Vaughters continually impresses me. Even when many on our front 7 are sucking out the joint this dude is still making impressive plays. Every single week.
Look at 2Q2:55 in the WPG@CGY game. Mills about to kick it to C gap again, basically wide open field. Vauthers catches him around the neck and basically whips him to the ground like a rag doll.
Contrast with Kramdi a couple of plays before who whiffed on an open field tackle that would have limited Mills to 2YD, but got him 12+ YD. Kramdi is good at a lot of things, but bringing down a heavy RB like Mills isn't one of them.
Anyhow, Vaughters brings his A game on most snaps and is getting results. He is the single best FA pickup this season, by a country mile. Willie is still doing his "I don't do run plays" standing-off thing...
Not so sure about that Tecno.
He's actively been very disappointing, though it's the DL as a whole that's been ineffective and he's just one part of that.
I'm glad he makes plays here and there though.
Did he have a good game lastnight? Pretty sure he took a couple penalties, and we sure didn't get great pressure.
I actually thought this might have been a joke thread.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 19, 2025, 09:19:23 AMVaughters continually impresses me. Even when many on our front 7 are sucking out the joint this dude is still making impressive plays. Every single week.
Look at 2Q2:55 in the WPG@CGY game. Mills about to kick it to C gap again, basically wide open field. Vauthers catches him around the neck and basically whips him to the ground like a rag doll.
Contrast with Kramdi a couple of plays before who whiffed on an open field tackle that would have limited Mills to 2YD, but got him 12+ YD. Kramdi is good at a lot of things, but bringing down a heavy RB like Mills isn't one of them.
Anyhow, Vaughters brings his A game on most snaps and is getting results. He is the single best FA pickup this season, by a country mile. Willie is still doing his "I don't do run plays" standing-off thing...
I think Vaughters has been solid if unspectacular, he's smaller than I thought he was when he was with Calgary. Really noticed how small Kramdi is compared to other players, I think he may have maxed out in effectiveness due to his limited size, strength and speed. It might be time to find a different role for him.
Agree with Techno has been consistent and good, beast yes, it's like I wrote the title,.love it
Yes Kramdi not a beast eliminator, more a finesse guy, I think he played ok, filled in at safety for a bit I think when Nichols was out and we shuffled the deck
Vaughters needs to avoid the rtp penalty
Quote from: DM83 on July 19, 2025, 12:51:38 PMTechno, you have got to be recognized as the single most outrageous. Poster this season. You identify ideas to keep this forum alive.
Vaulters? Is that. The guy from Calgary / NFL? Who is he?
Disagree with your comments about techno
While I don't always agree with him, he is thoughtful, throughout and provides great content
often providing great and accurate insights on this club and league
Not outrageous really imo, sometimes he gets the foil out but that ok
You called him outrageous but you claim you don't even know anything about the player he is commenting on lol
Quote from: Jesse on July 19, 2025, 02:07:30 PMHe's actively been very disappointing, though it's the DL as a whole that's been ineffective and he's just one part of that.
I'm glad he makes plays here and there though.
The DL as a whole didn't do anything last night, yes. Vaughters by himself was making plays. He literally is our "beast" on the DL. Whether that's more a function of our weak DL, is for you to decide.
For his FA price and impact on the (very bad) D, I maintain he was the best FA pickup. I dare someone else to name a FA pickup of ours that is doing better? Logan? Mitchell? Ha, and ha!
Also, I don't think most study each play like I do, especially on D. I notice things that don't show up as a stat. And I notice extra things about the stat plays that many don't.
Oh, and our carousel of nobody DEs was doing better last season?
I can virtually guarantee MOS is noticing these things about Vaughters too. If he keeps this up he'll be a long-term Bomber.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 19, 2025, 04:27:08 PMI think Vaughters has been solid if unspectacular, he's smaller than I thought he was when he was with Calgary.
Unspectacular in stats maybe, not on overall impact. He's getting waaaay more pressures, and waaaay more effective against the run than Willie J.
And "solid" is good enough when you factor in his FA $$. We're not paying him EDM DL money...
Since no one wants to acknowledge Vaughters is making hay out there...
How about Lawson basically being a clone of Fatboi out there. Every rags on Fatboi, but Lawson is performing basically at the same level. You can't even tell them apart when they're on unless you know the "secret" (and spot the numbers, lol).
I've been watching both and Lawson isn't getting much more pressure than Fatboi. So if you're gonna rag on him, rag on Lawson too.
