An early start to the game this week.
It appears we may have lost Feltmate with an arm / shoulder injury. I'd say he's lost for this week almost certainly but it could be a 6 game IR situation.
We don't have a direct replacement with Chris-Ive already gone to 6 game IR. Kelly and Samson are in the 1 game IR and Charbonneau is on the PR.
The replacement doesn't have to be a FB type, but Charbonneau might be the closest in that capability. OTOH we don't really need another LB, but how do we adjust?
I'm not overly impressed with Dukes but I wasn't impressed with Patterson either. Argos gave up 2 sacks and seemed to make Dukes uncomfortable in the pocket.
Can we do the same?
If we limit the mistakes we made against the Riders, this should be an easier game and winnable.
It's another must win. We can't continue to slid before a need to airlift comes into play.
EDIT: I'm not specifically blaming Case for not a great initial showing. However was that a one game initial look and Smith returns next week. A live game experience will help case with his learning curve.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2024, 03:50:22 PMAn early start to the game this week.
It appears we may have lost Feltmate with an arm / shoulder injury. I'd say he's lost for this week almost certainly but it could be a 6 game IR situation.
We don't have a direct replacement with Chris-Ive already gone to 6 game IR. Kelly and Samson are in the 1 game IR and Charbonneau is on the PR.
The replacement doesn't have to be a FB type, but Charbonneau might be the closest in that capability. OTOH we don't really need another LB, but how do we adjust?
I'm not overly impressed with Dukes but I wasn't impressed with Patterson either. Argos gave up 2 sacks and seemed to make Dukes uncomfortable in the pocket.
Can we do the same?
If we limit the mistakes we made against the Riders, this should be an easier game and winnable.
It's another must win. We can't continue to slid before a need to airlift comes into play.
EDIT: I'm not specifically blaming Case for not a great initial showing. However was that a one game initial look and Smith returns next week. A live game experience will help case with his learning curve.
O'Shea mentioned somewhere last week that Case came in because he could also backup at receiver, nothing much more to it. Now with Lucky likely playing this week, they can probably revert to Smith.
Hopefully we can figure out our FB situation. Smith will be hungry, hopefully he has a breakout game. I would go slow with Lucky. Sprinkle him in so we don't break him. Will be a good game. Dukes is decent but has weaknesses we can exploit.
In my uneducated opinion, it looks like Dukes will start to scramble if his first read is not open. That means we would have to A) cover receivers well right off the snap and stick with them throughout the scramble and B) spy Dukes in case he decides to take off himself.
Quote from: Stretch on July 21, 2024, 10:09:03 PMIn my uneducated opinion, it looks like Dukes will start to scramble if his first read is not open. That means we would have to A) cover receivers well right off the snap and stick with them throughout the scramble and B) spy Dukes in case he decides to take off himself.
The problem is who is going to spy him? Wilson I guess?
We usually seem to throw up a stinker in TO...I will be surprised if our offense can do anything against TO's defence.
I hope we can - but what I have seen so far of this team it seems like a tall order.
3-7 is probably reality at the ten game mark
Quote from: The Zipp on July 22, 2024, 02:28:48 AMWe usually seem to throw up a stinker in TO...I will be surprised if our offense can do anything against TO's defence.
I hope we can - but what I have seen so far of this team it seems like a tall order.
3-7 is probably reality at the ten game mark
Agree. We always seem to come out flat then go lay an egg in front of 5000 fans. I am hoping Lawler is back in our lineup and that injects some new life and excitement otherwise if we come out in stink mode and go 2-6, yikes, that's a deep hole to climb out of
playing in Toronto seems to bring out the worst in the Bombers.....our biggest weakness is no pressure on D and if that doesn't change we can expect fewer Ws this season. Add to this that just about any QB looks like Doug Flutie when they scramble against us.....
I'm also not really sure why anyone is worried about being down a full back. This year we've basically just used the position as a special teams opportunity. We may not have another fullback on the roster but Karamoko or even Charbonneau or Weitz can probably fill in mostly fine.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2024, 03:33:56 AMI'm also not really sure why anyone is worried about being down a full back. This year we've basically just used the position as a special teams opportunity. We may not have another fullback on the roster but Karamoko or even Charbonneau or Weitz can probably fill in mostly fine.
I d just bring in Wallace at TE and run over people. The dude is better than any fullback at blocking anyways
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2024, 12:29:37 AMThe problem is who is going to spy him? Wilson I guess?
If the RB stays in to block (and doesn't sneak out!), then Wilson can spy. He'd be great at it. Otherwise, ya, we don't really have the fast-type guy we can sacrifice as spy. Maybe if Hallett is in at FS on passing downs??
What if for some passing downs we yank Biggie and put in someone faster, like Cole? MLB is a great position to use as fast spy if we are 90% sure it's a pass (like 2nd & 8+).
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2024, 03:33:56 AMI'm also not really sure why anyone is worried about being down a full back. This year we've basically just used the position as a special teams opportunity. We may not have another fullback on the roster but Karamoko or even Charbonneau or Weitz can probably fill in mostly fine.
Not true. Just like last season we are doing a ton of O packages with a FB, TE or extra OL(s) in. I'm not sure what the ratio is, but maybe every other O snap (except in tempo) we have a 6th (or more) TE or half-back FB in the formation. Especially 1st down, or when the opponent is killing us with pressure.
Quote from: dd on July 22, 2024, 04:19:23 AMI d just bring in Wallace at TE and run over people. The dude is better than any fullback at blocking anyways
Another legitimate option for sure.
