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Title: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Jesse on December 01, 2017, 07:35:12 PM
A look at the upcoming FA QB prospects. There's going to be more movement at QBs than the Burris/Collaros/Willy year. I personally love the idea of Durant coming in as a back-up. The guy makes a lot of good points with the Lapo/Dressler connection.

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JEFF KREVER
CFL.CA
@JEFFKREVER

Welcome to the off-season.

Let me start by saying I expect to receive some heat for this (and I welcome it), but the point of this exercise is to have some fun and also open up a discussion on what?s going to happen before kickoff next June.

At first glance, the possibilities appear to be endless as this hurricane that is the 2018 CFL off-season continues to develop. It starts at the quarterback position, where three starters are currently without a contract past Feb. 13:


https://www.cfl.ca/2017/12/01/taking-spin-quarterback-carousel/


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 01, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
This article has Darian Durant as our backup QB in 2018. I'm not sure what to think about that!


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: bluengold204 on December 01, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
This article has Darian Durant as our backup QB in 2018. I'm not sure what to think about that!

Yeah I have spent a lot of banjo bowls cursing at him from the stands


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Jesse on December 01, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
This article has Darian Durant as our backup QB in 2018. I'm not sure what to think about that!

It?s brilliant!


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: limodriver on December 01, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
I expect Durant is going to want to start, or atleast see significant playing time.  He is not going to get that in Winnipeg.  I see they have us keeping Davis over Lefevour?  No way....  I would keep Lefevour simply for his short yardage play. 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2017, 08:32:05 PM
It's brilliant!

It is? Unless he's willing to take a reduced salary and a backup position, I don't really see him as a viable option.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_or_die on December 01, 2017, 08:32:57 PM
I expect Durant is going to want to start, or atleast see significant playing time.  He is not going to get that in Winnipeg.  I see they have us keeping Davis over Lefevour?  No way....  I would keep Lefevour simply for his short yardage play. 

And I expect he knows he's no longer starter material. He will play the Kevin Glenn role: an excellent, excellent backup.

I hated Durant for years and years because he was so good, with my most hated team. I would absolutely love Nichols-Durant-Lefevour. That's some sick QB depth with that amount of starting experience!


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 01, 2017, 08:41:20 PM
For the right price, I've got no issue with Durant being #2 here.  I thought what the Bombers were doing platooning Lefevour in for short yardage and then having him play the next down in hurry up was actually something I'd like to see on the regular.  Now imagine that scenario with Durant's arm.  QB sneak against the big boys for the first down, don't let the short yardage team off the field, and run a 30 yard passing play (provided we have the receivers to run those routes).


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 01, 2017, 08:42:21 PM
I expect Durant is going to want to start, or atleast see significant playing time.  He is not going to get that in Winnipeg.  I see they have us keeping Davis over Lefevour?  No way....  I would keep Lefevour simply for his short yardage play. 
hes not though!

Back up time if he wants???


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Jesse on December 01, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
I expect Durant is going to want to start, or atleast see significant playing time.  He is not going to get that in Winnipeg.  I see they have us keeping Davis over Lefevour?  No way....  I would keep Lefevour simply for his short yardage play. 

You so silly.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_or_die on December 01, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
For the right price, I've got no issue with Durant being #2 here.  I thought what the Bombers were doing platooning Lefevour in for short yardage and then having him play the next down in hurry up was actually something I'd like to see on the regular.  Now imagine that scenario with Durant's arm.  QB sneak against the big boys for the first down, don't let the short yardage team off the field, and run a 30 yard passing play (provided we have the receivers to run those routes).

That's true, with Durant here at number two he could play the role of Lefevour, except he would be able to complete a pass.

We could then get a blue chip #3 and take the time to develop him.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: the paw on December 01, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
And I expect he knows he's no longer starter material. He will play the Kevin Glenn role: an excellent, excellent backup.

I hated Durant for years and years because he was so good, with my most hated team. I would absolutely love Nichols-Durant-Lefevour. That's some sick QB depth with that amount of starting experience!

I don't agree, I think Durant still thinks of himself as a starter who just had a bad year.  If the Als release him, I think he is at a minimum going to want to go to a situation where he can compete to start.  I don't he settles for straight back-up money, I think his ego is still substantial.  

I think the odds are that the Als bring him back, but also sign another potential starter and let them duke it out.  The only other two options I see for him is (a) Hamilton if they fail to sign Masoli or Manziel, or (b) BC, where he could fill in for Lulay while he heals and be insurance in case Jennings makes an NFL run.  (I thought I read that Jennings was interested in working out for the NFL this off season, but this article doesn't seem to reflect that).


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2017, 08:52:12 PM
I don't agree, I think Durant still thinks of himself as a starter who just had a bad year.  If the Als release him, I think he is at a minimum going to want to go to a situation where he can compete to start.  I don't he settles for straight back-up money, I think his ego is still substantial.  

I couldn't agree more. He's a very proud person, even to be point of arrogant at times. I can't see him taking a backup position just like that.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Jesse on December 01, 2017, 09:02:14 PM
I couldn't agree more. He's a very proud person, even to be point of arrogant at times. I can't see him taking a backup position just like that.

Well, we?ll see how many starting positions are available after the musical chairs stop, but I don?t expect him to be signed as a starter anywhere, so it?ll depend on who has the best pitch for him as a back up.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_or_die on December 01, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
I don't agree, I think Durant still thinks of himself as a starter who just had a bad year.  If the Als release him, I think he is at a minimum going to want to go to a situation where he can compete to start.  I don't he settles for straight back-up money, I think his ego is still substantial.  

I think the odds are that the Als bring him back, but also sign another potential starter and let them duke it out.  The only other two options I see for him is (a) Hamilton if they fail to sign Masoli or Manziel, or (b) BC, where he could fill in for Lulay while he heals and be insurance in case Jennings makes an NFL run.  (I thought I read that Jennings was interested in working out for the NFL this off season, but this article doesn't seem to reflect that).

Guess we will have to wait and see where he signs and under what circumstances. Watching him this year it was glaringly obvious that he is done as a starter. If there's one person who doesn't think that, it's likely him. I'm not sure what team would pay him starters money.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: limodriver on December 01, 2017, 09:08:12 PM
If Durant agrees to a Number 2 role and salary, then he would be good here


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on December 01, 2017, 09:16:05 PM
For the right price, I've got no issue with Durant being #2 here.  I thought what the Bombers were doing platooning Lefevour in for short yardage and then having him play the next down in hurry up was actually something I'd like to see on the regular.  Now imagine that scenario with Durant's arm.  QB sneak against the big boys for the first down, don't let the short yardage team off the field, and run a 30 yard passing play (provided we have the receivers to run those routes).

If Durant were to start completeting 30 yard passss people would be calling for him to start.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Pigskin on December 01, 2017, 09:21:18 PM
He's had his day. He looked terrible most of this year. Keep spinning the carousel.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on December 01, 2017, 09:49:38 PM
As a backup QB with experienced backup QB money, he makes sense. There should be no delusions that he'd be coming to even compete to start.

