I think the Bombers got through last nights game without any major injuries. Wheatfall got dinged a bit but appeared to be okay as he returned to the game. The Bombers have a few days off before their next game so the Bombers should be able to go with the same lineup for the game against Calgary. Hopefully the Bombers will have Olivera back for that game.
I always worry about short week injuries especially against a physical team like Edmonton. Thought we got through relatively fine *knock on wood*
Well if Wheatfall is out then Mitchell will get a chance to play. We'll have to watch and see if Oliveria practices this week. His return has a positive impact on how we use the ratio.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 27, 2025, 03:25:46 PMWell if Wheatfall out then Mitchell will get a chance to play. We'll have to watch and see if Oliveria practices this week. His return has a positive impact on how we use the ratio.
Wheatfall appeared to be fine. He looked just winded on the field and came back afterwards, looked normal and finished the game. Totally right that it's an area of depth though!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 27, 2025, 03:32:29 PMWheatfall appeared to be fine. He looked just winded on the field and came back afterwards, looked normal and finished the game. Totally right that it's an area of depth though!
Didn't notice him, did Wheatfall play again? Also didn't notice Corcoran out there as his replacement.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2025, 04:16:46 PMDidn't notice him, did Wheatfall play again? Also didn't notice Corcoran out there as his replacement.
Because Wheatfall didn't miss a snap. He fall hard on a second and long. Ran off after a bit of time and was back out there the next drive.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 27, 2025, 04:28:35 PMBecause Wheatfall didn't miss a snap. He fall hard on a second and long. Ran off after a bit of time and was back out there the next drive.
Don't think so, heard he was assisted to the dressing room, but maybe that happened just before the half so he didn't miss any series. Don't believe he caught a pass after his crash. If I had to diagnose, I would guess mild concussion/headache.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2025, 04:32:19 PMDon't think so, heard he was assisted to the dressing room, but maybe that happened just before the half so he didn't miss any series. Don't believe he caught a pass after his crash. If I had to diagnose, I would guess mild concussion/headache.
I didn't notice that live. For sure he played the series after he took the tumble cause I was watching for it.
I have no idea whether Oliveria will be available against the Stamps. Hopefully he will be a choice that could be made.
In theory that would mean Cooley will come off the roster. I could see him shifted to the 1 game IR. Not so much because he might get poached from the PR but IMO he's a keeper and he's earned that even though it's only been 2 games.
There might be a couple of players that went on 1 game IR last week that will be available + a couple of those that weren't actually injured.
I'd like to see Vanterpool back whether he starts or is a back up. While having an import OL not starting is unusual we don't have great depth on the OL.
Interestingly if Oliveria returns, nothing is written in stone that Cooley has to come off even though that is logical.
It all depends on what other options we do have or want. J. Jones, Logan and Vanterpool seem to be the other choices.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 27, 2025, 08:52:33 PMI have no idea whether Oliveria will be available against the Stamps. Hopefully he will be a choice that could be made.
In theory that would mean Cooley will come off the roster. I could see him shifted to the 1 game IR. Not so much because he might get poached from the PR but IMO he's a keeper and he's earned that even though it's only been 2 games.
There might be a couple of players that went on 1 game IR last week that will be available + a couple of those that weren't actually injured.
I'd like to see Vanterpool back whether he starts or is a back up. While having an import OL not starting is unusual we don't have great depth on the OL.
Interestingly if Oliveria returns, nothing is written in stone that Cooley has to come off even though that is logical.
It all depends on what other options we do have or want. J. Jones, Logan and Vanterpool seem to be the other choices.
I think Logan is still injured but he may not get his job back from Vaval anytime soon. No reason to keep Cooley on the active roster if Brady returns, he'll spend much of this season on the PR paying his dues. He played well enough but not so well as to tempt any team from scooping him, a proven RB like Walter Fletcher is readily available for any team in need.
During the post-game "on-field experience" they carted that EDM guy who needed help off the field back to the EDM tunnel. Not our team, but may be useful info to someone. He must have been getting medical in the WPG side the whole time. Fans were giving him well wishes.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2025, 10:03:14 PMI think Logan is still injured but he may not get his job back from Vaval anytime soon. No reason to keep Cooley on the active roster if Brady returns, he'll spend much of this season on the PR paying his dues. He played well enough but not so well as to tempt any team from scooping him, a proven RB like Walter Fletcher is readily available for any team in need.
