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Bombers have a fairly tough schedule over the next few weeks meeting Edmonton, Montreal, Saskatchewan twice and Montreal before the end of September.

It's pretty crucial all facets of the team need to bring their A game in each match up. 

Health wise, Oliviera, Demski, Eli and Daniels are questionable with Ball likely out for the Edmonton game. 

Keys for the game - Everyone comes prepared, game-ready to play and with 100% attitude and execution. 

Ed Tait's 48 Hour Primer - Entering the Gauntlet (https://www.bluebombers.com/2026/08/19/48-hour-primer-entering-the-gauntlet/) covers his pre-game observations.

First up - Edmonton, playing at home, who will be motivated to maintain first place in the west.

A big up-coming weekend with lots on the line!  Go Bombers Go!

A) the Bombers are not playing consistent football and there's plenty of room for improvement, or
B) we are seeing the best of this year's version of the team and they are just not that good

I hope it's (A) or we're in for a run of loses and a playoff exit  when these five games are done.  I'm not optimistic, I feel this is an aging poorly coached team this season. I see five loses on the horizon (I hope I'm wrong).

Game 2 of 3 against the Elks. We need to win in order to have any chance of winning the season series. Elks are a very good team but I see the chance of beating them greater than beating the Als next week.

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Import Hazen in as the 10th linebacker. Cobb as the 5th receiver. Should be an easy win for the bombers  :D

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 20, 2026, 02:23:56 PMGame 2 of 3 against the Elks. We need to win in order to have any chance of winning the season series. Elks are a very good team but I see the chance of beating them greater than beating the Als next week.

Agree. IF we can win there and split Sask we are likely .500 through the toughest part of the schedule and in good shape. My worry is the Edmonton crowd firing up their team. They haven't seen fans in years there and I think this gives them an edge we can't counter.

Winnipeg Blue Bombers make one roster change against Edmonton Elks
by John Hodge  August 20, 2026

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have kept their roster the same for Friday night's game against the Edmonton Elks, save for one change. The team issued its official depth chart on Thursday morning.

Canadian defensive back Ethan Ball has been placed on the six-game injured list with an Achilles injury that's expected to be season-ending. The Regina native suffered the injury during last week's win over the Ottawa Redblacks.

The 24-year-old was a sixth-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft out of the University of Calgary. He has recorded one defensive tackle and 10 special teams tackles over 16 regular-season CFL games.

In a corresponding move, Winnipeg has promoted Canadian linebacker Lane Novak to the active roster. The six-foot-one, 225-pound defender played two regular-season games earlier this year but did not record a statistic.

The 24-year-old native of Balgonie, Sask. was a fifth-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft out of the University of Saskatchewan. He played five regular-season games as a rookie and recorded three special teams tackles before suffering a season-ending knee injury.

The rest of Winnipeg's lineup remains unchanged from last week's win over the Ottawa Redblacks. The team has only six players on injured reserve, which is the smallest number in the CFL.

Brady Oliveira did not practice this week due to an ankle injury, though head coach Mike O'Shea indicated that he will play.

The Blue Bombers lost to Edmonton by a score of 23-18 in Week 4. Winnipeg fumbled the ball five times in the loss, losing three of them. It was Edmonton's first win at Princess Auto Stadium since 2018.

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (5-4) will visit the Edmonton Elks (7-3) at Commonwealth Stadium on Friday, August 21 with kickoff scheduled for 9:30 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 33-21 win over the Ottawa Redblacks, while the Elks blasted the Toronto Argonauts by a score of 42-12.

The weather forecast in Edmonton calls for 26 degrees and sun. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg or 880 CHED in Edmonton.

https://3downnation.com/2026/08/20/winnipeg-blue-bombers-make-one-roster-change-against-edmonton-elks/

Clercius is backing up Cobb again this week.

Quote from: Waffler on August 20, 2026, 03:49:34 PMAgree. IF we can win there and split Sask we are likely .500 through the toughest part of the schedule and in good shape. My worry is the Edmonton crowd firing up their team. They haven't seen fans in years there and I think this gives them an edge we can't counter.

I think that one game they had good attendance against Sask. was an anomaly spurred by the attendance of Rider fans, against the Argos they slumped back to their patheric norm.

Quote from: bunker on August 20, 2026, 03:31:34 PMImport Hazen in as the 10th linebacker. Cobb as the 5th receiver. Should be an easy win for the bombers  :D

Why in the heck do we need yet another LB that will never see the field other than maybe special teams. How about getting in a few reasonable DB's and maybe a Receiver that has a little speed vs what we have. Ugh!!

Quote from: BBRT on August 20, 2026, 04:35:15 PMWhy in the heck do we need yet another LB that will never see the field other than maybe special teams. How about getting in a few reasonable DB's and maybe a Receiver that has a little speed vs what we have. Ugh!!

Not to mention Broxton is just getting back from injury and Bryant and Eli haven't been practicing. But do we need an insurance OL? Nope. 10th linebacker.

Maybe next week we try for 12 LB's on the roster......

I know a-lot of this is for special teams and our special teams have been great...but at what cost...from what I can see offence is a .......distant......after thought to specials and defence....

Eli as the only O-line back-up even though he wasn't able to practice and is listed as questionable, oh and Bryant didn't practice most of the week...this seems completely responsible and appropriate, wouldn't want to take a back ups, back-up, back up LB off for some insurance on the O-line, not like O-line is important anyway......

And receiver I see we have one back-up again seems safe.....gotta keep all those LB's ready for youngers rotations.......Clercius can play all positions right, and it's not like Demski has been fighting an ankle injury for weeks now and missed practices again this week and is listed as questionable or anything.... ya IF White (546y/60.7ypg) or Ontario (537/59.7) go down, A group of Neild (312/34.7), a hobbled Demski(563/62.6), Cobb(117/13), Clercius (14/4.7) with the other of White or Ontario, is a......well.....a "great" group....don't focus on stats but think of all those extra CDN snaps we can accumulate... we don't need another receiver for depth....heck a few injuries and Daniels (82/9.1) can play both O-line and WR....

At least with all that depth and rotation we have given Younger his defence has been lights out......

Quote from: Jesse on August 20, 2026, 04:58:00 PMNot to mention Broxton is just getting back from injury and Bryant and Eli haven't been practicing. But do we need an insurance OL? Nope. 10th linebacker.

Hazen was on the roster last week. I have no idea whether he actually saw the field since he didn't record a stat. He may be the next Bighill but why he's on the roster now is surprising.

Edmonton Elks' roster unchanged for clash with Bombers
by 3Down Staff  August 20, 2026

The Edmonton Elks will have the benefit of health when they face the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Friday, as their roster remains intact from last week.

The Green and Gold have added no new players to the injured list and made no changes to their starting lineup. Strong-side linebacker Kenneth Logan Jr., who missed last week with a knee injury, remains on the one-game injured list, as does Canadian safety Royce Metchie, who practiced fully as he works his way back from a hamstring issue.

Receiver Joe Robustelli (hamstring), Global linebacker Eteva Mauga-Clements (clavicle), and Canadian defensive back Benjamin Sangmuah (knee) will stay on the six-game injured list despite practicing in varied capacities.

Other players on the six-game injured list include Canadian fullback Jacob Plamondon, Canadian offensive lineman Coulter Woodmansey, American defensive linemen Brandon Barlow, Jordan Williams, and Tomari Fox, Canadian defensive lineman Darien Newell,  and Canadian long snapper Luke Burton-Krahn.

Canadian running back Isaiah Knight and receiver Zach Mathis are currently on the reserve roster.

The Edmonton Elks (7-3) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (5-4) at Commonwealth Stadium on Friday, August 21, with kickoff scheduled for 9:30 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 33-21 win over the Ottawa Redblacks, while the Elks blasted the Toronto Argonauts by a score of 42-12.

The weather forecast in Edmonton calls for 26 degrees and sun. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg or 880 CHED in Edmonton.

https://3downnation.com/2026/08/20/edmonton-elks-roster-unchanged-for-clash-with-bombers/

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Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on August 20, 2026, 05:06:40 PMMaybe next week we try for 12 LB's on the roster......

I know a-lot of this is for special teams and our special teams have been great...but at what cost...from what I can see offence is a .......distant......after thought to specials and defence....

Eli as the only O-line back-up even though he wasn't able to practice and is listed as questionable, oh and Bryant didn't practice most of the week...this seems completely responsible and appropriate, wouldn't want to take a back ups, back-up, back up LB off for some insurance on the O-line, not like O-line is important anyway......

And receiver I see we have one back-up again seems safe.....gotta keep all those LB's ready for youngers rotations.......Clercius can play all positions right, and it's not like Demski has been fighting an ankle injury for weeks now and missed practices again this week and is listed as questionable or anything.... ya IF White (546y/60.7ypg) or Ontario (537/59.7) go down, A group of Neild (312/34.7), a hobbled Demski(563/62.6), Cobb(117/13), Clercius (14/4.7) with the other of White or Ontario, is a......well.....a "great" group....don't focus on stats but think of all those extra CDN snaps we can accumulate... we don't need another receiver for depth....heck a few injuries and Daniels (82/9.1) can play both O-line and WR....

At least with all that depth and rotation we have given Younger his defence has been lights out......

Singer is a carbon copy of Pokey and White just not as good, I hope at some point they start bringing in bigger receivers to the PR they need to offer a changeup, more of the same will not improve the units flexibility or effectiveness.  They need a big physical receiver like Joe Robustelli that can fight for the ball and gain great YAC.

Our roster mgmt once again is true to form, no matter how you play if you're a vet you're on the roster, and if there's an opening we stick in another lb.

9 NAT starters vs. Elks 7...

To be fair Woodbey and fletcher will play at least half the reps, but that's still the equivalent of 8 cdn starters. Which makes no sense that we are playing 3 cdn receivers when we have the ratio space to not have to do so. That and we are trotting out 2 olinemen that are not healthy enough to practice. Bryant and Eli)

Quote from: Jesse on August 20, 2026, 04:58:00 PMNot to mention Broxton is just getting back from injury and Bryant and Eli haven't been practicing. But do we need an insurance OL? Nope. 10th linebacker.

Quote from: BBRT on August 20, 2026, 04:35:15 PMWhy in the heck do we need yet another LB that will never see the field other than maybe special teams. How about getting in a few reasonable DB's and maybe a Receiver that has a little speed vs what we have. Ugh!!

The roster configuration is brain cramping stupid level.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 20, 2026, 06:00:26 PMSinger is a carbon copy of Pokey and White just not as good, I hope at some point they start bringing in bigger receivers to the PR they need to offer a changeup, more of the same will not improve the units flexibility or effectiveness.  They need a big physical receiver like Joe Robustelli that can fight for the ball and gain great YAC.

Shemar Bridges (6'3"), 2024 East Div All Star, released by Hamilton today after spending most of the season on IR.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 20, 2026, 04:10:50 PMI think that one game they had good attendance against Sask. was an anomaly spurred by the attendance of Rider fans, against the Argos they slumped back to their patheric norm.

Ya, crowd is a non factor. For their ssk game they must have promoted it heavily and or given away a whack load of free tickets. In addition to all the ssk fans driving over.

Attendance is still elevated vs last year, but it won't approach anything like 2 weeks ago. At best it'll be like a bc crowd.

Quote from: Tecno on August 20, 2026, 08:39:55 PMYa, crowd is a non factor. For their ssk game they must have promoted it heavily and or given away a whack load of free tickets. In addition to all the ssk fans driving over.

Attendance is still elevated vs last year, but it won't approach anything like 2 weeks ago. At best it'll be like a bc crowd.

Those Rider fans did not drive to Edmonton from Sask. to watch the game, they are permanent residents of Alberta who fled Sask. at the first opportunity.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 20, 2026, 09:12:44 PMThose Rider fans did not drive to Edmonton from Sask. to watch the game, they are permanent residents of Alberta who fled Sask. at the first opportunity.

The point is that they attend the Sask games.

Quote from: VictorRomano on August 20, 2026, 08:24:40 PMShemar Bridges (6'3"), 2024 East Div All Star, released by Hamilton today after spending most of the season on IR.

What happened to Bridges?? He went from an East Div 1000 yd reciever in 2024, to being released??! Did acquiring Wheatfall result in his release?? Wow.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 20, 2026, 09:12:44 PMThose Rider fans did not drive to Edmonton from Sask. to watch the game, they are permanent residents of Alberta who fled Sask. at the first opportunity.

True. But some must live near the alb border on the yellowhead. That's a very reasonable drive.

The hilarious thing is the two teams split the wins, but each got their win away. Bass ackwards to what would have made the most happy fans.

Quote from: Tecno on August 20, 2026, 08:39:55 PMYa, crowd is a non factor. For their ssk game they must have promoted it heavily and or given away a whack load of free tickets. In addition to all the ssk fans driving over.

Attendance is still elevated vs last year, but it won't approach anything like 2 weeks ago. At best it'll be like a bc crowd.

Reading an estimate of mid 20,000s. It seems less in the huge bowl but I bet the Elk players notice the increase and want to play for them.

Quote from: dd on August 20, 2026, 10:55:28 PMWhat happened to Bridges?? He went from an East Div 1000 yd reciever in 2024, to being released??! Did acquiring Wheatfall result in his release?? Wow.

He's been injured for basically the whole season.

Bombers take an early 14 - 0 lead and keep the pedal to the metal for the full 60 minutes. Cruise to a 27 - 17 win.

Rankin held to 50 yards or less.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2026, 09:54:30 PMBombers take an early 14 - 0 lead and keep the pedal to the metal for the full 60 minutes. Cruise to a 27 - 17 win.

Rankin held to 50 yards or less.

I'll have what he is having! :D

Quote from: BBRT on August 21, 2026, 10:04:34 PMI'll have what he is having! :D

#1d plus comes back and all is well lol

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2026, 09:54:30 PMBombers take an early 14 - 0 lead and keep the pedal to the metal for the full 60 minutes. Cruise to a 27 - 17 win.

Rankin held to 50 yards or less.

Wow, i guess one can only dream of this!!

I can see Fajardo haven't a field day against the lame BB defence today... not worth the time watching the game today.

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on August 21, 2026, 10:31:11 PMI can see Fajardo haven't a field day against the lame BB defence today... not worth the time watching the game today.

Win loss or draw, ok no more draws, the CFL is always worth a watch

The beauty about sports is there are always two teams and if the one you want to win is sucking, can always enjoy the talent on the other side or take small victories in individual achievements on the home side

Slowing down Cody will be a challenge 100%

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on August 21, 2026, 10:31:11 PMI can see Fajardo haven't a field day against the lame BB defence today... not worth the time watching the game today.

For sure, I can see him wanting to light it up in front of their home town fans. This may get ugly

I still believe in this organization. They know to get it done and they will get it done. This year. If you get on the roster of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, you're good. It's that simple. They need to get their chemistry and cohesion established. Get it done tonight boys.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 21, 2026, 10:36:00 PMThe beauty about sports is there are always two teams and if the one you want to win is sucking, can always enjoy the talent on the other side or take small victories in individual achievements on the home side

Speak for yourself! If Wpg sucks I just get angry and homicidal! I'll start wishing very bad things upon Cody  ;D  ;D  ;D

Granted, I could do what you said in 2013 when we had no hope. But since 2019 I expect us to be competitive, and thus I have no room for appreciating things when we suck.

If we lose the next 5 and miss the playoffs, maybe I can go back to the easier "its ok we lose" mindset.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2026, 09:54:30 PMRankin held to 50 yards or less.

All depends on if we've solved edge contain. If not, we're in deep trouble.

And Willie has to not pick today as one of his days off. No jogging when Rankin is on the field.

This should be a pivotal game, if the Bombers play great and pull off a win a glimmer of hope will remain.  If they play bad and get blown out, it's time to accept this is not going to be a good year and they can begin to make personnel decisions with next year's club in mind. I think the pressure will mount on Condell and Younger to get their units performing better or they may be looking for new jobs in the off-season.

Quote from: BBRT on August 21, 2026, 10:04:34 PMI'll have what he is having! :D

:D  :D

I gonna guess it is the golden flake liquor Schlagger!

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 21, 2026, 10:23:49 PM#1d plus comes back and all is well lol

We have them where we want them. lol

EDIT: Oliveria is 58 yards short of league leasing rusher but has played 1 game less than the two above him. He should be # 1 after this game since I expect he's going to play angry again today and so some serious head slapping after some big runs.

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on August 21, 2026, 10:31:11 PMI can see Fajardo haven't a field day against the lame BB defence today... not worth the time watching the game today.

You aren't even gonna watch the first 10 mins of game to see what we got? :-\

Bush League TSN can't get the pre-game show to work.
Pathetic.

Entire TSN panel is ******** on the Bombers. Deserved I guess. >:(

This pre game show is so boring. I don't know why I even try.

Dustin & Luke tonight.  Meh.  Luke always comes across as a Bomber-hater to me.

Milt picks Elks. Take his name down on the ring on honour.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:25:29 AMDustin & Luke tonight.  Meh.  Luke always comes across as a Bomber-hater to me.

He picked the Bombers to win the cup pre-season.
It is because the Bombers show poorly, what is he suppose to do?

Wow - everyone for the Elks.  Can't blame them, and Milt was very apologetic and said his heart says Bombers.  I'll give him a pass.

Muamba couldn't wait to spit out Elks, he does not get the same pass.

Oh ya, GO BLUE!  We need a great performance tonight!  Maybe some bad luck for Cody, too.  Some nice juicy INTs on his shot-puts would help.

Take away Rankin.  Watch the edges.  DEs must stay outside and not over-passrush.

We need to do less 3-man rush.  Our 4-man is very good.  WPG blitzing is mostly useless.  O needs to keep things clean.  Must keep Zach upright -- show me you solved that blindside problem.

GO BLUE!

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 01:28:00 AMWow - everyone for the Elks.  Can't blame them, and Milt was very apologetic and said his heart says Bombers.  I'll give him a pass.

Muamba couldn't wait to spit out Elks, he does not get the same pass.

Henoc is a biased wannabe analyst.  He can go away.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:25:29 AMDustin & Luke tonight.  Meh.  Luke always comes across as a Bomber-hater to me.

Ugh...Luke.  I'll try to be objective and listen.  Still can't stand him for his chirping of Bob. 

He starts out at idiot, so he's got a lot of ground to make up.

Like most games we can usually tell within first 5 minutes how it's gonna go

Cody picking us apart and a couple of 2 and outs from Zach and we are in trouble

But I think Our Bombers will surprise us tonite

Go Blue

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 01:09:03 AMEntire TSN panel is ******** on the Bombers. Deserved I guess. >:(

I mean, I don't blame them. We earned this. But Milt was talking like we're Ottawa and haven't won a game yet.

Milt calling out Henoc's suit as a challenge for viewers - I was thinking that while Henoc was beaking off! 

It's the visual version of the fan horns in Montreal

Why's there so much blue in the crowd?  And crowd looks small.  Doubt it's anywhere near 20k.

Hopefully we get Cody JarJarDoh

I hate it when we get the ball first.

Nice pass the Demski. Well executed.

Wow, a first down on the first series!

Looks like our O is taking ball protection seriously.  Everyone double-arming the rock.

Great mid-pass Demski.  I like the slight come-back.

Wilson does not have the dropsies tonight.

Nice balanced attack so far.

Collaros getting it out quick. Liking it so far.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:38:57 AMI hate it when we get the ball first.

Oshea used to always defer to the 2nd half.

Nice blitz & hot-route recognition to Cobb.  Would have been 1st down had he not stumbled.

Good drive

Brady ponding the crap out of those LBs

Quote from: gobombersgo on August 22, 2026, 01:43:27 AMOshea used to always defer to the 2nd half.

If there was a wisp of wind.  For some reason this season everything has been calm.  Weird no-wind year.

Brady looks pissed!  8)

Im liking how Brady is involved with the passing game.

Now if they can just complete a pass longer than 20 yards.

Zach looks energized

Quote from: gobombersgo on August 22, 2026, 01:43:27 AMOshea used to always defer to the 2nd half.

True.  But I also remember Osh saying he always wants the ball first. 

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 01:45:26 AMBrady looks pissed!  8)

Exactly what I was gonna say - he's playing like someone was poking a dog in the cage before they let him out.

That was holding on the receiver.

God dam FG

ugh

Okay, take the points.  Nice drive from less than the 30 - good start.

Now let's go D!!!

Ughhh. FG

Pokey just isn't a 50/50 winner.  He never has been.  We don't have a 50/50 winner.  Maybe Demski is the closest.

Not taking 7 there is going to hurt.

