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I was at a pool party missed some of the finer details of the game

People said Schoen had a limp
I seen Ball do down, not sure if he came back

Who did I miss?

Schoen was my fave player.  Clearly, he has not recovered. He hurt himself on the convert, without any contact. The knee ligament was never ready, and on that play, it was clear something was injured in the knee.  His speed? Seemed very slow or was never present for this game. He seemed injured.

Schmekel was injured as well.

Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 09:10:33 PMSchoen was my fave player.  Clearly, he has not recovered. He hurt himself on the convert, without any contact. The knee ligament was never ready, and on that play, it was clear something was injured in the knee.  His speed? Seemed very slow or was never present for this game. He seemed injured.

It was tough to watch, doubt we see him again.

Who is Ball

Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 11:54:28 PMWho is Ball

3 string safety rookie 2025 draft pick

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 09:37:07 PMSchmekel was injured as well.

What what the nature and seriousness of it?

Quote from: Strevy on September 01, 2025, 09:38:21 PMIt was tough to watch, doubt we see him again.

50 to 1 odds we do

Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 09:10:33 PMSchoen was my fave player.  Clearly, he has not recovered. He hurt himself on the convert, without any contact. The knee ligament was never ready, and on that play, it was clear something was injured in the knee.  His speed? Seemed very slow or was never present for this game. He seemed injured.

I thought about Schoen's injury all night and I think you may be right.  The key points that maybe were missed:

1) Non-contact
2) Seemed to strike when he was trying to slow down to sit for the ball

Especially the #2 point is Really A Bad Thing, given his history.

I'll be optimistic, but this isn't looking good.

Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 11:54:28 PMWho is Ball

LOL.  He's probably the lowest (highest?) NAT STer-only on the totem pole.

He's the son of Ballsy, the infamous SSK radio play by play guy that got poop-canned a couple of years back.

Schmekel moved to 6 game IR. Unfortunate and that means he probably if finished for 2025. We'll see today whether they bring Kornelson back or whether this means we need to use an import DT from the PR.

Kornelson isnt even a pr player, just ading a body isnt going to help but we do need adams/woods.how we manage roster will be interesting

Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 01:50:14 PMKornelson isnt even a pr player, just ading a body isnt going to help but we do need adams/woods.how we manage roster will be interesting

I don't disagree but Adams and Woods were both demoted to the PR and have 1 foot out the door. I don't like the alternatives.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 01:59:17 PMI don't disagree but Adams and Woods were both demoted to the PR and have 1 foot out the door. I don't like the alternatives.

Adams and Woods don't have one foot out the door imo and will be next man up now that we have injuries

I would also bring Kornelson back if a better alternative doesn't present itself

Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 01:50:14 PMKornelson isnt even a pr player, just ading a body isnt going to help but we do need adams/woods.how we manage roster will be interesting

The roster management will be horrid as usual.

Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 02:51:05 PMThe roster management will be horrid as usual.

Not sure the agenda, but you are terribly wrong.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 02:10:07 PMAdams and Woods don't have one foot out the door imo and will be next man up now that we have injuries

I would also bring Kornelson back if a better alternative doesn't present itself

What else do you call being bumped to the PR when our DL has not bee good for over a year?

Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 03:07:37 PMNot sure the agenda, but you are terribly wrong.

No agenda, just my opinion . Wonder who will be the nationized American this week.  Any guesses....?  Who was it last week?

Lot's of players on 1 game and 6 game IR that may be part of the mix this week. One key question is whether Kramdi can play because he's a ratio changer. Alternatively Makonzo can also play as a SAM.

If either of those players are added, then it's a domino effect on other changes potentially.

Could use Hallett back after probably losing Ball. Novak has missed 6 games now on 6 game IR but have heard nothing about him being able to practice. More likely he may be out for the rest of the season. ST's are taking a hit with so many injuries.

Everyone is probably waiting to hear about Schoen. The good news is that he didn't get placed on 6 game IR today but he could still end up on 1 game IR this week. This creates a series of possible movement with receivers added and moved in the lineup.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ball also ends up on 6 game IR. That means our depth is getting thin and we may need to airlift some players to the PR, depending on whether anyone comes of the 1 game IR.

Peterson and Vibert are the only Canadians on our PR at the moment.

All this in a short week.

I just re-watched the 2 point convert to see what happened to Schoen. I still don't know. Didn't look like any contact but he came down and had problems with his left leg.

He may not practice today but that may be more slight of hand delaying a bad outcome. That never makes any sense to me. We 6 game IR'd Schmekel already. If Schoen is out, he's out.

On another note I wonder if Vibert has had or is getting any reps on the DL. He's a big guy. It's not unusual to see lineman on both sides of the ball. He's the only Canadian that might fill the bill to get some reps. Seems unlikely but a question.

Hmmmm. Eli as a depth DL. same size as Schmekel. Along with some 3 man fronts and 3 DE's in 4 man fronts is that an option? Our DT's are more fill the gap than get to the QB.

Just tossing out thoughts since our depth is depleted.

The other choices are Woods or Adams.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 04:24:36 PMI just re-watched the 2 point convert to see what happened to Schoen. I still don't know. Didn't look like any contact but he came down and had problems with his left leg.

He may not practice today but that may be more slight of hand delaying a bad outcome. That never makes any sense to me. We 6 game IR'd Schmekel already. If Schoen is out, he's out.

On another note I wonder if Vibert has had or is getting any reps on the DL. He's a big guy. It's not unusual to see lineman on both sides of the ball. He's the only Canadian that might fill the bill to get some reps. Seems unlikely but a question.

Hmmmm. Eli as a depth DL. same size as Schmekel. Along with some 3 man fronts and 3 DE's in 4 man fronts is that an option? Our DT's are more fill the gap than get to the QB.

Just tossing out thoughts since our depth is depleted.

The other choices are Woods or Adams.

I vote for the last option, if they wanted to get rid of them they would have cut them, I believe it has something to do with roster, ratio and injury management were they are unable to get them on the field but don't want to lose them.  Seems cruel, but I can't pretend to understand their thinking this season.  I blame Ed Tait for knowing everything and sharing nothing as an embedded reporter.

Could nationalize Willie J and not have to worry about playing another national on the line.  He can play 25 reps and keep fresh.

That would make sense, bet we don't though.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 03:24:21 PMWhat else do you call being bumped to the PR when our DL has not bee good for over a year?

Adams and Woods don't have one foot out the door imo

DL has been average imo

Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 03:07:37 PMNot sure the agenda, but you are terribly wrong.

The agenda , masquerading as "an opinion" is that everything the Bombers do, is bad. The players suck, O shea is a bad coach and should be fired today, walters  is an idiot, and the scouts can't find anything.
Stadium is probably *****, but we haven't seen that (yet)

Oh yeah good ole RoStEr mAnAgEmEnt.  Can never go wrong with that one 😂

Out of ten posts by this person, you might find one that makes sense. Doubt it though.


Not really very good at trolling it's far too obvious, and outright silly, to be annoying in any way.

Which is good cause Based on previous experience they, are here for the duration.

Edit.... Maybe somebody, even a fringe former player, who thinks he was slighted by the team. Sure seems quite personal, and spiteful.

Reminds me a lot of a poster at the mbb forum who basically turned it into a hate the Bombers forum. Celebrating losses.

I hope he doesn't manage to do that here.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 04:53:29 PMI vote for the last option, if they wanted to get rid of them they would have cut them, I believe it has something to do with roster, ratio and injury management were they are unable to get them on the field but don't want to lose them.  Seems cruel, but I can't pretend to understand their thinking this season.  I blame Ed Tait for knowing everything and sharing nothing as an embedded reporter.

They could have kept either one on the 1 game IR. A player is released in order to be added to the PR. Ratio management sure, but there are a number of choices to be made each week.

We need a practice report to see who is getting 1st team reps.

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?utm_source=winnipeg-bluebombers

Interview with Schoen yesterday after the game. No mention of any problems with the leg...? cause for hope

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 07:13:12 PMThey could have kept either one on the 1 game IR. A player is released in order to be added to the PR. Ratio management sure, but there are a number of choices to be made each week.

We need a practice report to see who is getting 1st team reps.

Quote from: bunker on September 02, 2025, 07:14:03 PMhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?utm_source=winnipeg-bluebombers

Interview with Schoen yesterday after the game. No mention of any problems with the leg...? cause for hope

I am also questioning whether he is injured or not. Tomorrows practice will tell us a lot.

John Hodge was on Winnipeg Sports Talk today also with Hustler, and the issue of a Schoen injury never came up, for what that's worth.

Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 02:51:05 PMThe roster management will be horrid as usual.

