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Title: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 26, 2025, 09:01:52 PM
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Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 26, 2025, 09:02:49 PM
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Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 26, 2025, 09:03:01 PM
B.C. Lions without starting DB Jalon Edwards-Cooper against Ticats
By 3Down Staff -July 26, 2025

The B.C. Lions will be missing one of their starting defensive backs when they take on the league's hottest passing attack on Sunday.

Boundary halfback Jalon Edwards-Cooper has been placed on the one-game injured list after being limited in practice this week by a knee injury. The 28-year-old, who is in his fifth season with the Lions, has played all seven games for the team this year, recording 15 defensive tackles.

Rookie American Travian Blaylock will make his CFL debut in that vacant starting role, a notable achievement given that he only started two games during his collegiate career at Wisconsin. The five-foot-11, 197-pound DB returned to the team earlier this month after originally being cut in training camp.

The Lions will get a boost to their pass rush this week, as defensive tackle DeWayne Hendrix returns from a thigh injury. In four games to start the year, the veteran offseason addition recorded nine defensive tackles and three sacks. Tomasi Laulile, who made four tackles in three games as his replacement, will go to the one-game injured list due to a knee issue.

One change not made due to injury comes on the offensive line, where former first-round CFL Draft pick Anu Una has been benched in favour of rookie American Ilm Manning at right guard. B.C. will once again be starting just one Canadian along the offensive line for this game, centre Michael Couture.

The B.C. Lions (3-4) will host the Hamilton Tiger-Cats (4-2) at BC Place Stadium on Sunday, July 27 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Tiger-Cats are coming off a one-sided win over the Ottawa Redblacks, while the Lions are coming off a 33-27 home loss to the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton and 730 CKNW in Vancouver.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/26/b-c-lions-without-starting-db-jalon-edwards-cooper-against-ticats/
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 26, 2025, 09:03:12 PM
Hamilton Tiger-Cats place DL TyJuan Garbutt on six-game injured list
By 3Down Staff -July 26, 2025

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats have lost one of their starting defensive ends long-term ahead of their matchup with the B.C. Lions.

TyJuan Garbutt has been placed on the six-game injured list after suffering a knee injury last week. The 26-year-old has appeared in every game for the Ticats this year, recording nine defensive tackles, one sack, and one forced fumble.

The Virginia Tech product signed with Hamilton in free agency after spending the last two seasons with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, compiling 20 defensive tackles, three sacks, a forced fumble and a defensive touchdown in 13 games. He will be replaced by rookie American edge rusher Philip Ossai, who is making his first career start.

Also out this week is starting left tackle Jordan Murray, who has been placed on the one-game injured list with a knee issue. Brendan Bordner, who started 16 games as a rookie last season, will step in after missing the past two games as a healthy scratch. Fullback and short-yardage specialist Ante Milanovic-Litre (hamstring) will also miss time, with Canadian linebacker Daniel Kwamou dressing for ratio reasons.

Returning to the field is starting running back Greg Bell, who has been in and out of the lineup with a rib issue. He has carried the ball 24 times for 108 yards and one touchdown in three games this year, adding 15 receptions for 95 yards through the air. Backup Treshaun Ward, who scored his first career touchdown last week, has been returned to the practice roster.

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats (4-2) will visit the B.C. Lions (3-4) at BC Place Stadium on Sunday, July 27 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Tiger-Cats are coming off a one-sided win over the Ottawa Redblacks, while the Lions are coming off a 33-27 home loss to the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton and 730 CKNW in Vancouver.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/26/hamilton-tiger-cats-place-dl-tyjuan-garbutt-on-six-game-injured-list/
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 10:09:42 PM
oskee weee weee oski wah..battle of the kitties