My point was that if we stay with 3 Canadian OL then we're back to 8 Canadian starters. That would allow us to add Logan to the AR without being a DI. In that sense he could be used on offence a few times and an alternative returner. He doesn't have to be the primary returner.
Now I don't know when he'll be healthy but also wonder why he wasn't put on the 6 game IR instead of the 1 game IR.
I'd make an argument having Vanterpool back on the AR due to how thin our OL depth is at the moment. The question is whether he should be starting instead of Wallace I don't know. Wallace seems to be playing well. Using a spot for and OL not starting is a questionable decision ( until you have an injury ).
Person and even Mitchell might be the other alternatives if Cooley comes off. We wouldn't keep him on once BO returns, in theory.
So it's a question of which direction a choice will be made before we know who is healthy and available once Oliveria returns and when.
Fitting in ratio versus most effective depth need and disregarding injury status: Vanterpool, Mitchell, Person, Logan and Cooley would be my ranking.
Note I'm not devaluing any of the choices but that's where I see the biggest needs depth wise. If Wheatfall is not 100% that might sway the decision but everything still depends on whether we get Oliveria back this week. Another short week so that isn't certain either.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 28, 2025, 01:29:19 PMMy point was that if we stay with 3 Canadian OL then we're back to 8 Canadian starters. That would allow us to add Logan to the AR without being a DI. In that sense he could be used on offence a few times and an alternative returner. He doesn't have to be the primary returner.
Now I don't know when he'll be healthy but also wonder why he wasn't put on the 6 game IR instead of the 1 game IR.
I'd make an argument having Vanterpool back on the AR due to how thin our OL depth is at the moment. The question is whether he should be starting instead of Wallace I don't know. Wallace seems to be playing well. Using a spot for and OL not starting is a questionable decision ( until you have an injury ).
Person and even Mitchell might be the other alternatives if Cooley comes off. We wouldn't keep him on once BO returns, in theory.
So it's a question of which direction a choice will be made before we know who is healthy and available once Oliveria returns and when.
Fitting in ratio versus most effective depth need and disregarding injury status: Vanterpool, Mitchell, Person, Logan and Cooley would be my ranking.
Note I'm not devaluing any of the choices but that's where I see the biggest needs depth wise. If Wheatfall is not 100% that might sway the decision but everything still depends on whether we get Oliveria back this week. Another short week so that isn't certain either.
They'd be dumb not to take advantage of the ratio flexibility starting Wallace provides, that advantage can be used in multiple positions on Defence. Playing an Import at OG is a crutch struggling teams rely on, if Vanterpool doesn't get a shot at OT he might have to wait for an injury to occur to get another game in.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 28, 2025, 05:21:06 PMThey'd be dumb not to take advantage of the ratio flexibility starting Wallace provides, that advantage can be used in multiple positions on Defence. Playing an Import at OG is a crutch struggling teams rely on, if Vanterpool doesn't get a shot at OT he might have to wait for an injury to occur to get another game in.
I'm not disagreeing, just pointing out we're considering possible depth issues. Eli is all we have on the roster at the moment. Some feel Vanterpool is a much better LG than Wallace. Depth is measured on risk to a need versus adding strength to where it's less of an issue.
Adding J. Jones might be useful but we're very deep at LB and can fill an in game injury easily. I cringe when I consider what we might have to do if Bryant or Randolph can't finish a game.
Anyway. We'll see who can play as a starting point when we get daily IR reports. I don't expect any sweeping changes.
Just to throw out something else: Leroux seems to be snapping well but is he as effective as Benson on coverage? IMO if Benson is healthy they make that change. Leroux is still improving and may be the starter in 2026. Our coverage teams have had some issues this year. It doesn't all fall on the LS but might be a factor?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 28, 2025, 05:59:46 PMI'm not disagreeing, just pointing out we're considering possible depth issues. Eli is all we have on the roster at the moment. Some feel Vanterpool is a much better LG than Wallace. Depth is measured on risk to a need versus adding strength to where it's less of an issue.
