Bonds looks bad
Anyone else?
Bonds may be out a long while. New DB time. I don't want Bridges back, but he might be the only option. Feels like re-hiring Roc.
Zach looked like he was walking tenderly after a couple of the sacks/hits. He took a lot of abuse today.
So not the end of the world, all things considered. But certainly won't help our DB corps.
if you tell a guy like Bridges he isn't good enough for your team...then bring him back in 3 days - message is kind of murky, we are on a short week though so it might just be rolling with who we have.
Yeah Bridges isn't likely to come back but one of only ways could put a bandaid on this wound. Be interesting how we shake things up.
Also need to figure out how to improve Kelly and / or scheme to support him better.
Good point Zach did take beating.
Agree likely rolling with who we got but likely will do some shopping for future games
If Bonds is out, give Cam Allen a shot.
Why aren't we bringing in Houston, is he asking too much?? Don't we have cap space?? The guy played here before, seems like a natural fit.
As far as bringing people in, Green Bay (Wilson) played the Jets (Elgersma) yesterday.
Elgersma was the best of a bad QB group 3 for 4 and 89.6 rating.
On the other side Pokey Wilson caught one for 12 yards.
Quote from: Waffler on August 10, 2025, 03:30:23 PMAs far as bringing people in, Green Bay (Wilson) played the Jets (Elgersma) yesterday.
Elgersma was the best of a bad QB group 3 for 4 and 89.6 rating.
On the other side Pokey Wilson caught one for 12 yards.
A huge boost if we could only get one back, not likely imo.
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Looked at the Bonds injury again. Ya, so it's a non-contact, stop/change direction trigger. That's almost always knee, usually ACL. It looks like his right knee just gives out under him. Also hinting at ACL.
Weird he wanted to be helped off the field, though. Usually you can walk away from ACL like nothing happened after the initial shock.
Could also be MCL and/or achilles, but I didn't see much to point at the latter. Achilles usually needs help off.
Could be he blew up a whole lot of stuff in that knee.
Either way, my money is on season-ender and possibly missing a couple of games into 2026.
We'll need to find solutions. If Logan can finally slot in we could have Logan (and less so Vaval) at returns, and Vaval at boundary corner.
That still means we need to bring a body in for PR (or even AR). Vaval is a rookie and not the best option to start all year. He seems ok, but not an instant natural like D.Alford.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 11, 2025, 01:06:45 AMLooked at the Bonds injury again. Ya, so it's a non-contact, stop/change direction trigger. That's almost always knee, usually ACL. It looks like his right knee just gives out under him. Also hinting at ACL.
Weird he wanted to be helped off the field, though. Usually you can walk away from ACL like nothing happened after the initial shock.
Could also be MCL and/or achilles, but I didn't see much to point at the latter. Achilles usually needs help off.
Could be he blew up a whole lot of stuff in that knee.
Either way, my money is on season-ender and possibly missing a couple of games into 2026.
We'll need to find solutions. If Logan can finally slot in we could have Logan (and less so Vaval) at returns, and Vaval at boundary corner.
That still means we need to bring a body in for PR (or even AR). Vaval is a rookie and not the best option to start all year. He seems ok, but not an instant natural like D.Alford.
I can't remember - was Bonds the Bomber coming off with assistance on both sides? He was essentially being carried with no weight on either leg? I distinctly remember that, just not who it was that was carried. Not recalling the injury, I would suspect achilles, just because that is painful and no weight on that leg at all.
You are right, ACL sometimes walks off gingerly but very unstable. MCL would make it less stable and more likely for assistance needed.
Carried off like that (if I am recalling the right player) - achilles is real rough, I've helped someone off the field with that, and seen it a few more times - it is not pretty.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 11, 2025, 02:49:43 AMI can't remember - was Bonds the Bomber coming off with assistance on both sides? He was essentially being carried with no weight on either leg?
Yup, watching it now. No weight on either leg, which is really strange. Even achilles you can do the hoppity hop on one leg.
I didn't really see an ankle buckle, so my money is still on knee. You could be right, maybe MCL instead.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 11, 2025, 04:06:57 AMYup, watching it now. No weight on either leg, which is really strange. Even achilles you can do the hoppity hop on one leg.