I thought EDM would bet on that last 1st down being a run, but they correctly guessed pass.  Not sure why we changed to deep shots when short was working 95% of the drive.  Everyone knows we throw that corner.  Where's the crossers?

Not going to win kicking field goals from the 7. Low percentage pass to Wilson brutal

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 01:47:56 AMOkay, take the points.  Nice drive from less than the 30 - good start.

No.  While it's nice we can move the ball, it's a huge win for EDM, and huge for their morale, to hold us to 3 at the 10.

Edmonton gets ball on 40 now?

For 3 points.

I dunno.

Would have been good time to show some guts and make a statement to go for it

Blow the darn whistle!  I don't know what it is with the CFL and these ultra-late whistles.

Should have been picked but a 2 and out. Good.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 01:47:31 AMGod dam FG

ugh

I hate that.

Now re-drive the field!  7 this time!  Don't want the BC start where we get 2 x 3 and let them get 1 x 7 right away.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:50:18 AMBlow the darn whistle!  I don't know what it is with the CFL and these ultra-late whistles.

you know there is a football game on right? Quit whining about all the useless crap.

Kyrie filled his gap on first down though. Credit where credit's due.

Moxey. Good play

Catch it next time

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 01:51:11 AMI hate that.

We get the ball back now in good FP.Go get a TD now...

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 01:51:47 AMyou know there is a football game on right? Quit whining about all the useless crap.

That useless crap will allow Rankin to spring out after being pushed back 10Y by 3 guys.

It's also dangerous.  It's been a real problem since Johnston took over.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:48:41 AMPokey just isn't a 50/50 winner.  He never has been.  We don't have a 50/50 winner.  Maybe Demski is the closest.

Not taking 7 there is going to hurt.

I thought EDM would bet on that last 1st down being a run, but they correctly guessed pass.  Not sure why we changed to deep shots when short was working 95% of the drive.  Everyone knows we throw that corner.  Where's the crossers?

Yeah, that has hurt us all season not having 50/50.  Agreed, Demski is the closest to that. 

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 01:49:49 AMEdmonton gets ball on 40 now?

For 3 points.

I dunno.

Would have been good time to show some guts and make a statement to go for it

Okay you've all convinced me - we should've gone for it.  At least we held them to 2 and out.

Now let's do it again and get the 7!

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:52:59 AMThat useless crap will allow Rankin to spring out after being pushed back 10Y by 3 guys.

It's also dangerous.  It's been a real problem since Johnston took over.

ugh, don't be weird. Enjoy the game.

Zach looks sharp. OL giving him time.

Nice catch T White.

Condell is dialing up some longer dev-ing routes to give Zach options when he has lots of time.  Earlier in the season Zach would only have quick routes that were all blanketed if he held the ball too long.  Need a variation on route length (not just depth).  Nice.

BRADY!!!

Yah Brady Yah

Feck!

Late hit! 

Cheap shot.

But really dumb to challenge this early because the refs will ream you if you don't have a flag to throw.

MOS better win this!

We won't win it and we'll get screwed the whole rest of the game.

The Refs better overturn that call... gotta protect QB's

2nd roughing the passer on Zach tonight.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 01:57:03 AMCheap shot.

But really dumb to challenge this early because the refs will ream you if you don't have a flag to throw.

I agree but if he wins he gets another challenge.

Go for it

Why cant we trust defence to stop if we dont get it?

Oshea wasting a challenge instead of going for 3

So stupid.  We're now battling the opponent and the refs.

Brutal amateur MOS BRUTAL.

Yeah good point.  Osh has Zach's back on that, but not a good challenge.

Terrible cheap shot though.

Atleast we tried

Progress

Come on D. 

Gamble lose. Get nothing. Stop goin to Brady. Condell is an idiot!

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 01:58:57 AMYeah good point.  Osh has Zach's back on that, but not a good challenge.

Terrible cheap shot though.

I can agree with this statement.

Should have run on second down if you knew you were going on third down.  Another coaching mistake.

Two dumb things in a row there.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 02:00:00 AMShould have run on second down if you knew you were going on third down.  Another coaching mistake.

Big time

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 02:00:00 AMShould have run on second down if you knew you were going on third down.  Another coaching mistake.

Condell is like a Blind Squirrel

not gonna win this one....play calling aint the best and elks are just a better team all around

and pass defence is too suspect

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 01:58:57 AMYeah good point.  Osh has Zach's back on that, but not a good challenge.

If it was flagged on the field, it would be upheld the other way too.  It's a 50/50 late hit.  But stupid smilin' Valesi wants us to lose.

MOS doing 2 very non-MOS things early:
1) Challenge early on an iffy one everyone could see we'd lose.
2) Not taking the points.  He NEVER goes for it on 3rd early

Pathetic secondary

Kelly beat like a mule.

Turnover.

Our ball!

Ok D now O to redeem themselves

Willie playing ?

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 02:02:14 AMTurnover.

Our ball!

Only helps if we can score! Gotta ******* get this one.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 02:01:55 AMKelly beat like a mule.

Why can't 2 dudes who are there a) separate a bit, and b) look back to the ball??

Holm baby

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:03:26 AMWhy can't 2 dudes who are there a) separate a bit, and b) look back to the ball??

This - exactly. 2 D and neither making a play for the ball.

RUN THE BALL

White is good in tight windows.  Probably best hands on the team right now.  Though Demski is good too.

Receivers doing a nice job so far.

Oline looks great
Zach slinging
Gotta get Brady cooking again

Wow - 4 D around White and a completion.  Not bad.

Is Zach changing the plays at line?

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 02:05:44 AMOline looks great
Zach slinging
Gotta get Brady cooking again

OLine is looking decent, I think Zach's quick decisions is helping the cause tonight.

OL doing a nice job creating holes and giving Zach time for the most part.

All these yards mean nothing without points.  Need points.  EDM might be doing the ol' bend but don't break.  Maybe they don't care if they let us get to the red zone because they know they'll shut it down.

If that's their plan, you beat it by getting the TD from 30-45Y out.  Go for the kill shots from there.  Need more of the ol' HAM-famous Condell crossers.

Hopefully we keep our offence on the field and take the swagger out of Edmonton...  cocky bunch

188 yards offense and 3 lousy points to show for it.

The mullet the wearing on me. He is like Tony Romo but when he is drunk.

Brady tripped on his own feet on that one.

YES!!!!

Touchdown!!

What ever.  Win 3 -0

Drive the field to their 5 and not score , kill the clock

TOUCH DOWN WHITE

YEAH!

Ha!  Called it.  Don't bother getting to the red zone.  Take your shots early.  And White is the hot hand -- Zach & Condell will rely on him tonight.

LOL, and famous Condell long crosser too!  Those always killed us when we used to play HAM.  Remember Speedy B doing those?

Very good road half so far.

Brady reminding folks why he is great and won't replaced, criticism by some WAY overstated

Zach reminds us how he still has touch on the ball

Here we go D, your up

The mullet lacks adjectives.

Finally a big D play

Nice play Major

Major #1d

I dont know why Cody isnt dinking and dunking and hitching

But we will take it

Very close to no yards, but never seems to get called anymore

There D has got to be sucking wind here. Get Brady trucking.

I guess they dont call no yards anymore.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:14:51 AMI dont know why Cody isnt dinking and dunking and hitching

But we will take it

Because he's way too full of himself

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:14:51 AMI dont know why Cody isnt dinking and dunking and hitching

But we will take it

They are trying desperately to loosen things up for Rankin.  He's their only big weapon, and when teams shut him down they lose 75%.

But that was dumb to target Major -- he's our best DB right now.

Wow that upper deck is empty

Atta boy Nic! Love it!

Brady is on a mission!!

Tons of blue jerseys in the crowd.  Small green crowd tonight.

Elk D is sucking WIND. RUN MORE!

Brady up the gut all day
Bbb

Serving bird 3 ways from Sunday lol

I like the Nield outlet!  More of that.  Not like he's useful for anything else.  Having 2 dump targets is useful.

Wow, a super-quick everyone-curls that worked!!

83 finally good game

By an inch... WOW

2 Perkins fumble-ishes in 2 weeks?  Need better handoffs on those.  More practice guys.

Brady is king again

No he isn't getting replaced by Peterson lol

Brady was wide open in the flat for the dump pass on that 2nd down.  Likely walks in, or at least 1st down.

13-0

D showing up. Must continue to do so.

Naming calling has no place on here imo.

Perkins over 95% on sneaks.  Facts.

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 02:20:45 AMBy an inch... WOW

Maybe worth a challenge by edmonton

He recovers the ball over line but knees are down before line

Gotta tighten up these snaps with Perkins

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 02:23:08 AM13-0

D showing up. Must continue to do so.

But the yards so far should be 3-4 TDs.  But 13 ain't bad.  Better than 9.

EDM will start figuring things out.  They need to read here.  WPG D is most vulnerable to dink & dunk.  So stop throwing those bombs.

Tom Gondola Pizza

I cant believe how bad we are in the redzone when we're just walking up and down the field.

Moxey!!!

Moxey #1d

Picked off!

Moxey

Bout time!

Cody frazzled

Brady getting 200?

RUN RUN RUN

Moxey had some major speed on that break!  Faster than Mack!!

Great balance by Brady.  They are still targeting his legs.  If he can take those and stay upright then he's unstoppable.

EDM needs to read our forum: I told them, no bombs!

Look at that poor sport Fajardo on the sidelines......  better keep telling your teammates your a great team

Ford all star play

Nield does not impress me.

Did they say in the pregame this is EDM going into the bye?  Looks like they looked ahead of this game (like we always do).  They just want to all get home to the states.

Nield hands no goode.

Nice roll out

Gotta be a better pass than Tommy 2 drops

Gave up on the run again.

Money on the 3

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 02:27:48 AMNield does not impress me.

Time to bump the Nield thread!

Castillo gets his record, like we all knew he would.

Well done Sergio!

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:29:00 AMTime to bump the Nield thread!

Castillo gets his record, like we all knew he would.

He stinks.

Put in the Singer.

Zach touching his knee on the tackle, and then a tiny limp when walking off.  Gotta limit those scrambles.

Amazing how quickly every DL sheds to stop Zach from escaping.  Why can't our OL make their lives a bit tougher?

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:30:15 AMZach touching his knee on the tackle, and then a tiny limp when walking off.  Gotta limit those scrambles.

Amazing how quickly every DL sheds to stop Zach from escaping.  Why can't our OL make their lives a bit tougher?

Zach's just too slow

Leake is so useless compared to Rankin.  I have no idea why they give the guys equal time.  When Leake is in LBs/DBs can play looser.

Willie still got it.  Critics a wee quiet.

2 and Out again. Nice job. Secondary holding up there.

Decent return Vaval.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:31:55 AMLeake is so useless compared to Rankin.  I have no idea why they give the guys equal time.  When Leake is in LBs/DBs can play looser.

Leake been better as of late.  Rankin gone cold.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 02:31:33 AMZach's just too slow

He is.. but he usually just crumbles in the pocket and tonite hes trying to escape atleast

Hes playing his best game in a about 3 years

I like how Vaval forces cover teams to give up yards in order to ensure they stop the home run.  Helps us get a higher minimum & avg.  Grant used to do the same thing for us.  Very handy cheat code, especially late in games when they need to stop a FG or something.

Make Milt EAT his words.

gotta keep this type of play in the second half instead of going into a D shell

Okay so they don't open the upper decks there I assume?

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:06:18 AMIs Zach changing the plays at line?

Yes, they mentioned on CJOB how he has done that a couple of times because he read how the defense was lined up and so he changed it against the coverage. He's had a great game so far.

Love that draw play 2nd and long.

Nice kick She-Hand

Very nice kick on the move.  Lucky to have him.  So steady.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 02:33:06 AMLeake been better as of late.  Rankin gone cold.

Think 2nd order effects.  Rankin going cold means more of our guys are playing the run, not the pass.  LBs/DBs cheating up to the line to help stop Rankin.  They don't do that for Leake.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:34:31 AMHe is.. but he usually just crumbles in the pocket and tonite hes trying to escape atleast

I'd rather see Zach pull a Matt Nichols when there's nothing there.  He simply cannot take any hits!!  Getting 0.5Y on the play is not worth ruining his body.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:37:22 AMThink 2nd order effects.  Rankin going cold means more of our guys are playing the run, not the pass.  LBs/DBs cheating up to the line to help stop Rankin.  They don't do that for Leake.

Rankin been cold for a bit.

No way thats PI

Our dreaded last 2 minutes of 2nd quarter....  Kelly with the PI

Dustin busy blathering instead of calling the game.

Why does Kelly never turn?

Kelly so bad

What a bull **** call.

that is PI??

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:38:40 AMNo way thats PI

When you lose your challenge you let the refs ream you a new one and cheat like there's no tomorrow.

That 100% is not DPI.  Weakest DPI I've seen all year.  All because you gave up your challenge in the 1st.  MOS is smarter than that!  So stupid.

Of course... play the full 30 minutes

That's why you need to throw it deep sometimes.  Get a BS call to put you in scoring position and then score.

Also that ref was really excited to call that.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:38:40 AMNo way thats PI

Yes it was, contact before ball arrived and didn't look back to play the ball

They go after Kelly and no one else.

gotta get some points back. 

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 02:40:46 AMAlso that ref was really excited to call that.

Nope he is just like that, called it right

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:39:59 AMWhen you lose your challenge you let the refs ream you a new one and cheat like there's no tomorrow.

That 100% is not DPI.  Weakest DPI I've seen all year.  All because you gave up your challenge in the 1st.  MOS is smarter than that!  So stupid.

Yet Luke, the "brilliant NFL mind" (just ask him) says "that's PI all day"

Quote from: The Zipp on August 22, 2026, 02:41:05 AMgotta get some points back. 

So critical

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 02:40:46 AMAlso that ref was really excited to call that.

that ref needs to cut down on the Funions.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 02:40:41 AMThat's why you need to throw it deep sometimes.  Get a BS call to put you in scoring position and then score.

Not when you don't have a challenge flag!  Refs will let everything go against you, even if they aren't biased, because not calling something is safer for their "grade".

We will not get a good / iffy call the rest of the game.

Edmonton playing with confidence

Throwing bombs

Going for 2 at stupid times

Need a score here.  Positive yards on first down please

Come on OL help these guys break this one open!

Need a 3!

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 02:40:46 AMAlso that ref was really excited to call that.

Valesi doing his best "first down Foxcroft" impression.  Foxcroft invented that.  Hyping up the "first down" for the home team.  I hate it.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:42:17 AMEdmonton playing with confidence

Throwing bombs

Going for 2 at stupid times

that was a stupid call on there part.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 02:41:03 AMThey go after Kelly and no one else.

Wouldn't you?

Brutal

We dont get a PI

That was as stupid a play call as there is

A bomb to Daniel's what a stupid call.

don't love that play to daniels

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 02:40:54 AMYes it was, contact before ball arrived and didn't look back to play the ball

Looking back to play the ball has not factored into a PI call for years now.  It happens almost every incompletion - the D never looks back to make a play anymore and it is NEVER called just based on that.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 02:44:29 AMLooking back to play the ball has not factored into a PI call for years now.  It happens almost every incompletion - the D never looks back to make a play anymore and it is NEVER called just based on that.

Good point but early contact is

Someone else made the point about not looking back which could have avoided the contact

Why wouldn't EDM take that penalty and rekick?  Their return was bad, and the FP is bad.

Lots of time for Edmonton to get back in the game and score before half, and they will start with the ball in the third

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:43:47 AMWe dont get a PI

It wasnt PI..that's why.  I thought it was initially as a reflex but on the replay it was not.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:43:47 AMWe dont get a PI

Nope.  See Tecno's comments.  We won't get a call our way the rest of the game without our challenge.

Mack WIDE OPEN for a firs5 down

Dammit

Clearly didn't focus on tackling again this week in practice.

Tony beast!

tooooooony

nooooooo

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 02:44:29 AMLooking back to play the ball has not factored into a PI call for years now.  It happens almost every incompletion - the D never looks back to make a play anymore and it is NEVER called just based on that.

Good DBs do fake looking back -- just turn their heads without actually tracking the ball.  And it does influence when the refs call DPI.  If Kelly turns to look that'll likely not be DPI.

Jones had it.

JONES.....

ahhh Jones... :-\

Big hold for the D.  Good half, could have been great.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 02:46:13 AMNope.  See Tecno's comments.  We won't get a call our way the rest of the game without our challenge.

Daniels should have just edged himself into the defender to get rocked and force a PI call

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 02:44:10 AMA bomb to Daniel's what a stupid call.

After the 2nd and long run on the last drive, we do a bomber to a rookie TE..

Getting too cute and getting away from what was working the whole game.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:47:43 AMGood DBs do fake looking back -- just turn their heads without actually tracking the ball.  And it does influence when the refs call DPI.  If Kelly turns to look that'll likely not be DPI.

Exactly I knew what you meant when you posted that earlier.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:38:54 AMWhy does Kelly never turn?

He would probably fall Down if he tried.

The red zone play calling is leaving something to be desired. We had chances for 3 more TD's and ended up with 2 FG's.

Kelly has had 2 really bad plays and one forced fumble. Shape up. We can't take a 50 yard PI.

I could have sworn Vaval had at least 1 play on defence?

Mafia & Condell went turtle on O for the last half of 2nd Q.  Almost no Brady runs on 1st down up until then, then all of a sudden 100% Brady run on 1st.

Clearly EDM will load the box on 1st in that case.  But we kept doing it as we just wanted to get out of the half.  And I don't know why... we had them on the ropes.

Maybe we thought we'd take advantage of a tired D.  But clearly they weren't tired enough.  Probably some heavy rotation.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 02:47:43 AMGood DBs do fake looking back -- just turn their heads without actually tracking the ball.  And it does influence when the refs call DPI.  If Kelly turns to look that'll likely not be DPI.

I just see so many plays where the D does not look back and throws up their arms to block the catch.  That isn't allowed either - never mind contact.  Even without contact you can't just throw your arms up to break up the catch, and yet it happens all the time, and is NEVER called anymore.

That used to be PI.  I know I am arguing another only partially related point now, but that one really bothers me.  Not making a play for the ball at all, just watching the receiver and seeing the ball is coming based on their movements to make the catch and then throwing up their arms to block.

Sorry for the long rant.  It's been bothering me for years and this reminded me of it.

Good half of football for us. I'm pretty happy.  Zach is throwing well, D showed up and Sergio has a new record.  Keep it going in the 2nd half.

Perhaps Condell and Younger did some work last week.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 02:48:47 AMDaniels should have just edged himself into the defender to get rocked and force a PI call

For sure.  But that's an art good RECs take 3+ years to learn (some never do).  Can't expect that from a huge rookie TE.

The mistake was throwing to a TE that the D covered.  That pass is what you do when the TE gets out undetected.  Zach needs to know that.  Should have thrown it to Eli in the flat instead!  ;D  ;D

I am sick of force feeding this Daniels guy. He is not working out.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 02:51:30 AMI just see so many plays where the D does not look back and throws up their arms to block the catch.  That isn't allowed either - never mind contact.  Even without contact you can't just throw your arms up to break up the catch, and yet it happens all the time, and is NEVER called anymore.

It's screening and it's in the book still... and yes, the CFL has not called screening in over a decade.  They simply do not care!

Like tandem blocking.  Both should be removed from the rule book.

It must kill Henoc Muamba to say nice things about Winnipeg

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 02:55:18 AMIt must kill Henoc Muamba to say nice things about Winnipeg

Yes, he does have a tendency to not be a fan.  You'd think he'd be kinder to the team who gave him his start.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 02:51:30 AMI just see so many plays where the D does not look back and throws up their arms to block the catch.  That isn't allowed either - never mind contact.  Even without contact you can't just throw your arms up to break up the catch, and yet it happens all the time, and is NEVER called anymore.

That used to be PI.  I know I am arguing another only partially related point now, but that one really bothers me.  Not making a play for the ball at all, just watching the receiver and seeing the ball is coming based on their movements to make the catch and then throwing up their arms to block.

Sorry for the long rant.  It's been bothering me for years and this reminded me of it.

Yes... not called anymore. Strange.

So advantage WPG going into the 2nd H.  Even if EDM manages to correct things, which they likely do, their D will be easily gassed if we can get any sort of drives going.

Only up 10, if I'm EDM I'm going full dink & dunk.  They are good at it, why not?  Cody being really impatient?  Their OC will have a talk with him.

Why on earth was Kelly 1-on-1 with people?  He's the bloody FS -- he's supposed to be HELP, not IT!  Make sure there's a real DB on those people!!

Can't go full-turtle and just run Brady every 1st down.  They've shown they will stop it (our 2-3 last drives of the 1st H!!).  We suck on 2nd & long -- so why volunteer for it??

