Huge game on Friday with, no doubt, implications on players going forward.
The injury list continues to be daunting with Collaros and Schoen still showing as "out". Chris Strevelor gets his second start and a total of 6 changes on offence and defence.
Game Preview is here...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/07/31/game-preview-tor-at-wpg/
Game 7: Argonauts (2-5) at Blue Bombers (3-3)
Kickoff: Friday, August 1st, 7:30 p.m. CDT; Princess Auto Stadium
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I'm intrigued to see how this lineup performs. Really wish we got to see Mitchell but if he's not in now then I think it's time to cut bait and try to bring someone else in. Parker at corner should be an improvement and definitely excited to see what Kramdi does at safety+ a full game of Griffin
SO MANY CHANGES.
And still no Mitchell, lol.
Three Canadian receivers, really?
Otherwise, looks good. Like getting Cooley back on the roster especially with Streveler running things and a Toronto defense that is terrible against the run.
Intrigued by the changes on D.
Offense looks weak on paper.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 31, 2025, 04:29:42 PMThree Canadian receivers, really?
Yeah, that Corcoran/Cobb spot should be Mitchell.
BUT, it's Streveler. So let's anticipate lots of running (Corcoran has some size to him, at least, for the blocking game).
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 31, 2025, 04:30:32 PMIntrigued by the changes on D.
Offense looks weak on paper.
Offense looks really weak! Having Streveler and 3 Canadian Receivers as your starters will not scare anyone. I still think the OL is weak.
Aha! I called Kramdi to Safety over a month ago! Make enough predictions and some come true! Maybe just a temp. move till Kelly gets back up to speed.
Don't get why they replaced Petersen with Cooley, long-term, he's a more valuable asset.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 04:39:06 PMAha! I called Kramdi to Safety over a month ago! Make enough predictions and some come true! Maybe just a temp. move till Kelly gets back up to speed.
Don't get why they replaced Petersen with Cooley, long-term, he's a more valuable asset.
I think they like Cooley and just found an opportunity to get him on the AR (Perhaps at the expense of Mitchell).
My tinfoil hat theory is we also need to prep for the possibility of Brady leaving. He does not have a contract for next year and I fully expect Hamilton to offer him something like 300+ if they get the chance.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 04:39:06 PMAha! I called Kramdi to Safety over a month ago! Make enough predictions and some come true! Maybe just a temp. move till Kelly gets back up to speed.
Don't get why they replaced Petersen with Cooley, long-term, he's a more valuable asset.
Good call!
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Mitchell moved to the PR with a "Free" sign pinned to his jersey.
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Rookie DB Derek Slywka out for Toronto Argonauts in rematch with Bombers
By 3Down Staff -July 31, 2025
One of the CFL's blossoming young stars will not take to the field for this week's rematch between the Toronto Argonauts and Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
Rookie American safety Derek Slywka has been placed on the one-game injured list with an ankle issue. The Ithaca College product arrived in training camp with the Argos as a receiver before converting back to defensive back partway through and has started the first seven games of the year. He has recorded 19 defensive tackles, two special teams tackles, one interception, and two forced fumbles, while taking one of those back for a defensive touchdown. He also returned a missed field goal for a touchdown in the same game.
Canadian defensive back Tyshon Blackburn will move from strong-side linebacker to safety to accommodate the injury. American Jarrett Martin comes off the practice roster and returns to his role at SAM, where he previously started four games.
In other moves, the team's first-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft, defensive end John Ojo, has also been one-gamed due to a hamstring issue. Canadian linebacker Jordan Herdman-Reed, who was signed this week, will dress to flesh out the ratio.
The Toronto Argonauts (2-5) will visit the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (3-3) at Princess Auto Stadium on Friday, August 1 with kickoff slated for 8:30 p.m. EDT. The two teams met at BMO Field this past week where Nick Arbuckle carved up Winnipeg's secondary for 316 yards and two touchdowns en route to a 31-17 win.
The weather forecast in Winnipeg calls for a high of 26 degrees and sunny conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on TSN 1050 in Toronto and 680 CJOB in Winnipeg.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/31/rookie-db-derek-slywka-out-for-toronto-argonauts-in-rematch-with-bombers/
How does Kornelson beat out Schmekel onto the AR but still gets bumped to PR while Schmekel is still on 1 game IR with no injury? Just curious about that.
D. Mitchell to PR. He's toast. Not sure why he isn't just released. 3 Canadian receivers? YIKES!
Changes at safety, CB and SAM along with J. Jones being added. That's a lot after a short week and 1 practice. I guess we'll see how this works out. I don't know that the depth chart will be factual but it might be.
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 04:32:39 PMYeah, that Corcoran/Cobb spot should be Mitchell.
BUT, it's Streveler. So let's anticipate lots of running (Corcoran has some size to him, at least, for the blocking game).
disagree, Mitchell is a WR, our combo of Canadians will be fine
Bomber brass don't want Mitchell in at slot
Very excited to see if Cobb can make a few plays
Yes not as deep at receiver as we should be but it's the best roster we can dress at the moment
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 04:39:06 PMAha! I called Kramdi to Safety over a month ago! Make enough predictions and some come true! Maybe just a temp. move till Kelly gets back up to speed.
Don't get why they replaced Petersen with Cooley, long-term, he's a more valuable asset.
Cooley gives a spark
Props to calling Kramdi at safety!
Quote from: BBRT on July 31, 2025, 04:35:23 PMOffense looks really weak! Having Streveler and 3 Canadian Receivers as your starters will not scare anyone. I still think the OL is weak.
Receivers are average at best, OL/QB my only big worry
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 04:44:34 PMI think they like Cooley and just found an opportunity to get him on the AR (Perhaps at the expense of Mitchell).
My tinfoil hat theory is we also need to prep for the possibility of Brady leaving. He does not have a contract for next year and I fully expect Hamilton to offer him something like 300+ if they get the chance.
crush that foil, Brady for life, but yes he will get a blank cheque
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 05:10:37 PMdisagree, Mitchell is a WR, our combo of Canadians will be fine
Bomber brass don't want Mitchell in at slot
Very excited to see if Cobb can make a few plays
Yes not as deep at receiver as we should be but it's the best roster we can dress at the moment
Cooley gives a spark
Props to calling Kramdi at safety!
It was suggested moving Wheatfall to SB and Mitchell to his spot. I guess we'll see how well Corcoran and Cobb do and whether it's on them or the QB.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 05:14:07 PMIt was suggested moving Wheatfall to SB and Mitchell to his spot. I guess we'll see how well Corcoran and Cobb do and whether it's on them or the QB.
I did not want Wheatie at SB. A big challenge for these two at slot. Need to a catch a few balls. Next man up tested on O big time!
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I might need to bring in less snack and more meds to calm the nerves LOL
you think someone tried to poach Cooley off the PR? is Cooley a way better blocker for max protection?
tough gig for Hogan - don't envy his position..Strev at qb doesn't scare too many people so it will have to be a very imaginative offense.
big test for the Bombers
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 05:15:56 PMI did not want Wheatie at SB. A big challenge for these two at slot. Need to a catch a few balls. Next man up tested on O big time!
I might need to bring in less snack and more meds to calm the nerves LOL
We can only judge the roster as decided. Whether the Wheatfall / Mitchell combo would have been better is debatable. I'd say the Case experiment was a failure before the injury occurred. Mitchell did play at slot at times in Edmonton so that was also an option.
2 catches out of 5 targets for 10 yards. One slip that led directly to a pick which brings us back to how much fault goes to Collaros for unfortunate footwear? I think he had a 2nd slip on one attempt?
Corcoran has 6 out of 6 for 36 yards. That includes 4 of 4 for 25 yards against the Argos. So maybe he does quite well. We'll see how much they rotate Corcoran and Cobb and compare post game. Cobb is 4" shorter and nearly 40 lbs lighter. That could be both good and bad depending on how he's used. Blocking assignments would be a concern.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2025, 05:34:29 PMyou think someone tried to poach Cooley off the PR? is Cooley a way better blocker for max protection?
tough gig for Hogan - don't envy his position..Strev at qb doesn't scare too many people so it will have to be a very imaginative offense.
big test for the Bombers
It was suggested that perhaps someone tried to poach Cooley but there is nothing to confirm that. If he stays on the AR for 3 games, that might confirm this move was needed. OTOH, they could have moved him to 1 game IR unless being poached.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 05:42:52 PMIt was suggested that perhaps someone tried to poach Cooley but there is nothing to confirm that. If he stays on the AR for 3 games, that might confirm this move was needed. OTOH, they could have moved him to 1 game IR unless being poached.
Don't think they could move him to the IR to protect, pretty sure it has to be AR.
To those defending Hogan, he hasn't done much this year worth defending. Jury is still out but right now, he has not been a good OC.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 05:49:49 PMDon't think they could move him to the IR to protect, pretty sure it has to be AR.
I know but we don't know why the decision was made. Realistically I don't think another team tried to poach him. Every team has their own depth including at RB. You'd think Peterson is at greater risk being poached since he's Canadain.
We'll see how he's used and whether he stays on the AR for an extended time. I'm thinking we might see a 3 man OL when Bryant returns but when he or Vanterpool can return is up in the air. Both are on the 1 game but clearly that can be 1 game or longer.
A stronger OL with Peterson as the back up RB would be my choice.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 05:14:07 PMIt was suggested moving Wheatfall to SB and Mitchell to his spot. I guess we'll see how well Corcoran and Cobb do and whether it's on them or the QB.
Wheatfall might not be able to handle a switch to SB well either, he struggled to get on the same page with Zach last season. For many of these football players the KISS principle applies.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 05:41:21 PMWe can only judge the roster as decided. Whether the Wheatfall / Mitchell combo would have been better is debatable. I'd say the Case experiment was a failure before the injury occurred. Mitchell did play at slot at times in Edmonton so that was also an option.
2 catches out of 5 targets for 10 yards. One slip that led directly to a pick which brings us back to how much fault goes to Collaros for unfortunate footwear? I think he had a 2nd slip on one attempt?
Corcoran has 6 out of 6 for 36 yards. That includes 4 of 4 for 25 yards against the Argos. So maybe he does quite well. We'll see how much they rotate Corcoran and Cobb and compare post game. Cobb is 4" shorter and nearly 40 lbs lighter. That could be both good and bad depending on how he's used. Blocking assignments would be a concern.
Good point about blocking. I think we needed a couple more games with Case to figure that part out. Yes didn't show well but can return so I would welcome him back next year. Cobb shows flashes, might be tough for him to make an impact quickly. Corcoran will develop more quickly with more reps. I am happy to develop our Canadian over playing Mitchell.
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 31, 2025, 05:55:02 PMTo those defending Hogan, he hasn't done much this year worth defending. Jury is still out but right now, he has not been a good OC.
Too early to make a judgement either way. We have had good moments and terrible ones, need more sample size. Also need patience with a new coach. My bet bumps along the road and worth the wait. Seen this story before.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 06:03:13 PMWheatfall might not be able to handle a switch to SB well either, he struggled to get on the same page with Zach last season. For many of these football players the KISS principle applies.
My point exactly. We made the best changes with the least amount of impact. You are seeing it exactly the way I do. Key is to get Wheatie cooking, hard to do when you change the recipe.
Winnipeg Blue Bombers bench DB Marquise Bridges, reshuffle secondary vs Argos
By 3Down Staff -July 31, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have made several changes ahead of their rematch with the Toronto Argonauts on Friday.
Defensively, the team has benched cornerback Marquise Bridges and sent him to the practice roster, reshuffling the secondary around him. Jamal Parker will move to the field-side, and Canadian Redha Kramdi takes over at safety, while Michael Griffin slots in at strong-side linebacker.
Through six games, Bridges had made 16 defensive tackles and two interceptions. He played eight games last season and finished with seven defensive tackles, as well as a forced fumble.
Dressing for depth for the first time this year are Canadian safety Jake Kelly and American linebacker Jonathan Jones, while Canadian defensive tackle Collin Kornelson goes to the practice squad.
Chris Streveler will make his second start of the season at quarterback, as Zach Collaros goes on the one-game injured list due to a neck issue that has knocked him out of the last two games. Rookie Chase Artopoeus will come off the practice roster to serve as the third-stringer behind Steveler and Terry Wilson.
Streveler led the team to a 34-20 win over the B.C. Lions in their season-opener while Collaros served a one-game suspension. The former NFL backup has thrown for 558 yards, five touchdowns, and three interceptions on the year, while rushing for 63 yards on the ground.
The new quarterback will get the benefit of upgraded protection, as veteran American offensive lineman Eric Lofton makes his season debut after a knee injury and slots in at left tackle. He replaces Micah Vanterpool, who heads to the one-game injured list with an ankle issue.
Rookie Canadian receiver Joey Corcoran will also make his debut in the starting lineup after American Kody Case was placed on the six-game injured list with a broken ankle. Fellow Canadian pass catcher Gavin Cobb will dress for depth at the position, while rookie Canadian running back Matthew Peterson was demoted to the practice roster. American ball carrier Quinton Cooley gets the chance in his place.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (3-3) will host the Toronto Argonauts (2-5) at Princess Auto Stadium on Friday, August 1 with kickoff slated for 8:30 p.m. EDT. The two teams met at BMO Field this past week where Nick Arbuckle carved up Winnipeg's secondary for 316 yards and two touchdowns en route to a 31-17 win.
The weather forecast in Winnipeg calls for a high of 26 degrees and sunny conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on TSN 1050 in Toronto and 680 CJOB in Winnipeg.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/31/winnipeg-blue-bombers-bench-db-marquise-bridges-reshuffle-secondary-vs-argos/
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 06:03:36 PMToo early to make a judgement either way. We have had good moments and terrible ones, need more sample size. Also need patience with a new coach. My bet bumps along the road and worth the wait. Seen this story before.
