Re-group, re-boot, re-commit. The Argos are beatable and restarting a winning streak would be important and needed.
Bombers most recent injury list is here...
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As well, the weekly 48-Hour Primer, with a focus on Sergio Castillo.
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/07/24/48-hour-primer-week-8-vs-toronto/
"...BRYANT RULED OUT: The Blue Bombers will be without future hall of fame left tackle Stanley Bryant for a second straight game Saturday in Toronto against the Argonauts with an ankle injury. His spot will be filled again this week by Micah Vanterpool..."
Depth Charts will be available on Friday.
Let's get it on Bombers!
Are we thinking Big Stan has been nursing the ankle most of this season? He's been uncharacteristically, well, bad. He was getting beaten on the outside like every other snap.
So the idea is we give him time off to heal and be 100% in X games? Did we put him on the 6G? That's a nice chunk of SMS right there. And hey, wasn't Big Stan like Fatboi: almost never missing any games?
Vanterpool ain't gonna get it done. Wounded Big Stan was better than him. We're in for a world of hurt. TOR won't need Kelly to win this one... Maybe start Strev so Zach isn't season-ended?
We roll with what we got. Still need to make Brady more of a focal point. I feel like Zach's doing better when he's slinging it t=rather than just hitting the short pass all the time. Find a way to get Wheatfall more involved again.
Let's go.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:32:01 AMAre we thinking Big Stan has been nursing the ankle most of this season? He's been uncharacteristically, well, bad. He was getting beaten on the outside like every other snap.
My guess is all season. I don't recall him getting hurt and coming out limping. Last week he was limping, this week walking gingerly. So that's an improvement already. Seems to me the goal is get him 100%. If this was a playoff I bet he would have played.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:32:01 AMAre we thinking Big Stan has been nursing the ankle most of this season? He's been uncharacteristically, well, bad. He was getting beaten on the outside like every other snap.
So the idea is we give him time off to heal and be 100% in X games? Did we put him on the 6G? That's a nice chunk of SMS right there. And hey, wasn't Big Stan like Fatboi: almost never missing any games?
Vanterpool ain't gonna get it done. Wounded Big Stan was better than him. We're in for a world of hurt. TOR won't need Kelly to win this one... Maybe start Strev so Zach isn't season-ended?
I would hazard a guess that's he's been playing with ankle ailments over his whole career it's just that he's been so good it didn't matter.
Lineup O
Lineup D
Depth
Ball in Novak out I think BnBC predicted that?
Hopefully someone can report if Ball gets reps on ST
https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/WINNIPEG-AT-TORONTO_JULY-26.pdf
I expect more out of Case who looked to have some zip but also made some mistakes. Jitters will be gone.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 25, 2025, 02:58:45 PMDepth
Ball in Novak out I think BnBC predicted that?
Hopefully someone can report if Ball gets reps on ST
https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/WINNIPEG-AT-TORONTO_JULY-26.pdf
I expect more out of Case who looked to have some zip but also made some mistakes. Jitters will be gone.
Well it wasn't so much a prediction as a who's left to fill in for an injured Canadian. We only have Schmekel, Vibert and Cobb as other healthy choices.
Novak was playing quite well on ST's and a DB would seem to be the best choice alternative to fill in that role as depth at the least.
Sorry to lose Novak but injuries happen. Unfortunately he's been moved to the 6 game IR. So chances are he'll be out at least that long.
He's about 30 lbs lighter than Novak and probably a little faster. Whether he actually sees time on ST's IDK, but certainly over time he will.
We now have another open spot on the PR. It might get filled next week with movement from our IR to PR but it could also mean a new face is added?
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 25, 2025, 02:56:54 PMLineup O
This is just my opinion but when I look at who we will start on both sides of the ball I believe this is the weakest total team that Bombers have fielded in a very long time. No speed receivers - the DL is weak and I am not sure how good the OL happens to be. Just my opinion and I hope I am wrong but there is very little there that I can say is top drawer other that our starting RB.
If Bridges gets toasted for a third straight week, there's gonna be some uncomfortable questions for this staff. No corners on the PS, apparently committed to Parker at S (although I think he has better tape at corner).
Quote from: BBRT on July 25, 2025, 03:07:07 PMThis is just my opinion but when I look at who we will start on both sides of the ball I believe this is the weakest total team that Bombers have fielded in a very long time. No speed receivers - the DL is weak and I am not sure how good the OL happens to be. Just my opinion and I hope I am wrong but there is very little there that I can say is top drawer other that our starting RB.
Top drawer imo
Demski
Nichols
Willie
Holm
Zach
Castillo
Wilson
Sterns has some speed, Wheatie as well. Case is very fast.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 25, 2025, 03:08:52 PMIf Bridges gets toasted for a third straight week, there's gonna be some uncomfortable questions for this staff. No corners on the PS, apparently committed to Parker at S (although I think he has better tape at corner).
Parker is in a good spot for this stage of his career. Yes very good at corner previously. Bridges will be better and will take time to develop. Vaval is an option at corner and was getting reps. No ready likely, maybe next year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 03:06:14 PMWell it wasn't so much a prediction as a who's left to fill in for an injured Canadian. We only have Schmekel, Vibert and Cobb as other healthy choices.
Novak was playing quite well on ST's and a DB would seem to be the best choice alternative to fill in that role as depth at the least.
Sorry to lose Novak but injuries happen. Unfortunately he's been moved to the 6 game IR. So chances are he'll be out at least that long.
He's about 30 lbs lighter than Novak and probably a little faster. Whether he actually sees time on ST's IDK, but certainly over time he will.
We now have another open spot on the PR. It might get filled next week with movement from our IR to PR but it could also mean a new face is added?
I want to see Cobb at some point
Other option is Vaval at corner is likely the one wed see Bridges has had s uear and 1/3 to develope
Quote from: kkc60 on July 25, 2025, 03:08:52 PMIf Bridges gets toasted for a third straight week, there's gonna be some uncomfortable questions for this staff. No corners on the PS, apparently committed to Parker at S (although I think he has better tape at corner).
It's not if it's when
Quote from: kkc60 on July 25, 2025, 03:08:52 PMIf Bridges gets toasted for a third straight week, there's gonna be some uncomfortable questions for this staff. No corners on the PS, apparently committed to Parker at S (although I think he has better tape at corner).
Vaval played corner in pre season and is listed on the depth chart behind Bridges. Whether that is accurate is hard to tell but seems a reasonable guess.
On the PR Allen might be capable at CB but more likely at safety which means Parker moves to CB as 1st choice. In game that might have to be Vaval otherwise it moves Hallett to safety if Parker moves.
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Quote from: dd on July 25, 2025, 03:21:29 PMIt's not if it's when
I think the d and him will rebound
Bridges will have his ups and downs
I sure hope the offense can get the run game going tomorrow.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 25, 2025, 03:32:09 PMI sure hope the offense can get the run game going tomorrow.
Key to the game, OL gotta cook so Brady can shred
Wow, is Toronto crappy at running the ball. Their leading rusher has 100 yards on the season, lol.
Peterson had that in 1 drive.
had no idea this Ball guy was the son of Micheal Ball the sports guy in sask - Ballsy
Do we have the starting lineup/depth chart for Toronto??
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 03:06:14 PMWell it wasn't so much a prediction as a who's left to fill in for an injured Canadian. We only have Schmekel, Vibert and Cobb as other healthy choices.
Novak was playing quite well on ST's and a DB would seem to be the best choice alternative to fill in that role as depth at the least.
Sorry to lose Novak but injuries happen. Unfortunately he's been moved to the 6 game IR. So chances are he'll be out at least that long.
He's about 30 lbs lighter than Novak and probably a little faster. Whether he actually sees time on ST's IDK, but certainly over time he will.
We now have another open spot on the PR. It might get filled next week with movement from our IR to PR but it could also mean a new face is added?
I predict Ball is the next Hallett, a sub for the missing brother.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:32:01 AMAre we thinking Big Stan has been nursing the ankle most of this season? He's been uncharacteristically, well, bad. He was getting beaten on the outside like every other snap.
So the idea is we give him time off to heal and be 100% in X games? Did we put him on the 6G? That's a nice chunk of SMS right there. And hey, wasn't Big Stan like Fatboi: almost never missing any games?
Vanterpool ain't gonna get it done. Wounded Big Stan was better than him. We're in for a world of hurt. TOR won't need Kelly to win this one... Maybe start Strev so Zach isn't season-ended?
Last week was Vanterpool's first game at LT and he played as good/poor as Stan, I'd give him a bit more time to adjust to the position before dismissing him. As he mentioned in his interview with Ed Tait, the footwork and timing in the CFL is different than what he is accustomed to.
If Lofton doesn't get a shot at taking his job back within the next few weeks, he may have lost it for good to Randolph, not sure if he has been moved to the 1 game yet but he has been practicing.
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Toronto Argonauts promote Canadian Tyshon Blackburn to starting SAM
By 3Down Staff -July 25, 2025
The Toronto Argonauts have made a change to their ratio ahead of Saturday's Grey Cup rematch with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, but not at the position you might expect.
Canadian defensive back Tyshon Blackburn has been given the start at strong-side linebacker for the first time this season. The 24-year-old has made four defensive tackles, three special teams tackles, and one interception in six games this year — already equalling his season totals from 2024.
American rookie Jarrett Martin, who collected six defensive tackles and two special teams tackles over three starts, has been demoted to the practice roster in a corresponding move.
Despite the added Canadian starter on defence, the Argos are continuing to roll with four nationals along the offensive line, regardless of mounting injuries. John Bosse, the team's third-round pick in 2024, will get his first start of the year at right tackle after Anim Dankwah, who was playing in place of the injured Ryan Hunter, went down with a season-ending ACL tear. Left guard Sage Doxtater (knee) is expected to play despite being listed as a game-time decision, but recently signed veteran Shane Richards will dress as insurance.
In depth moves, the Argos placed Global defensive end Thiadric Hansen (elbow) and Canadian defensive end Tyson Hergott (back) on the six-game injured list. Canadian linebacker Brian Harelimana returns from injury to help fill the void on special teams, and is joined in the lineup by fellow Canadian linebacker Stephen Smith and American defensive tackle Ricky Correia.
The Toronto Argonauts (1-5) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (3-2) at BMO Field on Saturday, July 26 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 41-20 loss to the Calgary Stampeders, while the Argonauts gave up a fourth-quarter lead to narrowly lose to the Montreal Alouettes.
The weather forecast calls for a high of 27 degrees with a 40 percent chance of rain and a risk of thunderstorms. The game will be broadcast on TSN and CTV in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and TSN 1050 in Toronto.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/25/toronto-argonauts-promote-canadian-tyshon-blackburn-to-starting-sam/
might be a bit before we see Kelly in action:
#Argos HC Ryan Dinwiddie says QB Chad Kelly is still "day-to-day, maybe week-to-week."
Kelly was on the practice field twice this week after recently visiting a familiar rehab specialist in Buffalo.
Dinwiddie says that really helped his progress, but he's not wherehe needs tobe
The strength isn't quite there yet. Mobility is getting there. Until we feel like he can protect himself with his legs, that's when we'll put him out on the field."
Sounds like a strong chance he also misses next week's game in Winnipeg.
Bombers game is not on TSN + which I pay for to watch Bomber games.
Canadian DB Ethan Ball, son of former Riders broadcaster, to make CFL debut for Winnipeg Blue Bombers
By 3Down Staff -July 25, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers are only making one change to their roster ahead of Saturday's clash with the Toronto Argonauts, but the new face has a familiar name to CFL fans.
Canadian defensive back Ethan Ball, Winnipeg's sixth-round draft choice, will make his debut as a depth safety. The 23-year-old is the son of former Saskatchewan Roughriders play-by-play voice Michael Ball, who called games for the team during the 2022 and 2023 seasons. The long-time Regina broadcaster remains an active voice in the CFL media community.
The younger Ball became one of the top youth prospects in Regina and originally committed to the University of North Dakota in 2020. He made 44 tackles in 32 games for the Fighting Hawks, before transferring to the University of Calgary in 2024. He played five games during his lone U Sports campaign, recording 27 total tackles, two passes defended, and one fumble recovery.
Ball replaces fellow Canadian rookie Lane Novak in the lineup after the linebacker was placed on the six-game injured list with an undisclosed injury. Also on the six-game injured list are Canadian defensive back Jake Kelly, American offensive lineman Eric Lofton, Canadian linebacker Enock Makonzo, American defensive tackle Jamal Woods, and American receiver Dalton Schoen.
Players unavailable this week after seeing their tenure on the one-game injured list extended include American offensive lineman Stanley Bryant (ankle), Canadian long snapper Mike Benson (hip), and American returner Peyton Logan (thigh). American receiver Dillon Mitchell, American linebacker Jonathan Jones, and Canadian defensive tackle Tanner Schmekel are all healthy scratches.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (3-2) will visit the Toronto Argonauts (1-5) at BMO Field on Saturday, July 26 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 41-20 loss to the Calgary Stampeders, while the Argonauts gave up a fourth-quarter lead to narrowly lose to the Montreal Alouettes.
The weather forecast calls for a high of 27 degrees with a 40 percent chance of rain and a risk of thunderstorms. The game will be broadcast on TSN and CTV in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and TSN 1050 in Toronto.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/25/canadian-db-ethan-ball-son-of-former-riders-broadcaster-to-make-cfl-debut-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers/
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 25, 2025, 06:05:25 PMCanadian DB Ethan Ball, son of former Riders broadcaster, to make CFL debut for Winnipeg Blue Bombers
By 3Down Staff -July 25, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers are only making one change to their roster ahead of Saturday's clash with the Toronto Argonauts, but the new face has a familiar name to CFL fans.
Canadian defensive back Ethan Ball, Winnipeg's sixth-round draft choice, will make his debut as a depth safety. The 23-year-old is the son of former Saskatchewan Roughriders play-by-play voice Michael Ball, who called games for the team during the 2022 and 2023 seasons. The long-time Regina broadcaster remains an active voice in the CFL media community.
The younger Ball became one of the top youth prospects in Regina and originally committed to the University of North Dakota in 2020. He made 44 tackles in 32 games for the Fighting Hawks, before transferring to the University of Calgary in 2024. He played five games during his lone U Sports campaign, recording 27 total tackles, two passes defended, and one fumble recovery.
Ball replaces fellow Canadian rookie Lane Novak in the lineup after the linebacker was placed on the six-game injured list with an undisclosed injury. Also on the six-game injured list are Canadian defensive back Jake Kelly, American offensive lineman Eric Lofton, Canadian linebacker Enock Makonzo, American defensive tackle Jamal Woods, and American receiver Dalton Schoen.
Players unavailable this week after seeing their tenure on the one-game injured list extended include American offensive lineman Stanley Bryant (ankle), Canadian long snapper Mike Benson (hip), and American returner Peyton Logan (thigh). American receiver Dillon Mitchell, American linebacker Jonathan Jones, and Canadian defensive tackle Tanner Schmekel are all healthy scratches.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (3-2) will visit the Toronto Argonauts (1-5) at BMO Field on Saturday, July 26 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 41-20 loss to the Calgary Stampeders, while the Argonauts gave up a fourth-quarter lead to narrowly lose to the Montreal Alouettes.
The weather forecast calls for a high of 27 degrees with a 40 percent chance of rain and a risk of thunderstorms. The game will be broadcast on TSN and CTV in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg and TSN 1050 in Toronto.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/25/canadian-db-ethan-ball-son-of-former-riders-broadcaster-to-make-cfl-debut-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers/
Ballsy must be having quite the identity crisis. ;D
Quote from: markf on July 25, 2025, 06:00:36 PMBombers game is not on TSN + which I pay for to watch Bomber games.
Get out the rabbit years can get on CTV
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 25, 2025, 06:08:38 PMBallsy must be having quite the identity crisis. ;D
Nope, he flipped.
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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 25, 2025, 07:42:41 PMNope, he flipped.
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Whatever else he is, right now he's just a proud dad.
Quote from: markf on July 25, 2025, 06:00:36 PMBombers game is not on TSN + which I pay for to watch Bomber games.
The game is on CFL+ with a VPN.
"Sprechen Sie Deutsch?"
"Ya ya, wir lieben Hansen!"
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 25, 2025, 07:17:30 PMGet out the rabbit years can get on CTV
Tall trees, hills, = rabbit ears don't work
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 25, 2025, 08:10:29 PMThe game is on CFL+ with a VPN.
"Sprechen Sie Deutsch?"
"Ya ya, wir lieben Hansen!"
Thanks... will go this route.
Quote from: Jesse on July 25, 2025, 07:52:26 PMWhatever else he is, right now he's just a proud dad.
Him being a bully (ask Derek Taylor), conspiracy theorist, and an overall lousy person shouldn't take a backseat to his being proud for his son.
Hopefully, the apple fell really, really, really far from the tree.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 25, 2025, 08:33:16 PMHim being a bully (ask Derek Taylor), conspiracy theorist, and an overall lousy person shouldn't take a backseat to his being proud for his son.
Hopefully, the apple fell really, really, really far from the tree.
Don't get me wrong, can't stand the guy. But I'm sure many of us don't want to be judged by our parents either, so in the context of Ball getting on the roster for the first time, his dad is just a dad.
i see Willie was fined again - pretty common for a once dominant player to slip into these types of actions when they know the end of that dominance is near or here.
frustration in just being a bit slower, but weaker and you lose your composure cause your body is letting you down.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 25, 2025, 11:54:21 PMi see Willie was fined again - pretty common for a once dominant player to slip into these types of actions when they know the end of that dominance is near or here.
frustration in just being a bit slower, but weaker and you lose your composure cause your body is letting you down.
It's not that easy to make a legal hit these days. Neither incident seemed to be an example of a frustrated player, imo.
Quote from: Jesse on July 25, 2025, 11:58:19 PMIt's not that easy to make a legal hit these days. Neither incident seemed to be an example of a frustrated player, imo.
there are only a few fines given out a week for hundreds of hits that happen..legal hits are in the majority, Willie knows what's clean..
Blackburn getting his first start at linebacker for Toronto is interesting. Hopefully its a spot where we can take advantage.
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 26, 2025, 12:58:55 AMBlackburn getting his first start at linebacker for Toronto is interesting. Hopefully its a spot where we can take advantage.
not to mention a very depleted OL. If our DL boys don't have a big game something ain't right for sure.
Quote from: BBRT on July 25, 2025, 03:07:07 PMThis is just my opinion but when I look at who we will start on both sides of the ball I believe this is the weakest total team that Bombers have fielded in a very long time. No speed receivers - the DL is weak and I am not sure how good the OL happens to be. Just my opinion and I hope I am wrong but there is very little there that I can say is top drawer other that our starting RB.
I agree. We tried so hard to maintain our level, with not much eye to improvement. The problem is the other W teams like SSK and CGY have improved. Our 2024 level probably doesn't make it to a cup this year.
I think we did improve our DL with Vaughters, but that's only because the '24 DL was sooooo bad, any hiring would be an improvement.
It's scary how much we depend on just 1 player like Schoen to not "suck on paper". With Schoen we have a top-5 REC (on paper). Without him we only have a top-15 Demski, who is superb but can't win games alone.
I think it will become apparent we don't have the horses, and voices will start being raised to do something about it in a home GC year, or we'll end up like BC last year: 1 & done and a laughing stock.
Quote from: Waffler on July 25, 2025, 01:24:45 PMMy guess is all season. I don't recall him getting hurt and coming out limping.
There's also Neufeld. He's getting burned a lot too. I've seen him flat on his butt sitting there like a toddler on the turf as DL run over him... at least 3 times. That's not characteristic of him.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 26, 2025, 01:07:28 AMnot to mention a very depleted OL. If our DL boys don't have a big game something ain't right for sure.
I was thinking the same thing. The OL is seriously depleted, they have no running game at all. If we don't make hay tomorrow, I'm not sure we can.
Just a thought, would MOS have said to Walters that we have good players in camp last year and dont need to many replacements?
Why does MOS always want to play an extra Canadian when we need that extra IMP on the field? Why do we have such a weak and small IMP receivers, Is that our OC, HC or both?
Why havent we brought back Houston
Quote from: Blue72 on July 26, 2025, 03:35:12 AMJust a thought, would MOS have said to Walters that we have good players in camp last year and dont need to many replacements?
Why does MOS always want to play an extra Canadian when we need that extra IMP on the field? Why do we have such a weak and small IMP receivers, Is that our OC, HC or both?
Why havent we brought back Houston
I don't agree with any of the sentiments here
Quote from: markf on July 25, 2025, 06:00:36 PMBombers game is not on TSN + which I pay for to watch Bomber games.
Are you sure? The TSN+ schedule on the TSN website says that the enhanced data feed for the game is on at 6PM.
Quote from: pdirks67 on July 26, 2025, 08:14:53 PMAre you sure? The TSN+ schedule on the TSN website says that the enhanced data feed for the game is on at 6PM.
Others said it wasn't but can with VPN (I don't know how to do that but others might)
Can also catch on CTV free with antenna or rabbit ears 50 to 100km from wpgish area
PARTY
Quote from: pdirks67 on July 26, 2025, 08:14:53 PMAre you sure? The TSN+ schedule on the TSN website says that the enhanced data feed for the game is on at 6PM.
I appreciate that...... Thanks... I was going by all the posts here that had it not on TSN +
3 keys to the game:
1) Get Brady the ball.
2) DL has to win their battles (Not participation trophies, get your stats).
3) DBs need to limit the explosion plays against.
I Hope there isn't another bridge failure.
We Need to get to their QB. As in........ sack him.
this is a statement game for the Blue - list 2 in row in pretty bad fashion. lose this one and i am truly worried about the future.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 10:12:24 PMthis is a statement game for the Blue - list 2 in row in pretty bad fashion. lose this one and i am truly worried about the future.
agreed but we can do it if we just don't throw picks and or fumble the ball.
Willy time!
And for lords sake please run with Brady holy moly!
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 10:12:24 PMthis is a statement game for the Blue - list 2 in row in pretty bad fashion. lose this one and i am truly worried about the future.
And it's not much of a statement if you beat a 1-5 team, but man is it going to be a statement if we lose.
It is a pretty crappy version of the Argos lol :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 01:24:22 AMThere's also Neufeld. He's getting burned a lot too. I've seen him flat on his butt sitting there like a toddler on the turf as DL run over him... at least 3 times. That's not characteristic of him.
I noticed that most of the breakdowns on the offensive line are on the right side. I am not saying it is Neufeld's fault everytime but the right side has been getting burned a lot.
Quote from: bwiser on July 26, 2025, 10:20:51 PMI noticed that most of the breakdowns on the offensive line are on the right side. I am not saying it is Neufeld's fault everytime but the right side has been getting burned a lot.
Three first time starters. You don't really need to blame any single player, it's more of a function of them not used to playing with one another. As sucky as it is, I do assume it will get better as the year goes on.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 26, 2025, 10:15:56 PMagreed but we can do it if we just don't throw picks and or fumble the ball.
Willy time!
And for lords sake please run with Brady holy moly!
I think Willie has been doing more containing the qb than rushing the qb... maybe why he seems a bit frustrated.
let Willie feast.
They need to adjust the coverage responsibilities so Willie can just bull rush every play. Move him around on every play and just have him go all out. Because he's done absolutely nothing.
On the other side, I feel like Wheatfall is going to have a big game.
Connor Hrabchak
@ConnorHrabchak1
Jul 25
Some notes for WPG/TOR tomorrow night:
- The #Bombers will face Nick Arbuckle, and according to PFF, Arbuckle has the most "turnover-worthy plays" among all starting QBs in the CFL (15).
- On the defensive side of the ball, the Argos have allowed 118 rushing yards per game, and the most rushing TDs against (9).
This needs to be a get-right game for the Bombers defence, and offensively, it's a prime spot to get Brady Oliveira the ball.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 10:35:44 PM- On the defensive side of the ball, the Argos have allowed 118 rushing yards per game, and the most rushing TDs against (9).
This needs to be a get-right game for the Bombers defence, and offensively, it's a prime spot to get Brady Oliveira the ball.
Ya, but some of those games were without McManis. He was back in last week, and appears to be in this week. He shaped that D up big time last week. I don't expect any run yards to come easy. Unless he gets hurt again, which is likely given how often he comes up limping.