2nd half will be like a completely different game and will be the defining moment of our season

GO BLUE!

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:05:43 AMCan't go full-turtle and just run Brady every 1st down.  They've shown they will stop it (our 2-3 last drives of the 1st H!!).  We suck on 2nd & long -- so why volunteer for it??

I dunno, i believe Zach can do it this game. He's looking good. Let's go!

Wilson get erased, followed by a big stop

Nice coverage. keep that up!

No idea why EDM runs up the B-gap there, when the edge clearly is our kryptonite!  Again, EDM O should read our forum.

BinBC was right, Vaval in.  Who was hurt??

Vaval on D you were right!

He's falling and has to survive the ground!!  That includes fighting for a tie!  By rule he has to win the tie on the ground!!

Why didn't command pause for a look??

Vaval definitely in on D.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 02:47:07 AMClearly didn't focus on tackling again this week in practice.

CBA only allows 1 hour of full contact per week, and only 12 times per year.

Major coverage

Who is Vaval replacing?

I do not like Vaval on D.  We do not need Vaval hurt.. memories of Grant getting hurt. That really hurt our season.  No thank you.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:13:14 AMHe's falling and has to survive the ground!!  That includes fighting for a tie!  By rule he has to win the tie on the ground!!

Seriously?  So by the rules that should've been incomplete?  Luke was wrong - tie does not go to the winner in this case?

Serious question, I want to know.

D becomes as leaky as ever of course.

TJ bbbbeast

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:14:26 AMWho is Vaval replacing?

It's either Moxey or we're throwing them a wrinkle getting Vaval in instead of Kelly!!

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:14:39 AMI do not like Vaval on D.  We do not need Vaval hurt.. memories of Grant getting hurt. That really hurt our season.  No thank you.

I don't either, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

nichols is so slow

We send only 3 on every god dam 2nd and long. So bloody annoying Younger's D makes me sick.

Quote from: VictorRomano on August 22, 2026, 03:13:49 AMCBA only allows 1 hour of full contact per week, and only 12 times per year.

That's fair.  How about addressing it in video review of all the brutal missed tackles for our D this year?  There is no shortage of that footage.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:16:00 AMIt's either Moxey or we're throwing them a wrinkle getting Vaval in instead of Kelly!!

Hopefully someone figures it out who is coming out for him

Did not see this coming

Must be working decent

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 03:14:47 AMSeriously?  So by the rules that should've been incomplete?  Luke was wrong - tie does not go to the winner in this case?

Serious question, I want to know.

By rule when REC is falling or diving when making the catch (which he was here) then he has to "survive the ground".  If he was there on his own, and at the end OOB the ball flies out, it's incomplete.  Doesn't matter that it was OOB.

I don't see how the same rule doesn't apply to a tie catch where Vaval comes up with it OOB.  From what I saw Vaval was 50% or more of that catch.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:16:00 AMIt's either Moxey or we're throwing them a wrinkle getting Vaval in instead of Kelly!!

Both CBs and Nichols are in.

It might be for Holm. Or it might be instead of Kelly. But Vaval is lining up all over. I've seen him deep and in the CB spot.

Youngers D been lights out all night.  It's working just fine.

His D makes me happy (tonight).  3 man rush a huge part of any D.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:14:39 AMI do not like Vaval on D.  We do not need Vaval hurt.. memories of Grant getting hurt. That really hurt our season.  No thank you.

He's too good to only use him a handful of snaps per night. There's no reason to worry about him getting hurt more than any other player.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 03:17:52 AMBoth CBs and Nichols are in.

It might be for Holm. Or it might be instead of Kelly. But Vaval is lining up all over. I've seen him deep and in the CB spot.

Thanks, sounds right.

That was so ugly. Wow.

3 two and outs in a row going back to the first half.  Trouble

gone ice cold on offense

Dont do that play on 2nd and 4.

Ugh

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 03:20:05 AMDont do that play on 2nd and 4.

Ugh

Not to Demski anyway.

Our pass game was ripping them a new one!!  They are keying on the run which means our pass game is more open.  So why are we turtling still!  We're up less than a major.

Braintrust has decided, like vs BC, our D is doing so well we'll win without doing anything.

This is the WRONG APPROACH!  We have them on the ropes, we should be striking and getting long drives.  We are giving the EDM D a ton of time to recover from the horrible ToP from 1st H.  Dumb dumb dumb.

If those were the 2 plays we planned to run over halftime, we're in trouble

Condell is not good. He just is not good at his job.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 03:20:57 AMNot to Demski anyway.

Its a good shake up play

Bad time to use it

Pound Brady for 3 yards at least

Stupid

Makes me nervous they are running Rankin in A & B.  They are planning something.  This is a setup.

Uh oh. Here comes the dink dunk hitch Cody 

Wide open receivers what do you know!

Just slipping into old habits now

It's like we are comfortable with a small lead and don't care if we add to it.  Add to it, LOTS please.

If Rankin cooks we cooked

I love Lawson diving full-weight on Rankin.  LOL

Secondary sucks.

This is the 2026 Blue Bombers I know, welcome back guys

Name calling is disrespectful

Dink & dunk always works against us.  Why EDM tried anything else is beyond me.

We're now into a score-for-score game.  Our O has to keep up.  EDM will just do this all game now.

It's like they adjusted and we didn't.  Familiar.

Almost impossible to stop Cody now

Good to see the pathetic JY defense playing the system again.  Complete garbage

HOW HOW HOW was he so wide open?

Our scheme always gives up the shallow wide out.  Always.  That's what we do.

The idea is our pass rush will get there.  Because that wide out takes a bit of time.  The problem is our pass rush rarely gets there.  Especially with 3.

u rush 3 and u give up that pass...shameful

I call Rankin on the next play with the run into end zone

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:26:41 AMIt's like they adjusted and we didn't.  Familiar.

Good coaches make adjustments, we don't have them anymore.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:26:41 AMIt's like they adjusted and we didn't.  Familiar.

at all fairness we usually are better in second half.

This D is suddenly got pathetic.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:28:01 AMHOW HOW HOW was he so wide open?

Because that's the scheme!  It's literally the scheme.  We are making that open on purpose.  Every time.  We shouldn't be puzzled by this by now.

Man losing Fletcher would be bad, anyone see what they working on?

u wont win with D plays like that...last in league in D  categories

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:28:24 AMI call Rankin on the next play with the run into end zone

I call TJ stuffs him

Back to regular scheduled programming...The Bombers could have buried the Elks in the first half. Instead they are keen to make the game "interesting". Sigh...

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 03:28:58 AMMan losing Fletcher would be bad, anyone see what they working on?

Don't think it's serious.  It could be an "injury" to let us get the redzone D on.

I think if we give up a TD here we cooked

I usually wouldn't say that this early but we need a stop

Edmonton Oline is holding ... a lot.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 03:28:33 AMat all fairness we usually are better in second half.

This D is suddenly got pathetic.

I remember we used to win in the 4th quarters when we had a real OC.  Good times.  I miss Buck. He was kinda boring but we won.

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:28:24 AMI call Rankin on the next play with the run into end zone

I hate that you were almost right.

Quote from: markf on August 22, 2026, 03:30:48 AMEdmonton Oline is holding ... a lot.

Agree but always the case both sides

yeah...they wont win this one

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:30:27 AMDon't think it's serious.  It could be an "injury" to let us get the redzone D on.

Hope you are right

I have no idea why we (and other teams) let Cody sneak so easily.  It's Cody!  He's probably the worst SY QB in the league.  Someone hit him going in!

Well, there we go, all that 1st H work is wiped out.  Should have gotten those 2 extra TDs.

We let them get the morale back.  And we don't have it anymore.  And our "leaders" usually suck at getting it back.

Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 22, 2026, 03:32:14 AMyeah...they wont win this one

Need a turn over, specials teams place etc.

It's a barnstormer now.  We won't stop the dink & dunk.  We need to match TDs.  That's all there is to it.

At least now that we're tied Mafia should be stopping that full turtle mode.

Con't  do anything right coming out at the half.
Are these coaches for real?

Edmonton finally coming to senses and doing what works

We are running delayed misdirection draws to Demski

Geez. 

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:32:50 AMI have no idea why we (and other teams) let Cody sneak so easily.  It's Cody!  He's probably the worst SY QB in the league.  Someone hit him going in!

Well, there we go, all that 1st H work is wiped out.  Should have gotten those 2 extra TDs.

We let them get the morale back.  And we don't have it anymore.  And our "leaders" usually suck at getting it back.

Didn't stomp the neck while it was outside the shell 1st half.  They are now running down hill.

Next score wins this game, seeing we haven't had  a first down in 15 minutes I don't like our chances

Dustin is annoying. He blathers so much.

Can still pull this out i think, hope

Pts here or we lose

Well, we gave EDM D an entire quarter of rest.

Zach suddenly inaccurate.  Weird, and not good.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 03:35:03 AMDustin is annoying. He blathers so much.

syncing up to the radio is way better.

Chicken is overdone.  Left the pot on the stove.

ice cold. 

take zack out now

Mullet is lame but he is right.

Do o even want to watch the rest of this? ::)

Terrible throw. WHole team is off now.  Not great.

Big Stan

This game is over folks, complete 180.  Bombers are now getting pushed around.  Fire all the coaches now please.

They might block a punt today

Swagger is back... I remember those days for Winnipeg when we had a solid defence

Punter was hit? No flag? of course.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 03:36:51 AMThis game is over folks, complete 180.  Bombers are now getting pushed around.  Fire all the coaches now please.

Terrible idea.  But yes we cooked.

Bryant standing and watching Zach go down after getting beat. Wonderful  ::)

Dont like the 1st down 20 yard over throw by Zach

Then 2nd down he can barely walk off field

You could see this happening at the end of the first half when we went ultra conservative losing all momentum Once again we can't adjust anything at half time

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:37:34 AMPunter was hit? No flag? of course.

I thought so too

**** D is back

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:37:19 AMSwagger is back... I remember those days for Winnipeg when we had a solid defence

Yeah back in the day could dial it up.  Crazy how we fizzled.

Momentum and morale have shifted 180.  But it's not over yet.  Are there any winners on our team?  Or are they just going to fold?

We are not going to do it on D.  It will be full dink & dunk with one deep shot every 8 snaps.  That is how good teams beat us.

Now we're short a possession, they will TD on this drive and we will have to play catch-up and get a TD every single time and hope we have the ball last.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:38:56 AMMomentum and morale have shifted 180.  But it's not over yet.  Are there any winners on our team?  Or are they just going to fold?

We are not going to do it on D.  It will be full dink & dunk with one deep shot every 8 snaps.  That is how good teams beat us.

Now we're short a possession, they will TD on this drive and we will have to play catch-up and get a TD every single time and hope we have the ball last.

Make or freaking break

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:35:39 AMWell, we gave EDM D an entire quarter of rest.

Zach suddenly inaccurate.  Weird, and not good.

It's called adjustments.  Our brain trust are missing the brain part so we put trust in old players who can't go the distance anymore.  This is what we'll get this year.  Non playoff team for sure, and will lose 5 in a row.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 03:36:51 AMThis game is over folks, complete 180.  Bombers are now getting pushed around.  Fire all the coaches now please.

Its a learning curve, trust the process...blah blah its like watching a horror movie

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 03:36:39 AMBig Stan

How can the coaches not see him whiffing, game after game, without doing anything... to help.

It's hard to understand.

Nice stop, bringing Holm to the box.

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:37:19 AMSwagger is back... I remember those days for Winnipeg when we had a solid defence

Where is Lenny Walls when you need him? Swaggerville founder. Came from Eskimos as well.

Good news, it's tied. Bad news, we had -5 yards in the third.  We have a quarter to go.  We don't have the momentum right now, but we are still in this.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 03:39:37 AMIt's called adjustments.  Our brain trust are missing the brain part so we put trust in old players who can't go the distance anymore.  This is what we'll get this year.  Non playoff team for sure, and will lose 5 in a row.

Ya, but I don't care what do on D.  Our D is gonna give up the dink & dunk game every day.  We should just let them run every time for a TD to save our D the exhaustion.

The only way to win now is to have the O drive & score every time.

Haha, Cody go impatient again!!  Cody you dolt, if you d&d you will win, why are you taking shots??

Good D there

All the momentum is with Edmonton....it's a complete reversal of the first half....Edmonton will win this as we just don't have the horses to come back....more like ponies!  We actually had a net loss in yardage in the third quarter.  Collaros looks completely lost and demoralized....not warrior like!

Bad D there lol

This D won't make another stop and the O won't put up anymore pts. 21 pt loss when it ends.

HEY YOUNGER THEY ARE DINKING AND DUNK8MG YOU TO DEATH BLOODY HELL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

DL hasn't gotten to Cody even once.  Have to mix it up.  If no pressure we will not have a chance.

Our dline is doing nothing

Younger's D death by a 1,000,000 cuts.

Ok D do or die

Holy shyt, someone actually did something.

Ha, Cofaj sux

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 03:42:36 AMThis D won't make another stop and the O won't put up anymore pts. 21 pt loss when it ends.

I'll take them odds lol

#1d lol

Cody running around like a chicken

Thank you Fajardo.

Haha there is the Jar Jar Doh I know.

We needed that! woooo

Now let's see if we can do anything with this turn

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 03:44:30 AMHoly shyt, someone actually did something.

keep up the negative **** like me. It works. ;)

Could it be we actually adjusted and put D in the way of the dink & dunk and took away the free wide out??  Gave up the deep routes to stop the d&d??  Now THAT's something new and would definitely throw these d&d teams for a loop.  Love to see the all-24 on that.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 03:42:41 AMHEY YOUNGER THEY ARE DINKING AND DUNK8MG YOU TO DEATH BLOODY HELL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

Its funny

Edmonton and Cody are so cocky now they thought they could just throw bombs and beat us

Instead of "trusting the process" of the dink dunk , which is proven Bomber D killer

Good fumble

Go blue

It's pitch and catch time....it we can allow just a FG it will be a minor miracle....however it's second and.....a fumble by Fajardo!!  I think we dodged one there however Collaros has lost his mojo and unless he gets it back it's only a matter of time before the Elks score....

Wow so close

Nice catch Pokey

Bad throw, another 2 and out

Bad ball Zach but yeah Wilson weird twist

Should have started Dru

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:48:05 AMNice catch Pokey

Nope

2nd and 4

Pure stupidity

Been so for many a years and Grey Cups

Quote from: bluengold204 on August 22, 2026, 03:48:36 AMShould have started Dru

Guaranteed to lose great idea

That miss by Pokey again is the game, he has to know where the sideline is.

What a brutal throw from Zach.

These guys. What a disaster, now Time count

****!!
why go for it and just manage the play and go for short drives?

No Brady ball?

and......Zach goes long but throws Wilson out of bounds....he was WIDE open however why aren't we going for the first down?!
Low percentage call.....AGAIN!

Zach is overthrowing a lot tonight.  Weird.  Usually it's the opposite.  That 100% should have been a catch.  That's sloppy.  Now we give it to EDM in FG range.

Just dumb.

It's like when Kenny started the '24 GC putting his heel OOB.  Little things like that separate the winners and losers.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 03:48:48 AM2nd and 4

Pure stupidity

Been so for many a years and Grey Cups

Condell is annoyed by his own stupidity.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 03:48:19 AMBad throw, another 2 and out

Yeah too bad Zach where is the touch? Dinged up maybe.  Techno mentioned the limp.

lol Zachy poo and Condell are just awful in this game.  A match made in heaven or is that hell?

Zach has come away with 3 points inside the red zone today on 3 chances.  0 first downs in the second half

Coaching is absolutely atrocious!

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 03:48:05 AMNice catch Pokey

Terrible throw to a wide open receiver.

Edmonton now will D&D down the field for the TD and our O will have no answer after that. Our Mojo is gone, Zach has completed 1 pass so far this half.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:49:48 AMZach is overthrowing a lot tonight.  Weird.  Usually it's the opposite.  That 100% should have been a catch.  That's sloppy.  Now we give it to EDM in FG range.

Just dumb.

It's like when Kenny started the '24 GC putting his heel OOB.  Little things like that separate the winners and losers.

Good point too much too little

How about just right, fine line this game

Entertainment value is great mind you

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:49:33 AM****!!
why go for it and just manage the play and go for short drives?

Because that was a wide open REC and a guaranteed 40-80Y catch and momentum-swinger.  Of course you take that shot.  We probably spent all game setting that shot up and now it's wasted on 0Y.

Zach & Pokey needed to execute.

Nice sneak

One first down and they're in FG range....however we'd be fortunate to hold them to a tre

How is Condell still coaching

D gased and whipped

now we can't stop Rankin. Here are the real Bombers, I did not recognize the white team in the first half.

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 03:52:07 AMHow is Condell still coaching

The same way JY is still coaching

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 03:52:07 AMHow is Condell still coaching

Better to keep him at this point but I would not bring him back.

Time for this mafia the be taken out.

Dink dunk is back

HEY JORDAN THEY ARE DINKING AND DUNKING TO DEATH YOU STUPID STUPID MAN!

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 03:52:30 AMD gased and whipped

Yup.  DL is toast.  Gaps opening up.  You can see it in realtime.  Soon they won't be able to stop Rankin.

Shades of the BC game.

Need to stop them or just let them get the free TD.  Save our energy for the final couple of drives.

Who's in for Tony?  Cadwall?

Man no TJ will cripple us

Why we waste a time out?

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 03:53:00 AMThe same way JY is still coaching

they both equally suck. MOS sucks to. Can't even challenge smartly anymore.

Great now Tony Jones is down, he looks like he is fine

2nd and five is basically a gimme against our d

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:54:37 AMYup.  DL is toast.  Gaps opening up.  You can see it in realtime.  Soon they won't be able to stop Rankin.

Shades of the BC game.

Need to stop them or just let them get the free TD.  Save our energy for the final couple of drives.

Who's in for Tony?  Cadwall?

Woodbey

I'm Edmonton 8 Am ruin g t(e ball here.

Or just dink and dunk much more.

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Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 03:53:19 AMBetter to keep him at this point but I would not bring him back.

clips, and he looks good doing it.

I'm secretly hoping ZC will be our OC next year. THey keep showing him doing those teaching

I don't think the refs have called any penalties against Edmonton all game. NOT ONE!

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 03:55:24 AM2nd and five is basically a gimme against our d

everytime. Literally.

Thank god for a drop

MOS does not suck.  One of best coaches we have had for years.  Record and cups prove it.

Haha, some loser REC proved Younger right.  LOL.  That's dangerous.  We need Younger to FAIL so he'll CHANGE his scheme.

Okay missed field goal and Vaval returns it all the way.  calling it now.

(just wishful thinking...)

That's a win giving up 3

The DBs are  7 yards off each WR. This is so stupid to watch.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 03:57:05 AMOkay missed field goal and Vaval returns it all the way.  calling it now.

We need something like that BAD

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 03:57:02 AMHaha, some loser REC proved Younger right.  LOL.  That's dangerous.  We need Younger to FAIL so he'll CHANGE his scheme.

You're wasting the time even mantuining that.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 03:56:58 AMMOS does not suck.  One of best coaches we have had for years.  Record and cups prove it.

Who said he does? He's one of the best in the CFL. We are lucky to have him despite what some think.  A great CFL mind.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:56:18 AMclips, and he looks good doing it.
I'm secretly hoping ZC will be our OC next year. THey keep showing him doing those teaching

He's going into broadcasting, not coaching. Also, you don't promote a player directly to OC.

OK, we have a "free" extra drive here.  O needs a TD.  Do that and we have a shot.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 03:59:18 AMHe's going into broadcasting, not coaching. Also, you don't promote a player directly to OC.

Cool.  Eh, I can dream of getting rid of Condell can't I?

Watch this be yet another 2 and out...

Can't run on first.  Everyone knows we will and Brady is easily stopped when you load it up.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 03:59:14 AMWho said he does? He's one of the best in the CFL. We are lucky to have him despite what some think.  A great CFL mind.

Someone did on this thread
Others said fire all coaches
Knee jerk imo

Surely I'm dreaming.  Nield caught something?

Zach throwing hot & high again.

Spoke too soon.  Worst high-paid NAT.

Watch 1st down lol

Yeah. I'm done with Neild.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:00:21 AMCan't run on first.  Everyone knows we will and Brady is easily stopped when you load it up.

There was a time we could run at will on first and not be stopped.

That time has passed.

So bad this guy is paid 2x his worth

yaaaay a first down in the second half

5:00 left in the half

Get rid of Nield. Just done with this useless player.

