I show there were 88 players on the 6 game IR and 21 on the 1 game IR around the league before this week.
Scott Hutter in Edmonton was injured and it has been reported that it was season ending.
Erik Brooks in Calgary looked to have broken his arm yesterday but nothing confirmed yet.
Bailey Feltmate in Winnipeg also appeared to have a serious injury this week. Not confirmed yet.
There were other injuries in games around the league awaiting confirmation.
Of most interest is the status of Fajardo in Montreal.
It's been a brutal early part of the season.
Its those darned Guardian Caps.
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 09:56:41 PMIt's also. This two game exhibition series. Players are rushed in to play without proper conditioning and team time to co.ordinate.
Well maybe. I'm not sure about that. In the old days there were 4 pre season games and 16 regular season games. The 1st pre season game was always pretty quick, so not much has changed really. There has been less desire for vets to play in at least part of the 2nd game.
Limited hitting in practice and shorter time allowed might be a factor.
I see Ottawa just added T. Harris to the 6 game IR today after injury this weekend.
Players are bigger, faster and better athletes than in the past. That's the upside. The downside is they hit faster and harder I suppose. Most grass surfaces are now replaced with carpet on concrete. Even though those surfaces have improved I'm not sure grass is more forgiving in some cases.
I'd like to see rosters increased in size by 4. That might help rotation with larger depth on the AR and prevent some over work to prevent some injuries.
Unfortunately it's the nature of the sport being so hard hitting. We see the same issue in the NFL now too.
Most players are supreme stud athletes who train all year long and take supplements to assist in muscle growth and recovery.
100% they are bigger and faster and when big and fast hits big and fast, ligaments, tendons and bones get broken. Helmets are made better and safer than in the past and rules have changed to help protect players which is a very good thing or else there would be even more injuries.
Agree that roster size should be increased to help restock depleted rosters due to injury makes total sense.
Quote from: dd on July 22, 2024, 11:14:30 PMMost players are supreme stud athletes who train all year long and take supplements to assist in muscle growth and recovery.
100% they are bigger and faster and when big and fast hits big and fast, ligaments, tendons and bones get broken. Helmets are made better and safer than in the past and rules have changed to help protect players which is a very good thing or else there would be even more injuries.
Agree that roster size should be increased to help restock depleted rosters due to injury makes total sense.
Just like in hockey, bigger, stronger, faster, doesn't necessarily make for better games.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 22, 2024, 11:21:42 PMJust like in hockey, bigger, stronger, faster, doesn't necessarily make for better games.
I thought this years SC final was some of the fastest, most skilled hockey I ve seen in a long long time. Think back to the lad clutch and grab , throw the goon line out to bring some 'energy' to the game. That's was sad, disgraceful hockey
Quote from: dd on July 23, 2024, 12:00:53 AMI thought this years SC final was some of the fastest, most skilled hockey I ve seen in a long long time. Think back to the lad clutch and grab , throw the goon line out to bring some 'energy' to the game. That's was sad, disgraceful hockey
You need to go way back beyond that time, watch the documentary "Red Army" to see the epitome of hockey skills combined with teamwork. I grew up on the WHA Jets, love hockey but not keen on the current style of play.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 23, 2024, 02:07:17 AMYou need to go way back beyond that time, watch the documentary "Red Army" to see the epitome of hockey skills combined with teamwork. I grew up on the WHA Jets, love hockey but not keen on the current style of play.
Agree 100% The Americanisation of hockey has ruined what used to be a beautiful game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 10:16:01 PMLimited hitting in practice and shorter time allowed might be a factor.
Players are bigger, faster and better athletes than in the past. That's the upside. The downside is they hit faster and harder I suppose. Most grass surfaces are now replaced with carpet on concrete. Even though those surfaces have improved I'm not sure grass is more forgiving in some cases.
The tiny amount of practice time just blows my mind. Often they are reporting they had a 1.25 hour practice, etc. What the heck is that? How does a player get conditioned or better without a "real" (i.e. long) practice? My quip about 1 hours of milling around on field followed by calling it a day to go get slurpees at the 7-11 down the street may not be that far off. And no one would care if they are winning: but we suck erratic rocks right now!
As for surfaces: you need to get to WPG sometime and come down on-field post-game. Or maybe BC lets fans on-field too? Get down on the turf. It's like floating on the moon it's so bouncy and squishy. I bet it hurts 1/10th as much as falling down on TOR's real mud & grass. It's more like a yoga mat.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 10:16:01 PMWell maybe. I'm not sure about that. In the old days there were 4 pre season games and 16 regular season games. The 1st pre season game was always pretty quick, so not much has changed really. There has been less desire for vets to play in at least part of the 2nd game.
Limited hitting in practice and shorter time allowed might be a factor.
I see Ottawa just added T. Harris to the 6 game IR today after injury this weekend.
Players are bigger, faster and better athletes than in the past. That's the upside. The downside is they hit faster and harder I suppose. Most grass surfaces are now replaced with carpet on concrete. Even though those surfaces have improved I'm not sure grass is more forgiving in some cases.
I'd like to see rosters increased in size by 4. That might help rotation with larger depth on the AR and prevent some over work to prevent some injuries.
Unfortunately it's the nature of the sport being so hard hitting. We see the same issue in the NFL now too.
I'm not sure about a lot of your ideas or theories but this is a good one probably not for the reason you're assuming though. Bigger rosters would only equate to a better product on the field. More development. More in-game options and a stronger product. Whether it would lower the number of injuries or not, I'm not sure. They would likely go up just on the simple math of 8 more players per game who could be injured.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 23, 2024, 01:18:29 PMI'm not sure about a lot of your ideas or theories but this is a good one probably not for the reason you're assuming though. Bigger rosters would only equate to a better product on the field. More development. More in-game options and a stronger product. Whether it would lower the number of injuries or not, I'm not sure. They would likely go up just on the simple math of 8 more players per game who could be injured.
It might have a marginal improvement in reducing wear and tear. However, it was more about the on field product quality and having players in the development curve.
The catch 22 issue is that even on ELC @ $74K each that's costly for some teams already losing money.
