seems odd that Naylor would be reporting this:
The @Wpg_BlueBombers have been granted permission to speak to @TorontoArgos QB coach Mike Miller about their OC position. Miller remains a candidate for the @TorontoArgos head coaching position. #CFL #Argos
Hogan is still the OC, so why ask permission to interview someone else. Miller was in contention last season for the position as well.
is something brewing?
Interesting but it could mean just about anything. Hogan could be on his way out or being moved to a different role.
IMO it's reasonable to think we'll see some changes in the ranks. I don't know if Jackson will be back. Hall might be considering retirement? Younger may be a candidate elsewhere.
Lots of moving parts and no certainty at the moment.
Not knowing what the coaching SMS looks like or allows us to consider is a wait and see. O'Shea probably got more and some may have to give in a re-shuffling of chairs.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 24, 2025, 04:44:23 PMis something brewing?
I hope it's Hogan's imminent departure.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 24, 2025, 04:44:23 PMseems odd that Naylor would be reporting this:
The @Wpg_BlueBombers have been granted permission to speak to @TorontoArgos QB coach Mike Miller about their OC position. Miller remains a candidate for the @TorontoArgos head coaching position. #CFL #Argos
Hogan is still the OC, so why ask permission to interview someone else. Miller was in contention last season for the position as well.
is something brewing?
I'm not a fan of Naylor, so I would be perfectly fine with believing he's stirring the hornet's nest if he was reporting we we're planning on asking permission; but, the permission being "granted" means it's probably true.
I wanted Mike Miller for OC last year so this would be a pretty good get, imo. He had a hand in making MBT, Kelly, and Arbuckle look pretty competent.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 24, 2025, 04:44:23 PMseems odd that Naylor would be reporting this:
The @Wpg_BlueBombers have been granted permission to speak to @TorontoArgos QB coach Mike Miller about their OC position. Miller remains a candidate for the @TorontoArgos head coaching position. #CFL #Argos
Hogan is still the OC, so why ask permission to interview someone else. Miller was in contention last season for the position as well.
is something brewing?
You'd think Ed Tait would have the skinny but expecting the team to address these moves in a forthright manner is expecting too much. Sounds like Hogan is gonzo or going back to position coach if he wants to stick around. Not sure the team got much value out of Jackson but never know, we'll see if they interview him for the OC job.
Well I sure hope someone had a chat with Hogan..would suck to open twitter and see a bunch of tweets that your team has been granted permission to talk to someone about filling your role. Nobody deserves that..
Hope so. Wasn't Miller a special teams guy in Winnipeg after he retired as a player.
Quote from: DM83 on November 24, 2025, 06:42:41 PMHope so. Wasn't Miller a special teams guy in Winnipeg after he retired as a player.
Nope. This is a different Mike Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(gridiron_football_coach%2C_born_1970)).
Aren't these guys under Contract for a calendar year?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 24, 2025, 05:46:10 PMYou'd think Ed Tait would have the skinny but expecting the team to address these moves in a forthright manner is expecting too much.
Would this be something that Tait would break (or even speculate) though, now that he's on the Bombers payroll?
Quote from: Stretch on November 24, 2025, 07:39:10 PMWould this be something that Tait would break (or even speculate) though, now that he's on the Bombers payroll?
If they're looking for Hogan's replacement already, it makes sense to announce he's being replaced first.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 24, 2025, 08:09:44 PMIf they're looking for Hogan's replacement already, it makes sense to announce he's being replaced first.
I'm sure he's been told if that's what they're planning.
Doesn't mean they want to announce anything yet.
you wonder how these things even get out. When it effects other members of the organization youd think they would keep a lid on it. Also perhaps Miller has been given some options which havent been solidified yet.
I imagine now that its been leaked Tait will have a comment
Quote from: Pete on November 24, 2025, 08:23:01 PMyou wonder how these things even get out. When it effects other members of the organization youd think they would keep a lid on it. Also perhaps Miller has been given some options which havent been solidified yet.
I imagine now that its been leaked Tait will have a comment
The leak may have come from the Argo's camp, nobody on the Bomber end brave enough to upset MOS.
Farhan reporting that Tommy Condell is in the mix for the OC position
https://x.com/FarhanLaljiTSN/status/1993069439643009485?t=9lsvXIv_da-06Qr1Y1lh7g&s=19 (https://x.com/FarhanLaljiTSN/status/1993069439643009485?t=9lsvXIv_da-06Qr1Y1lh7g&s=19)
So if this is true does Brody have anything to do with the OC change a bit?
I'm glad we're looking to improve the OC position.
I'm sure Hogan was told that he won't be back. Unlike waiting around for months last year we seem to be doing something about it early now.
Good sign.
The brass are listening to fans and/or players. This is good news. Or perhaps Osh just saw how bad it really was. Either way, I'm glad it's happening. I will get my hopes up when someone is signed though. Since Condell has worked with ZC8 before, that may be the way to go.
What a totally CFL thing to happen.
Our OC and STC both named Mike Miller?
Will one have to change his name, like Ottawa had to when we had two Rough Riders?
Quote from: Stats Junkie on November 24, 2025, 08:39:36 PMFarhan reporting that Tommy Condell is in the mix for the OC position
Uh, didn't we all learn our lesson about not trusting the pundits? Remember how they swore MOS was gonzo to TOR?
Oh ya, hard pass on Condell -- the dual GC loser of '19 and '21. He might get you to the cup, but he'll choke in the big game.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 25, 2025, 05:54:22 AMWhat a totally CFL thing to happen.
Our OC and STC both named Mike Miller?
And when '19 and '21 cups had Mike Jones covering Mike Jones?
The moral of the story: DON'T NAME YOUR KIDS MIKE! Voila, problem solved.
There were 2 Greg Marshall's coaching in the CFL. One (dlineman ) is currently with the Argos, the other (running back) is HC of the Western Mustangs.
Quote from: Tecno on November 25, 2025, 08:45:30 AMUh, didn't we all learn our lesson about not trusting the pundits? Remember how they swore MOS was gonzo to TOR?