Good point about blocking. I think we needed a couple more games with Case to figure that part out. Yes didn't show well but can return so I would welcome him back next year. Cobb shows flashes, might be tough for him to make an impact quickly. Corcoran will develop more quickly with more reps. I am happy to develop our Canadian over playing Mitchell.
Next year Case would be going into year 3. Not many players survive past year 2 without making some progress. He had an opportunity but got injured and may not even be available for TC. There will be another 30 receivers looked at in tryout camps and during TC.
He'll be hard pressed to fight off that competition with 3 receptions for 15 yards in limited play. He probably is already 3 rd or 4 th on the depth chart as the returner.
Football is a tough business. Opportunity doesn't always come but when you get it, you need to hang tight. An injury never helps a short term player that hasn't been on the AR much. A broken ankle could even be potentially career ending. Sad but true
Just in that sense alone, I'd be stunned if he's back in 2026.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 06:10:24 PMNext year Case would be going into year 3. Not many players survive past year 2 without making some progress. He had an opportunity but got injured and may not even be available for TC. There will be another 30 receivers looked at in tryout camps and during TC.
He'll be hard pressed to fight off that competition with 3 receptions for 15 yards in limited play. He probably is already 3 rd or 4 th on the depth chart as the returner.
Football is a tough business. Opportunity doesn't always come but when you get it, you need to hang tight. An injury never helps a short term player that hasn't been on the AR much. A broken ankle could even be potentially career ending. Sad but true
Just in that sense alone, I'd be stunned if he's back in 2026.
Make a good point, sun could be set. I liked his speed and versatility. Likely victim of the numbers game / risk of coming off injury/ business nature of the sport etc.
His numbers don't make you want to bring him back but his potential does. Long shot to be sure. I would bring him into camp if 100% healthy and we are not that deep at slot of receiver. Time will tell. Feel for the guy. I didn't think we seen enough to make a final decision. I wanted a few more reps.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 06:13:54 PMMake a good point, sun could be set. I liked his speed and versatility. Likely victim of the numbers game / risk of coming off injury/ business nature of the sport etc.
His numbers don't make you want to bring him back but his potential does. Long shot to be sure. I would bring him into camp if 100% healthy and we are not that deep at slot of receiver. Time will tell. Feel for the guy. I didn't think we seen enough to make a final decision. I wanted a few more reps.
TC roster size is limited and each player has to assess his chance of succeeding. I expect Wilson to be back this year but can we extend him into 2026? Do we sign another SB with CFL history and success?
Another question will be about Schoen. Was injury to the same knee? Will he be back in 2025 and how does he perform?
It's kind of like the question about Case. How high is the risk or re-injury and how high is the ceiling? If Schoen is healthy it's a risk assessment again. For 2025 they guessed wrong as it turns out. Just on the surface I wouldn't expect him back especially if we land Wilson to a new deal in 2026.
As you can see there are always moving parts and questions. As posters we don't really know the extent of any players injury. Case and or Schoen could be finished for the season or they could be back after a 6 game IR stint.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 06:10:24 PMNext year Case would be going into year 3. Not many players survive past year 2 without making some progress. He had an opportunity but got injured and may not even be available for TC. There will be another 30 receivers looked at in tryout camps and during TC.
He'll be hard pressed to fight off that competition with 3 receptions for 15 yards in limited play. He probably is already 3 rd or 4 th on the depth chart as the returner.
Football is a tough business. Opportunity doesn't always come but when you get it, you need to hang tight. An injury never helps a short term player that hasn't been on the AR much. A broken ankle could even be potentially career ending. Sad but true
Just in that sense alone, I'd be stunned if he's back in 2026.
I think it's up to Case, if he wants to rehab and try again the Bombers probably leave the door open as a courtesy to do so. It doesn't usually work out but I believe this is the approach they've taken with long-term injured players in the past.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 06:39:14 PMI think it's up to Case, if he wants to rehab and try again the Bombers probably leave the door open as a courtesy to do so. It doesn't usually work out but I believe this is the approach they've taken with long-term injured players in the past.
Bighill and Alexander might disagree. Obviously more significant long term players in Winnipeg. Noah Hallett might be more representative but he made an impact on ST's when he played.
Leaving the door open policy might apply to players that have been on the AR for more than 5 games over 24 games ( 2024 / 2025 ).
I mentioned I'm not even sure Schoen will get a new contract after 2 years of knee injuries.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 06:39:14 PMI think it's up to Case, if he wants to rehab and try again the Bombers probably leave the door open as a courtesy to do so. It doesn't usually work out but I believe this is the approach they've taken with long-term injured players in the past.
I d like to think/hope we upgrade our receivers next year and this is a moot point.
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 04:28:38 PMSO MANY CHANGES.
And still no Mitchell, lol.
lol exactly. Why is this guy still around here! The Club is puzzling at best.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 05:01:44 PMHow does Kornelson beat out Schmekel onto the AR but still gets bumped to PR while Schmekel is still on 1 game IR with no injury? Just curious about that.
D. Mitchell to PR. He's toast. Not sure why he isn't just released. 3 Canadian receivers? YIKES!
Changes at safety, CB and SAM along with J. Jones being added. That's a lot after a short week and 1 practice. I guess we'll see how this works out. I don't know that the depth chart will be factual but it might be.
Toronto will be stacking the box on the reg. Strev better be ready to throw often enough.
Still though. RUN. THE. BALL.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 31, 2025, 06:56:40 PMlol exactly. Why is this guy still around here! The Club is puzzling at best.
Puzzling doesn't begin to describe it!
We re in the worst tailspin since MOS became coach, and our prized FA receiver signing isn't worthy of putting into our putrid, feeble offense?!? That pretty much sums up our current state of affairs. Next up, the announcement that Max Hall as our Qb!!
So mitchell was brought in only to play wr?
Feels like we are trying to stack the defense cause we know offensively we will be in tough.
To me Having Kornelson and Smeckle on the roster at all is an indicator of how weak our cdn depth is so not disappointed that neither is on game day roster. Woods cant get healthy soon enough.
I do like Parker at corner Hopefully Kramdl has the speed to be effective at safety, if not, its good to have Kelly and Hallet available. We'll still be better than having bridges in On a side note and its not surprising but we have the fewest dbs 6 ft and over (1) Griffin:-*
Quote from: Pete on July 31, 2025, 07:12:13 PMSo mitchell was brought in only to play wr?
Feels like we are trying to stack the defense cause we know offensively we will be in tough.
To me Having Kornelson and Smeckle on the roster at all is an indicator of how weak our cdn depth is so not disappointed that neither is on game day roster. Woods cant get healthy soon enough.
I do like Parker at corner Hopefully Kramdl has the speed to be effective at safety, if not, its good to have Kelly and Hallet available. We'll still be better than having bridges in On a side note and its not surprising but we have the fewest dbs 6 ft and over (1) Griffin:-*
I m not buying this malarkey one bit. The guys an athlete, arguably better than the ones you have on the field. It only make sense you get him on the field, but we don't. Fine, then continue to lose a sense the IMP receivers we have on the field ain't getting it done, nor will they
I think the Bombers will do what they've been doing in the past when everyone doubts them...
Which is win.
Quote from: markf on July 31, 2025, 07:51:17 PMI think the Bombers will do what they've been doing in the past when everyone doubts them...
Which is win.
I'm honestly not really concerned yet; tomorrow notwithstanding. But if Stan and Zach are healthy in the second half of the season and maybe Pokey comes back, we got ourselves a stew goin'!
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 07:54:05 PMI'm honestly not really concerned yet; tomorrow notwithstanding. But if Stan and Zach are healthy in the second half of the season and maybe Pokey comes back, we got ourselves a stew goin'!
And hopefully a fully healed Schoen!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 31, 2025, 07:58:13 PMAnd hopefully a fully healed Schoen!
I'm not holding out hopes for that, unfortunately. Even before the injury we weren't seeing the old Schoen.
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 08:00:03 PMI'm not holding out hopes for that, unfortunately. Even before the injury we weren't seeing the old Schoen.
Agreed. As much as we want to see it, it's a long shot at best, #1 that he can come back after this injury and #2, regain his old form as he hasn't regained it for over a year. High priced and often injured, not a great combo
Quote from: dd on July 31, 2025, 08:05:50 PMAgreed. As much as we want to see it, it's a long shot at best, #1 that he can come back after this injury and #2, regain his old form as he hasn't regained it for over a year. High priced and often injured, not a get combo
Probably true but he also only had 4 games to regain form after a long time off. That's a lot to ask for. At this point we don't know if it's the same knee or whether he tore some ligaments or suffered a sprain.
While I don't expect him back in 2025, I could be incorrect and he returns after his 6 game stint or shortly after for the last 1/3 of the season.
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Well, we knew changes were coming. Jones, Cooley in the line up, like both of these moves.
Kramdi to safety, Griffin starting at SLB, and Parker to CB, I think our D just got a little better.
Yikes. AR looks so bad on paper.
But, that's why we play the games. Maybe Strev/Brady/Cooley run all over them and Wheatie and Demski grab a few long bombs, and then our changes to D force the journeyman Arcuckle to short, pointless drives most of the time.
Stranger things have happened, and I'm remaining hopeful, but another big loss at home to the Argos will send the fanbase into a tailspin. Not something any of us want to see.
Quote from: dd on July 31, 2025, 07:38:09 PMI m not buying this malarkey one bit. The guys an athlete, arguably better than the ones you have on the field. It only make sense you get him on the field, but we don't. Fine, then continue to lose a sense the IMP receivers we have on the field ain't getting it done, nor will they
I can understand why they might not want to move Wheatfall to slot but I don't get the reluctance to move Clercius inside to slot. I'd like to see Mitchell opposite Wheatfall working together as WR's before the end of this season, that could be a deadly combination with Demski working the middle.
So... is the game even going to be played ?
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 31, 2025, 09:49:27 PMSo... is the game even going to be played ?
Good question, looks like unhealthy air quality all day, and not getting any better in the evening.
When I checked yesterday it showed that the smoke will linger tomorrow during the day but should start to dissipate in the evening.If that is the case the game should go on.
Quote from: blue_or_die on July 31, 2025, 09:02:34 PMYikes. AR looks so bad on paper.
But, that's why we play the games. Maybe Strev/Brady/Cooley run all over them and Wheatie and Demski grab a few long bombs, and then our changes to D force the journeyman Arcuckle to short, pointless drives most of the time.
Stranger things have happened, and I'm remaining hopeful, but another big loss at home to the Argos will send the fanbase into a tailspin. Not something any of us want to see.
I'm actually optimistic that this version of the defence is not going to have the breakdowns that we've been seeing so far this season.
And one thing we've seen when Streveler starts is big games from Brady. The threat of Strev going the other way seems to create extra space. If we play a ball-control style of offence that kills the clock and the defence holds together, things might turn out ok.
Quote from: bwiser on July 31, 2025, 10:09:29 PMWhen I checked yesterday it showed that the smoke will linger tomorrow during the day but should start to dissipate in the evening.If that is the case the game should go on.
hope you are right - otherwise saturday could be a triple header with our game as early as noon. i think they will call the game earlier than they did in Saskatchewan
On paper the group on offence looks the weakest of any group so far this year. Lofton and Cobb yet to play this year. Cooley on for his 3rd game? Corcoran just starting to get some reps.
I'm not sure how they intend to use Cooley so that's a TBD. Oliveria can get 30 carries in a game so in that sense we don't need Cooley over Peterson. OTOH are they using him as a receiver at times?
Will the OL hold up or is Streveler under fire on every pass play?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 04:54:00 PMMitchell moved to the PR with a "Free" sign pinned to his jersey.
Nah, use him as trade bait. We could certainly use help in other places.
We all know there are always teams who will take headcases and non-FIFOs. People still remember the kids' rookie talent. So sell it!
I would like to see us get a lead on the strength of the run, get Brady 100 yards and then grind em with Cooley in the 4th
OL is key, time to step up big boys
Strev needs to bring em a snack pregame ;)
If I'm Toronto, I'm stacking the box to take away the run game and force Streveler to beat them with this arm. I would also play press coverage, and force us to beat them deep, since I'm not convinced we have the receivers or QB arm to make that much of a threat. If we win this game, IMO it will be on the backs of our defense.
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 04:44:34 PMMy tinfoil hat theory is we also need to prep for the possibility of Brady leaving. He does not have a contract for next year and I fully expect Hamilton to offer him something like 300+ if they get the chance.
I'm not being mean or heartless, as I love the guy, I've just seen it too much in my personal life: Ted will be dead within 0-2 years and he'll be in no shape to work his HAM job very shortly, if not already. I've lost 3 close family/friends to the
turbo prostate cancer in the last 3 years. And there is no beating it once it's all over your bones. If you know, you know.
As such, the love-fest for ex-Bombers and Bomber-sniping will fade. The next GM won't have any synergy with WPG players. He won't care. So I wouldn't be worried about anyone going out of their way because they are WPG homers to pay Brady more than is reasonable.
(Plus, have you seen how Brady hasn't done squat since (and including) the GC?)
Plus, BLM will be demanding $600-$800k next season. Kenny will still need his $300k. Other units will need money, especially that D.
The only reason it looks like HAM can do moves like this is that HAM is one of the few teams that has spent their $400k SMS bonus. Remember, KW hasn't spent a dime of it yet. We may have $400k to spend before '25 is done (i.e. early extensions), AND the extra $400k next year.