Ratio is also an issue but even I would agree adding 4 more Canadians might be a good thing in the long run.
Obviously I would prefer 2 more DI's and 2 more Canadians but I wouldn't balk at restricting it to 4 Canadians choices. I've mentioned that 2 dedicated spots on the PR for globals could be eliminated. The overall PR size / cost could be reduced while the AR cost increased. Partial offsetting.
Another approach would be to eliminate the 2 global spots by just changing them to normal DI's and then adding 2 more Canadian spots.
That way, global players could still make the roster by winning their spot instead of by default.
Net result would be a smaller increase in total roster size, although I think + 4 would still be my preference.
I'm open to suggestions on which combinations others would like. Not that we get to dictate what the CFLPA does.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 23, 2024, 05:39:54 AMThe tiny amount of practice time just blows my mind. Often they are reporting they had a 1.25 hour practice, etc. What the heck is that? How does a player get conditioned or better without a "real" (i.e. long) practice? My quip about 1 hours of milling around on field followed by calling it a day to go get slurpees at the 7-11 down the street may not be that far off. And no one would care if they are winning: but we suck erratic rocks right now!
As for surfaces: you need to get to WPG sometime and come down on-field post-game. Or maybe BC lets fans on-field too? Get down on the turf. It's like floating on the moon it's so bouncy and squishy. I bet it hurts 1/10th as much as falling down on TOR's real mud & grass. It's more like a yoga mat.
The expectation is that you do conditioning outside of practice. It's football practice, not track or weight training.
Quote from: Jesse on July 23, 2024, 07:28:10 PMThe expectation is that you do conditioning outside of practice. It's football practice, not track or weight training.
Yes, your are correct. These guy's are there for most of the day. Practice is only for 1.5 hours but, then there's strength and conditioning. Then the video room. And then for the injured, or banged up players are off to see the trainers.
Feltmate was transferred to 6 game IR as I thought might happen. No other transactions mentioned but the alternatives were discussed earlier. Since his primary value was on ST's we'll see how they cover that role and whether we suffer any down grade. Grant is already dangerous and has a kick return TD in 3 consecutive games.
I l, give you the linemen likely workout more that the buffet than the gym (other than Jefferson who's jacked!!, but look at receivers like begelton, rhymes, Bailey, Woli, their jacked physical specimens who obviously put the time in. Blocking takes muscles to over power your opponent, otherwise you can just try holding him!!
Hmmm. B. Cole transferred to 6 game IR. M. Bridges and M. Charbonneau added to AR. Samson moved to PR from 1 game IR.
Another game and another 2 players gone to long term 6 game IR!!!
An extra DB might be useful in speed off the edge at times to contain Dukes?
Quote from: Jesse on July 23, 2024, 07:28:10 PMThe expectation is that you do conditioning outside of practice. It's football practice, not track or weight training.
Ya, but football the game is 95% about what you do together as a
team. The muscles and conditioning don't win you squat. And our issue right now is things aren't gelling as a team... So I'll stick to my point about 1.25hr practice a day being really lame.
For instance, Zach's timing to the Rs isn't going to get any better by watching film and lifting weights.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 24, 2024, 03:12:17 AMHmmm. B. Cole transferred to 6 game IR. M. Bridges and M. Charbonneau added to AR. Samson moved to PR from 1 game IR.
Cole being out is kinda medium-bad. He's seeing more reps and is a great backup for a couple of spots. I'm not happy about this surprising news.
If anyone would have made a perfect Dukes spy on passing downs, it's Cole.
Quote from: DM83 on July 24, 2024, 08:32:49 AMThe concept of applying any one linebacker out of the ability to play in. Regular zone drops leaves a void. Your defence should be sound enough to account for potentially escapable QBs. Agreed though, Dukes is awesome.
Speaking of which, what does Toronto do with Dukes when Kelly becomes available to play?
Is that you, MOS?! Lol. Besides MOS, you're the only other person I've heard say that (even though it should be true in theory).
So many other teams employ spies, at least on 2nd & long. So there's tons of data. Does "spying" work? From my vantage point the answer screams "yes"! And hey, if many think Biggie is useless out there, you put in a fast/shifty LB instead of Biggie on passing downs and boom he's your spy... there: nothing lost!
When Kelly comes back Dukes returns to the bench and maybe SY duty. 100%. I think Dukes is overrated because TOR is still a possibly East-leading team. If Kelly had been in all these weeks they likely have the same record as MTL. And if Dukes had been starting for EDM or HAM they'd still be losing. Since Dukes is clearly capable (though not world-beating) and cheap, you keep him as your spare if Kelly gets hurt. That's the way you win GCs.
P.S. If you're in man coverage with a deep FS, or even cover-2 zone where all routes are set to clear the flat (or at least half the flat) (MTL does this a lot), then there is zero help to stop a QB run through a big gap or edge. Assuming your 4 DL are getting molested and can't shed blocks or went too deep (etc.), of course. As such, I'd argue a spy could be very helpful in those schemes.
AJ Ouellette will not play in the @sskroughriders' Week 8 matchup against the Montreal Alouettes.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 24, 2024, 08:47:33 AMIs that you, MOS?! Lol. Besides MOS, you're the only other person I've heard say that (even though it should be true in theory).
So many other teams employ spies, at least on 2nd & long. So there's tons of data. Does "spying" work? From my vantage point the answer screams "yes"! And hey, if many think Biggie is useless out there, you put in a fast/shifty LB instead of Biggie on passing downs and boom he's your spy... there: nothing lost!
When Kelly comes back Dukes returns to the bench and maybe SY duty. 100%. I think Dukes is overrated because TOR is still a possibly East-leading team. If Kelly had been in all these weeks they likely have the same record as MTL. And if Dukes had been starting for EDM or HAM they'd still be losing. Since Dukes is clearly capable (though not world-beating) and cheap, you keep him as your spare if Kelly gets hurt. That's the way you win GCs.