Go Ti-cats !!
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 26, 2025, 10:19:48 PM
Go Hammy Go
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 10:09:16 AM
You bet guys!  A strong HAMmy only makes our possible GC appearance that much easier.  They are making hay while the MTL TOR no-qb situation shines.  Good for them.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 12:27:35 AM
i think we have a play if the week #1 sorted out

https://x.com/cfl/status/1949625790829916560?s=46&t=8CnDJGqaCBCZBxQBGwVX4Q

play of the year - in the top 3 so far
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: markf on July 28, 2025, 12:32:12 AM
Quite a play
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 12:43:11 AM
we got us a game
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: Strevy on July 28, 2025, 12:56:18 AM
Starting QB's and receivers light years ahead of our motley crew.....
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 12:58:00 AM
BOLO - nice power
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 28, 2025, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 12:27:35 AMi think we have a play if the week #1 sorted out

https://x.com/cfl/status/1949625790829916560?s=46&t=8CnDJGqaCBCZBxQBGwVX4Q

play of the year - in the top 3 so far
Yep. That catch is insane. How is he not a receiver with hands like that?
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 28, 2025, 01:24:23 AM
BC getting a lot of help from the officials on this drive. That's lead to a FG followed by a TD  after a Hammy fumble. BC suddenly up 10 points. Bombers will be feeling the Lions coming for their playoff spot.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:28:01 AM
might be it - darn Bell
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:31:56 AM
gotta bomb it to kenny now
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:39:46 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:31:56 AMgotta bomb it to kenny now

or BOLO.  any former Bomber will do
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:44:11 AM
hamilton got the advantage there from the refs
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:55:22 AM
not thrilled with that play call - got lucky with the PI
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 28, 2025, 01:55:39 AM
How did Tre Ford possibly manage to pass for 32 yards against the BC defense in an entire game?!
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 28, 2025, 01:56:45 AM
Wow! Hammy pulls it off.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:56:49 AM
bo knows
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:57:41 AM
great game - love the sunday night football
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 02:00:31 AM
love seeing Rourke lose
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: dd on July 28, 2025, 02:08:11 AM
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 28, 2025, 01:55:39 AMHow did Tre Ford possibly manage to pass for 32 yards against the BC defense in an entire game?!
He's THAT bad!!
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: Blue72 on July 28, 2025, 02:09:16 AM
Its amazing how many EX bomber players are on the tiger cats team and all playing well. They have improved with those players and we have declined being cheap at FA time.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: 55 Stick Car on July 28, 2025, 03:40:52 AM
That was a very enjoyable game to watch. A true CFL match.
Lots of ex bombers in the Hammer's Fold. All doing very well.
Lots of offense and scoring which I enjoy.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: dd on July 28, 2025, 04:08:19 AM
Quote from: Blue72 on July 28, 2025, 02:09:16 AMIts amazing how many EX bomber players are on the tiger cats team and all playing well. They have improved with those players and we have declined being cheap at FA time.
This year's free agency group has to be the biggest disappointment in the last 10 years. We lost an allstar NAT CB and the leagues best receiver and we replaced them with essentially no one, it should be no surprise we are where we are right now, you only get out of it what you put into it
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 29, 2025, 01:04:24 AM
relive the excitement...all the plays and replays of the big plays


https://youtu.be/RNu_fIHAK1Y?si=Dg6pNTOsKE1YTgoD
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 06:02:16 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on July 28, 2025, 01:55:22 AMnot thrilled with that play call - got lucky with the PI

For those that don't like the accidental DPI, keep in mind that they've been calling that oopsie foot whack thing a lot this season.  And other seasons.  This isn't new.

If you're the REC and your foot taps the DB shin in stride and you fall, that's ADPI every time.  However, there are rules about whether the DB is alongside / ahead / behind the REC, I think, that may have to be examined here.

I'm sure command was watching on this critical end-of-game play to make sure it was called right.

The funny thing is: HAM wastes its timeout then a couple of plays later they maybe got burned on an iffy call.  Then BC wastes their last TO and like the very next play they get the iffy ADPI.  LOL... goes to show, hold that challenge!
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 06:04:45 AM
Quote from: J5V on July 28, 2025, 01:07:24 AMYep. That catch is insane. How is he not a receiver with hands like that?

Very first thing I said.  He seems halfway intelligent, so you can't fault his IQ.

But he does seem very tiny and skinny, which is never good for a REC.

I would train him up on basic routes anyway because then you need to dress one less backup REC!

Then again, Dequoy has insane speed and great hands and he's "just a DB" too.

There must be some reason the coaches insist these guys be DBs...
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 06:07:50 AM
Watching this game I bet many of us were thinking we can't possibly keep up with either team, or any team playing like this.  Our O is basically back to the bad Drew Willy days, and I don't mean the brief winning streak.