*** Nield like that's your only job

Quote from: The Zipp on August 22, 2026, 04:01:29 AMyaaaay a first down in the second half

5:00 left in the half

:D

Air ball terrible

Annnnnnd that's the game folks as Edmonton will chew up the clock now.

It's ok.  Same as a punt.  Though, surely he's down at the 5 and not a free out-to-35 EZ turnover??

There's the overthrow again.

Collaros is so bad

Horrid inaccurate ball. Stupid stupid stupid call from Stupid Tommy. Why? why?

It makes NOOOO sense.

This guy is as bad as Hogan.

Zach lights out early

Lights not on since

So typical of ZC to throw an interception ...

We could get a stop...and get it back?

Zach overthrows now.  :D

Quote from: barbk on August 22, 2026, 04:03:25 AMSo typical of ZC to throw an interception ...

Cody does those too though..

How is it on 2nd and 10 its always a foregone conclusion that we turn over the ball, Zac is DONE

Zach watching his air ball mental note I am not the punter lol

If Zach leads Pokey more to the rail there, away from the FS, then it's not an INT.  He vastly underestimates the range of the FS.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:01:45 AM*** Nield like that's your only job

He stinks. Why is he on this team still?

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:02:31 AMIt's ok.  Same as a punt.  Though, surely he's down at the 5 and not a free out-to-35 EZ turnover??

There's the overthrow again.

Honestly it's better than a punt - no chance for runback.  Too bad it's essentially punting on 2nd down

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:04:05 AMHow is it on 2nd and 10 its always a foregone conclusion that we turn over the ball, Zac is DONE

Nah he isn't done but hero to terrible so fast today, must be knicked

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 22, 2026, 04:03:06 AMHorrid inaccurate ball. Stupid stupid stupid call from Stupid Tommy. Why? why?

It makes NOOOO sense.

This guy is as bad as Hogan.

This went absolutely perfectly, Zach just threw a bad ball.

We've been complaining our receivers aren't getting open. But Pokey was wide open, running for a TD and Zach tosses it over his head to a defender instead.

If we were still tied this wouldn't be so bad.  But now that we're down EDM can just do basically nothing but get 4.5 each on 1st & 2nd and SY the conversion.  They will not turn it over anymore.

And since they have the entire field, they can bleed that sucker for 3:00 easily.

They call stupid plays to. :D

Edmonton assuming they would draw a PI on that bomb.  Thankfully it didn't happen.

whoa oh living on a prayer

Vaval looks mint

Zac no longer has the arm to go deep, and what's his fascination with Wilson? He has one of the lowest catch to targets in the league

What is EDM doing??  Are they not reading us?  You don't beat WPG like that.  Holy smokes if we win this it's because EDM OC is clueless.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:05:57 AMIf we were still tied this wouldn't be so bad.  But now that we're down EDM can just do basically nothing but get 4.5 each on 1st & 2nd and SY the conversion.  They will not turn it over anymore.

And since they have the entire field, they can bleed that sucker for 3:00 easily.

They have stupid coaches too

Dont worry

Nice tackle

We are already in fg range.  This ain't over.

The Bomber's used to be fun to watch. They are now not that way anymore.

No, no yards call?

These refs stink like ****.

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:06:51 AMZac no longer has the arm to go deep, and what's his fascination with Wilson? He has one of the lowest catch to targets in the league

Wilson is very good
Zach can throw 45 yards

Wasnt that no yards?

We are set up to win this game.  It will never be easier than it is right now.  We're in the perfect setup.

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:06:51 AMZac no longer has the arm to go deep, and what's his fascination with Wilson? He has one of the lowest catch to targets in the league

Am I taking crazy pills? Zach had too much arm and overthrew the wide open Pokey.

Quote from: 55StickCar on August 22, 2026, 04:07:37 AMThe Bomber's used to be fun to watch. They are now not that way anymore.

Game has been great

How the heck is that not no yards

Again yards not given and no flag, Edmonton will finish the game with 0 penalties called against them unreal and not believable. This is what happens when you waste your challenge early.

Run the ball jesus

Zach is so gimpy it is difficult to watch.

Holding on Bombers

Zach needs to bounce back up instantly at this point in the game.  If he lingers on turf the spotter will yank him.

YOU RUN THE BALL THERE 99 TIMES OUT OF 100

this OC is no better than Hogan

Demski saved Zachs life

Dumbass collaros eating the sack... put drew in if we get another chance

Well Oline..

LMAO

this is so poorly designed. Just bad.

Thank god we have Sergio

Once again Zac can't read a blitz the elks are playing to win we are playing not to lose

Elks will win on walk-off field goal at least.

Ok D its time for you to pull up the pampers and make a play

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:10:08 AMZach needs to bounce back up instantly at this point in the game.  If he lingers on turf the spotter will yank him.

That wouldn't be a bad thing

Thank god for Sergio

Zach has no quick trigger

His fault

Can barely take a touch football tackle too

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:10:41 AMOnce again Zac can't read a blitz

Yes he can bad play call

Now we have the near-impossible task of not giving EDM FG range.  And their K has been extremely good all season.  Easily do 50+.

Need a huge stop on the return.

Sergio does his job quite well.

Maybe Cody will throw a bomb and we get a pick

Defense needs to hold them!!

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 04:11:07 AMZach has no quick trigger

His fault

Can barely take a touch football tackle too

Yes needed to toss it away

His biggest weakness

I wonder if O'Shea and Younger watched what a D should do on second and long when it counts.

Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 22, 2026, 04:10:44 AMElks will win on walk-off field goal at least.

ok thanks, bye.

Quote from: bluengold204 on August 22, 2026, 04:10:59 AMThat wouldn't be a bad thing

You realize youre on a FAN FORUM?

Quote from: bluengold204 on August 22, 2026, 04:10:59 AMThat wouldn't be a bad thing

Great way to guarantee a loss for 2nd time

too much time left for the Elks to kick a tre....all we can do now is 🙏🙏

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:11:35 AMYes needed to toss it away

His biggest weakness

Could see the blitz coming from mile a way

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:10:41 AMOnce again Zac can't read a blitz

He knew it.  The problem is he's gun-shy.  He's so scared of throwing an INT there.  Sometimes you just need to let it rip on a medium-percentage one-on-one to win games.

Special teams are special

Nice coverage, Hazen

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:12:34 AMHe knew it.  The problem is he's gun-shy.  He's so scared of throwing an INT there.  Sometimes you just need to let it rip on a medium-percentage one-on-one to win games.

Ding ding ding

Welp. We had hope for one half. Elks will run the ball, run the clock down, get the walk off field goal.

#1d #1d lol

Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on August 22, 2026, 04:12:25 AMtoo much time left for the Elks to kick a tre....all we can do now is 🙏🙏

Ready for the dink and dunk special for 96 seconds!

Too much time on the clock.  This isn't good.  The bright side is EDM will NOT be in 3 down mode.  So that's in our favor.

Nice throw Kelly late

At least we're still sticking to the process and playing a soft zone giving up easy yards.

Rankin got juice

Offside

Quote from: TrueBlue75 on August 22, 2026, 04:13:09 AMWelp. We had hope for one half. Elks will run the ball, run the clock down, get the walk off field goal.

likely

Rankin needs a break lol

We can't blitz.  It never works.  He's trusting the scheme.

Should have just let Rankin run the whole way.  Now we lose.

Uncomfortable now..

Younger gotta go

Poor tackling cost us the win again.

Dink n dunk n hitch

Rankin lights out

Bombers lights out bad tackling

What on earth tackling was that at the LoS???

Jefferson was hauled down

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:15:26 AMWe can't blitz.  It never works.  He's trusting the scheme.

Should have just let Rankin run the whole way.  Now we lose.

Agree

How is our D standing on the 1st down yard line, and waiting for him to come to him instead of closing?! 

Edm OC knows what to do. Younger is to stupid yo adjust.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:15:52 AMWhat on earth tackling was that at the LoS???

So sad

So stupid.

Poor tackling #2

Embarrassing missed tackle

#9d

Wow - phenomenal tackling by us yet again.

They threw it?? weird.

great tackling....Rankin just beat 4 Bomber tacklers and they're already in FG range!!

Good battle we beat ourself today

Such bad tackling

Shank

I feel sick

Well, hand it to EDM, they got like 20m TOP in 2nd H and our D got gassed.  Just like we did to them in the 1st H.

That kick looked a little wide, but whatever.

Good game better team won

Enjoyed that

I guess that went through

Pathetic

Same ol' problems.

Don't agree with name calling

I hope that's Osh giving directions for Youngers taxi to get him out of here

This loss was worse than the bc one.

Just not a good team.  From GM to coach, to coordinators to players.  This is a bad football team, period!  Bigger issue is this is an bad 'Old' football team.  Save your money folks, empty the stands.  This team is making money hand over fist and this is what they give you?  The run started just seconds ago, we won't see a win until maybe October.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:19:08 AMI hope that's Osh giving directions for Youngers taxi to get him out of here

Good way to throw away the season

The disrespectful comments (name calling) today on the GDT were disappointing

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 04:19:18 AMJust not a good team.  From GM to coach, to coordinators to players.  This is a bad football team, period!  Bigger issue is this is an bad 'Old' football team.  Save your money folks, empty the stands.  This team is making money hand over fist and this is what they give you?  The run started just seconds ago, we won't see a win until maybe October.
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Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:19:08 AMI hope that's Osh giving directions for Youngers taxi to get him out of here

ordering an Uber

I'm OK with JY being dismissed on Monday.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:19:57 AMGood way to throw away the season

Exactly younger and condell did just that

Zach shows us once again he is one of the worst QBs in the league and probably the most overpaid player in the league. I said as much when he signed his extension a few years ago.

When starters are healthy there is only one in Jake Meier who is worse than Zach.  He can't retire soon enough.

I am skipping the Montreal game. Not worth my time.

What kind of coordinators do we have. Very very pathetic!

Condell and Younger gotta go!

Hey Walters we need receivers!. White and Demski are not enough.

O'Shea stop your obsession of playing Canadians more than required. Field the best team that can win. 

THAT there was what we call a nuclear meltdown by the Bombers....poor coaching....poor play calling and poor tackling.    We look like our record.....5-5 with the best team in the CFL on deck!    Brady had what 126 yards rushing in the first half and what 7 yards in the 2nd half?  Great offensive strategy there Condell!!

That has to be some kind of record for the CFL, 0 penalties called against a team.

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:19:15 AMThis loss was worse than the bc one.

Nah we played good, played bad and lost a close one to the 2nd best team

Disappointed in the effort but some good signs at times

Beat ourself, many lessons to learn but a few things we can build on

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:19:15 AMThis loss was worse than the bc one.

No, it's not.  BC with no QB was a gimmee.  This was a super close one where EDM had to win it on the last drive.

Remember, EDM is the best or 2nd best team in the league.  The fact we made it close means we aren't a 8th or 9th place team.

I don't blame the D.  I blame the O for being 100% useless in the 2nd H, especially their last drive.  Get a TD there and we likely win because EDM then needs a TD to match.  Kind of like our GC losses: the O just can't get it done when they need to.

Football is a 60 minute game. We played the 1st 30 minutes. It took 25 minutes to get our 1st 1st down of the 2nd half.

Failure on offence and failure on defence.

Too many points not made when opportunity existed early in the game. One potential pick 6 dropped.

We found ways to lose instead of looking to win.

There is no consolation in losing on the last play in game 10.

I stand by my thought of firing Younger. His defence does not work.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:20:29 AMThe disrespectful comments (name calling) today on the GDT were disappointing

He is the reason we lost this game.. His poor scheme.  We cannot do any worse on defense.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:18:10 AMWell, hand it to EDM, they got like 20m TOP in 2nd H and our D got gassed.  Just like we did to them in the 1st H.

That kick looked a little wide, but whatever.

Their coordinators took Younger and Condell to school.

Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on August 22, 2026, 04:22:09 AMTHAT there was what we call a nuclear meltdown by the Bombers....poor coaching....poor play calling and poor tackling.    We look like our record.....5-5 with the best team in the CFL on deck!    Brady had what 126 yards rushing in the first half and what 7 yards in the 2nd half?  Great offensive strategy there Condell!!

Sad that two years in a row hand cuffed by 1st a rookie OC and now a bad vet OC.  Unfortunate.

3 weeks from now we will almost certainly be 5-8. Tough games coming up.

Honestly, I probably would have been less angry than I am if they had been blown out. I went in thinking it could be ugly. Then they actually showed up at the start of the game and brought the hope only to be snuffed out in a horrible second half. Just disgusted with many aspects of this team at the moment. There is no moral victory in keeping it close on the scoreboard with a top team.

Remember MOS gambling on the Edmonton 5 yard line instead of kicking the FG, how big did that turn out to be.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:22:22 AMNo, it's not.  BC with no QB was a gimmee.  This was a super close one where EDM had to win it on the last drive.

Remember, EDM is the best or 2nd best team in the league.  The fact we made it close means we aren't a 8th or 9th place team.

I don't blame the D.  I blame the O for being 100% useless in the 2nd H, especially their last drive.  Get a TD there and we likely win because EDM then needs a TD to match.  Kind of like our GC losses: the O just can't get it done when they need to.

Starts with a below average qb who has a weak arm

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:22:51 AMHe is the reason we lost this game.. His poor scheme.  We cannot do any worse on defense.

Name calling is against forum rules.  Nothing can justify some of the disrespectful comments presented today.  A better way to post ones opinion.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:19:57 AMGood way to throw away the season

You keep him you throw it away anyways.  This D has zero imagination, can't blitz (more because they just don't and truly have forgotten how), and can't cover.  9 guys in coverage with holes all over the place yet Younger keeps doing the same.  He is one of the bottom 3 coordinators in the league, not worth keeping.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:23:13 AMSad that two years in a row hand cuffed by 1st a rookie OC and now a bad vet OC.  Unfortunate.

And a bad QB.

Quote from: Horseman on August 22, 2026, 04:24:20 AMRemember MOS gambling on the Edmonton 5 yard line instead of kicking the FG, how big did that turn out to be.

You take the pts 99/100 agree

I feel bad for Sergio and Brady....wasted efforts agsin!!

Nice adjustments on the 2nd half for the Elks.  PLaying the bombers is like a free bingo chip for a win.  So frustrating to watch.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:24:54 AMAnd a bad QB.

Hall of famer at the end of his rope.  Below average, not bad.  Injury prone.

Its the same every game, what ever we have working in the first half opposing teams find a way to adjust meanwhile we do absolutely nothing

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 04:24:41 AMYou keep him you throw it away anyways.  This D has zero imagination, can't blitz (more because they just don't and truly have forgotten how), and can't cover.  9 guys in coverage with holes all over the place yet Younger keeps doing the same.  He is one of the bottom 3 coordinators in the league, not worth keeping.

Make the call in winter not summer

Rankin is a Bomber killer.

Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2026, 04:26:08 AMIts the same every game, what ever we have working in the first half opposing teams find a way to adjust meanwhile we do absolutely nothing

Our adjustments have sucked for a long time yes

Quote from: Horseman on August 22, 2026, 04:26:24 AMRankin is a Bomber killer.

Kills most

Quote from: Horseman on August 22, 2026, 04:22:15 AMThat has to be some kind of record for the CFL, 0 penalties called against a team.

That's what happens when you blow your challenge a few mins into the 1st Q.  No incentive for the refs to play it straight.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:25:39 AMHall of famer at the end of his rope.  Below average, not bad.  Injury prone.

Below average...bad.  Doesn't matter.  His TD: INT ratio is barely over 1:1 since the mid-2023 season. 

Gotta give Elks props

That's a good club

Thought this one was mostly on Zach. He had numerous opportunities and just whiffed on them.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:27:06 AMBelow average...bad.  Doesn't matter.  His TD: INT ratio is barely over 1:1 since the mid-2023 season.

My position stands.  Not a bad Qb.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:27:51 AMThought this one was mostly on Zach. He had numerous opportunities and just whiffed on them.

Hero to terrible, yes.  Others to blame as well.

Quote from: Horseman on August 22, 2026, 04:24:20 AMRemember MOS gambling on the Edmonton 5 yard line instead of kicking the FG, how big did that turn out to be.

Sure, but how many times do ppl complain we don't go for it? It is big looking back but I'm personally happy we tried something different.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:27:51 AMThought this one was mostly on Zach. He had numerous opportunities and just whiffed on them.

Ding ding ding

Quote from: Horseman on August 22, 2026, 04:24:20 AMRemember MOS gambling on the Edmonton 5 yard line instead of kicking the FG, how big did that turn out to be.

Ya, but nearly everyone here wanted them to go for it.  The problem was we didn't have any good 3rd & 3 in the book.  Maybe should have thrown Dru in for that one snap?  He got a bunch of 2PATs in his winning start.

Poor play calling in the red zone in the 1st half. Slightly under threw Wilson, pass too wide to White and an under throw on 3rd down with a turnover on downs. So 3 chances for a TD and we end up with 6 points.  Not going for the FG on 3rd and 3 was a bonehead call.

Throwing long passes on 2nd and short in the 2nd and short not too bright. 

It's not going to get any prettier from here on out.

Quote from: Horseman on August 22, 2026, 04:24:20 AMRemember MOS gambling on the Edmonton 5 yard line instead of kicking the FG, how big did that turn out to be.

I like that they went for it but the play call was wrong. Give it to Brady to get the first down (3 yards I think) and then get another set of downs. Just another dumb call by the OC.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:28:59 AMSure, but how many times do ppl complain we don't go for it? It is big looking back but I'm personally happy we tried something different.

I'm not over 90% of folks take the 3 ther3
Over reaction to previous mistake
Desperate measures

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:27:51 AMThought this one was mostly on Zach. He had numerous opportunities and just whiffed on them.

You always think that. It is tiring. How about that defense? Oline? Yeah, them too.

Feels like Elks just came down to earth at half time and realized what beats the Bombers and just went and did it

Bombers get a little too fancy in 2nd half and get away from Brady

Zach looking frazzled in 2nd half

Good game, defence played way better. Elks keyed on Brady second half and we had no answer plus elks turns the ball over a couple of times to help us out in the first half.

I thought O wilson was invisible out there for.the second straight gsme if Singer isn't worthy of a start being in geno, Denali and white can't carry the load we need a third receiving thfeat.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 04:30:13 AMPoor play calling in the red zone in the 1st half. Slightly under threw Wilson, pass too wide to White and an under throw on 3rd down with a turnover on downs. So 3 chances for a TD and we end up with 6 points.  Not going for the FG on 3rd and 3 was a bonehead call.

Throwing long passes on 2nd and short in the 2nd and short not too bright. 

It's not going to get any prettier from here on out.

Sums it up very well

That 1st half is peak Bomber ball and we threw it out

Dog fight now

We needed this one to save our season, next string of games almost impossible

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:28:24 AMMy position stands.  Not a bad Qb.

You just have no evidence for it.

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 04:31:44 AMGood game, defence played way better. Elks keyed on Brady second half and we had no answer plus elks turns the ball over a couple of times to help us out in the first half.

I thought O wilson was invisible out there for.the second straight gsme if Singer isn't worthy of a start being in geno, Denali and white can't carry the load we need a third receiving thfeat.

Good pts
Wilson was ok imo

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:26:56 AMThat's what happens when you blow your challenge a few mins into the 1st Q.  No incentive for the refs to play it straight.

I'm glad we challenged there and we should have won.

Collaros can't make the throws or take the hits anymore. If ever a quarterback looked broken, it's Zach. Oliveria can't run if he's schemed out.

Jordan Younger's defense hasn't played a full game all season. I'm not sure if Nichols has broken up a pass all season. Kelly routinely torched. Dropped INTs. A good half doesn't make a defense good.

A very winnable game lost.

I didn't hate Condells calling as much as some here. Zach just straight missed a lot of throws, and got trigger shy on a few others when he had guys open and took the sack. But they really do need to change some of our predictable patterns.

Younger gameplans are just horrid this year. When we need to stop guys short we're playing way off the line. Were giving them freebies in zone. Rushing 3 at bad times. Edmonton almost let us win this by trying to go longer too often. Were the easiest team in the league to get 8-12 yards on with how soft we play.

How many drops before we drop Nield? Can we please see Singer or Womack?

Texada should get a look at corner IMO. Moxey made one great play but has otherwise been below average all year. Vaval looks like he can make some plays but looks a little out of place on anything that isn't a deep ball.

We spent a lot of money this off-season. And outside of a few spots I legit believe we have enough good players to be a strong team. But we're looking out coached all over the field. How long does management let this rot in this "win now" mode we're in?

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:32:37 AMYou just have no evidence for it.

Poster said Zach was a bad QB.  He is not.  The evidence was presented based on his record and cups.  Fake news.