P.S. If you're in man coverage with a deep FS, or even cover-2 zone where all routes are set to clear the flat (or at least half the flat) (MTL does this a lot), then there is zero help to stop a QB run through a big gap or edge. Assuming your 4 DL are getting molested and can't shed blocks or went too deep (etc.), of course. As such, I'd argue a spy could be very helpful in those schemes.
What I dont understand is how a team can run the same play repeatedly and you don't adjust. Sask ran the quick slant with both Ajou and Shafer Baker repeatedly on the right side.
Do you not have a safety or lb shift to provide coverage? Or are they just too slow to get there?
Particularly when our shorter dbs are so outmatched size wise.
It seems as though opposing qbs just look at which lb is on the line to rush and simply throw there cause our backup coverage is too slow
Quote from: DM83 on July 24, 2024, 12:49:07 AMlol!
Some misconceptions from fans who have heroe worship fantasies about their football heroes.
You would be surprised how many players are not sculpted like Greek gods.
Some of these receivers haven't lifted a weight in their life. Same with the linemen . Some are just large people I trained with a lot of people who had pro aspartions. Like I said some of the linemen were not muscle bound. Why not check out some of your favourite big guys bi-ceps? You would've surprised at the lack of size and definition of their arms. I always thought that revealed how much a guy worked out.
Usually linebackers and running backs were the most "cut' guys. I found that almost everyone could run there were a few of the bigger guys who were challenged. I figured they really only had to run minimally about seven yards I thought the size or at least definition equated to their workout commitment. Of course if they couldn't be agile, they probably wouldn't put play....but looked better on the beach. Lol?
But those barrel chested guys were in a class if their own.
I couldn't agree more.
Bighill is jacked as is Brady Shane Gauthier is a guy who looks like he works out on the reg.
Next time you see Willie check out those arms. You'd thought they'd be bigger but he is super long and lean.
Demski is my size less 5 lbs of fat but has skinnier arms than me. Same size legs.
Strevy is just a big dude at QB. Again not the biggest arms but barrel chested and big legs.
It is always interesting to see these guys up close!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 24, 2024, 02:01:45 PMAJ Ouellette will not play in the @sskroughriders' Week 8 matchup against the Montreal Alouettes.
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Kian Baker is out as well for the Riders.
Fajardo moved to 6 game IR this morning. Yikes!!! Hamstring could bother him the rest of the year. Hard to tell if he can come off early or get extended.
Kaion Grant listed as doubtful in Montreal
Brinkman and Edouard moved to 6 game IR in Toronto.
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 09:56:41 PMIt's also. This two game exhibition series. Players are rushed in to play without proper conditioning and team time to co.ordinate.
WAHH WAHH WAHH! 😩 How about best combined score 2 game playoffs or even best of 3 game CFL finals back in the day?! Those were true warriors! :) Sorry, but cry babies is my take on todays whiners. It's the same for all teams with a short week or two per season (or at least should be).
P.S. NFL HAS MUCH the same issue. Games Thursday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday every week almost. So not only in the CFL does this situation exist. If the CFL is bush league, then so is the "GREAT ALL BEING" NFL! :D ;) An inferior game if you truly examine the details. KICKOFFS and PUNTS are bathroom breaks 95% of the time. Totally useless. Only more hype, money and better players, but the sport itself is uninteresting outside the top 10 teams or so. JUST MY OPINION! ;) 6-3 snoozefests are hockey scores, not for football games.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/alouettes-place-qb-cody-fajardo-on-six-game-injured-list-ahead-of-roughriders-meeting-1.2152584
Caleb Evans the starter now. Montreal could be in a world of hurt for a while unless their defence can carry them!! OTTAWA rockets up to the top of the heap maybe now in the East! ;)
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 24, 2024, 02:43:22 PMKian Baker is out as well for the Riders.
Fajardo moved to 6 game IR this morning. Yikes!!! Hamstring could bother him the rest of the year. Hard to tell if he can come off early or get extended.
Kaion Grant listed as doubtful in Montreal
Brinkman and Edouard moved to 6 game IR in Toronto.
ouch regarding Fajardo. That could be a real issue for the Als going forward.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 24, 2024, 05:05:18 PMhttps://www.tsn.ca/cfl/alouettes-place-qb-cody-fajardo-on-six-game-injured-list-ahead-of-roughriders-meeting-1.2152584
Caleb Evans the starter now. Montreal could be in a world of hurt for a while unless their defence can carry them!! OTTAWA rockets up to the top of the heap maybe now in the East! ;)
I don't think Ottawa will rise to the east but Hamilton made a statement last week in beating the Argos soundly, maybe they've got things figured out there. One thing for sure, if fajardo is out, Alouettes go to zero with a bullet as Caleb Evans totally sucks as a Qb
Quote from: dd on July 25, 2024, 01:26:11 AMI don't think Ottawa will rise to the east but Hamilton made a statement last week in beating the Argos soundly, maybe they've got things figured out there. One thing for sure, if fajardo is out, Alouettes go to zero with a bullet as Caleb Evans totally sucks as a Qb
Not sold on Ti-Cats yet. Get another good win and maybe I will change my mind.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 24, 2024, 05:05:18 PMCaleb Evans the starter now. Montreal could be in a world of hurt for a while unless their defence can carry them!! OTTAWA rockets up to the top of the heap maybe now in the East! ;)
SSK really lucked out with Cody staying out, as does HAM next week and week 10 and then SSK again! MTL will still be tough with that D (is Dequoy still out?), but their O will be like SSK's and ours... anemic.
MTL might go QB shopping? Do they have any pieces we need? Strev would be a good fit there and the price is right for them... could we ask for 2 monster ELC-ish guys for our DL and/or Ento or Dequoy? Yes, that would mean we put ALL of our eggs in the Zach basket and he has to stay healthy. But without a huge gamble like that, will we win much and make the GC?? (Strevie will hate us for it, too...)
What other QBs are out there for MTL? Dukes won't be useful until after week 9. Who is good enough to give them .500 until Cody returns? When does Masoli come back in OTT: he'd be good in MTL.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2024, 06:45:27 AMSSK really lucked out with Cody staying out, as does HAM next week and week 10 and then SSK again! MTL will still be tough with that D (is Dequoy still out?), but their O will be like SSK's and ours... anemic.
