Moan groan "Strevy sucks", "Get Wilson in", "Go with the Greek kid!"...
Strevy has won 3 of 4 games for us that he started this season: @OTT, TOR, BC. The only loss was @HAM.
I always say/said Strev will win you at least .500. Ya, so he has. I do believe this makes him more of a winner than Zach has been this season, eh?
THAT is the stat MOS & co are looking at. THAT is why Strev will start (and probably finish) every game Zach is bell-rung for.
Not that I don't want to see Wilson in some garbage time series, but I think this should put to rest all the anti-Strev hate. And no, I'm not the "Strevy" forum member reborn. I still start Zach over Strevy every day of the week. But if Zach is down, it's Strev time.
He may not be "good" and his wins aren't "pretty", but he is doing what a backup should do: keep you in the game and win you more than half.
Such a ridiculous argument.
2 of his wins have taken return TDs and multiple defensive plays.
For most of the game yesterday he had completed as many passes to Ottawa as he had to his receivers.
He was actively dragging the team down.
A guy who has averaged 173 yards passing with 4 tds to 7 ints in his starts is lucky to be 3-1.
Wilson is the short yardage guy... that's pretty clear. Nobody expects the short yardage guy on the other CFL teams to be the next starter. The guy in Montreal has done nothing else for almost his entire career.
Disappointment aside, and Speaking generally, When you consider the situation across the CFL, and even the NFL as far as who is on rosters at quarterback,(starting, and backups) it's hard to criticize the Bombers, whatever they have done, and will do. Who they've found, who they missed.
It's the hardest job in team sports, there are not many that do it well.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 21, 2025, 07:07:59 AMMoan groan "Strevy sucks", "Get Wilson in", "Go with the Greek kid!"...
Strevy has won 3 of 4 games for us that he started this season: @OTT, TOR, BC. The only loss was @HAM.
I always say/said Strev will win you at least .500. Ya, so he has. I do believe this makes him more of a winner than Zach has been this season, eh?
THAT is the stat MOS & co are looking at. THAT is why Strev will start (and probably finish) every game Zach is bell-rung for.
Not that I don't want to see Wilson in some garbage time series, but I think this should put to rest all the anti-Strev hate. And no, I'm not the "Strevy" forum member reborn. I still start Zach over Strevy every day of the week. But if Zach is down, it's Strev time.
He may not be "good" and his wins aren't "pretty", but he is doing what a backup should do: keep you in the game and win you more than half.
I agree with everything here. Folks need someone to pile on and right now it's Strev. Yup the record shows that even while struggling he has been able to win games for us, which is all you need of your backup.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2025, 01:10:42 PMSuch a ridiculous argument.
2 of his wins have taken return TDs and multiple defensive plays.
For most of the game yesterday he had completed as many passes to Ottawa as he had to his receivers.
He was actively dragging the team down.
I don't think it's an ridiculous argument. I don't think he is dragging the team down.
Techno provided a reasonable take on the situation imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 02:14:15 PMI agree with everything here. Folks need someone to pile on and right now it's Strev. Yup the record shows that even while struggling he has been able to win games for us, which is all you need of your backup. I don't think it's an ridiculous argument. I don't think he is dragging the team down.
Techno provided a reasonable take on the situation imo.
Absurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 02:14:15 PMTechno provided a reasonable take on the situation imo.
He didn't at all. He took one thing, the team win, and ignored all context that surround that win.
That is not the definition of reasonable.
that win is on the defence and ST and the fact ottawa is a terrible team coached. y dead man walking Dyce (who really should be fired tomorrow morning)
another quarter without a first down.
We beat a 4-9 team. Team effort, Strev played it safe and gutted out the win, protected the ball. It is the epitome of game manager albeit a one dimensional one. He deserves credit but we can't pretend winning like this can be a regular thing.
Wilson could have won this game as well, and maybe completed 4-5 passes. This will show as a win under Streveler, but much like against Toronto the D and STs brought home this victory. I remember 2019, but would love to forget 2025 as far as Strevelers performance goes.
Quote from: jdrattops on September 21, 2025, 03:13:43 PMWilson could have won this game as well, and maybe completed 4-5 passes. This will show as a win under Streveler, but much like against Toronto the D and STs brought home this victory. I remember 2019, but would love to forget 2025 as far as Strevelers performance.
I like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many. That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 21, 2025, 02:31:25 PMAbsurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance). Nothing absurb about that. Strev has helped us win ball games. Ugly wins but wins none the less.
Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2025, 03:10:14 PMthat win is on the defence and ST and the fact ottawa is a terrible team coached. y dead man walking Dyce (who really should be fired tomorrow morning)
another quarter without a first down.
Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo. The thread is about Strev in general and his record.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2025, 03:02:02 PMHe didn't at all. He took one thing, the team win, and ignored all context that surround that win.
That is not the definition of reasonable.
He did more than that. He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year. He isn't talking about one win. He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games). That was a reasonable take.
Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't. I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor. He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt. He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back. He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).
Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season. We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok. It is what it is.
yeah we won games, and we won games as a team in 2019, all the way thru 2024. But every year it got harder. |If you don't fix what are obvious problems its not going to end well.
I put Streveler in that category.
As the stats have demonstrated and as pointed out, the performance was lacking, If we had a running back that never got more than 3 yards but we still won would you keep him? Or if a corner back was getting beat long consistently would Bridges still be here?
The need for another alternative is blatant, and the fact that in addition to Strev they seem to think Wilson is worse is an inditement on the team.
History doesn't win games. Present does.
What have you done for me lately, period.
Yes, 2019 was a banner year, and we won the cup with a bright new shiny Collaros backed up by an exuberant CS17 that knew no limitations.
CS17 has seen a lot of road since then, and it really, really feels to me like self doubt has crept in, second guessing and pulling throws seems to be the go to, not what a confident player does.
CS17 has a current track record that is abysmal, and without MOS wearing 2019 glasses, would have been cut long ago.
In my humble opinion.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2025, 04:22:50 PMHistory doesn't win games. Present does.
What have you done for me lately, period.
Yes, 2019 was a banner year, and we won the cup with a bright new shiny Collaros backed up by an exuberant CS17 that knew no limitations.
CS17 has seen a lot of road since then, and it really, really feels to me like self doubt has crept in, second guessing and pulling throws seems to be the go to, not what a confident player does.
