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Title: NFL Discussion
Post by: ModAdmin on September 07, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
In the interest of keeping discussions specific to the NFL in one place, please use this thread for NFL opinions/views.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
I thought maybe a place to talk NFL is a good idea for those that follow the league and enjoy it - and also for those who like fantasy football. Seems to work great for the NHL and Jets threads.

A really great NFL season preview is here: https://www.sbnation.com/a/nfl-preview-2017

Some interesting predictions from that piece:

MVP? Dak Prescott. The Cowboys have all the pieces to be a juggernaut on offense again, but they?ll likely have to do without Ezekiel Elliott for a significant chunk of the season. If Prescott can be even better in his second season than he was as a rookie, and keep Dallas on track without Elliott, he could get the honor.

Most improved? Jared Goff. Expectations are low for Goff after his poor rookie season, but he was a No. 1 pick for a reason and his slow transition to the NFL was to be expected for an Air Raid quarterback. Now he has new tools to work with like Sammy Watkins and Gerald Everett in 2017.

Top Rookie? Dalvin Cook. The Vikings are going to need the running game to be strong this season, and the offensive line should be fine, injuries pending. Cook can ball.

First to be fired?
Todd Bowles. The Jets are in full-blown rebuild mode, and there?s very little reason to be optimistic that they can be competitive this year. Bowles? seat is so hot that it?s very nearly on fire.

Hope it's a good kickoff tonight! Is Tom getting too old?!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 07, 2017, 05:10:11 PM
It's like a old friend returning the NFL is to me.

I'm in a suicide pool and took the Falcons to beat the Bears.

I'm a huge Brady fan and he's gonna kick some more butt for the GOAT

Great game tonight Tyreek Hill should be fun to see as well

 Vikings VS Saints is intriguing as well.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2017, 05:20:44 PM
It's like a old friend returning the NFL is to me.

I'm in a suicide pool and took the Falcons to beat the Bears.

I'm a huge Brady fan and he's gonna kick some more butt for the GOAT

Great game tonight Tyreek Hill should be fun to see as well

 Vikings VS Saints is intriguing as well.


Nice! I always find the first few weeks of the survivor pool the hardest! Who's playing the Jets this week :P That's who I'd pick...lol.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on September 07, 2017, 05:51:19 PM
Attended my first ever game last year (Cowboys@Vikings), and those Vikings colour rush jerseys won me over. I've never really had a team when it comes to the NFL but I think I'm going to adopt the Vikings. I've loved Diggs since his first game in the NFL. Super exciting player to watch.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on September 07, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
Fond memories last year of hitting up Buffalo Wild Wings and watching a game Sundays last year when I lived in Pats Country. I shall do the same this year only with a slight hit to wing sauce flavour quantity :P :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2017, 08:02:05 PM
Fond memories last year of hitting up Buffalo Wild Wings and watching a game Sundays last year when I lived in Pats Country. I shall do the same this year only with a slight hit to wing sauce flavour quantity :P :D

Nice! Were you able to get close to the stadium on gameday and take in the atmosphere?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 07, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
Nice! I always find the first few weeks of the survivor pool the hardest! Who's playing the Jets this week :P That's who I'd pick...lol.
bills


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 07, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
Can't believe it's already that time of year... again!

Should be another exciting NFL season and a great game to kick it off tonight.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 07, 2017, 09:53:49 PM
MVP? Rogers

Rookie? Deshawn Watson

Improved? Cam Newton

Coach fired? Doug Marrone

SB Cowboys VS Patriots

Champion Patriots


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 08, 2017, 12:14:59 PM
Kareeeeem Hunt - whooooo!!  over 40 fantasy points!

Let's see how much Big Ben has left in him...

noticed the NFL refs (now full time) missed a blatant PI call last night...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 08, 2017, 12:17:40 PM
Kareeeeem Hunt - whooooo!!  over 40 fantasy points!

Let's see how much Big Ben has left in him...

noticed the NFL refs (now full time) missed a blatant PI call last night...

...I think I might be in trouble week 1.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 08, 2017, 12:26:22 PM
...I think I might be in trouble week 1.

The streak could be alive...we shall see - anything can happen.  Thought Cooks would get more points - Brady and him were off all night.  Apart from Hunt my RB's are really weak...just terrible actually.  These RB by committee teams are brutal for fantasy football.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 08, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
The streak could be alive...we shall see - anything can happen.  Thought Cooks would get more points - Brady and him were off all night.  Apart from Hunt my RB's are really weak...just terrible actually.  These RB by committee teams are brutal for fantasy football.

Tom and the offence didn't look very good last night despite the hot start. He still looks like he has the arm, but if he has to rely on all those deep shots down the sideline than I think the Patriots can be defended this year. That's not really his game and it showed last night. The defence looked even worse. Which, I guess injuries can somewhat explain away but injuries happen and I doubt they're going to get a ton healthy over the course of 16 games. Awful break for Eric Berry. He's tough not to cheer for.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on September 08, 2017, 03:24:09 PM
Nice! Were you able to get close to the stadium on gameday and take in the atmosphere?

Unfortunately no, getting tickets wasn't in the cards for my time there. And while it would have been fun to go some place around the stadium, we weren't up to facing the horrible traffic for hours just for wings :P


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 08, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
I'm can I re pick my SB pick? LOL

Pats decimated with injuries

What a gloriously entertaining game last night. Wow. That rookie running back from KC is truly remarkable. What a talent and  Alex Smith look sharp as ever. All time first game yards from scrimmage record!

This is why I love the NFL so


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 08, 2017, 08:21:46 PM
Tom and the offence didn't look very good last night despite the hot start. He still looks like he has the arm, but if he has to rely on all those deep shots down the sideline than I think the Patriots can be defended this year. That's not really his game and it showed last night. The defence looked even worse. Which, I guess injuries can somewhat explain away but injuries happen and I doubt they're going to get a ton healthy over the course of 16 games. Awful break for Eric Berry. He's tough not to cheer for.

Offense is really missing Edelman. Tough night for the Pats across the board, but especially on D. Honestly, they looked like the Bombers on the defensive side of the ball. :-\

Terrible news re: Eric Berry. He's a beauty and a leader on the Chiefs.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 08, 2017, 11:48:55 PM
Offense is really missing Edelman. Tough night for the Pats across the board, but especially on D. Honestly, they looked like the Bombers on the defensive side of the ball. :-\

Terrible news re: Eric Berry. He's a beauty and a leader on the Chiefs.

Very sad re: Berry he's a joy to watch play the game.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jersey on September 09, 2017, 03:48:53 AM
2 more days till GO PACK GO!!!



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 11, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
well the slate of games so far has been a bit dull...looks a lot like week 1 of most pro sports...QB's and receivers not fully connected...officials blowing calls (no it's not just the CFL that has problems).

Still fun to have NFL football back as a viewing option on the weekend.

@Sir Blue and Gold - can't lock up the victory yet, big game for Bradford tonight and you could steal the victory.  Scoring was way down...Poor sucker who started Andy Dalton this week...hahahahahahaha


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 11, 2017, 12:35:54 PM
well the slate of games so far has been a bit dull...looks a lot like week 1 of most pro sports...QB's and receivers not fully connected...officials blowing calls (no it's not just the CFL that has problems).

Still fun to have NFL football back as a viewing option on the weekend.

@Sir Blue and Gold - can't lock up the victory yet, big game for Bradford tonight and you could steal the victory.  Scoring was way down...Poor sucker who started Andy Dalton this week...hahahahahahaha

What an odd week. Bradford for over 26 points tonight? Normally I'd say no chance but the whole week's been so weird that who knows?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 11, 2017, 05:08:12 PM
Bighill will be playing tonight...hoping he gets a sack or two on Bradford...

http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163 (http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 11, 2017, 05:10:00 PM
Bighill will be playing tonight...hoping he gets a sack or two on Bradford...

http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163 (http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163)

That's cool -- thanks for the heads-up. I'll watch for him.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2017, 05:22:08 PM
Bighill will be playing tonight...hoping he gets a sack or two on Bradford...

http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163 (http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163)

Impressive. Good for him! Big game for the Saints tonight, too.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 11, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
Looking forward to seeing AP run against the Vikings too. That has the potential to be fun all night long, even though the Saints won't run a ton.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: jets4life on September 11, 2017, 11:41:19 PM
Who will lead in attendance this year....the Chargers, Rams, or Bombers?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2017, 11:51:45 PM
The Saints look brutal.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 12, 2017, 12:22:54 AM
Looking forward to seeing AP run against the Vikings too. That has the potential to be fun all night long, even though the Saints won't run a ton.

Fun for you...my hopes may be on old man Antonio Gates...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 12, 2017, 01:17:45 AM
Fun for you...my hopes may be on old man Antonio Gates...

Haha! He's gotta be good for a few yards and the win for you! ...Unless he fumbles and pulls a hamstring on his first catch.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 12, 2017, 01:20:40 AM
Haha! He's gotta be good for a few yards and the win for you! ...Unless he fumbles and pulls a hamstring on his first catch.

We shall see - he isn't the main TE though....he is chasing some record though so maybe they will feed him.


So tense!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 12, 2017, 12:46:26 PM
We shall see - he isn't the main TE though....he is chasing some record though so maybe they will feed him.


So tense!!

Two catches. Bah! Good game!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 12, 2017, 01:02:25 PM
i actually stayed up to the watch...thought he was getting skunked...Bradford made it interesting - good call picking him up!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 12, 2017, 01:38:01 PM
i actually stayed up to the watch...thought he was getting skunked...Bradford made it interesting - good call picking him up!

Hilariously, Bradford looks like he's a premier quarterback all of a sudden. I guess an offensive line helps. I wonder how much noise the Vikings can make this year? They have the defense and now it looks like their offense is at least decent.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 12, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Hilariously, Bradford looks like he's a premier quarterback all of a sudden. I guess an offensive line helps. I wonder how much noise the Vikings can make this year? They have the defense and now it looks like their offense is at least decent.

I like the Vikings..hope they do well BUT they started hot last season and faded big time down the stretch.  New Orleans had and still has one of the worst defences in the league.

It's just week 1 - but how exciting would a playoff push be in Minnesota with the super bowl being there??


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
Bighill will be playing tonight...hoping he gets a sack or two on Bradford...

http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163 (http://www.tsn.ca/former-lions-lb-bighill-promoted-to-saints-lineup-1.853163)

1 game demoted to practise roster


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 13, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
1 game demoted to practise roster

Did he even see action on Monday? He didn't record a single stat.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2017, 06:15:24 PM
Did he even see action on Monday? He didn't record a single stat.

Apparently ST cover units only

Came up empty


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on September 13, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
I like the Vikings..hope they do well BUT they started hot last season and faded big time down the stretch.  New Orleans had and still has one of the worst defences in the league.

It's just week 1 - but how exciting would a playoff push be in Minnesota with the super bowl being there??

I'm not sure faded is the best term to use, they were unprecedentedly devastated by injuries at OL last season. Hard to overcome that.

I'm excited for this season. I don't think NO's D is as bad as it was last year, I think the Vikings just made it look so.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 14, 2017, 01:50:11 AM
I'm not sure faded is the best term to use, they were unprecedentedly devastated by injuries at OL last season. Hard to overcome that.

I'm excited for this season. I don't think NO's D is as bad as it was last year, I think the Vikings just made it look so.

Well they did their best but couldn't overcome the injury challenges - teams kind of figured them out too...they should be better this season with Cook and Theilin having a year under his belt.  Pittsburgh has a better defensive front so this will be a better test for them. 

I think NO is really that bad. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 14, 2017, 04:23:27 PM
Battle of the severe under proformers tonight Texans VS Bungels

I am looking forward to seeing Deshawn Watson though.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 15, 2017, 02:24:11 AM
Dalton and the bungles are terrible...useless and I love it!!


Watson looks like a Randall Cunningham out there.

Kind of a snoozer.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
Dalton and the bungles are terrible...useless and I love it!!


Watson looks like a Randall Cunningham out there.

Kind of a snoozer.



Did you watch it? Couldn't bring myself to sit through that one. Both of those teams are awful this year.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 15, 2017, 01:28:07 PM
Not the whole thing.  It was on while I did other stuff around the house - fixed a screen door etc.  Did see Watson's run live which was exciting....watched the very end in case of a comeback - pretty dull.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
Not the whole thing.  It was on while I did other stuff around the house - fixed a screen door etc.  Did see Watson's run live which was exciting....watched the very end in case of a comeback - pretty dull.



I looked at the stats and those teams combined for only a 25% 3rd down conversation rate. I'm assuming the punters are sore today.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on September 15, 2017, 02:36:09 PM
Great game for a spotlight on Thursday night.  Makes the CFL so much more attractive to viewers...  Thanks NFL.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 15, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/report-colts-to-switch-to-brissett-at-qb-1.857512 (http://www.tsn.ca/report-colts-to-switch-to-brissett-at-qb-1.857512)

Quote
Less than three weeks after trading for him, the Indianapolis Colts plan to start Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, according to a report from NFL Network's Ian Rapoport.

Sources: The #Colts are planning on starting QB Jacoby Brissett on Sunday vs. #AZCardinals. Former starter Scott Tolzien goes to the bench.

- Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) September 15, 2017


The Colts acquired Brissett from the New England Patriots for receiver Phillip Dorsett earlier this month. Brissett played behind Scott Tolzien in Indy's Week 1 loss to the Los Angeles Rams, but still saw some action, finishing 2/3 for 51 yards. Tolzien was 9/18 for 128 yards and two interceptions in the loss.

The Colts are hoping to have star quarterback Andrew Luck back sooner than later, but reports suggest he could still be at least a couple weeks away.

Brissett showed some promise in limited action for the Patriots last year, finishing 34/55 for 400 yards.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Does Andrew Luck ever play football anymore?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on September 15, 2017, 06:22:22 PM
Did you watch it? Couldn't bring myself to sit through that one. Both of those teams are awful this year.

I watched it because I'm a Bengals fan and I rarely get to see their games on TV. However, what a terribly played game. Watching Watson make his first start was more entertaining than seeing my team play. This is most unwatchable they've been since before they drafted Carson Palmer.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 15, 2017, 11:47:10 PM
I watched it because I'm a Bengals fan and I rarely get to see their games on TV. However, what a terribly played game. Watching Watson make his first start was more entertaining than seeing my team play. This is most unwatchable they've been since before they drafted Carson Palmer.

The game sucked but Watson was worth it. Dalton looks useless.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on September 16, 2017, 09:40:18 AM
Bengals OC Ken Zampese got fired yesterday.  Only choice Marvin Lewis had in order to save his job.  If Lazor can`t turn their offense around quickly, Lewis will be gone sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/jones-denies-impeding-goodell-extension-1.859490 (http://www.tsn.ca/jones-denies-impeding-goodell-extension-1.859490)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 18, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/jones-denies-impeding-goodell-extension-1.859490 (http://www.tsn.ca/jones-denies-impeding-goodell-extension-1.859490)

Jerry Jones all upset about Ezekial. Of course he's making it tough for Roger. Somebody probably leaked the story to force Jerry Jones to get the deal done.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 18, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
how about Zeke quitting on his team yesterday...if you haven't seem the clip it is easy enough to find...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 18, 2017, 04:37:32 PM
how about Zeke quitting on his team yesterday...if you haven't seem the clip it is easy enough to find...

