We have zero pass rush , no pressure on quarterbacks. We only get some if we send extra players on a play, but nothing on a regular rush. QB's have too much time.
And yet we held BLM to pretty crappy passing stats. We've made a conscious choice that we are a D with no pass rush. It also worked pretty well against SSK. And most other teams this year.
What the 3-man-rush didn't stop in this, and some other games, is the late-game run-mostly O's. I'm fine with the no pass rush if we still limit passing yards, but we also then have to find ways to be stout against the run.
It's a big experiment, probably never before seen in the CFL, where a team completely forgoes pass rush. The jury's still out, but it's not looking too hot. It seemed so much easier to win with the Jeffcoat/Willie/Stove "traditional" scheme.
The other factor is when your not putting pressure on qbs, its more difficult to create turnovers.Tonite we weren't close to intercepting a pass
I don't think we made a bad choice on defence.
The real crux of this game, and in every loss this season, was offensive turnovers.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 04:32:36 AMThe real crux of this game, and in every lose this season, was offensive turnovers.
You bet. Teams don't even take chances on O against us anymore. They just sit back until their D can get the 2-3 picks a game we are
guaranteed to give up. (Zach as much as Strev.)
Even with no pass rush, our D has not been the problem in games. They kept us in nearly every game, certainly the last few/many, until the 4th.
This discussion is more than valid, but a thread about the atrocious O schemes would be equally warranted.
All of a sudden Woodbey is getting a ton of playing time, on the depth chart they had him listed behind Kyrie, but I swear he was playing in place of Griffin at SLB quite often. He was the 2nd busiest tackler with 6 behind Kramdi tonight who had 8. Does this mean he has surpassed half the LB's on the team including Ayers and Jon Jones?
Also Didn't see much of Cam Allen tonight at Safety, fairly quiet night for him but then BLM spent the night testing Lawson at corner.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 06:15:35 AMAll of a sudden Woodbey is getting a ton of playing time
Woodbey made that very noticeable, tough stop somewhere in the middle of the game. That was
very impressive. If he's going to do stuff like that, I can see why we'll keep dressing him.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 06:15:35 AMAlso Didn't see much of Cam Allen tonight at Safety, fairly quiet night for him but then BLM spent the night testing Lawson at corner.
You said it. BLM avoided the post all but 1-2 times. Tons of work against Lawson. So if we know they are picking on Lawson, why can't we cheat our FS over to help him on the mid/deep routes? Or were we just playing that dumb zone most of the time?
And no roving LBers, no sneaky undercuts, none of the stuff that used to make us famous.
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 04:28:50 AMThe other factor is when your not putting pressure on qbs, its more difficult to create turnovers.Tonite we weren't close to intercepting a pass
It's true. The scheme on defense is questionable and/or we don't have the players to pull it off.
We will lose the vast majority of games we play if the best we can do is get our hand on the quarterback one time as he's throwing it on one drive in the third quarter.
It's not nearly good enough and they also got lit up in the interior run game towards the end of the game.
It's the scheme or the personnel or both but it was complete garbage last night and that's the nicest way to put it.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 04:32:36 AMI don't think we made a bad choice on defence.
The real crux of this game, and in every lose this season, was offensive turnovers.
And offensive turnovers are largely occuring because teams are pressuring the heck out of our quarterbacks and we let theirs stand back there for 10 seconds a play.
The only reason we were as close as we were is because their coach didn't call a time-out on the busted coverage TD we got. That was a high school moment for them.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 06:40:17 AMWoodbey made that very noticeable, tough stop somewhere in the middle of the game. That was very impressive. If he's going to do stuff like that, I can see why we'll keep dressing him.
You said it. BLM avoided the post all but 1-2 times. Tons of work against Lawson. So if we know they are picking on Lawson, why can't we cheat our FS over to help him on the mid/deep routes? Or were we just playing that dumb zone most of the time?
And no roving LBers, no sneaky undercuts, none of the stuff that used to make us famous.
Was Allen on the field much last night? I only saw him a couple of times?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 13, 2025, 04:30:06 PMWas Allen on the file muuch last night? I only saw him a couple of times?
I didn't notice him *at all*. But I was angry for much of the game and not seeing things right ;) ;)
BLM did very few deep shots so hard to tell if Allen ever got near the ball. We did so much of our blanket zone coverage sets where we wouldn't necessarily have Allen in.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 13, 2025, 04:30:06 PMWas Allen on the file muuch last night? I only saw him a couple of times?