Adams isn't making much of an impact either.
Is it the DL coaching?? Who's our coach? We rarely stunt, and the "is the RB/TE really staying in or not?" delayed "blitz" is proving horribly ineffective against VAJ. We are so vanilla on DL and blitzes, and nothing is working against good QBs.
Maybe time to shake up the DL coach. Our DL has been useless since Jeffcoat left, and that's a long time ago now.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2025, 02:10:16 AMSince no one wants to acknowledge Vaughters is making hay out there...
How about Lawson basically being a clone of Fatboi out there. Every rags on Fatboi, but Lawson is performing basically at the same level. You can't even tell them apart when they're on unless you know the "secret" (and spot the numbers, lol).
I've been watching both and Lawson isn't getting much more pressure than Fatboi. So if you're gonna rag on him, rag on Lawson too.
Adams isn't making much of an impact either.
Is it the DL coaching?? Who's our coach? We rarely stunt, and the "is the RB/TE really staying in or not?" delayed "blitz" is proving horribly ineffective against VAJ. We are so vanilla on DL and blitzes, and nothing is working against good QBs.
Maybe time to shake up the DL coach. Our DL has been useless since Jeffcoat left, and that's a long time ago now.
This forum needs a whipping boy. Has been Thomas for years. Easy to go for the low lying fruit. Lawson likely needs more time. I thought Adams would be better. Woods will help.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 02:17:10 AMLawson likely needs more time. I thought Adams would be better. Woods will help.
Lawson has now "had more time". Isn't this his 3rd year? More?
When Walker left the whole plan was Lawson was going to be "it" as the star DT, starter, and ratio-buster. He wasn't just supposed to share reps with Fatboi.
And we often play Fatboi and Lawson as the 2 DTs on certain snaps when we need more ratio in the DB-field.
Adams is a good player, and yet he too isn't doing much, which makes me really question the coaching and scheme. Our entire DL can't suck that bad many years in a row...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2025, 02:26:49 AMLawson has now "had more time". Isn't this his 3rd year? More?
When Walker left the whole plan was Lawson was going to be "it" as the star DT, starter, and ratio-buster. He wasn't just supposed to share reps with Fatboi.
And we often play Fatboi and Lawson as the 2 DTs on certain snaps when we need more ratio in the DB-field.
Adams is a good player, and yet he too isn't doing much, which makes me really question the coaching and scheme. Our entire DL can't suck that bad many years in a row...
Lawson needs more time due to his recovery from his injury imo
I am hopeful he can improve but we will know by years end
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 02:17:10 AMThis forum needs a whipping boy. Has been Thomas for years. Easy to go for the low lying fruit. Lawson likely needs more time. I thought Adams would be better. Woods will help.
Low hanging fruit is why he's the whipping boy by definition. When low hanging fruit is starting that is a significant issue. He only has that role due to the need in the ratio.
Stat info posted elsewhere about rep count this season. Seems about right but I have no way to confirm either. A trend graph might be interesting too.
Vaughters: 236
Jefferson: 233
Lawson: 167
Thomas: 167
Adams: 143
Kornelson: 39
I might question whether Bailey as a global would be a good replacement for Kornelson? That's switching depth at DT for DE, but we heard so much about the potential of Bailey when he was drafted.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2025, 02:26:49 AMLawson has now "had more time". Isn't this his 3rd year? More?
When Walker left the whole plan was Lawson was going to be "it" as the star DT, starter, and ratio-buster. He wasn't just supposed to share reps with Fatboi.
And we often play Fatboi and Lawson as the 2 DTs on certain snaps when we need more ratio in the DB-field.
Adams is a good player, and yet he too isn't doing much, which makes me really question the coaching and scheme. Our entire DL can't suck that bad many years in a row...
I have to agree, I've been disappointed in Lawson's progression. I had thought he'd be the starter by now and Jake would be subbing behind him. Lawson seemed to have so much promise a couple years ago, maybe he's still working his way back?
Quote from: Jesse on July 19, 2025, 02:07:30 PMHe's actively been very disappointing, though it's the DL as a whole that's been ineffective and he's just one part of that.
I'm glad he makes plays here and there though.
This. The D-line has been disappointing to say the least.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2025, 02:56:57 PMThis. The D-line has been disappointing to say the least.
