Streveler is not a starter or back up. We need a a decent backup. Or give Wilson a shot. Cause we're in trouble with 17. He not a passer he should be a running back. He has lost his speed , probably because of his injury. It is not his fault but he was never a starter. He has a great attitude and a team player but not a starter. I like him he is not a heir to Collaros. I know he helped us win a cup in 2019 , big heart played injured. I wish he would of stayed instead of going south. Good teams have a dependable backup QB.. my opinion sorry I love the blue!!
Yeah he's a fan favourite but he did squat on offence. 49 yards passing in the 1st half. Ended up with 173 yards but 100 yards was hard earned YAC after short passes.
He just screams low IQ QB...seems to always panic and resort to the short stuff.
He's got happy feet and seemingly lacks confidence in making positive decisions.
Fan favorite indeed but can be so hard to watch
He is not a CFL QB. N
His passing motion is unorthodox he was a great runner. If he stayed in the CFL instead if going south he may have developed maybe. I can't believe he was on Arizona he was not very good. Like I said he had a big heart and awesome positive attitude. He has the makings of being a coach if he wants to. In my opinion.
Quote from: Austin85 on August 02, 2025, 04:16:47 AMHe is not a CFL QB. N
His passing motion is unorthodox he was a great runner. If he stayed in the CFL instead if going south he may have developed maybe. I can't believe he was on Arizona he was not very good. Like I said he had a big heart and awesome positive attitude. He has the makings of being a coach if he wants to. In my opinion.
A coach needs to be smart, strevy probably has the lowest football IQ for a Qb in the league
We need a future qb why did we let Dru Brown go? I would of traded Collaros. We develop a qb and let him leave. Collaros has not played well in cup 22/23/24. His best days are done. I appreciate what he has done, God bless him. We may have had some growing pains with Dru Brown but he would of overcome them.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if we're starting Strev or Wilson. If Zach isn't in, we're toast.
Complain all you want about who is #2 or #3 or #4, it's irrelevant.
This is a winning business the CFL relies on attendance to help carry them. We do not have the big TV money like the NFL. We need to stay on top of it every year or do our best. All teams need to, I know but if we want to keep putting people in an our stadium let's keep giving them too notch talent.
Quote from: Austin85 on August 02, 2025, 04:24:16 AMWe need a future qb why did we let Dru Brown go? I would of traded Collaros. We develop a qb and let him leave. Collaros has not played well in cup 22/23/24. His best days are done. I appreciate what he has done, God bless him. We may have had some growing pains with Dru Brown but he would of overcome them.
The same Dru Brown who leads the 2-6 Ottawa Redblacks who has also had concussion issues? Ok then. I'll take Zach.
Ok sure take Zach and all his picks
You realize Dru is also throwing a bunch of picks and is constantly injured, right?
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2025, 04:19:32 AMA coach needs to be smart, strevy probably has the lowest football IQ for a Qb in the league
I don't think Strev is really low IQ, he's a great athlete that probably moved to QB too late as a teen and missed out on a lot of the early brain development that happens naturally as a young QB.
Totally believe developing vision is something that can't be learned later on, no matter how long one studies they can't comprehend the fluctuating picture. Like a great artist or musician the creative skills that set one apart are developed at an early age and forged in fire.
Streveler was always a runner first and a Qb second. He cant run the same anymore.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 02, 2025, 04:46:50 AMI don't think Strev is really low IQ, he's a great athlete that probably moved to QB too late as a teen and missed out on a lot of the early brain development that happens naturally as a young QB.
Totally believe developing vision is something that can't be learned later on, no matter how long one studies they can't comprehend the fluctuating picture. Like a great artist or musician the creative skills that set one apart are developed at an early age and forged in fire.
Very interesting theory, I have no idea if there is any scientific evidence for it but it really is interesting. I agree I don't think Strev is low IQ.
Streveler is the best we have by far. He just wins. Who do you want? Fajardo? A washed Collaros? lol. No thanks.
Quote from: Strevy on August 02, 2025, 05:56:47 AMStreveler is the best we have by far. He just wins. Who do you want? Fajardo? A washed Collaros? lol. No thanks.
You do a disservice to Zach Collaros. Your post (and previous posts on Zach BTW) is nonsense. Just saying. And you don't know how Streveler stacks up with Wilson or Artopeus so best wait to see how they compare after
they have played full games.
Quote from: Austin85 on August 02, 2025, 04:16:47 AMHe is not a CFL QB.
Right,
he's an NFL one. Down there, what, 4 seasons? That's better than 99% of the CFL QBs who go south. Better than Rourke!
(Not saying he's great, just making a point)
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2025, 04:19:32 AMA coach needs to be smart, strevy probably has the lowest football IQ for a Qb in the league
I'm not sure. His Aww Shucks bumpkin routine may be misleading. I seriously couldn't say if he was dumb or smart (yet), and I'm usually the first to jump to conclusions (I watch a lot of pressers).
For sure he's not a cerebral QB! But many good QBs aren't (VAJ, Durant, etc).
Quote from: Jesse on August 02, 2025, 04:28:15 AMAt the end of the day, it doesn't matter if we're starting Strev or Wilson. If Zach isn't in, we're toast.
And yet: Zach & Strev, 2 wins a piece. Zach with more losses...