I really don't see Brady ever leaving, because WM will force him to be paid until he starts to suck.
Quote from: BBRT on July 31, 2025, 04:35:23 PMOffense looks really weak! Having Streveler and 3 Canadian Receivers as your starters will not scare anyone. I still think the OL is weak.
We dodged a major bullet with Lofton coming back. Though I'm not sure he's ever played RT, so he may be no better than Vanterpool.
Can you imagine our line up with Lofton still out and Vant leaving to IR? Holy Moses. Whatever line you can draw on paper oof looks baaad.
It's funny that with Vant getting nicked Lofton is suddenly magically better. "We hold them out until they are ready, nothing else matters". Ya... right, just
lucky he's ready this week, but not last...
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 31, 2025, 04:29:42 PMThree Canadian receivers, really?
I'm keen to see Corcoran start. I think all of these 2nd team guys might have better rapport/synergy with Strev.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 12:14:28 AMI'm keen to see Corcoran start. I think all of these 2nd team guys might have better rapport/synergy with Strev.
This is a really interesting point - I wonder how much that could play into receivers being more experienced with the second string (timing, and everything else) and not necessarily practicing with Zach as much.
Ironic really, this is the best defense we've fielded this year and the worst offense. They say defense wins games so hopefully they can prove it
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 05:10:37 PMdisagree, Mitchell is a WR, our combo of Canadians will be fine
Bomber brass don't want Mitchell in at slot
Very excited to see if Cobb can make a few plays
Yes not as deep at receiver as we should be but it's the best roster we can dress at the moment
Cooley gives a spark
Props to calling Kramdi at safety!
Receivers are average at best, OL/QB my only big worry
crush that foil, Brady for life, but yes he will get a blank cheque
If Dillon Mitchell is a WR and the Bombers value players that can play muliple positions then why did they sign him. After looking the the Depth charts I don't hold much hope for the Bombers. I hope I am wrong.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 11:59:35 PMNah, use him as trade bait. We could certainly use help in other places.
We all know there are always teams who will take headcases and non-FIFOs. People still remember the kids' rookie talent. So sell it!
If you can't start with the Current Bombers Receivers why would any Team what him unless the Bombers Coaches have lost thier minds.
That Mitchell signing is a real head scratcher. He got a bonus usually reserved for relatively sought after and talented receivers, but can only apparently play one position, where we already had a decent and cheap option in Wheatfall. Big fail on Walter's part, Hervey must be having a chuckle over it.
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 31, 2025, 05:55:02 PMTo those defending Hogan, he hasn't done much this year worth defending. Jury is still out but right now, he has not been a good OC.
I won't be supprised if Jackson takes over at some point he took over in Edm and did a great job as Hc no reason he can't take over as OC
some thoughts from the Bombers on Mitchell:
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/the-curious-case-of-blue-bombers-receiver-dillon-mitchell
i guess if Wheatfall is healthy and producing that is who will play in that one position Mitchell was signed for..and MOS doesn't care about bonuses and pay, that tracks with his mindset.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 06:39:14 PMI think it's up to Case, if he wants to rehab and try again the Bombers probably leave the door open as a courtesy to do so. It doesn't usually work out but I believe this is the approach they've taken with long-term injured players in the past.
I don't expect Case to do much in the future, while its possible that a player with a below average college career can succeed in the CFL its still not likely. Just because he is fast doesn't mean he is good https://goyotes.com/sports/football/roster/kody-case/11263
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:12:41 AMIf Dillon Mitchell is a WR and the Bombers value players that can play muliple positions then why did they sign him. After looking the the Depth charts I don't hold much hope for the Bombers. I hope I am wrong.
They made a mistake
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:32:32 AMI won't be supprised if Jackson takes over at some point he took over in Edm and did a great job as Hc no reason he can't take over as OC
I'll take bets that won't happen
2 to 1 odds
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 01:47:56 AMThey made a mistake
I'll take bets that won't happen
2 to 1 odds
Agreed but who made the Mistake the GM or the Coaches...
If O'Shea is still the coach they yes I agreed you are are correct but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:53:04 AMAgreed but who made the Mistake the GM or the Coaches...
If O'Shea is still the coach they yes I agreed you are are correct but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen
I'm with MOS on this one, regardless of the outcome this season you stick with your guns
Major reason why is you have Jackson to help
Nothing would be gained from a change in season on this one imo
I personally would give him 2 years
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:32:32 AMI won't be supprised if Jackson takes over at some point he took over in Edm and did a great job as Hc no reason he can't take over as OC
I think this is a bit premature to be honest. I mean sure - one can make random predictions that no one will remember, and if one of them happens to come true you can claim the prediction early.
I'll play - I won't be surprised if Wilson gets in and lights up the league, and we win a Grey Cup on his performance.
Now feel free to ignore that unless it actually happens - then I have documented it here first!
(I'm just being a smart-a** - I'm not really equating my wild prediction to yours BBFANDM - just having a bit of fun).
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 01:56:26 AMI'm with MOS on this one, regardless of the outcome this season you stick with your guns
Major reason why is you have Jackson to help
Nothing would be gained from a change in season on this one imo
I personally would give him 2 years
Sorry who would you give 2 years ? O'Shea isn't signed for next year as far as I know.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 01:58:20 AMI think this is a bit premature to be honest. I mean sure - one can make random predictions that no one will remember, and if one of them happens to come true you can claim the prediction early.
I'll play - I won't be surprised if Wilson gets in and lights up the league, and we win a Grey Cup on his performance.
Now feel free to ignore that unless it actually happens - then I have documented it here first!
(I'm just being a smart-a** - I'm not really equating my wild prediction to yours BBFANDM - just having a bit of fun).
I am not saying it will happen and I am not suggesting its his Hogan's fault he inherited a declining QB and Oline not to mention Receiver issues. I am just suggesting that he might be part of the problem we don't really know at this point because the Team is a bit of a mess. And Jackson has a much longer history in the League as a player and as a coach.
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 02:01:06 AMI am not saying it will happen and I am not suggesting its his Hogan's fault he inherited a declining QB and Oline not to mention Receiver issues. I am just suggesting that he might be part of the problem we don't really know at this point because the Team is a bit of a mess. And Jackson has a much longer history in the League as a player and as a coach.
Yes, very fair point - he may well be part of the problem, we don't know yet. Osh has a pretty decent history of having good coordinators and trusting them, but it doesn't mean he's batting a thousand at that, or infallible.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 05:01:44 PMChanges at safety, CB and SAM along with J. Jones being added. That's a lot after a short week and 1 practice. I guess we'll see how this works out. I don't know that the depth chart will be factual but it might be.
It's an unofficial "shake up", that's what it is. There's been a horrible lack of focus and discipline and general crap play by the whole team. This is MOS's version of "there will be consequences" -- at least for now.
Most teams are clicking and moving along and being competitive and having good drives and making good picks. We're not. We've been moving backwards for 3 games, and getting worse every time.
You have to stop the bleeding before you can get better.
I'll take any shakeup MOS wants to do right now. A virtual slap across the face is what every player needs right now.
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:58:51 AMSorry who would you give 2 years ? O'Shea isn't signed for next year as far as I know.
Hogan
Quote from: bunker on August 01, 2025, 01:19:53 AMThat Mitchell signing is a real head scratcher. He got a bonus usually reserved for relatively sought after and talented receivers, but can only apparently play one position, where we already had a decent and cheap option in Wheatfall. Big fail on Walter's part, Hervey must be having a chuckle over it.
Many fails this year from both Walters and O'Shea. It was a good run, unfortunately it's over. Unlike last year's slow start, there are just too many holes in this year's lineup. Complete disappointment for a GC year.
Quote from: DM83 on August 01, 2025, 04:27:26 AMWhat's with this Mitchell guy? Did he ever start for nobody? Edmonton. Why isn't he on the active roster? This just drags the team down. Does the guy have some sort of disability? A. Broken leg.
;D ;D Between-the-ears-osis? :o :o :o 8)
If they feel that putting in Mitchell is a worse option than Corcoran and Cobbs at slot putting in Cooley/Jones its likely smart.
The big miss then is the lack of options we had at reciever
Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:12:41 AMIf Dillon Mitchell is a WR and the Bombers value players that can play muliple positions then why did they sign him.
Because we knew Kenny was leaving, and Pokey wasn't going to be back until Sept (if ever).
Mitchell is a reflex signing to get Dollar Store Kenny. That's it. That's all. And if D.Mitchell could play like his first 2 years, right out of the gate for us? That would have been a home run with low cost.
"But we had Wheatie!". Wheatie was pretty useless last season and into the playoffs. I'm pretty sure in FA Mafia thought Wheatie was going to be cut after TC. But then Wheatie came and showed improvement and effort, and Mitchell showed sewage.
And so here we are. Wheatie had 1 good game and has fallen back to '24 norms. We have no Kenny replacement. Now Schoen is dinged. And we suck.
Quote from: markf on July 31, 2025, 07:51:17 PMI think the Bombers will do what they've been doing in the past when everyone doubts them...
Which is win.
I full agree. But it won't be overnight. Still too many broken and missing pieces.
I think the best we can hope for is improvement. Maybe steady improvement over the next 3 games. Even if we lose them all. That would get me hopeful again.
And if we do luck into a 3-pt win against a garbage ailing TOR team on Fri, I won't say "all clear" yet. That will just be a W against a worst-3 team.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 05:49:49 PMDon't think they could move him to the IR to protect, pretty sure it has to be AR.
Never heard of that. That would be weird. What if you had a dude on PR, another team says they want him the same day the dude sprains his ankle in practice. You can't put him on AR, obviously.
You can't punish a legit possibility, even if it looks shady because it can be abused.
Our D can have a legit chance if our coaches/coords would for once look at precisely what the opponent QB/OC is doing and do special things specifically to take advantage of those things!
Remember like 2-3 seasons ago when T.Harris was ripping up the league with his short game and everyone said it was unstoppable because there was no time to pass rush, and no way to cover all 5 RECs?
Hall found the secret and we eviscerated SSK that year. I think we started their annual tailspin that season.
Ya, so Arbuckle sits back there and looks cold and calculated picking us apart with short/mid passes with impunity. Converting every 2nd & 18.
So let's focus on him & the OC and counter the specific things they are trying to do! Which shouldn't be hard, because every pundit in the world says Dinwiddie simplifies the book for mid-talent Arbuckle. They don't run that many plays!
"But we do that already!". Nah, I don't think we've done that for a while. "We'll just play Bomber ball" "we don't care who the QB is" is the usual answer. (Worked great in the GC, eh?)
ESPECIALLY when we don't have the horses at the moment, you need to out-brain. Our brains have been switched off for 3 games. Heck, TOR is the perfect example! They have worse talent suckage than we do, bad QB, bad everything, yet they clobbered us because they are probably the highest brains in the league at this moment.
not looking great for the game to happen tonight:
Friday10+ Very High Risk
Friday night9 - High Risk
Saturday7 - High Risk
we could be playing on Sunday
Quote from: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 10:16:37 AMnot looking great for the game to happen tonight:
Friday10+ Very High Risk
Friday night9 - High Risk
Saturday7 - High Risk
we could be playing on Sunday
WTH!
This would completely suck.
Seems completely fine outside this morning. It would be ridiculous to cancel a game if the weather conditions were the same they are now!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 01, 2025, 10:48:24 AMSeems completely fine outside this morning. It would be ridiculous to cancel a game if the weather conditions were the same they are now!
Ya we're very used to being outside when it's around 80-130, like right now. That's like "normal" now.
My smoke modeling site shows both Fri and Sat being 100-200 daytime but there MAY be pockets of under 100 after 7pm, especially after 8pm. Under 80 though? Who knows.
Unlike Regina, these pockets are forecast to hover and shrink/grow, not blow away east or something. That presents the interesting possibility of the game starting then stopping then starting then stopping... It depends how anal they want to be about that 80 rule.
Clearly these new smoke rules will have to be examined either mid-season or in the off-season. If even 2-4 games are delayed, next-day delayed, or cancelled, it's a major disaster for the hosting team, and the whole league. And even the Mega Important gambling markets are affected (bets are cancelled and how many people don't bother re-making them?).
80 is asinine and a number they pulled out their butt. I'm sure every single player who sat around in Regina (and probably tonight's game) will agree that if it's 90 that's perfectly fine, even 100. Heck, like Goldie said, most non-compromised people don't notice anything under 120.
I applaud the sentiment, but screw over another few games and every single stakeholder will be screaming. I can't think of a single party that will want to keep this rule as-is.
P.S. We don't face TOR again, so a complete cancellation presents a disaster for any "make-up" scenario. Even worse that this is a E/W matchup.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 08:07:10 AMOur D can have a legit chance if our coaches/coords would for once look at precisely what the opponent QB/OC is doing and do special things specifically to take advantage of those things!
Remember like 2-3 seasons ago when T.Harris was ripping up the league with his short game and everyone said it was unstoppable because there was no time to pass rush, and no way to cover all 5 RECs?
Hall found the secret and we eviscerated SSK that year. I think we started their annual tailspin that season.
Ya, so Arbuckle sits back there and looks cold and calculated picking us apart with short/mid passes with impunity. Converting every 2nd & 18.
So let's focus on him & the OC and counter the specific things they are trying to do! Which shouldn't be hard, because every pundit in the world says Dinwiddie simplifies the book for mid-talent Arbuckle. They don't run that many plays!
"But we do that already!". Nah, I don't think we've done that for a while. "We'll just play Bomber ball" "we don't care who the QB is" is the usual answer. (Worked great in the GC, eh?)
