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Taking a team absolute into account, the upcoming game against the Riders has to be looked at as a definite 1 and 0 game, a must win again.

Nic Demski is definitely out and likely replaced by Gavin Cobb. Some good news is that Keric Wheatfall has a good chance to return to the lineup.

Make no mistake though, the loss of Demski is a major disappointment!

Nothing much more to be said on this game except winning it is crucial.

No mistakes, superior execution, 100% effort and a full house is needed for a Rider beat down. 

Let's get it done Bombers!

key to this game is Collaros, he needs to not turn over the ball and make the right reads.
I hope Hogan is also gameplanning so as to protect Zac given the history with the riders.

Riders are sitting a lot of starters on both offence and defence. If we can't win this game with these advantages then there is a serious problem.

Yes losing Demski is unfortunate and a problem but we're at home and the Riders have locked up 1st place.

Cobb needs to step up big time

Any two of sterns/wheatfall(or mitchell) need to up game, if Cobb can contribute with some well timed catches  all the better

"....We still think we're in a good spot," said Sterns. "We still control our own destiny. Obviously, some games have gotten away from us but now we can't worry about the past. It's all about just tackling each day. If everyone has that mindset, we'll be fine."

That's become a bit of a mantra this week after Saturday's loss to Edmonton, following which veteran defensive back Deatrick Nichols said, 'everything we want and need is still in front of us.'

"It's like #1 said — Deatrick — we still have everything in front of us," said linebacker Tony Jones. "Obviously, the game last week wasn't in our favour. We felt like we didn't play a completely sound football game — all three phases. At the end of the day, everyone in here knows what we can be when we play three-phase football — we can be an elite team. If we play our brand of football, we're one of the top teams in the league. We have to go out there and prove it, be disciplined and execute the game plan....

48-Hour Primer | Game 17 vs. Saskatchewan

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I've been thinking a bit more about what it'll be like if SSK does well in playoffs, and heaven forbid, makes it to the big game.  You know, like deciding if I'll go to the GC (which I will).

It dawned on me, that while I hated SSK under Dickenson The Lesser (DTL), I didn't hate them as much as I do now.  Because I really hate Mace.  I could have stomached Riders making it to 1 or 2 of the cups we beat them to get to under DTL.  But not with Mace.

All the Riderfans bash DTL for being too nice, too buddy-buddy, too many bowling outings.  But besides being dim and a bad HC, he was likeable.  Kind of like the dorky uncle you feel a bit sorry for.

But Mace is like Chris Jones, but with double the douchery.  I really don't want to see them go far in the playoffs, and definitely not make it to the cup.  And if they do, I'm not cheering for them.

What does this have to do with this game?  Well, we need to take them down a notch by creaming them, maybe instill some doubt into their heads.  And for ourselves we need to secure that crossover and start our 5 game streak.  Because if we are the crossover team, and it is SSK v WPG, I want to kick Mace down so hard in that game it'll be talked about for generations.

Quote from: Tecno on October 16, 2025, 07:51:09 AMI've been thinking a bit more about what it'll be like if SSK does well in playoffs, and heaven forbid, makes it to the big game.  You know, like deciding if I'll go to the GC (which I will).

It dawned on me, that while I hated SSK under Dickenson The Lesser (DTL), I didn't hate them as much as I do now.  Because I really hate Mace.  I could have stomached Riders making it to 1 or 2 of the cups we beat them to get to under DTL.  But not with Mace.

All the Riderfans bash DTL for being too nice, too buddy-buddy, too many bowling outings.  But besides being dim and a bad HC, he was likeable.  Kind of like the dorky uncle you feel a bit sorry for.

But Mace is like Chris Jones, but with double the douchery.  I really don't want to see them go far in the playoffs, and definitely not make it to the cup.  And if they do, I'm not cheering for them.

What does this have to do with this game?  Well, we need to take them down a notch by creaming them, maybe instill some doubt into their heads.  And for ourselves we need to secure that crossover and start our 5 game streak.  Because if we are the crossover team, and it is SSK v WPG, I want to kick Mace down so hard in that game it'll be talked about for generations.

The winners of the West and East Semi-Final will be this years GC participants.  You can book it.

Quote from: Blueforlife on October 16, 2025, 01:02:53 AMCobb needs to step up big time

He's only been on the roster for 2 games this season and has yet to record a reception. I'm not sure how many reps he gets instead of Corcoran but losing Demski is going to hurt in this game.

Ed Tait:

The @Wpg_BlueBombers depth chart for tomorrow features three changes. On are DB Demerio Houston, SB Gavin Cobb and WR Keric Wheatfall. Off are SB Nic Demski, WR Dillon Mitchell and CB Dexter Lawson, Jr.

Cobb starts for Demski, Wheatfall for Mitchell and Houston for Lawson, Jr. Demski moved to one-game injured list.

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SSK will have some players looking to earn a spot for next year, and trying to impress.

With "nothing to lose", I worry that this may end up being a game where there may be Riders players ready to make statements at the expense of safety.  I don't think you earn a place by taking big penalties, but you can by making maximum damage without taking the penalty.  "Playing on the edge" easily tips over into danger.

They are not playing for anything in the standings, but the rivalry continues.

Not a bad looking roster with the exception of losing Demski this week. I don't know what to expect from Cobb this week since he hasn't had much of a chance to do anything this season.

That said, I'd be inclined to throw to him on a deep route early if possible. It's not so much on whether it's a completion but to at least give the defence something to think about rather than ignoring him in the 1st half.

The catch is that you don't want to waste a play but maybe on a 2nd and 1 there might be an opportunity?

Have we heard anything about whether Demski will play again this season?

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 16, 2025, 01:21:52 PMHe's only been on the roster for 2 games this season and has yet to record a reception. I'm not sure how many reps he gets instead of Corcoran but losing Demski is going to hurt in this game.

Nonetheless happy to see Cobb get into a game as he's waited patiently for this opportunity, but suspect he will share reps with Corcoran who's size they like.

Quote from: Tecno on October 16, 2025, 07:51:09 AMI've been thinking a bit more about what it'll be like if SSK does well in playoffs, and heaven forbid, makes it to the big game.  You know, like deciding if I'll go to the GC (which I will).

It dawned on me, that while I hated SSK under Dickenson The Lesser (DTL), I didn't hate them as much as I do now.  Because I really hate Mace.  I could have stomached Riders making it to 1 or 2 of the cups we beat them to get to under DTL.  But not with Mace.

All the Riderfans bash DTL for being too nice, too buddy-buddy, too many bowling outings.  But besides being dim and a bad HC, he was likeable.  Kind of like the dorky uncle you feel a bit sorry for.

But Mace is like Chris Jones, but with double the douchery.  I really don't want to see them go far in the playoffs, and definitely not make it to the cup.  And if they do, I'm not cheering for them.

What does this have to do with this game?  Well, we need to take them down a notch by creaming them, maybe instill some doubt into their heads.  And for ourselves we need to secure that crossover and start our 5 game streak.  Because if we are the crossover team, and it is SSK v WPG, I want to kick Mace down so hard in that game it'll be talked about for generations.

Stomping the Riders B Team shows nothing and may give them a false sense of confidence like it did in the WF last year.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really seem to matter what team we play or who that team is putting on the field.

Our loses this season have been entirely of our own doing. Shooting ourselves in the foot. Turning the ball over. We've likely thrown more INTs for TDs than any other teams. Turned the ball over in scoring range right before the half to give the other tam free points.

We need to manage our own mistakes or it wont matter who Sask puts on the field.

Sterns likely running and catching can help fill some of the Demski void.
Personally have wanted Ike to be more involved as an outlet, maybe this is where he gets more than one chance
Believe the team won't be missing Mitchell at all

Quote from: Tecno on October 16, 2025, 07:51:09 AMI've been thinking a bit more about what it'll be like if SSK does well in playoffs, and heaven forbid, makes it to the big game.  You know, like deciding if I'll go to the GC (which I will).

It dawned on me, that while I hated SSK under Dickenson The Lesser (DTL), I didn't hate them as much as I do now.  Because I really hate Mace.  I could have stomached Riders making it to 1 or 2 of the cups we beat them to get to under DTL.  But not with Mace.

All the Riderfans bash DTL for being too nice, too buddy-buddy, too many bowling outings.  But besides being dim and a bad HC, he was likeable.  Kind of like the dorky uncle you feel a bit sorry for.

But Mace is like Chris Jones, but with double the douchery.  I really don't want to see them go far in the playoffs, and definitely not make it to the cup.  And if they do, I'm not cheering for them.

What does this have to do with this game?  Well, we need to take them down a notch by creaming them, maybe instill some doubt into their heads.  And for ourselves we need to secure that crossover and start our 5 game streak.  Because if we are the crossover team, and it is SSK v WPG, I want to kick Mace down so hard in that game it'll be talked about for generations.

I could not disagree with you more. Mace has done a good job this year and Rider management has loaded the team with talent. And Mace is nothing like Chris Jones period. Give the Rider team and management credit they did a great job in 2025 with both on the field and off the field actions. They (management) did a far better job in bringing talent in then Bomber management did. And Mace appears to be a very good coach.

Do we play to the level of our competition?

This is not an uncommon thing.  Did we get "up" for the game against HAM, and then glide against EDM?  Not consciously, of course, but subconsciously...

I don't think we will have a problem getting "up" for the game against SSK

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Keric Wheatfall, Demerio Houston return for Winnipeg Blue Bombers against Riders
By John Hodge -October 16, 2025

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers will have receiver Keric Wheatfall and defensive back Demerio Houston back in the lineup when they host the Saskatchewan Roughriders at Princess Auto Stadium on Friday night.

Wheatfall missed the team's last two games after taking a vicious shot during the club's win over the Ottawa Redblacks in Week 16. The 26-year-old native of Brenham, Texas has caught 40 passes for 619 yards and four touchdowns this season, his second with the team. Wheatfall will start in place of Dillon Mitchell, who has been placed on the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch.