Where he just stood there after the interception with his hands on his hips? Hilarious. Dallas looks like a different team if they can't run the ball for 5 yards on first down.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 18, 2017, 04:43:29 PM
Where he just stood there after the interception with his hands on his hips? Hilarious. Dallas looks like a different team if they can't run the ball for 5 yards on first down.

That's the one....huge no-no at any level of sports, you gotta make an effort...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 21, 2017, 07:30:54 PM
Attorney: Tests show Aaron Hernandez had CTE

Aaron Hernandez, the former NFL star who took his life while serving a murder sentence in prison, had chronic traumatic encephalopathy -- commonly known as CTE -- attorney Jose Baez said Thursday. Baez cited study results compiled by the Boston University CTE Center, which examined Hernandez's brain for the neurodegenerative brain disease.

Developing story - more to come

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/21/health/aaron-hernandez-cte/index.html


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 26, 2017, 02:18:14 PM
Darren Sproles tore his ACL and broke his arm on the same play. Did anyone else see that? What kinda luck is that. Probably it for him and he's considered retiring in the past and he's well into his 30s.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20814108/darren-sproles-philadelphia-eagles-broke-arm-tore-acl-one-play


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on September 26, 2017, 02:48:59 PM
Darren Sproles tore his ACL and broke his arm on the same play. Did anyone else see that? What kinda luck is that. Probably it for him and he's considered retiring in the past and he's well into his 30s.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20814108/darren-sproles-philadelphia-eagles-broke-arm-tore-acl-one-play

Saw that it happened but not the play itself. Brutal


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 26, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
Sproles has added so much excitement to the NFL during his playing time...this could be it for him, tough road rehabbing two major injuries.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 29, 2017, 02:35:57 AM
One of the worst hits to the head you will see just happened in the packers / bears games.  Poor Davonte Adams was just knocked cold.  Brutal. 


https://deadspin.com/davante-adams-carted-off-field-after-brutal-hit-to-the-1818982789?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow (https://deadspin.com/davante-adams-carted-off-field-after-brutal-hit-to-the-1818982789?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 29, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/report-trevathan-hit-to-be-reviewed-by-nfl-1.870797 (http://www.tsn.ca/report-trevathan-hit-to-be-reviewed-by-nfl-1.870797)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on September 29, 2017, 01:30:26 PM
One of the worst hits to the head you will see just happened in the packers / bears games.  Poor Davonte Adams was just knocked cold.  Brutal. 


https://deadspin.com/davante-adams-carted-off-field-after-brutal-hit-to-the-1818982789?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow (https://deadspin.com/davante-adams-carted-off-field-after-brutal-hit-to-the-1818982789?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)

I never watch the NFL, but this was on at the gym and I saw it about 10 seconds after getting on the treadmill.
I haven't seen anything this dirty for quite some time. Adams was being wrapped up by a couple of Bears and was completely defenseless, all he could do is watch it coming a mile away as #59 launched the top of his helmet  square into his face mask. The sound was off but the whistle might have even already been blown. I can't believe #59 didn't get ejected, that looked like a blatant attempt to injure. Glad to see the Packers continue to destroy the Bears after that. Wonder how many games this guy will get? This incident seems worse than say allegedly deflating a football.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 29, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet  11m11 minutes ago
More
NFL?s Joe Lockhart says Dr. Allen Sills reports #Packers WR Davante Adams suffered a concussion & is in the hospital. I?m told MRI was clean


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on September 30, 2017, 09:43:24 PM
2 game suspension for trevathan.  Better than 1 or none I guess...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: jets4life on September 30, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
What a joke.  The offender should be suspended for the season.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jersey on October 01, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
Poor Adams. Absloute b.s. hit.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: dd on October 01, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
Total slap on the wrist for this premeditated intent to injure play. The league and sport has got to get serious with these type of egregious hits. A minimum of 4 games would have sent a stronger message. Sad.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on October 02, 2017, 12:01:24 AM
Total slap on the wrist for this premeditated intent to injure play. The league and sport has got to get serious with these type of egregious hits. A minimum of 4 games would have sent a stronger message. Sad.

Hardly think it was "premeditated". The game moves at an incredible pace - I don't believe he went out there planning on popping Adams in the head.  It was a penalty for sure and worthy of a suspension.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jersey on October 02, 2017, 01:27:20 AM
Hardly think it was "premeditated". The game moves at an incredible pace - I don't believe he went out there planning on popping Adams in the head.  It was a penalty for sure and worthy of a suspension.
Really cuz he was CLEARLY wrapped up. Zero reason to even make the hit. ZERO


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: hammerbutt on October 02, 2017, 05:14:30 PM
I'd guess he was going for a hit to dislodge the ball and didn't count on the ball carrier lowering his head at the last second


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 13, 2017, 07:05:02 PM
Is anyone else really surprised that Carson Wentz and the Eagles look like SuperBowl favorites at 5-1 after 6 games?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on October 13, 2017, 07:53:17 PM
Is anyone else really surprised that Carson Wentz and the Eagles look like SuperBowl favorites at 5-1 after 6 games?

I'm surprised but I wouldn't say really surprised. If you had me look at their schedule before the season the only win I would have possibly questioned would be the Redskins game on the road. The other 4 on paper would have seemed like gimmies to me (Didn't foresee Carolina doing anything this season, thought Cam was approaching ruined by injuries territory).


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 15, 2017, 07:02:00 PM
Packers' QB Rodgers suffers broken collarbone: http://www.tsn.ca/rodgers-suffers-broken-collarbone-could-miss-rest-of-season-1.885334 (http://www.tsn.ca/rodgers-suffers-broken-collarbone-could-miss-rest-of-season-1.885334)

Maybe Kaepernick is worth a look...? Oh, wait, he's filed a grievance: http://www.tsn.ca/reports-kaepernick-filing-grievance-against-owners-for-collusion-1.885371 (http://www.tsn.ca/reports-kaepernick-filing-grievance-against-owners-for-collusion-1.885371)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on October 16, 2017, 12:45:34 AM
Packers' QB Rodgers suffers broken collarbone: http://www.tsn.ca/rodgers-suffers-broken-collarbone-could-miss-rest-of-season-1.885334 (http://www.tsn.ca/rodgers-suffers-broken-collarbone-could-miss-rest-of-season-1.885334)

Maybe Kaepernick is worth a look...? Oh, wait, he's filed a grievance: http://www.tsn.ca/reports-kaepernick-filing-grievance-against-owners-for-collusion-1.885371 (http://www.tsn.ca/reports-kaepernick-filing-grievance-against-owners-for-collusion-1.885371)
guess my Rogers jersey T won't see light of day for another year!

To bad love watching him sling it!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 16, 2017, 01:02:36 AM
Winless Giants making the Broncos look like fools at home.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on October 16, 2017, 12:37:53 PM
Winless Giants making the Broncos look like fools at home.

What an odd season. It's like the Giants and Broncos defenses changed jerseys for the game.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: hammerbutt on October 16, 2017, 03:04:05 PM
Packers are probably out and Vikings may get Bridgewater back before December could be a playoff run for Minnesota


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on November 02, 2017, 04:45:19 PM
Last two weeks in the Fantasy League a few from here are on, my games have been decided by a combined 0.4 points  :o

Just waiting for a Week 13 stat correction that takes me out of playoff contention  :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on November 03, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
Last two weeks in the Fantasy League a few from here are on, my games have been decided by a combined 0.4 points  :o

Just waiting for a Week 13 stat correction that takes me out of playoff contention  :D

I am well aware.  Losing to you hurt big time. Then it happened again...I have scored more points than anyone and sitting in 4th place  :'(  >:(

Makes the games real interesting...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on November 21, 2017, 01:15:38 PM
What a terrible coaching decision by Pete Carroll on that fake FG with 7 seconds left in the half....and then to burn a challenge on Baldwin's clear drop...his winning % is just unreal but man does he make some puzzling calls...loss looks good on the Seahawks though.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on November 21, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
What a terrible coaching decision by Pete Carroll on that fake FG with 7 seconds left in the half....and then to burn a challenge on Baldwin's clear drop...his winning % is just unreal but man does he make some puzzling calls...loss looks good on the Seahawks though.

Yep I agree.

The stop by the defensive player on the fake punt was just perfect though. I was watching in real time and you see the shovel and the carrier is immediately stopped in their tracks.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on November 23, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
Football on a Thursday afternoon... ;D ;D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: dd on December 04, 2017, 05:33:00 AM
Is anyone lose disgusted in the benching of Eli Manning?? NFL legend gets humiliated by a pathetic move. Totally lost respect for the Giants organization. Totally.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on December 04, 2017, 02:44:17 PM
Is anyone lose disgusted in the benching of Eli Manning?? NFL legend gets humiliated by a pathetic move. Totally lost respect for the Giants organization. Totally.

i hate the Giants so I am kinda laughing but I respect what Eli and the Manning family has brought to the NFL so I do feel a bit bad for Eli...


210 consecutive starts for Eli is just crazy - then to have it end by an incompetent coach...SMH

i saw on twitter some ridiculous stat that I can't fully remember but it was the first Sunday since I think sometime in the late 90's that a Manning wasn't starting in the NFL.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on December 04, 2017, 03:40:03 PM
McAdoo was fired this morning...



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 04, 2017, 04:09:26 PM
And Jerry Reese. Let the rebuild begin.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 04, 2017, 05:55:00 PM
And Jerry Reese. Let the rebuild begin.

Makes me wonder if Manning gets traded in the off-season.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 04, 2017, 06:45:07 PM
I could see Eli retire


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 04, 2017, 07:38:00 PM
Gronkowski suspended one game: https://www.tsn.ca/gronkowski-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-white-1.934068 (https://www.tsn.ca/gronkowski-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-white-1.934068)

Pretty much saw this coming. That was a very dumb move.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 04, 2017, 11:28:51 PM
Gronkowski suspended one game: https://www.tsn.ca/gronkowski-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-white-1.934068 (https://www.tsn.ca/gronkowski-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-white-1.934068)

Pretty much saw this coming. That was a very dumb move.

He either shares the same brain with Travis Kelce or is on the juice rage or both


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: dd on December 05, 2017, 12:04:40 AM
Gronkowski suspended one game: https://www.tsn.ca/gronkowski-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-white-1.934068 (https://www.tsn.ca/gronkowski-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-white-1.934068)

Pretty much saw this coming. That was a very dumb move.
One game is not enough, but that's ok, what comes around, goes around, he'll get his due, cement head!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 05, 2017, 01:52:16 AM
One game is not enough, but that's ok, what comes around, goes around, he'll get his due, cement head!!!

Stay classy. It's his first offense, so a game is pretty reasonable. You and your sad emotion-posting.

Anyway, Steelers' LB Shazier suffered a frightening injury tonight after attempting a tackle: https://www.tsn.ca/steelers-shazier-carted-off-after-scary-injury-1.934453 (https://www.tsn.ca/steelers-shazier-carted-off-after-scary-injury-1.934453)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on December 06, 2017, 08:27:26 PM
Goodell gets extension:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/sports/nfl-roger-goodell-contract-.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/sports/nfl-roger-goodell-contract-.html)

$200 million total (5 years), so he's making almost as much as me now.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on December 10, 2017, 06:47:57 PM
Awesome snow game in Buffalo today!!

Start the NFL season earlier...    ::)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 12, 2017, 09:08:12 PM
Huge blow to the Eagles: https://www.tsn.ca/eagles-confirm-wentz-tore-acl-1.939959 (https://www.tsn.ca/eagles-confirm-wentz-tore-acl-1.939959)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on December 18, 2017, 08:07:42 PM
Carolina Panthers on the block...

Diddy wants to buy them and sign Kaepernick immediately... and Steph Curry wants to buy in too.  I'm thinking the NFL Govenors aren't going to approve that sale...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 01, 2018, 03:43:11 PM
Giant Hahahahahaha to any Ravens fans out there - giant choke yesterday.  Not a huge Bills fan but they have waited a long time to get into the playoffs...

The coaching firing has begun already and some great football should be ahead of us..


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
Quite the playoff mix this year. Wildcard Weekend is going to be awesome!

And a ton of coaches gone: Arians (ARI) retires; Del Rio (OAK), Caldwell (DET), Pagano (IND), Fox (CHI) all fired.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 03, 2018, 05:02:52 PM
Quite the playoff mix this year. Wildcard Weekend is going to be awesome!

And a ton of coaches gone: Arians (ARI) retires; Del Rio (OAK), Caldwell (DET), Pagano (IND), Fox (CHI) all fired.

Who would have thought Del Rio would get the boot at the beginning of the season? He was probably one of the 'safest' guys going into the year.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 03, 2018, 06:26:00 PM
Who would have thought Del Rio would get the boot at the beginning of the season? He was probably one of the 'safest' guys going into the year.

I'm still baffled he took the fall in Oakland. I see this move only making the Raiders worse, especially when you consider the frontrunner replacement is Jon Gruden. :D

In other news, Carson Palmer called it a career yesterday.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 03, 2018, 06:36:52 PM
I'm still baffled he took the fall in Oakland. I see this move only making the Raiders worse, especially when you consider the frontrunner replacement is Jon Gruden. :D

In other news, Carson Palmer called it a career yesterday.

The reason I started liking the NFL/the Bengals.

It's a sad day.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 03, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
The reason I started liking the NFL/the Bengals.

It's a sad day.

Meh
Not for me
Whimper


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 05, 2018, 05:43:09 PM
Heard the Raiders are giving Gruden a $100 million 10 year contract  :o


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 05, 2018, 06:00:35 PM
Heard the Raiders are giving Gruden a $100 million 10 year contract  :o

Just came to say that. Holy ----!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751817-jon-gruden-reportedly-to-be-named-raiders-head-coach-after-9-years-with-espn


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 05, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Just came to say that. Holy ----!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751817-jon-gruden-reportedly-to-be-named-raiders-head-coach-after-9-years-with-espn

ridiculous...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 05, 2018, 06:06:13 PM
ridiculous...

They're going to be stuck with the contract for 5+ years at least. Better hope he's still as good as he was back in the day.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 05, 2018, 06:15:34 PM
They're going to be stuck with the contract for 5+ years at least. Better hope he's still as good as he was back in the day.

and that Derek Carr is more 2016 than 2017...starts with the QB...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2018, 06:32:34 PM

PFTCommenter @PFTCommenter

$100 millon from Mark Davis to Jon Gruden may be the largest ever monetary tranaction between two guys who cut there own hair


(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/image-69.jpg)


(http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/gruden.jpg)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 05, 2018, 08:42:09 PM
Heard the Raiders are giving Gruden a $100 million 10 year contract  :o

Lmao!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 05, 2018, 09:07:31 PM
Wild card game picks

Chiefs
Rams
Jaguars (sad but true but I don?t think the Bills will be able to do anything against that Jags D)
Saints

Gruden deal is unreal if you are him! His golden hair just got more golden!

Mark Davis hair is the same as Harry Dunne hair from dumb and dumber lol
maybe get Cam Neely to go kick his ***

Your that rich and your hair looks like that? Weird


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 05, 2018, 09:35:06 PM
Patriots falling apart at the seems?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 05, 2018, 10:13:54 PM
Patriots falling apart at the seems?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle
Meh I call BS


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 06, 2018, 02:06:19 AM
Meh I call BS

I suspect more truth than fans and media in the area want to admit...and I say "hahahahahaha"


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 06, 2018, 02:18:02 AM
Meh I call BS

Really? Seems pretty legit.

