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Just wanted to take a look at the position groups so far and see if we think we can see some improvements in some position groups, even though we've seen some big names leave.

Quarterback: Same

Zach's #1. We can all hope for a bounce back season, but hopefully last year is as bad as it gets. Streveler may or may not be back, but we didn't use him to great effect last year anyway, so this position hopefully only has upside from last year.

Runningback: Same

Brady will hopefully not miss TC and start the year off strong. There was also some bad TD luck that hopefully corrects itself. Logan would be a nice complement if we actually choose to make that a part of the gameplan (certainly wasn't a part of Buck's plan).

Receivers: Same?

I know Lawler seems like a loss, but his actual production wont be hard to replace (even if he puts it together and finally manages to play a full season for Hammy - we're comparing the roster to last year). Schoen hopefully gives us everything we wanted and we have Mitchell and White Jr to compete for the #2 while Demski is the vet in the room with Clercius bring a physical presence.

OL: Same/Downgrade?

We lose Dobson, but still have more consistency than we did going into last year with Lofton returning. Instead of depending on multiple rookies, we have guys entering their 2nd year who both have starts under their belt.

DL: Improved?

Willie is Willie. Vaughters should/might give us some extra push from the other side, or at least be more consistent. Lawson coming back hopefully gives us more than we had from the interior. And I'm really excited about year 2 of Adams and Woods.

LB: Same/Improved?

Full year of Tony Jones in the middle. Ayers coming into year 2. Jon Jones one of those guys ready to take a starter role. I think we have an intriguing array of pieces.

Secondary: Downgrade?

On paper, we lost Ford, so it feels like a downgrade. But we've also been here before, DB leaves for NFL or pay day with another team, we replace them with another DB and still lead the league in defensive categories.

I'm pretty comfortable trusting the brain trust on this one.

Receivers slightly downgraded
OL too early to tell but could be a downgrade
Rest agree

Good summary.

I would also break out FS onto its own.  Still a big question mark there.

If Kenny is gone, then it would be nice if Pokey could mosey back mid-season like so many NFL hopefuls do.  Pokey is a similar build/style to Kenny.

Mitchell is too, though he doesn't quite have the magic hands.

Last season I think our problem (with Schoen hurt) was too many Kenny-type RECs: Kenny, Pokey, Wheatie.  You really only need 1 or 2 of those guys on a team.  We should be more balanced this year, which will help on 2nd down.

Good summary. I think it's possible we've improved at LB and DL. Depth on the DL is still somewhat of an unknown.

Parker will replace Ford in the secondary so the real loss is more of a ratio issue. While ratio is not critical at the moment it's unclear how we adjust and whether that happens at safety.

Options suggested have included a 3 import OL, all import DL or safety. In theory none of those are necessary but remain as options. Injury in TC could impact final choices.

We've lost 10+ players at this point and that will increase depending on our final list of potential free agents.

It will be a different team. Generally I think we'll be ok.

Solid analysis, @Jesse.

I think the DL will be where we see the most improvement. I think the defense is going to be really good.

The two question marks for me: QB depth and the return game.

Believe in The Mafia.

Quote from: Jesse on February 05, 2025, 01:44:23 AMJust wanted to take a look at the position groups so far and see if we think we can see some improvements in some position groups, even though we've seen some big names leave.

Quarterback: Same

Zach's #1. We can all hope for a bounce back season, but hopefully last year is as bad as it gets. Streveler may or may not be back, but we didn't use him to great effect last year anyway, so this position hopefully only has upside from last year.

Runningback: Same

Brady will hopefully not miss TC and start the year off strong. There was also some bad TD luck that hopefully corrects itself. Logan would be a nice complement if we actually choose to make that a part of the gameplan (certainly wasn't a part of Buck's plan).

Receivers: Same?

I know Lawler seems like a loss, but his actual production wont be hard to replace (even if he puts it together and finally manages to play a full season for Hammy - we're comparing the roster to last year). Schoen hopefully gives us everything we wanted and we have Mitchell and White Jr to compete for the #2 while Demski is the vet in the room with Clercius bring a physical presence.

OL: Same/Downgrade?

We lose Dobson, but still have more consistency than we did going into last year with Lofton returning. Instead of depending on multiple rookies, we have guys entering their 2nd year who both have starts under their belt.

DL: Improved?

Willie is Willie. Vaughters should/might give us some extra push from the other side, or at least be more consistent. Lawson coming back hopefully gives us more than we had from the interior. And I'm really excited about year 2 of Adams and Woods.

LB: Same/Improved?

Full year of Tony Jones in the middle. Ayers coming into year 2. Jon Jones one of those guys ready to take a starter role. I think we have an intriguing array of pieces.

Secondary: Downgrade?

On paper, we lost Ford, so it feels like a downgrade. But we've also been here before, DB leaves for NFL or pay day with another team, we replace them with another DB and still lead the league in defensive categories.

I'm pretty comfortable trusting the brain trust on this one.

QB=same
RB=same
WR=downgrade.  Mitchell is not Lawler
OL=id say slight downgrade which scares me as they weren't great last year to begin with
DL=upgrade Vaughters will help Willie and vice versa
LB=id same same/upgrade Tony better than bighill
Secondary=downgrade on paper we lost Ford and still no option at safety.  Time will tell if we recruit better options

Oline is weaker - loss of Dobson and aging of vets.
Wr - will depend on health of Schoen. Productivity wise will miss Wilson more than Lawler
Dline better with Vaughters and Lawton
Dbacks - weaker with loss of Ford
LBS - better
Rb - better, Logan gives us more options
 Of concern is losing young cdn talent in Dobson and Ford. Also not signing Garbutt was a mistake I believe.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 05, 2025, 01:12:29 PMOptions suggested have included a 3 import OL, all import DL or safety. In theory none of those are necessary but remain as options. Injury in TC could impact final choices.

If we don't make a splash in FA on OL (OG) I really think there's a good chance we'll go 3 IMP OL.  Randolph at LG plus our existing lineup could be a league top-3 OL.

I maintain that Eli isn't a real LG option, and Wallace isn't ready (or possibly never will be).  Either we draft a week-1-ready LG, or we make a FA splash, or Randolph becomes the starter.  I don't see any other choices.

Remember how good our OL suddenly became with Randolph at RG in '24!!

The only tricky part is no Ford means 1 less ratio overage.  However, we were starting 8, 9, 10 NATs most of '24, so we can easily afford this change.

I don't think the loss of Ford is as big a deal as people think.  I was never sold on him being our best DB anyhow.  I think Nichols & Holm are more important, and we keep both.

Ford only gets the big attention because he's a NAT.  Otherwise he's just another very good DB.

I have no doubt we will find yet another great DB.  We do every year.  It's just that he won't be NAT.  And that's fine.

I also think Parker, Bonds, Bridges are all viable to be the "next big thing".  We'll see after TC.

Hey, good analysis and fun thread.

QB = biggest question is backup, both in their ability to take over and manage in case of (shall not be said), and equally important, how they're used as a change of pace/3rd and short/special play sort of role. I want someone able to do all of that. If it's Strev, great, but hoping Jarious uses him better than Buck did.

RB = already perfection

Rec = Not a concern for me. Dalton will be #1, Demski is solid as always, I think Dillon gets more catches than we think because of attention having to be paid to the top 2 looks, and Clercius takes another step after a good first season. We also have guys like Wheatfall who contributed pretty well for their rookie seasons and could break out this year. Or, we find another Ontaria on an ELC as we've proven we can

OL = wish Dobson wasn't leaving and we had full continuity from last year, but we had so many new faces spending half a season gelling so as long as we find someone skilled who can fit in, that shouldn't be nearly as much a struggle.

DL = I'm very excited to have Vaughters come in and be a factor so that we can #FreeWillie. Equally excited to have Lawson as a full time starter all season and although I've been calling for a bona fide dominant DT like Cersena or Stove for ages, between Thomas and Adams and Woods we should have very solid rotation in the middle

LB = very excited about Ayers and Keeping Up With The Jones'. Also missing is Kyrie Wilson's re-signing and he will be a key rotation piece in a number of different packages. Having his skill and experience in a role where we don't completely rely on his health will let him contribute to the best of his capacity I think. Kramdi is now a star and could get even better.

DB = We lose our amazing finds every year and replace them every year. Will miss Ford, but at the end of the day he's a field corner. Even if we don't find a super star here, they just need to be competent at this position but hey, maybe it's a new Alford! Bonds will take another step from an already stellar rookie year. Nichols and Holm are Nichols and Holm. Hoping BA has a bounce back but again, he's a safety and now that he's not the youngin he once was, "hiding" him at safety is perfectly fine for what he has left in the tank.

In summary, I'm expecting/hoping we scout a young ELC OL, rec and db. I don't think we need to pay up for any of these with crazy FA spending.

QB - Zach a year older, and coming of a confidence straining third GC loss, Wilson still unknown and 3rd guy / Dev guy TBD - down

RB - Same starter, better depth. -up

Rec - Wilson / Lawler gone, Schoen back.  Mitchell, White might be moneybal kinds of guys, and there's Wheatfall and a bazillion more to step up - slight down

Oline - Dobson is a loss, but I think Wallace/Randolph will be an upgrade.  Lofton year two.  - even

Dline - Vaughters is an upgrade, if Willie is still got it, and we land one DL out of those left out there - big upgrade.

LB's - Year two of Jones - Ayers/Wilson - Kramdi is going to be very good, and lots of healthy backups is going to make us deep at that spot. - up

DB's - Yes, Ford is a loss, but Parker comes back.  Lots of competition at FS, and Holm, Nichols, Bond are solid AF.  Depending on who wins FS, same or up

Specials - new LS will be the key, not the hardest position but definitely a lynchpin. Competition at P, but can only be an upgrade if we change - same

Coches - OC is the key, Hogan needs to step up, having Jackson on the staff is a bonus.  Is Hogan/Jackson > Buck/Hogan?  We will see soon enough - same/?

Wasn't Dobson a turnstile? Zac had to always bail because his guy was always running by him.

Quote from: theaardvark on February 06, 2025, 03:33:27 PMOline - Dobson is a loss, but I think Wallace/Randolph will be an upgrade.  Lofton year two.  - even

If we go Randolph (or new wunderkind) I fully agree.  Wallace, nope.  Not if he's at the level he was at last year.  He may only ever be a gadget guy because of his size.  We'll see.

Will Mafia take the bold step of going "all 2017" again and starting 3 IMP OL??  I hope so.  Takes the pressure of the dev guys and the draft choices.

Quote from: DM83 on February 06, 2025, 11:43:26 PMWasn't Dobson a turnstile? Zac had to always bail because his guy was always running by him.

