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Title: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on September 12, 2025, 08:05:56 PM
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Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on September 12, 2025, 08:07:07 PM
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Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on September 12, 2025, 08:13:18 PM
QB Chad Kelly left off Toronto Argonauts' roster vs Edmonton despite dropping comeback video
By 3Down Staff -September 12, 2025

Chad Kelly
will not make his official comeback in Week 15, no matter what he says on social media.

The 31-year-old quarterback was officially left off the Toronto Argonauts' depth chart for their game against the Edmonton Elks on Saturday, remaining on the six-game injured list. Head coach Ryan Dinwiddie already confirmed earlier in the week that Nick Arbuckle would start under centre, though there was hope that Kelly would at least dress after being limited all week in practice.

Last week, Kelly posted a video to his Instagram account featuring clips of him in an Argonauts uniform at BMO Field. The words "the comeback" were written across the screen near the end of the video, along with the date for Toronto's upcoming home game. It appears that the team is not bound by the same timeline as that personal marketing video.

Kelly has yet to dress for the Argonauts since he suffered a fractured right tibia and fibula during the East Final last year. In 45 career regular-season CFL games, he has completed 67.6 percent of his passes for 6,871 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 23 interceptions. He has also rushed 113 times for 599 yards and 19 scores. The native of Buffalo, N.Y. won a Grey Cup with Toronto as a rookie in 2022 and was named the league's Most Outstanding Player in 2023.

Nick Arbuckle has started all 12 of Toronto's games this season, completing 72.8 percent of his passes for 3,828 yards, 23 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions. He has also rushed 38 times for 150 yards and two scores to lead the team in rushing until Spencer Brown passed him during the Labour Day Classic against Hamilton on Monday.

Actually making their returns to the lineup this week are American running back Deonta McMahon, Canadian long snapper Adam Guillemette, and Global defensive lineman Thiadric Hansen. Canadian offensive lineman Anthony Vandal (ankle) has been placed on the one-game injured list, while American receiver Dorian Anderson and Canadian long snapper Simon Chaves return to the practice roster.

The Toronto Argonauts (4-8) will host the Edmonton Elks (5-7) on Saturday, September 13 with kickoff slated for 3:00 p.m. EDT. The Elks got a 31-19 upset win over Calgary last week, while Toronto was on a bye.

The weather forecast in Toronto calls for a high of 24 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud. The game will be broadcast on TSN and CTV in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 880 CHED in Edmonton and TSN 1050 in Toronto.

https://3downnation.com/2025/09/12/qb-chad-kelly-left-off-toronto-argonauts-roster-vs-edmonton-despite-dropping-comeback-video/
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on September 12, 2025, 08:18:34 PM
Award-winning LB Nick Anderson returns for Edmonton Elks against Toronto
By 3Down Staff -September 12, 2025

The Edmonton Elks are getting a massive piece of their defence back against the Toronto Argonauts.

Linebacker Nick Anderson returns to the lineup following a stint on the six-game injured list with a groin injury. The 25-year-old appeared in the first six games for Edmonton this year, recording 39 defensive tackles and one sack.

The native of Vicksburg, Miss. was named the CFL's Most Outstanding Rookie in 2024 after recording 111 defensive tackles, five special teams tackles, three sacks, two forced fumbles, and one interception. He was also named an All-CFL at linebacker.

Anderson will take over for rookie Brock Mogensen in the middle. Canadian linebacker Josiah Schakel has been ruled out with a rib injury, while defensive lineman Elijah Alston has been returned to the practice roster.

The Elks could be without the services of top returner and backup running back Javon Leake, who is listed as a game-time decision due to illness. Rookie Canadian running back Isaiah Knight will make his CFL debut as insurance at that position. Fullback Tanner Green (knee) has been placed on the six-game injured list and will be replaced by Jacob Plamondon.

The Edmonton Elks (5-7) will visit the Toronto Argonauts (4-8) on Saturday, September 13 with kickoff slated for 3:00 p.m. EDT. The Elks got a 31-19 upset win over Calgary last week, while Toronto was on a bye.