Houston didn't dress for the team's loss to the Edmonton Elks last week after he was late coming back from the bye week due to personal reasons. The veteran defender, who has recorded 11 defensive tackles over three regular-season games this year, will start at boundary cornerback opposite Jamal Parker, who will start at field-side cornerback.

Dexter Lawson Jr., who has made nine starts in the secondary this season, has been moved to the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch.

The Blue Bombers will also have Canadian receiver Gavin Cobb in the starting lineup for the first time this season as Nic Demski is out due to a hamstring injury. The 27-year-old was a collegiate standout with the University of Manitoba Bisons and signed with Winnipeg as a free agent in February following a three-year run with the Edmonton Elks during which he caught 18 passes for 308 yards and two touchdowns.

Winnipeg cannot clinch a playoff spot with a win on Friday night, though they will do so if the Edmonton Elks lose to the B.C. Lions. Though the Blue Bombers won the season series against the Elks, they will be the odd team out if there is a three or four-way tie in the West Division standings.

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (8-8) will host the Saskatchewan Roughriders (12-4) at Princess Auto Stadium on Friday, October 17 with kickoff slated for 8:00 p.m. EDT. The Riders are coming off a win over Toronto that allowed them to clinch first place in the West Division, while the Blue Bombers lost to Edmonton, failing to clinch a playoff spot in the process.

The weather forecast in Winnipeg calls for a high of 11 degrees with rainy conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 620 CKRM in Regina and 680 CJOB in Winnipeg.

https://3downnation.com/2025/10/16/keric-wheatfall-demerio-houston-return-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers-against-riders/

Saskatchewan Roughriders officially name QB Jake Maier starter against Bombers
By 3Down Staff -October 16, 2025

Backup quarterback Jake Maier will make his second start of the 2025 season when the Saskatchewan Roughriders face the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Friday.

Veteran starter Trevor Harris remains on the roster as the team's third-stringer, but will not play after the team clinched first place in the West Division last week. That means Maier will handle the quarterback duties, with youngster Jack Coan potentially seeing time as a backup.

Maier started in Week 4 for the Riders while Harris was out with a head injury. He completed 13-of-23 passes for 170 yards with one touchdown and no interceptions in a 37-18 victory versus the B.C. Lions, who started backup Jeremiah Masoli at QB.

In addition to Harris, running back A.J. Ouellette, right tackle Jermarcus Hardrick, receiver Samuel Emilus, and defensive tackle Micah Johnson will all be rested for load management. Defensive back Marcus Sayles (ankle) and receiver KeeSean Johnson (knee) will sit out with injuries.

Mario Anderson Jr. will draw into the lineup and get the start at running back, while fellow rookie Darius Washington gets the nod at right tackle. Shawn Bane Jr. will dress for the third time this year and get his first start at receiver, with Canadians Dhel Duncan-Busby and Ajou Ajou also getting upgraded to starter status.

Defensively, Caleb Sanders will start at defensive tackle, while Canadian cornerback Tevaughn Campbell makes his return from injury. Special teams ace Aubrey Miller Jr. is also back for linebacker depth, while American rookie Chico Bennett Jr. will make his first appearance as part of the defensive end rotation.

The Saskatchewan Roughriders (12-4) will visit the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (8-8) at Princess Auto Stadium on Friday, October 17, with kickoff slated for 8:00 p.m. EDT. The Riders are coming off a win over Toronto that allowed them to clinch first place in the West Division, while the Blue Bombers lost to Edmonton, failing to clinch a playoff spot in the process.

The weather forecast in Winnipeg calls for a high of 11 degrees with rainy conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on 620 CKRM in Regina and 680 CJOB in Winnipeg.

https://3downnation.com/2025/10/16/saskatchewan-roughriders-officially-name-qb-jake-maier-starter-against-bombers/

Quote from: Jesse on October 16, 2025, 04:46:55 PMUnfortunately, it doesn't really seem to matter what team we play or who that team is putting on the field.

Our loses this season have been entirely of our own doing. Shooting ourselves in the foot. Turning the ball over. We've likely thrown more INTs for TDs than any other teams. Turned the ball over in scoring range right before the half to give the other tam free points.

We need to manage our own mistakes or it wont matter who Sask puts on the field.

Should be near impossible for Jake Maier to beat them no matter the lineup he has at his disposal, the key will be Zach limiting turnovers and finishing drives.

I wouldn't worry about the Riders roster, who they're sitting, Maier at Qb, or their coach, focus needs to be on ourselves, as we control our own destiny, win and everything will take care of itself, lose, and there will be consequences.

Quote from: BBRT on October 16, 2025, 04:52:26 PMI could not disagree with you more. Mace has done a good job this year and Rider management has loaded the team with talent. And Mace is nothing like Chris Jones period. Give the Rider team and management credit they did a great job in 2025 with both on the field and off the field actions. They (management) did a far better job in bringing talent in then Bomber management did. And Mace appears to be a very good coach.

Funny thing is the the Riders have built a house of cards upon Trevor Harris's rickety old back, this has been his best season ever and one of the few he's managed to stay mostly healthy till the end. They've tied up first place and to congratulate their achievement President Reynolds was quick to hand out 2 year extensions to HC and GM, patting themselves on the back for a job well done, despite sucky attendance numbers.

IF the Riders come out of the West, they're going to discover as the Bombers have the last few seasons, the best team often lives in the East. Congratulations will be well earned if the Riders make the Grey Cup, but I find it hard to believe the stars will ever align well enough to repeat that experience again under Trevor Harris. 

Critical factor, the Bombers must find the next great QB before the Riders do.

Quote from: Jesse on October 16, 2025, 04:46:55 PMUnfortunately, it doesn't really seem to matter what team we play or who that team is putting on the field.

Our loses this season have been entirely of our own doing. Shooting ourselves in the foot. Turning the ball over. We've likely thrown more INTs for TDs than any other teams. Turned the ball over in scoring range right before the half to give the other tam free points.

We need to manage our own mistakes or it wont matter who Sask puts on the field.

We have certainly thrown more interceptions than any other team in the league - 26 to be precise.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 16, 2025, 05:16:17 PMShould be near impossible for Jake Maier to beat them no matter the lineup he has at his disposal, the key will be Zach limiting turnovers and finishing drives.

Grey Cup v. Arbuckle?

Quote from: ModAdmin on October 16, 2025, 06:07:21 PMWe have certainly thrown more interceptions than any other team in the league - 26 to be precise.

Not surprising, horrible fact. 

The depth chart is exactly as I would have it ideally, minus of course Demski's absence. Love that secondary with Houston and Parker, and Vaval backing up.

Like Jesse said, if we lose it will be by our own doing, which is how most of those 8 games (gross).

Ideally, we simply play Bomber ball (which we apparently only decide to do from time to time this year) and then lock up a playoff spot. Depending if second place is somehow still in place, we either get to fight for that in our last home game (god willing) or rest key players, especially Demski if he's still hurt and then we can ready ourselves for playoffs on the road. But that's all a week away....gotta go 1-0 tomorrow. LFG.

Time for the Cobb and Wheat show

When your QB's have a 21-27 TD-INT ratio... (15-16 Zach, 6-11 CS17)

Sigh

Quote from: theaardvark on October 16, 2025, 10:21:27 PMWhen your QB's have a 21-27 TD-INT ratio... (15-16 Zach, 6-11 CS17)

Sigh

terrible

Can't live in the past, can't do anything about it, let's hope ZC figures it out as we move into the most important part of the season, or else we're dead.

There should a clause in Strevelers contract that he not throw the football ever, but then again, that's our fault, its not like he ever could throw the ball, we just put in a position to throw the ball and ya, he throws 2-1 pics to TD's

Quote from: Blueforlife on October 16, 2025, 09:31:40 PMTime for the Cobb and Wheat show

Just in time for harvest

Quote from: markf on October 16, 2025, 08:50:49 PMGrey Cup v. Arbuckle?

Maier is even worse than Arbuckle. At least Arbuckle looked like he was going places when he first started out. Maier has been nothing but a sub 500 disappointment.

And Mace is no qb whisperer like Dinwiddie.

Quote from: BBRT on October 16, 2025, 04:52:26 PMI could not disagree with you more. Mace has done a good job this year and Rider management has loaded the team with talent.

Then you misunderstand. What I said and what you said can both be true simultaneously. Yes he is a good coach, and I think even better than you said because I believe his o talent is subpar. But I still definitely think he's an underhanded douche and slimeball thug. One doesn't negate the other. In fact, his good coaching and winning may be due to him being this way, just as Chris Jones was initially successfull.

Quote from: theaardvark on October 16, 2025, 10:21:27 PMWhen your QB's have a 21-27 TD-INT ratio... (15-16 Zach, 6-11 CS17)

Sigh

brutal. No where to go but up I guess in that department.

looking pretty miserable weather wise for tonight - bundle up

maybe the rain will stay away

Quote from: The Zipp on October 17, 2025, 10:56:32 AMlooking pretty miserable weather wise for tonight - bundle up

maybe the rain will stay away

Time for the Blue Bombers onesie :D

We'll see what we're made of tonight and which way we're headed.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 17, 2025, 01:18:57 PMWe'll see what we're made of tonight and which way we're headed.

A rebuild :D (Half teasing:. But If we can't beat Maier at home with everything on the line this forum won't be happy)

Quote from: The Zipp on October 17, 2025, 10:56:32 AMlooking pretty miserable weather wise for tonight - bundle up

maybe the rain will stay away

Perfect weather !! It's not cold .. February is cold !

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 17, 2025, 01:17:54 PMTime for the Blue Bombers onesie :D

Some mental images can just not be unseen.  ;)

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 17, 2025, 01:17:54 PMTime for the Blue Bombers onesie :D

That is a sight I can not get out of my mind! ;D

Quote from: theaardvark on October 16, 2025, 10:21:27 PMWhen your QB's have a 21-27 TD-INT ratio... (15-16 Zach, 6-11 CS17)

Sigh

Ouch!! That really hurts!!! Maybe both of our QB's are past their best before dates!