This isn?t to say that they can?t move forward and keep winning. They clearly haven?t let it get in the way so far. But the rifts certainly seems to be there.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 06, 2018, 11:49:40 PM
chiefs with the giant choke at home....Andy Reid delivers again


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 07, 2018, 12:25:30 AM
Chiefs, still, with just 2 home playoff wins in their 54 yr KC history.


Wow...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 07, 2018, 02:47:37 PM
chiefs with the giant choke at home....Andy Reid delivers again

What a loser coach!

This IS a habit now. Same old same old.

I under estimated the Falcons D. Great pressure all game long with strong secondary play.

I?m hoping the Vikings make it to the SB at home so I hoping the Panthers win as I think Vikings would have an easier time with them than Brees.

I can?t see anyone beating the patriots certainly not any of the Bills or Titans.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on January 07, 2018, 04:24:02 PM
Really enjoyed the Titans comeback! I turned it on at the start of the second half and wondered why I was bothering, clearly a blowout. Glad I kept it on!!

GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 08, 2018, 01:18:49 PM
Patriots falling apart at the seems?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle

Considering the source (a sports tabloid), I'd say no.

Great wild card weekend. Titans/Chiefs game was the best one, IMO. Looking forward to the divisional round this weekend!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 08, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
Considering the source (a sports tabloid), I'd say no.

Great wild card weekend. Titans/Chiefs game was the best one, IMO. Looking forward to the divisional round this weekend!

ESPN is a tabloid??

and that massive picture of gruden in this thread is annoying me to no end....


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 08, 2018, 01:26:14 PM
Fun fact - Post-season starts by divisional round QBs....

Mariota 1
Brady 34

Bortles 1
Roethlisberger 20

Ryan 9
Foles 1

Brees 12
Keenum 0



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 08, 2018, 01:26:27 PM
ESPN is a tabloid??

and that massive picture of gruden in this thread is annoying me to no end....

This isn't the first time that outlet has published unsubstantiated nonsense regarding the Patriots - and around the playoffs, no less. So, yes, tabloid seems like a fitting descriptor.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 08, 2018, 04:12:31 PM
ESPN is a tabloid??

and that massive picture of gruden in this thread is annoying me to no end....

I would not say that ESPN itself is a tabloid, however they do sometimes write columns and articles which would be considered tabloid.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 08, 2018, 09:32:36 PM
I would not say that ESPN itself is a tabloid, however they do sometimes write columns and articles which would be considered tabloid.

Lots of garbage gets crapped out of that joint. I guess they are desperate for attention.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Tiger on January 09, 2018, 03:22:03 AM
Heard the Raiders are giving Gruden a $100 million 10 year contract  :o

Gruden has said no a few times before.......wait for the signed contract


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 09, 2018, 04:36:55 AM
Gruden has said no a few times before.......wait for the signed contract

Done deal

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-football-nfl-oak/gruden-returns-as-raiders-head-coach-idUSKBN1EW067 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-football-nfl-oak/gruden-returns-as-raiders-head-coach-idUSKBN1EW067)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 09, 2018, 01:41:17 PM
That's just nuts.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 09, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
That's just nuts.

Agreed. That is absolute insanity.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 09, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
ESPN is pretty close to being a tabloid these days with all their coverage of Levar Ball, they fired all of their legit reporters, and the faces of the network are trolls Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on January 09, 2018, 10:25:58 PM
ESPN is pretty close to being a tabloid these days with all their coverage of Levar Ball, they fired all of their legit reporters, and the faces of the network are trolls Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless. 

I agree with you, but Skip hasn't been with ESPN for almost 2 years.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 14, 2018, 02:28:06 PM
Picks Jags Vikings

Antonio Brown may not play and even if he does how effective against that great Jags secondary

Vikings I like the home team


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 14, 2018, 03:30:33 PM
Jags, lol.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 14, 2018, 03:58:29 PM
Jags, lol.

Week 5 wasn't a good game for the Steelers at home despite having a healthy roster. Mike Tomlin says the team is improved since that 30-9 loss to the Jaguars, though.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 14, 2018, 07:49:50 PM
What a wild game. I don't think anyone expected it to go like it has so far.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 14, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
My steelers D looks like my bombers D

WHAT A JOKE!!



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 14, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
My steelers D looks like my bombers D

WHAT A JOKE!!

Offense wasn't much better, either.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 14, 2018, 08:27:54 PM
Offense wasn't much better, either.

They put up 45 on the best D and ben tossed for over 400


That one is on the steelers D.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 14, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
Great start for the Vikes!!!

SKOL!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 08:57:37 PM
What a wild game. I don't think anyone expected it to go like it has so far.
Yep that was a crazy game!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 09:09:54 PM
Yep that was a crazy game!

That onside kick decision at the end is going to be ripped to shreds over the next few days.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
My steelers D looks like my bombers D

WHAT A JOKE!!



Biggest pet peeve in sports is when people call a team in a different country, "my" - as if they own the team.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 14, 2018, 09:18:05 PM
Biggest pet peeve in sports is when people call a team in a different country, "my" - as if they own the team.

The "my" is more a term denoting "my favourite team" as opposed to ownership...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
The "my" is more a term denoting "my favourite team" as opposed to ownership...

LOL - no worries... I wasn`t intending to be rude... just a pet peeve I have always had.  Not saying you do it, but I know a lot of people who refer to teams as "my ____" when they are doing well, and "the _____" when they are doing bad or have a bad game. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 09:37:11 PM
That onside kick decision at the end is going to be ripped to shreds over the next few days.
Steelers should sign Medlock.  That onside kick was brutal! 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 09:40:37 PM
Steelers should sign Medlock.  That onside kick was brutal! 

It was brutal - but not only that, the decision to go for an onside kick was brutal too.  Should have put some confidence in his defense.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 09:45:33 PM
It was brutal - but not only that, the decision to go for an onside kick was brutal too.  Should have put some confidence in his defense.
Decision was "questionable" in my opinion.  I don't remember...how many timeouts did the Steelers have at that point? 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 09:47:16 PM
They put up 45 on the best D and ben tossed for over 400


That one is on the steelers D.
Agreed 100%.  Steelers offense had a very good day after starting out slow. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 09:51:43 PM
Decision was "questionable" in my opinion.  I don't remember...how many timeouts did the Steelers have at that point? 

Two timeouts and 2 minute warning... so 3 stoppages.  Brutal decision in my opinion.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
Two timeouts and 2 minute warning... so 3 stoppages.  Brutal decision in my opinion.
Okay, with 2 timeouts at that stage, then yes I agree with you. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 10:00:05 PM
Don't underestimate the impact Scott Milanovich has had on the Jaguars success.  He's really made Bortles into a half decent NFL QB. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
Don't underestimate the impact Scott Milanovich has had on the Jaguars success.  He's really made Bortles into a half decent NFL QB. 

Who is underestimating him?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 10:22:02 PM
Who is underestimating him?
I just never hear him get any credit for the Jags/Bortles success.  Bortles was considered a lost cause going into the season.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 10:31:19 PM
I just never hear him get any credit for the Jags/Bortles success.  Bortles was considered a lost cause going into the season.

I would still write off Bortles. He was no better this year than any other year. Drafting Fournette was a HUGE reason the Jags offense did so well. It's the first year in a long time they've had a dual threat balanced offense in the passing and running game.  Also, it doesn't hurt they had the 2nd best overall defense this year. All reasons that Bortles appears to be improved. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 10:39:05 PM
I would still write off Bortles. He was no better this year than any other year. Drafting Fournette was a HUGE reason the Jags offense did so well. It's the first year in a long time they've had a dual threat balanced offense in the passing and running game.  Also, it doesn't hurt they had the 2nd best overall defense this year. All reasons that Bortles appears to be improved. 
I?m sure that all helped as well. But there are reports out of Jacksonville crediting Milanovich with turning around Bortles career. I think Milanovich has had a big impact.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 10:43:58 PM
I?m sure that all helped as well. But there are reports out of Jacksonville crediting Milanovich with turning around Bortles career. I think Milanovich has had a big impact.

Oh.  I thought you were making the Bortles statement(s) based off your own personal views and opinion, not reports out of Jacksonville.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 10:46:08 PM
Oh.  I thought you were making the Bortles statement(s) based off your own personal views and opinion, not reports out of Jacksonville.
Both. I have my opinion and it?s backed up by reports from Jacksonville beat writers.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 10:49:06 PM
And we?ve got ourselves a game now in Minnesota. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 10:52:52 PM
Both. I have my opinion and it?s backed up by reports from Jacksonville beat writers.

Well I would love to hear some of these opinions on how Bortles is better.

Facts are that he has pretty much the same completion percentage, passer rating, etc in 2016 and 2017.

The Jags had the 22nd best rushing offense in 2016 and 1st overall rushing offense in 2017.  Like I said before, Fournette adding the balanced attack is the main reason the Jags are so much better.

If you can explain how Bortles is a better QB than previous years, without attributing it to their league best rushing offense and 2nd best team defense in the league, I would love to hear it.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:01:02 PM
Well I would love to hear some of these opinions on how Bortles is better.

Facts are that he has pretty much the same completion percentage, passer rating, etc in 2016 and 2017.

The Jags had the 22nd best rushing offense in 2016 and 1st overall rushing offense in 2017.  Like I said before, Fournette adding the balanced attack is the main reason the Jags are so much better.

If you can explain how Bortles is a better QB than previous years, without attributing it to their league best rushing offense and 2nd best team defense in the league, I would love to hear it.
I?ve watched a few Jags games this season and he?s making better decisions.  He also lost his number one receiver the first game of the season and still had a good year (for Blake Bortles). His QB rating also improved over his 2016 season and he threw a few fewer interceptions. I think Bortles play, along with other factors you noted contributed to the Jags success. If you want to dismiss Bortles and Milanovich?s contributions, we?ll that?s perfectly fine...we?re all entitled to our opinions  :)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 11:03:25 PM
I?ve watched a few Jags games this season and he?s making better decisions.  He also lost his number one receiver the first game of the season and still had a good year (for Blake Bortles). His QB rating also improved over his 2016 season and he threw a few fewer interceptions. I think Bortles play, along with other factors you noted contributed to the Jags success. If you want to dismiss Bortles and Milanovich?s contributions, we?ll that?s perfectly fine...we?re all entitled to our opinions  :)

Alright... agree to disagree.  Just to note, yes his QB rating did improve, however it only improved in the final 3 weeks of the season as he played 3 of the leagues worst passing defenses.  Up until week 15, his passer rating was worse than last year.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:06:13 PM
Uh oh. Saints TD...17-14 Vikings at the start of the 4th.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:17:14 PM
Alright... agree to disagree.  Just to note, yes his QB rating did improve, however it only improved in the final 3 weeks of the season as he played 3 of the leagues worst passing defenses.  Up until week 15, his passer rating was worse than last year.
Week 15 would have brought it up (143.8 ). But week 16 and 17 definetley brought it down (75.6 and 33.7). He ended the year with a QBR of 84.7. In 2016 it was 78.8.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Week 15 would have brought it up (143.8). But week 16 and 17 definetley brought it down (75.6 and 33.7). He ended the year with a QBR of 84.7. In 2016 it was 78.8.

Which in the big picture is virtually no change at all  ;D :D ;) ;)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:20:16 PM
Which in the big picture is virtually no change at all  ;D :D ;) ;)
Ok we will agree to disagree on this.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 11:22:04 PM
Ok we will agree to disagree on this.

Oh, and my bad... I was wrong... it was weeks 13 - 15 which he played the 3 worst defenses which inflated his QBR... not weeks 15 - 17 as I had previously stated.

Weeks 13 to 15 was 120, 134 and 144 QBRs.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:24:46 PM
Oh, and my bad... I was wrong... it was weeks 13 - 15 which he played the 3 worst defenses which inflated his QBR... not weeks 15 - 17 as I had previously stated.

Weeks 13 to 15 was 120, 134 and 144 QBRs.
Ok then are we removing the 3 games from 2016 when he played poor pass defences as well?  You can?t just pick and choose stats to suit your argument  ::)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 11:26:57 PM
Ok then are we removing the 3 games from 2016 when he played poor pass defences as well?  You can?t just pick and choose stats to suit your argument  ::)

Yes you can.... if 3 games HEAVILY changed and inflated his QBR.  In 2016 he only had ONE game of a QB of over 100.0 - which means his 78 QBR for the season was CONSISTENT since he got under 100 QBR every game.  In 3 games in 2017 he had a HEAVILY inflated QBR for 3 games... which is why it looks better than 2016. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:29:53 PM
Yes you can.... if 3 games HEAVILY changed and inflated his QBR.  In 2016 he only had ONE game of a QB of over 100.0 - which means his 78 QBR for the season was CONSISTENT since he got under 100 QBR every game.  In 3 games in 2017 he had a HEAVILY inflated QBR... which is why it looks better than 2016. 
lol ok we will just say those 3 games never happened, but his best 3 QBR?s from 2016 stay!  :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 11:32:38 PM
lol ok we will just say those 3 games never happened, but his best 3 QBR?s from 2016 stay!  :D

You are making no sense.

If you remove Bortles best 3 games of 2016 his QBR will still remain around 78 for the year.  If you remove his 3 best games in 2017 it will drop from 84 to somewhere in the 70s for the year.

All I am saying is that in 2016 his QBR for the year is consistent to his play for the entire year.  His 84 QBR for 2017 is not consistent to his play for 2017 since 3 of his games drastically changed his QBR for the other 13 games he played.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:36:34 PM
Fudge!  Saints might win this!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:38:48 PM
Wow...Saints just took the lead...21-20! 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 14, 2018, 11:44:54 PM
A Vikings FG for the win???

Oh my


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:46:29 PM
Wow what a play and catch!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:49:53 PM
A Vikings FG for the win???

Oh my
He made it but lots of time still on the clock!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 14, 2018, 11:51:38 PM
LOL... theyre playing Stone Cold Steve Austin theme song in Minneapolis.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:52:56 PM
This isn?t looking good...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 14, 2018, 11:57:36 PM
LOL... theyre playing Stone Cold Steve Austin theme song in Minneapolis.
And now Thunderstruck!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 14, 2018, 11:58:50 PM
Wow.   What a game. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Fudge!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 12:02:33 AM
This feels like a CFL game these last couple minutes!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 12:07:47 AM
Holy ****!!!!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 12:18:40 AM
Milt just teeeted this: Reminds me of a play I was involved in back in 2006. #NoleadIsafe


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 15, 2018, 12:21:10 AM
Milt just teeeted this: Reminds me of a play I was involved in back in 2006. #NoleadIsafe

It was like that but the stakes much higher.

Amazing, I thought the Vikings were done for!

Next weekend is gonna be awesome!

Jaguars were awesome as well 2 awesome games!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 12:22:22 AM
It was like that but the stakes much higher.

Amazing, I thought the Vikings were done for!

Next weekend is gonna be awesome!

Jaguars were awesome as well 2 awesome games!
Yep amazing day of football today!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 15, 2018, 12:24:24 AM
Yep amazing day of football today!

