This is what it is all about. Grey Cup and the best team in the CFL.
Bombers are odds on favourite to win but it's one game and you win or lose. The Bombers 1 and 0 strategy is about to be test one more, important time.
The Bombers appear to be ready. As Kenny Lawler said today, ""This being the last Day 3 right before the Grey Cup, it's an honour to have been on this field with all these men here because you can't take any season for granted because they're all different," he said.
"There's a special feeling in the air. The guys, we've been through a lot. We've overcame a lot, whether it was injuries at the beginning of the season to the adversity we had then. So, to get to this point is a great feeling because of the sacrifices we've all made as teammates, the roles we've had as teammates, and we just continued to put one foot forward after another. We put the team first.
"To just get to the playoffs is a special thing because not everyone gets that opportunity in their professional careers," he added. "Locking up the first seed isn't easy to do, either. So, we honour that, and we honour our teammates by putting in as much work as possible."
Injury-wise we are in, arguably, the best shape we've been in all year. The Injury Report for November 14th is...
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Every sense indicates the Bombers are ready and motivated to win. Let's get it on for our Blue Bombers!
Here it is...the last GDT of the year. Truly bittersweet - on one hand, here we are again getting to watch our team play for a 5th championship in a row. We get to cheer them on until the very last second of the season...again. Imagine going back in time to even 2019 and telling your past self that we would go on this kind of streak. After years and years of complete misery, has the universe ever made up for that.
...And on the other hand, regardless of the result, I am sad that next weekend there will be no CFL. Hoping the Jets can continue keeping me entertained through the long winter, and may the spring thaw and training camp reports come quick.
As for the actual game, all I gotta say is do what got ya there. Back 7 on D need to be everywhere on the field at once like they were last week. Collaros needs some time from the OL but needs to be smart with the ball. They're gonna come after him hard so we will need play action and short-medium outlets to get positive yards on every down. Get Brady going and let him bully the Argo D and get us to second and manageable every first down attempt. Give a shot to Kenny, Nic and Pokey more than often and let them come up with it way down field.
Avenge 2022.
GO ****IN' BOMBERS GO!!!
Here here
@blue_or_die I never thought of it from the angle no CFL ball next week. You're right it is sad.
It was another truly blessed year. Back in 2019 this level excellence could have not have been fathomed. We can only hope the Bombers can do 3 of 5 Grey Cup wins.
The way I see it, as long as the Bombers can keep Grant in check and OL wins the TO DL battle we should win comfortably.
Buck needs to call a better game than past GC game loses.
Younger needs to do what he did last week against Harris and the Riders. Now facing Arbuckle this is a big down grade from Harris, all we can do is cheer and hope.
Thanks for the top notch GDTs through the year. As always I have loads of fun on here.
Go Bombers...
I think Woli might replace Kelly in the line-up.
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blue_or_die is right.
The game will come down to if we can give Zach time to throw. TOR pass pressure will be immense. Inhuman even.
TOR almost always pass-rushes 1 less than the blocker count. So a normal 5 REC out has TOR rushing 4. They pretty much stick to this formula every down, because they don't need to blitz to be effective. Also, they rarely rush less, like 3.
We'll need to be creative with our jumbo sets, and keep them guessing if it's pass or run on 1st with jumbo. We'll need the usual short hot route as well as (and this is important) deeper "throw to a spot" hot routes. TOR will get pressure and be ready to clobber the short hot. We need to make them pay with an unseen or deeper hot outlet.
This is the game that we'll need to keep pounding with Brady even if it doesn't work well. TOR will be grinding, and we can grind too. Our grind will work better than theirs and we should come out ahead even if their D is stifling on both pass & run.
Our D just needs to do what it does. I like our 3 man rush against the near-impenetrable TOR OL. We just need to have the dropped coverage get back into run stop when they run, just like we did vs SSK.
I don't mind taking shots on O when we get enough pass-pro. I think we'll have to earn that ability though by grinding it out early. I doubt we'll get the opportunity before then.
TOR full well knows they'll have to win this game on D and ST. I fully expect them to play like they are possessed. Hopefully we'll be able to wear them out and if their O is ineffectual we'll have their morale destroyed by mid-3Q.
Not a fan of taking out a healthy player for limping "limited" participant.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 15, 2024, 08:42:56 PMNot a fan of taking out a healthy player for limping "limited" participant.
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 15, 2024, 07:30:17 PMI think Woli might replace Kelly in the line-up.
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Would love to see Woli in the GC.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 15, 2024, 08:42:56 PMNot a fan of taking out a healthy player for limping "limited" participant.
Who said he was limping? He had a rib injury and not anything to do with his legs. Kelly and Hallett are the ones with leg injury.
Demski has an ankle injury.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2024, 08:48:32 PMWould love to see Woli in the GC.
IF effective.
Looking no further what we did last year with bigHill and Schoen. Not great!
Demski was limping noticibly after the injury, went off the field and got spatted up really hard.
After that, he seemed off stride, Collaros missed him on a deep route by a lot. He didn't seem to limp, but that amount of tape obviously slowed him down, threw off the timing.
Who knows what happened after the game, how badly it swelled or how he has recovered.
Yes, I want Woli and Demski in the lineup, *IF* they are 100%. Not just healthy, but unlikely to aggravate the injury easily. Last thing we need is to have 40% of our starting receivers come up lame on the first offensive down of the game.
This is the Grey Cup we're talking here, not a regular season game. Its hard enough to win with a full roster.
Who dresses if they don't? Well, Clercius is already in for Woli, so that's a no brainer. Don't really have a NAT SB for Demski, other than Murphy... not sure if a hobbled Woli or Demski isn't a potential better choice than that... sigh.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 15, 2024, 04:25:52 PMHere it is...the last GDT of the year. Truly bittersweet - on one hand, here we are again getting to watch our team play for a 5th championship in a row. We get to cheer them on until the very last second of the season...again. Imagine going back in time to even 2019 and telling your past self that we would go on this kind of streak.
And on the other hand, regardless of the result, I am sad that next weekend there will be no CFL.
GO ****IN' BOMBERS GO!!!
Great comment. I feel like this every year, including the days before The Grey Cup wins.....
Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2024, 08:48:32 PMWould love to see Woli in the GC.
Eh, more sentimental than anything. We have enough veterans to lead this bunch and the young receivers we brought in more than made up for woli s absence
I look at the leadership Willie Jefferson is showing this year by not wearing the go pro camera— he's serious and dialed into winning the cup just not enjoying the moment of being there. The past losses have left their mark, we won't be denied this time . I m 100% certain on that
Not worried about Toronto's pass rush we ll use our 6 man front and control that just like we did vs the riders
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 15, 2024, 09:16:05 PMWho said he was limping? He had a rib injury and not anything to do with his legs. Kelly and Hallett are the ones with leg injury.
Demski has an ankle injury.
Yes, Woli82 has been running for weeks at practice with some of the injured players.
Quote from: dd on November 15, 2024, 09:39:26 PMNot worried about Toronto's pass rush we ll use our 6 man front and control that just like we did vs the riders
I'm worried. We use 6, they'll send 5. We use 7, they'll send 6. We may even see our 8 max-pro a few times.
Look how quickly the extremely good MTL OL got defeated every snap in EDF. Ya, you can only hold those TOR guys back for so long. And it's not very long. If they beat MTL's OL, they'll beat ours.
The solution has to lie in getting the ball out in 2.7s, not trying to beat that DL.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2024, 11:12:44 PMYes, Woli82 has been running for weeks at practice with some of the injured players.
fair enough can he cut? Can he secure the ball properly on impact? He needs to be as good as he can be when 100% healthy is the bottom line. Demski worries me not based on last game, he was very effective.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 16, 2024, 02:08:52 AMfair enough can he cut? Can he secure the ball properly on impact? He needs to be as good as he can be when 100% healthy is the bottom line. Demski worries me not based on last game, he was very effective.
Again, he had a rib injury not anything to do with the leg. So there is no doubt he can make a cut. The question is can reach, take a hit, to the mid section, secure the catch and what is his timing like?
Whether he plays might only be a 50 / 50 call or they may have already decided he's ok to play. Health wise he may be good but he hasn't played for about 10 weeks and that's unfortunate.
My position was that I don't think he starts if he plays but would be used in to rotation and injury injury. Both Demski and Whitehead and less that 100% so making it through the game for either is not ensured.
Depth chart will be out in the morning and we're just guessing.
How do we replace Kelly on ST's and Noah Hallett if he's also out? Cadwallader and Murphy as other options from the PR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 02:43:50 AMHow do we replace Kelly on ST's and Noah Hallett if he's also out? Cadwallader and Murphy as other options from the PR.
Cadwall has dressed for most every game AFAIK. Pretty sure he was in the WDF? Thus no change there. Murphy has been out a while. Not sure we're sold on him, but NAT PR cupboard getting a bit bare.
no turnovers
don't miss any FG, especially long ones
continue good/great kick coverage
win the TOP
do those things along with a nice balance of offensive plays and stopping 2nd down and we will win the the game
Quote from: theaardvark on November 15, 2024, 09:33:50 PMDemski was limping noticibly after the injury, went off the field and got spatted up really hard.
After that, he seemed off stride, Collaros missed him on a deep route by a lot. He didn't seem to limp, but that amount of tape obviously slowed him down, threw off the timing.
Who knows what happened after the game, how badly it swelled or how he has recovered.
Yes, I want Woli and Demski in the lineup, *IF* they are 100%. Not just healthy, but unlikely to aggravate the injury easily. Last thing we need is to have 40% of our starting receivers come up lame on the first offensive down of the game.
This is the Grey Cup we're talking here, not a regular season game. Its hard enough to win with a full roster.
Who dresses if they don't? Well, Clercius is already in for Woli, so that's a no brainer. Don't really have a NAT SB for Demski, other than Murphy... not sure if a hobbled Woli or Demski isn't a potential better choice than that... sigh.
As soon as Demski loses half a step the deep over the shoulder catches stop clicking, saw it the second half of last season when he was banged up. Wouldn't mind them dressing Cody Case to handle returns so they can free Lucky up for more receiving duties, if no Woli and Demski is well below par. Won't make much difference on return yards, as long as Case can catch and not turnover the ball.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 05:26:38 AMCadwall has dressed for most every game AFAIK. Pretty sure he was in the WDF? Thus no change there. Murphy has been out a while. Not sure we're sold on him, but NAT PR cupboard getting a bit bare.
Sorry I meant Charbonneau sitting on the PR might get added. Murphy because we don't have too many NA options. Some reports suggest both Kelly and Hallett will be out. So that's a possible issue.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 16, 2024, 06:10:45 AMAs soon as Demski loses half a step the deep over the shoulder catches stop clicking, saw it the second half of last season when he was banged up. Wouldn't mind them dressing Cody Case to handle returns so they can free Lucky up for more receiving duties, if no Woli and Demski is well below par. Won't make much difference on return yards, as long as Case can catch and not turnover the ball.