CS17 has a current track record that is abysmal, and without MOS wearing 2019 glasses, would have been cut long ago.
In my humble opinion.
What he did lately is win a game and has a winning record this season.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 03:15:44 PMI like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many. That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance). Nothing absurb about that. Strev has helped us win ball games. Ugly wins but wins none the less.
Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo. The thread is about Strev in general and his record.He did more than that. He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year. He isn't talking about one win. He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games). That was a reasonable take.
Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't. I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor. He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt. He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back. He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).
Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season. We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok. It is what it is.
The absurdity is using the win / loss as a primary consideration of performance. Yesterday we won in spite of Streveler not because of him.
We've won games with Collaros where he wasn't why we won. Defence, ST's breaks in a game one way or the other determine the outcome. The performance of the opponent as well.
You both are taking a very narrow view of his overall performance. It's been bad whether we've won or lost.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 21, 2025, 04:33:56 PMThe absurdity is using the win / loss as a primary consideration of performance. Yesterday we won in spite of Streveler not because of him.
We've won games with Collaros where he wasn't why we won. Defence, ST's breaks in a game one way or the other determine the outcome. The performance of the opponent as well.
You both are taking a very narrow view of his overall performance. It's been bad whether we've won or lost.
We are talking about Strev's record and ability to win ball games as a backup QB which he has done. We are not talking about yesterday's game. Regardless of his performance and stats, he has won ball games and contributed to allowing us a chance to make the playoffs. Yes Strev doesn't take the credit for the Ws generally (did play well in BC) but it's a team game and he deserves some credit just like all three phases and our coaching in those victories.
Techno and I never spoke about performance, focus is the outcome/record. Nothing absurb about that. Agree to disagree and let's move on please. We both repeating ourselves.
To be clear, Streveler didn't win the game, the TEAM won the game DESPITE Streveler's pathetic 8 pass attempt 54 yard passing game. Vaval's missed FG return for a 110 yd TD was nothing short of miraculous, and Cam Allen's timely interceptions of sure points for lowly Ottawa and took points off the board for them that would have won them the gam, miracle #2.
It is good to see the team rally around and play outstanding ST and D football , much like they did when Vaval had 2 TD returns in Strev's other 'win', which again the team won despite Strev's poor performance.
This entire thread is ridiculous
I really thought Lapo's explanation of playing backup quarterbacks was excellent. The coaches see the quarterbacks every day. If Wilson was truly better he would be playing. O'Shea quietly without fanfare replaces playerS IF they have a better option. Many fans including myself wanted Mitchell to play but I would have to say he is not a game breaker and truly not a star.
Quote from: MATS on September 21, 2025, 04:44:44 PMI really thought Lapo's explanation of playing backup quarterbacks was excellent. The coaches see the quarterbacks every day. If Wilson was truly better he would be playing. O'Shea quietly without fanfare replaces playerS IF they have a better option. Many fans including myself wanted Mitchell to play but I would have to say he is not a game breaker and truly not a star.
Agree Lapo is rarely wrong and I enjoyed his take as well
My gawd this might be the most ridiculous thread ever.
We all love fur coat wearing 2019 Streveler and always will. He's long gone.
Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.
Streveler proved yesterday he's a fullback. Might be his career path forward, pull a Sinopoli and move out of the QB position cause it's not a good fit. Let him hit people, he likes that.
He can't read a defence and he can't throw. That was painfully obvious yesterday. There were multiple receivers open on numerous plays but he went One Mississippi, tuck and run for a loss on nearly every non Brady play.
But let's take the more obvious position - Lewis Ward doesn't shank two kicks yesterday and we lose.
Again, we all love 2019 Strevy, but he doesn't exist anymore. When the Bombers fail to make the GC this year, there are going to be a lot of questions about why, in a year where VAJ, MBT, Fajardo, Dolegala, Patterson, and Dukes were all available, we chose to stand still with status quo. At the very least, we have to assume Wilson is a complete bust, and all of the above mentioned are better passers than Strev (and therefore Wilson), and most are not locker room problems.
If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:25:00 PMMy gawd this might be the most ridiculous thread ever.
We all love fur coat wearing 2019 Streveler and always will. He's long gone.
Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.
Streveler proved yesterday he's a fullback. Might be his career path forward, pull a Sinopoli and move out of the QB position cause it's not a good fit. Let him hit people, he likes that.
He can't read a defence and he can't throw. That was painfully obvious yesterday. There were multiple receivers open on numerous plays but he went One Mississippi, tuck and run for a loss on nearly every non Brady play.
But let's take the more obvious position - Lewis Ward doesn't shank two kicks yesterday and we lose.
Again, we all love 2019 Strevy, but he doesn't exist anymore. When the Bombers fail to make the GC this year, there are going to be a lot of questions about why, in a year where VAJ, MBT, Fajardo, Dolegala, Patterson, and Dukes were all available, we chose to stand still with status quo. At the very least, we have to assume Wilson is a complete bust, and all of the above mentioned are better passers than Strev (and therefore Wilson), and most are not locker room problems.
If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.
Techno has provided his take on Strev's record. I don't agree that Hogan is gone at the end of the season. 10 to 1 odds MOS isn't either, unless he chooses that. Starting Strev again will cost no one their jobs. 100 to 1 odds on that. Many of us have been on here and very long time and have seen it all, this is by far not the most ridiculous thread ever. It's about Strev's ability to win ball games this year as a backup. The weird and wacky threads we have all seen trumps this by 1000x. Imo. I enjoy Techno's takes in general and think this was a timely one. It goes against the grain which the herd clearly doesn't like but I do.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 04:29:15 PMWhat he did lately is win a game and has a winning record this season.
That is a false narrative.
There is, in no way shape or form, any evidence that Streveler was needed for, let alone caused, the win. I don't think the previously mentioned 10 year old, or myself, could have played QB and the team still won, but I have zero doubt that we don't win with any of our rostered QB's. I don't think anyone on our roster, QB or not, would not have won this game.
CS17 did not "win" this game. He don't even think his effort kept us from losing it.
QB's should win you games. They should be able to take the team on their back and get you over the goal line. Yes, there will be games where they struggle, and the team comes to their rescue, but I do not see this as one of those cases.
