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The boys better come back in far better head space than they did in Cowtown.

I expect the boys to be extra sharp.

The DL pressure, or severe lack there of, is a major concern for me.

Can Zach play within his current self! If the receiver isn't open throw it away for lords sake. He is reminding me of Matt Nichols these days. Inconsistent QB.

Zach is nothing like Nichols but yes could learn from his ability to throw the ball away imo

Yes we need a strong response

Hopefully we can modify our QB pressure schemes

Who looks to be nicked for this?

for our defensive line we really need to have more/better backups than Thomas and Kornelson. In a game like last one where our offense isn't controlling the time of possession they will get worn out by end of game or at least become less effective.
the injury that we seemed to have was Schoen and we don't know his status. Also heard Ayers might have been nicked

Just some general observations from the first four games
The good
Wilson - has been strong
Griffin continues to impress
Lawton getting healthy
Schoen too
Peterson - a younger alternative to Augustine showing great potential
Parker a bit mixed but improvement over Alexander
The bad
Bryant,Jefferson, Thomas starting to show age
Zac - inconsistent
Not having signed any quality free agent cdns after loosing Dobson/Ford
Bridges - definitely the weakest link
The inexplicable
Our lack of dline options,other teams ie Calgary/argos have no trouble finding good players while we trot out Kornelson,Thomas and little in the way of nonimport dline backups

Bombers need to come out in control from the 1st snap of the ball. Letting the opponent drive for a TD on the opening drive is unacceptable.

Once the team starts practising we'll know the status of Schoen although he may get and extra day or 2 off? Hopefully he's ok and will be able to play.

I'm not aware of any other potential new injuries. Possibly Ayers got nicked but not sure about that.  IIRC some of the 6 game IR players might be able to start practice if healthy. Whether any of them ( Logan, Makonzo or Kelly ) have reached that time IDK. They wouldn't be added yet even if they start practice after this long off. Getting 2 additional Canadians healthy would be beneficial.

No need to bring Benson back from 1 game IR at the moment. LS has not been an issue.

So. If Schoen is not able to play then it would seem Mitchell would be added.

If Ayers can't play then we might see J. Jones or Person added for depth at DE.

Until we get more conclusive updates I'm not actually expecting any changes to the AR for this game.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 09, 2025, 03:07:42 PMBombers need to come out in control from the 1st snap of the ball. Letting the opponent drive for a TD on the opening drive is unacceptable.

Once the team starts practising we'll know the status of Schoen although he may get and extra day or 2 off? Hopefully he's ok and will be able to play.

I'm not aware of any other potential new injuries. Possibly Ayers got nicked but not sure about that.  IIRC some of the 6 game IR players might be able to start practice if healthy. Whether any of them ( Logan, Makonzo or Kelly ) have reached that time IDK. They wouldn't be added yet even if they start practice after this long off. Getting 2 additional Canadians healthy would be beneficial.

No need to bring Benson back from 1 game IR at the moment. LS has not been an issue.

So. If Schoen is not able to play then it would seem Mitchell would be added.

If Ayers can't play then we might see J. Jones or Person added for depth at DE.

Until we get more conclusive updates I'm not actually expecting any changes to the AR for this game.

If Schoen can't go, Mitchell will be highly motivated to show his new team they didn't make a mistake.

Avenging that Stampede Bowl loss is a must. I fully expect a better showing after the bye.

Bombers didn't re-sign some real good players. For a grey cup at home season, that was a big mistake.

I mean we kept what has turned out to be "has been!".
Collaros has not been an asset this early season.  His arm is dead. We have virtually a dink and dump offence. And even then Collaros can't. Throw a wide side out.

My ******** about that offensive co-ordinator, and that nrilliant defensive coordinator was really evident at the game in Calgary.

Our offensive line and that tall guy on defense are playing like it's pre-season.  Or worse, picking when to put forth effort and when not to.

Lousy week for a bye.

Is it true, their bags were already packed to go on vacation, before the game was played.
The organization was very disappointing. And the coaching staff looked like, their hiring was a charity case.

Quote from: DM83 on July 10, 2025, 04:41:52 AMBombers didn't re-sign some real good players. For a grey cup at home season, that was a big mistake.

I mean we kept what has turned out to be "has been!".
Collaros has not been an asset this early season.  His arm is dead. We have virtually a dink and dump offence. And even then Collaros can't. Throw a wide side out.

My ******** about that offensive co-ordinator, and that nrilliant defensive coordinator was really evident at the game in Calgary.

Our offensive line and that tall guy on defense are playing like it's pre-season.  Or worse, picking when to put forth effort and when not to.

Lousy week for a bye.

Is it true, their bags were already packed to go on vacation, before the game was played.
The organization was very disappointing. And the coaching staff looked like, their hiring was a charity case.

A lot of players did have good performances.

Specifically for week 5, PFFs:

Micah Vanterpool was the 3rd best guard in the league (66.5) (note that Vanterpool was the best ranked guard in all the CFL in his last game) so he's doing impressive things for a basically a first year guy. Everyone wants Wallace to be really good but Vanterpool already is.

Neufeld (64.8 ) and Wallace (63. 8 ) were middle of the road

Kolankowski still managed a 63.8 which is good for 4th best centre.

Evan Holm was the best halfback in the CFL with an 80.0 - absurd considering the game script.

The bad news is that both are tackles were whipped bad. Tyrell Bonds was a 62.1 which may be fodder to attack our corner play but he was better than Tyrell Ford last week, so take it with some salt.

I could keep going but the the takeaway? It wasn't our best game but relax. And O'Shea is 18-1 coming off a bye or something silly.

Quote from: DM83 on July 10, 2025, 04:41:52 AMBombers didn't re-sign some real good players. For a grey cup at home season, that was a big mistake.

The bigger mistake would be mortgaging the future on the chance to win a championship on home field.

Don't be so reactionary over one bad loss.

I love. Zach's play for the most part. He was so good, so expectations are very high.
Everyone has a game where they do not defeat their in game match up. I thought we fought, but alas, Every stampeder player played like their life depended on it.

My point earlier, was that the two coordinators, can't offer much in the way of in game adjustments. Or the players they are given are unable to perform to winning standards.  And Walter's has made adjustments in the past......so, how long do we wait for awful efforts to be dealt with.

Performances that disturbed me were:
Collaros - mystery. Hot and cold.
O line - man they got embarrassed.
Line backers. Man people missed gap responsibilities. Over zealous which is good, but....
Willie Jefferson. - I expect him to be benched if he doesn't start avoid standing around. I mean at least give us a speed rush.  Of course his linemates, may be not good enough. No pressure in that Adams Jr. is unforgiveable.  But if ya only rush. Three  guys on five or six, what do u expect? That's my problem! Our d line doesn't have a chance to pressure the QB.  Then they call a man defense, and the DBs are expected to cover for 4-5 minutes?????  Hence my shock that whoever the coordinator is is calling un realistic defenses.  You can't cover professional receivers for five seconds?

But I love our DBs dedication, persistence and dog like tenacity. Please bring back the tenacity of blitzing. Take away the short slants or hooks, and contain the qB. And mix up coverages.

Last game was weird and a clusterfick! Oh well, can't win em all!  Also all other teams have improved, or have injured QBs, so ....

Quote from: DM83 on July 10, 2025, 04:41:52 AMBombers didn't re-sign some real good players. For a grey cup at home season, that was a big mistake.

I mean we kept what has turned out to be "has been!".
Collaros has not been an asset this early season.  His arm is dead. We have virtually a dink and dump offence. And even then Collaros can't. Throw a wide side out.

My ******** about that offensive co-ordinator, and that nrilliant defensive coordinator was really evident at the game in Calgary.

Our offensive line and that tall guy on defense are playing like it's pre-season.  Or worse, picking when to put forth effort and when not to.

Lousy week for a bye.

Is it true, their bags were already packed to go on vacation, before the game was played.
The organization was very disappointing. And the coaching staff looked like, their hiring was a charity case.

Zach arm is not dead, he has played average and still has a lot to give imo
We lost some talent but also had a decent off season in replacing them imo
Our OC is learning and patience will pay off imo
Our DC is great imo backed by the legend Hall
OL is decent imo, work in progress
Organization is the class of the CFL, no charity cases imo
Your post is over stated on the negative imo
In the past you have called for coaches to be fired, players dumped and all we did was dominate and win cups.  In this case, like in the past, I believe you are stretching a bit and over reacting to a terrible game.  I have hope we can quickly turn this around.  A bump in the road to be sure!
Your take on the Bombers is welcome on here and keep it up as your 2nd post had some interesting insights, agree about the DBs!!!

Not sure if the Bombers start practice on Sunday or Monday. Just a guess but I think after the bye it will be the longer cycle of practice days + walk through.

Regardless, I am wondering whether we see a couple of new players added to the PR shortly. That's always complicated because we have to see what movement we have from our IR lists. This could include some of the longer 6 game IR getting healthy and beginning to practice. In turn that impacts what positional players we might consider to bring in to the PR.

As mentioned earlier, is Schoen injured and heading to IR and for how long?

IMO we could be looking at another DL ( preferably a DE ) and a receiver. OTOH new players means someone might be released to compensate.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 11, 2025, 03:46:44 PMNot sure if the Bombers start practice on Sunday or Monday. Just a guess but I think after the bye it will be the longer cycle of practice days + walk through.

Regardless, I am wondering whether we see a couple of new players added to the PR shortly. That's always complicated because we have to see what movement we have from our IR lists. This could include some of the longer 6 game IR getting healthy and beginning to practice. In turn that impacts what positional players we might consider to bring in to the PR.