Below average as of late.  At the end of his rope.

You have no content here just stiring the pot.

Oh look. Hazen made an ST today. That was better than adding another import receiver?

Kelly made two horrible plays. I wasn't too impressed with K. Wilson either. Weak links beyond bad tackling in general.

Coming out flat in the 2nd half was predictable and giving up a TD to end the half also predictable.

I think I can see the bottom of the 5 gallon garbage can.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 04:31:04 AMFeels like Elks just came down to earth at half time and realized what beats the Bombers and just went and did it

Bombers get a little too fancy in 2nd half and get away from Brady

Zach looking frazzled in 2nd half

Bombers couldn't maintain their first.half energy and intensity and faded to black. collaros body language said it all, he looked down and beat the entire second half , just moped out there

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:33:23 AMI'm glad we challenged there and we should have won.

No, I said at the time, well before the verdict, that we would lose.  Why did I know but MOS didn't?  We would win more games if MOS had me on hand to tell him when not to challenge.  I study this stuff and clearly understand it better than he does.  I called the other bad early challenge the other week too.

The league doesn't care that your QB is glass and can't take a tap onto his butt.  We might care.  But to no other QB is that "roughing" -- they'd just laugh at it.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:30:48 AMYou always think that. It is tiring. How about that defense? Oline? Yeah, them too.

Defence nearly pitched a shut out in the first half. Only allowed 22 points. This was probably their best game of the season. OL held up really well for 90% of the game.

Zach was overthrowing open guys and cost us points.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:28:24 AMMy position stands.  Not a bad Qb.

Except he was bad tonight.  Terrible throws.  Poor decision-making ie. taking the sack to nearly take the Bombers out of field goal range on their last possession.  A not-bad qb recognizes what is happening in that instance and doesn't eat the sack.  Thankfully we have one of the best long-distance field goal kickers in the league that briefly saved Zach from his own incompetence albeit only briefly.

My position stands.

Quote from: towelie on August 22, 2026, 04:33:49 AMI didn't hate Condells calling as much as some here. Zach just straight missed a lot of throws, and got trigger shy on a few others when he had guys open and took the sack. But they really do need to change some of our predictable patterns.

Younger gameplans are just horrid this year. When we need to stop guys short we're playing way off the line. Were giving them freebies in zone. Rushing 3 at bad times. Edmonton almost let us win this by trying to go longer too often. Were the easiest team in the league to get 8-12 yards on with how soft we play.

How many drops before we drop Nield? Can we please see Singer or Womack?

Texada should get a look at corner IMO. Moxey made one great play but has otherwise been below average all year. Vaval looks like he can make some plays but looks a little out of place on anything that isn't a deep ball.

We spent a lot of money this off-season. And outside of a few spots I legit believe we have enough good players to be a strong team. But we're looking out coached all over the field. How long does management let this rot in this "win now" mode we're in?

Hard no the Texada until we out of playoffs, make some interesting points

Quote from: TrueBlue75 on August 22, 2026, 04:30:30 AMI like that they went for it but the play call was wrong. Give it to Brady to get the first down (3 yards I think) and then get another set of downs. Just another dumb call by the OC.

Uh, did you see them stuffing Brady for 0-2Y basically every run in the 2nd H?  Ya, there was no way EDM was giving Brady a free 1st down on 3rd & 3 there.  It had to be thrown.  Maybe that's the time you pull out some creative trick you've been working on?  Pull out your 2PAT tricks but apply them to the 5YL?  So many options.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:35:02 AMPoster said Zach was a bad QB.  He is not.  The evidence was presented based on his record and cups.  Fake news.

Below average as of late.  At the end of his rope.

You have no content here just stiring the pot.

If below average is not bad then I'd hate to see your definition of bad

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:36:00 AMExcept he was bad tonight.  Terrible throws.  Poor decision-making ie. taking the sack to nearly take the Bombers out of field goal range on their last possession.  A not-bad qb recognizes what is happening in that instance and doesn't eat the sack.  Thankfully we have one of the best long-distance field goal kickers in the league that briefly saved Zach from his own incompetence albeit only briefly.

My position stands.

You stated a generalized statment about Zach that is false.  He is not a bad QB.  Great start terrible finish today.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 04:35:23 AMOh look. Hazen made an ST today. That was better than adding another import receiver?

Kelly made two horrible plays. I wasn't too impressed with K. Wilson either. Weak links beyond bad tackling in general.

Coming out flat in the 2nd half was predictable and giving up a TD to end the half also predictable.

I think I can see the bottom of the 5 gallon garbage can.

K wilson made some nice run stops, O wilson did zip all game

Quote from: bluengold204 on August 22, 2026, 04:37:16 AMIf below average is not bad then I'd hate to see your definition of bad

Bad fair below average good great elite

Not a hard concept

Collaros is probably the 7th or 8th best starter in the league this year. That is bad by almost all definitions in a 9 team league.

He's done. Was done. Is done. Time to retire.

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 04:37:56 AMK wilson made some nice fun stops, I wilson did zip all gzme

Wilson was average imo on D

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:35:02 AMPoster said Zach was a bad QB.  He is not.  The evidence was presented based on his record and cups.  Fake news.

Below average as of late.  At the end of his rope.

You have no content here just stiring the pot.

If anything, you're stirring the pot. We're discussing Zach right now and you're right, he's below average. He's in the bottom tier of starting QBs in the league.

He was great. I have his jersey. He's an all time Blue Bomber. He's just not that guy anymore.

Skipping the home Montreal game.
Bailing on going to Regina
Debating going to the BB
Do I keep my 2 ST next year? Not sure at this point.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:27:51 AMThought this one was mostly on Zach. He had numerous opportunities and just whiffed on them.

Yes, this one is on Zach.  And Nield and Pokey for screwing up do-able balls.  Notice how Luther (no-name rookie) produced when he was called upon at the end?  Ya, so Nield had to do exactly the same thing a drive earlier and whiffed.  We aren't the type of team that can recover from even one whiff on O.  Every single play has to get some sort of yards.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 22, 2026, 04:38:26 AMCollaros is probably the 7th or 8th best starter in the league this year. That is bad by almost all definitions in a 9 team league.

The statement was generalized not presented as a commentary of his play this year, big difference.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:39:49 AMYes, this one is on Zach.  And Nield and Pokey for screwing up do-able balls.  Notice how Luther (no-name rookie) produced when he was called upon at the end?  Ya, so Nield had to do exactly the same thing a drive earlier and whiffed.  We aren't the type of team that can recover from even one whiff on O.  Every single play has to get some sort of yards.

Agree but play calling and coaching decisions played a roll as well, adjustments were a big factor.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 22, 2026, 04:38:26 AMCollaros is probably the 7th or 8th best starter in the league this year. That is bad by almost all definitions in a 9 team league.

He's done. Was done. Is done. Time to retire.

plus 3rd highest paid QB. The Bombers are getting hosed now. Walters is stupid.

Going to all games until I die, even if we don't win another lol

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:35:02 AMPoster said Zach was a bad QB.  He is not.  The evidence was presented based on his record and cups.  Fake news.

Below average as of late.  At the end of his rope.

You have no content here just stiring the pot.

Below average quarterback for 3 years now...with a nearly 1:1 td/int ratio.  Facts!

Got taken to the woodshed by the much-maligned Cody Fajardo and backup Arbuckle in back-to-back Grey Cups.  Facts!

Has displayed below average arm strength for about the same amount of time (3 years).  Facts!

Walters is an excellent GM.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:35:44 AMNo, I said at the time, well before the verdict, that we would lose.  Why did I know but MOS didn't?  We would win more games if MOS had me on hand to tell him when not to challenge.  I study this stuff and clearly understand it better than he does.  I called the other bad early challenge the other week too.

The league doesn't care that your QB is glass and can't take a tap onto his butt.  We might care.  But to no other QB is that "roughing" -- they'd just laugh at it.

You can study it all you want, if you think the refs call these things consistently, you're nuts.

It was a late hit and it would have put us on the 1 yard line. You throw that challenge every time.

Tommy 2drops drop for what would have been a 2 yard gain anyways on 1st down has so many problems in it

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:41:48 AMBelow average quarterback for 3 years now...with a nearly 1:1 td/int ratio.  Facts!

Got taken to the woodshed by the much-maligned Cody Fajardo and backup Arbuckle in back-to-back Grey Cups.  Facts!

Has displayed below average arm strength for about the same amount of time (3 years).  Facts!

Great we agree! Below average not bad.  Thanks for clearing that up lol.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 04:42:35 AMTommy 2drops drop for what would have been a 2 yard gain anyways on 1st down has so many problems in it

I don't agree with getting better by deletion but in this case we would.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:39:49 AMYes, this one is on Zach.  And Nield and Pokey for screwing up do-able balls.  Notice how Luther (no-name rookie) produced when he was called upon at the end?  Ya, so Nield had to do exactly the same thing a drive earlier and whiffed.  We aren't the type of team that can recover from even one whiff on O.  Every single play has to get some sort of yards.

Can't think of a Pokey screw up tonight. Just Zach missing him when he was wide open.

I'll have to pay attention if other teams in this league throw to their wide outs for 13 yard gains automatically or if it's just a product of the Younger defence

I don't even know who plays wide out for Bombers

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:42:07 AMYou can study it all you want, if you think the refs call these things consistently, you're nuts.

It was a late hit and it would have put us on the 1 yard line. You throw that challenge every time.

You throw that challenge early 10 out of 100 times at best

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:43:26 AMCan't think of a Pokey screw up tonight. Just Zach missing him when he was wide open.

He adjusted wrong as well to that wide open deep shot but yes ball was bad for sure

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:39:22 AMIf anything, you're stirring the pot. We're discussing Zach right now and you're right, he's below average. He's in the bottom tier of starting QBs in the league.

He was great. I have his jersey. He's an all time Blue Bomber. He's just not that guy anymore.

It's sad but true, he is half the Qb he used to be, but the thing is, he's out best Qb by far, Brown couldn't carry his cleats to.the field. Zach played ok, he needed help from his receivers to make a play on the ball like edmontons receivers did, so much for 50/50 balls, our guys don't even contest them

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:37:38 AMYou stated a generalized statment about Zach that is false.  He is not a bad QB.  Great start terrible finish today.

In a league with 9 teams, Zach is the 8th best starter when other starting QBs are healthy.  Grading on a curve, he is bad.  Do you get it?

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 04:44:33 AMI'll have to pay attention if other teams in this league throw to their wide outs for 13 yard gains automatically or if it's just a product of the Younger defence

I don't even know who plays wide out for Bombers

Every D will give up the wide out to the field side once in a while.  Even often.  The problem with Younger D is we give up the short wide-out pass every single snap (except maybe that Cody scramble play at LoS?).

The theory is the QB will screw it up, get sacked, or one of our CBs can get there fast enough for an INT.  The counter to the INT is to only throw the bare minimum to move the sticks, or do a go & comeback.

My question is WHY DIDN'T WE RUN THE BALL MORE?

Forget all this trashing your leader, why didn't our OC call a better game?

You have Brady O .. RUN THE BALL! I just don't understand why we go away from it  ???

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:43:26 AMCan't think of a Pokey screw up tonight. Just Zach missing him when he was wide open.

Pokey could have caught that deep rail pass.  Kenny probably would have found a way.  He could have stopped and ladder-climbed to catch it away from the rail.  Or maybe Luke's idea would have worked: turn the opposite way.  It was a too-hot pass by Zach, but the best in the league could have done it -- especially since it was 100% uncontested, the REC could do literally anything they wanted.

Quote from: Sway on August 22, 2026, 04:42:35 AMTommy 2drops drop for what would have been a 2 yard gain anyways on 1st down has so many problems in it

The idea is YAC.  Like every other good team relies on.  Big body Nield one-on-one with a little bit of time to start moving should be a good YAC situation -- in theory.

But Nield sucks, so...

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:48:41 AMIn a league with 9 teams, Zach is the 8th best starter when other starting QBs are healthy.  Grading on a curve, he is bad.  Do you get it?

1st was bad then you agreed below average which is it lol

Changing the narrative and goal posts

He is below average not bad

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:42:00 AMWalters is an excellent GM.

You are an excellent GM until you are not.  Same with the coach.  Reasons can include complacency and loss of drive to achieve greatness.  Another reason is blind loyalty in the face of declining play.  There are other reasons of course, those are just a few.

Jim Popp had a record that Kyle Walters can only dream of at this point.  He was a great GM until he wasn't.  Driven out of the CFL after his failures in the latter seasons in Montreal and most of his Toronto stint.  Hasn't been heard of or seen since then.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:52:07 AMPokey could have caught that deep rail pass.  Kenny probably would have found a way.  He could have stopped and ladder-climbed to catch it away from the rail.  Or maybe Luke's idea would have worked: turn the opposite way.  It was a too-hot pass by Zach, but the best in the league could have done it -- especially since it was 100% uncontested, the REC could do literally anything they wanted.

Agree

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:45:29 AMHe adjusted wrong as well to that wide open deep shot but yes ball was bad for sure

When you're exactly where you're supposed to be, and the QB throws the ball out of bounds, I don't think you adjusted wrong.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:54:14 AMYou are an excellent GM until you are not.  Same with the coach.  Reasons can include complacency and loss of drive to achieve greatness.  Another reason is blind loyalty in the face of declining play.  There are other reasons of course, those are just a few.

Jim Popp had a record that Kyle Walters can only dream of at this point.  He was a great GM until he wasn't.  Driven out of the CFL after his failures in the latter seasons in Montreal and most of his Toronto stint.  Hasn't been heard of or seen since then.

Walters has been consistently good to great

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:42:07 AMYou can study it all you want, if you think the refs call these things consistently, you're nuts.

It was a late hit and it would have put us on the 1 yard line. You throw that challenge every time.

But it wasn't the refs.  It was the refs AND COMMAND.  Command studied it and applied what they felt was their normal precedent-following decision.

If you throw that flag again, you will lose it again.  And I'm pretty sure MOS has learned his lesson now.

If I knew we were going to lose, then Mafia braintrust should have known.  And I knew it before MOS threw the challenge.  If I can know it, then WFC should know it.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:52:07 AMPokey could have caught that deep rail pass.  Kenny probably would have found a way.  He could have stopped and ladder-climbed to catch it away from the rail.  Or maybe Luke's idea would have worked: turn the opposite way.  It was a too-hot pass by Zach, but the best in the league could have done it -- especially since it was 100% uncontested, the REC could do literally anything they wanted.

Yes! I do not think we have the talented receivers we used to.  Is Demski still nicked up? I do think about how Lawler would catch many things that others would not make those catches.  We need more of those. We just don't have the talent at WR imo.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:42:49 AMGreat we agree! Below average not bad.  Thanks for clearing that up lol.

In a 9-team small league, below-average and bad are interchangeable.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:54:54 AMWhen you're exactly where you're supposed to be, and the QB throws the ball out of bounds, I don't think you adjusted wrong.

Bad ball, possible to adjust better like Luke said.  Had time, Zach put him in a touch spot with over throw / outside. ~ 75% on Zach

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 22, 2026, 04:38:26 AMCollaros is probably the 7th or 8th best starter in the league this year. That is bad by almost all definitions in a 9 team league.

Except Zach completely lit it up all 1st H.  He was looking like the league-best QB for nearly a half against what's supposed to be the league's best D!

Something changed.  Half of it was MOS & OC turtling way too soon instead of sticking with what was working (which was throwing on every first down).  The other half, I dunno, maybe Zach getting banged up a lot was leaving his internal gyroscope off-kilter.  That would explain the overthrows, etc.

So how can Zach be soooo good one half and total butt the other?  And does that make him butt?  Nah, it makes him a QB who for whatever reason lost all his mojo at halftime.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:56:53 AMIn a 9-team small league, below-average and bad are interchangeable.

Below average doesn't not equal bad

Bad fair below average good great elite

Zach is not a bad QB, he is a hall of famer

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:53:54 AM1st was bad then you agreed below average which is it lol

Changing the narrative and goal posts

He is below average not bad

Same thing in a 9-team league

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:58:53 AMExcept Zach completely lit it up all 1st H.  He was looking like the league-best QB for nearly a half against what's supposed to be the league's best D!

Something changed.  Half of it was MOS & OC turtling way too soon instead of sticking with what was working (which was throwing on every first down).  The other half, I dunno, maybe Zach getting banged up a lot was leaving his internal gyroscope off-kilter.  That would explain the overthrows, etc.

So how can Zach be soooo good one half and total butt the other?  And does that make him butt?  Nah, it makes him a QB who for whatever reason lost all his mojo at halftime.

Yes half knicked half game plan 2nd half and also credit to Edm

Agree all

Best to worst in span of 3 hours

Mojo deflated

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:58:53 AMExcept Zach completely lit it up all 1st H.  He was looking like the league-best QB for nearly a half against what's supposed to be the league's best D!

Something changed.  Half of it was MOS & OC turtling way too soon instead of sticking with what was working (which was throwing on every first down).  The other half, I dunno, maybe Zach getting banged up a lot was leaving his internal gyroscope off-kilter.  That would explain the overthrows, etc.

So how can Zach be soooo good one half and total butt the other?  And does that make him butt?  Nah, it makes him a QB who for whatever reason lost all his mojo at halftime.

Which half was the outlier in his yearly performance?

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 04:59:23 AMSame thing in a 9-team league

Nah changing narrative to try to dig yourself out of a hole

You said bad

Then agrees below average

Then went back to bad

Then said same thing

Not buying it

Nichols being hurt was the reason Vaval was in.

I hope he's back soon.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 05:00:28 AMWhich half was the outlier in his yearly performance?

A mix of both

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 04:58:54 AMBelow average doesn't not equal bad

Bad fair below average good great elite

Zach is not a bad QB, he is a hall of famer

Nope, sorry.  9 team league bad and below average are the same.  If we are talking about the NFL there is a little more room for nuance. 

Doesn't matter if he is a hall of famer or not.  He is one of the worst in the league RIGHT NOW!  Peyton Manning was one of the best of all time and in his last year and half he was a below average to bad QB.

Keep riding that Zach is not bad train though...

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 05:01:47 AMNichols being hurt was the reason Vaval was in.

I hope he's back soon.

Oh no, thanks for letting us know

That hurt the D

Vaval was ok

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 04:35:47 AMDefence nearly pitched a shut out in the first half. Only allowed 22 points. This was probably their best game of the season. OL held up really well for 90% of the game.

We pitched a shutout because EDM, for whatever reason, was not doing d&d.  We are a D scheme built entirely upon stopping the "normal" CFL scheme.  Everyone should know this by now (including OC's).  And we have no answer for the d&d: so as soon as EDM woke up and went d&d we were doomed if our O couldn't keep up.

I was really hoping that the off-season and reg-season so far would have new d&d ideas by Younger/Hall.  I desperately wanted in this game to see that they had ideas to beat max d&d SSK.  Ya, so clearly there is no plan, there are no off-season ideas, there is just nothing.  When a team goes d&d we are doomed on most drives.

And if our D ever needs to hold a d&d O to under 40Y to win the game, we will lose that game.  Every time.  To be honest, I'm very disappointed and very frustrated that no one at WFC is trying to figure this out.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:02:14 AMNope, sorry.  9 team league bad and below average are the same.  If we are talking about the NFL there is a little more room for nuance. 

Doesn't matter if he is a hall of famer or not.  He is one of the worst in the league RIGHT NOW!  Peyton Manning was one of the best of all time and in his last year and half he was a below average to bad QB.

Keep riding that Zach is not bad train though...

You changed the narrative to try to win the argument and it doesn't pass the sniff test

Bad does not equate to below average in any situation lol

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:03:37 AMWe pitched a shutout because EDM, for whatever reason, was not doing d&d.  We are a D scheme built entirely upon stopping the "normal" CFL scheme.  Everyone should know this by now (including OC's).  And we have no answer for the d&d: so as soon as EDM woke up and went d&d we were doomed if our O couldn't keep up.

I was really hoping that the off-season and reg-season so far would have new d&d ideas by Younger/Hall.  I desperately wanted in this game to see that they had ideas to beat max d&d SSK.  Ya, so clearly there is no plan, there are no off-season ideas, there is just nothing.  When a team goes d&d we are doomed on most drives.

And if our D ever needs to hold a d&d O to under 40Y to win the game, we will lose that game.  Every time.  To be honest, I'm very disappointed and very frustrated that no one at WFC is trying to figure this out.

Zach is not a D&D QB and I'm happy we don't have that offense

I want a gun slinger bombs and Brady

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:55:56 AMBut it wasn't the refs.  It was the refs AND COMMAND.  Command studied it and applied what they felt was their normal precedent-following decision.

