With Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer comes the - not totally unexpected - news that Zack Collaros will not be available for Friday's game against the TiCats.
"It's hardly a newsflash given what has unfolded over the last few days, but it is now officially official: the Winnipeg Blue Bombers will head into Steeltown this week to start the final third of their Canadian Football League schedule without starting quarterback Zach Collaros."
Chris Streveler gets another opportunity to start "with Terry Wilson and Chase Artopoeus available in the quarterback bullpen."
The good news is that Deatrick Nichols returned to full practice participation today after being on the sidelines yesterday, good news indeed.
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/09/10/48-hour-primer-week-15-at-hamilton/
Bomber players deemed out for the upcoming game include:
Jamal Parker
Enock Makonzo
Tanner Schmekel
Zach Collaros
Jerreth Sterns
Friday's game is also designated to be the 'Team Ted Game' to honour Tiger-Cats GM Ted Goveia, a long-time fixture in Canadian football and a key part of the Blue Bombers success for over 10 years before his hiring in Steeltown.
Goveia was diagnosed with a serious form of cancer in the spring, and several teams have worn 'Team Ted' T-shirts in support.
3 of the 5 CFL writers predict a Hamilton win. Hopefully the Bombers will have a performance that says something different!
As always, depth charts and updated news will be forthcoming tomorrow!
HAM has a serious DL & front 7 that does nothing to aid Strev's main "strength": his running. HAM will almost certainly force the air game. Strev will have to reach deep within in order to produce anything.
It may be for the better. Our chances again HAM were pretty awful even with Zach. Let's protect him and save him for more important games when our roster has improved. Hopefully other W teams lose so we don't fall even farther behind until this occurs.
Pretty depressing.
Haha, playnow has Bombers at 3.30, and HAM by 7. WPG insanely the underdogs.
No idea why any 3down guy is taking WPG here... well, maybe against the spread. If the odds get any worse, might be worth a nibble. If OTT and EDM can win their games last week, then so can we this week. Just don't bet the farm!
Streveler starts because why? Oh yah because MOS is as stubborn as it gets.
Wilson shows pretty poor in practise I suppose.
Strev starts because of experience and has shown can win ball games. I love Wilson and would give him some reps Fri.
How Wilson looks at practice isn't a major contributing factor imo unless folks has reports he has struggled. He has all the tools, just need a chance to polish them and learn by his mistakes. Of course learning to read defenses is a key challenge.
Will be a tough game playing likely the best performing QB in the league.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 11, 2025, 12:47:52 PMStreveler starts because why? Oh yah because MOS is as stubborn as it gets.
Wilson shows pretty poor in practise I suppose.
Stuborness is continuing to trot out Ayers with 0 tackles in last 2 games
In only 2 games all year has he made more than 1 tackle. Yet we need to dress Kornelson to fill in on our dline cause we are only dressing 6 dline, and we are weakening our oline by not having Vanderpool. ( Which currently are our 2 biggest weaknesses other than qb)
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 11, 2025, 12:47:52 PMStreveler starts because why? Oh yah because MOS is as stubborn as it gets.
Wilson shows pretty poor in practise I suppose.
He starts because Wilson's the inferior QB. There's nothing more to it than that.
Collaros to 1 game IR. I don't know if that is good news or bad news from a football point of view. We've seen players on the 1 game IR for extended periods ( Parker ) for example.
Hallett finally gets back on the AR to replace Kelly. I thought he might have replaced Ball although he's been more productive on ST's. OTOH, Kelly saw some / more work on defence than Ball.
Houston gets the start bumping Vaval to the role of returner and back up DB. This comes at the expense of Vanterpool. I still don't know if this change at LG is an evaluation him over Wallace or a ratio choice.
Overall I don't understand the situation with Makonzo who is eligible to come off 6 game IR. Obviously Hallett was chosen over him. Not sure if Makonzo is extended on 6 the game IR, moved to 1 game IR or to PR. The depth chart does show him as 6 game IR though.
No change at DT or receiver. AGAIN!!! This game could be ugly quickly. Defence will really need to limit Hamilton output to under 21 points. I don't see our offence winning a blow by blow matching their scoring. Maybe the defence forces some turnovers to help out.
Essentially this seems like change as little as possible to maintain a status quo.
We might lose by two TDs but at least we're starting nine Canadians. Will also be exciting to see if Jake Thomas can make it 10 defensive tackles in 13 games or if he remains stuck at 9. If that's not exciting enough, you will find out if lucky number game 13 is the one registers his first sack of the season!
Lions and Elks appear to have an easier weekend game. We need to win in order to sustain our advantage in the standings at the moment.
Roster changes aside, the Bombers need to step up and squeak out a victory.
Game is the 12th, not the 13th as the title states.
Time for the Strevolution...I have been pretty hard on the guy this season but if he is the QB playing I will support him and hope he has the game of his life running and throwing absolute darts.
GO STREVY GO!!
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FYI: Collaros and Vanterpool were placed on the one-game injured list.
Winnipeg Blue Bombers to start Chris Streveler, Demerio Houston against Hamilton
By 3Down Staff -September 11, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have officially named Chris Streveler as the team's starting quarterback for Friday's game against the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.
The dual-threat passer has started two games for Winnipeg this season, recording wins in both. He has thrown for 772 yards, five touchdowns, and eight interceptions in limited action this year, and rushed 32 times for 106 yards and three scores.
Zach Collaros, who was ruled out with a head injury on Wednesday, has been moved to the one-game injured list. The 37-year-old has thrown for 2,297 yards, 14 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions over 10 regular-season games this season, posting a 4-6 record. He was unable to finish last week's Banjo Bowl after taking a helmet-to-helmet hit from strong-side linebacker C.J. Reavis.
Rookie quarterback Chase Artopoeus has been promoted from the practice roster to dress as the third-stringer behind Streveler and Terry Wilson.
The Blue Bombers have also made a change in the secondary, promoting Demerio Houston to the active roster. The native of Shelby, N.C. was named All-CFL with the team in 2023 after leading the league in interceptions.
Houston spent last season with the Calgary Stampeders but was released in February after being charged with misdemeanour domestic violence in North Carolina. The 29-year-old publicly denied the allegations and the charges were later dismissed in court.
The veteran defender will start at boundary cornerback over rookie Trey Vaval after spending the past three weeks on the practice roster.
Winnipeg has also added Canadian defensive back Nick Hallett back onto the roster after he missed three games with what the team termed a head/eye injury. The 31-year-old native of London, Ont. has recorded one defensive tackle and six special teams tackles over nine games this season.
Canadian defensive back Jake Kelly has been moved to the practice roster to create room for Hallett, while American offensive lineman Micah Vanterpool have been moved to the one-game injured list. Gabe Wallace will be the starter at left guard after serving in a depth role behind Vanterpool last week.
Friday's matchup will be a special event as both teams pay tribute to longtime CFL personnel man Ted Goveia in the 'Team Ted Game.' The initiative was recently announced in support of the native of Burlington, Ont., who been battling a serious form of cancer since April. Goveia was hired as Hamilton's general manager in December after eleven years with Winnipeg as an assistant general manager.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6-6) will visit the Hamilton Tiger-Cats (7-5) on Friday, September 12 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 21-13 loss to Saskatchewan in the Banjo Bowl, while the Tiger-Cats went on the road to beat Montreal 26-9.
The weather forecast in Hamilton calls for a high of 22 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud and a 30 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton.
https://3downnation.com/2025/09/11/winnipeg-blue-bombers-to-start-chris-streveler-demerio-houston-against-hamilton/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2025, 02:56:43 PMHe starts because Wilson's the inferior QB. There's nothing more to it than that.
If Wilson is inferior to streveler, that is hard to imagine. I m at the point where I've seen enough of the RPO run plays, we re going to get killed with him as our Qb
Quote from: gobombersgo on September 11, 2025, 03:58:18 PMWinnipeg Blue Bombers to start Chris Streveler, Demerio Houston against Hamilton
By 3Down Staff -September 11, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have officially named Chris Streveler as the team's starting quarterback for Friday's game against the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.
The dual-threat passer has started two games for Winnipeg this season, recording wins in both. He has thrown for 772 yards, five touchdowns, and eight interceptions in limited action this year, and rushed 32 times for 106 yards and three scores.
Zach Collaros, who was ruled out with a head injury on Wednesday, has been moved to the one-game injured list. The 37-year-old has thrown for 2,297 yards, 14 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions over 10 regular-season games this season, posting a 4-6 record. He was unable to finish last week's Banjo Bowl after taking a helmet-to-helmet hit from strong-side linebacker C.J. Reavis.
Rookie quarterback Chase Artopoeus has been promoted from the practice roster to dress as the third-stringer behind Streveler and Terry Wilson.
The Blue Bombers have also made a change in the secondary, promoting Demerio Houston to the active roster. The native of Shelby, N.C. was named All-CFL with the team in 2023 after leading the league in interceptions.
Houston spent last season with the Calgary Stampeders but was released in February after being charged with misdemeanour domestic violence in North Carolina. The 29-year-old publicly denied the allegations and the charges were later dismissed in court.
The veteran defender will start at boundary cornerback over rookie Trey Vaval after spending the past three weeks on the practice roster.
Winnipeg has also added Canadian defensive back Nick Hallett back onto the roster after he missed three games with what the team termed a head/eye injury. The 31-year-old native of London, Ont. has recorded one defensive tackle and six special teams tackles over nine games this season.
Canadian defensive back Jake Kelly has been moved to the practice roster to create room for Hallett, while American offensive lineman Micah Vanterpool have been moved to the one-game injured list. Gabe Wallace will be the starter at left guard after serving in a depth role behind Vanterpool last week.
Friday's matchup will be a special event as both teams pay tribute to longtime CFL personnel man Ted Goveia in the 'Team Ted Game.' The initiative was recently announced in support of the native of Burlington, Ont., who been battling a serious form of cancer since April. Goveia was hired as Hamilton's general manager in December after eleven years with Winnipeg as an assistant general manager.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6-6) will visit the Hamilton Tiger-Cats (7-5) on Friday, September 12 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 21-13 loss to Saskatchewan in the Banjo Bowl, while the Tiger-Cats went on the road to beat Montreal 26-9.
The weather forecast in Hamilton calls for a high of 22 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud and a 30 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton.
https://3downnation.com/2025/09/11/winnipeg-blue-bombers-to-start-chris-streveler-demerio-houston-against-hamilton/
Wallace back in at Left Guard, confirms they don't see him as the problem on the O-line, sorry Techno the experiment isn't over yet. Jake Kelly's career is no longer progressing, he wasn't given much of a chance at Safety and it now appears playing ST's when called upon may be his destiny. They could also flush him in the off-season like they did fellow 2023 draft pick Jeremy Murphy. Kelly, Schmeck and Kornelson are all that remains of the 2023 draft class.
1 8 Anthony Bennett DL Regina Weston, FL
2 15 Jake Kelly DB Bishop's Markham, ON
3 26 Jeremy Murphy WR Concordia (QC) Montreal, QC
4 35 Tanner Schmekel DL Regina Regina, SK
5 44 Collin Kornelson DL Manitoba Winnipeg, MB
6 53 Breton MacDougall DB Windsor LaSalle, ON
7 62 Jonathan Rosery RB Alberta Edmonton, AB
8 71 Max Charbonneau LB Ottawa Ottawa, ON
Quote from: dd on September 11, 2025, 04:20:21 PMIf Wilson is inferior to streveler, that is hard to imagine. I m at the point where I've seen enough of the RPO run plays, we re going to get killed with him as our Qb
It isn't hard to imagine if you look at the situation objectively. Streveler is the better QB simply by virtue of his experience.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2025, 04:28:18 PMIt isn't hard to imagine if you look at the situation objectively. Streveler is the better QB simply by virtue of his experience.
Davis Alexander had less experience than Fajardo...and I would choose Davis 10/10 times over Faj if I was making a football team.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 11, 2025, 04:32:27 PMDavis Alexander had less experience than Fajardo...and I would choose Davis 10/10 times over Faj if I was making a football team.
What does that have to do with Strevler starting over Wilson?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2025, 04:48:42 PMWhat does that have to do with Strevler starting over Wilson?
you said strev is better based on his experience...I gave an example of a situation when experience didn't make a QB better...
maybe Strev is Faj and Wilson is Davis...maybe Wilson is better than Strev even though he doesn't have the same amount of experience.
All-CFL DL Casey Sayles, DB Robert Panabaker return for Hamilton Tiger-Cats vs Bombers
By 3Down Staff -September 11, 2025
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats will have a couple of recognizable names back in the lineup when they face the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Friday.
The most impactful player returning is defensive tackle Casey Sayles, who sat out last week with a groin injury. The 30-year-old is in his third season with the Tiger-Cats and earned an All-CFL selection in 2023. The six-foot-three, 290-pound defender has made 20 defensive tackles and one sack this season, adding to his career totals of 171 defensive tackles, 26 sacks, and two forced fumbles over 77 regular-season games.
Also back in a depth capacity is Canadian defensive back Robert Panabaker, who has only seen action in one game this season due to a hamstring injury. The Western University product saw the field in 16 games as a rookie last season and made several starts, amassing 18 defensive tackles, eight special teams tackles, one sack, and one forced fumble.
In corresponding moves, American defensive end Maalik Hall (oblique) has been placed on the one-game injured list, while rookie Canadian offensive lineman Arvin Hosseini has been returned to the practice roster.
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats (7-5) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6-6) on Friday, September 12 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 21-13 loss to Saskatchewan in the Banjo Bowl, while the Tiger-Cats went on the road to beat Montreal 26-9.
The weather forecast in Hamilton calls for a high of 21 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud and a 20 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton.
https://3downnation.com/2025/09/11/all-cfl-dl-casey-sayles-db-robert-panabaker-return-for-hamilton-tiger-cats-vs-bombers/
Quote from: The Zipp on September 11, 2025, 04:53:03 PMyou said strev is better based on his experience...I gave an example of a situation when experience didn't make a QB better...
maybe Strev is Faj and Wilson is Davis...maybe Wilson is better than Strev even though he doesn't have the same amount of experience.
Davis Alexander has considerable experience going back to 2022: https://www.cfl.ca/players/davis-alexander/165844/
So, it's not a good example or comparison.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2025, 05:00:36 PMDavis Alexander has considerable experience going back to 2022: https://www.cfl.ca/players/davis-alexander/165844/
So, it's not a good example or comparison.
hahah 21 pass attempts over two seasons isn't considerable...the comparison is valid
Davis had less experience than Faj and was better
Wilson has less experience than Strev and MAY be better
It is possible for a QB with less experience to actually be better than someone with more experience - Davis is the example and Terry may be the next.
"The Bombers are 2-0 with Streveler starting" is such a load of hooey that I cannot believe they are foisting it on us fans.
We have seen just how bad Strevy can be, especially in extended play.
This is THE MOMENT that you need to put Wilson in, or just cut him loose. If he's not in line to be Zach's replacement (we KNOW Streveler is not that guy), then lets move on.
We need someone we can hand the ball to is Zach is done for the season. That's not Streveler, who gets us a 50% chance AT BEST to win.
I expect Paterson or Dukes to be cut in MTL shortly enough, Paterson was here for a cup of coffee, Wilson got the nod then, does he still today?
Strev needs to be on a very short leash if he gets this start. Behind at the half, Wilson should start the 2nd.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 11, 2025, 05:12:13 PM"The Bombers are 2-0 with Streveler starting" is such a load of hooey that I cannot believe they are foisting it on us fans.
We have seen just how bad Strevy can be, especially in extended play.
This is THE MOMENT that you need to put Wilson in, or just cut him loose. If he's not in line to be Zach's replacement (we KNOW Streveler is not that guy), then lets move on.
We need someone we can hand the ball to is Zach is done for the season. That's not Streveler, who gets us a 50% chance AT BEST to win.
