarious Bowman was healthy, and in the regular receiving rotation for the full game without leaving due to injury, he averaged 57.5 yards per game and a 64% completion ratio with a 13.6 yd average per completion. Still not stellar numbers, but a 1000 yard pace, and definitely making him a steal at 140k.

I'm not trying to come down you Chevelle, but telling us that we don't know how good of a receiver Bowman is without, obviously, you watching him play the last several years is pretty weak sauce. We KNOW who Bowman is....maybe you should go on Youtube and watch a few games of his yourself. I think you would have a drastic change of opinion.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: dd on February 12, 2018, 01:10:39 PM
You're right, he has no clue on whats going on, just ignor his jiggerish rants.

Those of us who've watched the game, realize signing Bowman was a HUGE move for our offense, both in terms of depth and diversity. A blind man could see that.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 12, 2018, 01:13:29 PM
You're right, he has no clue on whats going on, just ignor his jiggerish rants.

Those of us who've watched the game, realize signing Bowman was a HUGE move for our offense, both in terms of depth and diversity. A blind man could see that.
Bowman is only 32 years old, going on 33 when the season starts.  He's got lots left in the tank. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 01:13:36 PM
Bowman was slowed all year with his injury, and when he came back was eased into things as the offence evolved without him. Nothing more..noting less.
A player who just came off a 1700 yd season doesn't just lose it like that...and hamstring injuries sometimes can affect you all year and may have been in his head as to not overdue it for fear of re-injury.

Sure he isn't Bowman of 2012 to 2016...but all players age, but with that comes more experience and knowledge.
In this Lapo offence, him in the slot..Harris..Adams..Dressler in the mix..2 guys are bound to have big years....and the game Bowman plays doesn't rely on sheer speed and shifty elusiveness...and at 32-33 years of age his skill-set isn't going to be negatively affected one bit

Look for 80+ receptions and over 1200 yards...I actually bet he has an even bigger year


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 01:17:54 PM
Bowman was slowed all year with his injury, and when he came back was eased into things as the offence evolved without him. Nothing more..noting less.
A player who just came off a 1700 yd season doesn't just lose it like that...and hamstring injuries sometimes can affect you all year and may have been in his head as to not overdue it for fear of re-injury.

Sure he isn't Bowman of 2012 to 2016...but all players age, but with that comes more experience and knowledge.
In this Lapo offence, him in the slot..Harris..Adams..Dressler in the mix..2 guys are bound to have big years....and the game Bowman plays doesn't rely on sheer speed and shifty elusiveness...and at 32-33 years of age his skill-set isn't going to be negatively affected one bit

Look for 80+ receptions and over 1200 yards...I actually bet he has an even bigger year

As proof of your statement, after 2 or 3 games returning from injury he had to leave the Montreal game early in the first quarter after tweaking the hammy again. Shows up as a start for him on his stat line, but he didn't play and it forced Edmonton to use him in spot duty the next week as well. He didn't really start looking like himself until late in the season.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 01:20:29 PM
exactly...and once the hammy is in your head...your play suffers cause you just won't/can't go all out for fear....fully healed now Bowman will have a dominant season


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 01:21:44 PM
Bowman was slowed all year with his injury, and when he came back was eased into things as the offence evolved without him. Nothing more..noting less.
A player who just came off a 1700 yd season doesn't just lose it like that...and hamstring injuries sometimes can affect you all year and may have been in his head as to not overdue it for fear of re-injury.

Sure he isn't Bowman of 2012 to 2016...but all players age, but with that comes more experience and knowledge.
In this Lapo offence, him in the slot..Harris..Adams..Dressler in the mix..2 guys are bound to have big years....and the game Bowman plays doesn't rely on sheer speed and shifty elusiveness...and at 32-33 years of age his skill-set isn't going to be negatively affected one bit

Look for 80+ receptions and over 1200 yards...I actually bet he has an even bigger year

He is one of the very best in the league at recognizing the defence and making the defence pay accordingly. Matt Nichols knows him well and that's huge because when Bowman has chemistry with a QB....lookout. He's like Milt, in that regard, he knows where the soft spot is on every defensive formation and knows how to get there.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: The Zipp on February 12, 2018, 01:39:22 PM
He is one of the very best in the league at recognizing the defence and making the defence pay accordingly. Matt Nichols knows him well and that's huge because when Bowman has chemistry with a QB....lookout. He's like Milt, in that regard, he knows where the soft spot is on every defensive formation and knows how to get there.

If Bowman is one of the best at recognizing the defense then I would throw out there that Dressler is right there with him...the two of them are likely in the top 5 of receivers who can find the soft spot and make the defense pay.   This will be an awesome combination!!


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 02:27:27 PM
yeah that's the thing with Bowman...he breaks of routes and sees things pre-snap to exploit probably best in the league...that's where majority of his yac production comes from too...be interesting to see how they incorporate him and Dressler and Harris in the short mid range game...If they all stay healthy I think Adams is really gonna benefit bigtime..