If you throw that flag again, you will lose it again.  And I'm pretty sure MOS has learned his lesson now.

If I knew we were going to lose, then Mafia braintrust should have known.  And I knew it before MOS threw the challenge.  If I can know it, then WFC should know it.

That was a blatant FTP call that went uncalled, was challenged and we lost the challenge but dublanko (who is definitely a blanko!!) definitely not Zach late, it was rough and totally unnecessary and he could have pulled up but didnt, you hit him with a flag every time .shame on command centre

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:03:46 AMYou changed the narrative to try to win the argument and it doesn't pass the sniff test

Bad does not equate to below average in any situation lol

He's been saying the same thing the whole time. Zach is playing badly by any metric.

And honestly, what does below average mean? If average is QBs 4-6, you're arguing that Zach is a bottom 3 QB and somehow saying that means he's not playing badly?

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:03:46 AMYou changed the narrative to try to win the argument and it doesn't pass the sniff test

Bad does not equate to below average in any situation lol

Bomber coordinators are below average, and are also bad at their jobs.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:02:14 AMNope, sorry.  9 team league bad and below average are the same.  If we are talking about the NFL there is a little more room for nuance. 

Doesn't matter if he is a hall of famer or not.  He is one of the worst in the league RIGHT NOW!  Peyton Manning was one of the best of all time and in his last year and half he was a below average to bad QB.

Keep riding that Zach is not bad train though...

Below average" means ranking lower than the middle point of a group. "Bad" means poor quality, harmful, or failing to meet a basic standard. Something below average can still be acceptable or functional, while bad implies it is inadequate or unwanted.Below AverageDefinition: Less than the norm.Position: Sits in the lower half of a scale.Value: May still be passing or useful.Example: Getting a 65% on a test when the class mean is 75%.BadDefinition: Low quality or wrong.Position: Fails to meet a required baseline.Value: Unacceptable or broken.Example: Getting a 30% on a test and failing the class.

In sports, "below average" means a player or team performs worse than the league median but is still competitive. "Bad" means they are a liability, significantly hurt the team's chances of winning, or belong in a lower tier of competition.Below AveragePerformance: Serviceable but limited.Impact: Does not carry the team, but does not completely ruin the game.Roster Role: A reliable backup or a low-end starter.Example: A baseball player batting .230 when the league average is .250.BadPerformance: Actively harmful.Impact: Consistently makes costly errors or gives up points.Roster Role: Risk of being cut, benched, or demoted to the minor leagues.Example: A quarterback throwing three times as many interceptions as touchdowns.

In the CFL, a below-average quarterback can still win a Grey Cup by protecting the football and relying on a strong defense, whereas a bad quarterback actively derails the franchise through a high volume of turnovers and an inability to sustain offensive drives.Below AverageThe Playstyle: Operates primarily as a passive "game manager". They rarely attack deep downfield but efficiently take what the defense provides.The Performance: Achieves a respectable completion percentage (often around 68–70%) but generates low average yards per pass attempt and few big-time plays.The Impact: Keeps the offense on schedule. They avoid critical mistakes to ensure the team stays competitive in low-scoring matchups.2026 CFL Context: Zach Collaros of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers fits this description for the 2026 season. Dealing with a limited roster, he has managed a solid 70.9% completion rate but has only thrown 5 touchdowns across his appearances, letting Winnipeg's defense carry the team to a 5–5 record.BadThe Playstyle: Consistently forces throws into tight coverage, fails to recognize pre-snap defensive looks, and displays panicky pocket presence.The Performance: Yields a high turnover-to-touchdown ratio, a low quarterback efficiency rating, and an inability to convert on critical second-down scenarios.The Impact: Puts their own defense in terrible positions via frequent interceptions, which stalls out momentum and leads directly to losses.2026 CFL Context: Jake Maier of the Ottawa Redblacks has slipped into this tier for 2026. Despite passing for 2,680 yards, his league-high 11 interceptions against just 12 touchdowns have directly contributed to Ottawa's winless 0–10 record, resulting in his midseason benching.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:05:04 AMZach is not a D&D QB and I'm happy we don't have that offense

I want a gun slinger bombs and Brady

Our O in 1st H was much more a d&d O.  It was when we went away from that in 2nd H that we got nothing.  That said, my d&d comments are purely about our D limitations, and nothing to do with our O.  I don't really care what our O does as long as it's working.  The problem was we went away from what EDM had no answer (no Brady runs on 1st down) for and played right into what they schemed for (Brady run on every 1st down).

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:09:36 AMBelow average" means ranking lower than the middle point of a group. "Bad" means poor quality, harmful, or failing to meet a basic standard. Something below average can still be acceptable or functional, while bad implies it is inadequate or unwanted.Below AverageDefinition: Less than the norm.Position: Sits in the lower half of a scale.Value: May still be passing or useful.Example: Getting a 65% on a test when the class mean is 75%.BadDefinition: Low quality or wrong.Position: Fails to meet a required baseline.Value: Unacceptable or broken.Example: Getting a 30% on a test and failing the class.

In sports, "below average" means a player or team performs worse than the league median but is still competitive. "Bad" means they are a liability, significantly hurt the team's chances of winning, or belong in a lower tier of competition.Below AveragePerformance: Serviceable but limited.Impact: Does not carry the team, but does not completely ruin the game.Roster Role: A reliable backup or a low-end starter.Example: A baseball player batting .230 when the league average is .250.BadPerformance: Actively harmful.Impact: Consistently makes costly errors or gives up points.Roster Role: Risk of being cut, benched, or demoted to the minor leagues.Example: A quarterback throwing three times as many interceptions as touchdowns.

My guy. Being below average in a 9 team league puts you in the bottom 30%

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:01:38 AMNah changing narrative to try to dig yourself out of a hole

You said bad

Then agrees below average

Then went back to bad

Then said same thing

Not buying it

Actually i said bad/below average it doesn't matter in one of my earlier posts.  See?  Hope that helps.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 05:08:08 AMHe's been saying the same thing the whole time. Zach is playing badly by any metric.

And honestly, what does below average mean? If average is QBs 4-6, you're arguing that Zach is a bottom 3 QB and somehow saying that means he's not playing badly?

The posted said Zach was a bad QB (in general, with no other context), I said he was below average.  I have posted some detail about the differences.

The poster agree after he was below average,then said was same thing and then went back to bad.

Below average and bad are not the same.

Zach is a below average QB right now who played great and then terrible today.  His play has varied throughout the season from bad to limited flashes of great and everything in between.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:14:43 AMActually i said bad/below average it doesn't matter in one of my earlier posts.  See?  Hope that helps.

Nah you said

Bad
Below average
Claimed both same
Then back to bad
Just calling it like I see it posted

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 05:06:57 AMThat was a blatant FTP call that went uncalled, was challenged and we lost the challenge but dublanko (who is definitely a blanko!!) definitely not Zach late, it was rough and totally unnecessary and he could have pulled up but didnt, you hit him with a flag every time .shame on command centre

I'm not saying I disagree with you about it being RTP.  The refs could easily have flagged it and if EDM challenged they would have lost.  However, with it unflagged I knew it was going to be upheld on challenge.  KNEW!

How did I know?  Because I watch every game and I know what command will and won't do.  There was an unflagged "hand brushed the helmet" RTP challenge a couple of weeks ago, and it too was upheld.  Yes, refs have flagged that before too.  But command has already told us, quite a few times, by their verdicts, that they are not going to hand out RTP like candy on plays where a normal QB cannot get hurt.

If you don't like it, maybe blame Johnston, as he's the "more show!" Commish setting the tone.  Wiping away big sacks because someone poked a QB like the pilsbury dough boy takes away from the "show".  And Johnston hates anything that does that!

Flagging that on-field is Valesi's job.  And Zach looked to him for the flag.  Valesi shakes his head.  Valesi has NEVER liked WPG.  He's screwed us over so many times.  There was that time he left the chain so limp on a measurement to royally screw us over from a 3rd down stop.  I wrote early in the thread I was bummed it was Valesi.  Literally any other ref is better.

A lot of this loss has to be on the HC, why is he always adding LBers and our receiving core are average and not catching passes when needed. Do we really need that many LBers? The extra IMP LBers only maybe make one play per game so does it make any since.

"No" backup DB's and poor receivers, could be why Zac holds on to the ball longer. He doesn't have confidence in his receivers.

Again MOS says: we will look at the film tomorrow and correct the problems, by this time of the season ( 10 games in) they should have fixed most of these problems. Does he even talk to his OC and DC and tell them what they are doing wrong.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 05:11:25 AMMy guy. Being below average in a 9 team league puts you in the bottom 30%

My man I used Google to help illustrate the difference between bad and below average

They are not the same, that's all I was pointing out

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 05:00:28 AMWhich half was the outlier in his yearly performance?

Sure, of course.  But I care more about what he's doing right now.  And what he's doing right now is looking like the best QB in the league in that 1st H until they went turtle.

That has to count for something.

Quote from: Blue72 on August 22, 2026, 05:17:48 AMA lot of this loss has to be on the HC, why is he always adding LBers and our receiving core are average and not catching passes when needed. Do we really need that many LBers? The extra IMP LBers only maybe make one play per game so does it make any since.

"No" backup DB's and poor receivers, could be why Zac holds on to the ball longer. He doesn't have confidence in his receivers.

Again MOS says: we will look at the film tomorrow and correct the problems, by this time of the season ( 10 games in) they should have fixed most of these problems. Does he even talk to his OC and DC and tell them what they are doing wrong.

Yes I'm sure he talks to the OC and DC and collectively tries to improve

LB heavy isn't our core issue imo

We have backup DBs

Receiver talent an issue yes

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 04:50:23 AMMy question is WHY DIDN'T WE RUN THE BALL MORE?

Go back and watch again.  As soon as we went Brady run on every 1st down they stuffed him every single time.  His avg went from 10Y every carry early in the game to probably 1-2Y a carry after that (taking into account just the runs after the pivot point).

You know, just like every team does to him when we show that we're running Brady every 1st D?  The OL and Brady are not good enough to win those battles anyway.  This isn't 2021 with AH.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:03:46 AMYou changed the narrative to try to win the argument and it doesn't pass the sniff test

Bad does not equate to below average in any situation lol

If you are bad that means you are automatically below average. Hope that helps.

Hmmm, offhand I remember earlier this year you saying Zach was still a decent QB ??? Now you saying he is below average.  Which is it?  Seems like someone likes to move goalposts....

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:18:17 AMSure, of course.  But I care more about what he's doing right now.  And what he's doing right now is looking like the best QB in the league in that 1st H until they went turtle.

That has to count for something.

Yup slinging nasty to playing nasty lol

The good part counts for sure, looked like Jesus for a bit

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:20:27 AMIf you are bad that means you are automatically below average. Hope that helps.

Hmmm, offhand I remember earlier this year you saying Zach was still a decent QB ??? Now you saying he is below average.  Which is it?  Seems like someone likes to move goalposts....

Bad does not mean below average

I stated he was decent and now called him below average few games later, yes one can adjust their opinions over time, switching it by the minute brings suspicion lol

You said
Bad
Below average
Means same thing
Back to Bad in 5 mins

Still confused what you really think lol

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:17:24 AMI'm not saying I disagree with you about it being RTP.  The refs could easily have flagged it and if EDM challenged they would have lost.  However, with it unflagged I knew it was going to be upheld on challenge.  KNEW!

How did I know?  Because I watch every game and I know what command will and won't do.  There was an unflagged "hand brushed the helmet" RTP challenge a couple of weeks ago, and it too was upheld.  Yes, refs have flagged that before too.  But command has already told us, quite a few times, by their verdicts, that they are not going to hand out RTP like candy on plays where a normal QB cannot get hurt.

If you don't like it, maybe blame Johnston, as he's the "more show!" Commish setting the tone.  Wiping away big sacks because someone poked a QB like the pilsbury dough boy takes away from the "show".  And Johnston hates anything that does that!

Flagging that on-field is Valesi's job.  And Zach looked to him for the flag.  Valesi shakes his head.  Valesi has NEVER liked WPG.  He's screwed us over so many times.  There was that time he left the chain so limp on a measurement to royally screw us over from a 3rd down stop.  I wrote early in the thread I was bummed it was Valesi.  Literally any other ref is better.

When was this?  I have some vague recollection of this happening, but I may be just making that up in my head.  Tecno - I would be surprised if you couldn't pull up a video or picture of this, so please do.  I believe you, I just want to see it with my own eyes.  It does seem familiar to me.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:09:36 AMBelow average" means ranking lower than the middle point of a group. "Bad" means poor quality, harmful, or failing to meet a basic standard. Something below average can still be acceptable or functional, while bad implies it is inadequate or unwanted.Below AverageDefinition: Less than the norm.Position: Sits in the lower half of a scale.Value: May still be passing or useful.Example: Getting a 65% on a test when the class mean is 75%.BadDefinition: Low quality or wrong.Position: Fails to meet a required baseline.Value: Unacceptable or broken.Example: Getting a 30% on a test and failing the class.

In sports, "below average" means a player or team performs worse than the league median but is still competitive. "Bad" means they are a liability, significantly hurt the team's chances of winning, or belong in a lower tier of competition.Below AveragePerformance: Serviceable but limited.Impact: Does not carry the team, but does not completely ruin the game.Roster Role: A reliable backup or a low-end starter.Example: A baseball player batting .230 when the league average is .250.BadPerformance: Actively harmful.Impact: Consistently makes costly errors or gives up points.Roster Role: Risk of being cut, benched, or demoted to the minor leagues.Example: A quarterback throwing three times as many interceptions as touchdowns.

In the CFL, a below-average quarterback can still win a Grey Cup by protecting the football and relying on a strong defense, whereas a bad quarterback actively derails the franchise through a high volume of turnovers and an inability to sustain offensive drives.Below AverageThe Playstyle: Operates primarily as a passive "game manager". They rarely attack deep downfield but efficiently take what the defense provides.The Performance: Achieves a respectable completion percentage (often around 68–70%) but generates low average yards per pass attempt and few big-time plays.The Impact: Keeps the offense on schedule. They avoid critical mistakes to ensure the team stays competitive in low-scoring matchups.2026 CFL Context: Zach Collaros of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers fits this description for the 2026 season. Dealing with a limited roster, he has managed a solid 70.9% completion rate but has only thrown 5 touchdowns across his appearances, letting Winnipeg's defense carry the team to a 5–5 record.BadThe Playstyle: Consistently forces throws into tight coverage, fails to recognize pre-snap defensive looks, and displays panicky pocket presence.The Performance: Yields a high turnover-to-touchdown ratio, a low quarterback efficiency rating, and an inability to convert on critical second-down scenarios.The Impact: Puts their own defense in terrible positions via frequent interceptions, which stalls out momentum and leads directly to losses.2026 CFL Context: Jake Maier of the Ottawa Redblacks has slipped into this tier for 2026. Despite passing for 2,680 yards, his league-high 11 interceptions against just 12 touchdowns have directly contributed to Ottawa's winless 0–10 record, resulting in his midseason benching.

So you relying on AI now to write your posts for you?  How low can you go?

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:23:05 AMBad does not mean below average

I stated he was decent and now called him below average few games later, yes one can adjust their opinions over time, switching it by the minute brings suspicion lol

You said
Bad
Below average
Means same thing
Back to Bad in 5 mins

Still confused what you really think lol

Blueandgoldguy and Blueforlife - both of you go to your respective corners for a time out.

Seriously - half this thread is arguing if Zach is bad or below average.

Move on already - it's getting ridiculous!

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:26:38 AMSo you relying on AI now to write your posts for you?  How low can you go?

I used Google to present definitions and examples of bad vs below average which clearly presents how they are not the same thing

My position stands, yours changes by the minute tonight

We will not agree on this and thats ok.

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 05:27:50 AMBlueandgoldguy and Blueforlife - both of you go to your respective corners for a time out.

Seriously - half this thread is arguing if Zach is bad or below average.

Move on already - it's getting ridiculous!

Agree lol

Is a team that is pretty much below average in most categories considered to be a below average team or a bad team?  Record wise this team is average, but they are still a bad football team with below average coordinators who are bad at play calling and at this point of the season bad at their jobs.  Our head coach has an above average career win/loss record but is bad this year.  Our QB is a Hall of famer, but his stats are below average and  he is playing bad football (he would even admit he has been bad this year).  Conclusion, I think below average and bad can be one in the same.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 05:32:22 AMIs a team that is pretty much below average in most categories considered to be a below average team or a bad team?  Record wise this team is average, but they are still a bad football team with below average coordinators who are bad at play calling and at this point of the season bad at their jobs.  Our head coach has an above average career win/loss record but is bad this year.  Our QB is a Hall of famer, but his stats are below average and  he is playing bad football (he would even admit he has been bad this year).  Conclusion, I think below average and bad can be one in the same.

I don't think we are a bad team.  MOS average this year.
OC bad
DC fair
Team had been from bad to below average, imo, which are different imo lol

Quote from: Big Daddy on August 22, 2026, 05:23:19 AMWhen was this?  I have some vague recollection of this happening, but I may be just making that up in my head.  Tecno - I would be surprised if you couldn't pull up a video or picture of this, so please do.  I believe you, I just want to see it with my own eyes.  It does seem familiar to me.

I will search my notes & old posts to find it and give you the game and see if I can't pull some stills.  It's a few years ago now.  I'm pretty sure Valesi did it to us once, and L'il Kim did too.  I rarely forget (or forgive) when refs give me PTSD.

Valesi did the limp-chain thing just the other week, too -- though not to us.  I think he's the next up for forced retirement.  Which is pretty funny because Proulx is like 100!

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:23:05 AMBad does not mean below average

I stated he was decent and now called him below average few games later, yes one can adjust their opinions over time, switching it by the minute brings suspicion lol

You said
Bad
Below average
Means same thing
Back to Bad in 5 mins

Still confused what you really think lol

In a 9 team league bad and below average it's all the same.  I will keep repeating that to you.  Now why don't you go to google AI to give me your next response lol.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:35:57 AMI will search my notes & old posts to find it and give you the game and see if I can't pull some stills.  It's a few years ago now.  I'm pretty sure Valesi did it to us once, and L'il Kim did too.  I rarely forget (or forgive) when refs give me PTSD.

Valesi did the limp-chain thing just the other week, too -- though not to us.  I think he's the next up for forced retirement.  Which is pretty funny because Proulx is like 100!

I only remember the recent one, thanks for the info.

Let's see how we do against MTL.  If we lose but keep it this close and have periods of domination, then what?  If we are keeping up with the 2 best teams then by definition we are not a "bad team".

Maybe we are currently a team that just can't close.  We're like EDM was when they were starting to get good.  I'm not really sure at this point, but will know more next week.

Quote from: jdrattops on August 22, 2026, 05:32:22 AMIs a team that is pretty much below average in most categories considered to be a below average team or a bad team?  Record wise this team is average, but they are still a bad football team with below average coordinators who are bad at play calling and at this point of the season bad at their jobs.  Our head coach has an above average career win/loss record but is bad this year.  Our QB is a Hall of famer, but his stats are below average and  he is playing bad football (he would even admit he has been bad this year).  Conclusion, I think below average and bad can be one in the same.

Well now you are just making too much sense with those comments.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:20:18 AMGo back and watch again.  As soon as we went Brady run on every 1st down they stuffed him every single time.  His avg went from 10Y every carry early in the game to probably 1-2Y a carry after that (taking into account just the runs after the pivot point).

You know, just like every team does to him when we show that we're running Brady every 1st D?  The OL and Brady are not good enough to win those battles anyway.  This isn't 2021 with AH.

You mean in his 2 carries in the entire second half?

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:38:46 AMLet's see how we do against MTL.  If we lose but keep it this close and have periods of domination, then what?  If we are keeping up with the 2 best teams then by definition we are not a "bad team".

Maybe we are currently a team that just can't close.  We're like EDM was when they were starting to get good.  I'm not really sure at this point, but will know more next week.

Can't close is a good point for sure
Mtl won't roll over like Edm did at 1st
But good pt if we can run with them but lose it brings up a good debate

Ottawa and Jake are bad
We and Zach are below average
Brown is fair

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:38:46 AMLet's see how we do against MTL.  If we lose but keep it this close and have periods of domination, then what?  If we are keeping up with the 2 best teams then by definition we are not a "bad team".

Maybe we are currently a team that just can't close.  We're like EDM was when they were starting to get good.  I'm not really sure at this point, but will know more next week.

If we lose and keep it close against Montreal, we probably have a decent chance to win at least one game against the Riders.  We might even have a chance to win 2 if all those injured players Sasky is missing are not playing in 2 and 3 weeks time.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 05:40:51 AMYou mean in his 2 carries in the entire second half?