Oh ya, hard pass on Condell -- the dual GC loser of '19 and '21. He might get you to the cup, but he'll choke in the big game.
our head coach has "choked" in the big game as well.
i would prefer Miller to Condell but that is just me
Quote from: Tecno on November 25, 2025, 08:45:30 AMOh ya, hard pass on Condell -- the dual GC loser of '19 and '21. He might get you to the cup, but he'll choke in the big game.
That 21 game was as close as you can get. I don't blame Condell for a "choke". An inch here or there was the difference. It was our defense at it's best and we got all we could handle that day.
Quote from: Tecno on November 25, 2025, 08:45:30 AMOh ya, hard pass on Condell -- the dual GC loser of '19 and '21. He might get you to the cup, but he'll choke in the big game.
Yikes... With a pretty questionable take like this, it makes me wonder what you think about Buck Pierce.
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Quote from: DM83 on November 24, 2025, 06:42:41 PMHope so. Wasn't Miller a special teams guy in Winnipeg after he retired as a player.
Yeah, weird choice as QC, if they choose him. Kind of makes no sense.
Quote from: peg_city on November 25, 2025, 01:37:54 PMYeah, weird choice as QC, if they choose him. Kind of makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense when you realize it's this Mike Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(gridiron_football_coach%2C_born_1970)) and not this Mike Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(Canadian_football)). Two different individuals.
Quote from: Tecno on November 25, 2025, 08:45:30 AMUh, didn't we all learn our lesson about not trusting the pundits? Remember how they swore MOS was gonzo to TOR?
Oh ya, hard pass on Condell -- the dual GC loser of '19 and '21. He might get you to the cup, but he'll choke in the big game.
Absolutely do not trust opinions or predictions. They come from a very biased place that inherently does not believe in the CFL.
But they do have league contacts. So when they report that something has already happened, like a team giving permission to speak to a coach, it's pretty trustworthy.
On Condell and Miller:
If we've talked to both, the smart money might be on Condell. Part of the problem this year was going with inexperience. You combine the fact the Condell's done it before along with the fact that he is Zach's favourite person in the CFL, and there might be too strong a connection to ignore.
Worth noting both Condell and Collaros were with the Ti-Cats in 2014 and 2015. That familiarity could be helpful.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 25, 2025, 01:44:18 PMIt makes perfect sense when you realize it's this Mike Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(gridiron_football_coach%2C_born_1970)) and not this Mike Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(Canadian_football)). Two different individuals.
Ohhh, I thought it was Mike Miller the basketball player
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(basketball,_born_1980)
Quote from: peg_city on November 25, 2025, 01:59:29 PMOhhh, I thought it was Mike Miller the basketball player
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Miller_(basketball,_born_1980)
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Quote from: Jesse on November 25, 2025, 01:48:23 PMAbsolutely do not trust opinions or predictions. They come from a very biased place that inherently does not believe in the CFL.
But they do have league contacts. So when they report that something has already happened, like a team giving permission to speak to a coach, it's pretty trustworthy.
On Condell and Miller:
If we've talked to both, the smart money might be on Condell. Part of the problem this year was going with inexperience. You combine the fact the Condell's done it before along with the fact that he is Zach's favourite person in the CFL, and there might be too strong a connection to ignore.
Different motivations, Condell likely out of a job in Ottawa with Dinwiddie's arrival, while Mike Miller is interviewing for the HC job in T.O.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 25, 2025, 01:54:33 PMWorth noting both Condell and Collaros were with the Ti-Cats in 2014 and 2015. That familiarity could be helpful.
To note, when Condell and Zach worked together 2014-15 the Ti-Cats went 9-9 and 10-8 under HC Kent Austin.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 25, 2025, 05:40:47 PMTo note, when Condell and Zach worked together 2014-15 the Ti-Cats went 9-9 and 10-8 under HC Kent Austin.
They also went to the Grey Cup in 2014 and played a hard-fought East Final a year later, albeit in a losing effort. Collaros also didn't play in that game due to a season-ending injury in September of that season.
FWIW, Collaros' stats were solid during those two seasons (101.9 QBR in 25 regular season games). I'm curious if a reunion between him and Condell would be positive, particularly for Collaros.
Quote from: Tecno on November 25, 2025, 08:46:24 AMAnd when '19 and '21 cups had Mike Jones covering Mike Jones?
The moral of the story: DON'T NAME YOUR KIDS MIKE! Voila, problem solved.
Terrible, horrible take. The worst yet.
No mention of Jarious Jackson as an option?
Most of us wondered why that simply wasn't the case this year. Hindsight is meaningless here but it's not hard to imagine that maybe our offense would have been better under the watch of an extremely experienced CFL coach and former player. I most certainly wouldn't be opposed if he were in the running.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 25, 2025, 06:46:16 PMNo mention of Jarious Jackson as an option?
Most of us wondered why that simply wasn't the case this year. Hindsight is meaningless here but it's not hard to imagine that maybe our offense would have been better under the watch of an extremely experienced CFL coach and former player. I most certainly wouldn't be opposed if he were in the running.
The fact Jackson was in the same room and couldn't alter the course looks bad on him. Always got the impression he was a passive observer to Jones downfall in Edmonton and couldn't come up with anything to salvage that disaster.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 25, 2025, 07:20:32 PMThe fact Jackson was in the same room and couldn't alter the course looks bad on him.
Jackson was the QB coach, so this is a bad take. Hogan was given the reins of the offense, and he failed as OC. That's not on Jackson.
If anything, it's on those who gave Hogan the OC title in the first place.
Whatever it takes, I don't want to see Hogan back as OC; maybe as a positional coach, but definitely not in the big chair. He's a jabroni, and the Iron Sheik would break his back and make him humble.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 25, 2025, 07:47:56 PMJackson was the QB coach, so this is a bad take. Hogan was given the reins of the offense, and he failed as OC. That's not on Jackson.
If anything, it's on those who gave Hogan the OC title in the first place.
and he didn't succeed in that role...Zacs performance certainly didn.t improve, so why would we promote him? You could also argue that he was brought in to assist Hogan but that speaks for itself as well. Maybe they should give Khari a call?
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 25, 2025, 06:46:16 PMNo mention of Jarious Jackson as an option?
Most of us wondered why that simply wasn't the case this year. Hindsight is meaningless here but it's not hard to imagine that maybe our offense would have been better under the watch of an extremely experienced CFL coach and former player. I most certainly wouldn't be opposed if he were in the running.
