What can I say other than what we can all see ( except for the coaches ) he has a great attitude yes but he is the worst backup in the league. Its time to make a trade if Zach is done we don't have a chance.
He didn't really have any real competition in TC. He was anointed as the # 2 when he re-signed.
The frustrating part is he had lots of competition. I don't think the coaching staff wanted a real competition.
150 yards from the Bomber offense in the final 3 minutes of the game...pure garbage time. They only had 250 yards net offense against the Ticats in the first 57 minutes of the game.
If Streveler could have actually managed the game without an interception the Bombers might have kept it to a one-score game and given themselves an outside chance at winning it in the final minutes...although that would have been extremely unlikely.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 02:26:05 AMThe frustrating part is he had lots of competition. I don't think the coaching staff wanted a real competition.
And I don't think either of the other 2 QBs on the roster will amount to anything either. Wilson was a well below average College QB I am not clear on what they bombers see in him as for the QB on the PR I don't know much about him but if he hasn't passed Wilson who clearly isn't good by now I don't hold out much hope. I would trade for Ford and take my chances with him at least he can run Streveler can't even run anymore.
I don't think he's good enough to make a team at this point.
His recent play...
His apparent injury...
How do you think the coaches should handle him forward if healthy enough to play...
My grades: poor with the propensity for interceptions
Hope he is ok either way but we Need a new QB, if not we are toast.
I think MOS will ride with him till the cows come home. He needs to make the change.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:32:53 AMI don't think he's good enough to make a team at this point.
Just as a short yardage QB is what I was referring to but at this point I would take Dolegala over Streveler.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 13, 2025, 02:35:15 AMJust as a short yardage QB is what I was referring to but at this point I would take Dolegala over Streveler.
I think he's terrible in that role.
He shouldn't be doing it.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 13, 2025, 02:35:15 AMJust as a short yardage QB is what I was referring to but at this point I would take Dolegala over Streveler.
We'll never know but I think Dolegala could have been about as effective as Streveler tonight 100%.
Love Strev but agree with the above he's just not good enough.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 02:37:24 AMWe'll never know but I think Dolegala could have been about as effective as Streveler tonight 100%.
He beat the Bombers and looked good doing it if I recall correctly in 2023
If Terry Wilson isn't good enough to beat Strevler out of QB2 competition, why would we not keep Paterson? We've had lots of options and all the time to sort this QB room out and this is the best we got?
I get it. Everyone loves this guy and he would run through a brick wall for Winnipeg. I'd love for him to retire at the end of this season so we can still see him as a Winnipeg legend, and just pretend that this season never happened!
No kidding I said months ago he is no a starter or backup he should be a running back! We need a starter a bit Collaros!!
Quote from: bluengold204 on September 13, 2025, 02:40:44 AMLove Strev but agree with the above he's just not good enough.
I love his attitude as well and I thought he had his best game of his career in game 2 vs BC but he is 30 and he still can't read Defenses and his accuracy comes and goes, I don't see him getting any better at this point of his career. Its time for a Trade or to bring in a QB with potential from the NFL cuts but we know O'Shea doesn't trust anyone without CFL Experience so I doubt they go in that direction so a Trade Seems more likely. At this point I would think Ford wants out of Edmonton and he Bombers need a QB. At least it would give us some hope...
Yeah totally agree plus Collaros is done as well, we need to develop one or trade for on, or free a agency signing. Plus our coach should of given Wilson a shot as after the second interception. I do I not know what he was seeing but it was head shaking moments x2..
Quote from: LXTSN on September 13, 2025, 02:42:39 AMIf Terry Wilson isn't good enough to beat Strevler out of QB2 competition, why would we not keep Paterson? We've had lots of options and all the time to sort this QB room out and this is the best we got?
I get it. Everyone loves this guy and he would run through a brick wall for Winnipeg. I'd love for him to retire at the end of this season so we can still see him as a Winnipeg legend, and just pretend that this season never happened!
Yes the longer he plays he more the Legend is tarnished.
I'd take Dustin Crum for a QB he is young and learning the Canadian game fast. In fact with Dru Brown's injury history they may keep Crum!
Quote from: Austin85 on September 13, 2025, 02:53:52 AMI'd take Dustin Crum for a QB he is young and learning the Canadian game fast. In fact with Dru Brown's injury history they may keep Crum!
I agree but I don't think they would give up Crum, I think that Ford is the most likely to be traded
Streveler had 2 picks in the first half, and it could easily been 3. He cannot read a defense.
His constant needing to take the ball himself, either a bad handoff, or no reads, or even the planned runs, he just is not effective as a passer, and barely passable handing the ball off.
Yes, he made the team on his name, his NFL time, and his past contributions.
But I have no idea how he's kept his job. 2-0 as a starter was badly exposed today.
I have no issue him taking up a roster spot, and being used in spot duty, special packages, especially short yardage fakes. The TD he scored to Wilson had zero to do with him, 100% a missed assignment by Hamilton and Wilson actually waving at Streveler. When your only points come off a blown D player change, that's not good.