The weather forecast in Toronto calls for a high of 24 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud. The game will be broadcast on TSN and CTV in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 880 CHED in Edmonton and TSN 1050 in Toronto.

https://3downnation.com/2025/09/12/award-winning-lb-nick-anderson-returns-for-edmonton-elks-against-toronto/
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Stats Junkie on September 13, 2025, 08:29:15 PM
First half observations

- no run game for either team
- Toronto failed twice on 3rd and short when handing off out of shot gun.
- Edmonton time count with 11 seconds left in half. Hajrullahu doesn't kick the FG on the final play without those 9½ yards.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: BBRT on September 13, 2025, 08:36:13 PM
If Edmonton wins this game they will have the same record as the Bombers and based on how the Bombers look at the moment I have my doubts whether or not we could beat them when we hook up again.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Stats Junkie on September 13, 2025, 09:37:46 PM
Arbuckle comes out of the tent and limps onto the field only to throw his 4th interception of the game (5 if you count the one that was negated by penalty).

I think Edmonton's turn around lately is more about improved defensive play than Fajardo in for Ford.

A couple of injuries on Edmonton's D today.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: barbk on September 13, 2025, 10:04:29 PM
What a insulting move on Dinwitty with his move to the Edmonton bench... class act
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Stats Junkie on September 13, 2025, 10:04:46 PM
Who had Doege with the game winning FG drive for the win on their bingo card?

Fajardo strip sack for a TD earlier in the 4th was the key play to the Argos win.

The time count prior to halftime could have been the turning point.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Blue In BC on September 13, 2025, 10:07:18 PM
Quite the finish. I don't know if that made the chances of a western team crossover easier or harder. It did make it more difficult for the Elks to finish 4th and be in that position. We have a 13 point advantage in our 2nd game against them.

Now all we have to do is finish ahead of the Lions to win 3rd in the west. A crossover is still there as plan B.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: dd on September 13, 2025, 10:08:53 PM
Man I d love to have dinwiddie as our HC. He game plans for his backup Qb only to change that in game for his backup backup Qb and manages a clock like you should. Calls plays attacking the prevent D to get the ball in field goal range for the win. Hogan and O'Shea couldn't tie this guys boots to come to the park, but awesome to see a smart strategic approach to the game vs run the RPO option have have your Qb try to win the game on his own.  Tell me doege didn't look better than 4 yr streveler and didn t they just acquire him?? Guarantee you if Wilson was on the Argos roster he would have done just fine too, that's the difference when you have a smart coach who understands the game. And isn't dinwiddie both hc and OC?? He's got alot going on and still outsmarts everyone
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 10:09:07 PM
chad time i guess if arbs is hurt
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 01:59:08 AM
I'm just starting my football day...

What on earth is TOR going for shotgun handoff to MacMahon on 3rd & 1?  See how important it is to have a solid SY unit that can 99% get you 3rd & 1, without the risk of taking it off the line?

EDM run blitzed and hosed them way behind LoS.

Pretty funny, actually.  Love seeing the look on Dinwiddie's face.  His goofy looks are almost as satisfying as Maas'.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 02:42:54 AM
Oh my, 2Q1:20 and TOR does it AGAIN, shotgun 3rd & 1 and they get nada and TOD.  WOW.

Does TOR not have a sneak unit??  What are they thinking?  MacMahon can't get yards if his life depended on it.  It's his first game back.  Was he injured?  Still injured probably.

Haha, challenging the spot, good luck with that with garbage camera angles because he ran right and so the entire box of bodies is obscuring the cameras.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 02:56:27 AM
Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 13, 2025, 08:29:15 PM- no run game for either team

Which is quite odd because Dinwiddie likes to try to have a run game.  And even odder given what Rankin did for EDM last week (200Y)!

I'm expecting Rankin to do better in the 2nd H.  TOR hasn't been that great against the run this season, no?
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 03:01:05 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 02:56:27 AMWhich is quite odd because Dinwiddie likes to try to have a run game.  And even odder given what Rankin did for EDM last week (200Y)!

I'm expecting Rankin to do better in the 2nd H.  TOR hasn't been that great against the run this season, no?