Is there a practice today? Waiting to see who is practising with the 1st team offence this week. Will this be the week we see changes to the offensive roster?
It will be the 2nd game for Garbutt. He had a good 1st game and we should see improvement week to week as he gets into game speed.
I'd like to see a few more reps for Streveler besides just short yardage. Even being a 2nd QB on the field at the same time just to give the defence something else to consider.
If he caught a short pass in open field, I wouldn't want to be the DB tasked to bringing him down. It might force a LB out of the box to cover him and open up the running game a bit more.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 22, 2024, 02:28:48 AMWe usually seem to throw up a stinker in TO...I will be surprised if our offense can do anything against TO's defence.
I hope we can - but what I have seen so far of this team it seems like a tall order.
3-7 is probably reality at the ten game mark
Sort of have to agree. I doubt our OLine can handle the Argo DLine and I doubt we will have much of a passing attack given Zack is long past his best before date. I see a 3-7 record at the 10 game mark as a good bet.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 03:54:54 PMIs there a practice today? Waiting to see who is practising with the 1st team offence this week. Will this be the week we see changes to the offensive roster?
It will be the 2nd game for Garbutt. He had a good 1st game and we should see improvement week to week as he gets into game speed.
I'd like to see a few more reps for Streveler besides just short yardage. Even being a 2nd QB on the field at the same time just to give the defence something else to consider.
If he caught a short pass in open field, I wouldn't want to be the DB tasked to bringing him down. It might force a LB out of the box to cover him and open up the running game a bit more.
no practice today
I didn't think Garbutt was any better then Fayad. 1 DT, and didn't get his hands on the QB. I hope he's better this week.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 22, 2024, 04:34:50 PMI didn't think Garbutt was any better then Fayad. 1 DT, and didn't get his hands on the QB. I hope he's better this week.
I'd look beyond the stats sheet. Garbutt looked considerably faster and more agile, IMO. I can see why the team has been high on him.
Quote from: BBRT on July 22, 2024, 04:12:52 PMSort of have to agree. I doubt our OLine can handle the Argo DLine and I doubt we will have much of a passing attack given Zack is long past his best before date. I see a 3-7 record at the 10 game mark as a good bet.
Yes the Bombers moved on from AH33 at the right time. Unfortunately they might have waited one year to long with Bighill and ZC8. ZC8 could have been a good trade piece and we would have had our QB of the future with Dru Brown. Also around a $300K savings which would have kept Bailey, Grant, and Jeffcoat, around and got ourselves a young MLB.
From what we have seen so far this season, T.O's defence should have their way with us. I don't think they have a great offence, but our offence is sooooooooooooooooooo bad they don't need much on offence to easily beat us, IMO.
any word on Lawler, Lawson and Lucky, has it been confirmed that they are playing in TO??
Quote from: dd on July 22, 2024, 05:30:19 PMany word on Lawler, Lawson and Lucky, has it been confirmed that they are playing in TO??
Don't think Lawson is coming back for a long time, Lawler might be a few more games but no excuse for not inserting Lucky right now.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 22, 2024, 02:28:48 AMWe usually seem to throw up a stinker in TO...I will be surprised if our offense can do anything against TO's defence.
I hope we can - but what I have seen so far of this team it seems like a tall order.
3-7 is probably reality at the ten game mark
Probably 4-7 after our home-in-home with BC
Win against hamilton. And win/loss for banjo bowl & labour day.
Record will be 6-8 with Edmonton (home and home), Hamilton and Toronto to end the season.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 22, 2024, 04:34:50 PMI didn't think Garbutt was any better then Fayad. 1 DT, and didn't get his hands on the QB. I hope he's better this week.
Disagree.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 22, 2024, 04:39:20 PMI'd look beyond the stats sheet. Garbutt looked considerably faster and more agile, IMO. I can see why the team has been high on him.
I think he looked great and it's just one game
Quote from: Pigskin on July 22, 2024, 04:41:57 PMYes the Bombers moved on from AH33 at the right time. Unfortunately they might have waited one year to long with Bighill and ZC8. ZC8 could have been a good trade piece and we would have had our QB of the future with Dru Brown. Also around $300K which would have kept Bailey, Grant, and Jeffcoat, around and got ourselves a young MLB.
The Argos are good but beatable. We need to play our best and execute better. Need a few new faces to shine and the vets to polish their craft.
Bighill still has value. Zach can still be one of the best. Dru is an unknown still, looks great at time but is still learning. We wouldn't be any further ahead this year with Dru. In a few years Dru will be very good. Loosing those guys hurt yes. Jeffcoat not as much imo.
Argos are good but beatable. Need some of our new faces to shine and our vets to polish their craft a bit. Key is the run game and winning in the trenches. Win the turn over battle and we win. Will be tight ball game.
;) bombers will be killed by Toronto.
Our oline will be embarrassed
Colorism wont have time to throw anything but swing passes.
Defensively, our defe. Coordinator, will continue to play man cover coverage. Toronto. Receivers will be open by five yards.
The d line won't be able to catch Torontos QB, who quite possibly run for 100 yards. He will pass for 300 yards. Collaros may be interested. We won't score more than ten points.
Afternoons in summer in Southern Ontario can be humid and different than anything we see in Winnipeg. Plus coming to the game after enjoying the exceptional entertainment unlike anywhere else in Canada. We really should just save hundreds of thousands of dollars, and mail them the two points.
Lastly,it seems like the management is not taking the season seriously. Three days off,....i guess the league policy mandates that. Serious lack of efficiency on offence, defensive concept, and crappy play by a number of. Vets, plus incapable rookies brought in.
