Game 1 and home opener for the 2025 season! Biggest take and concern is Chris Streveler will replace Zach Collaros as Zach sits out his suspension.
Bombers 2025 team will include the loss of Zach, plus a mix of Bomber and CFL veterans and rookies making this game hard to predict. What we can predict is 30,000+ crowd of Bomber fans that will make life difficult for the Lions.
Ed Tait's 24-Hour Primer discusses some of the newcomers as well as...
"FYI: The Blue Bombers held their final full practice Tuesday behind closed doors before Wednesday's walk-through. Of note, courtesy the daily injury report: right guard Pat Neufeld did not practice today after a collision with Chris Streveler late in Monday's session.
Should he not be able to go, Gabe Wallace or Tui Eli would likely be his replacement."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/06/10/48-hour-primer-game-1-vs-b-c-lions/
The latest injury report follows:
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More on the game, the depth chart tomorrow! Let's go Bombers!
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Oh oh
It is about friggin time!
Lets go Blue!
OL depleted from practising, oh joy. These guys are how old in Lofton and Neufeld? Sheesh
Rest of the roster seems pretty well in tact other than missing our starting QB.
With these 2 deficiencies it will be tough to get a win.
ST and D will need to be Golden. I know I will. ;)
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2025, 08:33:50 AMIt is about friggin time!
Lets go Blue!
OL depleted from practising, oh joy. These guys are how old in Lofton and Neufeld? Sheesh
Rest of the roster seems pretty well in tact other than missing our starting QB.
With these 2 deficiencies it will be tough to get a win.
ST and D will need to be Golden. I know I will. ;)
But unlike the receiving core injuries last year, we have some experienced back-ups ready to go. And everyone got lots of reps all over the place.
It's not ideal, but it's not last year's worst case scenario either.
I'm kind of excited to see how the OL performs to be honest. There will be a lot of running the ball so it's their time to show what they got!
Stanley-Vanterpool-CK-Eli/Wallace-Randolph
None of those guys are rookies. They are young but they all have at least some gametime experience!
price of pre-game beer up $1...was inevitable i guess.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 12:41:44 PMI'm kind of excited to see how the OL performs to be honest. There will be a lot of running the ball so it's their time to show what they got!
Stanley-Vanterpool-CK-Eli/Wallace-Randolph
None of those guys are rookies. They are young but they all have at least some gametime experience!
Agreed. It's not like we had the top offensive line in the league last year or something. I'm a bit worried about Wallace because I don't think he was going to start otherwise, and there were still some pretty big swings in his pre-season games but the best way to get better is to play and he has most of the tools. Especially if we're going to pound the ball, which is absolutely the plan I would imagine, they'll be fine.
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Well, I had my bi-annual fear of heights nightmare at the old stadium last night so I guess that means Blue Bomber football is near.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 11, 2025, 01:23:30 PMWell, I had my bi-annual fear of heights nightmare at the old stadium last night so I guess that means Blue Bomber football is near.
Have you ever gone up to the top corner of the current stadium?
Major vertigo.
Quote from: Jesse on June 11, 2025, 01:43:19 PMHave you ever gone up to the top corner of the current stadium?
Major vertigo.
I have, I hated it. Agreed.
Pounding the ball
Lions v Elks
"Betts wasn't alone, as the vaunted one-two punch of Rankin and Javon Leake that made Edmonton so dangerous down the stretch in 2024 combined for just 29 yards. The defence was gap-sound and physical, two things that have been a problem in recent years. "
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Ed Tait @EdTaitWFC
The @Wpg_BlueBombers depth chart for the season opener. Jonathan Jones, Peyton Logan, Dillon Mitchell, Tanner Schmekel, Fabian Weitz and Jamal Woods all on one-game injured. Jake Kelly, Eric Lofton and Enock Makonzo on six-game injured list.
First depth chart of the year, only 7 Nats starting (first time in a long time for that) and no DA specified (have we ever?)
Only 7 DL rostered for 4 spots (including Ayers as a DE?), and 9 LB rostered for 3 spots.
2 backup DB's including our returner, one backup WR.
Should be interesting.
Quote from: gobombersgo on June 11, 2025, 02:53:54 PMEd Tait @EdTaitWFC
The @Wpg_BlueBombers depth chart for the season opener. Jonathan Jones, Peyton Logan, Dillon Mitchell, Tanner Schmekel, Fabian Weitz and Jamal Woods all on one-game injured. Jake Kelly, Eric Lofton and Enock Makonzo on six-game injured list.
So, Mitchell is "being hidden" on the 1 game, I don't see Woods, Schmeckle or Weitz on the injury report, so I assume they are also mystery injuries? If Neufeld can't go, does Vibert get activated? OR do we bring in a Dline and cross our fingers and go with 6 OL and count on Thomas changing jersey's in emergency?
Quote from: markf on June 11, 2025, 02:36:53 PMPounding the ball
Lions v Elks
"Betts wasn't alone, as the vaunted one-two punch of Rankin and Javon Leake that made Edmonton so dangerous down the stretch in 2024 combined for just 29 yards. The defence was gap-sound and physical, two things that have been a problem in recent years. "
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good thing we have Brady O and not Leake. i think we need to really get a ground game going for this one.
Lofton to 6 game IR. I was worried about that with little info earlier. I wonder if he's done for most of the year or could come off earlier. We didn't keep any other import OL on the PR. Vibert is our only other current option.
Strange that they didn't put him on 6 game earlier as they did with others injured longer term. That would have allowed retaining one other player in TC.
Only concern for me is OL and corner. Rest is deep imo. LETS GO BOMBERS
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Not having Jones, Mitchell and Woods not on the roster is kind of crazy. All 3 of those guys are good enough to start for most teams.
I guess that Adams won the DT spot and Woods is being hidden. Due to ratio, we can't get him on the AR this week. It seems like we have actively made the decision to go with the 3 IMP OL. Which we've done in the past to shore things up. Zach needs security in front of him and let's just suffer whatever consequences we need to to make it happen.
We're essentially rolling with no depth at receiver, in the secondary, or at DE. Hard to believe we had no DE's on the roster other than our starters and know we're stinking Ayers there. Almost seems like a Chris Jones move, but I guess I like that we're finding ways to get guys we like on the roster.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 03:56:48 PMNot having Jones, Mitchell and Woods not on the roster is kind of crazy. All 3 of those guys are good enough to start for most teams.
Agreed. Especially Jones and Woods. But I imagine we're going to see a lot of all three of them over the course of the year, just not tomorrow.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 11, 2025, 03:30:03 PMSo, Mitchell is "being hidden" on the 1 game, I don't see Woods, Schmeckle or Weitz on the injury report, so I assume they are also mystery injuries? If Neufeld can't go, does Vibert get activated? OR do we bring in a Dline and cross our fingers and go with 6 OL and count on Thomas changing jersey's in emergency?
Needing Vibert or Thomas to step in due to emergency would be scary. The elephant in the room is how long might Neufeld be out if at all?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 04:01:35 PMNeeding Vibert or Thomas to step in due to emergency would be scary. The elephant in the room is how long might Neufeld be out if at all?
He's a GTD, so it seems like he wont miss any time or perhaps a game. Long term, his health might be becoming an issue though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 04:01:35 PMNeeding Vibert or Thomas to step in due to emergency would be scary. The elephant in the room is how long might Neufeld be out if at all?
I was disappointed in Paddy last season, and I think Wallace in place of Paddy is very close to a wash. Might as well get the young guy some reps. Vibert as a 7th OL is fine, but agreed that if he has to plug into a guard slot we'd be in trouble.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 03:56:48 PMNot having Jones, Mitchell and Woods not on the roster is kind of crazy. All 3 of those guys are good enough to start for most teams.
It's ratio math. Every team faces similar issues.
Quote from: Jesse on June 11, 2025, 04:04:21 PMHe's a GTD, so it seems like he wont miss any time or perhaps a game. Long term, his health might be becoming an issue though.
That's a reasonable assumption but teams play games making declarations. Noting that nothing was said about Lofton and now he's on 6 game IR. We might be negotiating a trade for an OL and don't want that info out early.
maybe we see 3 / 4 defence to confuse Buck (who will know our defence from last season very well)
Those three guys that didn't make the roster are good to great. Amazing depth we have.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 11, 2025, 04:09:35 PMmaybe we see 3 / 4 defence to confuse Buck (who will know our defence from last season very well)
100% we will see it at times, our LBs might step up and limit Rourke. That said can only do that so much. He will find ways.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 04:08:02 PMThat's a reasonable assumption but teams play games making declarations. Noting that nothing was said about Lofton and now he's on 6 game IR. We might be negotiating a trade for an OL and don't want that info out early.
Sure, but Lofton was out all of training camp and Neufeld just tweaked something the other day. I'm not going to pretend that teams don't play games like that, but I think that's a very low percentage possibility.
Who saw Ayers getting listed as a DE? Who knows, but will be fun to watch where he actually lined up and plays!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 04:17:27 PMWho says Ayers getting listed as a DE? Who knows, but will be fun to watch where he actually lined up and plays!
That's where he shows on the depth char on page 1t. We know that doesn't mean much aside that he's on the AR. I'm glad we found a way to do that but disappointed we couldn't keep J. Jones as well. Again needing a 3rd import OL meant losing one import on defence.
We'll see some 34 defences and in that sense he could be a rusher / DE type.
I think I mentioned during free agency or early TC that we should be on the hunt for another Canadian OL.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 04:17:27 PMWho says Ayers getting listed as a DE? Who knows, but will be fun to watch where he actually lined up and plays!
Yeah just a place holder maybe, as per game day roster
He will see the field just a matter or when and where! Maybe on 3-4 sets.
I think against the Lions we wanted faster more mobile players to play outside contain than inside contain. Hence a player like Ayers over an interior player like Woods as a choice. Griffin as well could fill that in a 34 defence as well.
When we play a team with a stronger interior run game, we may see a roster change.
Overall, I also think we'll see some changes every now and then in order to keep all the choices fresh and reflect the opponent to some degree.
I think we all agree that having a larger roster would be a great idea, but ratio plays a part in that discussion. Many of the players going to 1 game IR are healthy scratches and being paid in full. No problem with that but roster size / ratio means we pay players not to play.