When a rookie receiver is so open that there is no one in his postal code, and he had to jump up and down and wave to get a pass thrown his way, that is sad. Especially when that pass is 50% of your downfield completions.
We do not need a QB that we win in spite of. And giving CS17 credit for being a .750 QB when he has a .640 completion percentage, and has thrown 11 picks vs 6 TD's is disingenuous.
I would say that there is a possibility we are 4-0 and not 3-1 if Wilson had started those 4 games.
In all the league, of passers with 100 attempts or more, CS17 has the worst:
Efficiency 68.6
INT % 7.7
Average yards per catch 7.5
You will not find a player or coach on this team that will complain about this, that is not what this team's dynamic is.
But it is time for an intervention. Someone HAS to take away his keys. I'd suggest it's time for Walters or Miller to make a roster change to prevent MOS from putting him back out there. Like when Billy Beane Traded Pena so that Howe couldn't start him in Moneyball. We have to let MOS get out of his own way and get back to coaching a winning team.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 03:15:44 PMI like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many.
How many above .500 teams have we beat this year - 0.
How many other teams have more interceptions than touchdowns - 0.
How many GCs have we won in the past 3 years - 0.
Those are the how manys you seem to be ignoring.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 05:29:57 PMTechno has provided his take on Strev's record. I don't agree that Hogan is gone at the end of the season. 10 to 1 odds MOS isn't either, unless he chooses that. Starting Strev again will cost no one their jobs. 100 to 1 odds on that. Many of us have been on here and very long time and have seen it all, this is by far not the most ridiculous thread ever. It's about Strev's ability to win ball games this year as a backup. The weird and wacky threads we have all seen trumps this by 1000x. Imo. I enjoy Techno's takes in general and think this was a timely one. It goes against the grain which the herd clearly doesn't like but I do.
Again, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
Loyalty and team dynamic has served MOS and the WFC very, very well.
Walters has put on his big boy pants and made difficult off season decisions to move on from very good and very popular players, and for the most part has looked pretty good doing it, more often than not his moves have worked, both short and long term. No GM will be 100% in roster moves, and there will always be the ones that got away or come back to haunt you, but overall, Walters has been pretty solid.
I'm not sure, though, within the Mafia, what the roster setting dynamic is. Walters is in charge of getting players onto the roster, and no doubt includes MOS in deciding which players to pursue and bring in.
But who is the deciding factor on where on the roster they are, and where on the DC they are.
Does Walters get given some input? Should he be involved? If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new? If Walters wants to see what game Wilson has before he makes off season decisions, should he be able to tell MOS to move him up the DC?
Are these discussions happening now? Is the front office on the same page, or is there internal conflict to be dealt with internally?
Does Jarious Jackson have any input? Or Hogan?
We are at an inflection point, where the team can make the turn and the run for a home GC appearance. We did it in 2019 and started a dynasty by bringing in Collaros. How do we repeat that in 2025?
Great quote from Strev.
"As weird as it looks, it feels weird. I'm like, 'Have I completed a ball in the last two hours, what's going on?' Then you look up and it's like, 'Ok, let's go put a drive together to put this away and win,' and we did that at the end."
-Chris Streveler
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2025, 05:47:58 PMLoyalty and team dynamic has served MOS and the WFC very, very well.
Walters has put on his big boy pants and made difficult off season decisions to move on from very good and very popular players, and for the most part has looked pretty good doing it, more often than not his moves have worked, both short and long term. No GM will be 100% in roster moves, and there will always be the ones that got away or come back to haunt you, but overall, Walters has been pretty solid.
I'm not sure, though, within the Mafia, what the roster setting dynamic is. Walters is in charge of getting players onto the roster, and no doubt includes MOS in deciding which players to pursue and bring in.
But who is the deciding factor on where on the roster they are, and where on the DC they are.
Does Walters get given some input? Should he be involved? If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new? If Walters wants to see what game Wilson has before he makes off season decisions, should he be able to tell MOS to move him up the DC?
Are these discussions happening now? Is the front office on the same page, or is there internal conflict to be dealt with internally?
Does Jarious Jackson have any input? Or Hogan?
We are at an inflection point, where the team can make the turn and the run for a home GC appearance. We did it in 2019 and started a dynasty by bringing in Collaros. How do we repeat that in 2025?
Nothing is going to be said or done as long as Strev wins, and if Zach returns for the Ti-Cat game, we may not see him again this season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 21, 2025, 02:31:25 PMAbsurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.
And on this I agree - 11 yards passing in a half will not win you games. And this against the worse team in the CFL. If there is any hope of making the playoffs in any form or fashion that Stev will not take you there and IMHO that is very painfully obvious.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:41:13 PMAgain, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
And where is Nasty Nate when you need him?? :D
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 03:15:44 PMI like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many. That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance). Nothing absurb about that. Strev has helped us win ball games. Ugly wins but wins none the less.
Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo. The thread is about Strev in general and his record.He did more than that. He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year. He isn't talking about one win. He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games). That was a reasonable take.
Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't. I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor. He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt. He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back. He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).
Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season. We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok. It is what it is.
If your QB isn't going to have a winning record against top teams, what good is he to us in the Playoffs if we need him.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 21, 2025, 06:38:44 PMIf your QB isn't going to have a winning record against top teams, what good is he to us in the Playoffs if we need him.
90% of the backups in this league are in that group. Strev isn't here to win us playoffs games. He is an insurance policy for reg season.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:39:15 PMHow many above .500 teams have we beat this year - 0.
How many other teams have more interceptions than touchdowns - 0.
How many GCs have we won in the past 3 years - 0.
Those are the how manys you seem to be ignoring.
The thread is above Strev and his winning record. Has nothing to do with what you have posted
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:41:13 PMAgain, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
Nobody is losing their job if Strev starts again. MOS isn't losing his job. We can revist this when the time comes. The odds are a fun way to present an argument. I'll get the roasting pan ready. Wings or thighs? I want to pre order the bird when its on sale lol.
Quote from: BBRT on September 21, 2025, 06:36:07 PMAnd where is Nasty Nate when you need him?? :D
Can we have him reinstated? Anyone have his #?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 21, 2025, 06:31:38 PMNothing is going to be said or done as long as Strev is playing and the team[/b] wins, and if Zach returns for the Ti-Cat game, we may not see him again this season.