But we did beat BC!  Twice!  And one with Rourke.  What was different??  OL.  We had are desired OL starting, minus Lofton.  That OL was stout.  With OL we can win.  Without, we will stink no matter who is at QB.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 06:18:14 AM
Wow.  Just look at what a difference Kenny being on your team makes.  This game is the clearest example I've ever seen of a single top REC dictating an entire game.

Kenny basically had zero stats.  But he dictated the entire game anyways.

Now, while this may have been an extreme example, just imagine how much subtle coverage and DB-cheating-up was going on to cover Kenny when he was in WPG... How much did that make the rest of our O more open?  Just like there was always one HAM REC wide open on every play in this game.

Think back to when we had on the field: Kenny, Schoen, Demski.  No wonder our O used to be so good!  It doesn't matter how each one is good, it matters how good they are together and how great your #1 is so everyone has to cover them.

Reminds me of Cornish, who admitted being the decoy for an entire GC they won.  The entire D had to cover Cornish or he would have won the game on his own.

Schoen, Pokey, Demski: if we can get that lineup going later this season, then maybe we'll have something.  Until then it'll be tight zone, suicide passes, no YAC, and getting anywhere will be a constant grind.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2025, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 06:18:14 AMWow.  Just look at what a difference Kenny being on your team makes.  This game is the clearest example I've ever seen of a single top REC dictating an entire game.

Kenny basically had zero stats.  But he dictated the entire game anyways.

Now, while this may have been an extreme example, just imagine how much subtle coverage and DB-cheating-up was going on to cover Kenny when he was in WPG... How much did that make the rest of our O more open?  Just like there was always one HAM REC wide open on every play in this game.

Think back to when we had on the field: Kenny, Schoen, Demski.  No wonder our O used to be so good!  It doesn't matter how each one is good, it matters how good they are together and how great your #1 is so everyone has to cover them.

Reminds me of Cornish, who admitted being the decoy for an entire GC they won.  The entire D had to cover Cornish or he would have won the game on his own.

Schoen, Pokey, Demski: if we can get that lineup going later this season, then maybe we'll have something.  Until then it'll be tight zone, suicide passes, no YAC, and getting anywhere will be a constant grind.


Agreed that a dominant outside receiver can help. However, it's not the primary issue this year. It's not in the top 5.

Consider:

We didn't have Lawler in 2022 and we were 15-3 and in the Grey Cup. Lawler played 16, 13, 12, 12 and 10 games during his seasons in Winnipeg. Since 2019, he's missed 5 or more games for every team he's played for.

We won with him in the lineup, we won with him out of the lineup. We won when he wasn't in Winnipeg. His on the field presence would help, you're not wrong, but he doesn't turn any of our last three losses into wins. Not even close.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 29, 2025, 11:55:55 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 06:02:16 AMFor those that don't like the accidental DPI, keep in mind that they've been calling that oopsie foot whack thing a lot this season.  And other seasons.  This isn't new.

If you're the REC and your foot taps the DB shin in stride and you fall, that's ADPI every time.  However, there are rules about whether the DB is alongside / ahead / behind the REC, I think, that may have to be examined here.

I'm sure command was watching on this critical end-of-game play to make sure it was called right.

The funny thing is: HAM wastes its timeout then a couple of plays later they maybe got burned on an iffy call.  Then BC wastes their last TO and like the very next play they get the iffy ADPI.  LOL... goes to show, hold that challenge!

Imagine losing a playoff game to a desperate team that edges you out on the second last play in the game. In that game we are in a prevent D and throw a blanket over the other team's receivers, do absolutely nothing wrong, but the desperate receiver intentionally tangles legs with your DB and out comes the flag followed by the winning score. How would you feel about "ADPI"?
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 03:48:35 AM
Quote from: J5V on July 29, 2025, 11:55:55 PMImagine losing a playoff game to a desperate team that edges you out on the second last play in the game. In that game we are in a prevent D and throw a blanket over the other team's receivers, do absolutely nothing wrong, but the desperate receiver intentionally tangles legs with your DB and out comes the flag followed by the winning score. How would you feel about "ADPI"?

Pretty sure WPG got dinged on a stupid iffy ADPI this season already, and yes, I thought it was stupid.  BUT since they have been really good about being consistent with these trip-ups, I'm fine with it.  It's the consistency that is key, and that's often what is missing in CFL reffing.

