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Title: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: The Zipp on January 04, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Cryptic tweet from TJ this morning..

T.j. Heath‏Verified account
@TjHeath34
Following Following @TjHeath34
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When u find something that?s consistently good..invest in it or someone else will



Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 04, 2018, 02:40:04 PM
Cryptic tweet from TJ this morning..

T.j. Heath‏Verified account
@TjHeath34
Following Following @TjHeath34
More
When u find something that?s consistently good..invest in it or someone else will
That could mean anything, and if it is contract related, it's probably just part of the negotiations. 

Remember Lamar Durant's recent tweet, where he tweeted "Free Agency".  Then a couple days later he re-signed with Calgary. 


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: The Zipp on January 04, 2018, 02:40:47 PM
That could mean anything, and if it is contract related, it's probably just part of the negotiations. 

Remember Lamar Durant's recent tweet, where he tweeted "Free Agency".  Then a couple days later he re-signed with Calgary. 

yup...one never knows...


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 04, 2018, 02:53:17 PM
Nothing about our secondary was consistently good last year.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 04, 2018, 03:30:10 PM
He was an all star and his stock would go up because of it.....we had 3 all stars in the secondary and our stats were horrific aside from our takeaways and interceptions.  Our coaching might be suspect however it looks,like the Bombers are standing pat...once again.   Fatal flaw imho!


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 04, 2018, 06:07:50 PM
http://3downnation.com/2018/01/04/all-star-db-t-j-heath-seems-unhappy-about-negotiations-with-bombers/


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: thunderNlightning on January 04, 2018, 06:37:02 PM
Heath was a do or die type player. If he was not intercepting balls he for the most part was pretty invisible. He did get beat for some big plays and whiffed tackles. He is a veteran which is hard to replace when you have rookies starting. But if there is a better player in free agency, Im ok with not re signing him. Will not be the end of the world. Im sure with Hall still around it wont matter who is back there giving up 400 yards per game in the air anyway.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: blueraid on January 04, 2018, 07:34:47 PM
Hate to lose guys of his calibre BUT the lure of more money elsewhere is always there.....Will the grass be greener ....?? a few have found out that's not always the case :-\


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: theaardvark on January 04, 2018, 08:24:17 PM
I'm sure Walters has a number in mind, and that number might not be as high as another GM trying to win this year. 

Can't fault a guy for wanting to get paid, TJ certainly has earned that right.  But its a business.  We can't give everyone what they want, unless what they want is a reasonable salary paid to play on a great team. ;)


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Blue In BC on January 04, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Heath was a do or die type player. If he was not intercepting balls he for the most part was pretty invisible. He did get beat for some big plays and whiffed tackles. He is a veteran which is hard to replace when you have rookies starting. But if there is a better player in free agency, Im ok with not re signing him. Will not be the end of the world. Im sure with Hall still around it wont matter who is back there giving up 400 yards per game in the air anyway.

Invisible you say? He was tied with Randle for 4th in DT's with 64. If he had 3 more tackles he would have been 2nd.

I think you underestimate his value in 2017. However, I have no idea what his financial expectations are or how realistic he sets his market value. Extremely likely he plays in the CFL for someone in 2018.

Whether it's the Bombers or not I don't know. IMO we can't afford to lose him and we've had difficulty actually finding rookie import talent at DB.

I foresee us starting Alexander, Walker and Parker ( 2017 PR ) if we lose Heath and / or Randle.



Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 04, 2018, 09:27:22 PM
T.j. Heath‏Verified account
@TjHeath34 

😂y?all took that and ran with it didn?t y?all.  I?m blessed beyond measure man to be unhappy! And besides it?s January. Still early! but I get it I?m ready for football season too 😂!



Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: dd on January 04, 2018, 11:30:45 PM
I cringe at the thought of loosing Randal or Heath and then convulse when I think if this happens, we'll start Alexander and Walker.....we'll get severely torched in 2018!!! It will be disasterous!!!