If he wants that, then he should sign elsewhere, but where would that be? There's no West team where that would be happening. Montreal is moving on. Toronto? Not if RR is back. Ottawa? Hamilton?

I just don't see a landing spot for him in a starter's role. If he wants to play, it will be in a backup role.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 01, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Durant seems like he'd be a problem in the locker room.  Doesn't come across as a team player. 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on December 01, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
Durant seems like he'd be a problem in the locker room.  Doesn't come across as a team player. 

Must be a good problem since he has a ring.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 02, 2017, 12:58:56 AM
If Durant were to start completeting 30 yard passss people would be calling for him to start.

Uh, no. Just you. Same as always with your "Nichols is mediocre" narrative.

Durant's best days are behind him. He can't stay healthy, either.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blueandgoldguy on December 02, 2017, 12:59:59 AM
I don't agree, I think Durant still thinks of himself as a starter who just had a bad year.  If the Als release him, I think he is at a minimum going to want to go to a situation where he can compete to start.  I don't he settles for straight back-up money, I think his ego is still substantial.  

I think the odds are that the Als bring him back, but also sign another potential starter and let them duke it out.  The only other two options I see for him is (a) Hamilton if they fail to sign Masoli or Manziel, or (b) BC, where he could fill in for Lulay while he heals and be insurance in case Jennings makes an NFL run.  (I thought I read that Jennings was interested in working out for the NFL this off season, but this article doesn't seem to reflect that).

Durant will have to take a lower base salary next year.  There is no doubt about that.  i woudn't be surprised if it is 200 - 250,000.  He will make extra for games played.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on December 02, 2017, 01:18:59 AM
Uh, no. Just you. Same as always with your "Nichols is mediocre" narrative.

Durant's best days are behind him. He can't stay healthy, either.

I would agree about Durant.....but ya never know eh....jus pretend he is the back up next year....Matts leg gives out a bit early in the season.....Durant comes in and gets a couple starts and lights it up with some long TD passes to several different receivers.....in the red zone even......ya never know .....it might make an interesting season for us


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 02, 2017, 01:56:57 AM
I would agree about Durant.....but ya never know eh....jus pretend he is the back up next year....Matts leg gives out a bit early in the season.....Durant comes in and gets a couple starts and lights it up with some long TD passes to several different receivers.....in the red zone even......ya never know .....it might make an interesting season for us

It's been over 4 years since that happened. I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening, much less except the team to gamble on such a risky move.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on December 02, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
It's been over 4 years since that happened. I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening, much less except the team to gamble on such a risky move.

I am sure the team ain't gambling on it......An I think you got a word wrong in yer response....but again what if it happens eh....


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_or_die on December 02, 2017, 06:15:31 AM
I am sure the team ain't gambling on it......An I think you got a word wrong in yer response....but again what if it happens eh....

Cut Matt Nichols. It?s clear that Dominique Davis or anyone else is the answer.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on December 02, 2017, 03:06:54 PM
Cut Matt Nichols. It?s clear that Dominique Davis or anyone else is the answer.

27 years and no answer at all......so who really knows eh


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 02, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
I wouldn't sign Durant. Who ever signs him will pay starters pay for a backup . And he wont except backup roll , . . Another one is Glenn. Kind of similar in ways. But they should sign someone who has got experience .  I thought the last few quarterbacks they cut were pretty good in pre season. After Franklin and Collaros, the selection isn't that great.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: dd on December 02, 2017, 06:44:41 PM
I expect Durant is going to want to start, or atleast see significant playing time.  He is not going to get that in Winnipeg.  I see they have us keeping Davis over Lefevour?  No way....  I would keep Lefevour simply for his short yardage play. 
I expect that Durante will realize that when the gong show in Montreal doesn't want to go with him as their starter, this will be his wake up call that the only way he continues his career is as a backup , and he'd be a very good one at that. Right now, I see us or Ottawa as his only option, so I m thinking him coming here may actually play out


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 03, 2017, 02:33:46 AM
simply put no Durant please, similar issues as KG, no old men need apply in my books, while I would take Ray LOL


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: 66 Chevelle on December 03, 2017, 05:35:11 AM
so, what is considered starters pay for a QB versus back up pay? I honestly have no clue. I read where Nichol's deal is a 3 year deal and believed to be $400,000 yr 1 and up to $440,000 for year 3. Is this typical, higher, lower? With a SMS total of around $5.1M or so, that's a big chunk, I don't see how any team could swing paying 2 that amount.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 03, 2017, 07:23:48 AM
simply put no Durant please, similar issues as KG, no old men need apply in my books, while I would take Ray LOL

Similar, but different... one stat... I bolded it for you just in case you miss it...  and 3 years younger.  Not saying I'd like him here, but I'd prefer him to KG...

Durant

2? Grey Cup champion (2007, 2013)
CFL West All-Star    2009, 2013

Career stats
Passing completions    2,500
Passing attempts    4,001
Percentage    62.5
TD?INT    164?115
Passing yards    31,740


Glenn

CFL East All-Star (2007)

Career stats
Passing completions    4,068
Passing attempts    6,434
Percentage    63.22
TD?INT    294-207
Passing yards    52,867


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 03, 2017, 09:45:42 AM
so, what is considered starters pay for a QB versus back up pay? I honestly have no clue. I read where Nichol's deal is a 3 year deal and believed to be $400,000 yr 1 and up to $440,000 for year 3. Is this typical, higher, lower? With a SMS total of around $5.1M or so, that's a big chunk, I don't see how any team could swing paying 2 that amount.
A starting QB range is $400k-$550k. A backup would range from $100k-$200k, with possibly some extra money for games started. So guys like Lefevour/Davis would get on the lower end, and a guy like Tate or Lulay would be on the higher end (maybe not Tate anymore, but in Calgary he was up there).


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 03, 2017, 05:39:22 PM
27 years and no answer at all......so who really knows eh

Matt Nichols at QB is definitely an answer, as evidenced by his stats and the team's record since he became the starter here.

Now it's about addressing depth in key areas, including but not limited to QB.

Similar, but different... one stat... I bolded it for you just in case you miss it...  and 3 years younger.  Not saying I'd like him here, but I'd prefer him to KG...

Durant

2? Grey Cup champion (2007, 2013)
CFL West All-Star    2009, 2013

Career stats
Passing completions    2,500
Passing attempts    4,001
Percentage    62.5
TD?INT    164?115
Passing yards    31,740


Glenn

CFL East All-Star (2007)

Career stats
Passing completions    4,068
Passing attempts    6,434
Percentage    63.22
TD?INT    294-207
Passing yards    52,867


Using championships to further your anti-Glenn narrative is silly. Especially one in which Durant didn't even play. That's on par with Jovon Johnson bragging about his 2007 ring. Pathetic.