So DBs will have to learn to maybe be a little farther away from the REC, or use the behind/aside/ahead variations intelligently so they have an "out".

This issue is really no different than the "REC mugging DB" trick that some players/teams employ to get a fake free IC or DPI call.  Those aggravate me even more, and I think the league needs to clearly define mugging and have a severe penalty for it.  It's no different than a fake flop / embellishment.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 03:54:08 AM
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2025, 01:40:00 PMAgreed that a dominant outside receiver can help. However, it's not the primary issue this year. It's not in the top 5.

Consider:

We didn't have Lawler in 2022 and we were 15-3 and in the Grey Cup. Lawler played 16, 13, 12, 12 and 10 games during his seasons in Winnipeg. Since 2019, he's missed 5 or more games for every team he's played for.

We won with him in the lineup, we won with him out of the lineup. We won when he wasn't in Winnipeg. His on the field presence would help, you're not wrong, but he doesn't turn any of our last three losses into wins. Not even close.

Ya, I have to say you're right about all of that.  But having Kenny certainly couldn't HURT.  And when we get "closer" he would be the type of player that makes the difference.

As for 2022, that was Schoen's league-leading year.  And Ellingson was a top threat too until he got hurt.  Add in the usual suspects and it was a great corps.  So Schoen kinda was our Kenny that year.  That was precisely the plan for this year!  But Schoen had to have knee problems again...

I still wonder though how much more "open things" was due to Kenny, when he was in, after seeing this last HAM game.  Oh ya, and I think Scott and BLM are using Kenny way more effectively than we did in '24.  It helps that Bo can throw 60Y easy.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 04:10:31 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 03:48:35 AMPretty sure WPG got dinged on a stupid iffy ADPI this season already, and yes, I thought it was stupid.  BUT since they have been really good about being consistent with these trip-ups, I'm fine with it.  It's the consistency that is key, and that's often what is missing in CFL reffing.

So DBs will have to learn to maybe be a little farther away from the REC, or use the behind/aside/ahead variations intelligently so they have an "out".

This issue is really no different than the "REC mugging DB" trick that some players/teams employ to get a fake free IC or DPI call.  Those aggravate me even more, and I think the league needs to clearly define mugging and have a severe penalty for it.  It's no different than a fake flop / embellishment.


I think Accidental Interference is a dumb penalty call, but if they're going to call it why not also call it on the receiver when the DB is the one that gets knocked down, allowing the receiver free passage to the endzone, as happened with Parker in an earlier game this year.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 04:34:10 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 04:10:31 AMI think Accidental Interference is a dumb penalty call, but if they're going to call it why not also call it on the receiver when the DB is the one that gets knocked down, allowing the receiver free passage to the endzone, as happened with Parker in an earlier game this year.

Pretty sure it was Bridges or Bonds, not Parker.  And pretty sure these are the plays where our guy was pushed forward/down into the turf by the REC (worse than "accidental").

Ya, the RECs definitely get many advantages by the rules and the way the refs call them.  Then again, the league wants "more O".

I also hate when a REC egregiously picks/rubs a DB and then the DB gets called for IC.  That's OPI, not IC!  Once in a blue moon the refs get it right.

However, we do need some way to make sure the DBs don't just try to get their legs real darn close to REC legs to accidentally-on-purpose cause an ADPI.  If that was allowed scott-free every time then DBs would just go "accidentally" trip everyone all the time.

Right now the pendulum has swung to 90% DB's fault / 10% REC's fault.  Maybe it needs to be more balance again.  The NFL seems to balance it a bit better.  In the CFL the DBs need to be saints.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 30, 2025, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 03:48:35 AMThis issue is really no different than the "REC mugging DB" trick that some players/teams employ to get a fake free IC or DPI call.
Riders did it to us last season and I've seen them do it this season to other teams so it's being coached into their game. I believe it's not difficult to do with a bit of practice. Watch for it when Riders are second and long/extra-long. Even if it's only 5 yards off the line it's an automatic first down. I have no idea whether or not we are incorporating it into our game but we should.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: J5V on July 30, 2025, 10:29:04 PMRiders did it to us last season and I've seen them do it this season to other teams so it's being coached into their game. I believe it's not difficult to do with a bit of practice. Watch for it when Riders are second and long/extra-long. Even if it's only 5 yards off the line it's an automatic first down. I have no idea whether or not we are incorporating it into our game but we should.

