Here are a handful of items that I track and post weekly on my BlueSky account.
The QB drive chart is a results based analysis of drives led by each QB. Historically, 2.00 points per drive, 30 yards per drive & a TD on 20% of drives has been the benchmark for an elite performance. When the start of a drive after a FG was moved from the 35 to the 40 a few years ago there has been a noticeable uptick in overall performances.
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Punts from 'own side of centre' generally allows a punter to kick for maximum distance. Net average is key measure in determining how effective a punter (and his coverage team) are performing.
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Punt from 'opposition side of centre' require more finesse from a punter. The average often suffers in an an effort to pin the opposition inside the 20 - inside the 10 is better. Punt singles are almost always a failed assignment.
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QB sneaks are an integral part of an offensive scheme. Success rate on QB sneaks varies from source to source and quite honestly it really depends on what metric you value most. I choose to break down QB sneaks into different situations. I personally value the rightmost two columns on the chart.
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Thanks Junkie. The drives-ending-in-FG reflects MOS's "just get in FG range" philosophy he's had since Meddy joined... and the range capability of our K's.
Great opponent-side-punt stat for Sheahan. No one can say that our main problem / loss-causer this season is punting, eh?
Does anyone have those O-line player rating stats?
I'd like to know who's good and who needs to be replaced.
Telling stats, Strev's / Wilsons numbers are ok
Zach's need a boost
Sheahan's are very good, nobody asking for their bird on this guy, a few of us have the roasting pan ready if you are LOL
Very telling Qb stats. ZC is behind other starting Qb's in ratings, but biggest thing that jumps out at me is over 13% of our drives end in interceptions, and it doesn't matter if its ZC or CS throwing the ball. That's more than double the competition, and a sign of bad schemes, bad execution, or both.
Quote from: dd on August 12, 2025, 01:01:58 AMVery telling Qb stats. ZC is behind other starting Qb's in ratings, but biggest thing that jumps out at me is over 13% of our drives end in interceptions, and it doesn't matter if its ZC or CS throwing the ball. That's more than double the competition, and a sign of bad schemes, bad execution, or both.
It's also a sign of us not having very many O snaps because the O sucks and is off the field all the time. We have half as many yards as most of the good teams, and probably half as many snaps.
Yet we throw the same # (or more) of INTs. Thus drives-ending-in-INT % seems very high.
Both things are a big problem.
Quote from: peg_city on August 11, 2025, 04:39:49 PMDoes anyone have those O-line player rating stats?
I'd like to know who's good and who needs to be replaced.
Pro Football Focus (PFF) is the group that does the player grades for the CFL. Their data is available through www.pff.com (http://www.pff.com/). They have some free content but if you want a complete list of all CFL (and NFL) players you need a subscription.
From time to time, some of the PFF data is presented on cfl.ca. For example, there is usually an article which highlights the top 5 PFF stats (https://www.cfl.ca/2025/08/11/5-pff-stats-that-stand-out-from-week-10/) from the week. Other details can be included in the Honour Roll (https://www.cfl.ca/2025/08/05/honour-roll-week-9-trevor-harris-willie-jefferson-roughriders-o-line-make-the-grade/) or other articles which sometimes lists the top 10 PFF graded players at each position for the week.
PFF grades players based on how well they perform on each play on a scale from -2 to +2. Simply doing the minimum requirement often results in a score of zero. An example of this is a QB completing a short pass regardless of how the play turns out.
Some players (CFL & NFL) have been critical of the grading from PFF arguing that it is impossible to provide an accurate grade if you don't know the play call.
Bryson Vesnaver (TwiXter: @PFF_Bryson) is a good follow for a deeper dive into some PFF grading. For example, last season he posted the video of a punt that resulted in a PFF grade of -1. The play in question had the punter kicking from the opposition 50 yard line. The punt was a line drive that bounced inside the numbers about 20 yards downfield. The ball finally skipped out of bounds near the 15 yard line. PFF only grades the punter on the punt from the time it leaves the foot until it is fielded or hits the ground. Anything that happens after that is on the return and cover teams.
Note: Bryson has acknowledged that PFF grading was developed for American football and that some positions (i.e. kickers) still need to be re-imagined for Canadian football.
Prostats Canada (On TwiXter: @ProstatsC) is another group that provides grades for players (O-Line is not graded). The PSC data is only available on TwiXter and it usually comes out mid-week.
Unlike PFF, PSC bases their grades on the statistics generated by the CFL and they focus more on the results. For example, there was a Jamieson Sheahan punt from last week that Mike O'Shea raved about tonight that netted 60 yards. The returner stepped OB immediately after fielding the ball at the Calgary 8 yard line. PSC would give that a great score whereas PFF would mark it down because it was a low line drive that only went 48 yards in the air.
@Stats Junkie In the Esk/Argos game right now Leake fielded a punt in the endzone and gave up a single. The tracker shows he returned the ball 13 yards.
Do those 13 yards get included in his return average?
I guess my broader question is, when are endzone yards included in player stats?
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 16, 2025, 02:26:21 AMDo those 13 yards get included in his return average?
That's bizarre. Wouldn't think that would count.
Maybe they counted his horizontal yards, LOL
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 16, 2025, 02:26:21 AM@Stats Junkie In the Esk/Argos game right now Leake fielded a punt in the endzone and gave up a single. The tracker shows he returned the ball 13 yards.