Hey Mr. New Scout....can you find us some quality DB's???!!!


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: blue_or_die on January 05, 2018, 01:38:25 AM
T.j. Heath‏Verified account
@TjHeath34 

😂y?all took that and ran with it didn?t y?all.  I?m blessed beyond measure man to be unhappy! And besides it?s January. Still early! but I get it I?m ready for football season too 😂!



Does this imply a tweet wasn't a complete and factual statement?


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: tlf on January 05, 2018, 02:50:33 AM
Could be about his significant other for all we know. You all read way too much into social media.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: DM83 on January 05, 2018, 04:39:47 AM
TJ, Get your *** back to Winnipeg.  We are trending upward, everyone else is going  the otherway.  Sign a one year deal, win the Grey Cup,and then ask for the moon!
You are our best DB, and should be paid like it, and you will. 


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2018, 05:30:11 AM
TJ, Get your *** back to Winnipeg.  We are trending upward, everyone else is going  the otherway.  Sign a one year deal, win the Grey Cup,and then ask for the moon!
You are our best DB, and should be paid like it, and you will. 

Sorry to say, but he doesn't need another year to "ask for the moon".  He has been a league leader in INT's the last two years, and an all star, even in a year he played with 2 different teams.  He's earned his "ask for the moon" status, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 05, 2018, 06:32:08 AM
One thing our D accomplished was scoring points.....one of the reasons we ended up scoring that many points!  Heath has had a lot of pics in both seasons.....being an all star ups the ante.   If he goes his replacement will likely not be as good or a long shot to be as good.....at best.  He?s got the upper hand at the moment....good for him....maybe not so good for the Bombers....unfortunately!


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 05, 2018, 09:15:48 AM
Give Heath the money unless it's off in crazy town.  If he's so far offbase then let him sit in FA until he realizes no one will pay what he's asking, then come crawling back to WPG.  If we had LB/DB corps consisting of a bunch of Randles, Leggets and Heaths, we'd have won the '17 GC.  Gotta keep the performers.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: GCn18 on January 05, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
These kind of tweets are good news imo. It means that the player and the team are talking. I suspect that Heath will be signed soon. It always concerns me when you hear nothing about a player re-signing because if Heath wanted out/or the Bombers had other plans that's what we would hear.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: TBURGESS on January 05, 2018, 02:40:32 PM
I'm not worried about Health yet. I'd hate to lose him tho. He's one of the best and deserves to be paid like it. If we won't, some other team will.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 05, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
Any other interesting DBs available in free agency, in case Heath signs elsewhere? 


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2018, 03:12:40 PM
I'm not worried about Health yet. I'd hate to lose him tho. He's one of the best and deserves to be paid like it. If we won't, some other team will.

Can't remembner where I heard that before... oh wait...


T.j. Heath@TjHeath34
When u find something that?s consistently good..invest in it or someone else will

;)


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Jockitch on January 05, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
would it be realistic to think Walters would try & trade TJHeath for a starting MLB. ??


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: The Zipp on January 05, 2018, 06:17:20 PM
would it be realistic to think Walters would try & trade TJHeath for a starting MLB. ??

trading a pending FA isn't that easy...maybe works for QB's...sign him then trade him???  i  don't know about that...


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: GCn18 on January 05, 2018, 06:22:58 PM
would it be realistic to think Walters would try & trade TJHeath for a starting MLB. ??

No. Not realistic in the least imo.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2018, 06:28:52 PM
Trading a Nat all star or a QB that is a pending FA might be a trade that can be made, but a Int, even an allstar, not so much.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: GCn18 on January 05, 2018, 06:54:28 PM
Trading a Nat all star or a QB that is a pending FA might be a trade that can be made, but a Int, even an allstar, not so much.