Adding J. Jones might be useful but we're very deep at LB and can fill an in game injury easily. I cringe when I consider what we might have to do if Bryant or Randolph can't finish a game.
Anyway. We'll see who can play as a starting point when we get daily IR reports. I don't expect any sweeping changes.
Just to throw out something else: Leroux seems to be snapping well but is he as effective as Benson on coverage? IMO if Benson is healthy they make that change. Leroux is still improving and may be the starter in 2026. Our coverage teams have had some issues this year. It doesn't all fall on the LS but might be a factor?
They could bring Vibert on if he's ready to be the 7th man but with MCI available they don't seem to be using that set very often. As it is, Neufeld, Reynolds, Vanterpool and Wallace have all have played OT in the past, so they should be able to adapt for in game injury.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 28, 2025, 06:28:45 PMThey could bring Vibert on if he's ready to be the 7th man but with MCI available they don't seem to be using that set very often. As it is, Neufeld, Reynolds, Vanterpool and Wallace have all have played OT in the past, so they should be able to adapt for in game injury.
Vanterpool isn't on the roster at the moment. I'm speaking with the current OL on the AR, an injury at OT means Neufeld moves to OT and ELI moves to RG. That leaves no other OL in reserve except an emergency DL like Thomas or Lawson becoming that player. Depth on the IR or PR is not the issue.
If we don't have an injury all is good. If we have an in game injury in Q1 that might be bad. So it's just a comment about depth and risk in game.
We don't know much about Vibert but he might still be an option to be a 7th OL, as the emergency guy. I'd take that to reduce my feeling about in game risk. I think he'd be a preferable emergency player than needing to use Thomas for example which also reduces rotation on the DL.
That would allow other options using the ratio advantage elsewhere.
Anyway let's see who might be available to dress this week and how it gives us options we didn't have against the Elks.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 28, 2025, 07:51:00 PMVanterpool isn't on the roster at the moment. I'm speaking with the current OL on the AR, an injury at OT means Neufeld moves to OT and ELI moves to RG. That leaves no other OL in reserve except an emergency DL like Thomas or Lawson becoming that player. Depth on the IR or PR is not the issue.
If we don't have an injury all is good. If we have an in game injury in Q1 that might be bad. So it's just a comment about depth and risk in game.
We don't know much about Vibert but he might still be an option to be a 7th OL, as the emergency guy. I'd take that to reduce my feeling about in game risk. I think he'd be a preferable emergency player than needing to use Thomas for example which also reduces rotation on the DL.
That would allow other options using the ratio advantage elsewhere.
Anyway let's see who might be available to dress this week and how it gives us options we didn't have against the Elks.
I would think eventually Kornelson comes off to be replaced by Woods and Vibert comes on but pretty hard to predict with so many Import pieces waiting to slot in.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 28, 2025, 01:29:19 PMI'd make an argument having Vanterpool back on the AR due to how thin our OL depth is at the moment.
The only way Vant gets back on the AR at the moment (with our Brady problem) is if he's far and away better at the run game than Wallace. They seemed about equal in pass pro, and equal means dress the NAT.
When Vant was in our run game was gangbusters, even with a backup RB. When Wallace was in our run game was basically neutered until garbage time, both games. However, some of that may be on teams getting film on Peterson, and Peterson clearly not being Brady 2.0.
Mafia will know if Vant has that extra run edge. My gut says that when Brady returns we go back to 3 IMP OL, and Wallace goes back to 6th. However, my thought, as always, is that the preferred lineup is Lofton/Randolph, not Vant/Randolph. But we won't know that until BOTH Brady and Lofton are healthy!
We've been fairly lucky so far aside from Oliveria getting injured. Some teams are losing key players and others every game. Hopefully that trend continues for us but it's a long season.
I think Adams is another QB that we can get into his head if he struggles early. Overall their current injuries are significant and I don't see any great solutions yet.
Just a guess but I think Wilson gets activated at MLB for this game. He may not start but he's been playing and is at game speed. Bighill's time in Calgary might be very short lived. I can't see him willing to sit on the PR for very long now that another MLB was added.