Blue Bombers Transactions - August 17, 2025
WINNIPEG, MB., August 17, 2025 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the club has added two defensive backs to the practice roster in Demerio Houston and Russell Dandy.
Houston (5-11, 170; Southern: born: September 3, 1996, in Shelby, NC) returns to the Blue Bombers after spending the 2024 season with the Calgary Stampeders. Houston spent 2021-23 with the Blue Bombers, appearing in 30 games – including 26 starts – and totalled 84 defensive tackles while adding nine interceptions, including one for a touchdown.
He was a member of the 2021 Grey Cup championship team and named a West Division and CFL All-Star in 2023 before signing with Calgary as a free agent in 2024. Last year, he had five interceptions, and 74 defensive tackles – both team highs for the Stamps – and added a quarterback sack.
Dandy (6-0, 170, Eastern Illinois; born: April 28, 2000, in Hinesville, GA) is back with the Blue Bombers after being among the team's final cuts at the conclusion of training camp. He was also in camp with the team in 2024.
Dandy started his collegiate career with Butte College (2018-19) and then transferred to Eastern Illinois (2021-23). In his final year there he was selected First Team All-Big South Conference and led the FCS in passes defended with 19, adding one interception. He attended the New York Jets rookie minicamp in 2024 before heading north to the Blue Bombers.
The team has also released American running back Quinton Cooley from the practice roster.
good moves - i guess the charges were a non issue after they were dismissed or suspended (whatever the legal terms are).
here is article regarding his charges being dismissed
https://3downnation.com/2025/03/21/domestic-violence-charge-against-cfl-db-demerio-houston-dismissed/
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 17, 2025, 04:40:31 PMBlue Bombers Transactions - August 17, 2025
WINNIPEG, MB., August 17, 2025 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the club has added two defensive backs to the practice roster in Demerio Houston and Russell Dandy.
Houston (5-11, 170; Southern: born: September 3, 1996, in Shelby, NC) returns to the Blue Bombers after spending the 2024 season with the Calgary Stampeders. Houston spent 2021-23 with the Blue Bombers, appearing in 30 games – including 26 starts – and totalled 84 defensive tackles while adding nine interceptions, including one for a touchdown.
He was a member of the 2021 Grey Cup championship team and named a West Division and CFL All-Star in 2023 before signing with Calgary as a free agent in 2024. Last year, he had five interceptions, and 74 defensive tackles – both team highs for the Stamps – and added a quarterback sack.
Dandy (6-0, 170, Eastern Illinois; born: April 28, 2000, in Hinesville, GA) is back with the Blue Bombers after being among the team's final cuts at the conclusion of training camp. He was also in camp with the team in 2024.
Dandy started his collegiate career with Butte College (2018-19) and then transferred to Eastern Illinois (2021-23). In his final year there he was selected First Team All-Big South Conference and led the FCS in passes defended with 19, adding one interception. He attended the New York Jets rookie minicamp in 2024 before heading north to the Blue Bombers.
The team has also released American running back Quinton Cooley from the practice roster.
Inevitable, no sense holding onto an Import RB when a Natl. is the starter. Glad to see Dandy back, he showed well in the second pre-season game.
Wow. Big moves.
I thought we'd see some new faces but not any particular positions or familiar faces. Bringing 2 DB's in is a good decision but we may see other changes in trickle down impact on the PR.
Either way, this is going to change the role of Vaval back to return specialist primarily and back up DB. I'm ok with that but I wonder if D. Lawson's time on the AR will be shortened as well.
Houston is probably capable of starting this week even on a short week if he's stayed in shape.
This probably means Parker won't be back for a longer time frame and could be moved to 6 game IR?
Cooley being released is somewhat of a surprise but his passport was always going to be an issue. Peterson is the back up.
I won't be surprised if there is a bit more shuffling of the rosters.
Nice to have a experienced CFL DB back in fold.
Houston left for the money, and I don't know why it didn't work for him, whether it was the wrong scheme, or if it was him.
I don't think we bring him back if they don't think he is going to be able to fit in. Which hopefully means we get some semblance of the old Houston.
Last cut in TC is usually a player with potential. What he's been doing since he was cut is important, if he's been working and learning the scheme, and watching the games, he might just pick up where he left.
Definitely not bad moves, we will see if they are good moves.
Good moves, we need the depth and Houston is likely an upgrade over what we have.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2025, 07:08:22 PMHouston left for the money, and I don't know why it didn't work for him, whether it was the wrong scheme, or if it was him.
I don't think we bring him back if they don't think he is going to be able to fit in. Which hopefully means we get some semblance of the old Houston.
Last cut in TC is usually a player with potential. What he's been doing since he was cut is important, if he's been working and learning the scheme, and watching the games, he might just pick up where he left.
Definitely not bad moves, we will see if they are good moves.
He did fine in Calgary it was the legal issues that kept him off the roster, then they were able to find some good corners and cheaper.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2025, 07:08:22 PMHouston left for the money, and I don't know why it didn't work for him, whether it was the wrong scheme, or if it was him.
It didn't work out because he was arrested for domestic violence and the league instructed the Stamps to cut him.
Smart moves. Improves the secondary immediately. Cooley I feel for him but MOS tried to get him on the roster multiple ways. RB, kick returner and I even saw him lined up at wideout in practice for a few plays, didn't feel at liberty to disclose that at the time. We just don't have a place for him sadly. I am convinced he can play CFL ball though.
Quote from: Waffler on August 17, 2025, 07:53:13 PMSmart moves. Improves the secondary immediately. Cooley I feel for him but MOS tried to get him on the roster multiple ways. RB, kick returner and I even saw him lined up at wideout in practice for a few plays, didn't feel at liberty to disclose that at the time. We just don't have a place for him sadly. I am convinced he can play CFL ball though.
Unfortunate, hopefully Cooley can catch on as backup somewhere else, maybe in Ottawa behind Stanback. RB quality has improved dramatically in the last 2 years following the Bombers lead, Butler, Rankin, Mills, Bell, Oullette, Thomas-Erlington all playing very well. Brady facing stiff competition at his position probably won't make all-star this season.
