Boys need to stop turning over the ball, and clean up the stupid penalties. D needs to get more pressure. BDs need to stop blowing coverage. Injury report should be out tomorrow when the boys return to practice. Like to see a couple of changes to the line-up.
Going to be a tough game - is Kelly back? He will be a bit rusty for sure if he is.
Troubling part is after the game in Calgary which was a stinker is the fact we put up another stinker at home after a bye (no excuse for fatigue)...tells me the coaching may be an issue or the player focus. Calgary is a very good team but we let them be a good team with lack of focus and execution.
Injury report is huge - we need Collaros back, Strev on a Saturday in Toronto might be tough.
Fast look at past games in TO:
2024 - lost 16-14
2023 - didn't play there
2022 - won 23-22
2021 - lost 23-30
I seem to recall the games were all kinda ugly - so likely going to be the same
All about the OL imo. Shore that up and we got a chance. DL 2nd issue. Get more pressure and stop the run. Game is won in the trenches.
DL has been an issue since Jeffcoat left, and will continue to struggle until we acquire better DT, which won't be this season. With or without Collaros the losing continues
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 03:30:58 PMDL has been an issue since Jeffcoat left, and will continue to struggle until we acquire better DT, which won't be this season. With or without Collaros the losing continues
Disagree we will have a winning record with Zach behind centre. Vaughters is a good replacement. Yes DL needs to be better.
Obviously whether Collaros and Bryant play factors heavily into this game. However, I've made my point that the Argos are not very good.
If we have to play with Streveler starting I think we have a good chance of winning. It won't be spectacular and probably low scoring, but I imagine a Bomber win.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 04:59:47 PMObviously whether Collaros and Bryant play factors heavily into this game. However, I've made my point that the Argos are not very good.
If we have to play with Streveler starting I think we have a good chance of winning. It won't be spectacular and probably low scoring, but I imagine a Bomber win.
Having a solid game plan for Strev will help immensely. Agree Bryant is a massive factor. Argos have some talent but agree not great. They will be playing desperate though.
With Zach and Bryant we win by 7. Without either it's a close game and low scoring agree.
Our D has to be much better to win this game. They really haven't looked good that last two games. The DBs had breakdowns in coverage against BC and Edmonton, but we got away with it. That unit need to be much better.
Argos have had almost no running game and they have been behind the score in most games early. Our DL does have to play better but Arbuckle is not Kelly and he probably is weeks away. He still hasn't practised as far as I know.
If the Bombers can't beat them then we have some serious soul searching to do.
We need to rush more than 3. Arbuckle not great when he's pressured. Test him with a blitz or two.
I think Kelly does not play either game. It's possible we can get both of these. We will need them. Calgary again Aug 9.
Quote from: Waffler on July 21, 2025, 07:03:04 PMWe need to rush more than 3. Arbuckle not great when he's pressured. Test him with a blitz or two.
I think Kelly does not play either game. It's possible we can get both of these. We will need them. Calgary again Aug 9.
You're right, if we're gonna win some football games these are two are the easiest ones in the next coming month. We're not gonna beat the riders at home in regina nor are we going right beat Calgaryin Calgary. Although we always seem to stink in Toronto.
Argos just lost their new RT in Dankwah to 6 game IR after losing Hunter a week earlier. Also lost Hansen to 6 game IR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 10:09:43 PMArgos just lost their new RT in Dankwah to 6 game IR after losing Hunter a week earlier. Also lost Hansen to 6 game IR.
Hansen now in his 6th year, he's carved out a decent CFL career considering he generally only plays ST.
If DBs are going to jump those passes out to the flats Strev loves, why doesn't he pump fake and give it to the guy going deep?
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 21, 2025, 11:40:13 PMIf DBs are going to jump those passes out to the flats Strev loves, why doesn't he pump fake and give it to the guy going deep?
You mean the smurfs that keep tripping on their own feet? Wheatfall probably gets over / under double coverage.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 21, 2025, 11:40:13 PMIf DBs are going to jump those passes out to the flats Strev loves, why doesn't he pump fake and give it to the guy going deep?