Yes but that forces a change to the ratio to add Case. It would have to come from the defensive side of the roster.
The roster is generally more healthier than we expected to end the season. However losing Canadian depth is not something easily filled.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 15, 2024, 04:25:52 PMHere it is...the last GDT of the year. Truly bittersweet - on one hand, here we are again getting to watch our team play for a 5th championship in a row. We get to cheer them on until the very last second of the season...again. Imagine going back in time to even 2019 and telling your past self that we would go on this kind of streak. After years and years of complete misery, has the universe ever made up for that.
...And on the other hand, regardless of the result, I am sad that next weekend there will be no CFL. Hoping the Jets can continue keeping me entertained through the long winter, and may the spring thaw and training camp reports come quick.
As for the actual game, all I gotta say is do what got ya there. Back 7 on D need to be everywhere on the field at once like they were last week. Collaros needs some time from the OL but needs to be smart with the ball. They're gonna come after him hard so we will need play action and short-medium outlets to get positive yards on every down. Get Brady going and let him bully the Argo D and get us to second and manageable every first down attempt. Give a shot to Kenny, Nic and Pokey more than often and let them come up with it way down field.
Avenge 2022.
GO ****IN' BOMBERS GO!!!
You are so right about how I could not fathom us competing in our fifth consecutive Grey Cup. In 2019 we did not know what we had in Colleros and what an impact he would have on this team. Even after he won the cup it was not sure he would be retained or would the Bombers stick with Nicchols who had started the season as the starter and had a pretty decent year until he got hurt. The Bombers picked the right QB and the rest is history.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 15, 2024, 04:25:52 PMHere it is...the last GDT of the year. Truly bittersweet - on one hand, here we are again getting to watch our team play for a 5th championship in a row. We get to cheer them on until the very last second of the season...again. Imagine going back in time to even 2019 and telling your past self that we would go on this kind of streak. After years and years of complete misery, has the universe ever made up for that.
...And on the other hand, regardless of the result, I am sad that next weekend there will be no CFL. Hoping the Jets can continue keeping me entertained through the long winter, and may the spring thaw and training camp reports come quick.
As for the actual game, all I gotta say is do what got ya there. Back 7 on D need to be everywhere on the field at once like they were last week. Collaros needs some time from the OL but needs to be smart with the ball. They're gonna come after him hard so we will need play action and short-medium outlets to get positive yards on every down. Get Brady going and let him bully the Argo D and get us to second and manageable every first down attempt. Give a shot to Kenny, Nic and Pokey more than often and let them come up with it way down field.
Avenge 2022.
GO ****IN' BOMBERS GO!!!
Way to be a Debbie downer, bringing up that there's no CFL after this.
Hadn't ONCE thought about that until now.
Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 03:54:39 PMWay to be a Debbie downer, bringing up that there's NO CFL after this.
Hadn't ONCE thought about that until now.
:D fixed that for yah!
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 01:10:39 PMYes but that forces a change to the ratio to add Case. It would have to come from the defensive side of the roster.
The roster is generally more healthier than we expected to end the season. However losing Canadian depth is not something easily filled.
I dunno, are they that close to the limit? Seems most of the season they've been playing more Natls. than necessary, but I haven't really been paying close attention to the ratio this year, usually have 3 on D, 5 on O. Depth chart should be out this afternoon, so we'll see soon.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 16, 2024, 04:22:07 PMI dunno, are they that close to the limit? Seems most of the season they've been playing more Natls. than necessary, but I haven't really been paying close attention to the ratio this year, usually have 3 on D, 5 on O. Depth chart should be out this afternoon, so we'll see soon.
They start more than necessary but you still need to have a certain amount of Canadians rostered. If one comes off, another comes in.
Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 04:23:37 PMThey start more than necessary but you still need to have a certain amount of Canadians rostered. If one comes off, another comes in.
It has more to do with the number of imports allowed. A team can choose to dress more than the minimum number of Canadians. However teams seldom reduce the number of imports rostered unless there are injury issues.
Whether a team starts 7 or 10 Canadians, the number of imports on the AR doesn't change.
Things get a bit foggy when we have some imports that aren't starting but also aren't specific DI's in classification.
Depth chart!
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Ed Tait @EdTaitWFC
The
@bluebombers make three changes from last week's Western Final roster. Off are DBs
Jake Kelly and
Noah Hallett, both injured, along with FB
Michael Chris-Ike. On are LBs
Max Charbonneau and
Fabian Weitz and DT
Kyle Samson, who will dress for his first game of the year.
Winnipeg Blue Bombers set roster for Grey Cup against Argonauts
By John Hodge -November 16, 2024
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have set their roster for the 111th Grey Cup against the Toronto Argonauts at BC Place in Vancouver.
There were no surprise changes to the starting lineup, which has remained consistent from last week's West Final. Canadian defensive backs Jake Kelly and Noah Hallett, neither of whom practiced this week due to knee injuries, will not dress, taking the number of defensive backs on Winnipeg's depth chart from eleven to nine. Rookie fullback Michael Chris-Ike has also been moved off the roster as a healthy scratch.
Global linebacker Fabian Weitz, Canadian linebacker Max Charbonneau, and Canadian defensive tackle Kyle Samson have all been promoted to the active roster for Sunday, which could be an indication that defensive coordinator Jordan Younger is looking to stop the run with more defenders in the box. Samson, a rookie second-round pick out of UBC, hasn't dressed for a game since the preseason.
Canadian receiver Drew Wolitarsky was a limited participant in practice with the Blue Bombers this week but will not dress. The 29-year-old hasn't played since September, making 33 catches for 403 yards and one touchdown on the year.
American defensive linemen Jamal Woods, Devin Adams, and Celestin Haba have all been left off the roster as healthy scratches. Other players who remain on Winnipeg's long-term injured list include Adam Bighill, Dalton Schoen, Chris Streveler, and Jamal Parker.
The Blue Bombers will take on the Argonauts in the 111th Grey Cup on Sunday, Nov. 17 with kickoff slated for 6:00 p.m. EST.
https://3downnation.com/2024/11/16/winnipeg-blue-bombers-set-roster-for-grey-cup-against-argonauts/
All in all a good roster, with the shifts not stinging too bad.
We're pulling the beef forward on the D and dropping one of the FB. This jives perfectly with the expectation that TOR will be run-mostly (run-always?). Well, I guess behind/at LoS passes too, but that's almost the same as a run.
Sucks Woli couldn't make it back in time, maybe a couple of more weeks would have been the difference. Emperor needs to have the game of his life. If he can get a completion early it'll force TOR to respect him.
Glad Demski is good(ish) to go.
Looking good!
Toronto Argonauts set depth chart for Grey Cup clash with Bombers
By 3Down Staff -November 16, 2024
The Toronto Argonauts have set their depth chart for Sunday's Grey Cup clash with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, offering no surprises.
The largest change comes at the quarterback position after star Chad Kelly suffered a fractured tibia and fibula in the East Final. The controversial former Most Outstanding Player has since undergone surgery and is not with the team as he embarks on six to nine months of rehab.
31-year-old backup Nick Arbuckle has been given the starting gig after going five-of-eight for 73 yards in relief last week. The Oxnard, Cal. native was 65-of-100 for 799 yards, four touchdowns, and three interception this season, supplanting Cameron Dukes as the team's number two option. Bryan Scott, who was re-signed by the team earlier this week after being released earlier this year and spending time in Winnipeg, will dress as the third-stringer.
Defensively, the Argos have added some depth to the secondary for the big game. Rookie Canadian safety Tyshon Blackburn will dress behind starter Royce Metchie after recording four defensive tackles, three special teams tackles, and an interception in 17 games this year. Veteran American Robert Priester returns from injury to provide insurance at strong-side linebacker, having amassed 28 defensive tackle, a sack, and a forced fumble in 11 games this year.
National defensive back Jonathan Edouard has been returned to the practice roster after dressing last week. He'll be joined by American receiver Jake Herslow, who scored a touchdown in the team's East Semi-Final win over Ottawa.
The Argonauts will take on the Blue Bombers in the 111th Grey Cup on Sunday, Nov. 17 with kickoff slated for 6:00 p.m. EST from BC Place in Vancouver.
https://3downnation.com/2024/11/16/toronto-argonauts-set-depth-chart-for-grey-cup-clash-with-bombers/
Uh, that chart on that web page is the ESF chart!!
So with Grant back there, and the fact it's "dead air" BC Place, do we limit our FG attempts to maybe 55Y? Less?
MOS punted in a possible FG situation in WDF... I think he's already thinking about it. Sergio made the big shots this season, but his success rate is bottom tier. Grant changes the equation. Though I would pay big money to see an unsighted Fatboi pancake Grant barrelling down at 25km/h.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 06:16:54 PMUh, that chart on that web page is the ESF chart!!
I'll post the Argos depth chart when I see the correct one on X.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 06:26:23 PMSo with Grant back there, and the fact it's "dead air" BC Place, do we limit our FG attempts to maybe 55Y? Less?
MOS punted in a possible FG situation in WDF... I think he's already thinking about it. Sergio made the big shots this season, but his success rate is bottom tier. Grant changes the equation. Though I would pay big money to see an unsighted Fatboi pancake Grant barrelling down at 25km/h.
Wouldn't be surprised if O'Shea used Sergio more conservatively this game and refrained from 50+ FG attempts with Grant waiting in the endzone. It would more closely match his strategy prior to this season before he let Sergio off the chain.
Dead air has not been an issue at BC Place since the inflatable roof was removed in 2010.
TOR's chart shows the big weakness is their DB corps. The best attack is thus the deep pass. The tricky part is can we give Zach time. If TOR can't get pressure consistently, the game is over.
Their SAM is also a weakness. Let's give Adeleke flashbacks to the HAM GCs where we consistently beat him.
Attack the secondary, and look for 1-on-1 matchups with SAM.
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 16, 2024, 06:29:10 PMI'll post the Argos depth chart when I see the correct one on X.
Don't like the ones that don't have the in and out designation.
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My friend's BFF Rice is strangely in 2 GCs in a row. Great guy, but let's make sure he doesn't sneak another ring.
We could have had Rice in FA. He got picked up super super late. It was looking like he'd have to retire. NAT who can play OG or OT. MB boy. I bet he signed for super cheap, too. What's a super-vet non-starting NAT OL these days? $110k?
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 16, 2024, 06:00:14 PMEd Tait @EdTaitWFC
The @bluebombers make three changes from last week's Western Final roster. Off are DBs Jake Kelly and Noah Hallett, both injured, along with FB Michael Chris-Ike. On are LBs Max Charbonneau and Fabian Weitz and DT Kyle Samson, who will dress for his first game of the year.
It's a funny game. Samson worked hard all season and doesn't dress for one regulars season game. Now he's playing in the GC. Happy for Kyle.