Good likely starter and depth signing. I don't like the violence history but I guess we can give the benefit of the doubt on this one. Important to ensure the Bomber organization employs athletes that would reflect out community values and ethics.
Super happy to have Houston back. He was our shut down corner before he left, and it weren't for Bonds showing so well, we'd still be thinking about him. Now with Bonds out and already being weak on the other side, this is very much welcome and needed.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 17, 2025, 08:44:47 PMGood likely starter and depth signing. I don't like the violence history but I guess we can give the benefit of the doubt on this one. Important to ensure the Bomber organization employs athletes that would reflect out community values and ethics.
He 100% does not, so you kind of have to make a decision on this one. Club is ignoring his off-field issues because they need him on the field.
Quote from: Jesse on August 17, 2025, 08:52:52 PMHe 100% does not, so you kind of have to make a decision on this one. Club is ignoring his off-field issues because they need him on the field.
Innocent until proven guilty. Charges dismissed which is not the same as not being responsible, so it's something to be aware as an organization.
A bit on the fence on that aspect of things. I have zero tolerance for domestic abuse, and you could argue where there is smoke there is fire. On the other hand, the charges were dismissed after reviewing the evidence. Do we stay away from any player that's even been charged with a crime, even if the charges are dismissed? Is that fair to the player? Tough decision. If I was Walters, I actually might have stayed away, (we're under no obligation to bring him back,and someone else would likely have picked him up, so he would not be deprived of his livelihood) but I guess he decided differently.
Quote from: Jesse on August 17, 2025, 08:52:52 PMHe 100% does not, so you kind of have to make a decision on this one. Club is ignoring his off-field issues because they need him on the field.
Yeah I little unfortunate. The CFL has a decent track record on this stuff but at times we welcome back players with questionable pasts. Seen it more back in the day with NFL cast aways.
Anyone can alledge anything at any time. If the charges are dropped and expunged, I don't see what there is to be upset about. It's not a good story, but statistically the police in the US sure like to lock up certain segments of the US population, and if they're saying he's free to go that's good enough for me. No judgement here.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 17, 2025, 11:01:01 PMAnyone can alledge anything at any time. If the charges are dropped and expunged, I don't see what there is to be upset about. It's not a good story, but statistically the police in the US sure like to lock up certain segments of the US population, and if they're saying he's free to go that's good enough for me. No judgement here.
Exactly.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 17, 2025, 11:01:01 PMAnyone can alledge anything at any time. If the charges are dropped and expunged, I don't see what there is to be upset about. It's not a good story, but statistically the police in the US sure like to lock up certain segments of the US population, and if they're saying he's free to go that's good enough for me. No judgement here.
This particular charge was dropped, but apparently it was just the latest in a long series of abuse that the victim has been afraid to press charges on because Houston is the sole provider for the household.
It's a really sad story.
And plenty of people don't care about a player's personal life if they can help the team, but let's not pretend it doesn't exist.
Charges dismissed without leave meaning the prosecution has ended the case without permission to refile. This dismissal typically results from insufficient evidence.
She claims they argued and he hit her in the face with a suitcase. The suitcase apparently left no mark that you could call evidence. So probably the ONLY evidence was the word of an angry spouse against another angry spouse. Seems like to me I don't know who the victim is here.
Calgary was ready to take him back but the league said no at that time. Maybe they are now not convinced he did anything.
Quote from: Waffler on August 17, 2025, 11:39:01 PMCharges dismissed without leave meaning the prosecution has ended the case without permission to refile. This dismissal typically results from insufficient evidence.
She claims they argued and he hit her in the face with a suitcase. The suitcase apparently left no mark that you could call evidence. So probably the ONLY evidence was the word of an angry spouse against another angry spouse. Seems like to me I don't know who the victim is here.
Calgary was ready to take him back but the league said no at that time. Maybe they are now not convinced he did anything.
But also this:
"The issuing magistrate wrote the accused had a history of domestic violence against the victim but she had previously been afraid to come forward about the "physical, mental, and emotional abuse" as he was the main source of financial support for her and their three young children"https://3downnation.com/2025/03/21/domestic-violence-charge-against-cfl-db-demerio-houston-dismissed/
The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind. Not sure how the magistrate can say that if he has never been charged or convicted. If I said it, isn't it libel?
Quote from: Jesse on August 17, 2025, 11:52:43 PMBut also this:
"The issuing magistrate wrote the accused had a history of domestic violence against the victim but she had previously been afraid to come forward about the "physical, mental, and emotional abuse" as he was the main source of financial support for her and their three young children"
https://3downnation.com/2025/03/21/domestic-violence-charge-against-cfl-db-demerio-houston-dismissed/
It seems this was part of the original arrest warrant issued by the magistrate, presumably following the complaint of his wife, and presumably served as justification for the warrant. Whether there is any independent corroboration, (apart from her complaint) is not clear, and if there was, it seems strange that the charges were ultimately dismissed. Again, its hard to really know what exactly happened just based on what's been reported. While the majority of domestic violence criminal charges are likely backed by solid evidence, false accusations do happen (reported incidence of 8-33% from a google search). I suspect there was something there, but in the absence of more evidence, we really don't know.
Quote from: bunker on August 18, 2025, 12:10:41 AMIt seems this was part of the original arrest warrant issued by the magistrate, presumably following the complaint of his wife, and presumably served as justification for the warrant. Whether there is any independent corroboration, (apart from her complaint) is not clear, and if there was, it seems strange that the charges were ultimately dismissed. Again, its hard to really know what exactly happened just based on what's been reported. While the majority of domestic violence criminal charges are likely backed by solid evidence, false accusations do happen (reported incidence of 8-33% from a google search). I suspect there was something there, but in the absence of more evidence, we really don't know.
Of course. And I don't want to sit here and pretend that I know what did or did not happen.
But I absolutely criticize and hate on other teams for signing players who should be not be allowed to play professional sports, so I don't want to put my head in the sand because it's the Bombers this time around.
Quote from: Jesse on August 17, 2025, 11:12:55 PMThis particular charge was dropped, but apparently it was just the latest in a long series of abuse that the victim has been afraid to press charges on because Houston is the sole provider for the household.