I expect Paterson or Dukes to be cut in MTL shortly enough, Paterson was here for a cup of coffee, Wilson got the nod then, does he still today?
Strev needs to be on a very short leash if he gets this start. Behind at the half, Wilson should start the 2nd.
We're still trying to win games, not plan for next year.
As of right now the coaches think Strev gives us a better chance to win.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 11, 2025, 05:10:25 PMhahah 21 pass attempts over two seasons isn't considerable...the comparison is valid
Davis had less experience than Faj and was better
Wilson has less experience than Strev and MAY be better
It is possible for a QB with less experience to actually be better than someone with more experience - Davis is the example and Terry may be the next.
An argument that has to rely on maybes isn't sound, IMO.
Streveler's the next man up, ostensibly based on his experience when compared to Wilson who's made one pass completion in his CFL career thus far.
Of course it could be possible that a less experienced QB is better but I can understand a team not making decisions based on hypotheticals.
Quote from: Jesse on September 11, 2025, 05:20:34 PMWe're still trying to win games, not plan for next year.
As of right now the coaches think Strev gives us a better chance to win.
While I agree that Strev gives us a better chance to win - it is not much of a better chance IMHO. This game could turn into a rout for the TigerCats. We are weak on both sides of the ball and Strev is not an answer at least in my opinion.
Neither QB gives this team a good chance to win. The offense is a joke this season regardless of who's behind centre.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 11, 2025, 05:12:13 PM"The Bombers are 2-0 with Streveler starting" is such a load of hooey that I cannot believe they are foisting it on us fans.
We have seen just how bad Strevy can be, especially in extended play.
This is THE MOMENT that you need to put Wilson in, or just cut him loose. If he's not in line to be Zach's replacement (we KNOW Streveler is not that guy), then lets move on.
We need someone we can hand the ball to is Zach is done for the season. That's not Streveler, who gets us a 50% chance AT BEST to win.
I expect Paterson or Dukes to be cut in MTL shortly enough, Paterson was here for a cup of coffee, Wilson got the nod then, does he still today?
Strev needs to be on a very short leash if he gets this start. Behind at the half, Wilson should start the 2nd.
It would probably take a blow out by half for O'Shea to make the switch, but even then I think he would delay it till the last 3 minutes.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2025, 04:48:42 PMWhat does that have to do with Strevler starting over Wilson?
Nothing and wasn't a fair comparison imo
Agree with all you have said here about the QBs and comparison which was a big stretch imo
I don't agree that our O is a joke
I don't agree with the Zipp on this one
Alexander is a rare very good QB who came on early in his 1st number of experiences and is already a top QB, which is extremely rare for his age and level of experience, reminds me of Bo's early success
Cody is an established vet who I don't like but has shown a consistent ability to win and a great deal of resilience this season
Strev can win you a game or two but hasn't shown a consistent ability to throw medium to deep and throws a lot of ints, a warrior and I love him and is our best change to win, which is a low probability tomorrow
Wilson is raw, unproven and not likely ready but needs reps and has the tools and I would sprinkle him in Fri or if Strev fails badly
Quote from: Pete on September 11, 2025, 02:39:47 PMStuborness is continuing to trot out Ayers with 0 tackles in last 2 games
In only 2 games all year has he made more than 1 tackle. Yet we need to dress Kornelson to fill in on our dline cause we are only dressing 6 dline, and we are weakening our oline by not having Vanderpool. ( Which currently are our 2 biggest weaknesses other than qb)
I have debated with others about Ayers in the lineup all season, a player who I believe has shown promise and versitlity
I can't defend or support the lineup decision in this regard
My thoughts of him go back to more of his play last season but I did notice him make a place recently I think
On the fence on this one but would be interesting to know who others would replace him with
I want to see Woods at some point
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:14 PMAn argument that has to rely on maybes isn't sound, IMO.
Streveler's the next man up, ostensibly based on his experience when compared to Wilson who's made one pass completion in his CFL career thus far.
Of course it could be possible that a less experienced QB is better but I can understand a team not making decisions based on hypotheticals.
Montreal made the decision based on 21 pass attempts in 2 seasons - gotta be a maybe or two in there - I do think they have much better QB evaluators on their team than we do (Maas and Calvillo). They turfed a QB winning QB for someone who threw 14 completions over 2 seasons.
The Strev start is the safe play - I hope they have some agreement to see what the next Davis Alexander can do.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 11, 2025, 06:07:35 PMMontreal made the decision based on 21 pass attempts in 2 seasons - gotta be a maybe or two in there - I do think they have much better QB evaluators on their team than we do (Maas and Calvillo). They turfed a QB winning QB for someone who threw 14 completions over 2 seasons.
The Strev start is the safe play - I hope they have some agreement to see what the next Davis Alexander can do.
They're making the decision based on what they've seen from a guy for 2 years. Our coaches have watched Wilson for the last 1.5 seasons and are still starting the ghost of Chris Streveler over him.
You may not like that he's our best option, but lets not put in a worse option "just because".
Quote from: Jesse on September 11, 2025, 06:42:50 PMThey're making the decision based on what they've seen from a guy for 2 years. Our coaches have watched Wilson for the last 1.5 seasons and are still starting the ghost of Chris Streveler over him.
You may not like that he's our best option, but lets not put in a worse option "just because".
I would trust Calvillo and Maas over MOS, Hogan and Jackson...
I don't attend practice so I don't even have a personal view of Wilson. We are going in circles but Wilson might actually be better than Strev...the bar isn't very high with Strev at the moment. Fajardo was playing much better than Strev is right now.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 11, 2025, 05:49:28 PMNothing and wasn't a fair comparison imo
Agree with all you have said here about the QBs and comparison which was a big stretch imo
I don't agree that our O is a joke
I don't agree with the Zipp on this one
Alexander is a rare very good QB who came on early in his 1st number of experiences and is already a top QB, which is extremely rare for his age and level of experience, reminds me of Bo's early success
Cody is an established vet who I don't like but has shown a consistent ability to win and a great deal of resilience this season
Strev can win you a game or two but hasn't shown a consistent ability to throw medium to deep and throws a lot of ints, a warrior and I love him and is our best change to win, which is a low probability tomorrow
Wilson is raw, unproven and not likely ready but needs reps and has the tools and I would sprinkle him in Fri or if Strev fails badly I don't see a reason to call me out here, I have debated with others about Ayers in the lineup all season, a player who I believe has shown promise and versitlity
I can't defend or support the lineup decision in this regard
My thoughts of him go back to more of his play last season but I did notice him make a place recently I think
On the fence on this one but would be interesting to know who others would replace him with
I want to see Woods at some point
Sorry blue, I wasnt calling you out, just meant it is difficult for anyone to defend this particular decision even someone who is very pro bombers
The Bombers coaching staff seem suffering from what an academic might suggest is cogitative entrenchment. They've become too anchored into one way to construct a roster they are missing obvious alternatives.
We don't use the (not even new anymore) roster rules. We are dedicated to a seemingly pigeon-holed cooker cutter plan. We desperately need a pass rush more than we need an import special teamer in Ayers, for example, but Jake Thomas is starting and he's been backed up by the guy we cut three weeks ago. That makes less than no sense.
We've got nine Canadian starting spots. Our biggest challenge with our backup QUARTERBACK is that he can't throw the ball or read a zone. If Wilson is truly worse than Chris Streveler then what does that say about their ability to develop talent from that position?
They need to step back and evaluate if they are truly making the right decisions for 2025 or if they are just so set on following a blue print that used to work that they cannot see the wisdom in anything else. And if they don' t or can't, I honestly believe they would be well served to bring in someone with fresh eyes for the purposes of evaluation and making suggestions.
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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 11, 2025, 03:26:10 PMWe might lose by two TDs but at least we're starting nine Canadians. Will also be exciting to see if Jake Thomas can make it 10 defensive tackles in 13 games or if he remains stuck at 9. If that's not exciting enough, you will find out if lucky number game 13 is the one registers his first sack of the season!
You are funny in a good way and these valid bulletin points are ridiculous to read. Goes to show how incapable this regime has become.
Quote from: Pete on September 11, 2025, 07:15:54 PMSorry blue, I wasnt calling you out, just meant it is difficult for anyone to defend this particular decision even someone who is very pro bombers
Ah I get it now, apology accepted even though I understand the sentiment now and one wasn't needed but that kind of you
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 11, 2025, 07:43:14 PMYou are funny in a good way and these valid bulletin points are ridiculous to read. Goes to show how incapable this regime has become.
What amazes me is how incapable the current regime has become. And it not just an overnight thing. IMHO and only my opinion the management team from the GM on down went to sleep last year and has not woke up! Horrible recruiting and a lack of awareness in terms of having to replace talent that has left us with an equal talent. Really poor management decisions IMHO.
Ott signed Dru Brown as thier starter with less than 1500 yards total in the CFL.
Wilson has a 100% completion rate in the CFL... ;D
And now with Pokey back, the Wilson throws the Wilson to Wilson is there for the broadcasters.
I'm just saying, we've seen all the film on Streveler, and while he flashes and the team has won in spite of his performances, we truly have nothing to lose by looking for a Better answer.
Dru left for a reason... unless they are so happy with Chase, they are risking Wilson as well...
The roster on defense is truly bizarre. We have 10 "linebackers" including 5 Americans, covering 3 positions, even though we play a Canadian at SAM. One of the Americans will get essentially no reps on D (Ayers), and the other 2 will be only situational. Meanwhile, we have only 6 D-lineman, and all the DTs are Canadian. We are starting 9 Canadians overall. Are Woods and Adams that bad? Can we not find an American O-lineman who is an upgrade on Kolankowski or Wallace? If so our American scouts should be fired. And if the American talent on the sidelines is actually better, then Miller should pull O'Shea and Walters into his office and ask them what is going on here.
Our D was actually not bad against the Riders. But its hard to believe it could not be better with some talented American D-lineman rather than Thomas and Kornelson.
With Collaros out,who is our #3 Qb??
Does it feel like Walters and O'Shea are on the same page? And why has noone talked to Walters since training camp?
Quote from: Pete on September 12, 2025, 02:00:59 AMDoes it feel like Walters and O'Shea are on the same page? And why has noone talked to Walters since training camp?
Walters doesn't usually do media during the season which isn't unusual and it's not a bad thing.
He's most certainly working more hours now than perhaps the past few years.
Quote from: dd on September 12, 2025, 01:29:01 AMWith Collaros out,who is our #3 Qb??
Artie the Greek
Quote from: The Zipp on September 11, 2025, 06:57:00 PMI would trust Calvillo and Maas over MOS, Hogan and Jackson...
Ouch!! Don't forget how many losing seasons Maas had in EDM, SSK and MTL. He's only succeeding now because his scouts found in '23 the magic Dequoy/Ento duo (and those 5 mid-high tier RECs). Guess who they retained every FA since? All those guys. Oh ya, having the league-best baby boy QB doesn't hurt!
Give MOS/Hogan all those players and we'd be tops too.
(Which goes to show the real blame is the GMs & scouts...)
Quote from: theaardvark on September 11, 2025, 05:12:13 PMThis is THE MOMENT that you need to put Wilson in, or just cut him loose. If he's not in line to be Zach's replacement (we KNOW Streveler is not that guy), then lets move on.
Move on to what, exactly?? Another SSK reject retread QB? Pass.
If nothing else Wilson can be our SY guy for years to come, and I guarantee you he's dirt cheap -- which is probably the main selling point come new-contract time.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 11, 2025, 05:12:13 PMStrev needs to be on a very short leash if he gets this start. Behind at the half, Wilson should start the 2nd.
I have a feeling if Strev can't do squat in a half then MOS makes the change before the 4th starts. At least we'd give Wilson 1-2 series to see if he stinks just as bad or worse. Remember, if we're losing horribly it could be more on the OL & RECs than the QB.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 11, 2025, 04:25:44 PMWallace back in at Left Guard, confirms they don't see him as the problem on the O-line, sorry Techno the experiment isn't over yet.
I guess Vant could really be dinged up FOR REALZ. Not just now, but all the weeks he was IR. It's not like we need the ratio help this week (9 NATs?). A bit of a mystery for sure.
I haven't rewatched the pain that is named Banjo Bowl yet, but I don't recall Vant being a problem in the last game. I *do* remember Wallace being a big problem in the LDC though.
OR... OR... we see that this is a run-mostly game (because Strev) and it doesn't matter Wallace can't do pass-pro. We may just want a road-grader in there. No one is bigger than Wallace as a steamroller.
Game Preview: Wpg at Ham - Ed Tait
Game 13: Blue Bombers (6-6) at Tiger-Cats (7-5)
Kickoff: Friday, September 12th, 6 p.m. CDT; Hamilton Stadium, Hamilton
TV/Streaming: TSN 1, RDS, CBS Sportsnetwork; CFL+
Radio: 680 CJOB (pre-game begins at 4 p.m., CDT); Play-by-play: Derek Taylor/analyst: Doug Brown; Sirius XM (ch. 167)
Scene Setter
They've taken on water over the last couple of weeks and will be without their skipper for at least one game. Yet, nobody on the good ship Blue Bomber is fretting about the recent stormy waters.
Truth be told, it's exactly the opposite even as those outside the building seem so eager to begin penning the obituary on their 2025 Canadian Football League season. Fact is, there's a belief among this bunch it can still very much write a happy ending through the final third of the schedule.
"There's a lot of belief. Everyone in this locker room still believes," said veteran left tackle Stanley Bryant. "That belief is not going anywhere. We were in the same position last year at 6-6, even though the West standings may have been different then. The guys in here still believe. We want to want to keep building and building and that can start this week.
"Things haven't gone our way in the last two. We've just got to find a way to close things out."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/09/11/game-preview-wpg-at-ham-3/
Have I gone insane, or is the HAM chart completely missing a SB position on the strong side? They only show 1 SB, 1 WR... there should be 2 SBs.
Huh?
I think all their RECs are shown on the chart, it's just not clear who is supposed to be inside/strong slot. Weird. No other team does this.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 12, 2025, 04:27:58 AMOuch!! Don't forget how many losing seasons Maas had in EDM, SSK and MTL. He's only succeeding now because his scouts found in '23 the magic Dequoy/Ento duo (and those 5 mid-high tier RECs). Guess who they retained every FA since? All those guys. Oh ya, having the league-best baby boy QB doesn't hurt!
Give MOS/Hogan all those players and we'd be tops too.
(Which goes to show the real blame is the GMs & scouts...)
It's not like MOS has had chopped liver to work with over his time in Winnipeg..we had Hardrick/Bryant, Harris, Zach, Kenny, Demski, Dee Alford, Willie, Jeffcoat
His winning % as a HC is only slightly better than Maas - 61 vs 58. MOS has one more Cup than Maas.
Maas is a very good coach - he has learned over time. Don't ever forget how good of a QB Calvillo was as well. His presence can't be understated.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 12, 2025, 04:30:54 AMI have a feeling if Strev can't do squat in a half then MOS makes the change before the 4th starts. At least we'd give Wilson 1-2 series to see if he stinks just as bad or worse. Remember, if we're losing horribly it could be more on the OL & RECs than the QB.
Strev plays as long as the game is close. If we are getting blown out AND we are not scoring then we'd see Wilson. When and if that would be depends on flow of the game.
Strev wins around .500, it's enough to get us to the playoffs most likely.
I woke up today thinking how great it would feel if we won today. The problem is, I couldn't think of a way where that's possible.
Like I say every week, we are going to have to be creative in getting the ball to Brady. We've seen in the past (with varied degrees of success) that when Strev is in, it's obvious the defense will cue in on his running, and so we try to be tricky with who runs the ball. This will probably involve Demski to a large degree, and we are able to make that happen with Pokey back as now Demsk doesn't have to be our 1a.