Have to feel for Jamal Woods 17 games, 20 DTs, 2 Sacks. Also Brian Cole. 11 games, 24 DTs, 4 STs, 1 Int, 1 FF. Last time we played the Argos, Cole had an outstanding game with 5 DTs, and 1 FF. Devin Adams 14 games, 16 DTs, 1 ST, 4 sacks.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 07:35:10 PMMy friend's BFF Rice is strangely in 2 GCs in a row. Great guy, but let's make sure he doesn't sneak another ring.
We could have had Rice in FA. He got picked up super super late. It was looking like he'd have to retire. NAT who can play OG or OT. MB boy. I bet he signed for super cheap, too. What's a super-vet non-starting NAT OL these days? $110k?
Signing Rice seemed to be a natural no brainer, but it didn't happen,and he can play OT no less. hope we can sign him next year
Quote from: Pigskin on November 16, 2024, 08:56:54 PMHave to feel for Jamal Woods 17 games, 20 DTs, 2 Sacks. Also Brian Cole. 11 games, 24 DTs, 4 STs, 1 Int, 1 FF. Last time we played the Argos, Cole had an outstanding game with 5 DTs, and 1 FF. Devin Adams 14 games, 16 DTs, 1 ST, 4 sacks.
I think Woods is a legit. injury, in the last game against the Als he went down twice. Really hard to judge the performance of the new guys that played on the D-line this season as this lineup illustrates. All had their good moments but we have no idea how well they executed their assignments so have to leave it Younger and Hall to choose the personnel they think fits the situation the best and hope they get it right.
DO NOT let Janarion Grant escape and ruin this game.
Sergio.... have a good game
red zone.... TD not 3.
Something to be said for fresh legs, and no game film... we will see...
Party
The day has arrived! Grey Cup 2024. This will be our day, our time in CFL history, a dynasty in progress and our day to be Grey Cup Champs once again.
Believe it!
Happy Grey Cup Day all. May we be happy campers by evenings end. Go Bombers.
one way or another, bombers will make a name for themselves today
Deep shot to Kenny or Demski early I say. No fooling around. Let's see what this Argo's secondary is made of. Get them off balance right away. Take the ball first if you win the coin toss as NO WIND to worry about really in BC Place. Pedal to the metal for 60 minutes like in 2019 when I saw them break the "curse" in Calgary!! :) That was a dominant performance that day! :)
P.S. I see international Fritz Hansen is a backup LB for the Argos. Lucky blows by him for the first Bombers return td of the season!! :D LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!! ;)
Anyone heard anything from ghostly Kyle Walters? I thought he might make an appearance on All Hallows Eve but nothing....don't thing he's been seen or uttered a word since pre-season.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 17, 2024, 08:46:06 AMHappy Grey Cup Day all. May we be happy campers by evenings end. Go Bombers.
Heres to that! Section 211 will be very happy.
Quote from: bwiser on November 17, 2024, 06:20:05 PMHeres to that! Section 211 will be very happy.
Here Here my friend. :)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 17, 2024, 06:14:12 PMAnyone heard anything from ghostly Kyle Walters? I thought he might make an appearance on All Hallows Eve but nothing....don't thing he's been seen or uttered a word since pre-season.
3DownNation got some quotes from him for their Janarion Grant article.
Stop their RBs. Give Zach time. Contain Grant. WIN
Heading off shortly. Guys/gals on this thread: be chatty. I want a lot of good reading and play by play when I get back and watch the PVR.
Last but not least... GO BLUE!
Just landed in TO and am taking the train to my hotel. Tons of blue and gold at YWG and on my plane. Plenty of high fives and Go Blue's. Will head to the sports bar once I drop my bags.
I'm totally stressed out. I won't be able to ease up until the final whistle. Hoping to be in a very chipper mood all week long!
GO BLUE!!!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 17, 2024, 07:27:53 PMStop their RBs. Give Zach time. Contain Grant. WIN
Heading off shortly. Guys/gals on this thread: be chatty. I want a lot of good reading and play by play when I get back and watch the PVR.
Last but not least... GO BLUE!
This forum is quiet for pre Grey Cup morning.
Quote from: markf on November 17, 2024, 08:47:26 PMThis forum is quiet for pre Grey Cup morning.
Probably going to be pretty slow until tomorrow.
People have Grey Cup parties with people in real life, lol. Will talk with internet people later.
Hey forum people are real life people too!!
i am here - will be once the game gets going. my steelers pulled out a victory against the hated Ravens - that's a good sign. going to get the food cookin soon - couple of beers in..couple of buzz balls from the states.
nervous for sure - the last two years were tough.
Win LOS on both sides of the ball. Win turnover battle. Score early and learn how to win in the final 2:00 minutes if it comes down to that.
hopefully kyrie wilson doesn't slip and let arbuckle run for a first down.
Let's go Bombers!
Arbuckle... makes me nervous. here's to him not pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
ugh. this waiting is tough - B lister country singer isn't cutting it.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 17, 2024, 09:16:04 PMi am here - will be once the game gets going. my steelers pulled out a victory against the hated Ravens - that's a good sign. going to get the food cookin soon - couple of beers in..couple of buzz balls from the states.
nervous for sure - the last two years were tough.
I am not nervous at all. MOS will have our guys prepped up that's for sure, and the sting and talk of them losing the last 2 Grey cups will motivate them to make a statement today, they will crush the Argos today!!!
Quote from: markf on November 17, 2024, 08:47:26 PMThis forum is quiet for pre Grey Cup morning.
Pregaming. Now it's time for fun
If the Lions owner thinks streaming is one source of increased revenue, he should try using tsn stream.
I pay for it, twenty bucks a month. runs like a beat up forty year old truck. All the free streams, like tubi,'pluto, plex, are quite reliable. why cant tsn, which I pay for, be as good as they are?
I have 500 gig fibre internet..!its not that.
TSN stream is unreliable, and glitchy. If you stop watching a stream, good luck getting it to play again. error messages. their biggest investment is in error messages. complaint dpt? non existent. I emailed... no response. nothing whatsoever.
back to,the game
Quote from: markf on November 17, 2024, 10:33:22 PMIf the Lions owner thinks streaming is one source of increased revenue, he should try using tsn stream.
I pay for it, twenty bucks a month. runs like a beat up jalopy with no muffler.
unreliable, and glitchy. If you stop watching a stream, good luck getting it to play again. error messages.
Why the CFL tolerates this is beyond me.
I only watch on the TSN app and for the most part it's ok.
My gripe is re-watching games has more commercials than the live game and there's no way to skip through the game to a particular point.
Quote from: Jesse on November 17, 2024, 10:35:12 PMI only watch on the TSN app and for the most part it's ok.
My gripe is re-watching games has more commercials than the live game and there's no way to skip through the game to a particular point.
thanks....you are fortunate. works very poorly for us. apple tv. works fine with every other app we use.
Augh, c mon Eli, you know the snap count!! That put us 1-15, bad 1st series,
seemed like a short punt to me
3 man rush and they get 9 yards on a run ??
Well, this is not the start I envisioned.
kramdi - whiff
come on man
Kramdi has to be better than that in a Grey Cup game. C'mon guys.
drove it down our throats - D didn't break though.
they were lucky that duck on the willie sack wasn't picked off.
sloppy foot control by kenny.
not going to be an easy win for the bombers, if they do
Is Brady playing?
early game jitters....our offense needs to get rolling
Important drive to hold them.
Bombers should not be the team with jitters.
griffin came to play
Offense needs to go marching now. At the very least they need to match the Argos with 3. Build some momentum and keep rolling!
Time to start to move the ball.
There we go.
it's terry time !!!
Hopefully we just had Grey Cup jitters.
Thomas with a block for the score
did they find a weak guy i argo secondary 27?
There we go! Would have liked them to wear down the defense a bit longer but I'll take this obviously.The D has to get after Arbuckle and make things miserable for him.
Come on defense. They're getting good pressure.
castillo thats brutal - spooked by Grant
Brutal field position. Come on Castillo.
We have to keep our mistakes to a minimum. That is not doing that!
good swarm !!
Toronto doesn't have time to throw long. Come on D line.
our kicking game is giving them a chance
gotta catch that demski - was a first down
sloppiness is costing them
not a great punt either
Alright. Let's put together a drive boys.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 17, 2024, 11:00:07 PMsloppy foot control by kenny.
Focus fellas, focus. I like that Kenny is staying loose in the moment but not too loose.
Atta boy, Kenny!
hate leaving points on the board
looked a bit confused on two plays - need to believe in BO on first down in the red zone
dialling up a turnover - come on defence !!
Do t know if you can tel non tv but crowd is pretty pro Argos
Man, that was a couple of disappointing plays from Nichols.
Coxie is their Lawler. Not sure what we can do about him. Nichols can't handle him, neither can Bonds.
Quote from: Jesse on November 17, 2024, 11:42:33 PMMan, that was a couple of disappointing plays from Nichols.
Argo's are playing it smart, they're staying away from ford and holm and going after bonds and nichols side
We can't be turning the ball over, especially at this point in the game. C'mon guys.
Doug Brown is quite enthused about Argos play. annoying.
sticking with the 3 man rush
no pressure - can't cover for that long
nichols having a tough one...
Boy oh Boy.
anyonegot a first half summary?
coaches have some work to do over this extended half time.
disappointing effort by a few players - not thrilled with all the deep shots
this one is going to be close
It would be a shame if we can't win this one.
Quote from: 55StickCar on November 18, 2024, 12:00:50 AMIt would be a shame if we can't win this one.
no negative vibes!!
Too many long pass attempts. Need to use Demski more.
Arbuckle with all day back there.
Quote from: J5V on November 18, 2024, 12:04:05 AMArbuckle with all day back there.
3 man rush will do that.
Quote from: markf on November 17, 2024, 11:49:28 PMDoug Brown is quite enthused about Argos play. annoying.
So is Milt. Eff off, Milt!
three man rush for the bombers is joke
Holding the Argos to 9 is fine.
Ultimately it's been some self-inflicted mistakes on offence that's been really disappointing.
maybe next time in the red zone... give it to Brady.
Sometimes we are a bit too clever.
most disappointed with the the mistakes we made...lawler going out of bounds, demski with a drop, kick off out of bounds, nichols getting beat, confusion on the play calls in the red zone.
these are not expected from a team who is experienced and looking ri improve on two championship losses in a row
I should know better than to listen to this pro-Argo panel on the Toronto Sports Network. Turning off the volume and switching over to CJOB.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 18, 2024, 12:07:29 AMthree man rush for the bombers is joke
You realize how successful our defence has been, right?
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 18, 2024, 12:07:29 AMthree man rush for the bombers is joke
Especially if their effort level is 50%
C'mon fellas. It's the Grey Cup. One game for all the marbles. Do or die. There's no tomorrow. Bring this thing home.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 18, 2024, 12:08:28 AMmost disappointed with the the mistakes we made...lawler going out of bounds, demski with a drop, kick off out of bounds, nichols getting beat, confusion on the play calls in the red zone.
these are not expected from a team who is experienced and looking ri improve on two championship losses in a row
This is my major issue and why I was worried about the game. The Bombers when push comes to shove just make too many mistakes that come back and bite them.