That's unfortunate but we understand the domino effect. Bigger roster with more Americans mean less reps for Canadians also being developed.
I'm still wondering what's happening with the revenue sharing money. Adding it to SMS for the season isn't really revenue sharing per se. It means we'll see more players being carried on 1 game IR as a form of expanded roster. At least more than in previous seasons.
Anyway. I expect all the players on the 1 game IR will be shuffled onto the game day roster as some point. It won't be directly due to injuries or performance of those on the AR. In some cases perhaps, but largely as roster rotation for fresh legs etc.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 04:22:08 PMThat's where he shows on the depth char on page 1t. We know that doesn't mean much aside that he's on the AR. I'm glad we found a way to do that but disappointed we couldn't keep J. Jones as well. Again needing a 3rd import OL meant losing one import on defence.
We'll see some 34 defences and in that sense he could be a rusher / DE type.
I think I mentioned during free agency or early TC that we should be on the hunt for another Canadian OL.
Yep, sorry - I meant who saw that coming. That's likely the plan - he could be an interesting player there. He's a bit light but as a second down defensive end in passing situations he could be great. Don't recall him lining up there last year at all so it's a blank slate. Also makes sense why he survived the linebacker cut downs because he's pretty clearly not near the top of the new charts there
Game 1: Lions (1-0) at Blue Bombers (0-0)
Kickoff: Thursday, June 12th, 7:30 p.m. CDT; Princess Auto Stadium, Winnipeg
TV/Streaming: TSN 1/3/4; RDS; CBS SportsNetwork; CFL+
Radio: 680 CJOB (pre-game begins at 5:30 p.m.); Play-by-play: Derek Taylor/analyst: Doug Brown; Sirius XM (ch. 167)
Scene Setter
They impatiently gritted their teeth, sat back and watched as the rest of the Canadian Football League got to work last week while they had a bye.
And then — pure speculation here — they undoubtedly scrolled past all of those posts from the Toronto Argonauts just a few days ago celebrating the unveiling of their 2024 Grey Cup bling.
So let it be said that as much as there is the usual giddy excitement as the curtain goes up on the start of another Winnipeg Blue Bombers season for Thursday night's home opener against the B.C. Lions, the constant reminders of what happened at the end of '24 — and '23 and '22 — are inescapable.
Yes, to borrow an old phrase here, all those Blue Bombers who have been a part of this recent Grey Cup run that features five straight appearances, two championships but three straight losses enter 2025 carrying so much emotional baggage they need their own bell hops.
And that means for that crew all those same expectations and pressures remain for a club still very much a championship contender......
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/06/11/game-preview-home-opener-blue-bombers-vs-lions/
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 05:07:00 PMYep, sorry - I meant who saw that coming. That's likely the plan - he could be an interesting player there. He's a bit light but as a second down defensive end in passing situations he could be great. Don't recall him lining up there last year at all so it's a blank slate. Also makes sense why he survived the linebacker cut downs because he's pretty clearly not near the top of the new charts there
If he can fill in on DE and / LB could be a good depth player to keep around
Has promise
Excited to get reports on how he does
Sometimes hard to catch the rotational players impacts
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 05:07:00 PMYep, sorry - I meant who saw that coming. That's likely the plan - he could be an interesting player there. He's a bit light but as a second down defensive end in passing situations he could be great. Don't recall him lining up there last year at all so it's a blank slate. Also makes sense why he survived the linebacker cut downs because he's pretty clearly not near the top of the new charts there
I don't know that's really a surprise. We saw all our LB's doing stuff like that in 2024 when we went to a 3 DL front. Wilson was pretty good off the edge. Hard to tell whether he lined up like a DE or did that from his LB spot.
Perhaps it's a bit of a surprise they choose Ayers over J. Jones but maybe he's faster and a bit more mobile. I thought J. Jones would line up more at WIL and MLB. So maybe that was the deciding factor? Our LB's are good and I like Ayers. OTOH Woodbey looked good in pre-season too. Our Canadian draft choices got lots of playing time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 05:52:33 PMI don't know that's really a surprise. We saw all our LB's doing stuff like that in 2024 when we went to a 3 DL front. Wilson was pretty good off the edge. Hard to tell whether he lined up like a DE or did that from his LB spot.
Perhaps it's a bit of a surprise they choose Ayers over J. Jones but maybe he's faster and a bit more mobile. I thought J. Jones would line up more at WIL and MLB. So maybe that was the deciding factor? Our LB's are good and I like Ayers. OTOH Woodbey looked good in pre-season too. Our Canadian draft choices got lots of playing time.
Ayers is currently filling the same role as Cole did, Swiss Army Knife.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 04:01:35 PMNeeding Vibert or Thomas to step in due to emergency would be scary. The elephant in the room is how long might Neufeld be out if at all?
Eli before Vibert or Jake.
Quote from: Jesse on June 11, 2025, 04:13:07 PMSure, but Lofton was out all of training camp and Neufeld just tweaked something the other day. I'm not going to pretend that teams don't play games like that, but I think that's a very low percentage possibility.
Apparently Neuf collided with Brady at practice yesterday and came up lame.
Not too big a fan of the pass rush we are putting out there, seems like this defense is going to rely on good coverage. Hopefully it works.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 11, 2025, 06:29:24 PMAyers is currently filling the same role as Cole did, Swiss Army Knife.
Ayers might be tasked to contain Rourke.
If Suitor is doing the game we'll hear him calling Ayers the spy about 50 times.
Winnipeg Blue Bombers scratch Dillon Mitchell for season-opener against B.C. Lions
By 3Down Staff -June 11, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have set their roster for Thursday's matchup against the B.C. Lions and it doesn't include veteran receiver Dillon Mitchell.
The 28-year-old, who caught 130 passes for 1,896 yards and 12 touchdowns over three seasons in Edmonton, has been moved to the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch. Keric Wheatfall, who caught two touchdown passes during the preseason, will start at boundary wide receiver as part of a receiving corps that also includes Dalton Schoen, Nic Demski, Jerreth Sterns, and Kevens Clercius.
Two-time CFL M.O.P. quarterback Zach Collaros will not play against the Lions due to a one-game suspension he received just prior to training camp, leaving Chris Streveler in the No. 1 role. The 30-year-old, who went 1-0 as a starter in 2024, will be backed up under centre by second-year passer Terry Wilson and rookie Chase Artopoeus.
Veteran offensive lineman Patrick Neufeld has been listed as a game-time decision at right guard, while Kendall Randolph will start at right tackle in place of an injured Eric Lofton. Micah Vanterpool will start at left guard, giving the Blue Bombers three American starters along the offensive line.
On the defensive line, Devin Adams will start at defensive tackle alongside Jake Thomas. Jamal Woods, who started 14 games last year, has been placed on the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch. The starting defensive ends will be veterans Willie Jefferson and James Vaughters.
Winnipeg's starting linebackers have remained the same from last year, though top CFL draft picks Connor Shay and Jaylen Smith were added to improve the unit's depth.
Jamal Parker will start at safety, a spot that was vacated by veteran Brandon Alexander, while Marquise Bridges has won the starting job at field-side cornerback. Trey Vaval, his backup, will handle return duties.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (0-0) will host the B.C. Lions (1-0) at Princess Auto Stadium on Thursday, June 12 with kickoff slated for 8:30 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/11/winnipeg-blue-bombers-scratch-dillon-mitchell-for-season-opener-against-b-c-lions/
I would say 6 DLs, and a LB playing DE. I know we have to find a spot for Ayer's as he was our top ST play last season. But I really don't like is the 9 LBs and with Ayers it's actually 10. Do we really need 10 LBs.
Neufled out on the field today, apparently dancing around.
B.C. Lions make two roster changes ahead of matchup with Winnipeg Blue Bombers
By 3Down Staff -June 11, 2025
The B.C. Lions have kept their roster relatively consistent for Thursday night's game against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
All 24 starters are being carried over from last week when the Lions knocked off the visiting Edmonton Elks by a score of 31-14. Nathan Rourke threw for 324 yards and three touchdowns in the win, two of which went to second-year receiver Stanley Berryhill III.
Canadian offensive lineman Tyler Packer is dressing in a depth role after missing the season-opener due to a shoulder injury, while American linebacker Devin Richardson has been promoted from the practice roster. B.C. will once again start four American offensive linemen, only this time there will be two Canadian backups.
American linebacker Jeremy Lewis has come off the roster, as has Canadian linebacker Deshawn Stevens. Neither player practiced this week due to injury and both have been moved to the one-game injured list.
Players who remain out for the Lions include Canadian linebacker Adam Auclair (shoulder), Canadian offensive lineman David Foucault (leg), and American linebacker Josh Woods (knee). Auclair and Woods are on the one-game injured list, while Foucault is on the six-game injured list.
The Lions went 1-2 against Winnipeg in 2024, splitting the two meetings at Princess Auto Stadium.
The B.C. Lions (1-0) will visit the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (0-0) on Thursday, June 12 with kickoff slated for 8:30 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/11/b-c-lions-make-two-roster-changes-ahead-of-matchup-with-winnipeg-blue-bombers/
BC still starting 4 IMP OL shows that they are in roster/ratio hades. With only Focault (NAT) on IR, that means they planned for 3 IMP all along. I guess Rourke gives them 1 "freebie".
Now we see why they paid so much for Rourke & Betts... they needed to in order to maintain the ratio.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 11, 2025, 07:41:30 PMBut I really don't like is the 9 LBs and with Ayers it's actually 10. Do we really need 10 LBs.
We always dress a ton of LBers. Sometimes we dress like 6 WILLs alone. At least it's more balanced now. And we're doing 1-2 less FS than usual.
It's nice that we get a backup DB for "free" as he's our returner. Bonus.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 04:22:08 PMI think I mentioned during free agency or early TC that we should be on the hunt for another Canadian OL.
We don't buy NAT OL in FA. We sell.
That said, Rice is still out there, as is Chungh I think? Rice would be cheap(ish) and is like an Eli. Chungh will probably want Desjar money.
Quote from: Jesse on June 11, 2025, 03:59:28 PMIt seems like we have actively made the decision to go with the 3 IMP OL. Which we've done in the past to shore things up.