ESPECIALLY when we don't have the horses at the moment, you need to out-brain. Our brains have been switched off for 3 games. Heck, TOR is the perfect example! They have worse talent suckage than we do, bad QB, bad everything, yet they clobbered us because they are probably the highest brains in the league at this moment.
I'm going to guess that identifying the game plan is usually way above our viewing level as fans.
If you want to take MOS at face value (which doesn't always hold up, of course), they do make a specific plan for each team they are playing. This was said last week.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 10:16:37 AMnot looking great for the game to happen tonight:
Friday10+ Very High Risk
Friday night9 - High Risk
Saturday7 - High Risk
we could be playing on Sunday
I'm showing a projected AQI of 71 at 7:30pm tonight. There's a chance that it could change, but I'd count on the game being played as scheduled!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 07:58:01 AMI full agree. But it won't be overnight. Still too many broken and missing pieces.
I think the best we can hope for is improvement. Maybe steady improvement over the next 3 games. Even if we lose them all. That would get me hopeful again.
And if we do luck into a 3-pt win against a garbage ailing TOR team on Fri, I won't say "all clear" yet. That will just be a W against a worst-3 team.
Definitely agree with too many broken pieces. On another note I spoke with my friend who is a CFL official and got the answer to our debate. You are correct sir, and I am incorrect though I was very close to the proper rule. So the rule is this, the Hoggies are allowed to be downfield on a forward pass so long as they are not interfering or engaged with any member of the defense up until the ball is caught or deflected. At that point they can engage/block etc. it looks like I am owing you $100, PM me and we'll make arrangements to get it to you (e-transfer or meet up at a game?). I have seasons but will not be at today's game. Let me know, and onto the next debate!
I am getting temp 27, wind at 8 km, AQI 167 for kick off.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 01, 2025, 01:16:41 PMI am getting temp 27, wind at 8 km, AQI 167 for kick off.
What was your source? I normally go off this: https://www.iqair.com/ca/canada/manitoba/winnipeg?srsltid=AfmBOoridGmuJtLKMQXewaZJXDbCBvcU3__uRvfs6wuklw6sscRCk_nT
Quote from: LXTSN on August 01, 2025, 01:23:01 PMWhat was your source? I normally go off this: https://www.iqair.com/ca/canada/manitoba/winnipeg?srsltid=AfmBOoridGmuJtLKMQXewaZJXDbCBvcU3__uRvfs6wuklw6sscRCk_nT
Mind you it climbed up to 81 since the last time I checked... Maybe it's not looking good...
just went for a 40 minute walk outside and if an overweight 50+ year old can be outside so can a fit 20 year old.
play the game ;)
of course i am joking. will be disappointed if the game doesn't go because i look forward to every home game but understand player safety.
Looks better later. Solution. Play at 9. Reduce beers to $5.00. Open gates early. Spend 7 hours at the stadium. ;D
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 01, 2025, 01:50:18 PMLooks better later. Solution. Play at 9. Reduce beers to $5.00. Open gates early. Spend 7 hours at the stadium. ;D
You hear that, Wade?
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Need a strong performance and a win tonight.
On paper the moves on defence seem to make sense. How it actually works out is a TBD in both short and long term. A short practice week and the ability to communicate with changes at safety, CB and SAM may result in blown assignments. Again. That said, we were already suffering that problem.
I'm happy to see Griffin in as a full time starter. J. Jones will have to take up his previous role and make an equivalent impression as the rotation DB/LB/back up SAM. J. Jones has played well on ST's. Whether he does that for the Bombers IDK or if he does, who he replaces on teams?
I think I'm more worried about the offence. Mostly because I have no idea what / how they plan around the forced changes due to injury.
Really curious to see how they use Cooley.
I am thinking it will be delayed or cancelled hope I am wrong
Air quality forecasts were better yesterday
Revised higher today
The site I use doesn't show much of a clear, a small improvement later in evening
Really annoying as I had a full day planned in the city and then the game, can't decide what to do now, live out of town....
anyone know the aqi threshold the league uses?
What's the max delay time? 2 or 3 hours?
I know the one scale they use is 8 or lower and forecast to be an 11
definitely tricky for the out of town fans..i would still plan on attending the game and going from there. delays are a possibility
latest bomber statement:
https://x.com/wpg_bluebombers/status/1951305841694429674?s=46&t=8CnDJGqaCBCZBxQBGwVX4Q
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 03:44:51 PMI am thinking it will be delayed or cancelled hope I am wrong
Air quality forecasts were better yesterday
Revised higher today
The site I use doesn't show much of a clear, a small improvement later in evening
Really annoying as I had a full day planned in the city and then the game, can't decide what to do now, live out of town....
anyone know the aqi threshold the league uses?
What's the max delay time? 2 or 3 hours?
I know the one scale they use is 8 or lower and forecast to be an 11
i think the "8" is the scale they use. i don't think there is a set limit on the time but they got some good feedback from Sask situation.
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Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 03:44:51 PMI am thinking it will be delayed or cancelled hope I am wrong
Air quality forecasts were better yesterday
Revised higher today
The site I use doesn't show much of a clear, a small improvement later in evening
Really annoying as I had a full day planned in the city and then the game, can't decide what to do now, live out of town....
anyone know the aqi threshold the league uses?
What's the max delay time? 2 or 3 hours?
I know the one scale they use is 8 or lower and forecast to be an 11
It can be delayed until tomorrow or made up at some other time in the future. That's tough to do and has implications that come into play. IE: the team ready to play today is not necessarily the team ready to play in a month for example. That happened after 9/11.
A game can't be cancelled outright if that was what you were thinking. Revenue from tickets, players salaries and standings are all part of the equation.
The bad air quality does seem to suggest there is a good chance the game is delayed until tomorrow.[/quote]
The AQHI (per IQAir*) shows improvements later this afternoon into the evening: https://www.iqair.com/canada/manitoba/winnipeg
Whether or not those improvements meet the threshold for the CFL to permit the game to start on schedule remains to be seen.
* great app, BTW
11:10am it is absolutely beautiful. This is awesome weather!
Game on here. ::)
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 01, 2025, 03:59:52 PM[
It can be delayed until tomorrow or made up at some other time in the future. That's tough to do and has implications that come into play. IE: the team ready to play today is not necessarily the team ready to play in a month for example. That happened after 9/11.
A game can't be cancelled outright if that was what you were thinking. Revenue from tickets, players salaries and standings are all part of the equation.
The bad air quality does seem to suggest there is a good chance the game is delayed until tomorrow.
Yeah my wording was wrong I meant cancelled for tonight or delayed tonight
Not worried about the game not happening
I'll have to bite the bullet and hope it happens if not a lot of extra travel for me
Was in car accident so travel in the car is not fun
You are right looks bad at the moment
Interesting that different sites show different projections but it's all based on models
Thanks to those providing the site!
The CFL and Winnipeg Football Club are actively monitoring air quality conditions for tonight's game.
The game remains scheduled to begin at 7:30 p.m. Our meteorologist expects air quality to improve throughout the day.
All CFL stadiums, including Princess Auto Stadium, are equipped with real-time air quality monitoring systems. We'll continue to track conditions closely and provide an update this afternoon.
Thank you for your understanding as we prioritize the health and safety of players, staff, and fans.
Go Bombers,
Wade Miller
President and CEO
Quote from: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 03:56:12 PMi think the "8" is the scale they use. i don't think there is a set limit on the time but they got some good feedback from Sask situation.
I'd think they'd make the decision much earlier before people head to the stadium to avoid the disaster that happened in Sask. Being indecisive is the worst approach.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 04:11:39 PMYeah my wording was wrong I meant cancelled for tonight or delayed tonight
Not worried about the game not happening
I'll have to bite the bullet and hope it happens if not a lot of extra travel for me
Was in car accident so travel in the car is not fun
You are right looks bad at the moment
Interesting that different sites show different projections but it's all based on models
Thanks to those providing the site!
The CFL and Winnipeg Football Club are actively monitoring air quality conditions for tonight's game.
The game remains scheduled to begin at 7:30 p.m. Our meteorologist expects air quality to improve throughout the day.
All CFL stadiums, including Princess Auto Stadium, are equipped with real-time air quality monitoring systems. We'll continue to track conditions closely and provide an update this afternoon.
Thank you for your understanding as we prioritize the health and safety of players, staff, and fans.
Go Bombers,
Wade Miller
President and CEO
Re-scheduling a game is problematic for many fans that travel from out of town and may not be able to reschedule their weekend.
Aside from possible refund of some tickets, it may reduce the size of the audience at the stadium. The team needs that full house to cause the Argos to take some time count of offside penalties.
Sorry to hear you had a car accident. Recover soon.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 01, 2025, 04:38:48 PMRe-scheduling a game is problematic for many fans that travel from out of town and may not be able to reschedule their weekend.
Aside from possible refund of some tickets, it may reduce the size of the audience at the stadium. The team needs that full house to cause the Argos to take some time count of offside penalties.
Sorry to hear you had a car accident. Recover soon.
It doesn't matter if it's problematic or not, they gotta do what they gotta do.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 01, 2025, 04:38:48 PMRe-scheduling a game is problematic for many fans that travel from out of town and may not be able to reschedule their weekend.
Aside from possible refund of some tickets, it may reduce the size of the audience at the stadium. The team needs that full house to cause the Argos to take some time count of offside penalties.
Sorry to hear you had a car accident. Recover soon.
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Hit and run??? Could have been anyone! ;D
Quote from: Jesse on August 01, 2025, 04:39:55 PMIt doesn't matter if it's problematic or not, they gotta do what they gotta do.
I didn't say they wouldn't or shouldn't do it. I just said it's a pain for everybody involved, from players, to broadcast crews, fans and food services.
Game would not be rescheduled for later in the season, way too many logistics involved.
It will either be delayed a few hours tonight OR moved to Saturday afternoon.
BlueforLife-Sorry to hear about the accident. Hope you're on the road to recovery.
Hopefully the league makes a decision before people start going to the game.
Saturday the AQ looking better, but who really knows. As much as I don't want a Saturday game. It's what's ever best for the players.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 01, 2025, 05:34:38 PMBlueforLife-Sorry to hear about the accident. Hope you're on the road to recovery.
Hopefully the league makes a decision before people start going to the game.
This would be nice.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 01, 2025, 04:42:03 PM[/b]
Hit and run??? Could have been anyone! ;D
The suggestion of that is as rude, offensive and disrespectful as it gets.
Thanks to those that are showing me empathy. Really means a lot!!!!!
Tboned a person who pulled out on me last second. Been off work for over a month. Pretty hurt still but on the road to recovery from a great team of health care professionals. I know I can be annoying, argumentative and a little abrasive on here at times but the connections I have built with people on here really mean something to me, even if we don't share the same view point. Stay awesome. This is a good community.
Based on the AQ numbers I think we will play but delayed a couple hours. The smoke is really hard on me even with an air cleaner in the car and wearing a mask. Hurts my eyes and makes me tired. I have a medical condition that makes me more sensitive to smoke.
Latest Bomber update is we are still on track for a 730pm start time.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 08:20:20 PMThe suggestion of that is as rude, offensive and disrespectful as it gets.
Thanks to those that are showing me empathy. Really means a lot!!!!!
Tboned a person who pulled out on me last second. Been off work for over a month. Pretty hurt still but on the road to recovery from a great team of health care professionals. I know I can be annoying, argumentative and a little abrasive on here at times but the connections I have built with people on here really mean something to me, even if we don't share the same view point. Stay awesome. This is a good community.
Based on the AQ numbers I think we will play but delayed a couple hours. The smoke is really hard on me even with an air cleaner in the car and wearing a mask. Hurts my eyes and makes me tired. I have a medical condition that makes me more sensitive to smoke.
manitoba highways are terrible - people are in la la land and zoned out. i drive on them everyday commuting to work outside of Winnipeg. thankfully it's all on divided highway. take care and hopefully you can enjoy the game.
On the weather - nice little breeze in NK right now - hopefully it dissipates the smoke enough.
My model site shows the bubble shrinking enough to give us good air under 100 precisely for game time and it should last until midnight! It's like the Montreal wind miracle.
I'll take it!
Of course CFL will demand under 80... So there's still that, but the worse stuff is being pushed enough we should get it.
CFL should switch to 100 as the magic number next year, not 80.
CJOB pre-game saying no delay. Games goes at 7:30
Walking to the stadium, seems fine. Sites still say 150,so it's gotta start blowing out soon or we will see delays
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 08:20:20 PMThe suggestion of that is as rude, offensive and disrespectful as it gets.
Thanks to those that are showing me empathy. Really means a lot!!!!!
Tboned a person who pulled out on me last second. Been off work for over a month. Pretty hurt still but on the road to recovery from a great team of health care professionals. I know I can be annoying, argumentative and a little abrasive on here at times but the connections I have built with people on here really mean something to me, even if we don't share the same view point. Stay awesome. This is a good community.
Based on the AQ numbers I think we will play but delayed a couple hours. The smoke is really hard on me even with an air cleaner in the car and wearing a mask. Hurts my eyes and makes me tired. I have a medical condition that makes me more sensitive to smoke.
Life can change in an instant. Hopefully everybody involved recovers in time without any permanent physical issues. Get well soon.
Time for the Argos to Get Smoked. Go Blue!
Derek Taylor fact, in 15 CFL games played the biggest lead Streveler has ever overcome is 3 pts. The Bombers can't afford to fall behind.