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
If Bowman is one of the best at recognizing the defense then I would throw out there that Dressler is right there with him...the two of them are likely in the top 5 of receivers who can find the soft spot and make the defense pay.   This will be an awesome combination!!

I agree, Weston is very good at getting himself open.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Colton on February 12, 2018, 03:12:49 PM
With all due respect Chevelle, you have no clue what you are talking about here. None. Might be the most biased post I have ever read on this forum. Go back and watch this man's games over the period of 2011 to 2016 and then get a clue of why we are excited about Bowman. Comparing an injured Bowman's production to what we will see this year is ludicrous.
Only averaged a 100 yards per game once? You realize that's only been done a handful of times in the history of this league right? You dismiss it like it's some average stat that he couldn't attain. You are a star receiver in this league if you average 56 yards a game. A "mind altering" 44.5 yards a game? You realize that translates to an 800 yard season right? Not fantastic numbers but pretty good considering he was not in the regular receiving rotation for his first 3 games back because they were bringing him along slowly after his hamstring injury and using him situationally and then he left a game in Montreal early because he re-aggravated the injury...but that's an inconvenient truth that the stats won't show will they? So, since you are so dead set on extrapolating stats to try and confirm your agenda on this....let me throw out some manipulated stats of my own.

In the games that Adarious Bowman was healthy, and in the regular receiving rotation for the full game without leaving due to injury, he averaged 57.5 yards per game and a 64% completion ratio with a 13.6 yd average per completion. Still not stellar numbers, but a 1000 yard pace, and definitely making him a steal at 140k.

I'm not trying to come down you Chevelle, but telling us that we don't know how good of a receiver Bowman is without, obviously, you watching him play the last several years is pretty weak sauce. We KNOW who Bowman is....maybe you should go on Youtube and watch a few games of his yourself. I think you would have a drastic change of opinion.

Bowman's 2016 season was 3 yards short of falling in the top 10 all time for yards in a single season, and he only played 17 games.

Barring a quick end to his career, he's pretty much a lock to finish top 10 all time for yards in a career. If he can stick around in the league for a little while with a few more good years before any kind of severe drop off it's not unreasonable to see him finish top 5.

Hall of Famer being talked about like he's training camp fodder... Alright then.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 03:18:46 PM
Bowman's 2016 season was 3 yards short of falling in the top 10 all time for yards in a single season, and he only played 17 games.

Barring a quick end to his career, he's pretty much a lock to finish top 10 all time for yards in a career. If he can stick around in the league for a little while with a few more good years before any kind of severe drop off it's not unreasonable to see him finish top 5.

Hall of Famer being talked about like he's training camp fodder... Alright then.

What Chevelle is seeing is the stats, but what he fails to see is just how dominant the guy can be. He can take a team on his back when necessary. The guy has been double covered for years now and still puts up dominant numbers when healthy. It's easy to look at stats and twist them, but you gotta watch the games to truly appreciate what Bowman does. If he didn't drop the ball with the frequency he did earlier in his career his numbers would be staggering.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 12, 2018, 03:27:11 PM
I will never forget this catch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agfikCwLkqc.

I was certain we were going to pick it off as Bowman had 2 defenders all over him, and he somehow came up with the catch.  Unbelievable. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: the paw on February 12, 2018, 03:29:28 PM
What Chevelle is seeing is the stats, but what he fails to see is just how dominant the guy can be. He can take a team on his back when necessary. The guy has been double covered for years now and still puts up dominant numbers when healthy. It's easy to look at stats and twist them, but you gotta watch the games to truly appreciate what Bowman does. If he didn't drop the ball with the frequency he did earlier in his career his numbers would be staggering.

I'm expecting big things from Bowman, I think he showed well at the end of last season and will return to 1000 yard form.

But just to play devil's advocate, does anyone remember how quickly Fred Stamps dropped off?  5 straight seasons over 1100 yards, then BANG, two years around 500 yds each, and out of the league.  Nothing is ever guaranteed....


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 12, 2018, 03:29:39 PM
Bowman's 2017 stunk.  No one is debating that.  The question is: was it an anomaly or is he washed up?  Bombers are taking a calculated gamble on it being an anomaly.  I think that's a fair bet, especially at the cheap price.  I would take that bet.

Bowman's not the only one among the vets: Manny-show had a stinker 2017 season.  Moore mediocre.  Sinopoli non-existent.  Ellingson average.  Vets can have one bad year.  It happens.

You can be forgiven though, as you weren't watching the CFL and Bowman in '14-'16 when he was destroying defences.  We hope he still has it in him.  I'm willing to give him a shot.  Seems like most others are too.  If he is indeed washed up, we'll find out fairly quickly.  At the end of the day, I think he'll be a better fit for the Bombers than, say, Moore ever was.  He'll gel.  And he should be hot out of the gate given all his Esks reps with Nichols.

I think Ernest Jackson deserves a mention as another good receiver who did not play well in 2017.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
it almost looked like Jackson was playing like he didn't give a crap...and was actually playing to get let go


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: gbill2004 on February 12, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
I think Ernest Jackson deserves a mention as another good receiver who did not play well in 2017.
Jackson I think is because of the environment, and not his level of talent. 