Watching bonfire pregame
The sack that dinged Collaros was through the left side of the O line.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 10:16:58 PMAnd it's not much of a statement if you beat a 1-5 team, but man is it going to be a statement if we lose.
That's how I feel. The fact I even need to look at the charts and study them to see if we can pull this off is sad. In normal years this would be a gimmee against a weakened TOR with no QB.
As bad as that is, it's even worse that I had to conclude we will lose. Our team is weaker than when Arbuckle beat us last time. So is TOR, but we are even weaker than that.
And Dinwiddie knows how to out-scheme on an opponent basis. We don't. The coords even said it in the pressers. "Doesn't matter who's in at QB", etc. "We just play bomber ball", etc.
Quote from: markf on July 26, 2025, 10:59:28 PMThe sack that dinged Collaros was through the left side of the O line.
Ya, said that in the GDT. It was Eli not getting over fast enough to stop a simple twist stunt. (Or the LT/LG doing it.) Pretty sad when your QB gets squished when you're in jumbo mode!!
2 consecutive games lost by 20+ points, first time in a decade, LOL. So even back in Matt Nichol's first year did we not suck that bad.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:01:30 PMThat's how I feel. The fact I even need to look at the charts and study them to see if we can pull this off is sad. In normal years this would be a gimmee against a weakened TOR with no QB.
As bad as that is, it's even worse that I had to conclude we will lose. Our team is weaker than when Arbuckle beat us last time. So is TOR, but we are even weaker than that.
And Dinwiddie knows how to out-scheme on an opponent basis. We don't. The coords even said it in the pressers. "Doesn't matter who's in at QB", etc. "We just play bomber ball", etc.
Other than the "we always lose in TO" emotions, I'm pretty confident going into tonight. Kind of a brain vs heart thing.
I think we see the offence have a complete game (assuming health), and that the defence will do enough.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 10:58:53 PMYa, but some of those games were without McManis. He was back in last week, and appears to be in this week. He shaped that D up big time last week. I don't expect any run yards to come easy. Unless he gets hurt again, which is likely given how often he comes up limping.
Yeah, he's not very reliable right now. Brady should be able to get it done if we let him. He's only averaging 10 carries a game in the 3 games he's been in.
Those are ridiculous numbers.
Paul La Police is becoming a polished sports tv figure... colour and panel.
Sean salsbury has a very good American career... maybe Lapo?
I really hate these back to backs. So many teams are having these on their schedule.
They are basically lock-ins for a single team winning both, and that's mostly been the result across the league.
It leaves no time to injury returns to even out, no time for lines to gel, more time to come up with some new schemes.
If we lose this we'll lose next week too. Even worse if Kelly is in.
I have no idea why they scheduled it this way. It really sucks.
rain game - hopefully no injuries
Oh, it's raining? Is it gonna stop? That kind of changes the calculation a bit. We may be a better rain team right now, with Brady.
Makes me more optimistic. A tad
Rain ain't gonna stop, all night rain. Mostly drizzly though.
Brady showing you we may be the better rain team. McMahon is more a speed/outside guy, which is not advantaged by the rain.
Well, that sack didn't look good. 2 free rushers getting through.
Well that was totally expected. I think both our lines will suck today. Our only hope is if their lines suck as bad. Their DL is weak on paper. Have no idea how their revamped OL will do, however they've been doing ok, Arbuckle usually has time for the short game.
57 yard boot I assume with the wind
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:12:35 PMWell that was totally expected. I think both our lines will suck today. Our only hope is if their lines suck as bad. Their DL is weak on paper. Have no idea how their revamped OL will do, however they've been doing ok, Arbuckle usually has time for the short game.
Disagree
OL will build steam off our dominate run game
DL will be average
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:12:57 PM57 yard boot I assume with the wind
we typically don't get those without a wind assist
embarrassing to not pick that
Haha, suckage. At least Holm was close to INTing.
Vegas already bailing on WPG even before that trick play...
I wish we would get creative like that once in a while.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:17:02 PMI wish we would get creative like that once in a while.
Can't do that! Then we might win!
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:14:52 PMembarrassing to not pick that
Disagree
Was a pretty cool play we were not ready for it
Yes an air ball but also wide open
Holm made a great adjustment to the ball and did well to get hands close to it
Willie gets his mulligan.
willie come on
And Willie jumps offside. You're only allowed to do that if you're producing sacks, Willie.
our corners are awful
straight up bad
bonds torched
Bonds bit on that?
I'll say it again, what happened to our pass defence?
Oh look at that. Bonds or Bridges gives up a big play. No surprises.
Doink.
Quote from: Pete on July 26, 2025, 11:18:49 PMour corners are awful
Nope Bonds is average, Bridges is learning and has promise
Overstated on the negative
Deep breath
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:19:24 PMBonds bit on that?
We couldn't see it, but it happened so fast I bet he was just beat.
Willie J takes a penalty, a corner gets cooked and the Oline isn't doing anything well. A phenomenal job building a roster and coaching after getting smacked two games in a row.
weve talked about explosion plays killing our defense and the argos already have two. And no, average isnt good enough especially when the other corner isnt
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:20:02 PMNope Bonds is average, Bridges is learning and has promise
Overstated on the negative
Deep breath
You can say the same thing over and over again, doesn't make it true.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:20:06 PMWe couldn't see it, but it happened so fast I bet he was just beat.
Yeah I think so too
Big gap
Would be interested to see how we called that play
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:20:02 PMNope Bonds is average, Bridges is learning and has promise
Overstated on the negative
Deep breath
You know, it's possible for players to be below average, right?
O shea might actually be visibly annoyed with some players.
This stuff is atypical. I don't understand.
Wallace.... That guy is NOT light on his feet. He looks pretty clumsy to me.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:19:28 PMI'll say it again, what happened to our pass defence?
Just like our OL... we let too many walk in FA, year after year, trickle trickle.
You know, there will come a time that the next man up in the dev pipeline will suck. It appears we've hit that point. I thought Bonds was already borderline last year, and now him and Bridges... I don't think they're CFL ready.
P.S. Look what a pumpfake can do for opening up guys! Whodathunkit! But hey Bombers, just do our normal game, never change, it'll be ok
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:21:08 PMYou can say the same thing over and over again, doesn't make it true.
Can try to one up me time after time with no content or info, doesn't mean it's valid
Bonds is average
Bridges has promise
Yeah Bonds bit
Bonds. What are you doing?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:21:58 PMJust like our OL... we let too many walk in FA, year after year, trickle trickle.
You know, there will come a time that the next man up in the dev pipeline will suck. It appears we've hit that point. I thought Bonds was already borderline last year, and now him and Bridges... I don't think they're CFL ready.
P.S. Look what a pumpfake can do for opening up guys! Whodathunkit! But hey Bombers, just do our normal game, never change, it'll be ok
It's predominantly the same players tho. Bridges the only newbie.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:21:21 PMYou know, it's possible for players to be below average, right?
Piling on for no reason and not providing content
Bonds is average
Bridges below and shows promise
You know it's possible to overstate the obvious right?
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:21:08 PMYou can say the same thing over and over again, doesn't make it true.
I always hear "CB is easier to play" and "you don't need to spend as much money there". Ya, but it's clear that subpar corners cost you 30-50Y plays. Often. HBs have more help around (usually). CBs are usually out on their own.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:23:27 PMPiling on for no reason and not providing content
Bonds is average
Bridges below and shows promise
You know it's possible to overstate the obvious right?
It's not piling on to talk about what's happening in front of us at this moment.
It's literally what we're all here for.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:25:08 PMI always hear "CB is easier to play" and "you don't need to spend as much money there". Ya, but it's clear that subpar corners cost you 30-50Y plays. Often. HBs have more help around (usually). CBs are usually out on their own.
Nothing easy about corner imo
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:20:27 PMWillie J takes a penalty, a corner gets cooked and the Oline isn't doing anything well.
OL is doing good on the run so far. Huge holes. But this may be TOR not prioritizing run stop... yet...
So keep running until they stop us.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:25:28 PMIt's not piling on to talk about what's happening in front of us at this moment.
It's literally what we're all here for.
Nah you were not talking football there
Let's talk ball please
Quote from: markf on July 26, 2025, 11:21:45 PMWallace.... That guy is NOT light on his feet. He looks pretty clumsy to me.
That's precisely what's been said about him since day 1. In theory he should be great at run block. Whether he can ever be "great" at pass pro remains to be seen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:25:56 PMOL is doing good on the run so far. Huge holes. But this may be TOR not prioritizing run stop... yet...
So keep running until they stop us.
If our OL plays like this and the weather is bad our O will be just fine
Zach dropped a dime there
Good sign
Wheatie sighting
So, so close.
boys are going old school - no gloves
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:29:15 PMboys are going old school - no gloves
Stickem? Lol
When you're in a funk, on the schnide, you need to make those catches.
Big props for Wheatie laying out for it. Schoen would have leaned forward and let it fall 3Y away from him.
A bit weird as he had it PERFECTLY, it's very odd it popped out. Slimy and wet I guess. Or need more arm strength. Good sign he pulled it in though, even if he did let it pop out.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:22:12 PMCan try to one up me time after time with no content or info, doesn't mean it's valid
Bonds is average
Bridges has promise
Yeah Bonds bit
How is Bonds average? Because he had one good year? He's been getting burnt all year! As for Bridges, he's a 28 year old second year player who was a safety everywhere else he played and got put at corner because they didn't address the position properly. I saw another poster say this, but I think it bears repeating: not every player is developing if they're a playing bad. They just might not be good enough.
You can disagree with me all you want, but don't say I am giving no content when you're just jumping on the sword for every player with no explanation as to why people are incorrect.
The running game is working so we kill the drive by throwing a slimy ball in the rain. Makes sense. SMH
Send at least 4, even if it's not a DL.
A rare sighting of the elusive WPG sack! An endangered species.
Joking aside, good job guys, that's what we need to see.
loose with it - in bad weather lock the ball down
bad coaching bad playing
D says hi, nice pressure
Wow just gifted a 7
I can't fault Vaval for that. It's pouring. Now our defense has to do something they haven't done in awhile: back to back stops.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:33:00 PMA rare sighting of the elusive WPG sack! An endangered species.
Joking aside, good job guys, that's what we need to see.
hey now our season total might be tied with Sasks total last night!
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:31:20 PMHow is Bonds average? Because he had one good year? He's been getting burnt all year! As for Bridges, he's a 28 year old second year player who was a safety everywhere else
Bonds had an ok year on a top-DB team. He was never "great". Bridges is just worse.
I knew Vaval would cough one up soon, because he always holds it loosely.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:33:23 PMloose with it - in bad weather lock the ball down
bad coaching bad playing
He's bobbled the ball in every game. He's terrible at this.
Had nothing to do with the weather, he tries to switch hands while getting tackled.
Oh gawd please, not a fumble ... give me a break.
This not fun to watch. At all. Not used to this.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:32:21 PMSend at least 4, even if it's not a DL.
We generally do. This year...
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:33:23 PMloose with it - in bad weather lock the ball down
bad coaching bad playing
almost like complacency is one of the things killing us and our coaching and management is the most complacent aspect
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:33:31 PMI can't fault Vaval for that. It's pouring. Now our defense has to do something they haven't done in awhile: back to back stops.
Grant is playing in the same weather, he hasn't coughed it up. Oh ya, that's because we spent like 4 seasons training Grant how to not fumble.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:35:27 PMalmost like complacency is one of the things killing us and our coaching and management is the most complacent aspect
I don't know if this is an example of complacency.
It's a new player who is in because the starter got injured and they didn't want to give duties back to the guy who had it last year.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:34:12 PMhey now our season total might be tied with Sasks total last night!
Let's not get ahead of ourselves!
Ooh my god, can anything else go wrong for us!?! Jefferson offside, blow coverage for TD and now a fumble.we can't get out of this first quarter fast enough., we re lucky to only give up 3 on that fumble
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:33:31 PMI can't fault Vaval for that. It's pouring. Now our defense has to do something they haven't done in awhile: back to back stops.
Yes you can, switched hands at a terrible time in bad weather
P L E A S E R U N T H E B A L L!
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:33:31 PMI can't fault Vaval for that. It's pouring. Now our defense has to do something they haven't done in awhile: back to back stops.
It wasn't because the ball was wet, he tried to move the ball to the opposite hand while getting tackled.
we look like the elks
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:34:35 PMHe's bobbled the ball in every game. He's terrible at this.
Had nothing to do with the weather, he tries to switch hands while getting tackled.
Not terrible at this, has been decide and is learning
Yes a few blunders
how many Coors does the zipp need tonight ??
Quote from: Pete on July 26, 2025, 11:38:24 PMwe look like the elks
Nope just some bad plays in a row
That may be the worst snap by a WPG C ever. I've never seen such a thing.
That should have been procedure on our centre.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:38:27 PMNot terrible at this, has been decide and is learning
Yes a few blunders
That's the definition of being terrible. Maybe he can get better, maybe he can't, but right now he is very poor at this job.
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:39:11 PMThat should have been procedure on our centre.
Oh there's the call!!
What the heck was that!
grant is taking one back tonight.
the stupidest stuff happens in Toronto
Vaughters has some moves!
Quote from: markf on July 26, 2025, 11:35:00 PMThis not fun to watch. At all. Not used to this.
If you pick us to lose, it's a lot easier to handle.
there we go
There we go!
Wet field works in our favour!
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:39:35 PMThat's the definition of being terrible. Maybe he can get better, maybe he can't, but right now he is very poor at this job.
His stats are decent,he is not terrible,he is new at this
There we go, that should balance the forum out for 5 mins lol
Sky was falling there lol
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:40:27 PMIf you pick us to lose, it's a lot easier to handle.
Terrible outlook, man.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:39:53 PMgrant is taking one back tonight.
the stupidest stuff happens in Toronto
Nope not in rain
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:41:07 PMTerrible outlook, man.
Techno gone full negative mode
It happens, hope is on the rise
is Bridges your brother in law blue?
Haha so it's pouring rain and you call that play? Just push Streveler if anything. Bad coaching
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:40:55 PMHis stats are decent,he is not terrible,he is new at this
Not talking about his stats. I'm talking about his ability to catch and hold onto the ball. Which has done very poorly in every single game.
This is by far the ugliest game I have ever saw so far. Brutal brutal football
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:39:53 PMgrant is taking one back tonight.
He would have already, but it's wet, so he won't.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:42:32 PMHaha so it's pouring rain and you call that play? Just push Streveler if anything. Bad coaching
I'm sick of the QB sneaks.
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:42:44 PMThis is by far the ugliest game I have ever saw so far. Brutal brutal football
toronto away games are like this..and the weather isn't making it better
vaughters game - blitz all night
Wow, OL may suck total rocks, but DL and blitz package has come to play!
Did we actually learn something from the GC? I'm actually schocked.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:38:54 PMThat may be the worst snap by a WPG C ever. I've never seen such a thing.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:38:54 PMThat may be the worst snap by a WPG C ever. I've never seen such a thing.
he's not good but MOS likes him, he does podcasts with the media team and him and Neufeld are friends so he can play until he doesn't want to anymore
That's no penalty. That's the weakest sauce I've ever seen. He barely had that helmet on.
Oh that's funny, now we sack with a helmet tackle and they DON'T call RTP?
i want 10 sacks
10 sacks...10 beers
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:42:37 PMNot talking about his stats. I'm talking about his ability to catch and hold onto the ball. Which has done very poorly in every single game.
As a whole not terrible, stats are decent
Has made some blunders
A good prospect that can also play D
Not an easy position to learn
Patience grasshopper
Vaughters nice sack
Person getting lots of reps, makes a mistake
Our DL is feasting
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:41:07 PMTerrible outlook, man.
Not if you want to beat jayrock to that jersey. And maybe pick up some easy $ when Vegas gets it wrong...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:45:29 PMThat's no penalty. That's the weakest sauce I've ever seen. He barely had that helmet on.
Oh that's funny, now we sack with a helmet tackle and they DON'T call RTP?
That was really frustrating.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:45:29 PMThat's no penalty. That's the weakest sauce I've ever seen. He barely had that helmet on.
Oh that's funny, now we sack with a helmet tackle and they DON'T call RTP?
Grabbed the face mask announcers said
I wasn't watching the reply too busy typing
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:42:11 PMTechno gone full negative mode
Hey, I will say one thing, if the D keeps this up we will win the game purely on D. O just has to run and not turn it over, kick a lot of FGs.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:45:48 PMAs a whole not terrible, stats are decent
Has made some blunders
A good prospect that can also play D
Not an easy position to learn
Patience grasshopper
Vaughters nice sack
Person getting lots of reps, makes a mistake
Our DL is feasting
.
You're moving the goalposts. I'm not saying he should be cut or he can't improve. I'm saying right now he is not very good at returning and is a liability. Someone else should return in games while he practices more.
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:42:44 PMThis is by far the ugliest game I have ever saw so far. Brutal brutal football
It's raining bad but yes ugly
That was NOT roughing the passer. Terrible Call!!
Those DBs...
Wow, we stunk the joint out in the first quarter but we re winning the game!?! Crazy
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:47:51 PM.
You're moving the goalposts. I'm not saying he should be cut or he can't improve. I'm saying right now he is not very good at returning and is a liability. Someone else should return in games while he practices more.
You said he was terrible, he isn't
Not a difficult argument here
You set the goal post at terrible
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:42:37 PMNot talking about his stats. I'm talking about his ability to catch and hold onto the ball. Which has done very poorly in every single game.
It is coachable / fixable. See: J.Grant. The difference is that Vaval hasn't busted one yet. Not even a really long one. Grant was busting TDs by now in his career.
Wet weather is not an excuse for this level of bad play. Both teams.
I've seen lots of rain games. Rain should not mean this stuff has to happen.
Can make a highlight real of bridges mistakes
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on July 26, 2025, 11:48:13 PMThat was NOT roughing the passer. Terrible Call!!
It was face masking
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:48:55 PMYou said he was terrible, he isn't
Not a difficult argument here
You set the goal post at terrible
He is terrible. He's dropped the ball literally every game.
given it up on 2 and 16. Absolutely comedic defense. Etch-a-sketch would be proud
no pressure - completions.
looks like that are playing on ice
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:42:44 PMThis is by far the ugliest game I have ever saw so far. Brutal brutal football
No, the OTT@CGY game (the only loss for CGY) was worse.
If Zach starts struggling or our guys can't catch slippery balls, I'd just put Strev in for all snaps. OTT won in the rain only because they started their running QB Crum.
Do some sets where Brady and Peterson are in, plus Strev.
No way parker and bridges are getting beat. who would've thought! Maybe next week will be different.
Yeesh. The defence gets the sack or it's a completion.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:44:55 PMhe's not good but MOS likes him, he does podcasts with the media team and him and Neufeld are friends so he can play until he doesn't want to anymore
I said the snap was bad, not Ko-Man himself. Ko-man is the least of our worries on OL. My grading of him is "good enough".
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:49:50 PMHe is terrible. He's dropped the ball literally every game.
Not true, no terrible, shows promise and has made a few mistakes
If he was terrible Case would be playing ahead of him
Hasn't dropped the ball each game to my knowledge
secondary just can't cover
is parker on the field?
What the heck is with our secondary?? They are brutal!!
This is embarrassing. :-\
TOR is now favorite to win by Vegas. They should have talked to me before the game started...
that was a huge drive for toronto - we couldn't get them off the field
Sell your grey cup tix boys we don't stand a chance of making it
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:52:37 PMNot true, it's terrible shows promise and has made a few mistakes
If he was terrible Case would be playing ahead of him
Hasn't dropped the ball each game
It is very true. He hasn't had a single game where he hasn't struggled to catch the ball cleanly. Whatever else he does in his career, right now he is terrible at this skill set.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:52:21 PMI said the snap was bad, not Ko-Man himself. Ko-man is the least of our worries on OL. My grading of him is "good enough".
no but he is also bad. The bombers don't seem to value a good OL much anymore so we'll skate by with him but the difference between him and Eli is marginal.
Same as against Calgary.
Receiver uncovered for six.
Same coaches that had the phenomenal d backfield.
Some of These guys might be not smart enough. Can't fix that with coaching.
And the O has done zilch so far.
Wow.
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:53:08 PMWhat the heck is with our secondary?? They are brutal!!
This is worse than Calgary. They can't cover or tackle.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:51:50 PMNo way parker and bridges are getting beat. who would've thought! Maybe next week will be different.
It's early, can still adjust no need to panic
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:49:30 PMIt was face masking
Didn't see it. At all. I will check again later.
we have to clean up the penalties on returns
anytime we get something going a flag appears
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:52:37 PMNot true, no terrible, shows promise and has made a few mistakes
If he was terrible Case would be playing ahead of him
Hasn't dropped the ball each game to my knowledge
i don't mind Vaval but you're kidding yourself if you think the team would make any sort of adjustments to benefit the on field production
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:54:49 PMunfortunately yes
Who would you suggest one the team is a better option? Has been average this year but not our biggest issue imo
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:56:39 PMWho would you suggest one the team is a better option? Has been average this year but not our biggest issue imo
LOL - the coverage busts are literally our biggest issue!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:54:58 PMIt's early, can still adjust no need to panic
yeah maybe they'll figure it out! It only takes 5 games, two byes and a quarter in the rain!
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:56:20 PMi don't mind Vaval but you're kidding yourself if you think the team would make any sort of adjustments to benefit the on field production
Vaval is there because Logan is hurt
Never spoke of adjustments,now you just making stuff up
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:50:28 PMno pressure - completions.
Arbuckle looking better than Zach, again. TOR RECs which are mediocre at best, looking like all-stars.
Right now I'd say our DL playing better than theirs, but our OL playing worse than theirs.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 26, 2025, 11:57:37 PMyeah maybe they'll figure it out! It only takes 5 games, two byes and a quarter in the rain!
1st three games were good
Last two bad
This one a gong show both sides at times
22 passing yards is not going to cut it
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:57:47 PMArbuckle looking better than Zach, again. TOR RECs which are mediocre at best, looking like all-stars.
Right now I'd say our DL playing better than theirs, but our OL playing worse than theirs.
Arbuckle can't throw dimes like Zach disagree, Zach looks fine
But Arbuckle does too!
Their OL looks bad ours too on pass decent on run
Quote from: dd on July 26, 2025, 11:49:30 PMIt was face masking
I thought the ref signaled Roughing the Passer.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:56:39 PMWho would you suggest one the team is a better option? Has been average this year but not our biggest issue imo
Cam Allen, Michael Griffin. Even swap him and Bridges (who is naturally a safety). Put Brandon Alexander on the PS if he's in shape similar to Nick Taylor last year, or look at who's out there as a free agent. It's not impossible to look to improve, you just can't be so stubborn
on 2nd and long our oline arent able to give Zac any time
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:58:29 PM22 passing yards is not going to cut it
Not a criticism I'd make, actually. We've been prioritizing rushing the ball -like everyone wanted - and we've had a defensive TD and a couple of long drives by TO. Zach hasn't had much opportunity yet.
Quote from: bluengold204 on July 26, 2025, 11:54:09 PMSell your grey cup tix boys we don't stand a chance of making it
Still lots of time. Losing now might force changes and wins later. We're just a few pieces away of having a great team. Everyone picks on the weak links so the great players elsewhere are negated.
P.S. Put Strev in. Now. It's a rain and running game. So let's rain and run. Normally I like Zach in at all times, but this is a special case.
Quote from: 55 Stick Car on July 26, 2025, 11:59:32 PMI thought the ref signaled Roughing the Passer.
They did, can't touch helmet, should have called face mask technically
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:58:16 PM1st three games were good
Last two bad
This one a gong show both sides at times
no they weren't. They were still getting beat, they were getting lucky with bad balls, a good pass rush and the fact Holm and Nichols can erase the middle.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:54:43 PMThis is worse than Calgary. They can't cover or tackle.
Ya, the yards after first contact are real pathetic. And once again the big RECs make the DBs look like little boys.