I love strevs bravado, his energy and how he's a good team mate, he just isn't a very good Qb, I just see this game going very baseball the changes on D and our lacklustre passing game. They are going to focus McManus on Brady and force strev to pass and it ain't going to end well
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2025, 11:35:53 PMI love strevs bravado, his energy and how he's a good team mate, he just isn't a very good Qb, I just see this game going very baseball the changes on D and our lacklustre passing game. They are going to focus McManus on Brady and force strev to pass and it ain't going to end well
Yes and then again he may surprise us.
Strange, aqi still up around 150 and the players have been warming up for around 10 minutes already.
In Regina they said no warm up until 80. Lol
Rules clear as mud
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 11:49:05 PMStrange, aqi still up around 150 and the players have been warming up for around 10 minutes already.
In Regina they said no warm up until 80. Lol
Rules clear as mud
Wade's in charge and he's probably not interested in delaying the game. I can see the CFL forcing the players to sign a waiver next off-season to avoid these situations. It's football, it's probably going to be detrimental to your health, in or out?
Britt's looking nice.
Willie J was hyping up the team at the end of warm up. Defend our barn!
Mike Miller is the guy always right next to mos. Kind of like boo used to be, the pen chewing stc.
This is first time I've remembered to login to the forum on my phone before the game... Trying out in stadium commentary!
Nice breeze. Enough speed from the south that I think we defer if we win the toss , unless of course the wind is forecast to die down. Sky deck flags stiff. Upright flags dead. Typical igf pas
6 random dudes walking on top of the East side roof! They're doing something, but can't tell what.
Willie's gold mirror visor looks cool in the sun
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 09:33:37 PMMy model site shows the bubble shrinking enough to give us good air under 100 precisely for game time and it should last until midnight! It's like the Montreal wind miracle.
I'll take it!
Of course CFL will demand under 80... So there's still that, but the worse stuff is being pushed enough we should get it.
CFL should switch to 100 as the magic number next year, not 80.
The air quality will be so much better by next year due to Carbon Taxes and EVs so I wouldn't worry. :o :o ;)
I swear the aqi are just made up. Was 150 not that long ago, now 88. I've been in the stands an hour and the air looking out over the city looks exactly the same, smells exactly the same.
Oh well, I hope they don't delay the game for that last 8 points aqi
pinball is in the house. for those too young - dude was electric
spider cam night!!
Corcoron master of the 6 yard pass
Hate playing the argos, weird stuff always happens in the argos favor
so that offensive series featured 3 plays
hand off up the middle
qb sneak
short pass
embarrassing
no play action
Argos d coordinator will know what's coming all night
big V got to Arbuckle
good series
This is not good. :-(
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 12:45:27 AMso that offensive series featured 3 plays
hand off up the middle
qb sneak
short pass
embarrassing
no play action
Argos d coordinator will know what's coming all night
there is the pick 6 that was bound to happen
not a pro qb - prove me wrong
he was throwing into coverage as well
Vaval!!!!Bravo
special teams will do it - who needs a qb?
Vaval! I knew it!
Really needed that, you could almost see the team going not again, way to go!
The house went nuts during that kr td. He busted it by just keeping his balance thru that last gap.
defence and crowd did their job
come on strevy - prove me wrong
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 01:00:09 AMdefence and crowd did their job
come on strevy - prove me wrong
maybe next series Strev...maybe next series
he is lost - and he shouldn't be as he has played before
happy feet
argos are shooting themselves with penalties on their returns
great defence - no complaints
strevy time
strevy delivers with his legs on that drive
Streveler is not a starting QB. He keeps throwing interceptions and now that's in his head so it will result in sacks.
castillo - not a great night so far - ko out of bounds - no excuse for that
Castillo needs to get his head into this game.
argos taking more penalties - thanks!!
defence has showed up
if strev's first read isn't there - it's over
he just can't adjust
Streveler on 2nd and over 6 is not a drop back qb.
argos get their first first down of the game at 7:33 in the 2nd
we are only up by 7
that is how challenged we are offensively
strev has 30 yards passing with 5:07 left in the half
tell me how that is going to win games?
he has to try
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 01:29:50 AMargos get their first first down of the game at 7:33 in the 2nd
we are only up by 7
that is how challenged we are offensively
Wait! What? They take a quarter and a half to get their first first down but *we're* challenged? Huh?
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2025, 01:35:09 AMWait! What? They take a quarter and a half to get their first first down but *we're* challenged? Huh?
we should be up by more than 7 at that point. we have/had 30 yards passing
Nice kick, Castillo.
td special teams
td offense
td defence
argos are playing so bad right now - we have to pile on the points
toronto did not show up
dinwiddie gonna blow a gasket - love it
VAVAL VAVAL VAVOOM!!!
WOOO HOOO! How's that Zipper?
No more talking mean about our boy Vaval
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2025, 01:49:53 AMWOOO HOOO! How's that Zipper?
pile it on
2 special teams td
1 offense
1 defence
that is how you compete without an offense
won't work all the time but i will take it
Janarion Vava-vava-vaval-voom! LMAO!
Anyone know what the 2004 sticker is on Vaval's nose?
c mon db s cover!!!
Vaval came to play. He'll be in the running for ST player of the week. Maybe he can return another K/O and win some one that $1M.
On the negative side:
1. Fumbled opening K/O
2. Missed FG
3. K/O out of bounds
4. Pick 6
5. Bonds bit on the pass to Coxie and cost us 3 points. Lucky that's all it cost us.
On the " I'm not sure what's going on " aspect.
1. On TV they mentioned Cooley was on the field for a play at LB in the 1st or 2nd series?
2. I noticed Ball working on ST's which is a good sign. I think they think that's an initial role for him
3. Also noticed Kelly on defence at least once. No idea who he replaced on that down.
4. Saw J.Jones on at least one play.
Person is making some good plays and an impression in his early career. The fumble recovery TD was nice, but he's in the face of the Arbuckle and playing well.
Haven't really noticed, Parker, Griffin or Kramdi that much. I guess that's a good thing? Seems to be more pressure with Person takes more reps replacing a DT.
The game is there for us to win if we can not make the big mistakes of the past.
Crowd loving this game so far. Very ebullient. ST and d TDS are always very popular.
Great temp, smoke basically unchanged. Nice breeze. They should all be like this. Well maybe 0 smoke...
TOR thought they'd come in and just half butt it. Not good enough tonight as we're finally awake.
O ain't great, but besides a fluke TO they are doing ok. Strev clearly got the memo, just don't throw more picks.
I fully expect TOR to come out with more energy in the second h. 2.5 TDS isn't that much if they can shut down our d again.
So far I'm proud of the Bombers, especially the d and st.
Streveler is light years ahead of Zach. Dude needs to be put to pasture.....
Have we thrown a pass longer than 10 yards yet? It's leaving the defence close to LOS and taking away our run game.
Oh ya, the run mostly o plan is great. Love the strev Brady run run option. Love the sweeps. More run please. We may not need to pass much to win this if d keeps stopping them.
We're up 18, I'd think we'll be running the ball to chew up the clock. We cannot turn the ball over and give them a spark
Quote from: Strevy on August 02, 2025, 02:06:35 AMStreveler is light years ahead of Zach. Dude needs to be put to pasture.....
strev was terrible - one pick 6 and i don't think he completed a pass over 15 yards
total of 49 passing yards in a half of cfl football
he has happy feet and can't read a defence.
i am thrilled the bombers are winning but they are doing it in spite of a mediocre offense - that is great but strev isn't the answer.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 02:14:13 AMstrev was terrible - one pick 6 and i don't think he completed a pass over 15 yards
total of 49 passing yards in a half of cfl football
he has happy feet and can't read a defence.
i am thrilled the bombers are winning but they are doing it in spite of a mediocre offense - that is great but strev isn't the answer.
Exactly. It's nothing short of a miracle that we got 2 ST TD's and a defensive TD. Strev has hardly been a saviour. This game is not over either. 49 yds passing in the second half isn't going to get it done, and I doubt ST and D score 21 more points. Argos score on opening drive, its a different game
Aaaand on que , they score. Game on boys!!
defence is still in the locker room - parker hurt and vaughters down for a bit
game isn't over
we are one bad Strev pass away from giving this game away
Can't go into prevent this early,argos going to the corners again
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 02:23:00 AMdefence is still in the locker room - parker hurt and vaughters down for a bit
game isn't over
we are one bad Strev pass away from giving this game away
it'll be the db's that will lose this game.........
Streveler cant make a read then he delays running
strev is so scared to make a throw
this game might be in jeopardy - we are lucky grant didn't score
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 02:27:34 AMstrev is so scared to make a throw
this game might be in jeopardy - we are lucky grant didn't score
db's will lose the game dont worry
Bonds is the new Bridges
where in the hell was the db on that play!!!!
Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 02, 2025, 02:24:56 AMit'll be the db's that will lose this game.........
there it is - no need to interfere
arbuckle is in a rhythm now and our defence is not.
dinwiddie is an idiot - from the gun on the one ??
we are lucky
This is where the leadership on the defense is missing, need to regroup, but great goal line stand to build on
might as well punt now 1st and 20 a run and likely a screen
glad to be made to look bad. great touch
option run up the middle - again
a terrible strev throw isn't picked - compete to demski for his longest completion of the night
run up the middle is sniffed out
sergio on target
Quote from: Strevy on August 02, 2025, 02:06:35 AMStreveler is light years ahead of Zach. Dude needs to be put to pasture.....
So true! Strev is on fire with almost 100 YARDS!
Pretty sure there's a reason that Hogan doesn't trust Strev to throw the ball on 2nd and 9...
dirt ball by strev
and a pick - strev is so bad
i want to see a passing chart for this guy
Time for Wilson?
18 point lead at the half
10 point lead at the start of the 4th
wrong direction - hopefully the defence stays as sharp as the last couple of drives
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 02:43:56 AMdirt ball by strev
and a pick - strev is so bad
i want to see a passing chart for this guy
you talk as if collaros hasnt thrown an interception this whole season...how many interceptions has collaros thrown?
Im convinced that when Dinwiddie thinks they need a break he has a guy go down
Has Corcoran ever caught a pass for a first down, but OShea loves his gritty play, who cares about talent
Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 02, 2025, 02:48:17 AMyou talk as if collaros hasnt thrown an interception this whole season...how many interceptions has collaros thrown?
collaros isn't playing tonight, strev is and he has been not very good.
Quote from: Pete on August 02, 2025, 02:58:08 AMHas Corcoran ever caught a pass for a first down, but OShea loves his gritty play, who cares about talent
he took a penalty for a bad block
once again the db s strike again
no safety help for Vaval trying to cover the best receiver in the building
well we have the dubious honor of the worst secondary in the league
Ouch!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 02:59:14 AMcollaros isn't playing tonight, strev is and he has been not very good.
funny how collaros was playing in all of the losses this season and the past 3 grey cup losses
We will be fortunate to pull this one out.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 02, 2025, 03:02:59 AMfunny how collaros was playing in all of the losses this season and the past 3 grey cup losses
if you are inferring in any way that strev is better than zach you haven't been watching this game.
Bombers self destructing!!!
High School football.
so cooley hasn't returned kicks since high school and we decide tonight is the night
Vaval is not a Db, he's getting burned
Boy did we need that!
A score is a must here.
no reason to rush that 2nd and 1
what the f*** the one thing you cant do What a terrible play call let alone throw
strev is so bad
it's just a joke at this point - run the ball instead of floating that ball
That was stupid. Run the ball!!!!
that is what a tall db will do for you!
:-X
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 03:16:34 AMstrev is so bad
it's just a joke at this point - run the ball instead of floating that ball
like he is calling the plays!
Whoever called that play is an idiot. We needed a F.G.
Thats what a first year offensive coordinator will do
Quote from: Pete on August 02, 2025, 03:18:15 AMThats what a first year offensive coordinator will do
I have never coached football but know you do not try that play!
at least the d line is playing well
Hogan should be fired
Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 02, 2025, 03:17:42 AMlike he is calling the plays!
he made the throw to a covered receiver - that is on the qb. any given play has multiple options.
he just missed an open demski as he bounced around in the pocket
Why aren't we using Brady. For gosh sakes.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2025, 03:22:13 AMhe made the throw to a covered receiver - that is on the qb. any given play has multiple options.
he just missed an open demski as he bounced around in the pocket
ur gonna have to better than that
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on August 02, 2025, 03:18:03 AMWhoever called that play is an idiot. We needed a F.G.
Yah, you can't fix stupid!
d line won this game hands down....db s need a lot of work ....not saying strev is the answer but jesus H ******...collaros hasnt exactly played allstar lately with his play/interception rate in the past 2 seasons. and in the past 3 grey cup games.....
not even close that was offensive pi
That's a mammoth win against a team we never seem to be able to beat. If we go on to win the Cup this year a look back may show this game as being the one that reversed our fortunes.
Coxie is 100% *******. There, I said it. 8)
win the cup? We almost blew a mammoth lead.
I will say that Streveler is a battler but not a starter by any stretch.
If we had a decent QB, we would have won that game by 20
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2025, 03:39:11 AMThat's a mammoth win against a team we never seem to be able to beat. If we go on to win the Cup this year a look back may show this game as being the one that reversed our fortunes.
Win the cup??!! We almost blew a 21 point lead the special teams and def nee gave us. Our offense was horrible tonight. The streveller interception in the end zone was by far the stupidest play I ve ever seen. Throw it away kick the field goal and game is over. Nope, not with strev, not a very bright guy!!
Thank the special teams for winning that game. The run game was not particularly good and Streveler was a disaster.
Escaped having an epic failure and losing. It's a win and we'll take it but we tried everything we could to lose.
If it was up to me I'd cut Streveler tomorrow. If we have to play another QB, it may as well be a rookie. There is no upside for Streveler. Maybe even bring back Dolegala.