Nope your heavy bias / negativity will be the only certainty.

Quote from: markf on September 02, 2025, 07:10:31 PMThe agenda , masquerading as "an opinion" is that everything the Bombers do, is bad. The players suck, O shea is a bad coach and should be fired today, walters  is an idiot, and the scouts can't find anything.
Stadium is probably *****, but we haven't seen that (yet)

Oh yeah good ole RoStEr mAnAgEmEnt.  Can never go wrong with that one 😂

Out of ten posts by this person, you might find one that makes sense. Doubt it though.

Not really very good at trolling it's far too obvious, and outright silly, to be annoying in any way.

Which is good cause Based on previous experience they, are here for the duration.

Yup bang on, nice post, I can't go off on here like I want to as I'm trying to play nice,thanks for doing it for me
 1 in 100 maybe lol

Quote from: bunker on September 02, 2025, 07:14:03 PMhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?utm_source=winnipeg-bluebombers

Interview with Schoen yesterday after the game. No mention of any problems with the leg...? cause for hope

Classy guy.  In the interview :

Schoen was the target again on the two-point convert attempt that could have forced overtime...

"I could tell I wasn't going to get there on time," Schoen said.

Not only was he open and on time, he had to wait.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 08:03:51 PMNope your heavy bias / negativity will be the only certainty.

Can you fill me in on who the Nationaized American was last game?  Can't seem to find it.  Surely we used one.....Who wouldn't.  Right?

Quote from: Waffler on September 02, 2025, 08:08:59 PMClassy guy.  In the interview :

Schoen was the target again on the two-point convert attempt that could have forced overtime...

"I could tell I wasn't going to get there on time," Schoen said.

Not only was he open and on time, he had to wait.

With the skills he demonstrated  in the LDC Clercius should now be included in the receivers Zach trusts to make big plays at critical times, he's a solid possession receiver that has the physicality to win fights against smaller DB's for the ball.  Plus it would help alleviate the stress on Schoen as he recovers, I like the passes he catches near the turf as opposed to him leaping on a wonky knee to make a difficult reception. Zach has to take care of the guys he relies on or he will end up without his best weapons.

Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 08:17:15 PMCan you fill me in on who the Nationaized American was last game?  Can't seem to find it.  Surely we used one.....Who wouldn't.  Right?

LOL.  You so funny.

If you don't use a nationalized American, you can earn an extra draft pick, which we have every year.

2024 it was Kyle Sampson DL, who we traded to Hamilton for Peterson.

2025 it was a guy name Elgersma.

We don't tend to have an issue with staring Nats, so why bother with it?  Who doesn't like free draft picks?

Why haven't we heard about any injury status from today?

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 09:52:26 PMWhy haven't we heard about any injury status from today?

No practice today? Maybe hear something on the coaches show but I wouldn't count on it.

Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 08:43:02 PMLOL.  You so funny.

If you don't use a nationalized American, you can earn an extra draft pick, which we have every year.

2024 it was Kyle Sampson DL, who we traded to Hamilton for Peterson.

2025 it was a guy name Elgersma.

We don't tend to have an issue with staring Nats, so why bother with it?  Who doesn't like free draft picks?

So losing important football games for extra picks on a GC hosting year?  No team could be that bad at roster management, can they? That doesn't seem very smart now does it?  Going all in would be the smart move one would think.

How many snaps did Elgersma and Petersen take in the LDC? Can't seem to find it?  Just need a little more convincing of the impact they made on Sunday, it was such an important game, surely they were used well!

I don't know what the deal is with Adam's, he has been the only one who can get a decent push at DT yet he's demoted to the PR while JT gets reps?? I know we have ratio issues , so instead of having a NAT be our safety and suck we ll put a NAT as our DT and he will suck but it won't lead to any explosion plays or TDs,but our run defense will just suck.i get it now

Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 10:45:45 PMSo losing important football games for extra picks on a GC hosting year?  No team could be that bad at roster management, can they? That doesn't seem very smart now does it?  Going all in would be the smart move one would think.

How many snaps did Elgersma and Petersen take in the LDC? Can't seem to find it?  Just need a little more convincing of the impact they made on Sunday, it was such an important game, surely they were used well!

Another one that I and few others will agree with imo

Those picks will pay off
Patience will pay off
Roster management has been fine and will continue to be solid as long as this group stays together
Canadian depth is key to winning cups
Forest through the trees?

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 11:27:13 PMAnother one that I and few others will agree with imo

Those picks will pay off
Patience will pay off
Roster management has been fine and will continue to be solid as long as this group stays together
Canadian depth is key to winning cups
Forest through the trees?

In a GC hosting year?  Worried about a single player for  2029 lol.  Terrible approach, absolute horrid roster management if that is the case. 

Take the year off and forget the pick.  Go all in to win.  They can have another 9 picks before the next home GC.  Dumb move if that is the reason.

Pretty sure most people would want to host the WF followed by being in the Big Game. 

I do think we're a bit stubborn and possibly a little bit arrogant to not use the roster rules for greater flexibility. It makes total sense to do so especially on defense where there is a lot of packages and rotations (and we don't have a lot of national depth). Even just designating an American and Canadian on that side of the ball (without actually making the substitution) is a good idea in case they go down and we want to get 25 snaps out of someone.

Another use case would be Logan and Oliveira. Then Logan could come in for Oliveira with and we could keep in all our starting American receivers too.

Whatever you want to say about it we're 6-5 this year and we should probably get with the times. Keep up or die.

Quote from: dd on September 02, 2025, 11:20:21 PMI don't know what the deal is with Adam's, he has been the only one who can get a decent push at DT yet he's demoted to the PR while JT gets reps?? I know we have ratio issues , so instead of having a NAT be our safety and suck we ll put a NAT as our DT and he will suck but it won't lead to any explosion plays or TDs, but our run defense will just suck.i get it now

I have no problem with Allen at safety, when you saw how we were getting burnt with kelly there its been a vast improvement not just in coverage but in making recievers pay for going into the middle.
Our ratio issues are as weve discussed have an import that specialized in kickoff coverage rather than an additional lineman. On labor day game we finished with only 5 dl

Quote from: Pete on September 03, 2025, 01:09:24 AMI have no problem with Allen at safety, when you saw how we were getting burnt with kelly there its been a vast improvement not just in coverage but in making recievers pay for going into the middle.
Our ratio issues are as weve discussed have an import that specialized in kickoff coverage rather than an additional lineman. On labor day game we finished with only 5 dl

I get why Allen's at safey--because NAT Kelly sucked!! So rather than have your safety suck and cost you big time, we've chosen to take Adams out and replace with Lawson/Thomas, a downgrade in talent, but necessary due to ratio.

Is it time for the Bombers to trade for a legitimate Canadian safety, and or a DL.

Well, it sounds like DS83 is okay after all. That's good news. 

Quote from: Pigskin on September 03, 2025, 03:24:24 AMIs it time for the Bombers to trade for a legitimate Canadian safety, and or a DL.

Parker will likely slot back in FS.  Or Allen really steps up (or he's off to the PR until '26).  Not many legit NAT FSs, especially ones that would be up for trade.  We can only dream about a Dequoy...

Besides, with our setup, FS doesn't have to be NAT.  So widen the search to include IMPs.  However, our FS often is the "QB of the DBs", so maybe knows-the-system Parker is still the best option.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 03, 2025, 12:29:55 AMI do think we're a bit stubborn and possibly a little bit arrogant to not use the roster rules for greater flexibility. It makes total sense to do so especially on defense where there is a lot of packages and rotations (and we don't have a lot of national depth).

Totally agree.  However, there are 2-3 other teams that don't often (or ever) use the DNA/DNS cheat codes either, at least on 1 side of the ball.

Well... assuming your IMP depth is better than your NATs!  In our case there really is no "the IMPs always better" situation.  That said, if we got some mega-stout IMP DTs, THEN it would really pay to DNA one and "start" Fatboi then give 25 to the monster IMP.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 03, 2025, 12:29:55 AMEven just designating an American and Canadian on that side of the ball (without actually making the substitution) is a good idea in case they go down and we want to get 25 snaps out of someone.

I'm pretty sure we ARE designating the DNA/DNS.  The rules as written say you MUST designate on both sides of the ball.  As Junkie has told us, there is the chart us plebes see, and then the chart/roster/whatever as provided to the CFL.  Which neither CFL nor WFC publishes because it's SUPER CEREAL TRADE SECRETS WORTH MORE THAN THE COCA COLA FORMULA and we aren't worthy to lick their boots to be privy to who the DIs and DNA is that week.  Now everyone shut up and go enjoy your plain depth chart without all the extra ()'s and []'s.

Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 08:43:02 PMIf you don't use a nationalized American, you can earn an extra draft pick, which we have every year.

Don't get confused you guys.  NA (Nationalized American) and DNA (Designated NA) are 2 separate things.

Every team by rule starts that 8th NA (NA or 8th NAT).  Every team designates this.  Many/most don't put it on their chart.  No one cares because every single team has a slew of vets IMPs that qualify so it's really just a no-op.

DNA/DNS is the 25-snap thing for which we get the extra draft pick.  Yes, WFC never uses DNA (though they probably specify on the CFL-eyes-only chart).

Quote from: Waffler on September 02, 2025, 08:08:59 PM"I could tell I wasn't going to get there on time," Schoen said. [/i]

Not only was he open and on time, he had to wait.

Maybe he meant for the tackle on the INTer?  Or maybe he meant on a come-forward attempt (which would have helped draw DPI)?

Or maybe he's trying to cover for his QB?  We all can see that he was early to the spot, not late.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 04:24:36 PMOn another note I wonder if Vibert has had or is getting any reps on the DL. He's a big guy. It's not unusual to see lineman on both sides of the ball. He's the only Canadian that might fill the bill to get some reps. Seems unlikely but a question.

Hmmmm. Eli as a depth DL. same size as Schmekel. Along with some 3 man fronts and 3 DE's in 4 man fronts is that an option? Our DT's are more fill the gap than get to the QB.

As people said in another thread, OL->DT is not the easy transition you'd think it would be ("just be fat but not too slow").  DTs need more stamina.  That's why they are always spelling and you (should) dress 4 for 2 spots.

Now, moving DL to OT is easier because there it really is "are you fat and have done this before"?  The difference is DTs usually aren't as tall, or as fat.  Not to minimize OL skill set, because a DT subbing in usually doesn't turn out so hot.

Now, what we should be talking about is if Schmekel is gone, and if we aren't thrilled with our IMP DT roster, maybe this is the much-needed impetus to go score a game-changing DT somehow?  And I mean now, not FA.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 03:39:43 PMCould use Hallett back after probably losing Ball

How long can you possibly be out with a poke or marbles to the eye??  Maybe we just wanted an excuse to see more of Ball?  Hallett is far preferable to any rookie STer, except maybe Shay, IMHO.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2025, 06:10:54 AMMaybe he meant for the tackle on the INTer?  Or maybe he meant on a come-forward attempt (which would have helped draw DPI)?

Or maybe he's trying to cover for his QB?  We all can see that he was early to the spot, not late.

I just saw it as protecting his QB from blame.

Quote from: Pigskin on September 03, 2025, 04:10:59 AMWell, it sounds like DS83 is okay after all. That's good news. 

Ok as he is going to be. I would still dress Cobb just in case.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2025, 06:10:54 AMOr maybe he's trying to cover for his QB?  We all can see that he was early to the spot, not late.

The reason I say he was protecting his QB is because Collaros used to make that throw. Schoen was open and it was an easy completion, or it should have been.  I posted these separately in other threads but I am putting both here so you can see how he used to throw to that same spot from about the 11 yard line in 2022 compared to 2025.

2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.

https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235

2025: Rainbow, ball hangs up too long. Receiver has to wait.

https://youtu.be/nlW-yP1lNUQ?t=592

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2025, 06:15:04 AMAs people said in another thread, OL->DT is not the easy transition you'd think it would be ("just be fat but not too slow").  DTs need more stamina.  That's why they are always spelling and you (should) dress 4 for 2 spots.

Now, moving DL to OT is easier because there it really is "are you fat and have done this before"?  The difference is DTs usually aren't as tall, or as fat.  Not to minimize OL skill set, because a DT subbing in usually doesn't turn out so hot.

Now, what we should be talking about is if Schmekel is gone, and if we aren't thrilled with our IMP DT roster, maybe this is the much-needed impetus to go score a game-changing DT somehow?  And I mean now, not FA.

We know that but it's not that uncommon either. It could be something used a few times just give the others a rest.  It can take years for an OL to develop into a starter.

Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2025, 12:43:04 PMThe reason I say he was protecting his QB is because Collaros used to make that throw. Schoen was open and it was an easy completion, or it should have been.  I posted these separately in other threads but I am putting both here so you can see how he used to throw to that same spot from about the 11 yard line in 2022 compared to 2025.

2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.

https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235

2025: Rainbow, ball hangs up too long. Receiver has to wait.

https://youtu.be/nlW-yP1lNUQ?t=592

Definitely thrown a 1/2 second late. The other difference is that the DB broke much earlier and quicker to the ball in 2025.

Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2025, 12:43:04 PMThe reason I say he was protecting his QB is because Collaros used to make that throw. Schoen was open and it was an easy completion, or it should have been.  I posted these separately in other threads but I am putting both here so you can see how he used to throw to that same spot from about the 11 yard line in 2022 compared to 2025.

2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.

https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235

2025: Rainbow, ball hangs up too long. Receiver has to wait.

https://youtu.be/nlW-yP1lNUQ?t=592

You don't have to reach back to 2022, go back 2 weeks to the Als game and Demski's TD at 2:10 in the video below, that is how the play should have been executed.

Kramdi is back practising. That helps any issue with ratio changes we might want to make.

Vaval pick 6 on Zach, Pokey looks good.

Quote from: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 05:43:15 PMVaval pick 6 on Zach, Pokey looks good.

Can you tell which receivers are working on 1's?

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 05:53:58 PMCan you tell which receivers are working on 1's?

Looked the same, DS out Pokey in.  Houston taking reps on D.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2025, 06:09:17 AMDon't get confused you guys.  NA (Nationalized American) and DNA (Designated NA) are 2 separate things.

Every team by rule starts that 8th NA (NA or 8th NAT).  Every team designates this.  Many/most don't put it on their chart.  No one cares because every single team has a slew of vets IMPs that qualify so it's really just a no-op.

DNA/DNS is the 25-snap thing for which we get the extra draft pick.  Yes, WFC never uses DNA (though they probably specify on the CFL-eyes-only chart).

Technically speaking the extra draft picks are awarded to the two teams with the highest national snap count at the end of the year and has nothing to do with if we designate anyone or not. Assuming every team uses the 25 snap rule and we don't, we will probably get one of the picks, but we can absolutely still designate a nationalized American and the Canadian we want to swap for 25 snaps and not swap them, which is what I think we may as well do.

Wallace came off limping seeking assistance. That's not good news unless they planned to add Vanterpool anyway. I'm not opposed to that but it's a ratio adjustment.

Hallett and Kramdi are back at practice which is significant. That said, Kramdi might bump Woodbey back to PR in order to add an import elsewhere.

I think I already mentioned this but I might bump Logan off and let Mitchell do returns. Depends on whether Schoen is out or not. That could give us potentially space for 2 imports like either Adams or Woods and Vanterpool.  Vanterpool might turn out to be a necessity is Wallace is unable to play.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 05:13:42 PMKramdi is back practising. That helps any issue with ratio changes we might want to make.

Good, now sit JT and Logan get Woods and Adams on , Nationalize Willy find a way to get J.Jones out there and bring the heat all game.

The players for a dominant roster are all there.  Just have to use them.....

Looks like Schoen is not "Good to go"

Quote from: Pete on September 03, 2025, 07:01:15 PMLooks like Schoen is not "Good to go"

Schoen is only hurting the team not playing 100 percent IMO.
Let him be ready for playoffs.

Quote from: barbk on September 03, 2025, 07:19:37 PMSchoen is only hurting the team not playing 100 percent IMO.
Let him be ready for playoffs.

He may no longer be the receiver he was who exploited the waggle and burned secondaries on deep routes, but surely they can turn him into the older Weston Dressler model who can be a great short-medium possession receiver that flows to the holes.

Quote from: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 06:43:11 PMGood, now sit JT and Logan get Woods and Adams on , Nationalize Willy find a way to get J.Jones out there and bring the heat all game.

The players for a dominant roster are all there.  Just have to use them.....

I don't know we'll see either import DT let alone 2. You're suggesting adding 3 imports but only taking out 1, so that math alone doesn't work with the ratio. In order to do that we'd have to take out Ayers and Woodbey. Person would be an option but he's playing well and our only rotational player at DE.

It also creates an issue of Vaval possibly being the returner and starting CB.

Looking at the daily IR report doesn't look good. Wallace is nicked but Vanterpool doesn't appear ready either.

I think we expect Houston on the AR this week and that might bump either Vaval or Lawson as starters but Vaval could then bump Logan as the returner.