As mentioned earlier, is Schoen injured and heading to IR and for how long?

IMO we could be looking at another DL ( preferably a DE ) and a receiver. OTOH new players means someone might be released to compensate.

Not something the Bombers usually do as they have a couple of untried options in house, but the Stamps just released DE Cedric Wilcots a few days ago, he was with the Bombers in 22 before they traded him to the Ti-Cats.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/07/calgary-stampeders-release-veteran-dl-cedric-wilcots-ii/

Holy crap, we don't play for another whole week  >:(
The schedule this year sucks.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 11, 2025, 04:36:59 PMNot something the Bombers usually do as they have a couple of untried options in house, but the Stamps just released DE Cedric Wilcots a few days ago, he was with the Bombers in 22 before they traded him to the Ti-Cats.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/07/calgary-stampeders-release-veteran-dl-cedric-wilcots-ii/

All teams shuffle their PR a bit during the season. Injuries factor into those choices. Woods is on the 6 game IR and I don't know if or when he might be available. If he's not expected to play for an extended time we might want to bring in another import DT. Schmekle a Canadian is all we have for depth.

Depth at DE we have Person and the global player in Bailey.  How either are shaping out IDK but neither may be ready for prime time. Both of our starters are not the youngest players so that's potentially an issue.

Receiver depth depends on whether Schoen is out and the status of Logan. IMO Case is only a viable returner option. So if Logan is healthy then Case could be bumped from the PR to make room for another receiver to look at.

I don't know how informative this weeks daily IR reports will be. Telling us " DNP " doesn't give us indication of when a return might be possible.

We might see that 6 game IR players might return to practice this week. That would put them at least a couple of weeks before possibly being added to the AR if we choose. Kelly, Makonzo and Woods all fall into that category if they are returning to health.

The thing is that we don't know if any of them will play in 2025. So that depth is a TBD.

I would pass on Wilcox. He's done very little to nothing when he does play.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 11, 2025, 04:36:59 PMNot something the Bombers usually do as they have a couple of untried options in house, but the Stamps just released DE Cedric Wilcots

Haba was looking better than Wilcots, and we didn't keep Haba.  So why Wilcots?  I wouldn't, but I also wouldn't be upset or surprised if we did.  He would come dirt cheap.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 10, 2025, 01:17:12 PMThe bigger mistake would be mortgaging the future on the chance to win a championship on home field.

I would mortgage the next 5 years is that's what it took to win the GC at home.  It's basically required to make up for 3 losses in a row.  You win this one at home and everything is forgiven and forgotten and the dynasty is sealed forever.

That said, clearly we didn't.  We didn't even spend the extra $400k like other teams did.  We could have kept Kenny, for instance, and brought in some DL talent like EDM did.  We could have just paid the fines and a DP like BC did last year.

I'm not saying we still can't win it just doing our same old same old, it's just not the way I would have gone about it.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 10, 2025, 12:46:17 PMTyrell Bonds was a 62.1 which may be fodder to attack our corner play but he was better than Tyrell Ford last week, so take it with some salt.

Ty Ford has been 99% invisible this season so far.  However, teams might be avoiding him like they do Holm/Nichols.

He got way more "work" and recognition here.

Quote from: bwiser on July 09, 2025, 03:39:05 PMIf Schoen can't go, Mitchell will be highly motivated to show his new team they didn't make a mistake.

We would hope.  I wouldn't bet money on it!

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 10, 2025, 01:17:12 PMThe bigger mistake would be mortgaging the future on the chance to win a championship on home field.

Don't be so reactionary over one bad loss.

I agree with you about not being reactionary, but how would we be "mortgaging the future" by spending a little extra if the opportunity arose?

You think paying a few thousands in fines or giving up a draft pick would affect us at all? For how long into the future would those affects last?

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 02:12:09 PMI agree with you about not being reactionary, but how would we be "mortgaging the future" by spending a little extra if the opportunity arose?

You think paying a few thousands in fines or giving up a draft pick would affect us at all? For how long into the future would those affects last?

Spending is no guarantee of success in either short or long term. Just look at the Lions in 2024 signing Rourke and Betts.

Regardless, there isn't exactly a big list of expensive players that are available post free agency.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 12, 2025, 02:16:24 AMI would mortgage the next 5 years is that's what it took to win the GC at home.  It's basically required to make up for 3 losses in a row.  You win this one at home and everything is forgiven and forgotten and the dynasty is sealed forever.

That said, clearly we didn't.  We didn't even spend the extra $400k like other teams did.  We could have kept Kenny, for instance, and brought in some DL talent like EDM did.  We could have just paid the fines and a DP like BC did last year.

I'm not saying we still can't win it just doing our same old same old, it's just not the way I would have gone about it.

I completely disagree with your comments. You build your team and business for long term goals and stability. No right thinking management organization thinks short term gain for long term pain.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 12, 2025, 02:58:24 PMSpending is no guarantee of success in either short or long term. Just look at the Lions in 2024 signing Rourke and Betts.

Regardless, there isn't exactly a big list of expensive players that are available post free agency.

Obviously it's too late now, and I didn't mind what we did in FA.

But people speaking in platitudes about "mortgaging the future" or "long term goals" have never explained how they think it will hurt us. There isn't really a way to plan long term in the CFL. Nor is there a way you can really hurt yourself in the future.

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 05:45:59 PMObviously it's too late now, and I didn't mind what we did in FA.

But people speaking in platitudes about "mortgaging the future" or "long term goals" have never explained how they think it will hurt us. There isn't really a way to plan long term in the CFL. Nor is there a way you can really hurt yourself in the future.

Yes, we didn't know the SMS was going up by that much when free agency started. In theory that's what we were told. For that matter the league hasn't clarified how to apply the new number yet.

At best it might mean that teams re-sign a bunch of their own players before free agency 2026. That creates a new problem.

If we use 2025 money at the end of 2025, then we have an even larger amount of 2026 money to spend going into free agency.

IDK how this is going to work out.

We need to get D line help asap, and if that means going over the cap, then so be it, the fine is laughable

Quote from: dd on July 12, 2025, 09:37:48 PMWe need to get D line help asap, and if that means going over the cap, then so be it, the fine is laughable

no parades for staying under the cap.  parades for winning the cup though...

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 12, 2025, 05:53:59 PMYes, we didn't know the SMS was going up by that much when free agency started. In theory that's what we were told. For that matter the league hasn't clarified how to apply the new number yet.

At best it might mean that teams re-sign a bunch of their own players before free agency 2026. That creates a new problem.

If we use 2025 money at the end of 2025, then we have an even larger amount of 2026 money to spend going into free agency.

IDK how this is going to work out.

I'm not talking about the increase in SMS, we were having a conversation about going "all in" in a home grey cup year.

Quote from: dd on July 12, 2025, 09:37:48 PMWe need to get D line help asap, and if that means going over the cap, then so be it, the fine is laughable

Disagree, can lose draft picks

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 02:12:09 PMI agree with you about not being reactionary, but how would we be "mortgaging the future" by spending a little extra if the opportunity arose?

You think paying a few thousands in fines or giving up a draft pick would affect us at all? For how long into the future would those affects last?

Draft picks are critical for longer term success
Canadian talent is critical for long term success

Quote from: The Zipp on July 12, 2025, 09:51:26 PMno parades for staying under the cap.  parades for winning the cup though...

Lots of parades for long term thinking winning clubsthat don't lose draft picks and stay the course

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 05:45:59 PMObviously it's too late now, and I didn't mind what we did in FA.

But people speaking in platitudes about "mortgaging the future" or "long term goals" have never explained how they think it will hurt us. There isn't really a way to plan long term in the CFL. Nor is there a way you can really hurt yourself in the future.

Disagree with last point, current
Bombers are a great example of long term planning.  Consistent coaches, management and culture.  Run with a great vet QB, great cdn rbs and retian a core of vets.  Yes the CFL has turn over but you can hurt yourself in the future big time.  We did that for years before this epic mini dynasty.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 12, 2025, 02:16:24 AMI would mortgage the next 5 years is that's what it took to win the GC at home.  It's basically required to make up for 3 losses in a row.  You win this one at home and everything is forgiven and forgotten and the dynasty is sealed forever.

That said, clearly we didn't.  We didn't even spend the extra $400k like other teams did.  We could have kept Kenny, for instance, and brought in some DL talent like EDM did.  We could have just paid the fines and a DP like BC did last year.

I'm not saying we still can't win it just doing our same old same old, it's just not the way I would have gone about it.

Mortgage 5 years for maybe one good one, hard pass

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 12, 2025, 11:01:56 PMDisagree, can lose draft picks
Draft picks are critical for longer term success
Canadian talent is critical for long term successLots of parades for long term thinking winning clubsthat don't lose draft picks and stay the courseDisagree with last point, current
Bombers are a great example of long term planning.  Consistent coaches, management and culture.  Run with a great vet QB, great cdn rbs and retian a core of vets.  Yes the CFL has turn over but you can hurt yourself in the future big time.  We did that for years before this epic mini dynasty.

A) you don't lose a draft pick unless you're over by more than 100k

B) the only first round draft pick we have on our team is Connor Shay, who we drafted this year. Doesn't seem like it's affected us much.

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 11:10:57 PMA) you don't lose a draft pick unless you're over by more than 100k

B) the only first round draft pick we have on our team is Connor Shay, who we drafted this year. Doesn't seem like it's affected us much.