They took it away

I'm with Techno on this one

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:42:41 AMIf we lose and keep it close against Montreal, we probably have a decent chance to win at least one game against the Riders.  We might even have a chance to win 2 if all those injured players Sasky is missing are not playing in 2 and 3 weeks time.

We split with Sask likely imo, paying 5 to 1 odds we don't win both

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:36:25 AMIn a 9 team league bad and below average it's all the same.  I will keep repeating that to you.  Now why don't you go to google AI to give me your next response lol.

You asked for it.  My summary Ottawa, Jake is bad, we and Zach are below average lol

That guy's argument is common among critics of the CFL, but it overlooks the mathematical reality of the league's structure. In a 9-team league where 6 teams qualify for the postseason, a below-average team gets a ticket to the playoffs, while a bad team goes home.Because the bar for entry is so low, confusing "below average" with "bad" is the exact mistake that keeps casual fans from understanding how the league works.The Math: 67% vs. 33%The most critical differentiator is the cutoff line for postseason qualification:Below-Average Teams (The 67%): Since two-thirds of the league makes the playoffs, a team can be statistically below average (e.g., placing 5th or 6th overall) and still be a fully active playoff team.Bad Teams (The 33%): Only 3 teams are eliminated each year. To miss the playoffs completely in a 9-team league, a team has to be objectively terrible, not just mediocre.The Crossover Rule ProofThe clearest evidence that they are not the same is the CFL crossover rule.If the 4th-place team in Division A finishes with a better record than the 3rd-place team in Division B, that 4th-place team steals the playoff spot and crosses over to the other bracket. This means a below-average 4th-place team can actually be superior to an entire tier of the opposing division. A truly bad team is never in a position to utilize this rule because they lack the necessary wins to force a crossover.Real-World Impact: The 2026 StandingsThe differences in the 2026 CFL standings show exactly why the two tiers are entirely distinct:Below Average (The 4-5 BC Lions): The BC Lions have a sub-.500 record. They are statistically below average, yet they sit safely in the 4th spot in the West. Because of their competitive metrics, they remain a dangerous threat to secure a playoff spot or trigger a crossover.Bad (The 0-10 Ottawa Redblacks): The Ottawa Redblacks have failed to win a single game. They have a -145 point differential and are completely non-viable.Saying they are "all the same" ignores the massive gap between a team fighting for a Grey Cup spot and a team struggling to win a single game.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:48:02 AMYou asked for it.

That guy's argument is common among critics of the CFL, but it overlooks the mathematical reality of the league's structure. In a 9-team league where 6 teams qualify for the postseason, a below-average team gets a ticket to the playoffs, while a bad team goes home.Because the bar for entry is so low, confusing "below average" with "bad" is the exact mistake that keeps casual fans from understanding how the league works.The Math: 67% vs. 33%The most critical differentiator is the cutoff line for postseason qualification:Below-Average Teams (The 67%): Since two-thirds of the league makes the playoffs, a team can be statistically below average (e.g., placing 5th or 6th overall) and still be a fully active playoff team.Bad Teams (The 33%): Only 3 teams are eliminated each year. To miss the playoffs completely in a 9-team league, a team has to be objectively terrible, not just mediocre.The Crossover Rule ProofThe clearest evidence that they are not the same is the CFL crossover rule.If the 4th-place team in Division A finishes with a better record than the 3rd-place team in Division B, that 4th-place team steals the playoff spot and crosses over to the other bracket. This means a below-average 4th-place team can actually be superior to an entire tier of the opposing division. A truly bad team is never in a position to utilize this rule because they lack the necessary wins to force a crossover.Real-World Impact: The 2026 StandingsThe differences in the 2026 CFL standings show exactly why the two tiers are entirely distinct:Below Average (The 4-5 BC Lions): The BC Lions have a sub-.500 record. They are statistically below average, yet they sit safely in the 4th spot in the West. Because of their competitive metrics, they remain a dangerous threat to secure a playoff spot or trigger a crossover.Bad (The 0-10 Ottawa Redblacks): The Ottawa Redblacks have failed to win a single game. They have a -145 point differential and are completely non-viable.Saying they are "all the same" ignores the massive gap between a team fighting for a Grey Cup spot and a team struggling to win a single game.

Nothing says low effort like posting AI.  By the way, AI can be incorrect.  Just thought you should know.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:42:59 AMThey took it away

I'm with Techno on this one

IMO Condell took it away... again.

His first carry in the 2nd half he got 6 yards... and then they inexplicably did whatever they did on second down with Demski that drive before punting it.

His next carry didn't come for another 15 in game minutes and based on the formation and the game flow they might as well have just yelled over the line that it was going directly to Brady... Willson picked it up immediately on the broadcast.

So of the 13 (!!!) plays the Bombers ran in the 2nd half, Brady had 2 rushes, Demski had 1, there were 2 deep passes (1 picked off), Collaros got sacked twice, got flushed another time. Before that first sack he sailed a pass to White on the sideline, Nield caught one and dropped one, Demski and Wilson both had a single catch.

Not sure what Brady is expected to do there. First half was way more balanced run/pass wise and they just went away from it.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 05:52:20 AMNothing says low effort like posting AI.  By the way, AI can be incorrect.  Just thought you should know.

Yup its often is but in this case backs up my position by clearly stating the differences between bad and below average 1st in general, 2nd for sports, then for cfl qbs and finally for teams.  In this case AI provides a good summary and counter 3rd party argument.

I have enjoyed other people's take on chartecizing the team, players and coaches.  We all have different opinions that we think are valid.  It would appear yours varied a lot tonight and was not consistent.  Mine position remains the same. 

Get AI to prove to me that bad and below average are the same.  Takes two to tango.  Yes using AI is low effort.  Time and place for it.  I don't trust it for some things, basic concepts usually ok.  It did a good job tonight imo to provide info when two people didn't agree.

Quote from: Mikerahl on August 22, 2026, 05:54:26 AMIMO Condell took it away... again.

His first carry in the 2nd half he got 6 yards... and then they inexplicably did whatever they did on second down with Demski that drive before punting it.

His next carry didn't come for another 15 in game minutes and based on the formation and the game flow they might as well have just yelled over the line that it was going directly to Brady... Willson picked it up immediately on the broadcast.

So of the 13 (!!!) plays the Bombers ran in the 2nd half, Brady had 2 rushes, Demski had 1, there were 2 deep passes (1 picked off), Collaros got sacked twice, got flushed another time. Before that first sack he sailed a pass to White on the sideline, Nield caught one and dropped one, Demski and Wilson both had a single catch.

Not sure what Brady is expected to do there. First half was way more balanced run/pass wise and they just went away from it.

Little bit of both.  We went away from it because they took it away imo.  I would have kept trying it a bit more.  We took away the run and short pass from Cody at times so he went deep on us which worked about half the time maybe?

Yes 1st half was as balanced as it comes.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 04:52:07 AMPokey could have caught that deep rail pass.  Kenny probably would have found a way.  He could have stopped and ladder-climbed to catch it away from the rail.  Or maybe Luke's idea would have worked: turn the opposite way.  It was a too-hot pass by Zach, but the best in the league could have done it -- especially since it was 100% uncontested, the REC could do literally anything they wanted.

Pokey probably overly concerned it's going to bounce off his helmet again, thus he over compensated by turning 180 instead of catching it over his shoulder.  Nonetheless Zach could have thrown a better pass.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 05:59:59 AMPokey probably overly concerned it's going to bounce off his helmet again, thus he over compensated by turning 180 instead of catching it over his shoulder.  Nonetheless Zach could have thrown a better pass.

Good way to put it agree all

Such a pivotal moment

I would love to hear both players takes on it

Zach would own the mistake imo

Anyone hear Mike O"Shea on the postgame show.  He seems completely indifferent to what is going on out there.  Gives off the impression that the Bombers shouldn't expect to win, but maybe they will have a chance.  Then again Mike with your philosophy of loyalty over actual playability and your inability to make sufficient changes these past 3 plus years I guess the fans shouldn't expect the Bombers to win either. 

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:59:08 AMLittle bit of both.  We went away from it because they took it away imo.  I would have kept trying it a bit more.  We took away the run and short pass from Cody at times so he went deep on us which worked about half the time maybe?

Yes 1st half was as balanced as it comes.

What worked in the first half was short passes, mixing in Brady, and then periodically taking deep shots.

What happened in the second half has been typical all year... either everything more than 10 yards downfield, or telegraph a Brady run followed by a deep bomb that is more likely to be caught by a defender than a Bomber. Looking at the game in 30, it looks like they split out Brady a whole bunch, so he was only in backfield for 8 or 9 plays

It's happened enough to be a pattern

Quote from: Mikerahl on August 22, 2026, 06:16:29 AMWhat worked in the first half was short passes, mixing in Brady, and then periodically taking deep shots.

Yup.  And I should clarify when I say Brady was getting stuffed later that that includes late first half.  We went full turtle well before half time.

Like you said what worked early was a pass-mostly game, with Brady converting 2nd & shorts.  In fact, that was working so well I was quite shocked EDM didn't try to shut Brady down on 2nd & short at all.  They easily could have.  I guess their intel said Brady was only a thing on 1st down.  Clearly they could have shut us down on 2nd & short too.

Maybe we just telegraph the 1st down Brady runs too much with the max-jumbo set.  I'll go back and look, maybe the 2nd & short we were running normal O and more of an RPO look.  If so, why aren't we doing that on the obvious 1st down Brady runs too??

In football you never ever every go away from what is clearly dominating.  You keep pounding it the same way until they make you stop.  EDM never made us stop our winning plan.  We stopped it.  MOS made the call to turtle expecting that our D was going to stop EDM on the deep shots.  No one in the braintrust thought EDM might switch to the full d&d and take our advantage away?

So stupid.

Quote from: Tecno on August 22, 2026, 05:18:17 AMSure, of course.  But I care more about what he's doing right now.  And what he's doing right now is looking like the best QB in the league in that 1st H until they went turtle.

That has to count for something.

Counts for squat when the second half he looked like a bum, just like he has for most of the year

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 05:40:51 AMYou mean in his 2 carries in the entire second half?

I wonder if the injury caught up to him in the 2nd half and his usage went down? He was a monster in the 1st half but how and when he was used in the 2nd half wasn't the same.

There are many reasons we lost but ineffective in the red zone really hurt. After the PI by Kelly it was all downhill.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 01:09:04 PMI wonder if the injury caught up to him in the 2nd half and his usage went down? He was a monster in the 1st half but how and when he was used in the 2nd half wasn't the same.

There are many reasons we lost but ineffective in the red zone really hurt. After the PI by Kelly it was all downhill.

The offence couldn't stay on the field. Zach had 29 yards passing and Brady had 8 yards rushing.

I very much doubt his injury had anything to do with it. Just an inexplicable loss of competence at the end of the second quarter.

Quote from: Jesse on August 22, 2026, 01:11:38 PMThe offence couldn't stay on the field. Zach had 29 yards passing and Brady had 8 yards rushing.

I very much doubt his injury had anything to do with it. Just an inexplicable loss of competence at the end of the second quarter.

We only had the ball for about 3 minutes in the 3rd Q and it took 25 minutes overall to get our 1st 1st down in the 2nd half.

Total flatline on offence.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 05:34:46 AMI don't think we are a bad team.  MOS average this year.
OC bad
DC fair
Team had been from bad to below average, imo, which are different imo lol

This is a bad team.  What more proof does one need?  There are so many signs.  As Doug said on the post game, 19 yards of offense in the second half is not a professional football team. 

You take the good.

You take the bad.

You take them both, and there you have.

The facts of being a Winnipeg Blue Bomber fan for life.

I don't think you can blame the defense this game. Edmonton has enough talent to score points.

Collaros isn't good enough anymore to not have an amazing receiving core around him. And we don't have one. We have 3 #2 options, 1 3/4 options, and Cobb is the 5th. There's no big play receiver he can chuck up the ball to.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 01:09:04 PMI wonder if the injury caught up to him in the 2nd half and his usage went down? He was a monster in the 1st half but how and when he was used in the 2nd half wasn't the same.

There are many reasons we lost but ineffective in the red zone really hurt. After the PI by Kelly it was all downhill.

Make a good point, with his health, might have hit a wall.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 22, 2026, 01:56:05 PMMake a good point, with his health, might have hit a wall.

Scary part is, he's the 8th(?) best QB in the league. We're worse next year without him.

Quote from: peg_city on August 22, 2026, 02:00:14 PMScary part is, he's the 8th(?) best QB in the league. We're worse next year without him.

We were talking Brady

But yes, unless Brown shows better this year or early next Zach is still a much better option

That said I would likely move on from him unless he is cheap, has a monster 2nd half and we do something in the playoffs due to him.

Tough spot but also some promise in our next gen QBs.  Likely perfect time to retool and rebuild and make solid medium to long term plans as we navigate our next phase after a very good decade.

The whole team and coaches need to be better, and that includes Collaros. It's just not acceptable. They have a 5-5 record, but look like a losing team. The biggest issue I have with Collaros is he seems to be developing "Buck Pierce Syndrome". Where every time he gets tackled, at all, you wonder if he's going to get up. Sure he's a tough guy, just like Buck was, but it's just adding up on him. I think he got dinged again about halfway through this game and lost a lot of his effectiveness. I honestly wonder if hanging on to him and hoping he can last the year is the way to go here.

The first half minus 3 minutes had me believing again, then Edmonton hit a switch and started playing better. The late TD made me worry. The 3 right after the half, upped that worry. The bunch of 2 and outs solidified the worry. By the time it came down to them needing a drive to win, I knew we were toast. 

We owned them in the first half. They owned us in the second half. The better team won and the bad team went back to wondering what to do next. 

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 22, 2026, 03:07:08 PMThe first half minus 3 minutes had me believing again, then Edmonton hit a switch and started playing better. The late TD made me worry. The 3 right after the half, upped that worry. The bunch of 2 and outs solidified the worry. By the time it came down to them needing a drive to win, I knew we were toast.

We owned them in the first half. They owned us in the second half. The better team won and the bad team went back to wondering what to do next.

And that pretty much sums up the Bombers in 2026.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 22, 2026, 06:12:37 AMAnyone hear Mike O"Shea on the postgame show.  He seems completely indifferent to what is going on out there.  Gives off the impression that the Bombers shouldn't expect to win, but maybe they will have a chance.  Then again Mike with your philosophy of loyalty over actual playability and your inability to make sufficient changes these past 3 plus years I guess the fans shouldn't expect the Bombers to win either. 


Don't listen to those post game interviews anymore... same old same old and he will never question or throw his coordinators or players for their calls or play making.  Too frustrating and not expecting any changes for the rest of the season.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 01:09:04 PMI wonder if the injury caught up to him in the 2nd half and his usage went down? He was a monster in the 1st half but how and when he was used in the 2nd half wasn't the same.

There are many reasons we lost but ineffective in the red zone really hurt. After the PI by Kelly it was all downhill.

I wondered about that too, the weeks of wear without proper recovery are taking their toll on his body, eventually he may have to sit out a week or two. Solution mix in a little MCI every game and maybe roster Peterson, diversify the run game to confuse opponents and preserve Brady.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 04:21:40 PMI wondered about that too, the weeks of wear without proper recovery are taking their toll on his body, eventually he may have to sit out a week or two. Solution mix in a little MCI every game and maybe roster Peterson, diversify the run game to confuse opponents and preserve Brady.

The last 2 games he was barely used in the 2nd half. Part of that is on the defence adjusting but we just seem to go away from using him.

Quote from: bomb squad on August 22, 2026, 02:25:49 PMThe whole team and coaches need to be better, and that includes Collaros. It's just not acceptable. They have a 5-5 record, but look like a losing team. The biggest issue I have with Collaros is he seems to be developing "Buck Pierce Syndrome". Where every time he gets tackled, at all, you wonder if he's going to get up. Sure he's a tough guy, just like Buck was, but it's just adding up on him. I think he got dinged again about halfway through this game and lost a lot of his effectiveness. I honestly wonder if hanging on to him and hoping he can last the year is the way to go here.

That hit seamed to impact his throws

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 04:21:40 PMI wondered about that too, the weeks of wear without proper recovery are taking their toll on his body, eventually he may have to sit out a week or two. Solution mix in a little MCI every game and maybe roster Peterson, diversify the run game to confuse opponents and preserve Brady.

Agree all but don't need to roster Peterson unless Brady out

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 04:23:45 PMThe last 2 games he was barely used in the 2nd half. Part of that is on the defence adjusting but we just seem to go away from using him.

Ya, I just don't get this. Our O line was absolutely dominating Edmonton's D line the first half, road grading and running and getting big yards at will, then its like we turned off the tap and had nothing. Our strength has always been our run game, and our weakness is our long passing game. Stick to the run game and dink and dunk passing game and we'll be ok.

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 04:35:12 PMYa, I just don't get this. Our O line was absolutely dominating Edmonton's D line the first half, road grading and running and getting big yards at will, then its like we turned off the tap and had nothing.

I looked at it more like we caught them napping. On their minds was their bye week and the battle of Alberta after that.  Letting them back in late in the first half woke them up.

Quote from: Waffler on August 22, 2026, 04:38:38 PMI looked at it more like we caught them napping. On their minds was their bye week and the battle of Alberta after that.  Letting them back in late in the first half woke them up.

Disagree in the first half Zach was playing like he did in 2021 with full on intensity barking signals and commanding the offence.  Whatever drug he was hyped up on wore off late in first half and he reverted to a lackadaisical zombie state for the rest of the game.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 04:48:44 PMDisagree in the first half Zach was playing like he did in 2021 with full on intensity barking signals and commanding the offence.  Whatever drug he was hyped up on wore off late in first half and he reverted to a lackadaisical zombie state for the rest of the game.

Sort of agree with your comments - however from what i read elsewhere Brady (who had 100yds or so in the first half) only got two touches in the second half. Can someone confirm that and if so why did they go away from using him?

Anyone notice the the confusion and delay when Tony Jones went down on the field?  He had a bunch of Bomber staff including Jake Thomas and a few players on the field milling around him and I saw Jaylen Smith pick up Tony's helmet and pretend to wipe the inside down with a cloth.  I believe he was removing an audio receiver from the inside of the helmet, thus Jake's overt concern. 

I often wondered how the defence received their signals on the field as you rarely see Younger do anything on the sidelines but look chill, while Jake seems to be talking into a headset on every play with a play sheet in hand.

Don't know if this is actually accepted or not but have long suspected key members of defences across the league are wired for sound, in almost every game you can catch a glimpse of a defensive player put his hand over his ear hole like QB's often do when blocking out the crowd noise so he can hear a message, after which he frantically begins signalling to teammates. In the  case of the Riders I've seen 3-4 defensive players in a mini-huddle waiting to receive a command telling them what to do next and they're focused on a single player that is not looking towards the sideline.

Quote from: BBRT on August 22, 2026, 04:51:43 PMSort of agree with your comments - however from what i read elsewhere Brady (who had 100yds or so in the first half) only got two touches in the second half. Can someone confirm that and if so why did they go away from using him?

He would have had more carries if JY and the defense, who cannot possibly say they were tired, could have made any kind of third of forth quarter stops. The Bombers offense was out of sync but they also had very few chances in the second half as JY is clearly determined to only play two quarters of any game at the maximum.

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 22, 2026, 03:07:08 PMThe first half minus 3 minutes had me believing again, then Edmonton hit a switch and started playing better. The late TD made me worry. The 3 right after the half, upped that worry. The bunch of 2 and outs solidified the worry. By the time it came down to them needing a drive to win, I knew we were toast.

We owned them in the first half. They owned us in the second half. The better team won and the bad team went back to wondering what to do next.

Did they?

Or did we hit a speed bump and start playing worse?

Quote from: theaardvark on August 22, 2026, 05:18:59 PMDid they?

Or did we hit a speed bump and start playing worse?

It's probably shades of both but largely Edmonton just started playing better. The funny thing is we used to beat teams like that, only playing good football for half the game and still winning, but those days are long over.

We were clearly the less talented team last night and it showed.

The throw that clearly led Pokey out of bounds was a killer for me.

And listening to Luke try to explain that Pokey could have turned the other way and caught it with his feet in bounds was insulting.  There is no way to "basket catch" a ball that far out of bounds.

Was it just after the "Sweet Life of Zach and Cody" was run that Zach fell apart?

5 two and outs to start the second half and only allow them to tie you means this isn't on the defense, although by the end of the third quarter, I expect they were bagged.

This was just wrong in every way, and a very difficult loss.

