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Title: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 05:45:34 PM
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Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 05:46:09 PM
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Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 05:46:21 PM
Veteran centre Peter Godber to make Ottawa Redblacks debut against Calgary
By 3Down Staff -July 30, 2025

Veteran centre Peter Godber will make his debut with the Ottawa Redblacks when they host the Calgary Stampeders on Thursday night.

The 31-year-old blocker signed with the Redblacks as a free agent in February after spending the last two seasons with the Saskatchewan Roughriders, starting 27 games at centre. The native of Toronto, Ont. was originally a first-round pick in the 2018 CFL Draft out of Rice University and dressed for 44 regular-season games with the B.C. Lions.

The Redblacks had Jacob Ruby start the first seven games of the season at centre but he has now been moved to a depth role behind Dariusz Bladek at right guard. Right tackle Zack Pelehos will be a game-time decision after being a limited participant in practice this week due to a foot injury.

Ottawa has also placed veteran defensive tackle Cleyon Laing on the one-game injured listed. Former second-round draft pick Daniel Okpoko will start in his place, though he has been listed as a game-time decision due to an ankle injury.

Veteran receiver Bralon Addison and cornerback C.J. Coldon will return to the lineup after stints on the injured list. Addison has caught 21 passes for 220 yards and one touchdown over four games this season, while Coldon made 22 defensive tackles, one special teams tackle, and two interceptions over six starts.

The Ottawa Redblacks (1-6) will host the Calgary Stampeders (5-2) at TD Place Stadium on Thursday, July 31 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT. The Stampeders are coming off a narrow home loss to the Montreal Alouettes, while the Redblacks were on a bye week.

The weather forecast in Ottawa calls for a high of 24 degrees and sunny conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 770 CHQR in Calgary and TSN 1200 in Ottawa.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/30/veteran-centre-peter-godber-to-make-ottawa-redblacks-debut-against-calgary/
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 05:46:38 PM
Calgary Stampeders to start P.J. Walker, move Vernon Adams Jr. to one-game injured list
By 3Down Staff -July 30, 2025

P.J. Walker will make his first career regular-season CFL start on Thursday night when the Calgary Stampeders visit the Ottawa Redblacks.

The longtime NFL journeyman entered last week's loss to the Montreal Alouettes and completed three-of-seven pass attempts for 20 yards in a relief effort. He dressed as the backup to Vernon Adams Jr. for the first seven games of the season.

The 30-year-old made nine starts in the NFL as a member of the Carolina Panthers and Cleveland Browns, posting a 5-4 record while throwing for 2,135 yards, six touchdowns, and 16 interceptions. In 2020, he led the XFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns as a member of the Houston Roughnecks, amassing 1,338 yards, 15 touchdowns, and four interceptions in five games.

On Tuesday, head coach and general manager Dave Dickenson indicated the team was "still holding out hope" that Adams Jr. would play. The veteran quarterback exited last week's loss to the Montreal Alouettes late in the third quarter after scrambling for a seven-yard gain. The 32-year-old took a glancing blow to the head as he was sandwiched between linebackers Darnell Sankey and Tyrice Beverette and was pulled by the concussion spotter.

Adams Jr., who has been moved to the one-game injured list, has thrown for 1,913 yards, nine touchdowns, and six interceptions this season, his first in Calgary. He has also rushed for 139 yards and one score. The passer was a limited participant in practice on Sunday and Tuesday and a non-participant on Monday.

The Stampeders have also moved starting Canadian receivers Jalen Philpot (hamstring) and Damien Alford (hamstring) to the one-game injured list. Former NFL receiver Daylen Baldwin will start in place of Philpot at field-side slotback, while Vyshonne Janusas will start at the other field-side slotback position. The five-foot-ten, 221-pound native of Windsor, Ont. was a fifth-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft out of the University of Guelph.

Adrian Greene, who has recorded four interceptions at field-side cornerback this season, is listed as a game-time decision due to a lower leg injury. Joshua Coker will return to his starting spot at right tackle after being unable to play in last week's loss to Montreal.