MTL might go QB shopping? Do they have any pieces we need? Strev would be a good fit there and the price is right for them... could we ask for 2 monster ELC-ish guys for our DL and/or Ento or Dequoy? Yes, that would mean we put ALL of our eggs in the Zach basket and he has to stay healthy. But without a huge gamble like that, will we win much and make the GC?? (Strevie will hate us for it, too...)
What other QBs are out there for MTL? Dukes won't be useful until after week 9. Who is good enough to give them .500 until Cody returns? When does Masoli come back in OTT: he'd be good in MTL.
That's just nuts.
Too bad about Fajardo - CFL is better when he is playing. Evans is a pretty big slide unless Maas has some magic up his sleeve.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2024, 06:45:27 AMSSK really lucked out with Cody staying out, as does HAM next week and week 10 and then SSK again! MTL will still be tough with that D (is Dequoy still out?), but their O will be like SSK's and ours... anemic.
MTL might go QB shopping? Do they have any pieces we need? Strev would be a good fit there and the price is right for them... could we ask for 2 monster ELC-ish guys for our DL and/or Ento or Dequoy? Yes, that would mean we put ALL of our eggs in the Zach basket and he has to stay healthy. But without a huge gamble like that, will we win much and make the GC?? (Strevie will hate us for it, too...)
What other QBs are out there for MTL? Dukes won't be useful until after week 9. Who is good enough to give them .500 until Cody returns? When does Masoli come back in OTT: he'd be good in MTL.
A: Strevie is a great SY / #2 / emergency guy. But no one is even trading a Daquoy straight up for him, never mind Daquoy +.
B: Cody may not return, hamstrings are bad when they are minor, terrible when they are full.
c: If you are proposing a trade, and you think Strevie has that much value, then the more obvious trade is for Collaros. But no one makes that trade, from either side. Not at the present moment.
If MTL wants to trade, MBT might be available, one of Arbuckle or Dukes, even a Patterson would all be in front of Strevie on teh want list.
More likely, they pick up a Mason Fine, or a USFL QB...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2024, 06:45:27 AMSSK really lucked out with Cody staying out, as does HAM next week and week 10 and then SSK again! MTL will still be tough with that D (is Dequoy still out?), but their O will be like SSK's and ours... anemic.
MTL might go QB shopping? Do they have any pieces we need? Strev would be a good fit there and the price is right for them... could we ask for 2 monster ELC-ish guys for our DL and/or Ento or Dequoy? Yes, that would mean we put ALL of our eggs in the Zach basket and he has to stay healthy. But without a huge gamble like that, will we win much and make the GC?? (Strevie will hate us for it, too...)
What other QBs are out there for MTL? Dukes won't be useful until after week 9. Who is good enough to give them .500 until Cody returns? When does Masoli come back in OTT: he'd be good in MTL.
Fajardo put on to the 6 game IR! Montreal magic could be going down the tubes.
Masoli back on Ottawa's AR.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 25, 2024, 08:38:09 PMMasoli back on Ottawa's AR.
Wish him best but I have my doubts...
Good on him to rehab and get back into it...but still....hope he has a better run this time around.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 25, 2024, 08:38:09 PMMasoli back on Ottawa's AR.
Yay (as one of the biggest Masoli fans)! And I was just mentioning him. Seems a bit early.
If I'm OTT, I'm putting Masoli in for a series to hopefully show he's still got it, then dangle him as trade-bait in front of MTL. He's totally superfluous in OTT now: he's on the "pity roster".
But he has to prove he's still got it first! From MTL's perspective they get a possibly GC-level guy for a very tiny SMS hit.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 25, 2024, 03:18:11 PMIf MTL wants to trade, MBT might be available, one of Arbuckle or Dukes, even a Patterson would all be in front of Strevie on teh want list.
More likely, they pick up a Mason Fine, or a USFL QB...
Fine is Caleb Evans level. No reason to even trade.
MBT is intriguing... if he sucks 1 more game and JJ is antsy, they could pull the plug. He's not their problem, but they seem keen on the optics of "doing something", and trading MBT sure would be "doing something"!
Dukes won't be traded anywhere until Kelly back, and in any event, he's their GC-run insurance. He won't be traded. Arbuckle maybe? But he's a known Franklin/Jennings.
What ever happened to Taylor Cornelius? The man from the original Planet of the Apes! :D
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 26, 2024, 12:14:31 AMWhat ever happened to Taylor Cornelius? The man from the original Planet of the Apes! :D
Are you drinking tonight? :D
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 26, 2024, 12:16:22 AMAre you drinking tonight? :D
And Caleb Evans is better?! :D
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 26, 2024, 12:29:10 AMAnd Caleb Evans is better?! :D
nah you're worse by the sounds of it. At least he can function. lol Johnny Bravo
This Rider team reminding me of the Argos last year (and we all know what happened to them).
Quote from: J5V on July 26, 2024, 12:39:41 AMThis Rider team reminding me of the Argos last year (and we all know what happened to them).
So playoff implosive coming? :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2024, 11:00:18 PMFine is Caleb Evans level. No reason to even trade.
MBT is intriguing... if he sucks 1 more game and JJ is antsy, they could pull the plug. He's not their problem, but they seem keen on the optics of "doing something", and trading MBT sure would be "doing something"!
Dukes won't be traded anywhere until Kelly back, and in any event, he's their GC-run insurance. He won't be traded. Arbuckle maybe? But he's a known Franklin/Jennings.
Fine is better than Evans but if Montreal wants to stick with him great, they're going to zero with a bullet!!
Rider dirtbag DNA shows itself. LOL!
Alexander would look good in a Blue Bomber Jersey.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2024, 10:58:01 PMYay (as one of the biggest Masoli fans)! And I was just mentioning him. Seems a bit early.
If I'm OTT, I'm putting Masoli in for a series to hopefully show he's still got it, then dangle him as trade-bait in front of MTL. He's totally superfluous in OTT now: he's on the "pity roster".
But he has to prove he's still got it first! From MTL's perspective they get a possibly GC-level guy for a very tiny SMS hit.