With Collaros recent injury history, I am not optimistic of him playing out the entire season. Our #2 QB will play again, and, God forbid, might even have to start in the post season.
We will not win another game going 2-7 for 35 yards (I'm not counting Mitchell's handoff pass).
I'd love Strevy in the QB3 role for years to come. Short Yardage, with the occasional tempo pass after would be amazing. And, should the planets align and we lose QB1 and QB2 in a single game, he can come in and hand the ball off, and maybe that surprise juke forward and drop back and throw to a wide open man forgotten in coverage.
But we need a QB2 that can throw the ball, read a defence and win a game for you when your D or ST struggles.
Lovin' this thread. I knew it would be misread and kick the hornet's nest! You gals/guys never disappoint. 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2025, 07:51:43 PM90% of the backups in this league are in that group. Strev isn't here to win us playoffs games. He is an insurance policy for reg season.
Excluding Cody, who really isn't a "backup" to "QB" Ford, I'm pretty sure no other backup in the league who has started at least 3 games this season is over .500, let alone .750. And even Cody hasn't made .500 I don't think!
Strev's job as injury-catastrophe backup is to keep us in the hunt by getting .500. Is he doing that? 100% he is. AND HE ALWAYS HAS. That's all I said, and no one can dispute it's true because it's a fact in the game standings.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2025, 05:47:58 PMDoes Walters get given some input? Should he be involved? If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new?
Everyone is like "if Wilson can't throw better than Strev, why is he here? Cut him". But this is shortsighted and missing the big picture. I don't think Wilson is better than Strev as a starter
right now. Mafia thinks Strev will get us more wins than Wilson. Period. That's all they are considering. They don't give a flying poop how many passing yards anyone gets. Not one bit.
Wilson may be kept (now and in '26) because we know for a fact he's a good SY guy. Strev might get injured again, who knows. So Wilson may be needed. Second, he knows the system and if both Zach/Strev are IR then Wilson is a better choice to start than some airlift guy like Dolegala (as proven in the GC).
Lastly, many QBs took 4-7 years to truly blossom. Wilson may still be one of these guys. Maybe he's the next VAJ. If nothing better comes along, keep chipping away. You never know.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:41:13 PMAgain, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
I will make bets with anyone at 100-to-1 (in my favor) that Strev starts the next game, not Wilson, if Zach is still hurt. Surely no one is stupid enough to think after a win they yank Strev for Wilson?? In what world do you do that?
Does no one remember Crum's first couple of games, including the original Crumback game? Ya, I don't recall him passing for much of anything. Maybe he got more yards than Strev in that game, but he didn't throw for 400!
Crum passed for 261 in the Crumback game.
I do agree with Techno that Streveler starts next game.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2025, 05:34:21 PMThat is a false narrative.
It's not. You misread the OP and inserted your own narrative.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2025, 05:34:21 PMCS17 did not "win" this game. He don't even think his effort kept us from losing it.
And yet, just like MLB pitchers, QBs "get the win" stat when they win. I don't make the stats or rules. This is just the way it's done. When people consider a QB's legacy, what do they instantly go to: wins (reg season and cups). No one gives a poop about yards, unless they are the all-time best once-in-25-years like Calvillo.
So yes, for all intents and purposes, Strev "won" this game. In the books it will be a win for Strev.
I am NOT disagreeing with you on most of your other points. I never once said he was "good" or would drive the field 5X for passing TDs and get you an impossible win. Talking about that is fair, but it in no way makes my OP wrong.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2025, 05:34:21 PMLike when Billy Beane Traded Pena so that Howe couldn't start him in Moneyball. We have to let MOS get out of his own way and get back to coaching a winning team.
Funny you bring up Moneyball. This Strevy situation is precisely Moneyball. "Ya, but does Strev win you games." Well, yes he does, by definition, because he got the wins. The nerdy guy in the movie would be hiring Strev because he gets the result that matters on paper, even though every one says he's crap and no one likes him.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:25:00 PMVaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.
And Grant/Lucky, or the D, or whoever, were responsible for a ton of Nichols/Zach wins in '19-'23. What's your point?
"Ultimate team game". Surely the "lucky breaks on ST/D" even out over time? Zach got the benefit of the same ST/D all year, yet he has a worse record than Strev?
I understand and agree with much of what you are saying, but the W stat is the W stat, and no one can deny Strev this stat.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 05:25:00 PMIf the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.
Well, get prepared to fire everyone, because Strev is starting at home in 1 week if Zach isn't ready.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2025, 03:02:02 PMThat is not the definition of reasonable.
And yet it's a fact. Hmm...
Another fact, in 2018 when Strev started for us a whole ton, he was close to .500 for us too. Add in this season and I do believe he's over .500 for us. What more can you ask of a $115k backup who also does great SY for you??
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 22, 2025, 03:18:19 AMCrum passed for 261 in the Crumback game.
Ok, decent, but how much was garbage time when we were playing way off thinking we fully had that in the bag? I have it on PVR, I can go back and check.
If D's start playing 20Y off on Strev, he'll get decent yards too!
Quote from: Waffler on September 21, 2025, 03:11:55 PMWe beat a 4-9 team. Team effort, Strev played it safe and gutted out the win, protected the ball. It is the epitome of game manager albeit a one dimensional one. He deserves credit but we can't pretend winning like this can be a regular thing.
All true. You get it! Strev won for us kind of like '15-'16 Nichols did. Ya ya, Nichols threw for more. But it's more a "don't lose this" mentality than "go out and grab a win".
I fully expect Strev to continue to lose half his starts. Because he's a .500 QB, and that's his job. No one expects Strev to win much more than that. And no one expects Strev to win a playoff game (heaven forbid).
And if he was the next Kelly our Rourke, he wouldn't be $115k...
My God. You guys are so rediculous.
I am sure everyone in the clubhouse knows Strev ain't a good passer.
But given the situation, asa team of men, not hypocrites, a team of guys who have given all they could to help Winnipeg win, it's been said, and Can't you see Mike or Wade standing up, saying, Geez Zac, hurry up and get better. And MOS saying, well Strev, can ya give us one more?
Obviously knowing the other " boys. Deemed to be QBs " are cute little boys dressed up at practice, to collect balls. Can't you see? Management won't even let these guys on the field.