Ya, you'd think we'd learn something from T.Harris here. He's Mr Pumpfake and voila, wide open RECs after the D bites on the fake.
Everyone is cheating up on us, going for the INT feast. Doesn't matter if it's Strev or Zach. We need to start making them pay by using smart misdirection and layered schemes.
Zach always does visible steamboats on deep routes, why not turn each steamboat into a pumpfake? Why not look DBs and FSs off. Why not do something, anything, with our brains and the chess match? Our talent and execution alone are not going to beat anyone.
Quote from: Waffler on July 21, 2025, 07:03:04 PMWe need to rush more than 3. Arbuckle not great when he's pressured. Test him with a blitz or two.
We haven't been rushing 3 that much this season. Maybe on some 2nd & very longs. We're also not blitzing a whole lot. We're really going straight 4 man rush most downs. I like the idea (it's what CGY does and kills everyone), but we don't seem to have the horses to make an impact.
What I'd like to see is a heck of a lot
more stunts, and less of the "delayed spy blitz" thing that is useless against a fast slinger like VAJ.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 22, 2025, 03:03:54 AMYa, you'd think we'd learn something from T.Harris here. He's Mr Pumpfake and voila, wide open RECs after the D bites on the fake.
Everyone is cheating up on us, going for the INT feast. Doesn't matter if it's Strev or Zach. We need to start making them pay by using smart misdirection and layered schemes.
Zach always does visible steamboats on deep routes, why not turn each steamboat into a pumpfake? Why not look DBs and FSs off. Why not do something, anything, with our brains and the chess match? Our talent and execution alone are not going to beat anyone.
Streveller pick six was a perfect example of DBs playing full press and jumping the short throw, heck the DB broke on the ball before our receiver did!! Gotta make them pay for this a burn them with pump fakes/out and up routes
Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 03:04:31 PMGoing to be a tough game - is Kelly back? He will be a bit rusty for sure if he is.
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I seem to recall the games were all kinda ugly - so likely going to be the same
Here's the thing. TOR is playing extremely physical, violent and nasty, at least in the first half, while Kelly is out. They are being berated constantly by Dinwiddie, who doesn't permit slacking. Beating the crap out of the opponent is the only way TOR can win until their star QB returns. They know this.
This is the worst case scenario as most of our team is undersized compared to TOR counterparts, and we can't be as violent and mean as them. Plus, they don't fear the wrath of their HC like TOR does.
If Kelly is in then they'll cream us just by putting up 45 pts. But on the bright side, I would expect their D to be a lot less physical.
If Kelly is out, I can see a lot of demoralization and injury on our side.
If we lose again to an Arbuckle-led Argos, who can't win to save their life this season, and who have lost like 10 superstar players in FA, then I expect the morale situation in WFC to get very dire indeed.
Zach practicing
No Stanley
Case still in with the starting receivers
All via D Taylor
@DTonOB Looks like DB Enock Makonzo is practicing for the first time since camp. He's on 6-game with an elbow injury. That's great to see.
DT Jamal Woods also dressed. He's done 4 weeks on 6-game.
@jfreysam
RET Trey Vaval is also practising.
He left in the second half of last week's game.
@FarhanLalijiTSN
Chad Kelly is practicing today for #Argos. But Nick Arbuckle continues to get the first team reps.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 22, 2025, 07:15:54 PM@DTonOB
Looks like DB Enock Makonzo is practicing for the first time since camp. He's on 6-game with an elbow injury. That's great to see.
DT Jamal Woods also dressed. He's done 4 weeks on 6-game.
@jfreysam
RET Trey Vaval is also practising.
He left in the second half of last week's game.
@FarhanLalijiTSN
Chad Kelly is practicing today for #Argos. But Nick Arbuckle continues to get the first team reps.
I don't show Woods playing in week 1 and thought he was in week 5 of his 6 game IR stint. He may have been on the 1 game IR in week but IIRC he could be moved to 6 game IR retroactively after just 1 week to start the season???