Quote from: Tecno on October 17, 2025, 07:35:49 AMMaier is even worse than Arbuckle. At least Arbuckle looked like he was going places when he first started out. Maier has been nothing but a sub 500 disappointment.

And Mace is no qb whisperer like Dinwiddie.

your dislike for Mace is very apparent. Not sure why? From what I can see and read he appears to be a very good coach at least so far!

Quote from: Tecno on October 17, 2025, 07:39:33 AMThen you misunderstand. What I said and what you said can both be true simultaneously. Yes he is a good coach, and I think even better than you said because I believe his o talent is subpar. But I still definitely think he's an underhanded douche and slimeball thug. One doesn't negate the other. In fact, his good coaching and winning may be due to him being this way, just as Chris Jones was initially successfull.

i have a general and well documented disdain for anything riders..i honestly never considered Mace to be any of the above.  he is actually very similar to MOS and while they may never admit it i am sure that was the riders goal - find me a coach like the one who continually beats us and lives at the grey cup game. 

well just saw that it is official, tonight's Bomber game is a sell out, that makes 13 straight. That is a big achievement, and the bomber organization deserves a "job well done".

Best fans in the CFL, and the loudest.

Weather should be decent, rain % lower now, wind to die down.  Going to be fun.  It's game day, we all play.

Quote from: Pigskin on October 17, 2025, 06:33:05 PMBest fans in the CFL, and the loudest.

HAHA, best is such a subjective word. Most fans in the CFL attending games, yes. Best...well lets not get ahead of ourselves.

i think fans thought it was a 7:30 start. 

vavs coughs up an ugly one

Bomber player clearly tackled, ref right there, no call on the touchdown dive.

cobb is better than corcoran

we are winning this game 48-10

special teams looking weak

Quote from: jayrock on October 17, 2025, 08:08:21 PMHAHA, best is such a subjective word. Most fans in the CFL attending games, yes. Best...well lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Ya, I knew that would draw a response from you Jayrock, and agree, Rider Nation is a pretty formidable bunch!! I remember as a kid from southern Ontario travelling through Regina on the Labour Day long weekend and we were staying at this hotel on Albert St, and all these football fans were going crazy, some in blue and some in green, cheering like crazy and we asked the front desk, what's this all about and we were told there was a football game in town and we couldn't figure that out because Argo fans NEVER got that stoked about the Ticats coming to town!!!

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 12:22:03 AMwe are winning this game 48-10

Just tuned in, I see we have to score 41 straight points to meet your score!!

How the heck did the Rider backups score 10 points in half a quarter!?!?!

strev is so useless if he has to do anything other than run

Quote from: dd on October 18, 2025, 12:29:23 AMJust tuned in, I see we have to score 41 straight points to meet your score!!

How the heck did the Rider backups score 10 points in half a quarter!?!?!

vavs fumbled opening kickoff

i made my score prediction when 7-7

"Eliminate mistakes"

So far they are not doing this.

Fumble,  drops, penalties.

Keep this up, they'll lose.

sterns drops an easy easy first down


focus is not there yet

wilson looks pretty hurt - threw his helmet on the sidelines

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 01:05:05 AMwilson looks pretty hurt - threw his helmet on the sidelines

he is back

Dumb mistake by Brady. Offside cancelled a nice gain.

Team has Zero intensity.  Fans showed up, so far the team hasn't.

189 to 30 net yards for the bombers and yet it's 10-10

sheehan has to make that punt stick instead of a single point

strev is so bad

hogan should be fired

the play calling this quarter has been awful, and the we are shooting ourselves in the foot

Mike O'Shea gambling on 3rd and 2 from centre field gifts the rider points before halftime...nice  ::)

Are we trying to lose this game? Two turnovers result in 10 points. Penalty when we were 1st and goal results in a FG instead of a TD.

Riders haven't done much if anything but benefit on our errors.

Hindsight is great but I thought the 3rd and 2 gamble was poor judgment and even worse execution.

And this against a team sitting about 7 or 8 starters? Yikes.

It's an embarrassment
Mistakes, stupid penalties, bad coaching

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 18, 2025, 01:24:26 AMAre we trying to lose this game? Two turnovers result in 10 points. Penalty when we were 1st and goal results in a FG instead of a TD.

Riders haven't done much if anything but benefit on our errors.

Hindsight is great but I thought the 3rd and 2 gamble was poor judgment and even worse execution.

And this against a team sitting about 7 or 8 starters? Yikes.

Can you imagine what the score would look like if the Riders fielded their starting lineup? Looks like the Rider backups are better than what we have as a starting team. For Christmas I would like a new OC Please!

Quote from: bunker on October 18, 2025, 01:29:39 AMIt's an embarrassment
Mistakes, stupid penalties, bad coaching

Mistakes and stupid penalties are partly due to bad coaching aren't they?

OShea looks a bit lost.

2nd and 7 we call a running play  using up the clock with less than 2 minutes, then with 2 yards streveler tries to push up the middle, every game the lack of creativity is on display while we get suckered with trick plays each game

What a stupid call on second and three. I'm done with Hogan, he needs to be fired

Brooks Jr. for Sask has made a number of good plays.

Quote from: bunker on October 18, 2025, 01:42:36 AMWhat a stupid call on second and three. I'm done with Hogan, he needs to be fired

and get some better olinemen

If you want Hogan gone does that mean that MOS has to go also because that was his pick?

going into this game given the rider roster the two things that needed to be emphasized was dont turn over the ball and dont take penalties ..failure on both counts

Again, the team is showing they cant play sound football in any of the 3 areas of the game - at least not in the same game.

dumb and untimely penalties
unimaginative O
D that gets tricked often


It will take a minor miracle for this team to get to a 6th straight cup.

Bomber receivers can't block to save their lives.

neufeld and Kolo are getting beat regularly

I don't even think the riders are playing full throttle in this game. This is embarrassing.

Quote from: markf on October 18, 2025, 01:56:26 AMBomber receivers can't block to save their lives.

clercius just gets run around.  he is too slow

Quote from: Blue72 on October 18, 2025, 01:45:09 AMIf you want Hogan gone does that mean that MOS has to go also because that was his pick?

At this point, I don't feel strongly one way or the other. Every coach has their expiry date.

the incredible younger 2 man rush is proving to be useless.

ZC just isn't the same QB, even Maier is making the throws to open receivers, our guys either can't get open or their routes are terrible.

It really is. Man we are playing for our playoff lives, we lose and its over. our offense STINKS!!! Not having Demski hurts, but seriously, step up !!

Strevs on short yardage doesn't get it, come on man, that is nothing but heart and desire and we don't have it. No sense of urgency

this offence looks totally disjointed

get serious, thats our trick play?

Why are we passing on first and five?

fade pass to Eli??

then a procedure call against him

offense looks beaten

With such a weak QB that Sask has going now why are we just rushing 3 and giving him all day to throw. That extra guy we have in our back on D isn't doing much.

zach absolutely rocked on a stupid play call

lol....*** is going on out there......is this sandlot football?!?

This late in the season we should not be having Illegal Procedure or offside penalties on O.

we were likely that wasnt picked

if you took the total of all our 3rd quarters this year id be surprised if we had more than 14 points and now our defense looks tired

Collaros HAS to hit a wide open 65!!

Nice whiff Neufeld, Collaros likely gone for the night

Quote from: Blue72 on October 18, 2025, 01:45:09 AMIf you want Hogan gone does that mean that MOS has to go also because that was his pick?

Yes.  Keeping MOS after this season is just going to draw out the inevitable rebuild we need.

sask has 8 rushing yards after 3 quarters

who is drawing up these plays!!??

Quote from: Go_Big_D on October 18, 2025, 02:06:11 AMlol....*** is going on out there......is this sandlot football?!?

Quote from: Go_Big_D on October 18, 2025, 02:08:43 AMwho is drawing up these plays!!??

All indications would be someone who is blind and deaf.  How many yards have we lost on those stupid swing passes 5 yards behind the line.  Or better question, do we actually have a positive gain on it.

sask punter is owning us 

Does Hogan actually understand what 10 yards looks like?

wow.  how about trying brady?

zach is getting killed

Collaros is now bailing out early, not that I blame him. And yet we do nothing different to protect him
How about going to a deeper drop, bring in extra blocking etc

riders 4th string qb is in to mop things up

Quote from: BlueInCgy on October 18, 2025, 02:11:21 AMAll indications would be someone who is blind and deaf.  How many yards have we lost on those stupid swing passes 5 yards behind the line.  Or better question, do we actually have a positive gain on it.

with those plays....no one is out there to block...makes no sense at all

Bad team is bad.

I would be rolling out vs drop back and get killed . Our O line is just dreadful. Koko and Neufeld being beaten badly and often.

Well it will be really embarrassing if Sask 3rd QB makes plays against us.

Zach is lost.  I'm 10th row bomber side line

Quote from: Horseman on October 18, 2025, 02:18:24 AMWell it will be really embarrassing if Sask 3rd QB makes plays against us.

We  will make him "End Zone Coan", just watch

How has Zac lost his ability to read a defense so badly? he goes deep to a reciever thats blanket covered and then he throws a short pass that  lucky he underthrew as the defender was right there

Quote from: BlueInCgy on October 18, 2025, 02:11:21 AMAll indications would be someone who is blind and deaf.  How many yards have we lost on those stupid swing passes 5 yards behind the line.  Or better question, do we actually have a positive gain on it.

I don't know why we don't do quick slants or drags over the middle, going to get you 6-7 yards minimum, nope, let's swing it behind the LOS. It's awful play calling. So much needs to be overhauled, starting with new OC

When was ZC last completion, I don't recall.

THE GREY CUP IS WHERE THIS YEAR?????

We have been "OUT COACHED" and out played this whole year on both O and D.