Not only were the picks horrible throws and missed reads, they were horrible field position. And Hamilton scored off both of them. Terrible.
The third INT that was dropped by HAM, he tried to thread a needle when there was zero chance of doing so. TWO HAM defenders closed the gap, both were in far better position to catch the ball than the crossing receiver. Complete and total misread that you might accept from a high school QB (and I mean a Canadian HS, not a US HS). Sorry, I may be saying brutal things, but they need to be said again and again until we make a change.
Zach/Wilson/Streveler should be the DC next game, and if Zach can't go, give Wilson the start, and give Wilson 100% of the starters snaps this week in practice. He needs to be ready.
Streveler is a sparkplug, for sure, but he's just not a starter, never has been.
Much as everyone "loves his attitude", I think its starting to hurt us. Feeling invulnerable is making him a liability, he needs to get out of his own way.
Both of Strev's picks were DCs and Ds specifically picking on our tendencies and complete inability of Hogan to double-bluff them. Zach threw these same picks! So don't just pin it on Strev.
We often blamed Zach's slow-wind and no-zip for these short picks. But Strev doesn't have a slow-wind (he basically doesn't do any winding), and doesn't have the no-zip problem (Strev puts plenty of heat on and his arm isn't 40yo like Zach's).
So if the result is the same, then the problem isn't the QB, it's the O plan and preparation and calling.
There is no world in which those DBs should have been cheating up on those short routes THAT MUCH. They don't even wait for the eyes or the wind-up. They are just jumping that route no matter what.
SO WHAT MENTAL GIANT DOESN'T PLAN AGAINST THE CHEATING BY FAKING THE CURL AND GOING TO THE POST? The pass doesn't even have to be that deep. Just drop it 10Y behind the cheating-up DB and it's 70Y of free YAC. Especially when we've successfully taken out the FS somehow.
Holy heck, I think we did a lot of that with even Nichols way back when. Fake short, go long one-on-one.
There is so much chess we can play, at least until the teams get film to see we're not mentally challenged anymore. But we just sit there and do curls that haven't worked for us since '23.
I don't mind the losing: it's the complete lack of applying our brains that is so aggravating.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:04:45 AMThe TD he scored to Wilson had zero to do with him, 100% a missed assignment by Hamilton and Wilson actually waving at Streveler.
I explained in the GDT, and I stand by it. That 3rd & 1 TD *only* happens because Strev was the starting QB. With Zach in that can't happen. It only happens because HAM can't sub in tempo. If we did a normal Zach->SY sub then HAM has normal time and normal personnel and they have that guy covered.
I would like to see the chart on the depth of Strevelers passes tonight. I bet 90% are 10 yds or less, so ya, why not cheat up and press/jump the ball, the dude isn't going to throw it deep from his standard drop . When he rolls out to buy time, ya he might throw it deep or run, but standard drop, everything is under 10 yards, so play press/jump and make him beat you deep.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:06:57 AMBoth of Strev's picks were DCs and Ds specifically picking on our tendencies and complete inability of Hogan to double-bluff them. Zach threw these same picks! So don't just pin it on Strev.
We often blamed Zach's slow-wind and no-zip for these short picks. But Strev doesn't have a slow-wind (he basically doesn't do any winding), and doesn't have the no-zip problem (Strev puts plenty of heat on and his arm isn't 40yo like Zach's).
So if the result is the same, then the problem isn't the QB, it's the O plan and preparation and calling.
There is no world in which those DBs should have been cheating up on those short routes THAT MUCH. They don't even wait for the eyes or the wind-up. They are just jumping that route no matter what.
SO WHAT MENTAL GIANT DOESN'T PLAN AGAINST THE CHEATING BY FAKING THE CURL AND GOING TO THE POST? The pass doesn't even have to be that deep. Just drop it 10Y behind the cheating-up DB and it's 70Y of free YAC. Especially when we've successfully taken out the FS somehow.
Holy heck, I think we did a lot of that with even Nichols way back when. Fake short, go long one-on-one.
There is so much chess we can play, at least until the teams get film to see we're not mentally challenged anymore. But we just sit there and do curls that haven't worked for us since '23.
I don't mind the losing: it's the complete lack of applying our brains that is so aggravating.
How do you know that those weren't the calls, and Strev just threw it anyway because he thought he could?
We have no idea what plays are called, and what progression of reads were to be made.
We do know that Streveler seems to fixate on first read and tries to force things in, and makes the wrong read far, far, far too much.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:11:06 AMI explained in the GDT, and I stand by it. That 3rd & 1 TD *only* happens because Strev was the starting QB. With Zach in that can't happen. It only happens because HAM can't sub in tempo. If we did a normal Zach->SY sub then HAM has normal time and normal personnel and they have that guy covered.
Hamilton subbed off their normal coverage DB's for some big boys to stop the short yardage run and nobody bumped out. It was more of a brain fart by the defense and a bigger brain fart by their DC to not call a TO when he saw the alignment miscue. That was JV high school football at its finest!!
