I was at a pool party missed some of the finer details of the game
People said Schoen had a limp
I seen Ball do down, not sure if he came back
Who did I miss?
Schoen was my fave player. Clearly, he has not recovered. He hurt himself on the convert, without any contact. The knee ligament was never ready, and on that play, it was clear something was injured in the knee. His speed? Seemed very slow or was never present for this game. He seemed injured.
Schmekel was injured as well.
Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 09:10:33 PMSchoen was my fave player. Clearly, he has not recovered. He hurt himself on the convert, without any contact. The knee ligament was never ready, and on that play, it was clear something was injured in the knee. His speed? Seemed very slow or was never present for this game. He seemed injured.
It was tough to watch, doubt we see him again.
Who is Ball
Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 11:54:28 PMWho is Ball
3 string safety rookie 2025 draft pick
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 09:37:07 PMSchmekel was injured as well.
What what the nature and seriousness of it?
Quote from: Strevy on September 01, 2025, 09:38:21 PMIt was tough to watch, doubt we see him again.
50 to 1 odds we do
Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 09:10:33 PMSchoen was my fave player. Clearly, he has not recovered. He hurt himself on the convert, without any contact. The knee ligament was never ready, and on that play, it was clear something was injured in the knee. His speed? Seemed very slow or was never present for this game. He seemed injured.
I thought about Schoen's injury all night and I think you may be right. The key points that maybe were missed:
1) Non-contact
2) Seemed to strike when he was trying to slow down to sit for the ball
Especially the #2 point is Really A Bad Thing, given his history.
I'll be optimistic, but this isn't looking good.
Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 11:54:28 PMWho is Ball
LOL. He's probably the lowest (highest?) NAT STer-only on the totem pole.
He's the son of Ballsy, the infamous SSK radio play by play guy that got poop-canned a couple of years back.
Schmekel moved to 6 game IR. Unfortunate and that means he probably if finished for 2025. We'll see today whether they bring Kornelson back or whether this means we need to use an import DT from the PR.
Kornelson isnt even a pr player, just ading a body isnt going to help but we do need adams/woods.how we manage roster will be interesting
Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 01:50:14 PMKornelson isnt even a pr player, just ading a body isnt going to help but we do need adams/woods.how we manage roster will be interesting
I don't disagree but Adams and Woods were both demoted to the PR and have 1 foot out the door. I don't like the alternatives.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 01:59:17 PMI don't disagree but Adams and Woods were both demoted to the PR and have 1 foot out the door. I don't like the alternatives.
Adams and Woods don't have one foot out the door imo and will be next man up now that we have injuries
I would also bring Kornelson back if a better alternative doesn't present itself
Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 01:50:14 PMKornelson isnt even a pr player, just ading a body isnt going to help but we do need adams/woods.how we manage roster will be interesting
The roster management will be horrid as usual.
Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 02:51:05 PMThe roster management will be horrid as usual.
Not sure the agenda, but you are terribly wrong.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 02:10:07 PMAdams and Woods don't have one foot out the door imo and will be next man up now that we have injuries
I would also bring Kornelson back if a better alternative doesn't present itself
What else do you call being bumped to the PR when our DL has not bee good for over a year?
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 03:07:37 PMNot sure the agenda, but you are terribly wrong.
No agenda, just my opinion . Wonder who will be the nationized American this week. Any guesses....? Who was it last week?
Lot's of players on 1 game and 6 game IR that may be part of the mix this week. One key question is whether Kramdi can play because he's a ratio changer. Alternatively Makonzo can also play as a SAM.
If either of those players are added, then it's a domino effect on other changes potentially.
Could use Hallett back after probably losing Ball. Novak has missed 6 games now on 6 game IR but have heard nothing about him being able to practice. More likely he may be out for the rest of the season. ST's are taking a hit with so many injuries.
Everyone is probably waiting to hear about Schoen. The good news is that he didn't get placed on 6 game IR today but he could still end up on 1 game IR this week. This creates a series of possible movement with receivers added and moved in the lineup.
Wouldn't be surprised if Ball also ends up on 6 game IR. That means our depth is getting thin and we may need to airlift some players to the PR, depending on whether anyone comes of the 1 game IR.
Peterson and Vibert are the only Canadians on our PR at the moment.
All this in a short week.
I just re-watched the 2 point convert to see what happened to Schoen. I still don't know. Didn't look like any contact but he came down and had problems with his left leg.
He may not practice today but that may be more slight of hand delaying a bad outcome. That never makes any sense to me. We 6 game IR'd Schmekel already. If Schoen is out, he's out.