The Calgary Stampeders (5-2) will visit the Ottawa Redblacks (1-6) at TD Place Stadium on Thursday, July 31 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT. The Stampeders are coming off a narrow home loss to the Montreal Alouettes, while the Redblacks were on a bye week.

The weather forecast in Ottawa calls for a high of 24 degrees and sunny conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 770 CHQR in Calgary and TSN 1200 in Ottawa.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/30/calgary-stampeders-to-start-p-j-walker-move-vernon-adams-jr-to-one-game-injured-list/
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 05:46:38 PMCalgary Stampeders to start P.J. Walker, move Vernon Adams Jr. to one-game injured list
By 3Down Staff -July 30, 2025

P.J. Walker will make his first career regular-season CFL start on Thursday night when the Calgary Stampeders visit the Ottawa Redblacks.

The longtime NFL journeyman entered last week's loss to the Montreal Alouettes and completed three-of-seven pass attempts for 20 yards in a relief effort. He dressed as the backup to Vernon Adams Jr. for the first seven games of the season.

The 30-year-old made nine starts in the NFL as a member of the Carolina Panthers and Cleveland Browns, posting a 5-4 record while throwing for 2,135 yards, six touchdowns, and 16 interceptions. In 2020, he led the XFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns as a member of the Houston Roughnecks, amassing 1,338 yards, 15 touchdowns, and four interceptions in five games.

On Tuesday, head coach and general manager Dave Dickenson indicated the team was "still holding out hope" that Adams Jr. would play. The veteran quarterback exited last week's loss to the Montreal Alouettes late in the third quarter after scrambling for a seven-yard gain. The 32-year-old took a glancing blow to the head as he was sandwiched between linebackers Darnell Sankey and Tyrice Beverette and was pulled by the concussion spotter.

Adams Jr., who has been moved to the one-game injured list, has thrown for 1,913 yards, nine touchdowns, and six interceptions this season, his first in Calgary. He has also rushed for 139 yards and one score. The passer was a limited participant in practice on Sunday and Tuesday and a non-participant on Monday.

The Stampeders have also moved starting Canadian receivers Jalen Philpot (hamstring) and Damien Alford (hamstring) to the one-game injured list. Former NFL receiver Daylen Baldwin will start in place of Philpot at field-side slotback, while Vyshonne Janusas will start at the other field-side slotback position. The five-foot-ten, 221-pound native of Windsor, Ont. was a fifth-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft out of the University of Guelph.

Adrian Greene, who has recorded four interceptions at field-side cornerback this season, is listed as a game-time decision due to a lower leg injury. Joshua Coker will return to his starting spot at right tackle after being unable to play in last week's loss to Montreal.

The Calgary Stampeders (5-2) will visit the Ottawa Redblacks (1-6) at TD Place Stadium on Thursday, July 31 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT. The Stampeders are coming off a narrow home loss to the Montreal Alouettes, while the Redblacks were on a bye week.

The weather forecast in Ottawa calls for a high of 24 degrees and sunny conditions. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 770 CHQR in Calgary and TSN 1200 in Ottawa.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/30/calgary-stampeders-to-start-p-j-walker-move-vernon-adams-jr-to-one-game-injured-list/

Woe-woe-wee-woe!  PJ Walker doesn't know what he's seeing yet, look for the Stamps to go all in on running the ball.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 30, 2025, 06:41:26 PM
RBs will get throttled here.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Jesse on July 30, 2025, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 30, 2025, 06:41:26 PMRBs will get throttled here.

Druski has to drag them to a couple of wins.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 30, 2025, 06:41:26 PMRBs will get throttled here.

Walker starting and Calgary has a bunch of injuries at receiver.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 30, 2025, 07:58:53 PM
Oh ya forgot VAJ is out.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 08:26:09 AM
How many times have we seen this in the last 2 seasons.  Top-3 team loses their QB and they easily beat down inferior teams.  Ok, normally it's not a nobody raw CFL rookie like CGY seems to have thought was the ticket as the backup this season (probably just no money left!)...

I remember MTL and TOR winning games everyone thought would be lost when their QB went down (cough cough GC anyone?).  The top level teams not only find a way, they usually clobber the weaklings.  CGY is THE top level team.  (for the time being...)