(Not saying you're wrong in general, but you're wrong at this moment!)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 02, 2025, 08:42:59 AMAnd yet: Zach & Strev, 2 wins a piece. Zach with more losses...
(Not saying you're wrong in general, but you're wrong at this moment!)
I was speaking in a season long capacity; but sure, as long as Strev gets a 21 point cushion from D and ST, he can pull off a squeaker here and there.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 02, 2025, 07:33:33 AMYou do a disservice to Zach Collaros. Your post (and previous posts on Zach BTW) is nonsense. Just saying. And you don't know how Streveler stacks up with Wilson or Artopeus so best wait to see how they compare after they have played full games.
Streveler is ahead of them for a reason. Unless you think our coaching staff is wrong? Zach throws more picks than TD's and has the worst QB rating of all starters in the CFL. He is not good enough anymore, it happens to all athletes at some point. Nothing wrong with that. Streveler is better now. 2-0. And will only get better with first team reps. He still needs to clean up
his game but that comes with playing. We should be celebrating we now have a chance! Go Strevy Go!!!!
I agree. Strev for offensive player of the week
That performance reminded me of Mike Quinn throwing a pick 6 at the end of the game in 2006. The final nail in his football career.
Jeez you guys.
Streveler has the same number of wins as Collaros this year.
Wins are still what matters, right?
(I do agree that he's going to have a hard time beating the best teams playing like that but when your backup QB is 2-0 you send flowers and a thank you card.)
Hogan also needs to call two run plays at the end of the game instead of the throw into the end zone. Streveler has the everyone's back. Hogan needs to have his. Streveler played like he always does. And he won again.
On to next week.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2025, 01:39:15 PMJeez you guys.
Streveler has the same number of wins as Collaros this year.
Wins are still what matters, right?
(I do agree that he's going to have a hard time beating the best teams playing like that but when your backup QB is 2-0 you send flowers and a thank you card.)
Hogan also needs to call two run plays at the end of the game instead of the throw into the end zone. Streveler has the everyone's back. Hogan needs to have his. Streveler played like he always does. And he won again.
On to next week.
2 starts, two wins. ZERO lossses. Strevelers better. Not even close. Play calling sucks but I expect JJ will clean that up. Hogan is too raw.
Some of his plays lastnight really left me wanting to bang my head. All he has is gusto. It works for small bits, can pump up the team and make them play better. But he's just not starter material.
He's an ideal shortyardage guy.
To watch that game and talk about Strev in a positive capacity is baffling to me. He had a rough night.
Quote from: Jesse on August 02, 2025, 01:54:28 PMTo watch that game and talk about Strev in a positive capacity is baffling to me. He had a rough night.
Every-time he threw the ball more than 10 yards I was holding my breath.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 02, 2025, 07:33:33 AMYou do a disservice to Zach Collaros. Your post (and previous posts on Zach BTW) is nonsense. Just saying. And you don't know how Streveler stacks up with Wilson or Artopeus so best wait to see how they compare after they have played full games.
Streveler isn't the long term answer, and he's limited as a QB, but the truth is so is Collaros in 2025.
Different reasons for the limitations but both are probably definite. Streveler is what he is. Zach is what he is now.
And again, I just bought myself a brand new Collaros jersey yesterday. He's the best QB we've had in 25 years and I'll wear that jersey like I do Stegall and Roberts and a few others. He deserves all the credit in the world for what he did.
We'll see if Collaros can eke out a good stretch in the back half of the season but I won't be surprised if he can't. The QB cliff is real and it comes at different ages for every one.
I would suggest that we watch the NFL Cuts for a young QB.
Quote from: Bomber Diehard on August 02, 2025, 02:26:40 PMI would suggest that we watch the NFL Cuts for a young QB.
We've got one in the pipeline. Taylor Elgersma. Canadian. Didn't play NCAA ball but the fact he was able to convince the Green Bay Packers he's worth a training camp spot is massive. There's a few organizations down south who absolutely know the position and Green Bay is one.
We just have to pray he crashes out this month.
All this talk on strev is mind blowing. Plain and simple, which is the streveller way, He was awful.
We should be talking about Vavol and his 2 TDs and the D line who knocked down about 8-10 passes (ie more than the secondary!!) and caused a fumble that lead to a TD.
Our D line played it's best game of the year and all we can talk about is streveller??! C mon give me a break. The guy doesn't make any other teams roster than ours and is a disaster in the pocket.
Thank you special teams and D line for an outstanding performances, one that we haven't seen in I don't know how long. It was the only reason we won last night.
I don't think anyone in an NFL camp currently will have any influence on our QB situation this year. Firstly, anyone cut at the end of August is much more likely to hang around down south hoping to get picked up on an NFL practice roster than come up here for 6 to 8 weeks for the pocket change they would make on our PR. They would make more in one week on an NFL PR than they would make on ours for the rest of the season.
Secondly, it's going to take time for any NFL QB to adjust and learn the CFL game. Even Elgersma if he came up would have to serve his time as a developmental QB for a couple of years.
And no CFL team is likely to give up any alternatives to us than are better than our current 2 QBs, with the possible exception of Fajardo, if/when elks are eliminated from playoffs.
Having said that, I would rather have Fajardo behind Collaros than Streveler.
Streveler is not very good, although he's probably not as bad as he looked last night because our current O-line and receivers are not very good.
Streveler career 25 / 26 TD to int. In seasons 2019 - 2025 14 / 21 TD to int. 95 / 147 completions. In 2025 5 / 6 TD to int ratio.
