History doesn't mean very much, especially when the Blue Bombers love to live in the here and now.
The Riders appear to be favoured in Sunday's game but the Bombers have faced similar situations and have been the superior team.
Ed Tait, in his 48-Hour Primer, talks about some of that history and the Bomber resolve when it comes to the Labour Day Classic...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/08/29/48-hour-primer-labour-day-classic-2/
Some interesting footnotes/results in previous LDC games...
"TRENDS, BIG WINS, BLOWOUT LOSSES, NAILBITERS
This will be the 60th LDC held in Regina. Some background:
The Blue Bombers have won three of the last four LDC, the lone loss in that stretch a 32-30 loss in OT in 2023. Prior to that the Riders owned Labour Day, with an 11-game winning streak from 2005-15 and having won 14 of 15 over a stretch from 2005-19.
Winnipeg's biggest LDC win was a 31-point victory in 1997 (43-12)
Some of the Blue Bombers most lopsided losses have occurred in the LDC, including a 52-0 loss in 2012 — the first game after Paul LaPolice had been fired — another 52-point loss in 1995 (56-4) and a 44-point loss in 1990 (55-11).
A dozen LDCs have been decided by a field goal or less, including four of the last five.
Zach Collaros is 7-1 in his career in Labour Day starts, including his days in Hamilton and Saskatchewan. That ties him with Bo Levi Mitchell for the most wins by a quarterback in LDC starts.
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More game news and depth charts tomorrow. Let's Go Bombers!
60th eh! That is cool. 8)
No Kramdi or Adams on D. Not good. Demski and Schoen on offense is good though. Looks like the load management is off Lawson. He's going to need to play a ton to make the Lawson, Schmekel and Thomas all Canadian interior work.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 30, 2025, 02:20:49 PMNo Kramdi or Adams on D. Not good. Demski and Schoen on offense is good though. Looks like the load management is off Lawson. He's going to need to play a ton to make the Lawson, Schmekel and Thomas all Canadian interior work.
No Adams on D?
omg, and still no Houston?!?!
We really should accept that we are going to take the L this week.
Adjust your expectations and understand the riders will probably win by two touchdowns. They will really want this game, it's the LDC, they are at home and we have injury issues.
https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/WINNIPEG-at-SASKATCHEWAN_AUGUST-31.pdf
Depth Chart
No Houston.
Schoen and Demiski are in.
Cam Allen starts at Safety.
Two Canadians at DT (Lawson/Thomas).
Quote from: Jesse on August 30, 2025, 02:27:40 PMomg, and still no Houston?!?!
Vaval has been really good on the boundary. Unless he has a clunker I'm not sure how you move him out of there. Plus he's the best returner we have so he does double duty. Lawson over Houston at field is interesting.
What the heck, something is wrong at multiple levels.
No Houston, No Woods, No Makonzo
So Cobb was added due to Kramdi being moved to 1 game IR. Woodbey added due to Adams being moved to PR.
Woodbey? Are we serious that we needed another LB? J. Jones also moved to PR but I'm not sure if that happened this week and not last week? Will he get any reps on defence? I'd take that Griffin moves to SAM, so perhaps Woodbey takes on his previous role.
Choices aside, I don't get why a player like Makonzo practices at " full " and is not considered to be added especially when Kramdi is moved to IR. Because he was extended to a 2nd sting on 6 game IR, I thought he was eligible to come off and NOT have any of his SMs charged? Perhaps I'm incorrect. Regardless, is he ever going to play?
Previously I questioned why some injured players go on 1 game IR when it's clear they can't practice. Now that same question falls to Parker who will miss his 4th game and cannot practice. Makes zero sense when he needed crutches after his injury. Wasn't that enough info to 6 game IR him immediately?
Both Adams and Woods have been demoted to PR in recent weeks. Doesn't that suggest it's time to bring in a new candidate for the PR and cut one or the other?
WOW. That's all else I can say.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 30, 2025, 03:09:07 PMWhat the heck, something is wrong at multiple levels. One Canadian and one import off the roster with no apparent additions mentioned.
No Houston, No Woods, No Makonzo
Three off and three on.
Kramdi, Sterns, Adams off.
Woodbey, Schoen, Cobb on.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 30, 2025, 03:02:31 PMVaval has been really good on the boundary. Unless he has a clunker I'm not sure how you move him out of there. Plus he's the best returner we have so he does double duty. Lawson over Houston at field is interesting.
Never expected Vaval to be moved.
That all Canadian DT rotation is brutal. Would be much better having Adams or Woods or both in.
some strange moves/nonmoves
Houston not in - ok maybes he's not ready yet the coaches would know, but who's the back up db if lawson gets torched or for injury? Kelly? (shuddering)
Woodbey in adams out.. I really liked him but unless were going for a 4 3 defense how do we go with only 7 down linemen,,they will be gassed by the 4th qtr. most teams go with 8 or 9
Adams hasn't done a much in recent games and was often being rotated out, but the lack of confidence in Woods means we better bring in some dts and soon. It also means that on a lot of sets we will be running with two nonimports on the line.
Cobbs in for Corcacon I like at least he has some speed. Corcaron was a good story that just didnt work in prime time.
the roster decisions are strange and throws into suspect our recruiting/pr
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 30, 2025, 03:21:04 AMHistory doesn't mean very much, especially when the Blue Bombers love to live in the here and now.
The Riders appear to be favoured in Sunday's game but the Bombers have faced similar situations and have been the superior team.
Ed Tait, in his 48-Hour Primer, talks about some of that history and the Bomber resolve when it comes to the Labour Day Classic...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/08/29/48-hour-primer-labour-day-classic-2/
Some interesting footnotes/results in previous LDC games...
"TRENDS, BIG WINS, BLOWOUT LOSSES, NAILBITERS
This will be the 60th LDC held in Regina. Some background:
The Blue Bombers have won three of the last four LDC, the lone loss in that stretch a 32-30 loss in OT in 2023. Prior to that the Riders owned Labour Day, with an 11-game winning streak from 2005-15 and having won 14 of 15 over a stretch from 2005-19.
Winnipeg's biggest LDC win was a 31-point victory in 1997 (43-12)
Some of the Blue Bombers most lopsided losses have occurred in the LDC, including a 52-0 loss in 2012 — the first game after Paul LaPolice had been fired — another 52-point loss in 1995 (56-4) and a 44-point loss in 1990 (55-11).
A dozen LDCs have been decided by a field goal or less, including four of the last five.
Zach Collaros is 7-1 in his career in Labour Day starts, including his days in Hamilton and Saskatchewan. That ties him with Bo Levi Mitchell for the most wins by a quarterback in LDC starts.
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More game news and depth charts tomorrow. Let's Go Bombers!
Not going to expect a win tomorrow. Hope the Bombers can keep the game a little interesting and not get blown out early. In looking at the starting line up I have to really wonder about our recruiting this year. From what I can see with the ins and outs this is a very weak defense with not much talent there. Hopefully optimistic but this one may not be very close.
It sounds simple. Win the back to back against the Riders and we're back in the fight for 1st and 2nd. Lose the season series and we'll be fighting for 3rd and / or a crossover.
This game sets the table one way or another. Winning the 1st of 3 games gives us a better chance to win the series.
As mentioned, losing and losing potentially in a blow out and the questioning of recruitment and coaching comes into the light.
This is depressing. Prove me wrong please.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 30, 2025, 03:09:07 PMWhat the heck, something is wrong at multiple levels.
No Houston, No Woods, No Makonzo
So Cobb was added due to Kramdi being moved to 1 game IR. Woodbey added due to Adams being moved to PR.
Woodbey? Are we serious that we needed another LB? J. Jones also moved to PR but I'm not sure if that happened this week and not last week? Will he get any reps on defence? I'd take that Griffin moves to SAM, so perhaps Woodbey takes on his previous role.
Choices aside, I don't get why a player like Makonzo practices at " full " and is not considered to be added especially when Kramdi is moved to IR. Because he was extended to a 2nd sting on 6 game IR, I thought he was eligible to come off and NOT have any of his SMs charged? Perhaps I'm incorrect. Regardless, is he ever going to play?
Previously I questioned why some injured players go on 1 game IR when it's clear they can't practice. Now that same question falls to Parker who will miss his 4th game and cannot practice. Makes zero sense when he needed crutches after his injury. Wasn't that enough info to 6 game IR him immediately?
Both Adams and Woods have been demoted to PR in recent weeks. Doesn't that suggest it's time to bring in a new candidate for the PR and cut one or the other?
WOW. That's all else I can say.
Wow is right, this is a time I'd like to hear the club explain some of these moves instead of fans left to speculate with little knowledge or reasoning. Both Adams and Woods demoted to the PR? Obviously they've fallen short of expectations but that's not something easily picked up from watching them play. Schmeck has essentially usurped both of them, maybe it comes down to effort or attitude?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 30, 2025, 04:02:00 PMWow is right, this is a time I'd like to hear the club explain some of these moves instead of fans left to speculate with little knowledge or reasoning. Both Adams and Woods demoted to the PR? Obviously they've fallen short of expectations but that's not something easily picked up from watching them play. Schmeck has essentially usurped both of them, maybe it comes down to effort or attitude?
It might have less to do with Adams and more to do with Kramdi being hurt and potentially running a 3-4 at the Harris short passing game?
That would make some sense.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 30, 2025, 04:06:22 PMIt might have less to do with Adams and more to do with Kramdi being hurt and potentially running a 3-4 at the Harris short passing game?
That would make some sense.
Ratio??? Maybe, that's the downside of not having an excess of Natl's that can start, when injury hits everything gets squeezed. Would have been a good time to try Bailey in place of Person, that would have opened the door for another import elsewhere at the cost of a Natl.
Funny they're not using the 1-game IR to park non-injured players as much as they were earlier, Vanterpool is the only one living rent free on there now. Makonzo is still listed on the 6-game IR.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 30, 2025, 04:30:23 PMRatio??? Maybe, that's the downside of not having an excess of Natl's that can start, when injury hits everything gets squeezed. Would have been a good time to try Bailey in place of Person, that would have opened the door for another import elsewhere at the cost of a Natl.
Funny they're not using the 1-game IR to park non-injured players as much as they were earlier, Vanterpool is the only one living rent free on there now. Makonzo is still listed on the 6-game IR.
What other import? We just added Woodbey which already seemed like the surprise of the week.Woods, Adams and J.Jones all demoted to PR. None of Moore, Echols or Houston are ready it seems.
Bailey could have been added as a direct replacement for Weitz.
Regardless of the outcome this week I'd expect to see a couple of new faces added to the PR this week now that NFL teams have filled their PR spots. There has to be some talent available to replace those found wanting.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 30, 2025, 04:06:22 PMIt might have less to do with Adams and more to do with Kramdi being hurt and potentially running a 3-4 at the Harris short passing game?
That would make some sense.
We seem to have been already doing that a lot. I want to see how Woodbey fits in if he's used at all. He's not even shown ahead of Weitz on the depth chart at WIL. I know the depth chart is next to useless. Losing Kramdi means we lose what Griffin did in his previous role. I'm afraid we'll see Kelly or Ball see more defensive reps before Woodbey.
This weekend we may see Wilson and Elgersma make their decisions about the NFL or a return to the CFL. At the moment it seems they are leaning towards staying in the hunt for an NFL PR.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on August 30, 2025, 04:59:13 PMWe seem to have been already doing that a lot. I want to see how Woodbey fits in if he's used at all. He's not even shown ahead of Weitz on the depth chart at WIL. I know the depth chart is next to useless. Losing Kramdi means we lose what Griffin did in his previous role. I'm afraid we'll see Kelly or Ball see more defensive reps before Woodbey.
Don't know if we'll see Woodbey, but if they play 3-4 a lot we might as the extra LB. I could be wrong but I believe the only position Griffin ever plays is SAM, he comes on whenever Kramdi drops back to Safety. Without Kramdi worried about mixups happening in the coverage, I think we'll see a fair amount of Kelly coming on as the 2nd Safety maybe he can take on that job.
Dalton Schoen officially returns for Winnipeg Blue Bombers for Labour Day Classic
By John Hodge -August 30, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers will have Dalton Schoen back in the lineup on Sunday against the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the Labour Day Classic.
The 28-year-old caught 17 passes for 197 yards and one touchdown over the team's first four regular-season games but suffered a knee injury against the Calgary Stampeders in Week 5 that forced him to miss six straight matchups.
The six-foot-one, 205-pound target missed most of last season due to a torn ACL, playing only three regular-season games and recording 14 catches for 159 yards. Schoen has played only seven of a possible 28 regular-season outings since the start of last year.
The native of Overland Park, Kan. was named All-CFL in his first two CFL seasons and was named the league's Most Outstanding Rookie in 2022. He made a combined 141 receptions over those two years for 2,663 yards and 26 touchdowns.
Schoen will start at field-side slotback beside Nic Demski, who was limited in practice this week due to a head injury. Jerreth Sterns, who started the first 10 games of the season in Schoen's new spot, has been moved to the one-game injured list with a shoulder injury. University of Manitoba product Gavin Cobb, who has dressed for only one game so far this year, has been promoted from the practice roster to be Demski's backup.
The Blue Bombers have also made two changes to their starting lineup on defence as defensive tackle Devin Adams has been demoted to the practice roster, giving Cameron Lawson the start. The 26-year-old native of Caledon, Ont. will start alongside veteran Jake Thomas, giving Winnipeg's defensive line an all-Canadian interior.
Redha Kramdi, who has started all 10 games for Winnipeg this season at safety or strong-side linebacker, has been moved to the one-game injured list due to an ankle injury. The Université de Montréal product has been a mainstay in the team's starting lineup since 2023 and has made 117 defensive tackles, 18 special teams tackles, four sacks, and one forced fumble since being taken in the second round of the 2021 CFL Draft.
Rookie linebacker Jaiden Woodbey will make his regular-season debut after being promoted to the active roster. The six-foot-one, 234-pound native of Fontana, Calif. was a standout with the Massachusetts Pirates of the Indoor Football League last year and is listed as Winnipeg's fourth-string weak-side linebacker. Woodbey was twice named All-ACC honourable mention during his collegiate career at Boston College.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6-4) will visit the Saskatchewan Roughriders (8-2) at Mosaic Stadium on Sunday, August 31 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off back-to-back wins against Ottawa and Montreal, while the Roughriders had their four-game winning streak snapped by the Stampeders.
The weather forecast in Regina calls for a high of 27 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and 620 CKRM in Regina.
https://3downnation.com/2025/08/30/dalton-schoen-officially-returns-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers-in-labour-day-classic/
Returner Mario Alford back for Saskatchewan Roughriders in Labour Day Classic
By 3Down Staff -August 30, 2025
The Saskatchewan Roughriders will be getting a big boost to their return game ahead of the Labour Day Classic.
Veteran returner Mario Alford will make his return to the lineup after missing the last five games with a hip injury. The 34-year-old overcame questions about his job security in training camp to produce a hot start to the season, averaging 12.1 yards per punt return and 30.9 yards per kickoff, while taking one to the house in Week 3.
Also back for the special teams unit is leading tackler Nick Wiebe, who sat out last week with a knee injury. Defensive back Antoine Brooks Jr. will sit out as a healthy scratch, while rookie returner Drae McCray has been placed on the one-game injured list due to a head injury.
Defensively, the team will be without starting safety Nelson Lokombo this week due to an ankle injury, with backup Jaxon Ford stepping into the role. Boundary cornerback Marcus Sayles is back in theory, though he remains a game-time decision for the second week with a hip injury.
Canadian receiver Ajou Ajou will make his season debut after being cut by the Indianapolis Colts earlier this week, though he remains listed as a backup to Tommy Nield. Mitch Picton will be a healthy scratch as a result.
The Saskatchewan Roughriders (8-2) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6-4) at Mosaic Stadium on Sunday, August 31 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off back-to-back wins against Ottawa and Montreal, while the Roughriders had their four-game winning streak snapped by the Stampeders.
The weather forecast in Regina calls for a high of 29 degrees with a mix of sun and cloud. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and 620 CKRM in Regina.
https://3downnation.com/2025/08/30/returner-mario-alford-back-for-saskatchewan-roughriders-in-labour-day-classic/
Prediction - first play of the game they fake to Oullette, throw the deep pass to whoever Lawson is covering destroying his confidence so they can pick on him the entire game
Quote from: Pete on August 30, 2025, 05:32:18 PMPrediction - first play of the game they fake to Oullette, throw the deep pass to whoever Lawson is covering destroying his confidence so they can pick on him the entire game
Solution: play one, park Lawson on a short zone and run a two deep shell.
Quote from: Pete on August 30, 2025, 05:32:18 PMPrediction - first play of the game they fake to Oullette, throw the deep pass to whoever Lawson is covering destroying his confidence so they can pick on him the entire game
Yeah, this sounds about right.
They're getting ready....
Why would we add Woodbey (whoever that is) over Houston?
Do we really need a 10th LB before we need a single back-up in the secondary?