Are we really going to roll with ZC next year?

Wheatfall disappointing tonight. Has he made a play??

Quote from: Ducky on October 18, 2025, 02:17:29 AMBad team is bad.

more truth has never been spoken

24 yards of offense in the 2nd half

this has been going on all season. 

Boo birds coming out, don't blame them, this is absolutely the worst offense I have seen in years, we're really bad.

Get out of the pocket and start making plays vs sit back, get sacked or have a pass knocked down. Try something, we're running out of time!!

Hogan has got to go at the end of the year, regardless if we come back and win a cup.

a preseason game has more drama/excitement

Quote from: Ricky Bobby on October 18, 2025, 02:22:09 AMHogan has got to go at the end of the year, regardless if we come back and win a cup.

He should never have been put in the position he was. Totally over his head.

Riders have no fear of this year's Bombers at all.

Quote from: Ricky Bobby on October 18, 2025, 02:22:09 AMHogan has got to go at the end of the year, regardless if we come back and win a cup.

are you serious? and im not talking about the firing part

Sask 3rd string Qb making us look sick!!! More yards on one play than we have had in the second half!!

Well, at least the Bombers won't lose four Grey Cups in a row.

lauther is going to cost the riders a grey cup

What happened with COBB, or Hogan isn't calling his number anymore

Imagine if this team did not discover Vaval? 

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 02:26:52 AMlauther is going to cost the riders a grey cup

That makes me remember the glorious Sask dozen (13) play in the GC against Mtl, where Mtl missed the FG BUT Sask had 13 m3n on the filed and Mtl got a re-kick and made it to win the GC. My favourite and fondest memory.

Quote from: Ducky on October 18, 2025, 02:28:25 AMImagine if this team did not discover Vaval? 

We'd already have been eliminated from the playoff picture

i guess brady isn't an option anymore

Brooks Jr. again, he has played well for Sask.

Collaros is fully in Broken Buck mode.

Zac has been given no time this entire half and we call a long bomb in the rain...its beyond stupid

this is bad football all around

I cant see how the fans in the stands can be happy with what is happening on the field

Quit throwing to Wheatfall, Collaros is getting smoked throwing it and he gives up on running his route. Cut him on the spot. We need players who will compete. There's too many people riding the bus on this team, either make a play or find someone who at least wants to!!

We have 12 yds passing in the second half, sooooo, lets keep passing it!?!?! Run the dam ball you moron, you have the best running back in the league and you have a 2 point game. Honest to god this is so frustrating watching this junky offense.

We were so spoiled with this team for 4+ years, only spoiled by failures at the biggest game of the year.

That team is broken. 

I am holding all hope on a Canadian QB saviour coming north next season. 

Picked off of course! ***

a bad pick now. 

run the ball!!!

that has to be the game

Noodle arm throws another pick.  The best thing that can happen to this team is to miss the playoffs at this point.

Zach is done
Cannot bring him back for another year

And we throw a pick when in field goal range. Mr Hogan , you're fired!!! We literally had the lead there, all we had to do is hold onto the ball. Do you not understand the game of football??

we're in field goal range and we still dont use Brady we deserve what we get

Quote from: dd on October 18, 2025, 02:36:04 AMAnd we throw a pick when in field goal range. Mr Hogan , you're fired!!! We literally had the lead there, all we had to do is hold onto the ball. Do you not understand the game of football??

Hogan is an idiot
As is MOS for hiring him

Quote from: bunker on October 18, 2025, 02:36:00 AMZach is done
Cannot bring him back for another year

Oh we will....just watch.  No one has the stones to do what needs to be done to this team.  We've been in denial of the decline over the last few seasons and this is the result.

Well, they have 3 minutes to score 3 points. 

Quote from: Pete on October 18, 2025, 02:36:13 AMwe're in field goal range and we still dont use Brady we deserve what we get

I hear ya Pete. We called the play we shouldn't have called. Run Brady up the gut, Castillo kicks a FG, we have the lead. Nope, lets throw into double coverage.

We need to move on from ZC next season.

Quote from: BlueInCgy on October 18, 2025, 02:37:40 AMOh we will....just watch.  No one has the stones to do what needs to be done to this team.  We've been in denial of the decline over the last few seasons and this is the result.

We did it to Andrew Harris, we did it to Bighill, Collaros's turn now.

collaros signed for another year....how sad and why

Oshea hasn't talked to Zach once in 4th quarter

Wow look what happens when we give Brady the ball, go figure.

Can we please not screw this up?

Now go for it on 3rd and 1

Oh my gosh, we ran Brady up the gut for a 12 yard gain. No,no,no, let's go back to our bogus passing game!!! That's too many yards in one play, and besides, who knew Brady could run like that, oh wait, EVERYBODY!!!!

DD we have to move on to a lot including coaching on both sides, Oline, and pass rush plus NO 3 man rush

Quote from: dd on October 18, 2025, 02:39:44 AMWe did it to Andrew Harris, we did it to Bighill, Collaros's turn now.

Except it's way more than Collaros that needs to go.

just run the ball

I can't believe we are going to win

Count our lucky stars!

somehow, it doesnt seem like much of a victory

I guess they dont ask how but geeze was that ugly. How did we not go to Olivera earlier

Luke Wilson gave the game ball to the Bomber fans! Great job everyone! Sad that I had to miss being there tonight.

Feeling a big old meh with this Bombers win...

Quote from: Pete on October 18, 2025, 02:50:20 AMI guess they dont ask how but geeze was that ugly. How did we not go to Olivera earlier

The reason we did not go to Olivera earlier is that we have a pitiful O.C. who if there is any hope for us in 2026, will be long gone.

Wilson for QB for next week, Zach needs to heal

I'll take the win but we played badly from the opening K/O.

Yes Collaros did not have a good game. Not even an average game. All that said our OL is a sieve and I really question the quality of our receivers as a group.

Wheatfall makes the odd play but there is something wrong. Either it's due to deeper routes and not time for Collaros, crappy play calling or he's not an effective route runner.

Cobb looked ok early but they stopped using him.

Turnovers cost us 10 points. Houston taking a PI on the goal line was a bad start 2 plays into the game. Streveler going for it on 3rd and 2 was a bad call I thought even before the effort failed.

Riders had less than 200 yards of offence but a bunch of 2nd and 3rd stringers, so it's not a surprise.

Our inability to move the ball consistently even though we must have won the TOP. We had 6 more minutes in the 1st half alone.

Penalties and more penalties took many point off the board potentially.

I think we'll be the crossover team but I'm honestly not sure it will matter. While I don't want to be negative this was the 2nd stinker in a row and 3rd in the last 4 games even though we won 2 of them.

Quote from: BlueInCgy on October 18, 2025, 02:43:31 AMExcept it's way more than Collaros that needs to go.

Our offense looked like we had second rate receivers and O line all night. Our o line can't block to save their souls, so run some screen passes, snap it on touch, go on a 2 count. Nope, we just keep doing the same crap over and over again. Hogan isn't even a good JV OC. He has no game awareness, what's working, what's not, what to move to, just keep calling the same crap. Our offense hasn't looked this bad since the first year MOS took over and he had to fire that OC. He's smart enough to know Hogan has got to go, thing is is MOS even going to be back next year!?! Maybe he retires vs rebuild.

Milt was right Collaros should retire.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 18, 2025, 03:03:47 AMI'll take the win but we played badly from the opening K/O.

Yes Collaros did not have a good game. Not even an average game. All that said our OL is a sieve and I really question the quality of our receivers as a group.

Wheatfall makes the odd play but there is something wrong. Either it's due to deeper routes and not time for Collaros, crappy play calling or he's not an effective route runner.

Cobb looked ok early but they stopped using him.

Turnovers cost us 10 points. Houston taking a PI on the goal line was a bad start 2 plays into the game. Streveler going for it on 3rd and 2 was a bad call I thought even before the effort failed.

Riders had less than 200 yards of offence but a bunch of 2nd and 3rd stringers, so it's not a surprise.

Our inability to move the ball consistently even though we must have won the TOP. We had 6 more minutes in the 1st half alone.

Penalties and more penalties took many point off the board potentially.

I think we'll be the crossover team but I'm honestly not sure it will matter. While I don't want to be negative this was the 2nd stinker in a row and 3rd in the last 4 games even though we won 2 of them.

I agree with your comments! Really does not matter if we go east or stay west we will be one and done! Our OL is the worse I have seen in years and to be honest our DL is not really that much better. Plus we must have the worse OC in the league.

Quote from: Pete on October 18, 2025, 02:50:20 AMI guess they dont ask how but geeze was that ugly. How did we not go to Olivera earlier

Classic pissing contest!

Zach with the pick I thought we were done.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 18, 2025, 03:03:47 AMI'll take the win but we played badly from the opening K/O.

Yes Collaros did not have a good game. Not even an average game. All that said our OL is a sieve and I really question the quality of our receivers as a group.

Wheatfall makes the odd play but there is something wrong. Either it's due to deeper routes and not time for Collaros, crappy play calling or he's not an effective route runner.

Cobb looked ok early but they stopped using him.

Turnovers cost us 10 points. Houston taking a PI on the goal line was a bad start 2 plays into the game. Streveler going for it on 3rd and 2 was a bad call I thought even before the effort failed.

Riders had less than 200 yards of offence but a bunch of 2nd and 3rd stringers, so it's not a surprise.

Our inability to move the ball consistently even though we must have won the TOP. We had 6 more minutes in the 1st half alone.

Penalties and more penalties took many point off the board potentially.

I think we'll be the crossover team but I'm honestly not sure it will matter. While I don't want to be negative this was the 2nd stinker in a row and 3rd in the last 4 games even though we won 2 of them.

Ya optimistically we get the crossover, realistically we re one and done in the playoffs. Massive rebuild next year on the offensive side of the ball, O line and receivers especially. Keep sterns, Demski and Wilson and absolutely flush everybody else. Cobb will be a decent backup but he isn't 1st stringer material. Wheatfall- barf!! Seen enough, had enough of his mediocre efforts. Next.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 18, 2025, 03:10:04 AMClassic pissing contest!