Of course we will have to pass the ball at some point and everyone including me is scared when that happens. We will need a little luck for that and some heroics from the patchwork receiving group.
Our defense confuses me. They don't at all look impressive on paper but I have to credit them in keeping us in games, including last week. Then again, I'm not exactly blown away by the Trevor Harris offense so it was hard to tell if one unit was actually good or the other just sucked bad. Hopefully that holds, but our defense isn't so great that we can rest on their laurels to win tonight. We will need some production on offense and limit Bo on the other side. If we win, it might be something like 17-15.
We can kiss the season goodbye if we lose again. I fully expect the Lions and Elks to win their games. Obviously nothing is guaranteed but this seems to be a tipping point. Unfortunately we're doing it without our starting QB.
Fingers are crossed but IMO we have to play a near perfect game tonight. That hasn't been close to how we've been playing most of the season.
Quote from: dd on September 12, 2025, 01:29:01 AMWith Collaros out,who is our #3 Qb??
Chase the Greek is activated from the PR
Saw on socials that Streveler has a very long leash.
Anyone interested in some late season Pinnacle seats and GC tickets? Pretty sure I'm not going to need mine...
Quote from: theaardvark on September 12, 2025, 03:31:39 PMSaw on socials that Streveler has a very long leash.
Anyone interested in some late season Pinnacle seats and GC tickets? Pretty sure I'm not going to need mine...
Man, you're not living up to your signature these days.
I don't blame anyone for being a little down on the team as of late but you're like a different person
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 12, 2025, 03:17:32 PMWe can kiss the season goodbye if we lose again. I fully expect the Lions and Elks to win their games. Obviously nothing is guaranteed but this seems to be a tipping point. Unfortunately we're doing it without our starting QB.
Fingers are crossed but IMO we have to play a near perfect game tonight. That hasn't been close to how we've been playing most of the season.
I feel less extreme. I think we need one of this week (Ham) or next (Ott). Both would be a huge bonus of course. Considering that Hamilton will dedicate winning this game to Ted Goveia, as they should, our odds slim as they were should be almost none.
Quote from: Waffler on September 12, 2025, 03:59:57 PMI feel less extreme. I think we need one of this week (Ham) or next (Ott). Both would be a huge bonus of course. Considering that Hamilton will dedicate winning this game to Ted Goveia, as they should, our odds slim as they were should be almost none.
We had a chance to be in the winning the season series against the Riders with 1 win in those 2 games. Came up short. Now we're trying to avoid being passed by either the Lions or the Elks.
Playing without our starting QB and the other teams playing easier games is cause for additional concern.
Obviously the games have yet to be played. I wouldn't bet the outcomes are in our favour. I can only hope things go our way.
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 12, 2025, 03:51:12 PMMan, you're not living up to your signature these days.
I don't blame anyone for being a little down on the team as of late but you're like a different person
It is a little tough to stay positive these days. For me it is just my feeling that Bomber Management fell asleep at the wheel at the start of the year or even prior to the 2025 season. I am not sure they negotiated in good faith with the talent that left for greener pastures nor did a good job at finding suitable replacement talent. I believe the downward trend started long before this season and was recognizable, however Bomber Management did not choose to react to the known issues at hand, but rather roll with the same old thought process that what we had in the past was good enough today.
I look at the current scenario as a Management issue going back a couple of years that was either ignored or never addressed.
Quote from: dd on September 12, 2025, 01:29:01 AMWith Collaros out,who is our #3 Qb??
The great Artopoeus.
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I take it your real passion is eating chicken and not football?
always curious how players drop these comments just the day before the game they are playing their previous team. Kenny knows what he is doing whether its a distraction to bombers or hes trying to motivate himself.
I have no doubt that Walters wasn't rushing into a contract, when most felt that the receiver market was resetting ie Lewis taking considerably less. Hamilton just didn't allow it to be
reset.
Lawler was never going to sign at less than ly, he himself feels we underpaid him. Its all about the money and threes nothing wrong with that but he shouldn't make himself sound like the victim
This is going to be a very sad game to watch no matter which way it goes with the passing of Ted Goveia. I've had a heavy heart all day.
My deepest condolences to the Goveia family and all the Bomber, Ticat, and CFL fans that knew Ted. He was a great football man and an even better human being. He's going to be sorely missed.
streveler is not a quarterback he is a grindback
milt
strev goes deep to wilson....gain of 10 yards
Hahahahaha and that's the game.
grindback
almost a pick 6
sit him down
streveler can't read a defense, unbelievable
and a whiff of a tackle...lawson
And that's pretty much the start I was expecting sadly...going to be a long game.
Yikes not a good start. Bad throw by Strev
Quote from: The Zipp on September 12, 2025, 11:13:04 PMand a whiff of a tackle...lawson
Story of our season. Can't tackle all
haha, ignored the backup QB and corner position this offseason and our backup throws a pick and our corner whiffs on a tackle. Good job Walters
Quote from: bluengold204 on September 12, 2025, 11:13:40 PMYikes not a good start. Bad throw by Strev
Like... what was he throwing at?
Strevelers main goal should be not to turn over the ball...oh wait already done that
He told himself before snap he's throwing that ball, so he throws it no matter what else is happening
Really bad
Hahaha what is happening
Lmao that was awesome
wow great call by hogan!!
razzle dazzle
grindback gets it in with some speedy play calling
They just want to keep Streveler in. "See he can throw dimes?"
I don't think I've ever seen an easier TD
Okay, some redemption there. lol at the Ticats running onto the field. Finally a heads up play that worked!
Wow , some urgency and speed on offense
Good play call
Good throw Strevs.
and give up a huge return...can't let that happen
did they line up 3 o linemen on that run ?
lawson cant make a play without interference
Could be DPI there. Not surprised there is a challenge.
andre delivers the good news...love that guy !!
Quote from: TrueBlue75 on September 12, 2025, 11:27:24 PMCould be DPI there. Not surprised there is a challenge.
feel like we caught a break there
techno googling "is yawning a sign of concussion"
Give it to Brady
2nd and 6 and an off target throw from grindback Streveler
Someone kill Kenny! :D
Howdie Doodie off on that one
Lol
Oskie wee wee wooo woo
And the no pass rush defense can't cover for eternity again on second and long.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 12, 2025, 11:38:32 PMAnd the no pass rush defense can't cover for eternity again on second and long.
the 3 man front was fun when we had tackles that could do something and Jefferson was better than he is now. Now it's just hoping the offense doesn't have a mobile qb or someone going short
tony jones is our best defensive player
did you hear that Willy?
Quote from: kkc60 on September 12, 2025, 11:39:55 PMthe 3 man front was fun when we had tackles that could do something and Jefferson was better than he is now. Now it's just hoping the offense doesn't have a mobile qb or someone going short
That's the thing about a 3-4. You need a monster nose tackle who can take up two gaps and you need two ends who can come around the edges. We have 0 of 3 of those requirements.
Brady looks superb. Feed him!
Ted was great!
love those Team Ted towels
Nice tribute from the Cats.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 12, 2025, 11:46:39 PMlove those Team Ted towels
the bombers should get those. Very cool.
how does he throw that ball? 3 cats covering one bomber
he can't successfully throw more than 10 yards, should have been picked
Not only can Streveler not a read a defense, it appears he can't see at all.
What was that?! You wouldn't throw that in Madden after 12 beers.
kenny - vaseline hands
They killed KENNY
Vaval is gonna break one.....
Like the new TSN tune? :D
we need another quick snap,,seems like its one of the few we can complete
waste of a down with strev trying to run
2nd an long and im just hoping we dont throw an interception..sad
Ugh Strevy so ugh
oh my goodness
let's just lose 12 yards
keep running / passing to brady
Quote from: Pete on September 12, 2025, 11:55:23 PM2nd an long and im just hoping we dont throw an interception..sad
;D
Quote from: Waffler on September 12, 2025, 03:59:57 PMI feel less extreme. I think we need one of this week (Ham) or next (Ott). Both would be a huge bonus of course. Considering that Hamilton will dedicate winning this game to Ted Goveia, as they should, our odds slim as they were should be almost none.
I you want "Ted motivation" I think that fires up WPG more than HAM. Ted really was only "with" HAM for 6 months. He built the HAM team we see this season, but that's about it. He's been sick since well before TC. And not involved much, if at all, for several months: I know because the same thing took my dad.
Ted was with WFC for how long? 5-10 years? He was our best or 2nd best scout along with his other duties.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 12, 2025, 11:56:22 PMI you want "Ted motivation" I think that fires up WPG more than HAM. Ted really was only "with" HAM for 6 months. He built the HAM team we see this season, but that's about it. He's been sick since well before TC. And not involved much, if at all, for several months: I know because the same thing took my dad.
Ted was with WFC for how long? 5-10 years? He was our best or 2nd best scout along with his other duties.
he did more for the bombers than the tabbies
they are going after lawson ..a lot
hamilton figured out to throw the ball - no pressure..why not ?
Who found Lawler?
Danny Mac
Ted
Another?
We almost breathed on Bo Levi with the one.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 12, 2025, 11:59:47 PMhamilton figured out to throw the ball - no pressure..why not ?
Doodie has had all day!
bo knows he missed KL for a td
wish we could find someone...a decent defensive lineman maybe
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 12, 2025, 04:51:09 PMI take it your real passion is eating chicken and not football?
Ya, I'm much more passionate about eating football
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 12:03:51 AMwish we could find someone...a decent defensive lineman maybe
Not even trying to be controversial, the only defensive lineman who should be on the roster next year is Cam Lawson.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 12, 2025, 11:32:38 PMtechno googling "is yawning a sign of concussion"
LOL
SB&G going "not every head-turf hit is a concussion"... probably
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:05:13 AMNot even trying to be controversial, the only defensive lineman who should be on the roster next year is Cam Lawson.
I have time for Person, though he's been quiet.
run only offense i guess
throwing is a crapshoot - no accuracy, no timing
Proulx Proulx he is our man..
We suck at tackling sometimes
So far a Good road game..
I don't think there's any chance we can win if we can't get to Bo at all.
have we come within 2 yards of bo?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2025, 12:10:41 AMWe suck at tackling sometimes
Hey, there are people who have been said all year that Bo and Kenny were going to break the passing record against us.
Been holding up pretty good so far. The only mistakes are Chris trying to throw away the game.
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 12:12:12 AMhave we come within 2 yards of bo?
Obviously not the game plan, so complaining about lack of sacks is just setting yourself up to be upset.
Punting is exceptional, this is our guy long term. He continues to silence the critic each game he plays. Love the way he kicks the ball and so consistent.
hamilton is not sharp tonight
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 12:13:05 AMObviously not the game plan, so complaining about lack of sacks is just setting yourself up to be upset.
Sure, but we going to go all game without winning a one on one along the line of scrimmage?
You can't win on defense if you can't get to the quarterback at least a little bit.
Rush 3 or 7. Still can't get any pressure
Quote from: The Zipp on September 12, 2025, 11:40:09 PMtony jones is our best defensive player
did you hear that Willy?
Not totally fair. Jones can be everywhere and make stats by himself. Any DE relies unit support/strength. And we pretty much all agree he doesn't have much support with our current DL unit. If we had Stove & Jeffcoat in peak form still, Willie would be eating up the league.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:14:59 AMSure, but we going to go all game without winning a one on one along the line of scrimmage?
You can't win on defense if you can't get to the quarterback at least a little bit.
We just ran straight through the line a couple snaps ago. Bo's also really good at hitting his hit read.
The Hamilton offence has produced 6 points. Do we want sacks or the win?
how do we have this guy as our main backup
Man he is such a terrible quarterback.
terry time
please MOS
Well, Strev is actively going to lose this game for us.
demski may get skunked tonight
you could see the whole team sag after that pick
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 12:18:16 AMterry time
please MOS
Oshea would roll out Strev in a wheel chair before pulling him
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:18:13 AMMan he is such a terrible quarterback.
Please Please get him out of there. He is past terrible.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 12:17:18 AMWe just ran straight through the line a couple snaps ago. Bo's also really good at hitting his hit read.
The Hamilton offence has produced 6 points. Do we want sacks or the win?
Bo's eventually going to drive the field. Don't pretend you've ever seen a championship football team ever win without being able to attack the quarterback. Every single one does. Including the Bombers from 2019-2023.
That was a lousy throw!
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 12:18:16 AMterry time
please MOS
It's funny how many times Osheas Bombers has been beaten by the unheard of 3rd string coming in off bench that he never will do the same to an opponent
strev scoring points for Hamilton
We lost this game during roster selection on Thursday. Winnable game otherwise.
Can we cut Streveler at half time and send him home on the bus. Team will be deflated now.
3 man rush isn't helping on defence but I'm not sure it matters.
Another half game ans no impact by Thomas.
D. Mitchell one reception for 4 yards. It was more of a sweep than a pass downfield.
We got some YAC on passes caught but I don't think we've completed a pass for more than 11 yards before YAC. Only 39 yards passing besides that freebee to Wheatfall when he was left uncovered.
I don't think I've seen a quarterback unable to read a defense as bad as Streveler
On that interception #25 was wide open.
I'm 30 mins behind (ya, sucks). HAM/BLM are totally picking on #27 Lawson. Every deep shot is his way. Even the first HAM TD was picking on 27. I knew they'd do that. I put money on Lawson's "guy" Bridges for a TD, LOL. They almost got it on the non-DPI.
But in the 2nd Q, they've switched it up to get Kenny on the other side of the field matched with Lawson. Teams don't often just switch WR side for a ton of plays like that. Should we move Houston over to match, or just leave Kenny on Lawson?
Hopefully I can catch up to live during halftime.
How bad must Wilson be feeling? They'd rather play a linebacker at quarterback than me.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 12:18:26 AMWell, Strev is actively going to lose this game for us.
And yet you are somehow surprised by this?? He is brutal always has been always will be. No surprise he s thrown picks that's what he does, in fact I would be shocked if he threw a pass for a TD, absolutely shocked
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:23:40 AMHow bad must Wilson be feeling? They'd rather play a linebacker at quarterback than me.
grindback > quarterback
Won't even try for a PI or long bomb on last play
Rough half for Strev
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:22:56 AMI'm 30 mins behind (ya, sucks). HAM/BLM are totally picking on #27 Lawson. Every deep shot is his way. Even the first HAM TD was picking on 27. I knew they'd do that. I put money on Lawson's "guy" Bridges for a TD, LOL. They almost got it on the non-DPI.
But in the 2nd Q, they've switched it up to get Kenny on the other side of the field matched with Lawson. Teams don't often just switch WR side for a ton of plays like that. Should we move Houston over to match, or just leave Kenny on Lawson?
Hopefully I can catch up to live during halftime.
That's because Lawson is the weakest link in our secondary. No secret there . I would have moved vavol over and bumped Lawson but whatever
Good thing we have Brady. We'd be in big trouble without him.
Quote from: Sway on September 13, 2025, 12:25:51 AMWon't even try for a PI or long bomb on last play
Rough half for Strev
Rough half? Haha that would be three games worth of burn quality film for most CFL starters. He could have easily had 3-4 picks on TEN throws.
Why is this turf so slippery?? Before the half I've seen 3 of our guys slip & lose possible extra yards. HAM not slipping at all. They knew something we didn't? Wrong footwear? Rain earlier in day?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:27:35 AMRough half? Haha that would be three games worth of burn quality film for most CFL starters. He could have easily had 3-4 picks on TEN throws.
Hey, atleast he hit the wide open guy on the 3rd down,
:D
No faith in Castillo anymore, eh? "Against the wind" we didn't go for it (53?), "with the wind" we still didn't go for it around the same position.
I guess MOS doesn't want the heat of a big missed-FG return anymore.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:30:05 AMWhy is this turf so slippery?? Before the half I've seen 3 of our guys slip & lose possible extra yards. HAM not slipping at all. They knew something we didn't? Wrong footwear? Rain earlier in day?