I didn't really see an ankle buckle, so my money is still on knee. You could be right, maybe MCL instead.
No, I would say if it is knee it is ACL and MCL, not MCL instead.
And I don't remember ever seeing someone taken off like that - no weight on either leg.
This is just totally spitballing - but if a knee is torn up real bad (think Strev last year), that is painful and really traumatic. Not saying an achilles isn't, because it is huge and can be career ending.
If you didn't see anything to imply an achilles, then I would more suspect a very severe knee injury. ACL and MCL together are more common on Oline - outside forces on a vulnerable knee - I am not sure what would do that in non-contact, but that is just my lack of knowledge - doesn't mean it can't happen.
I just noticed: after Brady's start-of-halftime interview, behind him you can see the cart taking a Bomber off the field. Looks like it's Bonds. He appears to have one leg elevated and straight, the other is bent at the knee lower down.
Looks like the elevated leg is the right leg?
Really hard to tell, blurry, obstructed and very brief.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 11, 2025, 04:15:55 AMIf you didn't see anything to imply an achilles, then I would more suspect a very severe knee injury. ACL and MCL together are more common on Oline - outside forces on a vulnerable knee - I am not sure what would do that in non-contact, but that is just my lack of knowledge - doesn't mean it can't happen.
Non-contact injury right at the moment of stopping or hard change of direction is typical of these knee injuries. They get the "pop" feeling/sound and crumple to the ground as the knee has zero lateral stability.
It occurred right as he was doing the hard stop / plant / change direction to catch the double move.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 11, 2025, 04:18:28 AMNon-contact injury right at the moment of stopping or hard change of direction is typical of these knee injuries. They get the "pop" feeling/sound and crumple to the ground as the knee has zero lateral stability.
It occurred right as he was doing the hard stop / plant / change direction to catch the double move.
I am sure you are right about this.
It's just that everything you just described is so typical of an achilles rupture. The only thing missing is the player saying they thought they were hit in the lower leg with a bat - that's the feeling they get. But the sudden stop and the "pop" feeling and sound is so typical of achilles.
However, in my experience that is with back-pedalling and a sudden stop, not forward motion. Think Matt Dunigan going down with his achilles rupture - just a simple drop back and set to make the pass.
Again I haven't watched the replay for this so not as clear to me.
Either way - being carried off without any weight-bearing is not a good sign for the rest of the season for him, and I feel for him - that really sucks.
#Bombers cornerback Terrell Bonds reveals on IG that he is done for the season. Awful news for the young man and for a team that is continually giving up big passes. #ForTheW
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2025, 10:06:40 PM#Bombers cornerback Terrell Bonds reveals on IG that he is done for the season. Awful news for the young man and for a team that is continually giving up big passes. #ForTheW
Breaks my heart
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2025, 10:06:40 PM#Bombers cornerback Terrell Bonds reveals on IG that he is done for the season. Awful news for the young man and for a team that is continually giving up big passes. #ForTheW
Oh ****! Now they got a problem.
Going to be really interesting to see what they do at CB. Holm over to CB, Griffin to HB, Kramdi to SAM and Kelly at S? Maybe bring Woodbey up, he could back up at SAM
Quote from: kkc60 on August 12, 2025, 10:43:13 PMGoing to be really interesting to see what they do at CB. Holm over to CB, Griffin to HB, Kramdi to SAM and Kelly at S? Maybe bring Woodbey up, he could back up at SAM
It'll just be Vaval getting the promotion.
Everything else stays the same. Need another body for depth.
As expected Bonds did suffer a season ending injury. That's tragic for the young player and could carry over into the 2026 season delaying his chance to return to the team.
OTOH, Logan, Lawson and Vanterpool all listed as " full " at practice so each may be a choice to add to the AR.
Lawson should be a slam dunk over Schemkel. The other two are ratio choices which we've discussed.
Regardless, it's better to have choices than not, but it's not certain we see either play this week.
I'd like to know how the team ranks Wallace compared to Vanterpool beyond the ratio issue.