Haha, speak of the tackling devil... sad.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2025, 11:57:41 PMVaval is there because Logan is hurt
Never spoke of adjustments,now you just making stuff up
you said if he was terrible then Case would play instead. I'm saying our entire OL, most of our secondary and our interior line are all proof that this team is terrified of making adjustments. As I type this, Coxie could've taken a smoke break with the cushion the defense gave him.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:00:19 AMCam Allen, Michael Griffin. Even swap him and Bridges (who is naturally a safety). Put Brandon Alexander on the PS if he's in shape similar to Nick Taylor last year, or look at who's out there as a free agent. It's not impossible to look to improve, you just can't be so stubborn
Allen too raw
Griffin now experience and doing well where he is
Laughable to stay Alexander is a better option who retired because he was done and slow
Allen yes once developed
Nothing about being stubborn, it's fielding the best lineup we have and it's on the field
Yes backend has issues but Parker isn't out biggiest issue imo
they are picking on Bridges - pitch and catch
Haha
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:03:51 AMyou said if he was terrible then Case would play instead. I'm saying our entire OL, most of our secondary and our interior line are all proof that this team is terrified of making adjustments. As I type this, Coxie could've taken a smoke break with the cushion the defense gave him.
Disagree all
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:56:07 PMwe have to clean up the penalties on returns
Ya, we've been doing a lot of those this season, which is entirely 100% not like us at all. We're usually boy scouts on ST, it's the other teams that cheat (or are better at not getting caught).
Zach is beyond cooked. Worst starter in the CFL now EE have sat Ford down.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:04:07 AMthey are picking on Bridges - pitch and catch
They're picking on everyone. No one knows what they're doing tonight.
this defense reminds me of just before we got Alexander at safety
That was pathetic, letting him get an extra 3 yds for 1st down.
Uh oh, our only DL putting in effort is down. That tends to happen to all-effort DL (i.e. Jeffcoat). That's the one downsize.
Expect things to get worse from here.
D has given up trying to tackle. They see how no one else is trying, and they're like "why should I try then?".
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:04:06 AMAllen too raw
Griffin now experience and doing well where he is
Laughable to stay Alexander is a better option who retired because he was done and slow
Allen yes once developed
Nothing about being stubborn, it's fielding the best lineup we have and it's on the field
Yes backend has issues but Parker isn't out biggiest issue imo
So Allen is too raw to play but we should keep playing underperforming players because they *could* get better. At least Alexander wouldn't disappear. You can't say we're playing the best lineup when it's playing bad and still push back that it's no one's fault.
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:05:52 AMZach is beyond cooked. Worst starter in the CFL now EE have sat Ford down.
Zach is a top 3 or 4 QB.
the D forgot how to tackle.
Been a while since the team played this poorly.
Vegas now has WPG as major underdogs in this game. You can make a lot of money if you think WPG will still win!!
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:07:17 AMSo Allen is too raw to play but we should keep playing underperforming players because they *could* get better. At least Alexander wouldn't disappear. You can't say we're playing the best lineup when it's playing bad and still push back that it's no one's fault.
Doubling down on the option to bring back a retired guy who was obviously done
Rushing a rookie and impacting his development
Wow keep digging
Wow, Willie put in effort beyond his little 3Y zone! Haven't seen that in a while.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:07:57 AMVegas now has WPG as major underdogs in this game. You can make a lot of money if you think WPG will still win!!
You're a busy guy! 😀
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:07:19 AMZach is a top 3 or 4 QB.
lol, not in the CFL. Dude is done like dinner.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:05:01 AMDisagree all
thats great, might mean i made a good point. now explain why im wrong without downplaying any of this teams problems
LUcky only 3 points
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2025, 11:58:29 PM22 passing yards is not going to cut it
That's EDM/Ford numbers!
this isnt on Zac, its our oline
Quote from: bluengold204 on July 26, 2025, 11:54:09 PMSell your grey cup tix boys we don't stand a chance of making it
Nah we have a decent chance
Talk to us at labour day, know our chances by then
i take that back
i just said to my son
"zach hasn't thrown a pick yet"
Not a good sign bad duck
Good grief, Zach! What else can go wrong?
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:08:15 AMDoubling down on the option to bring back a retired guy who was obviously done
Rushing a rookie and impacting his development
Wow keep digging
I'm just giving examples, not saying Alexander has it. You wanted options, I gave you them. Don't recall us getting so easily burned last year.
Other teams start rookies (Toronto is literally playing a former wide receiver at safety now and he is probably all-cfl).
Well, that's every team undercutting our short routes.
Either MOS or Hogan said in pressers this week that the RECs have to "help the QB out" by coming back to these balls. Ya, they need to come back, and Zach needs to spot the hawk.
brady hasn't touched the ball in eons
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:12:31 AMI'm just giving examples, not saying Alexander has it. You wanted options, I gave you them. Don't recall us getting so easily burned last year.
Other teams start rookies (Toronto is literally playing a former wide receiver at safety now and he is probably all-cfl).
Don't get better by deletion
Alexander was terrible at the end after a good career
Look at how much our DL now sucks without Vaughters. He's beast, and the only guy trying.
TOR would have 2 more TDs now if Arbuckle hadn't suddenly become so inaccurate.
Nichols smelling one there!!!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:13:41 AMLook at how much our DL now sucks without Vaughters. He's beast, and the only guy trying.
TOR would have 2 more TDs now if Arbuckle hadn't suddenly become so inaccurate.
And people complained about him
Our pillars of strength
Huge loss
if we get any pressure via the blitz it works
points are not coming easy for the bombers so this isn't good
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:12:46 AMBecause he is cooked.
Nah he is a good qb that throws ducks sometimes
dont know how many times ive heard about communication problems in our secondary. Lack of leadership maybe
Zach pick 6 coming up.......
Does the coach throw stuff at half time?
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:12:54 AMbrady hasn't touched the ball in eons
Good ol' Nic.
Quote from: markf on July 26, 2025, 11:54:40 PMSame as against Calgary.
Receiver uncovered for six.
Same coaches that had the phenomenal d backfield.
Some of These guys might be not smart enough. Can't fix that with coaching.
And the O has done zilch so far.
Wow.
This is as bad as we have played in I don't know how long. This is torture to watch. Collectively they should be embarrassed, downright embarrassed of how poorly they are playing
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:05:52 AMZach is beyond cooked. Worst starter in the CFL now EE have sat Ford down.
Zach is fine. He's always been a QB that needs a top OL. If you don't give him one, he struggles.
don't ever say demski isn't a number 1 receiver
lol
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 12:06:04 AMThey're picking on everyone. No one knows what they're doing tonight.
It's both. General confusion AND picking on the "2 B's".
I'll give them a mulligan on that INT, that was '21 GC level goofiness.
i've seen enough from sterns. for the love of god, make changes.
Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 12:15:18 AMdont know how many times ive heard about communication problems in our secondary. Lack of leadership maybe
Is it coaching?? I ve never seen our secondary play this bad
this stuff always seems to happen when we play the argos
that was a high throw to a little reciever
argo bounce
You've got to be effin kidding me. Why does god hate the Bombers?
You can't throw a climb-the-ladder ball to shrimpken Stearns!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:16:14 AMZach is fine. He's always been a QB that needs a top OL. If you don't give him one, he struggles.
Another pick lol, dude plain sucks. He is cooked, noodle of an arm.
I d cut sterns on the spot right now. He's awful
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:17:38 AMi've seen enough from sterns. for the love of god, make changes.
It was a terrible pass.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 12:18:15 AMIt was a terrible pass.
to a terrible receiver. these things can be mutually exclusive
saturday's in Toronto are always bad
Quote from: markf on July 27, 2025, 12:08:58 AMYou're a busy guy! 😀
Always... you should see how many windows I have open
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:17:38 AMi've seen enough from sterns. for the love of god, make changes.
Bad luck there, needed to squeeze it
Sterns hasn't been great, I would like to see Cobb maybe who would you put in?
Wallace got beat zach was about to get hammered... result bad pass.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 12:18:15 AMIt was a terrible pass.
Zach has not been good for awhile now. Total pick machine. Time to move on.
Case is sure improving...not
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2025, 12:17:55 AMYou've got to be effin kidding me. Why does god hate the Bombers?
remember the wind in montreal...this isn't god - they stink
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 12:16:11 AMThis is as bad as we have played in I don't know how long. This is torture to watch. Collectively they should be embarrassed, downright embarrassed of how poorly they are playing
It's one thing to lose to Calgary but losing to a 1-5 team has got to open some eyes in Bomberland. I know it's not Mike O'Shea's M.O. but changes need to be made.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:18:39 AMto a terrible receiver. these things can be mutually exclusive
Not a terrible receiver
Average receiver not playing great this year (yet)
we telegraph our blitzes once again were getting outcoached
out coached
great play call on offense
Only down 12. Can still go to Strev and all-run game.
Vaughters back in, I think our D can stiffen again.
Vaughters back good sign
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:20:12 AMZach has not been good for awhile now. Total pick machine. Time to move on.
I think he is by far our best option still. I don't want to see Strev or Wilson starting.
bridges benched ??
vaval in
Bridges hooked. Vav in.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:20:03 AMBad luck there, needed to squeeze it
Sterns hasn't been great, I would like to see Cobb maybe who would you put in?
Mitchell. I don't care about they don't see him as a slot, he's played it and their player assessments have been questionable this year. If not him, Corcoran. A raw rookie, yes, but offers more as a blocker and at the very least has the reach to knock away Zachs suicide balls. Hopefully O. Wilson is back if the NFL doesn't work out
This team gave up three weeks ago. Time for a major change. MOS....
Every time we go zone they get a 1st down, and usually YAFC. Try some match coverage.
This is a repeat of the GC.
Dinwiddie is actually a genius. Remember, this is Arbuckle: he truly isn't very good.
i want to see TOP - gotta be slanted for TO
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:22:41 AMMitchell. I don't care about they don't see him as a slot, he's played it and their player assessments have been questionable this year. If not him, Corcoran. A raw rookie, yes, but offers more as a blocker and at the very least has the reach to knock away Zachs suicide balls. Hopefully O. Wilson is back if the NFL doesn't work out
He played slot in Edmonton. That's not why he's not in the line up.
Quote from: markf on July 27, 2025, 12:22:35 AMBridges hooked. Vav in.
Good. The guy has been nothing but a liability out there. Need more changes than that though. We are a very bad football team right now. Very bad. We will lose to fajardo and the elks playing like this
O'Shea's been coaching long enough now that he should be a better coach than this. We are definitely not getting the most out of our players. I'm not sold on Hogan either.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:16:24 AMdon't ever say demski isn't a number 1 receiver
He's
our team #1. By season end he'll be lucky to be league top-10.
To win cups you need a top-3 REC, and preferably another top-5. Kenny on our team always meant we had THE #1. Now, not so much.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:23:38 AMEvery time we go zone they get a 1st down, and usually YAFC. Try some match coverage.
This is a repeat of the GC.
Dinwiddie is actually a genius. Remember, this is Arbuckle: he truly isn't very good.
Dinwiddie is obviously a good OC, but so much of tonight is self-inflicted. He's not making our DBs miss tackles
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:10:15 AMthats great, might mean i made a good point. now explain why im wrong without downplaying any of this teams problems
Never down played our problems, didn't agree with your take
OL is not as bad as you stated, we are hurt, when healthy, we will be good
Secondary is decent once we get Bridges figured out, yes 3 bad games here
Interior DL will be better once Woods comes back, yes not a pillar of strength but far from a critical issue
Another lost GC season. Thanks Wade....
Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 12:15:18 AMdont know how many times ive heard about communication problems in our secondary. Lack of leadership maybe
People forget how much "QBing" Biggie and BA37 were doing... Parker isn't as good, clearly. And I think Kyrie is the new leader.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 12:24:13 AMHe played slot in Edmonton. That's not why he's not in the line up.
I agree. It's almost like KW and MOS caught fire end of 2019, carried the momentum until GC 2022 and now we're seeing the grey cup collapses happen in the regular season. It's cool seeing Arbuckle try, hopefully one game we'll see one of our guys do the same
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:22:41 AMMitchell. I don't care about they don't see him as a slot, he's played it and their player assessments have been questionable this year. If not him, Corcoran. A raw rookie, yes, but offers more as a blocker and at the very least has the reach to knock away Zachs suicide balls. Hopefully O. Wilson is back if the NFL doesn't work out
Disagree on Mitchell wrong position and he's obviously isn't showing enough or has issues
Wilson yes please
Haha! Arbuckle doesn't respect us in the slightest! Not scared of the undersized DB/SAMs. Haha.
lol #95......pathetic.
our secondary is undersized, and its hurting us
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:26:48 AMPeople forget how much "QBing" Biggie and BA37 were doing... Parker isn't as good, clearly. And I think Kyrie is the new leader.
and Kyrie doesn't tend to play on passing downs... might be an issue as welll
we are getting bodied by their offense
embarrassing
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:26:28 AMAnother lost GC season. Thanks Wade....
Panic sky is falling moment
It's way to early for this
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:25:56 AMHe's our team #1. By season end he'll be lucky to be league top-10.
To win cups you need a top-3 REC, and preferably another top-5. Kenny on our team always meant we had THE #1. Now, not so much.
Demski will easily be top 10 in yards and TDs end of season.
And Kenny was never the #1 for us. He was always lucky to be in the top 10 (aka never).
Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 12:17:46 AMthis stuff always seems to happen when we play the argos
Oh don't worry. We'll suck this bad (or worse) when facing "real" teams. Until IR returns or replacements...
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:27:32 AMDisagree on Mitchell wrong position and he's obviously isn't showing enough or has issues
Wilson yes please
then cut him! don't pay him! bring new guys in! it's not that hard. MOS and KW are not free of criticism
That's not DPI. Never gonna win.
Coxie mugging him
i don't think that's PI. Didn't wrap him up
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:25:56 AMHe's our team #1. By season end he'll be lucky to be league top-10.
To win cups you need a top-3 REC, and preferably another top-5. Kenny on our team always meant we had THE #1. Now, not so much.
He is a top receiver does everything and everything well
Toldyaso. Dinwiddie is as dumb as Maas on challenges
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:26:48 AMPeople forget how much "QBing" Biggie and BA37 were doing... Parker isn't as good, clearly. And I think Kyrie is the new leader.
Parker is clearly not good at that part. People questioned why we held onto BA for so long, myself included, but this is the answer.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:30:04 AMi don't think that's PI. Didn't wrap him up
Nice call, I thought it was
Missed assignments poor tackling, penalties its been a long while since Ive seen a 3 game stint so bad.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:30:18 AMToldyaso. Dinwiddie is as dumb as Maas on challenges
Nothing to lose from his perspective.
Even Holm is having a bad game.
Whole team is lost. And there seems to be some quit in some of them.
This is new
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:29:23 AMthen cut him! don't pay him! bring new guys in! it's not that hard. MOS and KW are not free of criticism
Yup I would cut him just before 2nd payment due
They just brought in a guy
Zach 50% 79 yards, 2 picks. MOS needs to sit this guy down. Not even a quality back up anymore.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 12:29:09 AMYa, he is....
him and neufeld being re-signed the second the bombers season ends is going to be hilarious
brady not enough touches
not enough effort all around
sound the alarm this team is not the same as past years
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:32:03 AMbrady not enough touches
not enough effort all around
sound the alarm this team is not the same as past years
Brady was getting plenty of touches to start the game, but then we couldn't keep the offence on the field.
Turnovers.
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:20:12 AMZach has not been good for awhile now. Total pick machine. Time to move on.
Move on to who?
Zach been consistently good. A bad few games here.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:31:17 AMYup I would cut him just before 2nd payment due
They just brought in a guy
i've never seen a team healthy scratch two of their three biggest FA signings for the first 6 games. And yeah they did bring in a guy, hopefully he's good and gets a chance.
Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 12:30:37 AMMissed assignments poor tackling, penalties its been a long while since Ive seen a 3 game stint so bad.
At least not in the OShea era. We are a bad bad football team right now
Collaros has thrown 6 interceptions in the last 2 1/2 games. 6!! Egad, I have to go throw up!!
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:32:03 AMbrady not enough touches
not enough effort all around
sound the alarm this team is not the same as past years
No need to sound the alarm. Yes not as good as before but we are not lost.
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:31:46 AMZach 50% 79 yards, 2 picks. MOS needs to sit this guy down. Not even a quality back up anymore.
Nope, a top 4 starter.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:32:03 AMbrady not enough touches
not enough effort all around
sound the alarm this team is not the same as past years
Agree. Small DBs taking a beating. O is terrible. BO20 has to see the ball more. Glad the Blue Jay game is on. Go Jays.
Embarrassed two games in a row, minimal changes. MOS has lost the handle. Expect this team to roll over in the second. No heart . Poor coaching.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:34:25 AMNo need to sound the alarm. Yes not as good as before but we are not lost.
it needs to be sounded and sounded loud and often. panel agrees
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2025, 12:20:44 AMIt's one thing to lose to Calgary but losing to a 1-5 team has got to open some eyes in Bomberland. I know it's not Mike O'Shea's M.O. but changes need to be made.
Yes. If Schoen is out for the season we need to get a legit real top-5 (or even top-10) REC to make D's have to respect us.
No one respects us right now. They are all laughing.
On D let's shuffle guys and/or bring in talent. What's Houston doing?
On OL, if Lofton and Big Stan are gonna be out, then you need to buy some talent. This is a harder thing to do (great OTs are not sitting on couches).
1-2 "real" RECs, a better OL, and 1-2 better DBs and we are completely different team. Everyone else is pretty darn good.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:34:25 AMNo need to sound the alarm. Yes not as good as before but we are not lost.
Yeah Not sure I can buy into your logic here. This team appears to be totally lost! You can pick any side of the ball and we seem to be lost!
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:35:45 AMit needs to be sounded and sounded loud and often. panel agrees
Way too early to panic
Another awful half of football, but the officiating has been even worse today. Go back to the first play after the 3 minute warning. Toronto throws a screen pass, that turns out wasn't a screen pass as the ball was caught past the LOS, 3 offensive lineman are already down field (penalty- ineligible player down field) no call. Even worse on this play, if you watch the down judge on the sidelines, he didn't put up the sign for a screen pass (which is raising your arm in the air) and no flag gets thrown with 3 ineligible players down field). This is bush league BS on behalf of the CFL officials. They are supposed to know the rules, but sadly have no clue.
5.0 odds for a WPG outright win right now(!!). If you are sure WPG will win (that we don't really suck) then go put your money where your mouth is. $20 will get you $100. That's an amazing payout.
Start Strev and run the ball to start the 3rd. quarter.
Quote from: BBRT on July 27, 2025, 12:36:28 AMYeah Not sure I can buy into your logic here. This team appears to be totally lost! You can pick any side of the ball and we seem to be lost!
I see an average ball club who laid two eggs in Calgary and this one is an gong show. Not worried. We are not great anyone, we are also not as bad as many are making us out to be.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 12:37:46 AMStart Strev and run the ball to start the 3rd. quarter.
Great way to lose the game. Terrible idea on so many levels.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:35:45 AMit needs to be sounded and sounded loud and often. panel agrees
Everyone sees it. Except the few rainbow and unicorn people. This is a really bad football team.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:22:25 AMbridges benched ??
Really?? Wow! Are you guys sure? How many series?
This is a very rare non-injury yank from MOS. I'm actually shocked.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 12:37:46 AMStart Strev and run the ball to start the 3rd. quarter.
Could not be worse, less turn overs at least. Zach is a pick machine now. His arm has left the chat.....
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:36:05 AMYes. If Schoen is out for the season we need to get a legit real top-5 (or even top-10) REC to make D's have to respect us.
No one respects us right now. They are all laughing.
On D let's shuffle guys and/or bring in talent. What's Houston doing?
On OL, if Lofton and Big Stan are gonna be out, then you need to buy some talent. This is a harder thing to do (great OTs are not sitting on couches).
1-2 "real" RECs, a better OL, and 1-2 better DBs and we are completely different team. Everyone else is pretty darn good.
OL is healthy is fine
One more receiver, two if Schoen out long term
Yes another DB please needs to step up
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:39:27 AMCould not be worse, less turn overs at least. Zach is a pick machine now. His arm has left the chat.....
His arm is fine, threw a world class ball to Wheatie
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:36:05 AMYes. If Schoen is out for the season we need to get a legit real top-5 (or even top-10) REC to make D's have to respect us.
No one respects us right now. They are all laughing.
On D let's shuffle guys and/or bring in talent. What's Houston doing?
On OL, if Lofton and Big Stan are gonna be out, then you need to buy some talent. This is a harder thing to do (great OTs are not sitting on couches).
1-2 "real" RECs, a better OL, and 1-2 better DBs and we are completely different team. Everyone else is pretty darn good.
those are off season changes - we swung and missed in the off season and this is what we have. changes are needed but not sure it's possible to the degree you are suggesting.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:40:06 AMOL is healthy is fine
One more receiver, two if Schoen out long term
Yes another DB please needs to step up
how is the OL fine? Who has been above average? So we need WRs? Who?
Why do we need new receivers but don't need no new DBs when all of our starters are either veterans or second year or more players at both positions
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:27:42 AMlol #95......pathetic.
He wasn't the one getting pancaked by Arbuckle... Go back to MBB.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:39:01 AMReally?? Wow! Are you guys sure? How many series?
This is a very rare non-injury yank from MOS. I'm actually shocked.
It was the last little bit of the second quarter. He had the tackle of one of Arbuckle's runs.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:40:50 AMthose are off season changes - we swung and missed in the off season and this is what we have. changes are needed but not sure it's possible to the degree you are suggesting.
yeah no our problems are self made and our only hope is that management actually has the stones to acknowledge that to themselves. I am doubtful they will
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 12:28:41 AMDemski will easily be top 10 in yards and TDs end of season.
Nope. I'll bet money on it.
Kate said it was a "great first half". I guess that means she is an Argos fan. Not surprised.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:40:34 AMHis arm is fine, threw a world class ball to Wheatie
An 8 yard pass is world class????
I would suggest that those calling and agreeing that Thomas is pathetic go to practice and tell him that to his face
No need for that language on here imo
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:40:34 AMHis arm is fine, threw a world class ball to Wheatie
The opposition loves his throws. No question there, soft and off target. Right into their hands....
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 12:43:43 AMAn 8 yard pass is world class????
He threw a medium long dime to Wheatie in the end zone that was dropped due to wet weather. Yes it was a world class throw and the announcers said it was a nice ball.
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:45:30 AMThe opposition loves his throws. No question there, soft and off target. Right into their hands....
Nope he is a top 4 qb
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:30:08 AMHe is a top receiver does everything and everything well
I agree. But he's not a REC that makes teams quake. He's not a league top-3. He's never been a Kenny or E.Lewis. He's a great REC for what he is, and I would never want to lose him.
He never had the huge yardage/TDs that Schoen did in his first 2 seasons. Schoen was a legit threat, even though he's never been "circus" like the best of the best.
zach hurt will not return
No Zach!
Go all-Strev and go 90% run. Put in 3 RBs, Brady, Peterson, Strev. Just run it as long as it's raining.
D will need to stiffen up like they started the game. Fake some pressure at times and INT the screen...
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:46:02 AMNope he is a top 4 qb
In what league....? lol. Anyway, he done.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:42:15 AMhow is the OL fine? Who has been above average? So we need WRs? Who?
Why do we need new receivers but don't need no new DBs when all of our starters are either veterans or second year or more players at both positions
Our OL is fine when healthy
I would like us to find another reciever
I would like db to step up
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 12:48:11 AMIn what league....? lol. Anyway, he done.
Cfl top 4 qb
Been elite most of it
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:42:21 AMHe wasn't the one getting pancaked by Arbuckle... Go back to MBB.
That group will be enjoying this game. Thrilled actually
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:44:14 AMI would suggest that those calling and agreeing that Thomas is pathetic go to practice and tell him that to his face
No need for that language on here imo
oh my goodness haha. he's a professional football player and he can be criticized. His play is pathetic but only because the Bombers drag him out way too much and put him in positions and situations in which he will not succeed. If you don't like criticism, just go away. We are losing 25-10 to a 1-5 team with 10 points off turnovers and whose leading receiver has more yards and touchdowns than our entire offense. Log off if you can't take it
hoping the leash for strev is very short
Person big game
Leaving it in the air as to whether Zach is injured or not is smart. Lets everyone "save face" and takes the pressure off him and the coaches.
If we wanted to bring in Strev, this is the best way to do it.