Before all these interview requests, he was still my top option!
This is 100% unverified, but John Hodge was saying that Zach loves Jackson. Seems to be a good mix of skills of both Condell and Miller. Experienced OC + QB coach.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 25, 2025, 06:44:13 PMTerrible, horrible take. The worst yet.
A few other Mike's we should be looking at.
Mike Reilly
Mike Kelly
Mike Gibson
Mike Sherman (remember him coaching the Als)
Mic drop
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 25, 2025, 06:44:13 PMTerrible, horrible take. The worst yet.
Holy jeez! It's a joke!
Although... if you don't want your kid to get confused with every other kid, avoid the most comment names, this is simple logic.
Maybe we can get an entire Prez/GM/coach/coords room of guys all with either the first name Mike or last name Miller! With triple points for anyone with both names. We're halfway there??
Quote from: Jesse on November 25, 2025, 10:25:09 PMThis is 100% unverified, but John Hodge was saying that Zach loves Jackson. Seems to be a good mix of skills of both Condell and Miller. Experienced OC + QB coach.
Jeez, Zach seems to love everyone, according to this thread! Is he living on a 1969 commune or something?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 25, 2025, 07:47:56 PMJackson was the QB coach, so this is a bad take. Hogan was given the reins of the offense, and he failed as OC. That's not on Jackson.
No, it is a good take because Hogan has said a zillion times his approach is to be bottom-up and take whatever ideas/advice he can from those around/under him.
And everyone knows Jarious was brought in to be an "OC Lite" for us. I 100% guarantee he had as much input into the O play design/calls as he desired. The fact the pair of them were kind of, uh, weak, looks bad on both of them.
Quote from: Jesse on November 25, 2025, 01:48:23 PMIf we've talked to both, the smart money might be on Condell. Part of the problem this year was going with inexperience. You combine the fact the Condell's done it before along with the fact that he is Zach's favourite person in the CFL, and there might be too strong a connection to ignore.
Where did you get "Zach's favorite person" from? I don't recall Zach mentioning Condell in any of his pressers in his time here. However, the fact they worked together in HAM is certainly intriguing. Add in that you guys think Condell is going to be fired from OTT... suddenly you get some serious increase in probability he indeed will come here.
Still have no idea where you get the $ in the coaches cap to pay the guy, though. He won't work for beer, back bacon and smokes like Hogan did.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 25, 2025, 01:36:00 PMYikes... With a pretty questionable take like this, it makes me wonder what you think about Buck Pierce.
Touche. The difference is, though, that Buck was
our (GC) loser. I like our loser more than their loser. Plus, Buck kind of got the shaft in all 3 GC losses... our O did almost enough to win in all, absent the Zach injury in '24. Condell had no chance in the '19 cup.
Quote from: Tecno on November 26, 2025, 07:30:31 AMJeez, Zach seems to love everyone, according to this thread! Is he living on a 1969 commune or something?
Well, reportedly doesn't love Hogan.
Quote from: Tecno on November 26, 2025, 07:35:17 AMWhere did you get "Zach's favorite person" from? I don't recall Zach mentioning Condell in any of his pressers in his time here. However, the fact they worked together in HAM is certainly intriguing. Add in that you guys think Condell is going to be fired from OTT... suddenly you get some serious increase in probability he indeed will come here.
Still have no idea where you get the $ in the coaches cap to pay the guy, though. He won't work for beer, back bacon and smokes like Hogan did.
He's actively talked about Condell many times. Whatever that offensive scheme was that they used in Hamilton, Zach's a fan.
Quote from: Tecno on November 26, 2025, 07:32:31 AMNo, it is a good take because Hogan has said a zillion times his approach is to be bottom-up and take whatever ideas/advice he can from those around/under him.
It's a good take on the condition that you take Hogan at his word...? I'm not sure his word is worth that much at this juncture, as it doesn't seem like he operated with a bottom-up approach.
Quote from: Tecno on November 26, 2025, 07:37:39 AMTouche. The difference is, though, that Buck was our (GC) loser. I like our loser more than their loser. Plus, Buck kind of got the shaft in all 3 GC losses... our O did almost enough to win in all, absent the Zach injury in '24. Condell had no chance in the '19 cup.
This is bit of an Aardvarkian take. If you claim that Condell choked in 2019 and 2021*, the same logic would have to be applied to Pierce in both 2022 and 2023, and quite possibly in 2024.
And you make it sound like Condell didn't deal with QB injury issues in either 2019 or 2021. He did, though.
*
even though the Bombers were the better team that season
Jackson was late coming in, and the offence was so bad this year even with him on staff "helping". I don't think Jackson did enough to warrant the OC position....my 2 cents anyway
Jackson coming late last year hurt a lot, I don't think MOS was happy. He also didn't hire him the first time around. Condell or Miller could bring a QB with them? I can dream can't I?
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on November 26, 2025, 04:08:08 PMJackson was late coming in...
Quote from: Waffler on November 26, 2025, 04:12:41 PMJackson coming late last year hurt a lot...
Jackson wasn't late coming in, nor was he here last year. He joined the team in February of this year (https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/02/04/winnipeg-blue-bombers-name-jason-hogan-offensive-coordinator-jarious-jackson-quarterbacks-coach/).
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2025, 04:20:51 PMJackson wasn't here last year. He joined the team in February of this year (https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/02/04/winnipeg-blue-bombers-name-jason-hogan-offensive-coordinator-jarious-jackson-quarterbacks-coach/).
I meant the 2025 season.
Quote from: Waffler on November 26, 2025, 04:22:02 PMI meant the 2025 season.
Thanks for clarifying, but it doesn't change the fact he was hired around the same time as Hogan was promoted to OC - early February.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2025, 04:23:46 PMThanks for clarifying, but it doesn't change the fact he was hired around the same time as Hogan was promoted to OC - early February.
Winnipeg Blue Bombers practices had been akin to a game of Where's Waldo?, except the man being searched for all spring was Jarious Jackson.
On Monday, the club's quarterbacks coach was in plain sight, wearing a bright blue hoodie emblazoned with a large W and the matching shorts to go with it, as he joined the team for his first practice as a member of the Blue and Gold.