We ll wake up and play better 2nd half. Our mistakes have kept the argos in the game and arbuckle is playing it safe and not turning the ball over. No more mistakes!!! Let's get with it!!
Want to hear that you g lady on guitar rip a killer solo.
This band is really good.
This half time show stinks!!!
Jo Bros are bringing it...pretty good show - more songs than i expected.
time for second half of football anytime now though.
Quote from: Jesse on November 18, 2024, 12:08:46 AMYou realize how successful our defence has been, right?
not on the 3 man rush it hasnt been
They're putting on a good show.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 18, 2024, 12:20:08 AMnot on the 3 man rush it hasnt been
That's been the majority of the year and yes it's worked extraordinarily well.
Quote from: Jesse on November 18, 2024, 12:20:42 AMThat's been the majority of the year and yes it's worked extraordinarily well.
no it hasnt been and they been burnt many a time on the 3 man rush
6 first downs
that's pretty bad
need to get BO more touches
do not want arbuckle gaining cinfidence.
need to pound him physically, then he will cave.
Zach and the Bombers can not lose to a backup qb.
Ok. Offense.
gave up the single - but now need to get at least 3
Zero pressure arbuckle just stands back there, all kinds of time to throw
I just don't know. I don't want to be negative but this Argo team just seems to be kryptonite to us.
demski wasn't even close to being open
Holy Cow.
not a promising opening drive
Our offense did not come to play
Zach is starting to see ghosts... their D line starting to get the upper hand
strange thing is last week they did rush four at times.
Hold them here.
oh..look a 3 man rush
so frustrating to give up that soft coverage
We got to get some pressure on arbuckle this is ridiculous
offensive stats must be ugly
how are they first and tenafter an offside?
What is going on out there? That was definitely offside on the Argos!
lucky - garbage play
H.S.
could be game over here
Dammit.... Whitehead cost is this game
Quote from: J5V on November 18, 2024, 12:46:27 AMWhat is going on out there? That was definitely offside on the Argos!
it wasnt
This game is over !!
We just GAVE them the lead
We are our own worst enemy today
Can anything go right here.
Lucky costs us. Urgh. The only thing he can't do.
Unfortunately we are done. Unbelievable!!
arbuckle outplaying collaros
Bombers need to start making plays or it's a third loss in a row
Knew it. Our special teams is going to cost us the cup.
nichols being picked on so far.
some fire and guts needed now.
Winnipeg can't beat Toronto in a Grey Cup game. We're like 0-7
Absolutely need points on this drive.
The offense needs to move the ball.
Now.
Nope.
this one could be a blowout - feels like it if the Bombers don't cause a turnover or 2 and out
defence could score, but so far not even close to an int.
safe to say dinwiddie is a better offensive mind than Buck.
They had a whole freaking week to work on our league worst special teams.
Still going to cost us the cup.
Our offence suucccks!!!!
Totally being outplayed by the arblows!!!
Why are we not running the ball?? We sure as heck can't pass it!!
Arbuckle making Collaros look bad!!
Quote from: TrueBlue75 on November 18, 2024, 12:52:55 AMAbsolutely need points on this drive.
Or not... Things are snowballing against the Bombers now. They need a huge stop now without giving up a lot of time on the clock.
Holy smokes, you mean to tell me Brady Olivera can run with the football?!?!
Zack you're stinking the joint out give the ball to Brady
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 12:58:52 AMHoly smokes, you mean to tell me Brady Olivera can run with the football?!?!
shocker
Figures, with ZC what else can go wrong and its his throwing hand
kyrie can't do that
terrible football IQ by Wilson ...liability to this team in the grey cup
Yet another mistake. This is so maddening.
win or lose, glad I didnt spend a bunch of money to go to this.
7 first downs.
Hero call by the refs.
Quote from: jets4life on November 18, 2024, 12:52:30 AMWinnipeg can't beat Toronto in a Grey Cup game. We're like 0-7
Correct. I wonder why that is.
put willie in at qb
wiolson in wow
run the ball - please !!!
just run the ball.
What an absolutely stupid play by Wilson stupid stupid stupid!!! Argos weren't getting the ball back on the blocked punt regardless if they recovered the blocked punt why push the guy from behind?!?! I ve seen youth league teams play smarter football
Bombers only have themselves to blame on this mess of a game, we have literally gave it away
Zach out. How much adversity do we have to suffer this season?
Lawler and his off side is getting ridiculous
buck will not run the ball.
need to ask why after this game.
Brady.....mvp, mop. rookie qb..... pass.
Wilson may cost us the Gray Cup.
Wheatfall s gotta catch that !!
the fact you have a backup qb in and you aren't running the ball with the MOP is terrible coaching
no excuse
Where is Zach?! He's got a cut finger. Get him back out there.
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 01:13:47 AMWheatfall s gotta catch that !!
wouldn't have counted
Quote from: J5V on November 18, 2024, 01:12:46 AMZach out. How much adversity do we have to suffer this season?
he only made 7 first downs
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 18, 2024, 01:14:17 AMWhere is Zach?! He's got a cut finger. Get him back out there.
prob getting stiches or glued up
will he try a glove ?
Quote from: jets4life on November 18, 2024, 01:13:42 AMWilson may cost us the Gray Cup.
He's got to have a better awareness of the play going on, the only way Toronto gets the ball is if we commit loose ball interference, why do that ?!?!
bombers are being out coached
Argos offensive plays are way better than ours. Now Kramdi down
Yes. Absolutely pitiful play calling not running the ball when we have the MOP MOC and a backup QB in.
does it makes sense to O'Shea to not run the ball?
I usually have great faith in our D but honestly not tonight.... Deatrick Nicholas is our weakest link tonight
wow...another grey cup game down the tubes
shredded by arbuckle
That pit in my stomach is telling me it's going to be three years in a row of heartbreak. There's still time but it's not looking promising.
I may vomit.
can not pin this on the D.
If we were somehow to win this game there is no possible way we win MOP or MOC. NO WAY!
Quote from: TrueBlue75 on November 18, 2024, 01:24:35 AMThat pit in my stomach is telling me it's going to be three years in a row of heartbreak. There's still time but it's not looking promising.
my tummy says the same thing.
i know we should be thankful that we have a team good enough to get to the cup, but losing by being unprepared and out played is tough.
Only 26 more years till we win it again
not enough time to run now.
C mon Zackary we need you!!
March the field and score!!
the glove
and thats all she wrote.
Zach blew it again. I'm surprised. Thought he was going to do it. Doesn't play well in Grey Cups.
That's game.
OMG.Just pitiful!
That's all she wrote folks
We lost 3 in a row and please nobody bring up this bs about a dynasty!!!
What a joke!!
Why oh why are you asking your QB with an injured throwing hand to throw the ball?
he had wilson open and underthrew him..glove will do that
nichols take a seat - just a terrible game for him
Brutal game, why would Nicholas do that?
What the heck is nichols doing?!!! He's embarrassing
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 18, 2024, 01:30:45 AMZach blew it again. I'm surprised. Thought he was going to do it. Doesn't play well in Grey Cups.
thought it was the cold weather that made him suck in the past...guess not.
What the actual NICHOLS!! Unreal. Lack of discipline and bonehead mistakes = this mess. Absolutely furious with this team right now.
Quote from: J5V on November 18, 2024, 01:32:32 AMWhy oh why are you asking your QB with an injured throwing hand to throw the ball?
won't happen, but I would be happy to move on from Buck Pierce.
MOS has to wear this and look at his coaching strategy for these games - something isn't working.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 18, 2024, 01:32:57 AMhe had wilson open and underthrew him..glove will do that
nichols take a seat - just a terrible game for him
I wouldn't bring him back next year definitely our weakest link
Good Bad and Ugly will be easy this time. Good topic will be empty!!!
So much for a dynasty. Instead LOSING 3 cups in a row = LOSERS.
Quote from: markf on November 18, 2024, 01:34:57 AMwon't happen, but I would be happy to move on from Buck Pierce.
Ya think!!
Dinwiddie totally out coached him with an inferior qb. Bye bye buckie!!
Demski has been brutal today.
now demski offside
demski has been terrible today as well
OMFG!!!!!!!
Offside demski give me a stinking break!!
If you aren't going to do anything offensively the least you can do is not take a bogus penslty
click
that was my remote shutting the game off
disaster all around - MOS needs to provide some answers
Ha ha ha, bombers take out to the woodshed and out and out embarassed!!
Our offense was absolutely horrible today just like it was in the other 3 we lost
Got to get rid of pierce as our oc. He's a total joke.
Glad this stinking season is over!!
This is getting old.
Well, I'm just sad.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 18, 2024, 01:40:53 AMclick
MOS needs to provide some answers
that's not happening.
we've been outcoached every game weve played against toronto. Again our weaknesses have been exposed
we continue to play players that are hurt. demski was a mess today
lack of a quality backup qb
lack of return game. Whitehead no longer has the speed
lack of adjustment at half time by our offence
Maybe BC will get stupid and trade Rourke, ZC8 is done
Ha ha ha, please someone kick our sorry offense off the field !!!
They are embarrassing themselves !!!
Please just decline possession next time !!
Don't know if you all at home saw it, but there was a female streaker on the field earlier in the 4th. They let her run quite a distance.
Pathetic. Out coached in 3 Grey Cups in a row.
Must have been Nichols worst game of the season and possibly ever as a Bomber.
Demski also may have had his worst game of the year. While he was well defended he usually comes up with those. Then he goes offside when we had a 1st down.
We'll never know if Woli could have played but as I said, we were dangerously thin at receiver.
IMO this stems all the way back to TC with the inability to improve the DL. Not enough pressure on the QB again.
I can't directly blame Collaros for the last 2 pics due to the hand injury. OTOH I was not impressed with our game plan on either side of the ball.
L.Whitehead, K. Wilson, N. Taylor, B. Alexander all get an apple and a road map.
Clearly there are a number of players that are not good enough. On the DL in particular there is going to be a serious re-think of who they want to re-sign. Nearly all are potential free agents.
Quote from: Jesse on November 18, 2024, 01:42:42 AMWell, I'm just sad.
I fully expected out offense to stink again when the light came on for the big stage
Totally over rated , totally
.
Need new offensive coordinator
Collaros 9-24 in todays game
I hope we go after VA and turn the page on this pitiful offense
they could have punched it in with Brady, second time in the red zone. which worked the first time, easily.
nope . getting too smart once again, two failed pass plays. field goal.
a td there would have been a big deal.
shades of being too smart, once again.
on offence..... if something works, we like to stop doing it.
.
Well Everyone, amazing season by our Winnipeg Blue Bombers. They survived a lot of adversity and battled their way to the Grey Cup game and came up just short. I'm already looking forward to next season.
Tough game. Great year. Feels like a broken record but it's still better than 7 other teams. Gotta put this one on Collaros.
Please just decline possession next time !!
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Yes!