Quote from: Jesse on August 30, 2025, 06:26:34 PMWhy would we add Woodbey (whoever that is) over Houston?
Do we really need a 10th LB before we need a single back-up in the secondary?
Why would we add Woodbey instead of Adams or Woods. Houston should be in for Lawson. Loosing Kramdi is going to hurt.
Bombers: 9 LBs, 7 DL.
Riders: 7 LBs, 9 DL.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 30, 2025, 06:39:19 PMWhy would we add Woodbey instead of Adams or Woods. Houston should be in for Lawson. Loosing Kramdi is going to hurt.
Bombers: 9 LBs, 7 DL.
Riders: 7 LBs, 9 DL.
Look at the positions their Head coaches played...
Actually I don't think that's it, we seem to roster less true D-lineman than any team in the league.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 30, 2025, 06:39:19 PMWhy would we add Woodbey instead of Adams or Woods. Houston should be in for Lawson. Loosing Kramdi is going to hurt.
Bombers: 9 LBs, 7 DL.
Riders: 7 LBs, 9 DL.
You're counting Ayers as a DL.
It's really 10 and 6.
And no one to back up at CB.
Woodby is likely taking that 7th db role that Griffen and then Allen were filling previously.
Better question, why keep Ayers on just to play teams which is all he really does?
The truth is only 4 of them spend much time at linebacker. The other 6 spend almost all their time on specials. ? Influence of Miller and O'Shea as a previous ST coach?
Quote from: bunker on August 30, 2025, 07:00:17 PMThe truth is only 4 of them spend much time at linebacker. The other 6 spend almost all their time on specials. ? Influence of Miller and O'Shea as a previous ST coach?
I don't know if they have a ST chart, but I'd like to see how they use these players to get a better understanding of Miller's roster decisions. It'd be great if LaPo could do a podcast breakdown on ST's.
Andrew Harris interview about the LDC.
https://www.riderville.com/2025/08/29/andrew-harris-excited-to-experience-labour-day-classic-tradition-from-new-perspective/ (https://www.riderville.com/2025/08/29/andrew-harris-excited-to-experience-labour-day-classic-tradition-from-new-perspective/)
lawson is likely good for two torchings and vaval one. just gotta keep pace with our offence and keep our defence off the field as much as possible.
couple turnovers by sask and maybe a special teams TD and we can squeak one out on the road even with giving up some big yardage plays
How is it that our scouting team hasn't been able to find one defensive lineman in 4 years that we can effectively start?
And the other thing is we bring in like 25 rookie dbs, to training camp and maybe 3 dlinemen.
We use our top 2 draft picks on linebackers, and when we have an injury we take out a import dlineman
Our gm has reached an expiry date
The bombers have a very unstable roster, in that the efficiency level, hasn't been there on a consistent basis. The Riders, seem to have better ,more consistent simply better players. So far.
It seems that in the last while, these past early season games, are like exhibition games. This second half of the season, again seeks to provide an opportunity to gain a better record. It seems,s in the past few years, in the East, teams have not played well. But in the second, Montreal, Toronto, have turned awful starts, into grey Cup wins.
People, mainly QBs have been out with injuries, but then they regain their health, and the teams
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 30, 2025, 06:50:03 PMWoodby is likely taking that 7th db role that Griffen and then Allen were filling previously.
Better question, why keep Ayers on just to play teams which is all he really does?
I have no idea either. He's a legitimately good kick cover guy but I'm not sure what else he does for us.
You'd think at minimum, a guy like that could slot in and be a blitzing linebacker sometimes. With his speed and physicality he'd probably be good for a few QB hits a game.
Not sure why he's not and we don't.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 30, 2025, 09:14:02 PMI have no idea either. He's a legitimately good kick cover guy but I'm not sure what else he does for us.
You'd think at minimum, a guy like that could slot in and be a blitzing linebacker sometimes. With his speed and physicality he'd probably be good for a few QB hits a game.
Not sure why he's not and we don't.
When he does play on the D-line, that's his job. He seems to have taken over the role Cole used to perform. Thought he would eventually replace Kyrie at WIL, but now they have multiple choices, so nothing is clear.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 30, 2025, 07:08:02 PMI don't know if they have a ST chart, but I'd like to see how they use these players to get a better understanding of Miller's roster decisions. It'd be great if LaPo could do a podcast breakdown on ST's.
I was curious about this also, so rewatched the last game against Montreal.
There are 7 players that play on pretty much all kickoffs, kickoff returns, punts and punt returns: 39,34,49,16,29,47,44.
50 plays on kickoffs and kickoff returns, but no punts or punt returns.
81 plays on kickoffs and kickoff returns, and also punt returns, but not on punts.
25 is on for punts returns, some punts, kickoff returns, but not kickoffs.
0 is on for kickoffs, but not for kickoff returns. He is on for punt returns, but not on punts.
31 was on for one kickoff that I saw, but no punts or kickoff returns.
33 was on for some punts, but no punt returns and no kickoffs.
32 is on for punts, and is a gunner, along with 39 and 16.
94 was on for at least 3 out of 4 punt returns, and 2 kickoff returns but no kickoffs or punts
For field goals it gets more complicated. When we kick field goals, we bring in beef (96,65,95,61,69,94), with 3 each on either side of 42, long snapper. Plus we have 47,44,49, holder and kicker. When we are "receiving" field goals, we have 94,93,95,96, plus a lot of the regular D (32,23,27,33,1,19) plus 47 and 49. WJ5 was out for one field goal received that I saw also.
Converts are hard to see the numbers on. When we kick them, we have 96,94,69,95 47,44, plus long snapper, holder, and kicker plus? I think when we received converts, the numbers may be similar to field goals but tough to see.
Overall, things may vary a bit from game to game (for example with Woods out), and I may have gotten the odd number wrong, but hopefully it gives you a sense of where people are lining up. The why of it is sometimes a bit hard to figure. Allen is on the kickoff coverage team, but not the kickoff return team, which makes sense, since his speed and tackling are an asset, but he's probably not much of a blocker. Yet he's on the punt return team for every punt I saw, but never came on for punt coverage.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 30, 2025, 09:19:01 PMWhen he does play on the D-line, that's his job. He seems to have taken over the role Cole used to perform. Thought he would eventually replace Kyrie at WIL, but now they have multiple choices, so nothing is clear.
Thing is Derek Taylor has mentioned that Ayers has only played an average of 2-3 snaps per game all year on D, believe its low 20s for the entire season and its always in short yardage. Poor use of a DI.
Starting 8 Nats, so no real reason Adams couldn't start. Maybe he's sick.
Or we are admitting we won't get to the qb, and instead are going pure lane block and batdowns. Not a bad idea because their ol probably far outmatches our dl, and Trevor will get rid of the ball fast 95 percent of the time.
Not surprised Houston not starting. It's the mos way.
I think our DBs will do fine.
OL being consistent for several weeks is a good thing.
Shoen being in will scare them a bit. As long as his knee holds up.
We should try cheetah a few times early to try to knock definitely not concussed Trevor to the turf, maybe he can show us the leg cramp zombie dance again.
Sask is only stronger with their roster changes. Not looking good. They are loading up everything to make sure they win at home. We'll probably do similar next week.
We could win with this roster, but not easy or likely. Unless Trevor goes out...
It's just as likely Zach goes out in the battle of the retirement home QBs.
We can beat the Riders with Harris and I think it's going to be a close game.
And for everyone STILL talking about your online diagnosis of a Trevor Harris concussion, Nic Demski was probably out cold on the field a week ago, looked 400 times more concussed than Harris looked, and he's playing tomorrow so regardless if he has a concussion or not, (he probably didn't), it doesn't really matter now.
Keys to the game..
- keep Harris off balance, hit him early
- Need to get pressure with 4 man fronts or 3 and 1 linebacker. Harris is so good at quick release cant give up a lot on coverage
- on offense Lots of play action anything to give Zach time as he can go deep on rider defense
- win turnover battle
Quote from: Pete on August 30, 2025, 05:32:18 PMPrediction - first play of the game they fake to Oullette, throw the deep pass to whoever Lawson is covering destroying his confidence so they can pick on him the entire game
Prediction maybe a positive outcome early happens and the D slowly builds some consistency from a similar back end for a couple of games.
Quote from: Pete on August 30, 2025, 08:10:48 PMHow is it that our scouting team hasn't been able to find one defensive lineman in 4 years that we can effectively start?
And the other thing is we bring in like 25 rookie dbs, to training camp and maybe 3 dlinemen.
We use our top 2 draft picks on linebackers, and when we have an injury we take out a import dlineman
Our gm has reached an expiry date
We have had a number of good players on the DL that we brought in over the last 4 years.
Our depth at LB is our strength and will serve us well for years to come
Our GM has consistently built a solid club
Yes they all have an expiry dates but I see a few more years left here
Quote from: The Zipp on August 30, 2025, 07:49:50 PMlawson is likely good for two torchings and vaval one. just gotta keep pace with our offence and keep our defence off the field as much as possible.
couple turnovers by sask and maybe a special teams TD and we can squeak one out on the road even with giving up some big yardage plays
Lawson will be tested a lot and will hang in there
Vaval will play fine
As expected Houston will take a few weeks. Suggesting he would be ready out of the box was wishful thinking by some.
Only worry for me is no Kramdi. Woodbey might get some reps and a good backup option who is versatile. I am guessing but obviously showing enough to get a taste of game action.
Ayers will make a few plays.
Not worried about the DL at all. Group is trending up. 3-4 will work well and bring the heat with the variety of LBs we have or an occasional DB or safety. Work the zone coverage and make em work for it.
This is an incredibly difficult place to win and the odds are stacked against us but if the O is rolling, OL and RB be cooking we be fine. Gut tells me we make it hard on em, not sure why. More about the weakness they showed against the Stamps.
Quote from: Jesse on August 30, 2025, 06:45:45 PMYou're counting Ayers as a DL.
It's really 10 and 6.
And no one to back up at CB.
This is true, and it's going to a very hot day. Our DL could be dead tired by half time. To have a chance at winning this game, the 3 Canadians on the DL are going to have to have an outstanding game.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 01:49:16 AMIt's just as likely Zach goes out in the battle of the retirement home QBs.
Oh, I know that. But, there's a difference. Zach didn't just get his bell rung last week. Twice.
When Zach takes that same hit & fall we almost always sit him an entire 2 weeks (1 game). Riders are just like "meh". Oh ya, and Zach always leaves the game immediately, unlike Trevor.
When you just took a concussion (even a "light" one) you are far more vulnerable to a big whopper if you take another hit. Instead of having to take the week off, now you're out for 3 or 4.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 01:49:16 AMAnd for everyone STILL talking about your online diagnosis of a Trevor Harris concussion, Nic Demski was probably out cold on the field a week ago, looked 400 times more concussed than Harris looked, and he's playing tomorrow so regardless if he has a concussion or not, (he probably didn't), it doesn't really matter now.
Big difference. Demski is 9 years younger and has little history of concussion. Trevor is a geriatric who has taken too many CTE hits like most every other QB who plays over 35.
The thing is, SSK may be betting their whole season on Trevor not getting his bell rung again. If he's out for 4 weeks they ain't winning anything with Maier, who looked worse in SSK than he did in CGY!
Interesting... We're dressing 2 backup RECs this time. Yet Demski isn't GTD. Are we thinking it's likely one of Schoen/Demski may not make it through the whole game? They take one whack and we pull 'em? Don't want to risk aggravating something given all the games coming up?
Also, Sayles isn't "on", he's GTD. He'll likely play, but it's not guaranteed. He really likes to hit hard this season, so it would be better if he was out, from a WPG injury perspective. Luckily he should be matched against Wheatie most of the game, and he's probably the "least injured" REC we have right now.
Check out our RECs to their DB matchups. I like how we're putting our weaker ones at boundary with Sayles/Milligan. That leaves our 2 beasts on field side to feast on the much weaker Fields/Campbell. Oh ya, and weak Ford at FS.
I think we'll be doing a lot of strong side plays today, maybe some posts. We could have the boundary guys just always do shorts/clearing to free up deep crossers behind them.
On paper (if healthy) our starting RECs are miles better than SSK's weak corps. They basically have Johnson, and he gets to fight with Nichols all night. Good luck with that.
Our DB corps actually looks good matched up with these RECs. I think Trevor will have to stick with a 90%-short game. He will have all day, but he's going to have to be very careful.
Expect a HEAVY run attack by SSK. They'll keep pounding and trying to see if something can break loose by the 2nd H. If we stop the run and frustrate the SSK short game a few times (dialing Willie J!), we could really limit SSK's scoring ability.
I would aim for giving Oullette a big avg (like 5-6) but making sure we stop all but 1-2 explosions (12Y+). That also helps control the crowd, who find 5Y runs "boring", but 20Y runs electrifying.
Bottom line: we could win this, especially if our OL can buy Zach decent time and keep him clean. Our RECs + QB can do major damage. Brady might have a hard day, though. It will help if we can get SSK D focused hard on pass rush instead of run stop.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 31, 2025, 02:30:28 AMOnly worry for me is no Kramdi.
Yes, same here.... also, keeping Zach upright. Kolankowski can be pushed back and run around at times.
Need to get the Brady train going, run/pass. Our O line can do that.
Avoid holding the ball looking for a for a Forty five yard completion.
Quote from: markf on August 31, 2025, 01:44:04 PMAvoid holding the ball looking for a for a Forty five yard completion.
But I think that's the key to the win. Maybe not 45, but we need a good chunk of 25+ to the field. That's where out best matchup lies. And only by loosening up the D deep and wide will any of the rest of our O get open.
We can't win a dink & dunk battle trying to pretend we're T.Harris & the SSK O plan. That DL will stop the run and eat us alive.
Quote from: markf on August 31, 2025, 01:44:04 PMYes, same here.... also, keeping Zach upright. Kolankowski can be pushed back and run around at times.
Need to get the Brady train going, run/pass. Our O line can do that.
Avoid holding the ball looking for a for a Forty five yard completion.
Yes protecting Zach and Brady bully ball keys. Yup holding on to ball too long has always been a weakness of Zachs. He used to do superman scrambles or hero throws and it worked for him in his early to mid 30s but now he needs to check down or throw away to avoid sacks and injury. That said our deep ball is critical as we need big plays and it sets up Brady to eat.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 31, 2025, 03:45:34 AMThis is true, and it's going to a very hot day. Our DL could be dead tired by half time. To have a chance at winning this game, the 3 Canadians on the DL are going to have to have an outstanding game.
We need to estabilish a solid running game and dominate the time of possession. This will give our Dline a chance to be fresh when they are out there.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 09:05:50 AMCheck out our RECs to their DB matchups. I like how we're putting our weaker ones at boundary with Sayles/Milligan. That leaves our 2 beasts on field side to feast on the much weaker Fields/Campbell. Oh ya, and weak Ford at FS.
I think we'll be doing a lot of strong side plays today, maybe some posts. We could have the boundary guys just always do shorts/clearing to free up deep crossers behind them.
On paper (if healthy) our starting RECs are miles better than SSK's weak corps. They basically have Johnson, and he gets to fight with Nichols all night. Good luck with that.
Our DB corps actually looks good matched up with these RECs. I think Trevor will have to stick with a 90%-short game. He will have all day, but he's going to have to be very careful.
Expect a HEAVY run attack by SSK. They'll keep pounding and trying to see if something can break loose by the 2nd H. If we stop the run and frustrate the SSK short game a few times (dialing Willie J!), we could really limit SSK's scoring ability.
I would aim for giving Oullette a big avg (like 5-6) but making sure we stop all but 1-2 explosions (12Y+). That also helps control the crowd, who find 5Y runs "boring", but 20Y runs electrifying.
Bottom line: we could win this, especially if our OL can buy Zach decent time and keep him clean. Our RECs + QB can do major damage. Brady might have a hard day, though. It will help if we can get SSK D focused hard on pass rush instead of run stop.
I like what you are saying however the major flaw in your logic is that the Rider DL will eat our OL and correspondingly the Rider OL will not have any issues with the Bomber DL. They are better on both sides of then ball at least IMHO.
Why was Adams demoted to the PR?? He's been pretty solid at DT when he's played
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 31, 2025, 02:30:28 AMWe have had a number of good players on the DL that we brought in over the last 4 years.
Not trying to argue but I can't recall many. What names come to mind for you?
We brought in Vaughters who is a bit of a re-tread and only lately contributing much. Seems like we haven't unearthed and developed a solid DE starter from training camp in a number of years. Another Tom Canada must be out there.
And I see that Houston is now sitting on the stool in the corner that Mitchell finally managed to vacate. Another guy we sorely needed to dress. MOS sure is set in his ways.
Another Sergio walk off would be amazing.
tough game to win - hopefully no major injuries and we can keep it close.
Sask is better coached than with Dikenson so i don't think they will not be ready or fall apart.
games are won or lost in the trenches and i do think Sask has us there on both sides of the ball.