And FWIW, Glenn has been the far more productive QB in recent years than Durant.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: kkc60 on December 03, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
Similar, but different... one stat... I bolded it for you just in case you miss it...  and 3 years younger.  Not saying I'd like him here, but I'd prefer him to KG...

Durant

2? Grey Cup champion (2007, 2013)
CFL West All-Star    2009, 2013

Career stats
Passing completions    2,500
Passing attempts    4,001
Percentage    62.5
TD?INT    164?115
Passing yards    31,740


Glenn

CFL East All-Star (2007)

Career stats
Passing completions    4,068
Passing attempts    6,434
Percentage    63.22
TD?INT    294-207
Passing yards    52,867

With that logic, Dan Marino wasnt that good of a QB. We get it, you have an agenda vs Glenn. But quit.embarrassing yourself


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 03, 2017, 11:55:03 PM
With that logic, Dan Marino wasnt that good of a QB. We get it, you have an agenda vs Glenn. But quit.embarrassing yourself

My "agenda" against Glenn is he doesn't win big games.  He doesn't even win as many games as he loses.  So touting him as someone to come off the bench and win you games has never made any sense to me. 

There is a reason he has been on 8 of the 9 teams in the league and never stuck with one.  There is a reason he's "the leagues best insurance policy".  Insurance is a bet you never want to cash in on.

Durant, according to the CBC article written when he signed in Mtl has won 5 of the six games he's started in the post season.

Durant has a 58-54-1 record in 113 career regular-season starts and is 5-1 as a starter in playoff games.  Glenn is 3-7 in playoff games, including 1-2 with Calgary. 

Again, I don't want Durant, but he'd be a much better choice than Glenn...


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: GCn17 on December 04, 2017, 12:40:59 PM
My "agenda" against Glenn is he doesn't win big games.  He doesn't even win as many games as he loses.  So touting him as someone to come off the bench and win you games has never made any sense to me. 

There is a reason he has been on 8 of the 9 teams in the league and never stuck with one.  There is a reason he's "the leagues best insurance policy".  Insurance is a bet you never want to cash in on.

Durant, according to the CBC article written when he signed in Mtl has won 5 of the six games he's started in the post season.

Durant has a 58-54-1 record in 113 career regular-season starts and is 5-1 as a starter in playoff games.  Glenn is 3-7 in playoff games, including 1-2 with Calgary. 

Again, I don't want Durant, but he'd be a much better choice than Glenn...

Maybe...maybe not. Glenn is already proven to be a team player as a backup, brings no ego, and is quite likely the better QB right now.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: kkc60 on December 04, 2017, 12:49:36 PM
My "agenda" against Glenn is he doesn't win big games.  He doesn't even win as many games as he loses.  So touting him as someone to come off the bench and win you games has never made any sense to me. 

There is a reason he has been on 8 of the 9 teams in the league and never stuck with one.  There is a reason he's "the leagues best insurance policy".  Insurance is a bet you never want to cash in on.

Durant, according to the CBC article written when he signed in Mtl has won 5 of the six games he's started in the post season.

Durant has a 58-54-1 record in 113 career regular-season starts and is 5-1 as a starter in playoff games.  Glenn is 3-7 in playoff games, including 1-2 with Calgary. 

Again, I don't want Durant, but he'd be a much better choice than Glenn...
Durant has looked much worse this season than Glenn. I'm content with either, but regardless. And again, Glenns team won more playoff games than we did and beat us once this season, and almost beat us another time if it wasn't for a missed field goal


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 04, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
Durant has looked much worse this season than Glenn. I'm content with either, but regardless. And again, Glenns team won more playoff games than we did and beat us once this season, and almost beat us another time if it wasn't for a missed field goal

You do realize Durant was playing in Montreal this year, right?  I'm not sure Reilly would have looked good there. 

Glenn had arguably the best Rec corps to throw to, the same OC all year and yet consistently lost his job to Bridge...


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: GCn17 on December 04, 2017, 03:26:24 PM
You do realize Durant was playing in Montreal this year, right?  I'm not sure Reilly would have looked good there. 

Glenn had arguably the best Rec corps to throw to, the same OC all year and yet consistently lost his job to Bridge...

Glenn won a playoff game this year. Something no QB has done here since 2011. Your little hate on for Glenn just doesn't have any facts to support it. Admit you don't like him and it's a personal thing, and we will all respect that. Try to conjure up a 1000 straw man arguments to support your opinion and you will fool nobody here and no one will respect your opinion.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 04, 2017, 03:31:06 PM
I'd guess Kyle Walters isn't going into the off-season looking to fix problems he doesn't really have, one quick review of the game results and the performance of the QB trio would confirm that finding a replacement QB for any of the 3 is not going to be super high on his agenda.  Now if he wants to explore "what if" scenarios like Nichols going down for an entire season he may work himself into a tizzy deciding whether Glenn or Durant is a better fit with his club.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 04, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
Glenn won a playoff game this year. Something no QB has done here since 2011. Your little hate on for Glenn just doesn't have any facts to support it. Admit you don't like him and it's a personal thing, and we will all respect that. Try to conjure up a 1000 straw man arguments to support your opinion and you will fool nobody here and no one will respect your opinion.

Seriously?  Glenn won a playoff game this year?  Don't you mean Ottawa gave him a win?

Player            CP/AT    %          YDS    TD    INT    LG
 GLENN, Kevin   18/28    64.3%    252    1    0    44

He "won" the game?  252 yards passing.  With a potent rec. corps.  Harris had almost twice as many yards.  And Ott wasn't even a .500 team. 

You know how SSK won that game?  Glenn didn't Glenn.  He avoided tossing a untimely, soul crushing INTs.  That was the key to the win. 


The next game he played, against a .500 team... well...

Player           CP/AT    %          YDS    TD    INT    LG
BRIDGE, Brandon   11/21    52.4%    141    1    0    35
GLENN, Kevin   6/13           46.2%    87    0    3    28

He completes less than 50% of his attempts, tosses up 3 picks and gets pulled.


So, I understand how you want to have the ESF Glenn on your team.  I get it.  And keep focusing on when he has a good day.  But I DON'T want the EF Glenn on my team.  I'm not focusing on the bad Glenn, I'm saying that there is a downside to having a guy that has bad games, really bad games, when the stakes are highest.  3-7 (30%) as a starter in the playoffs.  NOT a big game performer.  What more FACTS do you need?  30% wins in big games.  FACT.  And actually pulled in more than one.

Coming off what many said was one of his best games in the ESF, he tosses up a pure turd in the EF.  Not what I'm looking for in a player.



Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 04, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Seriously?  Glenn won a playoff game this year?  Don't you mean Ottawa gave him a win?