Yeah Brady basically tackled himself. And he never does that.
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 12:24:13 AMAnd yet you are somehow surprised by this?? He is brutal always has been always will be. No surprise he s thrown picks that's what he does, in fact I would be shocked if he threw a pass for a TD, absolutely shocked
This is embarrassing! Play our 3rd stringer - could not be any worse than Stev!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:22:56 AMI'm 30 mins behind (ya, sucks). HAM/BLM are totally picking on #27 Lawson. Every deep shot is his way. Even the first HAM TD was picking on 27. I knew they'd do that. I put money on Lawson's "guy" Bridges for a TD, LOL. They almost got it on the non-DPI.
But in the 2nd Q, they've switched it up to get Kenny on the other side of the field matched with Lawson. Teams don't often just switch WR side for a ton of plays like that. Should we move Houston over to match, or just leave Kenny on Lawson?
Hopefully I can catch up to live during halftime.
do yourself a favor and fast forward the last five minutes
Quote from: Sway on September 13, 2025, 12:30:44 AMHey, atleast he hit the wide open guy on the 3rd down,
:D
He underthrew it hilariously enough but it still worked.
Quote from: Sway on September 13, 2025, 12:25:51 AMWon't even try for a PI or long bomb on last play
Rough half for Strev
They should have just taken a knee for two plays rather than adding more hits to Brady. I just can't with this playcalling anymore...
Bombers have been gifting points to their opponents in the last 3 games. All of them were/are winnable if not for our freebies and missed field goals.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:31:51 AMNo faith in Castillo anymore, eh? "Against the wind" we didn't go for it (53?), "with the wind" we still didn't go for it around the same position.
I guess MOS doesn't want the heat of a big missed-FG return anymore.
dont understand it after all we have Ayers if we miss
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:33:36 AMHe underthrew it hilariously enough but it still worked.
It was a cringey throw and I was thinking it would hit the turf. Lucky there.
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 12:33:57 AMdont understand it after wall we have Ayers if we miss
Hahaha ;D
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 12:18:06 AMhow do we have this guy as our main backup
(I'm at Strev's 2nd pick)
WHY CAN'T OUR RECs COME BACK FOR THE BALL? Why do we do these stupid curls where every DB cheats up. We need Strev to pump fake and just chuck it deep once the one-on-one bites on the fake curl?
SO FRUSTRATING
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:39:59 AM(I'm at Strev's 2nd pick)
WHY CAN'T OUR RECs COME BACK FOR THE BALL? Why do we do these stupid curls where every DB cheats up. We need Strev to pump fake and just chuck it deep once the one-on-one bites on the fake curl?
SO FRUSTRATING
You're joking.
Does Strev wear glasses because just before 1/2 time when he was coming off the field he was looking at something and squinting
We got a hand on him! First contact has been made!
Defensive line's first acceptable series of the night.
Quote from: TrueBlue75 on September 13, 2025, 12:33:44 AMThey should have just taken a knee for two plays rather than adding more hits to Brady. I just can't with this playcalling anymore...
Maybe Hogan has Brady in fantasy ;D ;D ;D Then again, so do I :D :D :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:47:34 AMMaybe Hogan has Brady in fantasy ;D ;D ;D Then again, so do I :D :D :D
Hahah
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:40:14 AMYou're joking.
I'm not. Fake curl, double move, pump fake, chuck it deep. Our REC would be so wide open (and no FS in that look we saw),
even Strev could hit him 35Y away.
Quote from: Blue72 on September 13, 2025, 12:40:46 AMDoes Strev wear glasses because just before 1/2 time when he was coming off the field he was looking at something and squinting
It's Charlie Sheen in Major League!! We solved Strev's problem!
what's the point of playing streveler?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:49:45 AMI'm not. Fake curl, double move, pump fake, chuck it deep. Our REC would be so wide open (and no FS in that look we saw), even Strev could hit him 35Y away.
Sure. Double move, okay. I meant on Streveler's second pick there is no possible way the receiver is going to come back to that. You can't throw it through two linebackers lol.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 12:50:57 AMwhat's the point of playing streveler?
Wilson looks very bad in practice.
Sayles just taunted Brady by doing the Brady head slap right in his face while he was on the turf
Wow, on that ST coverage we had 3 guys sliding all over the turf! What is going on with that field and the footwear? How do we still get stupid things like this wrong?
HAM hasn't been sliding at all
Lawson always seems to get turned around. Leaving his back to the receiver.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:51:23 AMSure. Double move, okay. I meant on Streveler's second pick there is no possible way the receiver is going to come back to that. You can't throw it through two linebackers lol.
I didn't mean the throw where Strev threw it into 3 LB/DBs converging for a near pick. I'm talking about the one where it was Demski with only 1 guy to beat and I saw nothing behind him. My plan would work perfectly there.
We just don't think. At all. Why don't we study & anticipate how teams cheat up on us (esp with Strev), then purposely design plays to suck them into what they are already cheating on. We just don't seem to think.
lawson lost in the sauce
Hamilton game plan = watch where Lawson lines up and throw there
This could get ugly. Can't move the ball and can't stop the Hamilton offense.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 12:51:23 AMSure. Double move, okay. I meant on Streveler's second pick there is no possible way the receiver is going to come back to that. You can't throw it through two linebackers lol.
Another part is we aren't getting enough depth before curling back. Look at how HAM has guys an extra 10-15Y downfield and then they sprint back to the ball, so often. Anytime a DB could be in the area they do this. Thus precluding any chance whatsoever of an INT.
Why don't we do that?
This might be the worst defensive line play I've seen from any team this year.
They are struggling something fierce.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:56:04 AMI didn't mean the throw where Strev threw it into 3 LB/DBs converging for a near pick. I'm talking about the one where it was Demski with only 1 guy to beat and I saw nothing behind him. My plan would work perfectly there.
We just don't think. At all. Why don't we study & anticipate how teams cheat up on us (esp with Strev), then purposely design plays to suck them into what they are already cheating on. We just don't seem to think.
We don't game plan for other teams weaknesses. We just trust our process, a process that has been figured out by the other teams at this point
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 12:53:30 AMWow, on that ST coverage we had 3 guys sliding all over the turf! What is going on with that field and the footwear? How do we still get stupid things like this wrong?
HAM hasn't been sliding at all
agreed, but they just did about 5 minutes ago. not nearly as much as us though.
please get demski a pass completion
Id be going for this if I were Ham,
Worried Stev is gonnna drive 108 yards
please get anyone a completion other than Olivera
OK so look at how the refs marked BLM down WHERE HE STARTED THE SLIDE this time. Not where the ball/he ended up (untouched until right at the end). THIS IS CORRECT.
Ya, so I'm keepin the BLM-slide thread going after this game...
Where is Miller and Walters? Three QBs and they are all terrible and nothing is being done about it except we will watch film and correct our mistakes?
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on September 13, 2025, 12:57:50 AMThis could get ugly. Can't move the ball and can't stop the Hamilton offense.
unless special teams can score on every touch - this is a recipe for a blowout
So now the destruction in the second half begins...
44 - 13 final score?
To be fair Walters had five QBs in camp. Dolegala wouldn't have been as bad as Streveler is now and he is by no means a good option.
Quote from: Blue72 on September 13, 2025, 01:01:10 AMWhere is Miller and Walters? Three QBs and they are all terrible and nothing is being done about it except we will watch film and correct our mistakes?
Well, Zach is far from terrible, and we haven't even seen Wilson. Not sure how that makes three qb's that are all terrible?
Is it me, or can Evan Holm not tackle. It's almost like he's scared of contact.
Streveler scares me everytime he goes to throw
D line get zero pressure on the Qb. No blittzes. No stunts.
Quote from: Sway on September 13, 2025, 12:58:27 AMWe don't game plan for other teams weaknesses. We just trust our process, a process that has been figured out by the other teams at this point
Exactly this.
It's like we're in the film/planning room saying:
"Strev will make that short curl, 100% he will, the DB can't cheat up to INT, we hit this play 100%, yay us!"
instead of:
"Teams all pick on WPG short game, they all don't respect the deep threat, so let's make a plan around our incompetence to finally not be incompetent".
We may have a major case of hubris and overconfidence. We need humility and brains.
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on September 13, 2025, 12:57:50 AMThis could get ugly. Can't move the ball and can't stop the Hamilton offense.
Our D is doing more than enough to win this game so far. How many points has HAM gotten when our O didn't hand the ball to them deep in our zone?
That throw away was actually a good decision by Streveler.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:03:45 AMExactly this.
It's like we're in the film/planning room saying:
"Strev will make that short curl, 100% he will, the DB can't cheat up to INT, we hit this play 100%, yay us!"
instead of:
"Teams all pick on WPG short game, they all don't respect the deep threat, so let's make a plan around our incompetence to finally not be incompetent".
We may have a major case of hubris and overconfidence. We need humility and brains.
Last 4 GC's have been this exactly.
Snuck out of that of 2021 one
They rush three and it gets home.
Send 3 and get home. Pathetic
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:05:25 AMThat throw away was actually a good decision by Streveler.
he just cant find a receiver if his primary target is covered. Its not all on streveler our receivers either cant get open or our offensive schemes are just bad
This is the first time WPG has scored more than ZERO in the 3rd Q in many, many games. We actually tied HAM. And Strev drove the whole field. Goes to show maybe we do have hope.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:09:47 AMThis is the first time WPG has scored more than ZERO in the 3rd Q in many, many games. We actually tied HAM. And Strev drove the whole field. Goes to show maybe we do have hope.
If we got a TD, maybe. If we can't do it there, though...
Quote from: jdrattops on September 13, 2025, 01:02:50 AMIs it me, or can Evan Holm not tackle. It's almost like he's scared of contact.
Haven't noticed, but he has been a bright spot on D all year, and all last year. Maybe he is having an off game, but he's been solid before this.
This feels like one of the most hopeless games of the O'Shea era. Does anything believe they can come back?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:11:10 AMThis feels like one of the most hopeless games of the O'Shea area. Does anything believe they can come back?
Major recency bias, lol.
We've been creamed many times, even in our best years.
Unfortunately for us, Good Bo showed up tonight. Except for 1 too-high throw he's been on target.
They aren't giving us any chances for INTs, which is what we really need. Maybe we'll have to strip the ball, though so many of their passes are wide and OOB.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:11:10 AMThis feels like one of the most hopeless games of the O'Shea era. Does anything believe they can come back?
I do
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:11:10 AMThis feels like one of the most hopeless games of the O'Shea era. Does anything believe they can come back?
I'm starting to wonder if ND10 will even get a catch?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:11:10 AMThis feels like one of the most hopeless games of the O'Shea era. Does anything believe they can come back?
If Wilson was put in, yes I believe we could still come back. But that ain't happening.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 01:11:55 AMMajor recency bias, lol.
We've been creamed many times, even in our best years.
I don't mind getting beat badly. But never has there felt there is so much work to do since maybe 2016 or early 2017.
They aren't even close.
Quote from: jdrattops on September 13, 2025, 01:13:08 AMI'm starting to wonder if ND10 will even get a catch?
They'll have to give him a tiny toss on a jet sweep to keep his streak going. Massive streak, would suck to have it stop now.
Maybe we make a play on a ball and make this a game
Bo is still throwing 90 percent of the time
Please at least plan for Demski to get a pass. If you aren't putting in Wilson, at least keep Demski's streak going.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:12:12 AMUnfortunately for us, Good Bo showed up tonight. Except for 1 too-high throw he's been on target.
They aren't giving us any chances for INTs, which is what we really need. Maybe we'll have to strip the ball, though so many of their passes are wide and OOB.
If this is good Bo, we shouldn't be worried. The only reason they're in this game is the 14 points we gifted them.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:11:10 AMThis feels like one of the most hopeless games of the O'Shea era. Does anything believe they can come back?
will need a hamilton turnover or special teams big play.
Quote from: Ducky on September 13, 2025, 01:14:38 AMHonestly?
Absolutely.
Not likely, but Hamilton hasn't looked unbeatable. It's just our own mistakes.
Demski doing the bell rung thing
I think that's a catch. Gotta be because they're going to yank him
They gave Demski his fake reception because Streveler can't throw him a real one despite it being the exactly the play we need.
dude can't even pick a lane to run in
Three man front doesn't have a single person in the a or b gap. I don't mean be go on but they are abhorrent today. I don't think the defensive line could be possibly be any worse.
We've been light against the run this game, because they aren't running much. That's going to change now in the 4th. Game just got a whole lot harder.
HAM going to bet big Strev can't get 10.
Someone has to make a play
our dline can't get pressure and now can't stop the run.... but we don't need to roster woods or adams
5 on 3 + 1 LB isn't enough against a league top-3 Bell and that OL
I usually don't look at the forum during games, but had to check in.
This is going exactly as I expected. I'm actually cheering for the Ticats - the Bombers need to be taught a lesson. I love Strevy's leadership and guts, but he is not a starting QB. It's not his fault - he's doing his best out there, but he is just not even close to being good enough. Let's give Wilson a couple of games to see if he has any potential at all. And if he doesn't, let's see what Chase Artopoeus can do for a couple of games. This is embarrassing.
Kill shot incoming very soon. Stay vigilant
That's going to be our INT chance
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 13, 2025, 01:21:05 AMI usually don't look at the forum during games, but had to check in.
This is going exactly as I expected. I'm actually cheering for the Ticats - the Bombers need to be taught a lesson. I love Strevy's leadership and guts, but he is not a starting QB. It's not his fault - he's doing his best out there, but he is just not even close to being good enough. Let's give Wilson a couple of games to see if he has any potential at all. And if he doesn't, let's see what Chase Artopoeus can do for a couple of games. This is embarrassing.
Chase Artopoeus save us!!!! ;D
STOP
Now we only need 2 TDs to win
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 01:17:44 AMdude can't even pick a lane to run in
That indecision has caught him a couple of times tonight.
Can we just fire the OC already. The seasons done, we may even be a little better under JJ.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 01:22:45 AMThat indecision has caught him a couple of times tonight.
It's called cutting & deking. I'm fine with it. He didn't have the speed to get any more on the outside, so he stuck it back inside.
Quote from: jdrattops on September 13, 2025, 01:23:29 AMCan we just fire the OC already. The seasons done, we may even be a little better under JJ.
To be fair, in this game our O stats are pretty close to HAM's
Take away that fluke once-in-a-decade third down play, and Streveler is 9 of 16 for 89 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 picks.
We haven't taken a single deep shot
Strev slipping again. The slippy turf is costing us.
That may have been the deep shot right there.
amateur hour
Oh my gosh this is bad.
I'm very surprised that Streveler's play fake to no one did not fool them.
Quote from: jdrattops on September 13, 2025, 01:23:29 AMCan we just fire the OC already. The seasons done, we may even be a little better under JJ.
The OC isn't throwing the ball into traffic and over receivers heads...
Fake hand off too Charles Robert's ghost. Then he slips. Then runs up middle
Good gracious
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 13, 2025, 01:24:59 AMTake away that fluke once-in-a-decade third down play, and Streveler is 9 of 16 for 89 yards, TDs, and 2 picks.
You realize that play
only works because it was Strev in, right? We went tempo on 3rd&1 so HAM couldn't sub in the jumbo. If that was Zach, HAM has time to sub (because we would) and gets someone out on Wheatie.
how can MOS watch this and defend it??
I would say O'Shea has some explaining to do back at the office tomorrow.
The players haven't been good but the decisions, game plan and approach has been just as horrible.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:25:31 AMI'm very surprised that Streveler's play fake to no one did not fool them.
:D
Where is the laughing and rolling on the ground emoji?
The Statement by O'Shea to fly Zach out for this game is a sign he's coming back
Bombers aren't winning another game with Strev in
I would even be happy with Jones from Edm to finish this year because our 2 and 3 QBs arent doing anything, Please make a trade soon.