You might get an obligatory but obscure neg list player or something if someone really wants negotiating rights. The only way such a trade would be made is if Walters wanted to someone a favor because he could get almost nothing in return.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 05, 2018, 06:58:05 PM
Trading a Nat all star or a QB that is a pending FA might be a trade that can be made, but a Int, even an allstar, not so much.
Closest example I can think of is when Walters traded for Chris Randle from Calgary, when Randle was a pending free agent.  He wasn't an all-star at the time, but had high potential.  I believe the trade involved the Bombers and Calgary swapping mid-round picks that draft. 


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2018, 08:05:06 PM
With Younger in and Hall staying, I think the TJ Heath story might be changing...


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 05, 2018, 08:06:23 PM
With Younger in and Hall staying, I think the TJ Heath story might be changing...
Younger is only 39 years old.  Maybe he can play some DB for us!  :D


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 05, 2018, 09:12:50 PM
you give him want he wants, end of


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 05, 2018, 09:16:23 PM
you give him want he wants, end of

What an excellent way to build a team! Everyone line up and tell me what you want! Uncle Kyle has blank cheques!


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 05, 2018, 09:21:54 PM
What an excellent way to build a team! Everyone line up and tell me what you want! Uncle Kyle has blank cheques!

you know what I mean, pay the man, sometimes it's the cost of doing business, I didn't say pay everyone.  The elite get what they want and get what they earn....

or I guess we want 3 rookies back there, how that work out this year?, o right it's all on Hall.... right...... ??? :o


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 05, 2018, 09:22:58 PM
Nothing about our secondary was consistently good last year.

nuff said

https://www.cfl.ca/players/tj-heath/160085/


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 05, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
nuff said

https://www.cfl.ca/players/tj-heath/160085/
Weren't those 5 INT's in the first 5-6 games and then he had none the rest of the season? 


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 05, 2018, 09:27:05 PM
Weren't those 5 INT's in the first 5-6 games and then he had none the rest of the season? 

yeah let him walk and sign a rookie for minimum or another 30 year old that we will release half way through the season  ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) :P :-*

TJ's don't grow on tress, he is peaking and you pay for fresh fruit LOL


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 05, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
nuff said

https://www.cfl.ca/players/tj-heath/160085/

Don't get me wrong I'd pay the man, but he's not a sign at all costs free agent. It would hurt if he left, but teams just threw around him most of the year anyway. I hope he signs.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 05, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
Don't get me wrong I'd pay the man, but he's not a sign at all costs free agent. It would hurt if he left, but teams just threw around him most of the year anyway. I hope he signs.

ok good, you had me worried there.  we are of similar mindset but you just want to save a little $$

risky in my mind,

what do others think? break the bank or try to muscle him for a "WPG" deal LOL


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: gbill2004 on January 05, 2018, 09:33:56 PM
ok good, you had me worried there.  we are of similar mindset but you just want to save a little $$

risky in my mind,

what do others think? break the bank or try to muscle him for a "WPG" deal LOL
He?s not a break the bank type player. Pay him fair market value and if he doesn?t want to be here, then move on. I?m sure Walters has a number where he?s walking away.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: bunker on January 05, 2018, 10:55:56 PM
yeah let him walk and sign a rookie for minimum or another 30 year old that we will release half way through the season  ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) :P :-*

TJ's don't grow on tress, he is peaking and you pay for fresh fruit LOL
Agree, need to find a way to keep him. He's talented, and experienced DBs are not easily replaced.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2018, 11:26:13 PM
Walters has signed a number of top players so far to "Winnipeg" contracts, at east contracts that were fair enough that the players forewent the FA process.