I think MTL has found their next guy in Alexander... he looked impressive. Hard no to Masoli
Quote from: theaardvark on July 26, 2024, 03:32:10 AMI think MTL has found their next guy in Alexander... he looked impressive. Hard no to Masoli
Ya, easy to say hard no to Masoli now! MTL has the next Rourke right there, or so it would seem after 1 half... But who could have seen that coming? Before tonight no one had ever heard of the guy.
Now it's
Cody that better look over his shoulder!! :D :D :D
Love Wilson but, he has only played in 46 games for the Bomber in the last 5 years. About 9 games per season and back on the 6 game again.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 26, 2024, 03:32:10 AMI think MTL has found their next guy in Alexander... he looked impressive. Hard no to Masoli
Yeah where did this guy crawl out of last night? I thought the game was over at halftime for the CRYDERS and then I get back to watching it later in the evening and Montreal leading! Lost my pool pick, but seeing the CRYDERS choke is still nice!! :D The Banjos were playing old sad country songs last night in Riderville! :D ;)
Quote from: Pigskin on July 26, 2024, 07:49:41 PMLove Wilson but, he has only played in 46 games for the Bomber in the last 5 years. About 9 games per season and back on the 6 game again.
Ya, it's Ian Wild syndrome. It might be a function of the position. So many big hits so often and the body starts falling apart. Wilson may be the most important piece in our LB corps from a physical standpoint. He's so good against the run, decent at blitz... it's a real loss when he's out. Remember the start of '23 when he wasn't in and we really struggled against the run?
However, he's extremely good, so you don't just ditch him. What's most important is to be grooming the next WILL so when he's out we have good options. With Cole gone we are extremely limited right now.
Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2024, 01:47:15 PMLinebackers or strong safeties are really a dime a dozen. We should be able to fill his position easily. He is a very good CFL LB..
Well, the new Jones guy did a pretty good job tonight! I wonder how he'll score out. But I wouldn't say they're easy to obtain... we've had a hard time finding high quality WILLs when Wild and Wilson have been injured.
I guess we'll have to see if Woli and Neufeld will play this week. It's a short week which doesn't help. I think Woli just had his bell rung but he might have hurt his shoulder as well.
Didn't see Neufeld get hurt but that would force an import OL onto the AR probably with Eli starting?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 28, 2024, 01:43:09 PMI guess we'll have to see if Woli and Neufeld will play this week. It's a short week which doesn't help. I think Woli just had his bell rung but he might have hurt his shoulder as well.
Didn't see Neufeld get hurt but that would force an import OL onto the AR probably with Eli starting?
I'm not sure that Neufeld got hurt. I think he was replaced based on his play.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 28, 2024, 03:34:14 PMI'm not sure that Neufeld got hurt. I think he was replaced based on his play.
Ok. Good to know but he may be partially nicked which impacted his play. I don't know but if he's just relegated to a back up, then that doesn't force an import OL onto the roster. If an import is a better choice to start over Eli or Wallace I'd have to question why we didn't do that earlier.
If Woli can't play, I'd expect Whitehead to play in his spot. We need another back up receiver on offence even if Woli can play.
There are 12 back up players on defence and only 4 on offence ( excluding QB's ): Eli, Wallace, Augustine and Case. That's not a good combination.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 28, 2024, 03:34:14 PMI'm not sure that Neufeld got hurt. I think he was replaced based on his play.
He was limping around pretty badly out their.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 28, 2024, 04:58:43 PMHe was limping around pretty badly out their.
Fair enough, but he's been doing that for a while now.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 28, 2024, 01:43:09 PMI guess we'll have to see if Woli and Neufeld will play this week. It's a short week which doesn't help. I think Woli just had his bell rung but he might have hurt his shoulder as well.
Didn't see Neufeld get hurt but that would force an import OL onto the AR probably with Eli starting?
With Woli it's hip/lower back.
Ya, Woli got cranked, I felt it from my couch!!! Hope he's ok. He's our Mr Reliable out there and a veteran presence to calm the anxious youth we have in our lineup. If he's out, that means we're down to Demski from our starting recieving corps and he's definitely got ball security issues he needs to cleanup.
Woli got a devastating hit on his lower rib section, so it could be rib, back or hip that was affected, ut it definately hurt him, he's not one to stay down ever.
Wallace and Eli have been doing great in jumbo package, which might even be harder than guard seeing as the range they need to have. Inside things happen faster, sure, but they are right there. Wallace is a road grader, seeing him on the sidelines next to others is shocking. If he can come in at G at any time soon, I think that's OK.
Oline and protection for Zach, and Zach's performance was not the issue. Ball control was. And while I hate to whine, this could not have been a more one sided game from the officiating level. I know the review centre is in Toronto, but they sure seem to be On Toronto's team.
2-6 is not a record to be proud of, but it is not a record to give up on. lots of teams have come back from worse, and we are 2 games ahead of EDM, and 1 behind CGY. And playing far better than either.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 28, 2024, 05:39:58 PMWoli got a devastating hit on his lower rib section, so it could be rib, back or hip that was affected, ut it definately hurt him, he's not one to stay down ever.
Wallace and Eli have been doing great in jumbo package, which might even be harder than guard seeing as the range they need to have. Inside things happen faster, sure, but they are right there. Wallace is a road grader, seeing him on the sidelines next to others is shocking. If he can come in at G at any time soon, I think that's OK.
Oline and protection for Zach, and Zach's performance was not the issue. Ball control was. And while I hate to whine, this could not have been a more one sided game from the officiating level. I know the review centre is in Toronto, but they sure seem to be On Toronto's team.
2-6 is not a record to be proud of, but it is not a record to give up on. lots of teams have come back from worse, and we are 2 games ahead of EDM, and 1 behind CGY. And playing far better than either.
I agree with your comments on Wallace - I think he should be starting sooner than later.
Wallace definitely has the size, he's a monster. I'd love to see him in our lineup knocking heads with the opposing D line. Conversely, I think Dobson is too small and slow to be effective inside. I 'd swap one out for the other.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 28, 2024, 01:43:09 PMI guess we'll have to see if Woli and Neufeld will play this week. It's a short week which doesn't help. I think Woli just had his bell rung but he might have hurt his shoulder as well.