2 official tackles, saw him a few times.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 13, 2025, 04:30:06 PMWas Allen on the file muuch last night? I only saw him a couple of times?
Was at the game, and he was actually on the field a fair amount of the time.
We need more pressure but it's far from our biggest issue
Our D have been average and has had a few good games
Not worried about our D
Need the OL to click,get healthy at QB and get 100 yards rushing per game
2 consecutive games without a sack.
1 sack in the last 4 games.
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on September 15, 2025, 08:35:36 PM2 consecutive games without a sack.
1 sack in the last 4 games.
Wow, I didn't realize it was THAT brutal!!
Jefferson is washed. Still gets his mitts in the way of the Qb but he gives up on numerous plays every game. He is no longer an every down player. Yet he still might be the best D line player on the team.
They must be the bottom in the league in the sack department .
Quote from: Ducky on September 15, 2025, 11:49:38 PMJefferson is washed. Still gets his mitts in the way of the Qb but he gives up on numerous plays every game. He is no longer an every down player. Yet he still might be the best D line player on the team.
Not washed in any way imo. His stats were near the top of the league last year. He has evolved and is still effective.
Quote from: Ducky on September 15, 2025, 11:49:38 PMJefferson is washed. Still gets his mitts in the way of the Qb but he gives up on numerous plays every game. He is no longer an every down player. Yet he still might be the best D line player on the team.
Go check out ancient Riderforum posts from when Willie was there. Willie has been "giving up on numerous" plays his entire career. It's what he does. Sometimes gives up on whole games too. Rider fans noticed this waaaay back when, and nothing has changed.
If you don't accept that, you'll never accept Willie. Mafia knew this before signing him, and they condone it every year they re-up him.
And it's ok. It's part of why Willie is never hurt when Jeffcoat spent 75% of his time in the tub and was eventually canned.
Willie saves it up for when it really counts, like the post-season. How many times have we seen that?
I'm perfectly fine with it, as long has he keeps getting the batdowns and FF's when it counts.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 08:15:26 AMGo check out ancient Riderforum posts from when Willie was there. Willie has been "giving up on numerous" plays his entire career. It's what he does. Sometimes gives up on whole games too. Rider fans noticed this waaaay back when, and nothing has changed.
If you don't accept that, you'll never accept Willie. Mafia knew this before signing him, and they condone it every year they re-up him.
And it's ok. It's part of why Willie is never hurt when Jeffcoat spent 75% of his time in the tub and was eventually canned.
Willie saves it up for when it really counts, like the post-season. How many times have we seen that?
I'm perfectly fine with it, as long has he keeps getting the batdowns and FF's when it counts.
He always has, but also always came up with 10+ sacks and multiple turnovers. He's not doing that anymore. Only thing he goes for is the bat down now.
The biggest flaw with this style of defense is the lack of creativity when we do finally do blitz. Bomber blitzes have been getting picked up all year long, and the D is getting burnt anytime we do. My biggest beef with this style of defense is your not wearing down any offensive line as the game goes on, and you're not forcing OLines to make decisions at the snap. Drop back block 3 with 5, wait for a soft spot in the zone, complete the pass. Nothing organic on defense or offense this season, both coordinators can be shown the door come seasons end.
Quote from: Jesse on Today at 11:07:32 AMHe always has, but also always came up with 10+ sacks and multiple turnovers. He's not doing that anymore. Only thing he goes for is the bat down now.
Last year he was top three in distractions to the QB or something like that. Was featured on TSN month or so ago. More one way to skin a cat. He's an old cat but still has a few lives left imo. He still goes for the sack and pressures but yes uses his wings as good as anyone ever.
Quote from: jdrattops on Today at 01:42:29 PMThe biggest flaw with this style of defense is the lack of creativity when we do finally do blitz. Bomber blitzes have been getting picked up all year long, and the D is getting burnt anytime we do. My biggest beef with this style of defense is your not wearing down any offensive line as the game goes on, and you're not forcing OLines to make decisions at the snap. Drop back block 3 with 5, wait for a soft spot in the zone, complete the pass. Nothing organic on defense or offense this season, both coordinators can be shown the door come seasons end.
3 man front very normal last few years across the league