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:36:29 AMI think he's terrible in that role.
He shouldn't be doing it.
His stats a few weeks ago at Short yardage were as good as Wilson's and has a success rate near the 90s, which likely has improved. The numbers indicate he is not terrible but good at this role. Not best anymore but still good.
Strev is good to make half the CFL teams imo, due to experience and cheap price tag
Value is decling though
Tough to see him struggle so much, Zach out and no Terry time. I would have sprinkled him in and played him at the end.
A bad situation that got worse today.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:14:32 AMHow do you know that those weren't the calls, and Strev just threw it anyway because he thought he could?
You are correct, those INTs
could have been 3-5th reads and Strev just wanted to force them anyhow.
However, Zach has made the exact same reads, and exact same INTs. I think teams film studied Hogan enough to know what he wants for those down & distances.
But we don't have to give Strev those options. He can be told that curl is clearing-only and it's not a viable read. He can be given juicier reads elsewhere, where he's told those are #1 & #2 reads.
If those INTs were double-moves and go routes with the DB caught cheating short, then it wouldn't have mattered because Strev couldn't have thrown those short INTs -- there would be no Bomber there to throw to.
We have a severe lack of thinking-2-moves-ahead in WFC right now. Some doorknobs still think we'll just win playing straight book and out-execute everyone. And we can't out-execute our way out of a paper bag.
Time to put the thinking cap on and get rid of the "we'll win playing vanilla ball" mindset.
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 03:15:02 AMHamilton subbed off their normal coverage DB's for some big boys to stop the short yardage run and nobody bumped out.
The point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all! It was tempo with no subs!
Are you guys forgetting HAM took a
too many men penalty on that play?
They tried to sub when it was impossible. ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB.
ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:20:48 AMYou are correct, those INTs could have been 3-5th reads and Strev just wanted to force them anyhow.
However, Zach has made the exact same reads, and exact same INTs. I think teams film studied Hogan enough to know what he wants for those down & distances.
But we don't have to give Strev those options. He can be told that curl is clearing-only and it's not a viable read. He can be given juicier reads elsewhere, where he's told those are #1 & #2 reads.
If those INTs were double-moves and go routes with the DB caught cheating short, then it wouldn't have mattered because Strev couldn't have thrown those short INTs -- there would be no Bomber there to throw to.
We have a severe lack of thinking-2-moves-ahead in WFC right now. Some doorknobs still think we'll just win playing straight book and out-execute everyone. And we can't out-execute our way out of a paper bag.
Time to put the thinking cap on and get rid of the "we'll win playing vanilla ball" mindset.
I seen similaries in our struggles at QB.
Both throwing the ball well at times but also getting too focused on making plays when not there, throwing into thick coverage or too tight of windows. Both QBs are good because of confidence but been on the wrong side of that for a bit and the ints are adding up. The play calling is a factor.
Biggest problem with Strev is his can't throw deep and his mid ball is a 25% chance.
Every game is the same. It doesn't matter what the calls are. Streveler is going to make the wrong read and throw picks. He's always done it. Always will do it. You can call plays from the back of a Boston Pizza kids menu or Andy Reid's secret pages and he'll still throw it into triple coverage while displaying "grit".
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 03:24:33 AMEvery game is the same. It doesn't matter what the calls are. Streveler is going to make the wrong read and throw picks. He's always done it. Always will do it. You can call plays from the back of a Boston Pizza kids menu or Andy Reid's secret pages and he'll still throw it into triple coverage while displaying "grit".
Hard to argue there. What if you called plays from Pizza Hut buffet lol.
Like Lapo says not seeing the pictures.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 13, 2025, 03:16:10 AMHis stats a few weeks ago at Short yardage were as good as Wilson's and has a success rate near the 90s, which likely has improved. The numbers indicate he is not terrible but good at this role. Not best anymore but still good.
Strev is good to make half the CFL teams imo, due to experience and cheap price tag
Value is decling though
Tough to see him struggle so much, Zach out and no Terry time. I would have sprinkled him in and played him at the end.
A bad situation that got worse today.
It's hard to be bad at getting one yard when the defense stands one yard away. That argument is a red herring.
Terry Wilson gets more yards. Multiple times more yards. Strev no longer has the speed and power.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:22:46 AMThe point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all! It was tempo with no subs!
Are you guys forgetting HAM took a too many men penalty on that play?
They tried to sub when it was impossible. ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB. ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.
The only flaw in your argument is that we could run a hurry-up without Strev.
And should.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 03:25:59 AMIt's hard to be bad at getting one yard when the defense stands one yard away. That argument is a red herring.
Terry Wilson gets more yards. Multiple times more yards. Strev no longer has the speed and power.
The success rate of both is similar. My argument was true last time and still is. Last time you tried to says I made up the stats, now I'm fishing for red herring lol.
I like em both at SY. Both good at it. Wilson can sometimes get more yards. Would have to see their averages to know for sure overall. I bet they similar on SY (average yard gained) but not sure. I would have had Wilson in on SY and a few packages today. Disappointed I didn't see that.