On another note I wonder if Vibert has had or is getting any reps on the DL. He's a big guy. It's not unusual to see lineman on both sides of the ball. He's the only Canadian that might fill the bill to get some reps. Seems unlikely but a question.
Hmmmm. Eli as a depth DL. same size as Schmekel. Along with some 3 man fronts and 3 DE's in 4 man fronts is that an option? Our DT's are more fill the gap than get to the QB.
Just tossing out thoughts since our depth is depleted.
The other choices are Woods or Adams.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 04:24:36 PMI just re-watched the 2 point convert to see what happened to Schoen. I still don't know. Didn't look like any contact but he came down and had problems with his left leg.
He may not practice today but that may be more slight of hand delaying a bad outcome. That never makes any sense to me. We 6 game IR'd Schmekel already. If Schoen is out, he's out.
On another note I wonder if Vibert has had or is getting any reps on the DL. He's a big guy. It's not unusual to see lineman on both sides of the ball. He's the only Canadian that might fill the bill to get some reps. Seems unlikely but a question.
Hmmmm. Eli as a depth DL. same size as Schmekel. Along with some 3 man fronts and 3 DE's in 4 man fronts is that an option? Our DT's are more fill the gap than get to the QB.
Just tossing out thoughts since our depth is depleted.
The other choices are Woods or Adams.
I vote for the last option, if they wanted to get rid of them they would have cut them, I believe it has something to do with roster, ratio and injury management were they are unable to get them on the field but don't want to lose them. Seems cruel, but I can't pretend to understand their thinking this season. I blame Ed Tait for knowing everything and sharing nothing as an embedded reporter.
Could nationalize Willie J and not have to worry about playing another national on the line. He can play 25 reps and keep fresh.
That would make sense, bet we don't though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 03:24:21 PMWhat else do you call being bumped to the PR when our DL has not bee good for over a year?
Adams and Woods don't have one foot out the door imo
DL has been average imo
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 03:07:37 PMNot sure the agenda, but you are terribly wrong.
The agenda , masquerading as "an opinion" is that everything the Bombers do, is bad. The players suck, O shea is a bad coach and should be fired today, walters is an idiot, and the scouts can't find anything.
Stadium is probably *****, but we haven't seen that (yet)
Oh yeah good ole RoStEr mAnAgEmEnt. Can never go wrong with that one 😂
Out of ten posts by this person, you might find one that makes sense. Doubt it though.
Not really very good at trolling it's far too obvious, and outright silly, to be annoying in any way.
Which is good cause Based on previous experience they, are here for the duration.
Edit.... Maybe somebody, even a fringe former player, who thinks he was slighted by the team. Sure seems quite personal, and spiteful.
Reminds me a lot of a poster at the mbb forum who basically turned it into a hate the Bombers forum. Celebrating losses.
I hope he doesn't manage to do that here.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 04:53:29 PMI vote for the last option, if they wanted to get rid of them they would have cut them, I believe it has something to do with roster, ratio and injury management were they are unable to get them on the field but don't want to lose them. Seems cruel, but I can't pretend to understand their thinking this season. I blame Ed Tait for knowing everything and sharing nothing as an embedded reporter.
They could have kept either one on the 1 game IR. A player is released in order to be added to the PR. Ratio management sure, but there are a number of choices to be made each week.
We need a practice report to see who is getting 1st team reps.
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?utm_source=winnipeg-bluebombers
Interview with Schoen yesterday after the game. No mention of any problems with the leg...? cause for hope
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 07:13:12 PMThey could have kept either one on the 1 game IR. A player is released in order to be added to the PR. Ratio management sure, but there are a number of choices to be made each week.
We need a practice report to see who is getting 1st team reps.
Quote from: bunker on September 02, 2025, 07:14:03 PMhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?utm_source=winnipeg-bluebombers
Interview with Schoen yesterday after the game. No mention of any problems with the leg...? cause for hope
I am also questioning whether he is injured or not. Tomorrows practice will tell us a lot.
John Hodge was on Winnipeg Sports Talk today also with Hustler, and the issue of a Schoen injury never came up, for what that's worth.
Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 02:51:05 PMThe roster management will be horrid as usual.
Nope your heavy bias / negativity will be the only certainty.
Quote from: markf on September 02, 2025, 07:10:31 PMThe agenda , masquerading as "an opinion" is that everything the Bombers do, is bad. The players suck, O shea is a bad coach and should be fired today, walters is an idiot, and the scouts can't find anything.