There is the scene, Strev, with his surgically repaired knees says, gulp..."next man up" slaps the ball and says, "let's go,"
He's doin what he was kept on the roster for....leadership. Just do it! Strevlore, and Olivier, Demski, Stan, Neuf and Jones and Willieand the newbie at safety, hallelujah, saints preserve, it was a miracle.
The odds were against us, and guess what. Manhood not bebaters, went out and kicked ***. Did you see the last three minutes? How many yards a pop? Ya want stats, 5 pass attempts? Who cares? How about 50 yards in five plays! That's leadership! Good job boys!
Best DM83 post ever, typos and all. Assuming it's not all sarcasm, I completely agree. And your fly-on-the-PAS-wall conversation transcript is probably EXACTLY what went down.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2025, 03:26:39 AMWhat more can you ask of a $115k backup who also does great SY for you??
Um, actually getting the first downs on short yardage. 2019 Streveler was great at SY. This season he's probably 4th at best on SY. Tommy Stevens owns that this year
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2025, 03:29:03 AMIf D's start playing 20Y off on Strev, he'll get decent yards too!
Why would any defence play 20Y off for Strev, that's 12 yards more than he can throw.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 22, 2025, 09:58:49 PMWhy would any defence play 20Y off for Strev, that's 12 yards more than he can throw.
Accuracy, decision making and reading the D is the problem. On occasion has thrown a decent medium route.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2025, 10:34:07 PMAccuracy, decision making and reading the D is the problem. On occasion has thrown a decent medium route.
So, not a QB then....
Quote from: dd on September 23, 2025, 02:06:57 AMNot even close to being one
And if he win again on Saturday?
What if Zach is gone and Strev wins 3 of our next 4? Is there anything that will ever make him a "real QB" in the eyes of many?
(I'm not making a statement about whether he's a "real QB" or not, I'm just asking what sort of record it will take before he is given any credit, or will he NEVER get credit even if he wins us the cup...)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 02:33:34 AMAnd if he win again on Saturday?
What if Zach is gone and Strev wins 3 of our next 4? Is there anything that will ever make him a "real QB" in the eyes of many?
(I'm not making a statement about whether he's a "real QB" or not, I'm just asking what sort of record it will take before he is given any credit, or will he NEVER get credit even if he wins us the cup...)
Alright, I'll challenge your words like I did PJs. If Chris Streveler wins 3 of the next 4, I won't post for a calendar year. If he loses more than 1 game for the duration of the season, you don't post for a year.
I am strong in my convictions. Let's see if you have any at all.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 23, 2025, 07:58:05 AMAlright, I'll challenge your words like I did PJs. If Chris Streveler wins 3 of the next 4, I won't post for a calendar year. If he loses more than 1 game for the duration of the season, you don't post for a year.
I am strong in my convictions. Let's see if you have any at all.
Except I never said this is what I was predicting, or betting on, or even wanted to see. I was positing a proposition to see if there was ANYTHING Strev could do that would please the (so-called) haters.
It has zero to do with me. Now normally if I said "I think X will happen", and I'm convinced, then ya I'll bet nearly anything monetary-wise. But betting my posting privileges? Never. And I wouldn't want you to lose yours either, as either option diminishes this forum, which already has a tiny fraction of regular posters the Riderforum does.
Everyone thinks I'm suddenly that Strevy poster that was here for a month just because I point out simple
facts. I never once stated I thought Strev was a likely winner, or a good passer, or a "real" QB. I see what everyone else sees. (I am far more optimistic every new week though, so I get to be thoroughly disappointed at the lack of passing every time.)
I have no conviction about Strev other than he's 3-1 this season and tough as nails. To quote our PJ: Simple as.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 02:33:34 AMAnd if he win again on Saturday?
What if Zach is gone and Strev wins 3 of our next 4? Is there anything that will ever make him a "real QB" in the eyes of many?
(I'm not making a statement about whether he's a "real QB" or not, I'm just asking what sort of record it will take before he is given any credit, or will he NEVER get credit even if he wins us the cup...)
The question isn't whether we win. It's whether the QB is largely responsible for the win. Oliveria could rush for 150 yards, defence could have 2 pick 6's while the offence doesn't throw a pass.
OTOH the exact opposite is possible. Dru Brown threw for 400 yards and lost as an example.
The premise that the QB gets credit for every win or gets blamed for every loss is not astute.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2025, 12:44:37 PMThe premise that the QB gets credit for every win or gets blamed for every loss is not astute.
It's not just astute, it's
reality. I already explained why. Note the underlined word. Yes they do get CREDIT. It's an actual CFL stat line. "QB wins".
I never said it's deserved, or correct. It just is. I'm not sure how you can argue this?
You actually prove my point. Dru throws for 400 vs 58 and yet all anyone will remember in a month is Dru has the big L on his forehead and he's a chump for losing this game. If we win the cup this year, Strev will be remembered years from now as a hero who kept us in the fight until Zach could return, because
Strev got the W's.
No one except me remembers that it was Ento that won the '23 GC by denying us 2 critical TDs. Nope. Who is remembered for winning that game? Cody. He's immortal now, and Ento is a tiny name etched with 45 others on the cup, soon forgotten until his 20th year reunion hurrah at Molson.
Now, talk all you want about how it's wrong, or isn't fair, or doesn't do the game justice, or how some games are "won" by ST, and some are "won" by your D, and some by a 200Y REC, or even the QB who threw for 400Y and 5 TDs that day. The only one that is remembered and gets the W stat is the QB. Reality sucks sometimes.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 10:55:32 AMExcept I never said this is what I was predicting, or betting on, or even wanted to see. I was positing a proposition to see if there was ANYTHING Strev could do that would please the (so-called) haters.
It has zero to do with me. Now normally if I said "I think X will happen", and I'm convinced, then ya I'll bet nearly anything monetary-wise. But betting my posting privileges? Never. And I wouldn't want you to lose yours either, as either option diminishes this forum, which already has a tiny fraction of regular posters the Riderforum does.
Everyone thinks I'm suddenly that Strevy poster that was here for a month just because I point out simple facts. I never once stated I thought Strev was a likely winner, or a good passer, or a "real" QB. I see what everyone else sees. (I am far more optimistic every new week though, so I get to be thoroughly disappointed at the lack of passing every time.)
I have no conviction about Strev other than he's 3-1 this season and tough as nails. To quote our PJ: Simple as.