There are very few quarterbacks who are bad at short yardage. Even all five foot nine of Kevin Glenn could usually pick them up.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 03:27:40 AMThe only flaw in your argument is that we could run a hurry-up without Strev.
And should.
Not 3rd & 1 we ain't running tempo for a Zach sneak! I think we've done that once in forever?
You really want to cover your eyes and see what happens to Zach's noggin on a stupid sneak play??
Remember BLM being out 3 months with a broken ankle on a useless play like that in HAM?
Now... in a non-SY situation, sure of course, Zach can do it.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 13, 2025, 03:28:40 AMThe success rate of both is similar. My argument was true last time and still is. Last time you tried to says I made up the stats, now I'm fishing for red herring lol.
I like em both at SY. Both good at it. Wilson can sometimes get more yards. Would have to see their averages to know for sure overall. I bet they similar on SY (average yard gained) but not sure. I would have had Wilson in on SY and a few packages today. Disappointed I didn't see that.
The same stats are true now as they were then. Strev averages 1.1 yards and has multiple failures. Terry averages 3.2 yards with a single fail and multiple break aways.
It's very clear.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:22:46 AMThe point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all! It was tempo with no subs!
Are you guys forgetting HAM took a too many men penalty on that play?
They tried to sub when it was impossible. ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB. ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.
Your observation is correct. It WAS because Streveler was starting but also the SY QB. And yes, it would not have happened if Zach was the starter.
If Wilson was the starter (and SY QB), would HE have made that same completion?
Pretty sure he would have.
It was not because of Streveler's special skills, it was situational, and would have been an identical situation had Wilson been starting.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:34:26 AMNot 3rd & 1 we ain't running tempo for a Zach sneak! I think we've done that once in forever?
You really want to cover your eyes and see what happens to Zach's noggin on a stupid sneak play??
Remember BLM being out 3 months with a broken ankle on a useless play like that in HAM?
Now... in a non-SY situation, sure of course, Zach can do it.
I absolutely hate the short yardage package. I think it is ruining the game. It's a long conversation if you ever care to have it.
But in a specific situation where it would be beneficial to run a hurry-up, absolutely Zach should keep a good drive going.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:37:49 AMYour observation is correct. It WAS because Streveler was starting but also the SY QB. And yes, it would not have happened if Zach was the starter.
If Wilson was the starter (and SY QB), would HE have made that same completion?
Pretty sure he would have.
It was not because of Streveler's special skills, it was situational, and would have been an identical situation had Wilson been starting.
Not in practice.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:37:49 AMIf Wilson was the starter (and SY QB), would HE have made that same completion?
Pretty sure he would have.
It was not because of Streveler's special skills, it was situational, and would have been an identical situation had Wilson been starting.
100% yes. It wasn't due to Strev per se, it was due to the SY-QB-is-starter situation. I was only combating the notion that Strev had "nothing to do with that play".
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 03:38:18 AMI absolutely hate the short yardage package. I think it is ruining the game. It's a long conversation if you ever care to have it.
Start a thread then, as that's a major conversation. Have you forgot Dunigan's main booth talking point that "there's a whole lot of nasty going on at the bottom of that pile"? It's no place for a frail always-concussed 40yo like Zach. With MLBs flying over the top going for head shots and low guys trying to twist legs & ankles.
Yes, if you have a young buck QB like Rourke you can do it (and many teams do). Teams with older/weaker guys don't/can't. Who was it using Cody as his own SY (MTL?) sometimes? Ya, many people were saying "that's just stupid".
The CFL is such that the sneak is a critical component and should have a specialist. Because so many teams are like MOS and know you just need 9 in 2 downs, not 10. The last 1 is a free bingo spot. Or, at least it should be.
We've run it this way since the days of Marve. And our SY guy has always been nearly-perfect money. (Feve being my fave.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:43:00 AM100% yes. It wasn't due to Strev per se, it was due to the SY-QB-is-starter situation. I was only combating the notion that Strev had "nothing to do with that play".
He completed the pass. Did what he needed to do. Can't take that aspect away from him at all.
That said, it was a clear and easy mistake by the other team and you can't depend on that happening enough per game if that's the only way you can score.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 03:49:58 AMHe completed the pass. Did what he needed to do. Can't take that aspect away from him at all.
That said, it was a clear and easy mistake by the other team and you can't depend on that happening enough per game if that's the only way you can score.
No argument here. Not many teams will make the mistake HAM did. But their mistake was trying to sub on tempo, NOT leaving Wheatie wide open. The sub was the direct cause of the coverage mistake.
Strev. hasn't progressed since he came back from the NFL, the team should have deduced this before he was injured last year and made alternative plans by the end of the season. Now O'Shea is sticking with him out of spite, hoping he somehow begins to make plays he's clearly not capable of making. At this point, what's the point?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:55:52 AMNo argument here. Not many teams will make the mistake HAM did. But their mistake was trying to sub on tempo, NOT leaving Wheatie wide open. The sub was the direct cause of the coverage mistake.