The team was over the cap last year, no consequences. So what. The tax payers pay for the financing of the team. McManus hasn't brought anyone in that could be a difference maker, and if you want to argue that he has,then the DC,Jordan Younger looks like he is in over his head. See"hat" claybrook look.
There will be so many changes in 2025.
Bring in that former Edmonton coach as the DC
bring in Lapo as the OC.
Use a tight end and two backs out of the backfield( the team has no fast personnel, so go heavy and run the ball......we have not enuff passing game talent)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 22, 2024, 05:42:36 PMDon't think Lawson is coming back for a long time, Lawler might be a few more games but no excuse for not inserting Lucky right now.
Thanks, hopefully they put Lucky in, we need a spark on offense for sure. Demski and Oliveira can only do so much. Wilson was pretty much silent last game after having the game of his life—-maybe a flash in the pan/Agudosi V2.0??
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PM;) bombers will be killed by Toronto.
Our oline will be embarrassed
Colorism wont have time to throw anything but swing passes.
Defensively, our defe. Coordinator, will continue to play man cover coverage. Toronto. Receivers will be open by five yards.
The d line won't be able to catch Torontos QB, who quite possibly run for 100 yards. He will pass for 300 yards. Collaros may be interested. We won't score more than ten points.
Afternoons in summer in Southern Ontario can be humid and different than anything we see in Winnipeg. Plus coming to the game after enjoying the exceptional entertainment unlike anywhere else in Canada. We really should just save hundreds of thousands of dollars, and mail them the two points.
Lastly,it seems like the management is not taking the season seriously. Three days off,....i guess the league policy mandates that. Serious lack of efficiency on offence, defensive concept, and crappy play by a number of. Vets, plus incapable rookies brought in.
The team was over the cap last year, no consequences. So what. The tax payers pay for the financing of the team. McManus hasn't brought anyone in that could be a difference maker, and if you want to argue that he has,then the DC,Jordan Younger looks like he is in over his head. See"hat" claybrook look.
There will be so many changes in 2025.
Bring in that former Edmonton coach as the DC
bring in Lapo as the OC.
Use a tight end and two backs out of the backfield( the team has no fast personnel, so go heavy and run the ball......we have not enuff passing game talent)
That's a pretty negative view of everything. You highlighted several issues which are definitely problems but I don't think the wheels have fallen off the wagon just yet.
I may have a different view after the back to back against the Lions. Once again there is a need to win the series against a team we want to push down the standings. Lions have the edge and so do the Riders. We've dug a giant hole.
It will snowball if we lose to the Argos this week. Win and maybe we start to turn the corner.
Toronto gives up 58 yds a game rushing, that does not bode well for us. McManus is a beast in the middle of the field and they will shut down Brady and our running attack which means we ll have to rely more on the pass, and without Lawler, that doesn't sound like a very good game plan.
Given our past history of stinking the joint out in Toronto, I see that trend continuing
Quote from: dd on July 22, 2024, 11:42:56 PMToronto gives up 58 yds a game rushing, that does not bode well for us. McManus is a beast in the middle of the field and they will shut down Brady and our running attack which means we ll have to rely more on the pass, and without Lawler, that doesn't sound like a very good game plan.
Given our past history of stinking the joint out in Toronto, I see that trend continuing
That's the thing about trends. They can change. lol
BTW: Last time we played them was Sept 17 /23 in Winnipeg. Oliveria ran for 169 yards and we beat them 31 - 21. Dukes was the QB then as well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 11:44:42 PMThat's the thing about trends. They can change. lol
I guess in theory they could, I just don't think this weekend they will
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PM;) bombers will be killed by Toronto.
Our oline will be embarrassed
Colorism wont have time to throw anything but swing passes.
Defensively, our defe. Coordinator, will continue to play man cover coverage. Toronto. Receivers will be open by five yards.
The d line won't be able to catch Torontos QB, who quite possibly run for 100 yards. He will pass for 300 yards. Collaros may be interested. We won't score more than ten points.
Afternoons in summer in Southern Ontario can be humid and different than anything we see in Winnipeg. Plus coming to the game after enjoying the exceptional entertainment unlike anywhere else in Canada. We really should just save hundreds of thousands of dollars, and mail them the two points.
Lastly,it seems like the management is not taking the season seriously. Three days off,....i guess the league policy mandates that. Serious lack of efficiency on offence, defensive concept, and crappy play by a number of. Vets, plus incapable rookies brought in.
The team was over the cap last year, no consequences. So what. The tax payers pay for the financing of the team. McManus hasn't brought anyone in that could be a difference maker, and if you want to argue that he has,then the DC,Jordan Younger looks like he is in over his head. See"hat" claybrook look.
There will be so many changes in 2025.
Bring in that former Edmonton coach as the DC
bring in Lapo as the OC.
Use a tight end and two backs out of the backfield( the team has no fast personnel, so go heavy and run the ball......we have not enuff passing game talent)
Good chance of a good football game. Pretty close match.
Oline isn't as bad as you suggest.
If we run the ball well, we can open up the deep ball.
Dukes won't get 100 on ground. Not likely to get 300 in air but possible.
I expect 250 in air, 50 on the ground and a couple of ducks (TO)
We will score 20 to 30ish.
The suggestion to mail in the game is ridiculous, hope that's being sarcastic.
Our D will be decent. Yes will give up a few big plays.
Younger is learning as he goes, Hall will get him sorted.
Pass on Lapo. Pass on a change at DC.
A classic moment by DM83, sponsored by Peavy Mart poultry section lol. I am just kidding, we need to allow space for all view points.
