Win or go Home. Prepare well for this game or get ready for a golf game. It's pretty simple and hopefully the Bombers come loaded for bear - offence, defence and special teams.
We appear to be generally healthy so it means placing the right guys on the field for the most important games of the year thus far.
The Subplot...
It is the juicy subplot to a riveting and compelling matchup in Saturday's Canadian Football League Eastern Semi-Final between the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and Montreal Alouettes.
In the blue and gold corner you have the grizzled quarterback in Winnipeg's Zach Collaros — a savvy technician, a dangerous puncher and a man who has oodles of ring experience under the brightest of lights on the biggest stages with the championship belt at stake.
And standing in the bleu, blanc et rouge corner is the young contender in Davis Alexander of the Alouettes — the unbeaten fiery dual-threat pivot more than a decade the junior of Collaros and now making his first CFL playoff start.
48-Hour Primer | Eastern Semi-Final - Ed Tait
Let's go Bombers!
We've heard the same thing all year: "Bo is going to throw for 700 against this secondary", "Trevor Harris is going to shred us with no pressure", etc, etc. It hasn't happened.
I truly think Davis Alexander is about to play his worst game as a pro. He's never played against our defense and 6 of his 7 wins this year came against non play off teams.
The key to the game, as always, is limiting those game forfeiting turn overs. If Zach plays clean and Brady is able to take over the game, I don't think we'll need to score too many to take this game. We just can't give it away.
We are going to need 30 to win imo. Agree about Zach protecting the ball and Brady cooking. All on our OL imo. We win on their back.
Just watch that vacated flat or Alexander is going to torch us for first downs with his feet every snap. Maybe time for the Tre Ford / Crum spy treatment we seem good at? Should work on 1st down, but harder to do on 2nd when we pull T.Jones for more cover guys.
Plus, Alexander might not be able to scramble too many times without setting off his hammy.
On both of the lines. O has to protect ZC and the Dline has to get to Alexander early and often and throw him off his game.
Oline has to make the holes for Brady to run. Wilson also has to be ready for SY packages and the Oline has to push harder for him as I don't think he quite has the brut strength Strev has.
I think playoff experience might serve us well here.
Forecast getting worse. Gust 38k/h, 30% POP, 6 feels 2C. Could see some moments with drizzle.
I think the junkier the weather gets, the better our chances. So keep getting junkier -- I'll be well dressed. It should keep the MTL attendance down, too, and maybe shut them up a bit.
MOS will almost certainly defer if we win the toss. The wind isn't going anywhere until late.
It may even out the odds by taking their all-superstar REC corps out of the equation a bit. They are schizo at RB, changing guys a ton this season, and none are very effective. The latest, Scott, was a one-hit wonder and has been neutralized by film. Brady is a baller no matter the film.
MTL has listed as OUT: Dallaire, OL Johnson. DL Johnson is questionable and didn't practice all week. Uguak (ankle) didn't practice at all until Thu (limited) and though listed as playing may be GTD or just re-injure in-game. We could be facing a much weakened MTL DL, and that should allow for even more running and less pressure on Zach.
I don't want to hear any WPG player say "why not us?" regarding being the first to xover and make the cup. Someone did in the pressers this week (Willie?). That's the dumb saying that EDM did a few years back when they crossed over and I think made it to the EDF? It even became a TSN talking point.
Pick something else to say, don't rehash old EDM garbage, because it'll just be a curse like it was for them: "why not us" -- "because you suck".
Yay... Montreal subway/bus is going on strike starting Nov 1. I never rent a car in MTL, and still won't this time, but it will mean a lot more cabbing to places.
During game day there will be limited subway -- that should limit how many MTL fans can attend, as there really is no mass parking around there. Luckily I can just walk a few blocks.
Subway will still run on reduced hours though for commuters: 6:30 a.m. to 9:40 a.m and again from 2:45 p.m. to 5:50 p.m. So fans can probably take it home (game should end at 4pm local).
As expected, GTD for Demski...so you are saying there is a chance...
Corcoran over Clercius...guess they saw some things they liked with him or some things they didn't like with Clercius
Depth Charts.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 31, 2025, 01:23:28 PMAs expected, GTD for Demski...so you are saying there is a chance...
Corcoran over Clercius...guess they saw some things they liked with him or some things they didn't like with Clercius
There's zero mention of Corcoran/Clercius in Ed Tait's game preview. What happened there?
As for Demski, at this point, I hope he's not playing. He's clearly not ready.
No mention Mitchell either, not sure whats going on with our recievers or offense as s whole
Big loss there for MTL Johnson out, and Uguak GTD.
Considering how healthy we are, we should have no complaints.
I've convinced myself somehow that we are going to win this game, even though the money line and 3 down nation all are predicting a loss.
Hoping for a blitz early to knock Alexander out of the game.
Ok, no Griffin which surprises me but Lawson has been playing well and is healthy. Taking off Peterson doesn't sound wise.
I thought Jenkins would make the AR but we choose Munier-Bailey. We could have kept Jenkins as well, but then Lawson probably gets bumped.
Not the worst roster we've had but concern is still the health of Demski and whatever is happening with Clercius and Corcoran.
How Lawson jr is on and not Jenkins is ridiculas, another example of how OShea won't play rookies unless he's forced to. And you wonder why our young talent goes elsewhere when contracts expire.
Anderson is a very mobile qb . having the extra speed Jenkins would bring would be an asset. Also think that Petersen will be in , how do you play Demski when he can't even practice, on a hamstring injury it's just a recipe for reinjury
It's another week of the 12 steamboat defense.
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 02:47:01 PMHow Lawson jr is on and not Jenkins is ridiculas, another example of how OShea won't play rookies unless he's forced to. And you wonder why our young talent goes elsewhere when contracts expire.
Anderson is a very mobile qb . having the extra speed Jenkins would bring would be an asset. Also think that Petersen will be in , how do you play Demski when he can't even practice, on a hamstring injury it's just a recipe for reinjury
O'Shea is playing Munier-Bailey and he's a rookie so your statement is incorrect.
Lawson sees a lot of reps on defence since Griffin has been off the roster. We don't want Vaval forced into a dual role but Lawson is a better DB at the moment as well.
The Demski question is valid but it's win or go home. Giving him maximum time to not push the injury may or may not pay off. I expected a GTD but that is just semantics. I don't see a viable choice, so expect him to play.
I don't see the non practising as a specific issue per se. He knows the offence and route trees. Having said that I did wonder if that's what caused the injury after not practising when he was waiting for the birth of his child. Moot at this point.
Winnipeg Blue Bombers list Nic Demski as game-time decision for East Semi-Final
By John Hodge -October 31, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have listed Canadian receiver Nic Demski as a game-time decision for the East Semi-Final.
The five-foot-eleven, 212-pound target suffered a hamstring injury against the Edmonton Elks in Week 19, which caused him to miss the final two games of the regular season. He did not participate in practice with the club this week and was listed as doubtful on the team's final injury report.
The 31-year-old finished the season as Winnipeg's leading receiver, making 67 receptions for 1,001 yards and seven touchdowns over 16 starts at slotback.
The native of Winnipeg, Man. has caught 494 passes for 6,285 yards and 42 touchdowns over 152 regular-season CFL games as a member of the Saskatchewan Roughriders and Blue Bombers. The former first-round CFL draft pick out of the University of Manitoba has reached 1,000 yards in three straight seasons.
Winnipeg has made nine changes to their roster this week as Zach Collaros, Brady Oliveira, Ontaria Wilson, Stanley Bryant[/b], Willie Jefferson, James Vaughters, Redha Kramdi, and Trey Vaval have been moved to the active roster alongside Demski.
Those who have come off the active roster include Chris Streveler, Matthew Peterson, Cam Echols, Micah Vanterpool, Ethan Vibert, Matthew Jaworski, Kydran Jenkins, Jake Kelly, and Peyton Logan. Streveler is the only removal who is injured, as he suffered what appeared to be a serious knee injury in last week's regular-season finale.
The Blue Bombers have also made one change to their starting lineup as Joey Corcoran is listed as the starter at field-side wide receiver over Kevens Clercius.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (10-8) will visit the Montreal Alouettes (10-8) in the East Semi-Final at Percival Molson Stadium on Saturday, November 1 with kickoff slated for 2:00 p.m. EDT. The two teams met at Princess Auto Stadium in the final week of the regular season as the Blue Bombers came away with a 19-10 victory.
The weather forecast in Montreal calls for a high of 8 degrees with rain. The game will be broadcast on TSN, RDS, and CTV in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and TSN 690 in Montreal.
https://3downnation.com/2025/10/31/winnipeg-blue-bombers-list-nic-demski-as-game-time-decision-for-east-semi-final/
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 31, 2025, 02:23:57 PMOk, no Griffin which surprises me but Lawson has been playing well and is healthy. Taking off Peterson doesn't sound wise.
I thought Jenkins would make the AR but we choose Munier-Bailey. We could have kept Jenkins as well, but then Lawson probably gets bumped.
Not the worst roster we've had but concern is still the health of Demski and whatever is happening with Clercius and Corcoran.
I thought they might go with Bailey over Jenkins just because he has a better understanding of the playbook, rushing the QB is important but containing him is a high priority in Younger's defence, thus the low overall sack numbers.
As for Demski, why bother, play it straight.
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Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 02:47:01 PMHow Lawson jr is on and not Jenkins is ridiculas, another example of how OShea won't play rookies unless he's forced to. And you wonder why our young talent goes elsewhere when contracts expire.
Anderson is a very mobile qb . having the extra speed Jenkins would bring would be an asset. Also think that Petersen will be in , how do you play Demski when he can't even practice, on a hamstring injury it's just a recipe for reinjury
Is there a single example of our "young talent" going elsewhere?
Younger spoke today about how complicated our D is. So many different formations. It probably really is tough for young players to learn their assignments. And again, the D has been very successful at shutting down opponents. They are doing their job.
As for Demski, I agree. I hope we don't see him trying to tough it out.
Montreal is going with a 7 Canadians, 3 on defense, 4 on offense and they're going to use the designated rules to limit snaps by them regardless of if Ugawak plays or not. Lots of free snaps for Shawn Lemon therefore.
On the other hand, we're showing 9 starting Canadians, refusing to use the designated rule, and by this roster are affirming:
A) Corcoran, Clercius and Cobb are better than Dillon Mitchell (who would have to be rostered at the expense of Lawson Jr, Woodbey, Ayers).
B) Dexter Lawson Jr. is better than Jaworski, Jenkins and Adams, and Person.
C) The best we can come up with on defense is a interior defensive rotation of: Thomas, Lawson and Woods,
D) Vaughters and Jefferson can deliver enough pressure and contain to make a difference.
Call me skeptical.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 31, 2025, 03:34:21 PMMontreal is going with a 7 Canadians, 3 on defense, 4 on offense and they're going to use the designated rules to limit snaps by them regardless of if Ugawak plays or not. Lots of free snaps for Shawn Lemon therefore.
On the other hand, we're showing 9 starting Canadians, refusing to use the designated rule, and by this roster are affirming:
A) Corcoran, Clercius and Cobb are better than Dillon Mitchell (who would have to be rostered at the expense of Lawson Jr, Woodbey, Ayers).
B) Dexter Lawson Jr. is better than Jaworski, Jenkins and Adams, and Person.
C) The best we can come up with on defense is a interior defensive rotation of: Thomas, Lawson and Woods,
D) Vaughters and Jefferson can deliver enough pressure and contain to make a difference.
Call me skeptical.
Which if these things do you have an issue with at this time of year? Other than your view point that Canadian=bad?
Demski is hurt and Mitchell has never shown anything, unfortunately. It was an off season miss but not much to do about it now.
I would personally have rostered an extra DE over that extra DB but that's seemingly not how our defensive works with multiple substitutions across the LBs and secondary. It has been working though. Our defense has held up their end if the offence would stop turning the ball over.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 03:43:55 PMWhich if these things do you have an issue with at this time of year? Other than your view point that Canadian=bad?
Demski is hurt and Mitchell has never shown anything, unfortunately. It was an off season miss but not much to do about it now.
I would personally have rostered an extra DE over that extra DB but that's seemingly not how our defensive works with multiple substitutions across the LBs and secondary. It has been working though. Our defense has held up their end if the offence would stop turning the ball over.
It's just interesting to see how Montreal deploys their roster compared to us. Clearly they have some very different ideas than we do and for all intents and purposes are going to play about 6.5 Canadians after Lemon gets in there compared to our 9.
We'll see. Why on earth we can't start Woods instead of Thomas and go with 8 Canadians is beyond imagining but I guess he gets to drive the struggle bus right to the end no matter how bad it gets. Why we need three backup American coverage linebackers also is incredibly confusing but I guess showcasing Younger's wizardy is more important than keeping defense ends fresh and trying to hit the QB.
Shawn Lemon returns to Montreal Alouettes' lineup for East Semi-Final
By 3Down Staff -October 31, 2025
The Montreal Alouettes are bringing one of the CFL's best-ever pass rushers back into the lineup for the first round of the playoffs.
Shawn Lemon, who was re-signed by the Alouettes in July after being suspended for more than a year with a gambling violation and later banned substance infraction, will make his return to the lineup after last playing in Week 14. The 37-year-old played in five games this year, recording seven defensive tackles and a sack, but has been a healthy scratch since early September.
The move comes as defensive end Lwal Uguak is a game-time decision with an ankle issue and the Alouettes lose defensive tackle Mustafa Johnson to a shoulder injury suffered in the regular-season finale. The 26-year-old has made nine defensive tackles and two sacks in seven games this year since returning from injury. Dylan Wynn will start in his place and rookie Kori Roberson Jr. will dress as insurance.
East Division all-star receiver Tyler Snead (shoulder), right guard Donald Ventrelli (ankle), cornerback Lorenzo Burns (load management), and returner James Letcher Jr. will all be back in the lineup after sitting out the finale, while Canadian running back Sean Thomas-Erlington (neck) is returning to the fold in a backup capacity after sitting out since Week 14. Veteran offensive lineman Landon Rice will dress as a backup after being signed earlier this week.
Out for the the first round of the playoffs with injury is defensive back Ciante Evans (ankle), while receiver Alexander Hollins and offensive lineman Jesse Gibbon are healthy scratches. Defensive back Robert Kennedy III, linebacker Riley MacLeod, running back Tiyon Evans, and offensive lineman Des Holmes have been placed on the practice roster.
The Montreal Alouettes (10-8) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (10-8) in the East Semi-Final at Percival Molson Stadium on Saturday, November 1 with kickoff slated for 2:00 p.m. EDT. The two teams met at Princess Auto Stadium in the final week of the regular season as the Blue Bombers came away with a 19-10 victory.
The weather forecast in Montreal calls for a high of 8 degrees with mainly cloudy conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN, RDS, and CTV in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and TSN 690 in Montreal.
https://3downnation.com/2025/10/31/shawn-lemon-returns-to-montreal-alouettes-lineup-for-east-semi-final/
I hope Sean Lemon steps on a LEGO between now and gametime.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 03:33:59 PMIs there a single example of our "young talent" going elsewhere?
Younger spoke today about how complicated our D is. So many different formations. It probably really is tough for young players to learn their assignments. And again, the D has been very successful at shutting down opponents. They are doing their job.
As for Demski, I agree. I hope we don't see him trying to tough it out.
how about ford, Dobson. Garbutt, even Fox. As for Munier playing he isn't replacing a vet but another rookie in Person.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 31, 2025, 03:59:58 PMIt's just interesting to see how Montreal deploys their roster compared to us. Clearly they have some very different ideas than we do and for all intents and purposes are going to play about 6.5 Canadians after Lemon gets in there compared to our 9.
We'll see. Why on earth we can't start Woods instead of Thomas and go with 8 Canadians is beyond imagining but I guess he gets to drive the struggle bus right to the end no matter how bad it gets. Why we need three backup American coverage linebackers also is incredibly confusing but I guess showcasing Younger's wizardy is more important than keeping defense ends fresh and trying to hit the QB.
Ratio is not just starters, its AR spots. And listing Lawson as starter on Dline, you know, means nothing. He will be on field for run plays, Woods comes in for pass plays. You can't designate a player position as "rotation", Thomas/Woods per se.
Depending on the game calling by the Als, and the situations, Woods may get double the snaps Thomas gets, as the "backup". And listing him as an extra Nat starter give flexibility to the roster.
With 9 NAT starters, any 2 of them can be out on any play and still not affect ratio. But once we go with one or two less NATS on one side of the ball, the other side of the ball must maintain the projected number of NATS, so I can see each side dropping one Nats for certain plays.
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 04:21:39 PMhow about ford, Dobson. Garbutt, even Fox. As for Munier playing he isn't replacing a vet but another rookie in Person.
We got outbid for Ford and Dobson. Fox wasn't offered a contract.
While I was hopeful, we could somehow have Jenkins stay on the roster, it wasn't meant to be, at least we have an end in Baily to give Vaughters and Willy a few breathers. I am a bit concerned without a back-up RB, but I guess if Demski can't go Peterson could come on.....
I am worried about the offence, I just don't think it is very good overall, and either with a partial Demski or no Demski, our passing game does not look very good....Zach can't gun sling we don't have the receivers or schemes to even try. Everyone including Mtrl knows this game goes through Brady...it is going to be a slog but please, please, please Hogan do not go away from him for large patches of the game....
Quote from: theaardvark on October 31, 2025, 04:22:30 PMRatio is not just starters, its AR spots. And listing Lawson as starter on Dline, you know, means nothing. He will be on field for run plays, Woods comes in for pass plays. You can't designate a player position as "rotation", Thomas/Woods per se.
Depending on the game calling by the Als, and the situations, Woods may get double the snaps Thomas gets, as the "backup". And listing him as an extra Nat starter give flexibility to the roster.
With 9 NAT starters, any 2 of them can be out on any play and still not affect ratio. But once we go with one or two less NATS on one side of the ball, the other side of the ball must maintain the projected number of NATS, so I can see each side dropping one Nats for certain plays.
What are you talking about? None of this makes sense. Look at the depth charts. We are still dressing the maximum 19 Americans we're just choosing to start less of them than Montreal. You DO have to declare how many Canadians are on each side of the ball and that DOES have to be maintained all game regardless of injury. Lawson Jr. Is not starting at DE. You didn't even bother to read.