It's a really sad story.
And plenty of people don't care about a player's personal life if they can help the team, but let's not pretend it doesn't exist.
Worse yet they had a passle of kids together, recall one of his daughters was wounded from one of ten stray bullets fired at a neighbour's house in 2021 in sleepy Charlotte NC.
https://www.bluebombers.com/2021/08/09/still-disbelief-child-shot/
This is a tough one cause do you deny Houston a chance to make a living, especially when court felt they couldn't prosecute? Hurts both Demerio and his wife.
Youd have to be pretty confident that there wouldn't be a reoccurrence.
Wow, the more I read about this the less I want to read! This is a sad and tragic case and I am absolutely shocked this roster change passed the Mike O'Shea character test. It wouldn't have passed mine.
The story reminds me of Kyries Herbert, although Kyries got community service.
This is a tough one. The magistrate said there was a history but as many of you have rightly said, we don't really know what that means. Is it possible his wife made false allegations? Yes. Is it likely? Probably not. At least in my experience as someone who works with offenders. Tough look for the Bombers and somewhat surprising. Even if he is innocent, the optics are not great here, especially for a team that prides itself on culture and character. I'm hoping JC Abbott, who wrote the article citing the magistrate's claims, can shed some light on this.
Is he not in jail?
Is he not a convicted felon?
Is he allowed to cross the border?
Will the CFL give the nod?
Can he play?
Yes to all? That's all I care about.
This isn't a soap opera. The poop that flies around the USA legal system is just nuts. We are not the judge or jury.
We really need help in the DB corps to be a cup contender. This solves a major problem for us. I'm overjoyed to have Houston back. I'm overjoyed KW was listening to the forum (or came to the same conclusion as the geniuses here).
This one move basically solves all DB problems. Parker will be back eventually and probably be the other corner. Vaval makes a perfect dressed DB backup (which we like to have) whilst concentrating on his returner role. Between Lawson & Vaval we can hold down the fort until Parker is better.
This is the best news in ages, and great to see some splash mid-season signings like every other team.
Who here doesn't like the sound of:
Parker - Nichols - Allen - Holm - Houston
That's one stout DB corps that teams can't just pick on anymore.
I told my son just now and he was overjoyed. "You mean we won't lose all the time anymore dad? We have a chance to make the cup?"
Welcome back Houston. I'm rootin' for ya!
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 17, 2025, 08:45:58 PMSuper happy to have Houston back. He was our shut down corner before he left
Is it just me or does anyone remember Houston at HB? Did he ever play CB for us? It could just be my hazy memory. I didn't really care enough about DBs back when Houston was here to file in my memory who was corner vs half. Now I do...
Quote from: Waffler on August 17, 2025, 07:53:13 PMSmart moves. Improves the secondary immediately. Cooley I feel for him
I would bet Cooley isn't done with the CFL. He may get more looks here, or elsewhere. Might make a good dev/backup guy with one of the IMP RB-based teams.
If Brady or Peterson gets an owie, he may be back here real fast.
Quote from: peg_city on August 18, 2025, 03:24:20 AMThe story reminds me of Kyries Herbert, although Kyries got community service.
similar but very different as you say - KH was convicted and penalized (community service)...Houston's was dismissed and either is expunged already or will be..that means it never officially happened.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 13, 2025, 05:58:40 PMNo one's going to touch that guy until his legal troubles are resolved. That's why the Stampeders released him.
Aaaaaand I guess they're resolved. ???
Houston's a huge addition to a struggling secondary, so here's hoping his legal troubles are behind him and he can help out the team imminently.
Watched Elgersma run a nice two minute drill for the Packers late in the 2nd. quarter. To bad his OL took 3 penalties on on that drive, eliminating a nice touchdown throw. Came out to start the 3rd. quarter with a nice drive for a touchdown. The kid has the size, strong arm, and seems to move well in the pocket. With his arm strength, he's not afraid to throw the ball into tight spaces.
7/11 109 yards.
Quote from: bunker on August 18, 2025, 12:10:41 AMIt seems this was part of the original arrest warrant issued by the magistrate, presumably following the complaint of his wife, and presumably served as justification for the warrant. Whether there is any independent corroboration, (apart from her complaint) is not clear, and if there was, it seems strange that the charges were ultimately dismissed. Again, its hard to really know what exactly happened just based on what's been reported. While the majority of domestic violence criminal charges are likely backed by solid evidence, false accusations do happen (reported incidence of 8-33% from a google search). I suspect there was something there, but in the absence of more evidence, we really don't know.
This is a fair and balanced response. The allegations raise suspicion; but suspicion is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. This really isn't a reflection on the former spouse who made the allegations; rather it's an outcome that occurs when allegations are tested against the rigorous standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. While the matter in this case didn't go to trial, prosecutors on both sides of the border have a duty to assess likelihood of conviction. Clearly an assessment was made that these allegations would not result in a conviction.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 18, 2025, 01:04:55 PMsimilar but very different as you say - KH was convicted and penalized (community service)...Houston's was dismissed and either is expunged already or will be..that means it never officially happened.
Putting aside Houston for a moment, if this was your mother/sister/daughter, is this the language you would use when discussing the case? It didn't leave a mark so it never officially happened?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2025, 06:16:13 AMIs he not in jail?
Is he not a convicted felon?
Is he allowed to cross the border?
Will the CFL give the nod?
Can he play?
Should the CFL give the nod is what we're discussing I guess. The CFL has a policy against violence against women and sure loves to pat theirselves on the back because of it. So I hope there was meaningful work that went into this before the nod was given, if it has.
I do not want our team to ignore all off field issues for the sake of team success. And I do not want suspensions to be held only if there is fan backlash. If the league has a standard, please hold all players to that standard.
Quote from: Jesse on August 18, 2025, 02:55:15 PMPutting aside Houston for a moment, if this was your mother/sister/daughter, is this the language you would use when discussing the case? It didn't leave a mark so it never officially happened?