The 48-year-old was hired by the Bombers in February — announced the same day Jason Hogan was named offensive co-ordinator — but was excused from the team throughout training camp.
-Free Press
He missed all camp and preseason. It hurt.
Quote from: Waffler on November 26, 2025, 04:26:04 PMWinnipeg Blue Bombers practices had been akin to a game of Where's Waldo?, except the man being searched for all spring was Jarious Jackson.
On Monday, the club's quarterbacks coach was in plain sight, wearing a bright blue hoodie emblazoned with a large W and the matching shorts to go with it, as he joined the team for his first practice as a member of the Blue and Gold.
The 48-year-old was hired by the Bombers in February — announced the same day Jason Hogan was named offensive co-ordinator — but was excused from the team throughout training camp.
-Free Press
He missed all camp and preseason. It hurt.
Who did it hurt? Hogan?
Quote from: Waffler on November 26, 2025, 04:12:41 PMJackson coming late last year hurt a lot, I don't think MOS was happy. He also didn't hire him the first time around. Condell or Miller could bring a QB with them? I can dream can't I?
Jackson and Hogan both.
Lost in all the criticism about the failure that was Free Agency last year, was the fact that the whole off season was a bust from start to finish. We did not hire Jason Hogan until February. After FA had already started, iirc. And then of course Jackson was also MIA into training camp. Just an absolute flustercluck.
This season, with a bunch of changes/decisions needing to be made, I think the priority is on signing the coordinator before December 31st so they can both have input on who we need to re-sign and so players can be assured that they want to re-sign.
Some discussion between Andrew Paterson and Jeff Hamilton yesterday:
Tommy Condell:
- Zach has spoken many times about how much he respects Condell
- If it was his choice, this is the hire
- Rumoured that Zach was influential in getting Condell the Ottawa job, as he thought he was the perfect guy to work with Dru Brown
Mike Miller:
- Elgersma was a part of the Toronto Argo's CFL QB internship and spent a couple training camps with them. Apparently he credits Mike Miller with teaching him a lot. A bit of a tie in.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2025, 04:27:56 PMWho did it hurt? Hogan?
You don't think it'd be ideal to have your QB coach available during training camp?
Collaros specifically talked about working on installs during TC that they never used during the season. Feels like an experienced OC might have helped there.
Condell is the answer here and now at OC, IMO. I can't think of a more suitable candidate with sufficient experience and success to get the offense back on track, not to mention already having a rapport with Collaros.
Quote from: Jesse on November 26, 2025, 04:32:33 PMYou don't think it'd be ideal to have your QB coach available during training camp?
Sure, it's ideal. However, the WFC excused his absence, ostensibly to Hogan's detriment. That then begs question why was Jackson permitted to miss TC at all considering the fact this team was employing a rookie OC in-house with basically no pedigree.
QuoteCollaros specifically talked about working on installs during TC that they never used during the season. Feels like an experienced OC might have helped there.
The WFC should've hired an experienced OC in the first place. Considering the expectations and pressure on this team going into the 2025 season, at least a few miscalculations were made with regard to the offense. And the team paid dearly for it the bulk of the season.
In hindsight, I think it's fair to say Hogan's promotion was a mistake, Jackson's permitted absence during TC was a mistake, and seemingly not giving the latter more leash while letting the former flounder was also a mistake.
Quote from: Tecno on November 26, 2025, 07:35:17 AMWhere did you get "Zach's favorite person" from? I don't recall Zach mentioning Condell in any of his pressers in his time here. However, the fact they worked together in HAM is certainly intriguing. Add in that you guys think Condell is going to be fired from OTT... suddenly you get some serious increase in probability he indeed will come here.
Still have no idea where you get the $ in the coaches cap to pay the guy, though. He won't work for beer, back bacon and smokes like Hogan did.
I only heard him mention this once, but in Hamilton he credits Condell with taking the time to show him how a CFL defnce operates and how best to exploit it, apparently something he did not pick up in his first 2 seasons with the Argos despite having Scott Milanovich and Ricky Ray to learn from.
Goes back to my belief Zach mostly built his career on his athletic ability and winging it rather than being a master technician surveying the field, he looks, he sees and he heaves the ball in the general direction. Sounds schoolyard but this is the same approach Flutie took, throw the ball to the first open receiver you see, extend play with legs if needed.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2025, 04:44:49 PMSure, it's ideal. However, the WFC excused his absence, ostensibly to Hogan's detriment. That then begs question why was Jackson permitted to miss TC at all considering the fact this team was employing a rookie OC in-house with basically no pedigree.
The WFC should've hired an experienced OC in the first place. Considering the expectations and pressure on this team going into the 2025 season, at least a few miscalculations were made with regard to the offense. And the team paid dearly for it the bulk of the season.
In hindsight, I think it's fair to say Hogan's promotion was a mistake, Jackson's permitted absence during TC was a mistake, and seemingly not giving the latter more leash while letting the former flounder was also a mistake.
Just mistake after mistake after mistake.
Mostly didn't need the benefit of hindsight either. Most people called this all out as it was happening. Hoping we can fix a lot of these obvious mistakes however.
Quote from: Jesse on November 26, 2025, 05:11:29 PMJust mistake after mistake after mistake.
Mostly didn't need the benefit of hindsight either. Most people called this all out as it was happening. Hoping we can fix a lot of these obvious mistakes however.
No question. Hindsight simply serves to reinforce what a horribly shortsighted decision it was, which is a poor reflection on the organization.
Now it's time to correct the issue and get the offense back on track.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2025, 04:44:49 PMSure, it's ideal. However, the WFC excused his absence, ostensibly to Hogan's detriment. That then begs question why was Jackson permitted to miss TC at all considering the fact this team was employing a rookie OC in-house with basically no pedigree.
The WFC should've hired an experienced OC in the first place. Considering the expectations and pressure on this team going into the 2025 season, at least a few miscalculations were made with regard to the offense. And the team paid dearly for it the bulk of the season.
In hindsight, I think it's fair to say Hogan's promotion was a mistake, Jackson's permitted absence during TC was a mistake, and seemingly not giving the latter more leash while letting the former flounder was also a mistake.