We're arguing the semantics of in practice vs in theory on this one.
Yea, it was the substitution package that caused the mistake, no we don't need Strev in to run that kind of offence.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 03:56:37 AMStrev. hasn't progressed since he came back from the NFL, the team should have deduced this before he was injured last year and made alternative plans by the end of the season. Now O'Shea is sticking with him out of spite, hoping he somehow begins to make plays he's clearly not capable of making. At this point, what's the point?
And 95 is playing out of spite as well does he ever come of the field ?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 03:56:37 AMNow O'Shea is sticking with him out of spite, hoping he somehow begins to make plays he's clearly not capable of making.
I wonder if MOS isn't starting to get angry, not at the QBs, but at Hogan. We are doing nothing at all to set up our O to succeed. When the DBs are in front of every REC on a come-back route, that's on the scheme.
I'm going to check soon but I just know on the INTs the DBs were cheating back to cut the routes BEFORE Strev even wound up.
We show NOTHING NEW each week. We do NOTHING CREATIVE. We play the LAMEST PASS CALLS.
Even the lamest dumbest mundane bread & butter 2nd & 4 is IMPOSSIBLE for us to convert. Zach, Strev, doesn't matter. If we don't run it then it's hopeless: either a whiff or an INT.
And since I know for a FACT our RECs aren't crap (they are miles better than SSK's), then the only other factor is the STUPID UNINSPIRED schemes. At least in the short pass game...
This is entirely on Hogan, Jarius, and MOS. And I bet MOS is starting to notice too. I think there's some major heat coming their way, and we may see some shake-ups, because if the heat from the fires under their butts isn't doing anything, then what options are left?
I don't think any QB would have success here as long as our OL is allowing all kinds of pressure against a 3 man rush. The interior 3 need to be replaced is they can't improve their pass protection.
Its a catch 22 in order to be effective at all Strev has to run. With his style of running its a miracle he lasts a game
He never goes down on his own has had a ton of wear and tear along with significant injuries.
Yet the coaches seem to ignore this. What makes it worse we seem to have no backup qb that we have any faith in.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:11:06 AMI explained in the GDT, and I stand by it. That 3rd & 1 TD *only* happens because Strev was the starting QB. With Zach in that can't happen. It only happens because HAM can't sub in tempo. If we did a normal Zach->SY sub then HAM has normal time and normal personnel and they have that guy covered.
100 true but it was a one and done. not going to happen again.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 13, 2025, 03:25:56 AMHard to argue there. What if you called plays from Pizza Hut buffet lol.
Like Lapo says not seeing the pictures.
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Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 04:56:07 PMIts a catch 22 in order to be effective at all Strev has to run. With his style of running its a miracle he lasts a game
He never goes down on his own has had a ton of wear and tear along with significant injuries.
Yet the coaches seem to ignore this. What makes it worse we seem to have no backup qb that we have any faith in.
Strev. is the definition of brawn over brain, his desperate attempt to penetrate the endzone on the last play was pointless but also sad to watch.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 13, 2025, 03:16:10 AMHis stats a few weeks ago at Short yardage were as good as Wilson's and has a success rate near the 90s, which likely has improved. The numbers indicate he is not terrible but good at this role. Not best anymore but still good.
Strev is good to make half the CFL teams imo, due to experience and cheap price tag
Value is decling though
Tough to see him struggle so much, Zach out and no Terry time. I would have sprinkled him in and played him at the end.
A bad situation that got worse today.
Steveler is not good to make half the teams in the CFL.
Montreal-No
Hamilton-No
Toronto-No
Ottawa-No
Edmonton-No
Saskatchewan-No
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 13, 2025, 06:32:42 PMSteveler is not good to make half the teams in the CFL.
Montreal-No
Hamilton-No
Toronto-No
Ottawa-No
Edmonton-No
Saskatchewan-No
Not good enough to win the # 2 QB spot in Winnipeg but was awarded the spot before TC IMO.
Too bad. He's certainly a popular player for fans and team mates. His skill set has never been top tier and injuries have taken away his running ability that he had earlier in his career.
He's more of a player in a LB body that wants to be a QB. Tough cookie that's for sure.
Our roster is at a cross roads with it's aging 'stars', namely Jefferson and Collaros are well past their prime, and we're due to move on from these guys and it's gonna be tough. MOS is a players coach and is loyal to his players to a fault, and I just don't see him cutting them, it will be a financial issue at contract re-signing.
I'd be looking at an up and coming Dlineman like Betts or Ceresna, if you're going to dole out some $$, and Jefferson would get a fraction of what he's getting now. And I'd get Cody here next year or failing that Arbuckle or even Crumb!! and if Zach wants to go to #2 at a cheaper price and extend his playing days, fine, if not, it's time to move on and it'll be tougher than when we moved on from Harris and Biggie as he's done so much for our us in the last 5 years.
Quote from: VictorRomano on September 13, 2025, 04:06:54 AMI don't think any QB would have success here as long as our OL is allowing all kinds of pressure against a 3 man rush. The interior 3 need to be replaced is they can't improve their pass protection.