You have suggested that there is no impact by going over the cap, there is.  Draft picks and good Canadian talent makes or breaks clubs. Calgary has a great receiver as 1st pick.  League is full of draft picks that make an impact. Shay and our picks has a chance to make a difference, they take time to develop.  Patience pays off.

To make any difference you would have to overspend by more than 100k imo.

Draft picks vary in their impact but it's the main way to build Canadian depth.

I have supported the way this club operates for many years; balancing the current needs while developing players to ensure a good future.  We don't overpay, we scout well.  We draft decent. What's made us great in the past and that will continue imo.

The draft is often a crap shoot, sometimes you get some talent, some times you whiff. We drafted Dobson and Ford, yet lose them to FA because we got outbid for NAT talent, so where did that get us?? Same for Couture, Chung, Dejarlais...soild NAT hoggies, all gone for more $$. I m saying if it means you go over the cap or lose a 5 star NAT, then go over the cap, because there's no guarantee your draft pick is going to be anywhere near the talent level of the player you're letting walk out the door.

Quote from: dd on July 12, 2025, 11:34:00 PMThe draft is often a crap shoot, sometimes you get some talent, some times you whiff. We drafted Dobson and Ford, yet lose them to FA because we got outbid for NAT talent, so where did that get us?? Same for Couture, Chung, Dejarlais...soild NAT hoggies, all gone for more $$. I m saying if it means you go over the cap or lose a 5 star NAT, then go over the cap, because there's no guarantee your draft pick is going to be anywhere near the talent level of the player you're letting walk out the door.

Those are examples of players that made us great and won us cups,  yes hard to retain
Never know with the draft but it's proven teams with strong Canadian talent are consistently competitive
I would like to see us draft more Cdn OL

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 11:00:25 PMI'm not talking about the increase in SMS, we were having a conversation about going "all in" in a home grey cup year.

How do you go all in if you don't have top players available to bring in? All in is just an irrelevant thought that is said every season.  I don't think any team thinks we're just going to go through the motions this season.

Stamps lost their starting CB, Richardson in the last minute of play. He needed to be helped off the field with some sort of leg, knee or ankle injury. Couldn't put any weight on it at all.

back to the upcoming game...stamps shut down our run game, shut down Oulette tonight. 

we really can't take a quarter off like we have for the past two games. 

hogan has some work to do figuring out this stamps defence. 

Stamps have a very decent interior D line that makes running between tackles impossible. The stamps d just shuts down the run forcing you to pass and I don't like our odds with hot and cold Collaros. Could be a tough one next week

If anyone wants to check out a Sunday practice,

From Darren Cameron
#Bombers return to the practice field tomorrow morning at 11:20am at Princess Auto Stadium.

Quote from: Jesse on July 12, 2025, 05:45:59 PMBut people speaking in platitudes about "mortgaging the future" or "long term goals" have never explained how they think it will hurt us. There isn't really a way to plan long term in the CFL.

CGY going from zero to first place hero in one FA is proof of that.  It looks like 2025 will be the year that status quo WFC may not be "enough" to make the cup.  Every single W team appears to have improved, except maybe BC.

What did we "improve" at in FA and DP?  DE.  That's it.  Other units are basically status quo, some units (RECs) vastly diminished of star power.

Pokey returning from the NFL would be a huge boon...

Watching CGY spank SSK just as bad as they did us (or worse?) shows they are the real deal.  Their O basically operates with impunity.  Their D is very stout and seems to love shutting down solid run games.  They hosed ours.  They hosed the previous 100+ Oullette game.

The best run-blocker Yoshi had no effect on that DL.  Our RT, whoever it is, won't have a hope either, unless we somehow out-scheme them.

Oh ya, it also shows SSK is very beatable by us this year.  A good thing since we see them 3 times.

Glad to see a lot of posters are seeing the same thing I am.
I am wondering if we at best. Become a win one lose one team?

Clearly, Zac and his O line d line and whoever the middle LB is get off their passes, and make efforts like their pro football lives depend on it.

Will Bobby Dyce become the first fired guy. Man they have no offensive consistency.

Quote from: DM83 on July 13, 2025, 11:30:07 AMGlad to see a lot of posters are seeing the same thing I am.
I am wondering if we at best. Become a win one lose one team?

Clearly, Zac and his O line d line and whoever the middle LB is get off their passes, and make efforts like their pro football lives depend on it.

Will Bobby Dyce become the first fired guy. Man they have no offensive consistency.

Ottawa looks like the worst team in the league right now. I have to think Dyce's job is very much in jeopardy.Calgary looks like the best team right now. Bombers are going to have their hands full on Friday

I think we'll more than have our hands full, I think the Stamps beat us at home this week!! Their D line is miles better than ours. Our run game will be shut down and our passing game will continue to struggle.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 13, 2025, 07:34:43 AMCGY going from zero to first place hero in one FA is proof of that.  It looks like 2025 will be the year that status quo WFC may not be "enough" to make the cup.  Every single W team appears to have improved, except maybe BC.

What did we "improve" at in FA and DP?  DE.  That's it.  Other units are basically status quo, some units (RECs) vastly diminished of star power.

Pokey returning from the NFL would be a huge boon...

I think this is the long expected rebuild of the Stamps, I anticipated it the last 2 seasons wasting so many picks on them in Pickem, they were never destined to be bottom dwellers. That organization remembers how to win and they retained most of the coaches that know how to make it happen. The Bombers have 2 more games with them to show they can still outplay them, I wouldn't put big money on their chances.  The spotlight is on Zach and Brady to make it happen.

Practice updates:

From Ed Tait:

Both Dalton Schoen and Stanley Bryant are just watching as the @Wpg_BlueBombers post bye practice week starts

Jake Kelly practising today for first time this year

Micah Vanterpool at LT, Gabe Wallace at guard

From @DTonOB :

T Eric Lofton is back practicing for the first time since camp.
He's on the 6-game injured list so this is the first time he can practice while staying on the list.

In addition to Lofton, Jake Kelly is practicing for the first time in 2025. He is also on 6-game working back from an injury in the Western Final.
#Bombers

Kody Case is the first up in Schoen's spot

RB/RET Peyton Logan is doing some sprints on the sidelines. First time I've seen that.
Logan has been out since training camp on the 1-game injured list

Wow, Schoen hurt again....what is the nature of his injury, and Bryant, what s his injury and are both going to miss the Stamps rematch??

Apparently Kody Case is practicing in Schoen's spot. That is brutal.

I thought Schoen might miss a practice or two. IDK if that means he will be unable to play or getting a vet day with a nick. I didn't expect Case to be the next man up though. Seriously?

Did anybody see Bryant get injured? That's news to me. If he has to sit out, Vanterpool moving out to LT changes the ratio back to a 3 Canadian OL. If that happens we can add another import somewhere.

This falls to J.Jones, D. Mitchell ( even if he's not starting ) or Person. I think we need fresh legs at DE so he'd be my choice to add

Lofton and Kelly back at practice is good news. I'm still very confused about Logan not able to practice going into week 5. I can understand not adding him to the AR if that was the choice. However, being on the 1 game IR and clearly not yet ready to practice seems like a medical judgment error.

Quote from: RebusRankin on July 13, 2025, 07:06:06 PMApparently Kody Case is practicing in Schoen's spot. That is brutal.

Day #1 practice, I wouldn't read much into it.

I read into it that Schoen can play but they are holding him out of practice. MOS rewards longest serving guy (Case) with reps.

So what did Mitchell do to get on O'Sheas S*** list?
Once your on it,seems like its very hard to get off of it.
Its a short week so even the first day is telling. I hope I have to eat my words but Case couldn't even beat out Johnson ly. I was surprised he even made the practice roster
Hopefully Waffler is right and Schoen is just being rested

Quote from: Pete on July 13, 2025, 08:50:40 PMSo what did Mitchell do to get on O'Sheas S*** list?
Once your on it,seems like its very hard to get off of it.
Its a short week so even the first day is telling. I hope I have to eat my words but Case couldn't even beat out Johnson ly. I was surprised he even made the practice roster
Hopefully Waffler is right and Schoen is just being rested

Not for the Bombers. They are actually practicing a day early and will probably take Wednesday off.

A regular wrek is 3 days of practice and then a walkthrough the day before the gameday.

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Quote from: Waffler on July 13, 2025, 08:28:42 PMI read into it that Schoen can play but they are holding him out of practice. MOS rewards longest serving guy (Case) with reps.

That's a total O'Shea move. Why wouldn't he give the next man up the reps to prepare him for potential game time next injury. Cody case give me a break

Cody Case knows the offense.  Hasn't done much but maybe the Bomber brass see something here.  Time will tell.

Quote from: Pete on July 13, 2025, 08:50:40 PMSo what did Mitchell do to get on O'Sheas S*** list?

I think Mitchell is in the FO phase of FIFO.

From everything I've read, he's never fit in.  Maybe a headcase worse than TOR's Kelly, or as disinterested as C.Matthews was in his brief return.

Maybe he needs a mentor / babysitter, for one last shot at making it work.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 13, 2025, 07:09:49 PMDid anybody see Bryant get injured? That's news to me.

Big Stan hasn't gotten injured.  I think he's just having general health issues, similar to his on-field collapse.  And he's clearly slower, getting eaten alive on outside speed pass rush.

I'm starting to think that even if Zach is back for '26, Stan retires.  He might not even finish the year.  Sad, but this is my gut feeling.

Quote from: dd on July 13, 2025, 04:13:03 PMI think we'll more than have our hands full, I think the Stamps beat us at home this week!! Their D line is miles better than ours. Our run game will be shut down and our passing game will continue to struggle.