Not honestly sure which CB will get bumped but had thought earlier Lawson would be that player.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 09:20:32 PMI don't know we'll see either import DT let alone 2. You're suggesting adding 3 imports but only taking out 1, so that math alone doesn't work with the ratio. In order to do that we'd have to take out Ayers and Woodbey. Person would be an option but he's playing well and our only rotational player at DE.

It also creates an issue of Vaval possibly being the returner and starting CB.

Looking at the daily IR report doesn't look good. Wallace is nicked but Vanterpool doesn't appear ready either.

I think we expect Houston on the AR this week and that might bump either Vaval or Lawson as starters but Vaval could then bump Logan as the returner.

Not honestly sure which CB will get bumped but had thought earlier Lawson would be that player.

Lawson has been a lot better the last couple games. The secondary has been pretty good for the last few games.They got beat once deep but for the most part did a pretty good job covering and limited Harris to a mediocre outing

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 09:20:32 PMI don't know we'll see either import DT let alone 2. You're suggesting adding 3 imports but only taking out 1, so that math alone doesn't work with the ratio. In order to do that we'd have to take out Ayers and Woodbey. Person would be an option but he's playing well and our only rotational player at DE.

It also creates an issue of Vaval possibly being the returner and starting CB.

Looking at the daily IR report doesn't look good. Wallace is nicked but Vanterpool doesn't appear ready either.

I think we expect Houston on the AR this week and that might bump either Vaval or Lawson as starters but Vaval could then bump Logan as the returner.

Not honestly sure which CB will get bumped but had thought earlier Lawson would be that player.

Logan off, Ayers off is the move I would make.  J. Jones can play teams and pass rush would be the focus.  Look what Calgary did, imagine T.Harris against a fierce pass rush with the PAS crowd noise.

Put him on his back early and often while stuffing the run. A fresh Willy J would create havoc on second and long, 25 snaps would be plenty. Nothing else matters then. Keep them around 150-200 total yards on O and we win a landslide.

They can make it happen, if they wanted.

I wouldn't take Ayers or Logan out but there are going to be some important roster decisions

See who is healthy and we will know more

JT isn't coming out full stop

I want to see Woods get some action

Weitz was moved to the 1 game IR. That answers that part of what I was wondering. IMO we add another Canadian to play on ST's, most likely Hallett who does well there.

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Quote from: Blueforlife on September 03, 2025, 10:18:31 PMI wouldn't take Ayers or Logan out but there are going to be some important roster decisions

See who is healthy and we will know more

JT isn't coming out full stop

I want to see Woods get some action

JT won't come out, but he should.  At the very least not see the field unless injuries pile up on the line.  He adds an extra steamboat every time he is out there and he struggles against the run getting washed out more often than not.  He is not even a rotational piece I would want at this point.

J. Jones was a big free agent signing and is a beast on D.  Needs to play.  Logan has been a big nothing burger and is not a difference maker, not a must have.  Returning or on O.

Top three things to focus on this week against a poor Rider O-line is Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush.  Followed by stuffing the run.  Do what Calgary did.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 10:27:37 PMWeitz was moved to the 1 game IR. That answers that part of what I was wondering. IMO we add another Canadian to play on ST's, most likely Hallett who does well there.

Sure wish we had spent some money in the off season on impact players rather than rotating everyone and his dog into the one game IR.

Quote from: bunker on September 03, 2025, 10:51:49 PMSure wish we had spent some money in the off season on impact players rather than rotating everyone and his dog into the one game IR.

I think he's actually nicked but I don't know why they added him to the AR. The 2nd global is usually added when we have Canadian injuries and we did / still do.

He's also a LB and the last thing we need is another LB that is 10th on the depth chart. We just added another global LB to the PR but he has some skill and survived on NFL rosters for a few seasons.

In theory we thought we signed some impact players in free agency: J. Jones, D. Mitchell and Sterns. No idea J. Jones got bumped to PR although Woodbey may have passed him on the depth chart by being better in practice?

Either of those two offer more than Ayers in my opinion. It just seems O'Shea has a " **** " for ST specialists. Yes he does play well on teams but is that the best use of a DI?

Does anyone think he'd be next up at WIL or MLB if we have an injury?

I like the guy but I want a contributor on defensive rotation more than an ST only player.

Quote from: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 10:43:03 PMJT won't come out, but he should.  At the very least not see the field unless injuries pile up on the line.  He adds an extra steamboat every time he is out there and he struggles against the run getting washed out more often than not.  He is not even a rotational piece I would want at this point.

J. Jones was a big free agent signing and is a beast on D.  Needs to play.  Logan has been a big nothing burger and is not a difference maker, not a must have.  Returning or on O.

Top three likeee things to focus on this week against a poor Rider O-line is Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush.  Followed by stuffing the run.  Do what Calgary did.

I've actually liked Woodbeys play more than Jones, Id like to see
out Logan (vaval is better)
     ayers
     lawton
     Smeckle injured
     Weitz  injured
     Schoen injured

in   Woods, Wilson, Houston, Kramdi, Petersen
It would have been good to add in another olineman but not sure we have much available, which could be a real problem if Wallace is hurt
     

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Quote from: Pete on September 03, 2025, 11:22:35 PMI've actually liked Woodbeys play more than Jones, Id like to see
out Logan (vaval is better)
     ayers
     lawton
     Smeckle injured
     Weitz  injured
     Schoen injured

in   Woods, Wilson, Houston, Kramdi, Petersen
It would have been good to add in another olineman but not sure we have much available, which could be a real problem if Wallace is hurt
     

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I'm not sure how to compare Woods over Adams. Both getting demoted to PR didn't help. Our defence had one of their better games using the 3 Canadian DT's but now Schmekel is injured. Adding Kornelson directly to the AR suggests that is still the plan.

Without understanding the logic of moving the 2 imports to the PR, I don't know what to think or expect.

Vaval is a better returner now but Logan might be better after a few more games. The catch is that this week is game 12 and missing so much of the season didn't help his cause.

We don't want Vaval to have to start at CB and do all the returning but we'll have to see who Houston replaces in the secondary. If Lawson stays then Vaval could bump Logan.

Woodbey didn't look out of place but it was 1 game.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 11:33:08 PMI'm not sure how to compare Woods over Adams. Both getting demoted to PR didn't help. Our defence had one of their better games using the 3 Canadian DT's but now Schmekel is injured. Adding Kornelson directly to the AR suggests that is still the plan.

Without understanding the logic of moving the 2 imports to the PR, I don't know what to think or expect.

Vaval is a better returner now but Logan might be better after a few more games. The catch is that this week is game 12 and missing so much of the season didn't help his cause.

We don't want Vaval to have to start at CB and do all the returning but we'll have to see who Houston replaces in the secondary. If Lawson stays then Vaval could bump Logan.

Woodbey didn't look out of place but it was 1 game.

Yup the CDN depth at DL is important will continue
Woods and Adams are similar, another poster weeks ago had a good comparison from last year, can't remember what they said or who
Agree about Logan, needs time to season
Vaval will get burnt out if plays both spots
Hopefully Houston is ready
Woodbey looked ok

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 11:03:07 PMI think he's actually nicked but I don't know why they added him to the AR. The 2nd global is usually added when we have Canadian injuries and we did / still do.

He's also a LB and the last thing we need is another LB that is 10th on the depth chart. We just added another global LB to the PR but he has some skill and survived on NFL rosters for a few seasons.

In theory we thought we signed some impact players in free agency: J. Jones, D. Mitchell and Sterns. No idea J. Jones got bumped to PR although Woodbey may have passed him on the depth chart by being better in practice?

Either of those two offer more than Ayers in my opinion. It just seems O'Shea has a " **** " for ST specialists. Yes he does play well on teams but is that the best use of a DI?

Does anyone think he'd be next up at WIL or MLB if we have an injury?

I like the guy but I want a contributor on defensive rotation more than an ST only player.

Hard to find a depth chart from last season but I believe Ayers played WIl after Bighill went down and T Jones took over at MLB, right up until Kyrie returned for the playoffs.  From what I recall he must have played WIL decently as he made Bryan Cole expendable in the off-season.

So by my count Vanterpool will now miss his 6th game with the Banjo Bowl, sitting on the 1 game. Why wouldn't they have 6 gamed him from the start? They could take him off early at any time, with the only downside being his salary would then count against the cap. But its counting against the cap anyway sitting on the one game IR. Do they not care about gaining room under the cap, to try and use it to better the team, this year ideally but even some spending room to build the team in December for next year.

Same issue with Logan. He's been on the one game IR for the first 9 games of the season. Why not save his salary against the cap? Logan's salary works out to about $6000 per game, so we've blown 54,000 for nothing? Add another 30,000 lost with Vanterpool. That's 84,000 we've wasted.