Not necessarily. We still don't have the "real" answer to the OL riddle because the Neuf GTD and Lofton injury take away what I feel is our best OL lineup. Lofton out forcing Randolph to OT doesn't tell us whether Vanterpool is the desired LG or just filling in for Randolph.
Neuf maybe being injured doesn't tell us whether Wallace would have been that LG instead.
The only answer we got this week is Mafia is
willing to use 3 IMP OL. They don't have to, as Eli or Wallace (if not at RG)
could take that LG spot... However, I feel a bit of a "told ya so" coming on, as 3 IMP OL game 1 proves that Mafia considered it a good option all FA/TC. The
definitive toldyaso will have to wait for a fully healthy Neuf and Lofton.
Quote from: Jesse on June 11, 2025, 03:59:28 PMWe're essentially rolling with no depth at receiver, in the secondary, or at DE.
I love the idea of Corcoran as backup REC. NAT to help the ratio, and looked like dynamite in PS. We rarely need the backup REC anyhow.
1 backup DB, 1 backup FS, with 1+ bacukp SAM is all pretty normal for us.
Quote from: markf on June 11, 2025, 02:36:53 PM"Betts wasn't alone, as the vaunted one-two punch of Rankin and Javon Leake that made Edmonton so dangerous down the stretch in 2024 combined for just 29 yards.
Ya, but no Brown. And EDM didn't make any effort to run the ball. They didn't even do the "try but quit after sucking" thing. They barely tried. It simply wasn't part of the game plan.
That's why EDM got 29 yards.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 11, 2025, 09:47:21 PMYa, but no Brown. And EDM didn't make any effort to run the ball. They didn't even do the "try but quit after sucking" thing. They barely tried. It simply wasn't part of the game plan.
That's why EDM got 29 yards.
Elks are suffering from Maksymicitis.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 11, 2025, 09:35:52 PMNot necessarily. We still don't have the "real" answer to the OL riddle because the Neuf GTD and Lofton injury take away what I feel is our best OL lineup. Lofton out forcing Randolph to OT doesn't tell us whether Vanterpool is the desired LG or just filling in for Randolph.
Neuf maybe being injured doesn't tell us whether Wallace would have been that LG instead.
The only answer we got this week is Mafia is willing to use 3 IMP OL. They don't have to, as Eli or Wallace (if not at RG) could take that LG spot... However, I feel a bit of a "told ya so" coming on, as 3 IMP OL game 1 proves that Mafia considered it a good option all FA/TC. The definitive toldyaso will have to wait for a fully healthy Neuf and Lofton.
I love the idea of Corcoran as backup REC. NAT to help the ratio, and looked like dynamite in PS. We rarely need the backup REC anyhow.
1 backup DB, 1 backup FS, with 1+ bacukp SAM is all pretty normal for us.
None of the current injuries affect what the ratio would have been, imo.
Randolph in for Lofton is a straight import swap.
If they were going to have Randolph at LG, it's still an extra IMP.
If Wallace had won the LG spot, he'd be playing as LG.
Corcoran would be fine as a back-up, but not as the only back-up. This is how we ended up with Strev running routes last year. The reason we signed all of these CFL vets at receiver was to not put ourselves in this position.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 11, 2025, 09:35:52 PMNot necessarily. We still don't have the "real" answer to the OL riddle because the Neuf GTD and Lofton injury take away what I feel is our best OL lineup. Lofton out forcing Randolph to OT doesn't tell us whether Vanterpool is the desired LG or just filling in for Randolph.
Neuf maybe being injured doesn't tell us whether Wallace would have been that LG instead.
The only answer we got this week is Mafia is willing to use 3 IMP OL. They don't have to, as Eli or Wallace (if not at RG) could take that LG spot... However, I feel a bit of a "told ya so" coming on, as 3 IMP OL game 1 proves that Mafia considered it a good option all FA/TC. The definitive toldyaso will have to wait for a fully healthy Neuf and Lofton.
I love the idea of Corcoran as backup REC. NAT to help the ratio, and looked like dynamite in PS. We rarely need the backup REC anyhow.
1 backup DB, 1 backup FS, with 1+ bacukp SAM is all pretty normal for us.
I really like Corcoran as well
Quote from: Jesse on June 12, 2025, 02:25:19 AMCorcoran would be fine as a back-up, but not as the only back-up. This is how we ended up with Strev running routes last year. The reason we signed all of these CFL vets at receiver was to not put ourselves in this position.
Chris-Ike and Peterson can also step in if there's a REC injury. None are ideal, unless Corcoran is like the next Pokey. (I thought he looked a bit Dressler-esque, or even Cahoon-like, but smaller/skinnier.)
If there's 1, maybe 2, games a year a REC gets injured, I'm fine with rolling handicapped for a Q or 2. Most teams have a 5th NAT placeholder REC
starting that they
completely ignore, so this is still better than that.
The reason we don't have an extra IMP as backup REC is because we're using the DI K/P-returner on Vaval. So there's no way around it without going 2 IMP OL or sacrificing someone like Griffin or the already-tight DL.
I think we'll be fine.
Is Willie starting on the strong side a bit different? This is looking more like when Jeffcoat was in the mix.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 12, 2025, 05:26:25 AMChris-Ike and Peterson can also step in if there's a REC injury. None are ideal, unless Corcoran is like the next Pokey. (I thought he looked a bit Dressler-esque, or even Cahoon-like, but smaller/skinnier.)
If there's 1, maybe 2, games a year a REC gets injured, I'm fine with rolling handicapped for a Q or 2. Most teams have a 5th NAT placeholder REC starting that they completely ignore, so this is still better than that.
The reason we don't have an extra IMP as backup REC is because we're using the DI K/P-returner on Vaval. So there's no way around it without going 2 IMP OL or sacrificing someone like Griffin or the already-tight DL.
I think we'll be fine.
It was really nice having Ford in the secondary.
Quote from: Jesse on June 12, 2025, 11:06:59 AMIt was really nice having Ford in the secondary.
biggest loss of the season...and no i didn't forget about Kenny
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 12, 2025, 05:26:25 AMChris-Ike and Peterson can also step in if there's a REC injury. None are ideal, unless Corcoran is like the next Pokey. (I thought he looked a bit Dressler-esque, or even Cahoon-like, but smaller/skinnier.)
If there's 1, maybe 2, games a year a REC gets injured, I'm fine with rolling handicapped for a Q or 2. Most teams have a 5th NAT placeholder REC starting that they completely ignore, so this is still better than that.
The reason we don't have an extra IMP as backup REC is because we're using the DI K/P-returner on Vaval. So there's no way around it without going 2 IMP OL or sacrificing someone like Griffin or the already-tight DL.
I think we'll be fine.
Agree all, having depth in other areas more critical
Well, here we are super fans.
Game day is finally upon us for the 2025 Blue Bombers season!!
Can't wait for tonight. To get a victory we need to have all cylinders, clicking, missing or starting quarterback and a couple lineman.
I hope to see an improvement on kick coverage and punt/kick returns!
Excited to finally see Brady do his thing!
Also, I'm quite eager to see what Younger can bring to the table in his second year as DC.
Here we go Bombers Here we go...
I thought our kick coverage was very good last season. Did we give a return TD?? Logan injured all TC is a disappointment. Had high hopes for him and our return game.
Quote from: Jesse on June 12, 2025, 02:25:19 AMNone of the current injuries affect what the ratio would have been, imo.
Randolph in for Lofton is a straight import swap.
If they were going to have Randolph at LG, it's still an extra IMP.
If Wallace had won the LG spot, he'd be playing as LG.
Corcoran would be fine as a back-up, but not as the only back-up. This is how we ended up with Strev running routes last year. The reason we signed all of these CFL vets at receiver was to not put ourselves in this position.
Probably but if Makonzo and Kelly were healthy they may have pushed around the Canadian depth at LB towards DB's. Kelly might have even had a chance to push towards a starters role at safety. While he might not have been the best choice, it was a choice that could have allowed another DL option.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 12, 2025, 03:39:37 PMProbably but if Makonzo and Kelly were healthy they may have pushed around the Canadian depth at LB towards DB's. Kelly might have even had a chance to push towards a starters role at safety. While he might not have been the best choice, it was a choice that could have allowed another DL option.
Haggerty and Cobb as well, I'm sure they didn't sign those guys to sit on the PR, good chance Smith and Shay get moved to the PR to pay their dues.
Kelly is starting to fall into the same category as Noah Hallett. Injured a lot.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 12, 2025, 04:07:33 PMHaggerty and Cobb as well, I'm sure they didn't sign those guys to sit on the PR, good chance Smith and Shay get moved to the PR to pay their dues.
I would have expected Novak to be the one to move to PR. The other two I expected to stay on the AR. It might have meant Gauthier or Cadwallader might have been bumped to 1 game IR.
It's all just a guess due to the injuries to those players. We'll see what happens if and when they are healthy. Kelly might be done longer than 6 weeks and Hagerty might be available for game 2. I don't think we know the extent of any of those currently injured.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 12, 2025, 04:50:22 PMI would have expected Novak to be the one to move to PR. The other two I expected to stay on the AR. It might have meant Gauthier or Cadwallader might have been bumped to 1 game IR.
It's all just a guess due to the injuries to those players. We'll see what happens if and when they are healthy. Kelly might be done longer than 6 weeks and Hagerty might be available for game 2. I don't think we know the extent of any of those currently injured.
Right about Novak, but can't touch Cadwallader or Gauthier, not going to bump the leaders of ST for rookies, that would cause a revolt.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 12, 2025, 05:45:05 PMRight about Novak, but can't touch Cadwallader or Gauthier, not going to bump the leaders of ST for rookies, that would cause a revolt.
IDK. You have to make space for high draft choices that will be doing the same thing. Those 2 could be fighting for starting or significantly more reps by 2026. You can't say that about Gauthier or Cadwallader.
Roster size means choices have to be made. We made a tough decision on Woli for similar reasons I'm suggesting at LB.
Did that cause a revolt?
The mix of players on ST's changes every season. It changes as when and if there are injuries.
At this point I don't even know how often or how Shay or Smith will be used. I'm pretty sure they won't be sitting on the bench all game. Whether that happens in game 1 or week to week we'll see who that takes off some ST work.
Officially sold out tonight!
Great night for football. Nice temps, and the air quality is not to bad.