Should the CFL give the nod is what we're discussing I guess. The CFL has a policy against violence against women and sure loves to pat theirselves on the back because of it. So I hope there was meaningful work that went into this before the nod was given, if it has.
I do not want our team to ignore all off field issues for the sake of team success. And I do not want suspensions to be held only if there is fan backlash. If the league has a standard, please hold all players to that standard.
when something is expunged from your record it's like it never happened - legally speaking, of course the action itself may have happened so the pain, heartache, regret etc is all real and can never be erased.
Employment is often based on a criminal record not the action or the pain that may have been caused to people. Is that right or wrong? Everyone's thoughts and opinions are welcome and encouraged but the standard for employment is usually an official criminal record that most of us have had checked for our jobs.
Nik Lewis has some comments regarding the situation on twitter as well..
CFL had to approve the signing.
Upon review from the command centre.........
Quote from: Ridermania on August 18, 2025, 04:41:49 PMCFL had to approve the signing.
Upon review from the command centre.........
My understanding is that the league has to sign off on all contracts before an public announcement is issued.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2025, 06:17:40 AMIs it just me or does anyone remember Houston at HB? Did he ever play CB for us? It could just be my hazy memory. I didn't really care enough about DBs back when Houston was here to file in my memory who was corner vs half. Now I do...
Nope, Houston played CB, famous for making interceptions and allowing huge explosion plays when failing to jump the ball, he's a gambler.
Kind of strange they brought back 2 DB's, Dandy likely sits on PR along with Dexter Lawson once Houston gets up to speed and Vaval goes back to returns once Parker is healthy. I like Payton Logan but Vaval is a better fit with his ability to also play DB, I don't see them making that switch now.
Quote from: Ridermania on August 18, 2025, 04:41:49 PMCFL had to approve the signing.
Upon review from the command centre.........
He's practicing today. League approved.
Quote from: Jesse on August 17, 2025, 11:12:55 PMThis particular charge was dropped, but apparently it was just the latest in a long series of abuse that the victim has been afraid to press charges on because Houston is the sole provider for the household.
It's a really sad story.
And plenty of people don't care about a player's personal life if they can help the team, but let's not pretend it doesn't exist.
The problem is it legally doesn't exist if it's expunged and this is just my opinion personally, but I'm not comfortable being my own judge or jury in a case like this.
I have no way of knowing what happened or didn't happen. I do know that the incarceration rates are quite high nation wide for young males like Houston in the US, and so I'm not prepared to cast judgement over and above that standard. In my opinion, it's quite a high bar already.
Do what feels right to you.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2025, 05:03:02 PMI like Payton Logan but Vaval is a better fit with his ability to also play DB, I don't see them making that switch now.
I am wondering if Logan will ever play now. Vaval is better and cheaper. Not to say Logan is not also good, he is, but where does he fit? Could be another Cooley situation.
Quote from: Waffler on August 18, 2025, 05:28:42 PMI am wondering if Logan will ever play now. Vaval is better and cheaper. Not to say Logan is not also good, he is, but where does he fit? Could be another Cooley situation.
He's probably healthy and it's why Cooley was released?
Quote from: Waffler on August 18, 2025, 05:28:42 PMI am wondering if Logan will ever play now. Vaval is better and cheaper. Not to say Logan is not also good, he is, but where does he fit? Could be another Cooley situation.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Vaval has been very good but so has Logan during his time in the CFL. He has a 104 yard punt return TD and a 99 yard K/O return. He's also scored 5 TD's on offence.
Logan's role would be different than Vaval's if he gets onto the AR.
When added Houston back to the roster, it's probable that Vaval is relegated to return duty as his primary role. That could be this week or next week?
It's not impossible that Logan doesn't get onto the AR as a 2nd returner and offensive player.
How they do that is a choice within the roster and that doesn't seem probable at the moment. So I don't know what it takes to make that happen. It's only a guess but J. Jones coming off would be the trade off and he also has value on the AR.
Again some of our IR players might be healthy and options this week. We'll have to see the IR report and determine this weeks options.
Vaval > Lawson
Quote from: peg_city on August 18, 2025, 06:29:36 PMVaval > Lawson
Did you mean Logan? I think the sample size for Vaval is a little small but he's been very good. As I mentioned Logan could have a different role than just as a returner. Yes Vaval is also a DB but again very limited CFL experience.
If you're suggesting he's better than Lawson as a DB, that's debatable. I don't expect Houston to replace Vaval in the secondary but I could be wrong. Making that assessment after one game is a little iffy. Having Vaval concentrate on being the returner is not the worst idea.
Noting that Lawson was brought back to start when Bridges was released. Vaval didn't start until Bonds was injured.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2025, 06:38:39 PMDid you mean Logan?
They have 2 Lawsons, 1 Lofton, 1 Logan + a Hogan at OC, not difficult for anyone to get confused!
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2025, 06:38:39 PMDid you mean Logan? I think the sample size for Vaval is a little small but he's been very good. As I mentioned Logan could have a different role than just as a returner. Yes Vaval is also a DB but again very limited CFL experience.
If you're suggesting he's better than Lawson as a DB, that's debatable. I don't expect Houston to replace Vaval in the secondary but I could be wrong. Making that assessment after one game is a little iffy. Having Vaval concentrate on being the returner is not the worst idea.
Noting that Lawson was brought back to start when Bridges was released. Vaval didn't start until Bonds was injured.
I meant DB Lawson.
I like Vaval better as a DB than Lawson.
That (bolded section above) might have to do with position. They brought lawson in to play strong side corner. I think Houston plays corner, so maybe they are going to get him to play strong side corner? Just a theory. Lawson was cut in training camp and hasn't looked great at corner. Man I miss Ford.
I think that if Vaval stays in at DB, Logan will be doing the bulk of returns.
If Houston comes into the lineup, Vaval will do the bulk of returns and backup our DBs again.
Logan will need a couple of games to knock the rust off, and get into game shape.
Houston could also play backup this week, just to get him some game time. Doesn't need a lot, just enough to get the feel of the game back.
Vaval and healthy Logan give us a few options.
Houston will definitely give our team a boost. I just hope the BB didn't get desperate and spent a ton of money on him.
