Do we know why Paul McCallum's 62 yard field goal was changed to 63 yards 23 years later?
@Stats Junkie do you know the story?
Paul's kick is at the 40 second mark.
Wonder if Sergio will give the NFL another kick next off-season, the length of his FG's in the last few years has to be raising a few eyebrows down South. If a hack like Brett Maher can carve out an NFL career, no reason Sergio can't grab a piece of that pie.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 10, 2025, 05:25:25 PMWonder if Sergio will give the NFL another kick next off-season, the length of his FG's in the last few years has to be raising a few eyebrows down South. If a hack like Brett Maher can carve out an NFL career, no reason Sergio can't grab a piece of that pie.
Coincidentally, I was checking out the longest NFL field goals, and of the 17 that were 62 yards and longer, Maher has 3 of them.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 10, 2025, 05:25:25 PMWonder if Sergio will give the NFL another kick next off-season, the length of his FG's in the last few years has to be raising a few eyebrows down South. If a hack like Brett Maher can carve out an NFL career, no reason Sergio can't grab a piece of that pie.
No doubt. 60+ length is almost becoming a minimum requirement. Somebody just kicked a 70 yarder in pre-season.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 10, 2025, 05:22:31 PMPaul's kick is at the 40 second mark.
Playing in Sask. what are the chances McCallum's kick was heavily wind assisted? The fans flag standing straight out at 1:12 shows the strength of the wind that assisted that kick, it was howling.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 10, 2025, 05:18:25 PMDo we know why Paul McCallum's 62 yard field goal was changed to 63 yards 23 years later?
@Stats Junkie do you know the story?
I do know the story and I will not share the details. Sorry. Let's just say that I disagree with the decision.
Better video of McCallum's 62 yard FG with other angles of the placement of the tee.
Awesome thread thanks for the info everyone
I tweeted to Darren Cameron to see if the Bombers can introduct the special teams unit prior to Thursday's game.
That field goal was one of the few bright spots from the game and Sergio and crew deserve the extra recognition.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 10, 2025, 06:45:26 PMI tweeted to Darren Cameron to see if the Bombers can introduct the special teams unit prior to Thursday's game.
That field goal was one of the few bright spots from the game and Sergio and crew deserve the extra recognition.
ST have been very good all year, love that. Other two phases need to step up Thursday.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 10, 2025, 06:32:40 PMI do know the story and I will not share the details. Sorry. Let's just say that I disagree with the decision.
Yeah, it seems strange to change a stat so many years after a game.
I think there should be a time restriction to make changes such as 24 hours.
A similar thing recently happened in the NHL where John Garrett was awarded a 2nd assist on Gordie Howe's last goal.
Where do league's draw the line? Do they only make changes for players that have awesome social media campaigns?
McCallum talks about calling the league to change the record to 63 because the ball was closer to the 63 yard line.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 10, 2025, 09:01:47 PMYeah, it seems strange to change a stat so many years after a game.
I think there should be a time restriction to make changes such as 24 hours.
A similar thing recently happened in the NHL where John Garrett was awarded a 2nd assist on Gordie Howe's last goal.
Where do league's draw the line? Do they only make changes for players that have awesome social media campaigns?
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 10, 2025, 09:11:23 PMMcCallum talks about calling the league to change the record to 63 because the ball was closer to the 63 yard line.
So much to say and I will just bite my tongue for a lot of it.
Based on the CFL Bylaws I came across on the now defunct cflmedia website, stat corrections must be initiated within 72 hours of the end of a game.
Can you imagine making a stat change years after the fact and having it trigger a prop bet or a player bonus.
Distance of a field goal attempt is defined as:
(6) Yardage for all Field Goal attempts will be recorded in the play-by-play from the point of the kick to the Goal Line. The point of the kick is defined as the nearest yard line. Example: A kick from 35 yards and 18 inches as measured from the goal line will be recorded as a 36-yard field goal attempt, from 35 yards and 6 inches will be deemed a 35-yard attempt.
At one point, the rule referred to the front of the kicking tee as the point selected.