But please for the love of God don't put in Pocket Wilson!! We need pure runners right now. And don't have Strev throwing much.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:38:13 AMGreat way to lose the game. Terrible idea on so many levels.
Aaaaaand who's starting at Qb to start the 3rd quarter!?
2nd and 16 - easy conversion.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:48:13 AMOur OL is fine when healthy
I would like us to find another reciever
I would like db to step up
how? who? There is one starter missing. Most teams are in similar situations with better results.
And you didn't answer my question.
Letting teams waltz on us after a big sack to convert 2nd & 16 is pathetic. We haven't been that bad since BLM/CGY used to do that to us nearly a decade ago.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:48:36 AMCfl top 4 qb
Been elite most of it
lol, several teams have better backups. Much better.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:49:25 AMoh my goodness haha. he's a professional football player and he can be criticized. His play is pathetic but only because the Bombers drag him out way too much and put him in positions and situations in which he will not succeed. If you don't like criticism, just go away. We are losing 25-10 to a 1-5 team with 10 points off turnovers and whose leading receiver has more yards and touchdowns than our entire offense. Log off if you can't take it
I prefer to post with respect and don't post things I would tell a player to their face
Telling to me logoff is over the top
I have been on this forum a long time not going anywhere
Thomas a good depth cdn
D is getting shredded. Nothing changed. We're toast.
defence is just so bad and it isn't like we have injuries to blame it on
It could be second and 50 and any team could convert iit vs this POS defense.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2025, 12:52:15 AMD is getting shredded. Nothing changed. We're toast.
Need to get pressure all we got at the moment
Wow, 8.6 odds right now. I've never seen such a massive change at this point in the game before. Remember, WPG was picked to win this game by 4.5.
If it goes to 10 I'll put some money on a Strev miracle!!
Will the Argos lay 50 on us?
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 12:53:09 AMIt could be second and 50 and any team could convert iit vs this POS defense.
Ah nice to see we are fully embarassing the panic mode
Not a realistic situation and disagree with the take
Time of possession must be lopsided
This is the series, if the Bombers don't score a TD on this drive, this one is over.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2025, 12:53:46 AMWill the Argos lay 50 on us?
strev will be good for a pick 6 and then argos will stop trying.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:51:35 AMI prefer to post with respect and don't post things I would tell a player to their face
Telling to me logoff is over the top
I have been on this forum a long time not going anywhere
i know you have and i appreciate your time here but repeatedly telling people they're wrong when the results are happening right in front of our eyes and offering absolutely no constructive input is just a waste of your time and others. You don't want to see negativity, then don't expose yourself to it.
As for Thomas and what people have said, again, get over it. The Bombers are putting him in over his head. On top of that, youre ignoring context. He's playing extremely poorly and he's in the second highest professional football league in the world. there are expectations for play and he doesn't meet them athletically, which takes him out of the race to begin with. It's honestly crazy to see guys like Oakman, M. Johnson, Ceresna, Mustafa Johnson, etc playing the same position and being told to be content with Thomas
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 12:55:30 AMThis is the series, if the Bombers don't score a TD on this drive, this one is over.
With pts there is a slight chance
One thing I'll say is that the run game usually does better with Strev.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 10:16:58 PMAnd it's not much of a statement if you beat a 1-5 team, but man is it going to be a statement if we lose.
statement isn't finalized but it is being written
Well, just as terrible.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:57:13 AMstatement isn't finalized but it is being written
Tonight has been a statement, no doubt.
what's wrong with just giving it to BO?
Body language to start this half is way off.
It was a heck of a run but when the lemon is out of juice it's out of juice.
Team has given up. They know what time it is......
Right now the Bombers do not look like a pro team.
No quick fix for this either.
I appreciate the attempt.
We haven't run a FG fake since like '15. I like the attempt, but it was a really long one.
oh my god, they're lost! MOS looks like a deer in headlights
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 12:58:24 AMBody language to start this half is way off.
It was a heck of a run but when the lemon is out of juice it's out of juice.
bone dry my friend...it's basically dust..
Horrid coaching. Plain terrible decision making.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 12:56:41 AMi know you have and i appreciate your time here but repeatedly telling people they're wrong when the results are happening right in front of our eyes and offering absolutely no constructive input is just a waste of your time and others. You don't want to see negativity, then don't expose yourself to it.
As for Thomas and what people have said, again, get over it. The Bombers are putting him in over his head. On top of that, youre ignoring context. He's playing extremely poorly and he's in the second highest professional football league in the world. there are expectations for play and he doesn't meet them athletically, which takes him out of the race to begin with. It's honestly crazy to see guys like Oakman, M. Johnson, Ceresna, Mustafa Johnson, etc playing the same position and being told to be content with Thomas
I am here to state my opinion, we all are
You often get upset if I challenge you
I am fine with criticim
Just because I don't agree with the majority doesn't mean I'm wrong
The negativity on here peaked just before we went to 5 cups, I wasn't wrong then and took all kinds of heat for supporting Hall, MOS , our D and management
I call it like I see it
Thomas is a good depth cdn rotational player at the end of his career
If you believe I'm wasting your time, don't respond to me
I offer plenty constructive input
You comparisons to Thomas are not even close to fair, needs to be compared to older cdn dt depth guys
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:59:25 AMbone dry my friend...it's basically dust..
And you know what? That's okay. It sucks. Bad timing with the Grey Cup. But it's been a heck of a ride since 2019.
I'm not sure how much of this is solvable this year but it's safe to say we'll look really different next year.
Enjoy all your favorites from the run. We'll be back.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:40:50 AMthose are off season changes - we swung and missed in the off season and this is what we have. changes are needed but not sure it's possible to the degree you are suggesting.
There are couch sitters we can get, excpet at OT. We can get the rest with trades near the deadline. EDM & OTT will be shedding assets.
Remember, we're sitting on gobs of SMS space.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:01:29 AMAnd you know what? That's okay. It sucks. Bad timing with the Grey Cup. But it's been a heck of a ride since 2019.
I'm not sure how much of this is solvable this year but it's safe to say we'll look really different next year.
Enjoy all your favorites from the run.
that's the kicker...home grey cup
Odds of WPG win are over 10.0 now. From favorites to this...
Nice play Devon Adams! Looks like a world class sprinter compared to the others we have in there at DT!
i want to see what Terry can do
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 01:04:12 AMNice play Devon Adams! Looks like a world class sprinter compared to the others we have in there at DT!
Adams is a good player
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:00:57 AMI am here to state my opinion, we all are
You often get upset if I challenge you
I am fine with criticim
Just because I don't agree with the majority doesn't mean I'm wrong
The negativity on here peaked just before we went to 5 cups, I wasn't wrong then and took all kinds of heat for supporting Hall, MOS , our D and management
I call it like I see it
Thomas is a good depth cdn rotational player at the end of his career
i've given you actual responses and you reply with absolutely no point besides "no". It's because you challenge any negativity because you can't handle nuance. and we went to five straight cups and lost the last three because we got too cocky and folded like cheap chairs when any sort of adversity came up (before you challenge me, look at what Rasheed Bailey said before GC 2023).
You just proved most posters points at the end there. Thomas is a fine guy to get Kornelson or even maybe Adamson reps. But he's a starter and plays a ton of reps
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:02:35 AMthat's the kicker...home grey cup
I'm not going to doomsday this. Too many people did that last year.
Zach clearly hurt. Stanley is out. Brady hasn't gotten going. There are reasons to believe we can get it figured out before the playoffs.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:05:04 AMAdams is a good player
i like Adams, he and Woods should do a lot for us
Demski hurt wow
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 12:47:33 AMzach hurt will not return
Nah, just gettin' the Bridges treatment.
Don't have Strev throw! Holy smokes. It should be run run run.
Now Demski getting hurt, ugh.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:04:13 AMi want to see what Terry can do
I'm not sure why other than backup QB syndrome.
Helmet to helmet, no challenge. Coaching is awful.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:05:33 AMI'm not going to doomsday this. Too many people did that last year.
Zach clearly hurt. Stanley is out. Brady hasn't gotten going. There are reasons to believe we can get it figured out before the playoffs.
Fair. We'll see. There's just too much sms going to players who can't elevate anymore in my opinion.
I don't think there's much we could have done about it.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:06:57 AMI'm not sure why other than backup QB syndrome.
honestly just curious
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 01:05:13 AMi've given you actual responses and you reply with absolutely no point besides "no". It's because you challenge any negativity because you can't handle nuance. and we went to five straight cups and lost the last three because we got too cocky and folded like cheap chairs when any sort of adversity came up (before you challenge me, look at what Rasheed Bailey said before GC 2023).
You just proved most posters points at the end there. Thomas is a fine guy to get Kornelson or even maybe Adamson reps. But he's a starter and plays a ton of reps
Nope I have countered all your posts with explanation and because I don't agree with your take you are now making it personal
You are over generalizing how I post
I like to debate when I don't agree with others
Talk ball please
Don't agree with your take on why we lost those cups, it's way more complex than that
Thomas is a rotational guy that splits reps with Lawson
Our interactions are always the same way, best we end it, provides no value here
We don't see anything the same way and that's fine
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:08:39 AMhonestly just curious
I would be more curious if he was younger.
"skipping rocks". best description of strev's throws
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:10:07 AMNope I have countered all your posts with explanation and because I don't agree with your take you are now making it personal
You are over generalizing how I post
I like to debate when I don't agree with others
Talk ball please
Don't agree with your take on why we lost those cups, it's way more complex than that
Thomas is a rotational guy that splits reps with Lawson
We would love for you to talk ball. All you ever say is they're average, or their learning, or have patience.
Losing their safety is huge
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:11:43 AMWe would love for you to talk ball. All you ever say is they're average, or their learning, or have patience.
Overstating over generalizing making it personal
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:12:11 AMOverstating over generalizing making it personal
Just asked for you to do the same thing you asked of kkc60
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:05:33 AMZach clearly hurt.
There's no "clearly hurt". He got one whack like 20 mins before he left. It's to save face and keep him from thinking he sucks.
Also, in a rain game you put in our version of Crum.
Huh, something to get me a little excited
Nice. run run run run EZ shot.
I bought some WPG at 15.0. Can't resist the miracle comeback odds
Streveler has been no worse than Collaros this year really.
good sidearm ish throw
STREVIES BETTER, STREVIES BETTER!!!!!
Time to plug Zach into the #3 slot for good.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:14:28 AMThere's no "clearly hurt". He got one whack like 20 mins before he left. It's to save face and keep him from thinking he sucks.
Also, in a rain game you put in our version of Crum.
Believe what you want. MOS wouldn't have had him take off his uniform if there wasn't an injury risk. He was hurting going into this one.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:15:35 AMStreveler has been no worse than Collaros this year really.
He's been no better either.
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 01:16:36 AMSTREVIES BETTER, STREVIES BETTER!!!!!
Time to plug Zach into the #3 slot for good.
he likely has a pick 6 in him yet this game ...or at least a really bad throw
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:11:49 AMLosing their safety is huge
This is more key than many would think.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:17:25 AMHe's been no better either.
But Collaros is making 600,000.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:13:06 AMJust asked for you to do the same thing you asked of kkc60
Been talking ball all night
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:10:07 AMNope I have countered all your posts with explanation and because I don't agree with your take you are now making it personal
You are over generalizing how I post
I like to debate when I don't agree with others
Talk ball please
Don't agree with your take on why we lost those cups, it's way more complex than that
Thomas is a rotational guy that splits reps with Lawson
Our interactions are always the same way, best we end it, provides no value here
We don't see anything the same way and that's fine
you haven't though. I asked why you think the bombers need new receivers but not DBs and you just repeated yourself. I am talking ball, and I would love to with you. But you haven't at any point actually given any explanation. I'd love to talk football with you, but you haven't given me any level of substance which makes it extremely difficult to actually discuss, it just alienates anyone who doesn't say good things.
Ok, now can the defence get some stops or are the Argos going to drive a stake through our hearts?
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:17:49 AMhe likely has a pick 6 in him yet this game ...or at least a really bad throw
Still light years ahead of Zach at this point.
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 01:16:36 AMSTREVIES BETTER, STREVIES BETTER!!!!!
Time to plug Zach into the #3 slot for good.
Terrible idea
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:15:35 AMStreveler has been no worse than Collaros this year really.
Yes he has
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:16:53 AMBelieve what you want. MOS wouldn't have had him take off his uniform if there wasn't an injury risk. He was hurting going into this one.
There is no doubt whatsoever if this was a dry game and it was competitive right now that Zach would still be in. NO DOUBT
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 01:18:52 AMStill light years ahead of Zach at this point.
No he isn't
Strev a good backup, good drive!
Nice td throw
i like the heat
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:18:05 AMBut Collaros is making 600,000.
Fair, his play isn't up to that anymore.
But we gotta hope there's a higher ceiling for him still or we're down anyway.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:15:31 AMNice. run run run run EZ shot.
I bought some WPG at 15.0. Can't resist the miracle comeback odds
Reasonable
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:19:16 AMThere is no doubt whatsoever if this was a dry game and it was competitive right now that Zach would still be in. NO DOUBT
*if it was a dry game
2nd down defence is a joke
I'm very sorry but Jake Thomas cannot be on the field anymore.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:19:57 AMi like the heat
Has our front-7 scheme vastly improved (finally) or is the TOR OL as bad as ours?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:21:00 AMI'm very sorry but Jake Thomas cannot be on the field anymore.
Who gets his reps? Lawson been no better
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:21:00 AMI'm very sorry but Jake Thomas cannot be on the field anymore.
it's embarrassing for the league.
Small sample size but I like Vaval more at CB than at returner.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:16:53 AMBelieve what you want. MOS wouldn't have had him take off his uniform if there wasn't an injury risk. He was hurting going into this one.
Have to agree. He seemed to be fighting off some tears too.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:22:02 AMWho gets his reps? Lawson been no better
there is no solution, we just gotta accept the trash before us and play two american DTs the second we can
There's that crap tackling again. Every REC making 3 guys whiff.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:22:02 AMWho gets his reps? Lawson been no better
Woods, hopefully.
eaten up by the screen. peewee football defence
Another forward pass with ineligible lineman downfield blocking.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 01:18:30 AMyou haven't though. I asked why you think the bombers need new receivers but not DBs and you just repeated yourself. I am talking ball, and I would love to with you. But you haven't at any point actually given any explanation. I'd love to talk football with you, but you haven't given me any level of substance which makes it extremely difficult to actually discuss, it just alienates anyone who doesn't say good things.
I want one more reciever and someone else to step up at Db
You are really splitting hairs here
Over generalizing how I post
You consistently don't react well when I debate or disagree with you
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:22:48 AMHave to agree. He seemed to be fighting off some tears too.
Tears because it's his first "benching" in blue & gold...
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:05:33 AMI'm not going to doomsday this. Too many people did that last year.
Zach clearly hurt. Stanley is out. Brady hasn't gotten going. There are reasons to believe we can get it figured out before the playoffs.
Who and how do you figure out our defense. What was once our strength is now a laughing stock
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:23:18 AMeaten up by the screen. peewee football defence
Not a screen, caught beyond the LOS. Refs have missed this all game.
*gets momentum*
*had that momentum killed by David Ingerer and Nick Arbuckles feet*
leave the defense in Toronto
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 01:22:23 AMit's embarrassing for the league.
Having an aging vet play too many snaps isn't embarrassing, lol.
I would just remind everyone that the Bombers started last season 0-4, they looked at least as bad in those games as they do right now, all of the same things were being said about many of the same players, it was a good run while it lasted, Collaros is done, yadda yadda yadda...
I'd rather they go through a string like this in July, rather than in October, the way the Riders do.
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:23:34 AMAnother forward pass with ineligible lineman downfield blocking.
Pretty sure that's just an NFL thing?
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:23:34 AMI want one more reciever and someone else to step up at Db
You are really splitting hairs here
Over generalizing how I post
You consistently don't react well when I debate or disagree with you
Fans have every right to be upset after the effort this month
surprised argos ran it on 2nd and 5
thanks argos - you beat yourself on that play, bombers can't beat you.
Quote from: John T. on July 27, 2025, 01:24:39 AMI would just remind everyone that the Bombers started last season 0-4, they looked at least as bad in those games as they do right now, all of the same things were being said about many of the same players, it was a good run while it lasted, Collaros is done, yadda yadda yadda...
I'd rather they go through a string like this in July, rather than in October, the way the Riders do.
Nice to have someone else seeing the forest through the trees
Agree all
Yay! Bridges will be back now! Just when our D was looking ok...
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 12:38:13 AMGreat way to lose the game. Terrible idea on so many levels.
Strev pumps some life into the O, IMO. D needs a 2 and out now.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:25:56 AMsurprised argos ran it on 2nd and 5
thanks argos - you beat yourself on that play, bombers can't beat you.
Wow the negativity is really building
We good against the run today
Give some credit wow
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:23:39 AMTears because it's his first "benching" in blue & gold...
Why are you so adamant he's not hurt? When have we ever pulled Zach at the half if not hurt?
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 01:26:23 AMStrev pumps some life into the O, IMO. D needs a 2 and out now.
Get me another major and we he jacked
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:25:11 AMPretty sure that's just an NFL thing?
Nope, it's a CFL thing too
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:27:08 AMWhy are you so adamant he's not hurt? When have we ever pulled Zach at the half if not hurt?
He is hurt 100%
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:23:34 AMI want one more reciever and someone else to step up at Db
You are really splitting hairs here
Over generalizing how I post
You consistently don't react well when I debate or disagree with you
But why? Who should step up? A starter or Allen? If Allen, you said he was raw. If Bridges/Parker, why do they get a longer leash than say Sterns or Case, who have almost the exact same amount of experience. I have asked this question three times, you can say I don't like when you disagree but really I just want to know why you disagree. Who knows, maybe I'll agree with your point. So make it
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:24:12 AMNot a screen, caught beyond the LOS. Refs have missed this all game.
middle screen...been a play forever
Quote from: John T. on July 27, 2025, 01:24:39 AMI would just remind everyone that the Bombers started last season 0-4, they looked at least as bad in those games as they do right now, all of the same things were being said about many of the same players, it was a good run while it lasted, Collaros is done, yadda yadda yadda...
I'd rather they go through a string like this in July, rather than in October, the way the Riders do.
Sorta. I don't think we looked this bad, nor lost as bad. We were finding ways to lose in somewhat competitive games. This season we're getting blown out.
The problem here is we're getting killed by a 1-win team with no QB and all their star D lost to FA.
But I agree, you can't write off our whole season. There are puzzle pieces to solve, and we'll be a great team.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:27:24 AMDon't need to start 8 Canadians
Wood can't take Thomas reps as suggested just not that simple
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:27:08 AMWhy are you so adamant he's not hurt? When have we ever pulled Zach at the half if not hurt?
Techno likes to make up narratives in his head. It makes the games more exciting for him.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:19:40 AMNo he isn't
Strev a good backup, good drive!
Nice td throw
Zach would be an average backup at best. He is no longer starter material. Strevy has some upside, Zach is getting worse every start.
Swiss cheese D gave up to many yards and time.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:27:55 AMWood can't take Thomas reps as suggested just not that simple
We start 8 Canadians. You can bench Thomas and never give him another snap any time they want.
It really is that simple.
This is different than last year, unfortunately.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:27:08 AMWhy are you so adamant he's not hurt? When have we ever pulled Zach at the half if not hurt?
Because he threw for like 22 yards in a half. We were going to lose even worse if we didn't pull him because it's a wet game and our RECs suck and OL sucks. Why would you subject Zach to that, AND lose the game?
And I looked at his hits, it was nothing at all.
The proof will be when he starts next week and practices on day 1.
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:27:20 AMNope, it's a CFL thing too
Then what's the penalty they announce for it? Never once in my life heard "ineligible player downfield" or similar in CFL.
Collaros played today like he played a lot of last year and this year. Maybe he's hurt but it doesn't really matter.
What a sad season this is turning out to be. Very likely they dont even make the playoffs. The D is bad. At least there is another year of Collaros to look forward to.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 01:27:30 AMBut why? Who should step up? A starter or Allen? If Allen, you said he was raw. If Bridges/Parker, why do they get a longer leash than say Sterns or Case, who have almost the exact same amount of experience. I have asked this question three times, you can say I don't like when you disagree but really I just want to know why you disagree. Who knows, maybe I'll agree with your point. So make it
You are really pushing the boundaries here,you are trolling me now for a response
Techno suggested bringing in 2 receivers, I would like one brought in
Dump Mitchell already said that
Vaval might be the answer on corner not sold on that yet
Bridges could still step up
Parker is a vet his leash is very long
I already said no to Allen now maybe later
I am ok with Case as backup, Sterns I give a little more time
You are not reading what I have posted previously
i think you have to go for it
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:30:24 AMBecause he threw for like 22 yards in a half. We were going to lose even worse if we didn't pull him because it's a wet game and our RECs suck and OL sucks. Why would you subject Zach to that, AND lose the game?
And I looked at his hits, it was nothing at all.
The proof will be when he starts next week and practices on day 1.
That's not proof. They're taking him out for precautionary reasons so he doesn't get a season ending injury in the same way they took him out last week.
You're right that the wet weather probably plays a factor.
Quote from: Ducky on July 27, 2025, 01:32:11 AMWhat a sad season this is turning out to be. Very likely they dont even make the playoffs. The D is bad. At least there is another year of Collaros to look forward to.
Way to early to state any of that
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:27:44 AMmiddle screen...been a play forever
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A screen pass is when the ball is caught behind the line of scrimmage. This play and the one at the 3 min warning in the first half were both caught past the line of scrimmage. Both had 3 lineman downfield blocking which is a penalty.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:32:51 AMi think you have to go for it
Nope lots of time
Need a turnover
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:31:11 AMThen what's the penalty they announce for it? Never once in my life heard "ineligible player downfield" or similar in CFL.
We've been called for it this year, I think. Or in the grey cup perhaps?
I remember being really annoyed that a play was called back because one of our OL was a yard too far down the field or something.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:32:54 AMThat's not proof.
I don't have any proof of anything. It's my educated guess and I explained my reasoning. I think MOS finally is realizing the direness of the situation, losing to 1-win crap no-QB TOR.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:30:24 AMBecause he threw for like 22 yards in a half. We were going to lose even worse if we didn't pull him because it's a wet game and our RECs suck and OL sucks. Why would you subject Zach to that, AND lose the game?
And I looked at his hits, it was nothing at all.
The proof will be when he starts next week and practices on day 1.
I don't doubt he might practice & start. But that doesn't prove anything for how he's feeling right now. This is typical concussion symptoms. I think he down played his symptoms.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:30:03 AMWe start 8 Canadians. You can bench Thomas and never give him another snap any time they want.
It really is that simple.
Disagree
We rotate Thomas and Lawson
Woods evening making the roster is tough
He isn't taking our Cdn Dl reps
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:34:36 AMI don't have any proof of anything. It's my educated guess and I explained my reasoning. I think MOS finally is realizing the direness of the situation, losing to 1-win crap no-QB TOR.
I was just responding to you saying "the proof will be.."
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:34:24 AMWe've been called for it this year, I think. Or in the grey cup perhaps?
Then you'll have to come up with the magic words of what they call it, or find the rule in the rulebook, because I've never seen it.
What is is you're saying is illegal? OL guys going downfield too soon on a screen?
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:33:46 AMQuote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:27:44 AMmiddle screen...been a play forever
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A screen pass is when the ball is caught behind the line of scrimmage. This play and the one at the 3 min warning in the first half were both caught past the line of scrimmage. Both had 3 lineman downfield blocking which is a penalty.
hitch screen and middle or center screen are not the same.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:35:35 AMDisagree
We rotate Thomas and Lawson
Woods evening making the roster is tough
He isn't taking our Cdn Dl reps
Not saying he will. I'm saying we could. You told me it wasn't that simple. But it really is.
Griffin is a very good player
Quote from: John T. on July 27, 2025, 01:24:39 AMI would just remind everyone that the Bombers started last season 0-4, they looked at least as bad in those games as they do right now, all of the same things were being said about many of the same players, it was a good run while it lasted, Collaros is done, yadda yadda yadda...