I was betting on Rankin to have another big game, but the Argo D-line pretty much shut him down.  A preview of what they could do to any RB including Brady. Every other team has gone to a powerful RB and the Argos are still messing around with little scat backs.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: dd on September 14, 2025, 03:05:35 AM
Nice little dust up and the end of the game, I didn't catch all of the post game presser but apparently someone was chirping dinwiddie all game from the Edmonton bench and then didn't like it when he teed off on them after the winning field goal. I thought Edmonton was classier than that, What a bunch of D bags Edmonton coaching staff is especially killam for let ting this go on. MOS would never have anyone from our club carry on like that. Glad Edmonton lost for more than one reason!!
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 03:49:00 AM
The brutal hurdle stop in 3rd... Ya, shocked they didn't immediately flag it.  He doesn't have to jump with the hurdler and 2-hand punch him directly in the face.  If the DB doesn't jump his 2 hands hit the chest and no penalty.

Oh ya, notice how EITS flagged this with no challenge?  Again, why did we haev to challenge the Zach hit??
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:24:37 AM
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 03:05:35 AMNice little dust up and the end of the game, I didn't catch all of the post game presser but apparently someone was chirping dinwiddie all game from the Edmonton bench

Having the benches on the same side in many East stadiums is the dumbest thing ever, and should be banned.  For what?  Just so they can put more of those on-field premium seats?  It's horrible.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 10:08:53 PMMan I d love to have dinwiddie as our HC. He game plans for his backup Qb only to change that in game for his backup backup Qb and manages a clock like you should.

Dinwiddie has the advantage of being the HC and the OC.  And he's really more OC than HC.  If you can be a competent HC and great OC then you can have a definite advantage, assuming you don't get overwhelmed.

Dinwiddie is at least at the level of Lapo for brainy OC.  And he does seem to be the QB whisperer, working with whatever he's given.

If TOR had any other OC for the '24, TOR loses that game.  Getting Arbuckle to play that well in 1 week was an unbelievable feat.

We don't need Dinwiddie, though.  What we need is our OC + HC to up their game to accomplish the same things.  And not just QB, every player needs to be schemed better.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:33:53 AM
Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 13, 2025, 09:37:46 PMI think Edmonton's turn around lately is more about improved defensive play than Fajardo in for Ford.

A couple of injuries on Edmonton's D today.

Yes, and EDM sends a lot of heat.  Our OL will have trouble.  However, we can counter it with a run-heavy game plan.  EDM is still vulnerable against the run, especially if Anderson is IRd.

Contain Rankin and take a pick off Cody when he does his lame deep shot, and we might actually have a shot!  However, we have to stop giving the ball away.  That's job #1.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:41:40 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:30:28 AMDinwiddie has the advantage of being the HC and the OC.  And he's really more OC than HC.  If you can be a competent HC and great OC then you can have a definite advantage, assuming you don't get overwhelmed.

Dinwiddie is at least at the level of Lapo for brainy OC.  And he does seem to be the QB whisperer, working with whatever he's given.

If TOR had any other OC for the '24, TOR loses that game.  Getting Arbuckle to play that well in 1 week was an unbelievable feat.

We don't need Dinwiddie, though.  What we need is our OC + HC to up their game to accomplish the same things.  And not just QB, every player needs to be schemed better.
C mon man, dinwiddie is niles better than lapo—-you think lapo could have done what dinwiddie did in last years GC, I don't, not even for a second.his offense in Ottawa was brutal and so was he as an OC and HC
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:45:48 AM
Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 13, 2025, 09:37:46 PMArbuckle comes out of the tent and limps onto the field only to throw his 4th interception of the game (5 if you count the one that was negated by penalty).

I think Edmonton's turn around lately is more about improved defensive play than Fajardo in for Ford.

A couple of injuries on Edmonton's D today.
Get serious for half a second. You out ford into today's game and Toronto walks away with it. He is a horrible Qb, and much of Edmonton's turnaround has been because fajardo can put up some points. Ford was lucky to put up 10 points a game and complete 5 passes. See it for what it is and not let your Cody hatred skew things
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:49:33 AM
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:41:40 AMC mon man, dinwiddie is niles better than lapo—-you think lapo could have done what dinwiddie did in last years GC, I don't, not even for a second.his offense in Ottawa was brutal and so was he as an OC and HC

Lapo is the one that came up with the Strev packages in 2019 that probably were why we made it to the cup.  That's some QB whispering too.  He also managed to get the maximum out of Nichols.

Ya, Dinwiddie probably wins a head to head, but it's not by a ton.  There's very few genius minds for scheme and matching your schemes to talent.