Zach with the pick I thought we were done.

I just don't get the play call or the throw there. Sergio can kick it from there and we call a pass and throw into double coverage. It was so wrong on multiple levels it was sad.

And face it, the riders just gave that game to us. They pull 8 starters and then they put their third stringer Qb in, they really didn't want us to lose really.

Hogan needs to follow his true calling and go be a roadie for Hardy.

Quote from: dd on October 18, 2025, 03:13:27 AMI just don't get the play call or the throw there. Sergio can kick it from there and we call a pass and throw into double coverage. It was so wrong on multiple levels it was sad.

And face it, the riders just gave that game to us. They pull 8 starters and then they put their third stringer Qb in, they really didn't want us to lose really.

yep, a pretty horse crap game all in all.  They gave it to us to avoid us the buggers.

I don't know who would be afraid to play this sad sack bunch of misfits. We are bad, just barely better than Ottawa, barely. And when it comes really down to it, Edmonton deserves the last playoff spot, they just waited too long to switch from hopeless ford at Qb, and that's on them

Quote from: dd on October 18, 2025, 03:40:27 AMI don't know who would be afraid to play this sad sack bunch of misfits. We are bad, just barely better than Ottawa, barely. And when it comes really down to it, Edmonton deserves the last playoff spot, they just waited too long to switch from hopeless ford at Qb, and that's on them

Edmonton is looking so much better than us right now it's not even funny.  The only reason we don't miss the playoffs entirely is Tre Ford.

The thing is, no team is looking good. Not really. If we were able to put it together even a tiny bit I would feel so confident. But we just manage to look worse each week.

Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2025, 03:46:58 AMThe thing is, no team is looking good. Not really. If we were able to put it together even a tiny bit I would feel so confident. But we just manage to look worse each week.

Tonight was another level of bad. Vaval fumbling a return, strev not getting it on 3rd and 2, us going for it on 3rd and 2!!, our play calling was horrible, our pass pro even worse and Collaros even worse than that. Our offense is lifeless. No energy or enthusiasm. We used to have Harris and hardrick firing the boys up, Brady tries but when you take him out of the game by passing the ball and going 2 and out, or throwing picks, that sucks the life out of you. Our OC doesn't get game planning period. He's an absolute embarrassment to the profession of offensive coordinator.

It all might depend on whether Demski is healthy and can play. He's one of two keys to our offence.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 18, 2025, 04:00:17 AMIt all might depend on whether Demski is healthy and can play. He's one of two keys to our offence.

Sure, but he's been healthy all season and we've been terrible.

Quote from: Ducky on October 18, 2025, 01:50:17 AMAgain, the team is showing they cant play sound football in any of the 3 areas of the game - at least not in the same game.

dumb and untimely penalties
unimaginative O
D that gets tricked often


It will take a minor miracle for this team to get to a 6th straight cup.

Only a minor miracle?! I think a parting of the Red Sea is more likely than Bombers get to the Cup this season!

Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2025, 04:05:43 AMSure, but he's been healthy all season and we've been terrible.

True enough. Gone are Lawler and schoen, replaced by training camp fodder. Wilson is a decent #3 and makes the occasional play but we need a #1 play maker, a Hatcher or Lewis or Mack, who can consistently make big plays and put up yards, we don't have that so who's going to make plays for us, THATS our problem. Our passing attack is absolutely dreadful from play design to personnel. Put the ball into playmakers hands they say,  trouble is we don't have any

And the stupid thing is, when our passing game is stinking, we don't give Brady the ball to at least move the chains. So we take the best running back in he game out of the game, and try to pass to receivers who couldn't make any other ball club but ours

Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2025, 04:05:43 AMSure, but he's been healthy all season and we've been terrible.

And the real tough part is is we are trending downwards, playing poorer as the weeks go on, while Edmonton shows us how a team is supposed to compete for their playoff lives. Too bad they waited too late to yank tre ford, cost them the season.

Quote from: bunker on October 18, 2025, 01:59:23 AMAt this point, I don't feel strongly one way or the other. Every coach has their expiry date.

O'Shea gets a mulligan for all he has done for this team and Winnipeg itself. He needs to aid in the shakeup for next season though. Hogan should be canned the day after they are officially knocked out. Same old Same old WILL NOT CUT IT NEXT SEASON!

Quote from: Horseman on October 18, 2025, 02:29:03 AMThat makes me remember the glorious Sask dozen (13) play in the GC against Mtl, where Mtl missed the FG BUT Sask had 13 m3n on the filed and Mtl got a re-kick and made it to win the GC. My favourite and fondest memory.

I was at that game in Calgary. The friend I was with thought the game was over but
i saw the flag flying as the Montreal kicker hoofed the fg wide.

this isn't a good football team having an off games or couple of games.  this is a bad football team, we are in the final week of the season and they are looking like it's week 2 or 3...that's a poorly coached team with a lack of talent. 

we have seen those bad teams play and we are them.  edmonton is better, we are a small notch ahead of the redblacks. 

MOS is no longer effective he is too close to the team and won't make the hard decisions so wade and kyle need to step in. 

Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 18, 2025, 04:16:14 AMO'Shea gets a mulligan for all he has done for this team and Winnipeg itself. He needs to aid in the shakeup for next season though. Hogan should be canned the day after they are officially knocked out. Same old Same old WILL NOT CUT IT NEXT SEASON!

Agree, but MOS always defends zach, always, I just can't see him not having him back. I don't even think he ll cut Hogan, I think it will have to come down from miller and maybe that's when MOs parts ways. I just don't see him going against 'his guys'

Quote from: bunker on October 18, 2025, 02:36:00 AMZach is done
Cannot bring him back for another year

Maybe if he is willing to be a backup as we have NO backup right now! Lots of changes required on this team for next season. Wade and GM and O'Shea better be thinking clearly as if not much changes as next season begins, a major fan revolt could occur! ;)

Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2025, 03:46:58 AMThe thing is, no team is looking good. Not really.

This is so true.  SSK really isn't that good, they just believe they are, and that's dangerous, but beatable.  Their O has the run and the short pass, that's it, and if you hit Trevor once he's done.

MTL should be world-beating but they are having trouble bringing it all together, which is a bit odd.  Maybe Alexander being out >50% of the season has put in too much rust.

HAM's a joke because BLM is hopelessly inconsistent and they rely too much on Kenny.

BC is probably the best complete team right now, but they have weaknesses on D, and Rourke is still young and can be fooled.  And as a running QB he may pull a Kelly any day now.

Yes, if we could just act like we did vs HAM, we could beat anyone.  But that's a big IF.  There seems to be major mental impediments, and basically no time to figure it out.

Quote from: Sway on October 18, 2025, 02:40:12 AMOshea hasn't talked to Zach once in 4th quarter

This isn't abnormal.  Zach has talked about how he likes to keep to himself in between series.

Quote from: markf on October 18, 2025, 01:56:26 AMBomber receivers can't block to save their lives.

So true, sadly.  Watch how other teams kill us with the hitch screen: their guys are holding like mad, blocking any attempt to approach the carrier.  And it works and they get big yards, against most teams.

Then we try a hitch screen and the D's walk past the blockers, who are mostly blocking air, and they whack the carrier right when the ball arrives.  It's sad and pathetic and I hate it.  It's like we throw in a token hitch screen 1-2 times a game just to keep the D honest.  I think it worked out well once this season... out of how many tries?

What coach do we blame for this??  Smack him upside the head (figuratively).

Quote from: Pete on October 18, 2025, 01:36:09 AMevery game the lack of creativity is on display while we get suckered with trick plays each game

Teams should just flea-flicker and trick-play us to death.  We fall for it and get rekt every single time.  It's frankly pathetic.  This is guys abandoning their assignment and not being mentally sound.

I wonder... how much of our flea flicker problem is due to the fact that we rely heavily on DBs to come up in run support.  It's a function of our 3 man concept.  There is no DL to stop runs, and the LBers are sometimes doing other things, so every DB needs to be aware of run support.  So as soon as they see (or hear!) "RUN" then often drop their assignments -- because it's drilled into them they need to help on the run.  Thus the success of flea flickers.

Quote from: jayrock on October 17, 2025, 06:12:30 PMwell just saw that it is official, tonight's Bomber game is a sell out

It is a great job, and the $ numbers will be stellar this year.  However, big chunks of my section (a nearly all-STer section) was empty.  I guess the weather scared a lot away and they didn't bother to unload on stubhub.

I'm not complaining, but it does change the atmosphere a bit, and makes the "sell out" look weak on TV.  C'mon all, we're not SSK!  We show up!!

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 04:25:13 AMMOS is no longer effective he is too close to the team and won't make the hard decisions so wade and kyle need to step in.

Wow.  I expect that from us in the peanut gallery... but from a MOD!  Is that allowed?   :o  :o  :o

Quote from: dd on October 18, 2025, 04:26:48 AMI don't even think he ll cut Hogan, I think it will have to come down from miller and maybe that's when MOs parts ways. I just don't see him going against 'his guys'

I told y'all: cut Hogan and get who?  Hogan is being vastly underpaid compared to a "real" OC.  And it has to be that way because MOS/KW are already eating vast swathes of the coaches cap.  So, in a way, you may be correct, because the only way you get a real OC is if you clear up the cap space by firing MOS or KW.

(ALL of the above is my educated opinion.  No, I don't know anything for a fact.  But prove me wrong... or wait and see results that confirm my hypothesis -- no one has offered a better one that fits what we've seen.)

My money is on status quo, including Hogan, for '26.  The only alternative is a huge blowup.

Quote from: Tecno on October 18, 2025, 07:17:46 AMIt is a great job, and the $ numbers will be stellar this year.  However, big chunks of my section (a nearly all-STer section) was empty.  I guess the weather scared a lot away and they didn't bother to unload on stubhub.