Stadium is probably *****, but we haven't seen that (yet)
Oh yeah good ole RoStEr mAnAgEmEnt. Can never go wrong with that one 😂
Out of ten posts by this person, you might find one that makes sense. Doubt it though.
Not really very good at trolling it's far too obvious, and outright silly, to be annoying in any way.
Which is good cause Based on previous experience they, are here for the duration.
Yup bang on, nice post, I can't go off on here like I want to as I'm trying to play nice,thanks for doing it for me
1 in 100 maybe lol
Quote from: bunker on September 02, 2025, 07:14:03 PMhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?utm_source=winnipeg-bluebombers
Interview with Schoen yesterday after the game. No mention of any problems with the leg...? cause for hope
Classy guy. In the interview :
Schoen was the target again on the two-point convert attempt that could have forced overtime...
"I could tell I wasn't going to get there on time," Schoen said. Not only was he open and on time, he had to wait.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 08:03:51 PMNope your heavy bias / negativity will be the only certainty.
Can you fill me in on who the Nationaized American was last game? Can't seem to find it. Surely we used one.....Who wouldn't. Right?
Quote from: Waffler on September 02, 2025, 08:08:59 PMClassy guy. In the interview :
Schoen was the target again on the two-point convert attempt that could have forced overtime...
"I could tell I wasn't going to get there on time," Schoen said.
Not only was he open and on time, he had to wait.
With the skills he demonstrated in the LDC Clercius should now be included in the receivers Zach trusts to make big plays at critical times, he's a solid possession receiver that has the physicality to win fights against smaller DB's for the ball. Plus it would help alleviate the stress on Schoen as he recovers, I like the passes he catches near the turf as opposed to him leaping on a wonky knee to make a difficult reception. Zach has to take care of the guys he relies on or he will end up without his best weapons.
Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 08:17:15 PMCan you fill me in on who the Nationaized American was last game? Can't seem to find it. Surely we used one.....Who wouldn't. Right?
LOL. You so funny.
If you don't use a nationalized American, you can earn an extra draft pick, which we have every year.
2024 it was Kyle Sampson DL, who we traded to Hamilton for Peterson.
2025 it was a guy name Elgersma.
We don't tend to have an issue with staring Nats, so why bother with it? Who doesn't like free draft picks?
Why haven't we heard about any injury status from today?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 09:52:26 PMWhy haven't we heard about any injury status from today?
No practice today? Maybe hear something on the coaches show but I wouldn't count on it.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 08:43:02 PMLOL. You so funny.
If you don't use a nationalized American, you can earn an extra draft pick, which we have every year.
2024 it was Kyle Sampson DL, who we traded to Hamilton for Peterson.
2025 it was a guy name Elgersma.
We don't tend to have an issue with staring Nats, so why bother with it? Who doesn't like free draft picks?
So losing important football games for extra picks on a GC hosting year? No team could be that bad at roster management, can they? That doesn't seem very smart now does it? Going all in would be the smart move one would think.
How many snaps did Elgersma and Petersen take in the LDC? Can't seem to find it? Just need a little more convincing of the impact they made on Sunday, it was such an important game, surely they were used well!
I don't know what the deal is with Adam's, he has been the only one who can get a decent push at DT yet he's demoted to the PR while JT gets reps?? I know we have ratio issues , so instead of having a NAT be our safety and suck we ll put a NAT as our DT and he will suck but it won't lead to any explosion plays or TDs,but our run defense will just suck.i get it now
Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 10:45:45 PMSo losing important football games for extra picks on a GC hosting year? No team could be that bad at roster management, can they? That doesn't seem very smart now does it? Going all in would be the smart move one would think.
How many snaps did Elgersma and Petersen take in the LDC? Can't seem to find it? Just need a little more convincing of the impact they made on Sunday, it was such an important game, surely they were used well!
Another one that I and few others will agree with imo
Those picks will pay off
Patience will pay off
Roster management has been fine and will continue to be solid as long as this group stays together
Canadian depth is key to winning cups
Forest through the trees?
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 11:27:13 PMAnother one that I and few others will agree with imo
Those picks will pay off
Patience will pay off
Roster management has been fine and will continue to be solid as long as this group stays together
Canadian depth is key to winning cups
Forest through the trees?
In a GC hosting year? Worried about a single player for 2029 lol. Terrible approach, absolute horrid roster management if that is the case.
Take the year off and forget the pick. Go all in to win. They can have another 9 picks before the next home GC. Dumb move if that is the reason.