This off season upgrading the O line has to be a priority.The Bombers need to go hard in free agency and get a couple of top rate o linemen.
strev is NOT hurt - seen this afternoon walking just fine out and about. won't say where to respect players privacy.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 08:45:37 PMstrev is NOT hurt - seen this afternoon walking just fine out and about. won't say where to respect players privacy.
...was it beside a series of TVs that show whether or not outbound flights are on time?
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 07:04:47 PMOur roster is at a cross roads with it's aging 'stars', namely Jefferson and Collaros are well past their prime, and we're due to move on from these guys and it's gonna be tough. MOS is a players coach and is loyal to his players to a fault, and I just don't see him cutting them, it will be a financial issue at contract re-signing.
I'd be looking at an up and coming Dlineman like Betts or Ceresna, if you're going to dole out some $$, and Jefferson would get a fraction of what he's getting now. And I'd get Cody here next year or failing that Arbuckle or even Crumb!! and if Zach wants to go to #2 at a cheaper price and extend his playing days, fine, if not, it's time to move on and it'll be tougher than when we moved on from Harris and Biggie as he's done so much for our us in the last 5 years.
Worried O'Shea will blindly pledge his commitment to Collaros as his QB through next season without any reconsideration, simply because they've already signed a contract extension. Not hard to imagine him extending the same blind committment to Streveler.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 09:07:03 PMWorried O'Shea will blindly pledge his commitment to Collaros as his QB through next season without any reconsideration, simply because they've already signed a contract extension. Not hard to imagine him extending the same blind committment to Streveler.
Yeah, unfortunately thats my feeling too. I actually think Zach has a bit left in the tank if he had a good O-line and and OC (especially an OC with some experience that could rein him in in terms of pushing the envelope and throwing interceptions), and I'm not sure there is a better QB out there who will be available to us. The problem will be that O'Shea will trot out the same O-line next year, and keep Hogan on as well. His best quality, loyalty and being a player's coach, is also his worst quality unfortunately. I'm hoping Miller puts his foot down, but not holding my breath. It will probably take a major hit to his bottom line for Miller to step in.
Quote from: bunker on September 13, 2025, 09:15:24 PMYeah, unfortunately thats my feeling too. I actually think Zach has a bit left in the tank if he had a good O-line and and OC (especially an OC with some experience that could rein him in in terms of pushing the envelope and throwing interceptions), and I'm not sure there is a better QB out there who will be available to us. The problem will be that O'Shea will trot out the same O-line next year, and keep Hogan on as well. His best quality, loyalty and being a player's coach, is also his worst quality unfortunately. I'm hoping Miller puts his foot down, but not holding my breath. It will probably take a major hit to his bottom line for Miller to step in.
I think Zach is too fragile to gamble another season on, he's missed a substantial amount of game-time already this season and he's just going to get worse the older he gets. No O-line is going to offer him perfect protection, especially when he fails to account for a LB come around the corner unblocked.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 08:51:07 PM...was it beside a series of TVs that show whether or not outbound flights are on time?
lol.
No
guarantee his wife dragged him there...demski and fam were there as well
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 10:30:19 PMI think Zach is too fragile to gamble another season on, he's missed a substantial amount of game-time already this season and he's just going to get worse the older he gets. No O-line is going to offer him perfect protection, especially when he fails to account for a LB come around the corner unblocked.
You might be right on that.
MOS to think our best chance to win is this slate of QBs as they are is lunacy!
Strevy cannot play the CFL game well enough any more. Zach should be done. Wilson we may never know because MOS mind set is so ridiculously loyal.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 10:30:19 PMI think Zach is too fragile to gamble another season on, he's missed a substantial amount of game-time already this season and he's just going to get worse the older he gets. No O-line is going to offer him perfect protection, especially when he fails to account for a LB come around the corner unblocked.
Remember the seasons not that long ago where our OL kept Zach clean for many/most games? Entire games where they didn't touch him, or the odd minor tackle or bump. Member? Member? I member.
You buy yourself that '21 OL and Zach can flourish again.
He'll be that QB having all day to throw, like we see so many of our opponents doing...
So ya, we can get an OL that will keep him mostly untouched.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 09:07:03 PMWorried O'Shea will blindly pledge his commitment to Collaros as his QB through next season without any reconsideration
Well, if that's all KW gives him, then that's what MOS will play. Finding/signing the QBs is KW's job.
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 07:04:47 PMOur roster is at a cross roads with it's aging 'stars', namely Jefferson
We drop Willie (whose salary is quite reasonable now), and 8 other teams are scrambling to pick him up. Can you imagine BC if they had Betts on 1 side and Willie on the other?
Willie has plenty left in the tank. He's never injured (due to play style and avoidance), and has/is NOT falling into Odell age-related drop-off.
And if our scheme ignores the concept of pass-rush, what good will another great DE do for us?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 13, 2025, 06:55:18 PMNot good enough to win the # 2 QB spot in Winnipeg but was awarded the spot before TC IMO.