We absolutely should.  However, that assumes your unit is getting job #1 and job #2 down pat, like "catching", "routes", and "blocking".  Mugging is like job #5 and 7D chess.  I'm not sure anyone in our club has the mental capacity to take it to that level.  We're sometimes lucky if we even can get to job #3.  Besides, we "have morals" (whatever that means in football), unlike the "win at all costs" up'n'comers.

After all, everyone (except their home fans) does hate the muggers and embellishers...

C'est la vie.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 31, 2025, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 08:29:24 AMWe absolutely should.  However, that assumes your unit is getting job #1 and job #2 down pat, like "catching", "routes", and "blocking".  Mugging is like job #5 and 7D chess.  I'm not sure anyone in our club has the mental capacity to take it to that level.  We're sometimes lucky if we even can get to job #3.  Besides, we "have morals" (whatever that means in football), unlike the "win at all costs" up'n'comers.

After all, everyone (except their home fans) does hate the muggers and embellishers...

C'est la vie.
You know the old saying, "If you're not cheating you ain't trying". It would be naive not to realize that every team maps trends of what can and cannot be gotten away with on the fringe edge of the rules. All teams hold, for example, but you have to know for how long, when, and where on the field to do it. As a fan I can accept that as long as it's applied fairly by the officials for both teams which is not always the case. 
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:34:33 AM
Quote from: J5V on July 31, 2025, 11:19:42 PMYou know the old saying, "If you're not cheating you ain't trying". It would be naive not to realize that every team maps trends of what can and cannot be gotten away with on the fringe edge of the rules. All teams hold, for example, but you have to know for how long, when, and where on the field to do it. As a fan I can accept that as long as it's applied fairly by the officials for both teams which is not always the case.
For holding to be called, it has to impact the play, so if there's a jet sweep going left and your right tackle is holding the DE, that isn't going to get called, however LT holding De on same play should  get called every time
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: Big Daddy on August 01, 2025, 02:43:20 AM
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:34:33 AMFor holding to be called, it has to impact the play, so if there's a jet sweep going left and your right tackle is holding the DE, that isn't going to get called, however LT holding De on same play gets called every time

I wish it were that simple when the rule is applied by the officials.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:06:15 AM
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2025, 02:34:33 AMFor holding to be called, it has to impact the play, so if there's a jet sweep going left and your right tackle is holding the DE, that isn't going to get called, however LT holding De on same play gets called every time

Haha, not with CFL refs.  Half they let go because they don't deem it "holding enough".  Half the remainder they don't see at all because they are blind.

Holding is probably the most aggravating penalty because there's so much holding all the time, even right at the play, that goes uncalled; yet they do call some sometimes and it'll really screw up a drive.  There's really not much rhyme or reason to it as it's basically a 100% subjective thing.

You just have to hope there's no bias, or just bad luck, against your team that day.
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: dd on August 01, 2025, 03:27:56 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:06:15 AMHaha, not with CFL refs.  Half they let go because they don't deem it "holding enough".  Half the remainder they don't see at all because they are blind.

Holding is probably the most aggravating penalty because there's so much holding all the time, even right at the play, that goes uncalled; yet they do call some sometimes and it'll really screw up a drive.  There's really not much rhyme or reason to it as it's basically a 100% subjective thing.

You just have to hope there's no bias, or just bad luck, against your team that day.
I hear what you're saying. Virtually every receiver is holding on a run play, they try and lock their hands under the armpits of the dB and start driving him so it looks like a drive block but you can't see the hold but the defensive player wants to pursue the ball and can't because he's being held and those types of holds are missed
Title: Re: GDT Ham at BC, Sun July 27, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 03:30:56 AM
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2025, 03:27:56 AMI hear what you're saying. Virtually every receiver is holding on a run play, they try and lock their hands under the armpits of the dB and start driving him so it looks like a drive block but you can't see the hold but the defensive player wants to pursue the ball and can't because he's being held and those types of holds are missed

Ah, the ol' Saskie Shuffle!  No one trains their RECs to hold as good as SSK does.