In theory he's only eligible to practice in week 5 of a 6 game IR time.
Derek Taylor is stating Collaros will play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 07:25:11 PMI don't show Woods playing in week 1 and thought he was in week 5 of his 6 game IR stint.
Woods was on the 1-game IL for game 1. He was moved to the 6-game IL for game 2.
Quote from: peg_city on July 22, 2025, 07:25:27 PMDerek Taylor is stating Collaros will play.
Good. I expected he'd be ok to play but did think he'd not practice on day 1.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 22, 2025, 07:28:00 PMWoods was on the 1-game IL for game 1. He was moved to the 6-game IL for game 2.
Yes but I was adding further comments about timing of move from 1 game to 6 game IR to start the season. That and the fact of when a player can start practising which I believe is week 5 not week 4.
EDIT:
When a Player is placed on the Six Game Injury List he is ineligible to practice with the Club provided however, the week following the fifth game leading up to the seventh game, the Player may participate in full practices before the Club determines whether he is being extended for a further six games on the Six Game Injury List or if he is being transferred to the one game injured list, active roster, reserve roster, or is being released.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 22, 2025, 07:15:54 PM@DTonOB
Looks like DB Enock Makonzo is practicing for the first time since camp. He's on 6-game with an elbow injury. That's great to see.
DT Jamal Woods also dressed. He's done 4 weeks on 6-game.
@jfreysam
RET Trey Vaval is also practising.
He left in the second half of last week's game.
@FarhanLalijiTSN
Chad Kelly is practicing today for #Argos. But Nick Arbuckle continues to get the first team reps.
Vaval DNP today, opportunity to let Case handle the returns and bring on a different NI, Ayers is not playing enough snaps at this point to warrant a roster spot. maybe time to bring on Mitchell, Allen, J. Jones, Person or Bailey to see if any of them can add a spark.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 22, 2025, 08:39:00 PMVaval DNP today, opportunity to let Case handle the returns and bring on a different NI, Ayers is not playing enough snaps at this point to warrant a roster spot. maybe time to bring on Mitchell, Allen, J. Jones, Person or Bailey to see if any of them can add a spark.
Not sure what you meant about bringing on a different NI. Vaval and Case are both imports.
Person played in the last game.
Bailey could be added by dropping a Canadian from the AR. I'd suggest Novak although he's doing well on ST's.
Yes, I'd sub J. Jones for Ayers.
Allen in would meant Parker to CB and possibly needing to remove Bridges.
We have some options partially caused by injuries and some by performance. Will O'Shea make those changes?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 07:29:59 PMYes but I was adding further comments about timing of move from 1 game to 6 game IR to start the season. That and the fact of when a player can start practising which I believe is week 5 not week 4.
EDIT:
When a Player is placed on the Six Game Injury List he is ineligible to practice with the Club provided however, the week following the fifth game leading up to the seventh game, the Player may participate in full practices before the Club determines whether he is being extended for a further six games on the Six Game Injury List or if he is being transferred to the one game injured list, active roster, reserve roster, or is being released.
The rules changed a couple years ago for when 6 gamers are allowed to practice. It went from being on the 6 game for 5 games to 4 games.
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Is Jonathan Jones ever gonna get a chance to prove himself?
MOS said it, to many of a lot of things. Game #6, time to clean those things up.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 22, 2025, 09:37:10 PMIs Jonathan Jones ever gonna get a chance to prove himself?
I would like to see him get on the field. He had a very good TC.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 08:48:32 PMNot sure what you meant about bringing on a different NI. Vaval and Case are both imports.
Person played in the last game.
Bailey could be added by dropping a Canadian from the AR. I'd suggest Novak although he's doing well on ST's.
Yes, I'd sub J. Jones for Ayers.
Allen in would meant Parker to CB and possibly needing to remove Bridges.
We have some options partially caused by injuries and some by performance. Will O'Shea make those changes?