Dobson wasn't great, especially earlier in the season.  I thought he was the "problem guy" for '24.  However, the OL got way better with Randolph in, and then when Neuf came back too.

I never saw what PFF decided he was OL of the week or whatever he "won" mid/late season.  So I agree with you, somewhat/mostly, but we're probably the only 2 here who feel that way!

He's no Desjar, and if other teams want to give him Desjar money, let them.  However, if we can use (part of) the $400k to woo him back I'd be all for it because continuity is king come week 1 in the CFL.  And he's proven more than serviceable.  I think he's the 2024 version of Speller.

Oh ya, I'll miss the slick stache.

Where are we with WR's now?
Nationals - Demski and Clercius
Americans - Sterns, Mitchell, White, Schoen plus Wheatfall, Case and other rookies coming in!

Are we going to rock with only one National at WR? We still can, but we are less flexible if there is an injury to Kramdi or some OL.

That WR room will be an upgrade over last season with the addition of Sterns. We didn't get a consistent output from Lawler until later in the season, and Schoen was out all year. 

Quote from: LXTSN on February 07, 2025, 01:40:30 PMWhere are we with WR's now?
Nationals - Demski and Clercius
Americans - Sterns, Mitchell, White, Schoen plus Wheatfall, Case and other rookies coming in!

Are we going to rock with only one National at WR? We still can, but we are less flexible if there is an injury to Kramdi or some OL.

That WR room will be an upgrade over last season with the addition of Sterns. We didn't get a consistent output from Lawler until later in the season, and Schoen was out all year. 

I posted this in another thread but something like this not including any rookies or new draft picks or PR players:

SLOT 1: Schoen
SLOT 2: Demski
SLOT 3: White Jr. / Sterns in an open competition
Boundary WR: D. Mitchell, Wheatfall
Field WR: Clercius, Gassama

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 07, 2025, 02:02:34 PMI posted this in another thread but something like this not including any rookies or new draft picks or PR players:

SLOT 1: Schoen
SLOT 2: Demski
SLOT 3: White Jr. / Sterns in an open competition
Boundary WR: D. Mitchell, Wheatfall
Field WR: Clercius, Gassama

HA! Just replied to this comment in the other thread! We can keep it here if that's better.
I just think that Sterns is far superior to Clercius.

Quote from: LXTSN on February 07, 2025, 02:35:48 PMHA! Just replied to this comment in the other thread! We can keep it here if that's better.
I just think that Sterns is far superior to Clercius.

He totally is. But Sterns is a slot receiver and Clercius is that fifth receiver on the field side that does a lot of blocking. The roles are very different. Sterns can't win a spot out there unless the offense looks incredibly different and even then I'd be skeptical.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 07, 2025, 02:02:34 PMI posted this in another thread but something like this not including any rookies or new draft picks or PR players:

SLOT 1: Schoen
SLOT 2: Demski
SLOT 3: White Jr. / Sterns in an open competition
Boundary WR: D. Mitchell, Wheatfall
Field WR: Clercius, Gassama

We'll be fine. Considering the injuries last year, this is an upgrade.

Aging Oline is the issue offensively, IMO.

Quote from: peg_city on February 07, 2025, 02:51:17 PMWe'll be fine. Considering the injuries last year, this is an upgrade.

Aging Oline is the issue offensively, IMO.

Dunbar is still a potential free agent isn't he? Will some team look at him now that they have some surprise SMS? Looking at all the players left, I don't see anyone in particular I'd like to target. Might be an OL worth bringing in.

Anyone have a player of interest in mind?

Do we think some of the players that moved across the CFL now get new offers from their previous teams?

I think Gassama will be in tough to beat out Gavin Cobb.

Anyone think Cole should have been kept?

He was all over the field making plays end of the season.

Quote from: markf on February 07, 2025, 03:38:01 PMAnyone think Cole should have been kept?

He was all over the field making plays end of the season.

Would have loved to have him back, at the right price.

Quote from: Pigskin on February 07, 2025, 03:40:36 PMWould have loved to have him back, at the right price.

Yes but as I've been suggesting it's a ratio issue with how many import LB's we planned to keep on the AR. Previously I thought we'd move on from Wilson. That would have created a Jones, Ayers, Cole on the AR with a rookie on the PR.

Once Wilson got added that skewed the math, assuming no TC injuries at that position. I can't see Coles was not affordable per se. The team seems high on one or two rookie LB's but those are TBD issues.

I could see Cole potentially winning a starting role in Hamilton.

There are more Canadians starting then in the past. However the number of imports on the roster still has a max whether they are starting or non DI's as part of the total.

Barring injury it's always interesting to see how the ratio is used across the roster when final cuts are made.

Speaking of LB's what about making a pitch to Makonzo? He's a very good up and comer. He'd be a possible upgrade to Canadian LB depth.

Need to find a way to spend some of that extra SMS. Adding any Canadian that is an upgrade can't hurt. It's not that our Canadians are bad, but there are some players that can still be added that are better. A least somewhere on the roster.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 07, 2025, 03:59:13 PMYes but as I've been suggesting it's a ratio issue with how many import LB's we planned to keep on the AR. Previously I thought we'd move on from Wilson. That would have created a Jones, Ayers, Cole on the AR with a rookie on the PR.

Once Wilson got added that skewed the math, assuming no TC injuries at that position. I can't see Coles was not affordable per se. The team seems high on one or two rookie LB's but those are TBD issues.

I could see Cole potentially winning a starting role in Hamilton.

There are more Canadians starting then in the past. However the number of imports on the roster still has a max whether they are starting or non DI's as part of the total.

Barring injury it's always interesting to see how the ratio is used across the roster when final cuts are made.

They also added Jon Jones from the Argos who can play either WIL or MLB, pressing Kyrie and Ayers for the starting WIL job, I don't think they'll be able to retain all 3. 

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2025, 04:16:39 PMThey also added Jon Jones from the Argos who can play either WIL or MLB, pressing Kyrie and Ayers for the starting WIL job, I don't think they'll be able to retain all 3. 

I know and he could be a good one. I guess we'll see who wins the starting spot at WIL and he'll be in the mix. Your point about being to keep all 3 is the question and I don't know that we will either. OTOH, I don't know with certainty that we won't.

I see a roster ratio issue but it can be made to work.

Jon Jones might have similar skill set to Cole and might be a little less expensive and more capable to play MLB if necessary than Cole? After we decided to move away from Bighill, changing the depth at MLB became a new issue.

Jon Jones would seem to be the next man up at MLB depth and possibly 3rd depth choice at WIL behind Wilson / Ayers. In theory, that would be my analysis.

I am very pleased with Oline, LBs, Rec, Specials, DBs, DL, RBs... the only question left is QB depth in my mind. 

If we started camp with this lineup, I think we win the west and probably the cup.

Walters has done a fine job of making a roster that, while it may be missing a few "stars" has more than made up for it by increasing the average talent across the board, as well as depth.

This is more a workman team that an allstar team this year.  And who knows, some may turn the corner to allstar.

Quote from: theaardvark on February 07, 2025, 04:55:27 PMI am very pleased with Oline, LBs, Rec, Specials, DBs, DL, RBs... the only question left is QB depth in my mind. 

If we started camp with this lineup, I think we win the west and probably the cup.

Walters has done a fine job of making a roster that, while it may be missing a few "stars" has more than made up for it by increasing the average talent across the board, as well as depth.

This is more a workman team that an allstar team this year.  And who knows, some may turn the corner to allstar.

So much riding on Zach's health and performance, it's a seriously risky plan.

The extra SMS money should be used to secure a competent #2 Qb, hands down. Collaros gets hurt, we're dead in the water.  Collaros has been relatively unhurt during the regular season, so we've been lucky so far, but every Qb gets hurt in this league, young and old. Look at last year- Adams, Fajardo, Kelly, Harris, etc, and they are fielded decent #2 Qb's. I have zero confidence in our #2 last year, and time to bring in new blood to challenge status quo. I'd bring in someone like Cam Dukes

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 07, 2025, 02:45:43 PMHe totally is. But Sterns is a slot receiver and Clercius is that fifth receiver on the field side that does a lot of blocking. The roles are very different. Sterns can't win a spot out there unless the offense looks incredibly different and even then I'd be skeptical.

Also keep in mind that every time we bring in an extra OL or back, a receiver comes off.

We don't often have our full complement of receivers on the field.

Quote from: dd on February 07, 2025, 05:32:39 PMThe extra SMS money should be used to secure a competent #2 Qb, hands down. Collaros gets hurt, we're dead in the water.  Collaros has been relatively unhurt during the regular season, so we've been lucky so far, but every Qb gets hurt in this league, young and old. Look at last year- Adams, Fajardo, Kelly, Harris, etc, and they are fielded decent #2 Qb's. I have zero confidence in our #2 last year, and time to bring in new blood to challenge status quo. I'd bring in someone like Cam Dukes

I agree SOME of the money could be used for that purpose but how much of it? The list of those available choices is not good. Having extra money doesn't mean they wouldn't sign for less.

Using Masoli as an example. Where is he going to land? He's still only worth low end back up money.

I only see 8 QB's that are potential free agents; I'd think Davis, Masoli and Streveler won't be playing in 2025 until a team has an injury.

Dukes, Scott, Bonner, Patterson and Bonner are the others.

Clearly Masoli is the most experienced but is he really any better short or long term than Dolegala?

Quote from: dd on February 07, 2025, 05:32:39 PMThe extra SMS money should be used to secure a competent #2 Qb, hands down. Collaros gets hurt, we're dead in the water.  Collaros has been relatively unhurt during the regular season, so we've been lucky so far, but every Qb gets hurt in this league, young and old. Look at last year- Adams, Fajardo, Kelly, Harris, etc, and they are fielded decent #2 Qb's. I have zero confidence in our #2 last year, and time to bring in new blood to challenge status quo. I'd bring in someone like Cam Dukes

Everyone gets the same amount of money, we can't suddenly outbid teams who have the same budget as we do.

Quote from: Jesse on February 07, 2025, 05:36:13 PMEveryone gets the same amount of money, we can't suddenly outbid teams who have the same budget as we do.

Every team will have a different set of needs and trigger points at each position. Other teams probably have better QB depth than we have or perceive that we have.

Ottawa signed Schiltz but also had Crum and Adams behind Brown. So their depth looks superior. Does that create a trade possibility as another example.

Realistically we don't know how the team feels about either Wilson or Dolegala. They may be the back ups.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2025, 05:04:14 PMSo much riding on Zach's health and performance, it's a seriously risky plan.