Yes it has - front 7 is not dominate Bomber defence. Remember when we could have had a shot at signing Sankey? Oakman may have been a nice addition as well. Lemon was also available but he is suspect on the character side.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 01:29:13 PMLow hanging fruit is why he's the whipping boy by definition. When low hanging fruit is starting that is a significant issue. He only has that role due to the need in the ratio.
Stat info posted elsewhere about rep count this season. Seems about right but I have no way to confirm either. A trend graph might be interesting too.
Vaughters: 236
Jefferson: 233
Lawson: 167
Thomas: 167
Adams: 143
Kornelson: 39
I might question whether Bailey as a global would be a good replacement for Kornelson? That's switching depth at DT for DE, but we heard so much about the potential of Bailey when he was drafted.
We know you views on Thomas but thanks for the rep count. Very telling.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 03:09:40 PMYes it has - front 7 is not dominate Bomber defence. Remember when we could have had a shot at signing Sankey? Oakman may have been a nice addition as well. Lemon was also available but he is suspect on the character side.
Even suggesting Lemon in Blue is wrong on so many levels. Oakman not sure. Sankey would have been very expensive and I am fine with the group we have.
Told you guys.
He's always around the ball and 100% effort every play.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:42:01 PMTold you guys.
He's always around the ball and 100% effort every play.
Gonna need more than this slop feat of a game to earn an I told you so on this one.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 26, 2025, 11:42:01 PMTold you guys.
He's always around the ball and 100% effort every play.
He looked better tonight that is the good news the bad news is the Bombers are not a good football team at this point.
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 02:13:37 AMHe looked better tonight that is the good news the bad news is the Bombers are not a good football team at this point.
Even on a "bad" team you can identify players making plays, doing their job, making an effort. That's how you tell who to keep.
I also did like seeing Willie run 35Y today and actually keep up with Grant. Kudos for that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 02:19:53 AMEven on a "bad" team you can identify players making plays, doing their job, making an effort. That's how you tell who to keep.
I also did like seeing Willie run 35Y today and actually keep up with Grant. Kudos for that.
Agreed both DE's in fact all 3 played well can't say the same for the DBs they are not very good at this point.
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 03:16:04 AMAgreed both DE's in fact all 3 played well can't say the same for the DBs they are not very good at this point.
Tony Jones showed a bit of spirit in the first half, faded away in the second half though, he needs to step up and become an emotional leader if he expects to keep his job. This team is far too chill, they need to find an Andrew Harris and a Tyrone Jones to lead them.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 03:37:27 AMTony Jones showed a bit of spirit in the first half, faded away in the second half though, he needs to step up and become a leader if he expects to keep his job. This team is far too chill, they need to find a Andrew Harris and a Tyrone Jones to lead them.
Tyrone Jones!?! Please, there is no one of that caliber in our clubhouse presently. You were a beauty #35, RIP!!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 03:37:27 AMTony Jones showed a bit of spirit in the first half, faded away in the second half
Might have been getting tired. I'm not sure why we don't put Shay in on more snaps as a speller.
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 09:19:20 AMWhy is the content always repeated in these posts? Is so desperate content has to be reposted, because the number of posters has dropped incredibly.
I promise you that before this thread you have never in the history of WFC seen another "Vaughters is beast" thread! ;D ;D ;D
Joking aside, what isn't new in this thread? We're giving a brand new guy who is actually doing something some credit. He had a great night last night. Now, you can argue that he sucks (that's what the thread is for), but none of that makes it "old content".
I think the # of unique posters here is actually up this year vs, say, '23. Definitely new faces that joined in '24 or '25. Keep in mind some of the grouchiest/raunchiest get banned by the mods, or they just leave because they can't express themselves. This is the strictest mod'd forum I use. Half the stuff said on Riderforum can't be said here.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 03:37:27 AMTony Jones showed a bit of spirit in the first half, faded away in the second half though, he needs to step up and become an emotional leader if he expects to keep his job. This team is far too chill, they need to find an Andrew Harris and a Tyrone Jones to lead them.
He's literally #6 in tackles in the league this year. He's 5 tackles behind 2nd place, and tied for 3rd in sacks. How much more you gonna ask of a 2nd year guy/1st year starter?
https://www.cfl.ca/league-leaders/?stat_category=defence&season=2025&week=undefined
Quote from: VictorRomano on July 28, 2025, 04:18:35 PMHe's literally #6 in tackles in the league this year. He's 5 tackles behind 2nd place, and tied for 3rd in sacks. How much more you gonna ask of a 2nd year guy/1st year starter?
https://www.cfl.ca/league-leaders/?stat_category=defence&season=2025&week=undefined
Yah that came off the wrong way, I'm more than happy with Tony Jones performance, just want him to continue to show the exuberance he did in the first half.