Pretty sure most people would want to host the WF followed by being in the Big Game.
I do think we're a bit stubborn and possibly a little bit arrogant to not use the roster rules for greater flexibility. It makes total sense to do so especially on defense where there is a lot of packages and rotations (and we don't have a lot of national depth). Even just designating an American and Canadian on that side of the ball (without actually making the substitution) is a good idea in case they go down and we want to get 25 snaps out of someone.
Another use case would be Logan and Oliveira. Then Logan could come in for Oliveira with and we could keep in all our starting American receivers too.
Whatever you want to say about it we're 6-5 this year and we should probably get with the times. Keep up or die.
Quote from: dd on September 02, 2025, 11:20:21 PMI don't know what the deal is with Adam's, he has been the only one who can get a decent push at DT yet he's demoted to the PR while JT gets reps?? I know we have ratio issues , so instead of having a NAT be our safety and suck we ll put a NAT as our DT and he will suck but it won't lead to any explosion plays or TDs, but our run defense will just suck.i get it now
I have no problem with Allen at safety, when you saw how we were getting burnt with kelly there its been a vast improvement not just in coverage but in making recievers pay for going into the middle.
Our ratio issues are as weve discussed have an import that specialized in kickoff coverage rather than an additional lineman. On labor day game we finished with only 5 dl
Quote from: Pete on Today at 01:09:24 AMI have no problem with Allen at safety, when you saw how we were getting burnt with kelly there its been a vast improvement not just in coverage but in making recievers pay for going into the middle.
Our ratio issues are as weve discussed have an import that specialized in kickoff coverage rather than an additional lineman. On labor day game we finished with only 5 dl
I get why Allen's at safey--because NAT Kelly sucked!! So rather than have your safety suck and cost you big time, we've chosen to take Adams out and replace with Lawson/Thomas, a downgrade in talent, but necessary due to ratio.
Is it time for the Bombers to trade for a legitimate Canadian safety, and or a DL.
Well, it sounds like DS83 is okay after all. That's good news.
Quote from: Pigskin on Today at 03:24:24 AMIs it time for the Bombers to trade for a legitimate Canadian safety, and or a DL.
Parker will likely slot back in FS. Or Allen really steps up (or he's off to the PR until '26). Not many legit NAT FSs, especially ones that would be up for trade. We can only dream about a Dequoy...
Besides, with our setup, FS doesn't have to be NAT. So widen the search to include IMPs. However, our FS often is the "QB of the DBs", so maybe knows-the-system Parker is still the best option.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 12:29:55 AMI do think we're a bit stubborn and possibly a little bit arrogant to not use the roster rules for greater flexibility. It makes total sense to do so especially on defense where there is a lot of packages and rotations (and we don't have a lot of national depth).
Totally agree. However, there are 2-3 other teams that don't often (or ever) use the DNA/DNS cheat codes either, at least on 1 side of the ball.
Well... assuming your IMP depth is better than your NATs! In our case there really is no "the IMPs always better" situation. That said, if we got some mega-stout IMP DTs, THEN it would really pay to DNA one and "start" Fatboi then give 25 to the monster IMP.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 12:29:55 AMEven just designating an American and Canadian on that side of the ball (without actually making the substitution) is a good idea in case they go down and we want to get 25 snaps out of someone.
I'm pretty sure we ARE designating the DNA/DNS. The rules as written say you
MUST designate on both sides of the ball. As Junkie has told us, there is the chart us plebes see, and then the chart/roster/whatever as provided to the CFL. Which neither CFL nor WFC publishes because it's SUPER CEREAL TRADE SECRETS WORTH MORE THAN THE COCA COLA FORMULA and we aren't worthy to lick their boots to be privy to who the DIs and DNA is that week. Now everyone shut up and go enjoy your plain depth chart without all the extra ()'s and []'s.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 08:43:02 PMIf you don't use a nationalized American, you can earn an extra draft pick, which we have every year.
Don't get confused you guys. NA (Nationalized American) and DNA (Designated NA) are 2 separate things.
Every team by rule starts that 8th NA (NA or 8th NAT). Every team designates this. Many/most don't put it on their chart. No one cares because every single team has a slew of vets IMPs that qualify so it's really just a no-op.
DNA/DNS is the 25-snap thing for which we get the extra draft pick. Yes, WFC never uses DNA (though they probably specify on the CFL-eyes-only chart).
Quote from: Waffler on September 02, 2025, 08:08:59 PM"I could tell I wasn't going to get there on time," Schoen said. [/i]
Not only was he open and on time, he had to wait.