So we added Cooley for no apparent reason. Essentially 2 fumbles in 2 tries. Not used on offence at all and the conversation this week is that Cobb has return experience. Mitchell has return experience, at least more than Cooley in recent history.
Monster game by # 5. DL brought more pressure than I expected but the secondary leaves a lot to be desired. Parker injured and may not be available. I'm not sure how serious the problem.
That missed FG early could have cost us the game. That's unforgivable. K/O out of bounds ditto. It only takes one mistake to potentially cost a team the game.
Let the flack begin for suggesting to cut Streveler but I said we shouldn't have re-signed him before TC. Not good and no upside. He was sacked 5 times!!
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2025, 03:45:38 AMWin the cup??!! We almost blew a 21 point lead the special teams and def nee gave us. Our offense was horrible tonight. The streveller interception in the end zone was by far the stupidest play I ve ever seen. Throw it away kick the field goal and game is over. Nope, not with strev, not a very bright guy!!
Amen!
Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 02, 2025, 03:46:57 AMThank the special teams for winning that game. The run game was not particularly good and Streveler was a disaster.
If you can't throw and challenge the secondary, the LB's will crowd the LOS and take away the run. No surprise. I haven't checked the stats to see our passing yardage. A few short passes had good YAC but I don't think we completed a pass over 15 yards.
I don't know if Parker plays next week but I think D. Lawson gets added for depth in the secondary. He might even have to start. Otherwise Griffith to CB, Kramdi to SAM and IDK at safety. Could be Kelly?
Not impressed by bend but don't break and breaking all the time. Yes secondary is having issues but receivers were open too often on 2nd and long.
The pick in the end zone was a combination of bad play call and bad QB. We needed to burn down as much time as possible.
Throwing to a receiver well covered is a brain dead decision.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 03:47:06 AMEscaped having an epic failure and losing. It's a win and we'll take it but we tried everything we could to lose.
If it was up to me I'd cut Streveler tomorrow. If we have to play another QB, it may as well be a rookie. There is no upside for Streveler. Maybe even bring back Dolegala.
So we added Cooley for no apparent reason. Essentially 2 fumbles in 2 tries. Not used on offence at all and the conversation this week is that Cobb has return experience. Mitchell has return experience, at least more than Cooley in recent history.
Monster game by # 5. DL brought more pressure than I expected but the secondary leaves a lot to be desired. Parker injured and may not be available. I'm not sure how serious the problem.
That missed FG early could have cost us the game. That's unforgivable. K/O out of bounds ditto. It only takes one mistake to potentially cost a team the game.
Let the flack begin for suggesting to cut Streveler but I said we shouldn't have re-signed him before TC. Not good and no upside. He was sacked 5 times!!
Don't be ridiculous. Mid distance field goals are missed all the time.
Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 02, 2025, 03:59:03 AMDon't be ridiculous. Mid distance field goals are missed all the time.
Not by Castillo in an environment with no wind. He hit the upright. It wasn't short.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 03:54:27 AMIf you can't throw and challenge the secondary, the LB's will crowd the LOS and take away the run. No surprise. I haven't checked the stats to see our passing yardage. A few short passes had good YAC but I don't think we completed a pass over 15 yards.
I don't know if Parker plays next week but I think D. Lawson gets added for depth in the secondary. He might even have to start. Otherwise Griffith to CB, Kramdi to SAM and IDK at safety. Could be Kelly?
Not impressed by bend but don't break and breaking all the time. Yes secondary is having issues but receivers were open too often on 2nd and long.
The pick in the end zone was a combination of bad play call and bad QB. We needed to burn down as much time as possible.
Throwing to a receiver well covered is a brain dead decision.
I agree 100% - that play had to be the dumbest play I have ever seen. Who called the play? When all you need is a FG and you have 2nd and reasonably short yardage just run the dang ball and if you come up short kick the FG. And if you are the QB and you need to throw the ball and there is nothing there, park it in the stands for Pete's sake. IMHO this team is going no where period if Stev is starting any games. Lots of major issues that still need to be addressed. No Run Game! No speed receivers and a secondary that is suspect at best. OL is not all that good either. The big guys we still need to play (Calgary, Saskatchewan, Hamilton and Montreal) will eat our lunch based on what we fielded tonight
Quote from: blueandgoldguy on August 02, 2025, 03:59:03 AMDon't be ridiculous. Mid distance field goals are missed all the time.
Agreed. Of all the many things to complain about, a kicker not being 100% is not one of them.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 04:00:50 AMNot by Castillo in an environment with no wind. He hit the upright. It wasn't short.
Missing a 46 yarder is not unforgivable, lol
F**K are we spoiled :D
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 04:00:50 AMNot by Castillo in an environment with no wind. He hit the upright. It wasn't short.
Its going to happen once in a while. We have been spoiled with excellent kicking and have high expectations.
Strev has made Sterns into our Weston Dressler the past
6 quarters and Clercius a non factor, cept for his blocking
Sterns and Demski were the only receivers I noticed. Clercius and wheatfall were invisible, did they catch a pass tonight??
Quote from: Jockitch on August 02, 2025, 04:15:44 AMStrev has made Sterns into our Weston Dressler the past
6 quarters and Clercius a non factor, cept for his blocking
I would have like to see Clercius in the Corcoran role and Mitchell in the game
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2025, 04:17:22 AMSterns and Demski were the only receivers I noticed. Clercius and wheatfall were invisible, did they catch a pass tonight??
Wheatfall caught a few mostly short inside routes and once they attempted a sweep which looked promising but did not work out.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 03:54:27 AMIf you can't throw and challenge the secondary, the LB's will crowd the LOS and take away the run. No surprise. I haven't checked the stats to see our passing yardage. A few short passes had good YAC but I don't think we completed a pass over 15 yards.
I don't know if Parker plays next week but I think D. Lawson gets added for depth in the secondary. He might even have to start. Otherwise Griffith to CB, Kramdi to SAM and IDK at safety. Could be Kelly?
Kelly!!! I immediately remembered his play at Safety last season, he mostly runs around like a passenger and doesn't seem to have a nose for the ball. The play were Coxie got up off the ground and started running down field, Kelly comes jogging up as if the play is over and flubs his tackle! First game back, but I seriously doubt he's very tuned into his job. Maybe play on teams for a couple of years till he tunes in.
Quote from: LXTSN on August 02, 2025, 02:40:15 AMSo true! Strev is on fire with almost 100 YARDS!
Pretty sure there's a reason that Hogan doesn't trust Strev to throw the ball on 2nd and 9...
2-0 when he starts. Dude just wins. Zach is washed. Has been for awhile.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 03:47:06 AMIf it was up to me I'd cut Streveler tomorrow. If we have to play another QB, it may as well be a rookie. There is no upside for Streveler. Maybe even bring back Dolegala.
That's unexpected from you, the most even-keel guy on this forum.
So what do you have to say about:
Strev: 2 wins
Zach: 2 wins
Or how about this:
Zach: 3 losses (some with Strev relief though)
Strev: 0 losses
Yes, Strev isn't great, but so far he's AT LEAST the .500 QB I promised everyone he is. Why? Because he's always won us .500!!
Who's to say the better play by (mostly) everyone tonight wasn't because of Strev's fire and leadership? Not saying it is, but it could be! Zach doesn't provide much "fire" and his leadership is strictly of the "quiet, brooding captain" type. Maybe we need the rah rah "I can run through and win anything!" type sometimes.
Not claiming the W is "all on Strev" at all. I'm not blind. But if you look at the raw result, he's doing pretty darn good! And for that I'm thankful.
Strev is our #2 in '25 as long as he's healthy. And pray that Zach is healthy for most of it too!
Quote from: BBRT on August 02, 2025, 04:05:25 AMI agree 100% - that play had to be the dumbest play I have ever seen. Who called the play?
The biggest sin is the EZ TO because then you get no points AND they get it at the 30. It's kinda like a safety. Just awful.
So why are you doing a weird man-coverage park with a tall DB to a shrimpken REC? Why not Sterns fake-sit double-move to the corner for a Dressler-reach TD at the back of the EZ? Sterns is about speed and route, not sitting and jumping.
This shouldn't have even been a play option.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 04:00:50 AMNot by Castillo in an environment with no wind. He hit the upright. It wasn't short.
And it was a chipped-ball looking trajectory. That thing looked like a pinball in a rigged machine. The flags gave a little puff to the left at the last sec and that's exactly where the ball went.
A little more luck and less wind and it likely doinks and goes in.
Just bad luck, I don't blame Castillo. P.S. Snap/hold looked AMAZING.
Check this out. Right after the dude laying on the turf brushes his left leg, and almost tackles his right leg (brushing his heel on its up-stroke), Vaval is totally going to fall down tripping all over himself and the turf.
But he doesn't. He manages to get his right leg moving forward after a little hop, and keep going.
All the while he's in his 2nd-highest gear.
I am not sure I've seen this before. Grant could shed body tackles like an oiled piglet, but I don't recall him surviving such lower-leg molestation.
Watching this particular 1-2 strides frame-by-frame is fascinating! I was wondering live in stadium how the heck he survived that final whack on the legs.
Wow!
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Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 02:04:42 AM1. On TV they mentioned Cooley was on the field for a play at LB in the 1st or 2nd series?
Ferguson is wrong. I checked and it's Person coming off. #36 vs #38, easy to confuse with our number font on a running player, though clearly that body running off is Person tall beef, not Cooley shrimpken.
"Josh Hagerty and the Punting Unit"
Sounds like a country-rap fusion band name.
Parker injury: hammy? Can a strike to the hammy while you're not planted produce a "hammy" injury?
If not, I think this is a minor injury and Parker will be back soon.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 02, 2025, 05:04:11 AMKelly!!! I immediately remembered his play at Safety last season, he mostly runs around like a passenger and doesn't seem to have a nose for the ball. The play were Coxie got up off the ground and started running down field, Kelly comes jogging up as if the play is over and flubs his tackle! First game back, but I seriously doubt he's very tuned into his job. Maybe play on teams for a couple of years till he tunes in.
Neither of our CB's or safety have been tuned in. Kelly may not be the best choice but our PR doesn't have much depth. Woodbey is more of a LB. Dawson might have to play at CB.
Allen played well in pre season but can he succeed this early in the CFL?
Maybe O'Shea puts Cooley in at safety since he did so well on returns. :( I still don't know why they added him to the roster in that or any role.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 02, 2025, 08:28:26 AMThat's unexpected from you, the most even-keel guy on this forum.
So what do you have to say about:
Strev: 2 wins
Zach: 2 wins
Or how about this:
Zach: 3 losses (some with Strev relief though)
Strev: 0 losses
Yes, Strev isn't great, but so far he's AT LEAST the .500 QB I promised everyone he is. Why? Because he's always won us .500!!
Who's to say the better play by (mostly) everyone tonight wasn't because of Strev's fire and leadership? Not saying it is, but it could be! Zach doesn't provide much "fire" and his leadership is strictly of the "quiet, brooding captain" type. Maybe we need the rah rah "I can run through and win anything!" type sometimes.
Not claiming the W is "all on Strev" at all. I'm not blind. But if you look at the raw result, he's doing pretty darn good! And for that I'm thankful.
Strev is our #2 in '25 as long as he's healthy. And pray that Zach is healthy for most of it too!
It's a decision not only based on this game. We didn't win because of him, we won in spite of him. Vaval 2 TD's and Person fumble recovery TD won this game. Yes that can be true for any QB including Collaros.
I mentioned I wouldn't have signed Streveler before he was re-signed. So it's not a surprise or new that I make this comment.
He has no touch, no longer has the running ability he used to have. He continues to make the worst decisions such as the pick in the end zone when all we needed was a FG.
Last night he had 49 yards passing and had thrown a pick 6 in the 1st half. Did that result surprise you?
Look at his career stats for yardage, TD's and int's. If you didn't know those were his what would your evaluation be?
I get that he's a fan favourite but based on performance ( over time ) and lack of upside, it's time to make a change.
I haven't re-watched the game yet but there were some other observations watching live.
1. Wilson didn't seem to play much. I think Kelly was on when Wilson was off. Argos had no run game so it seemed we wanted to add another DB in coverage.
2. Person was on the field a lot. Thomas and Lawson were off the field quite a bit. J. Jones was on the field a few times.
3. No receptions from Clercius ( who I like ) but wouldn't Mitchell be a better choice. Clercius has 181 yards in 7 games.
4. Maybe someone can confirm if noticed but the broadcast mentioned that Cooley was on the field for one defensive rep?
5. Ball and J. Jones both played on ST's. J. Jones had 2 ST's. I'm not sure whether Ball made an impact but coverage was good as a unit.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 02, 2025, 10:03:16 AMFerguson is wrong. I checked and it's Person coming off. #36 vs #38, easy to confuse with our number font on a running player, though clearly that body running off is Person tall beef, not Cooley shrimpken.
That makes more sense.
We'll have to see whether Parker can play or if he's out short or long term. it looked like he got hit by friendly fire.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 01:26:59 PMThat makes more sense.
We'll have to see whether Parker can play or if he's out short or long term. it looked like he got hit by friendly fire.
It initially looked very bad from the seats. He grabbed the lower leg and rolled around the turf a few times.
Thankfully he did get up and could put some weight on it. The way he reacted I was thinking it was broke.
He might be out a bit but I hope we dodged a bullet.
Ok. Re-watched the game.
Streveler only had 91 yards passing by the end of the 3rd Q. At the end of the quarter he rolled right and threw a grounder to Sterns. Then he threw an int on a receiver that was not open. It was another odd int that was knocked down and into the hands of a 2nd DB. The point being it was not close to a Bomber catching it.