I'm not complaining, but it does change the atmosphere a bit, and makes the "sell out" look weak on TV.  C'mon all, we're not SSK!  We show up!!

Calling yesterday's game a sellout seemed like a ridiculous claim to me. It looked like about 25,000 people were there, best case scenario. You mean to tell me 5,000+ people just didn't come or unload there tickets. Come on give me a break. Something fishy is going in there.

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 04:25:13 AMthis isn't a good football team having an off games or couple of games.  this is a bad football team, we are in the final week of the season and they are looking like it's week 2 or 3...that's a poorly coached team with a lack of talent. 

we have seen those bad teams play and we are them.  edmonton is better, we are a small notch ahead of the redblacks. 

MOS is no longer effective he is too close to the team and won't make the hard decisions so wade and kyle need to step in. 

Go back to the grey cup game where he let bighill play despite not being 100%. A coaches responsibility to the team/players is to put the best team out regardless. Has MOS done that enuff times for this team to be a winner since then...including selection of coaching staff

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 18, 2025, 08:02:11 AMCalling yesterday's game a sellout seemed like a ridiculous claim to me. It looked like about 25,000 people were there, best case scenario. You mean to tell me 5,000+ people just didn't come or unload there tickets. Come on give me a break. Something fishy is going in there.

Keep in mind most tickets were already sold. It was just the last thousand or so that was "papered" with ticket giveaways and discounts, etc.

Both my and my friend's wife bailed tonight. There's just a bunch of people who don't want to sit in the rain and cold, even if they paid for tickets.

Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2025, 01:37:44 PMKeep in mind most tickets were already sold. It was just the last thousand or so that was "papered" with ticket giveaways and discounts, etc.

Both my and my friend's wife bailed tonight. There's just a bunch of people who don't want to sit in the rain and cold, even if they paid for tickets.

the 7:00 start fooled a bunch of people or they just couldn't get there with traffic on time. 7:30 people were still coming in

Some simple truths:

Jason Hogan is horrible.

Collaros is worth $375,000 plus incentives. $75,000 should be marketing money. Sign some autographs, Zach.

Stanley Bryant and Jake Thomas should retire.

Chris Streveler needs to be released this off season.

Sheahan punts the ugliest footballs I have ever seen a professional football player kick. Played okay. Still got out punted.

Brady Oliveira needs to be more involved in the passing game if we're not going to run it into a crowded box or we pay him less.

This team is one and done in the playoffs. That was one of the worst performances that has resulted in a win that I've ever seen. Beaten only by the win in Ottawa this year. In recent memory, anyway.

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 01:51:21 PMthe 7:00 start fooled a bunch of people or they just couldn't get there with traffic on time. 7:30 people were still coming in

It was definitely more empty than most games, even after everyone was there.

Quote from: Tecno on October 18, 2025, 07:07:09 AMYes, if we could just act like we did vs HAM, we could beat anyone.  But that's a big IF.

I just can't imagine putting 3 good games together in a row. One game is possible but that's not the situation we are in.

Quote from: The Zipp on October 18, 2025, 04:25:13 AMMOS is no longer effective he is too close to the team and won't make the hard decisions so wade and kyle need to step in. 

It may have to come down to this. With any kind of quarterbacking we are in the hunt with the top teams. If MOS won't let go of the Zach/Strev tandem we are going to have a 2026 season that gets us a first overall draft pick.

Anyone still supporting Zach, I just don't know what you are watching. Can't throw consistently, can't run. 38 next year. We HAVE to move on.

Man what an ugly win. I'll take it, but let's be real, we aren't going anywhere in the playoffs.

If the Riders simply run on 2nd and 2 instead of expecting their 3rd string QB to throw for first downs twice, they win. Even if they only get a yard they go for it on 3rd and 1 and continue two additional drives.

Wow Zach is coming un-tethered, never seen him so uncomfortable in front of the cameras before.

Ya the Oshea stoicism trust the process philosophy bordering on gas lighting the fans is wearing really thin.

Atleast Brady showed some emotion, feel bad for him.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 18, 2025, 02:56:11 PMWow Zach is coming un-tethered, never seen him so uncomfortable in front of the cameras before.

Wow, good on Zach to show some emotion, he's really friggin p*ssed at the offense and he's holding his tongue but you can tell he's not happy with the play calling and not happy with the execution, some of it on him and some of it on his recievers. They have to help him out and run better routes, GET OPEN, and catch the flippin ball. Was totally disappointed in Wheatfall last night, I'd put Mitchell in next game and bench him. Cobb was a pleasant surprise, he can be our #5 check down guy, that's not the problem, recievers 1-3 aren't making plays, that's the problem. O line is horrible, not giving Collaros time, and getting him absolutely POUNDED, for the love of god, roll him out to preserve his health, not drop back and watch his hoggies whiff block after block. Brutal to watch.

Defence with the exception of one play by Houston played very well. How do we keep getting suckered on those kinds of plays. 2nd play of the game and the Riders end up on our goal line. Geez.

That said only 1 sack against their # 2 and # 3 QB's.  Pressure wasn't the greatest and it wouldn't have survived a better QB playing IMO.

Not quite as ugly as CS17's 3 reception win, but butt ugly.  Milt was really excited about the result in the post game.

I went to thje game, my son in law to be was supposed to come with me, but accidentally locked my daughter out of their condo, and had to go back in the middle of a lot of traffic, so I went alone.  The pregame meal was pretty good actually.

The first half was terrible to watch, and made worse by sitting alone and having some seat vagabonds squatting it the seats behind me and having some very annoying and very loud discussions. 

The halftime Mascots vs. Kids game was much more entertaining than the first half, and with the rain incoming, I bolted for the car to get home and watch the end on the TV.

One more game at home, and then off to the East. 

That was beyond ugly despite the end result.

Hogan needs to be fired. He should've never been promoted in the first place.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2025, 11:40:44 PMThat was beyond ugly despite the end result.

Hogan needs to be fired. He should've never been promoted in the first place.

You're right. Apparently all of us nay sayers at the first of the season were right,never ever should have been promoted to OC. This offense has never looked this bad

Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2025, 01:37:44 PMBoth my and my friend's wife bailed tonight. There's just a bunch of people who don't want to sit in the rain and cold, even if they paid for tickets.

We were debating whether to take my 6yo daughter.  10C is around the cut off without going full snowpants, etc.  But we decided to try, plopped on 4 layers (top and bottom -- no snowpants).

Worked out great.  Barely noticed the rain from our covered 200-level spot, and our Bomber bucket hats.  More than warm enough, too.  My point being... tell your seat-mates that if a 6yo can do it...

Glad we went.  Was a nice time, overall.  Even went on-field after.

Quote from: dd on October 19, 2025, 12:07:45 AMYou're right. Apparently all of us nay sayers at the first of the season were right,never ever should have been promoted to OC. This offense has never looked this bad

Tommy Condell might be available next year, I never cared for his disregard for the running game but apparently Zach likes him.

We talked with Captain Blue and his airplane post-game.  He confirmed the engine did NOT blow up in the HAM game as my son said.  He said the drive chain broke!  So no new engine.  Still has the nice put-putter engine.

Quote from: Waffler on October 18, 2025, 02:50:44 PMAnyone still supporting Zach, I just don't know what you are watching. Can't throw consistently, can't run. 38 next year. We HAVE to move on.

I still support Zach.  Give him a real OL, then I'll re-evaluate my stance.

You did see how many times Zach got creamed in this game, right?  You did see how many times a short delay or little stunt let a pass rusher go straight to Zach, right?

Zach has never been a QB who can take hits.  He is a QB who you need to protect.  He's not supposed to be young'n like Rourke or Alexander.  He's geriatric and any team designed around him should have a top OL.  Shame on KW for giving him this sad sack 2025 OL.

I have zero doubt Zach was majorly bruised and hurtin' from this game, maybe even "medium" level injury that he'll have to play through.

Quote from: TBURGESS on October 18, 2025, 02:53:48 PMIf the Riders simply run on 2nd and 2 instead of expecting their 3rd string QB to throw for first downs twice

I noticed SSK had a pass-mostly plan all night, especially after the first half.  I think they saw that Maier was having some success with the short/mid passes and rolled with it.

I was kind of surprised.  I thought with the junky QBs they would have gone run-mostly.  Their Anderson kid hasn't looked too bad.  Maybe SSK just wanted to get a ton of live passing reps for their 2 QBs, and they really didn't care about the W, even for pride.

Quote from: theaardvark on October 18, 2025, 09:13:03 PMThe first half was terrible to watch, and made worse by sitting alone and having some seat vagabonds squatting it the seats behind me and having some very annoying and very loud discussions. 

How on earth are there "seat vagabonds" in Pinnacle?  I thought you needed proof of Pinnacle tickets to get in the door?

As for "loud discussions", if it was about football, then that's the whole point of going to games!  If they were discussing Taylor Swift's love life, then ya, I feel ya.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 19, 2025, 02:35:08 AMTommy Condell might be available next year, I never cared for his disregard for the running game but apparently Zach likes him.

I can see that happening. Hogan back to RB coach, JJ to Qb coach and Condell OC

Quote from: Tecno on October 19, 2025, 02:32:40 AMWe were debating whether to take my 6yo daughter.  10C is around the cut off without going full snowpants, etc.  But we decided to try, plopped on 4 layers (top and bottom -- no snowpants).

Worked out great.  Barely noticed the rain from our covered 200-level spot, and our Bomber bucket hats.  More than warm enough, too.  My point being... tell your seat-mates that if a 6yo can do it...

Glad we went.  Was a nice time, overall.  Even went on-field after.

Meh. It's for entertainment. If you're not going to enjoy it, stay home.

Quote from: Tecno on October 19, 2025, 02:43:45 AMI still support Zach.  Give him a real OL, then I'll re-evaluate my stance.

You did see how many times Zach got creamed in this game, right?  You did see how many times a short delay or little stunt let a pass rusher go straight to Zach, right?