Maybe he meant for the tackle on the INTer? Or maybe he meant on a come-forward attempt (which would have helped draw DPI)?
Or maybe he's trying to cover for his QB? We all can see that he was early to the spot, not late.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 04:24:36 PMOn another note I wonder if Vibert has had or is getting any reps on the DL. He's a big guy. It's not unusual to see lineman on both sides of the ball. He's the only Canadian that might fill the bill to get some reps. Seems unlikely but a question.
Hmmmm. Eli as a depth DL. same size as Schmekel. Along with some 3 man fronts and 3 DE's in 4 man fronts is that an option? Our DT's are more fill the gap than get to the QB.
As people said in another thread, OL->DT is not the easy transition you'd think it would be ("just be fat but not too slow"). DTs need more stamina. That's why they are always spelling and you (should) dress 4 for 2 spots.
Now, moving DL to OT is easier because there it really is "are you fat and have done this before"? The difference is DTs usually aren't as tall, or as fat. Not to minimize OL skill set, because a DT subbing in usually doesn't turn out so hot.
Now, what we should be talking about is if Schmekel is gone, and if we aren't thrilled with our IMP DT roster, maybe this is the much-needed impetus to go score a game-changing DT somehow? And I mean now, not FA.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 03:39:43 PMCould use Hallett back after probably losing Ball
How long can you possibly be out with a poke or marbles to the eye?? Maybe we just wanted an excuse to see more of Ball? Hallett is far preferable to any rookie STer, except maybe Shay, IMHO.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 06:10:54 AMMaybe he meant for the tackle on the INTer? Or maybe he meant on a come-forward attempt (which would have helped draw DPI)?
Or maybe he's trying to cover for his QB? We all can see that he was early to the spot, not late.
I just saw it as protecting his QB from blame.
Quote from: Pigskin on Today at 04:10:59 AMWell, it sounds like DS83 is okay after all. That's good news.
Ok as he is going to be. I would still dress Cobb just in case.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 06:10:54 AMOr maybe he's trying to cover for his QB? We all can see that he was early to the spot, not late.
The reason I say he was protecting his QB is because Collaros used to make that throw. Schoen was open and it was an easy completion, or it should have been. I posted these separately in other threads but I am putting both here so you can see how he used to throw to that same spot from about the 11 yard line in 2022 compared to 2025.
2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.
https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235
2025: Rainbow, ball hangs up too long. Receiver has to wait.
https://youtu.be/nlW-yP1lNUQ?t=592
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 06:15:04 AMAs people said in another thread, OL->DT is not the easy transition you'd think it would be ("just be fat but not too slow"). DTs need more stamina. That's why they are always spelling and you (should) dress 4 for 2 spots.
Now, moving DL to OT is easier because there it really is "are you fat and have done this before"? The difference is DTs usually aren't as tall, or as fat. Not to minimize OL skill set, because a DT subbing in usually doesn't turn out so hot.
Now, what we should be talking about is if Schmekel is gone, and if we aren't thrilled with our IMP DT roster, maybe this is the much-needed impetus to go score a game-changing DT somehow? And I mean now, not FA.
We know that but it's not that uncommon either. It could be something used a few times just give the others a rest. It can take years for an OL to develop into a starter.
Quote from: Waffler on Today at 12:43:04 PMThe reason I say he was protecting his QB is because Collaros used to make that throw. Schoen was open and it was an easy completion, or it should have been. I posted these separately in other threads but I am putting both here so you can see how he used to throw to that same spot from about the 11 yard line in 2022 compared to 2025.
2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.
https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235
2025: Rainbow, ball hangs up too long. Receiver has to wait.
https://youtu.be/nlW-yP1lNUQ?t=592
Definitely thrown a 1/2 second late. The other difference is that the DB broke much earlier and quicker to the ball in 2025.
Quote from: Waffler on Today at 12:43:04 PMThe reason I say he was protecting his QB is because Collaros used to make that throw. Schoen was open and it was an easy completion, or it should have been. I posted these separately in other threads but I am putting both here so you can see how he used to throw to that same spot from about the 11 yard line in 2022 compared to 2025.
2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.
https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235
2025: Rainbow, ball hangs up too long. Receiver has to wait.
https://youtu.be/nlW-yP1lNUQ?t=592
You don't have to reach back to 2022, go back 2 weeks to the Als game and Demski's TD at 2:10 in the video below, that is how the play should have been executed.