Yeah, that's what I figured. Full of hot air as usual.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 23, 2025, 01:06:47 PMYeah, that's what I figured. Full of hot air as usual.
You either don't read, or you read but don't understand. Par for the course.
Strevler is awesome! I love his attitude, and drive. I do believe that he motivates the guys, and when he's in the game our defense and special teams play a little better.
But we can't have any more 50 yard passing games. You're asking what Strev could do to make haters happy? Maybe 150-200 yards passing? He doesn't have to do what Collaros does with the long ball, but we have to have some kind of threat to throw the ball. What we've done isn't sustainable.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 01:03:02 PMIt's not just astute, it's reality. I already explained why. Note the underlined word. Yes they do get CREDIT. It's an actual CFL stat line. "QB wins".
I never said it's deserved, or correct. It just is. I'm not sure how you can argue this?
You actually prove my point. Dru throws for 400 vs 58 and yet all anyone will remember in a month is Dru has the big L on his forehead and he's a chump for losing this game. If we win the cup this year, Strev will be remembered years from now as a hero who kept us in the fight until Zach could return, because Strev got the W's.
No one except me remembers that it was Ento that won the '23 GC by denying us 2 critical TDs. Nope. Who is remembered for winning that game? Cody. He's immortal now, and Ento is a tiny name etched with 45 others on the cup, soon forgotten until his 20th year reunion hurrah at Molson.
Now, talk all you want about how it's wrong, or isn't fair, or doesn't do the game justice, or how some games are "won" by ST, and some are "won" by your D, and some by a 200Y REC, or even the QB who threw for 400Y and 5 TDs that day. The only one that is remembered and gets the W stat is the QB. Reality sucks sometimes.
I'm not talking about statistical credit. I'm talking about some fans the give credit or blame without looking at the total picture.
The Bomber weekend game and trying to give Streveler more credit than he deserves. That game was won by points on turnovers by Vaval and Allen.
Quote from: LXTSN on September 23, 2025, 02:26:50 PMStrevler is awesome! I love his attitude, and drive. I do believe that he motivates the guys, and when he's in the game our defense and special teams play a little better.
But we can't have any more 50 yard passing games. You're asking what Strev could do to make haters happy? Maybe 150-200 yards passing? He doesn't have to do what Collaros does with the long ball, but we have to have some kind of threat to throw the ball. What we've done isn't sustainable.
It's not the yardage so much. It's control of the flow of the game, winning TOP with a balanced attack. Not giving up points due to turnovers.
Longer drives even without scoring to win the field position battle.
Last game 11 yards passing and IIRC 3 1st downs in the 1st half and losing TOP by 8 minutes is the opposite of what we want to see.
Some games are very low scoring in the 1st half. Being ahead 7 - 3 with 50-100 yards passing is not always a bad thing.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2025, 02:41:30 PMLast game 11 yards passing and IIRC 3 1st downs in the 1st half and losing TOP by 8 minutes is the opposite of what we want to see.
TOP 32:12 to 27:48 in OTT's favor. That's pretty close to normal for any team, including ours. Zach often loses TOP too.
Not saying your premise is faulty, but your example is.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2025, 03:13:06 AMEveryone is like "if Wilson can't throw better than Strev, why is he here? Cut him". But this is shortsighted and missing the big picture. I don't think Wilson is better than Strev as a starter right now. Mafia thinks Strev will get us more wins than Wilson. Period. That's all they are considering. They don't give a flying poop how many passing yards anyone gets. Not one bit.
Wilson may be kept (now and in '26) because we know for a fact he's a good SY guy. Strev might get injured again, who knows. So Wilson may be needed. Second, he knows the system and if both Zach/Strev are IR then Wilson is a better choice to start than some airlift guy like Dolegala (as proven in the GC).
Lastly, many QBs took 4-7 years to truly blossom. Wilson may still be one of these guys. Maybe he's the next VAJ. If nothing better comes along, keep chipping away. You never know.
So, the question is, how do you develop Wiulson if you won't give him ANY snaps, and leave him on the bench when Strevy is stuggling beyond reason?
THAT is our point. If he isn't enough of a prospect to replace a guy that threw 3 picks (one dropped) and lost us the last game, then why?
If, after a 2-7 for 35 yards (not counting that handoff to Mitchell ever) with an early pick does not get Wilson promoted to #2 or starter if Collaros is still on the AR, then what is he doing here is the question.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 03:01:45 PMTOP 32:12 to 27:48 in OTT's favor. That's pretty close to normal for any team, including ours. Zach often loses TOP too.
Not saying your premise is faulty, but your example is.
I mentioned 1st half TOP in the last game. Yeah it's a catch 22. An offence could score often and quickly and lose TOP as a result.
I'm just suggesting it's an issue when the team goes 2 and out most of the time.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 03:06:18 PMSo, the question is, how do you develop Wiulson if you won't give him ANY snaps, and leave him on the bench when Strevy is stuggling beyond reason?
THAT is our point. If he isn't enough of a prospect to replace a guy that threw 3 picks (one dropped) and lost us the last game, then why?
And it's a good point. But the answer is "because that's what every single other CFL team does".
Look at other teams that have cycled through the depth of QBs, like OTT, BC, MTL (especially MTL).
They let their (often completely unproven) guys go out there until they lost. Usually multiple losses. 2, 3, whatever. THEN they made the switch. Or they lost one in SUCH a bad way, and they had an equally green guy on the PR they threw them in because why not?
Strev isn't Chase. Strev has been in the CFL for a long time and WON many many games. And won MANY games this season.
No other team would pull that guy and put in Wilson unless they are trying to protect them from injury (no risk of that with Strev),
except maybe if they are losing by 3-5 majors
and it's the 4th
and it's clear the starter cannot recover.
You can argue that occurred in the HAM game. But like MOS said, Strev started making headway in the 4th. Ya, maybe garbage time D. But MOS thought the best chance to win was with Strev.
You can argue varying degrees of willingness to pull QBs. Many HCs have more of a hair trigger. Sometimes to a surprising extent that raises eyebrows. "So the HC is just giving up on the game with 9 mins left?"
But MOS really is not doing anything out of the ordinary, historically. And, historically, QBs in Wilson's shoes DID develop and become future legit starters. Somehow it all worked out, even without the benching of "the Strevs" of the past.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 03:15:56 PMAnd it's a good point. But the answer is "because that's what every single other CFL team does".