I did and it means absolutely nothing to me. I evaluate his skills as a passer and runner and judge him against his peers in the league. I said in the "ugly" thread how different, how much more successful we would be with Rourke throwing darts and dropping dimes as they say. Zach is no longer capable. When watching those two operate back to back the difference is jarring. Even Adams put him to shame Saturday night.

If we follow your line of thinking that it is everyone's fault EXCEPT Zach, I am 100% sure we will have the first overall pick in spring of 2027. I really am of the opinion that any kind of quality quarterbacking gets us in the fight with the top teams rather than being the sacrificial lamb holding down the crossover.

Maybe you'd be willing to rate the starting passers 1 to 9 here?  On CFL.ca they have Zach at 7th. I think myself he should be at 10th.

Quote from: Waffler on October 19, 2025, 02:04:42 PMI did and it means absolutely nothing to me. I evaluate his skills as a passer and runner and judge him against his peers in the league. I said in the "ugly" thread how different, how much more successful we would be with Rourke throwing darts and dropping dimes as they say. Zach is no longer capable. When watching those two operate back to back the difference is jarring. Even Adams put him to shame Saturday night.

If we follow your line of thinking that it is everyone's fault EXCEPT Zach, I am 100% sure we will have the first overall pick in spring of 2027. I really am of the opinion that any kind of quality quarterbacking gets us in the fight with the top teams rather than being the sacrificial lamb holding down the crossover.

Maybe you'd be willing to rate the starting passers 1 to 9 here?  On CFL.ca they have Zach at 7th. I think myself he should be at 10th.

Of the qb's still playing, I would rank Collaros 4th behind Rourke, Alexander, & Adams. Still better than all the others (yes, including Harris). He needs better stuff to work with.

Quote from: Waffler on October 19, 2025, 02:04:42 PMI did and it means absolutely nothing to me. I evaluate his skills as a passer and runner and judge him against his peers in the league. I said in the "ugly" thread how different, how much more successful we would be with Rourke throwing darts and dropping dimes as they say. Zach is no longer capable. When watching those two operate back to back the difference is jarring. Even Adams put him to shame Saturday night.

If we follow your line of thinking that it is everyone's fault EXCEPT Zach, I am 100% sure we will have the first overall pick in spring of 2027. I really am of the opinion that any kind of quality quarterbacking gets us in the fight with the top teams rather than being the sacrificial lamb holding down the crossover.

Maybe you'd be willing to rate the starting passers 1 to 9 here?  On CFL.ca they have Zach at 7th. I think myself he should be at 10th.

I guess that explains why we have only one guy in the top 27 receivers in the league (yards).  Demski is 8th then Wheatfall at 28th. Sad bunch of receivers compared to years past. Injuries didn't help but terrible signings and not unearthing any star imports was a problem.

Hate to add to all the negativity but those receiver stats are revealing. Blame the O-line, blame Collaros, blame Hogan, but they don't run routes, catch the ball, get open.  Our receivers don't execute like the top echelon in the league.

But hey the weather was fine -I've sat through alot worse. And yes the win was ugly but string together a couple more ugly ones against some beatable teams followed by just one more stellar Zach outing and we win the cup.

Quote from: bomb squad on October 19, 2025, 03:54:20 PMOf the qb's still playing, I would rank Collaros 4th behind Rourke, Alexander, & Adams. Still better than all the others (yes, including Harris). He needs better stuff to work with.

At this point, I'd take Tre Ford over Collaros even though he can't read a defence.

Quote from: TBURGESS on October 19, 2025, 04:02:43 PMAt this point, I'd take Tre Ford over Collaros even though he can't read a defence.

With how porous and poor our O line is, and how bad our recievers are, it would actually make sense to have Ford in there to run the ball and make plays on his own, as the Qb has ZERO support and help from the rest of his offense.

Our offense is the worst in the league by a country mile.

Quote from: dd on October 19, 2025, 04:10:43 PMWith how porous and poor our O line is, and how bad our recievers are, it would actually make sense to have Ford in there to run the ball and make plays on his own, as the Qb has ZERO support and help from the rest of his offense.

Our offense is the worst in the league by a country mile.

That plan is not worth pursuing, if Ford can't learn to play QB, he'll end up a receiver or DB like his brother.

Quote from: dd on October 19, 2025, 04:10:43 PMWith how porous and poor our O line is, and how bad our recievers are, it would actually make sense to have Ford in there to run the ball and make plays on his own, as the Qb has ZERO support and help from the rest of his offense.

Our offense is the worst in the league by a country mile.

in watching our oline, it seems like on a pass play they are all back pedaling way too much.
the dline makes contact and they are already surrounding Collaros. Plus they have all the momentum and just push our oline backwards rapidly I'll admit I don't know a lot about blocking mechanics,  but it seems like Zac has no time from the get go, shouldn't he be taking a deeper drop? Either that or our olinemen are being continuously outmuscled
badly.
Zac then ties to step up but there is no pocket or he doesn't trust it and and ends up tackled as he tries to break out.

Quote from: Pete on October 19, 2025, 09:29:41 PMin watching our oline, it seems like on a pass play they are all back pedaling way too much.
the dline makes contact and they are already surrounding Collaros. Plus they have all the momentum and just push our oline backwards rapidly I'll admit I don't know a lot about blocking mechanics,  but it seems like Zac has no time from the get go, shouldn't he be taking a deeper drop? Either that or our olinemen are being continuously outmuscled
badly.
Zac then ties to step up but there is no pocket or he doesn't trust it and and ends up tackled as he tries to break out.

I think the O-line gets beaten often enough by speed and deception, but seldom do they get overpowered except for maybe Kola who seems almost undersized for his position.

Quote from: Pete on October 19, 2025, 09:29:41 PMin watching our oline, it seems like on a pass play they are all back pedaling way too much.
the dline makes contact and they are already surrounding Collaros. Plus they have all the momentum and just push our oline backwards rapidly I'll admit I don't know a lot about blocking mechanics,  but it seems like Zac has no time from the get go, shouldn't he be taking a deeper drop? Either that or our olinemen are being continuously outmuscled
badly.
Zac then ties to step up but there is no pocket or he doesn't trust it and and ends up tackled as he tries to break out.

Our O line routtinely get out muscled, that is the problem. They are as porous as can be.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 19, 2025, 09:41:46 PMI think the O-line gets beaten often enough by speed and deception, but seldom do they get overpowered except for maybe Kola who seems almost undersized for his position.

how many times last game did we see Zac trying to push his way up the middle cause the pocket is collapsing all around him? Id like to see him take a few extra steps back to give him that extra few seconds.
 But you right also - they have a rusher come from the outside like brooks and it totally confuses our tackles,
do we have a hot route? If so Zac cant seem to find it or like most of Hogans schemes its just not there

Quote from: dd on October 19, 2025, 11:21:44 PMOur O line routtinely get out muscled, that is the problem. They are as porous as can be.

I mostly watch Wallace, nobody has out muscled or pancaked him yet, he's a physical beast.  Should probably lay off those 54 oz steaks though as he's slow as hell.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 20, 2025, 01:10:02 AMI mostly watch Wallace, nobody has out muscled or pancaked him yet, he's a physical beast.  Should probably lay off those 54 oz steaks though as he's slow as hell.

You're right he's as slow as molasses, so while he doesn't get beat physically they usually rush around him like he's a pylon. He's been a down grade from Dobson

Quote from: dd on October 20, 2025, 02:11:51 AMYou're right he's as slow as molasses, so while he doesn't get beat physically they usually rush around him like he's a pylon. He's been a down grade from Dobson

Disagree, Dobson often got overpowered and rarely ventured up field, was glad to see him move on. 

Quote from: Tecno on October 19, 2025, 02:35:15 AMWe talked with Captain Blue and his airplane post-game.  He confirmed the engine did NOT blow up in the HAM game as my son said.  He said the drive chain broke!  So no new engine.  Still has the nice put-putter engine.

But what kind of engine?

Quote from: Tecno on October 19, 2025, 02:58:35 AMHow on earth are there "seat vagabonds" in Pinnacle?  I thought you needed proof of Pinnacle tickets to get in the door?

As for "loud discussions", if it was about football, then that's the whole point of going to games!  If they were discussing Taylor Swift's love life, then ya, I feel ya.

The seats have no monitoring, unless you call security.  These guys sat behind me to watch the game, commenting on the fact so few seats were filled in the "rich " section.

Taylor Swifts love life would have been a lot more interesting than the mundane crap these guys were yelling in my ear.

Quote from: theaardvark on October 20, 2025, 05:19:17 PMThe seats have no monitoring, unless you call security.  These guys sat behind me to watch the game, commenting on the fact so few seats were filled in the "rich " section.

Taylor Swifts love life would have been a lot more interesting than the mundane crap these guys were yelling in my ear.

Dial up her song "wood" that will be all you need to hear...has anyone asked ZC if he has given that tune a listen?

Quote from: theaardvark on October 20, 2025, 05:17:07 PMBut what kind of engine?

Drat.  Forgot to ask.  Still gas, anyhow.  And there are some pretty wild exhaust pipes, like brass or bronze, coming out the sides.  That explains the cool rev noises.

I'll ask next time.  Get to the bottom of this once and for all!

Quote from: Pete on October 19, 2025, 09:29:41 PMbut it seems like Zac has no time from the get go, shouldn't he be taking a deeper drop?

He doesn't drop deep because the speedy DEs just run around our OTs.  I think it's a conscious decision by our O to compensate for our weaker OTs, and also help out the weaker OGs by keeping everything tighter.  If Zach drops back a lot the OTs would have to drop out wide to cover, and that leaves gaping B-gaps.

Quote from: Waffler on October 19, 2025, 02:04:42 PMI did and it means absolutely nothing to me. I evaluate his skills as a passer and runner and judge him against his peers in the league. I said in the "ugly" thread how different, how much more successful we would be with Rourke throwing darts and dropping dimes as they say. Zach is no longer capable. When watching those two operate back to back the difference is jarring. Even Adams put him to shame Saturday night.