Which might just be why Jackson is QB coach and not OC... so he can concentrate on the QB room/progression. 

i really like the offensive opportunities this roster provides us with. We are considerably faster/quicker which should strengthen our shorter game. Ly whenever we threw a flareout it seemed it went for less than 3 yards, we couldn't make that first tackler miss.
 Mitchell, Sterns and Logan will do that. May take some of the workload off Demski in the running game as well (hopefully keeping Demski healthier)  Logan will also give us a better change of pace than we've had.

 The overall speed of Shoen/Mitchel/White/Clercius is significantly better than Lawler/Wilson/Wolitarski/Wheatfall making us harder to defend.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 07, 2025, 05:45:00 PMEvery team will have a different set of needs and trigger points at each position. Other teams probably have better QB depth than we have or perceive that we have.

Ottawa signed Schiltz but also had Crum and Adams behind Brown. So their depth looks superior. Does that create a trade possibility as another example.

Realistically we don't know how the team feels about either Wilson or Dolegala. They may be the back ups.

I m nervous about Wilson. Dolegala was cut from Sask in favour of Patterson, and then BC when they got Rourke, but he hasn't shown well when he's played, certainly not like Davis Alexander but he's probably on par with Schiltz or Crum. Maybe Jarious really makes a difference with these 2, I certainly hope so...

Wilson moves well in the pocket, and we know he can run. He also showed time and time again at practice that he had the strongest arm of our three QBs. I think with the help of Jackson and Zach, he could take the next step. Strev and Dolegala are my ??.

Quote from: Pigskin on February 07, 2025, 10:51:07 PMWilson moves well in the pocket, and we know he can run. He also showed time and time again at practice that he had the strongest arm of our three QBs. I think with the help of Jackson and Zach, he could take the next step. Strev and Dolegala are my ??.

I honestly don't know what is going to happen with the QB's past #1 but I'd argue that Dolegala has the strongest arm here . He throws deep balls seemingly without effort, no wind up, just zing. I'd love to see a deep ball contest though. Wilson has to fix his accuracy, he can look great and terrible on consecutive plays. With Zach being 37 this year I'd have hoped we had tried harder to get someone more proven on the roster as Sask did.

I'd add that the strongest arm we have had here in recent times is Prukop. It never helped him.

Do we still have 2023 1st rnd pick Anthony Bennett under contract?  He was injured early in camp lastyear.

Are you related to him? Poor fella played against lesser ability teams in college. He certainly showed zero ability at the pro level.

Quote from: DM83 on February 07, 2025, 11:49:12 PMAre you related to him? Poor fella played against lesser ability teams in college. He certainly showed zero ability at the pro level.

Weird reply. No idea what led you to that conclusion.
There was a reason we drafted him where we did. All I'm asking is if he's still ours.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on February 08, 2025, 12:39:09 AMWeird reply. No idea what led you to that conclusion.
There was a reason we drafted him where we did. All I'm asking is if he's still ours.

We released him a year ago. He's anyone who wants him.

Quote from: dd on February 07, 2025, 10:35:26 PMI m nervous about Wilson. Dolegala was cut from Sask in favour of Patterson, and then BC when they got Rourke, but he hasn't shown well when he's played, certainly not like Davis Alexander but he's probably on par with Schiltz or Crum. Maybe Jarious really makes a difference with these 2, I certainly hope so...

That's the problem in a nutshell. Patterson is still a potential free agent though? Maybe we find success in this year's recruitment of rookies. All in all it's a risk going into the season with questionable depth. Hopes are high for Wilson but that's the same feeling every time a new rookie is added.

Quote from: Waffler on February 07, 2025, 11:14:28 PMI honestly don't know what is going to happen with the QB's past #1 but I'd argue that Dolegala has the strongest arm here . He throws deep balls seemingly without effort, no wind up, just zing. I'd love to see a deep ball contest though. Wilson has to fix his accuracy, he can look great and terrible on consecutive plays. With Zach being 37 this year I'd have hoped we had tried harder to get someone more proven on the roster as Sask did.

Not sure what you're basing your assessment of Wilson's passing ability on, his stats were 1 for 1 = 4 yds. last season.  It's dumb how little playing time they gave him if they were expecting him to pickup the game, even Zach should realize playing every snap he can, isn't in the team's best interest.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 08, 2025, 01:12:16 AMThat's the problem in a nutshell. Patterson is still a potential free agent though? Maybe we find success in this year's recruitment of rookies. All in all it's a risk going into the season with questionable depth. Hopes are high for Wilson but that's the same feeling every time a new rookie is added.

Ya, we need a little more than hope this year, we need to be certain our #2 is capable of running the O in the event of injury to ZC, we don't have that right now

Quote from: Pete on February 07, 2025, 09:51:37 PMLy whenever we threw a flareout it seemed it went for less than 3 yards, we couldn't make that first tackler miss.

Our short pass game was just awful in 2024.  We were working hard on the short game in 2023 but then kind of just devolved into chuck&pray, and so many teams just jumped it to bat it down or INT like they did in the GC on Demski.

This could be something to work on in 2025.  Most other teams have a great short game (and some not much else!).  I don't know why it has to be so hard for us.  Zach might be too slow with the wind up?

Quote from: Jesse on February 07, 2025, 05:36:13 PMEveryone gets the same amount of money, we can't suddenly outbid teams who have the same budget as we do.

Teams that hadn't re-signed many FA yet are the real losers here.  All of a sudden their whole roster is $ + 10%.  The guys locked down pre-announcement are all bonus-less and thus great boons for their teams.

We had about half our FA locked up so we're probably doing ok here.  At least as good as average.

But most of our strongly-desired top talent is part of the locked-up group, so we now have a ton of SMS to chase the top talent that "got away" (i.e. Kenny).  Other teams may be in different situations, and surely even with the $400k no team is going to offer Kenny $350k!

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 07, 2025, 05:35:55 PMClearly Masoli is the most experienced but is he really any better short or long term than Dolegala?

Masoli is 100% a better short-term help than Dolegala.  Long term... well, Masoli will either be retired or permanently injured.

Quote from: Jesse on February 07, 2025, 05:34:37 PMAlso keep in mind that every time we bring in an extra OL or back, a receiver comes off.

We don't often have our full complement of receivers on the field.

That was a Buck thing, stealing the "max pro / jumbo" idea from HAM in '19 and '21.  Hogan may or may not continue that.  We could go back to being a more normal team in that the max pro sets are for gadgets and specials, not most-down things.

(We were running jumbo on around 50% of 1st downs in 2024!)

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 07, 2025, 02:45:43 PMHe totally is. But Sterns is a slot receiver and Clercius is that fifth receiver on the field side that does a lot of blocking. The roles are very different. Sterns can't win a spot out there unless the offense looks incredibly different and even then I'd be skeptical.

Good point.  Sterns 5'9" blocking might end up looking like that time Speedy B stayed in the pocket to passpro block and was basically thrown aside with 1 arm by a DE/LB.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 08, 2025, 02:29:31 AMNot sure what you're basing your assessment of Wilson's passing ability on, his stats were 1 for 1 = 4 yds. last season.  It's dumb how little playing time they gave him if they were expecting him to pickup the game, even Zach should realize playing every snap he can, isn't in the team's best interest.

I judge Wilson based on watching him in practice.  I go to one per week when the weather is good.

Unfortunately this team doesn't give equal reps to all the QB's. All our chips are on Zach and development seems secondary to us. Though I recall MOS saying lots of times that the vets don't need the practice. It's just the way they have decided to do things I guess.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 08, 2025, 02:40:06 AMGood point.  Sterns 5'9" blocking might end up looking like that time Speedy B stayed in the pocket to passpro block and was basically thrown aside with 1 arm by a DE/LB.

Reminds me of Greg Mcrae, only quicker, At times McCrae was effective.Again it depends on utilization, As far as blocking Wilson, Wheatfall, Johnson were all pretty ineffective. Its more about setting picks.

Quote from: Jesse on February 05, 2025, 01:44:23 AMJust wanted to take a look at the position groups so far and see if we think we can see some improvements in some position groups, even though we've seen some big names leave.

Quarterback: Same

Zach's #1. We can all hope for a bounce back season, but hopefully last year is as bad as it gets. Streveler may or may not be back, but we didn't use him to great effect last year anyway, so this position hopefully only has upside from last year.

Runningback: Same

Brady will hopefully not miss TC and start the year off strong. There was also some bad TD luck that hopefully corrects itself. Logan would be a nice complement if we actually choose to make that a part of the gameplan (certainly wasn't a part of Buck's plan).

Receivers: Same?

I know Lawler seems like a loss, but his actual production wont be hard to replace (even if he puts it together and finally manages to play a full season for Hammy - we're comparing the roster to last year). Schoen hopefully gives us everything we wanted and we have Mitchell and White Jr to compete for the #2 while Demski is the vet in the room with Clercius bring a physical presence.

OL: Same/Downgrade?

We lose Dobson, but still have more consistency than we did going into last year with Lofton returning. Instead of depending on multiple rookies, we have guys entering their 2nd year who both have starts under their belt.

DL: Improved?

Willie is Willie. Vaughters should/might give us some extra push from the other side, or at least be more consistent. Lawson coming back hopefully gives us more than we had from the interior. And I'm really excited about year 2 of Adams and Woods.

LB: Same/Improved?

Full year of Tony Jones in the middle. Ayers coming into year 2. Jon Jones one of those guys ready to take a starter role. I think we have an intriguing array of pieces.

Secondary: Downgrade?

On paper, we lost Ford, so it feels like a downgrade. But we've also been here before, DB leaves for NFL or pay day with another team, we replace them with another DB and still lead the league in defensive categories.

I'm pretty comfortable trusting the brain trust on this one.

I have stayed away for analyizing the comings and goings todate however based on what I see from other teams signings and while I realize it is way way too early to fully understand what the roster will look like come game day, it would appear to the lay person that other than Calgary the other teams in the west appear to have strengthen their roster while at least IMHO we really have not made much improvement at least at this early stage. Way to early to make any firm analysis but just a gut feeling that we have slid back somewhat compared to the rest of the West.

Quote from: BBRT on February 08, 2025, 04:47:45 PMI have stayed away for analyizing the comings and goings todate however based on what I see from other teams signings and while I realize it is way way too early to fully understand what the roster will look like come game day, it would appear to the lay person that other than Calgary the other teams in the west appear to have strengthen their roster while at least IMHO we really have not made much improvement at least at this early stage. Way to early to make any firm analysis but just a gut feeling that we have slid back somewhat compared to the rest of the West.

It's all subjective. Other teams have done more because they had more to do. The Elks have agreed to deals with something like 17 potential free agents. They also lost a bunch of players or will as a result.

Will they be a better team in 2025? It's just a guess and we'll see early season rankings in a few weeks after free agency.