Obviously I realize they're NI's, just saying MOS should take whatever opportunity he can to shake up the roster. Having players sit on the 1 game IR or the PR for half the season without playing won't be a good experience for anyone and could influence their decision to sign another contract with the team. Quite possible they lose some of the players they're trying to retain, Schmeck, Mitchell, Jones couldn't be blamed if they look elsewhere for a better opportunity to play. Word has it the Elks are always hiring.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 22, 2025, 09:37:10 PMIs Jonathan Jones ever gonna get a chance to prove himself?
They're not going to bench a starter for him, no. And virtually all up our 87 back-up LBs are Canadian. We have Ayer's listed as a DE because we can't get another American LB on.
He's injury depth.
Here's something that seems off:
Oliveira
Oliveira 3 30 178 5.93 59.3 43 0
Games played attempts yds average total yds per game. Td ( none)
Might want to get the running game going to help the passing
11 91 8.27 30.3 21 0 14
Receptions yds average yds per game. 14 thrown to.
Argos will just copy stamps. Close to the line, smother the short passes. And our receivers do not block.
I saw a play from a few years ago.... Receiver blocking was impressive. Current guys.... Nope.
Let Bailey go, let Wolitarski go. =. No blocking.
Underrated mistakes. Those two have not been replaced blocking wise.
If they run those short sideline pass plays without blocking I will be annoyed. 😠
we get beatup on in two straight games and don't make any changes?
More Bridges more Case, Ayers and Shay likely not to see a regular rep.
Injuries
Cartoons!!!
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Quote from: markf on July 23, 2025, 12:03:47 AMHere's something that seems off:
Oliveira
Oliveira 3 30 178 5.93 59.3 43 0
Games played attempts yds average total yds per game. Td ( none)
Might want to get the running game going to help the passing
11 91 8.27 30.3 21 0 14
Receptions yds average yds per game. 14 thrown to.
Argos will just copy stamps. Close to the line, smother the short passes. And our receivers do not block.
I saw a play from a few years ago.... Receiver blocking was impressive. Current guys.... Nope.
Let Bailey go, let Wolitarski go. =. No blocking.
Underrated mistakes. Those two have not been replaced blocking wise.
If they run those short sideline pass plays without blocking I will be annoyed. 😠
Clercius is an excellent blocker
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 22, 2025, 09:38:25 PM
It's really great when you guys post these clips so we can watch them without having to traverse multiple websites. Kudos!
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He ll start and have rust but the Argos will be amped up with his return and will roll,over the bombers
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 22, 2025, 10:12:37 PMObviously I realize they're NI's, just saying MOS should take whatever opportunity he can to shake up the roster. Having players sit on the 1 game IR or the PR for half the season without playing won't be a good experience for anyone and could influence their decision to sign another contract with the team. Quite possible they lose some of the players they're trying to retain, Schmeck, Mitchell, Jones couldn't be blamed if they look elsewhere for a better opportunity to play. Word has it the Elks are always hiring.
I'm confused by your use of NI's ( Non imports ) when speaking about imports. Is there another definition of NI's that I missed.
Regardless I agree with your take that O'Shea should shake up the roster somewhat.
So many players are on 1 year deals so I don't know that players that sit on IR for an extended time are any more or less likely to leave in free agency. They are being very well paid to not play or risk injury.
If we lose players that weren't good enough to get on the field in the off-season is that really so bad? And if the cost to keep those players is to play them over players we've evaluated to be better why would we (or any team) do that? And if you're going to say the evaluation is off, then that needs to get fixed first, but it's an incredibly hard argument to make when we've done as well as we have over a long period.
Quote from: dd on July 23, 2025, 04:04:13 AMHe ll start and have rust but the Argos will be amped up with his return and will roll,over the bombers
I'm expecting a close game
Agree on rust
Not sure he will start as they will be cautious
"Toronto Argonauts quarterback Chad Kelly practiced with the team on Tuesday, but it was Nick Arbuckle who took first-team reps"
I'd be SHOCKED if we see Kelly this week and maybe not next week either. That's the franchise. You wait until he's 100% ready and his timing is back. It's only July and a non-divisional game.