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 12, 2018, 03:43:34 PM
With all due respect Chevelle, you have no clue what you are talking about here. None. Might be the most biased post I have ever read on this forum. Go back and watch this man's games over the period of 2011 to 2016 and then get a clue of why we are excited about Bowman. Comparing an injured Bowman's production to what we will see this year is ludicrous.
Only averaged a 100 yards per game once? You realize that's only been done a handful of times in the history of this league right? You dismiss it like it's some average stat that he couldn't attain. You are a star receiver in this league if you average 56 yards a game. A "mind altering" 44.5 yards a game? You realize that translates to an 800 yard season right? Not fantastic numbers but pretty good considering he was not in the regular receiving rotation for his first 3 games back because they were bringing him along slowly after his hamstring injury and using him situationally and then he left a game in Montreal early because he re-aggravated the injury...but that's an inconvenient truth that the stats won't show will they? So, since you are so dead set on extrapolating stats to try and confirm your agenda on this....let me throw out some manipulated stats of my own.

In the games that Adarious Bowman was healthy, and in the regular receiving rotation for the full game without leaving due to injury, he averaged 57.5 yards per game and a 64% completion ratio with a 13.6 yd average per completion. Still not stellar numbers, but a 1000 yard pace, and definitely making him a steal at 140k.

I'm not trying to come down you Chevelle, but telling us that we don't know how good of a receiver Bowman is without, obviously, you watching him play the last several years is pretty weak sauce. We KNOW who Bowman is....maybe you should go on Youtube and watch a few games of his yourself. I think you would have a drastic change of opinion.

with absolutely no respect, you do realize that I was replying to a statement made by someone other than myself that claimed Bowman was a 100 yard per game receiver, right? And that he scored around 10 TD's a season? He was the one talking out the other side of his head, not me. How it is possible for me to have no clue when all I did was provide you with stats? How is it that I am bias when all I did was provide stats?  I didn't make up the stats, they came directly from the CFL. Explain to me how a stat can be bias.... I'd love to hear this.  Just because you don't like what it says, don't blame me. 

Ol' whats his name tried to feed me line of crap saying that Bowman is a 100 yard a game receiver, and he's not. It seems it's ok for others here to flat out lie and nobody says a word. And no, I didn't realize that 56 yards a game made you a superstar, I have never heard anyone ever say that. I will say that 56 does seem like an odd number, but oh well. I reported straight up facts, not opinion, verifiable, published stats and I'm bias and have no clue?  I guess I'm just not part of the good ol' boys club around here.

so, if I go and watch youtube, will it makes those stats grow? Maybe they should start putting asterisks by all these superstar's stats with a footnote that explains to us new fans that instead of looking at their stats we should just disregard them and go watch youtube?

And I didn't try to tell you anything, I just mused that maybe it wasn't the bargain that everyone thinks it is... I didn't claim that he was wash-up, beyond his prime, incapable, etc.... I merely provided everyone with his stats, you all are reading everything else into it...

buy hey, like I told ol' gbill, if you're happy, I'm elated...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
well his 3 previous seasons up to last year he did average 89 yards a game...pretty sure that is tops in the league for guys playing 15 games or more a season...he played 17 games each year in those years.

Discounting last year as he was hurt and wasn't healthy 100 percent until the end of the season


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Horseman on February 12, 2018, 03:56:28 PM
with absolutely no respect, you do realize that I was replying to a statement made by someone other than myself that claimed Bowman was a 100 yard per game receiver, right? And that he scored around 10 TD's a season? He was the one talking out the other side of his head, not me. How it is possible for me to have no clue when all I did was provide you with stats? How is it that I am bias when all I did was provide stats?  I didn't make up the stats, they came directly from the CFL. Explain to me how a stat can be bias.... I'd love to hear this.  Just because you don't like what it says, don't blame me. 

Ol' whats his name tried to feed me line of crap saying that Bowman is a 100 yard a game receiver, and he's not. It seems it's ok for others here to flat out lie and nobody says a word. And no, I didn't realize that 56 yards a game made you a superstar, I have never heard anyone ever say that. I will say that 56 does seem like an odd number, but oh well. I reported straight up facts, not opinion, verifiable, published stats and I'm bias and have no clue?  I guess I'm just not part of the good ol' boys club around here.

so, if I go and watch youtube, will it makes those stats grow? Maybe they should start putting asterisks by all these superstar's stats with a footnote that explains to us new fans that instead of looking at their stats we should just disregard them and go watch youtube?

And I didn't try to tell you anything, I just mused that maybe it wasn't the bargain that everyone thinks it is... I didn't claim that he was wash-up, beyond his prime, incapable, etc.... I merely provided everyone with his stats, you all are reading everything else into it...

buy hey, like I told ol' gbill, if you're happy, I'm elated...