Team in a tight spot and we need to win this one. Coin flip.
Agree we ll get 50 yds rushing. I am worried our passing attack is not able to carry the load. Dukes is a very good scrambling/running Qb which will give our defense fits.
I see Toronto being able to move the ball, while we struggle. I also see Grant scoring a punt return TD to remind Walters he made a mistake and will be the difference in the game, 25-18 Argos
My 50 was for Dukes on the ground
I expect 80 to 90 for the Blue, more if the deep ball clicks
Wow! What a bunch of Debbie Downers. LOL!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 22, 2024, 11:56:38 PMMy 50 was for Dukes on the ground
I expect 80 to 90 for the Blue, more if the deep ball clicks
McManus is a killer MLB and the Argos give up a league low 58 yds per game rushing. Brady is going to have a tough time moving the ball meaning we ll have to rely on Zach and our passing game. Yikes
Quote from: Pigskin on July 22, 2024, 04:41:57 PMZC8 could have been a good trade piece and we would have had our QB of the future with Dru Brown. Also around $300K which would have kept Bailey, Grant, and Jeffcoat, around and got ourselves a young MLB.
Zach Collaros saved the team.
Trading him would have been wrong.
Quote from: markf on July 23, 2024, 12:40:57 AMZach Collaros saved the team.
Trading him would have been wrong.
I don't think you would get anything for Zach based on how he is playing and the amount he is making
Quote from: dd on July 23, 2024, 12:06:17 AMMcManus is a killer MLB and the Argos give up a league low 58 yds per game rushing. Brady is going to have a tough time moving the ball meaning we ll have to rely on Zach and our passing game. Yikes
Ding ding see who wins the RB vs. LB battle. It is a marquee match up to be sure.
Great optimism boys!
If it were two years ago, I would agree.
Today we have no d line. Yeah big # 5, the most visible, now a days. Takes so many plays off he should be fines for lack of effort on almost every play. He's a mere shadow, who only goes hard, if a play looks like he can be involved. And he's our best guy? Ah young men having fun!
Offensively, how many passes can you guess who Zac is throwing to?( on the ints)
Kyle's response will be that injuries have killed us.
And the our tendency to play man to man will kill us. Hence my predation Dukes gets a few twenty yard scrambles, plus another six for ten.
Quote from: DM83 on July 23, 2024, 02:08:13 AMGreat optimism boys!
If it were two years ago, I would agree.
Today we have no d line. Yeah big # 5, the most visible, now a days. Takes so many plays off he should be fines for lack of effort on almost every play. He's a mere shadow, who only goes hard, if a play looks like he can be involved. And he's our best guy? Ah young men having fun!
Offensively, how many passes can you guess who Zac is throwing to?( on the ints)
Kyle's response will be that injuries have killed us.
And the our tendency to play man to man will kill us. Hence my predation Dukes gets a few twenty yard scrambles, plus another six for ten.
"Some where, over the rainbow...." (in my best Judy Garland voice!) ;D ;)
Quote from: markf on July 23, 2024, 12:40:57 AMZach Collaros saved the team.
Trading him would have been wrong.
Quote from: BBFANDM on July 23, 2024, 01:23:01 AMI don't think you would get anything for Zach based on how he is playing and the amount he is making
I was talking about in the off season, when ZC8 still had value. Dru Brown was our future QB. Just like AH33, everyone has an expiry date.
Quote from: markf on July 23, 2024, 12:40:57 AMZach Collaros saved the team.
Trading him would have been wrong.
I disagree, there a few different players that saved this team. That group is no longer together. WJ5, JJ94, AH33, AB4, SB66, ZC8. Unfortunately for most of these players there best years are behind them.
Quote from: dd on July 22, 2024, 11:54:21 PMI see Toronto being able to move the ball, while we struggle. I also see Grant scoring a punt return TD to remind Walters he made a mistake and will be the difference in the game, 25-18 Argos
Two problems for Grant:
1) No one knows Grant like Miller...
2) Maybe WFC locker room is already taking bets on who can pull out the most Grant hair??
I say we handle Grant perfectly fine, just like we have every other returner.
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PM;) bombers will be killed by Toronto.
Whenever I accidentally feel optimistic about my Bombers, all I have to do is read a DM83 post! The occasions I go out on that ledge, it's comforting to know DM83 is always there first.
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PMCoordinator, will continue to play man cover coverage. Toronto. Receivers will be open by five yards.
I'm pretty sure we let every teams' Rs be open by 5 yards. It's the WPG D way! :P
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PMThe d line won't be able to catch Torontos QB, who quite possibly run for 100 yards. He will pass for 300 yards. Collaros may be interested. We won't score more than ten points.
Not if we assign a speedy spy. Of course, that assumes MOS doesn't follow his "we don't need a spy if everyone follows their assignments" mantra...
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PMthen the DC,Jordan Younger looks like he is in over his head. See"hat" claybrook look.
Haha, he's not anywhere that bad! So long as he doesn't do the hungry-belly rub, he gets a long leash. :D :D :D
Quote from: DM83 on July 22, 2024, 10:36:41 PMBring in that former Edmonton coach as the DC
bring in Lapo as the OC.
C.Jones as DC?! Ok, now you've hit cuckoo territory. No one wants that loser. Not to mention, bringing in a big-name DC is impossible given that we gave the whole wad to MOS and Buck. Younger is DC because he is working for peanuts to get his foot in the door (as is Miller). Hey, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying it's reality.
I'd welcome Lapo back at OC, too, but no one other than us two will! (That said, weren't you one of the Lapo-bashers before he left?)