Quote from: Waffler on July 23, 2025, 01:22:22 PM"Toronto Argonauts quarterback Chad Kelly practiced with the team on Tuesday, but it was Nick Arbuckle who took first-team reps"
I'd be SHOCKED if we see Kelly this week and maybe not next week either. That's the franchise. You wait until he's 100% ready and his timing is back. It's only July and a non-divisional game.
Probably right. Maybe he comes in and runs some plays but doesn't start?
McManis is not practising again. Did he get re-injured in the last game? He's a key player on their defence and run stopper in particular.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 23, 2025, 03:09:45 PMMcManis is not practising again. Did he get re-injured in the last game? He's a key player on their defence and run stopper in particular.
He did, huge if doesn't play
Top player in the league imo
Agree on run
Can't remember what happened to him
@TSNScianitti
Chad Kelly is absent from #Argos practice. Nick Arbuckle taking 1st team reps. With this week's game vs Winnipeg on Saturday, this is likely an indication who is starting against the Bombers. Wynton McManis (knee) is at practice, but appears to be a limited
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 23, 2025, 03:09:45 PMMcManis is not practising again. Did he get re-injured in the last game? He's a key player on their defence and run stopper in particular.
Yes, he hobbled off the field a couple of times and stayed down once.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 23, 2025, 05:51:34 PMYes, he hobbled off the field a couple of times and stayed down once.
I remember that now, likely was silly he came back
It sounds as there is a decent chance that Bryant can play this week although O'Shea is always optimistic.
I don't think there are any other changes aside to a decision on who comes off the roster if Bryant plays.
Vaval seems capable of playing after getting nicked last week, so that will be a status quo as well.
OTOH, The Argos have several players that could miss this game due to more recent injuries. OL has several players not 100%.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 23, 2025, 08:41:00 PMIt sounds as there is a decent chance that Bryant can play this week although O'Shea is always optimistic.
I don't think there are any other changes aside to a decision on who comes off the roster if Bryant plays.
Vaval seems capable of playing after getting nicked last week, so that will be a status quo as well.
OTOH, The Argos have several players that could miss this game due to more recent injuries. OL has several players not 100%.
Sounds like we got deploy stunt city and feast on Arbuckle
DL is long over due for a real dominant game.
I read a couple of interesting things. Novak might not be able to play. He's been good on ST's and it was suggested that either Canadian DB Ball or global Bailey would be the possible replacements.
The other comment was that Vaval was getting some reps at the # 1 spot at CB. It doesn't necessarily mean a definitive statement that he starts there but it's the 1st time I've heard that from any practice.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 23, 2025, 11:17:36 PMI read a couple of interesting things. Novak might not be able to play. He's been good on ST's and it was suggested that either Canadian DB Ball or global Bailey would be the possible replacements.
The other comment was that Vaval was getting some reps at the # 1 spot at CB. It doesn't necessarily mean a definitive statement that he starts there but it's the 1st time I've heard that from any practice.
Vaval in a year will likely be a big part of our club, his ST could land him a chance to rotate on D. Ball I only know the name. Novak is a good utility guy.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 23, 2025, 11:22:48 PMVaval in a year will likely be a big part of our club, his ST could land him a chance to rotate on D. Ball I only know the name. Novak is a good utility guy.
Vaval had a good pre season. If we didn't have Bridges as a holdover from 2024, then he might have been a front runner at CB. However, that doesn't quite fit MOS strategies where he goes with the player that has served his dues.
Bridges has been prone to biting on some 1st moves. He has to clean that up or may be seeing the bench soon. He does have some ability and the leash might be tightening somewhat.
That's not the worst idea and there is no proof that Vaval would have been a better CB than Bridges. It's a lot to expect for even the 2nd year player not to make some mistakes. To a large degree that can be handled by coaching.
But he might start to get some opportunities on defence as well. We're thin in the secondary because of injuries and it might help keeping them fresher and create some different looks on defence.