Like most teams it depends on how successful the starting QB does. Ford may do well or he may get injured as a running style QB. Defences will adjust to keep in the pocket and that limits him to a degree.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 08, 2025, 06:12:04 PMIt's all subjective. Other teams have done more because they had more to do. The Elks have agreed to deals with something like 17 potential free agents. They also lost a bunch of players or will as a result.

Will they be a better team in 2025? It's just a guess and we'll see early season rankings in a few weeks after free agency.

Like most teams it depends on how successful the starting QB does. Ford may do well or he may get injured as a running style QB. Defences will adjust to keep in the pocket and that limits him to a degree.

The Elks could be future West or GC Champions with the roster they're building, but it's not likely to happen this season if they stick with Tre Ford as their starter.  I take comfort hoping he may end up being their weakest point.

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 08, 2025, 06:36:26 PMThe Elks could be future West or GC Champions with the roster they're building, but it's not likely to happen this season if they stick with Tre Ford as their starter.  I take comfort hoping he may end up being their weakest point.

we've seen this before with Edmonton and Hamilton where they change over their rosters dramatically. It takes time especially with only two preseason games. By the time they figure it  out its a real uphill battle
  I will say that under the Hervey regime they are doing it a lot smarter than jones. Rather than investing in high end receivers' put the money in the trenches, and invest in quality canadian starters.

Quote from: Pete on February 08, 2025, 07:44:04 PMwe've seen this before with Edmonton and Hamilton where they change over their rosters dramatically. It takes time especially with only two preseason games. By the time they figure it  out its a real uphill battle
  I will say that under the Hervey regime they are doing it a lot smarter than jones. Rather than investing in high end receivers' put the money in the trenches, and invest in quality canadian starters.

Elks have been down too long, I think they're ready to turn the corner, expecting a few surprises in the West this season, but hard to say which teams will rise up the quickest or become the strongest. The Riders have made a lot of improvements to their roster, if they get good QBing they could become a challenger.

1.) who is their QB, off coordinator and their O line?
2.) do they have a RB?

Harvey destroyed the team by the time he left last time. No successful track record. Why select him? Oh well. Free spot on the bingo card.they did sign notable free agents.

Killam will bring alot of energy to the clubhouse and a chip on his shoulder to prove to everyone he's HC material. I think Edmonton will be a battling team, will run the ball alot with Leake and Brown and Ford, and they'll beat Calgary and Sask and be in the thick of things with us and BC.

No experienced head coach, with only special teams knowledge.  Good grief. I s Charlie Brown the Assistant Head Coach? Lol!

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 08, 2025, 06:12:04 PMLike most teams it depends on how successful the starting QB does. Ford may do well or he may get injured as a running style QB. Defences will adjust to keep in the pocket and that limits him to a degree.

My prediction?  QB Ford will lose, lose, lose.  And it will be panic time in EDM, and they'll switch to their backup.  Then it'll be QB carousel time.

Remember the last time we faced EDM?  We eviscerated Ford.

Edit: It would be fun to see EDM rise enough to beat down SSK (and maybe BC) though!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2025, 06:14:38 AMMy prediction?  QB Ford will lose, lose, lose.  And it will be panic time in EDM, and they'll switch to their backup.  Then it'll be QB carousel time.

Remember the last time we faced EDM?  We eviscerated Ford.

Edit: It would be fun to see EDM rise enough to beat down SSK (and maybe BC) though!

Elks do also have Fajardo and that puts them in a similar issue to 2024 when they had MBT. It could devolve into a QB controversy is they struggle.

They've added some really good talent. It will come at the cost of other top talent like G. Lewis.

Pre season is always interesting. With all the player movement, making a guess at the rankings will be tough.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2025, 06:14:38 AMMy prediction?  QB Ford will lose, lose, lose.  And it will be panic time in EDM, and they'll switch to their backup.  Then it'll be QB carousel time.

Remember the last time we faced EDM?  We eviscerated Ford.

Edit: It would be fun to see EDM rise enough to beat down SSK (and maybe BC) though!

Agreed the amazing ability to run around the backfield forever without heading up field will not equate to wins, either Ford masters the basics and plays between the lines or Fajardo will take over the job as their starting QB. 

Never thought of this before, but I guess it was Jarious Jackson that fuddled around between the 2 QB's last year and frittered away their momentum.  Fan support was bad in Edmonton the last few seasons, so there is the possibility he was being instructed on roster decisions from above to improve attendance.

My prediction... Edmonton will be way better than last year. Ford's ability to run will drive defences crazy & his ability to extend plays will wear out defences. They will be most dangerous at the end of the season because it will take them a while to get all the new players playing together. 

Quote from: TBURGESS on February 09, 2025, 04:30:37 PMMy prediction... Edmonton will be way better than last year. Ford's ability to run will drive defences crazy & his ability to extend plays will wear out defences. They will be most dangerous at the end of the season because it will take them a while to get all the new players playing together.

If Edmonton signs all the D players they have made offers to, there D should also be very good. 

Quote from: Pigskin on February 09, 2025, 05:22:39 PMIf Edmonton signs all the D players they have made offers to, there D should also be very good. 

Maybe but they also have 21 potential free agents. Of that total, many have accepted offers elsewhere. It may fall more on their coaches than roster entirely.

On paper they appear the most improved.

Quote from: DM83 on February 09, 2025, 03:30:44 AMNo experienced head coach, with only special teams knowledge.  Good grief. I s Charlie Brown the Assistant Head Coach? Lol!

Yeah, what kinda team would make a special teams coordinator a head coach!! Unfathomable :-X

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2025, 04:24:27 PMAgreed the amazing ability to run around the backfield forever without heading up field will not equate to wins, either Ford masters the basics and plays between the lines or Fajardo will take over the job as their starting QB. 

Never thought of this before, but I guess it was Jarious Jackson that fuddled around between the 2 QB's last year and frittered away their momentum.  Fan support was bad in Edmonton the last few seasons, so there is the possibility he was being instructed on roster decisions from above to improve attendance.

Not sure if it was Jackson that fuddled, or the fuddling was the reason Jackson took over.  After he was in charge, less fuddling.

Has Jackson won anything as a coach?

Quote from: DM83 on February 09, 2025, 06:23:22 PMHas Jackson won anything as a coach?

2015 was QB coach for GC winning Edm

Thank you.

Like to see us sign a vet DB, in the next couple of days.

Quote from: Pigskin on February 09, 2025, 09:44:37 PMLike to see us sign a vet DB, in the next couple of days.

Like a backup?  Our DB starters are fully rostered...

Scratch the Cameron Dukes rumour, the Bombers have signed ex-Rider Shea Patterson.

https://3downnation.com/2025/02/09/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-former-riders-qb-shea-patterson/

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2025, 09:48:57 PMScratch the Cameron Dukes rumour, the Bombers have signed ex-Rider Shea Patterson.

https://3downnation.com/2025/02/09/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-former-riders-qb-shea-patterson/

Well, let's just hope Zach plays all 18 and then re-signs for another year.

I m good with Patterson as our backup, he's as good as any backup in the league and didn't cost us a mint.

DBs are a dime a dozen. Why the concern?

Quote from: DM83 on February 10, 2025, 04:21:20 AMDBs are a dime a dozen. Why the concern?

It's not a concern but it doesn't hurt depth if he's affordable. The position of safety is still open at the moment and there may be thought involving that at the moment.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 10, 2025, 03:16:31 PMIt's not a concern but it doesn't hurt depth if he's affordable. The position of safety is still open at the moment and there may be thought involving that at the moment.

There are a ton of Safety options already coming to camp, including recent Nat signings. 

We will have lots of DB's in camp to challenge for backup/PR spots.  No need to sign a retread. 

Quote from: theaardvark on February 10, 2025, 04:44:41 PMThere are a ton of Safety options already coming to camp, including recent Nat signings. 

We will have lots of DB's in camp to challenge for backup/PR spots.  No need to sign a retread. 

Experience over the unknown is the difference.  Sure we may have a current rookie or two that might turn out well. We didn't really have that in 2024. We aren't even sure if we'll move to a Canadian or an import at safety.

For that matter, it's not 100% certain we don't re-sign Alexander.

There are lots of rookie receivers coming to TC. It doesn't mean we wouldn't prefer G. Lewis ( SMS aside ).

Dolegala, Streveler and Patterson are all re-treads at QB. Cobb, Mitchell and White are all re-treads by your definition.

So what players that might be available would be a cost effective addition? Is a 4th year DL not a re-tread but a 4th year DB is a retread?

DB might be one of the easier positions to find and fill. That said, they are generally less expensive than many other positions.

I don't think they bring Alexander back.  He is still capable, but so might a first or second year Canadian.

Quote from: DM83 on February 10, 2025, 05:28:18 PMI don't think they bring Alexander back.  He is still capable, but so might a first or second year Canadian.

I agree that it doesn't appear that Alexander is returning. Ditto for Noah Hallett.  Nick Hallett has fallen down the depth chart behind Kelly who might be the leading candidate at safety as far as Canadian DB's.

Others have suggested moving Kramdi. I don't know if that is a good idea but we only have 2 Canadian DB's on the roster at the moment.

There are lots of import DB's coming to TC and I suppose some will get a look at safety and as a DI.

Essentially we don't know what we have quite yet. I can imagine that Griffin who is already on the roster might get a look at safety, SAM and everywhere as depth in the secondary. He's experienced and played very well.

 :) yup Halley would seem to be the guy pencilled in., or anyone if the two dozen DBs they are offering contracts to.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 10, 2025, 05:17:37 PMExperience over the unknown is the difference.  Sure we may have a current rookie or two that might turn out well. We didn't really have that in 2024. We aren't even sure if we'll move to a Canadian or an import at safety.

For that matter, it's not 100% certain we don't re-sign Alexander.

There are lots of rookie receivers coming to TC. It doesn't mean we wouldn't prefer G. Lewis ( SMS aside ).

Dolegala, Streveler and Patterson are all re-treads at QB. Cobb, Mitchell and White are all re-treads by your definition.

So what players that might be available would be a cost effective addition? Is a 4th year DL not a re-tread but a 4th year DB is a retread?

DB might be one of the easier positions to find and fill. That said, they are generally less expensive than many other positions.

Well, Bonds was a rookie last year, worked out well.

FS: We just signed Haggarty, we have Griffin and Kelly, also Toles and Rogers who are larger DB's coming to camp, we have lots of LB's, so Kramdi could move to FS. 

Retreads are different than proven player signings.  Vaughters, White, Mitchell are not retreads.  Cobb, Haggerty are Nats trying to prove their worth, and potential backups.  Experience is one thing, proven competence is quite another.

There will be unsigned players that get TC invites and a chance to prove they deserve another look for sure.  Considering our current depth, I think there is more chance for a scouted rookie to land a starting or backup role in our secondary than player that their current team has passed on.