Look at other teams that have cycled through the depth of QBs, like OTT, BC, MTL (especially MTL).
They let their (often completely unproven) guys go out there until they lost. Usually multiple losses. 2, 3, whatever. THEN they made the switch. Or they lost one in SUCH a bad way, and they had an equally green guy on the PR they threw them in because why not?
Strev isn't Chase. Strev has been in the CFL for a long time and WON many many games. And won MANY games this season.
No other team would pull that guy and put in Wilson unless they are trying to protect them from injury (no risk of that with Strev), except maybe if they are losing by 3-5 majors and it's the 4th and it's clear the starter cannot recover.
You can argue that occurred in the HAM game. But like MOS said, Strev started making headway in the 4th. Ya, maybe garbage time D. But MOS thought the best chance to win was with Strev.
You can argue varying degrees of willingness to pull QBs. Many HCs have more of a hair trigger. Sometimes to a surprising extent that raises eyebrows. "So the HC is just giving up on the game with 9 mins left?"
But MOS really is not doing anything out of the ordinary, historically. And, historically, QBs in Wilson's shoes DID develop and become future legit starters. Somehow it all worked out, even without the benching of "the Strevs" of the past.
If you thinks CS17 has "won many games", we're watching totally different games.
Games where CS17 is the QB of record have been won, when they've been won, it is in spite of his efforts, not because of them. Played just not bad enough to lose. If THAT is the bar you have to reach to stay as the starter, you are not winning a playoff game.
Dru Brown passed for over 400yds in their loss, CS17 for 35. Which would you rather have behind centre the next game? The loser or the winner?
Finding out if Wilson can "not lose" us the next game gives us a completely different picture going into the playoffs. Letting CS17 "not lose" us the next game changes nothing.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 03:22:31 PMIf you thinks CS17 has "won many games", we're watching totally different games.
Uh,
that again. Ok, "Strevy was the QB when we won games". Doesn't change my argument one bit.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 03:22:31 PMGames where CS17 is the QB of record have been won, when they've been won, it is in spite of his efforts, not because of them. Played just not bad enough to lose.
Prove it.
If Strev was SO bad and SO hopeless and Wilson was SO promising, don't you think the players would revolt? On the sidelines, in pressers, etc. It's strange, but every take I see from the players indicates they Got Strev's Back.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 03:22:31 PMFinding out if Wilson can "not lose" us the next game gives us a completely different picture going into the playoffs. Letting CS17 "not lose" us the next game changes nothing.
And we'd have had that luxury if we were high enough in the standings to get a "garbage season" game or 2. Maybe we still will: it might transpire we have no way to improve (or lose a position) in the final game.
I agree that Wilson starting one would be a nice and useful thing. But if he stinks worse and that costs us a game? How does that help our home GC goal? There's always next PS for him to try again...
And if we're rolling with Strev OR Wilson into the playoffs?, we're all wincing and praying for miracles... It's Zach or bust, baby
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 03:30:17 PMIf Strev was SO bad and SO hopeless and Wilson was SO promising, don't you think the players would revolt? On the sidelines, in pressers, etc. It's strange, but every take I see from the players indicates they Got Strev's Back.
This argument is flawed. I mean, that's just what good teammates do: support one another, especially when times are tough. A functional locker room doesn't throw anyone under the bus.
And all indications are Streveler is a good teammate. He's shown he can be a serviceable pivot, but I don't think anyone could rationally claim the team's record with him as the starter is due to his talent/skill being a driving factor.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 03:30:17 PMUh, that again. Ok, "Strevy was the QB when we won games". Doesn't change my argument one bit.
Prove it.
If Strev was SO bad and SO hopeless and Wilson was SO promising, don't you think the players would revolt? On the sidelines, in pressers, etc. It's strange, but every take I see from the players indicates they Got Strev's Back.
And we'd have had that luxury if we were high enough in the standings to get a "garbage season" game or 2. Maybe we still will: it might transpire we have no way to improve (or lose a position) in the final game.
I agree that Wilson starting one would be a nice and useful thing. But if he stinks worse and that costs us a game? How does that help our home GC goal? There's always next PS for him to try again...
And if we're rolling with Strev OR Wilson into the playoffs?, we're all wincing and praying for miracles... It's Zach or bust, baby
Without seeing Wilson in action, we have NO IDEA if that is the case.
We do KNOW that CS17 is not going to get us anywhere in the playoffs, barring a complete miracle. We beat the worst team in the league with CS17 bailing on more throws than he attempted, and completing 2 of 7, including one to the other team.
It would be very, very hard for Wilson to crap the bed worse than CS17's last game.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 23, 2025, 03:30:17 PMUh, that again. Ok, "Strevy was the QB when we won games". Doesn't change my argument one bit.
Prove it.
If Strev was SO bad and SO hopeless and Wilson was SO promising, don't you think the players would revolt? On the sidelines, in pressers, etc. It's strange, but every take I see from the players indicates they Got Strev's Back.
And we'd have had that luxury if we were high enough in the standings to get a "garbage season" game or 2. Maybe we still will: it might transpire we have no way to improve (or lose a position) in the final game.
I agree that Wilson starting one would be a nice and useful thing. But if he stinks worse and that costs us a game? How does that help our home GC goal? There's always next PS for him to try again...
And if we're rolling with Strev OR Wilson into the playoffs?, we're all wincing and praying for miracles... It's Zach or bust, baby
It didn't make any difference that Wilson out played Strev in the pre-season games, the pecking order was already established.
I agree the expected standard for a backup QB is winning .500 of any games played in. The extra worry this season is Zach is in an extremely fragile state and may be unavailable for more games down the back stretch, putting the Bombers at risk of missing the playoffs. They beat the worst team in the league using grit and trickery but that's unlikely to work against any other team with a half decent QB.
Secondary worry is going into next season with the same QB room, "what is da plan boss, what is da plan?"
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 23, 2025, 05:19:08 PMThe extra worry this season is Zach is in an extremely fragile state and may be unavailable for more games down the back stretch
Is he though? Before his first hit & missed game this season, was he "more fragile" than last year?