Nobody really knows why Jackson missed TC and the pre-season but to be fair he could have been recovering from a serious medical issue. It was O'Shea's decision not to provide any explanation for his absence.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 26, 2025, 06:09:08 PMNobody really knows why Jackson missed TC and the pre-season but to be fair he could have been recovering from a serious medical issue. It was O'Shea's decision not to provide any explanation for his absence.
The reason is irrelevant, IMO.
Quote from: Tecno on November 26, 2025, 07:29:41 AMHoly jeez! It's a joke!
Although... if you don't want your kid to get confused with every other kid, avoid the most comment names, this is simple logic.
Maybe we can get an entire Prez/GM/coach/coords room of guys all with either the first name Mike or last name Miller! With triple points for anyone with both names. We're halfway there??
I know...I was joking too. My name irl is Mike and so I must defend our honour.
Quote from: Tecno on November 25, 2025, 08:46:24 AMAnd when '19 and '21 cups had Mike Jones covering Mike Jones?
The moral of the story: DON'T NAME YOUR KIDS MIKE! Voila, problem solved.
We get to watch games with Justin Mcinnes, receiver, and Justin Mcinnes, head ref... might call p.i. On somebody covering his cognominal. Get out the t.f. Hat.
I've noticed that this forum tends more to the serious side.... Joking and lighthearted stuff isn't really the in thing here.
It's all business all the time.
Quote from: Jesse on November 26, 2025, 05:11:29 PMJust mistake after mistake after mistake.
Mostly didn't need the benefit of hindsight either. Most people called this all out as it was happening. Hoping we can fix a lot of these obvious mistakes however.
I had great hopes when we hired Jackson as our Qb coach as I thought he'd at least be in the room and able to help out Hogan, who we all knew was going to struggle, its understandable. But I am more disappointed in Jackson's lack of effort --not being at training camp to get a feel for what talent we had/didn't have, and where was he throughout the whole season?? In my books, I'd can Jackson and demote Hogan back to RB coach and bring in an experienced OC, if its Condell, so be it, he absolutely can't be any worse than what we just went through.
Quote from: dd on November 27, 2025, 01:09:07 AMI had great hopes when we hired Jackson as our Qb coach as I thought he'd at least be in the room and able to help out Hogan, who we all knew was going to struggle, its understandable. But I am more disappointed in Jackson's lack of effort --not being at training camp to get a feel for what talent we had/didn't have, and where was he throughout the whole season?? In my books, I'd can Jackson and demote Hogan back to RB coach and bring in an experienced OC, if its Condell, so be it, he absolutely can't be any worse than what we just went through.
Can't demote Hogan back to RB coach as that position is currently held by Bolduc. Unless of course Bolduc is gone.
Otherwise, Hogan is gone or worse back again as OC.
QuoteCan't demote Hogan back to RB coach as that position is currently held by Bolduc. Unless of course Bolduc is gone.
Otherwise, Hogan is gone or worse back again as OC.
I'd be more than happy if Jackson and Hogan were shown the door, but we know that isn't going to happen. If we keep the same OC we have nobody to blame but ourselves as we know what we're getting into before it even starts
Quote from: dd on November 27, 2025, 02:24:31 AMI'd be more than happy if Jackson and Hogan were shown the door, but we know that isn't going to happen. If we keep the same OC we have nobody to blame but ourselves as we know what we're getting into before it even starts
That's a bit harsh on Jackson. He was no doubt under the direction of Hogan. He did not have opportunity of a training camp due to personal matters he had to deal with. I would say the cards were stacked against him. If there is a scapegoat here it has to be Hogan. Whether he is demoted or let go is the issue. The management has obviously lost confidence in him as OC.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 27, 2025, 02:08:54 AMCan't demote Hogan back to RB coach as that position is currently held by Bolduc.
There is precedence for WFC to just dump a coord -- Boudreaux.
But what's Hogan's contract length? If he's already signed for '26 then we would have coach cap repercussions by outright firing him. And we all know we wouldn't get relief by some other team picking him up as OC!!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 26, 2025, 01:09:49 PMIt's a good take on the condition that you take Hogan at his word...? I'm not sure his word is worth that much at this juncture, as it doesn't seem like he operated with a bottom-up approach.
But it stands to reason. Assume he's as clueless an OC as everyone here seems to think. Assume he couldn't draw up a play to save his life. Wouldn't someone like that be thrilled to accept ideas & advice from everyone? Especially when he explicitly says that's what he's doing?
And still no one has answered:
WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM for a real OC? None of the real ones are going to work for Hogan money. And Mafia is already tight to the coach cap. There is no money!
We'd literally have to rig up one of those BLM "cushy no-show job for the wife" things. And I'm not saying we wouldn't do that... but you have to be careful on how much you play with the coach cap (cough cough Hall cough Jarious).
Add in the fact that I don't think the coach cap has gone up in like 4 years -- at least it wasn't announced. Inflation is biting into the office side too!
This Hogan guy is a picture of deadman walking.
Quote from: Tecno on November 27, 2025, 06:44:01 AMAnd still no one has answered:
WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM for a real OC? None of the real ones are going to work for Hogan money. And Mafia is already tight to the coach cap. There is no money!
We'd literally have to rig up one of those BLM "cushy no-show job for the wife" things. And I'm not saying we wouldn't do that... but you have to be careful on how much you play with the coach cap (cough cough Hall cough Jarious).
Add in the fact that I don't think the coach cap has gone up in like 4 years -- at least it wasn't announced. Inflation is biting into the office side too!
Mike and Kyle just re-upped. If they did that while knowing they want a new OC, maybe all the contracts were drawn up intentionally.
Also, the 2 candidates we've heard about are Condell (out of a job) and Mike Miller (qb coach). Neither are getting top end money.
And we never get to hear about this because the CFL sucks at transparency, but the coaching cap hasn't just stayed flat all this time. They do get raises too.
Quote from: Tecno on November 27, 2025, 06:41:23 AMBut it stands to reason. Assume he's as clueless an OC as everyone here seems to think. Assume he couldn't draw up a play to save his life. Wouldn't someone like that be thrilled to accept ideas & advice from everyone? Especially when he explicitly says that's what he's doing?