Congrats to Ryan dinwiddie, Argos fully and convincingly deserved to win today no question about it. And he did it with a backup qb who made our qb look pathetic, he actually embarrassed him
Good on Dindwiddie and good on arbuckle. That's how you go out and win a Grey cup
Another couple of points:
Our K/O's are often too short and give the opponent good field position.
Our punting is sub par.
Both kickers are potential free agents. Just saying I wouldn't be unhappy with new choices.
If the rumour is true that Pierce is headed to Vancouver, I say that may not be a bad thing. Horrible play calling too often.
It's going to be a long off season. There are going to be massive changes IMO due to the number of potential free agents and the areas we need to improve.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 18, 2024, 01:52:58 AMTough game. Great year. Feels like a broken record but it's still better than 7 other teams. Gotta put this one on Collaros.
The defence couldn't stop anything. We lost LOS, TOP and field position. Collaros didn't play well especially after getting injured but many had their worst games this year.
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 01:57:01 AMCongrats to Ryan dinwiddie, Argos fully and convincingly deserved to win today no question about it. And he did it with a backup qb who made our qb look pathetic, he actually embarrassed him
Good on Dindwiddie and good on arbuckle. That's how you go out and win a Grey cup
should have been coach of the year.
from the time they ran out on the field the Argos looked hyped up and ready to play, while the bombers looked uptight and nervous.
I've never been a fan of Dinwiddie but he had his team ready to play, unfortunately I cant say the same for O'Shea
the only positives i can say is that Jefferson looked like the best defensive end in the game, and the bombers as a whole gave us an unexpected amount of entertainment all year long. Just sucks that it had to end that way, but better to be blown out than another one point loss. Maybe we'll look seriously at making some changes.
Check out my New Topic.
I think we were the indirect beneficiary of the West division slide at the time when we had a west heavy schedule. Our record outpaced our performance.
This team needs to look very different next year.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 18, 2024, 01:59:39 AMshould have been coach of the year.
He is the most under rated football mind in the cfl. Clearly took us to school today and his game plan was miles and miles better than ours
And yes, he should have won coach of the year, he was robbed of that award. Nobody can take this grey cup away from him, he absolutely embarassed us today
Lots of changes happening in the off season.
Quote from: Pete on November 18, 2024, 02:02:44 AMfrom the time they ran out on the field the Argos looked hyped up and ready to play, while the bombers looked uptight and nervous.
I've never been a fan of Dinwiddie but he had his team ready to play, unfortunately I cant say the same for O'Shea
the only positives i can say is that Jefferson looked like the best defensive end in the game, and the bombers as a whole gave us an unexpected amount of entertainment all year long. Just sucks that it had to end that way, but better to be blown out than another one point loss. Maybe we'll look seriously at making some changes.
Things happen for a reason. Clearly changes must be made , big ones. New OC for sure,new Qb?? Bring in VA?? Collaros is waaay past his prime, time to move on, bring in VA!!
Collaros never showed up
Quote from: 55StickCar on November 18, 2024, 02:09:43 AMLots of changes happening in the off season.
During the last week, I read that Adam Bighill said he will be playing next season.
What will they do with that? Does the team want Adam back?
Quote from: markf on November 18, 2024, 02:21:32 AMDuring the last week, I read that Adam Bighill said he will be playing next season.
What will they do with that? Does the team want Adam back?
I hope not.
Quote from: markf on November 18, 2024, 02:21:32 AMDuring the last week, I read that Adam Bighill said he will be playing next season.
What will they do with that? Does the team want Adam back?
Sure, we need another slow, overpaid, over the hill player out there to give Collaros some company, may as well have one on offense and one on defense
Just saw a short video of the naked female streaker. Highlight of the game if they had shown it on TV. She was shapely. lol
Bombers might be the only team to have ever lost 3 Grey Cup's in a row? Not what I was expecting. When was the last time the east won 3 Grey Cups in a row?
I think I need a drink.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 18, 2024, 02:25:34 AMJust saw a short video of the naked female streaker. Highlight of the game if they had shown it on TV. She was shapely. lol
Bombers might be the only team to have ever lost 3 Grey Cup's in a row? Not what I was expecting. When was the last time the east won 3 Grey Cups in a row?
I think I need a drink.
Now we know how the Buffalo Bills fans felt!!! This is brutal!!
u think the bombers would learn after the last 2 cups, but no, not expecting anything from the bombers next season, 3 times and this is what they come up with.....spent way too much emotional energy the last 20 years on this team and have better things to enjoy than this.....fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....fool me three times!!!??!!
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 02:25:12 AMSure, we need another slow, overpaid, over the hill player out there to give Collaros some company, may as well have one on offense and one on defense
😂
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 02:07:44 AMHe is the most under rated football mind in the cfl. Clearly took us to school today and his game plan was miles and miles better than ours
And yes, he should have won coach of the year, he was robbed of that award. Nobody can take this grey cup away from him, he absolutely embarassed us today
I would not be surprised if the NFL gives Dinwiddie a coaching job.
I just don't understand why we only ran the ball 8 times—this is what got us here?!?!
This loss was backbreaking. It's one thing to lose the close ones but to play so poorly and be so embarassed is truly disheartening
Quote from: markf on November 18, 2024, 02:55:08 AMI would not be surprised if the NFL gives Dinwiddie a coaching job.
Neither would I. He is a very smart and clever coach. His game plan not only beat us it embarrassed us
F****************K!!!!!!
Not much else to say tonite.
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 02:55:25 AMI just don't understand why we only ran the ball 8 times—this is what got us here?!?!
This loss was backbreaking. It's one thing to lose the close ones but to play so poorly and be so embarassed is truly disheartening
three totally dumb play calling points regarding the running game
1. We only ran on 2nd down and more than 3 yds once and we got 12+ yards, and didn't try it again. You don't have to be a defensive genius to gameplan against our offence.
2.We put in a rookie qb that hasn't thrown the ball in forever and don't run the ball
3. we have the best runningback in the league and he gets 11 carries despite averaging 7.6 yards per carry.
Just got back to the room. Had to deal with a crying young'n at the end again. She's so used to winning.
Well that game was a pile of hot garbage. What a time to fill the bed up. Our D did pretty good, held them for as long as they could. Everything I said TOR would do they did, and our D did a good job stopping it for 3Q as long as they weren't in a bad position.
If we know exactly what TOR will do, and our QB is a #1 HOF and their QB is a has-been washed up never-was, then I don't know how you lose this game.
Buck was uncreative... again. Zach was making the wrong choices... again. Every player on O took turns literally dropping the ball. Inexcusable. The rookies really showed they were rookies. Demski was hurt the whole time, and Kenny set the tone on the first good thing to happen to us by not being sharp.
Good thing this is the 3rd loss in a row... it's old hat to handle it.
Back to the cup next year and we better win that one let me tell you!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 18, 2024, 03:40:20 AMJust got back to the room. Had to deal with a crying young'n at the end again. She's so used to winning.
Well that game was a pile of hot garbage. What a time to fill the bed up. Our D did pretty good, held them for as long as they could. Everything I said TOR would do they did, and our D did a good job stopping it for 3Q as long as they weren't in a bad position.
If we know exactly what TOR will do, and our QB is a #1 HOF and their QB is a has-been washed up never-was, then I don't know how you lose this game.
Buck was uncreative... again. Zach was making the wrong choices... again. Every player on O took turns literally dropping the ball. Inexcusable. The rookies really showed they were rookies. Demski was hurt the whole time, and Kenny set the tone on the first good thing to happen to us by not being sharp.
Good thing this is the 3rd loss in a row... it's old hat to handle it.
Back to the cup next year and we better win that one let me tell you!
Not really all week you were hyping up how useless Arbuckle would be yet he had the game of his career.
Quote from: bluengold204 on November 18, 2024, 03:57:37 AMNot really all week you were hyping up how useless Arbuckle would be yet he had the game of his career.
Arbuckle is useless. He's only useful if you define that as throwing behind LoS and 8 and 10Y outs and easy 12Y zone sits all night. I never said he wouldn't make those plays. Everyone can make those plays.
However, because of that TOR D that's all he needed to do. If we had tried to match grind for grind we probably would have won, but we decided that we wanted to chuck deep into double coverage and drop the ball on the short route passes all night, as well as screw up a ton elsewhere too.
You make it sound like Arbuckle will be a #1 next year. He won't. Once again he'll be lucky to be a #2.
Good for him for being the vessel to exorcise Dinwiddie's demons. TOR put together a vastly better game plan. They probably were working on it all year (on the D side at least) since they knew it was going to be vs WPG. I'm happy for Arbuckle, he achieved the unachievable for his station, but it sucks that it's at our expense.
I just heard Zach was playing with a badly injured throwing hand all 4th. We had no idea at the stadium. I was wondering why Wilson was in for a super critical redzone try.
What a shambles. I guess TOR did succeed in taking out our players: Zach and Kramdi.
I guess that excuses Zach's horrific play later in the game.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 18, 2024, 04:13:44 AMArbuckle is useless. He's only useful if you define that as throwing behind LoS and 8 and 10Y outs and easy 12Y zone sits all night. I never said he wouldn't make those plays. Everyone can make those plays.
However, because of that TOR D that's all he needed to do. If we had tried to match grind for grind we probably would have won, but we decided that we wanted to chuck deep into double coverage and drop the ball on the short route passes all night, as well as screw up a ton elsewhere too.
You make it sound like Arbuckle will be a #1 next year. He won't. Once again he'll be lucky to be a #2.
Good for him for being the vessel to exorcise Dinwiddie's demons. TOR put together a vastly better game plan. They probably were working on it all year (on the D side at least) since they knew it was going to be vs WPG. I'm happy for Arbuckle, he achieved the unachievable for his station, but it sucks that it's at our expense.
Eh I'll let you rewatch the game 1000 times over but Arbuckle grossly out played Collaros (even before his little finger cut). If that gets him a starters job next year or not (which I don't think so either) he was the better player today.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 18, 2024, 04:20:15 AMI just heard Zach was playing with a badly injured throwing hand all 4th. We had no idea at the stadium. I was wondering why Wilson was in for a super critical redzone try.
What a shambles. I guess TOR did succeed in taking out our players: Zach and Kramdi.
I guess that excuses Zach's horrific play later in the game.
Zach was like 50% passing 1TD and 1int before the injury. It wasn't his best game regardless.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 18, 2024, 04:20:15 AMI just heard Zach was playing with a badly injured throwing hand all 4th. We had no idea at the stadium. I was wondering why Wilson was in for a super critical redzone try.
What a shambles. I guess TOR did succeed in taking out our players: Zach and Kramdi.
I guess that excuses Zach's horrific play later in the game.
You didn't see ZC8 run off to the Bombers locker room late in the 3rd. quarter.
Quote from: bluengold204 on November 18, 2024, 04:24:58 AMZach was like 50% passing 1TD and 1int before the injury. It wasn't his best game regardless.
Sad to say, ZC8 did not have a passing TD tonight.