Besides, what's the O/U on Q's until Dru gets IRd again, eh?
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 31, 2025, 11:29:15 PM
markonfootball  @Markonfootball
Late roster move by @calstampeders.  DB Adrian Greene has been moved to the one-game injured list. DB Dolani Robinson has been activated from the practice roster. DB Godrey Onyeka starts in Greenes' spot
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 31, 2025, 11:45:11 PM
Crum caught a pass a receiver. Havent seen 2 QBs used too much since they changed the rules.
 
Strevy did have to line up as receiver in tele past due to injuries.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 11:52:48 PM
Parades can't kick long, never could.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 11:56:12 PM
Should have taken the under.  This is one of those games... A team with a half decent O but no D, and a team with no O and an unmovable D.

Stalemate.

PJ is looking not too shabby so far.  At least better than his relief attempt last week.  But run the darn ball more CGY!!!!

Mills enters the game at 8:00 Q1.  What's up with that?  Antwi won't do anything, at least not until the D is tired.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 11:57:45 PM
Wow, OTT is stuffing the box and prioritizing run.  They aren't stupid.  If CGY can't run then PJ will have to make some passes.  Then give him more screens and curls.

Although he has 2 nice mid zone hits already!  He seems unable to grok the outside angle throws, so keep it in the middle.

OTT will be in trouble if this new dude can connect on the deep shots.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 12:16:20 AM
PJ can sling it...prob like Terry Wilson can..this is likely what we would get with him.  good  strong throws and bad picks
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 12:17:42 AM
Nice pick!
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 12:38:49 AM
Redblacks playing well and have a lead late in the first half. I'm surprised. Go RBs Go! LOL!
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: bunker on August 01, 2025, 12:42:24 AM
Brown looking pretty good. A generally good Calgary D looked like our secondary on that last TD. Adams is much better than PJ Walker although at least one incompletion was on the receiver.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Strevy on August 01, 2025, 12:42:38 AM
Brown is 100x better than Zach.  They set the club back 5+ years by letting him go.  Huge mistake.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 12:45:52 AM
Call me crazy, but is Glenn Suitor actually providing some decent commentary and analysis this game?

I don't recall ever enjoying listening to Suitor (that's putting it mildly), yet today he's showing how the D coverage is breaking down, etc.

I think he's actually contributing instead of finding some random topic to muse upon for multiple series (ignoring what's going on in the game at the time), or cheerleading for the riders.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 12:46:56 AM
calgary goes for it on a questionable call and penalty bails them out. 

Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 12:47:41 AM
ball don't lie

guy that took the penalty - makes a play and picks it off
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 12:49:26 AM
flag fest is bailing everyone out...calgary makes a pick and penalty overturns it.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 12:49:59 AM
Quote from: Strevy on August 01, 2025, 12:42:38 AMBrown is 100x better than Zach.  They set the club back 5+ years by letting him go.  Huge mistake.

I know everyone has said to ignore this type of commentary, but really - how does anyone actually post this and hope to be taken seriously?

I hope Brown has a successful and long career (except against us, unless he someday plays for us again).  At the time he left, there is no way any sane person could argue he was the better qb.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: bunker on August 01, 2025, 12:52:57 AM
I think Brown would look different with our receivers, O-line and OC. And not in a good way.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 12:45:52 AMCall me crazy, but is Glenn Suitor actually providing some decent commentary and analysis this game?

I don't recall ever enjoying listening to Suitor (that's putting it mildly), yet today he's showing how the D coverage is breaking down, etc.

I think he's actually contributing instead of finding some random topic to muse upon for multiple series (ignoring what's going on in the game at the time), or cheerleading for the riders.
He knows the game, that's not the knock on him, it's the meandering all over the place often on non-football topics. He has a knack for stating the obvious and he often fails to pay enough attention to know what's going on. For example, his bewilderment on the offside call against Calgary when Brown knew he had a free shot and threw a pick. Everyone knew Calgary had jumped, except him. He's brutal.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 01:04:27 AM
Quote from: J5V on August 01, 2025, 12:57:58 AMHe knows the game, that's not the knock on him, it's the meandering all over the place often on non-football topics. He has a knack for stating the obvious and he often fails to pay enough attention to know what's going on. For example, his bewilderment on the offside call against Calgary when Brown knew he had a free shot and threw a pick. Everyone knew Calgary had jumped, except him. He's brutal.