That's the spirit!  Let's forfeit now and save the injuries!  :P  :P  :P

I think we'll find a way to get the run game going.  Brady needs to earn his best-in-league paycheck.  Hasn't done it yet.  He's behind basically every franchise RB right now and has shown basically nothing.

If we change-up the OL heavily, maybe we'll be beefier and get some holes.  Lofton, Wallace, Vanterpool might be a good experiment.  I have maintained this whole time that Lofton was the desired RT in 2025.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 14, 2025, 03:00:11 AM(https://scontent.fyka2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/518384822_1272773590862637_1047695072008662415_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640_tt6&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=ikBN1Mb1WUIQ7kNvwHikDVp&_nc_oc=Adktc4NUg-871YHlIGf4bkyMxY7_mKh5oVHtLs_3N8pNiblVP5tSkDUFSKTVDn36tk-1y-F7tjLRd3scoSNTf171&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka2-1.fna&_nc_gid=U5Kj9rZzeb9nxNc91qZoiQ&oh=00_AfQA5uLddQoDG6YtWr9PhPfHC_5U1-Sl9vrLqs1AIVe-mQ&oe=687A2EAA)

You know MOS loves that attitude.  I find it funny though that new(ish) guys will say that stuff, but when do you hear a vet say they'd be happy to sit on the bench if it'll help?

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 14, 2025, 03:25:35 AMThat's the spirit!  Let's forfeit now and save the injuries!  :P  :P  :P

I think we'll find a way to get the run game going.  Brady needs to earn his best-in-league paycheck.  Hasn't done it yet.  He's behind basically every franchise RB right now and has shown basically nothing.

If we change-up the OL heavily, maybe we'll be beefier and get some holes.  Lofton, Wallace, Vanterpool might be a good experiment.  I have maintained this whole time that Lofton was the desired RT in 2025.

Attaboy!  We'll just have to figure out how to get that run game going - not just "going" though...I want to see us pound it all night.  Long drives for points & tire out this upstart D.

not going to be an easy game if the Stamps we have seen the last two games show up, but we are home and I don't think we generally throw out two stinkers in a row...and we are home.

Time for Hogan to shine and show he can coordinate a pro level offense - he has the tools, Hall of fame QB, solid and learning O-line, Hall of fame RB, a number of very good receivers.  there is no reason to have quarters with 1 or 2 first downs like we have seen the last couple of games.

Zach has to be better and not be tossing picks, I think we will go some max protect packages and air this thing out.  make the Calgary secondary try and cover Demski, Schoen and Wheatfall - can't be done if ZC has time.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 02:08:51 PMair this thing out.

Interesting take. I was thinking the exact opposite, a ball control type game that keeps Calgary's O off the field. There is more than one way to win and I'll be happy with any type.

Very important to be able to run for 4-6 yards on first down. We seem to convert 2nd and 9-10 yards at such a low rate.
We've built our success on winning the trenches. We have the hogs to do it on offence, but if we need to scheme up stunts on defence to get home, lets get it done! Let's make that Calgary OL work for it!

The things that seems to make OShea tick are not showing up in shape, and effort in practice. Giving Case reps may be sending a message.
 I still don't understand letting white go if Mitchell isnt in the plans

Quote from: Pete on July 14, 2025, 03:12:14 PMThe things that seems to make OShea tick are not showing up in shape, and effort in practice. Giving Case reps may be sending a message.
 I still don't understand letting white go if Mitchell isnt in the plans

IIRC White declined staying on the PR for more than the 1st week. That may have been too early to make a different choice between Mitchell and White. Since they had invested so much in Mitchell I can see why that decision was made.

OTOH, this week is game 5 and something needs to give regardless of whether Schoen is out this week.

Stearns

2025

WPG   4   16   13   124   27   1   9.5


Games, target complete yds Yac td av.

Reliable when thrown to. 27 yac on 13 receptions. Catching in traffic?

Trying to understand what works and why is tough. For me.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 14, 2025, 03:15:41 PMIIRC White declined staying on the PR for more than the 1st week. That may have been too early to make a different choice between Mitchell and White. Since they had invested so much in Mitchell I can see why that decision was made.

OTOH, this week is game 5 and something needs to give regardless of whether Schoen is out this week.

what are you expecting to "give"?...if Schoen is healthy he will play.  If he isn't then I guess we will see who gets in - if Case is practicing in that spot all week then there is your answer - if Mitchell and Case are both practicing in that spot then it could be either.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 03:20:44 PMwhat are you expecting to "give"?...if Schoen is healthy he will play.  If he isn't then I guess we will see who gets in - if Case is practicing in that spot all week then there is your answer - if Mitchell and Case are both practicing in that spot then it could be either.

I believe Schoen will play but if doesn't then his replacement will be telling. Someone posted that Mitchell doesn't play slot and is dumber than a post. Neither of those comments is well supported. The other comments about FIFO seem more valid although we don't know exactly what the problem might be. He's had to time to adjust.

In any case, if he can't make the roster by the 5th game it's time to cut bait.

Practice reports from today will also give an idea of who is the next man up behind Schoen. I expected Schoen to get a couple of days off even if he's expected to play. It does give an indication of where the depth ranking is at the moment.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 14, 2025, 03:34:11 PMI believe Schoen will play but if doesn't then his replacement will be telling. Someone posted that Mitchell doesn't play slot and is dumber than a post. Neither of those comments is well supported. The other comments about FIFO seem more valid although we don't know exactly what the problem might be. He's had to time to adjust.

In any case, if he can't make the roster by the 5th game it's time to cut bait.

Practice reports from today will also give an idea of who is the next man up behind Schoen. I expected Schoen to get a couple of days off even if he's expected to play. It does give an indication of where the depth ranking is at the moment.

I don't think they will release him - they aren't taking Wheatfall out for Mitchell. He only gets on the active roster if an injury happens or someone has their worst game of their life at an epic level.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 02:08:51 PMnot going to be an easy game if the Stamps we have seen the last two games show up, but we are home and I don't think we generally throw out two stinkers in a row...and we are home.

Time for Hogan to shine and show he can coordinate a pro level offense - he has the tools, Hall of fame QB, solid and learning O-line, Hall of fame RB, a number of very good receivers.  there is no reason to have quarters with 1 or 2 first downs like we have seen the last couple of games.

Zach has to be better and not be tossing picks, I think we will go some max protect packages and air this thing out.  make the Calgary secondary try and cover Demski, Schoen and Wheatfall - can't be done if ZC has time.

I agree with your comments! It will not be an easy game that is a given. What is starting to annoy me is why teams like Calgary seem to be able to restock their DL while we seem to still play the same old troops. If we lose this game I do believe it is time to rethink our DL roster. Jake Thomas (one of my favorite dudes) is way past his best before date and I am starting to think the same about Willy. The other issue I have is whether or not Zack is sort of getting  past his best before date etc. Going to hold off any formal judgement for a few more weeks but starting to lean that way.

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 13, 2025, 08:47:15 PM

Didn't hear a word O'Shea said, I was transfixed by the shiny object in his right ear, if it's an earring it's located in a strange place, maybe it was part of an audio ear piece?

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 03:46:56 PMI don't think they will release him - they aren't taking Wheatfall out for Mitchell. He only gets on the active roster if an injury happens or someone has their worst game of their life at an epic level.

That's part of the discussion in that Schoen MIGHT be injured and he doesn't seem to be next man up. It's only an issue in that he's on the 1 game IR and not the PR.

I recognize he'd probably balk at accepting a PR spot. The team is caught between a rock and a hard place after giving such a large early signing bonus.

We may also see O. Wilson returning later this season.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 14, 2025, 03:15:41 PMIIRC White declined staying on the PR for more than the 1st week. That may have been too early to make a different choice between Mitchell and White. Since they had invested so much in Mitchell I can see why that decision was made.

OTOH, this week is game 5 and something needs to give regardless of whether Schoen is out this week.

White left because he needed to feed his family, it'd be pretty hard to promise him a steady paycheque if he didn't earn a starters role, which he didn't.  Personally I would have kept him over Stearns and Mitchell because I prefer more size, Bombers need to shop for a big receiver next off-season like Cottoy, that guy is a physical monster.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 14, 2025, 04:21:33 PMWhite left because he needed to feed his family...

He's still jobless. I wonder if Walters has kept in touch.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 14, 2025, 04:21:33 PMWhite left because he needed to feed his family, it'd be pretty hard to promise him a steady paycheque if he didn't earn a starters role, which he didn't.  Personally I would have kept him over Stearns and Mitchell because I prefer more size, Bombers need to shop for a big receiver next off-season like Cottoy, that guy is a physical monster.

I understand why White choose to leave. There is no issue with that if there is an issue it would be the choice between keeping Sterns starting over White or Mitchell.

We've heard that Collaros likes Sterns but 4 games 13 catches for 124 yards. You may as well stick Corcoran or Cobbs out there and add another import somewhere.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 14, 2025, 12:35:53 PMYou know MOS loves that attitude.  I find it funny though that new(ish) guys will say that stuff, but when do you hear a vet say they'd be happy to sit on the bench if it'll help?

New guys will say anything to get into the club because for many the CFL is their last hope for a football career, the last stop before the real world kicks in. 

from Bauming:

No Schoen or Bryant

Case is in the slot position, Vanterpool at LT

Derek Taylor says that Chris-Ike hasn't been seen at practice yesterday or today...

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 14, 2025, 04:25:20 PMHe's still jobless. I wonder if Walters has kept in touch.