Say what you want about the boring dink and dunk offense, arbuckle rode that all the way to a grey cup victory and grey cup MVP. Dink and dunk offense rules!!
Quote from: Pigskin on November 18, 2024, 04:37:37 AMSad to say, ZC8 did not have a passing TD tonight.
He hasn't had one in the last 3 grey cups we lost....hmmmm could there be a coincidence there!?! Me thinks there is!!
I enjoyed watching WJ5 play tonight. 6 DTs, 2 Sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF. Willie had himself a game.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 18, 2024, 04:20:15 AMI just heard Zach was playing with a badly injured throwing hand all 4th. We had no idea at the stadium. I was wondering why Wilson was in for a super critical redzone try.
What a shambles. I guess TOR did succeed in taking out our players: Zach and Kramdi.
I guess that excuses Zach's horrific play later in the game.
How could you have no idea? He left game bleeding.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on November 18, 2024, 04:56:43 AMHow could you have no idea? He left game bleeding.
Supervising 2 young kids at a crowded football game, not that hard to comprehend.
Clearly Demski was not close to 100% and then had another setback. Wheatfall and Clercius didn't get many opportunities but they aren't our game breakers. We had lots of heavy OL sets and couldn't use it well to establish our run game.
Sure Collaros didn't have his best game but he really only had 2 receivers to throw to. OC play calling was horrible.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 18, 2024, 04:48:43 AMI enjoyed watching WJ5 play tonight. 6 DTs, 2 Sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF. Willie had himself a game.
Jefferson was on a mission last night. I thought by and large the defense played well outside of a few whiffs and miscues, but they could only do so much with how poorly the offense performed. Another lousy gameplan against a very solid defense.
What an embarrassing loss.
This is what usually happens if you have a backup quarterback who hasn't played and your starter gets injured. You're toast. Up until then it was still anybody's game. It was quite apparent Collaros couldn't throw with the finger, but they stuck with him anyway because they had 0 confidence in the backup. Guaranteed that was O'Shea's decision.
Quote from: bomb squad on November 18, 2024, 01:13:15 PMThis is what usually happens if you have a backup quarterback who hasn't played and your starter gets injured. You're toast. Up until then it was still anybody's game. It was quite apparent Collaros couldn't throw with the finger, but they stuck with him anyway because they had 0 confidence in the backup. Guaranteed that was O'Shea's decision.
Agreed, they actually picked up Dolegala to wear a jersey and sit on the sideline till the end of the year, there was no higher expectation of him, he's played and won games in the CFL before, including the '23 LDC. After Willie intercepted the ball was the time to insert him, a TD on a short field at that time could have changed the tide of the game.
I was worried about this with the Riders, over confident because of the Kelly injury and what the bookies were saying. Plus the innjury to Collaros finger did not help. TO D played well. >:(
Zach wasn't exactly doing great before he injured his hand. I don't understand why when he's struggling, do we stick with the low percentage long ball, vs the high percentage short passing game, or use the running game more!!! We totally abandoned BO and the running game yesterday, why?? That was our undoing. If we had used Toronto's offensive game plan, we would have won-short, high percentage passes that don't turn the ball over!!
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on November 18, 2024, 04:56:43 AMHow could you have no idea? He left game bleeding.
At the stadium they didn't announce anything. Heck, the announcer barely said anything all game!
Maybe they showed things on the jumbotron, but I wouldn't know as I was wrangling 2 young children and chatting with a very animated TOR fan next to me.
Wilson being in for a red zone sequence was the only hint I had something was wrong. And no one around me was saying anything about an injured Zach.
The OL played exceptionally well. I was wrong about their talent, but was right that maybe they could be better as a gestalt. They gave Zach the time he needed. You could argue they did better than the TOR OL. The worst you can say about them is they let whatever get close to Zach that busted his finger.
Hats off to the hoggies. If they can take this and build on it and improve the unit next season, we could be back to a league-top OL. The best part is I don't think anyone will try to poach our hoggies this year.
So almost everything I said we needed to win actually occurred, and TOR did basically what we expected. Yet we still lost.
The difference (outside of later INTs) was execution. I think every single REC had a drop. Ya they were contested and tough. But it's the GC.
Ya, TOR RECs dropped a few too, but they also made a handful of clutch catches. Those catches kept drives going, whereas our massive drop rate stopped drives dead. And their RECs busted some good YAC and YAFC a few times. Our RECs got almost zero YAC.
They executed, we didn't. They had lots of rookies too. No excuse. And you can't blame Zach for all the dropsies. They mostly looked like well-thrown balls.
Yes, our game plan stunk, but if we had executed even a handful of those plays, we likely win. Just sloppy lack of focus and execution all around. And they all did it. Sad.
Interesting info over on Lionbackers. Bombers were a man short twice including the Bissett TD. Nichols took a penalty when he touched the ball before the snap. That explains why he choose to do that.
Rotating so many players so often is bound to catch you sometime with too many or not enough.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 18, 2024, 09:17:54 PMInteresting info over on Lionbackers. Bombers were a man short twice including the Bissett TD. Nichols took a penalty when he touched the ball before the snap. That explains why he choose to do that.
Rotating so many players so often is bound to catch you sometime with too many or not enough.
Yes, a defensive player touching a down linemen is an instant kill play and commonly done, even at the amateur level. It draws a 5 yard offside penalty. Becoming unglued and upset because you're short on the field that you slap the ball will get you a 15 yard misconduct penalty everytime. I have a problem that someone playing high school football knows how to kill the play before it gets started when you're a man short, yet a professional playing on a first place team doesn't. ***!!! Same with Wilson's loose ball interference. That's a high school penalty, someone in the pro ranks should have had the football IQ and awareness of what to do on a blocked punt behind the LOS. C' mon man, these penalties were ridiculous and inexcusable and totally illustrate how ill prepared we were for this game, both as players and coaches.
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 10:09:00 PMYes, a defensive player touching a down linemen is an instant kill play and commonly done, even at the amateur level. It draws a 5 yard offside penalty. Becoming unglued and upset because you're short on the field that you slap the ball will get you a 15 yard misconduct penalty everytime. I have a problem that someone playing high school football knows how to kill the play before it gets started when you're a man short, yet a professional playing on a first place team doesn't. ***!!! Same with Wilson's loose ball interference. That's a high school penalty, someone in the pro ranks should have had the football IQ and awareness of what to do on a blocked punt behind the LOS. C' mon man, these penalties were ridiculous and inexcusable and totally illustrate how ill prepared we were for this game, both as players and coaches.
I agree that both penalties were inexcusable. I was just pointing out why he took any action at all even though it was the wrong action.
Bombers overall had lack of focus. Eli taking a procedure before the 1st snap of the game. Lawler not getting a foot down on one good play. Taylor not adjusting soon enough on a TD. These were all mental errors.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 18, 2024, 10:42:27 PMI agree that both penalties were inexcusable. I was just pointing out why he took any action at all even though it was the wrong action.
Bombers overall had lack of focus. Eli taking a procedure before the 1st snap of the game. Lawler not getting a foot down on one good play. Taylor not adjusting soon enough on a TD. These were all mental errors.
When Eli went offside, I thought, oh boy, is this how mentally prepared we are, we know the snap count and we go offside. Little did we know that that was just the tip of the ice berg!!
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2024, 10:48:11 PMWhen Eli went offside, I thought, oh boy, is this how mentally prepared we are, we know the snap count and we go offside. Little did we know that that was just the tip of the ice berg!!
We were up 10-9 at halftime. The Lucky fumble really turned things for us and then Zach getting hurt was pretty crushing.
The team was ready. The game was in the balance until the pick six late in the fourth. The offensive line in particular played a decent game against a really good defensive front. Collaros didn't deliver was the biggest factor though. Hurt hand or not.
I'm frustrated we lost too, it super sucks, but it's not like we didn't come out strapped in and ready to play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 18, 2024, 10:42:27 PMI agree that both penalties were inexcusable. I was just pointing out why he took any action at all even though it was the wrong action.
Bombers overall had lack of focus. Eli taking a procedure before the 1st snap of the game. Lawler not getting a foot down on one good play. Taylor not adjusting soon enough on a TD. These were all mental errors.
Also the one series early on in the redzone were communication screwed up 2 consecutive plays and they had to settle for a FG. I'd like to know what went wrong on that drive.
Zach's fiery pre-game speech.
https://x.com/Wpg_BlueBombers/status/1858292401506546171
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 19, 2024, 01:26:11 AMAlso the one series early on in the redzone were communication screwed up 2 consecutive plays and they had to settle for a FG. I'd like to know what went wrong on that drive.
And Collaros was furious after that and I don't blame him. Everyone is blaming him for our poor offense, but if linemen are jumping offside the very first play and recievers running the wrong routes in the red zone, need say more. Wake the hell up boys, it was the grey cup you were playing in, this wasn't pre-season. You should be embarassed on your poor performance.
The 50/50 from the game has gone unclaimed. It's worth over $434K. Check your tickets!!!
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 18, 2024, 09:17:54 PMInteresting info over on Lionbackers. Bombers were a man short twice including the Bissett TD. Nichols took a penalty when he touched the ball before the snap. That explains why he choose to do that.
Rotating so many players so often is bound to catch you sometime with too many or not enough.
This would be stunning if true, will have to look for it in the re-watch, could become infamous as the Bombers 11 man incident!
Quote from: dd on November 19, 2024, 01:49:06 AMAnd Collaros was furious after that and I don't blame him. Everyone is blaming him for our poor offense, but if linemen are jumping offside the very first play and recievers running the wrong routes in the red zone, need say more. Wake the hell up boys, it was the grey cup you were playing in, this wasn't pre-season. You should be embarassed on your poor performance.
We should throw the streaker in there some place also. lol.
I think the team vastly underprepped for the game. The practice schedule was a joke, and they looked unprepared from the start. And zero in game adjustments, looked like they had Plan A and when that didn't work, they just kept to Plan A.
On another note.
Arbuckle MVP? Willie got 6 DT, 2 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumble and an INT. Arbuckle had a m'eh game 250 yds, 2 td and 2 int. I guess the winners always get the trophies.
Brisset MVC? I guess they had no other choice, no Canadian actually showed up. Well, Brady did in the limited touches they gave him...
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on November 18, 2024, 04:56:43 AMHow could you have no idea? He left game bleeding.
I didn't notice it in stadium - my focus was the ensuing FG attempt.
I heard about it in my headset from someone who saw the replay on TSN.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 19, 2024, 02:04:41 PMThe 50/50 from the game has gone unclaimed. It's worth over $434K. Check your tickets!!!
It has now been claimed by Henry & Darin from Kamloops.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 19, 2024, 04:49:28 PMArbuckle MVP? Willie got 6 DT, 2 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumble and an INT. Arbuckle had a m'eh game 250 yds, 2 td and 2 int. I guess the winners always get the trophies.
Many Toronto fans and media feel Wynton McManis should have been Grey Cup MVP.