And then in the off-season Walters will whine that he has no money for impact signings...what am I missing here?

Quote from: bunker on September 04, 2025, 02:51:05 AMSo by my count Vanterpool will now miss his 6th game with the Banjo Bowl, sitting on the 1 game. Why wouldn't they have 6 gamed him from the start? They could take him off early at any time, with the only downside being his salary would then count against the cap. But its counting against the cap anyway sitting on the one game IR. Do they not care about gaining room under the cap, to try and use it to better the team, this year ideally but even some spending room to build the team in December for next year.

Same issue with Logan. He's been on the one game IR for the first 9 games of the season. Why not save his salary against the cap? Logan's salary works out to about $6000 per game, so we've blown 54,000 for nothing? Add another 30,000 lost with Vanterpool. That's 84,000 we've wasted.

And then in the off-season Walters will whine that he has no money for impact signings...what am I missing here?

They can't legitimately put Vanterpool on the 6 game IR because he hasn't been injured.  Walters has been using the 1 game IR as a reserve all season to stash non-injured players and is probably using the bonus payment the league handed out in the spring to pay fit.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 03:12:48 AMThey can't legitimately put Vanterpool on the 6 game IR because he hasn't been injured.  Walters has been using the 1 game IR as a reserve all season to stash non-injured players and is probably using the bonus payment the league handed out in the spring to pay fit.

I'm sorry, what does this mean?  I honestly don't understand.

And just to clarify - you are saying Vanterpool has never been injured this year, just kept in protection from being plucked (i.e. 1 game better than PR for this of course)?

And finally - is there any precedence or past ruling showing someone cannot be put on the 6 game IR if you cannot show a medical injury?

I promise I am not being a smart-a** here - I legitimately am asking these questions.

That makes sense in a way for Vanterpool, if he's not injured. Although that's what PR is suppose to be for. I'm assuming he wasn't willing to go to PR and Walter's didn't want to lose him, since we need him with Lofton  out.

Still doesn't explain Logan.

For  all the money we've spent paying our "depth" to sit in the one game (including J Jones and Mitchell) we could actually have afforded players who play and have an impact in games. Mike Rose would have looked good on our interior on the D Line, instead of Woods and Adams, who aren't good enough to stay on the roster.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 06:19:31 PMWallace came off limping seeking assistance. That's not good news unless they planned to add Vanterpool anyway. I'm not opposed to that but it's a ratio adjustment.

Assuming Vant isn't nicked, I almost welcome a little IR stint for Wallace.  Everyone will see how night & day it is with Vant at LG.  I think the '25 Wallace experiment is over.  Can you imagine his whiffs in the post-season?  Yikes.

Wallace should go back into the dev pipeline and be jumbo.  Make him the next Spooner.  Except maybe he'll be good as a legit NAT OG starter one day, who knows.

I think what happened was Mafia really liked the flexibility of starting 8, 9, 10 NATs.  So Wallace got the nod over better-but-not-by-miles Vant.  Starting the bare minimum (like most teams) seems to get them all anxiety-ridden.  I really don't get it, but we do do some strange special sets & schemes at times.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 03, 2025, 06:09:44 PMTechnically speaking the extra draft picks are awarded to the two teams with the highest national snap count at the end of the year and has nothing to do with if we designate anyone or not. Assuming every team uses the 25 snap rule and we don't, we will probably get one of the picks, but we can absolutely still designate a nationalized American and the Canadian we want to swap for 25 snaps and not swap them, which is what I think we may as well do.

As I said in other post, we ARE designating NA, DNA and DNS.  I'm sure of it.  Junkie basically spelled it out.  He said the charts HIS MAJESTY gets to see has all that info.  We plebes get the peon half-butt chart.  If the league follows the rules, all teams must specify all of these weird player designations.

And we've talked about what's actually measured to "win" the "snap count" extra-2RDPs.  There is no way they "count national snap count"; as in "how many NATs were present for snap X, summed over all snaps in the season".  Why?  Because some teams will naturally have way more snaps in a game than others (well, pairs of teams).  Think SSK playing SSK... the snap count would be double a theoretical WPG vs WPG because our goal is always bleed clock.  Plus, that's the devil to track, and I'm not even sure PFF is doing it.

No, what they track is just that one (on each side of the ball) DNA player when he's on the field subbing in for a NAT.  Count his snaps.  Tell them team when they get close to or exceed 25.  Easy peasy.  Remember, this has to be done in real time, and I'm pretty sure PFF isn't capturing who-is-on-field-now data in real time on every snap!

Picture WPG's situation: the spotter has to count zero and do nothing to track the DNA for our team, vs tracking every player on every sub in real time counting 12 guys every snap...

I know that the rule words it the way you're saying, but it simply cannot be what they do in practice.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 12:54:10 PMWe know that but it's not that uncommon either. It could be something used a few times just give the others a rest.  It can take years for an OL to develop into a starter.

I'm not against the idea, but maybe go into your mind and come up with the name of the last OL that played DT other than in an emergency?  I can't!

Now, if you hired an OL who had that extra skillset, it would definitely add to his value, as emergency-whatevers are always handy to have.

Maybe you're thinking like that new super tall & fat guy that is DT on, who again?, CGY? SSK?  Did he get injured?  I don't recall seeing him lately.  You can't miss him.  It's like having Yoshi at DT.  And he seemed to get a ton of push.

Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2025, 12:43:04 PM2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.

Quote from: bunker on September 03, 2025, 12:59:08 PMDefinitely thrown a 1/2 second late. The other difference is that the DB broke much earlier and quicker to the ball in 2025.

Actually, a few things allowed the '22 to work.  What bunker said, plus Zach threw far wider in '22 giving Schoen more space to keep sprinting so the DB couldn't catch up as easily.

Plus, probably most importantly in '22 they got the DB to turn hips the other way.  He had to do a full hip 180 and that takes time.  Watch the '25 one, the DB never turns hips, always square to the QB until he breaks for Schoen.

But yes, a touch more zip & better trajectory on the '22 pass.  Still doesn't mean we couldn't have made the '25 one work.

It would have been nice if the rub had somehow also gotten outside of the DB.  Just a couple of feet more to the right!  Then it would be a wide open TD with no OPI.  However, the rub was darn sweet regardless, so I can't complain.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 03, 2025, 04:13:03 PMYou don't have to reach back to 2022, go back 2 weeks to the Als game and Demski's TD at 2:10 in the video below, that is how the play should have been executed.

Not as good a comparison because this one had the DB being rubbed by the post!  It's kind of a whole different play design, even though the pass & target look somewhat similar.

We have to remember SSK was in full run blitz and any low pass was going to have to be outside or it was going to be batted down (see BLM's failed 2PAT this last weekend).  Unless Zach got super amazing & lucky finding the lane, which I wouldn't bet money on.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 04, 2025, 06:56:32 AMAssuming Vant isn't nicked, I almost welcome a little IR stint for Wallace.  Everyone will see how night & day it is with Vant at LG.  I think the '25 Wallace experiment is over.  Can you imagine his whiffs in the post-season?  Yikes.

Wallace should go back into the dev pipeline and be jumbo.  Make him the next Spooner.  Except maybe he'll be good as a legit NAT OG starter one day, who knows.

I think what happened was Mafia really liked the flexibility of starting 8, 9, 10 NATs.  So Wallace got the nod over better-but-not-by-miles Vant.  Starting the bare minimum (like most teams) seems to get them all anxiety-ridden.  I really don't get it, but we do do some strange special sets & schemes at times.

Vanterpool was listed as " DNP " yesterday due to an ankle issue. So he may not be able to play. We'll see what either play shows on today's report.

Quote from: bunker on September 04, 2025, 03:55:56 AMThat makes sense in a way for Vanterpool, if he's not injured. Although that's what PR is suppose to be for. I'm assuming he wasn't willing to go to PR and Walter's didn't want to lose him, since we need him with Lofton  out.

Still doesn't explain Logan.

For  all the money we've spent paying our "depth" to sit in the one game (including J Jones and Mitchell) we could actually have afforded players who play and have an impact in games. Mike Rose would have looked good on our interior on the D Line, instead of Woods and Adams, who aren't good enough to stay on the roster.

I would have liked for Walters to go after Mike Rose as well but they chose Vaughters instead, not surprisingly there was a bidding war for Rose between a few clubs so he probably signed for a much higher price.  So perhaps Walters signed the player they wanted or perhaps he was again constrained by the budget he set out to follow.