You don't know that, he may have taken a job outside of football. He was off all last year, he may have left a job to attend TC and decided to return to it.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 14, 2025, 05:12:32 PMYou don't know that, he may have taken a job outside of football. He was off all last year, he may have left a job to attend TC and decided to return to it.

I'm only speculating on his football aspirations. No other team appears to have acquired as of yet.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 04:52:27 PMfrom Bauming:

No Schoen or Bryant

Case is in the slot position, Vanterpool at LT

Derek Taylor says that Chris-Ike hasn't been seen at practice yesterday or today...

Well that's not a great sign but it might still be precautionary / vet days. It could go either way but the reality is that neither need to practice per se.

Chris-Ike may have been excused for personal reasons. Not there and not practising are different aspects. If for some reason he doesn't play then that opens a spot for Cobb I suppose.

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 14, 2025, 03:13:17 AMCody Case knows the offense.  Hasn't done much but maybe the Bomber brass see something here.  Time will tell.

Sure a guy who has done nothing since being here and did not have a reception at Illinois after transfering in from SD is suddenly going to step in a play at a league average level.

Quote from: RebusRankin on July 14, 2025, 06:27:10 PMSure a guy who has done nothing since being here and did not have a reception at Illinois after transfering in from SD is suddenly going to step in a play at a league average level.

I don't expect the world but I do believe he could catch a few passes in spot duty and is a decent returner.  Telling he took reps, interesting to see if other players get reps as well. I would like to see Cobb in action at some point.

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 14, 2025, 08:15:39 PMI don't expect the world but I do believe he could catch a few passes in spot duty and is a decent returner.  Telling he took reps, interesting to see if other players get reps as well. I would like to see Cobb in action at some point.

I like this take, but I don't think that Cobb or Corcoran should be starting honestly...
I do like it because it would mean we can bring in Jones.
But... I think the best thing to do is bring Mitchell into the AR. Why do we have him on our PR if we're not ready to bring him into action in this situation? If we are putting Case ahead of him then we should probably just cut Mitchell.  Before the start of the season, I would've expected Mitchell to be ahead of Sterns, Wheatfall and for sure Case.

Quote from: LXTSN on July 14, 2025, 08:27:01 PMI like this take, but I don't think that Cobb or Corcoran should be starting honestly...
I do like it because it would mean we can bring in Jones.
But... I think the best thing to do is bring Mitchell into the AR. Why do we have him on our PR if we're not ready to bring him into action in this situation? If we are putting Case ahead of him then we should probably just cut Mitchell.  Before the start of the season, I would've expected Mitchell to be ahead of Sterns, Wheatfall and for sure Case.

Mitchell is on the 1 game IR not the PR. Hence a greater issue IMO.

Mitchell they say is not a slot. we run the sweep from there a lot. Case seems better suited for that more so than Mitchell. Just hope he is willing to go full speed in the heavy traffic. I remember him hesitating on his punt returns last year.

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 14, 2025, 07:27:01 PM

Sounds like potential lineup changes on the O-line this week with the return of Lofton and Bryant's iffy status.  Whether Vanderpool or Randolph fills in for Stan will be interesting to note.  The O-line is deep with 7 proven starters vying for 5 jobs and with 4 being Imports it sets up nicely for a trade of assets. Wonder what they could get for Stanley? ;-)

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 04:52:27 PMfrom Bauming:

No Schoen or Bryant

Case is in the slot position, Vanterpool at LT

Derek Taylor says that Chris-Ike hasn't been seen at practice yesterday or today...

@EdTaitWFC
Fullback Michael Chris-Ike was busy during Sunday's @Wpg_BlueBombers practice, but is not participating today. Both Stanley Bryant and Dalton Schoen remain out.


@DTonOB
Rookie Joey Corcoran has been taking some of the Chris-Ike roll in the O thus far.


Free Press made an appearance on TwiXter
@jfreysam
#Bombers not practising today:
RB Michael Chris-Ike
REC Dalton Schoen
LT Stanley Bryant
(Second day in a row for both)
RB Peyton Logan
LS Mike Benson
(Been weeks)

Chris-Ike on injury report today - knee

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Quote from: gobombersgo on July 14, 2025, 09:55:55 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gv2OWdlXsAA7JeX?format=jpg&name=small)

Why is Vanterpool back on the 1 game IR when he played last week?

MCI still nicked up, thus no practice.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/14/milt-stegall-returning-to-cfl-on-tsn-for-week-7-will-join-panel-in-winnipeg/

Milt is coming back. In Winnipeg!

Quote from: Waffler on July 14, 2025, 11:11:06 PMhttps://3downnation.com/2025/07/14/milt-stegall-returning-to-cfl-on-tsn-for-week-7-will-join-panel-in-winnipeg/

Milt is coming back. In Winnipeg!

This is absolutely great news! I look forward to seeing the Blue Bomber legend back and having fun. :)

O'Shea was giving away nothing in his presser today. "Could be 75 throws, could be 75 runs, all that matters is getting a win". This game is going to be a slobberknocker!

darn - current forecast doesn't look good for Friday.  hopefully it will change. 

Duane Ford's rankings for the West:
1. Calgary
2. BC
3. Sask
4. Wpg
5. Edm

Lapo gushing all over the Stamps proclaiming them best in the West and Grey Cup finalists because of their defence. Good! Let the Stamps be the team everyone gets up for instead of us who won't even make the playoffs. Poor Bombers. ;)

Quote from: J5V on July 15, 2025, 12:24:00 AMDuane Ford's rankings for the West:
1. Calgary
2. BC
3. Sask
4. Wpg
5. Edm

Lapo gushing all over the Stamps proclaiming them best in the West and Grey Cup finalists because of their defence. Good! Let the Stamps be the team everyone gets up for instead of us who won't even make the playoffs. Poor Bombers. ;)

Go figure, we smoke the Lions twice and yet THEY get the #2 seed, whatever. I have it Calgary-Wpg-BC-Sask-Edm

Quote from: Waffler on July 14, 2025, 11:11:06 PMhttps://3downnation.com/2025/07/14/milt-stegall-returning-to-cfl-on-tsn-for-week-7-will-join-panel-in-winnipeg/

Milt is coming back. In Winnipeg!

Excellent!!!

It is somewhat ironic and fitting, he comes back on the panel in Winnipeg. Hope he's ready for it, grieving can be tough, especially losing a son, I can't imagine the pain he's been through. Good to see you back Milton!!!!

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 14, 2025, 04:25:20 PMHe's still jobless. I wonder if Walters has kept in touch.

Oh you better believe White will be on speed dial should we have a bad REC injury.  If Schoen is going 6GIR then I think we bring White back, assuming we can come to some arrangement($) where he'll accept PR if he knows he's next man up.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 14, 2025, 04:11:34 PMshiny object in his right ear, if it's an earring it's located in a strange place, maybe it was part of an audio ear piece?

Ya, looks like Bluetooth earpiece.  Looks pink.  I'm pretty sure MOS isn't sporting a new pierced ear with a pink earring... isn't he well past potential midlife crisis age?

Quote from: The Zipp on July 14, 2025, 02:08:51 PMTime for Hogan to shine and show he can coordinate a pro level offense - he has the tools, Hall of fame QB, solid and learning O-line, Hall of fame RB, a number of very good receivers.  there is no reason to have quarters with 1 or 2 first downs like we have seen the last couple of games.

With Hall/Younger and Buck we've seen games where we come out with a completely different O and D for one game.  Like completely anti-WPG schemes and calls.  And it appears suddenly and without warning.

We have done that against tough opponents.  And it almost always won the game for us.

That's what I want to see Friday.  Because that's what's needed.  Biggie knows every little thing our D will do, and he's not only told their OC how to plan, but he's sitting on the sideline with the ipad telling them what to do in realtime.  So throw the book away that Biggie knows, and be the anti-WPG.

And Hogan needs to "pull a Buck" and do stuff completely out of left field from the first snap.

Everyone needs to come up with a better game plan.  CGY may hold the edge on talent right now, so that means we have to win with scheme.  I hope MOS & coords are working their butts off right now, 14-hours a day, up until KO.  If we get spanked again by CGY, at home this time, we can probably kiss the GC good bye.  It's one thing to get spanked all year by TOR or MTL, it's another to get it from a divisional rival.

Quote from: markf on July 14, 2025, 03:20:11 PMStearns
Reliable when thrown to. 27 yac on 13 receptions. Catching in traffic?

That is the hallmark of WFC.  No YAC.  RECs in traffic.  No one open.  Blocking doesn't work, and screens are useless.

The only time we get YAC is on deep shots and one-on-ones.  Or sometimes with FS help, if the REC is Demski  ;)

It's frustrating how little YAC we get as a team.  If there's a stat Junkie can pull up, I'm sure it'll show we suck bad compared to most teams.  Heck, some teams like MTL are nothing but YAC.

Quote from: BBRT on July 14, 2025, 04:06:40 PMThe other issue I have is whether or not Zack is sort of getting  past his best before date etc. Going to hold off any formal judgement for a few more weeks but starting to lean that way.

LOL, but you were probably saying that for the first 6 weeks of 2024 too.  Turns out he got us to another cup.

I for one will never try to predict when Zach has "lost it".  I'd say it would take 12 straight games of him looking like Ford before I do an armchair-GM cut.

If anyone thinks WPG is guaranteed to lose, go place your bets because bookies have us as massive favorites.  You'll make bank locking that in right now.

I bet that line will change if/when we hear Schoen will be going to 6G...

Me, I virtually never bet against the Bombers, and almost certainly not this week (well... pending Schoen news).