Lapo in OTT is no fair comparison to anything.  The team was toast for years before he showed up, and just kept sucking because they had no players at all.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:54:40 AM
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:45:48 AMGet serious for half a second. You out ford into today's game and Toronto walks away with it. He is a horrible Qb, and much of Edmonton's turnaround has been because fajardo can put up some points. Ford was lucky to put up 10 points a game and complete 5 passes. See it for what it is and not let your Cody hatred skew things

But he wasn't saying Cody did nothing, he said the D improving mattered more than Cody.  Cody certainly appears to make them look way more "legit", because he's a more traditional, and accomplished/vet, QB.

If you want to pin it more on Cody, that's a legit take.  Might even be true.  But that EDM D is really tightening up.  Tough to run against, too.  But it appears to be very dependent on injury situation.  If their high $ MLB is out again, that won't be good for them.

Keep in mind EDM spent GOBS on their D last off-season.  Not so much on their O.
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Waffler on September 14, 2025, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 03:05:35 AMNice little dust up and the end of the game, I didn't catch all of the post game presser but apparently someone was chirping dinwiddie all game from the Edmonton bench and then didn't like it when he teed off on them after the winning field goal. I thought Edmonton was classier than that, What a bunch of D bags Edmonton coaching staff is especially killam for let ting this go on. MOS would never have anyone from our club carry on like that. Glad Edmonton lost for more than one reason!!
It was no Rita vs Reinebold but it was the oddest one in several years. Maybe the last one was the Toronto/Hamilton playoff of 2021? Dinwiddie/Argo franchise again....

Jordan Williams was the chirper, the same guy let go after the "pretender in our building" speech.

Link breaking down the details and including video of Dinwiddie's kicking motion:

https://3downnation.com/2025/09/13/those-guys-can-enjoy-the-offseason-argos-ryan-dinwiddie-blames-altercation-with-elks-bench-on-pretender-not-in-our-building/
Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Stats Junkie on September 15, 2025, 05:25:15 AM
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:45:48 AMGet serious for half a second. You out ford into today's game and Toronto walks away with it. He is a horrible Qb, and much of Edmonton's turnaround has been because fajardo can put up some points. Ford was lucky to put up 10 points a game and complete 5 passes. See it for what it is and not let your Cody hatred skew things
I'm not sure how you equate my comment to hatred for Cody Fajardo.

Edmonton has allowed 22 or fewer points in 5 games since Fajardo took over as the starter and Edmonton is 4-1 in those games. Edmonton has allowed 28 or more points in 8 games this season (3 times since Fajardo took over) and Edmonton is 1-7 in those games.

I think the only critique I have ever directed towards Cody Fajardo was about people who try to correlate a high completion percentage with efficiency. I stand by that comment as a 77% completion percentage doesn't mean anything if you have to punt 50% of the time. That critique was as much of a commentary about the CFL media as it was about Fajardo. Yes, Fajardo has a high Pass Efficiency Rating (111.3). Unfortunately, we continue to use an antiquated formula that over values completion percentage. I suppose that is where the media gets the idea that Fajardo is efficient. A couple of TSN talking heads have made comments this season about not understanding what the ratings actually mean or how the formula works.

That formula was developed more than 50 years ago and based on an average performance of:
- 50% completion percentage
- 7.0 yards per pass attempt
- 5 TD passes per 100 pass attempts
- 5.5 interceptions per 100 pass attempts

Title: Re: GDT Edm at Tor, Sat Sep 13, 2:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 15, 2025, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 05:54:40 AMBut he wasn't saying Cody did nothing, he said the D improving mattered more than Cody.  Cody certainly appears to make them look way more "legit", because he's a more traditional, and accomplished/vet, QB.

If you want to pin it more on Cody, that's a legit take.  Might even be true.  But that EDM D is really tightening up.  Tough to run against, too.  But it appears to be very dependent on injury situation.  If their high $ MLB is out again, that won't be good for them.

Keep in mind EDM spent GOBS on their D last off-season.  Not so much on their O.

Yep, on paper the Elks D looked great (except maybe their secondary) since they won free agency, they're finally playing up to the level that was expected of them right out of the gate.  Their high $ MLB Nick Anderson, is nasty but cheap, he was the CFL's top rookie last season and is still on his ELC.