I'd rather they go through a string like this in July, rather than in October, the way the Riders do.
lol, no they didn't. First game against Montreal they looked bad. The next 3 they lost by 4, 3 and 2 points. The next 2 losses after that were by 10 and 2 points. 2 of their first 6 losses were in OT. Quit it with this revisionist nonsense.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:31:11 AMThen what's the penalty they announce for it? Never once in my life heard "ineligible player downfield" or similar in CFL.
Ineligible receiver downfield. Olineman have to report being eligible on a play (Eli TD), as they have ineligible numbers.
These ST penalties are getting boring real fast. Miller get these guys some discipline!
MOS must be livid
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:36:43 AMNot saying he will. I'm saying we could. You told me it wasn't that simple. But it really is.
If it was that simple it would happen and it won't
Proved my point
Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 01:16:36 AMSTREVIES BETTER, STREVIES BETTER!!!!!
Time to plug Zach into the #3 slot for good.
I don't mean to be rude but can you &&*^%%$ up with our #1 QB
Quote from: blueandgoldguy on July 27, 2025, 01:37:34 AMlol, no they didn't. First game against Montreal they looked bad. The next 3 they lost by 4, 3 and 2 points. The next 2 losses after that were by 10 and 2 points. 2 of their first 6 losses were in OT. Quit it with this revisionist nonsense.
3 good games 3 bad games
Average team
Strev can't throw on a bootleg very well
Triple coverage
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:39:09 AMStrev can't throw on a bootleg very well
Triple coverage
WHAT? Have patience.
Nice ball nice catch
Sterns looks good today
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:39:47 AMWHAT? Have patience.
Fishing while moving with lines out
No need for that man, come on
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:31:11 AMThen what's the penalty they announce for it? Never once in my life heard "ineligible player downfield" or similar in CFL.
In the Canadian Football League (CFL), eligible receiver numbers are 0-49 and 70-99. Ineligible receivers must wear numbers 50-69. However, there are exceptions for the long snapper and the two players on either side of them, who can wear any number, but are still considered ineligible. Additionally, players wearing ineligible numbers can report to the referee as eligible receivers for a play, series, or the game.
Key Details:
Eligible Receivers: 0-49 and 70-99.
Ineligible Receivers: 50-69.
Long Snapper Exception: The long snapper and the two players on either side of them can wear any number.
Reporting as Eligible: Players with ineligible numbers can report to the referee to be eligible for a play, series, or game.
Number 0 and 00: Only one player per team can wear either 0 or 00.
Rule 4 -
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:40:23 AMFishing while moving with lines out
No need for that man, come on
Overstated on the negative imo. Stick to football.
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:37:47 AMIneligible receiver downfield. Olineman have to report being eligible on a play (Eli TD), as they have ineligible numbers.
There is literally no such rule in the book. I just checked for anything with "ineligible" in it.
Yes, the hoggies can't catch a ball unless they report as eligible... but that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about hoggies running downfield to block... and that's perfectly allowed in the CFL.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:36:11 AMhitch screen and middle or center screen are not the same.
Not the point, both plays we're not screens as the point where the ball was caught was ahead of the line of scrimmage. 3 ineligible receivers we're downfield blocking which is a penalty.
Case, a much better choice than Mitchell?
Quote from: barbk on July 27, 2025, 01:38:23 AMI don't mean to be rude but can you &&*^%%$ up with our #1 QB
"Strevy" is a troll and should soon be deported. It's ok to say it once or twice, but you can't fill a thread with garbage.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:38:07 AMIf it was that simple it would happen and it won't
Proved my point
I... don't even know what your point is anymore. What's complicated about starting an extra Import when our ratio allows us to do so?
I don't expect the coaches to make that choice, but there's nothing complicated about making it happen if they did choose to do it.
I guess there's our answer on Case. I think Corcoran would have snagged that one.
Any hope is now lost.
kody case - not ready for primetime, get mitchell in the game
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:41:46 AMThere is literally no such rule in the book. I just checked for anything with "ineligible" in it.
Yes, the hoggies can't catch a ball unless they report as eligible... but that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about hoggies running downfield to block... and that's perfectly allowed in the CFL.
Okay you're a betting man correct? I'll put up $100, and I'll find it for you.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:43:23 AMI... don't even know what your point is anymore. What's complicated about starting an extra Import when our ratio allows us to do so?
I don't expect the coaches to make that choice, but there's nothing complicated about making it happen if they did choose to do it.
Woods doesn't replace a Cdn DL
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:35:35 AMDisagree
We rotate Thomas and Lawson
Woods evening making the roster is tough
He isn't taking our Cdn Dl reps
Drop Bridges, put parker at CB, then lay Griffin at S. passing situations, Paul Wilson, and put Griffin closer to the line of scrimmage put Hall in at safety and just have him drop back and help cover anything deep which Parker has struggled to do. It seems or drop sterns and start cob or Corcoran. The production will not change too much offensively.
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:40:54 AMIn the Canadian Football League (CFL), eligible receiver numbers are 0-49 and 70-99. Ineligible receivers must wear numbers 50-69.
Yes, yes yes, but what's the penalty. Show me the penalty text.
Bye bye Cody case, that was a gimme catch and you managed to drop it. Awesome. Our receiving corps is by far the weakest in the league. Other than Demski, not sure any could start for any other team.
we've talked about Case, Bridges, and Thomas not being good enough. Every fan but Blueforlife can see that. Yet our coaches can't. The evaluation of talent is not good. I really have to question their process
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:43:15 AM"Strevy" is a troll and should soon be deported. It's ok to say it once or twice, but you can't fill a thread with garbage.
Just a matter of time, we gotta stop feeding him
Not sure how the rules are applied but the NFL sure does call ineligible downfield wayy more closely.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:43:52 AMkody case - not ready for primetime, get mitchell in the game
Ya, but Mitchell will suck too
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:43:15 AM"Strevy" is a troll and should soon be deported. It's ok to say it once or twice, but you can't fill a thread with garbage.
So how do we get this troll back onto the rider forum?
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:43:52 AMkody case - not ready for primetime, get mitchell in the game
I am all for making a player earn his spot on the field. I would hate for coaches to keep terrible players in the field just because the team is paying them a big contract, so I've been fine with him being benched.
BUT, that said, seeing the man play before, it's hard to believe he can't help out right now.
Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 01:45:39 AMwe've talked about Case, Bridges, and Thomas not being good enough. Every fan but Blueforlife can see that. Yet our coaches can't. The evaluation of talent is not good. I really have to question their process
Personal shot that is not true
I believe on Thomas as a rotational depth cdn
Case not sold never said I was
Bridges having issues but shows promise but certainly an issue
Please don't post things about me that are incorrect
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:44:33 AMOkay you're a betting man correct? I'll put up $100, and I'll find it for you.
If you mean some penalty for hoggies blocking downfield (nothing to do with catches) then you're on. $100
Quote from: barbk on July 27, 2025, 01:46:44 AMSo how do we get this troll back onto the rider forum?
Trade?
Case will be needed with Vaval hurt
Now he is hurt wow ankle won't be good
Case won't be a problem anymore lol.
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:42:34 AMNot the point, both plays we're not screens as the point where the ball was caught was ahead of the line of scrimmage. 3 ineligible receivers we're downfield blocking which is a penalty.
i think they are still considered a screen pass if it is caught ahead of the LOS.
That penalty is called in the nfl a lot
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:47:48 AMIf you mean some penalty for hoggies blocking downfield (nothing to do with catches) then you're on. $100
Here you go. You can transfer me the $100.
In CFL (Canadian Football League) rules, an ineligible receiver downfield is a penalty called against the offensive team when a forward pass is thrown and an ineligible player (typically an offensive lineman) is beyond the line of scrimmage before the pass is thrown. This penalty results in a 10-yard penalty from the previous spot of the down. The rule aims to balance player safety and offensive opportunities.
Key points about the rule:
Ineligible Player:
In the CFL, players who are not wearing eligible receiver numbers (50-69) are considered ineligible receivers, even if they line up in an eligible position.
Line of Scrimmage:
Ineligible players are restricted from advancing beyond one yard past the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown.
Downfield:
If an ineligible player crosses that one-yard mark before the pass is thrown, it's a penalty.
Penalty:
The penalty for an ineligible receiver downfield is 10 yards from the previous spot.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:48:33 AMCase won't be a problem anymore lol.
Exactly what I thought. Now we get to see Mitchell. Sucks for case, looks like a break.
Goveia spent the extra $400k SMS, and that's why he has Kenny. We pretended the $400k didn't exist and we'll only have one capable REC until Schoen or Pokey returns.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 01:44:46 AMDrop Bridges, put parker at CB, then lay Griffin at S. passing situations, Paul Wilson, and put Griffin closer to the line of scrimmage put Hall in at safety and just have him drop back and help cover anything deep which Parker has struggled to do. It seems or drop sterns and start cob or Corcoran. The production will not change too much offensively.
Disagree dropping Bridges
Disagree Parker at corner, too old for that
Griffen play well in his role no change needed
Hall? Put our coach in?
Sterns looks ok today, Cobb I'm curious for
Corcoran needs time to season, not good to rush
I don't have the answer for our secondary
Vaval hurt doesn't help our case
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:50:58 AMHere you go. You can transfer me the $100.
In CFL (Canadian Football League) rules, an ineligible receiver downfield is a penalty called against the offensive team when a forward pass is thrown and an ineligible player (typically an offensive lineman) is beyond the line of scrimmage before the pass is thrown. This penalty results in a 10-yard penalty from the previous spot of the down. The rule aims to balance player safety and offensive opportunities.
Key points about the rule:
Ineligible Player:
In the CFL, players who are not wearing eligible receiver numbers (50-69) are considered ineligible receivers, even if they line up in an eligible position.
Line of Scrimmage:
Ineligible players are restricted from advancing beyond one yard past the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown.
Downfield:
If an ineligible player crosses that one-yard mark before the pass is thrown, it's a penalty.
Penalty:
The penalty for an ineligible receiver downfield is 10 yards from the previous spot.
If you just copy pasted the AI answer from Google, that's not a source. It seems to be summarizing the NFL rule.
Not to say it's not in the CFL rule book, but you still can't point out to Techno where it is.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:48:33 AMCase won't be a problem anymore lol.
Laughing at a person's serious injury is as disrespectful as it gets
He was our only returner at the moment
Ill
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 01:53:22 AMIf you just copy pasted the AI answer from Google, that's not a source. It seems to be summarizing the NFL rule.
Not to say it's not in the CFL rule book, but you still can't point out to Techno where it is.
I'll be calling Monday night and asking the coach. Or I'll just talk to other officials such as myself and get the rule number for him.
Well, 3 straight embarrassing loses. We haven't seen this since 2014, before the turn around.
Oh, and in no way is this about players in general (not just hoggies) blocking downfield before the pass. I'm not betting about that!
You are saying there is the "hoggie illegally downfield" thing that they call in the NFL all the time.
There are rules that NO ONE can block downfield before the pass EXCPET on behind-LoS passes. That's called fairly often in CFL. It's "Illegal Interference - Blocking Downfield", but it is not unique to hoggies -- it applies to EVERYONE.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:41:46 AMThere is literally no such rule in the book. I just checked for anything with "ineligible" in it.
Yes, the hoggies can't catch a ball unless they report as eligible... but that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about hoggies running downfield to block... and that's perfectly allowed in the CFL.
Rule 6, section 4, article 9, written in plain black and white as jdrattops said. You armchair officials make me laugh and there's a few of you
Even in garbage time Streveler can't drive the field for Tds. ::)
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:53:47 AMLaughing at a person's serious injury is as disrespectful as it gets
He was our only returner at the moment
Person is fine. Still in.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 01:55:53 AMRule 6, section 4, article 9, written in plain black and white as jdrattops said.
Thank you DD
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:50:58 AMHere you go. You can transfer me the $100.
In CFL (Canadian Football League) rules, an ineligible receiver downfield is a penalty
Forget AI. Show me this in the rulebook. The words you cite do not exist there.
Cite me the section/article/rule in the current book.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:51:32 AMDisagree dropping Bridges
Disagree Parker at corner, too old for that
Griffen play well in his role no change needed
Hall? Put our coach in?
Sterns looks ok today, Cobb I'm curious for
Corcoran needs time to season, not good to rush
I don't have the answer for our secondary
Vaval hurt doesn't help our case
Parker is 27, Bridges is 28.
Our defense is not playing well. In 2019 we moved Alexander from HB to safety mid season and look how that turned out.
I meant Hallett, silly auto correct.
So wait, you don't have an answer for our secondary, but you know my answer is wrong. Maybe expand your horizons and see how others see. You can't say you don't know what to do with our secondary but also say that absolutely nothing should change. If anything, you're proving my point. Sure, maybe my answers aren't right but at least i'm trying here. You're just shooting down any other option and admitting you don't have any alternative options besides the status quo, which isn't working.
I can't understand why you're so scared of playing rookies but so okay with mediocre or below average veterans except because your fandom lets known players be passable regardless of results but rookies are an unfamiliar quantity which you can't support. And i'm not trying to be personal, i'm trying to understand your point, which you have not explained besides the absolute bare minimum.
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:54:47 AMIll
I'll be calling Monday night and asking the coach. Or I'll just talk to other officials such as myself and get the rule number for him.
thanks - confirm the definition of a screen pass is ONLY behind the LOS, i am pretty sure they commonly use the term for a middle play where defense is allowed to rush and the ball is thrown over the LOS to the RB.
the penalty you referred to is called a lot more in the NFL - especially last season
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:55:23 AMOh, and in no way is this about players in general (not just hoggies) blocking downfield before the pass. I'm not betting about that!
You are saying there is the "hoggie illegally downfield" thing that they call in the NFL all the time.
There are rules that NO ONE can block downfield before the pass EXCPET on behind-LoS passes. That's called fairly often in CFL. It's "Illegal Interference - Blocking Downfield", but it is not unique to hoggies -- it applies to EVERYONE.
An offensive lineman cannot be downfield in the CFL on a forward pass, period. They can on a screen pass, they can on a run play, but can't be on a forward pass which were the 2 plays I've been speaking about and you've been debating on.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:56:17 AMPerson is fine. Still in.
Laughing at a players injury is disrespectful and has no place on here
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:53:47 AMLaughing at a person's serious injury is as disrespectful as it gets
No one is laughing. We all feel bad for Case.
We're just saying that this solves the "dilemma" of whether to start Mitchell over Case. The choice has been made for us.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 01:59:03 AMNo one is laughing. We all feel bad for Case.
We're just saying that this solves the "dilemma" of whether to start Mitchell over Case. The choice has been made for us.
He literally posted a lol after stating he was injured
Yes yes he was
I can believe you were not
What a fitting way to end this disaster, Olivera fumbles. We are a very bad football team right now
I have never been so glad a game was over. What a stinking mess!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 01:58:57 AMLaughing at a players injury is disrespectful and has no place on here
Sigh. You're going to have a long season, PJ.
How do they fix this?
To even look like a CFL team?
Too many leaks?
Back to the drawing board that was really bad!
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:54:47 AMI'll be calling Monday night and asking the coach. Or I'll just talk to other officials such as myself and get the rule number for him.
https://cfldb.ca/rulebook/
You can download the whole thing or run word/phrase searches online. I'm looking right at the book, looking for all your keywords, and it's literally not a thing. I've never seen that NFL penalty be called in the CFL in the last 10 years. Never.
Now, it MAY be in the book, under different words, in which case I'll owe you $100. But I seriously doubt it, because there's
very little in the CFL rulebook I haven't come across yet.
Remember, I read the rule book for fun.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:00:02 AMHe literally posted a lol after stating he was injured
Yes yes he was
I can believe you were not
I wasn't. But even if I was, I can if I want. You certainly aren't going to stop me.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:00:28 AMSigh. You're going to have a long season, PJ.
You said the same in the preseason just because we don't agree doesn't mean anything to me
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:02:00 AMI wasn't. But even if I was, I can if I want. You certainly aren't going to stop me.
I don't believe in disrespectful posts about anyone in this league
Happy you were not laughing at him
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 01:55:53 AMRule 6, section 4, article 9, written in plain black and white as jdrattops said. You armchair officials make me laugh and there's a few of you
You're not following along. jdra says this is a hoggie-only rule.
We are not talking about the frequently-called penalty you cite above. Everyone knows that penalty.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:03:25 AMI don't believe in disrespectful posts about anyone in this league
We know. Nobody cares.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 01:56:17 AMPerson is fine. Still in.
I resisted the Person pun longer than you did...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:01:33 AMhttps://cfldb.ca/rulebook/
You can download the whole thing or run word/phrase searches online. I'm looking right at the book, looking for all your keywords, and it's literally not a thing. I've never seen that NFL penalty be called in the CFL in the last 10 years. Never.
Now, it MAY be in the book, under different words, in which case I'll owe you $100. But I seriously doubt it, because there's very little in the CFL rulebook I haven't come across yet.
Remember, I read the rule book for fun.
I just messaged my CFL official friend and will get you the Rule number, etc.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:04:03 AMI resisted the Person pun longer than you did...
He looked okay today actually!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:03:58 AMWe know. Nobody cares.
The level of pettiness you show on here is sad
Always making it personal
Please stop
Re this "strevy" poster.
Clearly a troll. Just here to annoy.
Please get rid of that person. Things are bad enough without that kind of stuff.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:00:02 AMHe literally posted a lol after stating he was injured
Ya, but at that moment no one knew he broke his foot for a likely season-ender. Dude probably thought it was just another minor injury like Vaughters had earlier.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 02:00:09 AMWhat a fitting way to end this disaster, Olivera fumbles. We are a very bad football team right now
Yeah maybe time to back up the truck and offload a few folks. However based on some lousy recruiting by Bomber Management Mother Hubbard's Cupboard is pretty bare. Not sure what talent is still available.
I don't see much hope for any major improvement at this stage - however having said that could be be any worse?
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 01:58:45 AMAn offensive lineman cannot be downfield in the CFL on a forward pass, period. They can on a screen pass, they can on a run play, but can't be on a forward pass which were the 2 plays I've been speaking about and you've been debating on.
Literally not in the rule book, that I can find so far anyway.
Maybe you're right, I've just never seen it in the book, and no one here has yet either.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 02:00:09 AMWhat a fitting way to end this disaster, Olivera fumbles. We are a very bad football team right now
Ya, and TOR was going pretty easy on us at the end to save us embarrassment and injury. They could have put the wood down and made us the laughing stock.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:06:19 AMYa, but at that moment no one knew he broke his foot for a likely season-ender. Dude probably thought it was just another minor injury like Vaughters had earlier.
I believe he was making light of an injury to a fringe player he wasn't in favour of and I don't agree with that
Case is a valued member of this club and community and deserves more respect than that imo
Quote from: markf on July 27, 2025, 02:00:56 AMHow do they fix this?
To even look like a CFL team?
Too many leaks?
I don't think so, way to many things to fix. O line will be better when Stanley comes back but are still pretty bad. Qb plAy has been bad, Collaros or streveller. Receivers with the exception of Demski can all be flushed. Defense- DL is bad, and secondary, yikes, putrid. Like you say, too many leaks. I'd be happy if they played respectable football. What we saw tonight was disgusting. Forget about talking about grey cup, I don't think we make the playoffs with this sad group
Quote from: jdrattops on July 27, 2025, 02:05:03 AMI just messaged my CFL official friend and will get you the Rule number, etc.
Ok, no rush. I won't flake out. It's a fair bet as I've heard others think there's this rule in the CFL too. Maybe there is.
However, I'm not sure why you can't do word searches in the book right now. Clearly you're not illiterate! Just search for a specific word and keep hitting F3 until you exhaust the book.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:09:10 AMI believe he was making light of an injury to a fringe player he wasn't on favour of
lol I'm making fun of this post.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:07:56 AMYa, and TOR was going pretty easy on us at the end to save us embarrassment and injury. They could have put the wood down and made us the laughing stock.
They didn't have to make us a laughing stock, we did that to ourselves!!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:10:52 AMlol I'm making fun of this post.
No you are trolling please stop
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:12:07 AMNo you are trolling
I'm contributing like you contribute. End of. Overstated on the negative, imo.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 02:10:23 AMI don't think so, way to many things to fix. O line will be better when Stanley comes back but are still pretty bad. Qb plAy has been bad, Collaros or streveller. Receivers with the exception of Demski can all be flushed. Defense- DL is bad, and secondary, yikes, putrid. Like you say, too many leaks. I'd be happy if they played respectable football. What we saw tonight was disgusting. Forget about talking about grey cup, I don't think we make the playoffs with this sad group
the most concerning part of the OL discourse is that we aren't doing well up front because our almost 40 year old tackle is out with injury. Like what if he wasn't here at all? or what's the plan for the very near future when he retires? or why do we need a 39 year old left tackle? he obviously has lost a step or several
Quote from: markf on July 27, 2025, 02:06:15 AMRe this "strevy" poster.
Clearly a troll. Just here to annoy.
Please get rid of that person. Things are bad enough without that kind of stuff.
Should have been gone a week ago
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:12:27 AMI'm contributing like you contribute. End of. Overstated on the negative, imo.
Please stop trolling it's against the rules
You are showing disrespect for a player, me and the rules of this forum
Please stop
Just making it Hard on the mods, they don't deserve to have to clean up your pointless posts
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 02:10:23 AMI don't think so, way to many things to fix. O line will be better when Stanley comes back but are still pretty bad. Qb plAy has been bad, Collaros or streveller. Receivers with the exception of Demski can all be flushed. Defense- DL is bad, and secondary, yikes, putrid. Like you say, too many leaks. I'd be happy if they played respectable football. What we saw tonight was disgusting. Forget about talking about grey cup, I don't think we make the playoffs with this sad group
We have a great OL on the roster already, we just need to start them (i.e. get healthy or freeze them up):
Stan Ran/Van Ko-man Neuf Lofton
The Vant/Ran
OT experiment is done. It was doomed before it started. Maybe Randolph can fill in at RT in a pinch.
DL played much better this game. Scheme can help a lot.
REC need some top names helicoptered in pronto.
DB bench Bridges and helicopter someone in.
Simple. We could be vastly better with literally 2, maybe 3, top pick-ups. And there are guys out there!! And there's trades to be had later in the season.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:14:40 AMPlease stop trolling it's against the rules
You are showing a complete disrespect for a player, me and the rules of this forum
Please stop
Focus on football?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:10:52 AMlol I'm making fun of this post.
I think SB&G has been trying to drink this game pretty... time for bed SB&G!
We need a different answer than: We need to watch the film & correct the mistakes
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:12:27 AMI'm contributing like you contribute. End of. Overstated on the negative, imo.
Let stick to the Bombers vs picking on other people.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 02:13:30 AMthe most concerning part of the OL discourse is that we aren't doing well up front because our almost 40 year old tackle is out with injury. Like what if he wasn't here at all? or what's the plan for the very near future when he retires?
Top FA. Just like we spent big to get Big Stan, we should spend big to buy the league-best LT. I'm eyeing CGY's guy.
We will never dev a top LT in-house. Never.
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 02:17:08 AMLet stick to the Bombers vs picking on other people.
Thanks man
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:17:18 AMYes please
Trolling is not talking ball
You've spent 3 pages admonishing me for saying "lol"
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:14:53 AMWe have a great OL on the roster already, we just need to start them (i.e. get healthy or freeze them up):
Stan Ran/Van Ko-man Neuf Lofton
The Vant/Ran OT experiment is done. It was doomed before it started. Maybe Randolph can fill in at RT in a pinch.
DL played much better this game. Scheme can help a lot.
REC need some top names helicoptered in pronto.
DB bench Bridges and helicopter someone in.
Simple. We could be vastly better with literally 2, maybe 3, top pick-ups. And there are guys out there!! And there's trades to be had later in the season.
We have needed receiver help since game 1, what are we waiting for, who are they going to bring in?? Tonight's receiving group was a sham, 2 wouldn't be starting on any other team but our sad group. Ain't going no where with this group. Our secondary is hopeless. Will lose again next week, book it.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:17:45 AMYou've spent 3 pages admonishing me for saying "lol"
You laughed at a player's injury which I disagreed with and then you continue to troll me for many posts.Others don't see value in what you're doing.And I'm sure The Mods don't either.You seem to like to try to get a rise out of me which I don't agree with and don't appreciate it.It's against the rules.Please stop thank you
I don't come on here to be trolled and bullied
You have continued to do this repeatedly
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:17:16 AMTop FA. Just like we spent big to get Big Stan, we should spend big to buy the league-best LT. I'm eyeing CGY's guy.