Does it? I don't think Hogan is clueless as a coach but I think it's more than fair to say he was in way over his as OC. I doubt he has all the tools in his toolbox to be a competent in that role at this time, and I think that's evidenced by how consistently inept the offense was last season. There also seemed to be a lack of adjustments or changes made to address the deficiencies and issues during the season. It's a big jump from position coach to OC; the latter requires a ton of knowledge.
From what I can tell, there was a glaring lack of cohesiveness with the offense this past season - with everyone involved. I have to wonder if that's what led to Collaros and Oliveira expressing their frustration during the season.
It's just very strange how it all played out. To be clear, I don't think it's all on Hogan. The Mafia gambling on a rookie OC during a GC-hosting campaign was pretty disastrous. All three of them are accountable for that miscalculation, IMO.
As for Jackson, he was brought in to help but then he missed TC. I also never got the impression that he had much involvement or input in the overall offensive system; perhaps that was a byproduct of his missing TC. Maybe I'm completely wrong in that regard but he seemed like a bystander more than anything.
Quote from: Tecno on November 27, 2025, 06:39:39 AMThere is precedence for WFC to just dump a coord -- Boudreaux.
But what's Hogan's contract length? If he's already signed for '26 then we would have coach cap repercussions by outright firing him. And we all know we wouldn't get relief by some other team picking him up as OC!!
Hogan is on an expiring contract, so it saves MOS the grief of having to fire him, they can just let him walk out the door with his shades and backwards hat. Mirrors the Rider situation when they hired inexperienced newcomer Kelly Jeffrey as their OC in 2023 and let him walk one year later when they hired Mueller. Sometimes one year contracts serve their purpose.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 27, 2025, 01:39:34 PMDoes it? I don't think Hogan is clueless as a coach but I think it's more than fair to say he was in way over his as OC. I doubt he has all the tools in his toolbox to be a competent in that role at this time, and I think that's evidenced by how consistently inept the offense was last season. There also seemed to be a lack of adjustments or changes made to address the deficiencies and issues during the season. It's a big jump from position coach to OC; the latter requires a ton of knowledge.
From what I can tell, there was a glaring lack of cohesiveness with the offense this past season - with everyone involved. I have to wonder if that's what led to Collaros and Oliveira expressing their frustration during the season.
It's just very strange how it all played out. To be clear, I don't think it's all on Hogan. The Mafia gambling on a rookie OC during a GC-hosting campaign was pretty disastrous. All three of them are accountable for that miscalculation, IMO.
As for Jackson, he was brought in to help but then he missed TC. I also never got the impression that he had much involvement or input in the overall offensive system; perhaps that was a byproduct of his missing TC. Maybe I'm completely wrong in that regard but he seemed like a bystander more than anything.
If the ship is in peril of sinking, and the first mate does nothing to help avert the disaster because "it's not his job" he likely drowns anyway. My observation is similar to yours, Jackson is too passive an observer, only when thrown into the fire as the Elks HC in 2024 did he improve the situation and even then they did not consider retaining him the next season, they flushed the tank.
Mike is a perfectly safe name to use today. Connor, not so much.
I named my daughter Mary 28 years ago, and she has zero contemporaries named Mary...
Quote from: theaardvark on November 27, 2025, 07:00:19 PMMike is a perfectly safe name to use today. Connor, not so much.
I named my daughter Mary 28 years ago, and she has zero contemporaries named Mary...
I named my son Walter, he's the only one left!
I see on 3DN other teams are beginning to re-sign a bunch of returning players, I think the Ti-Cats have done 5 including Augustine and Ternowski. Bombers probably holding off until they sort out their OC issue.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 27, 2025, 07:26:52 PMBombers probably holding off until they sort out their OC issue.
Mafia seems to prefer signing the big $$ names first, then working on the small fry. I think maybe even KW has actually said something to that effect. It makes sense from a planning perspective -- however, no law saws you have to do it this way.
Quote from: Jesse on November 27, 2025, 10:14:09 AMMike and Kyle just re-upped. If they did that while knowing they want a new OC, maybe all the contracts were drawn up intentionally.
I would be crazy shocked if MOS/KW re-upped for less money with an eye towards a "real OC". I think they care about their pocketbook first, then winning. Kinda like Zach. And hey, nothing wrong with that. No law says you can't get paid AND win.
Quote from: Jesse on November 27, 2025, 10:14:09 AMAlso, the 2 candidates we've heard about are Condell (out of a job) and Mike Miller (qb coach). Neither are getting top end money.
Condell is a "real OC" who has done OCing like forever, for many teams. He would be no cheaper than Mueller. Plus, dose Condell still have a contract? If so he'll still get paid just to sit at home.
My crazy guess would be real OCs (like Lapo here, and Buck before he left) get $200-$350k. I bet we paid Hogan $125k. Condell will demand real pay: so double Hogan, or more.
Now, Miller, being "just a qb coach" may be a possibility for more-like-Hogan money: but if he's "just a qb coach" then who's to say he'll be any better than Hogan!! Remember my Honda/McLaren analogy -- we already ate the "year 1 pain", do we want to eat another?
Quote from: Tecno on November 28, 2025, 01:15:03 AMNow, Miller, being "just a qb coach" may be a possibility for more-like-Hogan money: but if he's "just a qb coach" then who's to say he'll be any better than Hogan!! Remember my Honda/McLaren analogy -- we already ate the "year 1 pain", do we want to eat another?
Mike Miller has been in professional coaching for over 25 years, including a fair amount of time in the NFL, including 2 years as OC. He also had a year as OC with the Als. The Argos are interviewing him for their HC position. So he has much more experience than Hogan.
Why are the same Emil's being repeated?,is it just my five year old American IPad?
Quote from: bunker on November 28, 2025, 02:14:47 AMMike Miller has been in professional coaching for over 25 years, including a fair amount of time in the NFL, including 2 years as OC. He also had a year as OC with the Als.
Ah, that changes things if he's put in some time as OC -- although only the same amount as Hogan? There must have been a reason MTL bailed, and it wasn't just because Calvillo was coming in... Still, I'm not against the idea.
Quote from: DM83 on November 28, 2025, 02:56:37 AMWhy are the same Emil's being repeated?,is it just my five year old American IPad?