I am expecting a carbon copy of the same gameplans and execution we have trotted out...we won some games with it but MOS doesn't strike me as a HC who would be challenging his coordinators to come up with anything new...we have the gameplan and our "system" so just execute on the plays that are called.
We are vanilla on offense and on defense apparently it is so complex guys have a hard time learning it...
This game will be won or lost on the backs of Collaros, Castillo and our secondary
Quote from: theaardvark on October 31, 2025, 04:23:12 PMWe got outbid for Ford and Dobson. Fox wasn't offered a contract.
yeah but you look at other teams that players want to resign with, and they don't even go to free agency because their gm is proactive and they are happy where they are. Mtrl is a great example of this. most of their key guys are locked up already for the next two years. Mack, Snead and Johnson would have recieved higher offers (ie look at what Edm payed for Smith Ceresna and Brinkman)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 31, 2025, 03:23:03 PMI thought they might go with Bailey over Jenkins just because he has a better understanding of the playbook, rushing the QB is important but containing him is a high priority in Younger's defence, thus the low overall sack numbers.
As for Demski, why bother, play it straight.
Bailey is a global player so it wasn't directly an either or choice. He effectively replaces a Canadian choice. Jenkins would have to replace an import. Last week that was Person.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 31, 2025, 04:30:33 PMWhat are you talking about? None of this makes sense. Look at the depth charts. We are still dressing the maximum 19 Americans we're just choosing to start less of them than Montreal. You DO have to declare how many Canadians are on each side of the ball and that DOES have to be maintained all game regardless of injury. Lawson Jr. Is not starting at DE. You didn't even bother to read.
If you start 9 NATs, you can drop to 7 at any time, but once you drop on either side of the ball, you have to maintain that level for the rest of the game.
"Starting" Woods over Thomas makes zero difference.
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 04:21:39 PMhow about ford, Dobson. Garbutt, even Fox. As for Munier playing he isn't replacing a vet but another rookie in Person.
Ford and Dobson were starters here who left for their pay days.
Garbutt and Fox are talents? Did they leave or did we let them walk because they couldn't play their way onto the roster?
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 04:49:21 PMyeah but you look at other teams that players want to resign with, and they don't even go to free agency because their gm is proactive and they are happy where they are. Mtrl is a great example of this. most of their key guys are locked up already for the next two years. Mack, Snead and Johnson would have recieved higher offers (ie look at what Edm payed for Smith Ceresna and Brinkman)
That's not even remotely true.
The Alouettes operate within the same SMS parameters as every other team.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 31, 2025, 04:52:54 PMBailey is a global player so it wasn't directly an either or choice. He effectively replaces a Canadian choice. Jenkins would have to replace an import. Last week that was Person.
That's a possibility but i think in this case Bailey is directly replacing Persons, if they wanted to create a ratio advantage they could have dressed Adams in addition to Woods at DT. Up until this year they've always dressed 4 DT's, this year they dropped down to 3.
I am a little surprised we are sitting out Griffin. I would say that probably means Griffin still isn't 100%.
Peterson is a surprise. However, the Bombers finally gave MCI25 the ball last week and he showed his power and speed. With 3/67 yards.
Corcoran ahead of Clercius. I don't think Clercius is 100%.
Quote from: theaardvark on October 31, 2025, 05:11:13 PMIf you start 9 NATs, you can drop to 7 at any time, but once you drop on either side of the ball, you have to maintain that level for the rest of the game.
"Starting" Woods over Thomas makes zero difference.
That's not true. You declare how many Canadians are starters on each side of the ball it must equal a minimum of 7.
You then have to maintain that for the entire game. So if we declare three starters on defense, Thomas, Lawson and Kramdi, three spots will be filled with nationals ALL game long regardless of if those three get hurt, get benched, etc. it can be any three. But it's still three. We cannot go: Kramdi is hurt were only going two nationals on defense now.
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 04:49:21 PMyeah but you look at other teams that players want to resign with, and they don't even go to free agency because their gm is proactive and they are happy where they are. Mtrl is a great example of this. most of their key guys are locked up already for the next two years. Mack, Snead and Johnson would have recieved higher offers (ie look at what Edm payed for Smith Ceresna and Brinkman)
That's literally been the hallmark of our team for years.
What point are you even trying to make anymore?
that we need to change, cause what were doing is no longer providing the same results
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 07:14:38 PMthat we need to change
But the two things you've mentioned you want to change are things you made up.
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 07:14:38 PMthat we need to change
Change what?
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Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 07:17:50 PMBut the two things you've mentioned you want to change are things you made up.
What even. LOL
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 31, 2025, 07:20:17 PMChange what?
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What even. LOL
and every year we get a little weaker. Im hoping we can make it past the semifinals this year,, but now were the underdogs. Not saying that this team has done a bad job, just that our core is aging, we've lost key people that we haven't adequately replaced and it may be time to reevaluate our stance to bring us back to the elite team. Non of this is made up in fact a number of posters have also commented on this.
We need to focus on future success more rather than past.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 31, 2025, 05:34:46 PMThat's not even remotely true.
The Alouettes operate within the same SMS parameters as every other team.
You're saying its untrue that Montreal has reupped their key guys before they hit free agency?
Quote from: Pete on October 31, 2025, 07:56:40 PMand every year we get a little weaker. Im hoping we can make it past the semifinals this year,, but now were the underdogs. Not saying that this team has done a bad job, just that our core is aging, we've lost key people that we haven't adequately replaced and it may be time to reevaluate our stance to bring us back to the elite team. Non of this is made up in fact a number of posters have also commented on this.
We need to focus on future success more rather than past.
And those comments are fair. But the first thing you brought up was that our young talent always leaves because we don't play them enough. But there isn't a single instance of a player leaving due to playing time and having success elsewhere. And the second thing you said was that we should retain players before they hit FA, which is what we always do. Onteria Wilson being the most recent example.
Quote from: RebusRankin on October 31, 2025, 08:12:49 PMYou're saying its untrue that Montreal has reupped their key guys before they hit free agency?
I'm personally saying we already do this and it has been our MO for several seasons.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 08:14:58 PMI'm personally saying we already do this and it has been our MO for several seasons.
Dobson, Lawler, Ford, O'Leary Orange, Houston would indicate we don't always do this.
Bottom line, Montreal is fielding a better roster than we are.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 08:14:58 PMI'm personally saying we already do this and it has been our MO for several seasons.
Not as much as they used to, but that was before the championship run and everyone had their hand out.
Lots of roster movements listed on CFL.CA aside from the obvious added players that were parked on the 1 game IR last week and added back.
Many players shown moved to PR: Griffin, Kelly, Vanterpool, Vibert, Jenkins and Echols to name a few. Others that were on the PR mostly deleted: Gassama, Kornelson for example. OTOH, Person and Weitz remain.
I don't get why some rookies went to the PR and others went to 1 game IR. In theory all the PR players are free agents after the end of the season.
So what's the deal with Griffin and the others shifted 2 the PR? Is that a statement those players are not in the plans for 2026?
The roster doesn't show those transactions so I'm not sure if this is a paper shuffle ( and why ) or actual movement.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 31, 2025, 05:47:02 PMThat's not true. You declare how many Canadians are starters on each side of the ball it must equal a minimum of 7.
You then have to maintain that for the entire game. So if we declare three starters on defense, Thomas, Lawson and Kramdi, three spots will be filled with nationals ALL game long regardless of if those three get hurt, get benched, etc. it can be any three. But it's still three. We cannot go: Kramdi is hurt were only going two nationals on defense now.
You declare at the start what your ratio is, but you are committed to 7 total starters.
If you declare 6 on O and 3 on D to start, you do not have to finish with 6O and 3D, and at any time you drop to 5 on O, you can still drop to 2 on D, but you cannot go below 5 and 2. Or 6O and 1D, or 4O and 3D.
You can't go to 4 on O, and then back up to 5 on O, and drop to 2 on D...
But there is no way you are forced to continue with 9 NAT starters the entire game if you declare them first.
But you can't go below 7 total.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 31, 2025, 03:34:21 PMMontreal is going with a 7 Canadians, 3 on defense, 4 on offense and they're going to use the designated rules to limit snaps by them regardless of if Ugawak plays or not. Lots of free snaps for Shawn Lemon therefore.
On the other hand, we're showing 9 starting Canadians, refusing to use the designated rule, and by this roster are affirming:
A) Corcoran, Clercius and Cobb are better than Dillon Mitchell (who would have to be rostered at the expense of Lawson Jr, Woodbey, Ayers).
B) Dexter Lawson Jr. is better than Jaworski, Jenkins and Adams, and Person.
C) The best we can come up with on defense is a interior defensive rotation of: Thomas, Lawson and Woods,
D) Vaughters and Jefferson can deliver enough pressure and contain to make a difference.
Call me skeptical.
A) Yes those guys are better than Mitchell who's attitude sucks also
B) Lawson needed to help pass D as a backup and rotational guy, nothing to do with if he is better than players on the DL. Gotta shut down the pass O imo. Lawson very versatile and decent.
C) Woods is good. Lawson is decent. Thomas is reliable. Good enough
D)both beasts non issue
Call me cautiously optimistic, confident if Mr Demski can play and 75%+
All on the OL imo and ability to run ball down their throat
Quote from: The Zipp on October 31, 2025, 04:37:12 PMI am expecting a carbon copy of the same gameplans and execution we have trotted out...we won some games with it but MOS doesn't strike me as a HC who would be challenging his coordinators to come up with anything new...we have the gameplan and our "system" so just execute on the plays that are called.
We are vanilla on offense and on defense apparently it is so complex guys have a hard time learning it...
This game will be won or lost on the backs of Collaros, Castillo and our secondary
I'm expecting all coaches to have a well laid out plan based on our opponent. Our OC will struggle at times. Your suggestion in this regard is over generalizing imo.
Our D is #1 in pts allowed. It's good because its complex. Complaing about its complexity makes no sense imo. It's been our pillar of success because its unique and variable.
I disagree about you comment on MOS and our coordinators. Pure speculation with zero backing. Our defense has evolved consistently under MOS's rule. Our OC is new, learning and has had a rough time adjusting.
Game is won in the trenches. Yes Zach is key.
An incredible challenge but we got the horses if they can show up and run well Sat.
Re-signing our FA's has always been a priority, but we are also known to be frugal in those signings. And players know that for the last 5 years, post season cheques we pretty good.
When we have someone in the pipe, it means re-signing a FA looking for a payday becomes less of an issue, and that's been the case for many years. Since the departures of Rigmaiden and and Goviea, the pipe is not as full.
Hamilton bought a lot of talent this year, a lot of it from us.
We will see where each team ends up on the $SMS.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 31, 2025, 08:36:52 PMconfident if Mr Demski can play and 75%+
I don't think that's the way hamstrings work, he can run or he can't. Nothing in between. It's not a matter of pain, it's a muscle tear and if it is not 100% he will just tear it further by stressing it.
Some trash talking going on.
https://3downnation.com/2025/10/31/come-on-down-to-montreal-davis-alexander-responds-to-willie-jefferson/
Quote from: theaardvark on October 31, 2025, 08:33:34 PMYou declare at the start what your ratio is, but you are committed to 7 total starters.
If you declare 6 on O and 3 on D to start, you do not have to finish with 6O and 3D, and at any time you drop to 5 on O, you can still drop to 2 on D, but you cannot go below 5 and 2. Or 6O and 1D, or 4O and 3D.
You can't go to 4 on O, and then back up to 5 on O, and drop to 2 on D...
But there is no way you are forced to continue with 9 NAT starters the entire game if you declare them first.
But you can't go below 7 total.
No.
If you start nine because that's your choice you must keep nine and must keep them in the exact deployment of offense and defense as you specified.
Prior to the game: Each club must formally identify to the game officials and the opposing team precisely how many National players will be starting on offense and on defense. This number must adhere to the league's ratio rules (a minimum of eight National starters, one of whom may be a Nationalized American) and cannot be changed during the game.
Side note: for a whole lot of people on here who love the ratio you guys don't really know how it works very well.
Massive news: CFL announces they've suspended Alouettes defensive lineman Shawn Oakman for Saturday's Eastern Semifinal.
The league says Oakman breached its Gender-Based Violence and Harassment Policy.
above is from DT
guy needs to rot is all i will say - what he did was terrible
Quote from: theaardvark on October 31, 2025, 08:58:15 PMRe-signing our FA's has always been a priority, but we are also known to be frugal in those signings. And players know that for the last 5 years, post season cheques we pretty good.
When we have someone in the pipe, it means re-signing a FA looking for a payday becomes less of an issue, and that's been the case for many years. Since the departures of Rigmaiden and and Goviea, the pipe is not as full.
Hamilton bought a lot of talent this year, a lot of it from us.
We will see where each team ends up on the $SMS.
We pay what the player is worth. We've made Zach, Willie, Biggie, Oliveria, Kenny, and more the highest paid players at their respective positions. Hardly examples of being frugal.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 31, 2025, 10:53:01 PMMassive news: CFL announces they've suspended Alouettes defensive lineman Shawn Oakman for Saturday's Eastern Semifinal.
The league says Oakman breached its Gender-Based Violence and Harassment Policy.
above is from DT
guy needs to rot is all i will say - what he did was terrible
He can just be bounced from the league at this point.
Montreal appears to have struck gold with Davis Alexander.
When he was out, their team went on a long losing streak.
If their roster was that much better than ours, that wouldn't happen.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 10:56:19 PMHe can just be bounced from the league at this point.
he has been released, correct decision by the Als...tough timing the day before a playoff game.
Quote from: markf on October 31, 2025, 11:03:16 PMMontreal appears to have struck gold with Davis Alexander.
When he was out, their team went on a long losing streak.
If their roster was that much better than ours, that wouldn't happen.
Willie is going to eat that kid for breakfast.
I and others have been complaining that Willie just sits back and waits for the knockdown these days. That isn't happening tomorrow. He's bringing it.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 11:04:52 PMWillie is going to eat that kid for breakfast.
I and others have been complaining that Willie just sits back and waits for the knockdown these days. That isn't happening tomorrow. He's bringing it.
Last year's grey cup. He can still do it.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 11:04:52 PMWillie is going to eat that kid for breakfast.
I and others have been complaining that Willie just sits back and waits for the knockdown these days. That isn't happening tomorrow. He's bringing it.
he did during the Grey Cup - hope that he has that in him again
Quote from: The Zipp on October 31, 2025, 11:03:53 PMhe has been released
And suspended indefinitely.
Good.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 31, 2025, 11:06:33 PMhe did during the Grey Cup - hope that he has that in him again
Absolutely, he does.
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 10:55:49 PMWe pay what the player is worth. We've made Zach, Willie, Biggie, Oliveria, Kenny, and more the highest paid players at their respective positions. Hardly examples of being frugal.
Facts
We pay the stars and save money on the average guys
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 11:04:52 PMWillie is going to eat that kid for breakfast.
I and others have been complaining that Willie just sits back and waits for the knockdown these days. That isn't happening tomorrow. He's bringing it.
He tends to coast in some games, but in big games, he rises up, get em big dog!!
Als DL is severely depleted now.
No excuses now!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 12:38:04 AMAls DL is severely depleted now.
No excuses now!
It helps us for sure.
Quote from: markf on October 31, 2025, 11:03:16 PMMontreal appears to have struck gold with Davis Alexander.
When he was out, their team went on a long losing streak.
If their roster was that much better than ours, that wouldn't happen.
To be fair 34ppg with him playing, 18.8 ppg without. Small sample size though.
I posted this clip in the video link thread, but thought this was a good place for it as well....
Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2025, 11:04:52 PMWillie is going to eat that kid for breakfast.
I and others have been complaining that Willie just sits back and waits for the knockdown these days. That isn't happening tomorrow. He's bringing it.
Sorry but will have to disagree with your comments. Willie has been a passenger most of the year plus the Montreal Oline is very good. Nice to think but doubt we will see it happen.
Oakman is being replaced by Kori Roberson Jr., who was already on the active roster. To replace Oakman on the 45-man roster, the Alouettes added defensive-back Robert Kennedy III from the practice roster.
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/football/montreal-alouettes/alouettes-release-shawn-oakman-after-cfl-suspends-him-indefinitely?s=09
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 30, 2025, 11:17:01 PMWe are going to need 30 to win imo. Agree about Zach protecting the ball and Brady cooking. All on our OL imo. We win on their back.
And that is why I really do not see us coming home with the win. If we are placing our hopes on our OL I believe we are in trouble. IMHO and my opinion only this is the weakest OLine we have had in many years.
Made it to Montreal. Still raining. Apparently there is no metro at all tomorrow, not even during commuting times. I guess the union really has a hate on for the CFL!
Forecast keeps getting colder still.
The sports shop in ywg had a big section just for the grey cup, and a big normal Bombers section. Very nice, I'll see if I can post a picture tomorrow.
Stadium opens very early, and supposedly there's a tailgate too. We'll see the temp and gauge how early to go tomorrow.
Got on the plane and realized forgot my binoculars. Argh. The one thing not on my list.
Anyone know what type of store around downtown Montreal would sell binocs? Not like I want to spend 300 bucks... But...
For binoculars in downtown Montreal your best bet is the Decathlon Sports Store in the Eaton Centre Mall. They have a good range of products and prices. Eaton Centre is at 705 St. Catherines Street West (corner of McGill College Avenue and St. Catherines).
Quote from: BBRT on November 01, 2025, 03:05:02 AMAnd that is why I really do not see us coming home with the win. If we are placing our hopes on our OL I believe we are in trouble. IMHO and my opinion only this is the weakest OLine we have had in many years.
Ugh. The negativity on an annual basis continues. At least you're consistent.
BOMBERS by 10 :)
If it's raining, the field and ball will be slippery and turnovers are going to be an issue. I can't see our struggling passing game do well in this type of Esther. Hold onto and protect the ball brady and run like crazy !! This will be a low scoring game. The iffy footing will affect Vaval s ability to cut sharply, not a good thing for our return game.
Quote from: BBRT on November 01, 2025, 03:03:14 AMSorry but will have to disagree with your comments. Willie has been a passenger most of the year plus the Montreal Oline is very good. Nice to think but doubt we will see it happen.
We've seen Willie have his best games in the play-offs. And obviously him getting to the QB isn't a focus of our D, but still think he can cause havoc from time to time.