Quote from: theaardvark on February 10, 2025, 05:53:04 PMWell, Bonds was a rookie last year, worked out well.

FS: We just signed Haggarty, we have Griffin and Kelly, also Toles and Rogers who are larger DB's coming to camp, we have lots of LB's, so Kramdi could move to FS. 

Retreads are different than proven player signings.  Vaughters, White, Mitchell are not retreads.  Cobb, Haggerty are Nats trying to prove their worth, and potential backups.  Experience is one thing, proven competence is quite another.

There will be unsigned players that get TC invites and a chance to prove they deserve another look for sure.  Considering our current depth, I think there is more chance for a scouted rookie to land a starting or backup role in our secondary than player that their current team has passed on.

Depends on where you want to draw a line on re-tread versus experience, versus potential.

I'm not proposing we sign a veteran DB but there are some very talented DB's available with both experience and very good play. I won't be alarmed if we do or don't sign one but I'm not against it either.

The only decent dbs that are left are Purifoy and Ciante Evans.
The main questions I have with current toster are
1 we've lost 5 cdns, Dobson,Ford,Woli,Feltmate and Augustine. Who are we adding? By most accounts the draft is weaker be lucky to get 2 on the starting roster.(We did sign Haggarty who has mainly been on st)
2 Safety position is a question, Kelly may or may not be ready, I'd like to see Griffin but what are options
3 Again this year we  are thin at DE. We need a few more options

Quote from: Pete on February 10, 2025, 11:10:35 PMThe only decent dbs that are left are Purifoy and Ciante Evans.
The main questions I have with current toster are
1 we've lost 5 cdns, Dobson,Ford,Woli,Feltmate and Augustine. Who are we adding? By most accounts the draft is weaker be lucky to get 2 on the starting roster.(We did sign Haggarty who has mainly been on st)
2 Safety position is a question, Kelly may or may not be ready, I'd like to see Griffin but what are options
3 Again this year we  are thin at DE. We need a few more options

agree all

I am worried the most about our OL, heart of the club.  Next is improve the DL.  Third CDN depth and last find a stud on the back end (DB/safety).  We are close but missing a couple corner pieces and a few easy ones in the middle.  I have faith we will sign a few players to fill some holes, draft will help and we will have a few pleasant surprises at camp.  So excited for this season.  Even moved my winter holiday so make sure I am here for playoffs and GC, after missing that for many years straight!

When did we lose Feltmate and Augustine?

Quote from: DM83 on February 11, 2025, 01:19:10 AMWhen did we lose Feltmate and Augustine?

IIRC Feltmate retired and Augustine hasn't been re-signed YET.

Thank you.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 11, 2025, 01:22:46 AMIIRC Feltmate retired and Augustine hasn't been re-signed YET.

Right, free agency officially begins tomorrow at noon.

Augustine I thought was signed last year.  He's a good player.
Was feltmate the word position guy who sometimes lined up in the backfield?  What did he do exactly?

Speaking of what did he do, what's up with Lucky Whitehead?

Augustine signed for 2024.  Currently a free agent.
Feltmate was occasionally in the backfield, primarily as a blocker.
Lucky Whitehead was average as a kick returner (IMHO) and fumbled returns on a couple of occasions. I doubt he will be back.

Quote from: ModAdmin on February 11, 2025, 05:57:37 AMLucky Whitehead was average as a kick returner (IMHO) and fumbled returns on a couple of occasions. I doubt he will be back.

That's a generous way of saying what I'm thinking...  :o  :-\  :-X

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2025, 04:24:27 PMNever thought of this before, but I guess it was Jarious Jackson that fuddled around between the 2 QB's last year and frittered away their momentum.

That's the main reason I was so meh on the Jarious thread!  He did bupkiss in EDM last year.  They stunk before, they stunk after.  They lucked into a couple of more wins then stunk again to miss the playoffs.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 11, 2025, 10:51:45 AMThat's the main reason I was so meh on the Jarious thread!  He did bupkiss in EDM last year.  They stunk before, they stunk after.  They lucked into a couple of more wins then stunk again to miss the playoffs.

Edmonton had the 2nd highest scoring offence. Only behind the Argos by 9 points. It's fair to point out the Elks were always in catch up mode and taking more risk on offence.

However they put points on the board. So I wouldn't say Jackson did nothing.

I have nothing logical to say.
My concern is all as they say "pedigree"

The OC has nothing to warrant such a promotion.  My janitor is very hard working, but someone doesn't think he deserves the keys to run the place.

And the QB coach, isn't really climbing. The ladder to success.  He was head coach, now he is  only a QB coach. ****! I just can't get excited about that!

Quote from: DM83 on February 11, 2025, 01:48:02 PMI have nothing logical to say.
My concern is all as they say "pedigree"

The OC has nothing to warrant such a promotion.  My janitor is very hard working, but someone doesn't think he deserves the keys to run the place.

And the QB coach, isn't really climbing. The ladder to success.  He was head coach, now he is  only a QB coach. ****! I just can't get excited about that!

Comparing your janitor situation to our OC promotion shows a complete lack of respect imo.  Our QB coach has a ton of experience that will benefit us greatly imo.

I think receivers we will miss Wolitarsky and Lawler but they were so often injured, we are better off paying other younger receivers. Ontaria Wilson was a major find but American receivers are a dime a dozen so I am sure we can probably find someone to replace him soon enough. Our defence will lack the veteran presence of Bighill no doubt. Hope someone else steps up and takes his place on the team.

Look, the OC coached in the CIS.  Some programs fielded awesome teams. Some not so much. Yes I don't respect the hiring.  I doubt his experience will be respected by American or Canadians who played in systems under expectations of winning with that kind of pressure.

A former assistant to an assistant coach who has worked his way up through the ranks.  Certainly a great success story.  But really, compared to Lapo, or Buck?

The guy has no OC experience in competitive programs? I just don't see any proof of prior success. Congrats! But how is this guy going to provide anything to Zac?

The new OC and QB coach will work in tandem to present Zach with a good offensive plan imo.  Our OC knows our players and playback.  New QB coach will bring a nice new flavor imo.

I wonder if we see Collaros get more leash under this new tandem. He's certainly capable considering how well he sees the field.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 12, 2025, 04:14:40 PMI wonder if we see Collaros get more leash under this new tandem. He's certainly capable considering how well he sees the field.

In what way could he have more leash?

Quote from: Jesse on February 12, 2025, 04:39:51 PMIn what way could he have more leash?

Getting to call audibles on the field and using the hard count are the two immediate examples that jump out for me.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 12, 2025, 04:49:26 PMGetting to call audibles on the field and using the hard count are the two immediate examples that jump out for me.

I just don't think there's anything that Zach could do that he wouldn't already be able to do if he wanted.

Riders just signed Sean Mcewan ,would have liked to sign him here
But it seems like we cant/won't outbid anyone for potential starters

Quote from: Pete on February 12, 2025, 06:57:25 PMRiders just signed Sean Mcewan ,would have liked to sign him here
But it seems like we cant/won't outbid anyone for potential starters

We could go after Chungh, that would be an nice upgrade from Dobson.

Quote from: Jesse on February 12, 2025, 06:53:34 PMI just don't think there's anything that Zach could do that he wouldn't already be able to do if he wanted.

Agree, I think Zach had free reign to do whatever he wanted with Buck and won't be shy to tell Hogan exactly what he prefers, as it's his offence.  His favourite play is throwing a 40 yd pass in 2nd and 6 situations that goes for a quick TD. Easy peasy, shoot the moon.

A guy that's flying under the radar is Marvin Pierre 6'1" 221 LB out of Kent State. This guy has a noise for the ball and has excellent closing speed.

Quote from: Pigskin on February 12, 2025, 07:03:54 PMWe could go after Chungh, that would be an nice upgrade from Dobson.

Is he still an upgrade or are we imagining a player that doesn't exist anymore?

Quote from: Jesse on February 12, 2025, 07:16:08 PMIs he still an upgrade or are we imagining a player that doesn't exist anymore?

Sukh will only be 33 this season. He has only missed 3 games in the past 3 years. I think the Bombers would be a nice fit for him.

Quote from: Pigskin on February 12, 2025, 07:23:04 PMSukh will only be 33 this season. He has only missed 3 games in the past 3 years. I think the Bombers would be a nice fit for him.

He was here originally, but elected to leave, we want people who WANT to be here, pass on Chung.

Quote from: Horseman on February 12, 2025, 09:03:57 PMHe was here originally, but elected to leave, we want people who WANT to be here, pass on Chung.

Chungh played college ball in Cgy. at the U of C, could see him signing with the Stamps if they want him.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 12, 2025, 09:12:24 PMChungh played college ball in Cgy. at the U of C, could see him signing with the Stamps if they want him.

Chung left for home province and big paycheck, doesn't mean he wouldn't be an asset. The fitting in thing is beginning to be an excuse

I don't hold any grudges against Chungh coming back, heck he's just human, he wants to make the most money in his limited playing time. My dream FA ask would have been McEwen at Centre and Chungh at LG, McEwen is gone, I am hoping we can land a Chungh type calibre guard to come in and solidify things up in the middle on our OL

Quote from: Jesse on February 12, 2025, 07:16:08 PMIs he still an upgrade or are we imagining a player that doesn't exist anymore?

He was one of the league top-3 OGs when he left, IMHO.  Now he might not be a top-5.  Probably top-10 though, and thus a good pick-up if he doesn't break the bank.  Getting Desjar back would be more impactful, though!

If we have the ratio room, just go with Randolph at OG, and pocket the massive savings!!

Quote from: DM83 on February 12, 2025, 12:40:19 PMThe guy has no OC experience in competitive programs? I just don't see any proof of prior success. Congrats! But how is this guy going to provide anything to Zac?

Everyone has to start somewhere.  Since his pay is probably tiny, there's no downside to giving him a shot... if he stinks, we can pick up McAdoo or promote Jarious mid-season!

I'm all for "The Expriment"!  Let's see what he's got.  If he's BOLD, smart and creative, them I'm all in.

Quote from: DM83 on February 11, 2025, 01:48:02 PMAnd the QB coach, isn't really climbing. The ladder to success.  He was head coach, now he is  only a QB coach. ****! I just can't get excited about that!

There is a chance that Jarious & Hall situations are creative ways to deal with the very tight coaches cap...

It's a fricken Grey Cup year! And you want experiment and someone has to start somewhere?

Quote from: DM83 on February 13, 2025, 05:18:19 AMIt's a fricken Grey Cup year! And you want experiment and someone has to start somewhere? Are you nuts?

He's been with the organization.  O'Shea, Walters and company know him far better than any of us here.  They hired him for reasons they believe will see him successful. You call it an "experiment"  They call it "progression".  Given their experience, I will defer to them for the time being.