Walters must have cheaped out on getting a OC and DC this year. Offense game calling is terrible and our DC loves his 3 man rush that doesnt work
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 01:27:14 AMhow can MOS watch this and defend it??
Predictable as soon as you saw that they were going to do the same thing as they've done all year with the depth chart but still disappointing.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:27:17 AMI would say O'Shea has some explaining to do back at the office tomorrow.
Who's our equipment manager? I'd say HE has some explaining to do. How are they expected to play properly if every other move they make results in playing slip & slide.
2nd and 18 do we ahve a wuick kick in our arsenal
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:29:04 AMWho's our equipment manager? I'd say HE has some explaining to do. How are they expected to play properly if every other move they make results in playing slip & slide.
Rumour has it he still hasn't invented slip proof cleats.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:27:17 AMI would say O'Shea has some explaining to do back at the office tomorrow.
The players haven't been good but the decisions, game plan and approach has been just as horrible.
It sort of is a matched set! Horrible QB , Horrible Oline and Horrible Defense, Horrible OC and Horrible across the board management. So what can one expect?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:29:04 AMWho's our equipment manager? I'd say HE has some explaining to do. How are they expected to play properly if every other move they make results in playing slip & slide.
No one can touch Brad Fotty - he is Bomber royalty.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:26:39 AMYou realize that play only works because it was Strev in, right? We went tempo on 3rd&1 so HAM couldn't sub in the jumbo. If that was Zach, HAM has time to sub (because we would) and gets someone out on Wheatie.
It was total screwup by Hamilton that we may never see again for the rest of our football watching days. Ticats should have called a timeout and they left a player completely uncovered.
I say we still win it. HAM has no real MLB now. Nothing to stop Brady up the gut once we beat the DL, which we've been doing pretty well with so far!
Don't like the big injury gap in the game though. If we wait too long here we may lose any rhythm we had recently.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:30:21 AMRumour has it he still hasn't invented slip proof cleats.
The HAM manager did for today. It can be something as simple as cleats being too deep.
Streveler cant run like he used to. Knee injury ruined him. Without that threat teams can force him to throw. That is bad for the Bombers.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:23:41 AMIt's called cutting & deking. I'm fine with it. He didn't have the speed to get any more on the outside, so he stuck it back inside.
It would be called cutting and deking if he had the speed to do it, now it's just running horizontally instead of vertically and giving up free yards.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:32:25 AMThe HAM manager did for today. It can be something as simple as cleats being too deep.
I've noticed Hammy slipping a bunch too.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:32:25 AMThe HAM manager did for today. It can be something as simple as cleats being too deep.
I have no idea who slipped more but it's not in our top 20 problems tonight.
Holy sh** who was that pass meant for?!
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 13, 2025, 01:31:32 AMIt was total screwup by Hamilton that we may never see again for the rest of our football watching days. Ticats should have called a timeout and they left a player completely uncovered.
Right, because it was total confusion and chaos on their sideline and no one was thinking straight beyond just getting the personnel off the field.
Only because our SY guy is our starting QB.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:33:32 AMI have no idea who slipped more but it's not in our top 20 problems tonight.
We've definitely slipped more, but it hasn't been one-sided.
That's what we do on 2 and 18
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 01:33:55 AMHoly sh** who was that pass meant for?!
Confused camera guy shows Nic Demsk after panning furiously. No one knows. ;D
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:33:32 AMI have no idea who slipped more but it's not in our top 20 problems tonight.
It literally is. See Lawson slip for the 4th time tonight? Gave Kenny 5 extra YAC
Didn't expect much and sadly getting what I expected
Man Streveler can't even complete a screen pass, yet no Terry Wilson. Holy smokes, how bad does TW have to be?? I m sure he can complete a screen pass and not fall down dropping back in the pocket. CS is a total joke, yet Oshea true to form sticks with 'his guy'. Bravo MOS, bravo. I knew you'd never put Wilson in, no matter how poor your boy played.
And there we go again! What is going on? Seems like a playoff snow game out there.
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 01:35:52 AMMan Streveler can't even complete a screen pass, yet no Terry Wilson. Holy smokes, how bad does TW have to be?? I m sure he can complete a screen pass and not fall down dropping back in the pocket. CS is a total joke.
CS?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:35:23 AMIt literally is. See Lawson slip for the 4th time tonight? Gave Kenny 5 extra YAC
And if we got the ball back and Streveler overthrows two more screen passes what it made any difference?
its just embarrassing right now ticats arent evven trying
Wow. Brady crying? I don't blame him. Home GC season slipping away.
Still time though! Keep watching for the kill shot. BLM is just itching for it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:34:09 AMRight, because it was total confusion and chaos on their sideline and no one was thinking straight beyond just getting the personnel off the field.
Only because our SY guy is our starting QB.
Ok, I will rephrase. Complete incompetence by the Ticats coaching staff. It's not like that was 4d chess by the Bombers.
Listen, I like Strev. But he is completely overmatched in this role. Not his fault, he's doing his best. This is on O'Shea, who I also love as one of the all time best Bomber coaches. Even the best have traits that can get them in trouble. They deserve their comeuppance tonight.
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 01:36:40 AMCS?
Computer Science... oh wait, this is a Bomber game...
Chris
Streveler
Straight through the teeth of the Canadian interior untouched for the fourth time this quarter.
dont know why we called a time out, at this point OShea should be trying to get this over asap
Why are we going into this game starting 9 canadians, is our IMP players that BAD or is it just MOS likes his canadian LBers
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 01:37:16 AMSorry quoting myself. Just realized. Strevy
He's the only joke that I see on the field
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:36:43 AMAnd if we got the ball back and Streveler overthrows two more screen passes what it made any difference?
Still hope. Well, until they get 7 or 3, then it gets harder.
Gawd our defence is porous.
Wow, they picked on someone other than Lawson. Who'd they beat on that. Crap zone look. Why zone there? No pressure means zone is useless.
Jake Thomas with another zero tackle zero stat night.
Defence has checked out
Don't blame em
Now it's over.
Well, we kept BLM out of the EZ without the aid of TOs, until this moment.
I don't know why we didn't get 1 more guy up on the run in this drive. We all knew it was going to be this way.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:39:53 AMWow, they picked on someone other than Lawson. Who'd they beat on that. Crap zone look. Why zone there? No pressure means zone is useless.
It's actually the opposite. zone works better if you know you can't touch the quarterback for 12 minutes.
You can only plan man if you think you can get there
Hammy for Griffin? Hopefully nothing
Let's pick this 2PAT for 2 for us
Sure glad we have Strev as our QB
Annihilation
just a terrible performance. defence is bottom 1/3...strev is likely the worst backup in the cfl
I would be very surprised if we are anywhere but #9 in the ratings after this one.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:41:44 AMYou can only plan man if you think you can get there
Nope, I think we still do better in match with no pressure. Or a combo scheme. In our wide/soft zone it's way too easy to find the hole and sit down. Just like they did there. Then it's pitch & catch for any QB who isn't incompetent.
Now I'm sure the coaches are trying to make us lose. :D
Gonna be a long week listening to O'Shea try to rationalize this
This is about as ugly as it gets folks. Is the coaching staff humble enough yet?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:40:09 AMJake Thomas with another zero tackle zero stat night.
Good Ol Jake! Moss loves him - he will be starting for life until he retires.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:44:00 AMThis is about as ugly as it gets folks. Is the coaching staff humble enough yet?
Another pick might be in our best long-term interest...
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 01:42:33 AMjust a terrible performance. defence is bottom 1/3...strev is likely the worst backup in the cfl
Uh, we held BLM to pretty low stats. We stopped Kenny. We stopped any non-INT TD until the end.
If Strev doesn't throw those 2 picks... and if Strev got 1 or 2 TDs on his drives, then we win easily.
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on September 13, 2025, 01:42:49 AMI would be very surprised if we are anywhere but #9 in the ratings after this one.
We're what 3-6 in our last 9? We're not making the playoffs with this team. Which is probably for the best were a couple seasons overdue for a house cleaning.
Seriously hate that DRUNK RIGHT NOW crap during a broadcast when my kids are watching
This is the look the CFL wants?
One more Streveler series. Why not?!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:44:00 AMThis is about as ugly as it gets folks. Is the coaching staff humble enough yet?
Not even close - Moss will just say - have to look at the tapes and try and do better next week - etc. etc. etc. - wash and repeat! same old crap from him week in and week out!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:40:09 AMJake Thomas with another zero tackle zero stat night.
That's his standard game, nadda, zip, yet everyone loves him, I just don't get it. But I guess, our big FA signing Vaughters has done about the same. Nothing.
Wow it has been a long time since the Bomber's weren't fun to watch. Unfortunately that time is now.
It seems MOS doesnt want to be here next year with the line ups he putting in every game plus staying with a QB that cant throw
Quote from: BBRT on September 13, 2025, 01:46:29 AMNot even close - Moss will just say - have to look at the tapes and try and do better next week - etc. etc. etc. - wash and repeat! same old crap from him week in and week out!
He's working his way out of a job
We knew Streveler would probably be rough but I'm surprised how bad the defensive line got. They've struggled for a lot of last year and this year but today the bottom fell out. It was ugly. They had one series where they slightly impacted the game. And that was a one handed grab by Willie while Bo was throwing followed by a knock down. That's the entirety of the good plays. No joke.
This is starting to feel like the season we traded Charlie away.
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on September 13, 2025, 01:47:10 AMWow it has been a long time since the Bomber's weren't fun to watch. Unfortunately that time is now.
Meh, I watch every CFL game, beginning to end. There's far worse football being played this season. Though this isn't that great, to be sure.
13 points. Ugh
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on September 13, 2025, 01:47:10 AMWow it has been a long time since the Bomber's weren't fun to watch. Unfortunately that time is now.
You know, you're right, but Im not even upset about it. Every team goes through good and bad seasons, we've been lucky enough to have 5 in a row, not so much this year, we totally suck.
Good decision by Streveler there, no need completing a 3 yard throw and having Brady getting lit up......... yes my eyes are rolling
With the state of this team - in a year they host the Grey Cup - heads have to roll in the off season.
Massive over reliance on key veterans - many who are washed - and poor recruitment.
Told you the slippy turf and footwear is costing us massively
Maybe we are trying to lose so we don't need to go through the west? :D
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 01:48:36 AMThis is starting to feel like the season we traded Charlie away.
Nothing in my life will ever feel that low again.
What is the point in going for 2
Thing that the management need to be worried about - where will Brady play next year?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:50:18 AMTold you the slippy turf and footwear is costing us massively
You're right that there is a lot more slipping but missing a two yard wide side out down 400 points isn't exactly a "massive" cost.
On a positive note, crossover is better for us anyway. We are 0-5 against Calgary and Sask, so we're not getting to the Grey Cup through the West.
We start anyone other than Streveler for the rest of the season. Zach comes back for a last hurrah. Win the East. Play the Riders in a home Grey Cup game, and...
Might be a record for QB draws in a game
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 01:48:36 AMThis is starting to feel like the season we traded Charlie away.
For sure, I get the same feeling!! Definitely an end to an era for sure. Time to reload the talent shelves, dump the old under performing slugs and move on.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2025, 01:50:29 AMMaybe we are trying to lose so we don't need to go through the west? :D
Doesn't help if we finish fifth in the west
Quote from: barbk on September 13, 2025, 01:51:38 AMWhat is the point in going for 2
Another 8 puts us within 3.
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 13, 2025, 01:52:09 AMOn a positive note, crossover is better for us anyway. We are 0-5 against Calgary and Sask, so we're not getting to the Grey Cup through the West.
We start anyone other than Streveler for the rest of the season. Zach comes back for a last hurrah. Win the East. Play the Riders in a home Grey Cup game, and...
I like it
"Trust the Process"
Quote from: dd on September 13, 2025, 01:52:21 AMFor sure, I get the same feeling!! Definitely an end to an era for sure. Time to reload the talent shelves, dump the old under performing slugs and move on.
On the defensive line we might a well pluck some other teams PR and dress them. I promise it won't be worse than it was tonight.
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 13, 2025, 01:52:09 AMOn a positive note, crossover is better for us anyway. We are 0-5 against Calgary and Sask, so we're not getting to the Grey Cup through the West.
We start anyone other than Streveler for the rest of the season. Zach comes back for a last hurrah. Win the East. Play the Riders in a home Grey Cup game, and...
Buzz, buzz, buzz, wake up your alarm clock just went off!!
Jake Thomas clueless there on the short kick
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 01:53:01 AMAnother 8 puts us within 3.
Yup, just 1 more OSK win! Oh ya, and the little thing of a TD.
Well, it is possible!
Quote from: Sway on September 13, 2025, 01:53:15 AMI like it
"Trust the Process"
No one has EVER been to the GC through the crossover. You really think this year, with this team, we could be the first?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:52:03 AMYou're right that there is a lot more slipping but missing a two yard wide side out down 400 points isn't exactly a "massive" cost.
It's the sum total of the whole game. PS Brady likely runs for 1st D if he catches that
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 01:53:48 AMOn the defensive line we might a well pluck some other teams PR and dress them. I promise it won't be worse than it was tonight.
I can't recall when our D line has been this bad, even in the Reinbold era!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:54:23 AMYup, just 1 more OSK win! Oh ya, and the little thing of a TD.
Well, it is possible!
Not anymore, lol.
Oh my gosh... this penalty basically NEVER gets called in OSK!
What the heck is that by command!?!?!?
Pathetic call
That was an incredibly weak-butt flag from EITS WEAK
Wow, bogus call on Demski, are you kidding me?? Both playing the ball but somehow Nick interfered with poor Kenny?!?!
I hate MOS loyalty RE Strev. MOS played under D Matthews...anyone think Strev would've continued to be in the game under Matthew's or kindly Cal. Stupid...stupid...stupid
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 01:54:49 AMNo one has EVER been to the GC through the crossover. You really think this year, with this team, we could be the first?
Well no, not really. But given the choice of Stamps/Riders or Als/Ticats...
OMG.... gong show
Why is it a re-kick?
What is going on here?
Proulx the fool!! In what world Andre would a team give up possession of the ball and make a team re-kick...duuuuh nowhere!!!!
First command gives BLM a bogus sliding TD last week, then CFL posts a X clip of it that is literally the worst/obscured view of the play, then they steal a perfectly legit case-study OSK recovery tonight.
I'm starting to lose confidence in the league.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:54:53 AMIt's the sum total of the whole game. PS Brady likely runs for 1st D if he catches that
It's hard to say it hasn't had some impact but when you play as bad as we did I don't think you can really complain about it. Who cares if it's raining while the ship has a massive hole in it?
I mean, we most likely wouldn't win anyhow. So why steal the brilliant OSK play from us?
That Castillo kick was to the moon and just superb, best I've seen in a long time.
Where were these deep passes all game?
Demski has no quit
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 01:48:36 AMThis is starting to feel like the season we traded Charlie away.
not even close to me.
TiCats are dropping like flys as well.
Haha, nice fake injury HAM. Oh po boi has a cwamp when they need to sub in when we're on tempo
Shades of SSK a few years back
just waiting for MOS to reference these garbage time yards as something positive
Quote from: The Zipp on September 13, 2025, 02:02:43 AMjust waiting for MOS to reference these garbage time yards as something positive
He's finally figured it out! We always knew he could. I've told Chase Artopoeus to follow him around for the next 72 hours.
Quote from: barbk on September 13, 2025, 01:57:40 AMOMG.... gong show
Andre Proulx does not know what he is doing.
And that says it all...
I believe Streveler is hurt? Were there Bombers huddling around him?
O'Shea after the game: "Gentleman, Streveler hurt his knee on last play of the game. Our new quarterback will be Tui Eli. Terry, I expect you to support him as he learns the playbook. Now if you excuse me I must watch Michael Ayers iso replay shots of his kick covers on loop. I'm NOT to be disturbed."