Those are not good numbers or improving trends for any QB. His running numbers are down to next to nothing and that used to be his biggest asset.
Some are trying to quantify that the Bombers are 2 - 0 when he's started this year.
Sure. Last night he was 0 / 3. A pick 6 and an int in the end zone. Others have said we didn't win because of him we won in spite of him. 2 return TD's a fumble recovery TD and the DL knocking down 8 passes won the game. Some very good plays by Demski and Oliveria on offence WAS the offence.
Streveler himself looks frustrated as he can no longer outrun dlinemen The loss of footspeed is dramatic
That said hes in tough with this subpar receiving group and poor OC
Other than the extremely poor decision to throw into the endzone when they had a back breaking field goal pretty much in the bag, Streveler did Ok. He made some key throws downfield when he had to. It's just a different game with him at the helm. It becomes a power game and he's a big part of that. That's the style he's suited for. He does just enough throwing to keep the defence honest. I would agree he's not starter material. And there are a few backups that are better, but he's not a bad backup to have. He gives defences something they're not used to.
Strev is decent backup at a great price. Not a great outing.
Zach is our guy and is great when healthy and our OL is at least average.
Dru Brown is good and I miss him but that was the right decision at the time and no need to rehash it.
Quote from: bomb squad on August 02, 2025, 07:18:02 PMOther than the extremely poor decision to throw into the endzone when they had a back breaking field goal pretty much in the bag, Streveler did Ok. He made some key throws downfield when he had to. It's just a different game with him at the helm. It becomes a power game and he's a big part of that. That's the style he's suited for. He does just enough throwing to keep the defence honest. I would agree he's not starter material. And there are a few backups that are better, but he's not a bad backup to have. He gives defences something they're not used to.
Fajardo in 10 x the Qb streveller is and arguably better than Collaros right now and he was a backup in Edmonton mind you his recent 2 hot games likely shifted him into the #1 spot in Edmonton and this off season I d go after him as a replacement for zc
Quote from: dd on August 03, 2025, 02:54:49 AMFajardo in 10 x the Qb Steelers and arguably better than Collaros right now and he was a backup in Edmonton mind you his recent 2 hot games likely shifted him into the #1 spot in Edmonton and this off season I d go after him as a replacement for zc
Yep, it's going to be hard for Ford to get his job back when Fajardo plays that well, which is exactly what many thought would happen when the Elks signed him. Don't know if they'll be able to keep them both next season but Fajardo is going to be asking for a lot more money if he's the starter. Maybe Hervey will cut Ty Ford to pay for his raise!
Quote from: BomberFan73 on August 02, 2025, 01:54:22 PMSome of his plays lastnight really left me wanting to bang my head. All he has is gusto. It works for small bits, can pump up the team and make them play better. But he's just not starter material.
He's an ideal shortyardage guy.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2025, 02:21:30 PMDifferent reasons for the limitations but both are probably definite. Streveler is what he is.
SB&G gets it. He is what he is what he's always been. And as WPG fans we should all know this.
He's great SY with a real run and pass threat.
And he's a great budget backup who will keep you at .500. How much money do the other teams tie up in their vet backup QB? $150-$250k I would guess. Not $100-ish. Don't underestimate how much having Strev as the ultimate budget SY+backup QB means to our SMS. He basically pays for the entire Vaughters acquisition.
Now, if the post-season is coming and Zach is going to be out, we need to real solution, for sure. But that's when you hit the trades and couch sitters... just like we did in '19!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 03, 2025, 03:40:50 AMSB&G gets it. He is what he is what he's always been. And as WPG fans we should all know this.
He's great SY with a real run and pass threat.
And he's a great budget backup who will keep you at .500. How much money do the other teams tie up in their vet backup QB? $150-$250k I would guess. Not $100-ish. Don't underestimate how much having Strev as the ultimate budget SY+backup QB means to our SMS. He basically pays for the entire Vaughters acquisition.
Now, if the post-season is coming and Zach is going to be out, we need to real solution, for sure. But that's when you hit the trades and couch sitters... just like we did in '19!
None of that is hardly a reason to keep him. It's a sub set of signing Collaros to a big raise in recent seasons. For every $$$$ spend somewhere, it's another $$$ not spent elsewhere.
Spending the SMS and getting the best bang for the buck is complicated and there is no perfect solution.
Choices are made in free agency. Some work out well and others don't.
We could have signed some players for the money spent on D.Mitchell that could be starting for us NOW. As an example M. Sayles as a starting CB. Or A. Green as a Canadian CB.
Management needs a crystal ball but there is a lot of guess work evaluating where and who fills a specific need.
Going into free agency we knew receiver was a high level of need.
I don't know that we had other # 2 QB's available to us or at what possible cost.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 03, 2025, 04:59:51 PMNone of that is hardly a reason to keep him. It's a sub set of signing Collaros to a big raise in recent seasons. For every $$$$ spend somewhere, it's another $$$ not spent elsewhere.
Spending the SMS and getting the best bang for the buck is complicated and there is no perfect solution.
Choices are made in free agency. Some work out well and others don't.
We could have signed some players for the money spent on D.Mitchell that could be starting for us NOW. As an example M. Sayles as a starting CB. Or A. Green as a Canadian CB.