I think Zach is always "this fragile" and this year is unique in that he's getting creamed way more often and way harder than he usually does. Because the OL has been oft-changing and is, frankly, bad. Even if one thinks the OL is ok, they must admit it's the worst OL he's had since Zach arrived in '19.
If I'm Zach, or a fan, I'm quietly cursing Mafia for really dropping the ball on OL composition/capability. They let us all down. And even if they tweak the line-up and finally "gel", the damage has partially already been done.
You can't unring a (Zach's head) bell. Now I understand why Nichols used to take the hoggies out for dinner after clean games to Famous Daves. He knew they were his lifeline, and the one time they failed bigly his career was
Lemonated over.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 23, 2025, 03:58:10 PMThis argument is flawed. I mean, that's just what good teammates do: support one another, especially when times are tough. A functional locker room doesn't throw anyone under the bus.
True, but the sideline looks and pressers were starting to show some fractures vis a vis Hogan. If they hated Strev for pass-sucking, surely little gripes would slip out like they did for Hogan.
Stuff like "it's frustrating when there's no passes coming my way", or "I'm open but they didn't see me". Lots of things guys could say with bus-throwing.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 04:19:25 PMIt would be very, very hard for Wilson to crap the bed worse than CS17's last game.
Again, people keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true. Wilson could come out and throw half of all balls into the turf and the other half directly into opponent hands. We've seen it before. Not saying it's probable, but it certainly is possible. And we're not talking 1% possible: first-start QBs have probably a 10-20% complete-utter-suckage rate.
PJ Walker stunk the joint out in his first start with the league's best team (IMHO) behind him at the time on Jul 31 -- losing to OTT(!!) 11-31. "Sucky" Strev beat the same team 26-18. Even backing out the Vaval TD, Strev's O still wins with 19 points on the board.
Is Wilson behind our OL better than PJ Walker behind CGY's OL? Would you bet money on it?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 24, 2025, 03:45:04 AMTrue, but the sideline looks and pressers were starting to show some fractures vis a vis Hogan. If they hated Strev for pass-sucking, surely little gripes would slip out like they did for Hogan.
Stuff like "it's frustrating when there's no passes coming my way", or "I'm open but they didn't see me". Lots of things guys could say with bus-throwing.
That's different, IMO. Streveler has earned the respect of his teammates over the years. I can't say the same for Hogan at this point in time.
I also can't help but wonder if Hogan's basically clueless when it comes to his QBs.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 24, 2025, 01:55:22 PMThat's different, IMO. Streveler has earned the respect of his teammates over the years. I can't say the same for Hogan at this point in time.
I also can't help but wonder if Hogan's basically clueless when it comes to his QBs.
Pretty sure Zach is a strongly opinionated person, he's going to have as much input in Hogan's playbook as he wants, as it's his team. Hogan or Jackson are not going to disrespect his input by ignoring it, they spend dozens of hours in small rooms every week going over the details of the game plan, there should be no surprises.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 24, 2025, 05:27:50 PMPretty sure Zach is a strongly opinionated person, he's going to have as much input in Hogan's playbook as he wants, as it's his team. Hogan or Jackson are not going to disrespect his input by ignoring it, they spend dozens of hours in small rooms every week going over the details of the game plan, there should be no surprises.
And yet, Collaros has also struggled mightily in this so-called offense. Yes, there are other factors to consider like injuries, but it's noteworthy how both the starting QB and the backup QB have not fared well this season under the supposed tutelage of a neophyte OC.
I wonder how much input he actually does get.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 24, 2025, 03:50:29 AMAgain, people keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true. Wilson could come out and throw half of all balls into the turf and the other half directly into opponent hands. We've seen it before. Not saying it's probable, but it certainly is possible. And we're not talking 1% possible: first-start QBs have probably a 10-20% complete-utter-suckage rate.
PJ Walker stunk the joint out in his first start with the league's best team (IMHO) behind him at the time on Jul 31 -- losing to OTT(!!) 11-31. "Sucky" Strev beat the same team 26-18. Even backing out the Vaval TD, Strev's O still wins with 19 points on the board.
Is Wilson behind our OL better than PJ Walker behind CGY's OL? Would you bet money on it?
I'd bet money on Wilson being able to throw better than Strevy..that's for sure. I've seen it in practice. Sadly there's this weird thing where fans remember CS from Grey Cups and how he played then. He's not that player anymore.
We do win in spite of him. The D and the ST won last game, not the offense and def not the QB play. Any QB would have won that game. 54 yards. Sad.
I'm hopeful Zach is back, it'll be nice to have options for plays.
I'd love to see Wilson in and not have a running back in as a QB.
Quote from: tlf on September 24, 2025, 05:53:09 PMI'd bet money on Wilson being able to throw better than Strevy..that's for sure. I've seen it in practice. Sadly there's this weird thing where fans remember CS from Grey Cups and how he played then. He's not that player anymore.
We do win in spite of him. The D and the ST won last game, not the offense and def not the QB play. Any QB would have won that game. 54 yards. Sad.
I'm hopeful Zach is back, it'll be nice to have options for plays.
I'd love to see Wilson in and not have a running back in as a QB.
Wilson does throw a nice ball, and has a good strong arm. In practice he has thrown a few picks. However, our D knows what play is coming and usually jumps the route. I also believe that if Wilson played a entire game, he would have more then 54 yards passing.
The big question for me is, can either of these guy win a playoff game.???
Not a big Streveler fan, but I'll say this, when he plays it seems the ST and D rally around him and play unbelieveable football, get interceptions and return missed FG for TD's as they KNOW they have to do something to help the offense out. So it seems everybody knows and accepts his short comings and just buckles down and plays hard for him. And you're right, you don't hear anybody complaining in pressers afterwards, that's having very good team mates, and if Wilson showed anything in practice, his team mates would let it be known, but they aren't so that tells me its Strev or nobody, as much as that sucks!!
Quote from: Pigskin on September 24, 2025, 06:44:06 PMWilson does throw a nice ball, and has a good strong arm. In practice he has thrown a few picks. However, our D knows what play is coming and usually jumps the route. I also believe that if Wilson played a entire game, he would have more then 54 yards passing.
The big question for me is, can either of these guy win a playoff game.???
You're expecting too much, their main job is too hold down the fort till the starter returns. Very few backup QB's are going to win a playoff game, that exceeds all expectations.