Ouch. Guy got double moved so hard he blew a knee? Wasn't expecting that.
How would we feel about Purifoy?
Wasn't he pretty solid? Don't believe he's on a roster yet?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2025, 01:18:16 AMOuch. Guy got double moved so hard he blew a knee? Wasn't expecting that.
Nothing to do with how good the move was. Knee blowups are very common on stop/direction change. It's what happens. It's partially (bad) luck, partially something else I've found out I won't reveal at this time...
I'm curious: did they specify exactly what ligament tore?
Quote from: kkc60 on August 12, 2025, 10:43:13 PMGoing to be really interesting to see what they do at CB. Holm over to CB, Griffin to HB, Kramdi to SAM and Kelly at S? Maybe bring Woodbey up, he could back up at SAM
Has Holm ever played CB?
Here's the thing... I'd rather have the SBs locked down than the WRs. That means put your talent at HB, just like we already do.
Inside passes to SBs are far easier for QBs to make. I'd rather make them throw wide at weird angles, which are much harder to complete (unless your name is VAJ).
As such, the "newer" or "weaker" DB goes to CB, the lockdown guys stay at HB.
I say we airlift, if not immediately, then soon.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2025, 05:06:02 AMNothing to do with how good the move was. Knee blowups are very common on stop/direction change. It's what happens. It's partially (bad) luck, partially something else I've found out I won't reveal at this time...
I'm curious: did they specify exactly what ligament tore?
You're right it doesn't matter but the move ummm...effective.
Quote from: kkc60 on August 12, 2025, 10:43:13 PMGoing to be really interesting to see what they do at CB. Holm over to CB, Griffin to HB, Kramdi to SAM and Kelly at S? Maybe bring Woodbey up, he could back up at SAM
I'm not even sure why Woodbey is on the PR. IMO he's not a SAM candidate. He is a WIL or MLB candidate and that's a position we have all sorts of depth.
At 235 lbs I don't see him as being a cover guy which you'd need at SAM.
Now he might be a great candidate at those other positions but PR spots are limited. I would have like another player that could step in somewhere in the secondary when injuries happened. That has now happened.
So we've got Allen but I don't know if he can play elsewhere besides at safety. Perhaps he's very versatile and we may find out this week.
If he's not activated, that tells me we made a depth error in not having another CB/DB on the PR.
It's not a direct knock on Woodbey but the decisions about the PR combinations for depth needs. Not having another DT while Woods was out would be another example.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2025, 05:06:02 AMNothing to do with how good the move was. Knee blowups are very common on stop/direction change. It's what happens. It's partially (bad) luck, partially something else I've found out I won't reveal at this time...
I'm curious: did they specify exactly what ligament tore?
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Don't keep us in suspenders. What's left to reveal? Surgery said to be a success by Bonds himself.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2025, 02:04:41 PMIf he's not activated, that tells me we made a depth error in not having another CB/DB on the PR.
That's the understatement of the year. We made huge errors in the off-season at CB. Bonds barely starts on any other team. Bridges wouldn't make another team PR. Yet we bet the whole season on them.
Parker was the only real backup, and CB is not the desired spot for him, even though he's good and has done it before (2023).
Knowing that couch sitter Lawson would answer the phone helped a bit, but he's new to the corps and clearly will take weeks to get into the WFC groove.
When Ford left, we should have been signing a lockdown league-top-10 corner. ESPECIALLY when TC came & went and we didn't find the next D.Alford or Nichols or Holm.
Now it's panic time and we must pray Parker comes back so we'll only be in "mediocre" mode instead of "complete poop show" mode. And that still doesn't address the other side... What a mess.
Quote from: Waffler on August 13, 2025, 02:13:14 PMDon't keep us in suspenders. What's left to reveal? Surgery said to be a success by Bonds himself.
I'm working on a piece. I can't talk about it, it may get me banned. Only once I have it all solid will I reveal. Sorry for the suspenders.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 13, 2025, 11:25:16 PMI'm working on a piece. I can't talk about it, it may get me banned. Only once I have it all solid will I reveal. Sorry for the suspenders.