We will never dev a top LT in-house. Never.
but the league now is not what it was. Stan wasn't even the best OT in FA that year. And the only reason we got him was Calgary was mid-dynasty and were losing guys like we have been lately. We need to scout guys, and that hasn't happened yet
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:17:45 AMYou've spent 3 pages admonishing me for saying "lol"
Changing the Subject the Bombers are NOT a good team as this point and everyone needs to look in the mirror especially the Coaches.
best by arbuckle again - 2nd and long conversions were terrible by our defence. our DL is still bad and secondary is suspect. we are lacking talent and that is on Walters - got fat n sassy in the offseason thinking we could lose players and not be impacted. it happens - our downslope is well underway.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 02:18:39 AMWe have needed receiver help since game 1, what are we waiting for, who are they going to bring in?? Tonight's receiving group was a sham, 2 wouldn't be starting on any other team but our sad group. Ain't going no where with this group. Our secondary is hopeless. Will lose again next week, book it.
I'm in the "lose next week" camp too. However, I won't make any declaration until I see the roster. And maybe KW will make some moves, however out of character that may be.
There's always hope... until the depth chart is released.
On the bright side, I made so much easy $ tonight that it won't matter if jrda is right and I'm wrong! :D :D :D :D
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 02:20:42 AMThe. bombers will have difficulty finishing out of the basement.
Looks like the team has quit.
If you don't have decent athletes you don't play man.
If you have half a brain you play zone and run to the ball
This was supposed to be. Tackle football. I have seen better competition and skills in the local touch football league.
Has anyone taught DB to break down when approaching to tackle?
Zac is done?,hurt? I guess, another concussion? Same one?,he did bump his head. Bump! Not collision, bump. Mrs Collaros, get him a job! Did you all see him on the sideline? Eyes half closed? Zac thanks for the memories, but hang them up buddy.
Defensive backs? Where did they get these guys? They didn't have a knockdown. They were never close!
Who are we paying big bucks to?
Who are the leaders on this team?
Brady and Demski. I guess.?
Receivers? Invisible!
Nobody played at a winning level. Some guys tried. But again are there any other leaders.
This team will be hard pressed to win another game. Receivers can't out run American DBs. How many passes were thrown to. The wide receivers?
Zac was let down by his receivers who dropped catchable balls. What are the crowd numbers going to be like. Next home game? How does the lake sound?
I wonder what the BC posters will say how good we played?
Hard to argue your points , lets hope they Bombers are not as bad as it seems but it seems they are very bad.
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 02:20:42 AMThe. bombers will have difficulty finishing out of the basement.
Looks like the team has quit.
If you don't have decent athletes you don't play man.
If you have half a brain you play zone and run to the ball
This was supposed to be. Tackle football. I have seen better competition and skills in the local touch football league.
Has anyone taught DB to break down when approaching to tackle?
Zac is done?,hurt? I guess, another concussion? Same one?,he did bump his head. Bump! Not collision, bump. Mrs Collaros, get him a job! Did you all see him on the sideline? Eyes half closed? Zac thanks for the memories, but hang them up buddy.
Defensive backs? Where did they get these guys? They didn't have a knockdown. They were never close!
Who are we paying big bucks to?
Who are the leaders on this team?
Brady and Demski. I guess.?
Receivers? Invisible!
Nobody played at a winning level. Some guys tried. But again are there any other leaders.
This team will be hard pressed to win another game. Receivers can't out run American DBs. How many passes were thrown to. The wide receivers?
Zac was let down by his receivers who dropped catchable balls. What are the crowd numbers going to be like. Next home game? How does the lake sound?
I wonder what the BC posters will say how good we played?
well DM - sometimes your posts are kind of incoherent...this one was not. good questions - schemes looked peewee ish and the effort was lacking.
what did MOS say? "gotta watch the film"??
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 02:21:41 AMChanging the Subject the Bombers are NOT a good team as this point and everyone needs to look in the mirror especially the Coaches.
Agreed. Long term it will be okay. O'Shea and Walters can regroup and rebuild.
But short term it's going to be hard. Collaros, Bryant, Willie and Schoen are close to a million dollars who haven't been very good and Oliveria is a really expensive car that can't get out of the garage if we're down by a ton at half time every week.
Our most effective players have been a younger, cheaper salaries and that's never going to work.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 02:20:03 AMYou laughed at a player's injury which I disagreed with and then you continue to troll me for many posts.Others don't see value in what you're doing.And I'm sure The Mods don't either.You seem to like to try to get a rise out of me which I don't agree with and don't appreciate it.It's against the rules.Please stop thank you
I don't come on here to be trolled and bullied
You have continued to do this repeatedly
For what its worth there is no point in arguing with some of the members they all gang up on the newer posters so they can control the site.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 02:21:26 AMWe need to scout guys, and that hasn't happened yet
I hear ya. But it'll never happen. Literally impossible. We haven't dev'd a top OT in, well, forever. Stan & Yoshi were all FA pickups.
Stan may not have been "the best" when we sniped him but he was known to be excellent and clearly showed a bright future.
We need Stan to last through this season. An in-season departure would be disaster. Then in FA we can steal someone, yes pay them big $$. We could even keep Big Stan on as semi-starter or backup or whatever, should he want to play.
Time for Younger to understand the CB, DB and S mix isn't working in his questionable scheme. They made Arbuckle look like a super Qb. with just to much backpedaling space
Is Parker needed as a CB and Allen comes in to Safety
Gotta be a few big changes
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:23:01 AMI'm in the "lose next week" camp too. However, I won't make any declaration until I see the roster. And maybe KW will make some moves, however out of character that may be.
There's always hope... until the depth chart is released.
On the bright side, I made so much easy $ tonight that it won't matter if jrda is right and I'm wrong! :D :D :D :D
Me & Jesse should have bet you $100 too! ;D OShea said it had nothing to do with performance.
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 02:20:42 AMIf you don't have decent athletes you don't play man.
If you have half a brain you play zone and run to the ball
Uh, we played zone like all night long. Hence the easy zone-sitdown completions for 1st down every time.
Playing match coverage would have been a vast improvement. The question then is why are we not playing match like we're known for??
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:26:09 AMI hear ya. But it'll never happen. Literally impossible. We haven't dev'd a top OT in, well, forever. Stan & Yoshi were all FA pickups.
Stan may not have been "the best" when we sniped him but he was known to be excellent and clearly showed a bright future.
We need Stan to last through this season. An in-season departure would be disaster. Then in FA we can steal someone, yes pay them big $$. We could even keep Big Stan on as semi-starter or backup or whatever, should he want to play.
we have found guys, they just start elsewhere: McGloster and Boyd (also, former bomber Dennis Bardwell just signed with the chargers)
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 02:26:52 AMMe & Jesse should have bet you $100 too! ;D OShea said it had nothing to do with performance.
Why, you want to pay me $100? No one has cited anything yet. And I've searched that book up & down for keywords.
One of my close friends once has this interchange with me:
Tecno: I'll bet you $100
Non-close friend: uh, hmmm...
Close-friend: Never bet against Tecno, if he's willing to bet you then he's already 100% sure he's right.
Why? Because I'm the cheapest sob in Winnipeg (and that's saying something).
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 27, 2025, 02:25:23 AMAgreed. Long term it will be okay. O'Shea and Walters can regroup and rebuild.
But short term it's going to be hard. Collaros, Bryant, Willie and Schoen are close to a million dollars who haven't been very good and Oliveria is a really expensive car that can't get out of the garage if we're down by a ton at half time every week.
Our most effective players have been a younger, cheaper salaries and that's never going to work.
I hope that is correct but I am not sure they can recover ( at least not this year ) Collaros has been declining for 3 years now and we have a Rookie OC is he going to be good who knows our DC seems to be struggling as well was Bighill a big part of or D was he helping the Coaches to be better ? A lot of unanswered questions at this point and I have very little faith the Bombers can turn things around at this point.
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 02:31:37 AMwe have found guys, they just start elsewhere: McGloster and Boyd (also, former bomber Dennis Bardwell just signed with the chargers)
Deving them for 1-2 years and never starting them, then letting them walk is not going to help us.
McGloster is the one gem in the poop pile, and we made a big mistake letting him walk. However, he's good, but not great... and not a LT.
I'm telling you, buy a top FA LT. It's the only way.
Edit: What did we let McGloster walk for? I bet peanuts, like $20k over ELC. Yes, he did take 1-2 more seasons to dev into a real starter, but he could have been deving here!
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 02:33:12 AMI hope that is correct but I am not sure they can recover ( at least not this year ) Collaros has been declining for 3 years now and we have a Rookie OC is he going to be good who knows our DC seems to be struggling as well was Bighill a big part of or D was he helping the Coaches to be better ? A lot of unanswered questions at this point and I have very little faith the Bombers can turn things around at this point.
This year it's going to be hard. The defense is a bit of a mess. They finally got a pass rush tonight but it didn't seem to matter. On offence the wheels have fallen off for Zach. Hurt or not, this is the result he usually gets against the Toronto D. No easy answers there.
O'Shea is going to need to reinsert himself as a leader and start the foundation repair from the inside out.
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 02:38:23 AMLet Stan go to the retirement Bombers Hall of Fame. It's a young man's game? Who wants to see our aged veterans play at half speed.
Get rid of that goofy hat guy. What position did he play? And did he coach anywhere before?Is he somebodys friend? Get Adam Bighill back here to coach. Same with Alexander. This defence plays with zero attitude, and the DB coach should go learn a coaching course in how to play man defence and how to tackle..
It's the same offensive play game after game, Dumb *** DB gets fooled by a hitch and go, is neaten by seven yards. Newspaper repot says he neeeds to understand better communication.????. Like where is he from? It's simple, in man put a hand on his hip run with him. Your job isn't QB contain. And yeah your front seven aren't doing their job....which has been all season, actually...
Get some guys who really want to play with tenacity. Jefferson??? First tackle all season tonight?
When does Hamilton. play in Winnipeg? They will put up sixty. This team has made a bunch of awful personnel decisions.
bo and kenny will break Dunigans 713 yards against us
Gotta hand it to Collaros. Getting outplayed twice in a row (first time was last year's Grey Cup) by a weak-armed, slow as molasses Nick Arbuckle is mighty impressive!
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 02:45:52 AMbo and kenny will break Dunigans 713 yards against us
Really ? As bad as they are that is almost impossible in todays CFL.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 02:45:52 AMbo and kenny will break Dunigans 713 yards against us
That is entirely possible. I've never seen our secondary play as bad as it has the last 3 games.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:34:43 AMDeving them for 1-2 years and never starting them, then letting them walk is not going to help us.
McGloster is the one gem in the poop pile, and we made a big mistake letting him walk. However, he's good, but not great... and not a LT.
I'm telling you, buy a top FA LT. It's the only way.
Edit: What did we let McGloster walk for? I bet peanuts, like $20k over ELC. Yes, he did take 1-2 more seasons to dev into a real starter, but he could have been deving here!
we cut them both as well as Jarrell Broxton who has been starting for BC for years.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 03:06:24 AMThat is entirely possible. I've never seen our secondary play as bad as it has the last 3 games.
And in those 3 games we've allowed passing yards of 222, 267, and 316.
But people are expecting 700+??
Cmon guys. Give it a rest.
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 03:10:47 AMAnd in those 3 games we've allowed passing yards of 222, 267, and 316.
But people are expecting 700+??
Cmon guys. Give it a rest.
Bo knows...and our defence doesn't
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 03:10:47 AMAnd in those 3 games we've allowed passing yards of 222, 267, and 316.
But people are expecting 700+??
Cmon guys. Give it a rest.
BLM lead the league in passing last year and you don't think Kenny wants to give it to us?? Add to that the constant 'communication breakdowns', I see guys biting hard on the shallow routes only to get beat by the double move, that ain't a communication breakdown, that's poor coverage. Bridges got hooked, that I god, but we still look bad/soft in coverage
SECTION 4 – FORWARD PASS
Article 9 – Illegal Interference – Blocking Downfield
Prior to a pass being thrown across the line of scrimmage, it is illegal for a Team
A player to initiate a block with a Team B player more than 1 yard across the line
of scrimmage before the pass is deemed complete.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2025, 03:18:48 AMSECTION 4 – FORWARD PASS
Article 9 – Illegal Interference – Blocking Downfield
Prior to a pass being thrown across the line of scrimmage, it is illegal for a Team
A player to initiate a block with a Team B player more than 1 yard across the line
of scrimmage before the pass is deemed complete.
Ya I posted rule 6, section 4 article 9 3 pages ago
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 03:10:47 AMAnd in those 3 games we've allowed passing yards of 222, 267, and 316.
But people are expecting 700+??
Cmon guys. Give it a rest.
The confusion in the secondary is real, I'm pining for BA to restore order and keep those DB's in line. They need a physical leader back there, someone that can take command and provide direction.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 03:24:57 AMThe confusion in the secondary is real, I'm pining for BA to restore order and keep those DB's in line. They need a physical leader back there, someone that can take command and provide direction.
The loss of Alexander and Bighills leadership and knowledge of our defense has been largely dismissed, and man is it evident now. Is Alexander still active/on our roster?? Even if he's not, get him back here. Both our coordinators are in over their heads IMO
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 03:33:12 AMThe O line can't block for Brady, so if he gets Five hundred yds. Consider that success. The Left tackle in for Stan should be cut out right.
They need to remove a receiver or two and bring in. Another big guy as a tight end, and even a second receiver to a tailback or fullback position. They need more speed, as the skill guys on offence don't scare anybody.
Ya vanterpool proved he's no LT again tonight. Bringing in TE help makes too much sense but is beyond our coordinators grasp of pass pro. Maybe run the odd screen too. Toronto schooled us tonight on that!! If anyone should run a screen it's us!!
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 03:29:55 AMThe loss of Alexander and Bighills leadership and knowledge of our defense has been largely dismissed, and man is it evident now. Is Alexander still active/on our roster?? Even if he's not, get him back here. Both our coordinators are in over their heads IMO
BA is working for the team in an ambassador role, not suggesting he come back but they need to find a Safety that can fill his role as a leader.
We suck at OL
We do not run the ball nearly enough.
Zach is toast Imo
Secondary sucks and cannot tackle.
Hogan is a massive disappointment as OC
Younger can't teach tackling
The vets suck other than Demski and Brady not enough of a chance.
Coaching is failing is!!!!
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 02:38:23 AMLet Stan go to the retirement Bombers Hall of Fame. It's a young man's game? Who wants to see our aged veterans play at half speed.
Can't. No one on couch to replace. We don't need
a LT, we need a
top LT. Vanterpool is
a LT.
Nope, we need Big Stan to tough it out one last season and fix the problem in FA.
A few players can come off the 6 game this week. Case could be gone for the season. Have to get Cam Allen into the lineup. Need some size and speed in the secondary.
CS17 11/18, 148 yards, 1 TD. Demski and Case with bad drops.
Corcoran: 4/4 25 yards, 6.3 avg.
Stern: 4/7 72 yards. 18 Avg.
BO20: 13/82 yards, 6.3 Avg. 2/38, 19 yard Avg.
Jones: 7 DTs, 2 Sacks
Vaval: 6 DTs.
Person: 2 DTs, 1 sack, 1 bad penalty.
Vaughter: 3 DTs, 1 Sack. Did damage playing DT.
JT95: 1 DT, far to slow.
Bombers with 5 Sacks. But, 7 turnovers.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2025, 03:18:48 AMSECTION 4 – FORWARD PASS
Article 9 – Illegal Interference – Blocking Downfield
Prior to a pass being thrown across the line of scrimmage, it is illegal for a Team
A player to initiate a block with a Team B player more than 1 yard across the line
of scrimmage before the pass is deemed complete.
Again, that's not what's at issue. jdra says there's a rule like the NFL that applies ONLY TO INELIGIBLE PLAYERS (i.e. hoggies).
Plus, he didn't say them blocking was the main problem, he said them
just being downfield is a foul. In the NFL it is/can be. But I've never seen it in the CFL.
(Ineligible) Hoggies can run anywhere they want and do anything they want like any normal O player
except catch the ball... in the CFL. Find a rule that says they can't. (To be clear, that's not the bet either, I'm simplifying for effect, the bet is that there's a "ineligible receiver downfield" penalty like in the NFL.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 03:55:27 AMAgain, that's not what's at issue. jdra says there's a rule like the NFL that applies ONLY TO INELIGIBLE PLAYERS (i.e. hoggies).
Plus, he didn't say them blocking was the main problem, he said them just being downfield is a foul. In the NFL it is/can be. But I've never seen it in the CFL.
(Ineligible) Hoggies can run anywhere they want and do anything they want like any normal O player except catch the ball... in the CFL. Find a rule that says they can't. (To be clear, that's not the bet either, I'm simplifying for effect, the bet is that there's a "ineligible receiver downfield" penalty like in the NFL.)
I am not sure how this relates to the Bigger Issue the Bomber are not GOOD
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 03:33:12 AMThe O line can't block for Brady, so if he gets Five hundred yds. Consider that success. The Left tackle in for Stan should be cut out right.
Vanterpool was great at LG. That's where he should be, and that's our "desired lineup" coming out of TC. So you don't cut him. You just don't start him at LT!
However, our options are him or a pylon right now...
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 03:29:55 AMThe loss of Alexander and Bighills leadership and knowledge of our defense has been largely dismissed, and man is it evident now. Is Alexander still active/on our roster?? Even if he's not, get him back here. Both our coordinators are in over their heads IMO
BA37 is on the couch, AFAIK.
Yes, letting Biggie just walk away to spill all the beans to main-rival CGY was stupid.
We could have BA37 on the roster, on 6GIR, tomorrow, with no bonus and whatever salary we want to pay him... because there will be ZERO SMS HIT if he stays 6G all year. That's what CGY is doing with Biggie.
It's a free coach, with a decade of wisdom (both players!) helping out the new guys and manning tablets. It doesn't count against the coach cap OR the player cap. For a $-filled team like us, it is stupid we didn't/aren't doing this.
Outsmarted by Dickenson The Greater. Well, there's a reason he's The Greater.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 03:39:18 AMIf anyone should run a screen it's us!!
Except we have a talent for turning screens into pick-6's
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 03:53:37 AMVaval: 6 DTs.
This is astonishing. It means the TOR plan was to attack that corner, and stick with it. They didn't adjust when Bridges was yanked. Well, they didn't need to.
Too bad Vaval may be injured (hopefully minor) because I've had a feeling most of the season he'd be better than Bridges, if only slightly.
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 03:56:56 AMI am not sure how this relates to the Bigger Issue the Bomber are not GOOD
It's not, it's a dare/bet that should really get its own thread now to spare everyone! That said, it is kind of general interest, no? Not the bet, but whether the rule exists?
As CFL uber fans I find it a bit disturbing that no one here has the exact answer to this yet... well, except for me exhausting searches in the rule book on "ineligible" and "downfield", etc, and my decade of being an uber fan nerd who studies rule books.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 04:03:33 AMThis is astonishing. It means the TOR plan was to attack that corner, and stick with it. They didn't adjust when Bridges was yanked. Well, they didn't need to.
Too bad Vaval may be injured (hopefully minor) because I've had a feeling most of the season he'd be better than Bridges, if only slightly.
Big loss if out long
Matthew Scianitti
Chad Kelly's newest stretch on #Argos six game started tonight, which means he could be out until Sept 13 vs #Elks. If #Argos pull him off early, say after Game 5, then that might mean Kelly returns for Labour Day. @TSN_Sports @CFLonTSN
Quote from: DCM on July 27, 2025, 04:07:00 AMMatthew Scianitti
Chad Kelly's newest stretch on #Argos six game started tonight, which means he could be out until Sept 13 vs #Elks. If #Argos pull him off early, say after Game 5, then that might mean Kelly returns for Labour Day. @TSN_Sports @CFLonTSN
Means nothing at all. They can use their "6G-extension" mulligan to still save the SMS, even if they dress him next week. It's like a coy MOS move. Tells us nothing.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 03:53:37 AMA few players can come off the 6 game this week. Case could be gone for the season. Have to get Cam Allen into the lineup. Need some size and speed in the secondary.
CS17 11/18, 148 yards, 1 TD. Demski and Case with bad drops.
Corcoran: 4/4 25 yards, 6.3 avg.
Stern: 4/7 72 yards. 18 Avg.
BO20: 13/82 yards, 6.3 Avg. 2/38, 19 yard Avg.
Jones: 7 DTs, 2 Sacks
Vaval: 6 DTs.
Person: 2 DTs, 1 sack, 1 bad penalty.
Vaughter: 3 DTs, 1 Sack. Did damage playing DT.
JT95: 1 DT, far to slow.
Bombers with 5 Sacks. But, 7 turnovers.
YAC was non-existent, receivers are either on the ground or out of bounds as soon as they catch the ball.
Quote from: blueandgoldguy on July 27, 2025, 03:01:13 AMGotta hand it to Collaros. Getting outplayed twice in a row (first time was last year's Grey Cup) by a weak-armed, slow as molasses Nick Arbuckle is mighty impressive!
Yes Collaros was outplayed but he doesn't play Defense Toronto's Offensive game Plans have been better that ours. I am not defending Collaros I see the decline like everyone else but its not all on him
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 04:08:24 AMMeans nothing at all. They can use their "6G-extension" mulligan to still save the SMS, even if they dress him next week. It's like a coy MOS move. Tells us nothing.
It's called posting updates as I see it. I don't care if it means nothing to you.
Time to bring back Houston and also bring in Holley, both with CFL experience. Why not try and start our third QB cant be any worst.
When is the cut off for vet players to pay them for the whole season?
Schoen was a bust this year dropping easy ones for the money they are paying him. Other than Demski and Wheatfall we have problems
As for the next man up, our OC and DC are not ready for the big show yet, maybe get Jackson more involved in the offence.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 04:08:25 AMYAC was non-existent, receivers are either on the ground or out of bounds as soon as they catch the ball.
This is our M.O. this season. Forget stats that showed we were ok at YAC. Those were just Demski busting some (he's the best), and Wheatie getting lucky with DB overshoots in the first couple of games. And maybe Clercius had a couple.
Other than that we are the kings of zero YAC. Kings of not being open. Kings of not finding the busted coverage. Most other teams can do it... (Or their RECs are 6'6 and 260 lbs and can't be tackled)
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 03:53:37 AMA few players can come off the 6 game this week. Case could be gone for the season. Have to get Cam Allen into the lineup. Need some size and speed in the secondary.
CS17 11/18, 148 yards, 1 TD. Demski and Case with bad drops.
Corcoran: 4/4 25 yards, 6.3 avg.
Stern: 4/7 72 yards. 18 Avg.
BO20: 13/82 yards, 6.3 Avg. 2/38, 19 yard Avg.
Jones: 7 DTs, 2 Sacks
Vaval: 6 DTs.
Person: 2 DTs, 1 sack, 1 bad penalty.
Vaughter: 3 DTs, 1 Sack. Did damage playing DT.
JT95: 1 DT, far to slow.
Bombers with 5 Sacks. But, 7 turnovers.
What JT s too slow?? Really?? I m 66 and could hose him in a foot race!!
Quote from: Blue72 on July 27, 2025, 04:10:10 AMTime to bring back Houston and also bring in Holley, both with CFL experience. Why not try and start our third QB cant be any worst.
Zach will be perfectly fine once we give him a respectable OL. Remember his 400Y game a few weeks ago when we had our best-non-injured OL in for a brief while?
It's the same reason Cody wasn't too great the other night: EDM OL sucks. Unless you have a young whippersnapper running QB (Alexander, Rourke, VAJ) you cannot win anything with a bad OL.
I mean, Vanterpool at LT!??! It's enough to make me laugh.
I would bet large sums of money we get way better once our desired OL is back (if ever).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 03:57:41 AMVanterpool was great at LG. That's where he should be, and that's our "desired lineup" coming out of TC. So you don't cut him. You just don't start him at LT!
However, our options are him or a pylon right now...
Yah I think Vanterpool was seriously winded, could hardly get his hands on edge rushers blowing his doors off. C'mon back Stan, team needs you bad!