We didn't play last week so didn't incur new injuries. We've had longer to rest and to prepare. It's a home game and the Lions are on the road. 30,000+ loud fans will cause the Lions to make at least a couple of mistakes.
No excuses tonight. Come out ready and take over the game.
GO BOMBERS.
Brady playing like someone pissed in his Cheerios.....
brady to the locker room. bombers look lost
I went out to get some wine, they scored.
started watching.... penalty.
should I go out for more?
Nice pick!
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 12:53:20 AMbrady to the locker room. bombers look lost
Oh ****, really?
After such a good start.
very good pressure from the D so far.
streveler maybe needs to calm down a bit
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 12:55:17 AMI went out to get some wine, they scored.
started watching.... penalty.
should I go out for more?
Can anyone explain what happened on those penalties? They didn't announce them in stadium.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 01:01:25 AMCan anyone explain what happened on those penalties? They didn't announce them in stadium.
wheatfall , no clericius, I think clipped a bc player.. some kind of block from behind
lose ford
no problem..
strev can be so bad...
Aside from penalties and 1 busted play, Bomber's D looks for real....
Peterson looking decent at RB.
rourke is one for six for six yards?
time for terry wilson
one pick dropped and now strev throws it right to him
he is not a qb
Oof. Clearly PI on Demski. Defender had his right hand pushing down in Demski's left shoulder, pushing him down as he tried to jump
Upper body issue for Oliveira.
we are really in a tough spot with no BO
Prob worst case scenario
offense operating at a good clip so far
dominate o line
Yup. Peterson is for real.
Awesome drive!
Nice run.
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 01:15:26 AMrourke is one for six for six yards?
One for nine for six yards.
lol younger, known for not blitzing, blitzes.
d line is very solid wow.
hit Rourke again he hates it
I can see now why O'Shea said he likes the team. They're looking pretty good.
is 93 vaughters?
just bulldozed the tackle and grabbed Rourke
Oliveira out for remainder of game. Upper body.
Brady will not be back. I hope it's not too serious. Peterson playing well and looks very fast.
darn - that is going to give bc hope
I hate that they got that TD. We absolutely shut them out the whole half.
That late drive for BC will give them a boost. Not sure what Bonds was doing there. That was way too easy. Would have been nice to hold them to a FG there.
It looks like BC thinks they can exploit Bonds.
DS83 putting together a nice game. And Strev making a few nice tosses on that drive.
O line is solid
the play to dalton to their thirty yard line completely fooled their D
they had ike blocking on td pass I think their Db were covering nobody
strev relaxing a bit
td drive started on the 2. very cool.
Atta boy, Strev! Very nice drive.
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 02:25:52 AMO line is solid
the play to dalton to their thirty yard line completely fooled their D
Me too, I was totally looking at the wrong side.
streveler has an odd release...almost short arm like
bad luck, parker falls down and boom td
this returner - he has the "it" factor. no hesitation and fast
Our secondary is getting torched!
rourke is comfortable now - not good
Major holding by BC going uncalled.
bad penalty by demski
I think the refs are calling less penalties so far this season, they were ruining games last season.
You gotta love the passion from Streveler. What a beauty!
Strev out there throwing like Zach...
nice touch on that td pass
bc expecting a run up the gut....
fooled them.
so far our new play caller is doing well from what I can see
Chris-Ike with a nice FF. Also, WT heck Castillo?
4 points left off the scoreboard by castillo
yeah bc is holding a lot
Vaval with real nice returns, rookie RB having a nice game, our front line terrific, Strev, Wheat, and our defensive players ....... Terrific
2nd down play calling is terrible at times. should have run the ball again
strev ready to trample somebody
could have killed 14 more seconds on that punt
wow. masoli missed hatcher - would have been a 7 point game
Tony Jones making himself known tonight.
that was a heckuva tackle jones made on butler, who is not easy to bring down
Digging Streveller's mullet. Maybe that's the key to his arm? Now we need Osh to bring back the torn cap...
buck pierce didn't trust strev to pass
strev throws three beauty td passes against buck.
nice.
Streveler: Improved as the game progressed. A pretty good outing and not many mistakes once he got comfortable.
Peterson: He's a keeper. Outstanding game against a very good defence.
Vaval: He seems fearless, has some good speed and runs north and south quickly.
Bridges: 2 int's and played very well. Only a couple of mistakes against a top QB.
Generally a very disciplined game with few penalties of consequence. We came to play.
Defence: I think that deserves an " A " for tonight. IMO they will continue to improve as they play together.
I'm just guessing but I think Oliveria was taken out for concussion protocol. He was on the field for the Demski TD then taken out while looking a little groggy IMO. He should be back necx week. If not, the Lions couldn't stop Peterson and we'll throw in a few new wrinkles.
We gave up a few more points and yardage then I would have liked. The opponents made some good plays and we had close coverage. Parker bumped himself out of making a play. It happens. But he was in the right spot.
Won TOP tonight which is always a good thing.
We probably will be ranked # 1 after tonight after everyone expected us to lose without Collaros.
Losing BO20 early could have been a big blow.
Wheatfall 127 yards.
Peterson 130 yards.
Jones 10 DTs
Griffin 4 DTs
Ayers 3 STs.
D with lots of pressure all night. Bonds, Bridges, and Parker all with breakdown.
Strev17. 15/24 246 3 TDs, 1 Int.
OL was very good most of the night.
Peterson is a missile.
Man that was a fun game.
D line looked really good I thought. Lots of things to like.
Not sure why MOS didn't go for the FG in the last minute of the game.
Wow, that was a fantastic performance, didn't expect them to play that well on all 3 sides of the ball. It's going to be a great season.
Did not see Ayers on D even once, Griffin was all over the field on D. Ayers made his mark on ST as the gunner.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 13, 2025, 03:59:13 AMNot sure why MOS didn't go for the FG in the last minute of the game.
Worried about a long return on a miss?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2025, 03:59:37 AMWow, that was a fantastic performance, didn't expect them to play that well on all 3 sides of the ball. It's going to be a great season.
Did not see Ayers on D even once, Griffin was all over the field on ST. Ayers made his mark on ST as the gunner.
Griffin had a good game on D also. Made some big plays.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 13, 2025, 03:59:13 AMNot sure why MOS didn't go for the FG in the last minute of the game.
agreed - point differential could be important unless i don't know the tie breaker rules
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 04:19:01 AMagreed - point differential could be important unless i don't know the tie breaker rules
It is.
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 04:06:35 AMWorried about a long return on a miss?
That was my impression.
FG attempts were not the same after the long snapper went out.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 04:40:22 AMThat was my impression.
FG attempts were not the same after the long snapper went out.
Benson went out?
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 04:51:31 AMYup. I think Gauthier was snapping.
Ok that makes sense, saw Sergio patting him on the helmet for some reason.
I thought Hogan's Heroes were terrific tonight. I thought the play calling kept the BC defense off-balance all night and putting up 34 for a new OC's first game is impressive.
Hopefully Leroux has not signed with anyone. He had a very good TC.
Leroux has not and depending on the injury he's probably got a voicemail waiting for him already.
Matthew Peterson, Chris Streveler step up as Bombers beat Lions
.....Chris Streveler filled in for Bombers veteran pivot Zach Collaros, who is serving a one-game suspension. Streveler – Winnipeg's short-yardage maestro in 2024, leading the CFL in rushing touchdowns (10) – completed 15 of his 24 passes for 246 yards, three touchdowns and an interception.
The Bombers only got a drive out of reigning Most Outstanding Player and Canadian Brady Oliveira before he was ruled out with an upper-body injury. Without Collaros and Oliveira, rookie back Matthew Peterson had big shoes to fill and met the challenge head-on, rushing for 130 yards on 23 totes and a touchdown. His 130-yard emergence is the most by any CFL back this season.
Nic Demski was the recipient of two touchdowns, the Canadian reeling in four of his five targets for 53 yards. Keric Wheatfall also stood out in the high-flying passing attack, racking up 127 yards and a touchdown on five receptions.
Marquise Bridges made the big plays for Winnipeg on defence, grabbing two interceptions.....
https://www.cfl.ca/2025/06/12/bombers-back-ups-come-up-big-in-season-opening-win-over-lions/
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 13, 2025, 05:34:43 AMMatthew Peterson, Chris Streveler step up as Bombers beat Lions
.....Chris Streveler filled in for Bombers veteran pivot Zach Collaros, who is serving a one-game suspension. Streveler – Winnipeg's short-yardage maestro in 2024, leading the CFL in rushing touchdowns (10) – completed 15 of his 24 passes for 246 yards, three touchdowns and an interception.
The Bombers only got a drive out of reigning Most Outstanding Player and Canadian Brady Oliveira before he was ruled out with an upper-body injury. Without Collaros and Oliveira, rookie back Matthew Peterson had big shoes to fill and met the challenge head-on, rushing for 130 yards on 23 totes and a touchdown. His 130-yard emergence is the most by any CFL back this season.
Nic Demski was the recipient of two touchdowns, the Canadian reeling in four of his five targets for 53 yards. Keric Wheatfall also stood out in the high-flying passing attack, racking up 127 yards and a touchdown on five receptions.
Marquise Bridges made the big plays for Winnipeg on defence, grabbing two interceptions.....
https://www.cfl.ca/2025/06/12/bombers-back-ups-come-up-big-in-season-opening-win-over-lions/
One error in that article - Peterson was drafted in the 4th round in 2024, not "this year". He went back to U of A so it looks like he never actually played for Hamilton.
Glad they decided to not go with him, looking pretty good in blue today!
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 13, 2025, 06:27:01 AMOne error in that article - Peterson was drafted in the 4th round in 2024, not "this year". He went back to U of A so it looks like he never actually played for Hamilton.
Glad they decided to not go with him, looking pretty good in blue today!
Did any of their former Bombers look as good as the guy they discarded? lol.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 06:29:32 AMDid any of their former Bombers look as good as the guy they discarded? lol.
I don't think so - great point!
D-line looked fantastic, Jake played well and Lawson is awsonme. Did anyone see if Adams was injured? Didn't notice him in the 4th Q, maybe he was bagged.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2025, 06:40:16 AMD-line looked fantastic, Jake played well and Lawson is awsonme. Did anyone see if Adams was injured? Didn't notice him in the 4th Q, maybe he was bagged.