When McCallum says that he was told in 2001 that the kicking spot had to reach the next line to count as a kick from that distance then that is the rule that his kick was based on.
Scoring rules and interpretations change every year. It would be a nightmare to go back and review plays from previous years if these changes were made retroactively.
I wonder how long 63 will be the record anyway. There are at least 2 that are capable of kicking longer, our own Sergio and Maltos also.
Yup. Well the only way to solve this is for Castillo to kick a 64Yer next game! Problem solved. ;D ;D ;D
Since there was virtually no wind for his 63, if we get a good wind in a game he should be able to do 64 easy.
What I love about Castillo is he just looks completely normal trotting out there, completely normal on the sidelines. It's like "end of game pressure - meh", "longest cfl kick ever - meh".
He may be even more of a robot than Medlock! (Though Castillo does like to celebrate the good ones more than Meddy did.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 11, 2025, 12:56:43 AMYup. Well the only way to solve this is for Castillo to kick a 64Yer next game! Problem solved. ;D ;D ;D
Since there was virtually no wind for his 63, if we get a good wind in a game he should be able to do 64 easy.
What I love about Castillo is he just looks completely normal trotting out there, completely normal on the sidelines. It's like "end of game pressure - meh", "longest cfl kick ever - meh".
He may be even more of a robot than Medlock! (Though Castillo does like to celebrate the good ones more than Meddy did.)
Medlock was robo - he was so dependable, it was ridiculous.
Serge seems to miss the odd one that you don't expect, so a bit of wildcard, but still so good. I don't mind the celebration at all - especially after 63 yds!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 11, 2025, 12:56:43 AMYup. Well the only way to solve this is for Castillo to kick a 64Yer next game! Problem solved. ;D ;D ;D
Since there was virtually no wind for his 63, if we get a good wind in a game he should be able to do 64 easy.
What I love about Castillo is he just looks completely normal trotting out there, completely normal on the sidelines. It's like "end of game pressure - meh", "longest cfl kick ever - meh".
He may be even more of a robot than Medlock! (Though Castillo does like to celebrate the good ones more than Meddy did.)
Actually, there was a wind (out of the SW) that helped Castillo on that kick. (I was at the game.) Paredes missed a FG (wide right, I believe) earlier in the 4th most likely because of the wind. Not sure how the coin flip works but the Bombers made the decision to go with the wind in the 4th quarter. Probably the only decent decision the coaches made all game.
Quote from: Slimy Sculpin on August 11, 2025, 01:32:26 PMActually, there was a wind (out of the SW) that helped Castillo on that kick. (I was at the game.) Paredes missed a FG (wide right, I believe) earlier in the 4th most likely because of the wind. Not sure how the coin flip works but the Bombers made the decision to go with the wind in the 4th quarter. Probably the only decent decision the coaches made all game.
The flags were moving ever so slightly, so you are right, but surely the wind wasn't very strong to impact the ball too much?
We won the coin toss and took the ball. I assume that means CGY took the wind in the 2nd Q. Then they took the ball in 2nd H and that means we took the wind in 4th Q. Actually the best of all worlds: we end with the wind like we always like, AND we get the first possession.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 11, 2025, 04:04:42 AMMedlock was robo - he was so dependable, it was ridiculous.
Serge seems to miss the odd one that you don't expect, so a bit of wildcard, but still so good. I don't mind the celebration at all - especially after 63 yds!
Medlock is still the best ever inside 40 yards. For the 30-39 range, he is number 1 at 95.7% - Sergio is number 2 at 93.0%.
In the 40-49 range, Medlock is #5 at 76.0 and in the 50+ range Medlock cracks the Top 10 at 59.6%.
Medlock is also #1 on convert success rate since the CFL moved the scrimmage for C1 to the 25 yard line - 98.0%. #2 on the list is Sean Whyte at 95.0%.
After he retired, Justin Medlock asked me to break down his kicks into these ranges. He was quite hard on himself for his success rate beyond 40 yards.
Does Medlock have a chance at the CFL hall of fame? Did he play long enough?
Cutler, Ridgeway, Passaglia, McCallum are all in - does he match them?