Quote from: gordo on August 31, 2025, 03:56:11 PMNot trying to argue but I can't recall many. What names come to mind for you?
We brought in Vaughters who is a bit of a re-tread and only lately contributing much. Seems like we haven't unearthed and developed a solid DE starter from training camp in a number of years. Another Tom Canada must be out there.
And I see that Houston is now sitting on the stool in the corner that Mitchell finally managed to vacate. Another guy we sorely needed to dress. MOS sure is set in his ways.
Another Sergio walk off would be amazing.
We developed Fox, Haba and Garbutt who might not meet the measuring stick by some but all showed flashes and are still employed I believe.
Vaughters has been great since the get go.
Houston needs time, we dress the best options each week and I like the patient approach.
Yesh a Tom Canada sounds great to me. A strong motor guy would be a welcome addition. I think Schmekel could be that guy but not at the same level.
Adams has a huge motor and yet he has been recently demoted to the PR, I just don't understand this move.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 31, 2025, 04:28:53 PMWe developed Fox, Haba and Garbutt who might not meet the measuring stick by some but all showed flashes and are still employed I believe.
Vaughters has been great since the get go.
Houston needs time, we dress the best options each week and I like the patient approach.
Yesh a Tom Canada sounds great to me. A strong motor guy would be a welcome addition. I think Schmekel could be that guy but not at the same level.
I'm not sure Fox, Haba and Garbutt are good examples. We didn't appear to re-sign them when they hit free agency. Is Haba still on a roster somewhere? Garbutt is on 6 game IR. Fox gets to play next to Sayles which would make a difference.
Bombers kept Adams and Woods and they've both been demoted to our PR.
Question:
Chicago took a chance on using the Fridge as a RB. And the surprise factor worked.
Using players at unconventional positions can be either stupidity or brilliance. See: Duron Carter
Here's my question.
We need a big upfield push to force Harris out of the pocket.
Who is our best "road grader".
Can we flip Wallace to NT with 3 DE's for a passing down here or there? Just let him barrel down field creating havoc in the pocket, letting the DE's hunt for the fleeing Harris?
Stupider ideas have been floated. Lol.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 05:32:19 PMQuestion:
Chicago took a chance on using the Fridge as a RB. And the surprise factor worked.
Using players at unconventional positions can be either stupidity or brilliance. See: Duron Carter
Here's my question.
We need a big upfield push to force Harris out of the pocket.
Who is our best "road grader".
Can we flip Wallace to NT with 3 DE's for a passing down here or there? Just let him barrel down field creating havoc in the pocket, letting the DE's hunt for the fleeing Harris?
Stupider ideas have been floated. Lol.
If he was still our 6th OL and not starting it's not the worst idea. OTOH we have 3 Canadian DT's on the roster and I'd think Lawson would be that guy.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 05:37:29 PMIf he was still our 6th OL and not starting it's not the worst idea. OTOH we have 3 Canadian DT's on the roster and I'd think Lawson would be that guy.
Lawson - 6'3 290
Wallace - 6'6 340
See the difference?
We don't have a 300+lb DL
Quote from: dd on August 31, 2025, 04:42:47 PMAdams has a huge motor and yet he has been recently demoted to the PR, I just don't understand this move.
Could be his endurance is not great, he puts out high energy but deflates quickly, which may explain limited reps later in games.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 05:39:59 PMLawson - 6'3 290
Wallace - 6'6 340
See the difference?
We don't have a 300+lb DL
It's not a question of weight. It's a question of letting a player have roles on both sides of the ball. Yes we do have some players that are on offence and ST's.
An OL is an every down player on offence so adding extra is more problematic for a 340 lb player than a 190 lb returner.
Lawson is a DL and has different skill sets than an OL. He may be faster and quicker than a bigger bulkier guy.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2025, 05:48:51 PMCould be his endurance is not great, he puts out high energy but deflates quickly, which may explain limited reps later in games.
All I know is when he's in the game, he's a force. A real force/the only force we have from the interior
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 06:14:36 PMIt's not a question of weight. It's a question of letting a player have roles on both sides of the ball. Yes we do have some players that are on offence and ST's.
An OL is an every down player on offence so adding extra is more problematic for a 340 lb player than a 190 lb returner.
Lawson is a DL and has different skill sets than an OL. He may be faster and quicker than a bigger bulkier guy.
In the last podcast Neufeld revealed that on the Montreal roadtrip Wallace ate a Tomahawk steak on his own after eating a couple of appetizers.
This is how a Tomahawk is defined.
"A Tomahawk steak is a large bone-in ribeye cut, typically 2 to 3 inches thick and weighing between 2.5 to 4 pounds (approximately 1.1 to 1.8 kg), though weights can vary from 30 to 60 ounces depending on the animal and butcher. This large portion is usually enough to serve 2 to 3 people."
I believe Wallace had a 40 ouncer. I checked the restaurant's menu. lol
Also , I didn't realize player's per diems have increased so much.
That steak is listed as 150 bucks.
Quote from: dd on August 31, 2025, 06:26:23 PMAll I know is when he's in the game, he's a force. A real force/the only force we have from the interior
'last 3 games he hasn't been noticeable, can't seem to shed a block and gets pushed out of the way . Younger wants the pressure and wouldn't have been putting in Smeckle if Adams was performing. He looked good the first few games not sure what's happened to him
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 06:14:36 PMIt's not a question of weight. It's a question of letting a player have roles on both sides of the ball. Yes we do have some players that are on offence and ST's.
An OL is an every down player on offence so adding extra is more problematic for a 340 lb player than a 190 lb returner.
Lawson is a DL and has different skill sets than an OL. He may be faster and quicker than a bigger bulkier guy.
You miss my point.
Like the Fridge, its one play or two a game.
Its not a matter of faster or quicker, its sheer mass bowling the Oline into the backfield.
Disruption.
I think any Olineman would love the chance to bang like a Dline once a game. No worries about holding, just sheer mayhem.
Quote from: Pete on August 31, 2025, 06:58:58 PM'last 3 games he hasn't been noticeable, can't seem to shed a block and gets pushed out of the way . Younger wants the pressure and wouldn't have been putting in Smeckle if Adams was performing. He looked good the first few games not sure what's happened to him
Don't know anything about Adams background but some of these bigger players may have been fat non-athletic kids who took up the game in high shcool mostly because of their size, often coerced into doing so by a coach, rather than driven by the desire to compete. Others like JT could be hefty farm boys who did physical labour and competed in athletics growing up and developed their lungs, heart and muscle mass early on which could lead to a significant advantage with their motor. Eg. Playing hockey vs baseball makes a huge difference in cardio ability.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 05:32:19 PMQuestion:
Chicago took a chance on using the Fridge as a RB. And the surprise factor worked.
Using players at unconventional positions can be either stupidity or brilliance. See: Duron Carter
Here's my question.
We need a big upfield push to force Harris out of the pocket.
Who is our best "road grader".
Can we flip Wallace to NT with 3 DE's for a passing down here or there? Just let him barrel down field creating havoc in the pocket, letting the DE's hunt for the fleeing Harris?
Stupider ideas have been floated. Lol.
Take a promising young starting Canadian olineman and turn him into a DT? That idea is all kinds of STUPID.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 07:10:50 PMYou miss my point.
Like the Fridge, its one play or two a game.
Its not a matter of faster or quicker, its sheer mass bowling the Oline into the backfield.
Disruption.
I think any Olineman would love the chance to bang like a Dline once a game. No worries about holding, just sheer mayhem.
I didn't miss anything. Getting to the QB is more often a matter of speed and technique, not sheer size.
The " Fridge " was used to crash though the DL in order to get 1-2 yards where there is no 1 yard off the ball.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 31, 2025, 04:28:53 PMWe developed Fox, Haba and Garbutt who might not meet the measuring stick by some but all showed flashes and are still employed I believe.
Vaughters has been great since the get go.
Houston needs time, we dress the best options each week and I like the patient approach.
Yesh a Tom Canada sounds great to me. A strong motor guy would be a welcome addition. I think Schmekel could be that guy but not at the same level.
Vaughters has to show up today. 1 DT in the last 2 games, is not good enough.
Quote from: BBRT on August 31, 2025, 03:24:10 PMI like what you are saying however the major flaw in your logic is that the Rider DL will eat our OL and correspondingly the Rider OL will not have any issues with the Bomber DL. They are better on both sides of then ball at least IMHO.
This is totally true. Our OL will just have to manage to do enough to get us some runs going and buy Zach enough time for the mid game. They might have to have their best game yet. Keep in mind they held back the Montreal dl which I think is every bit as good as Sask.
Our dl vs their OL isn't as big a deal as we can scheme to mostly bypass it. We've won games with zero pressure before, especially against the Sask short game.
No, none is this will be easy, but it is possible.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 31, 2025, 07:40:28 PMTake a promising young starting Canadian olineman and turn him into a DT? That idea is all kinds of STUPID.
This is a obnoxious way to disagree with someone.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 31, 2025, 07:40:28 PMTake a promising young starting Canadian olineman and turn him into a DT? That idea is all kinds of STUPID.
Again, not turning him into a DT, its a trick play, to blow up Harris. Once.
Yeesh
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 08:18:39 PMI didn't miss anything. Getting to the QB is more often a matter of speed and technique, not sheer size.
The " Fridge " was used to crash though the DL in order to get 1-2 yards where there is no 1 yard off the ball.
Not trying to get to the QB, trying to make him run out of the pocket, so that Cheetah DE's can get him.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 31, 2025, 08:34:26 PMVaughters has to show up today. 1 DT in the last 2 games, is not good enough.
It's hard when he's really the only one that's a threat for rb dts. We rely so much on the lbers for run stop, by design, I'm actually never surprised by our low dl dt stats.
If it's the way younger likes to do it, then that's ok with me. If we get the W.
Love the BLUE chant you 204's at Mosaic! Real audible on TV! Seemd to really tick off the greenies too!
Of course, we get Suitor for today's broadcast. Gonna kill the sound for this one and sync in CJOB.
Ugh. Sheehan.
Had a chance to win the field position battle at least and he blows it.
Quote from: J5V on August 31, 2025, 11:05:36 PMOf course, we get Suitor for today's broadcast. Gonna kill the sound for this one and sync in CJOB.
I'm with you..... too bad LAPO isn't in the toilet bowl with Sausauge hands Smith
2 and out..then a penalty on the punt.
See now the punters are even with penalties
ref is strutting his stuff...then throws the flag.
not a great start for the punters - is it really windy?
Couch wanted to make sure he can do everything Sheahan can.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 11:14:37 PM2 and out..then a penalty on the punt.
Ya, I don't know why we never learn the first few plays are critical to set the tone for the game. We start GC's with an IP, or a Schoen finger whiff... then we lose.
Just watched the first defensive series and Thomas is getting zero push in tactics getting pushed backwards !!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 11:18:14 PMref is strutting his stuff...then throws the flag.
not a great start for the punters - is it really windy?
19 kms SW winds
Nice to see Shoen back. Let's hope the knee holds up.
Yikes. Protection is terrible in front of Zach right now.
Quote from: barbk on August 31, 2025, 11:17:40 PMSee now the punters are even with penalties
LOL. That will help even out the bad mojo.
nobody open i guess on first down
trenches is going to do us in...oline just can't stop their DL
Nice protection on O line LOL
as the O Line goes so do the bombers and doesnt look good so far
Gotta move the launch pad for Zach next drive. It's either got to be out on one and a half or he's gotta end up in different places. No time.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:20:55 PMYikes. Protection is terrible in front of Zach right now.
We simply cannot get in 2nd & long. We must find ways to get 4-6 on 1st or we won't move the ball.
Did you see how they were loading up the box?
And so far AJ is miles better than Brady... who's earning double the other guy again?
Quote from: J5V on August 31, 2025, 11:20:21 PMNice to see Shoen back. Let's hope the knee holds up.
He already looked like he was dying after his first catch/tackle... then again, he ALWAYS does that. He's like Oullette... looks dead after every play. Are they faking or are their bodies in horrible pain constantly?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:23:08 PMGotta move the launch pad for Zach next drive. It's either got to be out on one and a half or he's gotta end up in different places. No time.
i didn't look to see if the FB was in for protection but they have to do someting to get the offense going. roll out is worth a shot
Oline is out matched
Need to play action and roll Zach to his left
Battle of the punters
Younger doing exactly what we need to do to stop Trevor. Fill the lanes, get the batdowns.
pretty sad offense
hopefully they are learning and making adjustments
People who took the under quite pleased so far.
Low scoring is good for us
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 11:27:50 PMpretty sad offense
As long as both are sad, it's ok. Just have to be the first one to figure it out.
Quote from: markf on August 31, 2025, 11:28:13 PMLow scoring is good for us
Probably. Are we doing our normal clock-chewing on each play? Is SSK?
hope we dont just give up on the run game ..reminds me of toronto
Both QBs are desperately afraid of the INT. Maybe both teams think it'll all come down to the turnover ratio.
hardrick and bryant - they were so good together - got us to the cups
Quote from: Pete on August 31, 2025, 11:29:27 PMhope we dont just give up on the run game ..reminds me of toronto
Why can't Brady get 3-5 on every run like AJO does? Isn't he the better back?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:24:52 PMHe already looked like he was dying after his first catch/tackle... then again, he ALWAYS does that. He's like Oullette... looks dead after every play. Are they faking or are their bodies in horrible pain constantly?
He took a big shot on his first catch, definitely looked in pain, not a good sign!!
Shut Up Suitor.... call the game
Quote from: dd on August 31, 2025, 11:31:06 PMHe took a big shot on his first catch, definitely looked in pain, not a good sign!!
My point is he always looks like that, ever since his first game here. Don't read too much into it. Maybe it's just his face.
Besides, the knee thing isn't really a nagging pain thing, it's more a "it doesn't work" thing.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:30:27 PMWhy can't Brady get 3-5 on every run like AJO does? Isn't he the better back?
just stuffed him
great play by vaughters
I'd like to see Willie unleashed sometimes
Surely he can beat his guy
Then doing his 2 steps up and try and block the passing lane
Ugh, just 3 more YDS Zach!!
Wheatie should have come back for it to high point and take a DPI
no arm by zach
he was so open
We've now seen the limit of Zach's arm.
Told you we'd go mid/deep to middle/strong. That's their only weak point.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:34:45 PMWe've now seen the limit of Zach's arm.
3 years ago he makes that throw - the play after is still good
Holy moses, how did Emperor catch that!
Uh oh OPI?
SSK didn't want to risk a challenge this early
Pissed off Zach is good
That's a A+ catch by Kevins.
I rechecked, that was possibly a winnable OPI. That's why the DB was upset on the turf. It wasn't a complete full arm extension, but it was darn close. 50/50 with this command center.
Clercius shows up
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:37:40 PMThat's a A+ catch by Kevins.
That might get him "hot hand" status today. He might get a lot more looks.
P.S. Strong side attack again, keep hammering, those DBs are weak.
good road quarter except for the run yards
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:30:27 PMWhy can't Brady get 3-5 on every run like AJO does? Isn't he the better back?
Brady averages 5.6 to AJO's 5.1
That's a big time drive by Zach.
the bombers gonna need that all game
great drive
Wow, easy like butter for Brady there. I could have sworn we'd yank & pass as a trick.
YAY BRADY!
What the heck did SSK do wrong? Box looked full-ish. That was very weird against one of the best run D's!!
Wouldn't it have been smarter to have Zach in so SSK think "for sure pass"? Why put Strev in to show run? Well, it worked!
Quote from: Jesse on August 31, 2025, 11:39:53 PMBrady averages 5.6 to AJO's 5.1
I'm talking this game!
Brady was -2 before this TD!!!
Reverse trick play...
Put Strev in make then think something up then just hand it off
Nice
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:41:21 PMWow, easy like butter for Brady there. I could have sworn we'd yank & pass as a trick.
YAY BRADY!
What the heck did SSK do wrong? Box looked full-ish. That was very weird against one of the best run D's!!
Wouldn't it have been smarter to have Zach in so SSK think "for sure pass"? Why put Strev in to show run? Well, it worked!
they put strev in late - good strategy
Good, I like Proulx. He'll be somewhat fair to us.
Glad they are looking closely at mega-hold-on-ST SSK.
Is it just me, or does Trevor look like he's having concussion symptoms already? We didn't even need to touch him, he's frazzled from last week!
The extreme noise can make his symptoms worse on its own.
Something is wrong with him
hate those play calls
I like the play call, but the high snap threw off the timing. And Strev still doesn't have as much speed & strength.
Nice play by Lawson—pushed hardrick out of the way like he was a child!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:45:27 PMI like the play call, but the high snap threw off the timing. And Strev still doesn't have as much speed & strength.
that's the problem - too slow
I don't know... if you're at the 2... has our SY game become that pathetic that we don't just sneak? Must have been a long 2.
i think ZC not out for 2nd down was a mistake. sask knows he isn't going to throw it
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:44:13 PMIs it just me, or does Trevor look like he's having concussion symptoms already? We didn't even need to touch him, he's frazzled from last week!