Quote from: DM83 on February 13, 2025, 05:18:19 AMIt's a fricken Grey Cup year! And you want experiment and someone has to start somewhere? Are you nuts?

It's pretty much the WFC/Mafia M.O. to promote from within after a couple of seasons of grooming.  So in that sense it's not an experiment at all.

Going out and hiring McAdoo and blowing up the entire O training and calling scheme would be an experiment!

Besides, from our FA moves so far you would think this was "just another season".  I see no moves at all that look like there's any special thought being given to the fact it's a "fricken Grey Cup year".

Business as usual.  It's worked so far!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 13, 2025, 06:35:57 AMIt's pretty much the WFC/Mafia M.O. to promote from within after a couple of seasons of grooming.  So in that sense it's not an experiment at all.

Going out and hiring McAdoo and blowing up the entire O training and calling scheme would be an experiment!

Besides, from our FA moves so far you would think this was "just another season".  I see no moves at all that look like there's any special thought being given to the fact it's a "fricken Grey Cup year".

Business as usual.  It's worked so far!

When have they promoted after a couple of years of grooming?

Buck played professionally for 9 years and then coached for 6, moving from RB coach, to QB coach, to OC in his 7th year of coaching.

Younger played for 13 years and coached for another 11 years, the last 6 of those with the Bombers.

Hogan may turn out just fine, but this is not the MO at all. His only CFL experience is these 3 years as an RB coach.

Quote from: ModAdmin on February 13, 2025, 06:06:34 AMHe's been with the organization.  O'Shea, Walters and company know him far better than any of us here.  They hired him for reasons they believe will see him successful. You call it an "experiment"  They call it "progression".  Given their experience, I will defer to them for the time being.

Facts are presented above, heavy agree all

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 13, 2025, 06:35:57 AMIt's pretty much the WFC/Mafia M.O. to promote from within after a couple of seasons of grooming.  So in that sense it's not an experiment at all.

Going out and hiring McAdoo and blowing up the entire O training and calling scheme would be an experiment!

Besides, from our FA moves so far you would think this was "just another season".  I see no moves at all that look like there's any special thought being given to the fact it's a "fricken Grey Cup year".

Business as usual.  It's worked so far!

Agree all

Quote from: Jesse on February 13, 2025, 10:54:40 AMWhen have they promoted after a couple of years of grooming?

Buck played professionally for 9 years and then coached for 6, moving from RB coach, to QB coach, to OC in his 7th year of coaching.

Younger played for 13 years and coached for another 11 years, the last 6 of those with the Bombers.

Hogan may turn out just fine, but this is not the MO at all. His only CFL experience is these 3 years as an RB coach.

I believe it is their MO, next man up is how its done in Bomber ville.  We develop our players and coaches and we promote them when ready.

Quote from: DM83 on February 13, 2025, 05:18:19 AMIt's a fricken Grey Cup year! And you want experiment and someone has to start somewhere? Are you nuts?

Yeah, he's sucked so bad coaching BO20 to running title after running title... you really have no idea, do you?

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 13, 2025, 06:35:57 AMIt's pretty much the WFC/Mafia M.O. to promote from within after a couple of seasons of grooming.  So in that sense it's not an experiment at all.

Going out and hiring McAdoo and blowing up the entire O training and calling scheme would be an experiment!

Besides, from our FA moves so far you would think this was "just another season".  I see no moves at all that look like there's any special thought being given to the fact it's a "fricken Grey Cup year".

Business as usual.  It's worked so far!

A lot of the experimenting has already taken place, player-wise. We put a team on the field that took us to yet another Grey Cup appearance in spite of Chicken Little. Frankly, every year is a Grey Cup year and no other CFL team in the last 5 years has been as successful as we have at making it to the Big Show. Why is that? It has become apparent to me that it has less to do with the players we sign as it does the process we use. Whatever this club is doing works and I see no reason to believe it won't work again as long as we have Wade Miller, Kyle Walters, and Mike O'Shea steering the ship.

The "Grey Cup Year" has huge $$$ implications.

We own the game, so getting max crowd, with max concessions means max profit.  And our team being in the game means just that.  If we aren't, there will be stubhub tickets for the game at $50, and probably 10k empty seats.

Could be a swing of a million dollars in club profit.

So, spending a little over the cap is OK.

Question, what is the penalty for going over the Front Office cap?  Purely monetary?  Is there ever a draft pick at risk?  Or other sanctions?

 Going over, and maybe losing a draft pick?  A Canadian draft pick? Oh my god! The number .1 draft pick?  Come on you guys.  Sign a game changer, for a can draft pick?  Signing rourkes little brother, and we go over the cap?  Shame, shame.  A franchise player vs. a cdn draft pick. Come on!

Quote from: DM83 on February 13, 2025, 05:57:47 PMGoing over, and maybe losing a draft pick?  A Canadian draft pick? Oh my god! The number .1 draft pick?  Come on you guys.  Sign a game changer, for a can draft pick?  Signing rourkes little brother, and we go over the cap?  Shame, shame.  A franchise player vs. a cdn draft pick. Come on!

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Any opinions on these players?
Since O line is an area of concern for people.

Kendall Randolph -60  OL  A  re-signed May 21 2024        2025
Micah Vanterpool -68  OL  A  signed Feb 2 2024        2025
Chris Walker  OL  A  signed Dec 6 2024    2025  2026
Antonio Garcia  OL  A  signed Jan 13 2025    2025  2026

Quote from: markf on February 13, 2025, 07:56:31 PMAny opinions on these players?
Since O line is an area of concern for people.

Kendall Randolph -60  OL  A  re-signed May 21 2024        2025
Micah Vanterpool -68  OL  A  signed Feb 2 2024        2025
Chris Walker  OL  A  signed Dec 6 2024    2025  2026
Antonio Garcia  OL  A  signed Jan 13 2025    2025  2026

I don't think we expect to go with 3 imports on the OL. Randolph and Vanterpool might be in competition at RT with Lofton and as emergency depth on the PR. That's if they are willing to stay on the PR again.

The other two will battle the two from 2024 but will they replace one or the other? Possibly but it might come down to who is willing to sit on the PR as mentioned.

That's not to say none are any good, but ratio and roster size come into play.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 13, 2025, 10:07:52 PMI don't think we expect to go with 3 imports on the OL. Randolph and Vanterpool might be in competition at RT with Lofton and as emergency depth on the PR. That's if they are willing to stay on the PR again.

The other two will battle the two from 2024 but will they replace one or the other? Possibly but it might come down to who is willing to sit on the PR as mentioned.

That's not to say none are any good, but ratio and roster size come into play.

In his press conference Walters praised Gabe Wallace but also said they would be looking at a few Americans along the O-line. He indicated there will be more competition than normal this TC and a lot of experienced Natl's will be competing for undecided support roles to fill out the roster.

Quote from: theaardvark on February 13, 2025, 03:59:43 PMWe own the game, so getting max crowd, with max concessions means max profit.  And our team being in the game means just that.  If we aren't, there will be stubhub tickets for the game at $50, and probably 10k empty seats.

I'd say as long as WPG or SSK makes it into the cup the game will do ok $$.  So WM should pray the season turns out similar to last year: WPG/SSK in WDF.  Then it won't really matter who wins.

That said, it'll suck to sit there amongst a sea of intoxicated green in -20C weather... especially if they win!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 14, 2025, 06:09:42 AMI'd say as long as WPG or SSK makes it into the cup the game will do ok $$.  So WM should pray the season turns out similar to last year: WPG/SSK in WDF.  Then it won't really matter who wins.

That said, it'll suck to sit there amongst a sea of intoxicated green in -20C weather... especially if they win!

If the Bombers can get to the GC the home crowd could give them a 60% chance of winning, as long as conditions are not frigid.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on February 07, 2025, 11:26:02 PMDo we still have 2023 1st rnd pick Anthony Bennett under contract?  He was injured early in camp lastyear.

Anthony Bennett signed by Montreal.

https://3downnation.com/2025/02/18/montreal-alouettes-sign-former-first-round-cfl-draft-pick-anthony-bennett/

Bennett sounds like a good one. Maybe his experience with the Bombers showed him what was expected. He sure was in over his head as a Bomber.

Quote from: Waffler on February 19, 2025, 01:08:25 PMAnthony Bennett signed by Montreal.

https://3downnation.com/2025/02/18/montreal-alouettes-sign-former-first-round-cfl-draft-pick-anthony-bennett/

Surprised the Als took a flyer on him, the Bombers gave him a fair amount of playing time in 2023 and he was unable to contribute much opposite Willie.

Our starting Canadians would be:
2 x IOL
1 x RB/FB
2 x WR/SB
1 x DL
1 x LB

It was nice having all the flexibility last season that Ford provided but we will make it work. I would like to see Sterns on the field so I'm desperate for some flexibility.

There is one position on each side of the line that we can put a National if we need but I don't love either option:
Left Guard - Projected starter seems to be Randolph, but I could see Wallace subbing in a pinch. Better as a run blocker but if he improves as a pass blocking lineman, he should get a crack at that spot.

Safety - Projected will probably be Griffen or Alexander (if he signs) to start the season. How bad was Kelly last season in spot duty? I seem to remember his name coming up on occasion and not in a good way. I don't think either of the Hallett bros are the answer either. I'd love to see a safety drafted this season!

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2025, 04:05:13 PMSurprised the Als took a flyer on him, the Bombers gave him a fair amount of playing time in 2023 and he was unable to contribute much opposite Willie.

I m surprised we gave up on him so quick after wasting our #1 pick on him.

Quote from: dd on February 19, 2025, 05:44:39 PMI m surprised we gave up on him so quick after wasting our #1 pick on him.

2023 wasn't a great year for the draft but they still have a few solid players that might pan out.  Critical year for a few to step up.


Round   Pick   Player   Position   University Team   Hometown
1   8   Anthony Bennett   DL   Regina   Weston, FL
2   15   Jake Kelly   DB   Bishop's   Markham, ON
3   26   Jeremy Murphy   WR   Concordia (QC)   Montreal, QC
4   35   Tanner Schmekel   DL   Regina   Regina, SK
5   44   Collin Kornelson   DL   Manitoba   Winnipeg, MB
6   53   Breton MacDougall   DB   Windsor   LaSalle, ON
7   62   Jonathan Rosery   RB   Alberta   Edmonton, AB
8   71   Max Charbonneau   LB   Ottawa   Ottawa, ON

I thought Bennett would be back here based on what was said on day one of last year's camp.  I've never been able to find out what the injury was.  Maybe the bombers know he is not recovered enough?

Anthony Bennett, the Bombers first-round draft pick (eighth overall) in 2023, was surprisingly released on Sunday, but it doesn't sound like this is the end of his time in Winnipeg. 