Really couldn?t hope for better unless your a Steeler fan 😂


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 15, 2018, 12:28:30 AM
Really couldn?t hope for better unless your a Steeler fan 😂

Yah.  Steelers game was a downer...vikes my second fav team so this was ok

Tom Brady will be over confident and will implode


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 15, 2018, 12:33:56 AM
What a day of football! NFL at its best right there. Two amazing games. I can't believe the end of the Vikings game! Wow!!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 15, 2018, 12:38:14 AM
Yah.  Steelers game was a downer...vikes my second fav team so this was ok

Tom Brady will be over confident and will implode
Haha Go Brady Go


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 15, 2018, 02:37:21 AM
What a day of football! NFL at its best right there. Two amazing games. I can't believe the end of the Vikings game! Wow!!!!

I had almost turned it off, can?t believe it.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 02:49:24 AM
I was considering driving to Minny for the game today but I didn?t. Now I?m very much regretting it  :'(


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 15, 2018, 03:44:58 AM
I was considering driving to Minny for the game today but I didn?t. Now I?m very much regretting it  :'(

In this weather? Don?t stress it it ain?t worth it


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 08:28:01 AM
In this weather? Don?t stress it it ain?t worth it
Ya I guess you are right.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 15, 2018, 01:53:14 PM
They put up 45 on the best D and ben tossed for over 400

That one is on the steelers D.

Two turnovers (INT and FUM) by Roethlisberger resulting in 14 points for the Jaguars isn't on the defense.

Yah.  Steelers game was a downer...vikes my second fav team so this was ok

Tom Brady will be over confident and will implode

Yeah, we've never heard that one from his naysayers before. ;D

Wild football weekend, yesterday in particular. Two absolutely wild games.

And now the Titans aren't keeping their head coach: https://www.tsn.ca/report-titans-mularkey-agree-to-part-ways-1.968366 (https://www.tsn.ca/report-titans-mularkey-agree-to-part-ways-1.968366)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: JMT21 on January 15, 2018, 02:42:59 PM
Read that Brady is 17 games above .500 during the playoffs.  No other QB has ever won 17 playoff games.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Ducky on January 15, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
What a day of football! NFL at its best right there. Two amazing games. I can't believe the end of the Vikings game! Wow!!!!

Yes they were great games for sure.  And how about that whiffed tackle to hand the game to Minnesota.  One of the WORST plays of all time.  Tha Db must feel like absolute ****.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 15, 2018, 08:41:42 PM
Aaron Rodgers and Danica Patrick are dating!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 15, 2018, 08:53:55 PM
Aaron Rodgers and Danica Patrick are dating!

maybe she can convince him to talk to his family...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 15, 2018, 09:19:53 PM
Aaron Rodgers and Danica Patrick are dating!

Interesting.  He was just dating Olivia Munn for a few years.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on January 15, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
maybe she can convince him to talk to his family...

His family is cancer, I'm not sure why she would.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 15, 2018, 10:40:26 PM
maybe she can convince him to talk to his family...
What?s wrong with Aaron Rodgers family?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 16, 2018, 12:29:50 AM
What?s wrong with Aaron Rodgers family?

It sounds like he's pretty estranged from his family: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/18/the-relationship-between-aaron-rodgers-and-his-family-may-be-worse-than-we-thought/?utm_term=.ce2e4fa030f0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/18/the-relationship-between-aaron-rodgers-and-his-family-may-be-worse-than-we-thought/?utm_term=.ce2e4fa030f0)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 16, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
It sounds like he's pretty estranged from his family: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/18/the-relationship-between-aaron-rodgers-and-his-family-may-be-worse-than-we-thought/?utm_term=.ce2e4fa030f0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/18/the-relationship-between-aaron-rodgers-and-his-family-may-be-worse-than-we-thought/?utm_term=.ce2e4fa030f0)

Wow weird Aaron seems like a kinda normal guy. Maybe he holds grudges like no other. He sure wears his emotions on his sleeve on the field. Maybe Finley is right, you cannot cross him or your in his bad books for good. With family it likely has to do with his money.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 17, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
Well I would love to hear some of these opinions on how Bortles is better.

Facts are that he has pretty much the same completion percentage, passer rating, etc in 2016 and 2017.

The Jags had the 22nd best rushing offense in 2016 and 1st overall rushing offense in 2017.  Like I said before, Fournette adding the balanced attack is the main reason the Jags are so much better.

If you can explain how Bortles is a better QB than previous years, without attributing it to their league best rushing offense and 2nd best team defense in the league, I would love to hear it.

this was interesting read regarding the work the Bort did in the off-season - even before Milanovich got there...

http://nationalpost.com/pmn/sports-pmn/football-sports-pmn/former-argos-head-coach-milanovich-one-win-away-from-reaching-super-bowl (http://nationalpost.com/pmn/sports-pmn/football-sports-pmn/former-argos-head-coach-milanovich-one-win-away-from-reaching-super-bowl)


From the article:

Bortles has completed 26-of-49 passes (53 per cent) for 301 yards with two TDs and no interceptions in Jacksonville?s two playoff wins. The Jaguars remain the NFL?s post-season rushing leader (319 yards, 4.6-yard average, four TDs) with Bortles standing third overall with 123 yards on 15 carries (8.2-yard average).

?Blake has been great, he?s very coachable,? Milanovich said. ?But listen, I?m not taking credit for him.

?Before I even got to work with him he spent a lot of time in California working on his release and it looked nothing like it did when I watched film or saw him for the first time. He deserves much of the credit for working hard and making a more efficient release.?

Milanovich said his CFL head-coaching experience has helped him become a better assistant coach.

?I think I understand what the co-ordinator is going through, I understand to some degree what the head coach is going through,? he said. ?I think I?m in a better position now knowing what I know to support them and do right by them as an assistant.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 18, 2018, 01:24:39 PM
Good for him. I'd love to see the upset this weekend!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 18, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
Good for him. I'd love to see the upset this weekend!


With no horse in the race, I'd love to see a Jaguars/Vikings Superbowl. Get some new blood in the Championship game.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 18, 2018, 09:08:42 PM
Multiple reports that Brady dislocated a finger on his throwing hand yesterday and isn't practicing today.
Quote

The sports injury expert for the San Diego Union-Tribune said it's "likely" Brady suffered a dislocation of a finger on his throwing hand. Based on the nature of the reporting, the doctor said the dislocation likely caused a laceration to the skin on Brady's finger.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754847-tom-brady-misses-practice-with-hand-injury-ahead-of-afc-championship-game


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 18, 2018, 10:00:27 PM
Multiple reports that Brady dislocated a finger on his throwing hand yesterday and isn't practicing today.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754847-tom-brady-misses-practice-with-hand-injury-ahead-of-afc-championship-game
He'll be good to go on Sunday. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 18, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
Quick!  Take the Jags to beat the spread!!! ;)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 19, 2018, 05:05:23 PM
Quick!  Take the Jags to beat the spread!!! ;)

I would if I were betting on it

Pats and Vikings strait up though

27-24 Pats

27-13 Vikings

SB heaven!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 19, 2018, 05:09:32 PM
I would if I were betting on it

Pats and Vikings strait up though

27-24 Pats

27-13 Vikings

SB heaven!


Winningest SB team vs. the losingest?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 19, 2018, 05:39:30 PM
I would if I were betting on it

Pats and Vikings strait up though

27-24 Pats

27-13 Vikings

SB heaven!


You think the AFC Championship is going to be tighter than the NFC Championship...?  ???


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 19, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
You think the AFC Championship is going to be tighter than the NFC Championship...?  ???
I do


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 19, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
I do

I am guessing the Pats will score way more than 27 against the Jags.  I would bet 38-24 Pats.

Also, Eagles should score more than 13 against the Vikings... 27-24 final... either team could win.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on January 19, 2018, 06:32:24 PM
I am guessing the Pats will score way more than 27 against the Jags.  I would bet 38-24 Pats.

Also, Eagles should score more than 13 against the Vikings... 27-24 final... either team could win.

How do you figure?  ???


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 19, 2018, 07:47:21 PM
How do you figure?  ???

Well I could be wrong... I know the Vikings have one of the best defenses in the league, but playoff football is a whole new ball game.

I guess I worded it wrong when I put they "should" score more than 13.  I guess I meant that I "think" they will.  I can see them pounding the ball on the ground and running in a TD, I can see Foles throwing at least 1 TD, possibly 2, and maybe a few points off of turnover.  Maybe 24 was a bit optimistic, but I would think the Eagles can score at least 17, possibly 20+.  To me 13 just seems too low.  I dont think last week reflects their true colours.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 19, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
I?ve got a Patriots Vikings Super Bowl.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 19, 2018, 08:58:04 PM
Tom Brady listed as questionable for Sunday. 

Hoyer magic time??

Sounds about right:

Hoyer
Foles
Keenum
Bortles


I think Tom would need to be in pretty rough shape to not play


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 19, 2018, 08:59:35 PM
Tom Brady listed as questionable for Sunday. 

Hoyer magic time??

Sounds about right:

Hoyer
Foles
Keenum
Bortles


I think Tom would need to be in pretty rough shape to not play
Guaranteed Brady plays.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 19, 2018, 09:53:52 PM
Lacerated thumb, possible dislocation.  I can see playing with a lacerated/broken ring finger, but the thumb...  word was he was zipping the ball pretty good in practice today...  you can bet that every time the Jags get near him, they will be swiping at his right thumb... all it will take is one to connect and boom...  Hoyer Horror... 

Smart move trading Garapalo away....


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 19, 2018, 09:58:37 PM
Lacerated thumb, possible dislocation.  I can see playing with a lacerated/broken ring finger, but the thumb...  word was he was zipping the ball pretty good in practice today...  you can bet that every time the Jags get near him, they will be swiping at his right thumb... all it will take is one to connect and boom...  Hoyer Horror... 

Smart move trading Garapalo away....

They had no choice... he was in a contract year... it was either trade him or give him a HUGE contract which he would have demanded... and they can not afford to keep Brady and a big Garrapolo contract.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 19, 2018, 10:00:36 PM
They had no choice... he was in a contract year... it was either trade him or give him a HUGE contract which he would have demanded... and they can not afford to keep Brady and a big Garrapolo contract.
Smart move would have been to trade Brady. Not the popular move, but the smart move.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 19, 2018, 10:37:14 PM
Smart move would have been to trade Brady. Not the popular move, but the smart move.

I'd trust Bellichick and Craft's opinion on how to run the Patriots just a wee bit more.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 19, 2018, 10:44:34 PM
Garrapolo is good, but not as good as the price tag he would have commanded.

Patriots trust their system.  Jacoby Brisset stepped in as the 3rd stringer and played pretty **** good in their system as well.

Garrapolo would have been their logical choice for their system, but not worth his price tag.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on January 19, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
I'd trust Bellichick and Craft's opinion on how to run the Patriots just a wee bit more.

I'd trust Belichick far far more than Kraft, and he doesn't seem to be the one that made the decision. Quite the opposite.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 19, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
I'd trust Belichick far far more than Kraft, and he doesn't seem to be the one that made the decision. Quite the opposite.
Exactly. Kraft forced Bilichick to trade Garrapolo and apparently Kraft now regrets that decision.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 20, 2018, 03:09:33 AM
They had no choice... he was in a contract year... it was either trade him or give him a HUGE contract which he would have demanded... and they can not afford to keep Brady and a big Garrapolo contract.

He was a free agent AFTER this year...  so, they got a second round pick in exchange for a great insurance policy... 

Pretty sure the reason EDM didn't trade Franklin during the year was in case Reilly dislocated his thumb and suffered a laceration on it and couldn't play in the WDF... 

And they still got something for him after the season was over... 

And, had Reilly suffered a career ending injury, well... 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 20, 2018, 08:19:34 AM
He was a free agent AFTER this year...  so, they got a second round pick in exchange for a great insurance policy... 

Pretty sure the reason EDM didn't trade Franklin during the year was in case Reilly dislocated his thumb and suffered a laceration on it and couldn't play in the WDF... 

And they still got something for him after the season was over... 

And, had Reilly suffered a career ending injury, well... 

Yes, I do not see your point.  I never said he was a free agent DURING the season.  I am not sure why you put "AFTER" in capital letters.

While its debatable and controversial as to if trading him was the right move, if they had waited until the season was over, he would have been free to sign with anyone... at least this way the Patriots got a 2nd round pick in exchange for him.

On to another topic, there is an interesting article about how it was possible they kept Brady and Garoppolo for another season:

But could New England have massaged its cap situation in some way to have hung on to both Garoppolo and Brady, at least for one more year?
Joe Banner, the former CEO for both the Eagles and Browns, certainly thinks so.

"It really isn?t that hard to do," Banner told me by phone this week.

For one thing, the cap keeps rising. It stood at $167 million per team in 2017, which is a 36 percent increase just since 2013. The 2018 cap is expected to be anywhere from $174 million to $178 million, though Banner believes the actual number might come in even higher. "I think the caps going to be more like 180 to 182 or 183," he said.

This means, simply, that there will be more money to spend. The Patriots have already committed $15 million in 2018 salary toward Brady, plus an additional $7 million from his prorated signing bonus toward his cap charge, for a total of $22 million. Garoppolo, had he not been traded, would have been scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March. But the Patriots, as Banner suggested, could have placed the franchise tag on him - a move that likely would have cost an estimated $23.55 million in both salary and cap charges.

That would have meant $45.55 million against the cap for just two quarterbacks. Which seems crazy! But, as Banner explained, its not as simple as that. Because the cap is fungible.

"I always thought about the cap like a poker game, and you have X number of chips," Banner said. "And whether youre going to win or lose depends upon whether you bet the most on the right hands or not. So its always just an allocation of priorities and whats most important."

Banner laid out an extensive cost-benefit analysis that goes far beyond LOL $45 million for two QBs.

"If you had made the statement to me, Would you ever put $45 million into the quarterback position for two guys over one year? I mean, thats a no brainer. No. Id never do that," Banner said. "If you said to me, though, could you rationalize for one year of putting $45 million into two quarterbacks, and in return for this, you get the year and a half of [Brady] insurance, and maybe the starting quarterback for the next 10 years, or a phenomenal value in a trade and by the way the sacrifice youre making for the 18 roster is pretty modest because youve got some players who are planning on getting rid of anyway to create a bunch of room? Well, then, you go, "You know what, that isnt as obvious an answer as I initially thought it was.?"

The trade possibility is the first big part of it. By keeping and tagging Garoppolo, the Pats would have signaled to the rest of the league how much they valued him. The knock-on effect here is the leverage it would have given the Pats in a possible trade. New England ended up dealing Garoppolo to San Francisco for a second-round pick. But by tagging him, the Pats maybe could have gotten a first-rounder from a QB-needy team?perhaps even from the Niners in addition to clearing that $23.55 million tag cost from their books.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 20, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
Clearly, there were politics involved that had nothing to do with the salary cap.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 20, 2018, 02:37:45 PM
Clearly, there were politics involved that had nothing to do with the salary cap.

Yup, agreed.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 20, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Garapalo didn't want to sit behind Brady and waste his starting years...  likewise Franklin didn't want to sit behind Reilly. 