Thank you - you stated that much better than I had.  That's a perfect summary of what I've noticed for the part of the game I've been watching tonite - not stating the obvious and being aware of what is going on in the game more than I've noticed in the past.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: bunker on August 01, 2025, 01:08:59 AM
Quote from: J5V on August 01, 2025, 12:57:58 AMHe knows the game, that's not the knock on him, it's the meandering all over the place often on non-football topics. He has a knack for stating the obvious and he often fails to pay enough attention to know what's going on. For example, his bewilderment on the offside call against Calgary when Brown knew he had a free shot and threw a pick. Everyone knew Calgary had jumped, except him. He's brutal.

If you watch that play with Orimolade, he moved prior to the snap but did not seem to actually move his feet into the one yard restraining zone. Suitor looked at the replay, and said "he definitely moved", but he's not an o-lineman, he can move as long as he stays one yard off the ball. Not sure what's going through Suitor's mind sometimes. IMO he's the worst of Ford, LaPolice and Dunigan, who I miss.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 01:11:51 AM
Quote from: bunker on August 01, 2025, 01:08:59 AMIf you watch that play with Orimolade, he moved prior to the snap but did not seem to actually move his feet into the one yard restraining zone. Suitor looked at the replay, and said "he definitely moved", but he's not an o-lineman, he can move as long as he stays one yard off the ball. Not sure what's going through Suitor's mind sometimes. IMO he's the worst of Ford, LaPolice and Dunigan, who I miss.

Couldn't agree more with the last sentence - LaPo is awesome for breakdown and education.  Dunigan I miss terribly, and Ford - well, he's not Suitor.

Has anyone heard anything about Dunigan yet? 
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 01:28:57 AM
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 01:11:51 AMHas anyone heard anything about Dunigan yet? 
I have not and must admit I'd love to know what really happened.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: bunker on August 01, 2025, 01:33:36 AM
Calgary kind of looks like us, failing in all 3 phases. What's going on with Paredes?
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 01:42:18 AM
Quote from: J5V on August 01, 2025, 12:57:58 AMHe knows the game, that's not the knock on him, it's the meandering all over the place often on non-football topics. He has a knack for stating the obvious and he often fails to pay enough attention to know what's going on. For example, his bewilderment on the offside call against Calgary when Brown knew he had a free shot and threw a pick. Everyone knew Calgary had jumped, except him. He's brutal.

And then Suitor talks about ending a quarter on a penalty, then at least catching himself realizing it is the half or game where you can't end on a penalty.  At least he caught it and chuckled a bit.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 02:06:13 AM
so Calgary is "human" and not grey cup champions in July...

playing Qb in the CFL is hard and when you have injuries the replacements are rarely better than the injured player. 
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 02:07:32 AM
I see quite a few of you picked Ottawa to win this one. Well done! I didn't see it coming even though Ottawa also beat them in week 3.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:20:54 AM
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 01:42:18 AMAnd then Suitor talks about ending a quarter on a penalty, then at least catching himself realizing it is the half or game where you can't end on a penalty.  At least he caught it and chuckled a bit.
And suitor is wrong about that, a team can decline whatever foul was committed against them and end the half or game. It is not mandatory to redo the play
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 02:22:59 AM
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:20:54 AMAnd suitor is wrong about that, a team can decline whatever foul was committed against them and end the half or game. It is not mandatory to redo the play

Haha - never even thought about that option!  Although technically, it still isn't ending on a penalty if the penalty is declined.  So thinking it through - the half or game still can't be ended on a penalty.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:29:41 AM
Yes it does. Say team A on offense, has too many men on the field so they draw the foul, but throw and incomplete pass, team B declines the too many men (why give them another shot at scoring) and half/game is over.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:30:26 AM
Quote from: bunker on August 01, 2025, 12:42:24 AMBrown looking pretty good. A generally good Calgary D looked like our secondary on that last TD. Adams is much better than PJ Walker although at least one incompletion was on the receiver.