Week 8 looks like an amazing week for parity match-ups! Only the WPG game might one say is lopsided (though I don't).
SSK D vs MTL D, and Cody-less O against Harris-less O. Very even. No Dequoy could be the difference.
Middling/up'n'comers CGY/OTT duke it out. Who knows how that will turn out.
Basement Battle HAM/EDM, try to figure out who will suck less. Bo's arm finally working might be the difference?
WPG has a shot because it's "just Dukes". Maybe Hall/Younger can come up with a prey-on-the-noob plan... maybe. That would mean picks galore! If our O can somehow manage to actually score and build drives, well we could actually win! A man can dream.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 23, 2024, 05:25:19 AMWhenever I accidentally feel optimistic about my Bombers, all I have to do is read a DM83 post! The occasions I go out on that ledge, it's comforting to know DM83 is always there first.
I'm pretty sure we let every teams' Rs be open by 5 yards. It's the WPG D way! :P
Not if we assign a speedy spy. Of course, that assumes MOS doesn't follow his "we don't need a spy if everyone follows their assignments" mantra...
Haha, he's not anywhere that bad! So long as he doesn't do the hungry-belly rub, he gets a long leash. :D :D :D
C.Jones as DC?! Ok, now you've hit cuckoo territory. No one wants that loser. Not to mention, bringing in a big-name DC is impossible given that we gave the whole wad to MOS and Buck. Younger is DC because he is working for peanuts to get his foot in the door (as is Miller). Hey, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying it's reality.
I'd welcome Lapo back at OC, too, but no one other than us two will! (That said, weren't you one of the Lapo-bashers before he left?)
Please, no LAPO. The only way we could be more predictable than we are now is to bring LAPO back. Buck is already a LAPO disciple and it's extremely annoying as we have little to no creativity on offense. Why would anyone want to make that even worse?
Quote from: Pigskin on July 23, 2024, 04:16:51 AMI was talking about in the off season, when ZC8 still had value. Dru Brown was our future QB. Just like AH33, everyone has an expiry date.
Very few would have kept Dru over Zach. So easy to say after. Also Dru isn't proven (yet). Comparing Zach to AH33 isn't fair. AH33 was injury prone late stage of his career and we already had an excellent replacement. Full disclosure I love all three of these guys!
Quote from: Pigskin on July 23, 2024, 04:25:22 AMI disagree, there a few different players that saved this team. That group is no longer together. WJ5, JJ94, AH33, AB4, SB66, ZC8. Unfortunately for most of these players there best years are behind them.
We needed a star QB and Zach was that. It's a QB driven league. Zach saved the team to be sure but yes those other names (and a bunch of others) were certainly key pieces. No Zach or other star QB no cups (most likely). Yes we have some stars that are getting old but don't count them all out yet. Still time for one last push.
Easy to pile on the Bombers and Zach when they are down. We got some cracks in our armor but lets give it a few more games before we write the story for this year. Last week was a huge let down, lets see if we get some hope back.
Paraphrasing from coaches show: Case will get another chance. Lucky is learning and that is not a one or two week process.
Quote from: markf on July 23, 2024, 12:40:57 AMZach Collaros saved the team.
Trading him would have been wrong.
Buono was infamous for being ruthless with players. You could look at it the other way too. We saved him with a ready made team just lacking a vet QB.
OShea has always relied heavily on the leadership of his vets to drive the team. The problem is when the vets can no longer walk the talk. We need some of the younger "vets" to step up leadership wise. I'm talking about Kyrie Wilson, Nichols, Olivera, Holm.
Its also a time when O'Shea himself needs to lead, and make decisions to improve this team. It's no longer business as usual.
I was at practise today (July 23rd). Here are some observations
6 game injured list players: None of them including Lawler practised. Fox and Haba were running. Lawson is nowhere near a return. He was gingerly trying to make his way up the stands backwards with other injured players.
1 game injured list players: Kelly and Samson practised.
New injuries: Wilson and Cole. Oliveira didn't practise but likely maintenance. BA didn't practise (not sure if he's maintenance or some other issue).
KR/PR: Case got the 1st reps, followed by Smith and then Whitehead. Case likely remains KR/PR and backup receiver.
Offence and receivers: No changes other than Augustine and Smith getting reps with 1s in BOs absence. Whitehead did not get any first team reps. Highly unlikely he draws into the lineup.
Defence: Some interesting changes in BAs absence. Nichols slid over to safety; Bridges at boundary half. Jones in at WIL for Wilson. Griffin in for Cole. D Line rotation remained the same as last week with Garbutt and Jefferson on the ends.
Grymes slotted in with the 2s at boundary halfback. He was picking BAs brain throughout the practice.
Not sure if the alignment with Nichols at safety is something they're going to try, but it would explain picking up Grymes. It's also curious that they wouldn't have slotted in one of the Hallets if this was just filling in for BA while he takes a maintenance day.
Zach was up and down. Threw some nice balls but also some bad picks to Kelly and Bonds. Seemed hesitant at times when going up against scout D.
I can't make it out to any other practices this week so it will be interesting to see if the changes on D at the start of the week translate into game day/roster changes
Quote from: Waffler on July 23, 2024, 02:44:50 PMParaphrasing from coaches show: Case will get another chance. Lucky is learning and that is not a one or two week process.
It really is though.
Quote from: Jesse on July 23, 2024, 07:25:14 PMIt really is though.
So you know more than the coaches now?
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 23, 2024, 07:26:49 PMSo you know more than the coaches now?