The extreme noise can make his symptoms worse on its own.
Something is wrong with him
He just dropped that ball nobody hit him that saw.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:44:13 PMIs it just me, or does Trevor look like he's having concussion symptoms already? We didn't even need to touch him, he's frazzled from last week!
The extreme noise can make his symptoms worse on its own.
Something is wrong with him
Looks like he might have gout from here. Pretty sure. I did some Googling.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:47:42 PMLooks like he might have gout from here. Pretty sure. I did some Googling.
Gout??
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:44:13 PMIs it just me, or does Trevor look like he's having concussion symptoms already? We didn't even need to touch him, he's frazzled from last week!
The extreme noise can make his symptoms worse on its own.
Something is wrong with him
he will show up yet - slow starter
Quote from: markf on August 31, 2025, 11:47:29 PMHe just dropped that ball nobody hit him that saw.
That's my whole point! He hasn't been touched yet and he's acting all wobbly and weird, and his brain isn't processing what he's seeing.
Can't believe AJOU is playing coming from NFL cuts.... oh wait, Ontaria is too good to come back to CFL
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:47:42 PMLooks like he might have gout from here. Pretty sure. I did some Googling.
he is going to mainline some tart cherry juice and be ok
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2025, 11:47:42 PMLooks like he might have gout from here. Pretty sure. I did some Googling.
LOL, then how do you explain Trevor can't execute his league-best short game against our very iffy D? Suddenly our D became the best in the league?
Trevor has had all day most of the game, except 1-2 plays.
I have a feeling Trevor will be yanked in the 4th. They'll say it's just because they're losing too badly, but it'll be because they'll see Trevor's brain isn't working right.
just a terrible penalty and tsn doesn't show it
Tommy neld, what a waste of a receiver position!!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 11:48:29 PMhe will show up yet - slow starter
Hasn't been any other game. They may not score early , but they usually start moving the short ball immediately.
We can't lose a DT/DL. Get up Schmeckel
why would u go offside on a kick?
Let's not always use Strev in goal line.
Let's hope that was a lesson
Use 1st team offence down there. Make some plays for those circumstances
Boneheaded play by Jefferson!! High school stuff!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:41:44 PMI'm talking this game!
Brady was -2 before this TD!!!
On one carry!
Quote from: Sway on August 31, 2025, 11:52:28 PMLet's not always use Strev in goal line.
Let's hope that was a lesson
Use 1st team offence down there. Make some plays for those circumstances
I would always put Terry Wilson on Short yardage.... he is better than Strev IMO
call some holding - please
Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 31, 2025, 11:51:50 PMwhy would u go offside on a kick?
SSK probably doing their little hand and head movements they've been working on. We've seen this in other games. They try to do little synchronized jerky moves of parts that the refs can't see.
It wasn't just Willie jumping... the right side was looking squirrely too.
Quote from: Jesse on August 31, 2025, 11:53:38 PMOn one carry!
I think it was 2. But you could be right.
Vaval needs to just take what's there or there's going to be trouble. Get up the sideline there.
run up the middle with a tiny man???
Quote from: barbk on August 31, 2025, 11:54:02 PMI would always put Terry Wilson on Short yardage.... he is better than Strev IMO
Ya, but at the GL you want the pass threat. I really wish it was RPO and Strev throwed it.
oline getting absolutely dog walked
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 11:56:23 PMrun up the middle with a tiny man???
Tendency breaker looks good on install day.
Can't someone stop Carney?
They always said Wallace was too slow for pass pro. That was a REALLY bad whiff.
they do what we couldn't. could be the difference
Wallace looked like a pylon there!!
Embarrassing easy TD by both RBs. Our D scheme should be ashamed. Of course it was going to AJO, they always try that at least once.
that whole sequence was caused by Jeffersons offside
Going for the FG at the 2 is starting to look like a bad idea...
This O Line......
Calgary had success running wide, why are we using Logan down the middle
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:59:02 PMGoing for the FG at the 2 is starting to look like a bad idea...
I disagree, take the points still early in the game
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:58:30 PMEmbarrassing easy TD by both RBs. Our D scheme should be ashamed. Of course it was going to AJO, they always try that at least once.
One guy got beat on that play. The front defended exactly correctly.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:59:02 PMGoing for the FG at the 2 is starting to look like a bad idea...
the way sasks d line were playing doubt if the bombers would have scored
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 11:58:30 PMEmbarrassing easy TD by both RBs. Our D scheme should be ashamed. Of course it was going to AJO, they always try that at least once.
Didn't even touch him!!
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 12:00:17 AMI disagree, take the points still early in the game
Where was Strev's first snap? The 3? In normal times we'd do sneak + sneak = easy TD. OL isn't good enough.
Logan has been useless so far since being AR'd.
Both Wallace and Neufeld with huge whiffs that led directly to sacks. Gotta tighten that up.
so far Im very unimpressed with Logan
Vaughters was the only guy who could make that play and he guessed wrong.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:00:27 AMOne guy got beat on that play. The front defended exactly correctly.
One edge guy is not going to stop Oullette who has 5Y of steam already.
Logan. Slow and hesitant again this week
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 12:01:37 AMso far Im very unimpressed with Logan
You can tell he pretty average as a returner this year. Not sure if it's the injury or what not but he's going to be pretty basic back there. Not bad. But not spectacular.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:01:50 AMVaughters was the only guy who could make that play and he guessed wrong.
I'd say even Vaughers only makes that AJO stop 40% of the time, even if he's completely free.
with this O Line u cant drop and pass
Who's hurt?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:02:05 AMOne edge guy is not going to stop Oullette who has 5Y of steam already.
A defensive end can't tackle a running back? You're joking.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 01, 2025, 12:03:20 AMwith this O Line u cant drop and pass
But that's all that worked so far. However, it won't work if they go 6 man rush because we don't do anything else.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:03:47 AMA defensive end can't tackle a running back? You're joking.
Would you bet the farm on that on that play? AJO is probably the beefiest RB in the league.
Have to be in position AND not bite on the deke AND make the large-back tackle.
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2025, 12:01:33 AMBoth Wallace and Neufeld with huge whiffs that led directly to sacks. Gotta tighten that up.
Wallace is big but SUPER slow with his feet
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:04:41 AMWould you bet the farm on that on that play? AJO is probably the beefiest RB in the league.
Have to be in position AND not bite on the deke AND make the large-back tackle.
Who else do you recommend contains then :D
Logan! They are going to stop using him real soon..... that should have been 1st down. Useless
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 12:01:37 AMso far Im very unimpressed with Logan
Kinda reminds me of the Winnipeg Jets, getting everyone's rejects and not paying our roster from last year (EG - Lawler, Ford,)
caught them snoozing on 2nd and 3
logan wasn't going to get much
Logan stinks!!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:05:47 AMWho else do you recommend contains then
We needed to run blitz. We bet the farm it's a run and stop it. We played it normal.
quick first half
Schoen gets smoked again!' I m thinking that look of pain on his face is real!!
Did Gainer get new teeth on that segment of Willie Jefferson
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 12:08:00 AMSchoen gets smoked again!' I m thinking that look of pain on his face is real!!
Nah, "resting pain face".
bad tackling on Meyers
AJO may be getting 5 avg this game, but we are following my "key" by stopping the explosions. No run explosions yet through a whole half, and that's very good news!
Why is Kelly out there?
They immediately go after him
Back to sloppy tackling again
His concussion is CURED!
wow....that could be the game right there
trevor looks just fine
our secondary on the other hand...tommy neild??
if we cant get more pressure thats just the start
Missing Kramdi this game
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:11:13 AMHis concussion is CURED!
and his gout - must be the cherry juice kicking in
Oh my god, something is wrong with Harris s brain!! He just completed a 70 yd TD bomb!!
Haha, beaten by Nield. Sad
Just because SSK hadn't been able to go deep up until then, doesn't mean they never will. Why do our DBs get suckered so easily? Must be frustrating for MOS/Younger. STICK TO YOUR ASSIGNMENTS!
Is there a piling on penalty in a fan forum?
Neld's forty time was measured with a sun dial.... Beats our secondary
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:11:13 AMHis concussion is CURED!
A completely asleep QB could have made that easy no-pressure wide-open pass.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:12:57 AMHaha, beaten by Nield. Sad
Just because SSK hadn't been able to go deep up until then, doesn't mean they never will. Why do our DBs get suckered so easily? Must be frustrating for MOS/Younger. STICK TO YOUR ASSIGNMENTS!
lol. We had two guys right there. They just didn't make the play.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 01, 2025, 12:11:29 AMwow....that could be the game right there
Uh, bit premature for the dooming!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:14:21 AMUh, bit premature for the dooming!
when have the bombers dominated in the second half this season?
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 12:12:39 AMOh my god, something is wrong with Harris s brain!! He just completed a 70 yd TD bomb!!
That's the same play we should have had earlier but Zach can't throw as far as Trevor. Exactly same "openness".
forcing a pass into double coverage
bold prediction - our offense doesn't score another td
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2025, 12:13:53 AMlol. We had two guys right there. They just didn't make the play.
They were flatfooted and way behind and the ball was in-stride. You have to be in the hip pocket to stop those completions... or the QB has to underthrow so you can catch up.
gotta hit Harris now
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:16:48 AMforcing a pass into double coverage
Zach could have run for 1st down.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:16:48 AMforcing a pass into double coverage
bold prediction - our offense doesn't score another td
With Logan and Mitchell yeah I would agree
Wilson tackled and dragged down lol
huge lucky drop by meyers
Vaval's awesome.
See, SSK's short game isn't working. They get 1-3 per drive but can't sustain.
We need our DBs to get an INT when SSK resorts to the deep game. Get some extra help back there and do some Dequoy roaming.
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 12:18:00 AMWith Logan and Mitchell yeah I would agree
Wow, et tu barbk? Way too early for dooming. We've moved the ball. We've clearly planned wrinkles (like the Logan stuff, which hasn't worked yet though).
We have more fight.
need some first downs
That's the first time we've seen Mitchell do what we hired him for. VERY hard catch
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:20:36 AMThat's the first time we've seen Mitchell do what we hired him for. VERY hard catch
great catch
That Mitchell catch cost us like 15,000 pro rated hahah
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 12:13:22 AMIs there a piling on penalty in a fan forum?
Neld's forty time was measured with a sun dial.... Beats our secondary
Ya I just posted he was a waste of a receiver position and HE beats us for a 70 TD bomb!?! Now THAT sucks!!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:18:46 AMVaval's awesome.
That was a DARN risky run up catch. That might be the one time letting it bounce is better.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:21:00 AMThat Mitchell catch cost us like 15,000 pro rated hahah
LOL. But he made a 2nd one, so we're down to 7,500!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:20:11 AMWow, et tu barbk? Way too early for dooming. We've moved the ball. We've clearly planned wrinkles (like the Logan stuff, which hasn't worked yet though).
We have more fight.
I was agreeing with the Zip LOL
Hahaha how not to measure the football, Andre.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:23:00 AMHahaha how not to measure the football, Andre.
Ya, just roll it wherever you want and call it a day!
That was the stupidest 2nd & 1 inch ever
what r u doin with that play call!!!???
one thing you can't do is take a sack
throw it away
wallace is not very good
Horrible sequence. Just stupid. You sneak to stay closer to FG.
Amazing TD saver by Cadwall.
Wallace beaten again for another sack on Collaros!!
Wow Caldwalder... threw him like a ragdoll
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:25:01 AMHorrible sequence. Just stupid. You sneak to stay closer to FG.
Amazing TD saver by Cadwall.
take a time out and discuss it...leaving points on the table in this game is going to cost
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:24:21 AMwallace is not very good
Telling you, desired is:
Stan Vant/Rand Ko Neuf Lofton
Everything else is injury-induced.
We'll need some real NAT OL in off-season/FA/DP if we don't want to be forced into 3 IMP OL in '26.
Four point game at half time in Regina. Bombers have to be pretty happy with that I'd think.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:24:21 AMone thing you can't do is take a sack
throw it away
wallace is not very good
That is an understatement!! He's stinking the joint out today
Woodbey is not 235 lbs as far as I can tell. While I wasn't sure he'd get any reps, he's getting loads of reps. He hasn't disappointed so far. What's less clear is who is off when he's on in the rotation?
I've also seen Kelly on the field at times which is a concern.
C. Allen blew that coverage.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:26:35 AMtake a time out and discuss it...leaving points on the table in this game is going to cost
But it's a cut & dried situation. I've never even seen MOS do something so stupid before. We take what's there.
When have we gone for a flyer on 2nd & short this season? Never. How many times in '24, maybe 1-2.
30s left at the 45 or so, you get the first down with a sneak/run in bounds, have the next 1st down play already drawn up so you don't waste time, then you get a EZ shot or a shorter FG.
OK TecnoGenius.... I'm trying to be positive now.... Jason Hogan is going to make adjustments 2nd half
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 12:27:00 AMFour point game at half time in Regina. Bombers have to be pretty happy with that I'd think.
probabaly but there were so many errors that led to the score - play a clean game and the score looks better.
castillo doesn't get a pass in that miss and not getting a td on that turnover is bad
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 12:13:22 AMIs there a piling on penalty in a fan forum?
Yeah, a handful of posters in this forum ruining it for others. Seen it before and it really destroys the morale. Too bad.
Will this be the game where Lauther makes kicks and wins and Castillo loses it? That would be ironic. Making the league's worst K look good.
How many running plays did we run in the first half?
Seemed like not many.
O line can't block for pass plays, maybe try running it. Like last week. When it worked.
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 12:30:00 AMOK TecnoGenius.... I'm trying to be positive now.... Jason Hogan is going to make adjustments 2nd half
That's the spirit! We're really not in a bad situation. Most of us would take down by 4 at the half in Mosaic in LDC in a heartbeat. And SSK isn't doing much either. Their short game isn't working at all. Can they sustain the long game?? They know the risk...
what adjustments can the bombers make in the second half with this O Line?
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 12:33:18 AMHow many running plays did we run in the first half?
Seemed like not many.
Maybe 5 Brady runs incl the TD? A failed Logan's Run (hehehehe). I think one Demski run? Oh, and a Strev run.
The 5 for Brady is the real headline. I think the TD run was his longest, and it wasn't that long.
As for running more: have you seen that SSK DL? The only way runs are going to work is if they are in pass-rush mode (2nd down) and our OL can trick them into being walled off for a big Brady hole.
Their LBers don't scare me, so any Brady run that beats the DL will get 5-10.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 01, 2025, 12:35:54 AMwhat adjustments can the bombers make in the second half with this O Line?
max protection with the FB??
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 01, 2025, 12:35:54 AMwhat adjustments can the bombers make in the second half with this O Line?
Everyone takes a turn smacking Wallace upside the head? Like that scene in Airplane.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:26:39 AMTelling you, desired is:
Stan Vant/Rand Ko Neuf Lofton
Everything else is injury-induced.
We'll need some real NAT OL in off-season/FA/DP if we don't want to be forced into 3 IMP OL in '26.
I would have agreed, but they can throw Vant in anytime they want. Still rolling with Wallace.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:36:39 AMmax protection with the FB??
Eli/Ike probably won't do much against these DL beasts. Back when we had a super jumbo Wallace/Eli/FB package we could have. We don't do jumbo much anymore, and super jumbo isn't even ARd much this year!
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2025, 12:38:30 AMI would have agreed, but they can throw Vant in anytime they want. Still rolling with Wallace.
Isn't Vant still on IR? He's got some nagging thing, I think ankle.
Maybe we feel we need the ratio help right now, especially with Kramdi out and Demski iffy.
I'm pretty sure all of Mafia knows that Vant at LG is 3X better than Wallace.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:38:34 AMEli/Ike probably won't do much against these DL beasts. Back when we had a super jumbo Wallace/Eli/FB package we could have. We don't do jumbo much anymore, and super jumbo isn't even ARd much this year!
gotta try - just my opinion
lets see if we can finally stop the first drive of the third quarter, huge for momentum and yes having another olineman in would help..logan is dispensible
too many games where wallace has sucked.....
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 12:30:00 AMOK TecnoGenius.... I'm trying to be positive now.... Jason Hogan is going to make adjustments 2nd half
He's just going to hold a mirror up to the playbook and start at one.
I think the key to the win now will be everyone making that little extra play succeed. Stuff like that long bomb underthrow by Zach. The Sheahan mistake. The Castillo mistake. The Logan screen drop. Wallace whiffing 3X. Neuf whiffing. Allen getting burnt.
Everyone just needs to step up and get that little extra.
Some guys are, and that's good. Mitchell and Clercius so far are killing it. They're stepping up. So what's up with the vets?
This is a very winnable game. Just stop whiffing and make plays.
SSK is supposed to be the league-leading best team! What do they look like this game? Hot garbage to me. They've done nothing except a turnover and a wide-open Nield bomb.
our d had a terrific first half lets keep it going!