Quote from: peg_city on August 18, 2025, 07:15:07 PMI meant DB Lawson.
I like Vaval better as a DB than Lawson.
That (bolded section above) might have to do with position. They brought lawson in to play strong side corner. I think Houston plays corner, so maybe they are going to get him to play strong side corner? Just a theory. Lawson was cut in training camp and hasn't looked great at corner. Man I miss Ford.
O'Shea said it was hard to cut Lawson after a very good TC. I don't know whether Vaval makes the game 1 AR if Logan was healthy. It's one of those things we'll never know.
Obviously Vaval has had an opportunity to play as the returner and more recently as a starting DB.
Case made the original PR and was previously a returner.
So I have no idea who lands on the PR or gets cut from a domino effect ( Logan ) that didn't happen.
I don't expect Vaval to start at CB if Houston makes the roster.
It's an interesting question / debate.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2025, 10:01:40 PMO'Shea said it was hard to cut Lawson after a very good TC. I don't know whether Vaval makes the game 1 AR if Logan was healthy. It's one of those things we'll never know.
Obviously Vaval has had an opportunity to play as the returner and more recently as a starting DB.
Case made the original PR and was previously a returner.
So I have no idea who lands on the PR or gets cut from a domino effect ( Logan ) that didn't happen.
I don't expect Vaval to start at CB if Houston makes the roster.
It's an interesting question / debate.
I don't understand why they're hanging onto Woodbey on the PR, says he's a DB but he's not, he's a MLB if anything listed at 6'1" 234 lbs, which makes him 4th or 5th on the depth chart. I can see the future and it doesn't include Woodbey.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2025, 10:14:55 PMI don't understand why they're hanging onto Woodbey on the PR, says he's a DB but he's not, he's a MLB if anything listed at 6'1" 234 lbs, which makes him 4th or 5th on the depth chart. I can see the future and it doesn't include Woodbey.
Getting Dandy back may lead to Woodbey being released. I think we all figured out we don't need another LB on the PR. It's already tough to keep J. Jones on the AR.
I also see no benefit of keeping Weitz either. He's another LB and we have Bailey as an extra global in a position that could benefit the team.
Bombers may keep some healthy players on the 1 game IR but they may also choose to bump someone back to the PR.
The team is getting much deeper and fast
Just like in camp, some good players are going home
'Need will never trump integrity': Mike O'Shea defends Blue Bombers signing Demerio Houston - 3DownNation https://share.google/dn7UCtGUP0koZjIvs
Quote from: Pigskin on August 18, 2025, 01:59:26 PMWatched Elgersma run a nice two minute drill for the Packers late in the 2nd. quarter. To bad his OL took 3 penalties on on that drive, eliminating a nice touchdown throw. Came out to start the 3rd. quarter with a nice drive for a touchdown. The kid has the size, strong arm, and seems to move well in the pocket. With his arm strength, he's not afraid to throw the ball into tight spaces.
7/11 109 yards.
This post would be better suited on a Bomber prospect thread imo but thanks for the report
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on August 18, 2025, 08:17:24 PMHouston will definitely give our team a boost. I just hope the BB didn't get desperate and spent a ton of money on him.
Don't care how much. And I care even less now that half the season is done, meaning SMS hit is also cut in half.
Cup year, $400k unspent, I want overages anyhow... that said, I bet we got him for $140k pro-rated (i.e. $70k). We may have waited until Vaval/Lawson were looking OK (which they were) so we didn't show desperation. However, there's also a chance we've been negotiating with his agent for 4 weeks... we all knew at least that long we needed him. KW likely did too. Certainly we've been aware since Bonds went season-ender.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2025, 05:03:02 PMKind of strange they brought back 2 DB's, Dandy likely sits on PR along with Dexter Lawson once Houston gets up to speed and Vaval goes back to returns once Parker is healthy. I like Payton Logan but Vaval is a better fit with his ability to also play DB, I don't see them making that switch now.
Thanks for the CB memory jog. So Houston was a corner when he was inches away from knocking down the Philpot game-winning TD in '23 GC? That was Houston, right? (Tough play: don't fault him for it. I blame Parker more for being a fish out of water on the 3rd & 3.)
As for the roster: Vaval, if not starting, could easily remain as dressed backup DB and returner (even if dual-returner scheme).
Yet Logan too could easily get on the roster as a returner plus backup REC and RB. We could possibly PR Corcoran to make this work (yes, still have to lose a DI on D but could bring in next-best NAT LB/DL/DB).
If we decide Smith is our guy to start FS going forward, it gives us some extra ratio options. We've already been seeing that with more IMP-only DL sets.
Bottom line: I can see certain games where both Vaval & Logan make AR.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2025, 04:12:39 AMDon't care how much. And I care even less now that half the season is done, meaning SMS hit is also cut in half.
Cup year, $400k unspent, I want overages anyhow... that said, I bet we got him for $140k pro-rated (i.e. $70k). We may have waited until Vaval/Lawson were looking OK (which they were) so we didn't show desperation. However, there's also a chance we've been negotiating with his agent for 4 weeks... we all knew at least that long we needed him. KW likely did too. Certainly we've been aware since Bonds went season-ender.
If he was paid anywhere close to $140, that's gross mismanagement. He was on his couch. $140 is what we pay Nichols and Holm. It's top tier money.
His salary is all speculation. It could be high if other teams also were in contact with him. If we were his only option, then lower. I am ok with paying him near top tier money because that is what he brings.
I'm just guessing but I don't see any reason Houston can't be added to the AR this week if he's kept in shape. He'll know most of our defence and significant number of the team.
What I'm less certain about is what changes to accommodate him being added. So many alternatives. I'd like to see Allen stay on the AR for at least another week.
Houston will be a solid addition to the secondary and that alone will give the front 7 more time to get to the QB.
Darn ratio. There are a few others I'd like to get on the AR but they're aren't any I really want to take off.
Quote from: Jesse on August 19, 2025, 02:47:25 PMIf he was paid anywhere close to $140, that's gross mismanagement. He was on his couch. $140 is what we pay Nichols and Holm. It's top tier money.