I know you oddly hate the guy, but if you're going to pile up blame for the loss (rightfully so) then you also have to give him credit for the win. He had a decent game in Ottawa, no question about it.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 04, 2017, 04:42:56 PM
I know you oddly hate the guy, but if you're going to pile up blame for the loss (rightfully so) then you also have to give him credit for the win. He had a decent game in Ottawa, no question about it.

Exactly, he did get the win, and had a pretty much error free game.  While Ottawa crapped the bed.  Kudos to Glenn.

No problem at all if that was the only side to him.  If all he did was win, I'm his biggest fan.  Its the gut punch way he loses that I don't want to take as a fan.  The term "Glenn gonna Glenn" is not a complement.  The fact that he has a meme, well...

In the "what have you done for me lately" scenario, Glenn's latest performance is a soul wrenching 3 int performance. 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 04, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
Exactly, he did get the win, and had a pretty much error free game.  While Ottawa crapped the bed.  Kudos to Glenn.

No problem at all if that was the only side to him.  If all he did was win, I'm his biggest fan.  Its the gut punch way he loses that I don't want to take as a fan.  The term "Glenn gonna Glenn" is not a complement.  The fact that he has a meme, well...

In the "what have you done for me lately" scenario, Glenn's latest performance is a soul wrenching 3 int performance. 

Except, completely irrationally, you wouldn't even want him as a backup. And if 'all he did was win' he wouldn't be potentially available at all. If he's a backup next year, he'll be one of two or three that could realistically win you a playoff game. Where your extreme bias for the guy comes from I'll never know. He was run out of here by Mike Kelly and has bounced around the league since. He's never taken shots at the Bombers (or anyone really) even though Kelly's decision to cut him was probably one of the most disastrous in recent history and forced us to go with a glut of really terrible quarterbacks afterwards. He's not cocky, doesn't ruffle feathers and really, doesn't do anything besides go out there and give it his all. You really are an odd choice to be the captain of Glenn's hater club. You weren't even a fan of the Bombers for any of his heart-breaking Bomber losses.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: GCn17 on December 04, 2017, 05:29:53 PM
Except, completely irrationally, you wouldn't even want him as a backup. And if 'all he did was win' he wouldn't be potentially available at all. If he's a backup next year, he'll be one of two or three that could realistically win you a playoff game. Where your extreme bias for the guy comes from I'll never know. He was run out of here by Mike Kelly and has bounced around the league since. He's never taken shots at the Bombers (or anyone really) even though Kelly's decision to cut him was probably one of the most disastrous in recent history and forced us to go with a glut of really terrible quarterbacks afterwards. He's not cocky, doesn't ruffle feathers and really, doesn't do anything besides go out there and give it his all. You really are an odd choice to be the captain of Glenn's hater club. You weren't even a fan of the Bombers for any of his heart-breaking Bomber losses.

Irrational is the operative word. Glenn is not starting material. Wouldn't want him as my starter, but he is probably the best backup QB in the CFL over the last number of years. He gives any team a legit chance to win when their starter goes down. He is miles better than Dom or Dan as a number two. This nonsense of him stopping us from developing a QB is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 04, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
Except, completely irrationally, you wouldn't even want him as a backup. And if 'all he did was win' he wouldn't be potentially available at all. If he's a backup next year, he'll be one of two or three that could realistically win you a playoff game. Where your extreme bias for the guy comes from I'll never know. He was run out of here by Mike Kelly and has bounced around the league since. He's never taken shots at the Bombers (or anyone really) even though Kelly's decision to cut him was probably one of the most disastrous in recent history and forced us to go with a glut of really terrible quarterbacks afterwards. He's not cocky, doesn't ruffle feathers and really, doesn't do anything besides go out there and give it his all. You really are an odd choice to be the captain of Glenn's hater club. You weren't even a fan of the Bombers for any of his heart-breaking Bomber losses.

I don't need to have experienced his soul crushing play to not want to have to...  

He can have good days, granted.  But it seems to be 50/50, with no indication of getting better.  I'd rather spend less on a prospect who has potential do do better...  is that hared to understand?  Yes, Glenn can win a game.  But he's just as likely not to, unless its playoff time, in which case he's statistically a lot less likely to.  


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue girl on December 04, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
I'd guess Kyle Walters isn't going into the off-season looking to fix problems he doesn't really have, one quick review of the game results and the performance of the QB trio would confirm that finding a replacement QB for any of the 3 is not going to be super high on his agenda.  Now if he wants to explore "what if" scenarios like Nichols going down for an entire season he may work himself into a tizzy deciding whether Glenn or Durant is a better fit with his club.
I agree completely. QB is the least of this teams problems. Walters priorities should be a MLB and a deep threat receiver. However if he can get either Durant or Glenn (neither of whom I'm a big fan of), I say go for it. After 27 years of waiting for a championship I say that you do whatever you have to to win.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 04, 2017, 07:16:21 PM
Irrational is the operative word. Glenn is not starting material. Wouldn't want him as my starter, but he is probably the best backup QB in the CFL over the last number of years. He gives any team a legit chance to win when their starter goes down. He is miles better than Dom or Dan as a number two. This nonsense of him stopping us from developing a QB is ridiculous.

This. A thousand times this. Irrational is the perfect descriptor for the ongoing and tired narrative of one poster who despises Glenn but sure loves talking about him.

At his age, Glenn is a fine backup QB. His starting days are over, but he still has worth in a secondary role. I would've preferred him over either LeFevour or Davis this past season, neither of whom looked any good when given the opportunity. Davis looked like Willy 2.0 and LeFevour struggled with everything save run or jumbo package plays.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Blue72 on December 05, 2017, 05:04:39 PM
If the rumor is accurate that Franklin might go to BC than I would try to get Lulay out of BC, at 34 he is a lot better than Glenn or Durant. When he played this year and he still has the touch. He was injured but for a backup he is a lot better than what we have and if so than we could bring in a rookie 3rd string from TC. BC can't keep Franklin, Jennings and Lulay, plus the money that we are paying our two backups we could pay Lulay plus a rookie.
Unless they trade Jennings to Sask or Montreal, but Wally is known for finding QB's. If thy trade Jennings than they might keep Lulay as a vet backup to Franklin but might have to reduce his salary.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 05, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
If the rumor is accurate that Franklin might go to BC than I would try to get Lulay out of BC, at 34 he is a lot better than Glenn or Durant. When he played this year and he still has the touch. He was injured but for a backup he is a lot better than what we have and if so than we could bring in a rookie 3rd string from TC. BC can't keep Franklin, Jennings and Lulay, plus the money that we are paying our two backups we could pay Lulay plus a rookie.
Unless they trade Jennings to Sask or Montreal, but Wally is known for finding QB's. If thy trade Jennings than they might keep Lulay as a vet backup to Franklin but might have to reduce his salary.