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2025, 11:58:32 PMGonna need more than this slop feat of a game to earn an I told you so on this one.
Disagree, techno has been watching him closely and I have agreed with the assessment of his play. He has been very good. Techno was right imo. The outcome of the game doesn't take away from a great one for him and a good season thus far imo.
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 27, 2025, 03:16:04 AMAgreed both DE's in fact all 3 played well can't say the same for the DBs they are not very good at this point.
Glimmer of hope to be sure!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 09:49:42 AMI promise you that before this thread you have never in the history of WFC seen another "Vaughters is beast" thread! ;D ;D ;D
Joking aside, what isn't new in this thread? We're giving a brand new guy who is actually doing something some credit. He had a great night last night. Now, you can argue that he sucks (that's what the thread is for), but none of that makes it "old content".
I think the # of unique posters here is actually up this year vs, say, '23. Definitely new faces that joined in '24 or '25. Keep in mind some of the grouchiest/raunchiest get banned by the mods, or they just leave because they can't express themselves. This is the strictest mod'd forum I use. Half the stuff said on Riderforum can't be said here.
agree with everything you have said here, there is no repeated content here and yes lots of new faces and a very functional and balanced forum, yes it's strict on here and the mods do an incredible job
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 09:19:20 AMWhy is the content always repeated in these posts? Is so desperate content has to be reposted, because the number of posters has dropped incredibly.
I don't agree with any of this. Nothing has been repeated and if it has been please let us know. I am with techno, don't think the number of posters is down, mods you got the stats? Curious.
I believe that techno was channeling a little PJ with the title of this thread - AND I LIKE IT
Bump. Dude is a monster.
He had one heck of a game tonight. And he missed like half of it! I'm pretty sure I saw him return in the 2nd, right?
In fact, the trouble Vaughters caused them early may have opened things up more for Willie.
I have a feeling I'll be bumping this thread all season, at least until it's obvious to everyone (or he gets IRed).
Also, Person making himself known lately too, eh? DL ticking much better!
DL as a whole had 2 good games in a row now. Person coming on has seemed to really help.
How many knockdowns did the DL get last night? WJ in particular had a bunch. In fact I think the DL had more than the secondary.
Willie had himself a game too. Finally, but very appreciated.
Watching the TOR game, and really noticing Person is adding a lot of value to our DL. He's making vet moves and getting some heat all by himself.
I'm not sure you can possibly take Person off the AR.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 04, 2025, 10:20:41 AMWatching the TOR game, and really noticing Person is adding a lot of value to our DL. He's making vet moves and getting some heat all by himself.
I'm not sure you can possibly take Person off the AR.
Exadactly Batman, the one move they made that had the most positive results is not going to be reversed. Person ignited the beast in Willie and Vaughters, hopefully they can get an aggressive DT to kick up the pass rush another notch so they can harass the quickest QB's in the CFL as well. The ratio has to be maintained to allow for this configuration moving forward.
The DL is coming alive. I saw Adams in a bunch, who is this Person, Willie was lights out, Vaughters was getting into it.
Younger has this group working well, the LB's are in the plays, Jones with the INT... the DB's are still needing some work, and losing Parker wasn't optimal, but Vaval came through at the end.
ST's are working, D is working. We need Hogan and MOS to get this O back on track.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 02, 2025, 09:35:24 AMBump. Dude is a monster.
He had one heck of a game tonight. And he missed like half of it! I'm pretty sure I saw him return in the 2nd, right?
In fact, the trouble Vaughters caused them early may have opened things up more for Willie.
I have a feeling I'll be bumping this thread all season, at least until it's obvious to everyone (or he gets IRed).
Also, Person making himself known lately too, eh? DL ticking much better!
We were right all along my friend, he is a beast, love the bump. Finally getting some love on here.
Willie showed he still is a top guy, Person is looking like a beast in training and Adams is noticeable. They both knew Woods knocking at the door. The DL is one of our strengths imo and LBs look great. Back end need to figure things out and the D shall return to dominance. That will take a few games
Need Parker back imo to get back on track.
Bump
Sack #1 tonight. Cream VAJ so he gets flustered early