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 01:12:12 PMIf it's taking, the field and ball will be slippery and turnovers are going to be an issue. I can't see our struggling passing game do well in this type of Esther. Hold onto and protect the ball brady and run like crazy !! This will be a low scoring game.
I think it's going to be pretty low scoring regardless. Just need to grind out a couple of drives and not turn the ball over.
Quote from: Rouge2019 on November 01, 2025, 06:15:56 AMFor binoculars in downtown Montreal your best bet is the Decathlon Sports Store in the Eaton Centre Mall. They have a good range of products and prices. Eaton Centre is at 705 St. Catherines Street West (corner of McGill College Avenue and St. Catherines).
Thanks! Right down the street, I will head there shortly! I need a new set anyhow. Something with a little more zoom would be nice.
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 01, 2025, 03:04:39 AMOakman is being replaced by Kori Roberson Jr., who was already on the active roster. To replace Oakman on the 45-man roster, the Alouettes added defensive-back Robert Kennedy III from the practice roster.
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/football/montreal-alouettes/alouettes-release-shawn-oakman-after-cfl-suspends-him-indefinitely?s=09
Cudos to Mtl and their management team for immediately doing the right thing and cutting Oakman.
Quote from: Horseman on November 01, 2025, 02:01:24 PMCudos to Mtl and their management team for immediately doing the right thing and cutting Oakman.
Derek Taylor was wondering if they'd try to appeal the suspension to get him in the game. It was an indefinite suspension so the league might not have allowed it anyway, but glad it didn't come to that.
Quote from: Jesse on November 01, 2025, 01:14:02 PMI think it's going to be pretty low scoring regardless. Just need to grind out a couple of drives and not turn the ball over.
Exactly. This is not hot July, teams aren't going to be passing for 400 yds, its going to be cold, wet, miserable football, cue Guns n Roses Cold November Rain and let er rip!!
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 02:27:22 PMExactly. This is not hot July, teams aren't going to be passing for 400 yds, its going to be cold, wet, miserable football, cue Guns n Roses Cold November Rain and let er rip!!
I just don't trust our offence really (though I'm sure they got one big game in them). And I don't think the ALs will have much success against our D.
Gonna be a sloppy dog fight.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 06:17:16 AMUgh. The negativity on an annual basis continues. At least you're consistent.
Let me be fair on this one. I am a big fan of statistics and trends. I do it for a living (or did as I finally just retired). I am trying to be honest in my opinion. The data, statistics and any trending you might employ does not support a Bomber win. It is not negativity just an honest opinion based on the information available, record, statistics etc. Just look at the talent position by position and it is clear at least IMHO that the Bombers are definite underdogs and by a significant margin.
I hope I am wrong and underdogs do come out on top from time to time. I just can see any reason to be optimistic.
There is now light misting rain outside. Temp isn't too bad, though a bit of wind. Heading to Molson shortly.
Ok, the roster has been updated. Some of the transactions shown yesterday ( moved to PR ) have been corrected and now show as moved to 1 game IR.
I still question why we kept Echols and Logan on the 1 game AR instead of the PR. That may have to do with something in the CBA and keeping them around until the season is finished ( 13 players ).
OTOH, our PR is down to 3 players: Person, Adams and Weitz. Everyone else is now on the 1 game IR.
Mullet dork on tsn says we have a shot to win if Brady runs like week 12.
Too bad the world series went to fame 7 on the same day, it's really detracting from the CFL.
I haven't even seen one hint around downtown that there is even a playoff here today. No jerseys. Nothing.
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 03:45:25 PMMullet dork on tsn says we have a shot to win if Brady runs like week 12.
Too bad the world series went to fame 7 on the same day, it's really detracting from the CFL.
I haven't even seen one hint around downtown that there is even a playoff here today. No jerseys. Nothing.
Yeah, everyone's all in on the jays. It's the only merch I see outside today.
Doug Brown
Demski doing 55 yard sprints in warmup. He's playing
We'll wait officially but sounds good.
Quote from: BBRT on November 01, 2025, 03:16:51 PMLet me be fair on this one. I am a big fan of statistics and trends. I do it for a living (or did as I finally just retired). I am trying to be honest in my opinion. The data, statistics and any trending you might employ does not support a Bomber win. It is not negativity just an honest opinion based on the information available, record, statistics etc. Just look at the talent position by position and it is clear at least IMHO that the Bombers are definite underdogs and by a significant margin.
I hope I am wrong and underdogs do come out on top from time to time. I just can see any reason to be optimistic.
There's nothing wrong with pointing out our O line is the weakest in the league, as that is a fact. There's nothing negative about it. And the Bombers are underdogs, and there's nothing negative about that either, as that is a fact too. If they win, it will be a massive upset.
Mathew Peterson is dressed and warming up, Demski was out early but disappeared.
@EdTaitWFC
Nic Demski was on the field running earlier, now no sign of him @Wpg_BlueBombers
Demski was warming up without pads—doing sprints—but now isn't getting reps with equipment on with the team
from doug brown
Quote from: BBRT on November 01, 2025, 03:16:51 PMLet me be fair on this one. I am a big fan of statistics and trends. I do it for a living (or did as I finally just retired). I am trying to be honest in my opinion. The data, statistics and any trending you might employ does not support a Bomber win. It is not negativity just an honest opinion based on the information available, record, statistics etc. Just look at the talent position by position and it is clear at least IMHO that the Bombers are definite underdogs and by a significant margin.
I hope I am wrong and underdogs do come out on top from time to time. I just can see any reason to be optimistic.
But saying you're a fan of statistics and then telling us to subjectively look at the "talent" of both teams doesn't really line up.
Both teams are 10-8 and The Als picked up 8 of their 10 wins against non-play off teams. The Blue Bombes' defence led the league in offensive points allowed (21.4/game) and that mark has been even better since Labour Day (17.8/game). Brady has had a lot of success against the Als and their 6th ranked run defence. There are a lot of reasons to think we can take this game.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 04:22:48 PMDemski was warming up without pads—doing sprints—but now isn't getting reps with equipment on with the team
from doug brown
I think they knew Demski couldn't go before they left, not likely they go into the game without a backup RB, that was the clue.
no demski - shucks
Peterson is on for Demski.
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 01, 2025, 04:33:42 PMPeterson is on for Demski.
Here's hoping they find a way to use Peterson!
In seats. Rain is gone. Wind is slight but steady, but pretty big gusts. Wind seems swirling, not sure any advantage to deferring.
Stadium is very old, but quaint. Lots of concessions, lines are pretty short.
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 04:42:19 PMIn seats. Rain is gone. Wind is slight but steady, but pretty big gusts. Wind seems swirling, not sure any advantage to deferring.
Stadium is very old, but quaint. Lots of concessions, lines are pretty short.
Expected attendance 16k, sucks for a playoff game.
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 04:42:19 PMIn seats. Rain is gone. Wind is slight but steady, but pretty big gusts. Wind seems swirling, not sure any advantage to deferring.
Stadium is very old, but quaint. Lots of concessions, lines are pretty short.
keep the updates coming - great to have a set of trusted eyes at the game
must be a cfl thing to plaster a "Mobil" ad on the back of every jersey.
don't love it - wonder how much $$ that netted them
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 04:42:19 PMIn seats. Rain is gone. Wind is slight but steady, but pretty big gusts. Wind seems swirling, not sure any advantage to deferring.
Stadium is very old, but quaint. Lots of concessions, lines are pretty short.
Enjoy the game, represent us with class.
Listening to Doug Brown from CJOB and I'm with him.... I don't like Davis Alexander. Hopefully Willie Jefferson puts him in his place with his trash talking.
first playoff bomber game i have watched on tv since 2019 - don't like it
great job TSN - 3 seconds of the anthem??
TSN
wow nice start guys, what a joke. Cuts out in the middle of O Canada.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 04:59:55 PMfirst playoff bomber game i have watched on tv since 2019 - don't like it
It is nice for a change to me. :)
OKAY, LET'S GO BOMBER FANS!!!!
nobody wants you to eat your stinky tuna at work lady...go to your car and eat it
I thought they banned the blasted air horns? ::)
Oh Boy another deep play against us.
parker too slow
Late to the party Parker
We lost the toss and they took the ball. Wind will be with us in the 2nd
Terrible start Parker.
Did the whole TSN get loaded last night?
They are all off.
Good stop on D
good hold
Gambling is 40% of every commercial. What a messed up world we live in.
Hogan with BS play call to start.
Have Brady touch the ball you idiot!
Poor blocking by our receivers on that WR screen. None of our receivers are good blockers.
F this OC
2 and out.
no touch for BO
Someone go destroy Mr. NoNeck
might be the worst receiving group started in years by the Bombers
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:15:51 PMmight be the worst receiving group started in years by the Bombers
The more reason to USE BRADY
I don't know why ZC can't make these short throws, oh yeah our receivers can't get separation.
Nice job DL
WTH
Lots of after the whistle shoving happening.
See that is how a wr screen should work.
MTL executing game plan peefectly
Mtl nickle and timing us down the field.
jenkins would have had a sack
All day to throw and then a DPI
The worst defensive scheme ever. I hope we lose by 50.
oh get lost with that flag
lawson can't cover without PI
12 steamboat defence in action
Mtl WR screen goes for 10 ours goes for 2
Alexander was having a coffee in the pocket... more pressure
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 05:21:02 PMThe worst defensive scheme ever. I hope we lose by 50.
I am thinking we will lose badly but not by 50 - and why do we rush only 3 folks?
Weak DPI
WR screens all the way down the field
Quote from: Horseman on November 01, 2025, 05:21:58 PMMtl WR screen goes for 10 ours goes for 2
The Hogan effect
Not looking good right now Bomber fans.
Quote from: BBRT on November 01, 2025, 05:22:31 PMI am thinking we will lose badly but not by 50 - and why do we rush only 3 folks?
Because JY is a genius obviously.
Man our defense is going to be tired... lots of holding by Montreal
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:21:50 PMlawson can't cover without PI
12 steamboat defence in action
I can't believe Lawson is still in our secondary, he gets beaten anywhere we put him and teams know that
We don't stand a chance
Way to EZ
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI can't believe Lawson is still in our secondary, he gets beaten anywhere we put him and teams know that
If fairness he has to cover 60 yards of post route across the field one on one with no help. No one is going to do that well.
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI can't believe Lawson is still in our secondary, he gets beaten anywhere we put him and teams know that
weak link
Maybe in the end positive things will happen like firing the OC? Maybe. Let me dream.
Blarg.
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI can't believe Lawson is still in our secondary, he gets beaten anywhere we put him and teams know that
Agreed he is completely useless. Why is he still here?
Quote from: Horseman on November 01, 2025, 05:22:56 PMNot looking good right now Bomber fans.
me thinks it will worse as the game progresses. Is it time to think about next year yet?
Als appear to be far more pumped than the Bombers.
Being a bit disinterested is how some of the Bombers have seemed all season.
Ten nothing, need some sign of life from the offence.
This could get embarrassing.
great play call by the Als on that TD
Gotta score this drive
Time of possession isn't good for us. Now ZC will have to play catch up and throw some interceptions. Sorry no confidence in our OC calling/or receivers
Not a good start. Weak dpi dude forced it by stopping.
No canon here, seems kind of quiet when a td is scored.
Tons of empty seats
no pressure, where are the guys that we had last week, oh thats right, on the pr or bench
Montreal has one big play and one BS pass interference call.
Not ready to start shoveling dirt on our grave yet.
Quote from: Pete on November 01, 2025, 05:27:05 PMno pressure, where are the guys that we had last week, oh thats right, on the pr or bench
But Jake Thomas is in. He leaped heroically on the ball earlier for no reason. Thrilling stuff.
Building is half full lol
Every other coach in league challenges that DPI
Not Oshea
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 05:28:52 PMEvery other coach in league challenges that DPI
Not Oshea
I don't think he would have won that challenge
WOW, just WOW!!!
Quote from: Pete on November 01, 2025, 05:27:05 PMno pressure, where are the guys that we had last week, oh thats right, on the pr or bench
ZERO pressure
Jenkins maybe could of done something
and we take a penalty before we can even start
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 05:24:48 PMIf fairness he has to cover 60 yards of post route across the field one on one with no help. No one is going to do that well.
Evan holm can cover that all day Lawson can't that why they throw away from holm
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 05:28:52 PMEvery other coach in league challenges that DPI
Not Oshea
He saves his. Sometimes it's a game saving and good move later in the game. I think it's smart personally. Although yes, sometimes he should use them and doesn't later too.
So they decide to run the ball when it's first and 15
Not much to like about this team
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 05:30:31 PMEvan holm can cover that all day Lawson can't that why they throw away from holm
We truly need five Evan Holms to run our system. Otherwise we need a mechanism to cover for less time which up until JY came on the scene has universally been known as pressure for the last 40 years of football.
forcing to wilson
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 05:31:26 PMSo they decide to run the ball when it's first and 15
Not much to like about this team
Fire Hogan.
Need a pick six or something cause our O isn't going to do much
More Mtl WR screens coming, can't stop keep doing it.
Hogan has absolutely no clue
I hate these announcers. Might cue up CJOB soon.
easy to see mtrl gameplan , run for 5 , quick out then go long
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 05:31:57 PMWe truly need five Evan Holms to run our system.
You're right, unfortunately we only have one so Lawson is going to have a long day , Parker too
Putrid defence by #7
OL is doing fine so far but no success regardless.
Run stop is good
So we haven't found a solution for those stupid screen passes yet?
parker - whiff central
Alexander super comfortable. All day.
our D - too much bark but no bite
Hahahahaha
Why they even bothered to fly to Montreal
This team is poorly coached, schemed. Totally unprepared
FU Dustin
game is over
winnipeg is showing who they are
We're cooked.
OMG.... Coaches deserve this slaughter
Don't know about you guys but I am embarrassed, 3 possessions for Mtl = 2 TD's and 1 FG.
Hogan terrible.
JY's scheme horrible and flawed.
9 Canadian starters. 17-0 baby.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 05:34:14 PMAlexander super comfortable. All day.
Montreal just scored again. Think it is all over but the shouting. Time to move on to other things.
17-0 first quarter
We re going to get humiliated today big time
Yes, Jordan younger needs to go as well as hogan
Sidelines are right on front of me. Body language still good. No one giving up yet
Need to stop the bleeding
So, do Osh and Walters sign new contracts after this? I love Osh, but ****.
I want him back but maybe not Walters tbh.
Hey, we got our 1st 1st down on the last play of the 1st quarter.
the classic under 3 first downs in a quarter.
said this was a problem early in the season and now in the playoff game same issue.
on the coaches for not fixing this
It's not surprising the office is weak.
The defence is a surprise.
QuoteHey, we got our 1st 1st down on the last play of the 1st quarter.
YEAH OSKIE WAH WAH WEE WEE.... oh wrong team
Our offensive game plan stinks always has.
Quote from: barbk on November 01, 2025, 05:35:24 PMOMG.... Coaches deserve this slaughter
Well put
This organization cared more about lining there pockets than winning a championship this year. A total on field failure. Top on down in football ops. Walters a joke of a job, MOS loyal to all kinds of faults, Hogan epic failure, Younger does not have the personal.
This is getting painful. At least we got a fg.
throwing up prayers at this point
DPI? I mean it would be for MTL LOL
What is with the ridiculous advertising on the backs of the jerseys. Those look brutal.
Such a b.s. call on 2nd and 10.
Yes.. I wanna get drunk right now. Seems accurate. ;D
Now the D will just disintegrate...
If we can't stop Mtl from scoring on this drive, then the fat lady will be singing as the half time show.
And just as I type that "I wanna get drunk right now now now..." is played.
How many of us are thinking the same thing right at that moment...
jake thomas supervising that tackle
Quote from: JockitchwithRich on November 01, 2025, 05:43:34 PMSuch a b.s. call on 2nd and 10.
100% correct.
Hogan does not have any feel for the game.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 05:43:28 PMWhat is with the ridiculous advertising on the backs of the jerseys. Those look brutal.
Was just saying this - nice Mobil tramp stamp on both teams.
Probably another mandated stupid idea by CFL brass
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 05:43:48 PMYes.. I wanna get drunk right now. Seems accurate. ;D
My husband just told me to watch the Jets game... I guess there will be alot of resales for the Grey Cup after this display. We will be like the Rider Fans.
no picks please zach
maybe we can get some momentum going
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 01, 2025, 05:45:29 PMWas just saying this - nice Mobil tramp stamp on both teams.
Probably another mandated stupid idea by CFL brass
My friends and I have been making fun of these all game. A ****ing tramp stamp on the jerseys for the playoffs.
Hope it made them a bunch of money, I guess.
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 01, 2025, 05:45:29 PMWas just saying this - nice Mobil tramp stamp on both teams.
Probably another mandated stupid idea by CFL brass
Great we're gonna look like Formula 1 drivers soon.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:44:56 PMjake thomas supervising that tackle
...like having a coach on the field. Literally.
Might want to try to block one of their punts.
That Jet's game is sounding good right about now.
bad o line and zach has to get that to BO
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:44:56 PMjake thomas supervising that tackle
That's all he does, he doesn't get hurt doing that and everyone praises him for that
There seems to be no attempt to disguise the offensive play
Brady run, they have eight guys up there to stop it. Like it's that obvious.
It seems like that's not a new problem.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:44:56 PMjake thomas supervising that tackle
He has been doing a lot of supervising this game. How convenient.
91 free fun at the QB
Fire Hogan to 3I Atlas.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:49:49 PMbad o line and zach has to get that to BO
His release is just too slow. He was loading it up but couldn't get it out.
Is the Oline here?
Quote from: markf on November 01, 2025, 05:47:44 PMMight want to try to block one of their punts.
We dont know how to block. Oline, any of the blocking. Sad.
Quote from: Horseman on November 01, 2025, 05:49:27 PMThat Jet's game is sounding good right about now.
I have more faith in the Bombers gutting this out than I do in the Jets going on a play-off run.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 31, 2025, 04:37:12 PMI am expecting a carbon copy of the same gameplans and execution we have trotted out...we won some games with it but MOS doesn't strike me as a HC who would be challenging his coordinators to come up with anything new...we have the gameplan and our "system" so just execute on the plays that are called.
We are vanilla on offense and on defense apparently it is so complex guys have a hard time learning it...