In the 4Q, we had some short passes result in some good YAC to the credit of Oliveria and Demski. The total passing yardage nearly doubled in the last Q.
Did Hogan call that play that was an int in the end zone? That was not a jump ball the receiver was going to win. It was a very good defensive play but what why the heck was the pass thrown?
Last INT is on the OC.
Throwing a jump ball to a WR (within 1-on-1 coverage) is common. Problem is, Sterns is shorter than the DB. If that ball is to Lawler, it's a touchdown.
A FG makes it a two score game. Run it and then let the kicker kick it.
The complaining about Castillo is amazing.
Look at his stats on CFL.CA and then go to NFL.com and compare him to those kickers.
He's good enough % wise and distance wise to be in the NFL and we have him here.
Cooley had a very rough night on the return team. However, I was surprised that he didn't get a touch on offence.
Lawson and Jake, no stats.
Quote from: peg_city on August 02, 2025, 03:01:34 PMLast INT is on the OC.
Throwing a jump ball to a WR (within 1-on-1 coverage) is common. Problem is, Sterns is shorter than the DB. If that ball is to Lawler, it's a touchdown.
A FG makes it a two score game. Run it and then let the kicker kick it.
Yes if he called the play but Streveler didn't have to throw it so there is blame to go around.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 02, 2025, 03:32:54 PMCooley had a very rough night on the return team. However, I was surprised that he didn't get a touch on offence.
Lawson and Jake, no stats.
Person was taking a lot of their normal reps and the Argos had zero run game to worry about.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 03:35:35 PMPerson was taking a lot of their normal reps and the Argos had zero run game to worry about.
3 NI DE's on the field at the same time created havoc, that's the payoff for playing a Natl. at Safety, I think whenever Kelly was on Kramdi was moved back to SAM.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 02, 2025, 03:49:16 PM3 NI DE's on the field at the same time created havoc, that's the payoff for playing a Natl. at Safety, I think whenever Kelly was on Kramdi was moved back to SAM.
I don't know I'd say that necessarily. We were starting 7 Canadians on offence and Kramdi at the very least on defence. So we had 9 Canadians quite often.
Whether Kramdi was at safety or at SAM the math was the same. We didn't have an import safety to put in instead of Kelly.
Regardless having an all import DL often worked well. Even against a team with a better running attack that could still work well.
Streveler got sacked 5 times. He needs more pocket awareness and should be throwing it away to prevent those losses. Overall it was taking too long to get rid of the ball and a lot of telegraphing the play. Obviously play calling and receivers are part of the issue. But geez. If its' not there, get rid of it or run.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 04:10:21 PMStreveler got sacked 5 times. He needs more pocket awareness and should be throwing it away to prevent those losses. Overall it was taking too long to get rid of the ball and a lot of telegraphing the play. Obviously play calling and receivers are part of the issue. But geez. If its' not there, get rid of it or run.
O-line, play calling and receivers are sub par. Zach would have been out in the first quarter. This is still a bad football team even with a great QB. Lot's of work to do.
Quote from: Strevy on August 02, 2025, 04:24:05 PMO-line, play calling and receivers are sub par. Zach would have been out in the first quarter. This is still a bad football team even with a great QB. Lot's of work to do.
Bombers only gave up 1 sack in the previous game against the Argos. I think that was against Streveler. Collaros was not injured due to a recorded sack.
Yes the OL and receivers are sub par but nobody wants to mention that when Collaros is struggling. He gets rid of the ball.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 03:53:49 PMI don't know I'd say that necessarily. We were starting 7 Canadians on offence and Kramdi at the very least on defence. So we had 9 Canadians quite often.
Whether Kramdi was at safety or at SAM the math was the same. We didn't have an import safety to put in instead of Kelly.
Regardless having an all import DL often worked well. Even against a team with a better running attack that could still work well.
It's all trade offs, can't have a 3 NI O-line + a 3 NI DE formation on the field together without more ratio flexibility. This is the first game this season they were able to lineup without a Natl DT on the field. That formation is a Christmas present, obviously can't use it all the time, limit maybe 5-6 times per game, a good running team would exploit it.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 02, 2025, 04:47:01 PMIt's all trade offs, can't have a 3 NI O-line + a 3 NI DE formation on the field together without more ratio flexibility. This is the first game this season they were able to lineup without a Natl DT on the field. That formation is a Christmas present, obviously can't use it all the time, limit maybe 5-6 times per game, a good running team would exploit it.
I don't think that is correct. Normally we have 6 Canadians starting on offence. Kramdi is always starting on defence so that's 7. A Canadian at DT was never mandatory but we didn't have that extra DE in Person until the last couple of weeks.
If we dump Cooley next week we could add Woods potentially as another all import DL and still maintain the ratio. Having
Kelly back gives us a 2nd Canadian option we didn't have until this week. While that wasn't very effective, it was a new option and it was used last night.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 08:46:32 PMmanitoba highways are terrible - people are in la la land and zoned out. i drive on them everyday commuting to work outside of Winnipeg. thankfully it's all on divided highway. take care and hopefully you can enjoy the game.
On the weather - nice little breeze in NK right now - hopefully it dissipates the smoke enough.
I was on Highway #8 (not divided) going to the game early due to Icelandic Festival in Gimli... bumper to bumper going North and people persist to pass, saw an accident occur right in front of my eyes, car had to roll onto the farmers field to avoid head on collision (thank goodness I was a fair distance away) so frustrating. But was more frustrating was trying to get out of stadium after the game.... It took me 1 hour to get from point A to point B and I didn't hit Pembina Highway yet LOL. 3 hours to get home!!!!
Quote from: barbk on August 02, 2025, 07:55:21 PMI was on Highway #8 (not divided) going to the game early due to Icelandic Festival in Gimli... bumper to bumper going North and people persist to pass, saw an accident occur right in front of my eyes, car had to roll onto the farmers field to avoid head on collision (thank goodness I was a fair distance away) so frustrating. But was more frustrating was trying to get out of stadium after the game.... It took me 1 hour to get from point A to point B and I didn't hit Pembina Highway yet LOL. 3 hours to get home!!!!
There are a lot of bad drivers on the highways right these days. Everyone in a hurry, and travelling far to fast. Left the stadium after the last play of the game. Was parked right next to the soccer complex, got out in 5 minutes.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2025, 01:11:56 PMIt's a decision not only based on this game. We didn't win because of him, we won in spite of him.
He has no touch, no longer has the running ability he used to have. He continues to make the worst decisions such as the pick in the end zone when all we needed was a FG.
And yet throughout all his time here, he's around .500 when starting. Weird, huh? D and ST bailed him out every time? Strange they only show up when Strev is QB? Again, weird! :D :D :D
I'm not even saying you're wrong: I'm saying at some point you have to look at his record and give him credit. Milt doesn't care how you win, how many INTs you threw: Just count the W's!
I'm pretty sure Strev is, at this moment, the winningest backup QB (in terms of record this season) in the CFL. MBT or Masoli and the like sound better on paper (i.e. they can throw!) but Strev is the one actually getting it done.
It's funny everyone (except Strevy's mom on the forum here) thinks Strev will fail all the time, and yet here we are.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 03, 2025, 03:15:26 AMAnd yet throughout all his time here, he's around .500 when starting. Weird, huh? D and ST bailed him out every time? Strange they only show up when Strev is QB? Again, weird! :D :D :D
I'm not even saying you're wrong: I'm saying at some point you have to look at his record and give him credit. Milt doesn't care how you win, how many INTs you threw: Just count the W's!
I'm pretty sure Strev is, at this moment, the winningest backup QB (in terms of record this season) in the CFL. MBT or Masoli and the like sound better on paper (i.e. they can throw!) but Strev is the one actually getting it done.
It's funny everyone (except Strevy's mom on the forum here) thinks Strev will fail all the time, and yet here we are.
He's actually the only QB with a losing record since his time here. Nichols and Collaros have winning percentages of like 90% with the same team around them that Strev has had, yet he was 5-8 entering the season (now 7-8).
Quote from: Jesse on August 03, 2025, 03:32:49 AM...Strev has had, yet he was 5-8 entering the season (now 7-8).
I rest my case.
Edit, addtl:
Now, how many games has Masoli won "as a backup"? MBT (as a backup only)? Maier? Arbuckle (GC notwithstanding)? Crum?
Would you rather have never-wins Tre Ford??
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 03, 2025, 04:19:15 AMI rest my case.
Edit, addtl:
Now, how many games has Masoli won "as a backup"? MBT (as a backup only)? Maier? Arbuckle (GC notwithstanding)? Crum?
Would you rather have never-wins Tre Ford??
I love Strev as a back-up.
I do have to push back slightly when people prop him up too high. There's always an excuse for why he's not doing better.
The 2nd KO Cooley whiff, the one where TOR gets possession...
So a couple of kicks before this (a punt I think) TOR does another "moonshot". One of our mid-wave guys takes it (Gauthier). This is the setup...
So MOS said that he was coaching the team to move up on moonshot so that the real returner can still make the play.
Did he/Miller coach them up on this after that first moonshot?? Sure looks like it, because on this clearly short kick the blockers all move up (incl Gauthier). Normally we'd see a mid-pack guy take it again.
So TOR set us up? Get our coaches drilling into the guys to move up, but not specifying ONLY ON PUNTS NOT KOs. Then they spring their trap by doing the same thing on a KO.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't want "everyone to move up" on a KO because there's a high risk ANY coverage player can get to it first, right? And as we see, that's disaster.
So coach the "move up" on punts, but stress that nearest 2nd level guy (like Guathier) takes the ball on KOs.
We shot ourselves in the foot.
4Q0:24 The Coxie takedown of Bonds: this is EXACTLY what we saw CGY Alford do to us twice. I think it was always Bonds too (maybe 1 on Bridges)?
Anyhow, these takedowns where the big-bodied REC pushes/pulls the DB down well before the ball arrives really irk me. The fact the refs ignore it is really aggravating.
If the DB is on the turf and he didn't trip on his own feet, then there's usually a reason.
I'm so glad that command is starting to address this. Now I want to see refs call this on-field. It shouldn't take a challenge. And they need to watch the whole route, because RECs are doing it really early (though not in this case).
The 6'4+ RECs already are at a huge advantage. Can't let them cheat on top of that by dropping the DBs.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 04, 2025, 10:33:53 AMThe 2nd KO Cooley whiff, the one where TOR gets possession...
So a couple of kicks before this (a punt I think) TOR does another "moonshot". One of our mid-wave guys takes it (Gauthier). This is the setup...
So MOS said that he was coaching the team to move up on moonshot so that the real returner can still make the play.
Did he/Miller coach them up on this after that first moonshot?? Sure looks like it, because on this clearly short kick the blockers all move up (incl Gauthier). Normally we'd see a mid-pack guy take it again.
So TOR set us up? Get our coaches drilling into the guys to move up, but not specifying ONLY ON PUNTS NOT KOs. Then they spring their trap by doing the same thing on a KO.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't want "everyone to move up" on a KO because there's a high risk ANY coverage player can get to it first, right? And as we see, that's disaster.
So coach the "move up" on punts, but stress that nearest 2nd level guy (like Guathier) takes the ball on KOs.
We shot ourselves in the foot.
Gauthier made a heads up play on the first short KO. On the second one, it looked like he thought Cooley was much closer to him and would be catching the ball in the air.
https://3downnation.com/2025/08/04/winnipeg-oc-jason-hogan-defends-play-call-blames-misplaced-throw-for-late-game-interception/
I don't like Hogan's take on this at all:
1. Although the views are limited it didn't look like Stearns had enough separation to make that a high percentage throw when you're giving up 7 inches to the DB. Its possible putting it a bit deeper in the end zone might have helped avoid the interception, but I'm not convinced it would have turned it into a touchdown.
2. If you're trying to take a few deep shots to avoid them stuffing the box, you don't wait until there's 2:58 left in the game. At that point your focus should be on making the plays you need to to win the game, not trying to change the behaviour of the Toronto D.
3. It was FIRST DOWN! Give Brady the ball and see what happens. If he gets stuffed, and you really feel you need the touchdown, take a shot on second down if your're going to do it. Maybe Brady get 7 or 8 yards and sets up a second and short.
4. Why the emphasis on trying to get a touchdown at all costs? Up by 13, versus up by 9 with the field goal, its still a 2 possession game, and if you run Brady twice before kicking the field goal, you can probably take another minute off the clock. So you're up by 9, with under 2 minutes left. Pretty good odds.
5. Even if you give Hogan the benefit of the doubt, and assume that all of what he says is true, I don't like the optics of him throwing Streveler under the bus there publicly. Something tells me he'd be more cautious if Collaros had made that throw.
Wow. Can't put what I really think of Hogan's comments or I'd get kicked off the forum. Really disappointing. If they wanted to throw a pass, throw to the deep corner where the reciever gets it or nobody goes. Ricky Ray made a career out of that pass!!
Quote from: bunker on August 04, 2025, 11:46:51 PMhttps://3downnation.com/2025/08/04/winnipeg-oc-jason-hogan-defends-play-call-blames-misplaced-throw-for-late-game-interception/
I don't like Hogan's take on this at all:
1. Although the views are limited it didn't look like Stearns had enough separation to make that a high percentage throw when you're giving up 7 inches to the DB. Its possible putting it a bit deeper in the end zone might have helped avoid the interception, but I'm not convinced it would have turned it into a touchdown.
2. If you're trying to take a few deep shots to avoid them stuffing the box, you don't wait until there's 2:58 left in the game. At that point your focus should be on making the plays you need to to win the game, not trying to change the behaviour of the Toronto D.