Walker is the typical noob, strong-arm QB from down south: guns every throw in at full speed then wonders why half are dropped.

You need to have touch in the CFL, like BLM & VAJ and even Zach.  If the guy is wide open in the zone, you don't need to knife it in.  Feather it a bit.  Make it catchable.

In the the NFL the talent is so high those guys catch every heater, but not here.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:31:54 AM
PJ was really good on the middle throws.  He was brutal and got eaten alive on anything on the edge.  Also pretty normal of a CFL rookie, having no clue how wide the field is and how DBs can close in time.

CGY did not have a good game plan going into this game.  They basically had PJ try all of the VAJ throws/plays.  Bad move.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:32:52 AM
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 12:45:52 AMCall me crazy, but is Glenn Suitor actually providing some decent commentary and analysis this game?

I don't know about Suits being better with his commentary, but is it just me or did he get a major hair dye job.  Usually dark brown now looks reddish?  Pretty sure he's too old for that.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: bunker on August 01, 2025, 01:08:59 AMIf you watch that play with Orimolade, he moved prior to the snap but did not seem to actually move his feet into the one yard restraining zone.

The rules don't really limit offside to feet.  However, they often let helmets slide.  But when half your body is over (with no feet), it's often (usually?) called.

I yelled OS live, and I confirmed it on the replay.  The live shot was better because it was more a down the line view.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:37:12 AM
Don't think I've ever seen IC called behind the LoS before!  Once in a blue moon you get a DPI call, but not IC.

Speaking of which, that was a question/beef of mine I think last year when I think SSK was ICing our screen guy behind the LoS.  They didn't call anything that time.

I got the feeling refs were really helping out OTT tonight.  Tons of iffy ICs: probably 3X more ICs than CGY has ever gotten flagged for this season in a single game.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:40:21 AM
I can understand CGY's O looking bad.  No qb.  2/3rds of the real RECs out.  OTT saying "no run".

But why did CGY's D look so bad?  This is still OTT they were facing.  I just don't get it.

The ToP was pretty even, so there's no "tired" excuse.  This is the CGY D that even the best teams had trouble moving the ball against.  This is the CGY D that made us a laughing stock.

So how could this D suddenly be so bad that OTT(!!) was effortlessly moving the ball for TDs (until OTT shifted to prevent-O)?  OTT!  Once again: OTT!
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 02:42:39 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:37:12 AMDon't think I've ever seen IC called behind the LoS before!  Once in a blue moon you get a DPI call, but not IC.

Speaking of which, that was a question/beef of mine I think last year when I think SSK was ICing our screen guy behind the LoS.  They didn't call anything that time.

I got the feeling refs were really helping out OTT tonight.  Tons of iffy ICs: probably 3X more ICs than CGY has ever gotten flagged for this season in a single game.

Agree and one of my peeves is due to my belief (tinfoil hat time) that the officials think it is their job to call the game ensuring a level of "parity" across the league. We've been victim of that many times in the last 5 years, IMO.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 02:46:04 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:40:21 AMI can understand CGY's O looking bad.  No qb.  2/3rds of the real RECs out.  OTT saying "no run".

But why did CGY's D look so bad?  This is still OTT they were facing.  I just don't get it.

The ToP was pretty even, so there's no "tired" excuse.  This is the CGY D that even the best teams had trouble moving the ball against.  This is the CGY D that made us a laughing stock.

So how could this D suddenly be so bad that OTT(!!) was effortlessly moving the ball for TDs (until OTT shifted to prevent-O)?  OTT!  Once again: OTT!

Yep. A complete mystery to me as well but quite a few of us (not me unfortunately) saw this RB victory coming. 

Did I hear correctly that this is something like 5 RB wins in a row against the Stamps? If true that's crazy!
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 02:48:26 AM
Quote from: J5V on August 01, 2025, 02:42:39 AMAgree and one of my peeves is due to my belief (tinfoil hat time) that the officials think it is their job to call the game ensuring a level of "parity" across the league. We've been victim of that many times in the last 5 years, IMO.