This game will be won or lost on the backs of Collaros, Castillo and our secondary
pretty much on script...vanilla through and through
Yup we have Thomas and als have bergland that's quite the massive difference in NAT D line talent
Quote from: Jesse on November 01, 2025, 05:50:31 PMHis release is just too slow. He was loading it up but couldn't get it out.
Orr...hear me out, he had a few people blocking his vision and running towards him maybe because his Oline is AWFUL. Only Bryant is allowed back next year.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 05:52:19 PMOrr...hear me out, he had a few people blocking his vision and running towards him maybe because his Oline is AWFUL. Only Bryant is allowed back next year.
It's the same when he has time too. The OL is an issue, of course. But it's not the only one.
Dustin is terrible at play by play.
Wake up you're working on air Dustin!
Does anyone still think it's a good idea to not get pressure on the QB?
Or should we return to the fundamentals of professional football.
15 steamboat defence in action
no pressure and Davis is very accurate
>:( >:( >:(
Alexander so confident he won't get hit he can taunt the bench. Don't blame him. No one is going to get four feet from him.
Embarrassing
Well, I will start it off..."Turn out the lights, the party's over" I guess it is time to watch the Jets after all.
lions vs als grey cup in winnipeg
should be exciting
Younger on a photo taking break again.
Nice chatting with you folks... I can't stomach watching Alexander anymore. Watching the Jets game. Sorry Tecno, stay safe in Montreal
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:56:26 PM15 steamboat defence in action
no pressure and Davis is very accurate
Does Skip deliver blitzes?
well if were gonna lose. might as well be get blasted out. only way we will see some changes. To come put so flat and obviously outcoached is embarrassing
Chase is warming up. I don't see Zach
fire MOS and offer the job to Cavillo
Quote from: barbk on November 01, 2025, 05:57:54 PMNice chatting with you folks... I can't stomach watching Alexander anymore. Watching the Jets game. Sorry Tecno, stay safe in Montreal
Really? Not even halftime.
Now I see Zach.
MILLER, CAN YOU HEAR US?
I for one am done with this charade of ********.
There will be more....
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 05:58:25 PMChase is warming up. I don't see Zach
he did take a shot to his head
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:58:28 PMfire MOS and offer the job to Cavillo
Uhhh no. MOS doesn't call the plays.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 05:57:36 PMlions vs als grey cup in winnipeg
should be exciting
Hope so, anyone but Sask, please!!!!!!
THIS IS ***** GAME OVER!
Jets game starts in 5 minutes.
I'm seeing a lot of disinterest from the players.
Somethings wrong with the team is was never like that.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 05:56:24 PMDoes anyone still think it's a good idea to not get pressure on the QB?
Or should we return to the fundamentals of professional football.
We have an incompetent DC and an incompetent OC, we are getting EXACTLY what we deserve
I hope they hang a total beating on us as this unit needs to go
Reminding me of 68-7 1995
We all know what happened after that
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 05:59:38 PMUhhh no. MOS doesn't call the plays.
he is the head coach, he hired hogan, his team is not prepared
Vaval consistently gets us the 40-50 yard line on returns, the only bright spot so far
O'Shea created this mess by being too insulted and too loyal. He needs to fix it.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 05:59:38 PMUhhh no. MOS doesn't call the plays.
I don't he has done much of anything this year.
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 06:00:15 PMReminding me of 68-7 1995 (tel:68-7%201995)
We all know what happened after that
Exactly what I was thinking. Coach Cals last game.....
and now a turnover. We are done.
I agree - if we have to lose, lose huge so there will have to be changes.
That was a good strip by their D. Full credit.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 06:01:52 PMO'Shea created this mess by being too insulted and too loyal. He needs to fix it.
Or let go.
ZACH! WTH are you doing?
Look at your useless paper MOS, this is a disgrace. No don't need another contract here.
zach with a turnover at the end of the half
team is not ready
Now ZC fumbles again, time to move on from ZC in the off season, we should be done with him. we would be stupid to pay him any salary next year.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 06:03:16 PMThat was a good strip by their D. Full credit.
Zach is like here is the ball, you want it? :D
I can't wait to hear what Blue Bomber management has to say about our performance in this game and the overall result for the season. Wade Miller is a proud man. I'm expecting a heart-felt apology to the faithful fans and an end to the bizarre experiments in personnel. The last five years have been great but that ship has sailed and massive changes better be coming in the off-season.
The entirety of the coaching staff should be let go by tomorrow before breakfast. Keeping any of them will only draw out the rebuild.
Put Chase in. Worst case scenario he has a storybook comeback
Bergland causes the fumble and then recovers it, now THATS what I d like to see from our NAT D lineman !! We can't get a tackle out of them in 10 games
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 06:03:32 PMzach with a turnover at the end of the half
team is not ready
They are pro athletes. They shouldn't need a coach to rah rah them. Honestly. I'm sure they'll get blasted at the half.
I am watching until the half then joining Barb at the Jets game.
we bring in two new de's and then we proceed to run thomas out, with vaughters not even close to applying pressure and willies only move left is to wave his hands around.
I dont care if we do nothing else.. just someone take a big hit on ALexander. Jefferson had a chance there to hit him and just waltzed in
Heads need to roll this off-season. MOS, Hogan and Younger.
Cal I'll and Maas have found a lot of holes in the bomber defence. It doesn't usually look this bad even with no pressure.
Kramdi looks disconsolate.
The fact that the bombers changed absolutely nothing for this game is strange.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 06:05:17 PMThey are pro athletes. They shouldn't need a coach to rah rah them. Honestly. I'm sure they'll get blasted at the half.
i am sure they will not get blasted
MOS doesn't blast - he just loves the effort they put in every day at practice
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
I am going to do this now because I am putting on the Jets game at halftime.
Good-Vaval had a nice return
-the Bombers had a good run of 5 years in a row in the Grey Cup
Bad-Parker chokes in a playoff game again
-Olivera barely used in first half
-no pass rush
Ugly-the score
At this stage, Montreal doesnt even need Alexander to play at the second half.
I'm off to the Jets game.
This Bomber squad is beyond pathetic.
MOS should be complete ashamed of himself.
First pressure and it works. Lol.
Hey look a defensive stop. How novel.
I wish O'Shea will be the next HC of the RedBlacks.
2-0 jets
Wait a minute...Que the comeback! LOL
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 06:10:46 PMI wish O'Shea will be the next HC of the RedBlacks.
He'd be stupid not to take that gig. He'd have at least three years to prove he doesn't have it anymore
has collaros never heard of throwing it away?
perfect end to the half
According to the clock right in front of me we got that snap off on time. No idea what the ref was looking at.
call a timeout.
just a joke of coaching there
Alexander looks like an idiot on the sidelines.
Good Luck in the 2nd half for those of you staying put, I'm out to the Jets game. Talk with you all next year, have a great winter everyone.
The team is old. Too many old players.
I can't understand why the coaches didn't try something different for this game.
tell me again why we dont go max protection ?
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 06:16:04 PMAlexander looks like an idiot on the sidelines.
Ya exactly show some class you punk!!
He can run by our bench and taunt us and nobody responds. I d gladly take a 15 yd rtp the next series and somebody smoke this guy!! And I mean smoke him
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 06:15:23 PMAccording to the clock right in front of me we got that snap off on time. No idea what the ref was looking at.
Well Maas was sure yelling at them so I'm guessing the ref was watching him
Another Jason Hogan Classic. If Alexander can throw long passes at will,we might as well rush five guys and make him pay. Go BC.
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 06:20:31 PMYa exactly show some class you punk!!
He can run by our bench and taunt us and nobody responds. I d gladly take a 15 yd rtp the next series and somebody smoke this guy!! And I mean smoke him
He might be an ahole, but right now I'd have that guy under centre on our team than playing against us.
Pathetic. The bend but don't break, broke before it hit the field.
Let the blood letting and re-build start at half time in the dressing room.
Our receivers are not good enough and with Demski out, that doesn't help. OL can't block and now our run game is effectively out the window.
So many thoughts I don't know where to start on problems that were obvious going into TC and once the roster was declared.
I guess I'll cheer for the Lions in the other game although they are a bit arrogant for my liking.
Honestly suprised Oshea even went for it.
His emotionless coaching philosophy has completely been taken in by his players.
This team needs a major wake up call
We are showing that we have the worst offense in the league. no matter who's at qb. And it starts with our OC.
This whole offense hasnt been on the same page all year.
Not the start to a game I came 2000k for... But it's not over yet. Guys still look stoked on the sidelines.
Too many mistakes. Some penalties. We are losing the physicality battle. Except Tony Jones, he's killing it.
Need some sparks. But Montreal will go prevent soon. But Then there will be no turnovers.
Wind still gusting at times, from the forest side towards the university buildings.
I guess we'll get the ball to start 2nd half. Not sure why you'd defer.
Vaval has to bust one, in addition to that great return earlier
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 01, 2025, 06:25:01 PMPathetic. The bend but don't break, broke before it hit the field.
Let the blood letting and re-build start at half time in the dressing room.
Our receivers are not good enough and with Demski out, that doesn't help. OL can't block and now our run game is effectively out the window.
So many thoughts I don't know where to start on problems that were obvious going into TC and once the roster was declared.
I guess I'll cheer for the Lions in the other game although they are a bit arrogant for my liking.
Zach is too slow, a second behind on every play, two rushers coming at him and he doesn't react plus he drops the ball on the way down.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 06:15:43 PMcall a timeout.
just a joke of coaching there
No more timeout.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 01, 2025, 06:31:14 PMZach is too slow, a second behind on every play, two rushers coming at him and he doesn't react plus he drops the ball on the way down.
He also seems to leave the pocket when there's still time. Antsy.
Looking for hogans "adjustments" second half.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 01, 2025, 06:31:14 PMZach is too slow, a second behind on every play, two rushers coming at him and he doesn't react plus he drops the ball on the way down.
Ya he looks old , slow and old.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 01, 2025, 06:31:14 PMZach is too slow, a second behind on every play, two rushers coming at him and he doesn't react plus he drops the ball on the way down.
How does he have 2 coming unimpeded straight for him on some plays?! I agree he's a bit slow lately, but that is going to be tough on any qb. Sure isn't protecting the ball either.
After the game we need to send thank you card to Jason Hogan for helping the Monteal Aloettes.
The whole Offense was shocked they were going for it on 3rd
Hogan is lost not knowing what to call
We are Slow as mollases on a normal play and it showed on that play when it counted
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 06:35:47 PMThe whole Offense was shocked they were going for it on 3rd
Hogan is lost not knowing what to call
We are Slow as mollases on a normal play and it showed on that play when it counted
MOS called to go for it on the 3rd.
Challenge by MTL. I think they will give it to them.
They could not reverse that one.
very strange challenge to try
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 06:37:20 PMMOS called to go for it on the 3rd.
I know. By the time the play clock was blown in. He half *** says go for it
No urgency. No nothing
Should have told coaches ahead of time we are going on 3 here. Bw ready
What a boneheaded challenge by Maas
Momentum switches to bombers
oh come on he was in..
again odd challenge
Stupid challenge by Maas
Now for our patented SY package
Bonehead challenge by MOS. Technically you have 2 more tries to get a TD.
Wasted a timeout. Maas says thank you.
stupid challenge by MOS - not going to overrule
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 06:41:20 PMBonehead challenge by MOS. Technically you have 2 more tries to get a TD.
Agreed - not going to get the reversal.
Stupid Oshea challenge
***
Not in that time. Why didn't we use BO?
Edit.. phew.
scary terry
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 06:42:34 PMNot in that time. Why didn't we BO?
Because Hogan has no clue.
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 06:40:05 PMWhat a boneheaded challenge by Maas
Momentum switches to bombers
Not to be out done on stupid challenges mos calls one of his own!!
For all those who think Wilson is a better short yardage qb than streveler, think again
Missed face mask
Pathetic short yardage offence from Bombers as usual
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 06:30:31 PMNot the start to a game I came 2000k for... But it's not over yet. Guys still look stoked on the sidelines.
Too many mistakes. Some penalties. We are losing the physicality battle. Except Tony Jones, he's killing it.
Need some sparks. But Montreal will go prevent soon. But Then there will be no turnovers.
Wind still gusting at times, from the forest side towards the university buildings.
I guess we'll get the ball to start 2nd half. Not sure why you'd defer.
Vaval has to bust one, in addition to that great return earlier
Why? Sports gambling. That is why.
Still should have used BO.
hope we don't need that challenge later on
Big series coming up
We ve got to shut mouthy Alexander down!!
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 06:44:48 PMBig series coming up
We ve got to shut mouthy Alexander down!!
Better yet smack him in the mouth. Figuratively speaking of course - a massive, hard, high speed sack would be good.
need a turnover so bad here
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 06:46:42 PMneed a turnover so bad here
Or a stop. As long as they don't score.
woodbury get yourself under control
A 2 and out or a turnover.
Not sure what Woodbey could've done there - he's being cut-blocked, unsuccessfully, and then being held at the feet and not able to get free.
Turnover it is!!
Mike O'Shea and/or Kyle Walters need to learn that undying loyalty to the veteran players produces what you've seen here today and for much of this season.
As much as I dislike the arrogant one, Wally Buono was right to upgrade his personnel when he saw they were past their prime. He would have moved on from half this team years ago. You'll never find the next star player hanging onto old vets hoping to squeeze another good season out of them.
Pro sports is about winning now not sitting around with old vets drinking brewskis and singing kumbaya after getting your teeth kicked in and disappointing your fan base.
Nice job Woodbey
Idiot
PICK!
Allen
Atta boy
Allen likes playing catch.
OMG...so good Pokey!! ZC with a bomb! Take that ZC haters!!
nice throw - glad he scored
Omggggg it's a game!
Gotta game now
Still fire everybody though
Ok
Now we are talking!
TOUCHDOWN
Hope every Bomber players are fired up now.
I retract my prior comments. 😉
Also p.i. On Montreal on the td not called, grabbed his arm
Here we go! I hope others are coming back from the Jets - not criticizing them at all, just hope no one misses this.
My daughter called me to switch LOL My husband said don't do it
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 06:49:42 PMNice job Woodbey
Idiot
Again, what's he supposed to do when there's an attempt to injure, and then hanging on to his feet to neutralize him. Of course he's going to try to push him off.
Wake up Holm. Geezus
Good play
Evan Holm!! Did he have control?? I think he had it long enough.
Let's goooo!
FUMBLE
get rid of those goalposts
PI all day Brady time
Calm down Dustin you fool
Our first lead of the game!!!
😂
Defence woke up.
This is wild!
Well eff me
PI
On the 1 yard line
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 06:57:01 PMget rid of those goalposts
Remember a similar play likely led to us ending our Grey Cup drought.
The crossbar hit was a sure td. Had him wide open and not overthrown
Fans here are losing heart and really miffed with the refs
Welcome back haters.
Loving this!! What a momentum shift. Look at the D chasing Alexander. So good.
back to the 12 steamboat defence
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 07:01:35 PMLoving this!! What a momentum shift. Look at the D chasing Alexander. So good.
Still want someone to hit him real hard - preferably Willie!
allen screwed up so bad
Take the momentum back Bombers with another offensive TD
letting them convert that 2nd and 10 at the start of the drive. they had them on their heels
Time to get Brady more involved...
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:05:19 PMletting them convert that 2nd and 10 at the start of the drive. they had them on their heels
Looks like Younger is taking a holiday.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 07:07:32 PMTime to get Brady more involved...
should have run him again on 2nd and 5
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 07:08:08 PMLooks like Younger is taking a holiday.
took the Oline with him
Throwing old man Zach. RUN. THE. BALL..2nd and short
So stupid.
zach likes his blanket on the sidelines
Younger reinventing Tony Jones to make him useless
Quote from: markf on November 01, 2025, 07:10:18 PMCmon man the team looked dead.
Agreed to team looked like death!
Run it on 2nd and 6 already
19875 attendance announced
Watch that hammy Alexander
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:11:05 PMzach likes his blanket on the sidelines
It's 6 and overcast, I would too. Why do you pick on him so much?
We need a sack if there lives depend on it.
Davis Alexander muscle shirt interview... 🤡
Our secondary is blind.
Younger WTFU
Quote from: markf on November 01, 2025, 07:13:51 PMDavis Alexander muscle shirt interview... 🤡
GID dam hillbilly LOL
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 07:12:19 PMIt's 6 and overcast, I would too. Why do you pick on him so much?
i don't pick on him - just an observation
Good stop on D
Vaval needs to break one.
Sad to see an almost empty stadium... this being a playoff game
Hogan
Can we please feature Brady on this drive....
Neufeld hurt or hooked?
That's it Brady RUN for your playoff life
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Brady time!
Lots of pacing on the mtl sideline. They're antsy. Also way more warm up capes on them too.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 07:17:59 PMYeah Yeah Yeah
Brady time!
I wish they wouldn't save him, but break him loose!
Was that Sterns first catch?
Corcoran .. having a good game.
Here we go boys!
wilson zigged when he should have zagged
Those frighin horns are brutal
Wilson meh
BRADY TIME
run the ball on 2nd and 4
Do refs help up Bombers as well?
2nd and 4 and still you don't run the ball
I hate this OC
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 07:22:52 PM2nd and 4 and still you don't run the ball
I hate this OC
Exactly!
Ye
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 01, 2025, 07:22:39 PMDo refs help up Bombers as well?
Yes... he helped up Colloras
Quote from: barbk on November 01, 2025, 07:23:45 PMYeYes... he helped up Colloras
Okay thanks - I don't think I've ever seen that before.
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 01, 2025, 07:22:39 PMDo refs help up Bombers as well?
Ya, refs shouldn't be helping any player up their job is to officiate games not help people up and take their eyes off of what's going on especially after the ball goes dead
FU TSN
You jerks!
Come on D!
vaval time
2 and out
Well done
Frick Brady fumbled
brady with the cough
brutal
Oh Brady....
Dammit Brady
Noo
Ugh...Come on Brady
Come on D only give them a FG on turnover
I don't know how a 250k rb coughs up the ball in a playoff.
Watch how Ouellette protects the ball.
Facemask UGH
Montreal Fans thought this was a touch football game.