Ball was a 6th round draft pick and I don't know much about him. He was originally a receiver that converted over to DB. That suggests some athleticism, although raw. He should have the speed and tackling ability to play ST's.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 24, 2025, 12:15:13 AMVaval had a good pre season. If we didn't have Bridges as a holdover from 2024, then he might have been a front runner at CB. However, that doesn't quite fit MOS strategies where he goes with the player that has served his dues.
Bridges has been prone to biting on some 1st moves. He has to clean that up or may be seeing the bench soon. He does have some ability and the leash might be tightening somewhat.
That's not the worst idea and there is no proof that Vaval would have been a better CB than Bridges. It's a lot to expect for even the 2nd year player not to make some mistakes. To a large degree that can be handled by coaching.
But he might start to get some opportunities on defence as well. We're thin in the secondary because of injuries and it might help keeping them fresher and create some different looks on defence.
Ball was a 6th round draft pick and I don't know much about him. He was originally a receiver that converted over to DB. That suggests some athleticism, although raw. He should have the speed and tackling ability to play ST's.
I think Bridges will come around. Vaval better served slow roasted. Hopefully Ball can make the transition.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 23, 2025, 11:17:36 PMThe other comment was that Vaval was getting some reps at the # 1 spot at CB.
Can anyone be worse than Bridges? It can't hurt to try Vaval. Heck, Bond is getting burnt sometimes too. But Bridges is clearly the target for smart OCs.
Isn't Houston still unsigned...? Don't we still have $400k extra SMS just sitting there??
Quote from: Waffler on July 23, 2025, 01:22:22 PMI'd be SHOCKED if we see Kelly this week and maybe not next week either.
Ya, but TOR is already done 1/3rd of their season, with only 1 win to show for it. They risk not only not finishing first, but losing out to a crossover team. They need Kelly back so they can go back to being an .800 team.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 23, 2025, 12:22:18 AMClercius is an excellent blocker
There's 1. How about the other 4...
Quote from: markf on July 23, 2025, 12:03:47 AMI saw a play from a few years ago.... Receiver blocking was impressive. Current guys.... Nope.
Darvin Adams was the best blocker IMHO, then Bailey. Darvin would get in D's heads and mess with them to no end.
I'm not sure we have any trashtalker anymore.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 24, 2025, 01:35:52 AMCan anyone be worse than Bridges? It can't hurt to try Vaval. Heck, Bond is getting burnt sometimes too. But Bridges is clearly the target for smart OCs.
Isn't Houston still unsigned...? Don't we still have $400k extra SMS just sitting there??
Yes someone could be worse than Bridges.
I'm trying to remember who beat Bridges in both games and it might have been Alford? Just thinking there was not much film on him as a rookie and he's been very good as a rookie. Does that " newness " influence a 1st year starter in Bridges?
Maybe and it's not the best excuse. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'll have learned something over the last 2 weeks.
There is also a coaching strategy at play here since QB's are throwing mostly outside. That's ok if we don't keep jumping routes and learn to tackle better. Our inside secondary are very good and they will look outside by their design and our game plan on defence.
Check back after Saturday and see if we've learned something and adjusted our play.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 22, 2025, 08:39:00 PMVaval DNP today, opportunity to let Case handle the returns and bring on a different NI, Ayers is not playing enough snaps at this point to warrant a roster spot. maybe time to bring on Mitchell, Allen, J. Jones, Person or Bailey to see if any of them can add a spark.
Interesting that Vaval showed as 'DNP' for Tuesday's practice on the Tuesday injury report. On the Wednesday injury report, Vaval shows as a 'Full' participant for both Tuesday and Wednesday.
Some notes from today
@DTonOB Day 2 of Bombers practice: still no Stanley Bryant and LB/ST Lane Novak.
If Novak can't go I would think that rookie DB Ethan Ball would be in line for his CFL debut.
D and O look the same as yesterday. Zach Collaros has taken all the starter reps that you'd expect.
@jfreysam
#Bombers REC Dalton Schoen rocking a brace on that left knee at practice today.
First time I've seen that.