Cool. Sounds serious. We don't want you banned though. I myself have had to sit on trick plays I've seen in practice and a picture of Buck Pierce that would blow the lid off this league. ;D
Our secondary and entire defence needs an overhaul... they have no bite right now.. we miss hard hitters like Alexander, Bighill and others that are willing to step up and lead. Younger also is too laid back.. Hall should have stayed on as DC.
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on August 14, 2025, 12:43:48 AMOur secondary and entire defence needs an overhaul... they have no bite right now.. we miss hard hitters like Alexander, Bighill and others that are willing to step up and lead. Younger also is too laid back.. Hall should have stayed on as DC.
Yes, leadership and fire seems lacking. But Willie is clearly D (and probably team) leader, watch him in warmups. He may not work them up as much as AH33 did, though.
Hall is up there in the booth every game... read the tea leaves. I won't say much more, don't want to upset the apple cart...
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2025, 01:18:16 AMOuch. Guy got double moved so hard he blew a knee? Wasn't expecting that.
Hey just checking - has it been confirmed he blew his knee? I haven't seen his post(s), and nothing on here has said it was knee, just season ending and already having surgery.
Any more info?
And Tecno - what are you working on?! Inquiring minds want to know...
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 14, 2025, 02:23:21 AMHey just checking - has it been confirmed he blew his knee? I haven't seen his post(s), and nothing on here has said it was knee, just season ending and already having surgery.
Any more info?
And Tecno - what are you working on?! Inquiring minds want to know...
Pretty sure knee but don't have the dets
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 14, 2025, 02:23:21 AMHey just checking - has it been confirmed he blew his knee? I haven't seen his post(s), and nothing on here has said it was knee, just season ending and already having surgery.
Any more info?
And Tecno - what are you working on?! Inquiring minds want to know...
Ya, it was put on paper (the injury report?) that it was officially "knee". So that means officially not achilles. And the fact it's season-ender, plus surgery, plus the way he went down and all of our predictions: it's ACL or MCL or both. 100% guaranteed.
Let's not forget this means he may not be ready week 1 2026 either, so this impacts next season too. (I think he's good enough we keep him, unless someone flashes better in the meantime (doubtful)).
As for my work: mum's the word. Can't talk about it. Those who really know my M.O. can probably guess, but I won't say here. I guess you can PM me a guess, but I won't confirm!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 14, 2025, 02:54:27 AMYa, it was put on paper (the injury report?) that it was officially "knee". So that means officially not achilles. And the fact it's season-ender, plus surgery, plus the way he went down and all of our predictions: it's ACL or MCL or both. 100% guaranteed.
Let's not forget this means he may not be ready week 1 2026 either, so this impacts next season too. (I think he's good enough we keep him, unless someone flashes better in the meantime (doubtful)).
As for my work: mum's the word. Can't talk about it. Those who really know my M.O. can probably guess, but I won't say here. I guess you can PM me a guess, but I won't confirm!
Okay thanks for the confirmation it was knee - so weird he was essentially carried off for that with no weight on either leg. Makes me think that knee was REALLY unstable, so ACL, MCL and possibly more. Having said that, Strevy is back after a huge knee blowup so we know it is possible to be back the next year. Strevy is a bit outside the norm, but it is possible.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 14, 2025, 04:11:24 AMHaving said that, Strevy is back after a huge knee blowup so we know it is possible to be back the next year. Strevy is a bit outside the norm, but it is possible.
Ya, but Strevy is clearly slower (both speed and accel). While that can be ok in a QB, it's death for a DB. Let's hope because there was no outside strain (like with Strevy) it's not nearly as dire for Bonds.
If a DB is at all slower, it's game over. Didn't Maston and Leggett both go through bad knee injuries and when they came back they were mostly unusable? What a sad situation.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 14, 2025, 06:29:36 AMYa, but Strevy is clearly slower (both speed and accel). While that can be ok in a QB, it's death for a DB. Let's hope because there was no outside strain (like with Strevy) it's not nearly as dire for Bonds.
If a DB is at all slower, it's game over. Didn't Maston and Leggett both go through bad knee injuries and when they came back they were mostly unusable? What a sad situation.
Achilles.