Management needs a crystal ball but there is a lot of guess work evaluating where and who fills a specific need.
Going into free agency we knew receiver was a high level of need.
I don't know that we had other # 2 QB's available to us or at what possible cost.
They re-signed Strev this past off-season after a mediocre showing in 2024, so they knew what they were getting and their plan was to stand pat. If they wanted a change and wanted to be aggressive they had the opportunity to pursue a number of CFL vets, including Fajardo and MBT. Walters always uses the bounds of the SMS to temper aggressive pursuits which is reasonable behaviour.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 02, 2025, 08:41:49 AMFor sure he's not a cerebral QB! But many good QBs aren't (VAJ, Durant, etc).
Terry Bradshaw. LOL!
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2025, 03:35:35 PMAll this talk on strev is mind blowing. Plain and simple, which is the streveller way, He was awful.
We should be talking about Vavol and his 2 TDs and the D line who knocked down about 8-10 passes (ie more than the secondary!!) and caused a fumble that lead to a TD.
Our D line played it's best game of the year and all we can talk about is streveller??! C mon give me a break. The guy doesn't make any other teams roster than ours and is a disaster in the pocket.
Thank you special teams and D line for an outstanding performances, one that we haven't seen in I don't know how long. It was the only reason we won last night.
The title of this thread is "STREVELER". Where else would we talk about him. Sheesh!
Hate him all you want, he made some clutch throws and some gutsy runs in this game that absolutely helped us nail down the W. The guy is 100% viking warrior. Yes he goes berserker sometimes but I'd keep him over other QBs like MBT (puke), Masoli, etc.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 03, 2025, 05:18:15 PMThey re-signed Strev this past off-season after a mediocre showing in 2024, so they knew what they were getting and their plan was to stand pat. If they wanted a change and wanted to be aggressive they had the opportunity to pursue a number of CFL vets, including Fajardo and MBT. Walters always uses the bounds of the SMS to temper aggressive pursuits which is reasonable behaviour.
Yes and no. It doesn't explain D. Mitchell signed for a lot of money and sitting on the 1 game IR for 6 weeks. Ditto for J. Jones sitting for 6 weeks. Great to have depth but that was a significant trade off.
It seems some decisions about the starters and back ups were made before TC. We have a grand total of 1 rookie import on the AR and if Logan didn't get hurt we may not have seen Vaval yet.
Other than Cooley and our # 4 QB, we only have 2025 draft choices that are on the AR that are rookies.
Given the lacklustre state of our receiving corps I don't understand why we didn't go after Hollins. Heck Montreal just did!!you mean to tell me we don't need a burner with cfl experience in our lineup?!?! I am mystified by our personnel decisions
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 03, 2025, 05:56:57 PMYes and no. It doesn't explain D. Mitchell signed for a lot of money and sitting on the 1 game IR for 6 weeks. Ditto for J. Jones sitting for 6 weeks. Great to have depth but that was a significant trade off.
It seems some decisions about the starters and back ups were made before TC. We have a grand total of 1 rookie import on the AR and if Logan didn't get hurt we may not have seen Vaval yet.
Other than Cooley and our # 4 QB, we only have 2025 draft choices that are on the AR that are rookies.
I thought we were talking about Strev in this thread? No one has a crystal ball, maybe Dillon Mitchell should explain why he's sitting on the PR mid-season? As for J. Jones, Kyrie has played well and remained healthy, he can take over his job when and if he falters.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 03, 2025, 08:01:44 PMI thought we were talking about Strev in this thread? No one has a crystal ball, maybe Dillon Mitchell should explain why he's sitting on the PR mid-season? As for J. Jones, Kyrie has played well and remained healthy, he can take over his job when and if he falters.
We are but it was mentioned that Streveler was a good deal for the SMS and whether we shouldn't have stood pat at QB.
At the price we paid I believe he has already earned his salary and will continue to bring a great deal of value and a good emergency backup
If he could just clean up the turnovers that would be great
Throwing out any career stats on a player has little or no value. Throwing our past success in the NFL, again, little to no value.
Sure, they suggest that the player has ability, but only current results tell us whether a player should be in the position they have been given.
I love Strevy, there is no doubt about his character or his desire/drive. But when it comes to results...
I HATE that he occasionally hits a long pass or drops on in over Cam Judge. Because that makes people forget somewhat about him fixating on an endzone throw and almost costing us the game.
If he stunk 70% of the time, we could move on. But to me, it seems he's very good 15% of the time, m'eh 70%, and awful 15%. And with the ST and D support "he" gets a win. "He" does not deserve credit for the win, far from it.
Do I hate having him as a backup / SY guy? Not at all, he brings a lot in that role, and is great value.
Do I hate having him start? YES. We KNOW what he brings as a starter, and while the team has wins with him starting, its not wins due to his play. So saying he wins games is a total fallacy.
He is not our post Collaros starter, that has been established with his play over the years.
So, if Wilson is in our succession plan, lets see what we have in him. If Chase is in that mix, lets let him get some reps, in practice and live fire.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 03, 2025, 10:08:08 PMThrowing out any career stats on a player has little or no value. Throwing our past success in the NFL, again, little to no value.
Sure, they suggest that the player has ability, but only current results tell us whether a player should be in the position they have been given.
I love Strevy, there is no doubt about his character or his desire/drive. But when it comes to results...