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2025, 02:11:01 PMDoes Medlock have a chance at the CFL hall of fame? Did he play long enough?
Cutler, Ridgeway, Passaglia, McCallum are all in - does he match them?
The CFL stats are still junked from when genius took over. I can only see his Bomber numbers.
He has about half of the attempts of those guys though. Don't know if he has quite the legacy that they built up.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2025, 02:11:01 PMDoes Medlock have a chance at the CFL hall of fame? Did he play long enough?
Cutler, Ridgeway, Passaglia, McCallum are all in - does he match them?
I think Medlock could still be playing if he wanted to as a FG kicker, strangely he was not overly confident about his roster spot, the Bombers habit of neglecting contract talks probably did little to make him feel he was still wanted.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 12, 2025, 05:02:04 PMI think Medlock could still be playing if he wanted to as a FG kicker, strangely he was not overly confident about his roster spot, the Bombers habit of neglecting contract talks probably did little to make him feel he was still wanted.
No, he struggled with his back in later years.
Medlock always knew he had a place. Walters tried to get him back for consecutive years after he retired until we got Sergio locked up.
Quote from: Jesse on August 12, 2025, 03:14:52 PMThe CFL stats are still junked from when genius took over. I can only see his Bomber numbers.
He has about half of the attempts of those guys though. Don't know if he has quite the legacy that they built up.
You are missing the capital G. As we know by now, genius and Genius are antonyms ;)
Career stats for Justin Medlock
https://www.profootballarchives.com/players/m/medl00600.html (https://www.profootballarchives.com/players/m/medl00600.html)
It is possible that missing 2 years (NFL tryouts) in the middle of his CFL career cost him a shot at the Canadian Football Hall of Fame.
The last Winnipeg Blue Bombers kicker to hold the CFL record for longest field goal was George Fleming. On August 7, 1964, Fleming became the first CFL kicker to connect from 50+ yards when his 55 yard field goal attempt bounced off the crossbar and through. His CFL record lasted just 10 days as Bill Mitchell shattered the pro football record with a 58 yard field goal on August 17, 1964.
The CFL record that George Fleming broke was 48 yards, co-held be Don Sutherin (1962) and George Fleming on September 14, 1963. The Blue Bombers tried to claim sole possession of that record by arguing that Fleming's kick was 48 yards 6 inches but the CFL did not agree.
By the way, George Fleming briefly held the AFL record for longest field goal while playing with the Oakland Raiders in 1961.
First CFL kicker to hit 50+ was a Bomber?
Tremendous kicking legacy.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2025, 02:11:01 PMDoes Medlock have a chance at the CFL hall of fame? Did he play long enough?
Cutler, Ridgeway, Passaglia, McCallum are all in - does he match them?
If he stayed after 'vid, probably. I always thought he hung up the cleats way too early. No reason he couldn't have kept going. And we'd have kept him here.
Castillo, while not as automatic in the short game, is stellar in the "no way" game. I can't think of a kicker I'd rather have than him right now.
Castillo might make that 61Y in BC in 2017(?) to win that WSF...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2025, 04:42:53 AMCastillo might make that 61Y in BC in 2017(?) to win that WSF...
Not sure about that. I thought I read the indoor air was dead and the ball was not carrying well. But maybe.
Another point about George Fleming kicking 50+. That would have been the straight on kicking style in those days. Highly impressive. I remember Dave Cutler and others used to tie their toe in an up position using the bottom of the cleat. pic attached.
Quote from: Waffler on August 13, 2025, 11:55:08 AMNot sure about that. I thought I read the indoor air was dead and the ball was not carrying well. But maybe.
Another point about George Fleming kicking 50+. That would have been the straight on kicking style in those days. Highly impressive. I remember Dave Cutler and others used to tie their toe in an up position using the bottom of the cleat.
Dead air is now a myth. It is a carryover from 15+ years ago when BC Place had the inflated roof. Now that the roof opens the air exchange & circulation is quite good. I have lost a depth chart or two over the years because of a breeze.
Castillo is the only kicker that I have seen attempt a 60+ yard field goal in warmup at BC Place. His 61 yard attempt came up short. 58 yards seems to be Castillo's limit.