As for Vanterpool, placing him on the 1 game IR not only protects him but also pays him as if he was playing, which should be enough to convince him to hang around for future opportunities that will open up next season.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 03, 2025, 11:51:43 PMHard to find a depth chart from last season but I believe Ayers played WIl after Bighill went down and T Jones took over at MLB, right up until Kyrie returned for the playoffs.  From what I recall he must have played WIL decently as he made Bryan Cole expendable in the off-season.

He did but that doesn't seem to be the case in 2025. Even in the last game it was Woodbey taking snaps on defence and not Ayers. You can access 2024 charts by googling Bomber depth charts in 2024. I did that earlier in the week.

Regardless. It doesn't answer the question about who you think would be next man up if there was an injury. Of course that's just our personal opinion but IMO it would be J. Jones and then possibly Woodbey before Ayers.

Just my guess about changes to this weeks roster:

1. Hallett in and Ball moved to 1 game IR or PR.

2. Makonzo in and Woodbey moved back to PR. Unfortunate but it's a ratio thing and Makonzo will back up at SAM.

3. Kramdi in and allows the changes mentioned in Item # 2

4. Kornelson in with Schemekel moved to 6 game IR.

5. Adams in due to change in ratio allowed by Item # 2.

6. Wilson in. This is where it gets interesting. Can Schoen play and who gets moved out if he does.

7. Houston in Lawson out. I think I'd prefer Vaval back to returning and Logan out, but this is another variable.

If neither Houston or an import DT are not added to the AR it's going to bring up a lot of questions.  Noting that I'd rather take out Ayers and leave Woodbey in but he's an O'Shea favourite.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 04, 2025, 05:00:20 PMJust my guess about changes to this weeks roster:

1. Hallett in and Ball moved to 1 game IR or PR.

2. Makonzo in and Woodbey moved back to PR. Unfortunate but it's a ratio thing and Makonzo will back up at SAM.

3. Kramdi in and allows the changes mentioned in Item # 2

4. Kornelson in with Schemekel moved to 6 game IR.

5. Adams in due to change in ratio allowed by Item # 2.

6. Wilson in. This is where it gets interesting. Can Schoen play and who gets moved out if he does.

7. Houston in Lawson out. I think I'd prefer Vaval back to returning and Logan out, but this is another variable.

If neither Houston or an import DT are not added to the AR it's going to bring up a lot of questions.  Noting that I'd rather take out Ayers and leave Woodbey in but he's an O'Shea favourite.

Agree most, a very good summary there bud
Ayers stays imo
Woodbey does show promise as well
Big one is what happens at receiver
I would like to see Woods play but doesn't have to be this week

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:23:55 PMI would have liked for Walters to go after Mike Rose as well but they chose Vaughters instead, not surprisingly there was a bidding war for Rose between a few clubs so he probably signed for a much higher price.  So perhaps Walters signed the player they wanted or perhaps he was again constrained by the budget he set out to follow.

As for Vanterpool, placing him on the 1 game IR not only protects him but also pays him as if he was playing, which should be enough to convince him to hang around for future opportunities that will open up next season.

I understand the Vanterpool decisions, and am ok with it. Logan makes no sense.
https://3downnation.com/2025/04/18/the-cfls-15-highest-paid-defensive-linemen-for-the-2025-season/
Very little difference between Rose and Vaughters salaries, 13,000-15,000 max. I think they prioritize DEs over DT's.  In some ways, it makes sense, if you are running lots of 30 fronts, and are intent on rotating canadian DTs in regularly, there is a smaller role for a DT, unless they can swing out to the end for some plays.

I don't mind if Ayers stays on. Just get him more reps on defence. K. Wilson shouldn't play every snap. Even T.Jones should get a few plays off.

It's catch 22. The more often the defence forces 2 and out and is winning TOP, the less rotation they need. Conversely, when the opposition is winning TOP and having long drives, it creates an issue.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 04, 2025, 05:00:20 PMJust my guess about changes to this weeks roster:

1. Hallett in and Ball moved to 1 game IR or PR.

2. Makonzo in and Woodbey moved back to PR. Unfortunate but it's a ratio thing and Makonzo will back up at SAM.

3. Kramdi in and allows the changes mentioned in Item # 2

4. Kornelson in with Schemekel moved to 6 game IR.

5. Adams in due to change in ratio allowed by Item # 2.

6. Wilson in. This is where it gets interesting. Can Schoen play and who gets moved out if he does.

7. Houston in Lawson out. I think I'd prefer Vaval back to returning and Logan out, but this is another variable.

If neither Houston or an import DT are not added to the AR it's going to bring up a lot of questions.  Noting that I'd rather take out Ayers and leave Woodbey in but he's an O'Shea favourite.

Logan out over Lawson.  We need DB's more than RB's, and Vaval and Mitchell can return.

If Schoen can go, and I'd prefer him to sit if not 110%, that hobble on the 2 pt looked really bad to me, then I guess Mitchell comes out as the LIFO choice.  Wilson might be a better swap out for Wheatfall, but I think they want Wheatfall in over Mitchell right now.

I really doubt Schoen is in, for him not to be practicing its not something that is going to be 100% in a week.
Likely thats the only change in offence, unless Wallace is still limping,
I would bring in Peterson to help in blocking but Corcoran is another body who OShea just likes

Schoen is out as per ed tait

Quote from: theaardvark on September 04, 2025, 05:31:41 PMLogan out over Lawson.  We need DB's more than RB's, and Vaval and Mitchell can return.

If Schoen can go, and I'd prefer him to sit if not 110%, that hobble on the 2 pt looked really bad to me, then I guess Mitchell comes out as the LIFO choice.  Wilson might be a better swap out for Wheatfall, but I think they want Wheatfall in over Mitchell right now.

Make a good point about Lawson over Logan but I also don't want Vaval doing all returns.  Mitchell could but might have the jitters, prefer not to test that Sat.
Wheat over Mitchell imo

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 04, 2025, 05:14:06 PMI don't mind if Ayers stays on. Just get him more reps on defence. K. Wilson shouldn't play every snap. Even T.Jones should get a few plays off.

It's catch 22. The more often the defence forces 2 and out and is winning TOP, the less rotation they need. Conversely, when the opposition is winning TOP and having long drives, it creates an issue.

I would not take Wilson or Jones out very much unless up 2 tds

Schoen out answers 1 question about the possible changes at receiver. Very unlikely we see someone like Echols bump Mitchell or start in front of Wilson this week. Wilson in for Schoen and whether the move receivers around is less of an issue.

Wallace was limited but Vanterpool was full today. Which is the healthiest or being considered to start? Flip a coin. Obvious ration advantage with Wallace but he might night to sit.

All of Ball, Hallett, Kramdi and Makonzo appear to be healthy. I've expressed my opinions about what I think will happen but it won't be the 1st time I'm surprised by what does happen.

Everything else falls into the decisions with ratio and what we decide to do with our DI's. That's eluded me all year so patiently waiting to see what gets posted tomorrow.

The reality is I don't care so much about who plays if we win. Lose this game and hopes of 1st or 2nd are slipping.

So just for the Jake Thomas lovers, he can start at QB if he throws for 400 yards and 5 TD's. :)

You saw it here first.

EDIT: Cobb out and Peterson in. Didn't see that one coming. It could suggest that Logan ( backup RB potentially ) will be moved back to PR. Otherwise, what's the point? He won't get any reps except maybe on ST's. With the changes at receiver and extra receiver might hold more value than a backup RB unless Logan if coming off.

Hard to tell what the timing of movements to and from PR mean. Result of other decisions being made throughout the course of the week? If this set of moves indicates that Logan is moving to PR why not do it at the same time?  OTOH, he could be bumped back to 1 game IR as others move to AR from 1 game IR tomorrow.

Nice to see Peterson back.  Likely time for Brady bully ball with Peterson keeping it fresh.  I wanted to see more from Cobb but that might come later if we get hurt again.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 04, 2025, 08:49:56 PMSchoen out answers 1 question about the possible changes at receiver. Very unlikely we see someone like Echols bump Mitchell or start in front of Wilson this week. Wilson in for Schoen and whether the move receivers around is less of an issue.

Let's assume Pokey starts.  That would mean we have 4 natural WRs and one SB (Demski).  Since when did we have Pokey at SB?  Pokey might get destroyed playing inside.

Wheatie has shown he can do it and take the punishment, so he'll probably get SB.  And Mitchell also has shown maybe he can.  So he'll be the other SB.  That leaves Pokey wide and Clercius in his usual spot.  However, we're still putting 2 "WR" guys inside...  Can they adapt fast enough?  Can they not get injured long term?

It's really nice to have a natural beefier slot like Schoen in the line-up... Or even one of the waterbugs at slot!  But at the moment I think "best available player" mantra has to rule.