I would think if Schoen does not practice today then he doesn't play.  Just too risky that he can't finish the game. I say that because his injury is knee. Not sure if it is the same one but it looked to go a bit sideways when he landed. Could just be pain and inflammation but the cure for that is rest and rehab.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 15, 2025, 04:07:05 AMThat is the hallmark of WFC.  No YAC.  RECs in traffic.  No one open.  Blocking doesn't work, and screens are useless.

The only time we get YAC is on deep shots and one-on-ones.  Or sometimes with FS help, if the REC is Demski  ;)

It's frustrating how little YAC we get as a team.  If there's a stat Junkie can pull up, I'm sure it'll show we suck bad compared to most teams.  Heck, some teams like MTL are nothing but YAC.

YAC:

1. MTL
2. HAM
3. TOR
4. OTT
5. SASK
6. WPG
7. BC
8. CGY
9. EDM

The differences are minimal, however. MTL leads the league with 117 YAC/game, with CGY at 8th with 105 YAC/game, a difference of only 12 yards. The only outlier is EDM, who only averages 74 YAC/game.

This is one of those things where we look at our team through a different lens than we do of other teams. What seems like a great weakness id something that's applicable across the league.

Another stat I saw while looking this up was that Winnipeg is #1 in average offensive points. We have the most successful offense in the league when they're on the field (but 4th in total points). We're missing the defensive and ST points that Hammy, Sask, and Mont are getting.

Quote from: Jesse on July 15, 2025, 02:11:44 PMYAC:

1. MTL
2. HAM
3. TOR
4. OTT
5. SASK
6. WPG
7. BC
8. CGY
9. EDM

Full disclosure: I'm re-reading the stats page and this could be referring to YAC against, as in how much our defense allows. It's difficult to tell.

When you compare the numbers to teams' passing yards it makes sense (Edmonton being way behind while others grouped pretty close together), but I can't be 100% sure.

This is a huge game even though it's early in the season. If the Stamps beat us again, no matter the score, then they are the new team that you have to go through to make it to the Grey Cup. The new top team in the CFL. It would be the same as when we finally beat them 5 years ago to take over the top spot. That's what's on the line this week.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 15, 2025, 04:07:05 AMThat is the hallmark of WFC.  No YAC.  RECs in traffic.  No one open.  Blocking doesn't work, and screens are useless.

The only time we get YAC is on deep shots and one-on-ones.  Or sometimes with FS help, if the REC is Demski  ;)

It's frustrating how little YAC we get as a team.  If there's a stat Junkie can pull up, I'm sure it'll show we suck bad compared to most teams.  Heck, some teams like MTL are nothing but YAC.

And the hope is that a smaller guy like stearns  can make quick moves and get something extra.

I wonder if our O is sometimes a bit too easy to "read"

But I have concluded in my wisdom, that it is mostly related to how Zach plays.

When he's on, they can't be stopped, when he's off they can barely get a first down.

Bo is the same.

We might want to take out the sideline pass that resulted in 14 points against us.

I agree, when Zac is on, and feels comfortable with protection hes able to hit those mid to long passes which opens up a lot of other things.
When hes not he reverts to short game which is often unsuccessful and hard to maintain on long field.

Quote from: Pete on July 15, 2025, 02:51:34 PMI agree, when Zac is on, and feels comfortable with protection hes able to hit those mid to long passes which opens up a lot of other things.
When hes not he reverts to short game which is often unsuccessful and hard to maintain on long field.

How much of that relates to play calling and talent of the receivers? Wheatfall if becoming a good receiver but he's not Lawler. We don't have O. Wilson yet in 2025. We didn't have Oliveria for 2 of the 3 games Collaros was the QB.

Obviously Collaros is no longer a 25 year old QB and is on the downside of his career. However lots of other factors involved.

I wouldn't be too worried quite yet. If we get blown out by the Stamps this week, I might start to get a little more concerned but the Grey Cup isn't won in July. We started 2024 going 2- 6 didn't we?

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 15, 2025, 03:53:50 AMOh you better believe White will be on speed dial should we have a bad REC injury.  If Schoen is going 6GIR then I think we bring White back, assuming we can come to some arrangement($) where he'll accept PR if he knows he's next man up.

Don't think Schoen will be going to the 6 game, saw a clip of him participating in a drill beside Demski, he wasn't in uniform but it did not look like he had a serious problem moving. I'd prefer he sit out this game regardless, no need to rush him back.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 15, 2025, 04:08:50 AMLOL, but you were probably saying that for the first 6 weeks of 2024 too.  Turns out he got us to another cup.

I for one will never try to predict when Zach has "lost it".  I'd say it would take 12 straight games of him looking like Ford before I do an armchair-GM cut.

Here is the deal my friend. The Trend is Our Friend - and I am willing to wait to see how the trend line looks for Zach over the next few games. Not looking for any short term answer just where things will line up over time.

Every game is important but we need to put up or shut up. Winning is preferable. OTOH, if we lose we want to at least look like we are competing and not being out coached. Out coached includes making intelligent decisions about the AR taking into account injuries.

We have 3 starters that may not play but it's still TBD today as far as we know. Coaches may have already made those decisions but we won't know until Thursday.

Multiple possibilities exist for each player injured. On one hand I'd like to see what some of the depth players can do but on the other I hope we don't lose some starters.

next man up will be tested this week looks like

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 15, 2025, 04:35:20 PMnext man up will be tested this week looks like

Yes that's true. Because we don't really know who is actually out we're just guessing who the next man up will be. I guess that's the fun of it until we know what's going on.

OTOH, it might open the door for 1 to 3 players that have yet to play in 2025.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 15, 2025, 04:50:19 PMYes that's true. Because we don't really know who is actually out we're just guessing who the next man up will be. I guess that's the fun of it until we know what's going on.

OTOH, it might open the door for 1 to 3 players that have yet to play in 2025.

Would have been nice to experiment if they weren't facing such a potent competitor, best save the discovery for easier games.

With the talent we have, shouldn't be too much of a drop off.  Time to show the West who is boss.  Brady bully ball is what we need.

High praise for Tony Jones, Kyrie and Joey Corcoran.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 15, 2025, 07:54:52 PMHigh praise for Tony Jones, Kyrie and Joey Corcoran.

You get notifications from the Bombers YouTube aswell? lol

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 15, 2025, 07:54:52 PMHigh praise for Tony Jones, Kyrie and Joey Corcoran.

Current studs and future stud?

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 15, 2025, 08:37:36 PMCurrent studs and future stud?

It's the warm and fuzzy feeling you get when your minimum score is 10/10 and you, in fact, score a 10.

Chris-Ike back at full participation in practice. D. Schoen and S. Bryant noted as " DNP " again, so they may be out this week. O'Shea mentioned they don't need to practice in order to play but that's not a good sign for this week. I guess we'll see what happens.

Quote from: Jesse on July 15, 2025, 02:11:44 PMYAC:

1. MTL
6. WPG

The differences are minimal

Basically what I predicted, with the added bonus that we're not dead last.  The Wheatie huge YAC TD probably skews our results a bit.  If we could get YA on short/mid pass only, that would show a different (zero YAC) tune.

"minimal": ya, but it's that 2-3Y YAC on the short pass that's the difference between drive-continues and drive-is-dead.  Those are the critical yards that win you CFL games.  I posit it's why MTL has been so dominant the last couple of seasons.

Quote from: markf on July 15, 2025, 02:32:02 PMWe might want to take out the sideline pass that resulted in 14 points against us.

But that's often the only wide-open play on max-coverage D's.  You can't just ignore that "freebie" spot.

No, what Zach should be doing, is reading whether the DB can get there in time.  It's a head-timing issue.  Zach is screwing it up.  And you need to spot when you're being baited into a pick-6 like we were screaming at the TV last game.

All the good young QBs like Alexander (and oldster VAJ) can read and use that wide out properly.  Read the timing and judge your throw speed vs DB distance/speed.  This is why we pay all these guys the half mill+ we do.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 15, 2025, 03:55:52 PMDon't think Schoen will be going to the 6 game

I really hope not!  If he spends another 3/4 season in the tub then his stock in the CFL will fall faaaaast.  And we'll be without a "star" REC for '25, unless Pokey comes back.

Interesting tidbits considering the whole league is talking about how dominant CGY is now:

1. cfl.ca fantasy pickems has WPG with 65% of the pickems.

2. Rider forum has decent-sized majority taking WPG.  Remember: they viscerally hate us.

3. playnow has us as -4.0 favorites.

CGY is the best!  But more people are putting their money where their mouth isn't.  Interesting!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 16, 2025, 06:25:19 AMInteresting tidbits considering the whole league is talking about how dominant CGY is now:

1. cfl.ca fantasy pickems has WPG with 65% of the pickems.

2. Rider forum has decent-sized majority taking WPG.  Remember: they viscerally hate us.

3. playnow has us as -4.0 favorites.

CGY is the best!  But more people are putting their money where their mouth isn't.  Interesting!

Jamie Nye, who always seems to pick the Bombers to lose is going with Winnipeg this week;

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gv7ViOGa4AENNwW?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 16, 2025, 05:51:15 AMBasically what I predicted, with the added bonus that we're not dead last.  The Wheatie huge YAC TD probably skews our results a bit.  If we could get YA on short/mid pass only, that would show a different (zero YAC) tune.

"minimal": ya, but it's that 2-3Y YAC on the short pass that's the difference between drive-continues and drive-is-dead.  Those are the critical yards that win you CFL games.  I posit it's why MTL has been so dominant the last couple of seasons.