Tinfoil hat or no, it does seem that way.

Today's game seemed to fall in Ottawa's favor for calls.  Commentary didn't pick up on it (of course).  There were two intentional grounding incidents by Brown that were never even discussed.  They may not have been actual penalties, I didn't rewind to look exactly.  The first was discussed a bit and said there was someone in the area (not good enough to negate the grounding, but also not enough to overturn on replay), but the second never got mentioned at all and was probably worse.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 01, 2025, 02:48:54 AM
Fairly impressive performance from Ottawa, Bombers can't afford to take them lightly when they show up in 2 weels as they completely shut down the Stamps run game.  Hopefully Zach is back before then. 

Dru Brown should not be left alone with an empty backfield, he needs constant protection as almost every game he gets thrown around like a rag-doll a couple of times. He plays like a very small QB, sort of reminds me of Kevin Glenn in that way.  Remember whenever Glenn was cornered he'd turtle to avoid absorbing damage, not the worst strategy if you want to remain healthy.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:53:05 AM
As long as the ball is thrown beyond the LOS, there doesn't have to be a player in the area, and is no foul
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 02:54:02 AM
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 02:48:26 AMThere were two intentional grounding incidents by Brown that were never even discussed.

CFL will allow you to avoid IG if any eligible is anywhere even remotely around the play, especially if they're looking for the ball.

That said, the one that Dru shoveled forward really looked like IG to me.  Ya, an eligible was 5Y away, but Dru was just shoveling it to get it away from himself before the sack.  (Oh ya, and of course, it was nowhere near passing the LoS.)

I too get the impression the refs wanted to help OTT not be embarrassed again (and at home).  Every iffy thing went their way.  Every iffy thing went against CGY.  It doesn't have to be a grand conspiracy either: a couple of homer or east-biased refs could just give OTT that extra bit of leeway.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: bunker on August 01, 2025, 03:03:51 AM
Obviously a rough game for PJ Walker, but I can see why Dickenson was interested in him. He's got a strong arm, and good escapability in the pocket. He needs to be more accurate with his throws and improve his reading of a defence, but he's had limited exposure to CFL defences. Be interesting to see if he develops up here or not.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:53:05 AMAs long as the ball is thrown beyond the LOS, there doesn't have to be a player in the area, and is no foul

The examples cited were nowhere near reaching the LoS.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:09:04 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 01, 2025, 02:48:54 AMFairly impressive performance from Ottawa, Bombers can't afford to take them lightly when they show up in 2 weels as they completely shut down the Stamps run game.  Hopefully Zach is back before then. 

I'm not sure WPG can keep up with any team right now.  Maybe EDM.  Maybe.  OTT playing like that will eviscerate us in our current state.

And us vs a good team?   Pffft, that will be a laugh and a half!
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 03:17:53 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:09:04 AMI'm not sure WPG can keep up with any team right now.  Maybe EDM.  Maybe.  OTT playing like that will eviscerate us in our current state.

And us vs a good team?  Pffft, that will be a laugh and a half!
That's a pretty gloomy take on the state of our club. You could be right but I'm hoping against it. We may surprise you yet.   :D
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:57:05 AM
Quote from: J5V on August 01, 2025, 03:17:53 AMThat's a pretty gloomy take on the state of our club. You could be right but I'm hoping against it. We may surprise you yet.  :D

Well, the only solution is change.  And we've started that process, with lots of movement at many positions.  That's a first step.  I have total faith that enough strategic changes will get us to that cup this year.  I've listed them out elsewhere, like 2-4 guys/positions tops.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 01, 2025, 04:20:49 AM
Quote from: bunker on August 01, 2025, 03:03:51 AMObviously a rough game for PJ Walker, but I can see why Dickenson was interested in him. He's got a strong arm, and good escapability in the pocket. He needs to be more accurate with his throws and improve his reading of a defence, but he's had limited exposure to CFL defences. Be interesting to see if he develops up here or not.