If BC lands Franklin, I would suspect Jennings is the odd man out unless Lulay retires, as signing Franklin would effectively be saying the Jennings experiment is over.  I think the long game for Lulay in BC is a coaching position, so if he can still play they'd keep him around.  Wouldn't be surprised to see Jennings traded to Montreal or Toronto, as being under the tutelage of Trestman and Ray would be a good career move for him. 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: TBURGESS on December 05, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
I think it's Lulay who is done so, he'd be the QB that would be replaced. Not sure if Franklin wants to go head to head with Jennings or if they'd get rid of Jennings too. If so, I'd take Jennings over Lulay. Younger. Stronger. Faster. Way less injury issues. Still has some upside that isn't in the coaching ranks.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: bunker on December 05, 2017, 06:43:53 PM
Cannot see Franklin going to BC to compete against Jennings. He will go somewhere where he is the clear favourite to start.

I disagree that getting a competent backup is not a priority. Its like saying you don't need home insurance because fires are uncommon. If  Nichols goes down, we will struggle to win games with our current QBs.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 05, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
I think it's Lulay who is done so, he'd be the QB that would be replaced. Not sure if Franklin wants to go head to head with Jennings or if they'd get rid of Jennings too. If so, I'd take Jennings over Lulay. Younger. Stronger. Faster. Way less injury issues. Still has some upside that isn't in the coaching ranks.

Stick Jennings behind the Bomber O-line and re-program him not to force the ball into trouble spots and I think he would work out pretty well.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 05, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
Cannot see Franklin going to BC to compete against Jennings. He will go somewhere where he is the clear favourite to start.

I disagree that getting a competent backup is not a priority. Its like saying you don't need home insurance because fires are uncommon. If  Nichols goes down, we will struggle to win games with our current QBs.

Didn't Hervey bring Franklin into the league?  Jennings is Wally's boy.  I can see BC in the mix, sure.  But if they land Franklin, Jennings would be traded real quick.  Have to wonder how Jennings deal is constructed, if there is any roster bonus money and if it occurs before FA day. 



Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: booch on December 06, 2017, 07:23:47 PM
The way it may shape up after all is said and done and Franklin NFL aspirations are a reality and he gets a shot in a main camp, I can see pretty much every team staying status quo to be honest other than Zack. C in Hamilton coming free, and he will stay in the East I am almost certain...which leaves the Rider's trying to build on a year with Glenn and Bridge...ouch which looks like regression to me.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose Campbell on the O-line and Dennis refusing to take a pay cut and being let go..with a regressing Labatte and a crappy Dykowski and Clarke..oh baby things could get ugly there fast.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 06, 2017, 07:26:56 PM
The way it may shape up after all is said and done and Franklin NFL aspirations are a reality and he gets a shot in a main camp, I can see pretty much every team staying status quo to be honest other than Zack. C in Hamilton coming free, and he will stay in the East I am almost certain...which leaves the Rider's trying to build on a year with Glenn and Bridge...ouch which looks like regression to me.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose Campbell on the O-line and Green refusing to take a pay cut and being let go..with a regressing Labatte and a crappy Dykowski and Clarke..oh baby things could get ugly there fast.
By ?Green? do you mean Derek Dennis?  I read today he made $180k last season and is scheduled get an increase in 2018. Dunk reported in the same article that Stanley Bryant also made $180k last year.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 06, 2017, 07:44:51 PM
By ?Green? do you mean Derek Dennis?  I read today he made $180k last season and is scheduled get an increase in 2018. Dunk reported in the same article that Stanley Bryant also made $180k last year.
If Stanley gets a raise this year it's going to have implications along the line.  Hopefully they can resign Foketi to replace Bond as he's good insurance if their Cdn. content fails them.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: booch on December 06, 2017, 07:46:15 PM
By ?Green? do you mean Derek Dennis?  I read today he made $180k last season and is scheduled get an increase in 2018. Dunk reported in the same article that Stanley Bryant also made $180k last year.

Yeah Dennis...my bad


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 06, 2017, 07:50:58 PM
If Stanley gets a raise this year it's going to have implications along the line.  Hopefully they can resign Foketi to replace Bond as he's good insurance if their Cdn. content fails them.

Foketi is a tackle. If Foketi is as good as some people think, then possibly, you could make a case that the 27-year-old Foketi is a logical economic replacement for the 31-year-old Bryant without a significant drop-off in talent. I'm not saying that's true, but it could be a place we could look to save, especially considering Bryant might be one of the highest paid lineman in the league next year. If you can find a prospect to back-up Foketi and if Foketi really is good, it's an option. Those are two big if's at a crucial positon, though.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 06, 2017, 07:54:15 PM
Foketi is a tackle. If Foketi is as good as some people think, then possibly, you could make a case that the 27-year-old Foketi is a logical economic replacement for the 31-year-old Bryant without a significant drop-off in talent. I'm not saying that's true, but it could be a place we could look to save, especially considering Bryant might be one of the highest paid lineman in the league next year. If you can find a prospect to back-up Foketi and if Foketi really is good, it's an option. Those are two big if's at a crucial positon, though.

Correct, Foketi moves to RT and Hardrick moves to LG.  Stanley stays put.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Jesse on December 06, 2017, 07:56:15 PM
Foketi is a tackle. If Foketi is as good as some people think, then possibly, you could make a case that the 27-year-old Foketi is a logical economic replacement for the 31-year-old Bryant without a significant drop-off in talent. I'm not saying that's true, but it could be a place we could look to save, especially considering Bryant might be one of the highest paid lineman in the league next year. If you can find a prospect to back-up Foketi and if Foketi really is good, it's an option. Those are two big if's at a crucial positon, though.

I'm not sure if the place I want them to roll the dice is at LT. If we need to cut costs, there are other places to look at.

I would hope we do all we can to keep the OL as is.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 06, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
Correct, Foketi moves to RT and Hardrick moves to LG.  Stanley stays put.

Could be another option but I think we have too much Canadian talent along the interior to play Hardrick at guard. You can't keep those guys on the bench forever nor would you want to I wouldn't think.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 06, 2017, 08:08:15 PM
Could be another option but I think we have too much Canadian talent along the interior to play Hardrick at guard. You can't keep those guys on the bench forever nor would you want to I wouldn't think.

Agreed, but if Cdn. content fails, re-signing Foketi is good insurance.  Wouldn't be surprised if he moves on though, he's been waiting two years for his shot.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 06, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
Agreed, but if Cdn. content fails, re-signing Foketi is good insurance.  Wouldn't be surprised if he moves on though, he's been waiting two years for his shot.

I agree with you there. He'll go somewhere where we can play (or have a better chance of playing) if we resign Bryant this off-season.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue girl on December 06, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
I'm not sure if the place I want them to roll the dice is at LT. If we need to cut costs, there are other places to look at.

I would hope we do all we can to keep the OL as is.
I agree with you. We have to protect the QBs blindside. We definitely don't want to save money on the OL.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: GCn17 on December 06, 2017, 09:55:36 PM
Didn't Hervey bring Franklin into the league?  Jennings is Wally's boy.  I can see BC in the mix, sure.  But if they land Franklin, Jennings would be traded real quick.  Have to wonder how Jennings deal is constructed, if there is any roster bonus money and if it occurs before FA day. 