Yah, if Walters was being kind he offered him $100k, if not $85k. He was on the couch and no other team inquired, cause he would have taken the first offer he received, a desperate man doesn't turn down a dollar.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2025, 03:51:30 PMI'm just guessing but I don't see any reason Houston can't be added to the AR this week if he's kept in shape. He'll know most of our defence and significant number of the team.
What I'm less certain about is what changes to accommodate him being added. So many alternatives. I'd like to see Allen stay on the AR for at least another week.
Houston will be a solid addition to the secondary and that alone will give the front 7 more time to get to the QB.
Darn ratio. There are a few others I'd like to get on the AR but they're aren't any I really want to take off.
Rust tells me he will take an extra week
I wouldn't rush him
He will take a few weeks of practice and games to get up to speed imo
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 19, 2025, 04:50:46 PMRust tells me he will take an extra week
I wouldn't rush him
He will take a few weeks of practice and games to get up to speed imo
Bombers added Lawson to the AR the week he arrived. I don't see rust as a problem that is resolved by waiting a few weeks. He may be a big rusty but even at 80% he's a top DB.
If hes not in game shape then for injury protection may have to wait
Quote from: Pete on August 19, 2025, 05:11:54 PMIf hes not in game shape then for injury protection may have to wait
These guys are mostly gym rats and keep in shape all year. I agree with trying to prevent injury but injuries happen to players in shape all the time. Bonds is the perfect example of that getting injured in a non contact situation. Some players never seem to get injured and other fine tuned athletes can't stay healthy.
Tomorrow we'll see the depth chart for the game. I expect Houston to be on it but obviously no guarantees.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2025, 04:58:34 PMBombers added Lawson to the AR the week he arrived. I don't see rust as a problem that is resolved by waiting a few weeks. He may be a big rusty but even at 80% he's a top DB.
Top DB we don't want to hurt, rust was mentioned I believe at press conference
Quote from: Pete on August 19, 2025, 05:11:54 PMIf hes not in game shape then for injury protection may have to wait
Agree, need him around all year, could sit this game
Has Houston played with younger as dc?
Quote from: Pete on August 19, 2025, 07:23:45 PMHas Houston played with younger as dc?
No, but Younger's been here in a coaching capacity since 2018. Younger spoke highly of Houston yesterday.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2025, 04:58:34 PMBombers added Lawson to the AR the week he arrived. I don't see rust as a problem that is resolved by waiting a few weeks. He may be a big rusty but even at 80% he's a top DB.
Lawson indicated that after TC, he went and played arena ball...it ended just before Bombers signed him so he didn't have any physical rust to work off...but I agree with you...Houston should be on the AR...even on ST's to help him get into game shape.
Houston had a lot of INT's when he was here. He also was the weakest DB at that time and that's why so many teams went after him. He has had more time in the CFL since then so hopefully he plays better.
Quote from: Waffler on August 19, 2025, 02:54:02 PMHis salary is all speculation. It could be high if other teams also were in contact with him. If we were his only option, then lower. I am ok with paying him near top tier money because that is what he brings.
It doesn't really matter much what it is for this year.
For one, it's only half a season worth anyway so even if it's top dollars it's really half that.
Secondly, salary really matters during roster construction when there's an opportunity cost. In season? There really isn't much of one. We need a good corner and if we have a spare 50-70k we should be spending it on one. Saving 15ish thousand (by signing a pro rated 150 vs 120) doesn't matter at all. He's only going to get it if he's rostered and if he's rostered it's an effective use of money because he's better than what we have. There are very few players that can really help us now and we're in win now mode for certain.
Quote from: Slingin Sammy on August 19, 2025, 07:55:43 PMLawson indicated that after TC, he went and played arena ball...it ended just before Bombers signed him so he didn't have any physical rust to work off...but I agree with you...Houston should be on the AR...even on ST's to help him get into game shape.
If he isn't going to start which isn't that likely, I wouldn't dress him for teams due to injury risk. Yes the game would help for knocking the rust but I personally wouldn't risk it.
Rust is an issue of timing and reaction to football situations. It's not the same as not being physically ready to play.
Obviously he hasn't played this year or been to a TC. So it's worth noting but it's not like he's never played the game before. Muscle memory and familiarity with our defence help.
I'd be more inclined to let him practice for another week but this is game 10. If he's ready physically then he should play. Financially a PR check is not a game check so all that has to be taken into account.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2025, 09:41:45 PMRust is an issue of timing and reaction to football situations. It's not the same as not being physically ready to play.
Obviously he hasn't played this year or been to a TC. So it's worth noting but it's not like he's never played the game before. Muscle memory and familiarity with our defence help.
I'd be more inclined to let him practice for another week but this is game 10. If he's ready physically then he should play. Financially a PR check is not a game check so all that has to be taken into account.
Game 10 is one of the reasons I don't play him. Game is faster at this time of year with everyone settled in nicely. A guy that hasn't played ball for a long time will be at greater risk of injury. He will take a few weeks to get up to game speed imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 19, 2025, 10:33:25 PMGame 10 is one of the reasons I don't play him. Game is faster at this time of year with everyone settled in nicely. A guy that hasn't played ball for a long time will be at greater risk of injury. He will take a few weeks to get up to game speed imo.
I disagree. You always seem to want to " wait " for something.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2025, 10:59:00 PMI disagree. You always seem to want to " wait " for something.
Patience is a virtue
You always try to generalize my opinions
Agree to disagree and we shall see what the Bomber brass do and I started a poll!
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 19, 2025, 11:07:22 PMPatience is a virtue
You always try to generalize my opinions
Agree to disagree and we shall see what the Bomber brass do and I started a poll!
Just to play therapist - both of you used "always", so technically both generalizing.
Okay, I'll show myself out...
Quote from: Jesse on August 19, 2025, 02:47:25 PMIf he was paid anywhere close to $140, that's gross mismanagement. He was on his couch. $140 is what we pay Nichols and Holm. It's top tier money.