Now that the defensive coaching picture is defined, and Younger is on staff, TJ has a solid knowledge of what to expect.  So his decision will be a lot easier to make, one way of the other.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: GCn18 on January 06, 2018, 08:42:21 PM
Walters is a good SMS manager. I have bones to pick with him is some areas of his management, but I trust his ability to assess TJ`s value and to get him signed to that number. I strongly believe that TJ wants to remain a Bomber. When guys go public with contract frustrations it`s because they want to stay. That gives us a edge imo.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Blue In BC on January 06, 2018, 09:11:16 PM
Walters is a good SMS manager. I have bones to pick with him is some areas of his management, but I trust his ability to assess TJ`s value and to get him signed to that number. I strongly believe that TJ wants to remain a Bomber. When guys go public with contract frustrations it`s because they want to stay. That gives us a edge imo.

I don't honestly expect to lose Heath or Randle. I agree the Bombers will make fair offers to both. If they leave they leave for other reasons IMO.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: GCn18 on January 06, 2018, 10:59:56 PM
I don't honestly expect to lose Heath or Randle. I agree the Bombers will make fair offers to both. If they leave they leave for other reasons IMO.

For sure. We have the advantage of being their current team, and having a high probability of them getting playoff money.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: NorthernSkunk on January 06, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
For sure. We have the advantage of being their current team, and having a high probability of them getting playoff money.

How much playoff money do they get for one playoff game ? Like the WSF one An done scenario ?


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: booch on January 07, 2018, 01:03:49 AM
According to the collective bargaining agreement, Canadian Football League players are entitled to $3,400 for participation in the divisional semifinal, $3,600 for playing in the final and $16,000 for winning the Grey Cup (the losers get $8,000).

that was 4 years ago...not sure if it has changed...assume it must have


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: NorthernSkunk on January 07, 2018, 02:10:17 AM
According to the collective bargaining agreement, Canadian Football League players are entitled to $3,400 for participation in the divisional semifinal, $3,600 for playing in the final and $16,000 for winning the Grey Cup (the losers get $8,000).

that was 4 years ago...not sure if it has changed...assume it must have

Thanks for the numbers.........hardly a contract changing number though eh on where to sign for a player....


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 07, 2018, 03:24:23 AM
I hope we can bring him back he is IMO one of our best defensive players.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 08, 2018, 01:15:19 AM
I hope we can bring him back he is IMO one of our best defensive players.

He is and will be paid like one, he knows it but the club is just trying to save money so they can throw it at other areas of concern, risky in my mind.  Pay the man!


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: kkc60 on January 08, 2018, 01:21:10 AM
He is and will be paid like one, he knows it but the club is just trying to save money so they can throw it at other areas of concern, risky in my mind.  Pay the man!
I want Randle first. Heath is great, but Randle is Randle.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: GCn18 on January 08, 2018, 11:31:28 AM
I want Randle first. Heath is great, but Randle is Randle.

I agree, although logic says the DHB should be the priority.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: blue_or_die on January 08, 2018, 12:45:51 PM
I agree, although logic says the DHB should be the priority.

You're probably right that it's harder to find a good HB like Heath (or Hefney is another great example, circa 2011), but to find an actual shut-down corner is probably equally hard I would argue.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 08, 2018, 01:38:32 PM
would it be realistic to think Walters would try & trade TJHeath for a starting MLB. ??

Why when there are MLB free agents available next month?

I agree, although logic says the DHB should be the priority.

Both gotta be re-signed. That tandem was one of the league's best in 2017.

I can't see Walters letting either walk and I'm now sure how much people should be reading into a tweet at this point, especially since Heath has responded to it.


Title: Re: Bombers moving on from TJ Heath?? Negotiations at a stalemate??
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 08, 2018, 04:10:57 PM

Both gotta be re-signed. That tandem was one of the league's best in 2017.

I can't see Walters letting either walk and I'm now sure how much people should be reading into a tweet at this point, especially since Heath has responded to it.

Losing both would be disastrous for the secondary, which is an area that already needs to be shored up.  Adding two more new faces to that unit would not bode well.  I would keep Randle over Heath if I had to choose, Randle is all in, whereas Heath tends to only get involved in a play if he has to.  I've noted numerous times were he trots up on a "tackle in progress" and does not participate unless he has to.