Didn't see Neufeld get hurt but that would force an import OL onto the AR probably with Eli starting?
When DT asked MOS post-game if Neufeld was injured or pulled for performance, MOS did not answer. Just said, "we'll see".
Quote from: Jesse on July 28, 2024, 06:42:39 PMWhen DT asked MOS post-game if Neufeld was injured or pulled for performance, MOS did not answer. Just said, "we'll see".
Holy smokes you guys... rumors start about Neuf and all of a sudden the daggers are out? 2 weeks ago everyone would have sworn Neufeld was our 2nd best OL after Big Stan!! Dobson, Lofton and even Ko-man were the punching bags.
I haven't studied the TOR game yet (will do soon) to see if Neuf was stinking the joint out... but even if he was, maybe he's nicked, maybe he had just one bad day. So why is everyone turning on our best, all-star, NAT OL? Crazy talk.
MOS saying "we'll see" is just MOS being MOS. That's his "I'm not telling you anything" and "I have no idea about injuries until mid-week and I won't tell you then anyhow" schtick. That's been him literally forever.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 28, 2024, 05:39:58 PMWoli got a devastating hit on his lower rib section, so it could be rib, back or hip that was affected, ut it definately hurt him, he's not one to stay down ever.
Quote from: dd on July 28, 2024, 05:34:17 PMIf he's out, that means we're down to Demski from our starting recieving corps and he's definitely got ball security issues he needs to cleanup.
Yup, my hunch is rib/lung because that's where he took a huge direct helmet hit. Don't forget he came back in to tough our a few snaps. He tried his best and probably updated the trainers on the pain situation and they pulled him.
But ya, could be any of the injuries you said. Or even the infamous Collaros "thorax".
Question for those having lived it: how long would each of these injuries take to heal?
Can you guys/gals believe that
out of our 5 desired week 1 starting receivers we're now down to just 1 starting in week 9?? Has this ever happened to any team ever? The fact we're still in the fight is actually quite astounding.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2024, 08:21:56 AMHoly smokes you guys... rumors start about Neuf and all of a sudden the daggers are out? 2 weeks ago everyone would have sworn Neufeld was our 2nd best OL after Big Stan!! Dobson, Lofton and even Ko-man were the punching bags.
I haven't studied the TOR game yet (will do soon) to see if Neuf was stinking the joint out... but even if he was, maybe he's nicked, maybe he had just one bad day. So why is everyone turning on our best, all-star, NAT OL? Crazy talk.
MOS saying "we'll see" is just MOS being MOS. That's his "I'm not telling you anything" and "I have no idea about injuries until mid-week and I won't tell you then anyhow" schtick. That's been him literally forever.
Just relaying information. I didn't even know Neufeld was out until I heard DT ask the question.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 29, 2024, 08:21:56 AMHoly smokes you guys... rumors start about Neuf and all of a sudden the daggers are out? 2 weeks ago everyone would have sworn Neufeld was our 2nd best OL after Big Stan!! Dobson, Lofton and even Ko-man were the punching bags.
I haven't studied the TOR game yet (will do soon) to see if Neuf was stinking the joint out... but even if he was, maybe he's nicked, maybe he had just one bad day. So why is everyone turning on our best, all-star, NAT OL? Crazy talk.
MOS saying "we'll see" is just MOS being MOS. That's his "I'm not telling you anything" and "I have no idea about injuries until mid-week and I won't tell you then anyhow" schtick. That's been him literally forever.
Dobson has been our best offensive lineman since about game 3. Stanley is still reliable and playing remarkably when you factor in his age. Unfortunately we don't get extra points for players playing longer than they should at an adequate level. The right side of the line has been in tough all year. Lofton has always been a pass protector mainly and Neufeld has really regressed. Kolankowski is probably playing about as good as he usually does but unfortunately when he's not surrounded by all-star play he's exposed.
Next year we'll probably have a completely rebuilt line.
It does seem like Neufeld has been the weak link this year.
I also thought that Eli would start over Dobson at the beginning of the season. I would imagine that Eli gets the opportunity to start before Wallace does.
We must remind ourselves this is Dobson's first yr as a starter. He arrived to the BB's highly touted so we gotta him time to settle in.
Wallace is the RG in waiting. But like 90% of rookie OL, he needs time to figure things out.
Eli is obviously the heir apparent to Kolankowski. It's just puzzling why it's taking so long.
Lofton is arguably the weakest RT in the league. But Osh prefers vets over rooks.
Bryant needs to keep drinking from the fountain of youth, or we're in big big trouble!
Quote from: Nic16 on July 29, 2024, 06:57:36 PMWe must remind ourselves this is Dobson's first yr as a starter. He arrived to the BB's highly touted so we gotta him time to settle in.
Wallace is the RG in waiting. But like 90% of rookie OL, he needs time to figure things out.
Eli is obviously the heir apparent to Kolankowski. It's just puzzling why it's taking so long.
Lofton is arguably the weakest RT in the league. But Osh prefers vets over rooks.
Bryant needs to keep drinking from the fountain of youth, or we're in big big trouble!
Not puzzling about Eli, he's an awesome 6th man, and is ready to step in at TE or OG/C in case of injury, but your vets who have time together stay together until you have a reason they shouldn't. If Kolo gets a better offer, or gets injured, or ages out, Eli is the next man up. Much like every year with our oline. We stick with the vets until there is a reason not to.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 29, 2024, 07:02:08 PMNot puzzling about Eli, he's an awesome 6th man, and is ready to step in at TE or OG/C in case of injury, but your vets who have time together stay together until you have a reason they shouldn't. If Kolo gets a better offer, or gets injured, or ages out, Eli is the next man up. Much like every year with our oline. We stick with the vets until there is a reason not to.