Flags?? cmon. that was not a facemask
Edit..it barely was but I guess it was.
he did facemask him
Holy **** was a **** call
That was a joke - incidental contact on the facemask is major foul now? Didn't pull him down with it.
Defense is hot garbage for pretty much this whole game.
Two or three good series.
2ns and 4 they run the ball
great concept
Shouldn't there have been a whistle?
Maybe play to the whistle?!
That was bogus. Forward progress was clearly stopped and fully wrapped up.
I'm with Ford.... D thought it should have been whistled down
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 07:33:18 PMDefense is hot garbage for pretty much this whole game.
Two or three good series.
Younger with literally his has in his pockets does not seemed concerned about nothing.
Try coaching buddy like Thorpe.
Games not over but Brady and willie may have just cost us on this epic comeback
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 07:34:57 PMGames not over but Brady and willie may have just cost us on this epic comeback
truth - playoff winning teams don't make those mistakes
Let down by O'Shea's veterans at the worst time is the theme so far.
CFL refereeing is a joke
Oh I agree it should've been whistled down. But who peels off the play because a whistle SHOULD be blown, and not keep playing until it is?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 07:36:04 PMLet down by O'Shea's veterans at the worst time is the theme so far.
It's true
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 07:34:57 PMGames not over but Brady and willie may have just cost us on this epic comeback
And they are vets and leaders of our team.... what a catch from Wheatfall
Zach is back!!
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 01, 2025, 07:36:30 PMOh I agree it should've been whistled down. But who peels off the play because a whistle SHOULD be blown, and not keep playing until it is?
Can't blame the players for sure.
OHH myyy what a beauty throw!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 07:36:20 PMCFL refereeing is a joke
Yes it is unfortunately always has been always will be
At least Wallace didn't fumble LOL
ZC has showed up
brady and willie big mistakes
What is Proulx doing on the sidelines in a black hood?
Those FECKIN horns
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:38:13 PMZC has showed up
brady and willie big mistakes
Sergio full marks as well.
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 01, 2025, 07:38:34 PMWhat is Proulx doing on the sidelines in a black hood?
it's an all star crew with only 2 games
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 07:37:48 PMYes it is unfortunately always has been always will be
I think more so because Proulx appears to be on the sidelines consulting - he was interacting with refs/coaches, and not just an observation role.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 07:39:50 PMThose FECKIN horns
Did they hand them out to the first so many that showed up? Annoying.
HIt em..hit em hard!!
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:41:14 PMit's an all star crew with only 2 games
If you wanna call it that.
The D is just getting shredded aside from a couple turnovers.
some conservative play calling by montreal
That should be an ejection. Dwayne Ford is such an idiot
Great field position to start here...
Don't defend that Ford
Seriously - how do you defend an intent to injure Vaval with a forearm to the head after he's down? Ford is stupid.
When do we try to go for it on 3rd? Hmm
terrible two and out
This would be a good time for an INT
Well it is do or die...
pressure is just too slow - someone is going to be open
Bombers playing it cool. All the angst is on the Montreal side. Next score probably wins. Need a stop.
No neck has all day to scan the field.
Younger, you suck.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 07:46:39 PMWhen do we try to go for it on 3rd? Hmm
Next series
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:48:21 PMpressure is just too slow - someone is going to be open
Did we blitz at all, all game?
Thanks Scianatti pfft
Man the defense was absolutely demolished today.
Younger sucks. 550 yards of offense and counting.
This scheme is 1-2 in the playoffs and a few games above .500 over two seasons.
argggg. such bad coverage.
willie not even on the field -
kyries whiff - his only job was to stop that play and he failed
Luv that 3 man rush by the bombers!!!
That should be game.
Another Wiff by a vet player Kyrie Wilson... game over now... at least it wasn't a slaughter
we are stevie's toy today
Wow - no one knows how to tackle anymore
Can't tackle to save the season.
All these coaches. They can all go away. I've seen enough of them all.
Done that's the nail.
Bombers werent expected to win this game anyways
Well, it's been fun. :(
I blame Walters for not getting the talent we needed to take a run at the GC He's been suspiciously quiet this year.
Way to use your best weapon 8 carries.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 07:53:30 PMWell, it's been fun. :(
I blame Walters for not getting the talent we needed to take a run at the GC He's been suspiciously quiet this year.
O'Shea also cut half the guys he brought in and insisted the old guard could get it done.
They couldn't.
I won't be listening to post game comments.... same excuses blah blah blah
Wally Bouno always knew when to get rid/replace a player or when it was time to do so....sadly Bombers dont....
Yeah the unfortunate part of almost coming back is it could cover a season of mistakes.
kyrie has screwed up in a number of grey cip loses and now this game
willie not on the field on a big second down
brady fumble
willie facemask
bad play calling again!!
an entire quarter of no offense - happened almost every game. we play 3 quarters of offense and expect to win games - been that way all year
A fitting loss. Exemplifies the failures of the entire season. Complete overhaul next year or else it will be a decade long rebuild. Thanks for everything Zach, MOS, Younger, Willie, Bryant, Neufeld, Streveler, et al, but your services are no longer required.
Oh, and Hogan - you suck. Unfathomly hard.
GO JETS GO
We lost this game in the off-season and our choices in training camp.
That sums it up! I hate it to end like that.
I think no head should be safe this off-season starting from HC except Brady, Demski (hopefully they come back) and Vaval.
Jake Thomas was credited with a (1) tackle today.
His best game since the Banjo Bowl. He can go out on top now.
wade gonna be so mad
Rooting for Hamilton now. Hope they can end their GC drought in expense of the Riders.
Weap
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 07:54:26 PMWay to use your best weapon 8 carries.
Weapon fumbled at worst possible time
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 07:58:39 PMWe lost this game in the off-season and our choices in training camp.
Pretty much lost it in Free agency when we lose 3 all stars and replace them with plumbers. We still Need to replace Dobson, lawler and ford and get some D lineman studs.
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 08:04:14 PMWeapWeapon fumbled at worst possible time
Yeah but still. 8 carries is a joke.
Oliveira isn't worth $250,000.
Too much money going to too many players who didn't make a difference.
Our best players were on ELCs or cheap contracts.
Can't win like that.
MTL 2nd and 5 with minute left and we rush 3 with MTL showing empty back field
Ridiculous
Quote from: BlueInCgy on November 01, 2025, 07:58:08 PMA fitting loss. Exemplifies the failures of the entire season. Complete overhaul next year or else it will be a decade long rebuild. Thanks for everything Zach, MOS, Younger, Willie, Bryant, Neufeld, Streveler, et al, but your services are no longer required.
Oh, and Hogan - you suck. Unfathomly hard.
I do believe there will be some major changes in the off season. And IMHO I blame Walters for the majority of issues we have. He did not find replacement talent for the talent we lost and the talent he did bring he was just not good enough. Also we have way too many players that are way past their best before dates
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:54:57 PMjust a joke
And what is Brady's contract status? Isn't he a UFA?
I could seen him looking elsewhere after the way he was mis-used this season.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:58:00 PMkyrie has screwed up in a number of grey cip loses and now this game
willie not on the field on a big second down
brady fumble
willie facemask
bad play calling again!!
an entire quarter of no offense - happened almost every game. we play 3 quarters of offense and expect to win games - been that way all year
That sums it up pretty well.
Brady fumble and Willie face mask sealed the deal for the Als.
By in large the defence cost us the game although they had 2 good turnovers. However they gave up 550+ yards and that by any definition is pure horse crap.
There have been many concerns about talent level being not good enough and that showed today. 4 plays 39 yards or longer and that early PI.
It's time to move on from Jefferson as the starting point of the re-build. He's expensive and was in coast mode all year.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 08:05:47 PMOliveira isn't worth $250,000.
Too much money going to too many players who didn't make a difference.
Our best players were on ELCs or cheap contracts.
Can't win like that.
He was the best player in the entire league last year. 2nd best player on the team this year. Not relying on him today was stupid.
550+ yards against LOL
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 08:09:00 PMMTL 2nd and 5 with minute left and we rush 3 with MTL showing empty back field
Ridiculous
Yah Younger isn't re-inventing the wheel, play it 4 up or get lost. Bombers found a few good D-linemen this season, take advantage of their talent and make use of them.
Agree.
O'Shea in full circle. Started with dud coordinators and might end with dud coordinators.
Quote from: Ducky on November 01, 2025, 08:12:38 PM550+ yards against LOL
crazy and outrushed us by 133 yards
younger and hogan should be fired on monday or right after the grey cup (i think cfl frowns on big moves during playoffs)
Whats so frustrating is that we went into this grey cup the same way we approached the season, in a passive nonaggressive manner. We knew what the weaknesses were ie the defensive line, and the offensive line. We tried to put band aids on them and in the end it resulted in a 4th place finish and a playoff exit. (that we were still starting JT in the playoffs says a lot)
To take this approach in a grey cup hosting year is sad, and thats how I'm feeling
Quote from: Ducky on November 01, 2025, 08:12:11 PMHe was the best player in the entire league last year. 2nd best player on the team this year. Not relying on him today was stupid.
Hogan sucks but you can't blame him for calling passing plays down 25-6.
The deep ball got us back in the game.
Running backs are not worth what we pay Oliveira. He's not the only one though.
Quote from: Ducky on November 01, 2025, 08:10:34 PMAnd what is Brady's contract status? Isn't he a UFA?
I could seen him looking elsewhere after the way he was mis-used this season.
For sure this will come up in contract negotiations and money says Brady will insist there is a change at OC. Our playbook used to be run heavy, not so much this season
But then again, your allstar Rb coughs up a major fumble that cost us the game
The defensive game strategy has been a question all season. QB's have had too long to throw and it has always come back to bite us. Roster choices have been a puzzle. Someone one want to explain Ayers on the roster instead of any unnamed DL we didn't pick up this season? Somehow he managed a DT but no ST's today.
It's going to be a long off season. AGAIN. Our potential free agent list will approach 25 - 30 AGAIN.
IMO, I'd be releasing some players we don't want back rather than just letting them reach free agency. It's sends a message which needs to be sent.
We've been hard on Hogan. Rightfully so. However, he didn't build the roster. Walters has a lot to answer for and I don't think we've heard much from him this year.
Quote from: Ducky on November 01, 2025, 08:12:11 PMHe was the best player in the entire league last year. 2nd best player on the team this year. Not relying on him today was stupid.
We were down by so much so early that it took us out of using him more. All that said, he's over paid but that's the nature of the ratio and starters that are Canadians. I don't dispute he's one of the best if not the best, but SMS is cumulative across the roster.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 01, 2025, 08:21:06 PMThe defensive game strategy has been a question all season. QB's have had too long to throw and it has always come back to bite us. Roster choices have been a puzzle. Someone one want to explain Ayers on the roster instead of any unnamed DL we didn't pick up this season? Somehow he managed a DT but no ST's today.
It's going to be a long off season. AGAIN. Our potential free agent list will approach 25 - 30 AGAIN.
IMO, I'd be releasing some players we don't want back rather than just letting them reach free agency. It's sends a message which needs to be sent.
We've been hard on Hogan. Rightfully so. However, he didn't build the roster. Walters has a lot to answer for and I don't think we've heard much from him this year.
Yes. He and the scouts are in charge of who is coming in. Sure, Osh defines who is on the roster, but he doesn't control who they find.
I also mentioned that earlier. Is he making his way out of the club? I could see him going elsewhere. I don't know but for someone who should be very involved he doesn't seem to have been.
Brady is NOT overpaid. It just feels like it because we lost. When you are the star RB of the league and have won awards, you are not overpaid.
Ya we got behind today so we didn't use bo but we didn't use him in a lot of games
We need a new OC plain and simple.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 01, 2025, 08:21:06 PMThe defensive game strategy has been a question all season. QB's have had too long to throw and it has always come back to bite us. Roster choices have been a puzzle. Someone one want to explain Ayers on the roster instead of any unnamed DL we didn't pick up this season? Somehow he managed a DT but no ST's today.
Bailey dressed, did anyone see him?
Zach just said he'll be back on CJOB. wooo! Now who's the backup?
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 08:35:59 PMZach just said he'll be back on CJOB. wooo! Now who's the backup?
With any luck, Crum.
every playoff game we've lost in the last 4 years has seen our running game completely shut down and by scheme or our refusal to stay with it. We know what the other team will do yet we seem helpless to counter it. all use the same blueprint.
I've said all year we don't game plan effectively and this is the latest example of ineffective preparation and coaching
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 01, 2025, 08:40:39 PMWith any luck, Crum.
That's who I'd be going after too. He has a chance to improve and maybe #1 in a year or so . I m sure he's tired of losing in Ottawa
So, Wilson clearly open in the EZ and "doink"...
But lets not change the goal posts...
If Zach is back it needs to be for ~450,000. He's no where near a top QB anymore and we can't pay him like one.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 01, 2025, 08:47:29 PMSo, Wilson clearly open in the EZ and "doink"...
But lets not change the goal posts...
They can't move them soon enough!!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 08:49:29 PMIf Zach is back it needs to be for ~450,000. He's no where near a top QB anymore and we can't pay him like one.
Ya he's a middle of the road qb now and his stats reflect that, his pay cheque should as well
Apparently only 10 people can competently play CFL QB. Zach, with all his faults is one of those guys.
Give him some help and a OC who isn't pathetic and he has another year in him. 450k vs 550k is irrelevant
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 08:04:57 PMYeah but still. 8 carries is a joke.
Isn't BO20 a Free agent again this year??
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 08:18:19 PMFor sure this will come up in contract negotiations and money says Brady will insist there is a change at OC. Our playbook used to be run heavy, not so much this season
But then again, your allstar Rb coughs up a major fumble that cost us the game
Its funny, becasue the OC was Brady's RB coach when he had his best season...
Quote from: Pigskin on November 01, 2025, 09:09:22 PMIsn't BO20 a Free agent again this year??
Yes. And he turned down more to stay here the last time. He's not worth it. I'd say let him walk.
Zach's missed time and drop in performance makes his a poor choice for your starter.
Who can replace him is a big question, until the tampering period, or possibly a trade for a guy that can't compete against a starter under contract, we won't know.
Elgersma?
Wilson? Chase?
So much m'eh out there, if MOS is back, can he find an OC who can then catch lightning in a bottle?
Quote from: Sway on November 01, 2025, 08:58:41 PMApparently only 10 people can competently play CFL QB. Zach, with all his faults is one of those guys.
Give him some help and a OC who isn't pathetic and he has another year in him. 450k vs 550k is irrelevant
He really doesn't, he maybe had 2 good games this season. I fear that 3rd Q earned him another season and we'll be in for another year filled with excuses and disappointment.
Will need to spend some money on a OL to protect ZC8. I really hope Elgersma shows up to TC.
About ZC, we've also been without Schoen, and some top receivers for a long part of the season. We no longer have Lawler and our Oline is not good. His play has dropped off some, but it's not all on him. A rookie OC is partly to blame as well. The OC is not good. Many factors at play here.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 01, 2025, 09:20:35 PMWill need to spend some money on a OL to protect ZC8. I really hope Elgersma shows up to TC.
Losing Hardrick was big
Back at the hotel. Overall it was a fun time, and the fans were gracious. Sucks to lose, but on the bright side I don't need to book a trip to HAM now...
Ironic that our D lost the game when all season long it was our O that sucked. Zach had one of his best playoff games, minus the ill-advised run & fumble.
Brady is the highest paid RB by miles and he had a mediocre game and cost us the W in the end with that final inexcusable fumble. Budget no-name Scott made him look like a chump.
At least I get to have fun around MTL for a few days. Lots to do, even with next to no metro.
Now... go Jays. We don't want this to turn into a day everyone loses.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 01, 2025, 09:20:35 PMWill need to spend some money on a OL to protect ZC8. I really hope Elgersma shows up to TC.
TSN said he will be exploring his NFL options and won't be back to Canada until May-June at best so event be in training camp or really can't be counted on in 2026 plans really
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 09:11:35 PMYes. And he turned down more to stay here the last time. He's not worth it. I'd say let him walk.
I agree.
Quote from: Pete on November 01, 2025, 08:17:06 PMWhats so frustrating is that we went into this grey cup the same way we approached the season, in a passive nonaggressive manner. We knew what the weaknesses were ie the defensive line, and the offensive line. We tried to put band aids on them and in the end it resulted in a 4th place finish and a playoff exit. (that we were still starting JT in the playoffs says a lot)
To take this approach in a grey cup hosting year is sad, and thats how I'm feeling
I agree 100%
Miller and co epic failure.
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 09:28:22 PMBack at the hotel. Overall it was a fun time, and the fans were gracious. Sucks to lose, but on the bright side I don't need to book a trip to HAM now...
Ironic that our D lost the game when all season long it was our O that sucked. Zach had one of his best playoff games, minus the ill-advised run & fumble.
Brady is the highest paid RB by miles and he had a mediocre game and cost us the W in the end with that final inexcusable fumble. Budget no-name Scott made him look like a chump.
At least I get to have fun around MTL for a few days. Lots to do, even with next to no metro.
Now... go Jays. We don't want this to turn into a day everyone loses.
How were the horns? They sounded horrendous on TV.
Not sure who's going to offer him $250+ when you can pull an import off the street (Scott) for half the money and get twice the performance. I d invest the $$ on the o line and if Brady walks for crazy money let him, Peterson can do what he does easily on an ELC
Quote from: Tecno on November 01, 2025, 09:28:22 PMBack at the hotel. Overall it was a fun time, and the fans were gracious. Sucks to lose, but on the bright side I don't need to book a trip to HAM now...
Ironic that our D lost the game when all season long it was our O that sucked. Zach had one of his best playoff games, minus the ill-advised run & fumble.
Brady is the highest paid RB by miles and he had a mediocre game and cost us the W in the end with that final inexcusable fumble. Budget no-name Scott made him look like a chump.
At least I get to have fun around MTL for a few days. Lots to do, even with next to no metro.
Now... go Jays. We don't want this to turn into a day everyone loses.
Jets kicked the Pens *** bro!
Quote from: Pete on November 01, 2025, 08:17:06 PMWhats so frustrating is that we went into this grey cup the same way we approached the season, in a passive nonaggressive manner. We knew what the weaknesses were ie the defensive line, and the offensive line. We tried to put band aids on them and in the end it resulted in a 4th place finish and a playoff exit. (that we were still starting JT in the playoffs says a lot)
To take this approach in a grey cup hosting year is sad, and thats how I'm feeling
Totally agree. Instead of going all in and maybe over the cap I bet we're under. And for the love of god get us some DL upgrades asap and that better be the last we see of Thomas
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 07:54:26 PMWay to use your best weapon 8 carries.