Remember, we're supposed to be the weak underdogs that suck rocks right now. If I'm a SSK fan I'm wondering why I'm only up by 4 in this LDC. And I'm still afraid...
pretty low offense for both teams
someone is going to break it open
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 01, 2025, 12:42:24 AMtoo many games where wallace has sucked.....
Agree. He s big enough but just not quick enough, getting beaten badly often
3 sacks
a fumble leading directly to the first score against
Blown opportunity to go up by 14 after the Harris fumble
69 yard TD against
Missed FG
Wonder how the team will respond after a very disappointing end to the first half. Team has not been good at adjustments.
Clenching the rest of the game.
OM-gosh. How does too many men happen!! Unbelievable!
What did I just write up about mistakes!!
Should have put Gold pants on at half time
Quote from: Ducky on September 01, 2025, 12:45:57 AMClenching the rest of the game.
LOL, clenching what? Whatever it is, I'm with ya!
Too many men penalty to start the second half.ugh is that how much our heads are in the game?!?
Funny, but SSK's OL hasn't been stellar either. They don't have a Wallace, but they're letting us get up the interior sometimes! Weird.
Anyone know if Schmeck is back?
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 12:48:25 AMToo many men penalty to start the second half.ugh is that how much our heads are in the game?!?
Ya, how do you start a half, where you had 15 mins to get the set ready, with that penalty!?
good defensive hold.
now the offense turn. do we turtle and go the third with 0- 3 first downs ?
Oh crap, Zach hit the back of his head
He's going to be out.
Our only hope now is the same thing happens to Trevor
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:50:52 AMHe's going to be out.
Our only hope now is the same thing happens to Trevor
You're clueless
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:39:49 AMIsn't Vant still on IR? He's got some nagging thing, I think ankle.
Maybe we feel we need the ratio help right now, especially with Kramdi out and Demski iffy.
I'm pretty sure all of Mafia knows that Vant at LG is 3X better than Wallace.
Vant has been practicing in full for multiple weeks now.
third quarter has been tough offensively.
that replay showing his head bounce was bad
we just don't even try running
Horrible start to the 2nd H.
That was a huge hit on Zach's head.
I guess SSK won the battle of "who gets the back-splat head-turf hit first". Not really a surprise give the relative strengths of the DL and the avg DL player weight.
Where's that dooming, barbk? Bring it back
doesnt look like the bombers have made any adjustments for the 2nd half
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2025, 12:52:28 AMVant has been practicing in full for multiple weeks now.
Right, but he's still on IR, just 1GIR?
Our play calling is not good, we keep calling these long developing plays and we dont have the oline to back it up
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 12:52:30 AMthat replay showing his head bounce was bad
He's left the game for less. And he did the eye-rub thing. That's his "I shouldn't keep playing this game" sign.
Concerned that in the seond half our dline is going to wear down
Why can't Brady run like that?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:53:42 AMRight, but he's still on IR, just 1GIR?
Yup. Just being stashed.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:55:27 AMWhy can't Brady run like that?
Because we've only let him run 4 times.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:50:14 AMYa, how do you start a half, where you had 15 mins to get the set ready, with that penalty!?
That is an embarrassing penalty to take and an indicator there's a few people asleep on the sidelines. When I coached high school football I had one of my assistants count our players every play. The refs do it. You mean to tell me nobody on the bombers coaching staff is assigned this task?? Embarrassing
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2025, 12:55:52 AMYup. Just being stashed.
Ya, but could still be a bit iffy/owie.
We started 8 NATs today. We could have put Vant in if he was 100%.
Remember how amazing our OL was with the Vant-LG lineup?
Brady with 16 yards rushing = bombers lose.
If Collaros is out (again) game is done.
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 12:53:47 AMOur play calling is not good, we keep calling these long developing plays and we dont have the oline to back it up
You're correct!! So much for our second half adjustments!!
to be expected when has hogan made 2nd half adjustments?
What is wrong with SSK OL that they are letting easy heat through? I don't get it. Fatboi free to attack Trevor? I don't get it. It should be easy peasy to stop our 4 man rush, ESPECIALLY the interior.
Great motor and hustle by Fatboi to get a hit on Trevor. His head hit the turf on the side a tiny bit...
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 12:59:19 AMto be expected when has hogan made 2nd half adjustments?
To be fair Buck NEVER did either. Everyone complained just the same when Buck was OC.
We have to go back to Lapo to remember any big HT adjustments.
Hey, I like it! SSK does all these curls with big coming-back-to-ball moves. That's how you beat the INTs and DBs on your back at time of completion.
how about Hogan call first half and Jackson call second half
good play action
thank gawd for demski
Glad to see Zach's ok, but I hope he feels perfect and not iffy. It would be very hard to win with Strev.
Surprised Collaros is back in. Now the need to protect him against a ferocious front line.
3 yards is a win on that play
Quote from: Blue72 on September 01, 2025, 01:01:30 AMhow about Hogan call first half and Jackson call second half
Ha! Might work!
Schoen turtling. Probably good idea! You won't get YAC with 3 guys closing in.
Nice celebration Demski
happy to be wrong.
demski is our best player
i take it back , whorter passes , going to the outside good plays!!
DEMSKI! Great route. Beat that bad strong side. Fields sucks.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Oh ya, that was a PERFECT pass by Zach. See, stay in his range and he's deadly.
sask hasnt exactly been burning up the field
...I guess not every time a player's helmet hits the turf does it result in a concussion?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:04:10 AMhappy to be wrong.
demski is our best player
I'm going to be Blueforlife.... eating crow
Maybe the smacks upside the head on Wallace worked!
Demski putting the team in his back
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 01:05:33 AM...I guess not every time a player's helmet hits the turf does it result in a concussion?
You know as well as I do it's a cumulative thing, and a probability/risk thing. Are you trying to say you don't hold your breath every time Zach's head hits the turf? Really?
Why can't someone come up with a special helmet for QBs
Demski is unquestionably our MVP this year, we d be dead without him
Quote from: Blue72 on September 01, 2025, 01:07:32 AMWhy can't someone come up with a special helmet for QBs
Been saying this for years. They put all the protection on the crown and ignore the back, when concussion-prone QBs need nothing but head-back protection! Crumple-zones, cushioning, pillows, anything!
Sucks for Ball. He's been getting better and better all season. Came from basically nowhere in the depth chart too.
Riders fell apart in the second half against the Stamps. Hoping for something similar in this one.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 01:08:47 AMDemski is unquestionably our MVP this year, we d be dead without him
I'm so miffed I didn't get Demski in fantasy. I wanted him so bad and tried to make it work but I just couldn't afford him without royally sacrificing everyone else.
I had to take Busby instead as a budget move. :P :P :P
that's a cute baby !! congrats Lauther
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 01:09:39 AMSucks for Ball. He's been getting better and better all season. Came from basically nowhere in the depth chart too.
Ya, but maybe he's "throwing it" for SSK... because of who his dad is ;D ;D ;D
Or maybe it's the opposite! SSK radio & fans fired Ballsy so maybe Ballsy & son hold a grudge ;D ;D :P :P :P
I don't know why SSK even bothers running up the gut. Our edge is always weak. Teams have been reaming us on edge runs all season. It's so bad, and frustrating.
Then look how SSK's edge stopped Brady cold on his first run of the game. Why can't we do that?
what is vaughters doing thats several plays he looks lost
Vaughters has been pretty bad today.
Off topic.... Tecno did you see that Bighill is playing in Calgary tomorrow!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 01:13:18 AMVaughters has been pretty bad today.
I don't think Vaughters has ever been good at RB edge contain. He's a pass rush and inside run stop beast.
Willie's bad at it too, but they never run that way.
We just suck at edge contain on RBs. We're good against mobile QBs though.
sad sack defence getting worked with the short passes
DB s are turning into spectators
Holy smokes where did our secondary go?!!
We can't tackle. Been like this all year
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 01:13:47 AMOff topic.... Tecno did you see that Bighill is playing in Calgary tomorrow!
Not yet... too focused on this game.
"Playing" though... we'll see what that means. Is it like how Gauthier "plays" on our D?
vaval got destroyed
bad defensive series
Lauther misses which could be big
That was waaaaaaaaaaay too easy a drive for a TD.
If only our D can tackle.... trying to be postive with the boo birds on Lauther convert miss
That was horribly pathetic letting him run for 25 and easy TD. Worst play of the game by far. Worse than Allen's whiff.
And Anderson is a nobody.
Sad.
Why was Jones just jogging there?
Persons looks small, and when you have smaller cbs ..tough stopping
Missed PAT could be costly
Vaval is so much better on returns than Logan.
Vaval you feel he could find something. Logan just runs into the wall scared and turtles. And he's not fast.
Atleast Logan ran fast into his own guy on that return
now if we could only get our offense and defense playing well at the same time..
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 01:18:44 AMAtleast Logan ran fast into his own guy on that return
He's looked dreadful tonight
never gave BO the ball once in the third
zach's choice ?
My delayed draw, ruined by a STUPID MISTAKE. Just unforgivable!!
Who did that. Heads should roll
no end??
no excuse
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:21:43 AMMy delayed draw, ruined by a STUPID MISTAKE. Just unforgivable!!
Who did that. Heads should roll
Lets be positive
No end penalty on a big run, are we that stupid?!?!
Mitchell is getting close to getting break-out player of the week. Assuming a star-3-years-ago can have another "breakout"?
We're gonna lose that challenge
That's OPI
dam...demski did interfere
That's OPI.
Haha, what will it be now? 2nd & 22?
they may call that. demski chipped him
Definite OPI by demski on that play
Too many mistakes. Our team is whatever the opposite of polished is. It's too late in the season for this nonsense.
But the refs don't see all the holding calls on Riders
dumb play by demski
just punt the ball
If Brady lost that I'll go mental
Oh my god the roof is caving in!!
What a disaster.
self destruction mode
Used my computer. That ball is out. We're screwed
We go ultra safe because we're backed up and scared. Then Brady does this.
That's game
if he dint fumble or knee was down we would have had a first down
Why is he putting an arm down to stop his fall!! You double-arm it. Oullette doesn't make that mistake.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:28:53 AMif he dint fumble or knee was down we would have had a first down
Uh, it was like 2nd & 30. No first down
We don't deserve to win after this forth quarter.
Why does Brady earn double Oullette? What are we paying him for? He's basically useless this year. 2 good games maybe? A couple of good plays?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:29:19 AMUh, it was like 2nd & 30. No first down
penalty would have been auto first down
game over
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Cant beat good teams.
Too many mistakes. Too inconsistent. Not enough depth.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:30:23 AMpenalty would have been auto first down
The penalty only occurred because of the turnover.
tackling isn't nichols best trait
See, they run the same play. We can't stop it. Just attack the outside with the run and get a free TD. It's so stupid.
SSK's pass game is not working. They will run it every time.
Man our defense looks tired!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:30:06 AMWhy does Brady earn double Oullette? What are we paying him for? He's basically useless this year. 2 good games maybe? A couple of good plays?
Being negative Nellie again.... I wonder if rider fans are still calling Android Harris, a cheater, etc etc
like i said our dline is worn out, going with only 6 dlinemen is coming back to haunt us
Why aren't we run blitzing? Why aren't we getting more bodies to the strong side run attack? It's so tiring.
This team sucks. Hogan has made 3 of the worst calls I can remember this game.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:30:56 AMThe penalty only occurred because of the turnover.
if the ruling had been that his knee was down it wouldn't have cancelled out the penalty
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 01:32:20 AMlike i said our dline is worn out, going with only 6 dlinemen is coming back to haunt us
Is Shmeck back in? If not, we never had any hope. You can't stand up to this run attack with no bodies.
no way bombers win next week
So stupid. Is no one paying attention?
Game set match
How on earth did he get so open?!?
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 01:32:01 AMBeing negative Nellie again.... I wonder if rider fans are still calling Android Harris, a cheater, etc etc
I don't like seeing our 2nd highest paid guy doing worse than a $125k back.
nichols got picked on that 2 point convert
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:34:55 AMnichols got picked on that 2 point convert
Must have been some kind of rub. No way he just screwed that up.
What an absolute embarrassment this second half has been. So disappointing after a promising start.
No one to blame but ourselves.
1) offense lines up wrong
2) offense OPI
3) offense time count
4) offense fumble
That's going to cost you on labour day.
Worst coaching in football. On full display.
Logan worse than useless. Look how he hits the wall!! A returner can't be scared
mystery with BO.....only one game where he was dominate in running
Its truly uninspiring how our offseason moves or lack of is hurting us. Lack of dline talent, nearly all of our off season acquisitions total busts,
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:34:35 AMI don't like seeing our 2nd highest paid guy doing worse than a $125k back.
Wait... not only is half-pay Oullette killing Brady, but absolute nobody Anderson on ELC at 1/4 pay is killing Brady!
typical second half play for the bombers
do we have a first down in the 4th?
Collaros had another free first down run chance there. That's 2 of them.
Look at that worm Mace. What a weasel
Zach always has trouble with that outlet pass on the run. needs to practice it more
overall some dumb plays by the bombers
Guess next week is a must win now
i really dont know what our offensive game plan was, other than not using Olivera who personally won the last game for us
This looks like a game early in the season with the execution problems
MACE keep that smirk on your face along with those wonderful rider fans that support rider nation, you remind me of Dave Dick in Calgary
first place is gonna be tough now
Any win will be near impossible now simply because we have to go all mid/deep pretty soon now. That DL vs our OL will eat us alive in pure pass-rush mode.
We had a chance until Brady dropped it. No excuses. He was wimpy trying to stop his falling instead of cradling the bloody ball. He didn't want to get an owie. Oullette has 2 arms on that ball every tackle every time.
SSK just gonna run it down our throats now. They know we can't generate 2 TDs if all we have is the pass game in 7 mins.
The only hope is if our OL suddenly becomes league-best for the rest of the game and we have time to pick on those DBs.
Don't bet the farm on it
For those who are asking for MOS head, who do you want as a replacement EG OC or DC.
Its time he stepped up like he did a couple times and over rule some of his coaches
gotta strike fast here
funny if sask ends up in the grey cup....
Here comes the all out blitz
Boy I'm glad I didn't end up going. My daughter would have been freaking out.
I have a feeling we'll be back here for the WDF. Can't wait.
Quote from: Blue72 on September 01, 2025, 01:43:38 AMFor those who are asking for MOS head, who do you want as a replacement EG OC or DC.
Its time he stepped up like he did a couple times and over rule some of his coaches
That will NEVER happen
Haha, Kelly did something! Hahahahahaha ahhahahaha a I'm crying
Well that was a gift. Kelly, lol!
Well, we have a shot. Go 3 down mode
Wow, Clercius. He's king tonight
Why call timeout? Clercius may be injured forcing a TO anyhow
Wheatie!
Too bad we didn't stop SSK on that 2 pt, we'd have a sure win with another TD.
Now we could be OT
Man, this was such a winnable game.
Wow, we beat Sayles on that one!! I guess they thought we wouldn't attack the weak side
I predict a pick
Maybe we baited them by boundary side going short all game, just to setup this open-deep pass late.
Does SSK keep with the all-run game thinking we can't get another TD? Worst case it's just tie.
lawson - wow that a facemask
We stopped them short. If they gamble we could have this.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:51:58 AMlawson - wow that a facemask
Might have been needed to stop a 30Y romp
Got super lucky with a non-call there.
Nice missed facemask by the refs!! How do you miss a face mask on the ball carrier?!? Brutal officiating.
Love that nasty tackle by Vaughters. Why they run in the middle I don't know. The edge is a guaranteed big gain.
Does SSK punt here?
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 01:52:49 AMNice missed facemask by the refs!! How do you miss a face mask on the ball carrier?!? Brutal officiating.
They gotta see it. Lots of bodies around and the FM was inside the pack, not the outside-facing side (Oullette was turned backwards)
How is that face mask not called?
Oh well.
Figure they punt here
If SSK loses they will crucify the officials for that FM
Argh, forgot they have Stevens. Back when it was Fine or Dolegala or Patterson we could have stopped that.
It would be nice if we can get a stop so we can at least have a chance. I want to see what this O can do under the gun.
Can't let them get a FG though
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:54:44 AMArgh, forgot they have Stevens. Back when it was Fine or Dolegala or Patterson we could have stopped that.
I wanted us to sign Stevens over Strevvy this year :(
Why is Nichols not as good as he was 2 years ago?
Nichols getting embarrassed today
Why can't we get any pass rush heat when we need it. Just 1 down we have to do.
Game over unless Lauther misses.
cant let that pass happen
Nichols burned
Again
Vaval returning a missed Lauther FG would be hilarious.
DO NOT put Logan back there.
So you're SSK, you punt or FG?
It's a fake for o/s
NO WAY
The ball was out of the EZ!
Hahaha oh well. The good news is as long as we get in the playoffs we can absolutely beat the Riders with a clean game.
Labour Day is always a tough game and we didn't play great and had a decent chance.
wow...well it was a great call by sask
nichols loses the game
mos needs to prepare his team for that
OMG from a Vet player making that stupid move
Where's the plane camera?