6DT, 1 Interception (58 yards), 3 knockdowns
I would accept that choice.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 19, 2024, 04:49:28 PMArbuckle MVP? Willie got 6 DT, 2 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumble and an INT. Arbuckle had a m'eh game 250 yds, 2 td and 2 int. I guess the winners always get the trophies.
Brisset MVC? I guess they had no other choice, no Canadian actually showed up. Well, Brady did in the limited touches they gave him...
I knew instantly when it was clear we were going to lose that the MVP was Arbuckle and MVC Brisset. No one else did anything. Interesting stats on McManis, but he didn't do more than Arbuckle. Arbuckle calmly making the right reads with plenty of time all night and only throwing up a "punt" INT was clearly the reason they won. And doubly so when everyone expected him to be INT city.
As for Willie... can't give the MVP to the losing team.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 18, 2024, 11:03:59 PMWe were up 10-9 at halftime. The Lucky fumble really turned things for us and then Zach getting hurt was pretty crushing.
The team was ready. The game was in the balance until the pick six late in the fourth. The offensive line in particular played a decent game against a really good defensive front. Collaros didn't deliver was the biggest factor though. Hurt hand or not.
No, if our team was ready and dialed in half as much as TOR was we should have been up 14+ at halftime, not tied. It should have been a devastating blowout. The fact it wasn't obvious we were better at the half gave TOR all the morale and momentum to seal the deal.
You could tell, no one on our sidelines believed we'd win after halftime. I was watching them on the binoculars the entire game. Everything was off, and nothing was going right at all.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 17, 2024, 11:00:07 PMsloppy foot control by kenny.
Finally got home and am doing my PVR watch now. Will have notes.
Kenny was in-bounds for that catch. I thought that live (binocs) and was very perplexed when they started moving the chains and everyone was like "this is a catch" and then Major announces "incomplete" after a long while and they move everything back.
I did my PVR tricks and it's not even remotely close: he was inbounds and tapped his toe in with lots of clear green. 100% a completion.
Does anyone know if it was the on-field refs ruling it incomplete or a call down from command?
The only thing you could possibly say is he did something with his other hand a bit after his heel comes down, but his one hand had it super secure and didn't move. Based on all the CFL precedent I've seen, no one would call that a bobble and no one would call this incomplete.
You may think who cares it's early 1st Q, but just like the early Schoen whiff in the last GC, it sets the tone, and the early tone often governs the game (remember '19?). And no way MOS can blow his challenge this early.
Also, when a REC "screws up", both Buck and Zach are quick to distrust them the rest of the game. We've seen it time and time again. Could explain all the Pokey attempts later.
Robbing us is one thing, but robbing us before we can get our rhythm going on a nice 20-25Y pass is severely aggravating and potentially game-killing.
2Q7:23 1st & goal, Zach rolls out right and ends up throwing out of bounds as the heat comes in and Kenny isn't terribly open.
I'm very confused what was going on in this play. There was literally no other play other than Kenny for a 5Y pass. Kenny is open for this pass for most of the play. But Zach keeps running to the sideline, and faking a deep shot when there is no REC deep. 3 D's are chasing Kenny & Zach.
If Zach throws it earlier Kenny gets a guaranteed 5 and there are moments where he may have gotten the TD, with only 1 guy to beat.
Maybe Zach wanted Kenny to turn it up to the corner?
Just very bizarre, and very sloppy by everyone. I wonder if there was supposed to be a deep route by someone else as a second option?
Another missed opportunity early, reinforcing the tone of our team in disarray.
Edit: OMG, the 2nd down play after is even worse. Looks like a QB draw option? Strange, as no one is clearing the flat and no way Zach can get 7Y on McManis. He goes straight into the DL when the OL breaks down quickly. Looks like Clercius didn't know he had to be on the line and screwed up the whole play.
What a stupid scheme for 2nd & goal at the 7. Just horrific play calling. We seem so intent on either bombing it or going for exactly the sticks. You need to use the whole field Buck! Layer the routes and options.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 20, 2024, 05:37:25 AMFinally got home and am doing my PVR watch now. Will have notes.
Kenny was in-bounds for that catch. I thought that live (binocs) and was very perplexed when they started moving the chains and everyone was like "this is a catch" and then Major announces "incomplete" after a long while and they move everything back.
I did my PVR tricks and it's not even remotely close: he was inbounds and tapped his toe in with lots of clear green. 100% a completion.
Does anyone know if it was the on-field refs ruling it incomplete or a call down from command?
The only thing you could possibly say is he did something with his other hand a bit after his heel comes down, but his one hand had it super secure and didn't move. Based on all the CFL precedent I've seen, no one would call that a bobble and no one would call this incomplete.
You may think who cares it's early 1st Q, but just like the early Schoen whiff in the last GC, it sets the tone, and the early tone often governs the game (remember '19?). And no way MOS can blow his challenge this early.
Also, when a REC "screws up", both Buck and Zach are quick to distrust them the rest of the game. We've seen it time and time again. Could explain all the Pokey attempts later.
Robbing us is one thing, but robbing us before we can get our rhythm going on a nice 20-25Y pass is severely aggravating and potentially game-killing.
You really don't know the rules... if any part of the foot in the first step of the catch touches out of bounds it's not a completion. Doesn't matter if their toe comes in first then the heel out of bounds. If any part of the first foot touches the white before the second foot it's out of bounds. Which was the case on the play.
Quote from: bluengold204 on November 20, 2024, 06:34:57 AMYou really don't know the rules... if any part of the foot in the first step of the catch touches out of bounds it's not a completion. Doesn't matter if their toe comes in first then the heel out of bounds.
I've never once seen it called like that in 10 years of studying the CFL with my comp PVR.
Usually a toe is good enough, for instance all of the toe-dragging sideline plays (especially TDs). In those plays the heel never comes down at all, and if it does, the heel is OOB by definition. But those are called TDs all the time!
I've never heard anyone say you need the entire foot to be inbounds even when the first part to touch the turf is inbounds. (Note: I have no idea what the standard in the NFL is, and I'm only going by what I see in the CFL.)
Then again, the backpedaling catch that Kenny was doing is not the normal situation, so maybe the case of toe in / heel out after is rare enough I haven't encountered it before.
As usual, the rule book appears to be somewhat ambiguous. I see no rule that says toe-dragging OOB in the EZ is ok but what Kenny did is not.
P.S. Refs and command gave QB-Alexander a heel-on-the-sideline-is-ok earlier in the year on a run, but I guess no such luck for Kenny.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 20, 2024, 06:50:49 AMI've never once seen it called like that in 10 years of studying the CFL with my comp PVR.
Usually a toe is good enough, for instance all of the toe-dragging sideline plays (especially TDs). In those plays the heel never comes down at all, and if it does, the heel is OOB by definition. But those are called TDs all the time!
I've never heard anyone say you need the entire foot to be inbounds even when the first part to touch the turf is inbounds. (Note: I have no idea what the standard in the NFL is, and I'm only going by what I see in the CFL.)
Then again, the backpedaling catch that Kenny was doing is not the normal situation, so maybe the case of toe in / heel out after is rare enough I haven't encountered it before.
As usual, the rule book appears to be somewhat ambiguous. I see no rule that says toe-dragging OOB in the EZ is ok but what Kenny did is not.
P.S. Refs and command gave QB-Alexander a heel-on-the-sideline-is-ok earlier in the year on a run, but I guess no such luck for Kenny.
It's called like that consistently, but it doesn't come up much and is a stupid rule.
If you toe tap and fall forward, it's a catch.
If you toe tap but you're in the position where you're falling backwards, so you're heel comes down, not a catch.
Stupid rule.
The call on the Alexander run was the wrong call, as was noted in the telecast.
The rule has always been you have to have at least 1 foot in bounds, so if your foot straddles the line, you're out of bounds. If you're in the air and can only drag a toe, that's in bounds, its a catch. If you're in the air and your first foot steps out of bounds and then your second foot lands in bounds, you're out of bounds
Finally finished my full rewatch (been busy, long story). Painful 2nd half of 4th Q, that's for sure.
After the MTL loss I said BE BOLD. MTL won the game on 3rd & 3 by throwing it 15Y into man coverage.
4Q3:22 we're 3rd & 3 (down only 1 score) and what do we do? A dumb 5Y curl to Demski that everyone saw coming as all of TOR is playing close to the line expecting a short pass or run. The DB steps in front and gets a pick-6 and the game is sealed.
MTL won last year precisely because they didn't throw the expected short pass: they isolated a guy and trusted him to make the 50/50. So they won.
Our short curls have stunk all season long. Our super short game was perking up in 2023 but reverted back to hot garbage in 2024. Why are we putting the game on this play? You could say run it with Brady, but TOR was stopping the run by loading 6 in the box at that moment (as MOS discusses at length after), with a tight-to-the-line roving McManus to take any missed hole. Would Brady have gotten it? Maybe 50% chance.
But just like with MTL, we did have an isolated man coverage a bit farther down the field, about 10Y down on a crosser in the middle, and Kenny is basically wide open with soft laying-back coverage. Zach could easily throw to him even under pressure, and Kenny has 50% chance of making 1 guy miss and the field is 100% wide open for a TD and a tied game. (Even with Zach's injury he can make that toss.)
But we wanted the "high percentage" short curl. Because we aren't bold. This is Buck and MOS. I bet Zach was told only throw to Kenny if Demski had some guy in front of him. We had 6 on 6 with the heat coming and no one was busting through immediately, there was even maybe time for a double-move by Demski and a seam go route.
Dinwiddie and his braintrust studied our braintrust and knew that we are never bold. We are scared and wimpy and you'll always beat us by putting your money down on the scared and wimpy play call.
I don't know what it's going to take, but we aren't winning until we decide to be bold. Our team isn't the '21 team that can win everything on raw talent alone. 3rd and 3 to win the game and we should throw a mid pass, or bring out some play we haven't used all season. You don't throw a 5Y curl. In fact, it was a failed 5Y curl (probably to Demski) that lost us the '22 GC because TOR knocked it down and we couldn't kill the clock. I said after that play I never want to see the dumb expected short curl again!
Why doesn't someone @WFC study these things and learn from our mistakes?
The Brissett 4Q TD where he appears to be wide open... Booth got it wrong, it's BA37's fault, not Nick Taylor. It's also a function of Kramdi being out and strange substitutions all over the place. Yes, also we were down 1 man, but in this case it probably didn't matter.
Like most of what TOR's O was doing, the play design and call were brilliant. I'm not sure TOR used this all season. Brissett didn't do much of anything all season. He was the ace up the sleeve.
So BA37 gets in front of Brissett and thinks it's a zone sit and he's got it covered. But Brissett, after a pause, spins off BA and continues to the zone hole. BA figures Brissett is just a decoy, a nobody NAT who was rarely thrown to. He doesn't take him seriously and doesn't notice Brissett sneaking deeper.
Since BA had no one else in his zone, he should have followed Brissett to the hole and then Arbuckle either throws it for a possible INT, or he has to scramble or throw the wide-out (well covered by a pinned DB). In any event, it's probably not a TD.