How cute, your first fight here. Get used to it, if certain people on this forum don't like what you post they simply attack you as if you are not entitled to your opinion.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2018, 03:58:21 PM
with absolutely no respect, you do realize that I was replying to a statement made by someone other than myself that claimed Bowman was a 100 yard per game receiver, right? And that he scored around 10 TD's a season? He was the one talking out the other side of his head, not me. How it is possible for me to have no clue when all I did was provide you with stats? How is it that I am bias when all I did was provide stats?  I didn't make up the stats, they came directly from the CFL. Explain to me how a stat can be bias.... I'd love to hear this.  Just because you don't like what it says, don't blame me. 

Ol' whats his name tried to feed me line of crap saying that Bowman is a 100 yard a game receiver, and he's not. It seems it's ok for others here to flat out lie and nobody says a word. And no, I didn't realize that 56 yards a game made you a superstar, I have never heard anyone ever say that. I will say that 56 does seem like an odd number, but oh well. I reported straight up facts, not opinion, verifiable, published stats and I'm bias and have no clue?  I guess I'm just not part of the good ol' boys club around here.

so, if I go and watch youtube, will it makes those stats grow? Maybe they should start putting asterisks by all these superstar's stats with a footnote that explains to us new fans that instead of looking at their stats we should just disregard them and go watch youtube?

And I didn't try to tell you anything, I just mused that maybe it wasn't the bargain that everyone thinks it is... I didn't claim that he was wash-up, beyond his prime, incapable, etc.... I merely provided everyone with his stats, you all are reading everything else into it...

buy hey, like I told ol' gbill, if you're happy, I'm elated...

I'm not sure why this is so heated but Adarious has been a stud in the CFL since 2014, for sure. In his last 46 games (3 seasons), he's amassed 3645 yards receiving, which is good for 79.24 yards a game and 21 touchdowns. He's also been pretty durable. In his last 4 seasons, he's missed 9 regular season games playing in 63 out of a possible 72 games. For a receiver with 370 catches over that same span, I'd say that's pretty darn impressive.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 04:00:33 PM
with absolutely no respect, you do realize that I was replying to a statement made by someone other than myself that claimed Bowman was a 100 yard per game receiver, right? And that he scored around 10 TD's a season? He was the one talking out the other side of his head, not me. How it is possible for me to have no clue when all I did was provide you with stats? How is it that I am bias when all I did was provide stats?  I didn't make up the stats, they came directly from the CFL. Explain to me how a stat can be bias.... I'd love to hear this.  Just because you don't like what it says, don't blame me. 

Ol' whats his name tried to feed me line of crap saying that Bowman is a 100 yard a game receiver, and he's not. It seems it's ok for others here to flat out lie and nobody says a word. And no, I didn't realize that 56 yards a game made you a superstar, I have never heard anyone ever say that. I will say that 56 does seem like an odd number, but oh well. I reported straight up facts, not opinion, verifiable, published stats and I'm bias and have no clue?  I guess I'm just not part of the good ol' boys club around here.

so, if I go and watch youtube, will it makes those stats grow? Maybe they should start putting asterisks by all these superstar's stats with a footnote that explains to us new fans that instead of looking at their stats we should just disregard them and go watch youtube?

And I didn't try to tell you anything, I just mused that maybe it wasn't the bargain that everyone thinks it is... I didn't claim that he was wash-up, beyond his prime, incapable, etc.... I merely provided everyone with his stats, you all are reading everything else into it...

buy hey, like I told ol' gbill, if you're happy, I'm elated...

56 yards per game is a 1000 yard pace. That is generally the accepted threshold for star receiver in our league. As for musing about whether 140k is a bargain, well there aren't many receivers with the pedigree of Bowman that have played for less in this league in many, many years. If you watch youtube it won't make his stats grow, but you may be able to see beyond the stats at things like how many times he is double covered, and other ways he is extremely impactful on the game.
 
You can get all defensive and think we're picking on you, but that's simply not true. As a football fan you should know that stats without context very rarely paint a complete picture of any athlete's worth.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Colton on February 12, 2018, 04:01:44 PM
with absolutely no respect, you do realize that I was replying to a statement made by someone other than myself that claimed Bowman was a 100 yard per game receiver, right? And that he scored around 10 TD's a season? He was the one talking out the other side of his head, not me. How it is possible for me to have no clue when all I did was provide you with stats? How is it that I am bias when all I did was provide stats?  I didn't make up the stats, they came directly from the CFL. Explain to me how a stat can be bias.... I'd love to hear this.  Just because you don't like what it says, don't blame me. 

Ol' whats his name tried to feed me line of crap saying that Bowman is a 100 yard a game receiver, and he's not. It seems it's ok for others here to flat out lie and nobody says a word. And no, I didn't realize that 56 yards a game made you a superstar, I have never heard anyone ever say that. I will say that 56 does seem like an odd number, but oh well. I reported straight up facts, not opinion, verifiable, published stats and I'm bias and have no clue?  I guess I'm just not part of the good ol' boys club around here.

so, if I go and watch youtube, will it makes those stats grow? Maybe they should start putting asterisks by all these superstar's stats with a footnote that explains to us new fans that instead of looking at their stats we should just disregard them and go watch youtube?