Pure stupidity
If I'm Brady I want outta here.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on November 01, 2025, 07:58:08 PMA fitting loss. Exemplifies the failures of the entire season. Complete overhaul next year or else it will be a decade long rebuild. Thanks for everything Zach, MOS, Younger, Willie, Bryant, Neufeld, Streveler, et al, but your services are no longer required.
Oh, and Hogan - you suck. Unfathomly hard.
I agree with the above.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 09:48:01 PMPure stupidity
If I'm Brady I want outta here.
I think Brady insists that hogan is outta here!!
Quote from: barbk on November 01, 2025, 07:54:51 PMI won't be listening to post game comments.... same excuses blah blah blah
It would have a complete waste of time. I am so sick of MOS and his BS excuses and ways. Expiry date attained.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 01, 2025, 09:16:29 PMHe really doesn't, he maybe had 2 good games this season. I fear that 3rd Q earned him another season and we'll be in for another year filled with excuses and disappointment.
Yup.
One nice pass.. and management forgets about all the other issues.
The completion to Wallace was the Cherry on the top...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 09:37:44 PMI agree 100%
Miller and co epic failure.
I don't think Miller is to blame. It's Walters and O'Shea.
Quote from: tlf on November 01, 2025, 08:28:30 PMYes. He and the scouts are in charge of who is coming in. Sure, Osh defines who is on the roster, but he doesn't control who they find.
I also mentioned that earlier. Is he making his way out of the club? I could see him going elsewhere. I don't know but for someone who should be very involved he doesn't seem to have been.
Brady is NOT overpaid. It just feels like it because we lost. When you are the star RB of the league and have won awards, you are not overpaid.
I do think Brady is over paid. It's not because of losing today but it's just too much to pay a RB when the cost is not having a better OL etc etc.
The same applies to Collaros and I said that when he was 1st extended at $600K+. At some point teams pay some players too much and the overall roster pays for it.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 09:53:49 PMIt would have a complete waste of time. I am so sick of MOS and his BS excuses and ways. Expiry date attained.
Ya mos will never come out and state the obvious rather he will defend those around him and that's why players play so hard for him. Thing is we need to get some more talented players in our clubhouse
Quote from: theaardvark on November 01, 2025, 10:09:27 PMYup.
One nice pass.. and management forgets about all the other issues.
The completion to Wallace was the Cherry on the top...
8 minutes left in the 4th, 2nd down and 5, Zach is rolling to his right and he has Cobb or Corcoran right in front of him for an easy completion, he hesitates 2 seconds looking for someone further down field and is forced to throw the ball out of bounds. Opportunity lost, punt forced, game over.
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 08:51:46 PMThey can't move them soon enough!!
Again - that doink may have been the difference for us ending the longest Grey Cup drought in 2019.
Also - say goodbye to those exciting missed field goal returns by Vaval this year
We also still scored the touchdown after that doink.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 01, 2025, 10:12:00 PMI don't think Miller is to blame. It's Walters and O'Shea.
Miller is in charge so yes he is partly to blame.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 01, 2025, 11:12:25 PMMiller is in charge so yes he is partly to blame.
I'm not sure what you would have wanted him to do. Miller wasn't going to let anyone go heading into this season. He got sellouts every home game.
He might have some work to do now and some choices to make but I don't think you can fault him too much.
wade did his job. i don't think firing walters mid season was ever an option this season.
wade may have some decisions this off season though.
Well for one, he could have insisted we replace the All stars we lost this year with talent proven replacements cheaping out and going the route we did. Second, he could have insisted we replace the experienced OC we lost with again, someone with proven experience at the position. Nope, cheaped out again. We got exactly what we deserved and Miller shoulders some of the blame, as does MOS and KW. I don't think anyone gets fired, but they have to own up to massive gaffs they made this year.
Quote from: dd on November 02, 2025, 12:02:50 AMWell for one, he could have insisted we replace the All stars we lost this year with talent proven replacements cheaping out and going the route we did. Second, he could have insisted we replace the experienced OC we lost with again, someone with proven experience at the position. Nope, cheaped out again. We got exactly what we deserved and Miller shoulders some of the blame, as does MOS and KW.
Thank you dd
Quote from: dd on November 02, 2025, 12:02:50 AMWell for one, he could have insisted we replace the All stars we lost this year with talent proven replacements cheaping out and going the route we did. Second, he could have insisted we replace the experienced OC we lost with again, someone with proven experience at the position. Nope, cheaped out again. We got exactly what we deserved and Miller shoulders some of the blame, as does MOS and KW. I don't think anyone gets fired, but they have to own up to massive gaffs they made this year.
in the accountability matrix i don't think wade is going to do any of those things. he hires people to make those decisions and he trusts them to make them. is he a micro-manager who meddles in the accountability of others?? not sure. he may discussions with kyle and mike about things but i suspect he is going to defer to their expertise.
Well I for one question their 'expertise' in replacing those impact players we lost via FA, heck we still haven't replaced yoshi from 2 years ago. You have to replace impact players with impact players and regular joes with regular joes, but don't expect a regular joe to replace an impact player x 4!!!!
Honestly, most of this falls on O'Shea.
We had a ton of different options in training camp and he cut most of them.
We have better defensive ends right now on the one game.
He went with an off the radar, under qualified rookie offensive coordinator.
He bought JY's scheme that really flies in the face of a lot of the generally agreed upon defense theory.
He stayed too loyal to his veterans who weren't producing.
And the biggest: he seems to have prioritized culture ahead of results and production, like the culture is the point in and of itself. That was exposed over and over this year for what it is, a very bad miscalculation.
This was the year we should have gone way over the Cap to make sure we had the roster to make the Finals.
If only we had a home Grey Cup one of these past years.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on November 02, 2025, 02:42:11 AMThis was the year we should have gone way over the Cap to make sure we had the roster to make the Finals.
If only we had a home Grey Cup one of these past years.
Yah, maybe if they would have given Zach a $200k bump he would have played better.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on November 02, 2025, 02:42:11 AMThis was the year we should have gone way over the Cap to make sure we had the roster to make the Finals.
If only we had a home Grey Cup one of these past years.
Spending money is not a guarantee of more success. The Lions when they did that with Reilly and then last year with Rourke as examples.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 01, 2025, 08:11:29 PMThat sums it up pretty well.
Brady fumble and Willie face mask sealed the deal for the Als.
By in large the defence cost us the game although they had 2 good turnovers. However they gave up 550+ yards and that by any definition is pure horse crap.
There have been many concerns about talent level being not good enough and that showed today. 4 plays 39 yards or longer and that early PI.
It's time to move on from Jefferson as the starting point of the re-build. He's expensive and was in coast mode all year.
Agree with most of this but I don't think Jefferson was in coast mode this year. He's just gotten old and slower, less impactfull and his easy going nature sometimes makes him look less intense.
Not his fault also that they failed to bring in any decent D-line guys to help him out. Vauters was never great and over the hill when they brought him in. He was mostly a not impactfull. Jake Thomas - enough said. The only decent d-line pressure was last week when the two new guys flew around and then weren't dressed.
I give Willy a pass this year. But next year he should be replaced or at a minimum be in a rotation with new faster guys like the two from last week (can't be bothered to look up their names but we know who).
Our Bombers lost. But I enjoyed another great year at the stadium. Win or lose they always entertain and can't be disappointed with the past 5 years of Bomber football.
We need to flush our entire D line. They are slugs. Slow. Get no push or penetration. Keep Lawson as a NAT, but Thomas, Vaughters and Jefferson should be gone. Willie is too sloooooooow out there. Look at Calgary's D line, where the heck did they get those guys from. Complete rebuilt D line in 1 off season. It can and must be done if we are going anywhere next year. There is no room for sentiment here. We moved on from Harris and Biggie, now its jefferson's turn. All gave great years of service and leadership, but it's time.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 02:45:45 PMAgree with most of this but I don't think Jefferson was in coast mode this year. He's just gotten old and slower, less impactfull and his easy going nature sometimes makes him look less intense.
Not his fault also that they failed to bring in any decent D-line guys to help him out. Vauters was never great and over the hill when they brought him in. He was mostly a not impactfull. Jake Thomas - enough said. The only decent d-line pressure was last week when the two new guys flew around and then weren't dressed.
I give Willy a pass this year. But next year he should be replaced or at a minimum be in a rotation with new faster guys like the two from last week (can't be bothered to look up their names but we know who).
Our Bombers lost. But I enjoyed another great year at the stadium. Win or lose they always entertain and can't be disappointed with the past 5 years of Bomber football.
If Jefferson was a DI at a much lower salary then it would be a different issue. The problem is that is where rookies need to be found on ELC contracts. Limited roster size, DI's and ratio work against him.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 01, 2025, 08:05:47 PMOliveira isn't worth $250,000.
Too much money going to too many players who didn't make a difference.
Our best players were on ELCs or cheap contracts.
Can't win like that.
I dunno I disagree about Brady Oliveira being not worth it.
Not too many Canadian running backs out there rushing for a thousand yards for the past 5 seasons. And for the third year in a row is the Winnipeg Blue Bombers' most outstanding player and most outstanding Canadian. Previous winner of the Outstanding Player and the league's Most Outstanding Canadian award.
And he is only 28 years old. I think we should keep him.
But sure. A full roster review is needed this off season. Oliveira is the only untouchable (maybe add Tony Jones, Evan Holmes).
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 03:01:50 PMI dunno I disagree about Brady Oliveira being not worth it.
Not too many Canadian running backs out there rushing for a thousand yards for the past 5 seasons. And for the third year in a row is the Winnipeg Blue Bombers' most outstanding player and most outstanding Canadian. Previous winner of the Outstanding Player and the league's Most Outstanding Canadian award.
And he is only 28 years old. I think we should keep him.
But sure. A full roster review is needed this off season. Oliveira is the only untouchable (maybe add Tony Jones, Evan Holmes).
Bombers have a long history of being able to find import RB's on ELC's. There is no question that Brady is a top RB and being Canadian has both pro and con aspects. The con is that Canadian starters earn substantially more than an import.
We needed that when we were only starting 7 Canadians but that was not longer true the past two seasons.
Could the premium spent on Brady be spent elsewhere to improve the roster overall? Well that's the debate. An ELC RB like Cooley and the extra money ( $175K more or less ) spent to retain Lawler or Goosen for example.
Noting we could have kept a rookie receiver on an ELC instead of adding Mitchell at $165K and also been able to spend more elsewhere.
I'm happy to retain Brady going forward. Does that change if he wants $275K in 2026? Where do we draw a given line across the entire roster.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 01, 2025, 08:21:06 PMThe defensive game strategy has been a question all season. QB's have had too long to throw and it has always come back to bite us. Roster choices have been a puzzle. Someone one want to explain Ayers on the roster instead of any unnamed DL we didn't pick up this season? Somehow he managed a DT but no ST's today.
It's going to be a long off season. AGAIN. Our potential free agent list will approach 25 - 30 AGAIN.
IMO, I'd be releasing some players we don't want back rather than just letting them reach free agency. It's sends a message which needs to be sent.
We've been hard on Hogan. Rightfully so. However, he didn't build the roster. Walters has a lot to answer for and I don't think we've heard much from him this year.
The lack of pressure and only rushing 3 guys alot has pissed me off this year too.
I don't normally listen to the coach's show but happened to catch a bit a few weeks ago in the car when a caller asked Oshea about it. He said that is the Bombers normal game plan, more focused on coverage. And he backed it up by saying their defense was among the league leaders in fewest points allowed per game. We finished third in fewest points allowed across the whole league. So if the objective is to not allow the other team to score then does it really matter how your defense does it? Hard to argue his point.
Having said that, I really want to see a better pass rush next year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 03:15:50 PMBombers have a long history of being able to find import RB's on ELC's. There is no question that Brady is a top RB and being Canadian has both pro and con aspects. The con is that Canadian starters earn substantially more than an import.
We needed that when we were only starting 7 Canadians but that was not longer true the past two seasons.
Could the premium spent on Brady be spent elsewhere to improve the roster overall? Well that's the debate. An ELC RB like Cooley and the extra money ( $175K more or less ) spent to retain Lawler or Goosen for example.
Noting we could have kept a rookie receiver on an ELC instead of adding Mitchell at $165K and also been able to spend more elsewhere.
I'm happy to retain Brady going forward. Does that change if he wants $275K in 2026? Where do we draw a given line across the entire roster.
I can't believe there is any debate on the value of Brady Oliveira. Arguably the best running back in the league for the past 5 years, probably has another 5 years in the tank at age 28, a Canadian and a local Winnipeg boy with admirable off-field pursuits too (the guy saves dogs!). I think he's worth the premium.
We blew too much money on US free agent duds and in my opinion Zach is way overpaid now based on performance (don't blame him for age and injuries, just not worth it anymore).
I guess a day after a bad season ending loss, anything is up for debate. I'd say if we really want to save money, cut Zach, bring in the best group of young QBs you can find, let them battle it out in training camp, go with the best one and suffer through a year or two of re-building. And pay him one third the Zach money. Or throw some money at the best free agent you can get (just not Zach money).
Do we honestly think we can win next year with Zach?
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 03:22:44 PMThe lack of pressure and only rushing 3 guys alot has pissed me off this year too.
I don't normally listen to the coach's show but happened to catch a bit a few weeks ago in the car when a caller asked Oshea about it. He said that is the Bombers normal game plan, more focused on coverage. And he backed it up by saying their defense was among the league leaders in fewest points allowed per game. We finished third in fewest points allowed across the whole league. So if the objective is to not allow the other team to score then does it really matter how your defense does it? Hard to argue his point.
Having said that, I really want to see a better pass rush next year.
Why can't we do both? Jefferson was reported to earn $200K and Vaughters at $160K. Over and above that keeping a team from not scoring is important but it's not the only factor.
Winning the LOS, TOP and field position are significant defensive measures of effectiveness. I'd be curious to see our TOP. The lower that number the less time our offence has time to score obviously. We weren't a quick strike offence but more of a grind it out style. Nothing wrong with that if we win TOP and field position more than we lose it.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on November 02, 2025, 02:42:11 AMThis was the year we should have gone way over the Cap to make sure we had the roster to make the Finals.
If only we had a home Grey Cup one of these past years.
Totally agree. They blew it. My Grey Cup tickets are not that valuable to me anymore.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 03:33:06 PMI can't believe there is any debate on the value of Brady Oliveira. Arguably the best running back in the league for the past 5 years, probably has another 5 years in the tank at age 28, a Canadian and a local Winnipeg boy with admirable off-field pursuits too (the guy saves dogs!). I think he's worth the premium.
We blew too much money on US free agent duds and in my opinion Zach is way overpaid now based on performance (don't blame him for age and injuries, just not worth it anymore).
I guess a day after a bad season ending loss, anything is up for debate. I'd say if we really want to save money, cut Zach, bring in the best group of young QBs you can find, let them battle it out in training camp, go with the best one and suffer through a year or two of re-building. And pay him one third the Zach money. Or throw some money at the best free agent you can get (just not Zach money).
Do we honestly think we can win next year with Zach?
A premium sure but it's a question of where you draw the line. I already pointed out there were other ways we could have spent money more wisely but didn't.
I also pointed out that I said we pointed out we over paid Collaros when he was 1st extended him to $600K+.
OTOH, I think we can win with him but we have to reconsider how, where and how much we spend on many players.
Scott rushed for 133 yards against us and he's on an ELC. It's not difficult to see that the Als spent their money across their roster better than we did. Their OL, DL and secondary are all better than ours. Their receivers are better than ours.
I don't know if the Als will win the Grey Cup. I do know we won't this season, so having the best RB didn't help. Obviously it's not due to his SMS directly but it's a factor when building the roster and spending SMS.
As far as starters I've pointed out that Jefferson was over paid as well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 12:59:56 PMSpending money is not a guarantee of more success. The Lions when they did that with Reilly and then last year with Rourke as examples.
Rourke is still in the playoffs isn't he?
BC spends money on players and it is paying off. We do not. look where it has gotten us.
I don't think Jefferson is overpaid. I think he is great for marketing and helps keep the fanbase. He also has a great reach and has a lot of knockdowns. I'd rather have him for us than against us. He's a good value.
I blame also our scouting. Who have they gotten us lately? We used to hear a lot about our scouting..but we don't anymore. Have they done much? Honest question.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 03:39:32 PMTotally agree. They blew it. My Grey Cup tickets are not that valuable to me anymore.
I totally disagree with the idea of " going way over the cap " concept. Did any of the teams still in the playoff do that? I don't think so but we'll see what the final numbers show. The general premise that you can buy victory by spending is absurd.
You can't protect or guarantee against injuries. If Schoen didn't get hurt would we have had a better season. If both Schoen and Demski could have played at 100% in the ESF would we have won? IDK but that's about $400K for 2 receivers that couldn't play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 03:44:42 PMTheir OL, DL and secondary are all better than ours. Their receivers are better than ours.
And this is why we lost. Also their QB was much better than ours.
I think we both agree that we needed to spend our money more wisely, especially on the above that you pointed out. But still I think it is well spent on Oliveira and better cut elsewhere (Zach and dud free agents this year).
Having the best back in the league would have made a difference if we gave him the ball more than 8 times. Or at least threw to him out of the backfield. Horrible play calling and usage of Oliveira cost us again.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 02:45:45 PMI don't think Jefferson was in coast mode this year. He's just gotten old and slower, less impactfull
His lowest sack total ever, 3. He has had 12 and 11 sack seasons with the Bombers. This could be because we just don't rush enough people. He probably knows if he ever got to the QB he'd have no help there, so he spends a lot of reps getting in the passing lane and hopping at the right time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 03:48:47 PMI totally disagree with the idea of " going way over the cap " concept. Did any of the teams still in the playoff do that? I don't think so but we'll see what the final numbers show. The general premise that you can buy victory by spending is absurd.
You can't protect or guarantee against injuries. If Schoen didn't get hurt would we have had a better season. If both Schoen and Demski could have played at 100% in the ESF would we have won? IDK but that's about $400K for 2 receivers that couldn't play.