No, he was on the field in the 4th quarter.
Really solid win last night.
Streveler looking like a composed pocket passer was not something I expected; he had a very good game.
Peterson cracking a hundo and scoring a major was surprising as it was impressive.
Wheatfall went off! What a performance.
Outside of a few hiccups in the secondary, the defense had a great night.
Vaval looks like a solid addition on ST.
Go Blue!
Anyone know what injury Benson sustained or when? I didn't notice it on TV. He's a tough hombre so hopefully he'll be ok.
Coverage in the secondary was very good with only a couple of close calls that didn't go our way.
Vaval performed very well. It means we don't have to rush Logan back although we don't actually know when he might be available.
Some great new additions.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 01:31:44 PMAnyone know what injury Benson sustained or when? I didn't notice it on TV. He's a tough hombre so hopefully he'll be ok.
Coverage in the secondary was very good with only a couple of close calls that didn't go our way.
Vaval performed very well. It means we don't have to rush Logan back although we don't actually know when he might be available.
Some great new additions.
Might have to call Ian Leroux back depending on the extent of Benson's injury, if it's short term Gauthier or Novak can probably handle it.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 01:31:44 PMAnyone know what injury Benson sustained or when? I didn't notice it on TV. He's a tough hombre so hopefully he'll be ok.
Coverage in the secondary was very good with only a couple of close calls that didn't go our way.
Vaval performed very well. It means we don't have to rush Logan back although we don't actually know when he might be available.
Some great new additions.
If Logan lets Vaval get a few more games, I'm not sure Logan makes it back to the roster... its been a minute since we had a DB returner, and while our WR returners did get spot duty, although rarely effectively, having an additional DB never hurts.
Can Walters get a 4th rounder or neg list player for Logan once he's healthy?
With all the accolades draped on CS17's performance last night, I think the real star of this game was Jordan Younger.
Making Rourke start the game 1 of 10 for 6 yards was incredible. The D was dialed up and dialed in. The game plan everyone wished for was to get to Rourke early and often, and rattle him.
JY did that. Rourke was constantly under pressure, and how he avoided taking half a dozen sacks, I guess that's why he's getting paid that much.
But there is no doubting that JY had his boys on lock, getting to Rourke, and making him throw the ball away far too often.
Even after he started to get into a rhythm, the D was getting to him. 12/27 after going 1/10 means he finished out 11/17, which is not horrible. But its not elite.
Worse for BC was that Rourke outran his RB by double. The stout Dline help Butler to 27 yards on 10 carries. Rourke scrambled for 58 on 6 carries. 10 runs vs. 37 passes. And had the D not flushed him so much, it would have been 10 runs, 43 passes.
That said, at the game, no one seemed to jump out as being singularly amazing. Bridges INT, I had called presnap as a Bridges pick 6, almost nailed it. Willie got some pressures and knockdowns, Jones quietly racked up tackles. The only successes Rourke seemed to have was when our DB's fell, and it wasn't that he saw them fall and threw to the open guy, they tripped after the ball was in the air. I can bet the DB room is going to be watching a lot of film and work on body position and hip flipping drills this week, because that seemed to be where the issue happened.
JY gets kudos from me for quietly dominating the game against one of its highest regarded QB's with a 4 INT Oline in front of him (for those demeaning NAT Oline, how do you like them now?).
Special teams. What can we say.
Sure, doink, and then wide right.
Sure, fumble at the 5 (recovered, and we scored on that drive)
Sure, hit the freaking pylon for a single instead of out at the 1.
But otherwise, we've found a returner who has a compass that reads north/south. And isn't scared to hit holes at speed.
Castillo scored the points he needed to score, and could have scored more, there were 2 opportunities inside his 60 yard range that were not taken, guessing these were post Benson.
Sheahan had some great punts and some m'eh, but they averaged 7.5 yards a return, vs. our 12.1. So, there's that. And, sorry, binking the pylon was so cool, fans in our section were cheering until they marched it out to the 40 and we realized, pylon IS endzone. But it was fun.
And not often do you see a DE get 3 STT's. OK, Ayers is not a DE, but still. And Cadwallader with 2. This is why we roster 47 LB's. OK, 10... even Shay got in on the action in his first Pro game.
Mike Miller is making his mark.
I know it was only 1 game but man, Peterson is the real deal. He seems to have high football IQ and hits holes at speed. I'd like to see what he can do with that speed and mobility on the outside. OTOH, this young player has a future.
Not that I didn't like what Vaval did as a returner but I wonder if Peterson has the skill set to see some work as a returner too? Vision, speed and fearlessness are great attributes.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 04:43:03 PMI know it was only 1 game but man, Peterson is the real deal. He seems to have high football IQ and hits holes at speed. I'd like to see what he can do with that speed and mobility on the outside. OTOH, this young player has a future.
Not that I didn't like what Vaval did as a returner but I wonder if Peterson has the skill set to see some work as a returner too? Vision, speed and fearlessness are great attributes.
I'm praying Hogan continues to make use of Peterson and doesn't revert to the standard of Brady getting every single touch, Augustine and Flanders suffered from the "one RB rules" mindset and MCI still hasn't touched a football. The only hope for Cooley ever getting on the roster is if Hogan has the imagination to arrange it.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2025, 05:14:08 PMI'm praying Hogan continues to make use of Peterson and doesn't revert to the standard of Brady getting every single touch, Augustine and Flanders suffered from the "one RB rules" mindset and MCI still hasn't touched a football. The only hope for Cooley ever getting on the roster is if Hogan has the imagination to arrange it.
Augustine vs. Brady was an obvious choice, no slight on Johny, loved him here, and he gave his all for the team, but its hard to sub in for the MOP if the MOP wants to play.
Flanders, like Cooley has the wrong passport. With a 3 INT Oline, and only 7 NAT starters including BO27 and MP22, getting Cooley onto the AR is tough.
If BO20 is not on the depth chart next week, or for a while, I can see Cooley coming onto the AR, and having to sit a DI, but who? Griffin? Ayers? And who take's BO20's NAT AR spot? Haggarty?
This is a real tough situation, if BO20 is actually hurt.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2025, 05:31:19 PMAugustine vs. Brady was an obvious choice, no slight on Johny, loved him here, and he gave his all for the team, but its hard to sub in for the MOP if the MOP wants to play.
Flanders, like Cooley has the wrong passport. With a 3 INT Oline, and only 7 NAT starters including BO27 and MP22, getting Cooley onto the AR is tough.
If BO20 is not on the depth chart next week, or for a while, I can see Cooley coming onto the AR, and having to sit a DI, but who? Griffin? Ayers? And who take's BO20's NAT AR spot? Haggarty?
This is a real tough situation, if BO20 is actually hurt.
That's just supporting the same view, Argos, Stamps and Als all rotate RB's, it can be done by sacrificing elsewhere. Would like to see reps for Peterson continue, don't hold out much hope for Cooley as Bombers are committed to the Natl. RB option, he may hang around till the end of the year, but he's got no real future in Wpg.
Peterson lit it up last night and warrants more reps no doubt about it. Brady needs to split the reps and split the probability of injury...wasn't he injured to start last season, now injured again....rep in Peterson, keep both guys fresh and hungry. The only downside is he won't get the rushing title, but big deal, this is a team game, not all about one guy getting rushing stats.
I really like what I saw from Peterson in his first game and we didn't miss a beat on offense without BO.
Same goes for Collaros. Games are out of hand ie up by 20 late in 4th, Strev should be coming in and getting reps. He looked fantastic last night and will only get better with more playing time. Maybe we have Collaros's successor afterall!!
I think Rourke got pounded pretty hard throughout the game, no obvious highlight type hits just a steady pounding, that affected him. And finally caused whatever injury he has. Rourke seems like he does not like getting hit. Just a guess.
This defence might be a bit more physical than last season, I thought last season that was one thing that was somewhat lacking on D.
Vaughters did straight bulldoze a lineman right back into the qb on one play. Completely manhandled him. Their right tackle.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 04:43:03 PMI know it was only 1 game but man, Peterson is the real deal. He seems to have high football IQ and hits holes at speed. I'd like to see what he can do with that speed and mobility on the outside. OTOH, this young player has a future.
Not that I didn't like what Vaval did as a returner but I wonder if Peterson has the skill set to see some work as a returner too? Vision, speed and fearlessness are great attributes.
Terrible idea to put an RB back there. We have a guy doing great and now you want to possibly hurt and wear out another RB? Looking for problems when there isn't one
Quote from: dd on June 13, 2025, 10:29:45 PMPeterson lit it up last night and warrants more reps no doubt about it. Brady needs to split the reps and split the probability of injury...wasn't he injured to start last season, now injured again....rep in Peterson, keep both guys fresh and hungry. The only downside is he won't get the rushing title, but big deal, this is a team game, not all about one guy getting rushing stats.
I really like what I saw from Peterson in his first game and we didn't miss a beat on offense without BO.
Same goes for Collaros. Games are out of hand ie up by 20 late in 4th, Strev should be coming in and getting reps. He looked fantastic last night and will only get better with more playing time. Maybe we have Collaros's successor afterall!!
When healthy Brady get all the reps imo
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2025, 05:14:08 PMI'm praying Hogan continues to make use of Peterson and doesn't revert to the standard of Brady getting every single touch, Augustine and Flanders suffered from the "one RB rules" mindset and MCI still hasn't touched a football. The only hope for Cooley ever getting on the roster is if Hogan has the imagination to arrange it.
Disagree Brady is the best player in the league and gets the rock
Brady bull ball is one of our pillars of strength
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2025, 06:40:16 AMD-line looked fantastic, Jake played well and Lawson is awsonme. Did anyone see if Adams was injured? Didn't notice him in the 4th Q, maybe he was bagged.
Jake continues to prove many wrong, father time ain't coming yet. Just a beast. Agree on Lawson.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 03:08:47 AM2nd down play calling is terrible at times. should have run the ball again
Disagree play calling was excellent
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 01:06:54 AMstrev can be so bad...
Aged poorly
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 01:17:37 AMtime for terry wilson
one pick dropped and now strev throws it right to him
he is not a qb
Wow panic came early I see, patience paid off
Asking for Wilson that early made zero sense
Strev is a QB and a good backup one
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 12:53:20 AMbrady to the locker room. bombers look lost
Bombers did not look lost at any point imo
Re Benson - don't know when it happened but I saw him walking off the field at halftime limping so guessing it is a "lower body" injury.