...You can't think of any reasons?! We're staring down the pipe of a full overhaul.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2024, 07:10:16 PM...You can't think of any reasons?! We're staring down the pipe of a full overhaul.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 29, 2024, 07:02:08 PMNot puzzling about Eli, he's an awesome 6th man, and is ready to step in at TE or OG/C in case of injury, but your vets who have time together stay together until you have a reason they shouldn't. If Kolo gets a better offer, or gets injured, or ages out, Eli is the next man up. Much like every year with our oline. We stick with the vets until there is a reason not to.
I guess performance or competition never enter the criteria?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2024, 05:28:33 PMKolankowski is probably playing about as good as he usually does but unfortunately when he's not surrounded by all-star play he's exposed.
This could be true. But we've never seen Ko-man play with a superb LG. Him and Gray always had issues with their A-gap... got a bit better, but never as good as Desjar/Couture was.
But I don't think WFC wants to ditch Ko-man: they've made him the "don't vape @PAS" jumbotron guy (ditching the much scarier and more effective Big Stan one IMHO), and they just gave him a practice presser last week (that NEVER happens... strange timing). I think the team is trying to build him up, not get ready to show him the door on a trade or FA.
And I'll never be sold on Eli as the starting C until I see it in action
and it works AND he puts on 20+ more lbs.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 29, 2024, 05:28:33 PMNext year we'll probably have a completely rebuilt line.
With the way we do the OL pipeline this is impossible. Where are these rebuild guys going to come from? Can't afford to build half or most an OL in FA with our budgets. As long as we have the over-ratio and no money, I would put all resources into finding IMP rookies and being open to starting them ANYWHERE, including C and either (both!) G! Rookie IMP OL would cost basically nothing and certainly can't suck worse than we have now if we shuffle through like 15 of them to find the keeper(s)? Unfortunately, doesn't help us this year, and will also lock is into the strange ratio we've been employing (which might suck for '26).
Quote from: LXTSN on July 29, 2024, 05:48:41 PMIt does seem like Neufeld has been the weak link this year.
Why? This doesn't "just happen". Not for a Neuf-caliber guy. He was our best remaining NAT. You can't just say "age" because didn't Walby play until he was 85, and the much more demanding RT spot?
It must mean Neuf is dinged up. He certainly was stout to begin the year. On the games I graded he was certainly not the problem guy. But I haven't checked the last 2 games yet...
Quote from: theaardvark on July 29, 2024, 07:02:08 PMNot puzzling about Eli, he's an awesome 6th man, and is ready to step in at TE or OG/C in case of injury, but your vets who have time together stay together until you have a reason they shouldn't. If Kolo gets a better offer, or gets injured, or ages out, Eli is the next man up. Much like every year with our oline. We stick with the vets until there is a reason not to.
Here's some reading for you about the offensive line https://3downnation.com/2024/07/30/yards-without-points-winnipeg-blue-bombers-can-move-football-but-cant-score-touchdowns/
So both Woli and Neufeld moved to 6 game IR. Anybody know the actual extent of their injuries? How about contract amounts?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2024, 04:45:47 PMSo both Woli and Neufeld moved to 6 game IR. Anybody know the actual extent of their injuries? How about contract amounts?
lol. You always ask questions for which there are no answers.
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2024, 04:59:45 PMlol. You always ask questions for which there are no answers.
There are posters that might have seen something on the telecast that I did not. There may be those that have local connections with more information. We're in living in a total vacuum.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2024, 05:53:39 PMThere are posters that might have seen something on the telecast that I did not. There may be those that have local connections with more information. We're in living in a total vacuum.
I was at the game and report that Neuf was injured. He limped off the field and it looked like the trainer was looking at his knee. A little surprised that it's a 6 game injury.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 30, 2024, 03:59:03 PMHere's some reading for you about the offensive line https://3downnation.com/2024/07/30/yards-without-points-winnipeg-blue-bombers-can-move-football-but-cant-score-touchdowns/
Great article - loaded with facts, numbers, examples...can't ask for much more analysis than that. It is a game and the other team is obviously trying to beat you every play - these trends and facts show us that we are getting beat on the o-line - teams will also smell blood and attack our weaknesses, that is happening on the o-line and you can bet every team we play knows to try and knock the ball loose - cause it is a weakness. This is what makes football so great and fun to watch (just not when your team is the one get feasted on).
Toronto release Canadian DL Joseph. Calgary releases American MLB Diego Fagot, 6'3" 247. Could be a good PR pickup.
The 6 game isn't the old 6 game. You can take as many players off at any time, so you put all of them on the 6 game if they look to be out for more than 1 game.
The Blue Bombers now have a league-high 13 players on the six-game injured list, including star receivers Kenny Lawler and Dalton Schoen
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2024, 04:59:45 PMlol. You always ask questions for which there are no answers.
Oh, there are answers alright... it's just us peons aren't privy to them.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 31, 2024, 06:03:17 PMI was at the game and report that Neuf was injured. He limped off the field and it looked like the trainer was looking at his knee. A little surprised that it's a 6 game injury.
See, that's is useful forum-only info. I saw & brokedown the play & limp-off, but only someone actually in TOR for the game could get the sideline details.
And now it's been reported it is his knee, it only confirms my guess and what Pigskin saw.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 31, 2024, 06:18:37 PMToronto release Canadian DL Joseph. Calgary releases American MLB Diego Fagot, 6'3" 247. Could be a good PR pickup.
He has already washed out of 2 teams this year. There must be something fundamentally wrong with him, as his physical attributes keep getting him looks but then they all pass.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2024, 06:11:43 AMHe has already washed out of 2 teams this year. There must be something fundamentally wrong with him, as his physical attributes keep getting him looks but then they all pass.
Never know, could be ratio or an over-supply of talent in one position. Ratio is the excuse the Argos used to cut Bailey, but have to think they would offer him a PR spot before doing that, which he was may have been too proud to accept.
Quote from: DM83 on August 01, 2024, 08:53:53 PMThe guys name is Fagot?
Likely French; might be pronounced "Fa-Joe".
Ayers, Kolo and Johnson all were pulled briefly in the game this week. I think they all returned. Ayers and Johnson were pulled for concussion protocol.
Kolo came up limping but I think he returned shortly afterwards?
Did we survive this game without losing more players to 6 game IR?