Pretty sure when he left for huge $ in FA CGY paid him a top-5 salary, which for a DB is over $150k, I think. I seem to recall around $160? I remembering thinking at the time it was insane (DBs are relatively cheap).
If we scored him for less annualized salary than CGY paid him 1.5 years ago, then I call that winning! We'll sort it all out next FA, because Mafia never spends huge for the entire unit, and Nichols/Holm will still command the bulk of it.
Quote from: bwiser on August 19, 2025, 08:59:43 PMHouston had a lot of INT's when he was here. He also was the weakest DB at that time and that's why so many teams went after him. He has had more time in the CFL since then so hopefully he plays better.
Ya, but after his last season with us he left for monga bank. Much like Sayles did. So I wouldn't ever label him as "weak" as of that season! But ya, when we had D.Alford in the house along with our normal guys our DB corps was world-beating. So "weakest" of our DBs was still crazy good.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2025, 07:46:14 AMPretty sure when he left for huge $ in FA CGY paid him a top-5 salary, which for a DB is over $150k, I think. I seem to recall around $160? I remembering thinking at the time it was insane (DBs are relatively cheap).
If we scored him for less annualized salary than CGY paid him 1.5 years ago, then I call that winning! We'll sort it all out next FA, because Mafia never spends huge for the entire unit, and Nichols/Holm will still command the bulk of it.
Leaving via FA to the highest bidder vs. getting called off of the couch are two very different things.
I don't expect him to be with the team next year.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 19, 2025, 11:07:22 PMPatience is a virtue
You always try to generalize my opinions
Agree to disagree and we shall see what the Bomber brass do and I started a poll!
Patience is a word you use a lot. So it's not a generalization about you wanting to " wait ".
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 20, 2025, 03:28:37 AMJust to play therapist - both of you used "always", so technically both generalizing.
Okay, I'll show myself out...
LOL. You know what they say about the door :)
Quote from: Jesse on August 20, 2025, 12:17:10 PMLeaving via FA to the highest bidder vs. getting called off of the couch are two very different things.
I don't expect him to be with the team next year.
If he plays well and can grow from his past. I expect the Bombers will sign him for next season. Nichols, Holm, Bonds, and Parker are all FAs.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 20, 2025, 01:36:40 PMIf he plays well and can grow from his past. I expect the Bombers will sign him for next season. Nichols, Holm, Bonds, and Parker are all FAs.
We let him walk once because we don't pay our corners. Not sure I expect it to play out any differently this time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 20, 2025, 01:19:39 PMPatience is a word you use a lot. So it's not a generalization about you wanting to " wait ".
You often look past my specific opinion on a topic by over generalizing how I post imo
Yes I'm patient and so is the Bombers and it has worked out
I'm also often positive on the Bombers but my opinion on here has covered all grounds as I have been on here so long with countless posts good bad and ugly, wait vs. act now etc.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 20, 2025, 03:28:37 AMJust to play therapist - both of you used "always", so technically both generalizing.
Okay, I'll show myself out...
Good point! Lol
A little tit for tat there, perhaps we have taken this one too far, all in good fun
Always was to strong of a word, poor choice on my part
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 20, 2025, 02:19:45 PMYou often look past my specific opinion on a topic by over generalizing how I post imo
Yes I'm patient and so is the Bombers and it has worked out
I'm also often positive on the Bombers but my opinion on here has covered all grounds as I have been on here so long with countless posts good bad and ugly, wait vs. act now etc.
Good point! Lol
A little tit for tat there, perhaps we have taken this one too far, all in good fun
Always was to strong of a word, poor choice on my part
How did patience work out for Kornelson?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2025, 07:46:14 AMPretty sure when he left for huge $ in FA CGY paid him a top-5 salary, which for a DB is over $150k, I think. I seem to recall around $160? I remembering thinking at the time it was insane (DBs are relatively cheap).
If we scored him for less annualized salary than CGY paid him 1.5 years ago, then I call that winning! We'll sort it all out next FA, because Mafia never spends huge for the entire unit, and Nichols/Holm will still command the bulk of it.
Not really huge money, Stamps are notoriously cheap, here's what they paid him.
10) Demerio Houston, Calgary Stampeders (A)
Hard money: $128,800
Maximum value: $136,800
The CFL's leader in interceptions last season collected a $40,000 signing bonus to join the Stampeders and will receive $70,000 in salary next year. The 27-year-old cornerback will receive $13,800 for housing and $5,000 for promotional appearances, along with incentives of $1,000 for divisional all-star honours or a team award and $2,000 for the league equivalents. He'll also get $2,000 if he repeats as the interception king.Nichols is 4th on that list which is from 2024 and I belive Holm matched his pay with the contract he signed this past off-season.
4) Deatrick Nichols, Winnipeg Blue Bombers (A)
Hard money: $140,000
Maximum value: $154,000
The CFL's most feared halfback collected a $50,000 signing bonus to re-up with Winnipeg, as well as $74,000 in salary, $13,800 for housing, and a $2,200 travel allowance. The 29-year-old will also earn $1,000 for either form of all-star selection and $2,000 for a divisional or league award, with the ability to cash in up to three times at each level.https://3downnation.com/2024/05/13/the-cfls-15-highest-paid-defensive-backs-for-the-2024-season/
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 20, 2025, 03:16:29 PMHow did patience work out for Kornelson?
Wow now really stretching there, I never commented on him, never said to have patience with him, I don't know very much about him
Please just drop this man, Let's talk ball
Patience will pay off with Houston, rushing him into the lineup against a weak opponent would have been a terrible decision imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 20, 2025, 07:11:06 PMWow now really stretching there, I never commented on him, never said to have patience with him, I don't know very much about him
Please just drop this man, Let's talk ball
Patience will pay off with Houston, rushing him into the lineup against a weak opponent would have been a terrible decision imo.
No, I don't recall you specifically talking about Kornelson much. But patience is not a fixed line.
The Bombers have released: Benson, White, Kornelson, Elsbury, Hagerty, Cooley and Bridges since the end of TC. Roster management is one thing but not all players will get patience or deserve patience. That was the point.