And there's no law against sending all 5 on go routes every single snap!  :D  :D  :D

Quote from: bunker on September 04, 2025, 05:11:29 PMIn some ways, it makes sense, if you are running lots of 30 fronts, and are intent on rotating canadian DTs in regularly, there is a smaller role for a DT, unless they can swing out to the end for some plays.

A lot of people keep saying this, but if you look at what we're doing this season, we only use 3 man pass rush (starting with 30 front looks) once in a blue moon each game.  This is not 2024.  We have been going much more traditional 4 DL fronts, and even a lot less smoke & mirrors with LBs faking pass rush, and not too much blitzing either.

Everything has been simplified for the front 7.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:23:55 PMAs for Vanterpool, placing him on the 1 game IR not only protects him but also pays him as if he was playing, which should be enough to convince him to hang around for future opportunities that will open up next season.

I think most teams are loathe to start > 2 IMP OL.  I think in the CFL this is an admission that your drafting and scouting and FA are a failure.  And it really is.

However, with our extra NATs on D and RB + Demski, we can afford to start 3 IMP OL.  But I think Mafia still doesn't like to have to admit it.  That's why so much hope & time is pinned on Wallace.

But hey, no pressure big guy!

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 04, 2025, 05:00:20 PMJust my guess about changes to this weeks roster:

1. Hallett in and Ball moved to 1 game IR or PR.

2. Makonzo in and Woodbey moved back to PR. Unfortunate but it's a ratio thing and Makonzo will back up at SAM.

3. Kramdi in and allows the changes mentioned in Item # 2

4. Kornelson in with Schemekel moved to 6 game IR.

5. Adams in due to change in ratio allowed by Item # 2.

6. Wilson in. This is where it gets interesting. Can Schoen play and who gets moved out if he does.

7. Houston in Lawson out. I think I'd prefer Vaval back to returning and Logan out, but this is another variable.

If neither Houston or an import DT are not added to the AR it's going to bring up a lot of questions.  Noting that I'd rather take out Ayers and leave Woodbey in but he's an O'Shea favourite.

I'm quoting myself. I know. Just an evaluation of my predictions with a new view on things.

1. Ball must not have been as nicked as thought. He must also be the future while Hallett is the past.

2. Makonzo is healthy so what's the deal? Can't he come off his 2nd round of 6 game IR, or not until next week?

3. Well I got the Kramdi change right. But not the depth with Makonzo and Woodbey idea.

4. Kornelson was a given when he was added immediately to game AR.

5. Neither import DT added in favour of retaining both Ayers and Woodbey. Go figure.

6. Wilson was a given as well but where will everyone line up?

7. No Houston is another head scratcher. Vaval and Lawson played better last week, but still??

Several healthy players are being kept out. That suggests they've been passed on depth charts and / or performances are found lacking compared to others.

Ok. Fine. Now just go out and win. If this is the best roster we can field and we lose, it's going to get ugly on here.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 05, 2025, 03:42:18 AMI think most teams are loathe to start > 2 IMP OL.  I think in the CFL this is an admission that your drafting and scouting and FA are a failure.  And it really is.

However, with our extra NATs on D and RB + Demski, we can afford to start 3 IMP OL.  But I think Mafia still doesn't like to have to admit it.  That's why so much hope & time is pinned on Wallace.

But hey, no pressure big guy!

I think it is a factor that the best NAT Oline are going south now.  I think this year has seen the most NAT Oline landing NFL AR spots in a while.

Add to that the development of NAT QB's and "skilled positions" other than what has generally been the  3-4 Oline, 1-2 Dline and 5th receiver and one "ratio breaker" makes a difference as well, as INT Oline are cheaper and more plentiful than Nat Oline.  Remember when Muamba was able to do his "tour of the teams" and choose where he played because he was a ratio breaker?  Not as much the case today.

Drafting and developing a solid corps of Nat Oline is always a great strategy, they have long careers, don't get injured as often and can play at the same level as an Int given time to develop. 

BC going with 4 Int Oline is just mind boggling.  But when you start a Nat QB and have 2 top Nat SB's and Betts... its a luxury you can afford.

Can you imagine "Set HUT" Wylie getting to work with a 4 Int Oline?

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 05, 2025, 03:15:54 PMI'm quoting myself. I know. Just an evaluation of my predictions with a new view on things.

1. Ball must not have been as nicked as thought. He must also be the future while Hallett is the past.

2. Makonzo is healthy so what's the deal? Can't he come off his 2nd round of 6 game IR, or not until next week?

3. Well I got the Kramdi change right. But not the depth with Makonzo and Woodbey idea.

4. Kornelson was a given when he was added immediately to game AR.

5. Neither import DT added in favour of retaining both Ayers and Woodbey. Go figure.

6. Wilson was a given as well but where will everyone line up?

7. No Houston is another head scratcher. Vaval and Lawson played better last week, but still??

Several healthy players are being kept out. That suggests they've been passed on depth charts and / or performances are found lacking compared to others.

Ok. Fine. Now just go out and win. If this is the best roster we can field and we lose, it's going to get ugly on here.

Nice article on Ball in the Free Press today. Sounds like O'shea really likes this kid and his explosiveness. Grew up a major Rider fan but lots of Bomber Ball jerseys in his family now.

Looking forward to Wilson back in. Really needed this boost at receiver and I don't think it matters where he lines up. He'll be great.

Big mistake not playing Houston. Our secondary is still a major weak spot. The guy was a difference maker when here and I think this is another case of MOS dragging his feet on making changes with his guys.

Another close game. Counting on Sergio to make the difference. He won't miss two games in a row.

Quote from: gordo on September 05, 2025, 03:40:33 PMNice article on Ball in the Free Press today. Sounds like O'shea really likes this kid and his explosiveness. Grew up a major Rider fan but lots of Bomber Ball jerseys in his family now.

Looking forward to Wilson back in. Really needed this boost at receiver and I don't think it matters where he lines up. He'll be great.

Big mistake not playing Houston. Our secondary is still a major weak spot. The guy was a difference maker when here and I think this is another case of MOS dragging his feet on making changes with his guys.

Another close game. Counting on Sergio to make the difference. He won't miss two games in a row.

As I said in the gameday thread, the stadium is going to be LOUD when the D is on, and throwing a guy into the mix on a handful of practices when they can't communicate pre-snap, regardless how much of a difference maker he can be, its probably for the better.  And who would have to come out for him?

I like leaving our D backfield intact in this very specific situation.

I've noticed Ball on ST's and he looks like a keeper. I felt that Hallett could be in his last season with the Bombers but now it's looking like that is happening now. He's healthy and he's not getting onto the AR.

Anyone know more about the status of Parker. This is game 5 on the 1 game IR and he's still not practising. is he done for the season and why isn't he on the 6 game IR?

Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2025, 03:44:29 PMAs I said in the gameday thread, the stadium is going to be LOUD when the D is on, and throwing a guy into the mix on a handful of practices when they can't communicate pre-snap, regardless how much of a difference maker he can be, its probably for the better.  And who would have to come out for him?

I like leaving our D backfield intact in this very specific situation.

I want Vaval doing ALL of the kick returns. Doing that plus starting at CB is alot. Maybe we should start him at WR too and fit him for a leather helmut.

My first choice though would be replace Lawson with Houston if Vaval wasn't also returning kicks.

Houston is not a raw rookie. I don't think the noise would be an issue for him. He's done this before. And a pretty smart player IIRC.

Quote from: gordo on September 05, 2025, 03:40:33 PMNice article on Ball in the Free Press today. Sounds like O'shea really likes this kid and his explosiveness. Grew up a major Rider fan but lots of Bomber Ball jerseys in his family now.

Looking forward to Wilson back in. Really needed this boost at receiver and I don't think it matters where he lines up. He'll be great.

Big mistake not playing Houston. Our secondary is still a major weak spot. The guy was a difference maker when here and I think this is another case of MOS dragging his feet on making changes with his guys.

I can't see O'Shea overriding his co-ords roster decisions as a matter of principle, he doesn't normally attend specific team's meetings so he has less familiarity with the players mental ability and personality than the co-ords do.  I'm sure they review all the factors including ratio as a group before setting the roster, but I think he largely trusts the choices they make over playing favourites.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2025, 04:54:22 PMI can't see O'Shea overriding his co-ords roster decisions as a matter of principle, he doesn't normally attend specific team's meetings so he has less familiarity with the players mental ability and personality than the co-ords do.  I'm sure they review all the factors including ratio as a group before setting the roster, but I think he largely trusts the choices they make over playing favourites.

Sure about that?  OC/DC setting the final roster?  Sounds strange to me....