I'm just repeating what many football players have said when they join new teams. MOS does not answer questions at face value. He self-admittedly reveals nothing.so I'm going to believe what I've heard many, many times over MOS's version.
Quote from: Jesse on July 23, 2024, 07:30:31 PMI'm just repeating what many football players have said when they join new teams. MOS does not answer questions at face value. He self-admittedly reveals nothing.so I'm going to believe what I've heard many, many times over MOS's version.
A player out of football for a long time will take a lot of reps to be ready. It's a good approach imo. Avoids injury and ensure he knows the plays. I trust MOS on this one 100%. Agree a couple weeks is ok in ideal situation.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 23, 2024, 07:37:21 PMA player out of football for a long time will take a lot of reps to be ready. It's a good approach imo. Avoids injury and ensure he knows the plays. I trust MOS on this one 100%.
I think it's far more likely that MOS doesn't intend to use Lucky unless necessary. I don't see this as a plan to bring Lucky into that starting line-up.
Quote from: Jesse on July 23, 2024, 07:39:21 PMI think it's far more likely that MOS doesn't intend to use Lucky unless necessary. I don't see this as a plan to bring Lucky into that starting line-up.
Hard to say, I can't comment as I don't know how he has looked at practice.
Injury report
Quote from: Jesse on July 23, 2024, 07:39:21 PMI think it's far more likely that MOS doesn't intend to use Lucky unless necessary. I don't see this as a plan to bring Lucky into that starting line-up.
I tend to agree. Having watched some practises for the past 3 weeks, I really don't think there are plans to insert Lucky. The way he's being treated reminds me of when we picked up N Roosevelt a few years back and never rostered him.
If Case gets injured, Whitehead would have a 50/50 chance of being rostered...depends on whether MOS believes Smith can serve as a backup receiver in that scenario IMHO.
Unless there's a path to the roster through ST, I don't think at this point MOS places him above our other Imp PR receivers Alston and Mitchell on the depth chart.
Well I we missed practice today. Last day with my grandson's before they head off to the Olympics for a couple of weeks. Maybe Waffler will have a report for us today.
Quote from: Slingin Sammy on July 23, 2024, 08:12:17 PMI tend to agree. Having watched some practises for the past 3 weeks, I really don't think there are plans to insert Lucky. The way he's being treated reminds me of when we picked up N Roosevelt a few years back and never rostered him.
If Case gets injured, Whitehead would have a 50/50 chance of being rostered...depends on whether MOS believes Smith can serve as a backup receiver in that scenario IMHO.
Unless there's a path to the roster through ST, I don't think at this point MOS places him above our other Imp PR receivers Rolston and Mitchell on the depth chart.
Putting in Lucky makes it feel like O'Shea is wrong with Johnson or Clercius, O'Shea has a tendency to stay stubborn in these situations to prove who is the smartest. There have been numerous cases of this Ie Jackson< Hurl, Alexander etc. I would argue that's why we haven't brought in more of an upgrade to Kramdl and Thomas. Likely the only way lucky is an option is thru injury.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 23, 2024, 08:37:39 PMWell I we missed practice today. Last day with my grandson's before they head off to the Olympics for a couple of weeks. Maybe Waffler will have a report for us today.
Quote from: Slingin Sammy on July 23, 2024, 06:59:15 PMI was at practise today (July 23rd). Here are some observations
6 game injured list players: None of them including Lawler practised. Fox and Haba were running. Lawson is nowhere near a return. He was gingerly trying to make his way up the stands backwards with other injured players.
1 game injured list players: Kelly and Samson practised.
New injuries: Wilson and Cole. Oliveira didn't practise but likely maintenance. BA didn't practise (not sure if he's maintenance or some other issue).
KR/PR: Case got the 1st reps, followed by Smith and then Whitehead. Case likely remains KR/PR and backup receiver.
Offence and receivers: No changes other than Augustine and Smith getting reps with 1s in BOs absence. Whitehead did not get any first team reps. Highly unlikely he draws into the lineup.
Defence: Some interesting changes in BAs absence. Nichols slid over to safety; Bridges at boundary half. Jones in at WIL for Wilson. Griffin in for Cole. D Line rotation remained the same as last week with Garbutt and Jefferson on the ends.
Grymes slotted in with the 2s at boundary halfback. He was picking BAs brain throughout the practice.
Not sure if the alignment with Nichols at safety is something they're going to try, but it would explain picking up Grymes. It's also curious that they wouldn't have slotted in one of the Hallets if this was just filling in for BA while he takes a maintenance day.
Zach was up and down. Threw some nice balls but also some bad picks to Kelly and Bonds. Seemed hesitant at times when going up against scout D.
I can't make it out to any other practices this week so it will be interesting to see if the changes on D at the start of the week translate into game day/roster changes
Quote from: Pete on July 23, 2024, 08:51:00 PMPutting in Lucky makes it feel like O'Shea is wrong with Johnson or Clercius, O'Shea has a tendency to stay stubborn in these situations to prove who is the smartest. There have been numerous cases of this Ie Jackson< Hurl, Alexander etc. I would argue that's why we haven't brought in more of an upgrade to Kramdl and Thomas. Likely the only way lucky is an option is thru injury.
I agree, that's MOS way, loyal to a fault. The new guy brought in may be way better option, but until the player removes himself from the game via injury, he ain't going anywhere, which is brutal
Quote from: Pigskin on July 23, 2024, 08:37:39 PMWell I we missed practice today. Last day with my grandson's before they head off to the Olympics for a couple of weeks. Maybe Waffler will have a report for us today.