The bye gives us time to evaluate current players on 6 game IR that might be ready to return. I'm not sure if there are any besides Lawler that might fall into that category.
Haba came off 6 game IR and was moved to 1 game IR. In theory he could well be a candidate to be added to the AR for Aug 18 against the Lions.
We don't have an import on defence that isn't playing well ( on at least ST's ), so I'm not sure who might come off if he comes on.
This would be the time frame where we could see a couple of new faces brought in for the PR. NFL will be releasing some players soon.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 03, 2024, 03:58:02 PMNFL will be releasing some players soon.
Are you thinking we could pick up some Oline help here? Of course, all CFL teams will be looking to improve so it could get expensive.
Quote from: J5V on August 03, 2024, 04:06:17 PMAre you thinking we could pick up some Oline help here? Of course, all CFL teams will be looking to improve so it could get expensive.
Not specifically thinking of any positional players. Just thinking the " pool " of available choices increases.
OL generally take a full TC and / or longer to develop. Our long term plan probably isn't staying at 3 import OL but I suppose that could change.
OTOH we've been hard hit at the LB position so that might be an area to add a new candidate. It really depends on how long Cole and Wilson will really be out.
It boils down to who is available to consider, whether we need help at that position or not. There may be a neg list for example that comes free. PR players coming in mid season are here mostly for auditions for TC 2025 unless there are a bunch more injuries.
Hmmmm. A look at a new punter maybe? lol
Argos lose McManis and Hansen to 6 game IR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 03, 2024, 07:50:45 PMArgos lose McManis and Hansen to 6 game IR.
That's gonna hurt. Hoping they can find a way to spank the Stamps.
@FarhanLaljiTSN
QB Dom Davis signs with the #Alouettes as Caleb Evans is expected to go on the 6-game injured list. @cflontsn
Quote from: DCM on August 05, 2024, 09:52:52 PM@FarhanLaljiTSN
QB Dom Davis signs with the #Alouettes as Caleb Evans is expected to go on the 6-game injured list. @cflontsn
Guessing Fine is asking more, or wanting an opportunity to be better than #3... Pigrome, Pipkin are out there too...
Dom Davis is still kicking around?? He's got to be a better option than Evans, I don't see how that guy is still around.
Quote from: dd on August 06, 2024, 02:09:21 AMDom Davis is still kicking around?? He's got to be a better option than Evans, I don't see how that guy is still around.
Dom has had a ton of chances to start and be #2 and #3/SY. He sucks at the first, sucks at the second, and is pretty sucky at the third.
Caleb may still have some way to dev into a legit #2 or #1 (even if we doubt it). And Caleb isn't great at SY, but he's better than Dom.
However, Dom is better than nothing. He'll get you 80% on SY. Better than Cody getting beat up.
Caleb is done for the year - tough way to go, awkward stop/slide
Trevor Harris may be back this week according to Mace.
Quote from: DM83 on August 06, 2024, 04:15:23 PMDidn't Davis do short yardage for BC a couple years ago and was unstoppable?
I'm pretty sure the last time we saw Davis, he couldn't pull off a SY to save his life.
Quote from: DM83 on August 06, 2024, 04:15:23 PMDidn't Davis do short yardage for BC a couple years ago and was unstoppable?
Quote from: Jesse on August 06, 2024, 04:18:13 PMI'm pretty sure the last time we saw Davis, he couldn't pull off a SY to save his life.
Ya, Dom was probably the worst of the "SY specialists", and it wasn't just in BC, it was also in OTT and ?. Like I said, he was probably around 80% (+/- 10%), which is really bad for a specialist.
The best SY guys have usually been wearing blue & gold the last decade. MOS places a high priority on getting that 1 yard. Even after 2 critical failures in the last 2 games he'll still go for it every time.
Riders lost LB J. Thurman to 6 game IR. Also lost OL R. Sceviour to 6 game IR. Oullette is still out and a couple of other players as well.
OL Council retired this week after playing 1 game.
So two changes on their OL, missing their, RB and QB.
Top LB missing on defence. Back up LB missing. A DL missing too.
Redblacks should win tomorrow.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2024, 09:20:01 PMRiders lost LB J. Thurman to 6 game IR. Also lost OL R. Sceviour to 6 game IR. Oullette is still out and a couple of their receivers as well.
OL Council retired this week after playing 1 game.
So two changes on their OL, missing receivers, RB and QB.
Top LB missing on defence.
Redblacks should win tomorrow.
Devonte Dedmon is also back for the REDBLACKS.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2024, 09:20:01 PMRiders lost LB J. Thurman to 6 game IR. Also lost OL R. Sceviour to 6 game IR. Oullette is still out and a couple of other players as well.
OL Council retired this week after playing 1 game.
So two changes on their OL, missing their, RB and QB.
Top LB missing on defence. Back up LB missing. A DL missing too.
Redblacks should win tomorrow.
Yeah Should Win but with the way this season is going the Riders might just shut out the Redblacks (hopefully not)!
Quote from: dd on August 06, 2024, 02:09:21 AMDom Davis is still kicking around?? He's got to be a better option than Evans, I don't see how that guy is still around.
Ditto. Journeyman extraordinaire!! :) Kevin Glenn at least had talent despite doing the entire CFL circuit and almost won a Cup for the Bombers if not for a broken arm that one season in a playoff game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2024, 09:20:01 PMRiders lost LB J. Thurman to 6 game IR. Also lost OL R. Sceviour to 6 game IR. Oullette is still out and a couple of other players as well.
OL Council retired this week after playing 1 game.
So two changes on their OL, missing their, RB and QB.
Top LB missing on defence. Back up LB missing. A DL missing too.
Redblacks should win tomorrow.
Another second half tank by the CRYDERS coming up! :D
Trevor Harris taking first team reps today at practice according to Twitter.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2024, 05:21:06 PMTrevor Harris taking first team reps today at practice according to Twitter.
Too bad, he should be fully acclimatized by the time the LDC goes down, if Harris starts odds of Bombers picking up an easy win drop significantly.
The Montreal Alouettes have placed Tyson Philpot on the six-game injured list.