And I didn't try to tell you anything, I just mused that maybe it wasn't the bargain that everyone thinks it is... I didn't claim that he was wash-up, beyond his prime, incapable, etc.... I merely provided everyone with his stats, you all are reading everything else into it...

buy hey, like I told ol' gbill, if you're happy, I'm elated...

"I'm not so sure that he is the bargain that most thought/think he is..."
"no wonder Edmonton cut him before free agency hit..."

Yep, those are stats


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
edmonton cut him for serious cap implications....the sole reason...they have other high salaries they need to pay where they can "somewhat" adequately cover his spot with a cheaper option...nothing to do with talent or decline in talent


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 04:03:48 PM
How cute, your first fight here. Get used to it, if certain people on this forum don't like what you post they simply attack you as if you are not entitled to your opinion.

Or maybe, we're attacking a posters agenda and not them personally. If you have strong opinions and put them out there...it's fair game.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 04:05:35 PM
"I'm not so sure that he is the bargain that most thought/think he is..."
"no wonder Edmonton cut him before free agency hit..."

Yep, those are stats

You make strong statements like that...you get a strong reaction. Chevelle is acting like he wasn't stoking the fire but the proof is in the pudding. For some reason he has an axe to grind with the Bowman signing but without watching the guy play.... ???.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
I'm not sure why this is so heated but Adarious has been a stud in the CFL since 2014, for sure. In his last 46 games (3 seasons), he's amassed 3645 yards receiving, which is good for 79.24 yards a game and 21 touchdowns. He's also been pretty durable. In his last 4 seasons, he's missed 9 regular season games playing in 63 out of a possible 72 games. For a receiver with 370 catches over that same span, I'd say that's pretty darn impressive.

Extremely impressive stats to be sure, but even impressive numbers like that don't tell the whole story of how valuable he was to his team.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 12, 2018, 04:31:31 PM
like I've said before, read into it what you want.... another member straight up lied to me and you all have no problem with that what so ever... I list stats to show that he was lying and I'm the bad guy, I'm the one with an agenda... sure, whatever...

and I don't think anyone is picking on me, lol... and to be quite honest, I wouldn't care if you are... it changes nothing in my life, so, if you want, or if it makes you feel better, feel free to pick on me at will because it will not bother me in the least... it's not like we're 12...

And if Edmonton cut him for cap reasons, doesn't that translate to 'he's not worth what he's asking'? Or, that his talent that he's proven capable of providing is no longer worth to them what they are paying for it?  I doubt any team cuts players that they think are worth more than what they are paying them for the services... wouldn't seem logical to get rid of that person and bring in a lesser skilled person for the same or more money, not to me anyway...

And when I say, 'maybe he's not the bargain everyone thinks/thought he was' leaves just as great a chance that he IS... 

Maybe it some of you that are being extremely too sensitive... but long story short, if you want to lie to me and misled me, don't be surprised when you get caught in a lie...

if you can sit there and say that there is no reason at all to have any concerns, any doubts, any apprehensions, any worries about signing a 32 year old man, coming off the worse season of his career (other than his rookie year), that has yet to play an entire season in that now 10 year career, and coming off a hamstring injury... maybe it's not me that has the agenda here...

I said multiple times that I'm good with the signing, as long as it doesn't affect the needed changes for the defense. I've said that adding him has improved our offense. Then I get lied to and misled, and I'm the bad guy...

in the mean time, feel free to continue to point out how I'm wrong or how I'm playing to my agenda, or anything else you would like to do or say... I'm ok with it...



Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: booch on February 12, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
I think it was a matter due to cap that no...he wasn't worth 265k a year with 140k up front right off the top
I think it's pretty obvious that the Esk's realized no receiver in the CFL is worth that kind of scratch.

They had a lot of money tied into other spots and have to add money to their defense...so I think they figured he would accept a low ball offer to stay there as he had a lot of ties there and was happy...but they were wrong and  he balked at it and we got him...their loss if you ask me and pretty sure they aren't happy they couldn't of found a way to keep him


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 12, 2018, 04:39:51 PM
Or maybe, we're attacking a posters agenda and not them personally. If you have strong opinions and put them out there...it's fair game.

That's exactly it. It seems like a select few fail to grasp that concept and immediately go on the defensive and play the victim. If you have an opinion, make sure it's properly constructed or you'll wind up getting called out. It's pretty simple.

I'm no sure how anyone could look at the Bowman acquisition as detrimental to this team, especially at the price for which he signed. Not only is he a top echelon receiver in the league, he's become a role model off the field. That fits right into the mould of this team and his skill set is basically what the offense missed last season in the receiving corps.

Extremely impressive stats to be sure, but even impressive numbers like that don't tell the whole story of how valuable he was to his team.

Gotta look beyond the numbers sometimes. And the consensus around the league regarding Bowman's quality as one of the best in recent years.



Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 12, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
You make strong statements like that...you get a strong reaction. Chevelle is acting like he wasn't stoking the fire but the proof is in the pudding. For some reason he has an axe to grind with the Bowman signing but without watching the guy play.... ???.

you consider those to be 'strong statements'? honestly? lol... come on, you can do better than that... strong statements, lol....

I have no axe to grind here and I'm not stoking any fires... you know what they say, the fox smells his own a** first... maybe that applies here?  just sayin'

and I haven't watched Mr. Bowman play as much as everyone else here, but I assure you I have seen him play on multiple occasions. So, there you go again, misleading other members here saying that I haven't done something that I have actually done.  Yet, I'm the bad guy... sounds reasonable...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
like I've said before, read into it what you want.... another member straight up lied to me and you all have no problem with that what so ever... I list stats to show that he was lying and I'm the bad guy, I'm the one with an agenda... sure, whatever...

and I don't think anyone is picking on me, lol... and to be quite honest, I wouldn't care if you are... it changes nothing in my life, so, if you want, or if it makes you feel better, feel free to pick on me at will because it will not bother me in the least... it's not like we're 12...

And if Edmonton cut him for cap reasons, doesn't that translate to 'he's not worth what he's asking'? Or, that his talent that he's proven capable of providing is no longer worth to them what they are paying for it?  I doubt any team cuts players that they think are worth more than what they are paying them for the services... wouldn't seem logical to get rid of that person and bring in a lesser skilled person for the same or more money, not to me anyway...

And when I say, 'maybe he's not the bargain everyone thinks/thought he was' leaves just as great a chance that he IS... 

Maybe it some of you that are being extremely too sensitive... but long story short, if you want to lie to me and misled me, don't be surprised when you get caught in a lie...

if you can sit there and say that there is no reason at all to have any concerns, any doubts, any apprehensions, any worries about signing a 32 year old man, coming off the worse season of his career (other than his rookie year), that has yet to play an entire season in that now 10 year career, and coming off a hamstring injury... maybe it's not me that has the agenda here...

I said multiple times that I'm good with the signing, as long as it doesn't affect the needed changes for the defense. I've said that adding him has improved our offense. Then I get lied to and misled, and I'm the bad guy...

in the mean time, feel free to continue to point out how I'm wrong or how I'm playing to my agenda, or anything else you would like to do or say... I'm ok with it...



I can positively say with no agenda whatsoever that I have zero doubt that Bowman is worth every penny we are paying him. I have been critical of Walters work many, many times in the past and will call a spade a spade. This is easily one of the best signings he has ever made. Bowman is an elite receiver in this league. He was not cut because he has nothing left to give, he was cut because Ed Hervey signed him to a 265k deal and that was ridiculous for any non-QB IMP player to be making.

The Esks could have cut him last year when he was making 250k...but didn't because they had the cap room to keep him and knew he was elite. This year they realized that they needed to give the money to other players in order to chase a championship. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 12, 2018, 04:47:12 PM
I'm confused as to what we're arguing here? Bowman is good. He's the best (or possibly second best) receiver on our team. He's had a ton of success over the last four years. If we got him for $140,000 that's a really good deal. We needed to add a big-bodied receiver. He's a big-bodied receiver. He's fantastic in the community. He doesn't come with baggage. He's a great signing and we should be happy we've got him.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 12, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
I'm confused as to what we're arguing here? Bowman is good. He's the best (or possibly second best) receiver on our team. He's had a ton of success over the last four years. If we got him for $140,000 that's a really good deal. We needed to add a big-bodied receiver. He's a big-bodied receiver. He's fantastic in the community. He doesn't come with baggage. He's a great signing and we should be happy we've got him.


you and me both... my comment was in reply to a quote that someone directed at me, no more no less. I'll concede all the points you made above, other than it's still speculation as to what we got him for... how one determine success or failure is a relative thing, so everyone should feel free to come to their own determinations of it... And I'll be very happy as long as it doesn't impact our ability to improve the defense, which is still to be seen.... happy, happy, happy.... that's me, just happy!



Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: 66 Chevelle on February 12, 2018, 04:55:27 PM
I can positively say with no agenda whatsoever that I have zero doubt that Bowman is worth every penny we are paying him. I have been critical of Walters work many, many times in the past and will call a spade a spade. This is easily one of the best signings he has ever made. Bowman is an elite receiver in this league. He was not cut because he has nothing left to give, he was cut because Ed Hervey signed him to a 265k deal and that was ridiculous for any non-QB IMP player to be making.

The Esks could have cut him last year when he was making 250k...but didn't because they had the cap room to keep him and knew he was elite. This year they realized that they needed to give the money to other players in order to chase a championship. Simple as that.

lets just agree to, I don't know what... disagree?  Let's just agree to move along.... how about that... I'm good with that... and hopefully you are as well, because of right now, this very second, I've already moved on...