I was impressed with all 3 phases of our team. Have to temper expectations as it's a long season and this is game 1 but love it
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 14, 2025, 12:18:05 AMTerrible idea to put an RB back there. We have a guy doing great and now you want to possibly hurt and wear out another RB? Looking for problems when there isn't one
When healthy Brady get all the reps imoDisagree Brady is the best player in the league and gets the rock
Brady bull ball is one of our pillars of strength Jake continues to prove many wrong, father time ain't coming yet. Just a beast. Agree on Lawson.Disagree play calling was excellent
Overstated on negative imoAged poorlyWow panic came early I see, patience paid off
Asking for Wilson that early made zero sense
Strev is a QB and a good backup one
Bombers did not look lost at any point imo
Putting Peterson back as a returner only if Oliveria is healthy would be to develop another skill set for Peterson.
You should note that our planned returner Logan is a RB.
Not that we need a different returner at the moment, having one that is Canadian in our pocket is an advantage.
If Oliveria is healthy and getting most of the reps at RB, then it keeps Peterson involved and develops his versatility. You said that Brady gets nearly all the reps if he's healthy. So what do you want Peterson to do, sit on the bench the entire game.
You need another catch phrase besides " overstated in the negative ". If anything is overstated it's that phrase.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 12:58:31 AMPutting Peterson back as a returner only if Oliveria is healthy would be to develop another skill set for Peterson.
You should note that our planned returner Logan is a RB.
Not that we need a different returner at the moment, having one that is Canadian in our pocket is an advantage.
If Oliveria is healthy and getting most of the reps at RB, then it keeps Peterson involved and develops his versatility.
Disagree, a good way to hurt a player that is our #2 rb and a good one to boot, he is a key part of our future and developing him as an RB / blocker should be our priority. Lots to learn there before adding another job that we don't need and are already deep on. If he had success previously as a returner I might change my opinion of it. When your starting RB is CDN you got to ensure your backup CDN back is ready, healthy and fresh in event of injury.
Case would be next returner up to develop imo but he is too far down on the depth chart, I see him as a good emergency use player at the moment
Receivers and occasionally DBs are good projects for returning
Never been a fan or in favour of starting RBs back there or RBs as project returners (I hated putting Charie at risk back in the day)
Yes some RBs have a return skill set, like Logan, I am well aware, skat backs are decent at it
You should note that trying to create a skill set in an RB that doesn't already have could be risky and not effective imo
We are three deep at returner, see zero logic or urgency to develop a 4th at this time
I'll use whatever phrases I want on here, thanks for the input though, nobody else has mentioned anything to the effect
I believe you are (and have before) overstating your criticism of my use of that language lol
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 12:58:31 AMPutting Peterson back as a returner only if Oliveria is healthy would be to develop another skill set for Peterson.
You should note that our planned returner Logan is a RB.
Not that we need a different returner at the moment, having one that is Canadian in our pocket is an advantage.
If Oliveria is healthy and getting most of the reps at RB, then it keeps Peterson involved and develops his versatility. You said that Brady gets nearly all the reps if he's healthy. So what do you want Peterson to do, sit on the bench the entire game.
You need another catch phrase besides " overstated in the negative ". If anything is overstated it's that phrase.
Peterson showed clearly he belongs on the field running the football, he had an unreal first game and will only get better.
If BO is taking the majority of the reps at RB and Peterson is rotting on the bench, by all means put him in as a returner. He is a purebred runner--he's punishing, illusive and hard to bring down, arguable better than Brady, who will break tackles like crazy on ST.
If he isn't getting offensive reps, get him returning kicks and keep him active in the game and develop his skill sets further. You don't develop anything sitting on the sideline and we saw yesterday, he is waaaaay too productive to be sitting on a sideline!!!
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 02:05:50 AMPeterson showed clearly he belongs on the field running the football, he had an unreal first game and will only get better.
If BO is taking the majority of the reps at RB and Peterson is rotting on the bench, by all means put him in as a returner. He is a purebred runner--he's punishing, illusive and hard to bring down, arguable better than Brady, who will break tackles like crazy on ST.
If he isn't getting offensive reps, get him returning kicks and keep him active in the game and develop his skill sets further. You don't develop anything sitting on the sideline and we saw yesterday, he is waaaaay too productive to be sitting on a sideline!!!
Way to early to say he is better than Brady
Agree a great talent at RB, pass as a returner imo
I am interested in developing him as an RB, blocking, receiving in backfield etc. Lots to learn there before we worry about the return game
We have a decent returner on the roster, one that is hurt and proven and Case as emergency use only
Nobody rots on this team, everyone plays
A rookie and unproven returner can get hurt or turn the ball over, not interested in either
How many times did he turn it over last night?? Um, zero. He's runningback, protecting the ball while you carry it is a pre-requisite for his position. From what I saw last night, I have zero concerns about him turning the ball over, he got him by alot of big linebackers and it didn't phase him one bit
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 02:35:22 AMHow many times did he turn it over last night?? Um, zero. He's runningback, protecting the ball while you carry it is a pre-requisite for his position. From what I saw last night, I have zero concerns about him turning the ball over, he got him by alot of big linebackers and it didn't phase him one bit
You nailed it, doing a good job at RB, which is his position, something he had played for a long time. But you missing a key point here. Returning kicks is 100% different. You have to judge the ball in the air, catch a high ball, adjust as you go, deal with cover team, judge kick distance, hang time and adjust to directional kicking, collect ball when bounces etc., run full speed with people flying at you full speed. The return game takes a special skill set which often has new faces fumbling or mishandling the ball. Ball security is so critical on the return game as it can flip the field in a hurry. We have seen our share of weak returners in our time and also it's position that has a high risk of injury.
I love his game at RB, let's not get carried away now thinking he can he a stud at returner. Imo a position that we are already stacked with depth in
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 01:01:25 AMCan anyone explain what happened on those penalties? They didn't announce them in stadium.
I heard that one in-stadium, though Proulx's mic was hot garbage all night. It was a crackback block, which I always thought had to be inside the box, but it turns out it can be anywhere along the line.
It was a weak call because the hit has to be "forceable" and though the REC braced and made it look foreceable, the end result wasn't even medium-strength. These often go unnoticed and uncalled: one of the rarer penalties.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 14, 2025, 01:02:06 AMDisagree, a good way to hurt a player that is our #2 rb and a good one to boot, he is a key part of our future and developing him as an RB / blocker should be our priority. Lots to learn there before adding another job that we don't need and are already deep on. If he had success previously as a returner I might change my opinion of it. When your starting RB is CDN you got to ensure your backup CDN back is ready, healthy and fresh in event of injury.
Case would be next returner up to develop imo but he is too far down on the depth chart, I see him as a good emergency use player at the moment
Receivers and occasionally DBs are good projects for returning
Never been a fan or in favour of starting RBs back there or RBs as project returners (I hated putting Charie at risk back in the day)
Yes some RBs have a return skill set, like Logan, I am well aware, skat backs are decent at it
You should note that trying to create a skill set in an RB that doesn't already have could be risky and not effective imo
We are three deep at returner, see zero logic or urgency to develop a 4th at this time
I'll use whatever phrases I want on here, thanks for the input though, nobody else has mentioned anything to the effect
I believe you are (and have before) overstating your criticism of my use of that language lol
I don't know that Peterson doesn't have that skill set. It's not unusual for Canadians to play ST's before they become starters.
Obviously there are other imports on the AR that can also return but they are full time starters. Being 3 deep on the PR ( possibly ) doesn't help in game.
The reality is that in the Lions game there were 7 punt returns and 3 K/O returns. Peterson had 1 of the K/O returns for 22 yards. That was better than any Lions return on a kick off.
No problem with him learning how to block on offence but we had 55 plays on offence. Oliveria only had 2 touches and was injured.
Injuries are part of the game unfortunately but developing skill sets are too.
You should look at Demski's history in both college and in the CFL. Used as a RB and returner as well as a starting receiver.
It's early but I'd also be looking at Peterson developing as a receiver in the same fashion as Demski. Mostly this would be during practice but receiving, blocking and ST's are all part of depth for Canadians.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 01:16:25 PMI don't know that Peterson doesn't have that skill set. It's not unusual for Canadians to play ST's before they become starters.
Obviously there are other imports on the AR that can also return but they are full time starters. Being 3 deep on the PR ( possibly ) doesn't help in game.
The reality is that in the Lions game there were 7 punt returns and 3 K/O returns. Peterson had 1 of the K/O returns for 22 yards. That was better than any Lions return on a kick off.
No problem with him learning how to block on offence but we had 55 plays on offence. Oliveria only had 2 touches and was injured.
Injuries are part of the game unfortunately but developing skill sets are too.
You should look at Demski's history in both college and in the CFL. Used as a RB and returner as well as a starting receiver.
It's early but I'd also be looking at Peterson developing as a receiver in the same fashion as Demski. Mostly this would be during practice but receiving, blocking and ST's are all part of depth for Canadians.
Makes some good point but I prefer my tailbacks to focus on their craft. I see him working on his pass receiving in the backfield not as a receiver. Demski is an exceptional Swiss army knife talent not the norm.
Canadians play on ST yes but returning is best left to the specialists imo. A high rate of injury occurs at that position. Not worth the risk imo. Very excited about our depth at RB, how do we keep finding these studs??? unreal!
If stars align we could have Logan and Vaval on the roster which would allow depth in game as needed. Going to be a tough decision each week who to dress with all the talent we have to be sure.
In a pinch I would prefer a backup receiver to return or backup DB with speed and good hands.
Keeping a promising backup CDN tailback healthy and focused on his craft at RB is how I would approach it.
To me it's not can he do it, which he likely can, it's ensuring his health, keeping his focus and also ensuring ball security for the club which are more important imo
I'm really high on Vaval
Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2025, 04:05:23 PMIf Logan lets Vaval get a few more games, I'm not sure Logan makes it back to the roster... its been a minute since we had a DB returner
Fogg? Funny thing is, wasn't Fogg still the returner when Strev was first starting for us in '18?