Bennett, who appeared in every game for the Bombers last year, is hurt and the team simply couldn't afford to hold a roster spot for him during training camp.

Should the Canadian defensive end choose to stick around, the Bombers intend to help him rehab his injury so he can eventually get back on the roster.

"We're certainly not writing him off," O'Shea said. "We picked him for a reason and we like him. He's just not healthy right now."

Quote from: Waffler on February 19, 2025, 07:00:12 PMI thought Bennett would be back here based on what was said on day one of last year's camp.  I've never been able to find out what the injury was.  Maybe the bombers know he is not recovered enough?

Anthony Bennett, the Bombers first-round draft pick (eighth overall) in 2023, was surprisingly released on Sunday, but it doesn't sound like this is the end of his time in Winnipeg. 

Bennett, who appeared in every game for the Bombers last year, is hurt and the team simply couldn't afford to hold a roster spot for him during training camp.

Should the Canadian defensive end choose to stick around, the Bombers intend to help him rehab his injury so he can eventually get back on the roster.

"We're certainly not writing him off," O'Shea said. "We picked him for a reason and we like him. He's just not healthy right now."

This is upsetting that we lost our #1 pick last year because he was injured. Why not put him on the 6 game IR vs release him. Now he's gone. Dang, that's a massive brain fart in roster management!!

Quote from: dd on February 19, 2025, 11:33:02 PMThis is upsetting that we lost our #1 pick last year because he was injured. Why not put him on the 6 game IR vs release him. Now he's gone. Dang, that's a massive brain fart in roster management!!

He was a useless pick who is already 29 years old.

Quote from: Jesse on February 20, 2025, 01:46:49 AMHe was a useless pick who is already 29 years old.

That's not what O Shea said. He said they picked him for a reason and they liked him and they're not writing him off, then release him. Wow, say one thing, do another.

Quote from: dd on February 20, 2025, 02:30:54 AMThat's not what O Shead said. He said they picked him for a reason and they liked him and they're not writing him off, then release him. Wow, say one thing, do another.

You know OSH, he's not going to go out and say someone isn't good enough.

Even if it's true, once we released him, anyone was free to sign him. Maybe he didn't want to come back to the team who cut him.

It was a crappy pick. It sucked. But at least we're not continuing to waste time on him.

Quote from: LXTSN on February 19, 2025, 04:33:05 PMOur starting Canadians would be:
2 x IOL
1 x RB/FB
2 x WR/SB
1 x DL
1 x LB

It was nice having all the flexibility last season that Ford provided but we will make it work. I would like to see Sterns on the field so I'm desperate for some flexibility.

There is one position on each side of the line that we can put a National if we need but I don't love either option:
Left Guard - Projected starter seems to be Randolph, but I could see Wallace subbing in a pinch. Better as a run blocker but if he improves as a pass blocking lineman, he should get a crack at that spot.

Safety - Projected will probably be Griffen or Alexander (if he signs) to start the season. How bad was Kelly last season in spot duty? I seem to remember his name coming up on occasion and not in a good way. I don't think either of the Hallett bros are the answer either. I'd love to see a safety drafted this season!

Bombers signed 3 import receivers with CFL experience. We also have Wheatfall competing for a spot on the AR and probably a dozen or more rookies for TC.

Barring injury, it's hard to know which of them won't fit on the AR roster ratio wise. We'll only have 3 imports starting and Schoen is going to be one if healthy. Just a guess but I think Sterns will be behind Mitchell, Schoen and White on the depth chart.

We'll already have Logan as a back up receiver so someone like Sterns won't be a DI used there and as a back up receiver.  We might elect to put one on the 1 game IR rather than see them leave due to an offer to sit on the PR.

Obviously we're hoping O. Wilson returns quickly as well or that we find the next one in TC.

 

Quote from: dd on February 20, 2025, 02:30:54 AMThat's not what O Shead said. He said they picked him for a reason and they liked him and they're not writing him off, then release him. Wow, say one thing, do another.

Not surprised Bennet isn't here, just surprised Hamilton didn't sign him

lol!
Mr. Bennett was awesome on paper. He needs to be converted to a LB. But I wonder about his agility and ability to read plays. What a great career in amateur ball.

Quote from: DM83 on February 21, 2025, 11:47:29 AMlol!
Mr. Bennett was awesome on paper. He needs to be converted to a LB. But I wonder about his agility and ability to read plays. What a great career in amateur ball.

Great career playing against kids 5 years younger than he was.

Quote from: Jesse on February 21, 2025, 02:44:52 PMGreat career playing against kids 5 years younger than he was.

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Quote from: Blue In BC on February 20, 2025, 01:22:44 PMBombers signed 3 import receivers with CFL experience. We also have Wheatfall competing for a spot on the AR and probably a dozen or more rookies for TC.

Barring injury, it's hard to know which of them won't fit on the AR roster ratio wise. We'll only have 3 imports starting and Schoen is going to be one if healthy. Just a guess but I think Sterns will be behind Mitchell, Schoen and White on the depth chart.

We'll already have Logan as a back up receiver so someone like Sterns won't be a DI used there and as a back up receiver.  We might elect to put one on the 1 game IR rather than see them leave due to an offer to sit on the PR.

Obviously we're hoping O. Wilson returns quickly as well or that we find the next one in TC.

 

I have a problem getting over attached to this type of player! It's a lot of fun to watch YAC yard heavy receivers.
Needless to say, it's a great problem to have. We have a lot of great talent and depth at the WR position.

Is it a hot take to say we are better on paper this year than last year?
OL - Randolph for Dobson, everyone else a little older. Slightly better.
RB - Logan for Augustine. Upgraded and more versitile
WR - Lawler out, White, Mitchell and Sterns in. Deeper for sure, arguably a better starting lineup.
QB - Same as last year most likely.

DL - Lawson back, lost Garbutt and Haba. Much worse... we NEED some pass rushing here. Worse.
LB - Full season of the Jones's should be better than the carousel of LB's last season. Better.
DB/S - Lost Ford but we are so deep at this position, I think we'll be okay. Worse.

Better offense and now we still have some money we can spend on a DE or a Canadian safety.

Quote from: LXTSN on February 21, 2025, 06:03:50 PMI have a problem getting over attached to this type of player! It's a lot of fun to watch YAC yard heavy receivers.
Needless to say, it's a great problem to have. We have a lot of great talent and depth at the WR position.

Is it a hot take to say we are better on paper this year than last year?
OL - Randolph for Dobson, everyone else a little older. Slightly better.
RB - Logan for Augustine. Upgraded and more versitile
WR - Lawler out, White, Mitchell and Sterns in. Deeper for sure, arguably a better starting lineup.
QB - Same as last year most likely.

DL - Lawson back, lost Garbutt and Haba. Much worse... we NEED some pass rushing here. Worse.
LB - Full season of the Jones's should be better than the carousel of LB's last season. Better.
DB/S - Lost Ford but we are so deep at this position, I think we'll be okay. Worse.

Better offense and now we still have some money we can spend on a DE or a Canadian safety.

We brought in Vaughters at DE already, and kept Woods and Adams.  Schmeckle, Lawson, Thomas should be a good rotation with a lot of NATs competing for DE depth.  And we might see some new bodies in camp...

I think our Dline is a definite upgrade, through the addition of a proven bookend for Willie, and the return of Lawson.

Quote from: theaardvark on February 21, 2025, 07:46:28 PMWe brought in Vaughters at DE already, and kept Woods and Adams.  Schmeckle, Lawson, Thomas should be a good rotation with a lot of NATs competing for DE depth.  And we might see some new bodies in camp...

I think our Dline is a definite upgrade, through the addition of a proven bookend for Willie, and the return of Lawson.

Vaughters has experience but I wouldn't say that's a big name signing.
Much worse is an overstatement. I'll take a deep breath...

Quote from: LXTSN on February 21, 2025, 07:50:31 PMVaughters has experience...

Considerably so, which makes him an immediate upgrade. That should help Jefferson and the D-line immensely, IMO.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 21, 2025, 08:08:08 PMConsiderably so, which makes him an immediate upgrade. That should help Jefferson and the D-line immensely, IMO.

Depends on his health and durability, would like to see a few more rotational options at DE.  AC Leonard is still out there.

Quote from: LXTSN on February 21, 2025, 06:03:50 PMIs it a hot take to say we are better on paper this year than last year?
OL - Randolph for Dobson, everyone else a little older. Slightly better.
RB - Logan for Augustine. Upgraded and more versitile
WR - Lawler out, White, Mitchell and Sterns in. Deeper for sure, arguably a better starting lineup.
QB - Same as last year most likely.

DL - Lawson back, lost Garbutt and Haba. Much worse... we NEED some pass rushing here. Worse.
LB - Full season of the Jones's should be better than the carousel of LB's last season. Better.
DB/S - Lost Ford but we are so deep at this position, I think we'll be okay. Worse.

Better offense and now we still have some money we can spend on a DE or a Canadian safety.

I really like what we've done. I've said this before, but our biggest problems last year were a lack of cohesion early on and counting on too many rookies, which led to more inconsistency.

At the start of last season, our OL had never played a game together, our vet receivers got injured early -who were replaced with a rotating cast of rookies, and Brady was out al training camp and didn't appear healthy until a month into the season.

Assuming health, our OL is mostly intact and none of the potential replacements for Dobson are rookies. All of our new receiving candidates have CFL experience. We have a new RB who could be so good for Zach if we incorporate some quick pass outlets instead of always searching for the long bomb.

I've been critical of the Bombers promoting Hogan, but if he can make use of Logan and Streveler in a way that Buck never did, we can be way more effective than last year.

Quote from: Jesse on February 05, 2025, 01:44:23 AMJust wanted to take a look at the position groups so far and see if we think we can see some improvements in some position groups, even though we've seen some big names leave.

Quarterback: Same

Zach's #1. We can all hope for a bounce back season, but hopefully last year is as bad as it gets. Streveler may or may not be back, but we didn't use him to great effect last year anyway, so this position hopefully only has upside from last year.

Runningback: Same

Brady will hopefully not miss TC and start the year off strong. There was also some bad TD luck that hopefully corrects itself. Logan would be a nice complement if we actually choose to make that a part of the gameplan (certainly wasn't a part of Buck's plan).

Receivers: Same?

I know Lawler seems like a loss, but his actual production wont be hard to replace (even if he puts it together and finally manages to play a full season for Hammy - we're comparing the roster to last year). Schoen hopefully gives us everything we wanted and we have Mitchell and White Jr to compete for the #2 while Demski is the vet in the room with Clercius bring a physical presence.

OL: Same/Downgrade?

We lose Dobson, but still have more consistency than we did going into last year with Lofton returning. Instead of depending on multiple rookies, we have guys entering their 2nd year who both have starts under their belt.