But comparing Rourke/Alexander/VAJ to Zach is not fair.  Two are early 20's, one is older, but not Zach old.

You should be comparing Zach to Trevor & BLM.  And Zach is as mobile, or more so, than those other 2.  The difference is Trevor & BLM have great OL support this season -- Zach, not so much.  Give Zach a stellar OL and he'll be getting the same yardage as the other geriatrics.

Quote from: Tecno on October 21, 2025, 12:22:31 AMBut comparing Rourke/Alexander/VAJ to Zach is not fair.  Two are early 20's, one is older, but not Zach old.

You should be comparing Zach to Trevor & BLM.  And Zach is as mobile, or more so, than those other 2.  The difference is Trevor & BLM have great OL support this season -- Zach, not so much.  Give Zach a stellar OL and he'll be getting the same yardage as the other geriatrics.

Not sure the Rider O-line is great, Trevor Harris has such a quick release he's almost not worth pursuing, he knows where the ball is going before he receives the snap.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 21, 2025, 01:01:32 AMNot sure the Rider O-line is great, Trevor Harris has such a quick release he's almost not worth pursuing, he knows where the ball is going before he receives the snap.

Then Mafia/coaches failed miserably creating a similar game plan around Zach.  If we knew our OL was crap, which could have been guessed in TC (and certainly known by week 6), then we should have created an O plan like SSK.

That said, Trevor has been fairly protected on his long shots (though all the short/run game can cause that).  And HAM's OL has been stellar.

So one could say Ted did it right, and the SSK OC did it right.  We're trying to execute a HAM O with a bad OL and as we are finding out, it's impossible.

Hardrick - gamechanger, he missed most of the season last year but it is no coincidence that when he plays most of the games the team has finished in the top tier of the league.  He is very good at this job - will likely start to fade but he is solid.

Quote from: Tecno on October 21, 2025, 12:18:25 AMDrat.  Forgot to ask.  Still gas, anyhow.  And there are some pretty wild exhaust pipes, like brass or bronze, coming out the sides.  That explains the cool rev noises.

I'll ask next time.  Get to the bottom of this once and for all!

Quote from: Tecno on October 21, 2025, 12:20:39 AMHe doesn't drop deep because the speedy DEs just run around our OTs.  I think it's a conscious decision by our O to compensate for our weaker OTs, and also help out the weaker OGs by keeping everything tighter.  If Zach drops back a lot the OTs would have to drop out wide to cover, and that leaves gaping B-gaps.

Which would explain CS17's 3 completion game as well.

If the O line has issues stopping the blitz's through the gaps, then I would recommend the O linemen reduced their splits when they line up, make the gaps smaller which would prevent the opponent rushing through untouched, especially when a blitz package is obvious. Tell ZC to stay in the pocket as narrower splits will give the DE's more of a wide rush to the outside.

Quote from: Horseman on October 22, 2025, 03:40:40 PMIf the O line has issues stopping the blitz's through the gaps, then I would recommend the O linemen reduced their splits when they line up, make the gaps smaller which would prevent the opponent rushing through untouched, especially when a blitz package is obvious. Tell ZC to stay in the pocket as narrower splits will give the DE's more of a wide rush to the outside.

Re-watched the highlights, on the play Zach got swacked he knew he was going to be hit hard and still exposed himself fully by continuing through with the throwing motion instead of attempting to dodge and avoid contact.  Heroic or stupid?  This decision also put the throw in danger as it easily could have been picked off when his throwing motion was interrupted by the blitzing LB.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 22, 2025, 06:11:02 PMRe-watched the highlights, on the play Zach got swacked he knew he was going to be hit hard and still exposed himself fully by continuing through with the throwing motion instead of attempting to dodge and avoid contact.  Heroic or stupid?  This decision also put the throw in danger as it easily could have been picked off when his throwing motion was interrupted by the blitzing LB.

Why can't it be both?  I'd say that is Zach's TD/INT problem in a nutshell...

Quote from: The Zipp on October 22, 2025, 03:15:08 PMHardrick - gamechanger, he missed most of the season last year but it is no coincidence that when he plays most of the games the team has finished in the top tier of the league.  He is very good at this job - will likely start to fade but he is solid.

Agree. Randolph is ok at RT but he ain't no Hardrick, that's for sure.

Quote from: dd on October 23, 2025, 01:56:24 AMAgree. Randolph is ok at RT but he ain't no Hardrick, that's for sure.

I don't think Randolph is even a Lofton... though it looks like I'm going to have to start liking him because it appears that's the direction we're going.  Lofton probably to be released in off-season.

Quote from: Tecno on October 23, 2025, 06:40:08 AMI don't think Randolph is even a Lofton... though it looks like I'm going to have to start liking him because it appears that's the direction we're going.  Lofton probably to be released in off-season.

4 O-linemen currently on the PR competing for invites to TC indicates they're still shopping, hopefully they bring in a lot of competition.  I think Lofton is better at pass protection due to his superior mobility, but Randolph is the better run blocker.

Best career move for Hardrick was to sign with Sask and miss an entire season so he could embed himself in the community and get into better shape by losing some weight, his last year in Wpg. was not good with the advent of speed rushers like Betts.

Forgot to mention, our super jumbo Big Chris SY package now has Fatboi and Lawson in it!  Maybe bringing in some D beef makes up for the lack of an 7th OL.

It did amazing on the 1st sneak, but blew it on the later longer sneak failure.

Bombers have to win and the Lions lose in order to finish in 3rd. For some reason I thought we were a lock with a win and that was incorrect.

That might explain some possible odd choices playing back ups tomorrow. Odds of ending in 3rd seem more remote so resting some veterans seems like a better choice. I don't like that but I understand the thinking now.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 24, 2025, 01:27:54 PMBombers have to win and the Lions lose in order to finish in 3rd. For some reason I thought we were a lock with a win and that was incorrect.

That might explain some possible odd choices playing back ups tomorrow. Odds of ending in 3rd seem more remote so resting some veterans seems like a better choice. I don't like that but I understand the thinking now.

Calgary has 10 wins. I'm struggling to see how we can finish 3rd.

In a 3 way tie, we would have the worst record across the three teams.

Quote from: Jesse on October 24, 2025, 01:35:19 PMCalgary has 10 wins. I'm struggling to see how we can finish 3rd.

In a 3 way tie, we would have the worst record across the three teams.

I'm confused by this situation. If the Stampeders, Lions, and Bombers all wind up 10-8, the Lions have the tiebreaker over the Stampeders, the Stampeders have the tiebreaker over the Bombers, but the Bombers have the tiebreaker over the Lions. What's the next tiebreaker?

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 24, 2025, 01:53:41 PMI'm confused by this situation. If the Stampeders, Lions, and Bombers all wind up 10-8, the Lions have the tiebreaker over the Stampeders, the Stampeders have the tiebreaker over the Bombers, but the Bombers have the tiebreaker over the Lions. What's the next tiebreaker?

When it's a 3 way tie, it's the combined records against all tied teams.

The Stamps would be 3-2
The Lions are 2-2
We are 2-3

Quote from: Jesse on October 24, 2025, 03:36:54 PMWhen it's a 3 way tie, it's the combined records against all tied teams.

Ya, I think the confusing part is if it's 3-way then the "season-series" results mean nothing at all.  Just throw them away.

Quote from: Jesse on October 24, 2025, 03:36:54 PMThe Stamps would be 3-2
The Lions are 2-2
We are 2-3

If that's how it works out then I call foul because we won the same count as BC but we lose out because we have one more loss?  That would mean we are punished for the schedulers giving us one more game against those teams?  I think the loss count should not count in that case and you have to revert to something like points vs the tied-in-that-manner 2 teams.  In that event we would win 3rd.

Quote from: Tecno on October 23, 2025, 06:40:08 AMI don't think Randolph is even a Lofton... though it looks like I'm going to have to start liking him because it appears that's the direction we're going.  Lofton probably to be released in off-season.

Whatever happened to Lofton??

Quote from: dd on October 25, 2025, 03:52:39 AMWhatever happened to Lofton??

Ostensibly he's been hurt most of the year with a mystery injury.  I'm not sure I ever believed it.  Maybe it was something at first, but I doubt it's been a thing the whole season.  I think we started him 1 (maybe 2) games.

I liked him better than Randolph, but I think he was always considered a "rental" to fill the Hardrick hole -- not the real long term solution.  He also is a bit old.  I can see why we'd prefer someone like Randolph going forward.  Though I'm not sold on it yet.  Pass pro was miles better in '24 with Lofton than '25 with Randolph (though LG changed too).

Assuming he didn't have some drastic legit injury, he'll be cut in off-season.

Quote from: Jesse on October 24, 2025, 01:35:19 PMCalgary has 10 wins. I'm struggling to see how we can finish 3rd.

In a 3 way tie, we would have the worst record across the three teams.

The obvious answer to this, which I forgot, was if Calgary wins and gets to 11, and both us and BC have 10 wins, we have the tie breaker to finish in 3rd.

I can't see it happening with the roster we're putting out there today.

Quote from: Jesse on October 25, 2025, 11:12:58 AMThe obvious answer to this, which I forgot, was if Calgary wins and gets to 11, and both us and BC have 10 wins, we have the tie breaker to finish in 3rd.

I can't see it happening with the roster we're putting out there today.

I'm not sure the Lions can beat the Riders if the weather is bad. Riders may rest some players but they want to set the tone for the play offs as well.

Regardless I'll be stunned if we can beat the Als after sitting out 8 or 9 starters.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 25, 2025, 02:47:22 PMI'm not sure the Lions can beat the Riders if the weather is bad. Riders may rest some players but they want to set the tone for the play offs as well.

Regardless I'll be stunned if we can beat the Als after sitting out 8 or 9 starters.

I think the Lions can easily win. But yes, it doesn't look like we care to win.