I HATE that he occasionally hits a long pass or drops on in over Cam Judge. Because that makes people forget somewhat about him fixating on an endzone throw and almost costing us the game.
If he stunk 70% of the time, we could move on. But to me, it seems he's very good 15% of the time, m'eh 70%, and awful 15%. And with the ST and D support "he" gets a win. "He" does not deserve credit for the win, far from it.
Do I hate having him as a backup / SY guy? Not at all, he brings a lot in that role, and is great value.
Do I hate having him start? YES. We KNOW what he brings as a starter, and while the team has wins with him starting, its not wins due to his play. So saying he wins games is a total fallacy.
He is not our post Collaros starter, that has been established with his play over the years.
So, if Wilson is in our succession plan, lets see what we have in him. If Chase is in that mix, lets let him get some reps, in practice and live fire.
Agreed, the uncertainty around Zach's current abilities make me nervous about sticking with Strev as a backup, who if injuries dictate could be called upon
IF the Bombers make the playoffs. I can accept they won't make any change this year and may not make the GC, but if they're both brought back next season as if "all's good", it will be a small indicator that O'Shea is willing to go down with the ship rather than alter course.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 03, 2025, 10:33:43 PMAgreed, the uncertainty around Zach's current abilities make me nervous about sticking with Strev as a backup, who if injuries dictate could be called upon IF the Bombers make the playoffs. I can accept they won't make any change this year and may not make the GC, but if they're both brought back next season as if "all's good", it will be a small indicator that O'Shea is willing to go down with the ship rather than alter course.
There have been times in the past 2 years where I've wondered if winning at all costs is really not his goal anymore, that winning the right way and treating his players in what he see's as the right way is even more important to him. He's won multiple cups as player and coach, and maybe now he puts more stock in doing things "the right way" according to him. I'm sure he still wants to win, but not in the cut throat way some coaches/GMs do (Wally Buono comes to mind). Could be wrong, just a thought I've had after seeing some of the decisions he's made.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 03, 2025, 10:08:08 PMThrowing out any career stats on a player has little or no value. Throwing our past success in the NFL, again, little to no value.
Sure, they suggest that the player has ability, but only current results tell us whether a player should be in the position they have been given.
I love Strevy, there is no doubt about his character or his desire/drive. But when it comes to results...
I HATE that he occasionally hits a long pass or drops on in over Cam Judge. Because that makes people forget somewhat about him fixating on an endzone throw and almost costing us the game.
If he stunk 70% of the time, we could move on. But to me, it seems he's very good 15% of the time, m'eh 70%, and awful 15%. And with the ST and D support "he" gets a win. "He" does not deserve credit for the win, far from it.
Do I hate having him as a backup / SY guy? Not at all, he brings a lot in that role, and is great value.
Do I hate having him start? YES. We KNOW what he brings as a starter, and while the team has wins with him starting, its not wins due to his play. So saying he wins games is a total fallacy.
He is not our post Collaros starter, that has been established with his play over the years.
So, if Wilson is in our succession plan, lets see what we have in him. If Chase is in that mix, lets let him get some reps, in practice and live fire.
The succession plan doesn't matter when you're trying to win games in 2025. The coaches have deemed that Strev is better than Wilson right now and that's the only thing that matters.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 03, 2025, 04:59:51 PMI don't know that we had other # 2 QB's available to us or at what possible cost.
Let's look at it this way. Who are the top teams right now and their backups?
SSK Maier
HAM Powell
CGY nobody
MTL MBT
Maier & MBT cost decent coin ($150-200? more?). Powell hasn't proven anything yet and is probably same $ as Strev. Mr Nobody in CGY is ELC.
So 2 teams splurged for a "real" #2 (both of who are new to those teams). The $ tied-up doesn't seem to have hurt SSK any. But MTL is struggling, but probably more due to injury than QB $ tied up.
Powell is predicted by some (me) to be a future starter. So he may do ok. Or he may lose everything.
CGY will be lucky to win anything, and they have probably the best team before VAJ got hurt.
SSK is good enough that Maier might win up to .600 for them, should Trevor go down.
MBT should win .500 for MTL, but injuries are killing them.
Let's look at the "bad" teams:
BC: "expensive" QB2, sucking badly, doesn't support the case
TOR: "expensive" QB2, sucking badly, doesn't support the case
OTT: cheap QB2, sucking badly, supports the case
EDM: "expensive" QB2, sucking badly, doesn't support the case
* expensive means expensive for a #2
Bottom line: teams can tie up $800-$900k on QB 1 & 2 and still win, clearly. But some teams are struggling even with an expensive #2. So it looks like there is no correlation between "expensive" QB2 and sucking.
Us? We have only ~$700k in our QB1&2. How much is that savings allowing us to field better guys elsewhere, etc? Or maybe it's a function of having the highest-paid-by-a-mile RB...
If we wanted a legit mercenary QB2 in FA, there will be guys available in FA26. Wilson is great SY, so we could get a "legit backup" if we really wanted to. But it'll cost us an extra $100k. Who do we sacrifice because of that?
I still think we are just a "let's gamble" club when it comes to QB1 health. And if poop happens we'll just try to solve it at that time with best-available options. Just like 2019.
And what will a "good QB2" do for you in the post-season anyhow? Arbuckle is the first example in a loooong time of a #2 actually winning something in the post-season. Most other examples have the team losing baaaaadly (i.e. Dinwiddie).