I would have been in favour of going over the cap this year as an exception because we are hosting the Grey Cup. If we could have signed one more impact free agent.
Yes you can't protect or guarantee against injuries and we got bit. But that is not relevent in signing one more stud free agent even if it means going over the cap this year.
It's water under the bridge though. And the Grey Cup game is not too exciting for me now.
Quote from: tlf on November 02, 2025, 03:47:53 PMRourke is still in the playoffs isn't he?
BC spends money on players and it is paying off. We do not. look where it has gotten us.
I don't think Jefferson is overpaid. I think he is great for marketing and helps keep the fanbase. He also has a great reach and has a lot of knockdowns. I'd rather have him for us than against us. He's a good value.
I blame also our scouting. Who have they gotten us lately? We used to hear a lot about our scouting..but we don't anymore. Have they done much? Honest question.
Yes Rourke is still in the playoffs. I think the Stamps poor time management was the difference in winning instead of losing.
How many times do we have to mention that the Lions had Rourke in 2024 and didn't make it to the Grey Cup? They went over by $300K and were fined. They haven't made it their this year yet either. The fact they over spent in 2024 and didn't win should be all the proof you need that the over spend idea is no guarantee.
I didn't have the impression that the Lions over spent the SMS or that they spent more than we did. We'll see which teams go over and which don't. It would be useful to see the amount that teams spend even when under the SMS.
The Jefferson comments have value but many complained he under performed in 2025. IMO he's not worth $200K but if we can lower his SMS he'd be worth keeping in a reduced role.
Will that happen? I don't think so and I don't know where I'd draw that line. Could either of Jenkins or Hawkins replace him? Too early too tell but maybe.
Today's hero eventually becomes yesterdays hero. Rosters are fluid. Winning is what counts.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 03:53:48 PMAnd this is why we lost. Also their QB was much better than ours.
I think we both agree that we needed to spend our money more wisely, especially on the above that you pointed out. But still I think it is well spent on Oliveira and better cut elsewhere (Zach and dud free agents this year).
Having the best back in the league would have made a difference if we gave him the ball more than 8 times. Or at least threw to him out of the backfield. Horrible play calling and usage of Oliveira cost us again.
I'm not sure the details of Collaros guaranteed money for 2026 and what that means to the SMS. We don't have a successor to him so cutting him is not the best play either.
I mentioned we were behind so much so quickly it took away our ability to use the run game more effectively earlier. Faulting the play calling I only agree with on that matter.
Realistically we were " lucky " to have scored 3 TD's in 3:36 minutes due to defensive forced turnovers. That was in the 3rd Q so there was time to be able to run more in the 4th Q but didn't.
OTOH, Brady fumbled in our own end and then Willie took the face mask penalty. That was the game right there. Those things happen to every player but it couldn't have happened at a worse time or field position.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 04:04:42 PMI'm not sure the details of Collaros guaranteed money for 2026 and what that means to the SMS. We don't have a successor to him so cutting him is not the best play either.
I mentioned we were behind so much so quickly it took away our ability to use the run game more effectively earlier. Faulting the play calling I only agree with on that matter.
Realistically we were " lucky " to have scored 3 TD's in 3:36 minutes due to defensive forced turnovers. That was in the 3rd Q so there was time to be able to run more in the 4th Q but didn't.
OTOH, Brady fumbled in our own end and then Willie took the face mask penalty. That was the game right there. Those things happen to every player but it couldn't have happened at a worse time or filed position.
Ya, cutting Zach means going into rebuild with a younger cheaper QB and probably living with some lean years but I prefer that to letting Brady go. Or at least signing a free agent QB at significantly less.
Scoring 3 TD's in 3:36 minutes was some great luck and divine intervention from the CFL Gods and had me thinking maybe we'd win this thing after writing them off. And again, feeding Oliveira at that point would have been my play call - especially check downs out of the backfield.
The Oliveira fumble was just horrible luck that maybe was evening up the good luck we had in the 3rd quarter. But I won't judge him on one single play. Happens to the best. But ya, the timing was brutal.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 04:14:15 PMYa, cutting Zach means going into rebuild with a younger cheaper QB and probably living with some lean years but I prefer that to letting Brady go. Or at least signing a free agent QB at significantly less.
Scoring 3 TD's in 3:36 minutes was some great luck and divine intervention from the CFL Gods and had me thinking maybe we'd win this thing after writing them off. And again, feeding Oliveira at that point would have been my play call - especially check downs out of the backfield.
The Oliveira fumble was just horrible luck that maybe was evening up the good luck we had in the 3rd quarter. But I won't judge him on one single play. Happens to the best. But ya, the timing was brutal.
I don't want to cut Brady and don't blame him for the bad luck with that fumble. I expect we'll re-sign him but I am somewhat concerned about what $$$ we re-sign him for in 2026. RB's in general are not usually at the top of the food chain even a Canadian. In that sense I don't expect a bidding war.
I there aren't going to be any top QB's available as a # 1 but there might be a decent # 2 available. That doesn't mean those choices will every become a # 1. I wouldn't mind getting Crum as a # 2.
Maybe Elgersma is a long term option but chances are we don't see him in the early days of TC. I would be pushing Collaros to take a SMS cut down to about $450K. That would help.
Alexander is a 4th year QB and became the starter midway in 2024. Terry Wilson couldn't even move up to our # 2 spot this year although that was predetermined the minute we signed Streveler.
I'm not even sure he'll be back next season or what his future will be.
Our unofficial roster shows about 37 players that played on Saturday are potential free agents. At the moment I don't see us losing any that we want to retain. The real question is where do we choose to not retain.
I have some opinions but it's early and we'll see things start to play out as we move into the new year.
Currently we have 65 players on the roster which includes 20 on the 1 game or 6 game IR. I have suggested we should release some players by the end of the the year to clear the deck so to speak. I doubt we do that but is there a point waiting until free agency starts to release Echols, Mitchell and Logan as examples?
Quote from: dd on November 01, 2025, 08:18:19 PMallstar Rb coughs up a major fumble that cost us the game
In fairness a Montreal player was in so quick Brady only had the ball a split second before there was an arm in there. Who missed the block? He should take some blame.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 01, 2025, 07:38:13 PMZC has showed up
He played the best he can but still 2 fumbles, one lost. 1 pick and 1 more that should have been. His best play is behind him and only downhill from here. I think we need a rebuild and he's just too old to be that guy we build with.
Quote from: Waffler on November 02, 2025, 04:50:51 PMIn fairness a Montreal player was in so quick Brady only had the ball a split second before there was an arm in there. Who missed the block? He should take some blame.
I agree but that's football in a nutshell. I wouldn't blame anyone in particular. Defences make plays too. Allen's fumble recovery is an example. I think it was Holm that caused the fumble with great effort and it paid off.
Quote from: Waffler on November 02, 2025, 03:55:20 PMHis lowest sack total ever, 3. He has had 12 and 11 sack seasons with the Bombers. This could be because we just don't rush enough people. He probably knows if he ever got to the QB he'd have no help there, so he spends a lot of reps getting in the passing lane and hopping at the right time.
Sack drop off is on the system employed, 3 against 4 or 5 and sometime max. protect with a RB or FB chipping in to protect the QB. Not an easy job especially when the Bombers rarely add a blitz, you won't find many D-linemen that can shrug that off and produce sack numbers without heavy rotation.
Betts has amazing sack numbers because the Lions system allows him to ignore containment and use his speed to pursue QB's wherever they may go, his line-mates take on the other responsibilities. I could be wrong but I don't recall Betts ever having a great game against the Bombers, with good protection he can be reduced to a non-factor.
Our club needs talent plain and simple. Total overhaul on our D line, Willie back only on a restructured contract that reflects his 3 sacks for 2025. I d keep Lawson but absolutely flush everyone else. Not even going to mention the J word.
O line we need to replace yoshi s talent lost from 2 years ago and Dobson last year,
Need to find an impact receiver we lost in lawler
On the up side, we got some decent peices to the puzzle in Brady, demski, Wilson and sterns, jones is a killer mlb, Wilson at will, kramdi sam, holm, Allen
Biggest changes are at coordinator, the 3 man rush must go and if was due to personnel fine get the personnel to get pressure from the front 4,if it's the desired scheme younger must go. Offensively there's no question hogan has to go
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 02, 2025, 05:22:52 PMSack drop off is on the system employed, 3 against 4 or 5 and sometime max. protect with a RB or FB chipping in to protect the QB. Not an easy job especially when the Bombers rarely add a blitz, you won't find many D-linemen that can shrug that off and produce sack numbers without heavy rotation.
Betts has amazing sack numbers because the Lions system allows him to ignore containment and use his speed to pursue QB's wherever they may go, his line-mates take on the other responsibilities. I could be wrong but I don't recall Betts ever having a great game against the Bombers, with good protection he can be reduced to a non-factor.
Our defensive strategy didn't seem to change from 2024 so I don't think that's the reason. Willie is on the downside and he got less reps and less results this year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 05:32:27 PMOur defensive strategy didn't seem to change from 2024 so I don't think that's the reason. Willie is on the downside and he got less reps and less results this year.
JY's defense is situationally good but pretty bad in overall effectiveness. It seems like a defense built to look good statistically while not really translating into wins. It also tends to get shredded by the better QBs more so than other defenses.
He's now: 21-15 regular season and 1-2 in the playoffs as an defensive coordinator. That's awfully average results.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 05:32:27 PMOur defensive strategy didn't seem to change from 2024 so I don't think that's the reason. Willie is on the downside and he got less reps and less results this year.
I think Younger transitioned into the 3 man line towards the end of last season, once he realized he couldn't replace Jeffcoat's contribution with one player.
I was surprised at the apparent lack of energy and enthusiasm in the first half. Players seemed flat and almost bored.
Just an impression I have, but I thought Kyrie Wilson was not that effective this season.
Regarding three man rush, in the Lions game B.C. Started using it later in the game and immediately started giving up yards.
Its ok, but it would be nice to see some pressure now and then. Our Lack of pressure probably helped Argos win the cup last season.it would have been nice to see Jenkins in there yesterday. Even if he hasn't worked his way up.
It doesn't have to come from a lineman, could be a linebacker or DB.
Sometimes yesterday it seemed like the als knew what play we were running on O as well as we did.
Our offence seems to be easy to read and predictable.
I have No idea why.
I read that post game Zach said he's returning next season. Not sure that's all that great for the team. There are a few reasons our offence was bad this season, he was probably one of them.I would rather start finding the next QB.
He played ok yesterday... except for fumble, but the first half stats were pretty bad.
My biggest wish is... improve the O line. It's the biggest flaw that I can see. They were not very good at all this season. Other teams have been taking our guys for years. Now it's time return the favour.
Anyone know what happened re Neufeld, he was out and 65 was in second half.
I'm not expecting much change in the way OShea and Walters run the team. They are very conservative in their approach.
I was surprised when the ALS traded cup winner Fajardo, and went with the young guy, we would not do that. But it seems like the right move doesn't it? The Wally Buono approach. Cold but mostly effective.
Semi and final, then season over. It's going to be wierd cheering for Bo Levi..😂 in the East final . Then On the NFL (not a big fan of it)
Anyway, I enjoyed following the season here at the forum, thanks everyone for that. Looking forward to the post season opinions and developements.
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Yeah, Zach and Brady both had a fumble each yesterday, and they do happen, but our leaders on offence have got to lead us statistically and it can't be in the fumble category
I don't care how much $$$ a player makes. They have to contribute to winning.
If the player produces, he's worth whatever his contract is. But, when they don't, do we want them on the team, regardless the price?
Getting a "deal" on a player that is not contributing, bad decision.
Love Zach, and his getting us back to backs. But between his performance and injury absences, sorry, he's not the answer and hasn't been for a while. Bringing him back for 2026 would be a terrible choice. There is no doubting his experience or his drive, or his leadership, but at the end of the day, you cannot defend his results.
I get it, he had a rookie OC and a somewhat new Oline, and was missing some of his targets... but those are excuses.
One of the highest paid players in the league needs to perform like one of the best players in the league.
He's not in the top 10 QB's in the league now. And he's scheduled to be one of the highest paid.
If he has guaranteed money on his contract, can we 6 game him for the year? Does "guaranteed money" get paid out like regular game cheques, or like a roster bonus? If he gets cut before they next $SMS cycle, does the guaranteed money apply to the 2025 cap, or the 2026...
Does he have the brain and desire to be an OC?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 02, 2025, 05:38:10 PMJY's defense is situationally good but pretty bad in overall effectiveness. It seems like a defense built to look good statistically while not really translating into wins. It also tends to get shredded by the better QBs more so than other defenses.
He's now: 21-15 regular season and 1-2 in the playoffs as an defensive coordinator. That's awfully average results.
Ignoring the fact that our defense finished #1 in points allowed both years and it's been our offence dragging us down these past 2 years. Tough to point any of this at JY in my opinion. I know everyone wants more sacks, but the ineffectiveness of the offence has made winning difficult lately.
Quote from: Jesse on November 02, 2025, 07:52:40 PMIgnoring the fact that our defense finished #1 in points allowed both years and it's been our offence dragging us down these past 2 years. Tough to point any of this at JY in my opinion. I know everyone wants more sacks, but the ineffectiveness of the offence has made winning difficult lately.
We gave up 560 offensive yards yesterday. We went 0-3 against Vernon Adams. They went 0-2 against Trevor Harris. The unit generates very few turnovers and in practice is lets every offense we play against dictate to us every play.
Dominate defenses win more football games. They give offenses short fields. They get turnovers.
Who cares how "good" the defense is on paper or how effective they are at confusing bad quarterbacks. In practice it's average. Against good quarterbacks who can read defenses it's below average.
No doubt Zach is on the decline, no doubt about it, but assuming every team retains their #1 Qb, who do you propose we replace him with--Arbuckle??, Crum??, MBT??
I am hoping we could get either Arbuckle or Crum here, but as our #2 next year and that would be a huge coo for our team!!
I think Crum grew exponentially as a Qb this past season, and think he'll continue to grow, I'd be going after him, he's got a decent are, he can run if forced, rarely turns the ball over, and moves the ball. That's all you want from your #2.
Before some guys resign they want to especially know who the OC will be, plus who the GM, HC, DC will be.
It seemed that Walters was missing all year and when FA trade line NO pickups. Now would that be on MOS because he doesn't like putting in new guys 1/2 into a season. Plus MOS doesn't like playing backup QB's or even giving them a chance to prove themselves.
Strev was a fan favorite but is NOT a QB that you can count on, he can't read a defense or throw plus has happy feet.
MOS always says next man up but his pick for OC, DC, and backup QB was a big mistake.
Quote from: dd on November 02, 2025, 05:26:35 PMOur club needs talent plain and simple. Total overhaul on our D line, Willie back only on a restructured contract that reflects his 3 sacks for 2025. I d keep Lawson but absolutely flush everyone else. Not even going to mention the J word.
O line we need to replace yoshi s talent lost from 2 years ago and Dobson last year,
Need to find an impact receiver we lost in lawler
On the up side, we got some decent peices to the puzzle in Brady, demski, Wilson and sterns, jones is a killer mlb, Wilson at will, kramdi sam, holm, Allen
Biggest changes are at coordinator, the 3 man rush must go and if was due to personnel fine get the personnel to get pressure from the front 4,if it's the desired scheme younger must go. Offensively there's no question hogan has to go
the trouble with our defense may have been that it seemed we had one scheme/gemeplan for every one, We needed to be able to vary it more when an offense has figured it out. (this could also apply to our offense as well.) Part of this could be due to the lack of talent on the dline.
I think Younger is a good coach but we need to give him some more tools to work with, maybe Jenkins and Jaworski can help but we also need an impact dt as well as an upgrade to cdn depth. Thomas and Kornelson just wont cut it. Woods may be ok as a backup.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 02, 2025, 08:00:32 PMWe gave up 560 offensive yards yesterday. We went 0-3 against Vernon Adams. They went 0-2 against Trevor Harris. The unit generates very few turnovers and in practice is lets every offense we play against dictate to us every play.
Dominate defenses win more football games. They give offenses short fields. They get turnovers.
Who cares how "good" the defense is on paper or how effective they are at confusing bad quarterbacks. In practice it's average. Against good quarterbacks who can read defenses it's below average.
Dominate defences allow few points. That's the only job. They were #1 at that. They weren't good on paper. The results were good. Especially since Labour Day.
But we were 6th in points scored, only 2 more per game than Ott and Edm. We turned the ball over more than any other team. We were second worst in opponent points scored on those turnovers.
The defence sucked on Saturday. It has never the issue over the past two season though.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 02, 2025, 08:00:32 PMWe gave up 560 offensive yards yesterday. We went 0-3 against Vernon Adams. They went 0-2 against Trevor Harris. The unit generates very few turnovers and in practice is lets every offense we play against dictate to us every play.
Dominate defenses win more football games. They give offenses short fields. They get turnovers.
Who cares how "good" the defense is on paper or how effective they are at confusing bad quarterbacks. In practice it's average. Against good quarterbacks who can read defenses it's below average.
I think any defensive system will be worse against good quarterbacks.
I hate our no pressure defense. Its not fun to watch, and fun is part of the reason I watch football.
But its hard to argue that our D is not effective. We are first in points given up per game, second in yards given up per game, first in (lowest) percentage of drives ending in giving up a touchdown, first in highest percentage of drives ending in a punt. Those are probably the most important stats on D.
Now one could argue that not generating turnovers is a problem for our D. We were third last in percentage of drives leading to turnovers. And although any negative effects of this on defensive effectiveness should ultimately be captured in the other defensive stats, you could argue that the lack of turnovers hampers the offense, since we are less likely to give the offense the ball in good field position. Yet when you look up the average starting yard line for our offense, it is really within a yard or two of the other teams. So I am having trouble mounting a good argument against Younger's defense, even though I would like to.
The best I can come up with is that O'Shea is a big proponent of the idea that whoever wins the turnover battle wins the game, and we often lost the turnover battle. We were at the bottom of the league in interceptions, forced fumbles and tackles for a loss. Yet the amount of forced turnovers by our D was only about 2 less than league average. The turnovers, especially interceptions, by our offense was a bigger issue IMO. Maybe the lack of pressure, sacks and turnovers kills our momentum and excitement? But this feels like grasping at straws.