Both GM's got a second rounder for the asset, but Edm got a season of low cost insurance just for honouring a contract that was valid and enforceable.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 20, 2018, 07:06:32 PM
Garapalo didn't want to sit behind Brady and waste his starting years...  likewise Franklin didn't want to sit behind Reilly. 

Both GM's got a second rounder for the asset, but Edm got a season of low cost insurance just for honouring a contract that was valid and enforceable.


I don't really see where you are going with this Eskimos reference.  I can think of tons of better comparisons to this situation. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 06:59:41 PM
Could be a great day of football!!!

Calling the Jags upset- their defence is that good!!



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 07:00:49 PM
Could be a great day of football!!!

Calling the Jags upset- their defence is that good!!

I've got the Pats winning, but that wouldn't surprise me either...Jags do have a great D!  I'd LOVE to see Brady lose!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 21, 2018, 07:08:21 PM
Could be a great day of football!!!

Calling the Jags upset- their defence is that good!!



Hopefully. Nothing would be more boring than seeing the Pats win again.

I?m dreaming of a Jags/Vikings showdown.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 07:54:59 PM
Jags up 14-3!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
Jags up 14-3!!!

That is pretty much a perfect half so far for the Jags. 

Van Noy got completely owned on that TD. 

Never count the Pats out though.  Time for the refs to help them out somehow


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
That is pretty much a perfect half so far for the Jags. 

Van Noy got completely owned on that TD. 

Never count the Pats out though.  Time for the refs to help them out somehow
Ya the NFL doesn?t want the Jags in the Super Bowl.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 21, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
Being down 14-3 for any other team would be a lot more concerning. Somehow the Patriots always find a way to claw their way back. With or without help from the refs  ::)  ;)  will be surprised if Jags run away with it. They may win but Pats offense will probably get going in the 2nd half. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 08:21:02 PM
Looks like Gronk might be done for the day with a concussion.  That hit to the head looked pretty nasty.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 08:23:06 PM
47 yards on that drive via penalties...hate to be like this but getting gronk potentially out is huge - prob worth the 15 yards. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 21, 2018, 09:20:48 PM
I love listening to Tony Romo. Best color commentator ever. So much enthusiasm and insight. Perfect job for him.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 09:30:21 PM
On 3rd and 18 Brady converts thanks to holding not being called


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 09:32:48 PM
On 3rd and 18 Brady converts thanks to holding not being called
That may be the turning point of the game if the Pats win. Looking like we?re in for a great finish!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 09:41:29 PM
That may be the turning point of the game if the Pats win. Looking like we?re in for a great finish!

It was blatant holding...Bort needed to get some first downs on that last series.  Set up for a wild finish- $$ is on Tom unless Jags can get a turnover


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
It was blatant holding...Bort needed to get some first downs on that last series.  Set up for a wild finish- $$ is on Tom unless Jags can get a turnover
Penalties so far:
Jax: 6/98
NE: 1/10


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 09:55:19 PM
Shucks. Can't stop Brady...up to the Bort now..


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 21, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
On to the game I really care about...go Vikings!!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 21, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
Never count the Pats out though.  Time for the refs to help them out somehow

Yeah, it's got nothing at all to do with them being a really good team or anything.

Penalties so far:
Jax: 6/98
NE: 1/10

Shocker the more experienced team played more with discipline when it mattered.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 21, 2018, 11:01:18 PM
Yeah, it's got nothing at all to do with them being a really good team or anything.

Shocker the more experienced team played more with discipline when it mattered.

No doubt they are good...funny though that a blatant non call on an obvious hold was a huge factor.  Jags needed to convert at the end - that's all on them


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 21, 2018, 11:04:05 PM
No doubt they are good...funny though that a blatant non call on an obvious hold was a huge factor.  Jags needed to convert at the end - that's all on them

Blatant holds get missed frequently in every game.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 22, 2018, 12:51:23 AM
I think this ones over ...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 22, 2018, 01:01:51 AM
I think this ones over ...

Yup


Embarrassing showing for the Vikes. 

Hate the Eagles...hate the patriots...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 22, 2018, 01:18:39 AM
Well this was a major letdown after last week  :(


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 22, 2018, 02:49:45 AM
I think this ones over ...

I am absolutely baffled by that NFC Championship. I expected a dog fight to the finish.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 22, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
I am absolutely baffled by that NFC Championship. I expected a dog fight to the finish.
. I was correct to how the games ended up other than picking the wrong winner in the NFC


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 22, 2018, 05:41:42 PM
Well this was a major letdown after last week  :(
the Vikings were trash! No class from Zimmer no post media interview? Guess he was pretty upset!

I can?t see the Patriots not winning it again! Eagles have stout O and D lines but the Pats were game plan for a solid win. I?ve lost count my how many SBs Brady would have now? 6,7?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 22, 2018, 06:08:39 PM
the Vikings were trash! No class from Zimmer no post media interview? Guess he was pretty upset!

I can?t see the Patriots not winning it again! Eagles have stout O and D lines but the Pats were game plan for a solid win. I?ve lost count my how many SBs Brady would have now? 6,7?

He did do a post-game presser last night. And he was pretty honest about how his team performed.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 22, 2018, 06:18:59 PM
Anyone else see Bellichick's post-game presser with the gun show and the tank top he was wearing? lol  :D 

I'd post a pic if I knew how to...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 22, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
. I was correct to how the games ended up other than picking the wrong winner in the NFC

LOL... are you kidding??  :D :D

You predicted 27-13 in the NFC final.... the final was 38-7.... that is not even close to being correct.  


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on January 22, 2018, 06:51:26 PM
LOL... are you kidding??  :D :D

You predicted 27-13 in the NFC final.... the final was 38-7.... that is not even close to being correct.  

I owe you bragging rights for thinking there's no way Philly scores more than 13 lmao


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 22, 2018, 07:34:42 PM
Anyone else see Bellichick's post-game presser with the gun show and the tank top he was wearing? lol  :D 

I'd post a pic if I knew how to...

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2018/01/22/bill-belichick-sleeveless-shirt-funny-tweets-patriots-super-bowl (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2018/01/22/bill-belichick-sleeveless-shirt-funny-tweets-patriots-super-bowl)

(https://cdn-s3.si.com/images/bill-belichick_2.jpg)

 :D :D :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 22, 2018, 07:46:38 PM
I owe you bragging rights for thinking there's no way Philly scores more than 13 lmao

Are you directing this at me?!  I actually said the opposite.  He said Philly only scores 13, and I told him that Philly should score more than 13 in the NFC Championship.  I think I predicted Philly scores 24 or 27.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 22, 2018, 07:47:16 PM
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2018/01/22/bill-belichick-sleeveless-shirt-funny-tweets-patriots-super-bowl (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2018/01/22/bill-belichick-sleeveless-shirt-funny-tweets-patriots-super-bowl)

(https://cdn-s3.si.com/images/bill-belichick_2.jpg)

 :D :D :D
The Gun-show!!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 22, 2018, 07:56:56 PM
The Gun-show!!

The one outside in his street clothes is better:



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 22, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
The one outside in his street clothes is better:

He's gotta be on roids with guns like that!   :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 22, 2018, 09:16:30 PM
I just watched the games on the PVR.  Does anyone else find it fishy that the Pats were totally outclassed until the last few minutes of the 1st half and then a really weak / non-existent PI gets called to take the Pats 50 yards down the field, helping them for a TD and momentum shift?

NFL doesn't even bother to replay those PI's because they are so weak / non-existent.  Commentators just go silent.  And then numerous blatant PI's against Pats later in the game are never called?

Is the NFL completely rigged?  Makes me want to puke almost as much as the penalty chicanery in last year's SB.  Can't wait to see how the refs/league rob the Eagles of any hope.  Makes me happy we have a much more honest CFL; and PI challenges so they can't be so blatant with the rigging.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 22, 2018, 09:21:03 PM
I just watched the games on the PVR.  Does anyone else find it fishy that the Pats were totally outclassed until the last few minutes of the 1st half and then a really weak / non-existent PI gets called to take the Pats 50 yards down the field, helping them for a TD and momentum shift?

NFL doesn't even bother to replay those PI's because they are so weak / non-existent.  Commentators just go silent.  And then numerous blatant PI's against Pats later in the game are never called?

Is the NFL completely rigged?  Makes me want to puke almost as much as the penalty chicanery in last year's SB.  Can't wait to see how the refs/league rob the Eagles of any hope.  Makes me happy we have a much more honest CFL; and PI challenges so they can't be so blatant with the rigging.

I don't disagree with you. The Patriots in the Super Bowl makes much more money for the NFL than the Jaguars do. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 22, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
I don't disagree with you. The Patriots in the Super Bowl makes much more money for the NFL than the Jaguars do. 

I would have loved to see a Jags/Eagles or Jags/Vikings (even better) SB!   :'(

That would have been fun, and the league/Vegas wouldn't have known who to rig it for so we could see some real football.  This year (and last) it just feels like CFL playoffs were way more fun to watch than NFL.  No wonder the NFL ratings are tanking.  It's just boring, predictable and (probably) rigged.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 22, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
I would have loved to see a Jags/Eagles or Jags/Vikings (even better) SB!   :'(

That would have been fun, and the league/Vegas wouldn't have known who to rig it for so we could see some real football.  This year (and last) it just feels like CFL playoffs were way more fun to watch than NFL.  No wonder the NFL ratings are tanking.  It's just boring, predictable and (probably) rigged.


The more we look into the politics and conspiracy theories, the more it takes the fun out of sport.  There is obvious a lot that goes on behind the scenes of big money, professional sports.  We can question and try to come up with all the conspiracy theories in the world.  Been there.  In the end there is nothing we can do about it, so we either need to choose to watch the sport and enjoy it, or not.

You are free to question and do whatever you want, just adding my 2 cents.... I used to question a lot more things, now, I just enjoy the sport for what it is, and cheer for my teams.... anything beyond my control is not worth worrying about.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 22, 2018, 11:05:24 PM
I just watched the games on the PVR.  Does anyone else find it fishy that the Pats were totally outclassed until the last few minutes of the 1st half and then a really weak / non-existent PI gets called to take the Pats 50 yards down the field, helping them for a TD and momentum shift?

NFL doesn't even bother to replay those PI's because they are so weak / non-existent.  Commentators just go silent.  And then numerous blatant PI's against Pats later in the game are never called?

Is the NFL completely rigged?  Makes me want to puke almost as much as the penalty chicanery in last year's SB.  Can't wait to see how the refs/league rob the Eagles of any hope.  Makes me happy we have a much more honest CFL; and PI challenges so they can't be so blatant with the rigging.

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/esq.h-cdn.co/assets/16/44/1478267802-screen-shot-2016-11-04-at-95622-am.png)

It's amazing the lengths to which some choose to go to discredit a professional sports team - the baseless conspiracy theories are always good for a laugh. And you're completely off base if you think officiating in the CFL is any better. There are chintzy/questionable/missed calls in just about every football game - in both leagues. To assert one team gets special treatment over another is ridiculous.

And if you truly believe the NFL is rigged and no fun to watch, it seems rather odd to to tune in or PVR it, much less watch the entire game.

What "penalty chicanery" was there in Super Bowl LI? ???


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 22, 2018, 11:50:55 PM
There?s a former NBA ref in prison for fixing games. Don?t dismiss those who believe in games being fixed. It happens.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 23, 2018, 01:12:59 AM
Yup, I have my official tin foil hat here.  I won't deny that.

Chris1982 is right, gotta just accept it and sit back and enjoy it, rigged or not.  Or like blue_gold_84 suggests, stop watching it.  I only watch the NFL playoffs anyhow...

I just wanted to throw out a feeler to see if others noticed the same things.  Some do, some don't.  The guys I watched it with sure did.  But maybe it's just us.

I think the NFL decided not to follow CFL with challengeable PI for precisely this reason... there's no better way to rapidly sway a game than 50yd PI's for the Pats, and giving no beneficial PIs to the opposition, while still giving an air of legitimacy.  "Refs just missed it."  "Refs just made an honest mistake."

And I find the dearth of replays on NFL games puzzling, unless it's done for a reason.  It's not like they don't have the time during the takes-forever 30s play clock intervals.  CFL/TSN does it waaay better.  Replays on nearly everything remotely close, and multiple angles.  Even in tempo O they'll go back a play or two once there's time if it's important (including every single PI).  NFL, almost nothing, except on TDs and circus catches.  Weird?  Or for a reason?

Again, I'm no NFL expert.  I'm just going by what I've seen in the past 3-4 weeks, and last year's post-season.  These are my gut reactions, and ones that other casual watchers might share.  Doesn't mean I'm right.  But it leaves a bad taste.

At least the Eagles are so bad (relatively) that they probably won't have to resort to chicanery to get the Pats to win this SB!  In fact, the challenge will be to make it close so people don't get bored by halftime.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 23, 2018, 07:11:20 AM
C'mon, leave the ref's alone.  There's only a couple of them on the field, they can't see everything.  The payers are so fast, how can you expect them to pick up on every little infraction.  And, they have to be on thier toes to get out of the way so they don't get pancaked, or used as a pick on routes...

And heck, they're volunteers!  Its not like they get paid or anything for doing this...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on January 23, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
Are you directing this at me?!  I actually said the opposite.  He said Philly only scores 13, and I told him that Philly should score more than 13 in the NFC Championship.  I think I predicted Philly scores 24 or 27.

Yes, and I asked how you could justify Philly scoring more than 13. And then you proved to be right.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 23, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
Yes, and I asked how you could justify Philly scoring more than 13. And then you proved to be right.

Oh sorry... thanks for the cudos  :) :)  I thought you were being sarcastic cuz you put the "lmao"  ;) :P


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 27, 2018, 04:54:07 PM
Low scoring super bowl I believe 17-10 Pats


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 28, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
Low scoring super bowl I believe 17-10 Pats

Bold prediction.  The Pats only scored under 20 points once in 16 regular season games this year.  The average Patriots game saw them win 28-19 this year.  Hard to see the Pats holding the Eagles to only 10 points.

I think it is going to be more of a 27-24 or 24-21 final. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 28, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
Bold prediction.  The Pats only scored under 20 points once in 16 regular season games this year.  The average Patriots game saw them win 28-19 this year.  Hard to see the Pats holding the Eagles to only 10 points.

I think it is going to be more of a 27-24 or 24-21 final. 
I think both Defences will step up. The Pats D is grossly underestimated and will have strong showing. BB will have a game plan to stop the eagles running game and Foles will be weak. The eagles D has that awesome DL and LB corps. That?s just the feeling I have for this one.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 28, 2018, 05:04:21 PM
I think both Defences will step up. The Pats D is grossly underestimated and will have strong showing. BB will have a game plan to stop the eagles running game and Foles will be weak. The eagles D has that awesome DL and LB corps. That?s just the feeling I have for this one.

Like I say, BOLD prediction.  I will stick with my 27-24 or 24-21 final. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 28, 2018, 07:34:41 PM
Anyone else watching the Pro Bowl?  Sure is raining hard.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 28, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Anyone else watching the Pro Bowl?  Sure is raining hard.

Gotta go peel some potatoes for supper...time better spent...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 28, 2018, 08:17:50 PM
Anyone else watching the Pro Bowl?  Sure is raining hard.