Quote from: Jesse on August 03, 2025, 11:19:18 PMThe succession plan doesn't matter when you're trying to win games in 2025. The coaches have deemed that Strev is better than Wilson right now and that's the only thing that matters.
Right on. Next season QB situation gets a side eye level of attention, at best. We'll worry about that Nov 17.
And Mafia doesn't care if Strev can't start and win 9 games for us, because that's not the plan, and shouldn't come to pass. If Zach is season-ended come trade deadline I fully expect us to make some splash trade and pull a '19.
Ford, Powell, Masoli could all be up for sale at the right price (i.e. an arm & leg) at the deadline, depending on team standings. Ford or Powell might give us a better shot in the post-season than Strev. Maybe. Masoli would probably be on par with Strev.
Quote from: bunker on August 03, 2025, 11:14:41 PMThere have been times in the past 2 years where I've wondered if winning at all costs is really not his goal anymore, that winning the right way and treating his players in what he see's as the right way is even more important to him.
Ya, for sure. But to the average player, would you rather have the cup and garbage man of HC? Or one & done with the Nicest HC Ever? Serious question.
Answer might depend on the age / marital status of the player...
Quote from: theaardvark on August 03, 2025, 10:08:08 PMI HATE that he occasionally hits a long pass or drops on in over Cam Judge. Because that makes people forget somewhat about him fixating on an endzone throw and almost costing us the game.
LOL, Aards in the stands wishing bad things on Strev all game: "
Just botch it, throw another INT, do it now! I want to be rid of you!" "
Argh, you made a great zone sit pass, curse you!"
Quote from: theaardvark on August 03, 2025, 10:08:08 PMIf he stunk 70% of the time, we could move on. But to me, it seems he's very good 15% of the time, m'eh 70%, and awful 15%. And with the ST and D support "he" gets a win. "He" does not deserve credit for the win, far from it.
Have you seen a lot of Zach games in the last 3 seasons? He "won" a whole lot of those games because of the D or ST too!
And who's to say Strev being the leader for his wins isn't what drove the D/ST to be better? Who knows.
Ya, Zach is by far the better QB, and I want him starting every game, but let's not be hard on Strev as the relief pitcher. Up until this very second he's been a very decent backup QB for us over the years, all things considered.
As for post-Zach starter, I'm 99% positive no one is thinking about Strev being that anymore: NFL didn't make him "better" in any way, shape or form. No, the entire post-Zach plan is buy a top-3 in FA no matter the cost. Preferably Alexander!
Quote from: Jesse on August 03, 2025, 11:19:18 PMThe succession plan doesn't matter when you're trying to win games in 2025. The coaches have deemed that Strev is better than Wilson right now and that's the only thing that matters.
With the lack of live fire reps for Wilson, I don't think that can be an objective assessment.
Streveler has really crapped the bed while the teams manages to win. Those W's on his record are NOT earned, they are inherited. And every post game he keeps saying "I have to be better, I will learn from this film". I don't think he can get better, or learn from film any more, he hasn't and its been how many years?
I'm sure if we can win with Streveler, we have just as much chance of winning with Wilson, otherwise, what the heck is he still here for.
Poop or get off the pot.
We don't want to get to the GC and have to put Wilson in due to injury in the WDF (or EDF if we cross over).
Ask Dinwiddie how that works.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 04, 2025, 07:21:34 AMLet's look at it this way. Who are the top teams right now and their backups?
SSK Maier
HAM Powell
CGY nobody
MTL MBT
Maier & MBT cost decent coin ($150-200? more?). Powell hasn't proven anything yet and is probably same $ as Strev. Mr Nobody in CGY is ELC.
So 2 teams splurged for a "real" #2 (both of who are new to those teams). The $ tied-up doesn't seem to have hurt SSK any. But MTL is struggling, but probably more due to injury than QB $ tied up.
Powell is predicted by some (me) to be a future starter. So he may do ok. Or he may lose everything.
CGY will be lucky to win anything, and they have probably the best team before VAJ got hurt.
SSK is good enough that Maier might win up to .600 for them, should Trevor go down.
MBT should win .500 for MTL, but injuries are killing them.
Let's look at the "bad" teams:
BC: "expensive" QB2, sucking badly, doesn't support the case
TOR: "expensive" QB2, sucking badly, doesn't support the case
OTT: cheap QB2, sucking badly, supports the case
EDM: "expensive" QB2, sucking badly, doesn't support the case
* expensive means expensive for a #2
Bottom line: teams can tie up $800-$900k on QB 1 & 2 and still win, clearly. But some teams are struggling even with an expensive #2. So it looks like there is no correlation between "expensive" QB2 and sucking.
Us? We have only ~$700k in our QB1&2. How much is that savings allowing us to field better guys elsewhere, etc? Or maybe it's a function of having the highest-paid-by-a-mile RB...
If we wanted a legit mercenary QB2 in FA, there will be guys available in FA26. Wilson is great SY, so we could get a "legit backup" if we really wanted to. But it'll cost us an extra $100k. Who do we sacrifice because of that?
I still think we are just a "let's gamble" club when it comes to QB1 health. And if poop happens we'll just try to solve it at that time with best-available options. Just like 2019.
And what will a "good QB2" do for you in the post-season anyhow? Arbuckle is the first example in a loooong time of a #2 actually winning something in the post-season. Most other examples have the team losing baaaaadly (i.e. Dinwiddie).