But the difference between us and Montreal isn't 2-3 yards a pass, it's less than 9 yards per game. And if you take out every team's biggest play, than we're probably all completely even.

It statistically doesn't seem to be the difference maker you think it is. Except for being one of the reasons Edmonton sucks so bad.

Weather has smartened up and it should be a great evening in Winnipeg!!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 16, 2025, 05:54:10 AMBut that's often the only wide-open play on max-coverage D's.  You can't just ignore that "freebie" spot.

No, what Zach should be doing, is reading whether the DB can get there in time.  It's a head-timing issue.  Zach is screwing it up.  And you need to spot when you're being baited into a pick-6 like we were screaming at the TV last game.

All the good young QBs like Alexander (and oldster VAJ) can read and use that wide out properly.  Read the timing and judge your throw speed vs DB distance/speed.  This is why we pay all these guys the half mill+ we do.

It's a bread and butter play... except for us.

Fingers are crossed that Bryant and Schoen will play. Losing one or both for this game won't help.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 16, 2025, 01:57:53 PMFingers are crossed that Bryant and Schoen will play. Losing one or both for this game won't help.

I'm okay with missing either or both. Neither have been particularly great this year and so therefore neither replacement needs to be "peak" Bryant or Schoen.

Chances are actually pretty decent that whoever we put in there might produce better over the medium term. In both of those places we aren't putting in first year players and I don't think there's going to be a big dropoff.

Seems a slam dunk that neither one is playing.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 16, 2025, 01:57:53 PMFingers are crossed that Bryant and Schoen will play. Losing one or both for this game won't help.

Happy to see Stan sitting out so we can get a look at how this new configuration works against a good D-line, they are the future, Stan is the past.  I want them 100% committed to moving on at the end of this season, let's find out if they have the right horses in the barn to do so. Won't be surprised if we see Lofton back at RT, moving Randolph onto the 1 game for a spell.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 16, 2025, 04:39:25 PMHappy to see Stan sitting out so we can see how this new configuration works against a good D-line, they are the future, Stan is the past.  I want them 100% committed to moving on at the end of this season, let's find out if they have the right horses in the barn to do so. Won't be surprised if we see Lofton back at RT, moving Randolph onto the 1 game for a spell.

That's a harsh view. Schoen may not be the player he was in 2019 but Case has 1 catch for 5 yards. Schoen has been targeted 27 times in 4 games. He's also a very good blocker and out weighs Case by 27 lbs.

Not having Bryant could result in Collaros getting injured. That's the concern. I don't expect Lofton back this week. He's not eligible to come off the 6 game IR without penalty IIRC. He also just started practice this week. I think he might come off IR in 2 weeks.

It's one thing to look forward but Bryant has been one of the top LT's his entire career. Even at a reduced level he might still be either # 1 or # 2.

I have noticed a drop off Bryant's play this year. he appears to be slower and is getting beat around the horn a lot.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 16, 2025, 04:58:12 PMThat's a harsh view. Schoen may not be the player he was in 2019 but Case has 1 catch for 5 yards. Schoen has been targeted 27 times in 4 games. He's also a very good blocker and out weighs Case by 27 lbs.

Not having Bryant could result in Collaros getting injured. That's the concern. I don't expect Lofton back this week. He's not eligible to come off the 6 game IR without penalty IIRC. He also just started practice this week. I think he might come off IR in 2 weeks.

It's one thing to look forward but Bryant has been one of the top LT's his entire career. Even at a reduced level he might still be either # 1 or # 2.

Also happy to let Stan play out the year, but I don't want to see them extending him just because he wants to continue playing. If good replacements are in place the end of this season is the logical time to move on.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 16, 2025, 06:22:08 PMAlso happy to let Stan play out the year, but I don't want to see them extending him just because he wants to continue playing. If good replacements are in place the end of this season is the logical time to move on.

I'd be good with that. Vanterpool seems to be the heir apparent and will be significantly less expensive. However both Vanterpool and Randolph show as only under contract for 2025. He'd get a bump coming off of his ELC but not up to $170K that Bryant gets.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 16, 2025, 07:03:45 PMI'd be good with that. Vanterpool seems to be the heir apparent and will be significantly less expensive. However both Vanterpool and Randolph show as only under contract for 2025. He'd get a bump coming off of his ELC but not up to $170K that Bryant gets.

I'd be surprised if Stan was paid that low, I believe he's been near $200k for most of his time in Wpg.

Excited to see how Vanterpool and Randolph would look at a tackle duo.

Quote from: Horseman on July 16, 2025, 06:08:52 PMI have noticed a drop off Bryant's play this year. he appears to be slower and is getting beat around the horn a lot.

He's got a pronounced limp when he walks. We should judge him after the ankle heals.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 16, 2025, 07:30:17 PMI'd be surprised if Stan was paid that low, I believe he's been near $200k for most of his time in Wpg.

That's what it shows on the unofficial roster list. I agree he's usually been higher but he does 1 year deals and he may have gotten more early money which reduces the final SMS hit. It's the only number we can see and it may be incorrect.

That list indicates all our OL are potential free agents going into 2026 at the moment.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 16, 2025, 04:58:12 PMThat's a harsh view. Schoen may not be the player he was in 2019 but Case has 1 catch for 5 yards. Schoen has been targeted 27 times in 4 games. He's also a very good blocker and out weighs Case by 27 lbs.

Not having Bryant could result in Collaros getting injured. That's the concern. I don't expect Lofton back this week. He's not eligible to come off the 6 game IR without penalty IIRC. He also just started practice this week. I think he might come off IR in 2 weeks.

It's one thing to look forward but Bryant has been one of the top LT's his entire career. Even at a reduced level he might still be either # 1 or # 2.

Thinking that your thinking 2022/23 for DS83. Strev 2019.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 16, 2025, 09:05:11 PMThinking that your thinking 2022/23 for DS83. Strev 2019.

Yes of course.

I see that today's IR report shows Schoen and Bryant as " doubtful ". Lofton and Logan listed as " out " as I thought.

I guess we'll see what they decide on replacements on the AR. Case seems to be one choice but adding another import may come on the defensive side of the roster. There weren't any mentions about Elsbury seeing more reps this week and he's the only other import OL.

Maybe we get to see Person this week for depth at DE.

Kody Case has good hands, and he has very good speed. I think he might surprise a few people. When you watch him at practice he reminds me of Snead for Montreal, just a little bigger.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 16, 2025, 09:17:58 PMKody Case has good hands, and he has very good speed. I think he might surprise a few people. When you watch him at practice he reminds me of Snead for Montreal, just a little bigger.

Snead reminds me of Dressler and Luke Tasker, smart receivers that always show up in the right place at the right time.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 16, 2025, 09:17:58 PMKody Case has good hands, and he has very good speed. I think he might surprise a few people. When you watch him at practice he reminds me of Snead for Montreal, just a little bigger.

Guy is lightning quick. One of those guys who looks fast and plays faster. The change of direction is impressive. He needs to be put in the right situations. Looking forward to seeing how he's developed.

Quote from: Jesse on July 16, 2025, 10:15:30 AMBut the difference between us and Montreal isn't 2-3 yards a pass, it's less than 9 yards per game. And if you take out every team's biggest play, than we're probably all completely even.

Even if it's 9Y a game, that's 3-4 drives that can continue vs die.  That wins you games.  It all depends on the YAC is distributed: many tiny plays vs big 40Y YAC explosions.

However, it's a good question and I'll try to pay particular attention to it this week.  We'll get to see both MTL and WPG and the YAC they do / don't do.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 16, 2025, 02:04:24 PMI'm okay with missing either or both. Neither have been particularly great this year and so therefore neither replacement needs to be "peak" Bryant or Schoen.

Then we are probably screwed.  A GC-host GC-bound team needs to have at least one top-5 REC.  Preferably 2.  Certainly we need 1-2 top-10 RECs.

If Schoen is out, we have zero top-5, and probably zero top-10 RECs.  We'd have a weaker REC corps than even the worst REC teams like SSK (ewww) and EDM.

You don't make your run for the home cup with a corps like that.  You do what SSK 2013 did and get the league-best REC (Simon) as well as other top supporting cast.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 16, 2025, 09:05:11 PMThinking that your thinking 2022/23 for DS83. Strev 2019.

But we are thinking '22 Schoen.  Clearly that was the plan all along.  We put all of our REC eggs into that basket, on a big gamble he'd give better YDS/TD per SMS$ than Kenny.  If Kenny goes this whole year unhurt and keeps his current production up then we made a biiiiiiiiig mistake not matching HAM's offer.  Doubly so if Schoen is in the tub or dropping all his balls.

I remain optimistic, however crazy that seems right at this moment.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 16, 2025, 09:23:22 PMSnead reminds me of Dressler and Luke Tasker, smart receivers that always show up in the right place at the right time.

Except he hasn't.  Yet.  And he might get benched.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 16, 2025, 10:21:35 PMGuy is lightning quick. One of those guys who looks fast and plays faster. The change of direction is impressive. He needs to be put in the right situations. Looking forward to seeing how he's developed.

(Case)

Ya but he didn't show squat the couple/few times he was on our AR before as returner and backup REC (I think).  I guess 1-2 more years dev might help, but until we see something, it's all just a dreams and wishes.

If our season and GC hopes rest on Case, I think we may be in for a heap of pain, and it's reflective of very, very bad GM choices.

Happy to hear there's so much enthusiasm for Case although I have no idea where it's coming from

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 16, 2025, 10:28:33 PMEven if it's 9Y a game, that's 3-4 drives that can continue vs die.  That wins you games.  It all depends on the YAC is distributed: many tiny plays vs big 40Y YAC explosions.