Quote from: J5V on August 14, 2025, 10:21:06 AMAchilles.
Both? Weird they couldn't fully recover.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 14, 2025, 10:42:26 PMBoth? Weird they couldn't fully recover.
Naw. Achilles is one of the worst. I heard it's because it is so hard to get adequate blood flow to heal the tendon adequately. Whenever I hear "achilles" I always fear the worst.
Achilles Injury Severity
"Achilles injuries are particularly severe due to a combination of anatomical, biomechanical, and physiological factors. The Achilles tendon is the largest and strongest tendon in the body, capable of withstanding forces up to 1,100 pounds, and is crucial for walking, running, and jumping.
However, its strength is counterbalanced by a relatively poor blood supply, which significantly hinders its ability to heal after injury. This compromised blood flow is a primary reason why Achilles tendon injuries, especially ruptures, take so long to recover from—often requiring up to a year to return to professional sports, and sometimes resulting in permanent limitations.
The injury often occurs in a specific region of the tendon, 2 to 6 cm above its attachment to the heel bone, where the tendon fibers twist and the blood supply is naturally diminished, making this area particularly vulnerable to degeneration and rupture. This degeneration can be exacerbated by overuse, repetitive stress, and pre-existing tendinopathy, which weakens the tendon over time. Factors like tight calf muscles, high or flat foot arches, and wearing inappropriate or worn-out footwear can further increase strain on the tendon.
Furthermore, the nature of the injury itself contributes to its severity. A rupture is often accompanied by a sudden "pop" sound and sharp pain, rendering the affected foot difficult or impossible to use. The risk of a rupture is significantly heightened if a player returns to competition too soon after a calf strain, as the weakened tendon is more susceptible to a complete tear. This is a critical concern in professional sports, where players may feel pressured to play through minor injuries, leading to more serious damage. The combination of a high-stress environment, the tendon's inherent healing limitations, and the risk of re-injury makes Achilles injuries among the most debilitating in athletics."
Can Evan Holm never play kick cover again? Didn't like the scare he gave us in the second half last night. I don't really care how good he is at it, put in anyone else.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 15, 2025, 01:40:51 PMCan Evan Holm never play kick cover again? Didn't like the scare he gave us in the second half last night. I don't really care how good he is at it, put in anyone else.
I agree. I would rather see Lawson do it, or Allen.
Quote from: kkc60 on August 15, 2025, 04:29:42 PMI agree. I would rather see Lawson do it, or Allen.
Yep, continuing having VaVal returning kicks frightens me, they can't afford to lose him at least until Parker returns. Looks like they've found a few good pieces for the secondary with Vaval and Allen, perhaps replacing Bridges and Bonds.
It was one game but both Allen and Vaval played well on defence. I'm not sure what changes if and when Parker is healthy. That could be as early as this week.
The defence did look gassed in the 4th Q. Many of us have wondered whether another DL would help. Obviously Woods is a ratio change, but Lawson could also help. I don't know which Canadian we'd take out to get him back on the AR.
Football is a 60 minute game and the team has struggled with the last 2 - 3 minutes in the last two games. They have to figure that out.
Road game against the Als is never an easy thing but they have some significant injuries and will be starting their # 3 QB. 4 top players of theirs are on the 1 game IR. The game will be easier if they all miss this game but they all could just as easily be back.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 15, 2025, 01:40:51 PMCan Evan Holm never play kick cover again? Didn't like the scare he gave us in the second half last night. I don't really care how good he is at it, put in anyone else.
I've noticed him a TON on ST. When I did my Hallett deep dive, Holm was in every time Hallett was out, and in sometimes otherwise too! It sucks because #21 and #31 look the same when the jerseys start scrunching, and they are both the same look & body type.
Did you see the Pickett interview last night? They said they can't keep him off of ST. Some guys are eager to do it all. You want to stifle that?
Maybe what we can start doing is
reducing his ST load.
Yes, if Holm gets injured on ST (or D) we're royally screwed. The great thing with him on D is no one tests him so he gets like only 2-4 instances of "work" a game! Can't get contact injuries if you're mostly just running around on your own covering guys that don't get attempts.