Cost is the LAST consideration I have for QB2.
They should either be a proven QB that is trying to get back to QB1 status, or a future QB1. Case 1 costs $SMS, case 2 does not.
We have case 3, a never has been, never projected to be QB1, who has flashes of brilliance but is generally m'eh, who came very cheap. And is a fan favourite (sells jerseys, puts butts in seats).
I want a case 2, we had it in Dru Brown, but Collaros wasn't ready to go, so we lost him. Every time we hear about Wilson, they mention he throws such a nice ball. Two games ago, MOS said it, and then complimented Streveler, talking about his one good pass.
We need either a VERY short leash on Streveler, or to give Wilson a start. We cannot rely on Vaval getting 2 TD's and Willie getting 4 pass knockdowns to be able to win a game any longer.
Teams can scheme against Streveler too, now, although its not hard. With no film on Wilson, that will be much harder.
Edm almost won with Ford being benched. They should have, but for a dropped ball.
I'd happily lose to Calgary if it mean we get a strong look at Wilson and what he can do with live reps against a quality team. Tossing him in in garbage time after we go down bigly is not the answer.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 04, 2025, 07:32:11 AMRight on. Next season QB situation gets a side eye level of attention, at best. We'll worry about that Nov 17.
And Mafia doesn't care if Strev can't start and win 9 games for us, because that's not the plan, and shouldn't come to pass. If Zach is season-ended come trade deadline I fully expect us to make some splash trade and pull a '19.
Ford, Powell, Masoli could all be up for sale at the right price (i.e. an arm & leg) at the deadline, depending on team standings. Ford or Powell might give us a better shot in the post-season than Strev. Maybe. Masoli would probably be on par with Strev.
With BLM's return to success I expect he will continue his career a few more years than he originally anticipated much to the chagrin of young backup Taylor Powell. I know the Ti-Cats will do everything they can to retain him but I can't see him being happy in that situation, Bombers should do everything in their power working with Goveia to ensure he lands in their lap, let Ted take whoever he wants other than Brady.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 04, 2025, 05:39:10 PMWith BLM's return to success I expect he will continue his career a few more years than he originally anticipated much to the chagrin of young backup Taylor Powell. I know the Ti-Cats will do everything they can to retain him but I can't see him being happy in that situation, Bombers should do everything in their power working with Goveia to ensure he lands in their lap, let Ted take whoever he wants other than Brady.
Streveler for Powell?
DEAL!
Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2025, 05:22:30 PMCost is the LAST consideration I have for QB2.
They should either be a proven QB that is trying to get back to QB1 status, or a future QB1. Case 1 costs $SMS, case 2 does not.
We have case 3, a never has been, never projected to be QB1, who has flashes of brilliance but is generally m'eh, who came very cheap. And is a fan favourite (sells jerseys, puts butts in seats).
I want a case 2, we had it in Dru Brown, but Collaros wasn't ready to go, so we lost him. Every time we hear about Wilson, they mention he throws such a nice ball. Two games ago, MOS said it, and then complimented Streveler, talking about his one good pass.
We need either a VERY short leash on Streveler, or to give Wilson a start. We cannot rely on Vaval getting 2 TD's and Willie getting 4 pass knockdowns to be able to win a game any longer.
Teams can scheme against Streveler too, now, although its not hard. With no film on Wilson, that will be much harder.
Edm almost won with Ford being benched. They should have, but for a dropped ball.
I'd happily lose to Calgary if it mean we get a strong look at Wilson and what he can do with live reps against a quality team. Tossing him in in garbage time after we go down bigly is not the answer.
There will be no short leash with Strev imo. He can win now and that's why he is in. I am high on Wilson but we got time to develop him. I would like to see him get reps too but our club doesn't really do that. We play our starters late into games even when up 3 scores.
Tell me more about Powell kinda forgot about him.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 04, 2025, 09:02:28 PMThere will be no short leash with Strev imo. He can win now and that's why he is in. I am high on Wilson but we got time to develop him. I would like to see him get reps too but our club doesn't really do that. We play our starters late into games even when up 3 scores.
Tell me more about Powell kinda forgot about him.
That is a generous assessment of is play.
It is more of a "He plays just not bad enough to lose"
I loove Streveler, always have, he's a character and has his strengths when used appropriately. 2nd and short, step forward and then drop back and pass, its a free play, go for it. Make a SY first down and stay in with tempo against their jumbo and make a pass, great! But those are the ONLY times I want to see him throw the ball.
Sorry, but he still can't read a D, and fixates too much on his first read. I think the only reason he doesn't get picked more is because his throws often don't get to the spot he's throwing too.
Some say he has goofy throwing mechanics, but that is not the reason to curtail his throwing. The fact that his throws are only occasionally good is. And like a blind squirrel, he's going to find a nut occasionally.
You can't develop a QB on the sidelines. We saw Dru when Zach went down, and that meant he got picked up by Ott as a starter.
We need to get Wilson into live fire and either develop him, or move on. With Zach practicing now, the next time ZC8 comes out for any reason, Wilson needs to go in.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2025, 09:17:40 PMThat is a generous assessment of is play.
It is more of a "He plays just not bad enough to lose"
I loove Streveler, always have, he's a character and has his strengths when used appropriately. 2nd and short, step forward and then drop back and pass, its a free play, go for it. Make a SY first down and stay in with tempo against their jumbo and make a pass, great! But those are the ONLY times I want to see him throw the ball.