Too bad. He's certainly a popular player for fans and team mates. His skill set has never been top tier and injuries have taken away his running ability that he had earlier in his career.
He's more of a player in a LB body that wants to be a QB. Tough cookie that's for sure.
I think I was wrong on making half the clubs but he would make some as a #3 imo. Tough to see him get early success and then struggle so much.
Make some good points here. I just want him to succeed but maybe I have to come to realization that isn't going to happen that likley.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 14, 2025, 05:27:40 AMI think I was wrong on making half the clubs but he would make some as a #3 imo. Tough to see him get early success and then struggle so much.
Make some good points here. I just want him to succeed but maybe I have to come to realization that isn't going to happen that likley.
Teams want their # 3 QB to be the development QB. OTOH, if they have a solid # 1 and developing # 2 then a QB like Streveler could be a # 3 QB at the right price.
For example when we still had Dru Brown as our # 2 QB then that could have been a role Streveler could have filled.
The problem is that every player wants to be playing and contributing. In that sense I don't see him filling that role unless a team has significant injuries at that position. Secondly I don't think it's a role he wants to fill.
We've seen younger QB's like Dolegala or Patterson released and then added to rosters as injuries strike. One one hand lower SMS hit and still some CFL experience and possible upside.
Looking at the Bombers in 2026, Streveler and Wilson are in the final year of their contracts. Artopoleus is on the PR and would have to be re-signed post season. Elgersma might decide during the off season to sign a contract in Winnipeg.
That's a lot of moving parts even if Collaros returns which is also not guaranteed.
Too early to tell who will be available in free agency but there will be a few.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2025, 03:12:33 PMTeams want their # 3 QB to be the development QB. OTOH, if they have a solid # 1 and developing # 2 then a QB like Streveler could be a # 3 QB at the right price.
For example when we still had Dru Brown as our # 2 QB then that could have been a role Streveler could have filled.
The problem is that every player wants to be playing and contributing. In that sense I don't see him filling that role unless a team has significant injuries at that position. Secondly I don't think it's a role he wants to fill.
We've seen younger QB's like Dolegala or Patterson released and then added to rosters as injuries strike. One one hand lower SMS hit and still some CFL experience and possible upside.
Looking at the Bombers in 2026, Streveler and Wilson are in the final year of their contracts. Artopoleus is on the PR and would have to be re-signed post season. Elgersma might decide during the off season to sign a contract in Winnipeg.
That's a lot of moving parts even if Collaros returns which is also not guaranteed.
Too early to tell who will be available in free agency but there will be a few.
Make a lot of good points here. Only certainty is change around these parts.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 03:22:46 AMThe point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all! It was tempo with no subs!
Are you guys forgetting HAM took a too many men penalty on that play?
They tried to sub when it was impossible. ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB. ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.
But the point is, does that happen if we had Wilson in as starter? It was a situational result. Doesn't happen with Zach, but it isn't a Streveler only result. Had Wilson been in, same result.
Not "Only Streveler makes that play", sorry.
Who cares?
It's completely irrelevant. Hamilton blew that play and it will be the only time this year any team in the league does it. It has nothing to do with keeping the QB in or not. Teams do both frequently throughout the year and never once has anyone said, "smart thinking to leave their QB in, they'll probably leave a guy totally uncovered on the perimeter."
Hilarious.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 06:36:44 PMWho cares?
It's completely irrelevant. Hamilton blew that play and it will be the only time this year any team in the league does it. It has nothing to do with keeping the QB in or not. Teams do both frequently throughout the year and never once has anyone said, "smart thinking to leave their QB in, they'll probably leave a guy totally uncovered on the perimeter."
Hilarious.
No, the conjecture was that only Streveler could have made that play. That the play's success was 100% Streveler, and not situational.
And because of this one play, Streveler is the nest backup in the league, and should always be Zach's backup over Wilson or Chase. (I will continue to use "Chase" an not Artie, or The Greek as my preferred name for him. It will be a while before we get the spelling of Artopoeus, much like when Lirim was here)
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 07:01:15 PMNo, the conjecture was that only Streveler could have made that play. That the play's success was 100% Streveler, and not situational.
And because of this one play, Streveler is the nest backup in the league, and should always be Zach's backup over Wilson or Chase. (I will continue to use "Chase" an not Artie, or The Greek as my preferred name for him. It will be a while before we get the spelling of Artopoeus, much like when Lirim was here)
I am agreeing with you. It had nothing to do with anything we did.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 07:01:15 PMNo, the conjecture was that only Streveler could have made that play. That the play's success was 100% Streveler, and not situational.
Absolutely no one said only Strev could make that play. I was saying the play only works because we had a starting QB in who was also a SY specialist. It just so happened Strev was the QB that game. And that is 100% true. Yes, if Wilson had started then he too would have made that play.
The counter point some were making is that if Zach was starting then we get that play. This is hogwash because if Zach was starting we would do a sub (not tempo) and then HAM gets to make their normal sub and there is no chaos, confusion or time constraint. Then they would spot the guy and cover him.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for some to understand?