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 12, 2018, 05:07:44 PM
I don't think we will see a '14-'16 version of Bowman, but I think he will put up very good numbers...something like 1200 yards, 6-8 TDs.  But more importantly he will change the entire dynamic of the offense by really opening things up. With Adams, Dressler, Bowman and Harris all on the field at the same time, defenses won't be able to key in on anyone.  I can't wait...the offence is going to be really exciting this season!  

I think 1200 yards is a bit of a stretch.....6 td's if he don't get hurt too early into the season..


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Colton on February 12, 2018, 05:10:39 PM
like I've said before, read into it what you want.... another member straight up lied to me and you all have no problem with that what so ever... I list stats to show that he was lying and I'm the bad guy, I'm the one with an agenda... sure, whatever...

Nobody lied to you. The post you quoted said he believed his best TD total was around 10 (It's 9), and then referenced that in Bowman's last full season he had 100+ yards a game, which he did.

You're taking that post faaaaar to literally.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 05:13:36 PM
Nobody lied to you. The post you quoted said he believed his best TD total was around 10 (It's 9), and then referenced that in Bowman's last full season he had 100+ yards a game, which he did.

You're taking that post faaaaar to literally.

For sure.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: BlueInCgy on February 12, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
with absolutely no respect, you do realize that I was replying to a statement made by someone other than myself that claimed Bowman was a 100 yard per game receiver, right? And that he scored around 10 TD's a season? He was the one talking out the other side of his head, not me. How it is possible for me to have no clue when all I did was provide you with stats? How is it that I am bias when all I did was provide stats?  I didn't make up the stats, they came directly from the CFL. Explain to me how a stat can be bias.... I'd love to hear this.  Just because you don't like what it says, don't blame me. 

Ol' whats his name tried to feed me line of crap saying that Bowman is a 100 yard a game receiver, and he's not. It seems it's ok for others here to flat out lie and nobody says a word. And no, I didn't realize that 56 yards a game made you a superstar, I have never heard anyone ever say that. I will say that 56 does seem like an odd number, but oh well. I reported straight up facts, not opinion, verifiable, published stats and I'm bias and have no clue?  I guess I'm just not part of the good ol' boys club around here.

so, if I go and watch youtube, will it makes those stats grow? Maybe they should start putting asterisks by all these superstar's stats with a footnote that explains to us new fans that instead of looking at their stats we should just disregard them and go watch youtube?

And I didn't try to tell you anything, I just mused that maybe it wasn't the bargain that everyone thinks it is... I didn't claim that he was wash-up, beyond his prime, incapable, etc.... I merely provided everyone with his stats, you all are reading everything else into it...

buy hey, like I told ol' gbill, if you're happy, I'm elated...

Oh, this is fun.

First off, with regards to TDs, what I said was I believed his best season was around 10 TDs, I did not say he was a 10 TD a year receiver, and it was in response to your "he better at least contribute 2 TDs a game then" comment, which I was pointing out was a fairly ridiculous expectation, especially based on his best season.  I was off by 1 TD for that season, and that's why I said "around 10 TDs", so if you're going to pick a fight, start on the right foot.

To your issue with the 100+ yard comment I made, yes I was basing that on his last healthy season, 2016.  His previous two years were in fact less than that.  Now, how many other receivers in CFL history have averaged over 100 yards a game in any single season.

Allen Pitts (twice)
Terry Greer
Derrell Mitchell
Hal Patterson (who holds the record for most yards in a game that year at 338)
Milt Stegall
Geroy Simon
Derrell Smith
Brian Kelly
Jamel Richardson

(there may be a couple more, but I would have to correlate # of teams and games as the seasons have not always been 18 game seasons)

With the exception of Richardson (EDIT - and Greer and Smith, I don't want A51 66 to get mad about stats again), those are all CFL Hall of Famers.  And, important to note, is in 2016, Derrell Walker had 1610 yards in receptions, which was in no small part having to do with the fact that defenses had to plan for both receivers, hence my point about drawing extra defensive coverage.

Now, let's take a look at some other stats from recent history that you seem to be glossing over

2016 - Adarius Bowman #1 in receiving yards, #1 in receptions (good for fifth overall in CFL history)
2015 - Adarius Bowman #2 in receiving yards, #1 in receptions
2014 - Adarius Bowman #1 in receiving yards, #1 in receptions

Edmonton Eskimos Career Receptions - Fifth overall in team history (7 seasons played), 440 receptions.  325 of those receptions came in three season (14 - 16)
Edmonton Eskimos Career Receiving Yards - Seventh overall in team history (7 seasons played) 6516 yards.  4521 of those yards came in three seasons (14 - 16)
Edmonton Eskimos Career Single Game Receiving Yards - Eighth in teams history, 226 yards

Those are guaranteed first ballot HOF numbers.  Had he not been hurt last year, there's no reason to believe he would not have continued that trend.