I assume you mean emails? No idea why the site is sending you emails often enough to be bothersome? Start a new thread and ask the mods.
mike miller (not ours) will be the new HC of the argos as per Naylor
So Miller's out, Condell then?
Quote from: RebusRankin on December 02, 2025, 12:13:43 AMSo Miller's out, Condell then?
On a one year deal, why not? We'll see what he can do.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 02, 2025, 12:17:56 AMOn a one year deal, why not? We'll see what he can do.
Why not? Can it really get any worse?
Please please let it be Lapolice!
As long as it's not Hogan, I am OK.
Condell, Jackson or LaPolice. Heck, I will welcome back Harris.
Not a chance Lapo is our next OC—he's got too many irons in the football fire to confine himself to being OC
Quote from: dd on December 02, 2025, 05:15:56 PMNot a chance Lapo is our next OC—he's got too many irons in the football fire to confine himself to being OC
He's getting paid more for a cushy gig as an analyst, and his job isn't on the line every week depending if a team loses. Zero chance he goes back to coaching unless he loses that analyst gig, or goes mental and takes a pay cut and wants more stress in his life.
Condell as OC. Harris as RB coach. Jackson as QB coach.
I really just hope Miller being out of the picture speeds along this process. Other teams are starting to sign their FAs and we need to get our guy in place, discuss roster construction within the context of his offence, and start putting things into place before Christmas.
Quote from: Jesse on December 02, 2025, 05:45:23 PMI really just hope Miller being out of the picture speeds along this process. Other teams are starting to sign their FAs and we need to get our guy in place, discuss roster construction within the context of his offence, and start putting things into place before Christmas.
Almost 3 weeks since the GC was played and Walters hasn't used left-over 2025 SMS to re-up anyone, it's either already spent and he's waiting on the 2026 budget, or they'll announce a few signings together just before they shut down for Christmas.
Curious if they have a program to promote season ticket sales for stocking stuffers?
Quote from: VictorRomano on December 02, 2025, 05:18:56 PMHe's getting paid more for a cushy gig as an analyst, and his job isn't on the line every week depending if a team loses. Zero chance he goes back to coaching unless he loses that analyst gig, or goes mental and takes a pay cut and wants more stress in his life.
He's also the coach of the Canadian Men's flag football team which is trying to earn a berth in the Olympics.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 02, 2025, 05:57:56 PMAlmost 3 weeks since the GC was played and Walters hasn't used left-over 2025 SMS to re-up anyone, it's either already spent and he's waiting on the 2026 budget, or they'll announce a few signings together just before they shut down for Christmas.
Curious if they have a program to promote season ticket sales for stocking stuffers?
Re-signed and announced are not necessarily the same thing. Bombers tend to make announcements a little later than just after a re-signing.
Quote from: VictorRomano on December 02, 2025, 05:18:56 PMHe's getting paid more for a cushy gig as an analyst, and his job isn't on the line every week depending if a team loses. Zero chance he goes back to coaching unless he loses that analyst gig, or goes mental and takes a pay cut and wants more stress in his life.
Totally agree. He is a big deal on the TSN panel and provides the offensive insight none of the other panel members can do, and he does it with such excitement and passion. Double that down for the flag football HC gig he's got a chance to go to the Olympics, which would be a nice career accomplishment, exactly ZERO chance of him restricting himself to a high pressure, short life span OC job.
Quote from: dd on December 02, 2025, 11:21:55 PMTotally agree. He is a big deal on the TSN panel and provides the offensive insight none of the other panel members can do, and he does it with such excitement and passion. Double that down for the flag football HC gig he's got a chance to go to the Olympics, which would be a nice career accomplishment, exactly ZERO chance of him restricting himself to a high pressure, short life span OC job.
To be fair, he already left TSN before when he came back to be our OC. He wanted to be a coach.
Now, he may not feel the same way way anymore, but he's already done it once so there's obviously the chance that he would do so again under the right circumstances.
Quote from: Jesse on December 03, 2025, 12:03:12 AMTo be fair, he already left TSN before when he came back to be our OC. He wanted to be a coach.
Now, he may not feel the same way way anymore, but he's already done it once so there's obviously the chance that he would do so again under the right circumstances.
For sure, but i think the lure of the Olympics puts an OC job on hold until that gig runs its course.
Quote from: dd on December 03, 2025, 01:51:05 AMFor sure, but i think the lure of the Olympics puts an OC job on hold until that gig runs its course.
I doubt he gets paid much for that job, inevitably real economic opportunities or necessities may disrupt his plans.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 03, 2025, 02:42:46 AMI doubt he gets paid much for that job, inevitably real economic opportunities or necessities may disrupt his plans.
TSN analysts don't make much either! The panel is always laughing about their pay.
Quote from: Blue In BC on December 02, 2025, 06:15:39 PMRe-signed and announced are not necessarily the same thing. Bombers tend to make announcements a little later than just after a re-signing.
Except in this day & age of twatter, etc., it's often impossible for the players to keep their mouths (thumbs?) shut. Stuff leaks.
Quote from: Tecno on December 03, 2025, 07:03:29 AMTSN analysts don't make much either! The panel is always laughing about their pay.
He's been through the wars and maybe now he thinks of the intangibles. He lives in Ottawa and probably enjoys spending all his time with his family, except for short road trips. He has a lot of prestige doing what he is doing. Maybe he's just happy. Why ruin it with punishing hours, a temporary home and fans ready to rip you apart?
Quote from: Tecno on December 03, 2025, 07:03:29 AMTSN analysts don't make much either! The panel is always laughing about their pay.
I think there is some evidence of restraint of TSN's spending and cutbacks, often the panel consists of 3 members instead of 5 and at least 3 of them have started podcasts to generate outside income.
Are we back in the same boat as last season re offensive coordinator?
I don't see anything about new Redblacks coaching staff, or changes to their staff other than Dinwiddie. Is Condell staying there?
No other interviews here that I've read about.
And someone posted here "IF there's a change at o.c. " something like that.
Quote from: markf on December 06, 2025, 01:46:48 PMAre we back in the same boat as last season re offensive coordinator?
I don't see anything about new Redblacks coaching staff, or changes to their staff other than Dinwiddie. Is Condell staying there?