He doesn't have to be out, the ball has to be out
Why was Nichols running backwards when the guy arrived? Go forward after you turn around!
That is not a safety. Good grief.
Wow,yet another dumb dumb play. You can only screw up so many times until it catches up with you
Well, we can still win
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:59:38 AMnichols loses the game
mos needs to prepare his team for that
ok. i was wrong
Get the ball out Zach, just take the shot. It doesn't matter now if it's a pick
geeezzz zach get outta the pocket
Zach has been really bad throwing on the run. He needs to stop to re-establish.
DPI!
Sacked , what a surprise!!
DPI all day. Mace will challenge because why not
unbelievable!!!
There is life lol!
Perfect play. Chews clock and we get the TD in 1-2 plays
How big is that single going to be now? Along with the missed field goal...
Leave no more than 20s on the clock by the TD
Should have run it to Brady
good float pass
So predictable...
schoen looks hurt again
Of course that's how it ends. Schoen looked like he was limping...
reaaalllyyy!!
dumb throw cost the game and maybe our best receiver.. having said that this game was a lot closer than i thought after 3
At least I'll take some joy knowing that rider fans are crapping their pants a little right now.
They stole the ball in the pile. Castillo had it DBC
He doesn't have the arm strength to keep the beefier guys from stealing it.
too many dumb plays/calls by the bombers
guess it's too much for the kicker to win that battle ??
has that EVER happened in the history of this league? 2 point pick 6?
Is that 4 pick-6 now Collaros has thrown this season? HORRIBLE
Sergio sure looked like he had the ball... we got robbed
A few too many mistakes to win but if I'm the Riders I'm still very worried if we come to town in the playoffs.
They're a very beatable 9-2 team.
Trevor only threw for 219 1TD. One of his worst passing games this season. Did we hold him to less than even CGY did?
Zach was 326 3TD.
o shea has to stop being a players coach and start showing some tuff love
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 02:12:01 AMA few too many mistakes to win but if I'm the Riders I'm still very worried if we come to town in the playoffs.
They're a very beatable 9-2 team.
The Bombers are a much more beatable team though.
didn't like the play call on the 2 point conversion.
inside was the play
remember when sask was playing earlier in the season and our fans were cheering for them cause they didn't like the opponent and some of us said - bad move!! this is why you always hope for the riders to lose
Quote from: Ducky on September 01, 2025, 02:11:50 AMhas that EVER happened in the history of this league? 2 point pick 6?
It's a "2 point pick 2", not 6. Yes, it actually happens more than you'd think. Usually a couple of times a season (including the missed-PAT-kick returns).
I'd lay the fault on our OL not being able to provide Collaros enough time most of the game. 5 sacks. Also needing to go for a FG early instead of a TD cost us 4 points ( the difference ).
Lots of mistakes elsewhere with penalties, missed FG and poor kick coverage and returns.
Somebody want to explain why we throw a 45 yard pass to the sideline from the 5 yard line trying for a 2 point convert?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 02:13:59 AMdidn't like the play call on the 2 point conversion.
inside was the play
It was horrible. Just stupid. That ball has to be on a line. The only time you do a rainbow floater is to the EZ corner where only your guy can get it.
Yes, the inside quick heat pass to the guy in the zone hole right at the GL that we have used so well in the last 1.5 seasons was the play.
Or for the love of God just give it to Brady and tell him to earn his $250k so he doesn't look like a chump compared to Liver King.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:17:15 AMIt was horrible. Just stupid. That ball has to be on a line. The only time you do a rainbow floater is to the EZ corner where only your guy can get it.
Yes, the inside quick heat pass to the guy in the zone hole right at the GL that we have used so well in the last 1.5 seasons was the play.
Or for the love of God just give it to Brady and tell him to earn his $250k so he doesn't look like a chump compared to Liver King.
On the other hand you expect the defensive backs to play inside leverage and take away the in breaking routes there.
The other guys get paid too. Didn't hate the call on that one.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 02:12:01 AMA few too many mistakes to win but if I'm the Riders I'm still very worried if we come to town in the playoffs.
They're a very beatable 9-2 team.
They played horrifically bad. All they have is the outside run. Trevor wasn't seeing the field, he was horrible. This win is due to their OC.
At 9-2 #1 in the league they are supposed to be unbeatable, they should have walked all over our piddly 6-4 4th place team. They didn't. Because they aren't that good.
This was a totally winnable game. I blame Brady.
Quote from: Ducky on September 01, 2025, 02:13:56 AMThe Bombers are a much more beatable team though.
But we're
supposed to be beatable. That's the difference.
Quote from: TrueBlue75 on September 01, 2025, 02:08:07 AMOf course that's how it ends. Schoen looked like he was limping...
I wonder if Schoen's knee hasn't always been bad? Ever since he first came here he looks hurt on every tackle AND he's often limping too. What if the knee has been bum since college?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 02:19:04 AMThe other guys get paid too. Didn't hate the call on that one.
Nope, bad call, worse execution. Why on earth throw a softie? What purpose can it serve? Schoen can catch a heater. If that's a heater it's a tie game.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:19:51 AMBut we're supposed to be beatable. That's the difference.
Oh come on. This season we've never really even flirted with unbeatable.
Unlike some of our recent 9-2 teams, that Rider team is not the Goliath they're billed as.
We, even as a .600 ish team, can beat them and we would have if we just played a few plays cleaner.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 02:21:57 AMOh come on. This season we've never really even flirted with unbeatable.
Unlike some of our recent 9-2 teams, that Rider team is not the Goliath they're billed as.
We, even as a .600 ish team, can beat them and we would have if we just played a few plays cleaner.
Re-read. You said exactly what I said.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:21:14 AMNope, bad call, worse execution. Why on earth throw a softie? What purpose can it serve? Schoen can catch a heater. If that's a heater it's a tie game.
I would have been fine with a run there too, but I still like the out if you're going to throw because the defense will almost certainly try to take away the inside of the field.
I get you don't like the result but the theory there is sound.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:23:13 AMRe-read. You said exactly what I said.
Correct. Got it. Sorry about that. Yeah. You're right.
On the bright side, with home advantage we should easily win next week. SSK looked like hot garbage, Trevor couldn't throw to save his life. His worst game of the year.
If we pack in some more DL instead of useless LBers and do more run blitz and have some beef on edge contain, SSK will have nothing.
We gave them 3 easy uncontested running TDs. Truly pathetic. Stop their run and they have nothing.
On O we've seen what we can do. SSK needs to defend the whole field, even with that league-best pass rush.
I feel one of those 40-0 beatdown revenge games coming next week!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 02:25:16 AMI get you don't like the result but the theory there is sound.
Then let's call it good play call, horrible execution. If Zach zips it and the REC comes back for it a bit (he had the space) then it's a completion or DPI.
I think back to all the failed-every-time corner route we ran nearly exclusively in early/mid 2024. Even with Kenny we were whiffing and INTing on those. Remember our horrific red zone %? That was mostly because of that.
Those were "outside pass" TD shots. Just like with this one we let them catch up to the REC and get the stop.
On the onside kick.... did Proulx get from command centre that it was Rider ball? It looked like Sergio recovered that ball and the refs on the ground weren't sure... could OSH not challenge that call?
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 02:31:12 AMOn the onside kick.... did Proulx get from command centre that it was Rider ball? It looked like Sergio recovered that ball and the refs on the ground weren't sure... could OSH not challenge that call?
Did kind of look like it. We had no timeouts and I think under three minutes all replays come from the booth.
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2025, 02:31:12 AMOn the onside kick.... did Proulx get from command centre that it was Rider ball? It looked like Sergio recovered that ball and the refs on the ground weren't sure... could OSH not challenge that call?
They did the "who has the ball last in the pile" thing. No one cared who had it and was DBC. But that's pretty normal for the CFL. You just have to win that battle at the bottom of the pile. Castillo is probably the worst person for that job as he has no need for upper body strength.
That leads to the question: why weren't more guys in that pile? It was Castillo and like 1 other guy? Where's the hands team or the beef blockers?? Strange.
As for challenge, yes I think you can, but we had no TO left. And you aren't winning that anyhow.
Schoen looked like he may have injured his leg again. That would be most unfortunate at several levels. It would hurt the team but he's just had a run of bad luck staying healthy.
Our front 4 suck. No other way to put it. Our OL is not good enough and neither are our receivers as a group.
I've seen enough out of Logan to suggest we cut him or bump him back to PR. I think he doesn't have enough seasons to have reached vet cut down time.
Two TD's given up on turnovers was all she wrote.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 02:33:35 AMDid kind of look like it. We had no timeouts and I think under three minutes all replays come from the booth.
You can still challenge and force an extra look at something. Command only has so many things they can auto-review, even in last 3 mins.
A VERY winnable game. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot--no end, too many men, blown coverages. You just can't keep doing stuff like that and expect to win games. Good news is, next week at home should be ours. Guys made plays today, we just had too many boneheaded plays to overcome.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:34:22 AMSchoen looked like he may have injured his leg again. That would be most unfortunate at several levels. It would hurt the team but he's just had a run of bad luck staying healthy.
Our front 4 suck. No other way to put it. Our OL is not good enough and neither are our receivers as a group.
I've seen enough out of Logan to suggest we cut him or bump him back to PR. I think he doesn't have enough seasons to have reached vet cut down time.
Two TD's given up on turnovers was all she wrote.
I missed the play Schoen hurt his leg, are you certain he's hurt?? Agree on our front 4, just not up to snuff, never have been. And bu buy to Logan, he's definitely expendible, put him on the PR or cut him. He has been a total disappointment/bust.
I really like how hard we battled in this game in hostile territory and never quit even when we got down by two scores. There is a lot we can do to clean up our game and we've shown we can hang with any team in this league. All we need to do is sneak into the playoffs and go on a win streak. I'm really looking forward to it.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:34:22 AMTwo TD's given up on turnovers was all she wrote.
And we just let them walk into the EZ with zero pass risk or effort... Just run outside and you can kill us, every time.
And us only getting 3 on our great turnover. Should have run Brady or sneaked twice from the 2 or 3 instead of Strev whiff & FG.
Letting them get that 2PAT was also inexcusable. That looked like the '23 GC where Parker was a chicken with his head cut off on the 3rd & 3 game winner. How does this happen with vet defenders?
And that was the difference: they made their 2PAT, we failed. Both were passes. Does that make useless Campbell better than top-shelf Nichols?
The whole fighting for the ball after the fumble in the pile after the whistle is football at its.....
best? stupidest?
I dunno
Always seems like a silly play.
Looked like Sergio had it initial then the whistle goes and its 300lbs football mayhem.. Sask ball
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 02:38:04 AMI missed the play Schoen hurt his leg, are you certain he's hurt??
Schoen was the target on the final 2PAT, right? So clearly not "hurt" hurt.
I think it's just Schoen being Schoen, I wouldn't worry about him.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 02:38:04 AMI missed the play Schoen hurt his leg, are you certain he's hurt?? Agree on our front 4, just not up to snuff, never have been. And bu buy to Logan, he's definitely expendible, put him on the PR or cut him. He has been a total disappointment/bust.
I'm pretty sure he came down limping after the play. Whether it's the same leg or same problem is too early to tell. Offence was much better with him playing though.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:39:54 AMSchoen was the target on the final 2PAT, right? So clearly not "hurt" hurt.
I think it's just Schoen being Schoen, I wouldn't worry about him.
it was on that play he looked hurt - landed funny and was limping
Schoen looked hurt the whole game to me..
Was limping hard on the Pick-2, and most of his other tv times
Quote from: Ducky on September 01, 2025, 02:11:50 AMhas that EVER happened in the history of this league? 2 point pick 6?
Is that 4 pick-6 now Collaros has thrown this season? HORRIBLE
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Quote from: J5V on September 01, 2025, 02:38:35 AMAll we need to do is sneak into the playoffs and go on a win streak. I'm really looking forward to it.
Nope, I'm aiming for #1 in the West. Anything can still happen. We are on the uptrend.
Our O put up huge yards and 2 TDs on deep shots against a team in prevent D just trying to close out the game! People need to understand what this means. SSK was in full pass-rush-only mode, no risk of a Brady run at all, and we still wailed on them! Don't count us out just yet.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:39:54 AMSchoen was the target on the final 2PAT, right? So clearly not "hurt" hurt.
I think it's just Schoen being Schoen, I wouldn't worry about him.
What, a receiver never gets hurt when the ball is thrown to him even if he doesn't touch it? Watch the replay and see if he didn't come down limping.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:40:24 AMI'm pretty sure he came down limping after the play. Whether it's the same leg or same problem is too early to tell. Offence was much better with him playing though.
Night and day difference with him in the lineup. Wheatie had a decent game, as did Clercius, and Mitchell pitched in. Demski was his usual unbelievable self!!
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 02:41:01 AMit was on that play he looked hurt - landed funny and was limping
Ah, I see it. Just the shot immediately after the pick? He was hopping like that a bit earlier too.
If it was the same knee blowing ligaments again he would stay down. I think it works ok, he's just in pain all the time. Something is messed up in there. Doesn't necessarily mean he can't play though.
I saw no nasty leg tackle on him or anything this whole game. No twist-ups with the DBs. Just fairly mundane tackles. He should be able to take at least that low level of punishment!
I think it's time to make more roster changes that aren't the result of injuries. We don't know the status of several players that might have been available this week and we may had some new ones this week. Schmekel and Ball were injured. Possibly Schoen again.
If our import DT's are not good enough, then cut them tomorrow. Airlift in some new bodies.
Our front 4 has been an issue for since 2024. Make a move and get past that everybody is a starter crap.
I already mentioned I'd release Logan. Shake the trees.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 02:45:13 AMNight and day difference with him in the lineup. Wheatie had a decent game, as did Clercius, and Mitchell pitched in. Demski was his usual unbelievable self!!
Every REC made big/clutch plays. All of them. That's what having a more complete corps will do for you. I'm really proud of all the guys, especially the beleaguered Mitchell. He might have earned himself more time on the roster.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:47:15 AMAh, I see it. Just the shot immediately after the pick? He was hopping like that a bit earlier too.
If it was the same knee blowing ligaments again he would stay down. I think it works ok, he's just in pain all the time. Something is messed up in there. Doesn't necessarily mean he can't play though.
I saw no nasty leg tackle on him or anything this whole game. No twist-ups with the DBs. Just fairly mundane tackles. He should be able to take at least that low level of punishment!
Hard to tell what the outcome will be for him.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:48:01 AMSchmekel and Ball were injured. Possibly Schoen again.
No one ever answered if Schmek returned. If not, it's astounding our 2 DTs managed to finish out the game in a decent manner! I guess we could have been putting Ayers in a DT spot, eh?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:48:01 AMI already mentioned I'd release Logan. Shake the trees.
Normally we'd want to give a new guy 3-5 games to shake off the rust and get enough snaps to see what's there. But we may not have the time. However, we definitely need a backup returner, so at worst you PR him. Not like there's any other returners out there right now.
Shouldn't that Nichols punt return SINGLE have been a SAFETY?
Just imagining us being on the other side of a call like that? I think we'd be losing our minds.
Either way. Good coaching call by Mace. Oshea was lost as to what they were gonna do. I was too, thought they were gonna actual go for it
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 02:55:41 AMShouldn't that Nichols punt return SINGLE have been a SAFETY?
Just imagining us being on the other side of a call like that? I think we'd be losing our minds.
Either way. Good coaching call by Mace. Oshea was lost as to what they were gonna do. I was too, thought they were gonna actual go for it
They ruled his momentum carried him in the end zone so by rule only a single point was awarded, and it was the correct call.
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 02:55:41 AMShouldn't that Nichols punt return SINGLE have been a SAFETY?
No, there is a special carve-out rule just for this case. Proulx said it. It has to do with "his own momentum" taking him into the EZ. I'll find you the exact rule later.
Think of it this way: it's usually called "conceding a safety" -- implying a choice. Nichols had no choice, it was unintentional. The only other time a safety can occur without choice is when then O is backed up in the EZ (at the 1) and get sacked or hold.
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 02:55:41 AMEither way. Good coaching call by Mace. Oshea was lost as to what they were gonna do. I was too, thought they were gonna actual go for it
I thought it was a draw-offsides ploy (a Dinwiddie special). But it was a genius move because even a rouge puts us in a bind. I doubt they thought they'd get a safety! They probably just wanted to lock us at the 1.
However, that's asking a lot from your O to pretend they are suddenly the cover team guys!
Next time maybe we'll put Vaval back deep just to cover this off. If Vaval was back deep Mace might have just taken a timecount.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 03:13:00 AMThey ruled his momentum carried him in the end zone so by rule only a single point was awarded, and it was the correct call.
Although that means it's pretty sad that the on-field refs don't know the special rule!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 12:36:35 AMMaybe 5 Brady runs incl the TD? A failed Logan's Run (hehehehe). I think one Demski run? Oh, and a Strev run.