There is a report above from today if you missed it
Thank SS, Very nice report.
It's only the 1st practice this week but none of that suggests we'll see any change at receiver. The daily report tomorrow might give a better idea whether some of the other nicked players may miss the game.
Cole was already somewhat limited last week So I won't be entirely surprised if he misses the game.
OTOH, I'm not sure what's happening with Wilson or Alexander.
Oliveria gets a day off to heal but I expect he plays as usual.
Cole is on the 6 game. Bridges has been added to game day roster.
Looks like no changes on offense.. which was the majority of the problem last week scoring only. 9 points and we appear to be standing pat.
Even if we put in lucky as a misdirection it would be more effective than last week where every one of our receivers had 3 or less catches
I don't get it
No lucky, no Kenny, no way we beat the argos unless they/dukes throws 5 interceptions again.
Yep, we score a massive 3 field goals/9 points and we're doubling down on that juggernaut unit?!. I guess they re due to breakout, maybe score 15 points!!
BOMBERS WILL BEAT TORONTO,AFTER SEEING WHAT HAM DID TO THEM LAST GAME, BOOK IT! (yes I am yelling).
Quote from: Horseman on July 24, 2024, 02:05:23 AMBOMBERS WILL BEAT TORONTO,AFTER SEEING WHAT HAM DID TO THEM LAST GAME, BOOK IT! (yes I am yelling).
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Ok, whoah there Horsey!! I hear ya. Toronto looked gross, but that's the thing in the jeckle hyde cfl, Stink one week, throttle someone the next.
Dukes likes to scramble ,which isn't our defenses strong suit, and Toronto's D is tough against the run, which doesn't play into our run oriented offense, and if our offense has to rely on the pass, forget it. Plus you add the Toronto smog factor where it seems the bombers always play flat in TO, even in our strong years.
We just came off a very tough game against a very good Rider team. A game that we likely tie up late and grab a ton of momentum had Demski not fumbled. However, the Riders were allowed to have their big play turnover with the fumble while the Bombers were denied their big play turnover with the INT not by the Riders but by the officials! We were royally screwed multiple times in that game and could not overcome it. If that continues I don't care how good your team is, you're not going to win.
OTOH, if we are allowed to play in a fairly called game, we have every chance of winning against any team in this league. There are no juggernaut teams out there this year and any team can win given a fair chance. We just saw Hamilton beat Toronto. We can beat them too.
Quote from: dd on July 24, 2024, 02:31:57 AMI
Ok, whoah there Horsey!! I hear ya. Toronto looked gross, but that's the thing in the jeckle hyde cfl, Stink one week, throttle someone the next.
Dukes likes to scramble ,which isn't our defenses strong suit, and Toronto's D is tough against the run, which doesn't play into our run oriented offense, and if our offense has to rely on the pass, forget it. Plus you add the Toronto smog factor where it seems the bombers always play flat in TO, even in our strong years.
The biggest thing we have going for us is that Mace is no longer the DC for Toronto.
Toronto is going to be in a foul mood after losing to Hamilton - how embarrassing!! And you're right, we were totally screwed over in Regina!!
Quote from: dd on July 24, 2024, 01:34:25 AMYep, we score a massive 3 field goals/9 points and we're doubling down on that juggernaut unit?!. I guess they re due to breakout, maybe score 15 points!!
Love your cynicism! That's the spirit! :o :o ;D ;D :P :P
P.S. You may be right! Or we put up 35... who knows!
Ben Grant @Ben__Grant
At walkthrough, Bailey, Brinkman, Edouard - all injured Saturday - were out, unsurprisingly, but Blackburn and Priester's status is positive. Ungerer, Adeleke, Giffen, and Mital are all pushing to come off the six-game this week.
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Why did you list your post in font size forty, or whatever?
This team is so obviously bad, it's almost like going to a game when your kids game and there is so little talent, you cheer when your kid actually rises after being knocked down.
Glad to see someone else is seeing Collaros diminished ability and posting about it. A long year is about to get longer.
When do we play Hamilton?
Quote from: DM83 on July 24, 2024, 08:21:54 AMWhy did you list your post in font size forty, or whatever?
When do we play Hamilton?
Haha, complaints complaints. I'm just glad people are posting useful and juicy info like the TOR practice/injury report! Saves me a ton of time.
And don't get too excited to play HAM... they just beat psuedo-juggernaut TOR!! They might be turning the corner.
Yeah which means immediately Toronto will be out to prove they can win against schmuck teams.
How is it Collaros can't hit the broad side of a barn.?
I think It will be revealing and. In the end embarrassing.
It's gut check time for this team. Throw in the towel or man up! :)
The best drive of today's practice was Strev leading the "Argo O". If our D has trouble stopping that how will they fare against the real Argo one? I have to say though he was really throwing well today, missed a couple but the best I've seen from him so far.
Zach on the other hand walks around like a beaten dog. Never mind his confident talk in the paper, his body language says otherwise. His mechanics were never great but he always over came that with arm strength. Those side arms and cross body throws now have no zip at all. When he does plant and throw properly he is often over throwing. So it is a mechanics thing? Maybe. Or maybe his arm and age have betrayed him. He just misses a lot more than he used to and seems to overly target the vets like he can trust them only. He still plays well at times but he is not the guy that was head and shoulders over Dru Brown last two years.