Strevy got hurt. Hate to say it but we need another option in there. I am sorry but enough is enough. Need new blood at QB.
Now Strev is done
Well he can't walk. But O'Shea will trot him out next week
18 sec remaining with the clock stopped after the Demski catch... kick the FG O'Shea. If you're not scoring a TD on the next play, the time is gone. Kick a FG, 4 seconds, leaves 14. Short kick, 2-3 sec. You recover you may have 2 plays remaining. But no, let's be f'in dumb with the clock like we've been all season!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2025, 02:01:43 AMnot even close to me.
You and me against the world, Goldie.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2025, 02:05:26 AMStrevy got hurt. Hate to say it but we need another option in there. I am sorry but enough is enough. Need new blood at QB.
He's tough. He's probably more mentally hurt.
He should have gone over the top. He had that TD right there. He slowed up, too.
Oh well, sums up the game pretty much.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 02:05:07 AMI believe Streveler is hurt? Were there Bombers huddling around him?
O'Shea after the game: "Gentleman, Streveler hurt his knee on last play of the game. Our new quarterback will be Tui Eli. Terry, I expect you to support him as he learns the playbook. Now if you excuse me I must watch Michael Ayers iso replay shots of his kick covers on loop. I'm NOT to be disturbed."
That last hit didn't look good.
Quote from: jdrattops on September 13, 2025, 02:06:52 AM18 sec remaining with the clock stopped after the Demski catch... kick the FG O'Shea. If you're not scoring a TD on the next play, the time is gone. Kick a FG, 4 seconds, leaves 14. Short kick, 2-3 sec. You recover you may have 2 plays remaining. But no, let's be f'in dumb with the clock like we've been all season!
Id love to hear him answer this
Ted was born in 1970?? Wow, he looked like 70 even before the cancer! That's just crazy insane. 1970 people shouldn't be dying for many years, not from that form of cancer! Sad.
I just rewatched the Strev tackle in slow mo and he'll be perfectly fine. There was zero risk to his legs/knee as his legs were free for most of the tackle and I saw no forced strain or legs-under injury.
Plus, he has that brace protecting his bum knee.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:08:01 AMHe's tough. He's probably more mentally hurt.
He should have gone over the top. He had that TD right there. He slowed up, too.
Oh well, sums up the game pretty much.
Well, no one doubts that he's tough.
The rest of us wouldn't be walking upstairs to go to bed after his injury last year, much less playing professional football. But it's obviously limited his already limited ability to play the position of QB.
All due respect to Streveler the man and to all he's done for this organization. I want his autograph the first chance I get. But I don't want to see him on the field ever again. In any capacity.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:12:30 AMI just rewatched the Strev tackle in slow mo and he'll be perfectly fine. There was zero risk to his legs/knee as his legs were free for most of the tackle and I saw no forced strain or legs-under injury.
Plus, he has that brace protecting his bum knee.
What if it's a concussion can your PVR diagnose that?
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:12:49 AMAll due respect to Streveler the man and to all he's done for this organization. I want his autograph the first chance I get. But I don't want to see him on the field ever again. In any capacity.
Well, if Zach is still out next week (which I strongly doubt) then better prep yourself for Strev being the starter...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:12:30 AMI just rewatched the Strev tackle in slow mo and he'll be perfectly fine. There was zero risk to his legs/knee as his legs were free for most of the tackle and I saw no forced strain or legs-under injury.
Plus, he has that brace protecting his bum knee.
You really gotta stop self diagnosing on TV.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:13:45 AMWell, if Zach is still out next week (which I strongly doubt) then better prep yourself for Strev being the starter...
I definitely think Zach is back.
I will keep holding out hope for T-Will to be the new SY guy, as he's so much better at it.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:14:17 AMYou really gotta stop self diagnosing on TV.
Yeah but then his post count would drop by a third
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:15:59 AMYeah but then his post count would drop by a third
He's shooting for all time forum leader.
Where to start the analysis? Horrible game. We lost it in the 1st 2 minutes with the int and it was downhill from there.
Some of us said it before TC that Streveler should not have been re-signed and given the # 2 spot by default. Mind you the other QB's we brought in were not good but blame that on scouting.
Mitchell. He had about 22 yards but he needs to be benched. No where near productive enough with or without Collaros.
Thomas invisible again. No surprise there.
Ayers made an ST tonight. Big deal.
Out coached and it appeared the team gave up shortly into the 2nd half.
I don't know that Collaros will play next week. Our use of 1 game IR is deceiving. Even if he does play we don't have a good group of receivers. Maybe Sterns is back.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:14:17 AMYou really gotta stop self diagnosing on TV.
Why? Just want to wait for muh authoritah to lie to us later in the week?
I've watched so many slow-mo CFL injuries that I have a pretty good feel for it. And I'm entitled to a guess as much as the next guy.
I guarantee you that he did not get his legs rolled up on like the real time shot may have looked like. Nor any hyper-extension. Legs looked in normal shape/angle the whole play.
I think he just took a hard hit, flew in the air, and was discombobulated.
But you feel free to wait for WFC to say "upper body / eye".
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:07:59 AMYou and me against the world, Goldie.
You Me and Blink! :)
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:15:59 AMYeah but then his post count would drop by a third
I GOTTA keep my numbers up. Mafia pays me 1c per post!
Doug Brown: if Zach is not available they should consider a different quarterback for Ottawa. :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:18:36 AMI GOTTA keep my numbers up. Mafia pays me 1c per post!
Hate to break it to you, but the Mafia is done after this season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:17:49 AMWhy? Just want to wait for muh authoritah to lie to us later in the week?
I've watched so many slow-mo CFL injuries that I have a pretty good feel for it. And I'm entitled to a guess as much as the next guy.
I guarantee you that he did not get his legs rolled up on like the real time shot may have looked like. Nor any hyper-extension. Legs looked in normal shape/angle the whole play.
I think he just took a hard hit, flew in the air, and was discombobulated.
But you feel free to wait for WFC to say "upper body / eye".
Feel free to make guesses.
But obviously we've seen many no contact or incidental contact cause season ending injuries while the most devastating hits seem to do no damage.
We can't tell what's happening internally via the TV. That's why doctors exist.
O'Shea says he never thought about making a quarterback change once.
Ummm okay.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:20:05 AMHate to break it to you, but the Mafia is done after this season.
Doubt it.
(And they shouldn't be. Silly take).
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:20:05 AMHate to break it to you, but the Mafia is done after this season.
Then I need to ask for my cheque now! In 10 years here I've accrued... $180
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2025, 02:21:21 AMO'Shea says he never thought about making a quarterback change once.
And angry fans should take a step back on this one.
A) He wouldn't tell us if he did.
B) Wilson might be that bad.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:22:00 AMThen I need to ask for my cheque now! In 10 years here I've accrued... $180
Took the rest of us 20 years
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 01:59:00 AMI pity the Proulx!
Thank you to Ducky for the one like on this brilliant comment.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:23:05 AMAnd angry fans should take a step back on this one.
A) He wouldn't tell us if he did.
B) Wilson might be that bad.
It would be hard to be significantly worse...
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:21:02 AMWe can't tell what's happening internally via the TV. That's why doctors exist.
Yes, but we can say "when we see this type of play/hit in the CFL over 10 years then 80% of the time the result was X, 10% Y, 10% Z". That is what I'm doing in my head when I predict the injury after slow-mo study.
And who wants to wait 4 days to find out something vague from WFC?
Some people were making their own GUESS (before me) that Strev was possibly badly hurt. I wanted to help assuage fears by analyzing & reporting my (much more warm fuzzy) guess.
In any event, me reporting there was no strain/roll-up (the big fear based on the live look) will be useful to many.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:21:51 AMDoubt it.
(And they shouldn't be. Silly take).
Agreed something has to change they won't all go but one or more of the 3 will be gone imo
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:23:05 AMAnd angry fans should take a step back on this one.
A) He wouldn't tell us if he did.
B) Wilson might be that bad.
We've been driving with the Check Engine light on for the last two seasons and I fear we're going back to the QB wilderness very soon and will be longing for the days of Brink and Elliot
I know that most people are stuck with the crap PVRs like Shaw / Bell that make quick slow-mo analysis really hard or impossible. I know, I have Shaw. It's crap compared to my computer setup.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:27:42 AMlonging for the days of Brink and Elliot
Ouch. At least it's not Brohm. No one pines for Brohm. Goltz maybe, but never Brohm.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:25:53 AMYes, but we can say "when we see this type of play/hit in the CFL over 10 years then 80% of the time the result was X, 10% Y, 10% Z". That is what I'm doing in my head when I predict the injury after slow-mo study.
And who wants to wait 4 days to find out something vague from WFC?
Some people were making their own GUESS (before me) that Strev was possibly badly hurt. I wanted to help assuage fears by analyzing & reporting my (much more warm fuzzy) guess.
In any event, me reporting there was no strain/roll-up (the big fear based on the live look) will be useful to many.
Regardless of what any of us say, we're still waiting to see if a player practices or not.
And many people commented, it's your tendency to make medical claims based on TV footage which is nonsensical.
But you do you.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:27:42 AMWe've been driving with the Check Engine light on for the last two seasons and I fear we're going back to the QB wilderness very soon and will be longing for the days of Brink and Elliot
Realistically, we all knew it was coming when Zach aged out. QBs are hard to come by.
Zach's the first quality starter I've seen in my entire fandom (depending how low your standards are).
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:29:33 AMAnd many people commented, it's your tendency to make medical claims based on TV footage which is nonsensical.
But you do you.
I will, thanks! I like thinking and studying and analyzing, and I defer to no authority.
You keep on believing (wishing?) he has some rolled-up-on horrific leg break injury.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:32:31 AMI will, thanks! I like thinking and studying and analyzing, and I defer to no authority.
You keep on believing (wishing?) he has some rolled-up-on horrific leg break injury.
I don't believe anything, lol. That's the point.
Just noticed he was slow getting up. He's probably fine.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:31:32 AMRealistically, we all knew it was coming when Zach aged out. QBs are hard to come by.
Zach's the first quality starter I've seen in my entire fandom (depending how low your standards are).
We'll sign Ford in the off season, not upgrade the Oline, and watch him literally run for his life for 4 games next year.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:33:50 AMI don't believe anything, lol. That's the point.
In all seriousness then, isn't that just a form of laziness? "I don't want to check the film", "I don't want to think about it", "Authoritah will tell me in a few days"
Not a dig, just trying to understand your mindset, because it's completely the opposite of mine. I want to figure it out myself, right now, as best is possible given the available info, and make educated guesses that more often than not turn out right. It's what I thrive on.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:37:19 AMIn all seriousness then, isn't that just a form of laziness? "I don't want to check the film", "I don't want to think about it", "Authoritah will tell me in a few days"
Not a dig, just trying to understand your mindset, because it's completely the opposite of mine. I want to figure it out myself, right now, as best is possible given the available info, and make educated guesses that more often than not turn out right. It's what I thrive on.
I would rather take time to make a correct decision than make a wrong one quickly. There's literally no way no know anything right now, regardless of how slow you can run the tape.
It's like asking what Mike O'Shea had for breakfast this morning by watching his post game presser. I'm sure you can make a guess, there just won't be any information to back it up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:37:19 AMIn all seriousness then, isn't that just a form of laziness? "I don't want to check the film", "I don't want to think about it", "Authoritah will tell me in a few days"
Not a dig, just trying to understand your mindset, because it's completely the opposite of mine. I want to figure it out myself, right now, as best is possible given the available info, and make educated guesses that more often than not turn out right. It's what I thrive on.
Because it's a waste of time. Rewatching a single play over and over again to come up with a medical diagnosis when you can't actually examine the player is pointless
Quote from: bluengold204 on September 13, 2025, 02:49:34 AMBecause it's a waste of time. Rewatching a single play over and over again to come up with a medical diagnosis when you can't actually examine the player is pointless
Absolutely pointless.
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 12, 2025, 03:51:12 PMMan, you're not living up to your signature these days.
I don't blame anyone for being a little down on the team as of late but you're like a different person
I am not down on the team at all, I think we have the personnel to get to the GC and win.
I am down on MOS making Streveler a ride or die. And was proven right again tonight.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 02:27:42 AMWe've been driving with the Check Engine light on for the last two seasons and I fear we're going back to the QB wilderness very soon and will be longing for the days of Brink and Elliot
Remember this scene from Jaws?
I think O'Shea is Quint, after he takes a bat to the marine radio cutting off all hope of a rescue he intends to burn the boat down to the waterline just to prove he's the captain. I only wish he was a heavy drinker so we'd get a little more entertainment value out of what's left of this season.
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 13, 2025, 01:57:20 AMWell no, not really. But given the choice of Stamps/Riders or Als/Ticats...
At best a slower death
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 13, 2025, 02:26:11 AMAgreed something has to change they won't all go but one or more of the 3 will be gone imo
Long way before Miller brings in the guy on a Harley
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 13, 2025, 02:03:43 AMAndre Proulx does not know what he is doing.
understatement for the last 20 years...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 02:29:22 AMOuch. At least it's not Brohm. No one pines for Brohm. Goltz maybe, but never Brohm.
I would put Sammy Garza on that list
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:24:08 AMThank you to Ducky for the one like on this brilliant comment.
Now I am insulted! I liked it as soon as I saw it.
Mr.T!!
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:11:07 AMI am not down on the team at all, I think we have the personnel to get to the GC and win.
I am down on MOS making Streveler a ride or die. And was proven right again tonight.
Yeah I actually agree with you, I just find it unfamiliar seeing you criticize the team ever in the last 15 years since I joined the forum.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:11:07 AMI am not down on the team at all, I think we have the personnel to get to the GC and win.
I am down on MOS making Streveler a ride or die. And was proven right again tonight.
In all seriousness, who is good enough to win the GC? Oliveira, Demski and O. Wilson. Castillo. Holm.
O Line - no
D Line - no
Secondary - no
QB - no
Coachin staff - not a chance
Quote from: bluengold204 on September 13, 2025, 02:49:34 AMBecause it's a waste of time. Rewatching a single play over and over again to come up with a medical diagnosis when you can't actually examine the player is pointless
No it's not a waste of time or pointless. A lot can be seen from the video. You are right that an actual diagnosis comes after examination. However, even that isn't perfect. Imaging then shows things you couldn't find on physical exam.
Even then, imaging (as much as my radiology colleagues would like to think) is not perfect, no matter the latest MRI you can see or access. I've seen radiology reports underestimate damage/injury, and also overestimate.
So now you are left with surgery - seeing in real time what is happening in the joint - either laproscopically, or fully open operation. That is when you can see what actual damage is done.
But to assume watching video meticulously can't give you any further information than pure speculation is just silly. At the extreme - watch the Joe Theismann injury. Not hard to see he wouldn't be starting the next game.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 04:26:15 AMIn all seriousness, who is good enough to win the GC? Oliveira, Demski and O. Wilson. Castillo. Holm.
O Line - no
D Line - no
Secondary - no
QB - no
Disagree with QB - if Zach is completely healthy - he is good enough.
Quote from: barbk on September 13, 2025, 03:55:27 AMI would put Sammy Garza on that list
You might have to explain Sammy Garza to 3/4 of the group here lol.... The man who paved the way for Kevin Feterik
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 04:27:47 AMDisagree with QB - if Zach is completely healthy - he is good enough.
Those days are behind him unfortunately.
I dont think hope is lost for this season unless Zac is done, some things that can be done:
1 Roster Adams or Woods, so we have options to help rush (replace Ayers)
2 Get healthy, Sterns and Parker could help this team
3 Offensively need to disguise plays better, its not cheating to do a pump fake occasionally
4 Cant just do things the way we've always done ( so called bomber football) need to actually game plan other teams weaknesses. Along with this we cant just simply go with the same players based on loyalty At some point talent has to show
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 04:32:01 AMThose days are behind him unfortunately.