Quote from: Blue72 on July 27, 2025, 04:10:10 AMTime to bring back Houston and also bring in Holley, both with CFL experience
Hollins. Ya, airlift Hollins right now, unless he's unsigned because he's another headcase. If he's just holding out for big $, then pay him (but no bonus).
Houston, if he played CB (can't remember), also an instant airlift. Make it so number 1!
We need to spend the extra $400k, and go $99.9k over AT LEAST. This is the year guys!
Quote from: DCM on July 27, 2025, 04:09:43 AMIt's called posting updates as I see it. I don't care if it means nothing to you.
No dig on you! :D :D It was a dig on the move by Dinwiddie. I even upvoted you. I like reports. I don't Twatter.
MOS waffled in the post-game on whether Bridges was yanked or hurt. He passed the buck to Younger, saying it's his choice in these matters.
Pretty obvious Bridges was yanked. Good for Younger (and MOS if he winked & nodded), as we almost never bench in-game (unless garbage time).
As much as I think we need to airlift guys in—a reciever and a DB , that ain't MOS MO. He ll stick with the guys he has, he's loyal to a fault.
So given that, then I don't care what has been going on with Mitchell, but it's time we see him play or cut him losose. There's no point in paying him to sit, go get someone else.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 04:46:21 AMAs much as I think we need to airlift guys in—a reciever and a DB , that ain't MOS MO. He ll stick with the guys he has, he's loyal to a fault.
So given that, then I don't care what has been going on with Mitchell, but it's time we see him play or cut him losose. There's no point in paying him to sit, go get someone else.
Ya, but have we ever had a DB this bad thru 6 games in the Dynasty Era? Even Bonds didn't suck that bad to start '24, and he was pretty bad. I literally can't recall a guy getting that torched that often in recent times.
Even Bonds is on the bubble! And he's 5X better than Bridges.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 04:52:09 AMYa, but have we ever had a DB this bad thru 6 games in the Dynasty Era? Even Bonds didn't suck that bad to start '24, and he was pretty bad. I literally can't recall a guy getting that torched that often in recent times.
Even Bonds is on the bubble! And he's 5X better than Bridges.
Bonds should be gone as well, no question. Couldn't cover a bet.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 04:08:24 AMMeans nothing at all. They can use their "6G-extension" mulligan to still save the SMS, even if they dress him next week. It's like a coy MOS move. Tells us nothing.
Chad Kelly has been on the 1-game IL all season and practicing periodically including twice this past week. He was moved to the 6-game IL today. I see this as a setback.
TOR KELLY, Chad QB
Jul 25 - EXT ON SINGLE GAME INJURY
Jul 26 - TRF TO SIX GAME INJURY
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 27, 2025, 05:10:28 AM
I may be alone here, and that's fine. I may get roasted - go ahead.
O'Shea is approaching this right. I liked his analogy about a car because he doesn't know anything about cars, and so he would panic.
He clearly knows more than I do about coaching football, that is a low bar. I believe he knows more than anyone here on the forum as well.
Even Doug Brown spoke about this post-game - they see these players way more than anyone else, know more about their abilities (this was in relation to the question if Mitchell should start next week, but I think it holds true beyond that topic).
We have had unprecedented success over the past 6 years, at least in the modern era. The ability to assess talent and pull together a winning team doesn't just evaporate.
Now it is true, we have been the big dog for years and we then lose players like every team that has been successful experiences. Honestly we have been way more successful than past teams in keeping players because they want to be here.
And that brings up another major point - the locker room and the buy in this team has had for years. That is a big part of the success over the past 5 years, and years leading up to it.
Most here aren't calling for coach Osh to be fired, but I've seen that - the need for changes all around. That would be a huge mistake. Lose that, and someone else gets that special locker room mentality.
It's been a terrible run of 3 games, worst in a long while.
Let's keep it in perspective.
I don't want another 28 years of hoping to find the right combination to finally be relevant again.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 02:45:52 AMbo and kenny will break Dunigans 713 yards against us
I'll give 2 to one odds they won't
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 27, 2025, 05:50:01 AMI may be alone here, and that's fine. I may get roasted - go ahead.
O'Shea is approaching this right. I liked his analogy about a car because he doesn't know anything about cars, and so he would panic.
He clearly knows more than I do about coaching football, that is a low bar. I believe he knows more than anyone here on the forum as well.
Even Doug Brown spoke about this post-game - they see these players way more than anyone else, know more about their abilities (this was in relation to the question if Mitchell should start next week, but I think it holds true beyond that topic).
We have had unprecedented success over the past 6 years, at least in the modern era. The ability to assess talent and pull together a winning team doesn't just evaporate.
Now it is true, we have been the big dog for years and we then lose players like every team that has been successful experiences. Honestly we have been way more successful than past teams in keeping players because they want to be here.
And that brings up another major point - the locker room and the buy in this team has had for years. That is a big part of the success over the past 5 years, and years leading up to it.
Most here aren't calling for coach Osh to be fired, but I've seen that - the need for changes all around. That would be a huge mistake. Lose that, and someone else gets that special locker room mentality.
It's been a terrible run of 3 games, worst in a long while.
Let's keep it in perspective.
I don't want another 28 years of hoping to find the right combination to finally be relevant again.
Couldn't have said it better myself, we have seen eye to eye on many things on here for years, well said, well written, agree all
Nobody going to roast you on this one
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 04:55:06 AMBonds should be gone as well, no question. Couldn't cover a bet.
Bonds has been a reliable player, calling for his head is a knee jerk reactionary idea. You called for Halls head for the years before we got to 5 cups in a row. Bonds is the least of our worries imo.
Cutting Bonds would instantly make is a worse club and I'll put 3 to 1 odds on its not happening this season.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 03:06:24 AMThat is entirely possible. I've never seen our secondary play as bad as it has the last 3 games.
I got money to take that action all day, will not happen, maybe not ever
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2025, 03:10:47 AMAnd in those 3 games we've allowed passing yards of 222, 267, and 316.
But people are expecting 700+??
Cmon guys. Give it a rest.
I knew the forum would come unhinged but I was wrong, we ripped the door off the frame on this one
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 03:06:24 AMThat is entirely possible. I've never seen our secondary play as bad as it has the last 3 games.
This era off Bombers on has had such a good run that our recent 3 games seam really bad but they are not (based on previous eras). We sucked really bad for many many years outside of the Dave Ritchie years. We use to lose by 40 points. We are an average club, we have seen so much worse but not during this current era.
We have a good QB. It seemed like there was a decade where we didn't. Ok might be stretching a bit.
Those that say Zach is done are wrong imo. When healthy he still has got it. Needs an OL and a good run game. Rest will sort out on O. I don't have the answers for how to fix the secondary.
The suggestion that BA can fix our problems on D is a massive stretch.
I don't think we are getting Hollins.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 27, 2025, 05:48:12 AMChad Kelly has been on the 1-game IL all season and practicing periodically including twice this past week. He was moved to the 6-game IL today. I see this as a setback.
Yowzers! Now THAT is bad GM roster management. What were they thinking?? Imagine the SMS wasted already on this! Pinball out of his mind? Unless he's looking superb out of TC, you put him on the 6G!
Ok, forget what I said, this roster move does mean something now. Not that it helps us... we're gonna lose to their garbage team again next week... probably.
Quote from: dd on July 27, 2025, 04:55:06 AMBonds should be gone as well, no question. Couldn't cover a bet.
Bridges yes. Bonds... you'd have to have someone stellar in the wings, and we don't. One problem at a time. My view of Bonds right now is "adequate". (And let's not forget that I/we thought Bonds was the Bridges of '24... so there is hope for both, really. It's just that I don't think we can wait this time.)
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 27, 2025, 05:50:01 AMO'Shea is approaching this right. I liked his analogy about a car because he doesn't know anything about cars, and so he would panic.
I think it was a dig on us and the pundits/press. Kinda like: shut up, I know my job you don't. I guess that's fair, but we can still have opinions and attempt to study what is going on.
I mostly agree with your post, and in no way should we fire any Mafia.
But it's also clear that the MOS "each guy just wants 1 or 2 plays back" schtick isn't describing the situation properly. Last 3 games it's more like "10 guys want 5-10 plays back, the rest want 1-2 plays back".
And the "you can't just replace a guy and instantly be better" also rings a bit hollow when we see so many other teams load up later in season and instantly be better. Ya, like Sayles or Houston or Ford "coming home" wouldn't instantly make us better with Bridges on the bench. And Kenny or Gino in for Case wouldn't instantly make us better? Even if all of them stunk, they'd all get RESPECT from the other team instead of blatant advantage-taking! That makes their whole unit better.
And Mafia has benched or cut underperforming, or even decent, players mid-season before, and almost always did it make us better for the playoff run. So it's kind of hypocritical to say roster shuffling and helicopter drops can never help.
He's right that this is fixable, and right we'll be better. But key moves have to be made. I expect we may see the start of that very soon with Bridges as the first domino (though if Vaval to IR it makes that harder).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 03:59:49 AMBA37 is on the couch, AFAIK.
Yes, letting Biggie just walk away to spill all the beans to main-rival CGY was stupid.
We could have BA37 on the roster, on 6GIR, tomorrow, with no bonus and whatever salary we want to pay him... because there will be ZERO SMS HIT if he stays 6G all year. That's what CGY is doing with Biggie.
It's a free coach, with a decade of wisdom (both players!) helping out the new guys and manning tablets. It doesn't count against the coach cap OR the player cap. For a $-filled team like us, it is stupid we didn't/aren't doing this.
Outsmarted by Dickenson The Greater. Well, there's a reason he's The Greater.
Alexander is already employed by the Bombers. They call it " amateur football ambassador " but I am sure he also shares his knowledge with the DB's on occasion.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 01:49:06 AMthat foot is broke
No need to be a Dr. When they have to support his foot like that there are broken bones. It's his season, perhaps career. Feel for him.
I posted after last game how our best team has slowly been dismantled by age and free agency. Death by a thousand cuts I called it.
Virtually every major free agent we lost ended in a downgrade. How do we look with Ford, Lawler and Dobson? And that's just this year. Coaching seems the same. When we had Lapo and Hall we dominated the league. Now I wonder if we couldn't improve by swapping Hall with Younger and Jackson with Hogan.
Biggie, Alexander, Andrew Harris, all aged out. We are currently witnessing the final acts for Bryant and Collaros.
It remains to be seen if we can recruit like we used to without Ted Goveia. I am guessing no since this year hasn't produced anyone you would say is a future star.
I think we should take a hard look at what Calgary did this past offseason. That was a big a blow up as I have seen in recent years but it has paid off.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 12:59:05 AMWe haven't run a FG fake since like '15. I like the attempt, but it was a really long one.
One of the more hopeless fakes I have ever seen. Direct snap it or have Sheahan toss it to a real football player, someone faster, someone who can take on contact and still get that last yard that we needed.
Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 01:01:57 PMI posted after last game how our best team has slowly been dismantled by age and free agency. Death by a thousand cuts I called it.
Virtually every major free agent we lost ended in a downgrade. How do we look with Ford, Lawler and Dobson? And that's just this year. Coaching seems the same. When we had Lapo and Hall we dominated the league. Now I wonder if we couldn't improve by swapping Hall with Younger and Jackson with Hogan.
Biggie, Alexander, Andrew Harris, all aged out. We are currently witnessing the final acts for Bryant and Collaros.
It remains to be seen if we can recruit like we used to without Ted Goveia. I am guessing no since this year hasn't produced anyone you would say is a future star.
I think we should take a hard look at what Calgary did this past offseason. That was a big a blow up as I have seen in recent years but it has paid off.
You can add Neufled to the list, but this is all true. There is a cost to going to 5 straight Grey Cups.
Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 12:38:20 PMAlexander is already employed by the Bombers. They call it " amateur football ambassador " but I am sure he also shares his knowledge with the DB's on occasion.
I can say he's popping in at local football teams practices and giving tips.
Our dynasty is officially dead. We got beat by a 1-5 team by 14 who has a ton of injuries including their starting QB.
Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 01:01:57 PMI posted after last game how our best team has slowly been dismantled by age and free agency. Death by a thousand cuts I called it.
Virtually every major free agent we lost ended in a downgrade. How do we look with Ford, Lawler and Dobson? And that's just this year. Coaching seems the same. When we had Lapo and Hall we dominated the league. Now I wonder if we couldn't improve by swapping Hall with Younger and Jackson with Hogan.
Biggie, Alexander, Andrew Harris, all aged out. We are currently witnessing the final acts for Bryant and Collaros.
It remains to be seen if we can recruit like we used to without Ted Goveia. I am guessing no since this year hasn't produced anyone you would say is a future star.
I think we should take a hard look at what Calgary did this past offseason. That was a big a blow up as I have seen in recent years but it has paid off.
Recuiting took a hit no doubt he also scooped the guys he liked from us
Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 12:46:14 PMNo need to be a Dr. When they have to support his foot like that there are broken bones. It's his season, perhaps career. Feel for him.
Showed promise with his speed
Such a setback for him
Nice to see the empathy here
Agree all
Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 01:13:26 PMOne of the more hopeless fakes I have ever seen. Direct snap it or have Sheahan toss it to a real football player, someone faster, someone who can take on contact and still get that last yard that we needed.
Surprised, it must be 5 years since O'Shea last sanctioned a trick play on ST, could be an indicator of desperation setting in as that was an enormous gamble that was unlikely to succeed.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 27, 2025, 02:28:06 PMOur dynasty is officially dead. We got beat by a 1-5 team by 14 who has a ton of injuries including their starting QB.
and it wasn't close
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 10:04:57 AMI think it was a dig on us and the pundits/press. Kinda like: shut up, I know my job you don't. I guess that's fair, but we can still have opinions and attempt to study what is going on.
I mostly agree with your post, and in no way should we fire any Mafia.
But it's also clear that the MOS "each guy just wants 1 or 2 plays back" schtick isn't describing the situation properly. Last 3 games it's more like "10 guys want 5-10 plays back, the rest want 1-2 plays back".
And the "you can't just replace a guy and instantly be better" also rings a bit hollow when we see so many other teams load up later in season and instantly be better. Ya, like Sayles or Houston or Ford "coming home" wouldn't instantly make us better with Bridges on the bench. And Kenny or Gino in for Case wouldn't instantly make us better? Even if all of them stunk, they'd all get RESPECT from the other team instead of blatant advantage-taking! That makes their whole unit better.
And Mafia has benched or cut underperforming, or even decent, players mid-season before, and almost always did it make us better for the playoff run. So it's kind of hypocritical to say roster shuffling and helicopter drops can never help.
He's right that this is fixable, and right we'll be better. But key moves have to be made. I expect we may see the start of that very soon with Bridges as the first domino (though if Vaval to IR it makes that harder).
if he's more focused on taking digs at fans or the media after a third straight belting than any sort of substantive thought, then maybe he's more lost than he looked on the sidelines. This team had more cap space than they have in years, and has had two bye weeks already and yet most of the issues, especially defensively, are not due to injuries but simply either scheme, players or both.
These past three games have all been dreadful and there isn't one reason for that. The entire team is a mess and that's not on pundits or the media or the fans.
No one is going to look good/capable behind the BBs OLine, thats the big problem.
I may be alone in thinking this and that's fine, but having a RB coach as our OC hasn't helped our passing QB. Buck was successful with him, but this year, it has not helped Zach. Being hurt and having a decimated OL hasn't helped either, but the OC hasn't helped the play calling. It is lacklustre at best. Strevy has better packages for him, because he is a running QB. I'm not a fan of that.
Osh was heated watching that game last night. I haven't seen him that tense in a while. I hope it turns into some production and much needed energy for the entire team and coaching staff.
Also, USE BRADY for crying out loud. You have the leagues MOP.. use him!! Unless he has tweaked something?! Is that a possibility why he isn't being used AS MUCH?
Defense, burning Bridges... so bad. Why are we not recruiting many more Dbs? It was nice to see him sit though. Good to see coaches show players they expect more. More of this please.
Letting Biggie go was a big mistake. We could use him right now. I feel he energized Willy and vice versa. Willy needs some support on D. Jones has been ok. I LOVE Evan Holm though. He's excellent.
Who's our QB next year? I cringe wondering. :/
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 27, 2025, 04:52:07 PMNo one is going to look good/capable behind the BBs OLine, thats the big problem.
Not too concerned about the O-line, the ingredients/replacements are there, they're not a small bunch and it's just a matter of time before they become comfortable and improve their chemistry by playing together. Under-performance at QB is more of an issue IMO.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 05:59:00 PMNot too concerned about the O-line, the ingredients/replacements are there, they're not a small bunch and it's just a matter of time before they become comfortable and improve their chemistry by playing together. Under-performance at QB is more of an issue IMO.
Agree OL will sort it out which will sort our our run game and QB play in turn. To start the season I knew out OL would be an issue, started strong, bump in the road and will finish strong. I was pleasantly surprised how good our OL looked early but injuries and setbacks happen. Not worried about the offense if the OL gels and heals.
Quote from: tlf on July 27, 2025, 05:36:49 PMI may be alone in thinking this and that's fine, but having a RB coach as our OC hasn't helped our passing QB. Buck was successful with him, but this year, it has not helped Zach. Being hurt and having a decimated OL hasn't helped either, but the OC hasn't helped the play calling. It is lacklustre at best. Strevy has better packages for him, because he is a running QB. I'm not a fan of that.
Osh was heated watching that game last night. I haven't seen him that tense in a while. I hope it turns into some production and much needed energy for the entire team and coaching staff.
Also, USE BRADY for crying out loud. You have the leagues MOP.. use him!! Unless he has tweaked something?! Is that a possibility why he isn't being used AS MUCH?
Defense, burning Bridges... so bad. Why are we not recruiting many more Dbs? It was nice to see him sit though. Good to see coaches show players they expect more. More of this please.
Letting Biggie go was a big mistake. We could use him right now. I feel he energized Willy and vice versa. Willy needs some support on D. Jones has been ok. I LOVE Evan Holm though. He's excellent.
Who's our QB next year? I cringe wondering. :/
Letting Biggie go was the only way forward. Biggie from 2 or 3 years ago yes we could have used. Aged out, hurt Biggie, nope.
OC will take time. Zach will be fine and lives and dies with play of OL and his health. Brady needs to get back to bully ball on the back of an improved OL.
Bridges has shown enough in his young career that there is still hope, very bad number of games. Holm is a top player.
Willie is a little our of sorts. At his age, he has ups and downs. Not too worried.
We have prospects but nobody ready to step in at DB, yes would have been nice to have someone that is ready. Vaval will develop. Allen will season. Takes time. We have some pieces of the puzzle, they just don't fit yet.
When Zach is retired we will have prospect at QB to consider and the club will likely bring in vet for balance. Not worried but having a QB play at Zach's level over the last 5 years or so is a luxury that will be hard to replicate.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 06:01:56 PMAgree OL will sort it out which will sort our our run game and QB play in turn. To start the season I knew out OL would be an issue, started strong, bump in the road and will finish strong. I was pleasantly surprised how good our OL looked early but injuries and setbacks happen. Not worried about the offense if the OL gels and heals.
Letting Biggie go was the only way forward. Biggie from 2 or 3 years ago yes we could have used. Aged out, hurt Biggie, nope.
OC will take time. Zach will be fine and lives of dies with play of OL and his health. Brady needs to get back to bully ball on the back of an improved OL.
Bridges has shown enough in his young career that there is still hope, very bad number of games. Holm is a top player.
Willie is a little our of sorts. At his age, he has ups and downs. Not too worried.
We have prospects but nobody ready to step in at DB, yes would have been nice to have someone that is ready. Vaval will develop. Allen will season. Takes time. We have some pieces of the puzzle, they just don't fit yet.
Fair. I just hate getting puzzles at the thrift store, paying cheap and missing pieces to the picture we wanted to get.
Agree on Zach and Brady. Maybe BIggie too..he was behind a few steps often last year. I can dream though. Can we clone Holm? Maybe a few of Bryant while we're at it.
I thought I saw a helmet hit on ZC and I fear it will be worse than we think, but I sure hope not. We need him.
I am one of those who saw Terry WIlson throw in practice before, and yes, he throws a nice ball. Derek Taylor also mentioned this on air on CJOB. Us who say this are not alone. Coaches have their plans though..maybe something else they want to see. Make a move or two Kyle. Grey Cup is here and we'd like to be in it. Portage and Main is open and wouldn't a parade be nice there.
Quote from: tlf on July 27, 2025, 06:30:50 PMFair. I just hate getting puzzles at the thrift store, paying cheap and missing pieces to the picture we wanted to get.
Agree on Zach and Brady. Maybe BIggie too..he was behind a few steps often last year. I can dream though. Can we clone Holm? Maybe a few of Bryant while we're at it.
I thought I saw a helmet hit on ZC and I fear it will be worse than we think, but I sure hope not. We need him.
I am one of those who saw Terry WIlson throw in practice before, and yes, he throws a nice ball. Derek Taylor also mentioned this on air on CJOB. Us who say this are not alone. Coaches have their plans though..maybe something else they want to see. Make a move or two Kyle. Grey Cup is here and we'd like to be in it. Portage and Main is open and wouldn't a parade be nice there.
Pretty good quote about puzzles there, well played. I think we got all the corner pieces still but a couple of them have rounded corners lol. Gotta make a donation to get the price down at the thrift store.
Yup we need a little talent injection or next man up to be good now.
Yes 3x Holms and 2x Stan's would make all our problems go away for the most part. Maybe Milt 2.0 for good measure lol. One can dream. Wilson (receiver) could be that corner piece with crisp edges lol.
Terry has the tools, just needs to sharpen them.
I will say, Zach is having a rough year, and he isn't playing like the Zach we got when we first got him. But I still believe he is a winner and is still good and can be great. However, he also doesn't have the receivers he had before either. Huge difference. Does he have the chemistry and trust with these receivers? BUT.. Streveler isn't the Streveler of 5-6 years ago either. He's lost his speed and some power.
We need to start looking to the future now and not when we don't have anyone to come off the bench. What if Streveler gets hurt? One hit away. Who's the backups in the system? Who would you want to trade for? I hope it doesn't come down to that but I do wonder.
Quote from: tlf on July 27, 2025, 08:09:44 PMI will say, Zach is having a rough year, and he isn't playing like the Zach we got when we first got him. But I still believe he is a winner and is still good and can be great. However, he also doesn't have the receivers he had before either. Huge difference. Does he have the chemistry and trust with these receivers? BUT.. Streveler isn't the Streveler of 5-6 years ago either. He's lost his speed and some power.
We need to start looking to the future now and not when we don't have anyone to come off the bench. What if Streveler gets hurt? One hit away. Who's the backups in the system? Who would you want to trade for? I hope it doesn't come down to that but I do wonder.
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ZC8 had a tough 2024 also.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 08:18:00 PMQuote from: tlf on July 27, 2025, 08:09:44 PMI will say, Zach is having a rough year, and he isn't playing like the Zach we got when we first got him. But I still believe he is a winner and is still good and can be great. However, he also doesn't have the receivers he had before either. Huge difference. Does he have the chemistry and trust with these receivers? BUT.. Streveler isn't the Streveler of 5-6 years ago either. He's lost his speed and some power.
We need to start looking to the future now and not when we don't have anyone to come off the bench. What if Streveler gets hurt? One hit away. Who's the backups in the system? Who would you want to trade for? I hope it doesn't come down to that but I do wonder.
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ZC8 had a tough 2024 also.
Grey Cup appearances make me happy with him and the team. We also had a better supporting cast, each leader needs a good team around them. Leaders can't run the entire ship by themselves, they need reliable team members to count on to help the team work as a smooth running engine. It's not all on the QB. It takes an entire unit to win. It seems we are having rough starts over some rocky speed bumps. Rough start.. We need to tweak this roster to finish like 2024 with a different result at the finish line.
Individual players have not played as well as hoped, but more concerning is the lake of chemistry, communication, cohesiveness, and energy......How many missed blocks, missed tackles, one DB isolated on two or three receivers...what is it 17 turnovers over three games, how many costly avoidable penalties, 3 consecutive multi pic games...the list can go on and on....I don't think this is one one, two, three players etc. this is deeper...we are not showing leadership, understanding of concepts and responsibilities...I am seeing fundamental mistakes...and now it's not a one off, it's a pattern..
Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 04:43:40 PMif he's more focused on taking digs at fans or the media after a third straight belting than any sort of substantive thought, then maybe he's more lost than he looked on the sidelines. This team had more cap space than they have in years, and has had two bye weeks already and yet most of the issues, especially defensively, are not due to injuries but simply either scheme, players or both.
These past three games have all been dreadful and there isn't one reason for that. The entire team is a mess and that's not on pundits or the media or the fans.
Yet we were told at the start of the season "I really like the look of our team". Why? What was he looking at that made him think that?
This team is in trouble.
Quote from: tlf on July 27, 2025, 06:30:50 PMI am one of those who saw Terry WIlson throw in practice before, and yes, he throws a nice ball. Derek Taylor also mentioned this on air on CJOB. Us who say this are not alone. Coaches have their plans though..maybe something else they want to see. Make a move or two Kyle. Grey Cup is here and we'd like to be in it. Portage and Main is open and wouldn't a parade be nice there.
Everyone throws a nice ball in practice. They're on a professional team, they can throw a ball.
But can he read a defence and get the ball out to the right guy at the right time? When we've seen him on the field, it hasn't looked great, tbh.
Quote from: Jesse on July 28, 2025, 01:42:35 PMEveryone throws a nice ball in practice. They're on a professional team, they can throw a ball.
But can he read a defence and get the ball out to the right guy at the right time? When we've seen him on the field, it hasn't looked great, tbh.
Your only reference must be the GC game when he went 0-3, that's the only time Wilson has thrown a pass other than in pre-season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 28, 2025, 01:34:19 PMThis team is in trouble.
When Jararion Grant has more passing yards than your high ticket 'starter' for most of the first half your team is in trouble....
Quote from: Strevy on July 28, 2025, 05:59:47 PMWhen Jararion Grant has more passing yards than your high ticket 'starter' for most of the first half your team is in trouble....
ok thanks it ez there cowboy.
Quote from: Jesse on July 28, 2025, 01:42:35 PMEveryone throws a nice ball in practice. They're on a professional team, they can throw a ball.
But can he read a defence and get the ball out to the right guy at the right time? When we've seen him on the field, it hasn't looked great, tbh.
Sample size of game action does not give enough information to determine with any validity an accurate assessment of his play. Takes years for a QB to develop their trade. He hasn't got enough reps to really even start that assessment. I like what I see, the tools are there. Yes reading a defense is key. Using the eyes to confuse the D is key and of course like you said the right guy at the right time. Those things would take a couple years to polish. We shall see. Such a difficult thing to determine if you have the right development QBs in the system. Likely the hardest thing to teach in ball, OL as well imo. Some positions like a goalie in hockey are longer term project.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 28, 2025, 05:40:05 PMYour only reference must be the GC game when he went 0-3, that's the only time Wilson has thrown a pass other than in pre-season.
That's it eh, I thought maybe had a little more playing time in regular season. Make a lot of sense. Agree.
Didn't get to watch the game until Sunday. Out of town visiting family, so this is my 1st post about the game.
Yes we played really badly. Wheatfall catches the TD and Sterns doesn't cause an int on the Argo 5 sure didn't help. Hard to say how much or if that changes anything but that hurt.
Getting suckered by Grant and beaten for 41 yards? YIKES. How does that happen? Vaval fumbling? Sheahan trying a fake punt and not making it?
Yeah. Comedy of errors to say the least.
I expect some changes this week due to injury and some IR players likely coming onto the AR. I'm not totally sure who can't play due to new injury or to Bryant and Lofton who might play.
I did like what I saw of Person except the penalty he took. Could develop into a good player but small sample size.
Quote from: Strevy on July 28, 2025, 06:21:51 PMEnglish please...?
TAKE IT EZ NEWB! Is this clear enough? :D
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on July 27, 2025, 10:07:15 PMIndividual players have not played as well as hoped, but more concerning is the lake of chemistry, communication, cohesiveness, and energy
It's both. I think we have a need to helicopter in (read: HIRE) 2 new guys: a decent CB, and a top-10 quality REC. Maybe some DB shuffling can fix the first, maybe Schoen back fixes the 2nd. Otherwise: find the couch sitters, or trade trade trade.
For most problems, like OL, we have the horses, we just need to get them out of the tub.
As for cohesion, ya I can't think of any unit that is working well. They don't seem to care what the other guy is doing or have any idea as to what's going on. This is on both them and the coaches.
And from I've seen so far this season, we're keeping things incredibly simple! Like halfwit level simple. Our lack of stunts on DL, our lack of interesting blitz packages, our plain and obvious no-confusion no-movement no-misdirection O schemes, our inability to have 2 guys in the frame on any deep shots on D... I could go on all night.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 08:18:00 PMZC8 had a tough 2024 also.
Ya, getting to the GC, and having a 50/50 chance to win it sans the cut finger is
tough. (Remember, even Dinwiddie admitted he didn't know they'd win until bad-thumb Zach threw that first INT.)
(Ya, I know what you're saying... but my point still remains. Zach is enough to get us to cups. If the team is around him then he'll win it too.)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 05:59:00 PMNot too concerned about the O-line, the ingredients/replacements are there, they're not a small bunch and it's just a matter of time before they become comfortable and improve their chemistry by playing together.
Not those OTs. They aren't ready, and probably never will be to play Big Stan's tough spot. I don't even like Randolph at RT. But you're right, we have all the tools in-house, just get them back in place (Stan, Lofton).
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 27, 2025, 02:28:06 PMOur dynasty is officially dead. We got beat by a 1-5 team by 14 who has a ton of injuries including their starting QB.
Nah, our ability to win
right now is officially dead. Our record is still good enough to catch the top W guys, even if we stack 3 more losses. I actually have a lot of confidence we'll make changes and everyone will improve.
Every time Vegas lowers WPG odds of winning the GC, I'll be biting on a little more... Anyone who counts WPG out just because they are 3-3 clearly hasn't been watching the last 3 years... Recency bias is a powerful thing, so is depression.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:45:36 PMI can say he's popping in at local football teams practices and giving tips.
Then get BA37 on the sidelines for every game like Biggie is doing in CGY. Have him correcting DB scheme mistakes in realtime.
Assuming "amateur football ambassador" is allowed on the bench...
Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 01:01:57 PMVirtually every major free agent we lost ended in a downgrade. How do we look with Ford, Lawler and Dobson? And that's just this year. Coaching seems the same. When we had Lapo and Hall we dominated the league. Now I wonder if we couldn't improve by swapping Hall with Younger and Jackson with Hogan.
It remains to be seen if we can recruit like we used to without Ted Goveia. I am guessing no since this year hasn't produced anyone you would say is a future star.
Good post. The hope with letting Ford/Lawler/Dobson walk, well let's exclude Lawler, is that the next guy up (usually 2nd year guy) will step up and be nearly as good. It's worked well every other year, why not now? I guess sometimes you get unlucky. Wallace clearly isn't Dobson, may never be, and Dobson wasn't even that good! Bridges isn't 1/10th Ford; and that's being kind vs what I really want to write...
Kenny loss was supposed to be offset by Schoen being the league-leader in YDS again and Mitchell being at least "half a Kenny". But Schoen's knee is toast and Mitchell isn't half an anyone.
As for the coords. Nothing will happen there. WFC is always tight to the coaches cap, always having to be "tricky" to get raises to MOS/KW/WM. Why do you think we have basically "nobodies" as OC/DC? But I really wouldn't worry about it. What you see on paper isn't necessarily what is going on behind the curtain. Younger has proven he can win, and I expect Hogan to do the same over the course of this year.
Edit: I think Vaval was a great find and a future starting DB for us, in year 2 or 3, so there's that little bit of success.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 29, 2025, 02:11:20 AMTAKE IT EZ NEWB! Is this clear enough? :D
No, I see you are yelling but still not making any sense. Calm down and please try again.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2025, 07:45:32 AMGood post. The hope with letting Ford/Lawler/Dobson walk, well let's exclude Lawler, is that the next guy up (usually 2nd year guy) will step up and be nearly as good. It's worked well every other year, why not now? I guess sometimes you get unlucky. Wallace clearly isn't Dobson, may never be, and Dobson wasn't even that good! Bridges isn't 1/10th Ford; and that's being kind vs what I really want to write...
Watch Wallace play, he isn't the problem, if I was Walters I would dedicate the rest of my season to signing him to a 3 year extention. Don't care as much what happens to the rest of the O-line, Wallace is the future. I donated to a GoFundMe campaign to buy Dobson a non-stop bus ticket right out of town, the fare included a free apple and a road map.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 29, 2025, 04:33:07 PMWatch Wallace play, he isn't the problem, if I was Walters I would dedicate the rest of my season to signing him to a 3 year extention. Don't care as much what happens to the rest of the O-line, Wallace is the future. I donated to a GoFundMe campaign to buy Dobson a non-stop bus ticket right out of town, the fare included a free apple and a road map.
That seems silly. Liam Dobson was the top ranked guard (78.8 & 74.2) in the entire league week 8 and week 5, and was third overall week 6 (65.7). He's having a good year. He's playing better consistently better than our guards.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2025, 05:12:52 PMThat seems silly. Liam Dobson was the top ranked guard (78.8 & 74.2) in the entire league week 8 and week 5, and was third overall week 6 (65.7). He's having a good year. He's playing better consistently better than our guards.
Dobson is very good
Snaps against the Argos. Person getting nearly as many as Adams.
Jefferson 58
Vaughters 54
Thomas 35
Lawson 34
Adams 26
Person 25
Kornelson 6
Rememeber when we could afford
Prime Bighill
Prime Jefferson
Prime Harris
Prime Collaros
and our best O-Line since the early 90s?
We took a few big hits after last season. As noted, lost were Dobson, Lawler and Ford. Wallace has been decent, but no Dobson. We didn't replace Allstar Lawler with anyone, and same with Ford. Add to that the loss of leadership in aging Alexander and Bighill and we have a major talent depletion, it's no wonder we are where we are.
We need to find a decent corner to replace Ford ASAP, and a decent safety ASAP. Not sure who that is, whether players coming of IR can fill in or what, but man our secondary SUCKS!!!!
Not sure what the deal is with Mitchell, but either play him or cut him. I can't imagine him not helping us out at reciever, or is Hollins still availabe out there (decent reciever with CFL experience)
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 29, 2025, 09:04:00 PMSnaps against the Argos. Person getting nearly as many as Adams.
Jefferson 58
Vaughters 54
Thomas 35
Lawson 34
Adams 26
Person 25
Kornelson 6
Very interesting, Person and Adams hopefully will make an impact this week, unless we see Woods?
Quote from: peg_city on July 29, 2025, 09:29:19 PMRememeber when we could afford
Prime Bighill
Prime Jefferson
Prime Harris
Prime Collaros
and our best O-Line since the early 90s?
Those were the days. The problem is we are paying Jefferson and Collaros much the same salary, but they are no longer prime. We are paying Bryant and Neufeld decent money as well, and they are falling off every year. We are paying Brady and Tony Jones more than we paid Harris and Bighill. We used to get value for the dollar. Not any more.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 29, 2025, 10:14:14 PMVery interesting, Person and Adams hopefully will make an impact this week, unless we see Woods?
I think Woods has to wait 1 more week to come off 6 game IR. Then it's a question of whether they want to add him and change the ratio elsewhere, or an injury opens a roster spot. Also the game ready versus healthy may exclude him for a bit longer.
Year to date reps on the DL.
Vaughters 290
Jefferson 281
Lawson 205
Thomas 198
Adams 176
Kornelson 45
Person 29
Quote from: bunker on July 29, 2025, 10:24:24 PMThose were the days. The problem is we are paying Jefferson and Collaros much the same salary, but they are no longer prime. We are paying Bryant and Neufeld decent money as well, and they are falling off every year. We are paying Brady and Tony Jones more than we paid Harris and Bighill. We used to get value for the dollar. Not any more.
We never got value. We outbid other teams for all of those guys on the open market. We made Jefferson the highest paid defender in the league until we broke our own record to make Bighill the highest paid defender in the CFL. That's how we got Harris and Bryant here too.
Quote from: peg_city on July 29, 2025, 09:29:19 PMRememeber when we could afford
Prime Bighill
Prime Jefferson
Prime Harris
Prime Collaros
and our best O-Line since the early 90s?
We can still afford that. The problem is prime Jefferson costs the same as today's Jefferson; Prime Collaros the same as today's Collaros. And so on.
Quote from: Jesse on July 29, 2025, 10:32:17 PMWe never got value. We outbid other teams for all of those guys on the open market. We made Jefferson the highest paid defender in the league until we broke our own record to make Bighill the highest paid defender in the CFL. That's how we got Harris and Bryant here too.
Disagree we have got outstanding value from most of our top guns over the last number of years imo.
Quote from: Jesse on July 29, 2025, 10:32:17 PMWe never got value. We outbid other teams for all of those guys on the open market. We made Jefferson the highest paid defender in the league until we broke our own record to make Bighill the highest paid defender in the CFL. That's how we got Harris and Bryant here too.
I actually think this is what we have missed, rather than targeting one or two players that can make us better we overpay for players out of loyalty and settle for midtier replacements. We dont need to be outbid we chose to
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 29, 2025, 04:33:07 PMWatch Wallace play, he isn't the problem, if I was Walters I would dedicate the rest of my season to signing him to a 3 year extention. Don't care as much what happens to the rest of the O-line, Wallace is the future.
I like your enthusiasm. I'll take another look at Wallace. All I know is there's been a lot of damage coming through the interior and left interior of the OL when Wallace is there. And when Vant was there it was very solid.
Maybe the problem is more Vant-Wallace breaking down. Have we seen any of Stan-Wallace? I guess it's possible the suckage of Vant at LT is leaking onto Wallace.
I'll give your thesis serious consideration.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2025, 05:12:52 PMThat seems silly. Liam Dobson was the top ranked guard (78.8 & 74.2) in the entire league week 8 and week 5, and was third overall week 6 (65.7). He's having a good year. He's playing better consistently better than our guards.
Ya, and PFF said Dobson was top ranked many times in '24. At the time I said "I don't see it". But I deferred to PFF and the Dobson-lovers here (about 50% of us).
I still don't really see it. I think both Ran and Vant in LG were easily as good as Dobson, at least at pass-pro. Wallace: my jury is still out.
Sometimes I wonder if PFF isn't full of poop. They may be getting too deep in the weeds and missing the forest for the trees. They may also ignore synergy with the guys next to them and the whole unit. Or they're just focusing too much on the wrong metric.
If I was a GM, I wouldn't base my OL hiring and salary purely on the numbers PFF spits out.
One thing's for sure. Dobson was/is half the RG Desjar was/is, at least when in blue & gold. (Yes this also goes back to the feeling that every year we seem to downgrade a little, since 2021...)
Quote from: Pete on July 30, 2025, 03:40:13 AMI actually think this is what we have missed, rather than targeting one or two players that can make us better we overpay for players out of loyalty and settle for midtier replacements. We dont need to be outbid we chose to
Unless it's clearly the player's last 1-2 seasons, in general our top-paid guys will easily find a home for similar money elsewhere. KW isn't just overpaying them for fun.
If we cut Willie J today he would get snapped up in 2 days and get paid roughly the same.
If some good team had a star QB season-ender (say MTL) and we cut Zach, he would get snapped up immediately for basically the same salary. Remember, including MMM, Zach isn't even a top-3 paid QB right now I don't think. I know for sure Kelly / Rourke are making more, and I thought 1 other guy.
Same for Neuf, Big Stan, the list goes on.
It's only when a star player is clearly falling off the performance cliff and is cut by their long-standing team that they ever contemplate taking a big cut. I don't think most (or any?) of our "top guys" are at that stage as of mid-season 2025.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 30, 2025, 12:22:41 AMDisagree we have got outstanding value from most of our top guns over the last number of years imo.
Yeah. I feel like you ignored most of my post in order to disagree with it. Not saying the players didn't perform, I am saying they didn't come here at a discount. We made them the highest paid at their positions in order to come here.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 05:01:40 AMUnless it's clearly the player's last 1-2 seasons, in general our top-paid guys will easily find a home for similar money elsewhere. KW isn't just overpaying them for fun.
If we cut Willie J today he would get snapped up in 2 days and get paid roughly the same.
If some good team had a star QB season-ender (say MTL) and we cut Zach, he would get snapped up immediately for basically the same salary. Remember, including MMM, Zach isn't even a top-3 paid QB right now I don't think. I know for sure Kelly / Rourke are making more, and I thought 1 other guy.
Same for Neuf, Big Stan, the list goes on.
It's only when a star player is clearly falling off the performance cliff and is cut by their long-standing team that they ever contemplate taking a big cut. I don't think most (or any?) of our "top guys" are at that stage as of mid-season 2025.
If Willie left, a team like the Lions or Als would sign him and let him play the game he is best suited for, they wouldn't try to squeeze him into a role he can play but doesn't fit well. He's a pure pass rusher like Betts, let somebody else worry about contain, he's good at chasing QB's and knocking down passes.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 06:23:49 PMIf Willie left, a team like the Lions or Als would sign him and let him play the game he is best suited for, they wouldn't try to squeeze him into a role he can play but doesn't fit well. He's a pure pass rusher like Betts, let somebody else worry about contain, he's good at chasing QB's and knocking down passes.
We definitely need him running straight forward much more.
Quote from: Jesse on July 30, 2025, 06:29:28 AMYeah. I feel like you ignored most of my post in order to disagree with it. Not saying the players didn't perform, I am saying they didn't come here at a discount. We made them the highest paid at their positions in order to come here.
I get it. I believe the tone of your posted indicated as lack of value which I believe we got, even through we paid top dollar. Wasn't just trying to disagree, was presenting my opinion (sorry if you took it that way), I do appreciate the effort to further explain you position which I better understand now and we are not as far apart in our opinion than I originally thought. Nice to made the effort to bridge the gap my friend.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 05:01:40 AMUnless it's clearly the player's last 1-2 seasons, in general our top-paid guys will easily find a home for similar money elsewhere. KW isn't just overpaying them for fun.
If we cut Willie J today he would get snapped up in 2 days and get paid roughly the same.
If some good team had a star QB season-ender (say MTL) and we cut Zach, he would get snapped up immediately for basically the same salary. Remember, including MMM, Zach isn't even a top-3 paid QB right now I don't think. I know for sure Kelly / Rourke are making more, and I thought 1 other guy.
Same for Neuf, Big Stan, the list goes on.
It's only when a star player is clearly falling off the performance cliff and is cut by their long-standing team that they ever contemplate taking a big cut. I don't think most (or any?) of our "top guys" are at that stage as of mid-season 2025.
Zack may not be top 3 paid Qb, problem is he's ranked 8th out of 9 starting Qb's performance wise. If he was being paid 8th highest salary, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but being paid $600k for what we've seen, c'mon man, get serious
That said, if we thought last week was bad, look out for this upcoming game, its going to be ugly!!
Quote from: Jesse on July 29, 2025, 10:32:17 PMWe never got value. We outbid other teams for all of those guys on the open market. We made Jefferson the highest paid defender in the league until we broke our own record to make Bighill the highest paid defender in the CFL. That's how we got Harris and Bryant here too.
We signed Jefferson in 2019 for 210,000. Toronto offered him 235,000, but he chose to sign here. He won defensive player of the year that year, and we won 2 Grey Cups. Since then he's made between 200 and 225,000 per year while until recently being among the best defensive ends in the league. Look around at the defensive lineman making over 200,000. Look at Robbie Smith making 270,000, or Betts at 260,000 (yes I know he's a Nat, so what, he's overpaid). I'd say we got lots of value for our money until recently.
We signed Bighill in 2018 for 175,000. He won defensive player of the year that year. He re-signed for 3 years in 2019 at 250,000 per year, but one year later took at pay cut to 120,000 per year, and we won a second grey cup. He was making less than Tony Jones. Pretty difficult to argue that was not great value.
Stanley Bryant has generally been among the highest paid O-lineman in the league, until recently. He has also consistently been the best O-lineman in the league until very recently. As an example, in 2021, he was tied for highest paid O-lineman with Sean McKewen at 180,000. By way of comparison lesser talents like Joel Figueroa were paid 167,500, and Sukh Chungh 165,000. From 2017 to 2022 there was only one year where he did not win most outstanding offensive lineman in the CFL. Compare to Jamarcus signed by riders at 230,000. Hard to argue that wasn't great value.
Collaros signed a 2 year extension with Winnipeg in 2020 after being traded the year before with an average salary of 470,000 per year. He won MOP in 2021 and 2022, and led us to Grey Cup victories in 2019 and 2021. Riley and BLM were making 700,000 in 2019, and even after restructuring, they made 525,000 and 516,000 in 2021. Trevor Harris made 525,000! Collaros "hard money" is listed by 3 downation as 410,000 for 2021, while Fajardo was 404,000. Its pretty hard to argue we did not get great value from Zach during the first 3 years of his tenure here. Getting the MOP for 2 years and winning 2 Grey Cups while paying Zach less than 3 other QBS performing worse, and not much more than Fajardo. Hard to argue that's not great value.
We didn't get clearance prices on our star players, you almost never do for established free agents. But Walters got more than excellent value for these players while they were in their primes, and they were an essential part of our success. We are paying Jefferson and Bryant about the same now, but their performance has fallen off. Zach is making over 100,000 more, and is no where near the player he was 3-4 years ago. We got great value in the early years of our success. We are not getting great value now.
Its common for successful teams to hang onto fading stars too long. I'm not surprised it happened, and although its frustrating, I accept putting up with a year or two of "legacy" contracts before we start to rebuild as the cost of loyalty to these players, given the success they brought us.
Quote from: Jesse on July 30, 2025, 06:30:15 PMWe definitely need him running straight forward much more.
I'm not sure that's always the best use of Willie. Did you see how teams that get close to beating (or actually beating) SSK & MTL are doing it? Saturate the lanes with rushers but hold back and everyone jumps for batdowns.
That might be the only way to beat the T.Harris quick pass game. Willie would be perfect in that role. Trying to get to the QB is pointless unless someone gets through the interior untouched, because Harris will have that ball gone way before you get there.
Quote from: bunker on July 31, 2025, 02:23:15 AMIts common for successful teams to hang onto fading stars too long. I'm not surprised it happened, and although its frustrating, I accept putting up with a year or two of "legacy" contracts before we start to rebuild as the cost of loyalty to these players, given the success they brought us.
Great post! I think KW has always been good at getting value, whether on a "value" player or a star player. In fact, I think maybe the only player KW didn't win on value was Brady! Not because Brady isn't great, but because that's the only time we're aware of that WM made KW overpay vs what he wanted to pay.
You have to hand it to KW, he always gets his man at the price he wants. Or the man walks. It's the Mafia way. (The Brady thing gets a pass because he's the hometown hero and worth 10X his small "extra" cost in revenue.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 09:44:49 AMGreat post! I think KW has always been good at getting value, whether on a "value" player or a star player. In fact, I think maybe the only player KW didn't win on value was Brady! Not because Brady isn't great, but because that's the only time we're aware of that WM made KW overpay vs what he wanted to pay.
You have to hand it to KW, he always gets his man at the price he wants. Or the man walks. It's the Mafia way. (The Brady thing gets a pass because he's the hometown hero and worth 10X his small "extra" cost in revenue.)
Of all the players that have left the Bombers in FA for more money, I don't recall any back and forth on numbers. That might have gone on with Brady but I did not hear which team was actually making counter offers, maybe it was just bluffing from his agent. It seems once Walters receives the opening bid he pays the price or folds his cards and moves onto plan B, avoiding a bidding war.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 04:21:09 PMOf all the players that have left the Bombers in FA for more money, I don't recall any back and forth on numbers. That might have gone on with Brady but I did not hear which team was actually making counter offers, maybe it was just bluffing from his agent. It seems once Walters receives the opening bid he pays the price or folds his cards and moves onto plan B, avoiding a bidding war.
We're obviously not privy to the negotiations, but they're happening.
CFL does the negotiation window where all teams are able to present their offers and then the teams are given the opportunity to beat those offers. There's obviously going to be some back and forth during that time.
Though, with many of our exiting FA's, the offers from other teams are so exorbitant that Walters probably knows prior to FA that we're not in the running.