I would like us to return to a more traditional pressure focused Defense because its more enjoyable to watch. But I'm having a hard time convincing myself its necessary based on effectiveness alone.
I will say that we need a new OC or a new playbook, a different defensive system where we stress rushing the QB and getting pressure. Sacks would be great however, pressure where the QB has to rush his throw is also effective. Bring a blitz more often than we do.
Now the following players need to be released or traded:
J. Thomas (may retire)
W. Jefferson (trade for a QB, try to get Fajardo or at least Ford from the Elk)
P. Nuefeld (to many whiffs on blocks)
S. Bryant (saw him handing out bus tickets to guys running by him to many times this year)
Vaugters (was only average)
Lawson Jr. (terrible in coverage, can't tackle)
Parker (see above)
D. Mitchell (did nothing)
Eccols (hoe hum)
Schoen (his knee is done)
Streverler (See above)
ZC (trade him for someone or cut him)
P. Logan (total bust)
That is a lot of turn over, but the re-build has to begin. Go hard in FA with the available money saved.
Quote from: dd on November 02, 2025, 08:26:42 PMNo doubt Zach is on the decline, no doubt about it, but assuming every team retains their #1 Qb, who do you propose we replace him with--Arbuckle??, Crum??, MBT??
I am hoping we could get either Arbuckle or Crum here, but as our #2 next year and that would be a huge coo for our team!!
I think Crum grew exponentially as a Qb this past season, and think he'll continue to grow, I'd be going after him, he's got a decent are, he can run if forced, rarely turns the ball over, and moves the ball. That's all you want from your #2.
Problem with Crum is he's a low scoring QB, don't think he'll ever be capable of putting up 40 pt games. Sure good second stringer, but that isn't the problem right now.
For vet QB's good chance Arbuckle, Fajardo and MBT test FA at varying prices, Cody will do whatever he needs to get back into the $400k+ salary range and will use FA to bargain with Hervey. At this point I think he's more capable than Zach and is a few years younger, he could be a decent short term solution. A lot rides with the choice of OC, can't see Hogan getting a second chance but likely switches seats with J. Jackson.
Quote from: Jesse on November 02, 2025, 09:20:44 PMDominate defences allow few points. That's the only job. They were #1 at that. They weren't good on paper. The results were good. Especially since Labour Day.
But we were 6th in points scored, only 2 more per game than Ott and Edm. We turned the ball over more than any other team. We were second worst in opponent points scored on those turnovers.
The defence sucked on Saturday. It has never the issue over the past two season though.
I can't believe you're arguing for a defense that doesn't pressure the QB.
It has been terrible in 2 of the 3 playoff games JY has called. Made freaking Nick Arbuckle look like Tom Brady last year and it let the Als set playoff records this year.
And until we find a way to get pressure with it, it's never going to be successful unless you consider dominating Dru Brown and Montreal's 4th stringer an accomplishment. Reality, they suck against everyone.
Time to go watch the Grey Cup tape for 2019 and 2021 and compare it to now. Or just watch the other teams beat us after.
In big games you need to attack the QB or you will lose. There's a reason no one else runs this stupid system in any league.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 02, 2025, 10:08:00 PMProblem with Crum is he's a low scoring QB, don't think he'll ever be capable of putting up 40 pt games. Sure good second stringer, but that isn't the problem right now.
For vet QB's good chance Arbuckle, Fajardo and MBT test FA at varying prices, Cody will do whatever he needs to get back into the $400k+ salary range and will use FA to bargain with Hervey. At this point I think he's more capable than Zach and is a few years younger, he could be a decent short term solution. A lot rides with the choice of OC, can't see Hogan getting a second chance but likely switches seats with J. Jackson.
I'd take Fajardo over Collaros next year no problem, the thing is most Bomber fans hate his guts!! I can't see MOS taking Fajardo over Collaros, no way, he'll go with Collaros due to his leadership and fit in the locker room, Fajardo on the other hand, seems to wear out his welcome pretty quick.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 02, 2025, 10:08:00 PMProblem with Crum is he's a low scoring QB, don't think he'll ever be capable of putting up 40 pt games. Sure good second stringer, but that isn't the problem right now.
For vet QB's good chance Arbuckle, Fajardo and MBT test FA at varying prices, Cody will do whatever he needs to get back into the $400k+ salary range and will use FA to bargain with Hervey. At this point I think he's more capable than Zach and is a few years younger, he could be a decent short term solution. A lot rides with the choice of OC, can't see Hogan getting a second chance but likely switches seats with J. Jackson.
Yes, he is a low scoring Qb, but more importantly, he doesn't turn the ball over much either. He turns it over far less than much talked about Dru Brown, who is a turnover machine, and Zach, who was the biggest turnover machine this year!!! Our offense had alot of problems, but the biggest by far was coughing the ball up, and that continued in our playoff game, with Collaros fumbling one and Brady the other. We HAVE to eliminate this from our offense, and I don't know how, because we turned it over all year. Give me Crum and his low scoring game he runs and very few turnoevers over our current turn the ball over frequently and give up easy points offense/defense.
fajardo will likely be signed by the elks well before free agency. They don't seem to have any problem throwing big money to free agents. Also I believe Collaros will have a significant signing bonus prior to the start of free agency.
BTW Arbuckle (and Kelly) aren't free agents,
Quote from: Jesse on November 02, 2025, 09:20:44 PMDominate defences allow few points. That's the only job. They were #1 at that. They weren't good on paper. The results were good. Especially since Labour Day.
But we were 6th in points scored, only 2 more per game than Ott and Edm. We turned the ball over more than any other team. We were second worst in opponent points scored on those turnovers.
The defence sucked on Saturday. It has never the issue over the past two season though.
Wow, I never knew our defense allowed the fewest points in the league. That is surprising, not because of our D, but because our offense totally hung our defense out to dry many, many times througout this season and in the playoffs, with turnovers, that resulted in the opposition getting very short fields. We were very sloppy and careless with the football, THAT has got to change.
To me, our focal point in 2026 has got to be reduce our turnovers, both throwing ill advised passes for pick 6's (how many did we throw this year, I lost track!!) and brutal fumbles which we had 2 of this past weekend.
Quote from: gordo on November 02, 2025, 03:39:32 PMTotally agree. They blew it. My Grey Cup tickets are not that valuable to me anymore.
Not sure what the thought process was around all this by the bombers. Playing in a home grey cup would have filled the coffers even more to cover that over the cap limit expense. I have no issue of any team exceeding the cap (at least up to 100k) before losing draft picks to be in a home cup. BC DID IT last year although it blew up In their faces in the end as they went very overboard, but at least they tried.
In any case probably way too many holes to fill during the season.
Quote from: Waffler on November 02, 2025, 03:55:20 PMHis lowest sack total ever, 3. He has had 12 and 11 sack seasons with the Bombers. This could be because we just don't rush enough people. He probably knows if he ever got to the QB he'd have no help there, so he spends a lot of reps getting in the passing lane and hopping at the right time.
To be fair Willie has had NO HELP from the interior d line for at least a year or two now, so teams could use two blockers against him always. Need a new "Stove" or similar again for better push up The middle to have another d lineman to worry about.
A tumultuous end to a tumultuous season.
Time for some changes in Bomberland - starting with the OC.
Quote from: Jesse on November 02, 2025, 09:20:44 PMThe defence sucked on Saturday.
So did the offense. One first down in a quarter of football is embarrassing. The offense, particularly through the air, was pretty putrid all season long outside of maybe three games.
The unorthodox defensive system seemed to work more often than not this season; that was clearly not the case on Saturday.
The offense should be take the higher priority as far as criticism of this 2025 team is concerned, IMO.
Quote from: Jesse on November 02, 2025, 09:20:44 PMDominate defences allow few points. That's the only job. They were #1 at that. They weren't good on paper. The results were good. Especially since Labour Day.
But we were 6th in points scored, only 2 more per game than Ott and Edm. We turned the ball over more than any other team. We were second worst in opponent points scored on those turnovers.
The defence sucked on Saturday. It has never the issue over the past two season though.
That's not their only job. The need to get the opponent off the field and win TOP and field position. Sure it's great when they hold a team to a FG. OTOH a 6 minute 10 play drive for 90 yards resulting in a FG is not that ideal either.
Someone needs to show the stats on TOP ( when the defence is on the field ) and average starting field position.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 03, 2025, 01:56:21 PMThat's not their only job. The need to get the opponent off the field and win TOP and field position. Sure it's great when they hold a team to a FG. OTOH a 6 minute 10 play drive for 90 yards resulting in a FG is not that ideal either.
Someone needs to show the stats on TOP ( when the defence is on the field ) and average starting field position.
All of those things are just a means to an end. However a defense does it, the ultimate goal is to prevent the other team scoring points.
Lapo was saying a couple games ago that he sees the Stubler influence all over our defense. MOS and JY both played under Stubler. He is famous for his bend but don't break approach. The thing is that most fans hate the bend but don't break.
Wikipedia article
"As of 2025, NFL teams that regularly incorporate the 3–4 defensive alignment scheme as a base include the Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles, Carolina Panthers and Arizona Cardinals."
Recent fan discussion Reddit says many NFL teams use three four defence. They specifically mentioned Vic fangio using it, Current defensive guru.
But NFL teams change who's on the field almost every play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballstrategy/s/K9fSKXW4wN
Grey cup loss to,the Argos We could have pressured Arbuckle, but chose not to for some reason. So not the three four defence that failed, it was that choice that was a mistake.
You can blitz from three four. No idea why they didn't.
A guy that I see anchoring the d line is Micah Johnson. We need someone like him.
Quote from: Jesse on November 03, 2025, 02:19:58 PMAll of those things are just a means to an end. However a defense does it, the ultimate goal is to prevent the other team scoring points.
Apparently you missed the entire point / points so we'll agree to disagree.
Defence and offence are the two sides of the coin. The job of the offence is to score points but it's also their job to keep the opponent off the field by sustaining long time consuming drives, winning TOP and field position. The same applies to the defence in the sense that they want to get the opponent off the field and get their offence on.
Too often in the past two years and continuing this year, we saw our defence give up very long and time consuming drives. We may have shut it down to FG's eventually but we saw those long drives too often. Not all of that can be blamed on our offence not staying on the field.
The last game is a " marker ". We gave up 550+ yardage and 42 points. Good defences don't do that.
Quote from: markf on November 03, 2025, 04:44:06 PMYou can blitz from three four. No idea why they didn't.
100%. If they never know who the 4th guy is, or if one is coming at all, it would help a lot.
Quote from: markf on November 03, 2025, 04:44:06 PMWikipedia article
"As of 2025, NFL teams that regularly incorporate the 3–4 defensive alignment scheme as a base include the Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles, Carolina Panthers and Arizona Cardinals."
Recent fan discussion Reddit says many NFL teams use three four defence. They specifically mentioned Vic fangio using it, Current defensive guru.
But NFL teams change who's on the field almost every play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballstrategy/s/K9fSKXW4wN
Grey cup loss to,the Argos We could have pressured Arbuckle, but chose not to for some reason. So not the three four defence that failed, it was that choice that was a mistake.
You can blitz from three four. No idea why they didn't.
A guy that I see anchoring the d line is Micah Johnson. We need someone like him.
They have adequate personnel to play either look, no reason they can't mix it up in games and between games which would further confuse opponents. Depending on the QB they're facing the 3-4 works well but as we've seen elite experienced QB's given enough time can find the flaws and pick it apart. Why stake their claim to one look, use what is effective when needed, make adjustments as needed.
Listening to the Connor and Zach on WST frustrates me even more.
MOS did a brutal job coaching this game. His decisions were puzzling at bast. It was like he was, not unlike the last couple GC games, trying to give his team the worse chance of winning.
I for one am done with MOS. He has ZERO feel for the game. I am super frustrated with MOS. He failed his players.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2025, 08:05:17 PMListening to the Connor and Zach on WST frustrates me even more.
MOS did a brutal job coaching this game. His decisions were puzzling at bast. It was like he was, not unlike the last couple GC games, trying to give his team the worse chance of winning.
I for one am done with MOS. He has ZERO feel for the game. I am super frustrated with MOS. He failed his players.
Zach mentioned the failure to make the timeout out call which took away a down in scoring range, I believe the same thing happened at a critical time in last year's GC game. Also challenging the spot on goal line plunge was a really bad decision considering they had 2 more cracks at it.
NFL teams also still find ways to get pressure in 3-4 defenses.
Quote from: markf on November 03, 2025, 04:44:06 PMWikipedia article
"As of 2025, NFL teams that regularly incorporate the 3–4 defensive alignment scheme as a base include the Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles, Carolina Panthers and Arizona Cardinals."
Recent fan discussion Reddit says many NFL teams use three four defence. They specifically mentioned Vic fangio using it, Current defensive guru.
But NFL teams change who's on the field almost every play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballstrategy/s/K9fSKXW4wN
Grey cup loss to,the Argos We could have pressured Arbuckle, but chose not to for some reason. So not the three four defence that failed, it was that choice that was a mistake.
You can blitz from three four. No idea why they didn't.
A guy that I see anchoring the d line is Micah Johnson. We need someone like him.
NFL teams also get pressure with 3-4 defenses. The pressure comes from the scheme more so than the defense ends generating immediate rush pressure. You have late blitzing linebackers and slot corners coming downhill. You have safeties timing snap counts etc.
There is really no professional system that tries to sell the idea that pressure isn't necessary except for some of the language coming out of the Bombers this year. It reminds me a bit of Mike Kelly's comments on the shotgun. It's just really off base, confusing and wrong. The times when our system looked better this year was, generally speaking, the times they were able to get at least some pressure. Including in the game against Montreal last week.
Whether you're running a 3-4 or a 4-3, you need to get some pressure from your DT's. We don't have DT's that threaten the O line at all. They accept to be blocked and rarely, very rarely get through on their own to push the pocket. Rather they engage in the OG and do some rolls from one side to the other and the O lineman just push them to the side on the roll, zero penetration. It's a joke really. No vertical pressure, just roll to the side. That's horrible.
Yeah I agree, if your going to run with a 3-4 defense, the three dl better be top tier. plus rotational (this defense requires a lot of substitutions as seems to me it would be very tiring facing 5 or 6 olinemen)
I would much rather invest in dlinemen as they seem to be much harder to find than linebackers.
The teams that do it well also use much more creativity on blitzes or rushing one of the lbs than we showed on order to create pressure. We've relied on our secondary too much.
My opinion is our defensive scheme has to change - when we won the Grey Cups we employed a 4-3 dline. How many games this year did anyone think that the opposing QB had waaaay to much time in the pocket? For me it was EVERY game. Give QBs all day in the pocket and they will beat you. I also think that we need to better disguise our blitzes because I called them correct about 90% oc the time and if I could I'm pretty sure the opposing QBs could as well. I know our defensive stats suggest the D wasn't that bad but I believe those stats are misleading in how good our D was.
The O in my opinion needs to upgrade our Oline as the biggest issue. I disagree that Collaros is done - this year he was running for his life almost every game give him better protection and he can still accurately sling it. I think we are good at running back and I'm not down on our receiving corps - I don't think we are great. Also how much was our OC to blame? I don't know the answer but found it very interesting when Collaros said that they practiced plays in training camp that they never used during the season. That seems to be a waste of time and effort.
It will be a interesting off season. I for one want O'Shea back.
MOS had a good interview, he ll be back. He said he's going to check into zach s concern with the offense, and also mentioned he could have helped the offense more this year. Well the, start listening to Collaros as he's forgotten more than our OC knows!!
And ya, we need to upgrade our O and D lines, but keep in mind, we lost our #1 and #2 receiver for this playoff game, with schoen being gone most/all season. I think we beat Montreal if we had schoen and Demski in the lineup, now having said that, I don't think schoen will ever be healthy enough to play again, so go get us a #1 receiver , and we ll sort out the offensive scheme issues, but we really got to sort out turning the ball over on O, we were brutal this year doing that.
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on November 04, 2025, 02:35:51 AMI for one want O'Shea back.
I think you speak for the vast, vast majority of fans here. He's been one of the greatest coaches this franchise has ever had.
MOS is one of the most successful coaches in Bomber history, sure.
He's had a pretty solid team to coach for most of that, because of Walters / scouts.
He seems to lose things in the details. Clock management, timeouts, taking advantage of turnovers quickly, utilizing weapons.
I think, with better support staff, he becomes a much better coach.
The front office $SMS was brought in because Chris Jones was... Chris Jones.
It was meant to stop teams from killing their bottom line with bad decisions.
I really, really think it needs to be erased or raised dramatically. We can't attract top tier assistants paying them PR roster player wages.
Yes, the WFC has a good bottom line and can afford to pay coaches more. Making the fans pay for bad coaching because we aren't allowed to pay better ones will hurt the best fanbase in the league. With zero upside.
Make front office $SMS a soft cap, with overeages paid for in dollar for dollar contributions to the league, with those payments disbursed to the other teams the following year as money they can spend above the cap.
We blow the cap by $800k, every team gets $100K in payment from us, and the ability to spend $100k over the present cap that year (we get the cap increase too, but no $$$).
The haves can spend, the have nots get a hand out.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 04, 2025, 03:29:47 PMMOS is one of the most successful coaches in Bomber history, sure.
He's had a pretty solid team to coach for most of that, because of Walters / scouts.
He seems to lose things in the details. Clock management, timeouts, taking advantage of turnovers quickly, utilizing weapons.
I think, with better support staff, he becomes a much better coach.
The front office $SMS was brought in because Chris Jones was... Chris Jones.
It was meant to stop teams from killing their bottom line with bad decisions.
I really, really think it needs to be erased or raised dramatically. We can't attract top tier assistants paying them PR roster player wages.
Yes, the WFC has a good bottom line and can afford to pay coaches more. Making the fans pay for bad coaching because we aren't allowed to pay better ones will hurt the best fanbase in the league. With zero upside.
Make front office $SMS a soft cap, with overeages paid for in dollar for dollar contributions to the league, with those payments disbursed to the other teams the following year as money they can spend above the cap.
We blow the cap by $800k, every team gets $100K in payment from us, and the ability to spend $100k over the present cap that year (we get the cap increase too, but no $$$).
The haves can spend, the have nots get a hand out.
We refused to operate like this for players, why would we do it for coaches?