Again disagree. Those days aren't behind him, but they may be for the Oline. If we had an Oline from 2019/2021 - Zach is back in form.
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 04:44:25 AMAgain disagree. Those days aren't behind him, but they may be for the Oline. If we had an Oline from 2019/2021 - Zach is back in form.
19 - 23 his TD to Int ratio was in the 4:1 range
24 and 25 it's 1:1.
His form is gone and it ain't coming back. Again, love everything he's done for us but he is cooked and we need to stop thinking that the glory years are coming back.
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 04:40:37 AMI dont think hope is lost for this season unless Zac is done, some things that can be done:
1 Roster Adams or Woods, so we have options to help rush (replace Ayers)
2 Get healthy, Sterns and Parker could help this team
3 Offensively need to disguise plays better, its not cheating to do a pump fake occasionally
4 Cant just do things the way we've always done ( so called bomber football) need to actually game plan other teams weaknesses. Along with this we cant just simply go with the same players based on loyalty At some point talent has to show
3&4 - may be the downfall of this season.
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 04:44:25 AMAgain disagree. Those days aren't behind him, but they may be for the Oline. If we had an Oline from 2019/2021 - Zach is back in form.
I'm the biggest Zach fan there is, but regular sacks are taking him out of games.
I still think he's our QB next season, but "healthy" Zach is something that appears in spurts and has nothing to do with the OL in front of him.
More protection means a higher percentage of good plays, of course. But in terms of keeping him on the field...any QB is going to be hit sometimes...
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 04:51:49 AM19 - 23 his TD to Int ratio was in the 4:1 range
24 and 25 it's 1:1.
His form is gone and it ain't coming back. Again, love everything he's done for us but he is cooked and we need to stop thinking that the glory years are coming back.
Can't argue with the stats - you are right. I just think the deterioration of the Oline has been more at fault than any age-related changes with Zach.
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 04:55:40 AMI'm the biggest Zach fan there is, but regular sacks are taking him out of games.
I still think he's our QB next season, but "healthy" Zach is something that appears in spurts and has nothing to do with the OL in front of him.
More protection means a higher percentage of good plays, of course. But in terms of keeping him on the field...any QB is going to be hit sometimes...
I honestly don't think he's our QB for next season - at least, I hope not. If this is another concussion then I hope he doesn't step back on the field. I can say that as a fan, if I am on national media I wouldn't say that, personally. I don't want him to risk anything further for the future, but that is just my bias, Zach and his family know more about what his risks are going forward so have to respect whatever he decides.
Regarding regular sacks taking him out of games - I am not sure, this may be true. What I do know is that SSK has taken out QB's over the last few years, including for us, at an alarming rate. Don't know the stats, but definitely seems higher than other teams. How many other teams have had players essentially banned from the CFL for hits to QB's in the last few years?
I still think if he has 2019/2021 protection he can get the job done. How can anyone argue to the contrary? We haven't had a solid Oline in a few years - certainly not the same as our GC winning seasons.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2025, 03:11:07 AMI am not down on the team at all, I think we have the personnel to get to the GC and win.
I am down on MOS making Streveler a ride or die. And was proven right again tonight.
Outside of earlier in the season, this team is NOWHERE near championship calibre now. Tinkering with a few players is not going to cut it. This is o'sheas and walters mulligan season much like Dickie Dee had last year in Calgary.
The old guard is just old and slow now. They gambled on one more year from the oldest vets in a home grey cup year and it has backfired. Endless injuries also not helping and some very questionable coaching decisions.
They have 5 games left and I sense they won't even make the playoffs and finish 5th in the west unless BC and Edmonton tank too. I hope the team proves me wrong and rises up late for one last kick at the cup, but next season is a rebuild year no matter what occurs even if a miracle happens.
To see them keep trotting out Streveler is embarrassing. A lot of things have crumbled this season all at the same time. It has been an amazing run to now. Just not in the cards this season from what I see.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 04:30:00 AMYou might have to explain Sammy Garza to 3/4 of the group here lol.... The man who paved the way for Kevin Feterik
Sammy was "kindly" Cal's son in law. I can't recall though if he made the bombers before or after marriage to cal's daughter.
Sammy had a little bit of talent, but feterik in calgary was nepo baby nonsense. Daddy only bought the stamps so Sonny boy could play somewhere.one of many reasons Wally Buono decided to bail. Total gong show much like joe Mack era if not worse!
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 13, 2025, 05:53:43 AMSammy had a little bit of talent, but feterik in calgary was nepo baby nonsense. Daddy only bought the stamps so Sonny boy could play somewhere.one of many reasons Wally Buono decided to bail.
Like Always-Crash Lance Stroll in F1. But hey, gotta cheer for him a little bit: he's Canadian after all.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 04:51:49 AM19 - 23 his TD to Int ratio was in the 4:1 range
24 and 25 it's 1:1.
Ya, but '24 is when our OL started going to crap. Yes, even with Dobson -- PFF be darned. Zach has been under duress throughout both seasons. '24 he had major happy feet because of it. This season he's mega-calm and just sits there and takes the licks. I'm not sure what's worse.
Zach can still get the job done. And with this REC corps. Problem is OL and OC.
The pressure on Hogan after tonight must be insane. I don't want to be him in that meeting room with MOS the next day.
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 04:40:37 AM1 Roster Adams or Woods, so we have options to help rush (replace Ayers)
What if we schemed, all season (and earlier) on purpose to not have a pass rush? If that's what our players have been taught all season, can you just turn on the pass-rush switch with a couple of DT replacements?
Surely you can't just change your "book" and entire D philosophy overnight?
And now do O: O is what needs an entirely new and fresh book; way more than D.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 13, 2025, 04:26:15 AMO Line - no
D Line - no
Secondary - no
QB - no
Coachin staff - not a chance
OL - maybe, with Vant/Lofton
DL - no
QB - yes, with protection and scheme
DBs - 100% yes we have the talent, why do you think HAM only picked on Lawson? Put Parker there, instantly one of the best DB corps. Even with no pressure they might be lockdown
Coaches: are letting the whole team down. Players are going to start losing faith in the system, if they haven't already. The look on Brady & Demski's faces today was very telling.
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 13, 2025, 04:18:08 AMYeah I actually agree with you, I just find it unfamiliar seeing you criticize the team ever in the last 15 years since I joined the forum.
Aards down on the team: pig's flying (there they go! oink oink)
PJ down on the team: hades freezes over (never gonna happen)
Quote from: Jesse on September 13, 2025, 02:49:06 AMI would rather take time to make a correct decision than make a wrong one quickly. There's literally no way no know anything right now, regardless of how slow you can run the tape.
Yet no one said boo about the posts well before mine saying that Strev "looked injured". So them giving their diagnosis of "looks injured" after a real-time one-shot view: OK in your books. Me giving my diagnosis of "nothing bad visibly happened to his legs" after a slo-mo computer deep dive: grounds for 10+ posts of "waste of time"?
Shouldn't you apply it equally to everyone doing the former? Or are we only allowed to TV-diagnose our players with BAD outcomes?
Starting today I'm going to keep track of my educated guess diagnoses, and start keeping score. I'd say if I can beat 75% success rate, then it's worthwhile, at least to me.
Houston: they didn't test him much. When he came in on come-back wide out passes (and at other times) he really laid the wood on RECs. Good! I think he was excellent in his first game back. If it was Vaval over there they would have picked on him as much as Lawson.
No post-games on the video thread nor the bb site? Strange, as it wasn't a "late" game.
Maybe they won't show them because they are just crying and expletives and fisticuffs and hari kari?
I guess I'll try to track down the 'OB one...
I put a link to the MOS CJOB interview on the stickied video thread. I'm sure many of you heard this already. First time for me.
MOS offering the exact same usual platitudes. He might start getting in trouble for this. It's starting to sound a bit like Dickenson The Lesser's SSK "shucks the boy's played hard" that got so many SSK fans irate after 2 seasons of constant losing -- irate enough to abandon their STH's forever.
"Certainly not out of hand" -- uh, we were down 3 scores at one point, in the 2nd half, and for quite a while.
His first response to a Strev question: "showed grittiness". Ya, he did, but that's not the main takeaway about Strev from this game...
I think MOS is going to have to start talking about how they will DO SOMETHING. "A couple of plays back" is not enough to win us anything. Fans will get more restless after this one.
Maybe the boys will go bowling. (Riderforum readers will get this)
Confirmed: Strev INTs 1 & 2: both times the DB starts his cheat up BEFORE the ball is thrown. On INT #1 the DB cheats up as soon as the ball snaps to Strev and he looks that way. Wow.
There was zero respect for a double-move or an over-the-top pass. ZERO.
In INT #1 it was 2 REC on 1 DB out on an island. How do you lose that? Worse, make it an INT? Have the WR do a fake curl and have the "blocker" do a faux block and bee-line down the rail! Instant TD. Even if Strev can't throw, make it a rainbow and the REC can get under it somehow. The DB would never recover in time, even on an underthrow.
INT #2 if Demski stops & goes he has only a badly positioned FS to beat.
What I don't understand, is if we see all game all DBs undercutting routes and cheating up, why don't we adjust to make them pay?
LAPO WOULD HAVE MADE THEM PAY. He would have loved getting them to bite so hard like this to set them up for massive pain later in the game. Why can't Hogan see this and use this as easy bait?
That said, Strev needs to learn to pull it back down when he sees no one bit on the deep route fake. INT #1 I guess he can be forgiven because Pokey was supposed to block/rub -- and he failed miserably. But INT #2 he could have pulled it back down. In fact, I think he used to be good at this: pull it down and just run forward.
Why are all these other coords playing chess while we play tiddlywinks?
Thanks to gobombersgo for burning the midnight oil and putting up the post-games at 2:30am!
They were both super short: 1-2 mins each from Strev/MOS. Strev was mega bummed out. MOS just said the usual.
I think it's wearing on the players, all this losing.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 13, 2025, 03:29:27 AMRemember this scene from Jaws?
I think O'Shea is Quint, after he takes a bat to the marine radio cutting off all hope of a rescue he intends to burn the boat down to the waterline just to prove he's the captain. I only wish he was a heavy drinker so we'd get a little more entertainment value out of what's left of this season.
LOL!
At this point I am disappointed that MOS isn't a lot smarter than what he is showing. Very disappointed. He's being out-coached on a regular basis and I always believed that as the years went by he'd get wiser. For some reason that hasn't happened and it isn't just stubbornness. He may just not be a very good coach. Great cheerleader though.
Wade Miller has some tough decisions to make.
I'm not honestly sure adding some players from our PR is going to help. Adams, Woods, J. Jones and Echols either aren't good enough or the coaches are too stubborn to move away from current roster unless injuries force the issue.
Griffin got nicked but might be ok to play next week. The jury is still out on whether Collaros can play. I was surprised he was on the sidelines, thinking flying can be an issue when dealing with possible concussion. Maybe that's a good sign he plays next week.
Regardless, Ottawa is a good team on offence but not so much on defence. It won't be an easy job to win if we don't find a way to stop the turnover freebees.
Defence played fairly well all things considered. That may be a little deceptive when the opponent gets a 2 TD advantage with points on turnovers, it changes the plan somewhat.
Houston played well. Lawson was the weakest link but didn't give up the explosive plays as in past games.
Next game against the Redblacks may be an issue with a QB that can run and make plays on the run. Brown is less elusive but more dangerous as a passer. I'm not sure who will start but can we pressure either?
Quote from: Sway on September 13, 2025, 02:09:29 AMId love to hear him answer this
I sent this to DT and DB on the post game but they didn't answer this. I plan on calling in on Monday to ask Osh this question.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 01:45:50 AMSeriously hate that DRUNK RIGHT NOW crap during a broadcast when my kids are watching
This is the look the CFL wants?
Me too! Not even enjoy responsibly? I'll save that Playnow logo on our jersey for another time though.
Where are my Ulf Nilsson drinking only milk commercials?
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 13, 2025, 04:44:25 AMAgain disagree. Those days aren't behind him, but they may be for the Oline. If we had an Oline from 2019/2021 - Zach is back in form.
Where is Travis Bond when you need him?
I know, I know, he's from well before 2019. But the idea is that sometimes bringing in one key piece, one very good player, can make everyone around them better. And yes, getting Nichols for Willy made a huge difference also, but Bond was crucial.
Quote from: jdrattops on September 13, 2025, 02:52:02 PMI sent this to DT and DB on the post game but they didn't answer this. I plan on calling in on Monday to ask Osh this question.
He'll come up with some cockamamy excuse, but the reality is, he's incompetent with clock management and that goes ditto for our OC. We should have our 3 minute offense already mapped out pre game. We got nothing, we fly by the seat of our pants asleep at the wheel. It's so JV high school football it isn't even funny. Actually JV teams manage it better than the Bombers!!
You can tell a teams football IQ by how many times they have to call a TO to get the right personnel on the field, and by the way they manage the clock in the last 3 minutes. We have had to call timeout a number of times to get the right D on the field and the scenario you laid out is 100% correct, but totally beyond our coaching staff. It's sad. Professional football and to squander time like that is a sin, yet we put up with it
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2025, 06:23:59 AMWhat if we schemed, all season (and earlier) on purpose to not have a pass rush? If that's what our players have been taught all season, can you just turn on the pass-rush switch with a couple of DT replacements?
Surely you can't just change your "book" and entire D philosophy overnight?
And now do O: O is what needs an entirely new and fresh book; way more than D.
when teams have figured out what your doing you need options. We did run more of a traditional dline at beginning of year. Im not saying doing away with the 3 man rush, but change it up. Woods/Adams may help. Also with the current depth chart we provide 0 rush. Just need to look at our turnover production to see what its not good enough.
Quote from: J5V on September 13, 2025, 01:57:52 PMHe's being out-coached on a regular basis and I always believed that as the years went by he'd get wiser. For some reason that hasn't happened and it isn't just stubbornness. He may just not be a very good coach. Great cheerleader though.
Keep in mind MOS is an extremely hands-off captain. He wants to get the right/skilled managers (coords) in place then stand back and let them be the experts at their field. I doubt he has much input in the O play calls and schemes. At most he sets the tone & direction.
It could be Hogan is incompetent. It's not a done deal, yet. But it's starting to trend in that direction. If so, then MOS is in deep doodoo because even though he's hands-off, the buck stops with him, and the losing makes him look bad. Most people don't know these problems are all OC, they just blame MOS.
Now, will MOS step in and be more hands-on until it's fixed? Nothing I know about MOS leads me to believe that. He can change tone & direction, but he won't be micromanaging the O or coming up with schemes.
The only solution would seem to be outside help. Not sure how you do that within the coach cap. And I think Jarious is already giving max input, so he may not be an answer either.
Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2025, 08:08:57 PMwhen teams have figured out what your doing you need options. We did run more of a traditional dline at beginning of year. Im not saying doing away with the 3 man rush, but change it up. Woods/Adams may help. Also with the current depth chart we provide 0 rush. Just need to look at our turnover production to see what its not good enough.
That is true. However, even with trad 4 man DL they still weren't getting many sacks/pressure.
Does that mean we "tried" to have a trad pass rush, but when we saw we didn't have the horses we reverted back to '24 3-man "we won't even try" mode? That could be.
That also would totally explain why we don't roster Woods/Adams: we've given up on rush and will rely only on cover.
Quote from: Waffler on September 13, 2025, 04:06:07 PMMe too! Not even enjoy responsibly? I'll save that Playnow logo on our jersey for another time though.
Ya, and even though I skip the Drunk song as soon as it comes up, did I catch a little bit of the next line which has something about puking?!? What the actual...
As for Play Now, at least the name/logo is 100% innocuous to children, they'll just think it means play football now. It's not like they're singing "I wanna go broke gambling right now now now now now".