Quote from: VictorRomano on June 13, 2025, 03:24:57 AMDigging Streveller's mullet. Maybe that's the key to his arm? Now we need Osh to bring back the torn cap...
He was wearing it for this game, all night! Torn hat. Torn hat.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 15, 2025, 10:55:51 AMFogg? Funny thing is, wasn't Fogg still the returner when Strev was first starting for us in '18?
Sayles was another one that did returns.
Not seen Peterson field a punt, now would not be a good time to see his first one.
If Brady can't go then we need Cooley to play otherwise we just have no depth at rb. Not sure what import they would take off.
Cobb is the best Nat on the PR. Would he take Brady's roster spot?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 15, 2025, 10:56:25 AMHe was wearing it for this game, all night! Torn hat. Torn hat.
Never mind the torn hat. The new beard is batting a thousand.
Quote from: Waffler on June 15, 2025, 02:06:07 PMNot seen Peterson field a punt, now would not be a good time to see his first one.
If Brady can't go then we need Cooley to play otherwise we just have no depth at rb. Not sure what import they would take off.
Cobb is the best Nat on the PR. Would he take Brady's roster spot?
The question would be does he he get any reps in practice doing that? If not, then it's a valid issue. I wasn't suggesting having him do that in a game if he has no experience.
Our depth at RB will have to be Chris-Ike. While that's not optimum, having depth for Canadian starters is always difficult. You can't just swap in an import, let alone one with zero experience in a regular season game.
Chris-Ike does have college experience as a RB. He's not B. Oliveria but for an in game replacement he'd have to be given that chance.
Cooley might be the next Charles Roberts given an opportunity but I think many are jumping the gun. Add to that if Peterson is starting, adding import depth with all the other issues means he's essentially sitting on the bench.
That isn't the best use of the roster and I don't think anyone wants to mess with the OL at this point.
If there is an option it might be Sterns out to get Cooley on the AR and then adding Cobb. That said, it still suggests a change at starting receiver to add " depth " at RB that may or may not see the field much.
EDIT: A late thought. If Logan is healthy and Oliveria can't play, we could add in Logan as a receiver and depth at RB. He has experience at both and has 136 carries in 36 games with a 6.5 yard average rushing.
We don't yet know whether BO can't play or whether Logan is capable of returning to the AR next week.
I ag
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 15, 2025, 03:13:23 PMThe question would be does he he get any reps in practice doing that?...
Add to that if Peterson is starting, adding import depth with all the other issues means he's essentially sitting on the bench.
I don't see every practice, far from it, but I was there in camp the day they were trying everyone and his dog after the Logan injury. Peterson wasn't one of them.
As far as Cooley, I meant START Cooley and Peterson is the depth guy as before. I would not be opposed to using them interchangeably. Could be a thunder and lightning situation. MOS has gushed over what Cooley can do in game and I haven't heard him say as much about Peterson so I think it would be Cooley starting if we can get him on the roster.
Quote from: Waffler on June 15, 2025, 04:07:16 PMI ag
I don't see every practice, far from it, but I was there in camp the day they were trying everyone and his dog after the Logan injury. Peterson wasn't one of them.
As far as Cooley, I meant START Cooley and Peterson is the depth guy as before. I would not be opposed to using them interchangeably. Could be a thunder and lightning situation. MOS has gushed over what Cooley can do in game and I haven't heard him say as much about Peterson so I think it would be Cooley starting if we can get him on the roster.
I'm not knocking Cooley but I pointed out that Peterson had 130 yards in 23 carries. That's an excellent game by any standard. I wouldn't be sending him to the bench to start Cooley.
It's more about the ratio adjustment required both to get him on the AR and which other changes would need to happen. The main one being changing from a starting Canadian to an import.
In 2024 we could have done that because we were starting 9 - 10 every game. This year we're starting 7 so it's a different issue. There are trade offs that could happen but should they?
I think we'd have a different view if Peterson had 15 carries and ended up with 20 yards rushing.
Fingers are crossed we don't have to make these decisions and BO plays.
Oh and yes, Peterson wouldn't be my 1st choice as a returner but it might be something he could develop in the long run.
If BO is out, Peterson is in and Chris-Ike is the backup, we'll be fine
Does anyone know....How many penalties the Bombers got?
Can't find stats.
Quote from: markf on June 15, 2025, 05:27:18 PMDoes anyone know....How many penalties the Bombers got?
Can't find stats.
7 according to the CFL. BC took 5.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 15, 2025, 05:34:07 PM7 according to the CFL. BC took 5.
Thanks very much.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 15, 2025, 05:34:07 PM7 according to the CFL. BC took 5.
That's a lot for the Bombers, O'shea will expect a crack down on penalties.
i don't think there was single holding penalty called. when i re-watched i saw a few by the lions not called
Quote from: The Zipp on June 15, 2025, 06:05:40 PMi don't think there was single holding penalty called. when i re-watched i saw a few by the lions not called
Yeah seen those live, pretty obvious as well
Refs still warming up
Quote from: Pigskin on June 15, 2025, 05:34:07 PM7 according to the CFL. BC took 5.
One of those was a bogus late hit OOB on us hitting Rourke. Utter hogwash. Rourke is a massive, fast runner and could have easily kept running. The DB had to commit before Rourke barely touched the sideline. And the hit didn't even impact Rourke.
Another was a completely unseen/unshown misconduct on Willie well after a play. That would be extremely rare for him.
Another was a blatant pick play on man coverage, called IC. That one had MOS baffled and irked.
I think we did very good on penalties. We could have easily pulled some DPIs on those long bombs.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 15, 2025, 03:13:23 PMEDIT: A late thought. If Logan is healthy and Oliveria can't play, we could add in Logan as a receiver and depth at RB. He has experience at both and has 136 carries in 36 games with a 6.5 yard average rushing.
Great idea. The only way you can remove Vaval is if Logan is back. And if Logan is back that takes care of backup RB. However, that leaves us with just Peterson actually doing RB reps, as Logan wouldn't see any work there without injury. That allows BC to shut Peterson down as the #1 game plan all week.
Quote from: Waffler on June 15, 2025, 02:07:08 PMNever mind the torn hat. The new beard is batting a thousand.
New beard! New beard!
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 15, 2025, 12:59:25 PMSayles was another one that did returns.
Not well, IIRC. Fogg actually had quite a few really long ones, and even busted it a couple of times. I think Fogg was our best returner in years until Lucky/Grant came along. I was sad when we let him go.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 16, 2025, 12:08:33 AMOne of those was a bogus late hit OOB on us hitting Rourke. Utter hogwash. Rourke is a massive, fast runner and could have easily kept running. The DB had to commit before Rourke barely touched the sideline. And the hit didn't even impact Rourke.
Another was a completely unseen/unshown misconduct on Willie well after a play. That would be extremely rare for him.
Another was a blatant pick play on man coverage, called IC. That one had MOS baffled and irked.
I think we did very good on penalties. We could have easily pulled some DPIs on those long bombs.
The late hit was in fact a late hit.
Rourke's left foot touched out and he clearly was not advancing downfield before Nichols made any contact. Yes it was close but not considering Rourke was going OB. You could tell that by the angle and the momentum he had no chance to continue down the sideline.
Sour grapes.
Bombers have played one game but have the second most passing touchdowns, 3 and the leader in rushing yards... Peterson, 130.
Ticats just didn't run the ball the other day.
As smart as these other non Bomber coaches are, they do some strange things.
Quote from: markf on June 16, 2025, 03:25:05 PMBombers have played one game but have the second most passing touchdowns, 3 and the leader in rushing yards... Peterson, 130.
Ticats just didn't run the ball the other day.
As smart as these other non Bomber coaches are, they do some strange things.
Comes down to the philosophy of the OC, some have still not embraced the re-emergence of the running game the Bombers success has spurred. At one time the CFL was all about passing, now half the teams have embraced running a more balanced attack with strong running backs.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2025, 03:07:32 PMThe late hit was in fact a late hit.
Rourke's left foot touched out and he clearly was not advancing downfield before Nichols made any contact. Yes it was close but not considering Rourke was going OB. You could tell that by the angle and the momentum he had no chance to continue down the sideline.
Sour grapes.
You're wrong on this one. Watch it full speed again. Rourke 100% could have kept running, and he was still going full speed when he got bumped. And seeing as how the DB hit didn't even faze him he probably could have/should have kept running.
The DB committed before he could see the stride where Rourke's foot touched out. Rourke was moving so fast that the DB had to decide on the hit before he was out.
What happened was Rourke saw the DB coming in and baited him into the hit and barely tapped OOB at the last second to force the penalty. It's actually a smart play, if a bit shifty.
They showed many replays of it in-stadium (which you wouldn't have seen) and the crowd was very unhappy. The jumbotron operator knew it was an iffy one to get people riled up, and give MOS a chance to challenge.
MOS clearly looked baffled when the penalty was announced. You can see him moving his lips "it's against us?". Then he does his "B.S." look. He knows the score.
Finally, both booth guys on TSN were guffawing with the "ok, that's close" routine after they saw all the replays. They know, as I do, that it was baited and not much the DB could do.
I know the standard for these calls as well as anyone, plus what the league calls vs lets go. Add in the fact it didn't even budge Rourke, vs piledrive him into the signage, this is one that should have been uncalled.
I think Rourke was still technically "in-bounds" when the hit gets initiated - nothing had touched down (in this case his feet) on the white stripe.
That said, he was clearly angling to go out of bounds, was not going to get more yardage regardless of if there was a hit or not, and it was very close to his foot touching (it's a frame-by-frame replay thing.) I have no problem with a flag there. I'd want one for Collaros under the same circumstances.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 17, 2025, 05:42:03 AMYou're wrong on this one. Watch it full speed again. Rourke 100% could have kept running, and he was still going full speed when he got bumped. And seeing as how the DB hit didn't even faze him he probably could have/should have kept running.
The DB committed before he could see the stride where Rourke's foot touched out. Rourke was moving so fast that the DB had to decide on the hit before he was out.
What happened was Rourke saw the DB coming in and baited him into the hit and barely tapped OOB at the last second to force the penalty. It's actually a smart play, if a bit shifty.
They showed many replays of it in-stadium (which you wouldn't have seen) and the crowd was very unhappy. The jumbotron operator knew it was an iffy one to get people riled up, and give MOS a chance to challenge.