DS done for the season.  Not a big surprise but it's apparently official.

Schoen's done for the season: https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

Brutal. Just brutal.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 05, 2025, 06:00:10 PMSchoen's done for the season: https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

Brutal. Just brutal.

Why was he even rostered? Make it make sense.....

Quote from: Strevy on September 05, 2025, 06:57:54 PMWhy was he even rostered? Make it make sense.....

He was cleared to play and had a pretty strong outing up until the failed 2-pt. attempt where he pulled up lame.

Probably just the nature of knee injuries, I suppose.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 05, 2025, 07:04:25 PMHe was cleared to play and had a pretty strong outing up until the failed 2-pt. attempt where he pulled up lame.

Probably just the nature of knee injuries, I suppose.

He could not even finish the game.  Again. Strong outing or not (58 yards?) he had a torn ACL.  The knee was injured going in.  And not just a boo-boo. 

Being cleared probably does not mean he HAS to play.  Still doesn't make sense to me. 

Quote from: Strevy on September 05, 2025, 07:14:06 PMHe could not even finish the game.  Again. Strong outing or not (58 yards?) he had a torn ACL.  The knee was injured going in.  And not just a boo-boo. 

Being cleared probably does not mean he HAS to play.  Still doesn't make sense to me. 

Makes sense to me.  He was cleared to play by professionals.  So he played.

Huge loss. My favorite receiver. Still think it was the right decision to sign him. No-one can predict injuries. He is young enough to have have many great years ahead of him. Hopefully as a Bomber.

Quote from: gordo on September 05, 2025, 08:02:40 PMMakes sense to me.  He was cleared to play by professionals.  So he played.

Huge loss. My favorite receiver. Still think it was the right decision to sign him. No-one can predict injuries. He is young enough to have have many great years ahead of him. Hopefully as a Bomber.

MOS mentions he tore his ACL in the last CGY game, brutal they let him play again in the LDC, the decision  should have been taken out of his hands.  This looks bad on the organization, Schoen's career is over and he won't be back.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 05, 2025, 06:00:10 PMSchoen's done for the season: https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

Brutal. Just brutal.

Yup. Next man up. Unfortunate but all teams go through it.

I hope this is not the end for Schoen but coming back from two ACL injuries two seasons in a row is a big hill to climb. He is not under contract for next season so I wonder if the Bombers will pursue him. I don't see him signing with the Bombers unless there is protection for the Bombers if he gets injured again.

Sad to see this happening to a very good receiver and great person. I agree with bwiser, this will be a tough hill to climb.

DS83 first 2 seasons. 141/2663  26 TDs, 18.90 Avg. Incredible numbers.

I really hope he can come back.

Quote from: bwiser on September 05, 2025, 08:27:32 PMI hope this is not the end for Schoen but coming back from two ACL injuries two seasons in a row is a big hill to climb. He is not under contract for next season so I wonder if the Bombers will pursue him. I don't see him signing with the Bombers unless there is protection for the Bombers if he gets injured again.

Would be surprised if Dalton didn't move on with his career, he has an engineering degree and should be able to step into a great paying job while his leg recovers. He most likely rehabs it properly anyway for later life, but not sure he will try for another comeback unless he's as crazy as Bighill.

 This is the second year in a row Schoen has torn
the ACL in his left knee. - Free Press

Just hoping there is no other damage in there. Guessing not since he tried to play through it rather than surgery right away.

Heart breaking really. That guy has so much talent, I wish I was watching him play.

Very sad about Schoen. Pro sports can be cruel and unforgiving at times.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2025, 08:15:50 PMMOS mentions he tore his ACL in the last CGY game, brutal they let him play again in the LDC, the decision  should have been taken out of his hands.  This looks bad on the organization, Schoen's career is over and he won't be back.

100%

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2025, 08:15:50 PMMOS mentions he tore his ACL in the last CGY game, brutal they let him play again in the LDC, the decision  should have been taken out of his hands.  This looks bad on the organization, Schoen's career is over and he won't be back.

I have to agree if they knew he had a torn ACL there is no way he should have been playing. Something doesn't seem right though. They have trainers on staff that should know better.  Did they really know this after the CGY game?

I don't agree though that his career is over. A long recovery for sure but if he wants to rehab and come back then it is possible. Bighill is 9 years older. He keeps coming back from pretty serious injury.

Tom Brady, Adrian Peterson, Carson Palmer, Gronkowski all came back from a torn ACL.  If Schoen wants to put in the work, he can come back.

Quote from: Waffler on September 05, 2025, 10:54:50 PMThis is the second year in a row Schoen has torn
the ACL in his left knee. - Free Press

DS's injury situation really deserved it's own thread, but oh well.

Same knee?  He's toast.  We thought he was slow/weak after the 1st injury?  Good luck with the 2nd.  Name me one other REC that came back from that and excelled.

We probably don't sign him again.  Any signing bonus will just be burnt SMS.  And any week he's on 1G or leaves a game is more wasted SMS.

We gambled on Dalton instead of Kenny.  We lost that bet.  (And yes, we could have afforded to match HAM for Kenny if we didn't sign Dalton and if we tapped the $400k, or just decided to go over in a cup year.)

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 05, 2025, 03:46:59 PMI've noticed Ball on ST's and he looks like a keeper. I felt that Hallett could be in his last season with the Bombers but now it's looking like that is happening now. He's healthy and he's not getting onto the AR.

I've seen nothing by Ball to make him look better than any other promising rookie DP.  Hallett is our speed ST edge rusher and kick blocker.  He has some unique skills: crazy twitch, crazy accel.  He's also a speed guy to catch loose returners.

The only reason you would prefer Ball right now to Hallett is if you think Ball can be a starter or near-starter on D within 1-2 years.  Hallett has shown he's last choice to play FS, and won't get any better.  So which is it: special ST talent NOW, or potential legit D option guy LATER.

Quote from: gordo on September 05, 2025, 03:40:33 PMNice article on Ball in the Free Press today. Sounds like O'shea really likes this kid and his explosiveness. Grew up a major Rider fan but lots of Bomber Ball jerseys in his family now.

I can't believe Ballsy would ever put on a Blue jersey.  He just wouldn't do it.  Even for his son!

I bet when Ball got drafted by WPG the whole family groaned.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2025, 02:38:04 AMI can't believe Ballsy would ever put on a Blue jersey.  He just wouldn't do it.  Even for his son!

I bet when Ball got drafted by WPG the whole family groaned.

He posted a pic of himself in a Bomber jersey on socials almost immediately.

Quote from: Jesse on September 06, 2025, 02:54:37 AMHe posted a pic of himself in a Bomber jersey on socials almost immediately.

Wow.  I guess SSK fans can't hate him much more anyhow... why not go all in!

Quote from: Jesse on September 06, 2025, 02:54:37 AMHe posted a pic of himself in a Bomber jersey on socials almost immediately.

I think he had a twitter post about buying 13 Bomber jerseys for everyone he's related to.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 06, 2025, 03:00:03 AMI think he had a twitter post about buying 13 Bomber jerseys for everyone he's related to.

LOL, I can imagine the scenes & looks around the tree that Christmas morning!

Reminds me of the time we hired Ron Lancaster Jr as an assistant coach. Shortly after he showed up at his dad's house for a holiday dinner in a Bomber Jersey. Frowns turned to laughs though.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2025, 02:36:48 AMI've seen nothing by Ball to make him look better than any other promising rookie DP.  Hallett is our speed ST edge rusher and kick blocker.  He has some unique skills: crazy twitch, crazy accel.  He's also a speed guy to catch loose returners.

The only reason you would prefer Ball right now to Hallett is if you think Ball can be a starter or near-starter on D within 1-2 years.  Hallett has shown he's last choice to play FS, and won't get any better.  So which is it: special ST talent NOW, or potential legit D option guy LATER.

Upside over experience. Lower SMS hit all come into play. I don't know whether Ball will ever be a starter. It's too early to tell.

What we do know is that Hallett will no longer be expected to fill that role. Both are probably behind Kelly at the moment.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2025, 01:49:08 PMUpside over experience. Lower SMS hit all come into play. I don't know whether Ball will ever be a starter. It's too early to tell.

What we do know is that Hallett will no longer be expected to fill that role. Both are probably behind Kelly at the moment.

I didn't dig into the previous game day thread to see if anyone picked up on Allen's big whiff on the Nield TD, but on replay that was a terrible decision on his part.  If he had gone for the sure tackle over the knockdown Nield would have been down 30 yds. away from the endzone.  Nichols miss on the final tackle was forgivable as he came all the way across the field to get a shot and couldn't get a solid grasp on him.