Jennings is a pending FA that has expressed interest, and reportedly has interest reciprocated, in the NFL.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 06, 2017, 11:41:51 PM
Jennings is a pending FA that has expressed interest, and reportedly has interest reciprocated, in the NFL.

At least two NFL teams have shown interest in Jennings: the Vikings and the Packers. (http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-lions-jonathon-jennings-nfl (http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-lions-jonathon-jennings-nfl))

Franklin ending up in BC isn't an unlikely scenario, especially now that Hervey is the GM.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 07, 2017, 02:54:23 AM
Jennings is a pending FA that has expressed interest, and reportedly has interest reciprocated, in the NFL.

Jennings is a pending FA?  Since when? 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: 66 Chevelle on December 07, 2017, 03:08:17 AM
As good as Franklin MAY be, he still hasn't proven such at the pro level for any real length of time, I think it will be hard for him to make an NFL team roster, unless it's the practice roster. I think he'd serve himself better if he played here in the CFL for at least 1, if not 2 years. As of now, it's all pretty much hype and nothing else. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think he'll be a great QB in the CFL, not so sure he would make it down south though. Here he is competing against 18, down there he is competing against essentially 64... Afterall, he didn't get any love in the draft but did sign a free agent deal with Detroit that lasted about 15 minutes...


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 07, 2017, 11:35:44 AM
Jennings is a pending FA?  Since when? 
Ya I don?t see Jennings on the CFL official list of pending free agents.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 07, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Jennings is a pending FA?  Since when? 

He isn't. He signed an extension through the 2018 season back in May last year. (https://www.bclions.com/2016/05/05/jennings-extension/ (https://www.bclions.com/2016/05/05/jennings-extension/))


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 07, 2017, 07:20:28 PM
As good as Franklin MAY be, he still hasn't proven such at the pro level for any real length of time, I think it will be hard for him to make an NFL team roster, unless it's the practice roster. I think he'd serve himself better if he played here in the CFL for at least 1, if not 2 years. As of now, it's all pretty much hype and nothing else. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think he'll be a great QB in the CFL, not so sure he would make it down south though. Here he is competing against 18, down there he is competing against essentially 64... Afterall, he didn't get any love in the draft but did sign a free agent deal with Detroit that lasted about 15 minutes...

This is just it. You know who else looked like 'the next one' and had great success as a back-up? Drew Willy. I'm not suggesting that Franklin is going to be a bust, but there's been plenty guys who looked like they were going to be great with a small sample size and were proven not to be.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Jesse on December 07, 2017, 07:36:03 PM
This is just it. You know who else looked like 'the next one' and had great success as a back-up? Drew Willy. I'm not suggesting that Franklin is going to be a bust, but there's been plenty guys who looked like they were going to be great with a small sample size and were proven not to be.

Meh. Drew Willy was never as highly thought of Franklin.

I'd say Mike Reilly would be a better example.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: the paw on December 07, 2017, 07:52:11 PM
He isn't. He signed an extension through the 2018 season back in May last year. (https://www.bclions.com/2016/05/05/jennings-extension/ (https://www.bclions.com/2016/05/05/jennings-extension/))

Wally also allowed both Elimimian and Bighill to test the NFL in the middle of a contract.  It?s possible he has permission to work out, and the team has agreed not to exercise their option if he gets an NF L off.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 12, 2017, 02:24:55 PM
From Herb:

More and more people in the #CFL believe #Als? next head coach will be Tommy Condell. He was interviewed again yesterday and is ?deeply involved? in the process, I?m told

And if the #Als hire Tommy Condell, it?s virtually certain he?ll bring QB Zach Collaros to Montreal


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Blue In BC on December 12, 2017, 02:29:33 PM
From Herb:

More and more people in the #CFL believe #Als? next head coach will be Tommy Condell. He was interviewed again yesterday and is ?deeply involved? in the process, I?m told

And if the #Als hire Tommy Condell, it?s virtually certain he?ll bring QB Zach Collaros to Montreal

Collaros's contract is a huge stumbling block. Having to trade to get it is another issue. He may end up in Montreal but it might be after being released in Hamilton. OTOH if the TiCats can't or don't sign Masoli or get Manziel to wander north, things may change.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: booch on December 12, 2017, 02:52:52 PM
The interesting part with this, the more the off-season rolls on it's looking like that if Condell does get Collaros to MTL if he becomes head coach, the Rider's gotta be shatting their pants a bit.

Can't see Bridge getting an extended look down south, but there is a chance he does and if he were to eventually re-up with Sask he may not be thee till after labor day (highly unlikely scenario tho)

But they could be going into 2018 with Glenn/Adams/Williams trifecta which isn't a recipe for success (one old rapidly regressing guy who you know can't get you there, Adam's whom I think is still years away and not sure he can be an answer and a total unknown in Williams) and the only other options of slugs like Willy..Durant..and 3rd string cast-offs kicking around....gotta be concerned over there.

If Bridge does re-sign and is the starter he will get solved pretty quick and will turn into a turn-over machine. I'm not sold on if he can read a defense that well, and his wing it style of play is never a successful attribute for a QB.

If I was him tho, and that looked like his only true option for a legit starting spot I would hold out and make the Rider's pay big...because they are going to be desperate and sadly going to need him...which in itself is scary to think


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on December 12, 2017, 02:55:37 PM
The interesting part with this, the more the off-season rolls on it's looking like that if Condell does get Collaros to MTL if he becomes head coach, the Rider's gotta be shatting their pants a bit.

Can't see Bridge getting an extended look down south, but there is a chance he does and if he were to eventually re-up with Sask he may not be thee till after labor day (highly unlikely scenario tho)

But they could be going into 2018 with Glenn/Adams/Williams trifecta which isn't a recipe for success (one old rapidly regressing guy who you know can't get you there, Adam's whom I think is still years away and not sure he can be an answer and a total unknown in Williams) and the only other options of slugs like Willy..Durant..and 3rd string cast-offs kicking around....gotta be concerned over there.

If Bridge does re-sign and is the starter he will get solved pretty quick and will turn into a turn-over machine. I'm not sold on if he can read a defense that well, and his wing it style of play is never a successful attribute for a QB.

If I was him tho, and that looked like his only true option for a legit starting spot I would hold out and make the Rider's pay big...because they are going to be desperate and sadly going to need him...which in itself is scary to think

Has Young rehabbed his injury?  Could he be in the mix? :0


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 12, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
The interesting part with this, the more the off-season rolls on it's looking like that if Condell does get Collaros to MTL if he becomes head coach, the Rider's gotta be shatting their pants a bit.