MOS clearly looked baffled when the penalty was announced. You can see him moving his lips "it's against us?". Then he does his "B.S." look. He knows the score.
Finally, both booth guys on TSN were guffawing with the "ok, that's close" routine after they saw all the replays. They know, as I do, that it was baited and not much the DB could do.
I know the standard for these calls as well as anyone, plus what the league calls vs lets go. Add in the fact it didn't even budge Rourke, vs piledrive him into the signage, this is one that should have been uncalled.
I watched it at full speed many times. The intent of the DB is irrelevant. If he hits him OB, it's a penalty and the refs called it correctly. I'll go with their experience and not your bias.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 17, 2025, 02:26:40 PMI watched it at full speed many times. The intent of the DB is irrelevant. If he hits him OB, it's a penalty and the refs called it correctly. I'll go with their experience and not your bias.
He touched him OOB - it was a glancing blow but by rule it could be and was deemed a "hit". They called it this game - would they call it again - who knows..
Quote from: Pete on June 17, 2025, 02:57:22 PMAfter Preseason O'Shea was talking about how we needed to find a way to get Cooley onto roster and see what he can do
This seems like the perfect opportunity to do so
Peterson was great but it eas one game. With Streveler in BC was so worried about him running ( Buck's influence) that it gave him openings.With Collaros you know they are gonna beef up the box and not spread out the linemen
Im not sure whose the better blocker but that may enter into it as well.
Whether its Ayers, Sterns, or Vanderpool thats a decision they can make
For sure - and we've got 9 linebackers rostered - 6 primarily run stopping backers and 3 coverage linebackers (and 10 if we count Ayers). I get Ayers is good on the teams but come on.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 17, 2025, 03:01:31 PMFor sure - and we've got 9 linebackers rostered - 6 primarily run stopping backers and 3 coverage linebackers (and 10 if we count Ayers). I get Ayers is good on the teams but come on.
We'd be better to add Person as a rush DE if we're considering taking Ayers off the AR. However Ayers does add value on ST's.
The most beneficial change to get Cooley on the roster is if Wallace is equal or better than Vanterpool. Even then if he's not starting he has less value than an OL that is involved in every play.
I'd like to see what he can do, but many a CFL rookie has looked good in pre season only to be released as final roster is declared.
It would be so much easier if he had other skills like receiving or returning.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 17, 2025, 04:49:21 PMWe'd be better to add Person as a rush DE if we're considering taking Ayers off the AR. However Ayers does add value on ST's.
The most beneficial change to get Cooley on the roster is if Wallace is equal or better than Vanterpool. Even then if he's not starting he has less value than an OL that is involved in every play.
I'd like to see what he can do, but many a CFL rookie has looked good in pre season only to be released as final roster is declared.
It would be so much easier if he had other skills like receiving or returning.
Which the coaches clearly don't believe, or he would have been starting in game one.
Quote from: Jesse on June 18, 2025, 12:28:13 AMWhich the coaches clearly don't believe, or he would have been starting in game one.
Saw a lot of Eli last game in jumbo pack because he was lined up on the camera side of the field, but couldn't tell if they were also using Wallace outside Stanley or not.
Quote from: Jesse on June 18, 2025, 12:28:13 AMWhich the coaches clearly don't believe, or he would have been starting in game one.
It may be that with Neufeld a game time decision that they thought they might need to have Wallace play RG. That said it did seem the management decided before TC to have a 3 import OL.
Regardless, we'll see what happens for Saturday. A possible change of ratio and use of DI's is a tough choice.
Quote from: Jesse on June 18, 2025, 12:28:13 AMWhich the coaches clearly don't believe, or he would have been starting in game one.
I'm already thinking of next off-season, the priorities should be to retain Wallace, Randolph and Vanterpool, Wallace will have other options so he's #1 to keep happy and ensure he clearly sees his future as a starting Bomber OG for the next 5+ years. Accommodating Stan and Neufeld if they want to come back for another year is secondary due to their age, the rest don't matter as much. Eli and Vibert are in the pipe, but they need more.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 18, 2025, 04:19:33 PMI'm already thinking of next off-season, the priorities should be to retain Wallace, Randolph and Vanterpool
If they think Wallace can be a legit starting OG (still not sold on it, but very possible), they don't have to do anything special for him this season. You could not start him even once this season, and he could still command a big "starting 3rd year NAT OG" salary in FA, which probably would be paid by us.
That said, we could keep the bidding war down by specifically NOT starting him, beacuse that would limit his visibility to other GMs.
It is entirely reasonable, at least within the Mafia standard pipeline, to not be an every-week starter until year 3. It's no slight to be stuck on jumbo that long.
Quote from: Jesse on June 18, 2025, 12:28:13 AMWhich the coaches clearly don't believe, or he would have been starting in game one.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 18, 2025, 12:47:58 PMIt may be that with Neufeld a game time decision that they thought they might need to have Wallace play RG. That said it did seem the management decided before TC to have a 3 import OL.
100% right. The game 1 OL starting line-up doesn't answer squat regarding what the "desired OL" is. Neuf needed a NAT backup, and we wanted jumbo still. Wallace could be desired LG all along and we still don't know. Heck, I still think Randolph was/is desired LG!
And no matter who should be starting between Lofton, Randolph, Vanterpool, we really like to have 2 NATs on AR for jumbo. So in any 3 NAT OL scenario we'll almost certainly have to AR Vibert as jumbo. He may not be ready: so that would be another hint we desire a 3 IMP OL -- with only this Cooley requirement forcing 3 NAT look.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 17, 2025, 04:49:21 PMThe most beneficial change to get Cooley on the roster is if Wallace is equal or better than Vanterpool. Even then if he's not starting he has less value than an OL that is involved in every play.
No, if you want/need Cooley badly (due to backup situation) and you want to start vs DI him, then Wallace just has to be "good enough". He doesn't have to be the best option to start. Wallace could be half as good as Vanterpool, and still get the start. A super strong run game, with backup, trumps a diminished OL when it comes to Bomber ball.
It's annoying and slightly mind-boggling how one injury (Brady) can have 2-3 AR changes as a domino effect. Such is the importance of a tier-1 NAT in the CFL.
Had a smoker with an actual cig standing near my seat at the game. I've seen vapers doing the ol' hidden-in-the-hand thing before, but never seen someone with the audacity to light a real one up!
If they do it next game, should I turn them in? My kids really don't like the smell. They don't want a big scene though, so it would have to be on the down low.
To the smoker, if you're on this forum reading this... not cool, don't do it again.
Did you see Buck's influence on the 2 min drill in BC? He brought that from his time in WPG. BC used to suck at this. We are the league-best, well at least top-2 (we were the best 2+ seasons ago). We had dropped off on our drill in 2024. But Buck made sure BC would have this super power this season.
Was the first Demski TD pass the exact same play Strev made to AH33 in the '19 GC? Interesting... worked then too!
The DB-falling-down TD pass to Hatcher: wasn't there a hint of OPI there? Both REC hands are on the DB kind of pushing him down. Would he have gone down without that?
I'm fine with the non-call, but a bit miffed the hands on/push wasn't even mentioned, and MOS didn't seem too interested in a challenge. The DB should have protested more after he was on the turf, to ham it up to at least have people look at it.
As a scoring play could they possibly get an OPI call automatically from command? Or is this one of those non-auto-review aspects?
P.S. I was kinda blaming Bridges earlier for all the bombs, when on second look it was basically both corners plus Parker screwing up pretty much equally. Our HB's were solid though, and BC veered away from them. Smart move. And the INTs helped even things out. I hope the secondary does way better in the rematch.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 09:53:17 AMHad a smoker with an actual cig standing near my seat at the game. I've seen vapers doing the ol' hidden-in-the-hand thing before, but never seen someone with the audacity to light a real one up!
If they do it next game, should I turn them in? My kids really don't like the smell. They don't want a big scene though, so it would have to be on the down low.
To the smoker, if you're on this forum reading this... not cool, don't do it again.
That's some BS. Tell them to stop or turn them in!
Quote from: Jesse on Today at 01:33:40 PMThat's some BS. Tell them to stop or turn them in!
This. Point out the smoky fool so they can be booted from the stadium. How disgusting and inconsiderate.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 09:53:17 AMHad a smoker with an actual cig standing near my seat at the game. I've seen vapers doing the ol' hidden-in-the-hand thing before, but never seen someone with the audacity to light a real one up!
If they do it next game, should I turn them in? My kids really don't like the smell. They don't want a big scene though, so it would have to be on the down low.
Yes, absolutely go to the service person at the entrance to your seating area and report it on the sly, if you don't want to directly approach this inconsiderate person, they will then tell him to put it out or go out into the smoking area.
To the smoker, if you're on this forum reading this... not cool, don't do it again.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 09:53:17 AMHad a smoker with an actual cig standing near my seat at the game. I've seen vapers doing the ol' hidden-in-the-hand thing before, but never seen someone with the audacity to light a real one up!
If they do it next game, should I turn them in? My kids really don't like the smell. They don't want a big scene though, so it would have to be on the down low.
To the smoker, if you're on this forum reading this... not cool, don't do it again.
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Don't confront the smoker. What would he say? Sorry? didn't realize it? He knows exactly what he is doing, he just doesn't care. Just inform the appropriate people, they are paid to do it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 06:24:58 AMNo, if you want/need Cooley badly (due to backup situation) and you want to start vs DI him, then Wallace just has to be "good enough". He doesn't have to be the best option to start. Wallace could be half as good as Vanterpool, and still get the start. A super strong run game, with backup, trumps a diminished OL when it comes to Bomber ball.
It's annoying and slightly mind-boggling how one injury (Brady) can have 2-3 AR changes as a domino effect. Such is the importance of a tier-1 NAT in the CFL.
That's a big maybe. It depends on how much drop off on the OL that might create. If they had Wallace replacing Vanterpool then Cooley wouldn't be a DI. He'd be able to start, rotate or be part of a 2 RB set in some formations.
To that end, if that change is made then he has to see the field in some capacity rather than sit on the bench waiting for an injury. I'd start Peterson and let him play until it's shown he can't be the starter at the moment. There is no guarantee that Cooley would have greater success in the same situation.
Perhaps the coaches have more of a feel about that but nothing in our run game is certain beyond Brady.