The 5 for Brady is the real headline. I think the TD run was his longest, and it wasn't that long.
As for running more: have you seen that SSK DL? The only way runs are going to work is if they are in pass-rush mode (2nd down) and our OL can trick them into being walled off for a big Brady hole.
Their LBers don't scare me, so any Brady run that beats the DL will get 5-10.
He ran all over Montreal one week ago. When the other team knew we had to run. When we had to use our second string qb as a receiver. That team has a good D line.
It's hard to understand.
They run when They have no other choice. Otherwise, not part of their gameplan. They don't even try.
We took some bad penalties.
We missed far to many tackles.
We gave another deep ball on a busted coverage.
We gave up 5 sacks.
We had no run game at all.
Also a terrible play call on the 2 point conversion.
And yet, if Castillo hits that missed FG we probably win.
Or, we go for 7 instead of 3 on the early turnover.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 03:16:43 AMAlthough that means it's pretty sad that the on-field refs don't know the special rule!!
Guarantee you they all know it, heck us amateur refs know it. The trouble is in real time, it's tough to be absolutely certain was it momentum or did he purposely run into the end zone. In the end they got it right and that's all that really matters.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:48:01 AMI think it's time to make more roster changes that aren't the result of injuries. We don't know the status of several players that might have been available this week and we may had some new ones this week. Schmekel and Ball were injured. Possibly Schoen again.
If our import DT's are not good enough, then cut them tomorrow. Airlift in some new bodies.
Our front 4 has been an issue for since 2024. Make a move and get past that everybody is a starter crap.
I already mentioned I'd release Logan. Shake the trees.
Can't really do that half way through the season unless they're already out of the playoff picture, inserting new players is like starting over from scratch with unknowns, which always brings with it a contagion of errors (ie early season Elks). With the loss of Schmeck they'll have to dress Woods or Adams, maybe both as the D-line was short on gas in the second half and should never have gone into the game with so few players. Did anyone see Person out there at all?
As for Logan, he hasn't shown a spark but he hasn't made errors yet either, they may have to ride out the season with mediocre returns or give the job back to Vaval once Parker returns. Vaval has not been doing well with punt returns since his one huge game, anytime he stops and changes direction he is easily tackled. He needs to pick one direction and just go, the faster he's moving the more tacklers he evades.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 02:48:01 AMI think it's time to make more roster changes that aren't the result of injuries. We don't know the status of several players that might have been available this week and we may had some new ones this week. Schmekel and Ball were injured. Possibly Schoen again.
If our import DT's are not good enough, then cut them tomorrow. Airlift in some new bodies.
Our front 4 has been an issue for since 2024. Make a move and get past that everybody is a starter crap.
I already mentioned I'd release Logan. Shake the trees.
C. Lawson probably had his best game of the season. Vaughters stepped up tonight and play very well. Thomas was missing in action most of the night. With Schmekel injured and no Canadian DTs on the PR we have a problem.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 03:32:05 AMGuarantee you they all know it, heck us amateur refs know it. The trouble is in real time, it's tough to be absolutely certain was it momentum or did he purposely run into the end zone. In the end they got it right and that's all that really matters.
I came close to losing my mind on that play, especially after they denied Caddie a safety when he nailed the returner back into the endzone.
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 03:28:37 AMHe ran all over Montreal one week ago. When the other team knew we had to run. When we had to use our second string qb as a receiver. That team has a good D line.
It's hard to understand.
It is a bit odd. MTL has great run D personnel, but maybe they don't scheme as hard against the run as SSK does? You have to make choices & trade-offs.
But even in the MTL game, didn't Brady take a while to get going? Wasn't his big production in the 2nd H? And we did a whole lot of dump passing. We didn't do that this game.
Plus, we always run Brady more when we're up. We often see Brady disappear when we're down, especially down big.
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 02:55:41 AMShouldn't that Nichols punt return SINGLE have been a SAFETY?
Just imagining us being on the other side of a call like that? I think we'd be losing our minds.
Either way. Good coaching call by Mace. Oshea was lost as to what they were gonna do. I was too, thought they were gonna actual go for it
It's one of those fuzzy rules. From what I recall from The tv broadcast, since his momentum
From picking up the ball took him into the end zone when he was tackled it only is one point even if you fall down in the end zone on the tackle. I thought for sure it was 2 points for Sask too though. A weird one for sure.
Why go shot guy when we need less than one yard, not once but twice. they were lucky on that one touchdown.
Does MOS sit on the film sessions because it seems things don't change much game after game with the same mistakes.
Why can't the coaching staff make changes at half time?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:41:17 AMI came close to losing my mind on that play, especially after they denied Caddie a safety when he nailed the returner back into the endzone.
Ya, but the Cadwall play was a much more clear "forward progress" situation. It's like those times over the years we thought we had a safety when we push the QB back into his EZ. The ball is spotted where the D first stops their progress.
P.S. Amazing hit & tackle by Cadwall. No hesitation, no mercy. Maybe he took it personally the the other game where we got beat on a missed FG return TD.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 03:40:58 AMC. Lawson probably had his best game of the season. Vaughters stepped up tonight and play very well. Thomas was missing in action most of the night. With Schmekel injured and no Canadian DTs on the PR we have a problem.
Fatboi was one of the only guys to put Harris on his butt. His redirection and trackdown of Trevor to get him down was a wonderful thing to watch. Most DTs can't do that: once behind the QB they're out of the play.
He forced the incompletion.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:36:32 AMAs for Logan, he hasn't shown a spark but he hasn't made errors yet either
I'd call that hitch screen drop an error. That was guaranteed 1st down, no one in miles. It was catchable, even by a "RB".
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:36:32 AMVaval has not been doing well with punt returns since his one huge game, anytime he stops and changes direction he is easily tackled. He needs to pick one direction and just go, the faster he's moving the more tacklers he evades.
I don't know. It looked like Miller had things planned up for blocks to take effect for some scheme to develop and open up a lane. They did that like 3 times. Maybe the longest-developing schemes I've ever seen. A couple looked like they may have worked if we got lucky.
A returner has to be able to both the instant hole hit and the dancing. Grant was good at both. Vaval has done both. Maybe we were/are setting them up for a straight up the seam one next time.
Quote from: Blue72 on September 01, 2025, 03:43:09 AMWhy go shot gun when we need less than one yard, not once but twice. they were lucky on that one touchdown.
The one that led to the missed FG was pathetic looking. However, I do like the idea of going for it 30% of the time on 2nd & 1. It's a "free play", why not?
But no one expected Wallace or Neuf to WHIFF COMPLETELY on their block leaving Zach without even 1 sec to heave an ol' Matt Nichols grandstand special.
Our OL has to perform to at least a minimum capability or we really can't run an effective O.
**** the Riders. They are not the best team on the league no matter what their record is. If not for the the refs they allowing all the holding that the Riders do they would never have won. I'm very disappointed that we didn't go for it on 3rd and goal. Also all those inbreds in Sask gor lucky that Castillo missed a field goal otherwise we would have won.
SASK SUCKS.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 02:45:13 AMNight and day difference with him in the lineup. Wheatie had a decent game, as did Clercius, and Mitchell pitched in. Demski was his usual unbelievable self!!
It was interesting on the post game show on CJOB that ZC said when asked if he had confidence in his receivers he said Schoen and Demski yes, with his life. So you know he has all he confidence in the world in the two of them, but you wonder about the rest and it shows with how he throws to them all.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 03:46:46 AMFatboi was one of the only guys to put Harris on his butt. His redirection and trackdown of Trevor to get him down was a wonderful thing to watch. Most DTs can't do that: once behind the QB they're out of the play.
He forced the incompletion.
You need to play the entire game though. He missed a lot of plays too and consistently gets beat. He's also lost a few steps. He does make plays but honestly not enough of them.
We need new bodies ASAP. Canadians please.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 03:16:12 AMBut it was a genius move because even a rouge puts us in a bind.
I doubt Mace is any kind of a genius. That whole play could have gone so wrong for the Riders and could have left Mace looking like a moron. Harris kicks that ball and it just happens to land on it's point in such a way that it scoots with great velocity along the ground towards the end zone and puts us in a huge bind. If you had him kick that ball 10 times I doubt you'd get such a fortunate result with any of them. Pure horseshit luck! It's just as likely he squibs it sideways, or it bounces up and is easily fielded for a big return, or any of a number of results that don't favour the Riders. That play was a gift from God and saved the Riders the embarrassment of blowing that game right out their ***** which they definitely tried to do. I have a feeling that that team is going to come crashing down to earth in the most spectacular way and it's going to be so delicious when it happens. I can't wait.
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 03:28:37 AMHe ran all over Montreal one week ago. When the other team knew we had to run. When we had to use our second string qb as a receiver. That team has a good D line.
It's hard to understand.
They run when They have no other choice. Otherwise, not part of their gameplan. They don't even try.
I suspect the approach the mafia take with this football team is all about being ready when it really matters -- the playoffs and the Grey Cup. They seem to use these regular season games to figure out what works and what is most likely to win when it matters. That's how you get to 5 Grey Cups in a row. It's not a fluke. These guys aren't stupid and I have every confidence that they may very well make it 6 in a row.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 03:46:46 AMFatboi was one of the only guys to put Harris on his butt. His redirection and trackdown of Trevor to get him down was a wonderful thing to watch. Most DTs can't do that: once behind the QB they're out of the play.
He forced the incompletion.
Yes he did and thank you for giving him props when he plays well. He's a heart-and-soul player and there's a reason he's on this team and playing.
Quote from: tlf on September 01, 2025, 05:10:12 AMYou need to play the entire game though. He missed a lot of plays too and consistently gets beat. He's also lost a few steps. He does make plays but honestly not enough of them.
We need new bodies ASAP. Canadians please.
I agree, JT is having a very good year. 11 games, 7 DTs, 0 Sacks, 0 FF. If he was an American he would have been cut weeks ago.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 06:29:54 AMI agree, JT is having a very good year. 11 games, 7 DTs, 0 Sacks, 0 FF. If he was an American he would have been cut weeks ago.
<In my best Whatever Happened To Baby Jane voice> But he is a NAT, isn't he!
He's also one of the vettiest of all D vets in the league.
He's also NEVER INJURED. EVER. Show me one other DL like that. Name one. And especially since DTs have short careers.
You know what, he didn't get any stat for that great play this game, or any like it in other games. He makes a series-stopping play, gets a possible injury on Trevor, and zero credit.
No, he's not the best NAT DT ever. No he can't hold a candle to Nevis/Stove/Poop. But all those other guys lasted only a few seasons before injuries made them unplayable. Yet here is Fatboi...
Upon further reflection, we did remarkably well. The only reason we lost was too many little mistakes. The worst was the Brady fumble. Game was in the balance up until then. Maybe next was all the personnel botches, coaching botches, and stupid penalties.
SSK had very few long drives. Their normal thing wasn't working. They really couldn't do much except run outside for easy TDs. They did not look like a #1 team. They are thoroughly beatable.
If we had limited the mistakes by 50% we likely win easily. And that's the good news, because there's no excuse for those mistakes, and they should be easily correctable. It's discipline, focus, and coaching/planning.
That also means we had pretty good schemes and execution: enough to move the ball against the "impervious" SSK D. We were the ones with the long drives and tons of huge deep bombs.
Wasn't it Demski who a while back was fumbling all the time and they all figured it out and he stopped? He went from a liability costing us games to our top guy. Everyone needs to do the same this week. If we do that, we win BB easily, and likely our 3rd meeting in a few weeks. We just have to hope that's enough to beat them for #1 in the W (if CGY falters).
This is a poorly coached team that makes mistake after mistake. 5 carries for the best player in the league....... Total incompetence.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 02:02:23 AMZach has been really bad throwing on the run. He needs to stop to re-establish.
Early and mid-career this was his bread and butter. Zach himself seems to be the last person to realize the limitations age has put on him. The coaches need to tell him but I'm not sure MOS would never approve of it. Zach is his guy and will be until he decides to retire or an injury does it for him. We don't even have an heir apparent on the roster. That says it all.
Collaros played his best game of the season yesterday and had a lot of success against a pretty dominating pass rush.
You could say he missed a couple of throws while scrambling, but he was always scrambling and rarely by choice.
I wouldn't be throwing any shade on Zach for that one and I've been fairly critical earlier in the season.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2025, 01:51:58 AMlawson - wow that a facemask
Yes, and Oulette doing the flag throwing motion is illegal too. So two penalties missed.
Griffin 7 DTs
Wilson 5 DTs, 1 FF, 1 PD.
Lawson 3 DTs, 1 Sack, 1 FF.
Vaughters 3 DTs, 1 PD.
Vaval 1 DT, missed a few tackles.
Clercius 4/5 85 yards.
BO20 5/24 yards, 1 TD, 1 Fumble.
ZC8 26/37 326 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int, 8.8 avg.
Quote from: Waffler on September 01, 2025, 12:47:19 PMYes, and Oulette doing the flag throwing motion is illegal too. So two penalties missed.
CFL has not penalized the "flag motion" for at least 2-3 seasons now. It's SUPPOSED to be illegal, but they don't care. So many players do it all the time now. Only if you're doing it for like a minute and getting in the refs face will they flag it.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 12:53:08 PMVaval 1 DT, missed a few tackles.
Ya, but how many were against one of their 250 lb RBs... Vaval is tiny and cannot stop those guys with speed. That's not his job, the DL & LBers & FS are failing if it's up to Vaval to stop a rusher out the backfield. (Screens and passes to RBs are a bit different though, and should be stopped by Vaval before they get steam, if it's his area/guy.)
Defence actually had a strong game.
Offence recorded lots of yards and points, even if they didn't utilize Brady.
Difference was 3 turnovers on the opponent goal line. We kicked one FG, they scored 2 TDs.
Examining the final 2PAT: the play is too simple and obvious. And we probably have run it often before so the DB has film study. The rub beside Schoen was PERFECt and was good enough to leave so many things wide open for Schoen. In fact, I'm not sure if it's not Schoen who misread what his DB was doing and made the wrong choice.
If Schoen sits exactly where he is at the GL, it's an easy completion with zero DBs able to reach him. If he cuts inside a little bit, still an easy completion (post guys had cleared that area). There was zero reason to run outside. Only by running the out did that free up the Campbell to undercut it!!
Schoen could have also stopped and come back to the ball. If he takes a single peek during his break to see that DB was coming free then he'd know he was coming. If he stops (he was just trotting slowly at this point so it'd be easy) and comes back to Zach a couple of feet (maybe jumps) then the DB crashes into him ("going through the REC") and it's DPI.
The play could have also been right at the rail. Throw it to the cone and maybe we beat that DB. Why throw it so/where Schoen has to wait for it? Why ever have a REC stop on an out when there are potential ballhawks around?
And it's not just the floater that was the problem: Zach was a bit too late. If that was his "going to Schoen no matter what" read then he should have thrown it BEFORE his break. He waited until he thought the rub worked. This is a trust/timing throw that MTL and SSK do so well. Half a second sooner and the DB isn't there yet.
It aggravates me to no end that our RECs never seem to try to peek what might be coming from the side/behind, and we never seem to come toward the ball. Simply coming forward every time (assuming you have sufficient depth to your target line) can stop or get DPI out of a vast majority of these types of picks.
And Clercius was open for a corner fade too. Should have thrown to him. He had his man beat and outside leverage. That's the safer throw as put it to the back for the big/tall guy and only he can catch it. He had the hot hands this game, not Schoen. And Clercius was a legit read, not just a rub/clearer, as he was intently looking for the ball when he broke toward the corner. But Zach chose the guy he "trusts with his life" rather than the hot hand.
So I'm saying there's a bit of laziness and incompetence by everyone involved here. Hogan could have done better scheming these things. Zach could have picked the better read, thrown sooner, thrown harder, or thrown wider, or thrown to Clercius in the corner. Schoen could have just sat in the hole, or come back toward the ball. Literally any of these things would have given us the 2 pts.
We don't draw up some good, smart 2PAT plays at the beginning of the season just for this exact thing? If we do, and this is the result, it's pathetic. It's just a standard red zone pass play that we'd run in many red zone situations. This needs to change. You can see the result of other teams with their special "must get 2PAT to tie/win" schemes. You can tell when they trot them out because they nearly always succeed because they are novel and there is no film on them yet.
We were all robbed of a riveting OT duel and potential epic LDC. Very sad.
P.S. Brady run would have likely failed. They brought 6 on 5 and every gap was canceled. It would have taken a great effort & luck for our shoddy OL to make a hole through that.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:36:32 AMCan't really do that half way through the season unless they're already out of the playoff picture, inserting new players is like starting over from scratch with unknowns, which always brings with it a contagion of errors (ie early season Elks). With the loss of Schmeck they'll have to dress Woods or Adams, maybe both as the D-line was short on gas in the second half and should never have gone into the game with so few players. Did anyone see Person out there at all?