Can't see Bridge getting an extended look down south, but there is a chance he does and if he were to eventually re-up with Sask he may not be thee till after labor day (highly unlikely scenario tho)

But they could be going into 2018 with Glenn/Adams/Williams trifecta which isn't a recipe for success (one old rapidly regressing guy who you know can't get you there, Adam's whom I think is still years away and not sure he can be an answer and a total unknown in Williams) and the only other options of slugs like Willy..Durant..and 3rd string cast-offs kicking around....gotta be concerned over there.

If Bridge does re-sign and is the starter he will get solved pretty quick and will turn into a turn-over machine. I'm not sold on if he can read a defense that well, and his wing it style of play is never a successful attribute for a QB.

If I was him tho, and that looked like his only true option for a legit starting spot I would hold out and make the Rider's pay big...because they are going to be desperate and sadly going to need him...which in itself is scary to think
Maybe the Riders will sign Durant  :D


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: bluebeard on December 12, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
Maybe the Riders will sign Durant  :D

That bridge was burnt a long time ago.  I can see Jones Going with Bridge, Adams and Williams if they can not signed a veteran FA.  Williams had great credentials from NC and broke all of Durants records there.  Green......... but has the size, Arm strength and running ability to be decent if given an opportunity in the future.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 12, 2017, 09:17:25 PM
Maybe the Riders will sign Durant  :D

That'd be some serious egg on Jones' face if it came to that.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on December 13, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
Trevor Harris just signed a one year extension with Ottawa.

RT .@TSNDaveNaylor

Trevor Harris? new deal with the @REDBLACKS is for one year, in the mid 400k range, which puts him in the upper tier of QB salaries. #CFL #Redblacks


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: gbill2004 on January 12, 2018, 04:15:07 PM
Jonathon Jennings has agreed to a restructured contract with #BCLions. Still a 1 year deal, more incentive driven. Will give the club more cap flexibility to provide him with an improved O-line. @CFLonTSN @cfl


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 12, 2018, 05:48:33 PM
Jonathon Jennings has agreed to a restructured contract with #BCLions. Still a 1 year deal, more incentive driven. Will give the club more cap flexibility to provide him with an improved O-line. @CFLonTSN @cfl

That's a good move by the Lions. Jennings is a good QB and I can't see him not being successful in the future.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: the paw on January 12, 2018, 06:24:40 PM
Jonathon Jennings has agreed to a restructured contract with #BCLions. Still a 1 year deal, more incentive driven. Will give the club more cap flexibility to provide him with an improved O-line. @CFLonTSN @cfl

I don't get this.  The are welching on paying their starter $300k.  How viable can their SMS situation be?

Every other team is paying their starter in the neighbourhood of $400k plus.  Fine, you lowball him this year based on "performance" and spend the difference on the o-line.  If it works and then he puts up numbers, you can't afford the o-linemen you just signed.  And if it doesn't work, you have to cut guys to go out and get another QB in free agency. 

They must be expecting the CBA re-work after 2018 to be significant. 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: GCn17 on January 12, 2018, 07:33:58 PM
I don't get this.  The are welching on paying their starter $300k.  How viable can their SMS situation be?

Every other team is paying their starter in the neighbourhood of $400k plus.  Fine, you lowball him this year based on "performance" and spend the difference on the o-line.  If it works and then he puts up numbers, you can't afford the o-linemen you just signed.  And if it doesn't work, you have to cut guys to go out and get another QB in free agency. 

They must be expecting the CBA re-work after 2018 to be significant. 

I don't know, they may simply want to leave some cap space open for a FA QB next year while giving him one more chance now.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2018, 07:35:25 PM
I don't get this.  The are welching on paying their starter $300k.  How viable can their SMS situation be?

Every other team is paying their starter in the neighborhood of $400k plus.  Fine, you lowball him this year based on "performance" and spend the difference on the o-line.  If it works and then he puts up numbers, you can't afford the o-linemen you just signed.  And if it doesn't work, you have to cut guys to go out and get another QB in free agency. 

They must be expecting the CBA re-work after 2018 to be significant. 

I don't think of it as a welshing, but a normalization... he was under contract on an ELC when he earned the starting spot, and then he held Buono up at gunpoint for a new deal, which he really did not earn.  So now its Buono's turn, and he is getting an adjustment back to where his play will more match his performance.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
David William Naylor‏Verified account @TSNDaveNaylor

The @MTLAlouettes have signed former NFL quarterback Josh Freeman to a 2-year contract. #CFL #Als



So, if anyone was wondering if the Als would release DD before Monday....


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: bunker on January 12, 2018, 10:33:03 PM
I don't get this.  The are welching on paying their starter $300k.  How viable can their SMS situation be?

Every other team is paying their starter in the neighbourhood of $400k plus.  Fine, you lowball him this year based on "performance" and spend the difference on the o-line.  If it works and then he puts up numbers, you can't afford the o-linemen you just signed.  And if it doesn't work, you have to cut guys to go out and get another QB in free agency. 

They must be expecting the CBA re-work after 2018 to be significant. 

Just an opinion: 

I don't think Wally is sold on him anymore as a definite starting QB in the CFL, but is willing to see if he can progress. The salary reflects this. He wants money freed up to get a viable #2, (also presumably with an incentive driven contract, so they to some extent cancel each other out in terms of added payments) with any left over being used to improve the roster.

Jennings has all the tools below the shoulders, but I'm not sure he has what it takes in terms of decision making.



Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Blue In BC on January 12, 2018, 10:46:16 PM
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So, if anyone was wondering if the Als would release DD before Monday....


Ok, now we'll play follow the QB and see where he ends up.

Lulay is a potential free agent in Vancouver and some have wondered whether he'll retire due to his injury history.

Could Wally have any interest in Durant or even Willy once he hits free agency?


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: the paw on January 12, 2018, 10:52:53 PM
Just an opinion: 

I don't think Wally is sold on him anymore as a definite starting QB in the CFL, but is willing to see if he can progress. The salary reflects this. He wants money freed up to get a viable #2, (also presumably with an incentive driven contract, so they to some extent cancel each other out in terms of added payments) with any left over being used to improve the roster.

Jennings has all the tools below the shoulders, but I'm not sure he has what it takes in terms of decision making.



there is a logic to what you say, except (a) it isn't Wally who is doing this, it's Hervey, and (b) they are talking about spending the savings on o-linemen to increase protection.

If I was BC GM, I would do it the way you suggest, but that isn't what the article is saying.  I guess they could be just blowing smoke and platitudes, but why not just say it plain.....?


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2018, 10:56:52 PM
Ok, now we'll play follow the QB and see where he ends up.

Lulay is a potential free agent in Vancouver and some have wondered whether he'll retire due to his injury history.

Could Wally have any interest in Durant or even Willy once he hits free agency?

Does Lulay have a relationship with Buck?  Nichols/Lulay/Davis is a pretty good group...