No other interviews here that I've read about.
And someone posted here "IF there's a change at o.c. " something like that.
Wondering the same thing. We seem to be last to do anything yet again.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 03, 2025, 02:42:46 AMI doubt he gets paid much for that job, inevitably real economic opportunities or necessities may disrupt his plans.
Ya, he'd be doing it for the Olympic experience and the prestige of leading his country's team into that competition.
Quote from: dd on December 06, 2025, 09:03:42 PMYa, he'd be doing it for the Olympic experience and the prestige of leading his country's team into that competition.
Is LaPo a Canadian now?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 06, 2025, 09:04:59 PMIs LaPo a Canadian now?
His kids are. Where he lives in Ottawa is roughly a 6 hour drive to New Hampshire where he was born and has family.
Quote from: Waffler on December 06, 2025, 09:14:48 PMHis kids are. Where he lives in Ottawa is roughly a 6 hour drive to New Hampshire where he was born and has family.
Geeze, even Dave Dickenson became a Canadian citizen, Paul has no valid excuse.
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Interesting... at 28:42 Darren says "Mike's gonna be sorting out the offensive staff, from the sounds of it". That's the first legit inside info I've seen slip that points to Hogan being replaced.
He worded it very carefully. I think he realized he was already letting too much slip.
Whatever they are doing, they need to get on it!
Oliviera openly criticized and was publically livid in the play calling at season end interview. Since they are in the process of signing him, I think Hogan's history
Quote from: dd on December 11, 2025, 11:22:31 PMOliviera openly criticized and was publically livid in the play calling at season end interview. Since they are in the process of signing him, I think Hogan's history
And the fact they asked to speak to Miller about their OC position... kinda gives Hogan a hint that he shouldn't be making plans past December 31.
I still don't understand where the coaches cap space will come from for a "real" OC... Maybe we'll finally get to learn what the penalty is for going "over".
I wonder what else they can do? Could Hogan stay the "OC" and we bring in legit OC's as "advisors" who basically draw up all the plays and make all the calls, and hide it outside the cap?
Quote from: Tecno on December 12, 2025, 04:31:18 PMI still don't understand where the coaches cap space will come from for a "real" OC... Maybe we'll finally get to learn what the penalty is for going "over".
I wonder what else they can do? Could Hogan stay the "OC" and we bring in legit OC's as "advisors" who basically draw up all the plays and make all the calls, and hide it outside the cap?
Say we want to sign Condell. He asks for x, but we can only offer y.
What are his alternatives?
Quote from: Jesse on December 12, 2025, 04:41:22 PMSay we want to sign Condell. He asks for x, but we can only offer y.
What are his alternatives?
He'll sit a year and wait for FA27. No way he'll work for the pittance we paid Hogan. I'm guessing Hogan didn't even pull $125k. What does a top OC make? $250-$450k? I'm sure Buck was pulling $350k+ before he left -- he's part of the reason we had to do the Hall/Younger trick.
And here's the thing, Mafia won't even offer Condell (or anyone legit) $125k because that would be insulting. So even if Condell would work for that, he'll never know. It would take Condell calling up KW saying "hey, over here, I'll work for $125k!".
I still don't understand how this will all work out. Even worse, won't we be on the hook for Hogan's OC salary for '26 anyhow under the cap retention rules? The vibe I'm getting is Brady (and maybe Zach & OL guys) are making a stink about not re-signing unless something is done about the bad play design & calling.
Mafia might be in a really tough/tight place right now. I'm not sure there's any good answer. And it's all due to the coach cap. What a stupid invention.
Quote from: Tecno on December 12, 2025, 04:52:05 PMHe'll sit a year and wait for FA27. No way he'll work for the pittance we paid Hogan. I'm guessing Hogan didn't even pull $125k. What does a top OC make? $250-$450k? I'm sure Buck was pulling $350k+ before he left -- he's part of the reason we had to do the Hall/Younger trick.
And here's the thing, Mafia won't even offer Condell (or anyone legit) $125k because that would be insulting. So even if Condell would work for that, he'll never know. It would take Condell calling up KW saying "hey, over here, I'll work for $125k!".
I still don't understand how this will all work out. Even worse, won't we be on the hook for Hogan's OC salary for '26 anyhow under the cap retention rules? The vibe I'm getting is Brady (and maybe Zach & OL guys) are making a stink about not re-signing unless something is done about the bad play design & calling.
Mafia might be in a really tough/tight place right now. I'm not sure there's any good answer. And it's all due to the coach cap. What a stupid invention.
Hogan was on a one year expiring deal, so no penalty. Total football operations budget is around $2.5 million, which includes paying for a lot of bodies when scouts and assistants are taken into consideration. It's up to Walters to budget for all positions, he's not doing his job properly if he runs out of money before he's filled all positions, if properly budgeted he shouldn't have to claw back from other staff.
Big bonus for a coordinator that moves up to HC, likely doubles his salary into $350-$400k range first year. If the opportunity is there, most will leap on it.
Honest question - where are people getting these salary #s from? I know there's spitballing going on, but even for ballpark, I've literally never heard of a leaked salary for a CFL coach so have no idea what to reference.
Quote from: blue_or_die on December 12, 2025, 07:30:12 PMHonest question - where are people getting these salary #s from? I know there's spitballing going on, but even for ballpark, I've literally never heard of a leaked salary for a CFL coach so have no idea what to reference.
They're either completely made up or they're listening to an AI overview from asking google, lol.
Quote from: blue_or_die on December 12, 2025, 07:30:12 PMHonest question - where are people getting these salary #s from?
Well, I know where I'm getting my #'s from: straight outta my butt.
You're right, no one really knows because these #'s are really never discussed or leaked.
HOWEVER, we can probably infer an OC salary from the rare leaks we get about HC and combined HC/OC (or HC/DC) salaries. I'm pretty sure guys like C.Jones had semi-accurate numbers leaked. As I recall C.Jones was $600k-ish? Figure these types of guys take a $50k haircut on each job. That would mean a normal HC is about $450k, and a OC $250k? Plus/minus $150k for each for "new/mediocre" vs "vet/great".
Yes, it would be nice if some of these #'s were published...