So if you're now saying is was "
situational", then we are saying the exact same thing and I'm not sure why anyone is still arguing.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 06:36:44 PMIt's completely irrelevant. Hamilton blew that play and it will be the only time this year any team in the league does it. It has nothing to do with keeping the QB in or not.
Except in this instance it
is 100% because we "[kept] the QB in". If we made our normal SY sub (which we may have, we had Wilson come in for Strev earlier in the year) then there is no chaos by HAM and the REC wouldn't be open.
As for "many teams don't sub", yes you are correct, but that is the few teams who NEVER sub anyhow. So teams have already planned around a no-sub situation, and, again, there is no chaos.
The entire issue is HAM trying to sub when you CANNOT and the ensuing chaos. Why did they do this? Because NO ONE IN HAM had planned for WPG
not to sub in at SY. Why? Because 99% of the time with Zach in we sub on SY. And even 85% of the time this season we subbed in Wilson on SY when Strev was starting.
We screwed up their plans & expectations and
they didn't know how to cope. The should have just lumped it, kept their personnel unchanged, and gotten a DB out to cover Wheatie.
Remember, no matter what they were taking that too many men penalty and we 100% get a 1st down.
I guarantee you someone in HAM is getting a stern dressing down for that debacle.
Anyone who doesn't understand the chaos needs to watch the play again and note the 2-4 HAM guys desperately trying to get off the field when we are clearing going to snap it. It wasn't that they barely didn't make it, they were still miles from the sideline.
And watch the HAM D gaggle/huddle trying to get a formation, it's a complete poop show with nobody in place, everyone looking confused, no one thinking or ready.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a team try to sub in like that in tempo. It's never going to work. It's almost always a TMM flag.
That is the entire reason O's go tempo in this situation, to force the personnel on the field to play a snap they aren't designed for.
Techno, for the 20th time, leaving in the quarterback who was running the offense to also do the sneak should never, and I repeat, never result in the defense not covering a receiver.
All Hamilton had to do is what has been 50 other times this season by every team and that's match up and defend.
They didn't and we scored. Good for us. You're taking two separate things which do not correlate, and trying to correlate them which is a mistake someone makes if they don't fundamentally understand something.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2025, 02:31:41 AMTechno, for the 20th time, leaving in the quarterback who was running the offense to also do the sneak should never, and I repeat, never result in the defense not covering a receiver.
All Hamilton had to do is what has been 50 other times this season by every team and that's match up and defend.
They didn't and we scored. Good for us. You're taking two separate things which do not correlate, and trying to correlate them which is a mistake someone makes if they don't fundamentally understand something.
the other factor was their coaches were asleep... you call a time out when things are that messed up
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2025, 02:31:41 AMTechno, for the 20th time, leaving in the quarterback who was running the offense to also do the sneak should never, and I repeat, never result in the defense not covering a receiver.
All Hamilton had to do is what has been 50 other times this season by every team and that's match up and defend.
They didn't and we scored. Good for us. You're taking two separate things which do not correlate, and trying to correlate them which is a mistake someone makes if they don't fundamentally understand something.
It's you who aren't understanding. Yes, HAM should have done what they did 50 other times which is
leave in the players that were on the field. If you're saying that, then we are in agreement and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Until you say they
should not have tried to sub in tempo you aren't saying the correct thing.
The play worked for us only because, and this is very simple:
1. tempo because starter=SY
2. no subs
3. ham subbed
4. about to take TMM flag, chaos, panic, confusion
5. guy open
6. profit
The fundamental mistake wasn't #5, the cause of the entire debacle was #3.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2025, 02:31:41 AMTechno, for the 20th time, leaving in the quarterback who was running the offense to also do the sneak should never, and I repeat, never result in the defense not covering a receiver.
And to be clear, I 100% agree with the above quote.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 02:46:09 AMIt's you who aren't understanding. Yes, HAM should have done what they did 50 other times which is leave in the players that were on the field. If you're saying that, then we are in agreement and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Until you say they should not have tried to sub in tempo you aren't saying the correct thing.
The play worked for us only because, and this is very simple:
1. tempo because starter=SY
2. no subs
3. ham subbed
4. about to take TMM flag, chaos, panic, confusion
5. guy open
6. profit
The fundamental mistake wasn't #5, the cause of the entire debacle was #3.
Obviously they shouldn't have subbed. That's your point after 76 posts about this nonsense?
What's next, we lost because they scored more points?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 15, 2025, 02:51:06 AMObviously they shouldn't have subbed. That's your point after 76 posts about this nonsense?
What's next, we lost because they scored more points?
SMH. Not my fault it took 76 posts...
That was a once in a decade or three play. We got incredibly lucky and got a TD. That's all that needed to be said.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 15, 2025, 02:14:43 PMThat was a once in a decade or three play. We got incredibly lucky and got a TD. That's all that needed to be said.
And man was it a bucket load of fun. I was cheering/screaming loudly at that one. Too bad it didn't lead us to a win.