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: bunker on January 12, 2018, 11:26:52 PM
there is a logic to what you say, except (a) it isn't Wally who is doing this, it's Hervey, and (b) they are talking about spending the savings on o-linemen to increase protection.

If I was BC GM, I would do it the way you suggest, but that isn't what the article is saying.  I guess they could be just blowing smoke and platitudes, but why not just say it plain.....?
I stand corrected. Writing "Wally" when talking about BC is a conditioned response with me already. I'm sure Hervey was involved in the decision, but I'm sure Wally's opinion about what Jennings was worth was central to the restructuring.

And, again, just an opinion, but I call BS on Hervey's explanation. He can't very well say that Jennings did not earn his salary, and there are doubts about him going forward. Every team in the league would like to free up salary to retain/improve their O-line, but I don't see any that are happy with their starting QB restructuring their contracts.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: pjrocksmb on January 13, 2018, 01:17:02 AM
Does Lulay have a relationship with Buck?  Nichols/Lulay/Davis is a pretty good group...


While Lulay showed promise last year he is not a good option for us for anything but short term. 


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 13, 2018, 01:57:06 AM
Does Lulay have a relationship with Buck?  Nichols/Lulay/Davis is a pretty good group...

Yeah, an aging, injury prone QB who likes to scramble while leading with his ground chuck shoulder seems like a great option behind Nichols.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: theaardvark on January 13, 2018, 02:37:23 AM
While Lulay showed promise last year he is not a good option for us for anything but short term. 

Much rather have a short term answer in Lulay than Glenn...


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: kkc60 on January 13, 2018, 06:10:35 AM
While Lulay showed promise last year he is not a good option for us for anything but short term. 
We are a short term team. Most of our studs on both sides of the ball are approaching 30 or at 30. We can't afford to burn another season because of bad depth and roster management. We need a guy who can come in and win us football games if Nichols is out for any period of time, because hoping Davis will pan out or hoping our scouting department actually finds a decent QB is too risky. A short term backup with a younger project #3 or PR QB is a very good formula for both short and long term success. Forcing a younger QB or rookie into the #2 role and killing their confidence along with potentially stunting their development is failure on all fronts


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Blue In BC on January 13, 2018, 02:05:14 PM
Much rather have a short term answer in Lulay than Glenn...

Lulay is a better QB than Glenn if he stays healthy. He does have a relationship with Buck but he also has one with Reilly.

The Lions haven't seemed to have been in any hurry to re-sign him but that may change now that Jennings has a new lower cost deal.

Or Lulay might be asked to re-negotiate as well.

Much could depend on where Durant ends up if he doesn't take a cut in Montreal? Domino's, Domino's.

Hmmm. I have a craving for pizza all of a sudden.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on January 13, 2018, 09:58:15 PM
I got a question.....at around just over the half way mark of last season I started questioning our #2 QB scenario, I was asking how we were set for a back up(just in case of course), and I was basically told to forget about it......that Matt was our number one and you ride yer number one all the way !............now this thread is making me wonder why the #2 spot is so important all of a sudden ?


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_or_die on January 13, 2018, 10:03:02 PM
I got a question.....at around just over the half way mark of last season I started questioning our #2 QB scenario, I was asking how we were set for a back up(just in case of course), and I was basically told to forget about it......that Matt was our number one and you ride yer number one all the way !............now this thread is making me wonder why the #2 spot is so important all of a sudden ?

You were told that because to get an answer like, "Matt is our number one and you ride him all the way", you must have been insinuating that we ought to replace our number one QB, Matt Nichols, with someone else, which would have been an awful idea.

Number 2 is important in case your number 1 goes down and you have to rely on the backup to win a significant amount of games in relief.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Tehedra on January 13, 2018, 10:11:45 PM
You were told that because to get an answer like, "Matt is our number one and you ride him all the way", you must have been insinuating that we ought to replace our number one QB, Matt Nichols, with someone else, which would have been an awful idea.

Number 2 is important in case your number 1 goes down and you have to rely on the backup to win a significant amount of games in relief.

As well, you still don't expect your number two will win the big show; the expectation is they will win a significant amount of games in relief until your starter is back from injury. You still always hope that your starter will be there when the lights come on in the finals because they give you the best chance of success.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on January 13, 2018, 11:07:11 PM
As well, you still don't expect your number two will win the big show; the expectation is they will win a significant amount of games in relief until your starter is back from injury. You still always hope that your starter will be there when the lights come on in the finals because they give you the best chance of success.


This

Not only that but take in acount the expearence Glenn brings in to work with the #3 guy.

You have Buck, Nic and Glenn to work with ur #3 guy. Thats some really good guys to work with.

Regardless of Glenns record in big games his over all expearence is something to tap into.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on January 14, 2018, 12:20:23 AM
You were told that because to get an answer like, "Matt is our number one and you ride him all the way", you must have been insinuating that we ought to replace our number one QB, Matt Nichols, with someone else, which would have been an awful idea.

Number 2 is important in case your number 1 goes down and you have to rely on the backup to win a significant amount of games in relief.

K, I gotta learn how to make my questions or comments not sound insinuating. I was seriously wondering what we had for a back up because I thought we were gonna make the playoffs and had a decent chance.....then naturally you wonder what ya got for a back up.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: kkc60 on January 14, 2018, 01:17:40 AM
K, I gotta learn how to make my questions or comments not sound insinuating. I was seriously wondering what we had for a back up because I thought we were gonna make the playoffs and had a decent chance.....then naturally you wonder what ya got for a back up.
It's easy. Don't bring up Nichols if you are asking about backup QBs. And don't compare Nichols to our current or potential backup QBs


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: dd on January 14, 2018, 01:53:43 AM
IF Lulay leaves BC ,and since Herveys there, I would, I think he goes to Edmonton and plays alongside his good friend Mike Reilly, he would enjoy himself and the game much better, Edmonton is the better team/better chance of winning, and I think they would be the CFLs dynamic duo.


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: NorthernSkunk on January 14, 2018, 02:53:50 AM
It's easy. Don't bring up Nichols if you are asking about backup QBs. And don't compare Nichols to our current or potential backup QBs

....why not ? ......who else can I compare the #1 QB to other than the #2 QB of the team ?....or a potential QB of the team ....An naturally Nichols may be a part of the reason for even doing that...lol

Hey I hear harlequin an the headpins are coming to the peg eh......lol


Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: Blue In BC on January 15, 2018, 08:15:28 PM
Ok. Glenn signs with Esks. That's leaving the possible CFL vets that are or might be available shorter by the day.

We might hear if Durant restructures or is released by tomorrow. Where he ends up maybe a week later? Just a feeling that he ends up in BC and Lulay retires or actually hits free agency.



Title: Re: Taking a spin on the QB Carousel
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 16, 2018, 12:26:20 AM
Durant is officially a free agent: https://www.tsn.ca/qb-durant-cut-by-alouettes-1.968785 (https://www.tsn.ca/qb-durant-cut-by-alouettes-1.968785)