Sorry, but he still can't read a D, and fixates too much on his first read. I think the only reason he doesn't get picked more is because his throws often don't get to the spot he's throwing too.
Some say he has goofy throwing mechanics, but that is not the reason to curtail his throwing. The fact that his throws are only occasionally good is. And like a blind squirrel, he's going to find a nut occasionally.
You can't develop a QB on the sidelines. We saw Dru when Zach went down, and that meant he got picked up by Ott as a starter.
We need to get Wilson into live fire and either develop him, or move on. With Zach practicing now, the next time ZC8 comes out for any reason, Wilson needs to go in.
We ain't moving on from Wilson and we ain't going to drop Strev as our #2. Kinda like we were not going to sign Brown. There are ideal outcomes and then their is reality. Strev is what he is, your analysis isn't wrong but perhaps a little harsh. Helps us win as needed. His medium length passes are slightly improved this year. I want Wilson to play as well, never know what will happen later in the season but he will wait his turn and slowly develop the best he can at practice. Yes he needs reps and I want him to get them, will it happen, 10% chance imo
Disagree that Wilson goes in, he goes in if both are hurt, garbage time (maybe) or Strev throws 3 or 4 ducks.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2025, 09:17:40 PMThat is a generous assessment of is play.
It is more of a "He plays just not bad enough to lose"
I loove Streveler, always have, he's a character and has his strengths when used appropriately. 2nd and short, step forward and then drop back and pass, its a free play, go for it. Make a SY first down and stay in with tempo against their jumbo and make a pass, great! But those are the ONLY times I want to see him throw the ball.
Sorry, but he still can't read a D, and fixates too much on his first read. I think the only reason he doesn't get picked more is because his throws often don't get to the spot he's throwing too.
Some say he has goofy throwing mechanics, but that is not the reason to curtail his throwing. The fact that his throws are only occasionally good is. And like a blind squirrel, he's going to find a nut occasionally.
You can't develop a QB on the sidelines. We saw Dru when Zach went down, and that meant he got picked up by Ott as a starter.
We need to get Wilson into live fire and either develop him, or move on. With Zach practicing now, the next time ZC8 comes out for any reason, Wilson needs to go in.
Totally agree with your assessment, Strev is not the answer at #2. He did all he could to lose the game for us, despite outstanding ST and D TD's. Seen enough, move on, but MOS won't, he'll stick with him, hopefully, we don't get to see him play again. Agree also on Wilson, let's see what he can do if we're pressed into the situation
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 04, 2025, 11:53:07 PMWe ain't moving on from Wilson and we ain't going to drop Strev as our #2. Kinda like we were not going to sign Brown. There are ideal outcomes and then their is reality. Strev is what he is, your analysis isn't wrong but perhaps a little harsh. Helps us win as needed. His medium length passes are slightly improved this year. I want Wilson to play as well, never know what will happen later in the season but he will wait his turn and slowly develop the best he can at practice. Yes he needs reps and I want him to get them, will it happen, 10% chance imo
Disagree that Wilson goes in, he goes in if both are hurt, garbage time (maybe) or Strev throws 3 or 4 ducks.
It shouldn't be "or Strev throws 3 or 4 ducks", he already has, repeatedly.
If the D and ST hadn't scored more than half the points, we lose that game embarrassingly.
Streveler is on this team for his contract, if he is healthy, he's on the sidelines. I accept that. And he can be effective in the role he is qualified to play. Which is NOT #1 play caller.
But like Ford in Edm, you need to adjust the hierarchy of the QB room based on performance. Wilson needs to move ahead of Streveler. #1 if ZC8 is on the IR. #2 if Zach plays.
If we lose a game with CS17 under centre, its our own fault. And too late.
I'm not a huge Streveler fan. Love his heart, but he does not have the skill set to run an offense effectively.
However, I'm not convinced Wilson would be any better, in fact I suspect he would be worse.
Zach better get healthy and stay healthy.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2025, 05:22:30 PMThey should either be a proven QB that is trying to get back to QB1 status, or a future QB1. Case 1 costs $SMS, case 2 does not.
I want a case 2, we had it in Dru Brown
Ya, so does every team. A future star who is on ELC. Duh.
But those guys only roll around once every season or so! Who fit that bill at one time? Rourke in BC, Dru in WPG, Kelly in TOR, Alexander in MTL. That's the only ones in 5+ seasons.
The vast majority are Dom Davis or Caleb Evans.
So, unlikely, and we certainly can't count on it.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2025, 05:22:30 PMWe need either a VERY short leash on Streveler, or to give Wilson a start.
And when Wilson plays like that clown CGY started last week?? What then?
Wilson had his big chance to shine and be the next big thing when he had those 2 series in the GC. Blew 2 TD pass attempts, at least one of which would have been a TD if he had put more air on it. He does that, he likely stays in and we may win that cup.
I'd rather roll with .500-guaranteed Strev if no Zach. Wilson will just have to keep dev'ing, and he may never be anything other than a SYer.
OC is saying that third INT was underthrown. O'shea liked the play call, it was just executed incorrectly.
https://3downnation.com/2025/08/04/winnipeg-oc-jason-hogan-defends-play-call-blames-misplaced-throw-for-late-game-interception/