I don't get your thought about patience with Houston. If he's not physically ready that's one thing but he's a CFL veteran and played in Winnipeg so he's familiar with most of the players on defence and the system. He understands zone and man to man coverage schemes.
Rushing him ( as you say ) might have been the best option against a weaker opponent. He'd get closer to game speed and reaction timing. Our next 3 games are against the Riders and then the TiCats. That's hardly the optimum time to start your 1st few games. It's the direct opposite of what you suggested.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 20, 2025, 07:33:38 PMNo, I don't recall you specifically talking about Kornelson much. But patience is not a fixed line.
The Bombers have released: Benson, White, Kornelson, Elsbury, Hagerty, Cooley and Bridges since the end of TC. Roster management is one thing but not all players will get patience or deserve patience. That was the point.
I don't get your thought about patience with Houston. If he's not physically ready that's one thing but he's a CFL veteran and played in Winnipeg so he's familiar with most of the players on defence and the system. He understands zone and man to man coverage schemes.
Rushing him ( as you say ) might have been the best option against a weaker opponent. He'd get closer to game speed and reaction timing. Our next 3 games are against the Riders and then the TiCats. That's hardly the optimum time to start your 1st few games. It's the direct opposite of what you suggested.
Thanks for confirming if I commented on him, your memory is likely better than mine LOL.
You wanted to rush a guy that isn't game ready and the Bombers agree to wait. Yes he likely isn't physically ready. Yes he knows how to play but he also needs time to learn the latest version of the Bomber's playbook. I suggest he starts when he is 100% physically ready. Your suggestion to start him at 80% isn't a good option as I want to ensure he doesn't get hurt. We need him. Waiting will ensure a key signing can impact games for the rest of the year. Yes we got some good teams coming up and he will play when ready. Not going to be any easy games the rest of the way. The forum was fairly split on the issue as per my poll. I don't expect Houston to be lights out when he returns. I expect him to take 2-3 games min to get up to speed. Tough coming in mid season when everyone already has a leg up. As long as he hasn't lost a step, he should be back to at least above average by fall. Good teams with good QBs and receivers likely will still shred our secondary at times. As long as our offense can produce, should be ok. We will never know if he wasn't ready physically or needed more time to learn or both. Only him and the Bomber brass would know that question. I believe some consistency in our backend D and also the level of the opponent we are facing would have factored in as well.
Agree patience isn't a fixed line. Never said it was. I often speak of patience with a particular player or coach in mind. I also use it when a unit of our team isn't playing that well, for example a new group at OL takes time to gel. Yes not every player and coach will get patience. Yes cutting players is a part of pro ball. I am allowed to post my opinion about having patience with players as I see fit and you can counter that. Countering that in general or with players I never spoke about isn't welcome imo.
I got a reputation on here about being patience and a homer during the early days of our mini dynasty. This forum wasn't fun back then as I would be attacked for my view points. Defending our defense, Hall and MOS was a regular occurrence. I seen great things back then with this club and I still do. We are not as good as we once were but our core is similar and I love the general philosophy that has built this organization back to greatness. Not perfect that's for sure but this run has been so fun to watch. I like consistency in players, management and coaches. Go figure, Dave Ritchie is my all time favorite coach. He loved his vets, well maybe a little too much but we had some good years with him and he was so fun to listen to. The players play. Best line ever. I'm a go down with the ship kinda guy. This ship will sink one day but I think we still got some freeboard left.
I don't think I said I'd start Houston at 80% from a healthy point of view. However, 80% game reaction time is still probably better than most CB's. Maybe an extra 10 days helps him but practice and game speed are different animals.
Where he was with either of physical or mental aspect ready we'll never know. IMO the rust was the least of any issues. I mentioned man and zone coverages are known to him. Dawson never saw the entire DC playbook before being released after TC. He started his 1st game a week after coming back.
Logan coming onto the AR was a good thing but it may have been a choice between another returner or another DB. It was a question about whether Lawson of Vaval would be bumped as a starting CB if Houston returned.
It still is a question if Houston plays next game. I'd think Vaval would be bumped back to return duties over Lawson being moved. That's just based on such a small sample size for Vaval.
That creates the weekly ratio issue. IDK that we can roster 2 returners on the AR as far as a ratio numbers thing.
Vaval might have to beat out Lawson at CB or Logan as a returner to stay on the AR. I'm not saying he can't or there aren't other ways to accommodate 2 returners if he loses the CB race.
Then it means Allen or Ayers need to come off.
We'll all be watching how our secondary plays this week. We know Holm and Nichols are not the weak link. None of us are probably sure who that falls on now.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2025, 04:58:34 PMBombers added Lawson to the AR the week he arrived. I don't see rust as a problem that is resolved by waiting a few weeks. He may be a big rusty but even at 80% he's a top DB.
I thought you meant 80% good enough to start
I know what you mean now, my bad
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 20, 2025, 10:06:48 PMI thought you meant 80% good enough to start
I know what you mean now, my bad
You should read the last day of comments on the Bombers / Als early talk on the other site. It has several comments about development time in practice compared to actual games. Pro and cons in the discussion.
Some of the issues I mentioned about game speed, conditioning, intensity, confidence and physicality among other attributes.
Also discussed were roster decisions about who and why certain choices were made.
It's an interesting read. Take a look.
Quote from: Jesse on August 20, 2025, 12:17:10 PMLeaving via FA to the highest bidder vs. getting called off of the couch are two very different things.
I don't expect him to be with the team next year.
Because once again we won't be able to afford him. As was mentioned, we cheap out on DBs, especially CBs, a lot. Even $120 is too much. Need our ELC 2-year $80k scouting finds to keep the team SMS solvent.
If for some reason he's "damaged goods" in the optics dept, maybe we can get a "deal" and keep him.
As for Holm/Nichols, I really don't see us letting them go. We seem to be matching other offers to keep them here, plus they take a bit of a haircut to stay here (they like it) and always get to the cup (free money).
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 20, 2025, 03:41:56 PMMaximum value: $136,800
Maximum value: $154,000
Wow, DBs sure get the shaft. And look what happens when you field so-so or bad ones...
They should all go on strike to demand higher compensation! :D :D