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 13, 2025, 02:12:30 PMNext game against the Redblacks may be an issue with a QB that can run and make plays on the run. Brown is less elusive but more dangerous as a passer. I'm not sure who will start but can we pressure either?
Well this should cheer everyone up, because our D has been superb against "mobile" QBs this season. Namely Ford and Rourke. We even did quite well containing VAJ, limiting his scrambles (even though we lost all the games).
BUT, looks like Dru will be back, so we'll rely on normal pocket-passer D. Which also has been pretty good now that our DB corps is rounding out and coming up to speed.
This is all on MOS, he always says next man up but the assist coaches we have are both not capable of getting us out of this mess. he says to bring up from within and its not working.
OC is way over his head especially with the play calling and not making changes at half time.
Our DC keeps going with a three man rush which gives the opposition QB all day. And with the extra LB or DB we are not coming up with any interceptions.
Time to play less non imports and put in a couple guys on the D line which needs help. Why do we need so many non import LBers. What was it last game 9 non imports starting, is it because our IMP players are not good enough than bring in new guys.
We could easily start Woods/Adams but that means sitting Ayers, eho again only had 1 st tackle, hasnt been any better than Ball
4Q2:28 in the EDM@TOR game, 3rd & 1, EDM ball at midfield. They go with a quick hitter short pass. Look what they schemed up, and contrast with our short crap. The REC stems outside but then cuts inside. The DB was cheating up for a possible INT (just like every team does on us) on the stem fake. And he can't recover in time to cover the real route, which was inside.
Simple 2-moves ahead chess. Gets you a critical 1st down.
WHY ARE WE INCAPABLE OF THIS? Nope, just a simple curl for us & DBs easily pick us off. Why are the other teams not brainless?
Our offensive coordinator is WEAK, so our play calling is weak. and it doesn't help that we turn the ball over a ton, but due to our simplistic offense, teams know what we're going to do before we do and jump routes they have no business jumping, but if that's all we run, we get what we deserve. We need a new OC, won't happen this year, and maybe not next as MOS loves 'his guys', but Hogan is clueless compared to Maas and Dinwiddie and they're both OC and HC. Not only are our plays mickey mouse, our protection schemes are useless. If our O line can't pass pro, bring in a heavy package to get the job done, roll our Qb out, but do something for pete's sake vs the same thing over and over again watching our Qb's get killed!!
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:20:12 AMOur offensive coordinator is WEAK, so our play calling is weak. and it doesn't help that we turn the ball over a ton, but due to our simplistic offense, teams know what we're going to do before we do and jump routes they have no business jumping,
Hogan/MOS have said the O is being run by committee, with input from everyone, bottom-up. Ok, great. Whatever.
But if this is the case, and knowing we have some really good football minds in guys like Zach, Demski, Schoen; why aren't those guys saying to Hogan "let's do the stem-fake like EDM did", or let's do X or Y to avoid these dumb INTs. Or "Let's make them pay when they bite on a short route."
Is everyone just content to be mentally challenged and keep losing?
The O being run by committee means your offensive coordinator doesn't know what he's doing, and if you need a committee you shouldn't have hired him. Do you think dinwiddie would let his team be run by committee?? How about Maas?? Lapo?? Connell?? Etc etc Not a chance, those guys know what's going on. We promoted a ball boy and paying big time for it now
Yes, it's very unorthodox. However, MOS tried to deflect once by saying something like "we've always been open to bottom-up ideas". Could just be covering for Hogan, who knows.
One thing is for certain, nothing much is working on O right now, and the "committee" ain't solving the problems.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 03:33:05 AMYa, and even though I skip the Drunk song as soon as it comes up, did I catch a little bit of the next line which has something about puking?!? What the actual...
As for Play Now, at least the name/logo is 100% innocuous to children, they'll just think it means play football now. It's not like they're singing "I wanna go broke gambling right now now now now now".
It's as if Suitor picked out the CFL theme song. ;)
My gawd that man is hard to listen to for a full 60. The amount of useless tripe that spills from his mouth is agonising for a fan to sit through.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 03:10:39 AMKeep in mind MOS is an extremely hands-off captain. He wants to get the right/skilled managers (coords) in place then stand back and let them be the experts at their field. I doubt he has much input in the O play calls and schemes. At most he sets the tone & direction.
It could be Hogan is incompetent. It's not a done deal, yet. But it's starting to trend in that direction. If so, then MOS is in deep doodoo because even though he's hands-off, the buck stops with him, and the losing makes him look bad. Most people don't know these problems are all OC, they just blame MOS.
Now, will MOS step in and be more hands-on until it's fixed? Nothing I know about MOS leads me to believe that. He can change tone & direction, but he won't be micromanaging the O or coming up with schemes.
The only solution would seem to be outside help. Not sure how you do that within the coach cap. And I think Jarious is already giving max input, so he may not be an answer either.
I'd be careful not to confuse delegation of duties with a hands-off approach with actually being incompetent yourself. True leadership isn't delegating your role and responsibilities to others. It's doing your job and setting the example of what excellence looks like so that others can follow your lead. Nothing MOS is doing of late looks like "excellence". Quite the contrary.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:20:12 AMOur offensive coordinator is WEAK, so our play calling is weak. and it doesn't help that we turn the ball over a ton, but due to our simplistic offense, teams know what we're going to do before we do and jump routes they have no business jumping, but if that's all we run, we get what we deserve. We need a new OC, won't happen this year, and maybe not next as MOS loves 'his guys', but Hogan is clueless compared to Maas and Dinwiddie and they're both OC and HC. Not only are our plays mickey mouse, our protection schemes are useless. If our O line can't pass pro, bring in a heavy package to get the job done, roll our Qb out, but do something for pete's sake vs the same thing over and over again watching our Qb's get killed!!
Strev's execution of the plays is "Mickey Mouse", it's not the OC fault if he doesn't have the ability to get beyond page one of the playbook, it's painfully obvious he's not getting any better at reading the field.
I re-watched the Hamilton game, and Strev was clearly bad. But he at times did not have much help. There were a few plays were he had someone in his face almost immediately because someone on the O-line whiffed (including Bryant at least one time). There was at least one play where we kept 7 blockers in, and Hamilton rushed 6. The whole line veered to the left, and blocked 5 D players, leaving a LB to come in uncontested off the right edge and Strev had zero time to pass.
Also some plays where he had time, but did not thrown the ball. Could be he didn't read the field well (usually only looks to his first read, maybe sometimes his second), but just as possible all the receivers were covered. Zach has had this problem frequently as well, unable to find anyone open. This could be on the receivers, could be the OC, most likely both contributing.
We clearly need an upgrade at QB#2, but it may not be much of a solution is we don't fix the other problem areas, with the O-line being priority number one.
Why dont the bombers try a 6 man O front to help the rush on the o line? Hopefully it would give our QB a little more time or 2 running backs one for picking up the rush.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 05:36:41 PMStrev's execution of the plays is "Mickey Mouse", it's not the OC fault if he doesn't have the ability to get beyond page one of the playbook, it's painfully obvious he's not getting any better at reading the field.
Agreed, in fact, with the pick he threw 3 plays into the game, I'd say he's even regressed on his reads. He should have saw the DB up in press ready to jump the short screen pass and pull it down. Nope, throw it anyways.
Quote from: Blue72 on September 14, 2025, 07:35:17 PMWhy dont the bombers try a 6 man O front to help the rush on the o line? Hopefully it would give our QB a little more time or 2 running backs one for picking up the rush.
Because widening the line hasn't helped much. The pressure is coming through the interior that's been hardest. We've left in blockers Oliveira or someone else in the backfield which has occasionally made a difference but it comes at the cost of less receiving options.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 05:36:41 PMStrev's execution of the plays is "Mickey Mouse", it's not the OC fault if he doesn't have the ability to get beyond page one of the playbook, it's painfully obvious he's not getting any better at reading the field.
That would be true if it was just Strev. But Zach has been bitten by the exact same route-jumping and DB cheating. That basically proves the problem is scheme (OC).
Our scheme
is Mickey Mouse because I watch what other teams did this weekend and they get these short passes & routes correct, they do double moves, they show over-the-top threats before curling, they demand respect. Even EDM and OTT!!
Their RECs are no better than ours. In some cases their QBs aren't much better than Strev. The problem is we are plain straight vanilla ball, not using any of our grey matter, and teams just hone in on our QB#1 or #2 limitations.
And we never make them pay. So they'll just keep doing it.
Quote from: Blue72 on September 14, 2025, 07:35:17 PMWhy dont the bombers try a 6 man O front to help the rush on the o line? Hopefully it would give our QB a little more time or 2 running backs one for picking up the rush.
Because then the D just brings another +1. Every jumbo we add they bring another +1. And if our 5 guys can't stop a single point of failure, how on earth are our 6 or 7 guys going to? You just multiply the points of failure! I think that's why we go so much straight 5 this season, except on runs.
Remember in '19 when HAM had this super-ultra jumbo (like 7 to 9 guys!) that NO ONE could penetrate? Ya, I'd like to see something like that. (P.S. HAM didn't run it in the GC, and if they had they probably would have won.)
Bottom line, our normal 5 just have to be better. Start with Vant/Lofton, not Wallace/Rand.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 11:19:45 PMHe should have saw the DB up in press ready to jump the short screen pass and pull it down. Nope, throw it anyways.
Yes he should have, but it's a tough pull-down when you're already in your full-on wind up.
He, and the OC, and everyone in the world thought that was a "high percentage" super short quick hitter that nearly every team gets 99% of the time. For us that's harder to complete than a 40Y bomb. For some reason we know this, but no one in WFC does.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 01:37:10 AMBecause then the D just brings another +1. Every jumbo we add they bring another +1. And if our 5 guys can't stop a single point of failure, how on earth are our 6 or 7 guys going to? You just multiply the points of failure! I think that's why we go so much straight 5 this season, except on runs.
Remember in '19 when HAM had this super-ultra jumbo (like 7 to 9 guys!) that NO ONE could penetrate? Ya, I'd like to see something like that. (P.S. HAM didn't run it in the GC, and if they had they probably would have won.)
Bottom line, our normal 5 just have to be better. Start with Vant/Lofton, not Wallace/Rand.
the thing is if you bring in a 6th olineman they may counter with another, but it throws them off of their normal defensive and can cause disruption. Especially if we ar switching up our schemes.
The answer might be to utilize what Hamilton does, a one or two tight end set. (Clercius is built for it)
We need to do something cause what we are doing ain't working although to be fair I thought our oline did much better last game, it wasnt there fault our qb couldn't complete passes.
Quote from: Pete on September 15, 2025, 01:49:10 AMWe need to do something cause what we are doing ain't working although to be fair I thought our oline did much better last game, it wasnt there fault our qb couldn't complete passes.
Yes, you can disrupt, etc, but not so much if teams are ready for it from film. We have been a heavy user of jumbo & TEs the last 3 seasons, so when we do it it's not too surprising for opponents.
Yes we need to do something. But the OL did screw up on protection vs HAM. So many times Strev had very little time and guys in his face. If the OL seemed to do better, it may be more a function of having to respect our very successful run game that day.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 01:38:51 AMYes he should have, but it's a tough pull-down when you're already in your full-on wind up.
He, and the OC, and everyone in the world thought that was a "high percentage" super short quick hitter that nearly every team gets 99% of the time. For us that's harder to complete than a 40Y bomb. For some reason we know this, but no one in WFC does.
I think one of the reasons he was able to jump that so well is that they were showing very little respect for any risk of our receivers going long, and pressing them close to the line of scrimmage. They would likely not have been able to play that kind of defense against Zach. I also think Zach would have processed where the DB was more quickly, and not necessarily thrown that pass. (Although to be fair, Zach has thrown a fair share of interceptions where I'm going "WTH" was he thinking?".
Quote from: bunker on September 15, 2025, 02:09:23 AMI think one of the reasons he was able to jump that so well is that they were showing very little respect for any risk of our receivers going long, and pressing them close to the line of scrimmage. They would likely not have been able to play that kind of defense against Zach. I also think Zach would have processed where the DB was more quickly, and not necessarily thrown that pass. (Although to be fair, Zach has thrown a fair share of interceptions where I'm going "WTH" was he thinking?".
Yes and no. Yes, they jumped everything because they KNEW we weren't chucking it deep. That's a major problem.
Yes, Zach gives that deep(er) thread, but Zach has also thrown those short-pass / wide-out INTs a ton this season. And that's a function of being way too vanilla and way too predictable. It's like they KNOW Demski there is going to curl instead of double-move deep. We are too simple and clearly have too many "tells".
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 01:38:51 AMYes he should have, but it's a tough pull-down when you're already in your full-on wind up.
He, and the OC, and everyone in the world thought that was a "high percentage" super short quick hitter that nearly every team gets 99% of the time. For us that's harder to complete than a 40Y bomb. For some reason we know this, but no one in WFC does.
When you go to throw the hitch screen, and the defending DB is further in your backfield than your receiver, common sense says pull the ball down. Peters was ridiculously downfield, in fact he was too far downfield and had to reach back to catch the ball!!
Defenses are jumping routes because the pass rush is getting home and has been all year. The hitch screen read is just film study on Streveler, but otherwise, it comes to down to pass rush.
It's significantly easier to have an aggressive secondary if you get to the quarterback. Collaros can mitigate it somewhat because he's just that good, but it's still playing with fire.
It's also why our secondary hasn't been able to create interceptions like they used to. We have to respect every double and triple move. The clock in the heads of our secondary is way too long to play aggressively. They simply can't.
Quote from: dd on September 15, 2025, 02:16:03 AMWhen you go to throw the hitch screen, and the defending DB is further in your backfield than your receiver, common sense says pull the ball down. Peters was ridiculously downfield, in fact he was too far downfield and had to reach back to catch the ball!!
I meant the Demski curl INT, but the same issues exist with the Peters screen too. That one was a complete mess, as no way our 2 RECs should have been
touching. And the blocker needs to actually make the block. Was it behind LoS? Hold that guy all to heck, don't let him run past.
And the RECs need to have some situational awareness. Like never every INT this season, if the REC just comes back to the ball they get the completion or force DPI. Especially in this screen breakdown shambles.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 02:20:08 AMI meant the Demski curl INT, but the same issues exist with the Peters screen too. That one was a complete mess, as no way our 2 RECs should have been touching. And the blocker needs to actually make the block. Was it behind LoS? Hold that guy all to heck, don't let him run past.
And the RECs need to have some situational awareness. Like never every INT this season, if the REC just comes back to the ball they get the completion or force DPI. Especially in this screen breakdown shambles.
On the peters interception the reason that the receivers were so close was that Wilsons responsibility was to block the defender, obviously he didn't do that, although given how far Peters has jumped the play it may not have been his fault. But having seen that why didnt we do a planned pump fake in subsequent plays? It would sure deter other db plays even if we dont complete it
as far as 6 man fronts go we havent used it much this year maybe cause we are going with one less olineman. Just watch hamilton games to see how effective they are in protecting blm
Quote from: Pete on September 15, 2025, 02:27:58 AMOn the peters interception the reason that the receivers were so close was that Wilsons responsibility was to block the defender, obviously he didn't do that, although given how far Peters has jumped the play it may not have been his fault.
But if a behind-LoS pass then Pokey should have been dashing downfield to catch & block/hold Peters 5Y past LoS, not back behind LoS right next to Wheatie! Even if Peters wants to jump, someone should have been in his face holding him from going around. You know, as we see all the other great screen teams like MTL and SSK do
all the time.
And even if you don't go downfield and just wait for Peters, when he's running right past you, shift over to intercept instead of pylon'ing it. You're allowed to totally block that guy and blow him up if you're between him and the dead ball line / REC.
The execution on this screen was laughable. And maybe it's because Pokey's so "new" with rejoining the team. Maybe calling it on his side wasn't such a good idea.