The pro bowl is a joke and a mockery of professional football.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 28, 2018, 08:26:59 PM
Gotta go peel some potatoes for supper...time better spent...
I prefer mashed potatoes with the skin on.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 28, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
The pro bowl is a joke and a mockery of professional football.

I was at the last Pro Bowl in Hawaii a few years ago and they had receivers playing DB near the end of the game  :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 28, 2018, 08:35:36 PM
I was at the last Pro Bowl in Hawaii a few years ago and they had receivers playing DB near the end of the game  :D

I have also been to the pro bowl and the energy at the game is that of a high school game. Just a big drinking party with barely anyone paying attention to the actual game.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 28, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
I prefer mashed potatoes with the skin on.

Maybe he is making potato salad, or scalloped  :D :D ;) ;)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 28, 2018, 09:28:01 PM
Maybe he is making potato salad, or scalloped  :D :D ;) ;)
Both are great with the skin on! 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 28, 2018, 09:30:39 PM
I would rather peel than scrub and wash. Sometimes I will go with the smaller potatoes that are already washed then go more for the "smashed potatoes" with peel on.  Tonight is more traditional mashed potatoes, gravy, chicken and carrots. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 28, 2018, 09:52:27 PM
I would rather peel than scrub and wash. Sometimes I will go with the smaller potatoes that are already washed then go more for the "smashed potatoes" with peel on.  Tonight is more traditional mashed potatoes, gravy, chicken and carrots. 

A little honey dill sauce on steamed carrots is amazing.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on January 28, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
A little honey dill sauce on steamed carrots is amazing.

Butter with honey is actually on the carrots right now


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on January 30, 2018, 05:12:18 PM
A little honey dill sauce on steamed carrots is amazing.


I wouldn't waste good honey dill sauce on steamed carrots.

Reserved for french fries and chicken nuggets.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on January 30, 2018, 07:48:51 PM

I wouldn't waste good honey dill sauce on steamed carrots.

Reserved for french fries and chicken nuggets.

Not sure if you knew this, but I actually have mastered making honey dill sauce at home. Waaaay cheaper than the premade stuff and it's super easy. Therefore, you can abuse it on something gross and healthy like carrots. I'll have to have you over to try it soon-- except on chicken fingers and fries of course.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 30, 2018, 10:27:06 PM
Not sure if you knew this, but I actually have mastered making honey dill sauce at home. Waaaay cheaper than the premade stuff and it's super easy. Therefore, you can abuse it on something gross and healthy like carrots. I'll have to have you over to try it soon-- except on chicken fingers and fries of course.

The 3 ingredients are obvious... the amount of dill usually does not make a difference... mastering the honey to mayo ratio, that is the hard part.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on January 30, 2018, 10:48:47 PM
The 3 ingredients are obvious... the amount of dill usually does not make a difference... mastering the honey to mayo ratio, that is the hard part.

Mayo or miracle whip?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 31, 2018, 02:52:16 AM
Mayo or miracle whip?

I've used both and the difference is negligible. My preference is Hellman's mayonnaise, though.

In football news, Chiefs trade QB Smith to the Redskins: https://www.tsn.ca/report-chiefs-agree-to-deal-smith-to-washington-1.983541 (https://www.tsn.ca/report-chiefs-agree-to-deal-smith-to-washington-1.983541)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 31, 2018, 07:45:18 AM
I've used both and the difference is negligible. My preference is Hellman's mayonnaise, though.

In football news, Chiefs trade QB Smith to the Redskins: https://www.tsn.ca/report-chiefs-agree-to-deal-smith-to-washington-1.983541 (https://www.tsn.ca/report-chiefs-agree-to-deal-smith-to-washington-1.983541)

No surprises here as Cousins was already on his way out of Washington, and Chiefs were planning to go with Mahomes next year.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 31, 2018, 09:08:41 AM
Mayo or miracle whip?

Makes a difference to me.  I find Miracle Whip is more of a dressing and has a tangy flavour.  I prefer mayo as its creamier and makes it thicker.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on January 31, 2018, 01:10:54 PM
The 3 ingredients are obvious... the amount of dill usually does not make a difference... mastering the honey to mayo ratio, that is the hard part.

I agree, but I've made creamier (more mayo) and sweeter (more honey) and while different, both are great. I think adding a lot of dill makes it better.

I'm a mayo guy, who has been converted from Miracle Whip.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on January 31, 2018, 01:12:24 PM
I like Hellmann's mayonnaise. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on January 31, 2018, 01:25:13 PM
I like Hellmann's mayonnaise. 

No surprises here.  Most people do.  95% of the mayos on the market use SOYBEAN OIL, which is cheaper... Hellmans uses CANOLA OIL, which is why it tastes better.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 31, 2018, 01:32:56 PM
I like Hellmann's mayonnaise. 

The best mayonnaise, IMO.

Ever add sriracha and make spicy mayo? ;D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 31, 2018, 10:03:05 PM
I?m hosting my 17th annual SB/Poker party

We?ll have everything from pizza wings nachos popcorn chips of all kinds fruit and vegetables dish sliders and more....


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2018, 03:04:16 AM
Anyone see the game?  Did I miss anything?  Were the commercials any good?  Timberlake?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: ModAdmin on February 05, 2018, 03:07:24 AM
Great game.  Close throughout and the right team won.  Most unusual stat....QB threw for 505 yards and lost the game.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 05, 2018, 08:34:15 AM
Anyone see the game?  Did I miss anything?  Were the commercials any good?  Timberlake?

Timberlake was pretty good.  Had a lot of energy and put on a good show.  Somehow he managed to fit every one of his post-NSync hits into about 15 minutes.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2018, 02:21:46 PM
So, I PVR'd the game and watched it, and the recording ended with 2 minutes to go... sigh..

Other than that, it was a great game, very CFL in feel.  Saw a stat that showed the average length of play for both teams combined was over 9 yards, who says defense wins championships?

And when you think a team is going to win with offense, and a HOF QB throws for over 500 yards, 3 TDs and no picks, you'd think they'd win, right?

Welcome to the CFL boys.

Its funny, the running gag on the late night shows was exactly the same all week... wondering if the city of Philadelphia was going to be ransacked by angry Eagles fans, or happt Eagles fans...  well, I guess we get the happy fans, stage diving off the awning at the Ritz Carleton...


https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/960367875402977280 (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/960367875402977280)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jockitch on February 05, 2018, 05:41:05 PM
It was over the top for entertainment ....... mostly due to amazing offensive performances.
Last years comeback win was highly exciting ..... believe this matched that game overall ......... only 1 punt in total.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 05, 2018, 10:39:53 PM
The Super Bowl was a classic

Foles played awesome Brady didn?t

The Manning Beckham ?Dirty Dancing? commercial was the funniest thing I?ve seen in years!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2018, 03:45:48 AM
So, Josh McDaniels passes on the Colts HC position after agreeing to it.  Apparently Kraft upped the ante...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2018, 04:19:38 AM
So, Josh McDaniels passes on the Colts HC position after agreeing to it.  Apparently Kraft upped the ante...

McDanielsGate.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 07, 2018, 07:07:20 AM
So, Josh McDaniels passes on the Colts HC position after agreeing to it.  Apparently Kraft upped the ante...

McDaniels would be the perfect candidate to take over for Bellichick after he retires, and it looks like Kratf wants to make sure that happens.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 07, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
McDaniels would be the perfect candidate to take over for Bellichick after he retires, and it looks like Kratf wants to make sure that happens.
McD better because he?s now pretty much black listed as potential HC on any other team. Patriots are becoming oftly annoying even for me. They come across as dooosh bags and it?s starts with Kraft.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2018, 01:34:23 PM
McD better because he?s now pretty much black listed as potential HC on any other team. Patriots are becoming oftly annoying even for me. They come across as dooosh bags and it?s starts with Kraft.

Not sure how he's blacklisted... you want to coach a 4-12 team, or wait to take over the Pats?  Ask Dave Dickenson about that... how long did he hang in CGY when other HC jobs were available?

Sure, he was a little dooshey about how it happened, but you know Kraft waited for the last second to rip the rug out from under the Colts.  McD's new deal in NE must be pretty sweet...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2018, 01:39:54 PM
McD better because he?s now pretty much black listed as potential HC on any other team. Patriots are becoming oftly annoying even for me. They come across as dooosh bags and it?s starts with Kraft.

Or just the Colts. And besides, who'd want to go to that dumpster fire of an organization right now, anyway? Kraft clearly sweetened the pot to retain him. I'm not sure how that makes anyone a "dooosh bag," though. The NFL is a cutthroat business.

And quite frankly, this couldn't have happened to a more deserving organization.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/268784/all-the-questions-left-for-the-colts-in-the-josh-mcdaniels-fallout (http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/268784/all-the-questions-left-for-the-colts-in-the-josh-mcdaniels-fallout)



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 07, 2018, 02:59:16 PM
Or just the Colts. And besides, who'd want to go to that dumpster fire of an organization right now, anyway? Kraft clearly sweetened the pot to retain him. I'm not sure how that makes anyone a "dooosh bag," though. The NFL is a cutthroat business.

And quite frankly, this couldn't have happened to a more deserving organization.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/268784/all-the-questions-left-for-the-colts-in-the-josh-mcdaniels-fallout (http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/268784/all-the-questions-left-for-the-colts-in-the-josh-mcdaniels-fallout)
I disagree. I'd say his reputation is tarnished around the entire league. He's just proven that he is man who does not keep his word, and I don't think that can be disputed.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on February 07, 2018, 03:04:08 PM
Not sure how he's blacklisted... you want to coach a 4-12 team, or wait to take over the Pats?  Ask Dave Dickenson about that... how long did he hang in CGY when other HC jobs were available?

Sure, he was a little dooshey about how it happened, but you know Kraft waited for the last second to rip the rug out from under the Colts.  McD's new deal in NE must be pretty sweet...

The 4-12 team with Andrew Luck as QB. Belichick+Brady is what makes the Patriots good. By the time there is an opening at HC neither will be there. The Patriots are not going to be a good team once that happens.

On the other hand, McDaniels makes for a horrible head coach. Once he does get another shot at it he'll likely get 2-3 years before he's booted again, might get some more years as an OC before people realize he's no good at that either and then he'll be either out of football or at least be making substantially less money doing so. Might as well take a few more years as the Patriots OC at what is more than likely close to or more than your average HC pay before that happens.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 07, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
I disagree. I'd say his reputation is tarnished around the entire league. He's just proven that he is man who does not keep his word, and I don't think that can be disputed.

He hung them out to dry and burned them badly. Not to say someone else won't hire him, but they're definitely going to have something in writing next time.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2018, 05:17:25 PM
He hung them out to dry and burned them badly. Not to say someone else won't hire him, but they're definitely going to have something in writing next time.

You have to admit, it was pretty silly to announce a deal before you have it in writing.  The Colts GM wanted to get out in front of it, having scooped up a coach that has been to the Superbowl a number of times, that has been running Tom Brady.  He let the cat out of the bag before he had the deal done, and let Kraft screw him. 

I don't feel at all sorry for him, and I don't fault McD for taking a better deal from Kraft.  The biggest thing I see is that with Kraft, he knows he has an owner that is going to pony up the cash.  He may not have Brady, but he's going to have a team that is not hamstrung by budget.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 07, 2018, 05:45:36 PM
Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 07, 2018, 06:02:30 PM
You have to admit, it was pretty silly to announce a deal before you have it in writing.  The Colts GM wanted to get out in front of it, having scooped up a coach that has been to the Superbowl a number of times, that has been running Tom Brady.  He let the cat out of the bag before he had the deal done, and let Kraft screw him. 

I don't feel at all sorry for him, and I don't fault McD for taking a better deal from Kraft.  The biggest thing I see is that with Kraft, he knows he has an owner that is going to pony up the cash.  He may not have Brady, but he's going to have a team that is not hamstrung by budget.

The fact that they announced it really doesn't enter into the equation. The guy told him he would be their head coach and then at the 11th hour decided he wouldn't. In the meantime, most of the other coaches that interviewed for the job agreed to other gigs. There are only three weeks until the combine. Coaches that had agreed to be on McDaniels staff are now stuck in limbo (to Indy's credit they say they'll honour them) but who knows what will happen when they find a coach. McDaniels screwed up. He either shouldn't have said he'd take the job if he wasn't sure, but when he did, he shouldn't have walked it back. Obviously, you don't see anything wrong with the situation because you go against the grain on virtually everything but that doesn't make it any less so.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2018, 06:03:24 PM
I disagree. I'd say his reputation is tarnished around the entire league. He's just proven that he is man who does not keep his word, and I don't think that can be disputed.

While I agree this reflects poorly on him, I don't think he's been blacklisted across the entire league. Circumstances changed and he chose to do what's probably best for him - the same as any other coach. I don't think he's the guy to get the Colts on track, anyway. He just doesn't come across as HC material yet, IMO. And his job security as OC with the Patriots is basically guaranteed.

The Colts organization should've waited to go public until McDaniels actually signed a contract. They look silly here for making an announcement based on a verbal agreement.

Considering the recent history between the Colts and the Patriots, I'm not surprised at how this played out.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on February 07, 2018, 06:07:23 PM
While I agree this reflects poorly on him, I don't think he's been blacklisted across the entire league. Circumstances changed and he chose to do what's probably best for him - the same as any other coach. I don't think he's the guy to get the Colts on track, anyway. He just doesn't come across as HC material yet, IMO. And his job security as OC with the Patriots is basically guaranteed.

The Colts organization should've waited to go public until McDaniels actually signed a contract. They look silly here for making an announcement based on a verbal agreement.

Considering the recent history between the Colts and the Patriots, I'm not surprised at how this played out.



He didn't tell any of the assistant coaches he had lined up he was going to back out, at least one of which had left his previous job to join him in Indianapolis.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2018, 06:12:44 PM
He didn't tell any of the assistant coaches he had lined up he was going to back out, at least one of which had left his previous job to join him in Indianapolis.

I know. Hence my comment saying this turn of events reflects poorly on him. There's no excuse: he could've handled it much better than he did.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2018, 09:32:06 PM
Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels.

That's short sighted, McD obviously is getting paid, and the agent still gets his cut.  I'd wait for teh cheque to clear, and then dump him ;)

He didn't tell any of the assistant coaches he had lined up he was going to back out, at least one of which had left his previous job to join him in Indianapolis.

That sucks, but again, leaving a job before your new one is assured, you must not be happy with your old job anyway...  No reason a guy needs to quit early, wait for the firm offer before you tell you boss to that this job and shovel it...


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on February 07, 2018, 10:23:00 PM
That sucks, but again, leaving a job before your new one is assured, you must not be happy with your old job anyway...  No reason a guy needs to quit early, wait for the firm offer before you tell you boss to that this job and shovel it...

This isn't factual whatsoever


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2018, 02:31:16 AM
This isn't factual whatsoever

How so?  If yo are happy with your job, you wait until you have pen to paper to quit.  If you aren't, first opportunity, you bail.  I know, I've been there.  Quitting your job to go work for someone that hasn't even signed his own deal is kinda risky... dontcha think?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2018, 02:06:36 PM
How so?  If yo are happy with your job, you wait until you have pen to paper to quit.  If you aren't, first opportunity, you bail.  I know, I've been there.  Quitting your job to go work for someone that hasn't even signed his own deal is kinda risky... dontcha think?