Now, let's put some perspective on value.  In 2015, it is reported that the WBB were paying Nick Moore and Clarence Denmark around $180k each (source - http://3downnation.com/2015/04/07/decreased-salary-disparity-a-big-win-for-cfl/).  Denmark's best season (2014) was 1,080 yards, and Nick Moore's was 1,105 (2013 in BC).  We already know Bowman's stats for 2014, but in 2013, he racked up 697 yards in 9 games played.  Moore took 17 games to get to 1,105.  If we signed Adarius for $140K, that's extremely good value.







Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 05:17:01 PM


you and me both... my comment was in reply to a quote that someone directed at me, no more no less. I'll concede all the points you made above, other than it's still speculation as to what we got him for... how one determine success or failure is a relative thing, so everyone should feel free to come to their own determinations of it... And I'll be very happy as long as it doesn't impact our ability to improve the defense, which is still to be seen.... happy, happy, happy.... that's me, just happy!



I'm glad you now agree that if we got him for 140k that it is a really good deal. It seems all this arguing has changed your opinion that he may not be worth that.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: NorthernSkunk on February 12, 2018, 05:20:13 PM
How cute, your first fight here. Get used to it, if certain people on this forum don't like what you post they simply attack you as if you are not entitled to your opinion.

x2


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: GCn17 on February 12, 2018, 05:32:47 PM
Oh, this is fun.

First off, with regards to TDs, what I said was I believed his best season was around 10 TDs, I did not say he was a 10 TD a year receiver, and it was in response to your "he better at least contribute 2 TDs a game then" comment, which I was pointing out was a fairly ridiculous expectation, especially based on his best season.  I was off by 1 TD for that season, and that's why I said "around 10 TDs", so if you're going to pick a fight, start on the right foot.

To your issue with the 100+ yard comment I made, yes I was basing that on his last healthy season, 2016.  His previous two years were in fact less than that.  Now, how many other receivers in CFL history have averaged over 100 yards a game in any single season.

Allen Pitts (twice)
Terry Greer
Derrell Mitchell
Hal Patterson (who holds the record for most yards in a game that year at 338)
Milt Stegall
Geroy Simon
Derrell Smith
Brian Kelly
Jamel Richardson

(there may be a couple more, but I would have to correlate # of teams and games as the seasons have not always been 18 game seasons)

With the exception of Richardson, those are all CFL Hall of Famers.  And, important to note, is in 2016, Derrell Walker had 1610 yards in receptions, which was in no small part having to do with the fact that defenses had to plan for both receivers, hence my point about drawing extra defensive coverage.

Now, let's take a look at some other stats from recent history that you seem to be glossing over

2016 - Adarius Bowman #1 in receiving yards, #1 in receptions (good for fifth overall in CFL history)
2015 - Adarius Bowman #2 in receiving yards, #1 in receptions
2014 - Adarius Bowman #1 in receiving yards, #1 in receptions

Edmonton Eskimos Career Receptions - Fifth overall in team history (7 seasons played), 440 receptions.  325 of those receptions came in three season (14 - 16)
Edmonton Eskimos Career Receiving Yards - Seventh overall in team history (7 seasons played) 6516 yards.  4521 of those yards came in three seasons (14 - 16)
Edmonton Eskimos Career Single Game Receiving Yards - Eighth in teams history, 226 yards

Those are guaranteed first ballot HOF numbers.  Had he not been hurt last year, there's no reason to believe he would not have continued that trend.


Now, let's put some perspective on value.  In 2015, it is reported that the WBB were paying Nick Moore and Clarence Denmark around $180k each (source - http://3downnation.com/2015/04/07/decreased-salary-disparity-a-big-win-for-cfl/).  Denmark's best season (2014) was 1,080 yards, and Nick Moore's was 1,105 (2013 in BC).  We already know Bowman's stats for 2014, but in 2013, he racked up 697 yards in 9 games played.  Moore took 17 games to get to 1,105.  If we signed Adarius for $140K, that's extremely good value.







For sure. 140k per year equates to fair market value for a 800-900 yard receiver. It's what we signed Kenny Stafford for last year and what pretty much any 3rd or 4th veteran receiver can expect to make in this league. Guys who Bowman has outperformed in the past several year, Ernest Jackson, Manny Arceneaux, Duron Carter, etc. etc. are all making 190k+...some as high as 250k.


Title: Re: Bombers sign Adarius Bowman!
Post by: Horseman on February 12, 2018, 08:33:20 PM
I dont think the ball is intended to bounce. I think its usually thrown too short unintentionally . If the ball skips off the ground five yards away from the receiver in the backfield, chances of a turnover.  Quarterback usually hucks it so quickly he underthrows the receiver. Either way its not a great play. Best is when you throw those and the player can take off himself with ball .

No, "The Bounce Pass" as it is called is intentionally thrown so it bounces off the ground to the receiver who is to the side and slightly behind the QB which makes it a lateral pass and as such a live ball. The receiver will then throw the ball after it bounces directly to him down the field to an open target hopefully after the defender stops his coverage because he thinks its an incomplete pass because his angle of view is that he sees a pass bouncing off the turf. I haven't seen it used in a number of years and never at the professional level, but it is a legal play.

Here is you tube link to the play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf5twKdd0mk