Do those 13 yards get included in his return average?
I guess my broader question is, when are endzone yards included in player stats?
There are 3 different scenarios to be addressed and we saw all 3 in this game.
Scenario 1Play 69 TOR E52 3/3 00:35 (00:35) #29 J.Haggerty punt 69 yards to the EDM-17 #22 J.Leake return 13 yards to the EDM-04 (#49 J.Herdman-Reed) SINGLE, clock 00:21.
If the returner makes a concerted effort to advance the ball, the return is scored and yards accrue - in this case it was a 13 yard return. Anytime the returner is rouged (tackled) for a single the return should count.
Scenario 2Play 112 EDM E45 11:17 (11:17) #26 V.Blanchard kickoff 75 yards to the TOR-10 #3 J.Grant return 0 yards to the TOR-10 SINGLE, clock 11:15.
If the returner takes a knee without attempting to advance the ball then there will be no return charged to the returner for 0 yards. The play-by-play shows a 0 yard return but it did not accrue in the stats.
Scenario 3Play 131 EDM T36 3/21 02:55 (02:55) #26 V.Blanchard field goal attempt from 43 yards NO GOOD (H: #14 C.Snyder, LS: #52 L.Burton-Krahn), clock 02:49 recovered by TOR #3 J.Grant at TOR-19 #3 J.Grant return 4 yards to the TOR-15, End Of Play SINGLE, clock 02:49.
This scenario falls into the grey zone. On this play, a return of 4 yards was credited to Janarion Grant because he moved from the point of recovery before taking a knee. There are other times that this play could result in no return being credited as Grant gave himself up without a tackle.
Historically, this play would always result in a return being scored as he moved from the point of recovery. CFL statistician Steve Daniel hates charging a returner with a negative return so there are situations when a returner runs around a bit before taking a knee or running out of bounds and it is ruled as no return. Steve had the rule modified at some point to create this grey area.
Then if a returner is keen on padding his total YDS stats, he should always run up as much as he can, within the EZ, before taking the knee!
And if a returner is more keen on padding his AVG return stats, he should always take a knee instantly.
LOL.
If I'm a KR, I'm taking the instant knee, as an under-19Y return probably lowers their AVG? Certainly on KOs...
Thanks
@Stats Junkie, that's some great info.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 16, 2025, 04:33:12 AMScenario 3
Play 131 EDM T36 3/21 02:55 (02:55) #26 V.Blanchard field goal attempt from 43 yards NO GOOD (H: #14 C.Snyder, LS: #52 L.Burton-Krahn), clock 02:49 recovered by TOR #3 J.Grant at TOR-19 #3 J.Grant return 4 yards to the TOR-15, End Of Play SINGLE, clock 02:49.
This scenario falls into the grey zone. On this play, a return of 4 yards was credited to Janarion Grant because he moved from the point of recovery before taking a knee. There are other times that this play could result in no return being credited as Grant gave himself up without a tackle.
Here is a play from today's Hamilton-Saskatchewan game that was scored the second way.
82 SSK H34 3/14 09:58 (09:58) #12 B.Lauther field goal attempt from 42 yards NO GOOD (H: #70 J.Couch, LS: #46 J.Hus), clock 09:53 recovered by HAM #23 Q.White at HAM-05 SINGLE, clock 09:53
Hamilton 23 Q.White fielded the ball at the -8 yard line, took a few steps, then took a knee at the -3. The play-by-play shows that he fielded the ball at the -5 with the play ending at that point (no return). I hate the inconsistency.
Seems like it was the perfect time to ask your question
@gobombersgo
Individual penalties for Winnipeg Blue Bombers (unofficial)
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* the CFL default for an illegal kickoff is a 10 yards penalty (changed recently). I count the full distance of the penalty - the way it used to be.
Other penalties details:
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- Edmonton has 0 misconduct penalties
- Andrew Chatfield (TOR) has taken 10 penalties
- Trevaughn Campbell (SSK) leads with 106 penalty yards
- Robert Priester (OTT) with 5 deadball penalties
- 6 players tied with 3 pre-snap penalties (Gabe Wallace)
- 7 players tied with 2 misconduct penalties (Willie Jefferson)
Tony Jones leads the team with 60 tackles. Ties for team lead with 3 sacks.
Griffin is next with 30 tackles.
Smith, Ayres, and CAD all with 10 STs.
Jon Jones has no stats the last two games.
BO20. 413 yards rushing. Any chance he doesn't a 1000 this season.
BO20. 82/413
Patterson. 49/249
Quote from: Pigskin on August 18, 2025, 08:58:12 PMTony Jones leads the team with 60 tackles. Ties for team lead with 3 sacks.
Griffin is next with 30 tackles.
Smith, Ayres, and CAD all with 10 STs.
Jon Jones has no stats the last two games.
BO20. 413 yards rushing. Any chance he doesn't a 1000 this season.
BO20. 82/413
Patterson. 49/249
Amazing considering Griffin hasn't played a set position except for the last 2 games. The defence is starting to get it together, if they can maintain a strong pass rush and eliminate secondary busts they could become a dominant factor in the outcome of games.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 18, 2025, 07:37:03 PMIndividual penalties for Winnipeg Blue Bombers (unofficial)
Amazing how low the penalty YDS is for our DBs. That means we're not giving them freebie 60Y DPIs or anything. Good.