You're a little bit people challenged aren't you?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on February 08, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
How so?  If yo are happy with your job, you wait until you have pen to paper to quit.  If you aren't, first opportunity, you bail.  I know, I've been there.  Quitting your job to go work for someone that hasn't even signed his own deal is kinda risky... dontcha think?

They did have pen to paper, McDaniels is the one that had to wait until his team was no longer actively involved in the current season to sign the contract he had already agreed to. The assistants he lined up from other teams didn't have to.

Keep spouting off nonsense though when you don't even know what happened.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 08, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
49ers re-up Garoppolo to a whopper of a contract: https://www.tsn.ca/report-49ers-sign-garoppolo-to-record-deal-1.992434 (https://www.tsn.ca/report-49ers-sign-garoppolo-to-record-deal-1.992434)

Quote
The San Francisco 49ers have reportedly signed quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to a record-breaking contract.

According to Mike Garafolo of NFL Network, the 49ers have signed the quarterback to a five-year, $137.5 million contract.


Looks like the Niners have found their QB. Wow!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 08, 2018, 08:06:10 PM
49ers re-up Garoppolo to a whopper of a contract: https://www.tsn.ca/report-49ers-sign-garoppolo-to-record-deal-1.992434 (https://www.tsn.ca/report-49ers-sign-garoppolo-to-record-deal-1.992434)

Looks like the Niners have found their QB. Wow!
Great news for Aaron Rodgers!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 10, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
Great news for Aaron Rodgers!

Especially for Kirk Cousins.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 10, 2018, 05:44:52 PM
Especially for Kirk Cousins.
and Drew Brees


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 10, 2018, 06:25:50 PM
and Drew Brees

LOL - Brees wont get more than a 2 year deal.... no way this massive contract to Garrapolo has much impact on Brees.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 10, 2018, 10:18:57 PM
Great news for Aaron Rodgers!

Not sure how this impacts Rodgers right now at all... he is signed up until 2020.... he makes 20 million per season in 2018 and 2019.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 10, 2018, 11:27:14 PM
LOL - Brees wont get more than a 2 year deal.... no way this massive contract to Garrapolo has much impact on Brees.

I?d love to have you eat you comments


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 10, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
Not sure how this impacts Rodgers right now at all... he is signed up until 2020.... he makes 20 million per season in 2018 and 2019.

A good analysis here: https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/2/8/16993200/what-does-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-mean-for-aaron-rodgers-future-deal


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 11, 2018, 01:00:18 AM
A good analysis here: https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/2/8/16993200/what-does-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-mean-for-aaron-rodgers-future-deal

This article is very speculative and biased.

The guy who wrote this is a biased Packers fan who is pretty much just stating the obvious - that supply and demand talented QBs contracts continue to increase.

He speculates about "waiting" til maybe Ryan or Wilson get their new contracts, which could be 2 years from now, and he also mentions his "theoretical" 5 year deal for Rodgers.  And "if they want to wait to maximize".

With the logic of this being great news for Rodgers, you could also use that same logic and replace Rodgers name with pretty much any other good QB who is due for a new contract in the next 3 years.

Kirk Cousins is next up in line for a contract, which is why he should be the happiest right now. 

Any real NFL fan can see this guy just has his head up Rodgers *** about as far as it can go.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 11, 2018, 01:09:02 AM
This article is very speculative and biased.

The guy who wrote this is a biased Packers fan who is pretty much just stating the obvious - that supply and demand talented QBs contracts continue to increase.

He speculates about "waiting" til maybe Ryan or Wilson get their new contracts, which could be 2 years from now, and he also mentions his "theoretical" 5 year deal for Rodgers.  And "if they want to wait to maximize".

With the logic of this being great news for Rodgers, you could also use that same logic and replace Rodgers name with pretty much any other good QB who is due for a new contract in the next 3 years.

Kirk Cousins is next up in line for a contract, which is why he should be the happiest right now. 

Any real NFL fan can see this guy just has his head up Rodgers *** about as far as it can go.


Cool, you disagree with the article. I happen to think it?s a pretty intelligent look at the QB landscape over the next few years and how the Garoppolo contract impacts other upcoming QB contracts, including Rodgers, especially related to guaranteed money. Pretty interesting how Rodgers and his agent might be looking at a contract for Rodgers directly linked to increases in the cap. While it certainly impacts Cousins immediately, only looking at the next QB up is taking a very short term perspective on the issue.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on February 11, 2018, 01:18:22 AM
Cool, you disagree with the article. I happen to think it?s a pretty intelligent look at the QB landscape over the next few years and how the Garoppolo contract impacts other upcoming QB contracts, including Rodgers, especially related to guaranteed money. Pretty interesting how Rodgers and his agent might be looking at a contract for Rodgers directly linked to increases in the cap. While it certainly impacts Cousins immediately, only looking at the next QB up is taking a very short term perspective on the issue.

Yes.  I agree.  That was the point that I made in my previous statement.  That it relates to other upcoming QB contracts, especially for guaranteed money. 

I can see why the writer singled out Rodgers (because he writes for the Packers), but I did not understand as to why you singled out Rodgers, when it can be related to numerous QBs in the NFL.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 23, 2018, 09:19:08 PM
From Rotoworld:

Former Dolphins and 49ers OL Jonathan Martin has been taken into police custody after posting a disturbing image on Instagram of a shotgun and ammunition, threatening "suicide" and/or "revenge".

Martin was the famous victim of "Bullygate" while with the Dolphins back in 2013. In the photo he posted on Friday, Martin wrote, "When you're a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide, or revenge." In the photo, there was a shotgun and several rounds of shells lying on a bed, and Martin tagged former Dolphins teammates OG Richie Incognito and C Mike Pouncey. Martin also tagged two others, presumably from his old high school, while also tagging the #MiamiDolphins and #HarvardWestlake, his high school. Harvard Westlake subsequently shut down its campus after seeing the image. Martin was then taken into custody shortly after. The 28-year-old hasn't played in the NFL since 2014 and clearly has some mental issues. Thankfully, it didn't turn ugly.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 28, 2018, 10:46:51 PM
Packers president Mark Murphy said the team is working on an extension for Aaron Rodgers.
Rodgers became the league's highest-paid player when he signed a five-year, $110 million extension in 2013. He has since outplayed that deal and is now the sixth-highest-paid quarterback. The expectation is Rodgers' new deal will surpass the $27.5 million per year that Jimmy Garoppolo got from the 49ers earlier this year. Rodgers is still technically in his prime at 34 years old.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on February 28, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
Matt Forte retired today.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 28, 2018, 11:09:16 PM
Matt Forte retired today.

Who? Don?t you mean the Kia Forte?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 09, 2018, 10:08:12 PM
Browns traded for Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on March 10, 2018, 07:59:31 PM
Browns traded for Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor.

And like 8 others.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 11, 2018, 12:39:03 PM
49ers sign Sherman to a 3 year deal worth 39 million.  Should be interesting to see him play his former team twice a year.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: KINGCHARLES on March 11, 2018, 01:16:30 PM
Browns traded for Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor.
Browns are going to shock people this year and actually win some regular season games.....I predict at least a 6-10 record for them. Tyrod Taylor has an amazing slot WR with Landry, deep threat with Gordon(showed flashes of 2013 Josh Gordon that led the NFL in receiving yards). They should draft Barkley which should be this years Kareem Hunt/ Ezekiel Elliott at RB. They've been drafting top defensive players for the last few years. Lets see if they can sign anymore big name FA offensive or defensive players.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 11, 2018, 01:33:00 PM
Browns are going to shock people this year and actually win some regular season games.....I predict at least a 6-10 record for them. Tyrod Taylor has an amazing slot WR with Landry, deep threat with Gordon(showed flashes of 2013 Josh Gordon that led the NFL in receiving yards). They should draft Barkley which should be this years Kareem Hunt/ Ezekiel Elliott at RB. They've been drafting top defensive players for the last few years. Lets see if they can sign anymore big name FA offensive or defensive players.
Browns have some great receivers, but Tyrod Taylor really struggles with accuracy. He?s a decent bridge QB I guess, until the QB they draft is ready for prime time. But I agree, the Browns will win some games.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 11, 2018, 02:43:09 PM
Browns are going to shock people this year and actually win some regular season games.....I predict at least a 6-10 record for them. Tyrod Taylor has an amazing slot WR with Landry, deep threat with Gordon(showed flashes of 2013 Josh Gordon that led the NFL in receiving yards). They should draft Barkley which should be this years Kareem Hunt/ Ezekiel Elliott at RB. They've been drafting top defensive players for the last few years. Lets see if they can sign anymore big name FA offensive or defensive players.

Sorry - but your Kareem Hunt - Ezekiel Elliot comparison to Barkley is WAY off.  Kareem Hunt and Ezekiel Elliot came into the league in completely different situations.  Elliot was drafted as a top prospect and had tons of expectations.  Kareem Hunt was a later round pick as an unknown player.  Barkley is in the same situation as Elliot was, but Kareem Hunt was nowhere near in the same situation. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on March 11, 2018, 02:55:47 PM
I have no hate for the Browns - hope they do ok. 

Barkley is a beast and if the Browns don?t snag him they are fools and deserve to lose.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 11, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
I have no hate for the Browns - hope they do ok. 

Barkley is a beast and if the Browns don?t snag him they are fools and deserve to lose.

I agree - Barkley is definitely worth their while.... hopefully the Browns arent jaded from the last time they took a RB this high in the draft.... we all remember how that turned out!! 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on March 11, 2018, 07:25:40 PM
Browns are going to shock people this year and actually win some regular season games.....

Where did I miss the news of Hue Jackson getting fired?


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 12, 2018, 02:50:01 AM
49ers sign Sherman to a 3 year deal worth 39 million.  Should be interesting to see him play his former team twice a year.

All the heads exploding in Seattle over this development is pretty hilarious.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 12, 2018, 09:53:17 AM
All the heads exploding in Seattle over this development is pretty hilarious.

This is probably the most unpredictable division in the NFL - and has been for the past few years.  This is probably the only division in the NFL where all 4 teams have been solid Super Bowl "contenders" or have almost played in the Super Bowl in the past 5 seasons.  San Francisco played Super Bowl in 2013, Seattle played in Super Bowl in 2014 and 2015, Arizona Cardinals played in NFC Championship in 2016, and LA Rams strong emergence last year made them contenders going into the playoffs.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 12, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
Adrian Peterson released this morning.  Will be interesting to see if anyone bites and pays him the veteran minimum.  I personally think his time in the NFL is done.  He should be a HOF candidate. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 13, 2018, 04:11:01 PM
Wow! Kirk Cousins to sign fully-guaranteed 3-year deal worth $86M

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35871/kirk-cousins-might-be-aberration-but-fully-guaranteed-deal-would-alter-landscape


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 13, 2018, 07:30:26 PM
Packers sign Jimmy Graham and release Jordy Nelson!  Wow  :o


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 13, 2018, 07:42:25 PM
Wow! Kirk Cousins to sign fully-guaranteed 3-year deal worth $86M

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35871/kirk-cousins-might-be-aberration-but-fully-guaranteed-deal-would-alter-landscape

This is huge.  Vikings needed this.  With Keenum signing in Denver and Bridgewater most likely heading to the Jets, they needed to sign a QB. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 13, 2018, 07:48:47 PM
Brees signed 2 years, 50 million (27 million guaranteed) to stay with the Saints.  Reports say another team, most likely the Vikings, offered him 2 years, 60 million (all 60 million guaranteed).  Looks like Brees gave the Saints a team discount. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 13, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
Looks like Bradford is signing with the Cardinals, too. One year worth $20M, $15M guaranteed.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 13, 2018, 08:06:29 PM
Looks like Bradford is signing with the Cardinals, too. One year worth $20M, $15M guaranteed.

Cardinals really need to draft a QB.  They rode Carson Palmer into the ground and literally groomed nobody along the way.  Now they are stuck with Bradford and nobody.  With the Cardinals having 15th pick in the draft, they will probably have to settle for a guy like Lamar Jackson, unless they trade up to get Allen or Darnold.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on March 13, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
Never thought I'd see so much guaranteed money flying around. Times are changing (at least for QBs) in the NFL.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 13, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
Looks like Bradford is signing with the Cardinals, too. One year worth $20M, $15M guaranteed.
Decent QB but his knee concerns me. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 13, 2018, 08:19:10 PM
Brees signed 2 years, 50 million (27 million guaranteed) to stay with the Saints.  Reports say another team, most likely the Vikings, offered him 2 years, 60 million (all 60 million guaranteed).  Looks like Brees gave the Saints a team discount. 
Brees on the Vikings sure would have been interesting.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 13, 2018, 08:22:40 PM
Apparently Josh McCown has been told he will be the Jets starting QB in 2018.  Did Bridgewater not also sign with the Jets or is that just a rumor? 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 13, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
Apparently Josh McCown has been told he will be the Jets starting QB in 2018.  Did Bridgewater not also sign with the Jets or is that just a rumor? 

So far it is just a rumor.  No way McCown is the starter for the entire year. Jets are forsure going to draft a QB this year, most likely Josh Rosen, who will probably be the starter before mid-season.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 14, 2018, 07:42:59 AM
McCown`s hold on the starting QB job pretty much already gone.  If he actually begins the season as the starter, his leash will be very short.

Former Vikings quarterback Teddy Bridgewater plans to sign a one-year contract with the New York Jets when the new league year officially begins Wednesday, per @mortreport and @diannaESPN.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 14, 2018, 12:15:33 PM
Wow.  49ers massively overpay Jerrick McKinnon on a 4 year deal worth 30 million.  He is now the 4th highest paid running back in the NFL.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 14, 2018, 12:29:34 PM
Wow.  49ers massively overpay Jerrick McKinnon on a 4 year deal worth 30 million.  He is now the 4th highest paid running back in the NFL.
Seems everyone is getting overpaid.  I'm seeing mediocre receivers get 10 million per year  :o


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on March 14, 2018, 12:31:38 PM
Wow.  49ers massively overpay Jerrick McKinnon on a 4 year deal worth 30 million.  He is now the 4th highest paid running back in the NFL.

he isn't worth that...although if someone pays it I guess he is...great pass catcher out of the backfield..


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 14, 2018, 01:31:29 PM
he isn't worth that...although if someone pays it I guess he is...great pass catcher out of the backfield..

Exactly.  Thats why I said he is massively overpaid.  I think the 49ers panicked when they lost Carlos Hyde to the Browns.  Rumor is that the 49ers wanted Dion Lewis, but he signed with Tennessee instead.  Solid move by Tennessee.... Henry and Lewis will be a good Thunder and Lightning combo. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 14, 2018, 01:36:42 PM
Rumor has it that Jordy Nelson will sign with Raiders, and subsequently cut Michael Crabtree.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on March 14, 2018, 01:45:58 PM
Wow.  49ers massively overpay Jerrick McKinnon on a 4 year deal worth 30 million.  He is now the 4th highest paid running back in the NFL.