3. It was FIRST DOWN! Give Brady the ball and see what happens. If he gets stuffed, and you really feel you need the touchdown, take a shot on second down if your're going to do it. Maybe Brady get 7 or 8 yards and sets up a second and short.
4. Why the emphasis on trying to get a touchdown at all costs? Up by 13, versus up by 9 with the field goal, its still a 2 possession game, and if you run Brady twice before kicking the field goal, you can probably take another minute off the clock. So you're up by 9, with under 2 minutes left. Pretty good odds.
5. Even if you give Hogan the benefit of the doubt, and assume that all of what he says is true, I don't like the optics of him throwing Streveler under the bus there publicly. Something tells me he'd be more cautious if Collaros had made that throw.
I wonder if O'Shea is completely hands off with rookie OC Hogan's play calling and if he should be, considering the conservative approach he takes to the overall game. Jarious doesn't have a reliable record of winning games either, so not sure how much he can trust him to do the right thing at the right time yet either.
Quote from: bunker on August 04, 2025, 11:46:51 PMI don't like Hogan's take on this at all:
1. Although the views are limited it didn't look like Stearns had enough separation to make that a high percentage throw when you're giving up 7 inches to the DB. Its possible putting it a bit deeper in the end zone might have helped avoid the interception, but I'm not convinced it would have turned it into a touchdown.
I'm fine with a pass on 1st, even here, because every single person in that barn knew we were going to run it. That's when you want to pass. The fact we caught them in 1-on-1 was proof of that. If they want to stuff the box, make them pay. I agree.
I'm not sure I can blame Strev though, as it sure looked like Sterns ran his route as instructed and did a sit down. It wasn't like he was still doing more moves to go to the corner! Ya, Strev probably threw late and a little short. Even a little deeper would have given Sterns a chance to dive behind him, even if still sitting.
MOS/Hogan both said they were fine going for the kill shot. I like the attitude! So little of that missing the last few seasons. Tepid end-of-game calls are what lost '23 & '24 GC. Probably '22 too. See my "Be Bold" thread. In so many cups we'd go run (stuffed) then short curl (miss) then punt/FG. What if we had gone pass on 1st with no one expecting it?
So the pass call was fine, the exact route, the personnel (shrimpken vs giant), and execution stunk. That's why it failed. I get that Sterns was the hot hand, but you
need to chuck it to our "giants", Clercius or Wheatie.
I'd be fine if it was Collaros in there. You love the kill shot when it works.
But with Strev in, with the game he was having. The match-up wasn't there, imo. Everything kind of went against the call.
And Hogan throwing Strev under the bus wasn't super media savvy.
I don't recall a Bomber coach dumping on a player like that. Very obnoxious. Great for morale on offence I'm sure.
And what a weak excuse. The game was over with a field goal.
Has he taken personal responsibility at all for the league worst offence?
This is not typical of O'Shea's team over the years and I don't like it. Wish I hadn't seen this actually.
Quote from: Jesse on August 05, 2025, 01:29:34 PMI'd be fine if it was Collaros in there. You love the kill shot when it works.
But with Strev in, with the game he was having. The match-up wasn't there, imo. Everything kind of went against the call.
And Hogan throwing Strev under the bus wasn't super media savvy.
Another knock on him as OC, IMO. What a bad look for an unproven rookie.
yeah for a team that preaches accountability this is not a good look.
MOS is torn - toss his player under the bus? He usually doesn't do that OR toss your new OC that you hired under the bus...
Likely the correct response would have been: "we need to do much better in the red zone, both from a play call and on field execution. Both needed to be better on that play - we are learning, there was reason for that play call but given a review of the film there could have been better options for the scenario we were in"
The problem with the Streveler play was not as much the call as it was the QB decision to throw the ball.
Zach would have looked at other reads. In that position, you can find an open receiver, eat the ball, or toss it out of bounds. Trying to force it in after staring it down is a rookie mistake a seasoned veteran should never make.
But it is Streveler's modus operandi. He is overconfident in his ability in so many ways that things like this happens.
Don't get me wrong, you NEED confidence to be a QB, and you have to have confidence in your ability to get the ball into a receivers hands. But you need the skill to quickly read a coverage and KNOW your chances of success are small, and the cost of failure is huge.
If the crowd and the D don't kill the series after the pick, we could lose that game.
Something I've taken from the past few games is Nick Arbuckle is a decent QB. He's not a starter, but he's one of the best back-ups in the league. A lot of throws were on the money. It's easy to blame the secondary for getting burned, but a lot of those long throws were perfect. He might be turning into a late bloomer.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 05, 2025, 04:54:47 PMThe problem with the Streveler play was not as much the call as it was the QB decision to throw the ball.
Zach would have looked at other reads. In that position, you can find an open receiver, eat the ball, or toss it out of bounds. Trying to force it in after staring it down is a rookie mistake a seasoned veteran should never make.
But it is Streveler's modus operandi. He is overconfident in his ability in so many ways that things like this happens.
Don't get me wrong, you NEED confidence to be a QB, and you have to have confidence in your ability to get the ball into a receivers hands. But you need the skill to quickly read a coverage and KNOW your chances of success are small, and the cost of failure is huge.
If the crowd and the D don't kill the series after the pick, we could lose that game.
Is it over confidence or pressure to succeed? Strev. seems to put enormous pressure on himself to be able to do anything and is disappointed when he falls short. The last 2 post-game press conferences he looked pretty miserable.
Dinwiddie does an excellent job of prepping and getting the most out of his QBs.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 05, 2025, 05:07:46 PMIs it over confidence or pressure to succeed? Strev. seems to put enormous pressure on himself to be able to do anything and is disappointed when he falls short. The last 2 press conferences he looked pretty miserable.
Are they much different? Either one is bad. If you feel so much pressure that you make bad decisions, that might actually be worse that overconfidence in ability.
I feel for the guy, he's been put in a position he's wanted for years, and the team has managed W's, but not because of him, rather in spite of his play. I'd be miserable too.
I think he's miserable because he isn't happy with his performance. He knows he has to do better, but he keeps making rookie like mistakes that knock him back. I just don't think he has the mental capacity to play the position, and sadly, he's coming to realize that too.
Quote from: dd on August 05, 2025, 05:44:59 PMI think he's miserable because he isn't happy with his performance. He knows he has to do better, but he keeps making rookie like mistakes that knock him back. I just don't think he has the mental capacity to play the position, and sadly, he's coming to realize that too.
I think when he began his pro football career in 2018 he was sure someday he'd become a starter, 7 years into his career that does not look to be a realistic possibility. We have no indication whether the Mafia sees him as the future starter or just another Prukop, there doesn't seem to be a gameplan in play.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 05, 2025, 06:19:59 PMI think when he began his pro football career in 2018 he was sure someday he'd become a starter, 7 years into his career that does not look to be a realistic possibility. We have no indication whether the Mafia sees him as the future starter or just another Prukop, there doesn't seem to be a gameplan in play.
He's already more than demonstrated he's better than a clipboard holder like Prukop.
Is it just me or does it look like Streveler's not being used to his strengths? We saw him look pretty capable and comfortable in week 2, but nothing sustained since. Makes me wonder about the system in place.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 05, 2025, 06:35:11 PMHe's already more than demonstrated he's better than a clipboard holder like Prukop.
Is it just me or does it look like Streveler's not being used to his strengths? We saw him look pretty capable and comfortable in week 2, but nothing sustained since. Makes me wonder about the system in place.
Strev seems to be topping out as a poorer version of Dustin Crum. He's had more opportunity than most backup QB's ever get, and yet has impressed very few with his ability to score points. My reference to Prukop is they're likely to encounter the same fate, life long backup.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 05, 2025, 06:35:11 PMHe's already more than demonstrated he's better than a clipboard holder like Prukop.
Is it just me or does it look like Streveler's not being used to his strengths? We saw him look pretty capable and comfortable in week 2, but nothing sustained since. Makes me wonder about the system in place.
I think in the first game, BC was respecting his ability to run and attempting to shut that down first. But he really doesn't have that going for him anymore and we've already seen the adjustment.
Quote from: Jesse on August 05, 2025, 07:33:06 PMI think in the first game, BC was respecting his ability to run and attempting to shut that down first. But he really doesn't have that going for him anymore and we've already seen the adjustment.
He isn't shy about initiating contact, still packs a wallop and hits like a freight train out there. Lots of players are slow to get up after contact with Streveler. The man is a load.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 05, 2025, 04:54:47 PMThe problem with the Streveler play was not as much the call as it was the QB decision to throw the ball.
Zach would have looked at other reads. In that position, you can find an open receiver, eat the ball, or toss it out of bounds. Trying to force it in after staring it down is a rookie mistake a seasoned veteran should never make.
But it is Streveler's modus operandi. He is overconfident in his ability in so many ways that things like this happens.
Don't get me wrong, you NEED confidence to be a QB, and you have to have confidence in your ability to get the ball into a receivers hands. But you need the skill to quickly read a coverage and KNOW your chances of success are small, and the cost of failure is huge.
If the crowd and the D don't kill the series after the pick, we could lose that game.
Id agree with you except that it happened on first down. We could have run/short pass the ball and run down more clock then made that call if we needed it.
Quote from: peg_city on August 05, 2025, 05:02:58 PMSomething I've taken from the past few games is Nick Arbuckle is a decent QB. He's not a starter, but he's one of the best back-ups in the league. A lot of throws were on the money. It's easy to blame the secondary for getting burned, but a lot of those long throws were perfect. He might be turning into a late bloomer.
He's exactly what he is when he was first doing excellent in CGY, filling in for BLM IRs. If you put him on a top-3 (or top-1!) team and he can run the O and win games. CGY at the time was the league-best team.
TOR is arguably still the league-best team and the team to beat in the GC. Sure, their D is stinky right now, but that O is still very potent. Surely by season end TOR will be a top-3 team.
I think Arbuckle is more like a late-career Kevin Glenn. Good on a good team. Iffy on a bad one.
I still don't think anyone gives him a starting job.
I've been suggesting we move Cooley back to the PR as a ratio alternative elsewhere. I still think that happens. The 2 fumbles are only a partial reason for that idea.
OTOH, he's on ST's for 1 game and Vaval has 2 return TD's. That's a pretty good trade off benefit.
Of course I have no real idea whether Cooley had any impact on either of those TD's. I seem to remember someone suggesting he made a key block on the 1st one.
Sometimes that's a matter of great football IQ and other times it's just random luck. I have no idea which it was, but it's an interesting question / thought.
I like Cooley but it's unfortunate he has the wrong passport. :)
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 05, 2025, 06:35:11 PMHe's already more than demonstrated he's better than a clipboard holder like Prukop.
Is it just me or does it look like Streveler's not being used to his strengths? We saw him look pretty capable and comfortable in week 2, but nothing sustained since. Makes me wonder about the system in place.
Is it Buck we miss??
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2025, 09:48:29 PMI've been suggesting we move Cooley back to the PR as a ratio alternative elsewhere. I still think that happens. The 2 fumbles are only a partial reason for that idea.
OTOH, he's on ST's for 1 game and Vaval has 2 return TD's. That's a pretty good trade off benefit.
Of course I have no real idea whether Cooley had any impact on either of those TD's. I seem to remember someone suggesting he made a key block on the 1st one.
Sometimes that's a matter of great football IQ and other times it's just random luck. I have no idea which it was, but it's an interesting question / thought.
I like Cooley but it's unfortunate he has the wrong passport. :)
Cooley snuck on in one random game when we had a bunch of injuries. I fully expect him to be the first one sent back. It was weird that he hot on in the first place.
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2025, 10:20:34 PMCooley snuck on in one random game when we had a bunch of injuries. I fully expect him to be the first one sent back. It was weird that he hot on in the first place.
You never know maybe he needed a game cheque to make some car repairs or had to send some extra money home. If I was in Wade's shoes I'd slip the PR players an extra $1k in cash every month, as long as they didn't mention it to Walters. At the standard PR rate of pay, these guys aren't living any better than they did when they were students attending college.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2025, 10:54:38 PMYou never know maybe he needed a game cheque to make some car repairs or had to send some extra money home. If I was in Wade's shoes I'd slip the PR players an extra $1k in cash every month, as long as they didn't mention it to Walters. At the standard PR rate of pay, these guys aren't living any better than they did when they were students attending college.
I hope roster decisions aren't being made by players financial needs.
Quote from: bluebeard on August 07, 2025, 10:03:47 PMIs it Buck we miss??
I mean, he was certainly the more seasoned coordinator, not to mention having actually played as a QB.
Not sure that explains all of the issues with the offense so far this season, though.
Quote from: bluebeard on August 07, 2025, 10:03:47 PMIs it Buck we miss??
LOL Hell no, we just got rid of him!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2025, 10:54:38 PMYou never know maybe he needed a game cheque to make some car repairs or had to send some extra money home. If I was in Wade's shoes I'd slip the PR players an extra $1k in cash every month, as long as they didn't mention it to Walters. At the standard PR rate of pay, these guys aren't living any better than they did when they were students attending college.
There is no difference in giving a player a game cheque or a PR cheque, they can be for the same $ and hit the same on $SMS. The difference is who you have available on game day.
No way does a team put a player on the AR just to slip him some extra bucks. Sorry.
Any player on an ELC or PR deal is not here for the money, he's here for the opportunity. The moment they see that opportunity disappear, you can bet they'd move on. Bridges might be the most recent example of that, not thinking that he could earn his way back off the PR. At least not here.
The game check is going to be a heck of a lot more aards. Some players may be given more on the PR if we really want them around, or they're just there for a week, but I'm sure most are getting the mandated minimum.