As for Logan, he hasn't shown a spark but he hasn't made errors yet either, they may have to ride out the season with mediocre returns or give the job back to Vaval once Parker returns. Vaval has not been doing well with punt returns since his one huge game, anytime he stops and changes direction he is easily tackled. He needs to pick one direction and just go, the faster he's moving the more tacklers he evades.
Yeah you can. We've already cut some players. The bottom line is that if some players aren't good enough it's time to make some changes. Not every addition has to be a rookie. We picked up Houston and he should be an upgrade when he's ready to play.
Parker may be available soon as well.
Vanterpool seems healthy and could replace Wallace at LG. I'm not 100% convinced he's better but Wallace hasn't been great. It creates a ratio change but I'd bump Logan back to PR if not released out right. We have others that can do that.
Makonzo is another option to bring onto the AR.
We added Echols and Moore recently. While Mitchell had a better game last night, one of these receivers might be a better option to stretch defences. Mitchell made some tough catches but it's still a total of 79 yards in 4 games at this point.
It doesn't appear Sterns will be available for awhile but he'll bump Mitchell assuming Schoen didn't get injured again.
Vibert could help as a 7th OL on the AR. Munier-Bailey was the 2nd pick in the global draft. Time to see if some of these players can do something.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:29:53 PMExamining the final 2PAT:
Schoen could have also stopped and come back to the ball.
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And it's not just the floater that was the problem: Zach was a bit too late. If that was his "going to Schoen no matter what" read then he should have thrown it BEFORE his break. He waited until he thought the rub worked. This is a trust/timing throw that MTL and SSK do so well. Half a second sooner and the DB isn't there yet.
I see this as an easy conversion except Zach can't get the ball out there on a rope. So to me the floater is 100% the problem. Watch Schoen's legs, he had to wait, wait. wait. Just too long in the air as most of Zach's pics are lately.
the replay:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOCxfMCiRTB/
and I post a pic of where the ball was while Schoen was busy being wide open.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 01:31:58 PMYeah you can. We've already cut some players. The bottom line is that if some players aren't good enough it's time to make some changes. Not every addition has to be a rookie. We picked up Houston and he should be an upgrade when he's ready to play.
Parker may be available soon as well.
Vanterpool seems healthy and could replace Wallace at LG. I'm not 100% convinced he's better but Wallace hasn't been great. It creates a ratio change but I'd bump Logan back to PR if not released out right. We have others that can do that.
Makonzo is another option to bring onto the AR.
We added Echols and Moore recently. While Mitchell had a better game last night, one of these receivers might be a better option to stretch defences. Mitchell made some tough catches but it's still a total of 79 yards in 4 games at this point.
It doesn't appear Sterns will be available for awhile but he'll bump Mitchell assuming Schoen didn't get injured again.
Vibert could help as a 7th OL on the AR. Munier-Bailey was the 2nd pick in the global draft. Time to see if some of these players can do something.
They came extremely close to beating a team above them in the standings in an extremely hostile environment, how do any of these changes you've proposed improve their immediate chances of winning next WE in the Banjo Bowl? I believe the change in environment will be enough to flip the script and they may even be able to dominate the Riders. When you're suggesting untested players will improve the team immediately, you're more or less grasping at straws.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:14:42 PMThey came extremely close to beating a team above them in the standings in an extremely hostile environment, how do any of these changes you've proposed improve their immediate chances of winning next WE in the Banjo Bowl? I believe the change in environment will be enough to flip the script and they may even be able to dominate the Riders. When you're suggesting untested players will improve the team immediately, you're more or less grasping at straws.
I totally agree we will win the Banjo Bowl. What worries me is we may have seen a preview of the western semi in THEIR ball yard. How do we win that game? That's what matters. Quite the race in the west though. If Calgary wins today the points first to last will be: 18, 16, 12, 10, 8 .
Quote from: Blue72 on September 01, 2025, 03:43:09 AMWhy go shot guy when we need less than one yard, not once but twice. they were lucky on that one touchdown.
Does MOS sit on the film sessions because it seems things don't change much game after game with the same mistakes.
Why can't the coaching staff make changes at half time?
I made the necessary changes I left and went to bed by halftime! lol
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 03:29:22 AMWe took some bad penalties.
We missed far to many tackles.
We gave another deep ball on a busted coverage.
We gave up 5 sacks.
We had no run game at all.
Also a terrible play call on the 2 point conversion.
And yet, if Castillo hits that missed FG we probably win.
Or, we go for 7 instead of 3 on the early turnover.
putting it that way it sounds like the game was ultimate torture session.
I didn't know as I was in back in my hotel bedroom by 6:15pm Regina time :D
What player did they say recover the onside kick for Sask?
Sure looked like Sergio had first dibbs.
Would have liked to see more Bombers in that pile mucking it up. Refs gave it to Sask cause it was 6 on 1 for poor Sergio.
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 03:55:25 PMWhat player did they say recover the onside kick for Sask?
Sure looked like Sergio had first dibbs.
Would have liked to see more Bombers in that pile mucking it up. Refs gave it to Sask cause it was 6 on 1 for poor Sergio.
They need to change the rules in pileups, when a ref. taps a player and tells him to exit the pile, he needs to obey, not ignore the command repeatedly. CC could sort this out by determining the first player player to have possession, as they're already down.
Quote from: Sway on September 01, 2025, 03:55:25 PMWhat player did they say recover the onside kick for Sask?
Sure looked like Sergio had first dibbs.
Would have liked to see more Bombers in that pile mucking it up. Refs gave it to Sask cause it was 6 on 1 for poor Sergio.
Sask is a team playing hard to win for each other and the HC. That's not the Bombers anymore. It's becoming more and more apparent every game.
We only came close because Regina made huge blunders in the last 5 minutes of the game. First they fumbled a return on our 45-yard line to give us an extra set of downs and good field position. Then on 3rd and 14, they took a 50 yard PI when all they had to do was knock the ball down, giving us another set of downs on their 20.
Watch the 2 point pick for the TD again. The DB baited Collaros because he knew that it was a long ball that he could easily knock down. The fact that he caught it and ran it back for 2 points was just gravy.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 01, 2025, 04:16:08 PMWe only came close because Regina made huge blunders in the last 5 minutes of the game. First they fumbled a return on our 45-yard line to give us an extra set of downs and good field position. Then on 3rd and 14, they took a 50 yard PI when all they had to do was knock the ball down, giving us another set of downs on their 20.
Watch the 2 point pick for the TD again. The DB baited Collaros because he knew that it was a long ball that he could easily knock down. The fact that he caught it and ran it back for 2 points was just gravy.
We only lost because we fumbled the ball twice on our own goal line.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 01, 2025, 04:16:08 PMWe only came close because Regina made huge blunders in the last 5 minutes of the game. First they fumbled a return on our 45-yard line to give us an extra set of downs and good field position. Then on 3rd and 14, they took a 50 yard PI when all they had to do was knock the ball down, giving us another set of downs on their 20.
Watch the 2 point pick for the TD again. The DB baited Collaros because he knew that it was a long ball that he could easily knock down. The fact that he caught it and ran it back for 2 points was just gravy.
All Shoen had to do was sit a yard in the goal line and Zach hit him with a quickie. Would have been a better play. Similar to the TD the play before
Lobbing a 60 yard 2 yard out pass and Schoen not coming back for it not a good decision
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:14:42 PMThey came extremely close to beating a team above them in the standings in an extremely hostile environment, how do any of these changes you've proposed improve their immediate chances of winning next WE in the Banjo Bowl? I believe the change in environment will be enough to flip the script and they may even be able to dominate the Riders. When you're suggesting untested players will improve the team immediately, you're more or less grasping at straws.
We have to improve our OL protection for Collaros. Our best games were when Vanterpool was at LG. Obviously that was against different teams but it's become obvious that Wallace is not great so far.
Noting that when Vanterpool was at LG that let Wallace be the extra blocker which seemed to benefit our run game. Overall a better combination.
I've suggested that Weitz is only playing because we have some injured Canadians. If we don't gain a healthy Canadian body, then Bailey would be my preference as a 2nd global player. He was supposed to be a skilled DE / rush end. Even without starting he'd be an advantage on defence. Weitz only is on ST's for very few plays.
Giving us another rotational piece on defence helps not having our front 7 burn out in the 4th Q.
Moore in particular has experience at punt and K/O returns as well as a very good receiver. Like I said, Mitchell has 79 yards in 4 games. So greater experience and versatility from Moore.
Those are why I believe those changes would be an improvement.
Moore would also offset the change in removing Logan and not pushing all the return duties to Vaval. That change could potentially also allow using a 3 import OL with Vanderpool.
Like most choices a lot depends on the injury status of several players. Can Kramdi return next week? Can Schmekel play? Balancing the ratio and ability to replace depth on the DL are issues.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 01, 2025, 04:16:08 PMWe only came close because Regina made huge blunders in the last 5 minutes of the game. First they fumbled a return on our 45-yard line to give us an extra set of downs and good field position. Then on 3rd and 14, they took a 50 yard PI when all they had to do was knock the ball down, giving us another set of downs on their 20.
Watch the 2 point pick for the TD again. The DB baited Collaros because he knew that it was a long ball that he could easily knock down. The fact that he caught it and ran it back for 2 points was just gravy.
They didn't fumble, the ball was punched out.
The PI was earned by Demski.
The 2 pt conversion was a mistake on our part, that's classic BO20 time.
The fact we were even in the game to the last play against the first place Riders in their barn is amazing.
A few little things cleaned up, and we win that game.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2025, 05:26:31 PMThey didn't fumble, the ball was punched out.
The PI was earned by Demski.
The 2 pt conversion was a mistake on our part, that's classic BO20 time.
The fact we were even in the game to the last play against the first place Riders in their barn is amazing.
A few little things cleaned up, and we win that game.
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Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2025, 05:26:31 PMThey didn't fumble, the ball was punched out.
The PI was earned by Demski.
The 2 pt conversion was a mistake on our part, that's classic BO20 time.
The fact we were even in the game to the last play against the first place Riders in their barn is amazing.
A few little things cleaned up, and we win that game.
Bombers used to be the team the won games by taking advantage of what their opponent did wrong: Penalties, turnovers and mental mistakes.
Now we've become that opponent that teams beat for those same reasons. IIRC we have the worst turnover ratio in the league at the moment. We're taking more penalties than in the past.
Every game we question some play calling on defence or offence that blows our minds. The 2 point convert is a perfect example. Putting Streveler in on the 1st and goal from the 5 would be another.
Yes, all of that can be corrected. However, none of that has been corrected and that was game 11.
Our last loss to the Stamps and the game against the Riders may have pushed us down to a 3rd place finish. Two games lost by a total of 5 points and we let both of those games slip away due to those kinds of errors.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 05:31:23 PMI'm not sure Fox, Haba and Garbutt are good examples. We didn't appear to re-sign them when they hit free agency. Is Haba still on a roster somewhere? Garbutt is on 6 game IR. Fox gets to play next to Sayles which would make a difference.
Bombers kept Adams and Woods and they've both been demoted to our PR.
Haba got picked up by BC? Can't remember, has bounced around. Garbutt was getting reps , Fox been solid.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 30, 2025, 07:49:50 PMlawson is likely good for two torchings and vaval one. just gotta keep pace with our offence and keep our defence off the field as much as possible.
couple turnovers by sask and maybe a special teams TD and we can squeak one out on the road even with giving up some big yardage plays
D held up fine, no sign of the torchings as predicted
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 01:31:58 PMVanterpool seems healthy and could replace Wallace at LG. I'm not 100% convinced he's better but Wallace hasn't been great. It creates a ratio change but I'd bump Logan back to PR if not released out right. We have others that can do that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 04:53:40 PMWe have to improve our OL protection for Collaros. Our best games were when Vanterpool was at LG. Obviously that was against different teams but it's become obvious that Wallace is not great so far.
Noting that when Vanterpool was at LG that let Wallace be the extra blocker which seemed to benefit our run game. Overall a better combination.
You answered your own question! The whiffs that Wallace did vs SSK Vant never did. Not once. And this wasn't the first game Wallace did that... They always said, plainly and out loud, that "the young kids" (Wallace) have trouble with pass pro. And every scout report on Wallace always said he was slow. (Well duh, he's 800 lbs., you try moving fast with that bulk.)
Maybe we tried extra hard for more games than we had to because we really want to have the advantage of a NAT LG (who doesn't), but it's costing us games, and could cost us Zach. Go back to the stronger set, AND get Lofton back at RT! That was the peak (this season), and the best we can probably hope for until '26.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 01:31:58 PMWe added Echols and Moore recently. While Mitchell had a better game last night, one of these receivers might be a better option to stretch defences. Mitchell made some tough catches but it's still a total of 79 yards in 4 games at this point.
It dawned on me that Mitchell & Wheatie were finally good for once precisely because Moore & Echols are lighting fires under their butts. Their starting jobs are very much on the line. And they could even find themselves cut or PR'd. Especially Mitchell, to whom we owe no loyalty or "long service award".
In fact, maybe that was half the reason for bringing in the 2 guys (the other half being to cover off potential/expected REC injuries)... using them as not so subtle threats. And it worked, Mitchell finally starting to be open or find the hole, and both making great big-effort (and potentially injurious) catches.
(Ya, Wheatie had that other good game, but most of the time he's invisible.)
Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2025, 05:26:31 PMThey didn't fumble, the ball was punched out.
Potatoe potato. Only maybe 5% of turnovers-while-carrying are guys just dropping it on their own with no one around for miles.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 01, 2025, 04:16:08 PMWe only came close because Regina made huge blunders in the last 5 minutes of the game. First they fumbled a return on our 45-yard line to give us an extra set of downs and good field position. Then on 3rd and 14, they took a 50 yard PI when all they had to do was knock the ball down, giving us another set of downs on their 20.
We gave them even more freebies than they gave us. Things only went south when Brady fumbled a "let's be safe and get out of this and punt" basically in our own red zone. That was 100% the Blunder Of The Game. And shameful, as it only happened because he didn't want to huwt his witto head and awms fawwing fowawd, so he put his 2nd arm out to break his fall. Something you didn't see Liver King or Nobody-Two-Touchdown do.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 02:01:38 AMWe gave them even more freebies than they gave us. Things only went south when Brady fumbled a "let's be safe and get out of this and punt" basically in our own red zone. That was 100% the Blunder Of The Game. And shameful, as it only happened because he didn't want to huwt his witto head and awms fawwing fowawd, so he put his 2nd arm out to break his fall.
I think Brady's been playing with a bum shoulder that is taking forever to heal and who knows what other bumps and bruises. Like Harris, he doesn't want to come out and sit. If I'm right it may have lead to the fumble if he's trying to protect some nagging injuries. I'm willing to cut him some slack as he has proven himself to be one tough customer that has always run hard for us. Besides, there were plenty of blunders being committed by myriad Bombers in that game that all contributed to the loss. The good news is that despite that we were still in it right until the end and never gave up and very nearly pulled it out at the end. It's better happening now than in November when it matters the most. Flush this one and on to the BB.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:35:28 PMBombers used to be the team the won games by taking advantage of what their opponent did wrong: Penalties, turnovers and mental mistakes.
Now we've become that opponent that teams beat for those same reasons. IIRC we have the worst turnover ratio in the league at the moment. We're taking more penalties than in the past.
Every game we question some play calling on defence or offence that blows our minds. The 2 point convert is a perfect example. Putting Streveler in on the 1st and goal from the 5 would be another.
Yes, all of that can be corrected. However, none of that has been corrected and that was game 11.
Our last loss to the Stamps and the game against the Riders may have pushed us down to a 3rd place finish. Two games lost by a total of 5 points and we let both of those games slip away due to those kinds of errors.
You're describing football, no game is ever perfect, both the winning and losing teams make loads of mistakes and weird things happen every single game. If it wasn't so we could bet on the sure winner every time and give up working for a living, but far more likely you go broke betting on football before you ever figure it out.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on Today at 06:31:39 AMYou're describing football, no game is ever perfect, both the winning and losing teams make loads of mistakes and weird things happen every single game.
Ya, but the others are correct in saying
we used to be the team that took the least penalties (for years) and
we used to be the team that, averaged out over a season, made the fewest mistakes.
Now we're the ones with dumb penalties and dumb mistakes and it's costing us winnable close games.
I think MOS needs to address this more with the players. Other teams have massively increased their focus and decreased their penalties. Like SSK. The personnel hasn't changed much, it's the attitude and leadership and coaching.
Quote from: J5V on Today at 02:35:32 AMI think Brady's been playing with a bum shoulder that is taking forever to heal and who knows what other bumps and bruises.
True. And that could very well be the problem in this instance. It was his right arm he was putting down, is that the bum one or the good one?
However, if he feels he has to do that, and it costs us fumbles for 7, then should Brady be playing? He cost us much more in that game than he gave us (yes, he got a TD, but not much else except a nice dump pass with YAC). Couldn't Peterson get us -2 yards in a quarter also? The fumble wasn't just the 7, it was the lead and all the momentum -- and morale.