He obviously isn't worth that based on his performance to date, but I think he'll be a really good fit for SF. Think they have a chance at getting decent value for that money.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 14, 2018, 02:11:20 PM
Le'Veon Bell $14,544,000
Devonta Freeman $8,250,000
LeSean McCoy $8,000,000
Jerick McKinnon    $7,500,000
Leonard Fournette $6,787,711
Lamar Miller $6,500,000
Ezekiel Elliott $6,239,085
Giovani Bernard $5,166,667
Dion Lewis $5,000,000
Carlos Hyde $5,000,000


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 14, 2018, 03:26:15 PM
From Schefter: Former Packers' WR Jordy Nelson in demand:

Visiting Raiders today, then scheduled to visit the Seattle Seahawks, then the New Orleans Saints, per source.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 15, 2018, 07:31:13 PM
Nelson signs 2-year, $15M contract with the Raiders; Raiders release WR Crabtree.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 15, 2018, 08:26:04 PM
Nelson signs 2-year, $15M contract with the Raiders; Raiders release WR Crabtree.

Raiders also sign Doug Martin - wondering where that leaves Marshawn Lynch.  Rumor is that Lynch will stay with the Raiders - interesting to see how that plays out.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 15, 2018, 08:39:12 PM
Nelson signs 2-year, $15M contract with the Raiders; Raiders release WR Crabtree.
At this stage in Nelson's career, I'm not so sure that's an upgrade. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 15, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
At this stage in Nelson's career, I'm not so sure that's an upgrade. 

Nelson and Crabtree are pretty much at the same stage of their careers.  Nelson started in 2008, Crabtree in 2009.  Personally, I dont think the Raiders see Nelson as an upgrade, and more as a "roll of the dice".  I dont think they are happy with Crabtree, so they are going to test their luck with Nelson.  More of a boom or bust, in my opinion.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 17, 2018, 09:19:42 AM
Nelson and Crabtree are pretty much at the same stage of their careers.  Nelson started in 2008, Crabtree in 2009.  Personally, I dont think the Raiders see Nelson as an upgrade, and more as a "roll of the dice".  I dont think they are happy with Crabtree, so they are going to test their luck with Nelson.  More of a boom or bust, in my opinion.

Crabtree rebounds and signs 3 year deal with Baltimore.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on March 17, 2018, 04:13:58 PM
I think Nelson is done. He cannot stay healthy anymore


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 17, 2018, 06:40:08 PM
I think Nelson is done. He cannot stay healthy anymore

I can not figure out how you came to that conclusion.  He has only missed 1 game total in the last 4 years.  You must be thinking of someone else.  Sure his production is down and he is not nearly as effective, but he never misses games.



Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on March 17, 2018, 07:12:00 PM
I can not figure out how you came to that conclusion.  He has only missed 1 game total in the last 4 years.  You must be thinking of someone else.  Sure his production is down and he is not nearly as effective, but he never misses games.



He missed the entire 2015 season


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 17, 2018, 07:13:52 PM
He missed the entire 2015 season

Right.  My bad.  He did recover well though and played the entire 2 seasons following that injury (save last game of last season). 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on March 17, 2018, 07:17:08 PM
Right.  My bad.  He did recover well though and played the entire 2 seasons following that injury (save last game of last season). 

And last year he didn?t have Rogers for most of it.  I think he has one maybe two more good seasons in him.  If he can get a good connection with Carr going he will be ok


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 17, 2018, 08:11:52 PM
And last year he didn?t have Rogers for most of it.  I think he has one maybe two more good seasons in him.  If he can get a good connection with Carr going he will be ok

Yeah, agreed.  Like I said before, I dont think the Raiders signed him in hopes of him being their savior.  They havent been happy with Crabtree for a while, so I think they just needed a temporary filler to cover his snaps.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on March 17, 2018, 09:38:32 PM
Ian Rapoport: Marshawn Lynch will remain a member of the #Raiders. Sources say he is receiving his $1M roster bonus on March 18, a clear sign he?ll be their feature back? if there was any question.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 17, 2018, 10:51:09 PM
Ian Rapoport: Marshawn Lynch will remain a member of the #Raiders. Sources say he is receiving his $1M roster bonus on March 18, a clear sign he?ll be their feature back? if there was any question.

Will be interesting to see how that backfield plays out with Doug Martin just signing.  They also have a couple of playmakers lobbying for carries.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 21, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
From Rotoworld:

Former Dolphins and 49ers OL Jonathan Martin has been taken into police custody after posting a disturbing image on Instagram of a shotgun and ammunition, threatening "suicide" and/or "revenge".

Martin was the famous victim of "Bullygate" while with the Dolphins back in 2013. In the photo he posted on Friday, Martin wrote, "When you're a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide, or revenge." In the photo, there was a shotgun and several rounds of shells lying on a bed, and Martin tagged former Dolphins teammates OG Richie Incognito and C Mike Pouncey. Martin also tagged two others, presumably from his old high school, while also tagging the #MiamiDolphins and #HarvardWestlake, his high school. Harvard Westlake subsequently shut down its campus after seeing the image. Martin was then taken into custody shortly after. The 28-year-old hasn't played in the NFL since 2014 and clearly has some mental issues. Thankfully, it didn't turn ugly.

As a result of this:

Mar 19 - 8:02 PM -

Former Dolphins and 49ers OL Jonathan Martin is being charged with four counts of making criminal threats and one count of possessing a loaded firearm in connection with his February 23 arrest in Los Angeles.
Martin posted a cryptic message on Instagram that day, suggesting he was out for some sort of "revenge" and tagged the Dolphins and his former high school in the post. In his possession were an ax, a large knife, and a loaded 12-gauge shotgun. 28-year-old Martin has a warrant out for his arrest.


-rotoworld.com


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 22, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN.

-As per Adam Schefter


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 23, 2018, 08:32:37 PM

Michael Bennett - DL - Eagles

Eagles DE Michael Bennett has been indicted on a felony charge of injuring a 66-year-old paraplegic woman at Super Bowl 51.
The 66-year-old woman was working at Houston's NRG Stadium trying to control access to the field. A warrant in the state of Texas has been issued for Bennett's arrest. Then a member of the Seahawks, Bennett attended the Super Bowl to watch his brother Martellus. Michael was accused of shoving his way onto the field after the woman told him to use a different entrance. Bennett faces a penalty of up to 10 years in prison in addition to a $10,000 fine.
Source: Adam Schefter


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 27, 2018, 08:55:42 AM
Rams signed DT Ndamukong Suh, formerly of the Dolphins, to a one-year, $14 million contract.
According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Suh took less to sign with the Rams. This has been the expected outcome for much of the past week after it was reported the Rams entered the conversation. Suh was reportedly very intrigued by the idea of teaming up with Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers while playing for DC Wade Phillips. It's a way for Suh to sort of rehab his value on a one-year deal as a 31-year-old. Even at his age, Suh remains one of the very best interior linemen, even if the counting stats weren't there for him in 2017. Look for Phillips to get the most out of him, allowing him to one-gap and attack upfield. This Rams defensive front and secondary is absolutely stacked; they now just need edge rushers.

-rotoworld.com


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 27, 2018, 12:43:12 PM
The Rams have seriously loaded up. They're going to do some damage this season.

I saw one comment on FB yesterday when the NFL posted this: "Dear God, Russell... Run for life!" :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 27, 2018, 01:04:34 PM
The Rams have seriously loaded up. They're going to do some damage this season.

I saw one comment on FB yesterday when the NFL posted this: "Dear God, Russell... Run for life!" :D

Rumor is they are going after Odell Beckham as well....


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on March 27, 2018, 04:50:59 PM
Anyone wanna keep track of NFL teams spending and salary cap, this is a good site:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on April 02, 2018, 07:17:33 PM
Vikes sign Kendall Wright today...could impact where Zylstra shakes out after all is said and done...Wright essentially replaces Wright I guess.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 03, 2018, 11:00:44 PM
Rams acquired WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick from the Patriots in exchange for first- and sixth-round picks.
The out-of-nowhere move lands the Rams their Sammy Watkins replacement, and also takes them out of the running for Odell Beckham. Now armed with the No. 23 and 31 picks, perhaps the Pats will make a play for the Giants' superstar. It's the second straight offseason Cooks has been dealt, both times for a first-rounder.

-rotoworld.com


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on April 04, 2018, 02:51:05 PM
The #Ravens have agreed to terms with former #Redskins and #Browns QB Robert Griffin III.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 13, 2018, 12:30:38 PM
49ers LB Reuben Foster was charged with felony domestic violence by the Santa Clara DA on Thursday.
The charge stems from an incident in February in which Foster was accused of dragging his live-in girlfriend and punching her "8 to 10 times" during a dispute. In addition to the domestic violence charge, Foster is accused of forcefully attempting to prevent the reporting of a crime, possession of an assault weapon, and misdemeanor possession of a large capacity weapon magazine. According to the DA, he is facing more than 11 years in prison if convicted.

Rotoworld.com


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on April 13, 2018, 03:39:09 PM
Dez Bryant released....he can add value for another year to some team. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 13, 2018, 05:37:08 PM
Dez Bryant released....he can add value for another year to some team. 

That's crazy! :o


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on April 15, 2018, 12:48:19 AM
Dez Bryant released....he can add value for another year to some team. 

Walters... get on the phone... what are you waiting for!




;)


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on April 15, 2018, 12:59:41 AM
Walters... get on the phone... what are you waiting for!



;)
Ha! Good one  :D


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 15, 2018, 09:11:52 AM
Dez Bryant released....he can add value for another year to some team. 

No surprise that he was released.

The Cardinals, Ravens, Bills, and Packers are have all been connected to Bryant. Coming off a down 2017, Bryant may be willing to rebuild his value on a one-year deal. - SNY


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on April 26, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
DRAFT DAY...

Is Baker going number ?  Some think he may

I would take Barkey if I was the Browns...differnce maker then pick up the QB at 4


Nothing like the NFL hype machine - I get sucked in and it's great!


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
DRAFT DAY...

Is Baker going number ?  Some think he may

I would take Barkey if I was the Browns...differnce maker then pick up the QB at 4


Nothing like the NFL hype machine - I get sucked in and it's great!

Unless they truly want one QB ahead of the other two, I don't see why they wouldn't use their #1 on another position and pick up a QB with their #4.

If they do have one guy ahead of the others though, you don't hope he falls to you at 4.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
DRAFT DAY...

Is Baker going number ?  Some think he may

I would take Barkey if I was the Browns...differnce maker then pick up the QB at 4


Nothing like the NFL hype machine - I get sucked in and it's great!

Darnold is guaranteed to go number 1 to the Browns. 
Giants will probably take Barkley.
Baker will probably go number 3 to the Jets.
Browns will take Chubb at number 4, then the rest is up in the air....


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 03:42:10 PM
I am hearing all of the talk and rumors about Dorsey now favoring Mayfield over Darnold.... but I still find that hard to believe they would pass on Darnold.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2018, 03:44:27 PM
I am hearing all of the talk and rumors about Dorsey now favoring Mayfield over Darnold.... but I still find that hard to believe they would pass on Darnold.

You can almost never buy in to they QB talk. Especially as it get's closer to draft day.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Colton on April 26, 2018, 03:46:00 PM
To me Darnold looks like by far the worst of the big name QBs, so he's a perfect fit for the Browns.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
To me Darnold looks like by far the worst of the big name QBs, so he's a perfect fit for the Browns.

I believe reports that they're leaning towards Allen. Whether that is at 1 or 4, who knows.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 03:54:51 PM
As of right now Mayock has Darnold going 1 to Browns, Barkley at 2, Mayfield at 3, and Chubb at 4.

This makes the most sense, plus Mayock is the best in the business for NFL draft projections - analysis.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
As of right now Mayock has Darnold going 1 to Browns, Barkley at 2, Mayfield at 3, and Chubb at 4.

This makes the most sense, plus Mayock is the best in the business for NFL draft projections - analysis.

He's the most well known, but in terms of accuracy....


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2018, 03:59:31 PM
Allen is the prototypically sized QB with the biggest arm - but has low accuracy due to mechanical issues (according to reports).

The Browns don't need to take the most 'game-ready' starter with a potentially lower ceiling, because they're going to start Tyrod anyway. I see them goin for the guy with the best physical tools and have him sit for the year.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 04:00:29 PM
He's the most well known, but in terms of accuracy....

Nope. I would disagree.  Yes, he is the most well known, but is generally also the most accurate.  His final draft projections are almost always spot on.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on April 26, 2018, 04:01:29 PM
You can almost never buy in to they QB talk. Especially as it get's closer to draft day.
Yep, a lot of the talk is smokescreens by the GMs to try and facilitate trades. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 04:02:17 PM
Allen is the prototypically sized QB with the biggest arm - but has low accuracy due to mechanical issues (according to reports).

The Browns don't need to take the most 'game-ready' starter with a potentially lower ceiling, because they're going to start Tyrod anyway. I see them goin for the guy with the best physical tools and have him sit for the year.

Allen is virtually guaranteed to go 3rd overall QB, possibly 4th.  Rosen may go 3rd.  Darnold and Mayfield are locks at 1 and 2.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on April 26, 2018, 04:04:11 PM
I could be wrong but I thought I read that Mayfield didn't want to go to the Browns. 


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
I could be wrong but I thought I read that Mayfield didn't want to go to the Browns. 

No.  That is Josh Rosen.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jesse on April 26, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
Allen is virtually guaranteed to go 3rd overall QB, possibly 4th.  Rosen may go 3rd.  Darnold and Mayfield are locks at 1 and 2.

This isn't an Andrew Luck year. None of these guys are locks.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 26, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
This isn't an Andrew Luck year. None of these guys are locks.

We will see.  I will call it now.  Mayfield and Darnold are top 2 QBs off the board.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on April 27, 2018, 12:40:11 AM
Bills get Josh Allen and Cards get Rosen Nice!

Broncos Dline is nasty with The addition of Chubb

Mayfield to the Browns first overall? Hmmmm not sure on that one. Guys seems like a knob!
Reminds me of the Manziel pick


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Jockitch on April 27, 2018, 12:43:33 AM
Browns took Mayfield at #1.... Giants grab possible super star in RB Barkley ..... then Darnold goes to the Jets .....  the Browns take CB Denzel Ward at #4 pick

Browns pass up on Chubb who went #5 to the Broncos .....       Allen went #7 to the Bills


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 27, 2018, 07:33:10 AM
Browns took Mayfield at #1.... Giants grab possible super star in RB Barkley ..... then Darnold goes to the Jets .....  the Browns take CB Denzel Ward at #4 pick

Browns pass up on Chubb who went #5 to the Broncos .....       Allen went #7 to the Bills

As expected.  Browns already have a solid defense, and their main "need" on defense was in the secondary.  Sure Chubb was the best player on the board at pick 4, but the Browns went into this draft trying to fill holes and needs, and not take the best player available.  Going to be interesting to see Chubb paired with Von Miller.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: Chris1982 on April 27, 2018, 07:35:39 AM
Bills get Josh Allen and Cards get Rosen Nice!

Broncos Dline is nasty with The addition of Chubb

Mayfield to the Browns first overall? Hmmmm not sure on that one. Guys seems like a knob!
Reminds me of the Manziel pick

Yeah, pretty much every analyst said this.  Very odd choice for the Browns to pass on Darnold.  Will be interesting to see if it pays off in the end.  The NY Jets hit the jackpot landing Darnold at number 3, IMHO - especially now that they have Teddy Bridgewater as well.


Title: Re: NFL Discussion
Post by: gbill2004 on April 27, 2018, 03:40:03 PM
Jason Witten is retiring to join MNF.