George Fleming was a starting halfback (RB) and would have to wear his kicking shoe throughout the game. He probably used a square toed shoe. A Cutler style shoe would have affected his running.
Both MOS and Meddy said Meddy could have made that kick. I can't recall but they may have said he was making them in practice/warmups. Meddy said he kicked it too high, and seemed confident he could have done it. He felt really bad about that one.
According to @CFLStats on TwiXter, the top 3 CFL kickers for 50+ field goals made in a career:
1. Troy Westwood 40
2 Justin Medlock 37
3. Sergio Castillo 34
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 14, 2025, 05:19:34 AM3. Sergio Castillo 34
Seeing as how Castillo is still fairly early in his career (the middle?), he should blow by all those records quite easily.
Too bad the BB didn't win the game... :)
A big difference now is MOS does not seem to worry about missed FG returns as much as he did previously, maybe that has something to do with the lack of points the offence is able to produce currently. 3-4 years ago anything over 50 was thought not worth the risk of a missed FG return, some HC's still prefer to punt deep to ensure they control field position.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 14, 2025, 06:30:49 AMSeeing as how Castillo is still fairly early in his career (the middle?), he should blow by all those records quite easily.
The way our offense is going, he should blow by Westwood this season!!
Sergio talking about last game:
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 10, 2025, 06:45:26 PMI tweeted to Darren Cameron to see if the Bombers can introduct the special teams unit prior to Thursday's game.
That field goal was one of the few bright spots from the game and Sergio and crew deserve the extra recognition.
I have always felt that one game a year the special teams should get introduced pregame.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 14, 2025, 05:19:34 AMAccording to @CFLStats on TwiXter, the top 3 CFL kickers for 50+ field goals made in a career:
1. Troy Westwood 40
2 Justin Medlock 37
3. Sergio Castillo 34
A lot of people are hard on Troy but he sure had a leg
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 15, 2025, 09:31:09 PMA lot of people are hard on Troy but he sure had a leg
Not really. He probably leads the CFL in missed field goals too.
Westwood played 18 seasons.
Medlock played 9
Castillo has played 9 (and one year was 2 games and another year was 4).
If you count them up Westwood is there but if you look at it from any other perspective, nah.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 15, 2025, 11:08:57 PMNot really. He probably leads the CFL in missed field goals too.
Westwood played 18 seasons.
Medlock played 9
Castillo has played 9 (and one year was 2 games and another year was 4).
If you count them up Westwood is there but if you look at it from any other perspective, nah.
Nah, Troy had a good leg and the stats prove it
Westwood was a decent kicker in the first few years of his career but he quickly regressed. By the early 2000s he was one of the worst, if not the worst, field goal kickers in the league. He played a big role in the Bombers upset loss to Calgary in the 2001 Grey Cup missing 3 field goals in a domed stadium. Dave Ritchie famously said following the game, "You gotta field goal kicker?"
After that, in the later stages of his career, it seemed every field goal attempt over 40 yards was an adventure with Westy often badly hooking the ball several yards away from the uprights. Taman should have brought in serious competition for the position around the late 90s/early 2000s, but as was often the case with Brendan he failed to do this.
Re: Troy Westwood 2001
Troy Westwood established an unofficial CFL record in 2001 by attempting 60.8% of his field goals from 40+. Any kicker who tries that many long field goals is going to have a lower than normal success rate.
Adjusted for distance, I have Troy Westwood at about a 69.5% success rate. Although that is not a great number by any means, it is more palatable given the state of CFL kicking in that era.
I won't try to justify the 1 for 4 performance in the Grey Cup, that was just bad.
As a comparison, let's look at Lui Passaglia in 2000.
Passaglia set a CFL record (since broken) by connecting on 40 of 44 field goal attempt for a 90.9% success rate.
Passaglia only tried 2 kicks from beyond 42 yards in 2000 – successful from 48 & 49 yards. I have Lui Passaglia at an 82.5% success rate, adjusted for distance.
Also of note: Passaglia went 6 for 10 in the post season when he wasn't restricted to field goal attempts of 42 yards or less.