That play was 100% the TOR braintrust and Brissett executing the feint, and TOR's OL providing time. Arbuckle was just playing pitch & catch to a wide open REC; nothing special.
You could argue the zone D at that moment was a dumb move by Younger, but we had the injury substitutions causing confusion, so maybe that's the best we could do. We couldn't get pressure with 4 as TOR had 6 blocking.
Maybe we meant to have 2 FS so Nick could cheat over to that side... who knows. It was a shambles of a play, but it's unfair to pin it on Taylor like TSN did.
I want to contrast the creativity of genius of this play to the Demski 3rd & 3 curl. Why did TOR have these genius plays dialed up and we had braindead 5Y curls? Why didn't we do something like this when we had those 2 wasted redzone visits? Nah, just corner fades and curls and plain simple page 1 book plays. Really sad. We used to outsmart teams... now they always outsmart us.
I did a scoring breakdown of every player making great or horrible plays.
By net count, the most effective players were (in no particular order):
Garbutt
Bonds
Willie
Haba
Taylor
Pokey
Brady
Guys with big net-negatives:
Nichols
Kenny
Wheatfall
Alexander
With limited play or action, guys that stood out as positives:
Hallett
Gauthier
Ayers
Holm
The OL did very well, except maybe in garbage time when focus was lost and morale was gone. But you cannot take a IP on play #1!!
Zach had some great moments before injury, though also a couple of bad ones, so maybe a wash until it all fell apart.
Buck and MOS severely let us down. Zero creativity. Zero boldness. Zero lessons learned from the last 2 GC losses. Zero foresight. Zero preparation throughout the year for this game. Just "trust the process", but the process only gets you to the cup: it doesn't win it. We aren't good enough to just walk in unprepared and win GCs anymore.
Our braintrust should start RIGHT NOW preparing to beat TOR or MTL in the '25 GC. At worst it's wasted time, at best it wins us the next cup. Dinwiddie studied how to beat WPG for all of '24, and he cleaned our clocks with a "journeyman" (to be generous) QB.
Agree or disagree: TOR D seemed to have our O's number from the moment of kickoff in the GC.
It's like they were in our playbook or listening in to helmet calls, eh?
I go back to the Agudosi late-signing last year and the Scott(?) late-signing this year. Both players signed and dropped within weeks. Many people tell me it doesn't matter, and they don't spill the book, etc.
But man, it sure looks like TOR knows what our O is gonna do, eh? Just saying. Maybe we should try the late-season "player debrief" trick next year. It only costs a few $K on SMS. If you're not winning, why not look at what the other guy who's consistently beating you is doing. What can it hurt?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 02, 2024, 08:54:25 AMAgree or disagree: TOR D seemed to have our O's number from the moment of kickoff in the GC.
It's like they were in our playbook or listening in to helmet calls, eh?
I go back to the Agudosi late-signing last year and the Scott(?) late-signing this year. Both players signed and dropped within weeks. Many people tell me it doesn't matter, and they don't spill the book, etc.
But man, it sure looks like TOR knows what our O is gonna do, eh? Just saying. Maybe we should try the late-season "player debrief" trick next year. It only costs a few $K on SMS. If you're not winning, why not look at what the other guy who's consistently beating you is doing. What can it hurt?
Scott was here for like 2 weeks maybe ? Don't think he memorized our entire playbook in that time...
Quote from: bluengold204 on December 02, 2024, 01:41:54 PMScott was here for like 2 weeks maybe ? Don't think he memorized our entire playbook in that time...
Of course he didn't. It's just Techno's conspiracy idea that this is some magic bullet solution.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 02, 2024, 08:15:36 AMThe Brissett 4Q TD where he appears to be wide open... Booth got it wrong, it's BA37's fault, not Nick Taylor. It's also a function of Kramdi being out and strange substitutions all over the place. Yes, also we were down 1 man, but in this case it probably didn't matter.
So BA37 gets in front of Brissett and thinks it's a zone sit and he's got it covered. But Brissett, after a pause, spins off BA and continues to the zone hole. BA figures Brissett is just a decoy, a nobody NAT who was rarely thrown to. He doesn't take him seriously and doesn't notice Brissett sneaking deeper.
Since BA had no one else in his zone, he should have followed Brissett to the hole and then Arbuckle either throws it for a possible INT, or he has to scramble or throw the wide-out (well covered by a pinned DB). In any event, it's probably not a TD.
That play was 100% the TOR braintrust and Brissett executing the feint, and TOR's OL providing time. Arbuckle was just playing pitch & catch to a wide open REC; nothing special.
You could argue the zone D at that moment was a dumb move by Younger, but we had the injury substitutions causing confusion, so maybe that's the best we could do. We couldn't get pressure with 4 as TOR had 6 blocking.
Maybe we meant to have 2 FS so Nick could cheat over to that side... who knows. It was a shambles of a play, but it's unfair to pin it on Taylor like TSN did.
Just wondering, on the Brissett TD wasn't BA in for Kramdi at Dime?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 02, 2024, 04:45:13 PMJust wondering, on the Brissett TD wasn't BA in for Kramdi at Dime?
Yes, so many guys out of position on that one, and so much confusion. MOS even admitted to as much in the post-game and season-ender.
Kramdi being a NAT really screwed everything up when he was out, because we didn't have like-for-like (another NAT SAM) to just plug & play, so we had to get the NAT elsewhere on the field.
What a gong show. Still, it's more than a little disturbing MOS/Younger weren't prepared to deal with such an injury in this important game. No excuse for being short a D player TWICE in a GC game! Holy smokes.
Quote from: bluengold204 on December 02, 2024, 01:41:54 PMScott was here for like 2 weeks maybe ? Don't think he memorized our entire playbook in that time...
Cell phone cameras? Still, just being there for practice and seeing the new wrinkles Buck brings each week, even if only a couple/few...
I love how you guys believe that everyone in the CFL is 100% squeaky clean and no one would ever try inter-team / former-team info-sharing/buying. 15 years ago in F1 a Ferrari guy got wrekt for giving data to McLaren. Massive scandal in the world's richest sport. Resulted in insane fines and punishments.
And the MLB signal-stealing scandal a few years back? And wasn't there a drone-soccer scandal last year?
Heck, it wouldn't even be a "crime" or big deal if a WPG guy got a fat few-weeks' paycheck to "play" for TOR and spill everything he knows. I don't even think the league would sanction anyone even if they all came out and said that is precisely what they were doing.
TOR's now done it 2 years in a row. When they do it 3, 4, 5, 6 in a row, will you consider it a possibility then? On one side there's paranoia, on the other there's naivete.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 03, 2024, 03:30:50 AMCell phone cameras? Still, just being there for practice and seeing the new wrinkles Buck brings each week, even if only a couple/few...
I love how you guys believe that everyone in the CFL is 100% squeaky clean and no one would ever try inter-team / former-team info-sharing/buying. 15 years ago in F1 a Ferrari guy got wrekt for giving data to McLaren. Massive scandal in the world's richest sport. Resulted in insane fines and punishments.
And the MLB signal-stealing scandal a few years back? And wasn't there a drone-soccer scandal last year?
Heck, it wouldn't even be a "crime" or big deal if a WPG guy got a fat few-weeks' paycheck to "play" for TOR and spill everything he knows. I don't even think the league would sanction anyone even if they all came out and said that is precisely what they were doing.
TOR's now done it 2 years in a row. When they do it 3, 4, 5, 6 in a row, will you consider it a possibility then? On one side there's paranoia, on the other there's naivete.
Everyone admits it happens. It's the first thing that's asked of any incoming player or coach.
Most just think you are far over-stating the impact it has.
6 months of game film shows way more than any player can share.
Quote from: Jesse on December 03, 2024, 05:07:13 PMMost just think you are far over-stating the impact it has.
6 months of game film shows way more than any player can share.
So TOR D was just that much better prepared and smart and lucky than our similarly-rated D in the GC... eh? It's just that simple? Can't possibly be any inside info helping out or shenanigans?
I can understand TOR D being modestly better prepped and coached for the game, as clearly TOR puts more effort into it than we do... but like twice as good better? Really?
TOR D did to us in the GC what we did to the much-worse SSK D in the WDF. Maybe more so. We had one good series ALL GAME. One. (Pity series doesn't count).
If you ask me it looked like TOR had our route/call chart AND tapped into our helmet transmissions. But that's just me. Or our O was just that pathetically horrifically awful and useless. I bet the real answer is somewhere in the middle.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 04, 2024, 07:09:24 AMSo TOR D was just that much better prepared and smart and lucky than our similarly-rated D in the GC... eh? It's just that simple? Can't possibly be any inside info helping out or shenanigans?
I can understand TOR D being modestly better prepped and coached for the game, as clearly TOR puts more effort into it than we do... but like twice as good better? Really?
TOR D did to us in the GC what we did to the much-worse SSK D in the WDF. Maybe more so. We had one good series ALL GAME. One. (Pity series doesn't count).
If you ask me it looked like TOR had our route/call chart AND tapped into our helmet transmissions. But that's just me. Or our O was just that pathetically horrifically awful and useless. I bet the real answer is somewhere in the middle.
You're out to lunch Techno... Toronto's D didn't just play great against us in the grey cup. They played great against us all season. First game we scored 14 points on them and second we scored 11. They had our number all season well before they pickup Scott for any extra info.
Quote from: bluengold204 on December 04, 2024, 02:54:37 PMYou're out to lunch Techno... Toronto's D didn't just play great against us in the grey cup. They played great against us all season. First game we scored 14 points on them and second we scored 11. They had our number all season well before they pickup Scott for any extra info.
This is it, the D played well enough to win all the games against the Argos and the Als last season but the O underperformed in every one of them. It's probably a good thing the OC is being changed, somebody has to get more out of the $600k QB, he has performed below average when facing the tougher teams in recent years.
Quote from: bluengold204 on December 04, 2024, 02:54:37 PMYou're out to lunch Techno... Toronto's D didn't just play great against us in the grey cup. They played great against us all season. First game we scored 14 points on them and second we scored 11. They had our number all season well before they pickup Scott for any extra info.
What I said explains that too. It's not just the GC, and it's not just Scott, it's also Agudosi late in '23. And who knows what other nefarious things they get up to.
They are a garbage organization: swearing and punching at fans, allowing the Kelly abuse, calling fans no-no words in public, signing opponent players for a couple of weeks then cutting them a day after GC.
It could come out that they are literally cheating and it would not surprise me one bit.
I get you don't like the Argos, can't say I m too fond of them either, but we have to own why we lost.
Toronto's defense wasn't that great, it was our poor passing game execution that lead to the interceptions and pick sixes. You call a smarter game plan and is designed around completing high percentage passes and not turning the ball over, and there's a different outcome in the grey cup. That's on us, not them. They just took full advantage over our mistakes, our mistakes not their great plays. Yes, they had to intercept the ball, but heck I could have intercepted those passes.
Yes that organization does some classless things but that grey cup loss is on us, not them cheating.