However, it's a good question and I'll try to pay particular attention to it this week.  We'll get to see both MTL and WPG and the YAC they do / don't do.

Or it's one play that went for 27 yards instead of 18.

Quote from: blue_or_die on July 16, 2025, 10:38:39 PMHappy to hear there's so much enthusiasm for Case although I have no idea where it's coming from

It's coming from the fact that Wheatfall made a second year leap so why not Case?

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 16, 2025, 10:37:32 PM(Case)

Ya but he didn't show squat the couple/few times he was on our AR before as returner and backup REC (I think).  I guess 1-2 more years dev might help, but until we see something, it's all just a dreams and wishes.

If our season and GC hopes rest on Case, I think we may be in for a heap of pain, and it's reflective of very, very bad GM choices.

Lol "if our season rests on Case." Only you could turn being patient with a guy and developing him along into a triple negative.

If he was Canadian he'd have started 20 games already.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 16, 2025, 10:37:32 PM(Case)

Ya but he didn't show squat the couple/few times he was on our AR before as returner and backup REC (I think).  I guess 1-2 more years dev might help, but until we see something, it's all just a dreams and wishes.

If our season and GC hopes rest on Case, I think we may be in for a heap of pain, and it's reflective of very, very bad GM choices.

What's the harm giving Case a chance?  They kept him over a bunch of other receivers, maybe he'll show us why. 

or else demonstrate once again how OShea puts loyalty to his favored players ahead of talent

Quote from: Jesse on July 16, 2025, 10:39:18 PMIt's coming from the fact that Wheatfall made a second year leap so why not Case?

Because Wheatie started like half a year of games for us in '24, and played in the GC.

Case... uh, dressed (not started) in 3 games.  2 TAR, 1 REC, 5 YDS.

Hey, I have nothing at all against Case.  Maybe he's a secret Pokey and the next Dressler.  I'm just saying that our heir apparent #1 top-3 CFL REC Schoen being replaced by him does not give me great optimism in our quest to win the home cup.  Now, if you replaced Sterns or Wheatie with him... that would be a different story.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 16, 2025, 11:56:09 PMIf he was Canadian he'd have started 20 games already.

But he is an IMP, isn't he.  (Said in the voice of the crazy lady in Whatever Happend To Baby Jane.  And if you haven't seen the movie, this post will make zero sense.)

Quote from: blue_or_die on July 16, 2025, 10:38:39 PMHappy to hear there's so much enthusiasm for Case although I have no idea where it's coming from

I think it comes from the people that go to practice and watch these players develop. You see a guy like Case putting in the work, and making some great catches.

Pretty deep divide on Case here.  Derek Taylor called it a "big drop off" on the radio and he goes to every practice. To me it depends if Case can play full speed and with confidence in a game now, if so he can make a contribution. It's wait and see.

If Schoen remains out, how many games will he get? Would middling results matter? Hard to judge what O'Shea will do. He stuck with Josh Johnson and Ontaria Wilson a long time, rewarded by only one of them.

This was the guy who was on the Colts roster, right?  Ya, you don't make the NFL if you're a bum WR.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 17, 2025, 12:58:26 PMThis was the guy who was on the Colts roster, right?  Ya, you don't make the NFL if you're a bum WR.

Every guy has been through an NFL training camp before coming up here, it doesn't mean anything.

I haven't been blown away with any of receivers yet, but obviously that's on Zach and the OL too.

I'm impressed by the fact that no one has made a pun good or bad, using Case's name.

Well done forum!

His punt returns that I recall. Very Reliable at catching the ball, but not much chance of  more than a few yards gained after the catch. I guess that's normal though.

Quote from: Jesse on July 16, 2025, 10:39:18 PMIt's coming from the fact that Wheatfall made a second year leap so why not Case?

I'm in the minority here but I'm not as shocked by Wheatie's explosion this year as most others. Last year before Wilson exploded, Wheatfall was in early in the season and in my opinion was stand-out from my eyeball test, amongst a group of new receivers where we were struggling. Case was in the mix too and did not impress me at all despite the hype. You could argue he wasn't given the same opportunity as Wheatie last year, but then I would just say that he was lower on the list than a large group of rooks and that speaks volumes.

Having said all that, yeah, it's totally possible that he's actually very good and has made meaningful improvement.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 17, 2025, 05:03:05 AMI think it comes from the people that go to practice and watch these players develop. You see a guy like Case putting in the work, and making some great catches.

Fair enough - I don't go to practices. Hoping a good practice guy makes hay when the lights are on.

Quote from: blue_or_die on July 17, 2025, 04:58:57 PMI'm in the minority here but I'm not as shocked by Wheatie's explosion this year as most others. Last year before Wilson exploded, Wheatfall was in early in the season and in my opinion was stand-out from my eyeball test, amongst a group of new receivers where we were struggling. Case was in the mix too and did not impress me at all despite the hype. You could argue he wasn't given the same opportunity as Wheatie last year, but then I would just say that he was lower on the list than a large group of rooks and that speaks volumes.

Having said all that, yeah, it's totally possible that he's actually very good and has made meaningful improvement.

Fair enough - I don't go to practices. Hoping a good practice guy makes hay when the lights are on.

Also shocked at the Wheaton explosion. You hope for the best with 2nd year guys but I wasn't impressed last year.

It's also massively disappointing that Mitchell didn't earn the start even in Dalton's absence. Big swing and a miss of a FA.

Ontaria Wilson is listed listed as a long shot by the Athletic today. The Jets camp starts Tuesday.


WR Dymere Miller, WR Ontaria Wilson: Miller is a speedy UDFA from Rutgers, and Wilson (nicknamed "Pokey") has some CFL experience. Both made some plays in the spring.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6493225/2025/07/17/new-york-jets-roster-breakdown-training-camp/

Quote from: Waffler on July 17, 2025, 05:32:31 PMOntaria Wilson is listed listed as a long shot by the Athletic today. The Jets camp starts Tuesday.


WR Dymere Miller, WR Ontaria Wilson: Miller is a speedy UDFA from Rutgers, and Wilson (nicknamed "Pokey") has some CFL experience. Both made some plays in the spring.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6493225/2025/07/17/new-york-jets-roster-breakdown-training-camp/

Really need him, but if he holds out through some preseason games, it's still months away. And that's if he doesn't take the year off looking for additional opportunities.

Quote from: Jesse on July 17, 2025, 05:27:35 PMAlso shocked at the Wheaton explosion. You hope for the best with 2nd year guys but I wasn't impressed last year.

It's also massively disappointing that Mitchell didn't earn the start even in Dalton's absence. Big swing and a miss of a FA.

If Schoen is out for awhile, Case doesn't impress and Mitchell can't earn a start, dump him and bring back Reggie White.  Remembering that they attempted to keep him and he left on his own accord, the issue being the size of his paycheque.

Zach speaks highly of Case, Schoen and Stearns. 


As does O'Shea.

Man Schoen being out sucks big, big time!! I think the man is done/will never fully recover to his previous high impact standard. We need a Plan B right now, bringing back White makes total sense.

I'd like to make the case.... 8)

Quote from: Waffler on July 17, 2025, 11:38:40 AMIf Schoen remains out, how many games will he get?

Well, I checked and they put Schoen on the 6G, not the 1G.  So there's a hint as to the answer.  It looks like another knee issue (same knee?).  He could even be done for the season, meaning he's a complete bust and we have no top-5 REC, probably not top-10 REC, and our season is done.

We bet it all on Schoen, and it turns out Kenny was the (healthy) keeper.  It was a fair gamble, but we lost.

I was sure it was a knee when he landed on it and it went sideways, his shin folded underneath.

3 looks at it:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ce4Xlr_7FGY

I assume it is the same knee, a healthy knee would not need 6 weeks to recover from that. What I wonder is why he had no brace on?  Strev wears one as have other Bombers in the past.

Quote from: Waffler on July 17, 2025, 11:25:25 PMI assume it is the same knee, a healthy knee would not need 6 weeks to recover from that. What I wonder is why he had no brace on?  Strev wears one as have other Bombers in the past.

Thanks, that's handy.  Ya, basically a non-contact.  Normal healthy knees don't buckle when you jump 1 foot off the ground.

So right knee.  Can anyone confirm that's the same knee from last year?

RECs can't really do the knee brace thing, especially a shifty/mobile one like Schoen.  Strev can get away with it as he's more a pick-a-direction-and-plow runner.

Might be the end for Schoen.  What a disaster.

Ya, this sucks, and hindsight is always 20-20, but it doesn't make any sense to tie up big $$ on a receiver with an injury prone knee, not sure what we can do about it no except go with what we got in house, except maybe bring back Reggie white jr.

Quote from: dd on Today at 03:08:03 AMYa, this sucks, and hindsight is always 20-20, but it doesn't make any sense to tie up big $$ on a receiver with an injury prone knee, not sure what we can do about it no except go with what we got in house, except maybe bring back Reggie white jr.

If Reggie would have stuck around good chance he'd be playing tomorrow in place of Case. If they cut Mitchell, he should be the guy they bring back if Pokey isn't coming, they can pay him to sit on the 1 game till needed, and he will be needed.

Pokey would be after labor day at soonest, right?  That's when NFL returns trickle back?  If Kenny can't make NFL, Pokey can't make NFL.  Let's hope he does the quick return like Mack/Betts/Rourke, and not the 1.5 year waste of time so many do.

And here we are, reduced to wishing & hoping for NFL rejects.  Sigh.