The history of the CFL is littered with athletic QB prospects like PJ Walker, mobile QB's with great arms who never figure out how to read a defence properly. A bit early to write him off for sure as some eventually graduate like VA did, but most never figure it out and forever remain super athletic SY backups like Kyrie Adams, Caleb Evans, Taylor Cornelius and Dom Davis....Tre Ford??? 
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Stats Junkie on August 01, 2025, 05:34:42 AM
Quote from: bunker on August 01, 2025, 01:33:36 AMWhat's going on with Paredes?
Backup long snapper
Alternating holders

Paredes is 10/15 in 5 games with Fraser Masin as holder

Paredes is 3/3 in 4 games with Mark Vassett as holder.

I think Vassett has done a better job as punter for the Stampeders.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Stats Junkie on August 01, 2025, 05:40:54 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 11:52:48 PMParades can't kick long, never could.
Fact check

Rene Paredes is now 68.2% from 50+ yards in his career which is the 4th best all time in CFL history

Paredes is also the only CFL kicker above 80% from the 40-49 range.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 05:48:28 AM
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 01, 2025, 05:40:54 AMFact check

By "long", I didn't mean 40-49.  Those should be automatic.

Parades was rarely hauled out to kick the huge ones.  Yes, for his whole career.  Dickenson The Greater would just punt or gamble.

How many 50-55's, 55-60's and 60+ has he attempted?  How many made?

Yes, that's not all on him, it's his HC's choice, but I'm sure the HC bases his squeamishness on Parades' capability.

Compare with how often MOS would haul out Meddie or Castillo for 50+... especially 55+... MOS hauls out for 55 like most HCs haul out for 45!!

P.S. Didn't TSN just say Maltos is 90% (overall) this season? ... or has he just been particularly unlucky with 40-49 (which should even out over the season if he's elite now)?
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Jesse on August 01, 2025, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 05:48:28 AMBy "long", I didn't mean 40-49.  Those should be automatic.

Parades was rarely hauled out to kick the huge ones.  Yes, for his whole career.  Dickenson The Greater would just punt or gamble.

How many 50-55's, 55-60's and 60+ has he attempted?  How many made?

Yes, that's not all on him, it's his HC's choice, but I'm sure the HC bases his squeamishness on Parades' capability.

Compare with how often MOS would haul out Meddie or Castillo for 50+... especially 55+... MOS hauls out for 55 like most HCs haul out for 45!!

P.S. Didn't TSN just say Maltos is 90% (overall) this season? ... or has he just been particularly unlucky with 40-49 (which should even out over the season if he's elite now)?


I think your expectations are a little skewed. They seem to be expecting hall of fame numbers as the norm.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2025, 01:50:36 PM
That was not the outcome I expected - at all.

Nicely done, RedBlacks.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Blue In BC on August 01, 2025, 05:20:02 PM
The Stamps and Bombers now have the same number of losses. We need to close the gap and win against the Argos. Then we play the Stamps the following week. I know they have the season series, but 2 Bomber wins in a row would look pretty good about now.

Hamilton plays Edmonton then the Lions. I'll be cheering the TiCats on in both games. So the next two weeks could really define the standings.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Jesse on August 01, 2025, 05:48:23 PM
Beating the Argos also clears the way for a crossover spot, if it should come to that.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: markf on August 01, 2025, 07:36:30 PM
Ottawa O line looked quite good.. against a good D line.

New centre I guess really helped.

They ran the ball effectively and Dru mostly had time to throw.

They have very good d players, maybe they will turn it around. Good start.

And Calgary looked ordinary.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: RebusRankin on August 01, 2025, 08:10:11 PM
To be fair, Calgary was missing their starting QB and 4 starting WRs in Begelton, Barnes, Alford and Philpott.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: The Zipp on August 01, 2025, 08:52:10 PM
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 01, 2025, 08:10:11 PMTo be fair, Calgary was missing their starting QB and 4 starting WRs in Begelton, Barnes, Alford and Philpott.

exactly.  and they only ran Mills 7 times so maybe he was hurting as well.