DL: Improved?

Willie is Willie. Vaughters should/might give us some extra push from the other side, or at least be more consistent. Lawson coming back hopefully gives us more than we had from the interior. And I'm really excited about year 2 of Adams and Woods.

LB: Same/Improved?

Full year of Tony Jones in the middle. Ayers coming into year 2. Jon Jones one of those guys ready to take a starter role. I think we have an intriguing array of pieces.

Secondary: Downgrade?

On paper, we lost Ford, so it feels like a downgrade. But we've also been here before, DB leaves for NFL or pay day with another team, we replace them with another DB and still lead the league in defensive categories.

I'm pretty comfortable trusting the brain trust on this one.

I am quite sure that the Bombers will find a few gems in training camp that we don't know now but will have an impact on the roster.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 21, 2025, 08:27:53 PMDepends on his health and durability, would like to see a few more rotational options at DE.  AC Leonard is still out there.

That can be said for any player.

Sorry be wiser


Your post is erroneous
RB- Isn't Logan strictly a return guy, and an American?
qB.  No legit backup, plus Zach has a history of significant injuries every few years. We have been lucky.  However, what if?
Receivers? - Schoen had one good year, then has basically either been overweight from his NFL  sojourn, and then last  years injury.  All other guys brought in are middle of the road.
O line- since they are second year guys, they will be good?  If so, how come they have not annointed one of them as the projected left guard?

The Defence seems like they have made an effort to sign improved front seven players.
DBs? Why have they not announced who the safety might be? What's the secret about Alexander? He seemed OK.  No one else has signed him so maybe he is finished? Or the Bombers are signing a few guys and keeping them till a season ticket push starts?

Quote from: DM83 on February 22, 2025, 05:17:47 PMSorry be wiser


Your post is erroneous
RB- Isn't Logan strictly a return guy, and an American?
qB.  No legit backup, plus Zach has a history of significant injuries every few years. We have been lucky.  However, what if?
Receivers? - Schoenberg had one good year, then has basically either been overweight from his NFL  sojourn, and then last  years injury.  All other guys brought in are middle of the road.
O line- since they are second year guys, they will be good?  If so, how come they have not annointed one of them as the projected left guard?

The Defence seems like they have made an effort to sign improved front seven players.
DBs? Why have they not announced who the safety might be? What's the secret about Alexander? He seemed OK.  No one else has signed him so maybe he is finished? Or the Bombers are signing a few guys and keeping them till a season ticket push starts?

This post reads like you don't even watch the Bombers.

 :D lol

Season ticket holder last twenty years, in whatever the lounge is called.
Amateur coach since 1971.

Don't watch much Disney

Quote from: DM83 on February 22, 2025, 05:26:24 PM:D lol

Season ticket holder last twenty years, in whatever the lounge is called.
Amateur coach since 1971.

Don't watch much Disney

unfortunately your posts don't match your conquests.

Lions released their rookie sensation LB, Eley.  I know we have some good talent at the position but should we sign him to a contract and let things sort out in TC.  He was on an ELC so SMS is not an issue if he makes the roster.

The only question is who he might push off the roster. I say this is a no risk idea.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 22, 2025, 05:41:59 PMLions released their rookie sensation LB, Eley.  I know we have some good talent at the position but should we sign him to a contract and let things sort out in TC.  He was on an ELC so SMS is not an issue if he makes the roster.

The only question is who he might push off the roster. I say this is a no risk idea.

Agreed.

Especially with Younger who plays around with his schemes.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 22, 2025, 05:41:59 PMLions released their rookie sensation LB, Eley.  I know we have some good talent at the position but should we sign him to a contract and let things sort out in TC.  He was on an ELC so SMS is not an issue if he makes the roster.

The only question is who he might push off the roster. I say this is a no risk idea.

Why would they release a "rookie sensation" on an ELC?

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 23, 2025, 12:23:19 AMWhy would they release a "rookie sensation" on an ELC?

Good question but nothing has been mentioned on Lionbackers. The Lions did sign M.Awe during the tampering period and a few others at the position.

It could have been a numbers issue or a personality problem. I'm not suggesting that was the case but it is an odd decision on their part.  He may have even asked for his release to get more playing time / income in the USFL, with a promise to return before TC.

Bombers could ask Pierce for a reference. We'll see if he signs elsewhere.

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 23, 2025, 01:54:27 PMGood question but nothing has been mentioned on Lionbackers. The Lions did sign M.Awe during the tampering period and a few others at the position.

It could have been a numbers issue or a personality problem. I'm not suggesting that was the case but it is an odd decision on their part.  He may have even asked for his release to get more playing time / income in the USFL, with a promise to return before TC.

Bombers could ask Pierce for a reference. We'll see if he signs elsewhere.

Already signed with Ottawa, I believe.

Quote from: Jesse on February 23, 2025, 03:45:11 PMAlready signed with Ottawa, I believe.

I see that was commented on Good Morning Big Blue as well. Oh well.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 23, 2025, 12:23:19 AMWhy would they release a "rookie sensation" on an ELC?

Especially in SMS strapped BC. There's more to this than meets the eye, as there was no downside for them to keep a good performing player at the minimum contract

Quote from: DM83 on February 22, 2025, 05:17:47 PMReceivers? - Schoenberg had one good year, then has basically either been overweight from his NFL  sojourn, and then last  years injury.  All other guys brought in are middle of the road.

Schoen had 2 great years, basically leading the league.  '24 was his only injury year.

We're betting he'll be solid for years to come, whereas Kenny is always iffy year to year.  Schoen could be the long-term franchise guy.  If he stays healthy it could be a good bet.

Kenny was often hit & miss and may be on his career downtrend.  He's missed so many games, and even when on field he hasn't been putting up big numbers (1, maybe 2, (very) good games in '24).  Didn't help us at all in the GC, and that's basically why we paid him huge $$ to return.  NAT Brissett did more than him.

Kenny will often make the circus play that makes everyone gasp and applaud, but he also whiffs on a ton, and is not terribly reliable from an availability standpoint.  His rate of mental errors is increasing, too.

I still would have signed Kenny for big $$, but it's not a sure thing anymore.  Lewis is probably a more dependable signing (sigh) on the high end.  Schoen's workhorse style could work out better for us if it was a "can only choose one" scenario.

No way! Kenny was awesome!  Hence the big contract, amd being overpaid. That was great his agent got him that contract from Edmonton. Also the contract from the bombers, and then Hamilton.

Quote from: DM83 on February 27, 2025, 06:11:22 AMNo way! Kenny was awesome!  Hence the big contract, amd being overpaid. That was great his agent got him that contract from Edmonton. Also the contract from the bombers, and then Hamilton.

Kenny got PAID in Edm, came home to Winnipeg for considerably less saying what a mistake it was signing for just for the money, and then got PAID by Ham, saying he's going (I'm paraphrasing here) "to bring them the cup, because he can mentally make that happen".  A team that hasn't won the cup this century, has the longest drought, and missed the playoffs last year.

Yeah...

Quote from: theaardvark on February 27, 2025, 03:37:25 PMKenny got PAID in Edm, came home to Winnipeg for considerably less saying what a mistake it was signing for just for the money, and then got PAID by Ham, saying he's going (I'm paraphrasing here) "to bring them the cup, because he can mentally make that happen".  A team that hasn't won the cup this century, has the longest drought, and missed the playoffs last year.

Yeah...

What do you consider considerably less? We paid him 275. And now got paid the same by Hamilton.

Quote from: Jesse on February 27, 2025, 04:43:13 PMWhat do you consider considerably less? We paid him 275. And now got paid the same by Hamilton.

He got $285k from us last year, and signed with Hamilton for $277.2 hard money and a chance to make $303, so he has a chance to make marginally more money. That said, he ain't winning them no cup,  I doubt they make the playoffs

Why do you guys feel we over paid him? He broke his arm trying to gain extra yards.  I thought our players all played to the best of their abilities. Life as a football player doesn't last long. Strike while the iron is hot. Didn't a lot of Bombers walk for higher contracts.

This article from Ed Tait looks like it belongs in this thread.

1st & 10: Who's in/who's out and what it all means

https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/03/07/1st-10-whos-in-whos-out-and-what-it-all-means/ (https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/03/07/1st-10-whos-in-whos-out-and-what-it-all-means/)

Quote from: DM83 on March 07, 2025, 07:02:15 PMWhy do you guys feel we over paid him? He broke his arm trying to gain extra yards.  I thought our players all played to the best of their abilities.

Kenny is a slight guy.  Like Nick Moore.  And Nick was hurt all the time later in his career.

Kenny should be taking a page out of Willie's book: avoid the obvious risky things.  Play to be available.

Kenny said in an interview he'd do the exact same thing again (bull into a DB and break his arm for 2 more yards).  To me that's not the mindset you want your highest-paid REC to exhibit.  Ya, we want them to play tough, but then the team is screwed and the W column suffers when they are out.

Our record wasn't great when Kenny was out, and even the W's were won with substandard O performance.

Kenny was overpaid based on what he gave us in '24 (maybe 2 great games).  A better GC performance would have helped, but it was not to be.  However, I would have kept him on as he's a fan fave and still draws the most D attention.  I wouldn't have paid him what he got, but I would have come close enough to have him stay (with the "hometown" discount).

 :) I bet the new GM guaranteed him his. Hamilton fee.  Winnipeg probably worded it with a "games played" stipulation.

Quote from: DM83 on March 10, 2025, 08:31:21 PM:) I bet the new GM guaranteed him his. Hamilton fee.  Winnipeg probably worded it with a "games played" stipulation.

I literally have no idea what this post means.  I assume it has to do with Lawler.  Are you saying he chose Hamilton because they guaranteed his contract, but Winnipeg included a "games played" clause?  Becasue that makes no sense, as any significant games lost would be recouped from $SMS.

Not sure why I try to decipher DM83 posts, makes me go through Aspirin faster...

Sorry Ards, I'll go back into my room. It just meant because he and Woli know each other, Woli was given a nice player friendly contract.

Quote from: DM83 on March 11, 2025, 09:29:44 PMSorry Ards, I'll go back into my room. It just meant because he and Woli know each other, Woli was given a nice player friendly contract.

Goviea and Woli know each other?  Sure. Goveia knows what Woli is worth to him as a solid Nat rec.

But I'm confused about "Winnipeg probably worded it with a "games played" stipulation.". 

Are you saying the contract in Winnipeg had performance bonuses in it?  You know that he was under contract for 2025 with Winnipeg, for $112k for the year, with a pending $10k roster bonus due shortly after he was cut, right?  His Winnipeg deal was set, and WFC cancelled it, making him a FA ahead of the start of the FA season.