LT STanley Bryant, RB Peyton Logan and LS Mike Benson still not practising.
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Schoen with a brace now is not good news.
Ok, seriously. What is up with Logan?
Is he done for the season? We could really use him.
Quote from: Jesse on July 24, 2025, 01:12:21 PMOk, seriously. What is up with Logan?
Is he done for the season? We could really use him.
It's a bit of an odd injury. Really severe thigh can take months to heal though so it's sort of what it's looking like.
Quote from: Jesse on July 24, 2025, 01:12:21 PMOk, seriously. What is up with Logan?
Is he done for the season? We could really use him.
Not done. He is in sweats fielding balls on the sideline. He's close. I think this is why they are trying to find a spot for Vaval.
Toronto has a weird D
They give up alot of points & yards (only better than Edmonton). They give up yards against the run, but 2nd least in the air.
They do have 14 sacks already (2nd best), and 6 forced fumbles. This is going to be key on Saturday.
Quote from: Waffler on July 24, 2025, 01:25:35 PMNot done. He is in sweats fielding balls on the sideline. He's close. I think this is why they are trying to find a spot for Vaval.
Biggest knock on him is he can't stay healthy, played most games in his first season in 2022 with Calgary but since then it's been hit or miss. I won't be surprised if they don't extend him when his contract expires.
this game will likely come down to our offensive line giving Zac the time he needs and not abandoning the run game as we have the last few times against the argos.
Hopefully we go with a lot of 6 man lines and even bring in Clercius tight to add to it.
As far as receivers, use them to their strengths ie Case don't try to have him do deep curls hit him quick and on slants to use his speed. Also throw in a couple of pump fakes as dbs are jumping Zacs throws too much.
On defense Arbuckle has shown he can beat a 3 man rush so unless we get more creative with our linebacker blitzes stick to a more traditional front four. And have Parker play a little deeper to help on explosion type plays
I am worried if big Stan can't play as we need someone solid at LT. To counter that, if McManus is out for the Argos, that is huge as that guy is a killer.
big stanley is OUT again :(
Injuries
Ouch
No real surprises on the IR report. Bryant was the only one that might have been actually available. Several players are not quite eligible to come off the 6 game IR. A few others: J. Jones, D.Mitchell and Schmekel are all healthy but seem to be persona non gratis.
Didn't notice any comment about Novak so unclear whether he's in or out this week.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 24, 2025, 05:28:38 PMBiggest knock on him is he can't stay healthy, played most games in his first season in 2022 with Calgary but since then it's been hit or miss. I won't be surprised if they don't extend him when his contract expires.
(Logan) Ya, but if you sign a guy who's always injured, pay him $0 bonus, and he's on the 6GIR 2/3rds of the season, who cares? It costs nothing. Then you have depth to draw from ("look, he's magically ok now for the post-season!") if/when you need it.
So many teams play this IR game better than we do...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 24, 2025, 01:09:30 PMSchoen with a brace now is not good news.
Still haven't heard if it's same-knee or not. Either way, Schoen may be one of those constant knee problem guys. As such we can't rely on him as our #1 REC. And since we let Kenny breeze on out of here without a fight, we basically have no one legit. Doh! Nice home-GC year! At least BC tried, eh?...
I don't mind doing the Logan 6GIR the whole season thing with Schoen, as long as he's not costing us bonus $ we can't claw back. Need to adjust his contract for '26.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 24, 2025, 02:51:53 AMMaybe and it's not the best excuse. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'll have learned something over the last 2 weeks.
There is also a coaching strategy at play here since QB's are throwing mostly outside. That's ok if we don't keep jumping routes and learn to tackle better. Our inside secondary are very good and they will look outside by their design and our game plan on defence.
Best HBs in the league don't help as much when teams just throw the wide-out, wide go, and wide screen all night long because we can't stop it...
And Bridges isn't a raw rookie, he has many GP and starts under his belt from '24! "Learned something" may only be pure hopium.
You can't deny the good OCs/teams are picking on Bridges all the time... They weren't doing that when Ford was in that spot!!