still good for us though
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: bomb squad on August 01, 2025, 09:10:44 PM
Opinions on the play if PJ Walker? Does he have a future in the CFL? I think he might. He obviously has to clean up the picks. But I liked the zip on the ball and the mobility. He was short on experienced receivers too, which didn't help.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: Jesse on August 01, 2025, 12:44:29 PMI think your expectations are a little skewed. They seem to be expecting hall of fame numbers as the norm.
You have to forgive Tecno for his take on kickers. He was spoiled by Justin Medlock and now Castillo which makes noodle-legged kickers like Paredes look ... normal.  :P
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TBURGESS on August 01, 2025, 10:34:22 PM
Walker has a big arm and throws a nice looking pass. He mostly made the right reads and delivered the ball to the open guy. His stats would have been much better if his receivers could catch the ball. He can run, but he didn't do enough of it last night. Hint: If you want the D to flow with the QB on the RPO, the QB has to run the ball a few times.

His accuracy isn't up to contemporary professional standards. For example, he had a wide open receiver behind coverage and threw it behind him. That single play would have been a 70ish yard TD pass.

I'd have to see him play a few more times to get a better understanding of what he can really do, but from what I've seen, I think he's got a chance in the CFL.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: J5V on August 01, 2025, 10:41:35 PM
Quote from: bomb squad on August 01, 2025, 09:10:44 PMOpinions on the play if PJ Walker? Does he have a future in the CFL? I think he might. He obviously has to clean up the picks. But I liked the zip on the ball and the mobility. He was short on experienced receivers too, which didn't help.
I thought he could have done more with his legs but he was determined to stand in there and chuck it.

He's got a good arm, a smooth delivery, and fired off a few Patriot missiles at close range. Tough for any receiver to handle. He was missing the touch on the wide-outs and the deep balls but I suspect that'll come as he gets used to the size of the CFL field.

Hard to judge from a small sample size but I thought he showed promise. It'll be easier to tell if we get to see him a few more times to see how well he adjusts.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 01, 2025, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: J5V on August 01, 2025, 10:41:35 PMI thought he could have done more with his legs but he was determined to stand in there and chuck it.

He's got a good arm, a smooth delivery, and fired off a few Patriot missiles at close range. Tough for any receiver to handle. He was missing the touch on the wide-outs and the deep balls but I suspect that'll come as he gets used to the size of the CFL field.

Hard to judge from a small sample size but I thought he showed promise. It'll be easier to tell if we get to see him a few more times to see how well he adjusts.

Walker was around late last season with the Stamps, so he's not a pure rookie, he had the entire off-season to learn the game.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: Jesse on August 01, 2025, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: bomb squad on August 01, 2025, 09:10:44 PMOpinions on the play if PJ Walker? Does he have a future in the CFL? I think he might. He obviously has to clean up the picks. But I liked the zip on the ball and the mobility. He was short on experienced receivers too, which didn't help.

Story as old as time.

30 year old NFL journeyman comes on with expectations. Fails to perform. Maybe shows promise but at that age, no one will invest the time needed before their skills start to degrade.
Title: Re: GDT Cgy at Ott, Thu July 31, 6:30PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 02, 2025, 07:55:06 AM
Quote from: bomb squad on August 01, 2025, 09:10:44 PMOpinions on the play if PJ Walker? Does he have a future in the CFL? I think he might. He obviously has to clean up the picks. But I liked the zip on the ball and the mobility. He was short on experienced receivers too, which didn't help.

a) Every ball is a heater.  We've seen this a lot from NFL-heavy guys.  CFL RECs aren't as good, you need to adjust the heat on every throw, and use the zip only for the knife-ins and 60Yers.  If he can't adjust this, he'll be useless in the CFL.

b) Horribly inaccurate on the wide outs and anything horizontal.  Not used to the 60Y, maybe has angle calculation brain problems.  We've seen this at times from many QBs: sometimes fixed, sometimes not.

c) Inaccurate to a fast moving target (the behind throws).  Fixable?

d) Seems to think it's all a game or joke, based on the looks on his face.  Glad he's "just having fun out there", and he's probably even been told to; but at some point you have to care more, or you're another Johnny Football.

Summation: We've seen his type before, and they usually don't stick.  If anyone can QB Whisper him to success, it's Dickenson TG.  30/70 he becomes "good".