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 04:35:12 PMYa, I just don't get this. Our O line was absolutely dominating Edmonton's D line the first half, road grading and running and getting big yards at will, then its like we turned off the tap and had nothing. Our strength has always been our run game, and our weakness is our long passing game. Stick to the run game and dink and dunk passing game and we'll be ok.

Need the deep ball to open up the run game.  Our offense under Zach has always featured medium to long routes.  That said his ability to consistently throw those routes is in question and doing more short routes might help.  All that said there is no Bbb without bombs imo.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 04:48:44 PMDisagree in the first half Zach was playing like he did in 2021 with full on intensity barking signals and commanding the offence.  Whatever drug he was hyped up on wore off late in first half and he reverted to a lackadaisical zombie state for the rest of the game.

Started hot, got hurt and Edm adjusted.  Ended cold as a cucumber.

I don't know, I saw gabe Wallace just push guys around at will, just bull doze them then we stopped doing this. No more running the ball with Brady we shifted to the passing game, our weakness just doesn't make sense

He just says things to the media.  I don't make much of what he says on air and I'm sure he's not indifferent as to what goes on.  He can recall things in a very detailed way when asked about them so think again. He just holds his cards close to his chest.  I think that's better than spouting off to the media, players would not respect that in a coach nor do we need to know everything.

Did Willie J play last night? I didn't notice him much or much of our Dline.  Just curious.  He was on the depth chart.

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 08:21:34 PMDid Willie J play last night? I didn't notice him much or much of our Dline.  Just curious.  He was on the depth chart.

Yup chased down Cody once well, another time his jersey was held in a sneaky way

Quote from: tlf on August 22, 2026, 08:21:34 PMDid Willie J play last night? I didn't notice him much or much of our Dline.  Just curious.  He was on the depth chart.

Pretty much sums up Jefferson's contribution to last nights game, I honestly don't recall seeing him make a play, and if he's one of our stars he has to play like it.

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 09:54:13 PMPretty much sums up Jefferson's contribution to last nights game, I honestly don't recall seeing him make a play, and if he's one of our stars he has to play like it.

Different kind of game, a D-line pinning their ears back against Fajardo and Rankin is bound to get burned, this game was about containment.

didn't notice him 'containing' or tackling last night

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 09:54:13 PMPretty much sums up Jefferson's contribution to last nights game, I honestly don't recall seeing him make a play, and if he's one of our stars he has to play like it.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 10:08:08 PMDifferent kind of game, a D-line pinning their ears back against Fajardo and Rankin is bound to get burned, this game was about containment.

Ya, DL didn't make much of an impact, especially when we needed them to.  However, they did a pretty good job on Rankin and Cody.  Only 1 Cody run?  And it was on the always-vulnerable edge?  I can take that.

That said, some pressure at key times, like on Cody deep shots, would have been really helpful.

Quote from: theaardvark on August 22, 2026, 05:24:48 PMAnd listening to Luke try to explain that Pokey could have turned the other way and caught it with his feet in bounds was insulting.  There is no way to "basket catch" a ball that far out of bounds.

I think it was catchable.  The best circus guys would have done it.  I think Kenny would have stopped dead and high-pointed it.  With no defender around you can do that.  Pokey waited for it to fall.

I think Pokey had no idea where the rail was, and if he had, he would have played it differently.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 22, 2026, 05:17:47 PMHe would have had more carries if JY and the defense, who cannot possibly say they were tired, could have made any kind of third of forth quarter stops.

I think we have a conditioning problem.  Moxey and probably the DL were completely out of gas by the end.  Probably more guys too.

Ya, TOP for H2 was garbage by then, but it was 100% the other direction in the 1H.  I didn't see HAM D being gassed and giving up on tackles late in the 2nd like we did late in the 4th.

But it remains clear we screwed up way more on tackles when we were tired vs what EDM did when they were tired.  This is on players and coaches for accepting substandard conditioning.  Maybe DI'ing a DB might have helped, too.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2026, 05:16:42 PMI believe he was removing an audio receiver from the inside of the helmet, thus Jake's overt concern. 

I'm not sure if helmet speakers are allowed on D in CFL.  I don't think they are disallowed.  However, nearly every D, if you watch carefully, uses hand signals.  There were shots of Younger in the last couple of weeks giving signals.

Because the D doesn't huddle, giving helmet signals to just 1 guy has limited effectiveness, because the call still needs to be distributed to the entire D.  Thus hand signals might be a faster way to communicate to everyone.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2026, 01:15:21 PMWe only had the ball for about 3 minutes in the 3rd Q

Does that mean my 90% can't lose 2025 bet of "WPG loses 3rd Q" is back on the table??  We had been doing ok in the 3rd until now.  Back to '25 bad 3Q performances??

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 04:35:12 PMYa, I just don't get this. Our O line was absolutely dominating Edmonton's D line the first half, road grading and running and getting big yards at will, then its like we turned off the tap and had nothing.

One of our players, don't remember who, in a presser a few weeks back, talked about how they were on teams that started games hot but would then peter out and lose -- they couldn't sustain it.  We've never been that team, but the last 3 games we seem to be going that direction.

MOS and the team took so much criticism for starting every 2026 game slow -- media was playing it up every week.  So the team made a conscious effort to start faster.  And they did.  And just like that player said, some teams can't sustain it.  And we couldn't.

It's a conundrum, for sure.

Here are the Brady runs:

1Q
2&1 2
2&4 7
2&2 10
1&10 35
1&10 5
1&10 7

2Q
2&3 4
1&10 10
1&10 5
1&10 9
2&1 4
1&10 1  clock 2:56
2&11 9
1&10 4

3Q
1&10 6

4Q
1&10 2

What stands out to me is starting after the 3min warning in H1, the EDM D changed tactics to take away Brady.  After that point he had 1 1st down run I'd call successful: the one in 3Q (we had to punt anyway after).  Usually this means loading the box, run blitzing or just having all LBs cheat up for the run vs cheat back for the pass.  I will rewatch to confirm what they were doing.

Before that we were doing way more 2&whatever with Brady, and they were working exceptionally well.  I think the all-pass 1st down until 1Q4:31 really screwed up EDM, and was a tendency breaker for us, and more importantly we used that to open up the next 7 mins of ball for 1st down runs.  This is a common tactic of OCs, and as you can see it worked perfectly.

For those that say we just should have kept running Brady on 1st all game, a) we didn't even do it early, b) the "cheatcode" setup trick was exhausted by mid Q2.  And after that he averaged 3.25Y per 1st down rush.  And we all know we cannot sustain 2nd & 6.75 -- it's too far for us.  And thus we stopped doing it.

It seems like maybe Condell had only a 1st order plan -- pass-mostly then switch to run-on-first -- with not much of a higher-order plan for when EDM countered.  He did have a couple of great wide-open deep shots he finagled later in the game, which may have been part of a grand plan, but Zach & RECs botched every last one of them.  Maybe that's why Condell was so angry in the booth.  We all know WPG only gets a couple of those free shots schemed open a game.  And when we don't connect on them, we generally lose.

Well, based on those numbers, at no point did they stop Brady, we just stopped using him.

Quote from: Jesse on August 23, 2026, 03:46:29 AMWell, based on those numbers, at no point did they stop Brady, we just stopped using him.

Not true.  We really only had like 3 drives in the 2nd H so it screws up the perception.  Like I said, 1 4 6 2 as his last 1st down runs are more than enough to see that EDM said "no more Brady".  MOS/Condell have said repeatedly that they will change run-mostly plans when faced with stacked boxes.

1 4 6 2 proves stacked boxes and no room to run, vs 35 5 7 10 5 9 on all the previous 1st down runs!  The latter numbers, you keep plowing.  The former, it's been taken away.  And the reason it was taken away was EDM saw that "normal D" wasn't able to stop Brady.

Since everyone (even TSN booth guys and MOS) acknowledge we MUST NOT BE IN 2ND AND LONG (or even medium), then once you get 3 of 4 runs that put you in 2nd and really tough, you have to abandon that approach.  At least until it opens up again for you like it did late in the 1st Q.  We simply are not a team that can convert 2nd & 9 without great luck or tricks, and haven't been for a long time.

Quote from: Tecno on August 23, 2026, 01:41:40 AMI think we have a conditioning problem. 

The last couple of years MOS's answer is to give them more rest, more time off practice. It's not working.

Has anyone checked how often we went empty backfield in the first half and then in the 2nd half?
I haven't re- watched the game to look at that.

I understand that every team goes empty backfield at various times for different reasons but we seem to do it a lot more. To me this makes it easier for the D.

Wow 52 pages!
People apparently care.
Even know Tecno is responsible for about 21.5 pages himself.

Quote from: TrueBlue4 on August 23, 2026, 11:32:15 PMHas anyone checked how often we went empty backfield in the first half and then in the 2nd half?
I haven't re- watched the game to look at that.

I understand that every team goes empty backfield at various times for different reasons but we seem to do it a lot more. To me this makes it easier for the D.

Not as much as in the BC game previous, noticed Brady and others sticking around longer to help chip Zach rushers, it worked well for the first half.

7) Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6)

It was the tale of two halves for Winnipeg this week, as they looked like the Montreal Alouettes in the first half and the Ottawa Redblacks in the second half. The team had 300 net yards through two quarters of action in Edmonton, then managed only 19 more the rest of the way. Brady Oliveira had just two touches during third and fourth quarters, and the defence couldn't get stops when it needed to late in the game thanks to some seriously sloppy tackling. The collapse cost Winnipeg a chance to prove it can hang with the top team in the West Division.

The definition of a Jekyll & Hyde game. An incredibly strong first half and then a completely pathetic second half.

I'm at a loss with this team.

https://youtu.be/vRhX5CU3uik?t=211

Very interesting.  And who says MOS never gives us any actual insight!  Y'all just aren't patient enough  ;)

He talks about maybe our D having 2 modes: "attack" mode vs "secure" mode.  He says secure mode is more a clock killing thing, and probably means keep everything ahead of you, not give up explosions, etc.  I guess attack mode would be playing guys closer, taking more risks to maybe get more INTs or disruptions or immediate tackles.

So that whole "we need to stop them driving 40Y to get in FG range so why are we playing 15Y off every REC" thing that basically everyone has noticed is a CHOICE ("secure" mode) and if MOS/Younger want they can switch to "attack" mode.

Now, the big question for me is, is MOS talking about Younger/Hall being in the wrong mode, or the players?  Because I'm not sure it's MOS's job to tell the D what to do.

And the other question is, wouldn't Younger/Hall just know this?  Who on earth would be thinking tied with 1:30 left that you're trying to just kill clock??  Something doesn't smell right here.  Though I still appreciate the insight.

Tecno's Take (right at the whistle edition)

good
zach 16.5
brady 15.5
jones 6.5
demski 6
smith 5
nield 5
major 5
vaval 4.5
pokey 4.5
neuf 4.5
els 3.5
white 3
wallace 3
lawson 3
kyrie 3
kelly 3
daniels 3
woodbey 2.5
willie 2.5
reese 2.5
holm 2.5
ceresna 2.5
broxton 2.5
nichols 2
castillo 2
stan 1.5
moxey 1.5
1 or less each: sheahan, hazen, fletcher, cobb, clercius, ayers, schmeck

bad
zach 7
woodbey 4.5
stan 3
pokey 3
neuf 3
kelly 3
nield 2.5
major 2
jones 2
els 2
daniels 2
holm 1.5
1 or less: nichols, moxey, fletcher, demski, ceresna, brady, vaval, kyrie, broxton

1Q8:39 There's a blatant IC jam on Daniels 7Y from LoS.  Refs usually call that, as the DB used his hands.  Looks like it was a mugging by our guy, but refs call it on the D every time when hands are used.  This is the first missed pass of the game as Zach was hurried.  7Y from the GL.  Demski was totally open for an easy 5Y, or possible TD with YAC. Zach got greedy and misjudged the time he had.

1Q4:33 Interestingly it took this long for Brady to get 1st down run, as everything before that was pass on 1st. It goes for 35 because EDM was expecting another pass.

1Q3:46 Nield's first catch he almost drops it!  He catches it too high and it drops to his crotch where he recovers.  Foreshadowing his drops later.

1Q3:16 Total waste of a challenge by MOS, as command was letting "minor" RTP go a couple of times this season.  I'm not sure any pass play where we put Brady out wide and empty the backfield has succeeded all season.  What a stupid scheme.  As soon as you go empty you give the opponent a free ticket to max pass rush against our very dodgy OL.  Refs screwed us the whole rest of the game.  Never give up your challenge early in the game.  MOS knows better than that.

1Q3:00 On both early TD attempts EDM is in cover 0 or 1, and in all cases any 1-on-1 is blanketed.  Like 100% zero separation. How can Zach succeed if no one is ever open?  Either EDM D is that good at coverage, or our RECs suck at getting separation. I blame the scheme, too.  It's too predictable and we never do anything fancy.  The D rapidly susses out who is the decoy, who is the clearing route, etc.

2Q11:20 Broxton's best run block of the season?  Very Yoshi-like.  All that dev paying off?  He chips a guy at the line then bulldozes and becomes Brady's lead blocker.  He then seals off two guys outside.

2Q5:06 Zach tweaks his knee on a scramble up the gut.

2Q1:34 EDM's first TD, it's Holm who screws up, follows Mack's fake across and doesn't see he turns back.  But what is Nichols doing as he's sprinting to the rail to hit Mack -- he just holds up and slows down on a perfectly makeable tackle.  The only other guy who can stop him is Major coming from the EZ.  It's inexplicable, and that type of quit isn't allowed, and I hope MOS is noticing this.  Unless... is Nichols saying "they'll get the TD anyhow so let's give ourselves
time to score again on O"?

3Q13:23 Vaval does have an INT.  He was robbed by the refs, and because MOS wasted his challenge, there was nothing he could do about it.  There are two issues: 1. Vaval has more control of it than Luther.  Vaval has it held perfectly with two hands directly in his chest.  Luther has two hands loosely around it and in his face mask.  Luther never has more control of it.  This is clearly visible on the slow-mo replay.  2. Vaval comes up with it, which is important because Luther caught it jumping: when "leaving your feet" it is completely required you have full control as you go OOB, and survive contact with the ground. Because of #1 I don't think you have to consider #2, but if you don't believe #1 (as the refs didn't) then you must consider #2.  Picture this: Luther is on his own diving OOB, secures the ball, but drops it when he hits the ground. That would be incomplete every day of the week.  No different if Vaval is there taking it away.  If we challenged this we would have won.  Refs gave it to EDM because a) we had no challenge and they have zero incentive not to err on the side of EDM, and b) EDM was
getting spanked and they always want to even things out for the show.

3Q11:32 Vaval is in on D for a while, and for this set at least he's out there with all the DBs including Nichols and Kelly!  Looks like they took out a LB, and put Major at SAM.  Only Woodbey & Smith were in.  It's like an all-speed all-coverage set.  I really like it, and it probably threw EDM for a bit of a loop as I don't think we've done this before.  Unfortunately Rankin makes a great catch to convert and Cody waits long enough to take a big hit from Ceresna.

3Q2:52 The holding by EDM they left uncalled is quite astounding.  Check out the hold on a sure tackle by Fletcher by the LT. Just wow.  2 refs directly behind Cody witness it and... crickets.  And Fletcher gets injured by that reckless takedown.

4Q2:51 Is indeed no yards on the Vaval return, by probably 0.5-1.0Y.  Yes, refs often don't call that one, and you don't win it on challenge either.  Again, when you don't have a challenge, refs won't throw you any bones because they can't be punished for not giving it to you.

4Q2:03 The final Zach sack on an 8-man blitz.  That means cover 0 and man-on-man on all 4 RECs.  You need to just chuck that ball to your best REC go route (like Pokey).  Just chuck up a rainbow instantly.  I hate to say it, but Cody would.  You wait all game to get the 1-on-1 match-ups you want and here they hand it to you on a silver platter and you don't put the ball up?  Every REC let us down and Zach let us down and Condell let us down.  And Demski's failed block let us down.  What an ugly, sloppy O.  Frankly pathetic.

4Q1:03 Rankin's final big 2 runs to get them near FG range, MOS talked about (almost certainly) these 2 plays in the pressers after the game.  Woodbey and Vaval are standing around waiting for Rankin rather than "attacking" him to try to get the quicker stop.  Both players are just standing around and Rankin just goes where they aren't.  EDM runs the exact same play twice in a row, and both times Woodbey is just sitting there giving up all the yards in the world.  This was Woodbey's worst game and my grading of him shows it.  Completely useless compared to Griffin, who we're really missing.

There was a bucketload of Clercius early this game, in place of Cobb.  Lots of Clercius blocking, but from a slot position.  A ton of Daniels, and less Eli (only super jumbo?).  Later in the game we seemed to move away from all of that and just had Daniels a lot.

The depressing part is EDM went very conservative at the end of the game because they had the tie in hand. I thought they'd put the gas down, but they didn't. And yet we still couldn't stop them because of the super-soft no-aggression D scheme.  If we had held them to 5Y back somehow their K would likely miss that FG.

Love to see the fire by condell in the booth on the failed Pokey rail home run; at least someone isn't wallowing in insouciance.

The late pick Zach threw was a 55Y point-to-point toss: basically the limit of his range, but he looked comfortable doing it (and overthrew).

Vaval has metal braces!  Like on his teeth!

Zach overthrew/too-highed everything, but the long shots were mostly at a big angles, with the rail ruining any chance the REC has to get to it: why aren't we throwing more into the middle of the field?  Later on Zach throws the seam post that gets INTed, and maybe that was to compensate. If Zach throws that more outside (you know, away from the other DB help?) it's almost certainly a big gain.

Our OL needs to hold more: When refs are allowing insane holding you can't win unless you hold too.

What changed starting late in the 2nd Q that lost us the game?  EDM started holding more, like total SSK OL max holding.  Refs weren't calling it, so they did it, but we didn't -- we never do.  EDM switched from shots to total dink & dunk, and as expected, our scheme has zero answer.  Their huge drives wore down our DL and LBs. Cody started mostly dropping back 5Y on every pass play, which gives him the time he needs from guys pass rushing inside.  Not sure why Zach can't do that. EDM picking on Kelly so much, and kelly isn't quick enough to get to his guy.  we played 95% zone, and soft zone at that, the scheme gives up everything underneath. We get the opponent in 2nd & long so much, which is what the whole scheme is designed for, but then cannot do a single thing on 2nd down and just leave easy pitch & catches wide open uncontested in the zone. What good is the scheme that does this?  What good is it to limit them on 1st down just to hand them 2nd down on a platter?  If the answer is pressure: well they got no pressure on 2nd down, at all, ever.  And they never blitzed, what's up with that? Getting totally owned by the EDM OC, totally made a ton of adjustments, like he had 20 guys studying the 1st H tape and figuring out every little tendency of our every D player and calling the perfect counter play.

But what really lost this game is Zach.  He lost this game by overthrowing everyone after our great start.  And he never got rid of the ball in time on any of the 2nd H blitzes and breakdowns.  He always overestimates the time he has -- probably the worst in the league at that.  Yes, everyone took turns letting him down, especially the OL, blockers, RECs and worst of all: Condell.  But the worst by far was Zach.  He was so dialed in until he took the early hits.  Then he did his best T.Harris impersonation and became utterly useless.  Should have just put Dru in.  His headspace was shot.  Now I'm starting to see why they used to pull Zach the first bop he got.  It's not to protect Zach: it's because he'll stink the joint out after that.

Bonus: Are we ever going to play man coverage?  Are we even capable?  Or does the braintrust think our guys are devoid of talent?  This is going back to like 2017 days when Hall said we weren't good enough for man.

How many of Brady's touches are RPO?

In the first half, was the read "R", and the second half, adjustments made on D that turned the read to "P"?

Is Collaros that quick at the reads?  Does he take his option a certain way depending on the time in the game?  Does he think his arm gets them a better chance to win than Brady's legs, and that takes over his option decision?

Because, looking at the game, his arm definitely does not.  At this moment.

Quote from: theaardvark on August 28, 2026, 03:10:28 PMHow many of Brady's touches are RPO?

In the first half, was the read "R", and the second half, adjustments made on D that turned the read to "P"?

Is Collaros that quick at the reads?  Does he take his option a certain way depending on the time in the game?  Does he think his arm gets them a better chance to win than Brady's legs, and that takes over his option decision?

Because, looking at the game, his arm definitely does not.  At this moment.

This is Zach's Mulligan season, promise of improvement or change does not buy him another one.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 28, 2026, 05:44:56 PMThis is Zach's Mulligan season, promise of improvement or change does not buy him another one.

Agreed. My buddies and I said this before the season started. He's out of excuses. We spent money at receiver and at OL. If he can't do it with this roster, then he can't do it.