Anyone that has played sports has gone through tough spells. As yogi Berra used to say, "90% of the game is half mental" and he was right. My experience was that the more I practiced the better I played and the better I played the more my confidence grew no matter what sport it was. But it starts with practice and preparation. Whenever I got into a funk I went to practice but you have to practice properly. If all you're doing is practicing making mistakes that isn't going to help you. You have to work on the simple things, fundamentals, and do them well. Once you start doing the simple things well you can build on that. I know you guys know this already and I really don't know how Zach prepares but I am sure he plays like he practices. The QB coach has to be the one to tell him what he is doing wrong if he is struggling. Brutal honesty. There are no shortcuts. The most successful athletes are talented AND work hard. It's pretty rare that a talented athlete like Zach just suddenly loses it. There is a natural dropoff as you age but it should be gradual. That makes me wonder if this is injury related. He messed up his ankle last year and took some heavy shots this year. He might be more banged up than he is willing to admit. OTOH if he is making all the throws consistently well in practice and only struggling during game conditions that speaks to a mental issue and that can be a ***** to deal with. I still maintain that the road to mental health is practice, practice, practice.
Wilson didn't practice either day this week. Tomorrow is a walk thru? I wonder if he'll miss this week?
BMO Field
TORONTO ARGONAUTS Practice Day
Player Name Position Injury TUE WED THU Game Status
Tunde Adeleke DB Knee Full Full
Rasheed Bailey WR Head DNP Limited
Tyshon Blackburn DB Knee Full Full
Jared Brinkman DL Ankle DNP DNP
Jake Ceresna DL Shoulder Limited Limited
Jonathan Edouard DB Elbow DNP DNP
Kerfalla Exumé DB Foot Limited Limited
Dylan Giffen OL Groin Full Full
Jamie Harry DB Hip DNP DNP
Daniel Kwamou LB Knee DNP DNP
Kevin Mital WR Foot Full Full
Folarin Orimolade DL Ankle Full Full
Robert Priester DB Shoulder Limited Limited
David Ungerer III WR Hamstring Full Full
WINNIPEG BLUE BOMBERS Practice Day
Player Name Position Injury TUE WED THU Game Status
Kyle Samson DL Healthy Scratch Full Full
Brian Cole LB Foot DNP DNP
Kyrie Wilson LB Shoulder DNP DNP
Jake Kelly DB Elbow Full Full
Brandon Alexander DB Neck DNP Full
Bailey Feltmate FB Elbow DNP DNP
Brady Oliveira RB Shoulder DNP Ful
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 24, 2024, 10:35:01 PMWilson didn't practice either day this week. Tomorrow is a walk thru? I wonder if he'll miss this week?
Closed practice tomorrow, Friday walk-thru. Wilson did not practice but couldn't tell anything about his shoulder. He had sleeveless top on, no brace or bandage. Seemed in good spirits.
Quote from: Waffler on July 24, 2024, 11:03:07 PMClosed practice tomorrow, Friday walk-thru. Wilson did not practice but couldn't tell anything about his shoulder. He had sleeveless top on, no brace or bandage. Seemed in good spirits.
Friday is the travel day. I think tomorrow is the walk thru.
Off to Toronto in the morning. Jays on Friday, Bombers Saturday, Jays Sunday.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 25, 2024, 04:17:59 PMOff to Toronto in the morning. Jays on Friday, Bombers Saturday, Jays Sunday.
have fun!!
Quote from: Pigskin on July 25, 2024, 04:17:59 PMOff to Toronto in the morning. Jays on Friday, Bombers Saturday, Jays Sunday.
You'll likely get on TV as you'll probably be the only fan in the stands at the Argo game.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 25, 2024, 04:17:59 PMOff to Toronto in the morning. Jays on Friday, Bombers Saturday, Jays Sunday.
Jays on Friday :(
Bombers Saturday :)
Jays Sunday :(
JAYS ARE DONE LIKE DINNER THIS SEASON....BRUTAL! :D You should be asking for your money back for the ticket cost! ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 25, 2024, 06:54:50 PMJays on Friday :(
Bombers Saturday :)
Jays Sunday :(
JAYS ARE DONE LIKE DINNER THIS SEASON....BRUTAL! :D You should be asking for your money back for the ticket cost! ;)
My brother works for the Blue Jays, so it's a free weekend. Also, my first time back to the ball park since the renovation.
The Bomber game win or lose is a bonus.
Sounds like 26 at kickoff with 8 km/h wind.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 25, 2024, 08:24:36 PMSounds like 26 at kickoff with 8 km/h wind.
Sounds like guzzling weather. Don't party to hard you! :D
Injury report
Have a great time Pigskin! Jays games are fun (finally got to one last year - my favorite team won - whoever's playing the Jays ;D - great time all around). Would really like to get to a Bomber game in yyz sometime. Enjoy!
Touched down in Toronto for Saturday's game against the Argos and hearing that receiver Rasheed Bailey has been released.
In 6 games, Bailey has 24 catches for 245 yards and 2 TDs -- one fewer than the 3 pass TDs Winnipeg has all season so far.
From Jeff Hamilton
I would dump lucky in 2 seconds and sign sheed
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2024, 01:58:39 AMTouched down in Toronto for Saturday's game against the Argos and hearing that receiver Rasheed Bailey has been released.
In 6 games, Bailey has 24 catches for 245 yards and 2 TDs -- one fewer than the 3 pass TDs Winnipeg has all season so far.
From Jeff Hamilton
I would dump lucky in 2 seconds and sign sheed
This is shocking to hear.
Almost a guarantee that Bailey is back in short order. I'd have them both in the line-up ahead of the place holders were playing with.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2024, 01:58:39 AMTouched down in Toronto for Saturday's game against the Argos and hearing that receiver Rasheed Bailey has been released.
In 6 games, Bailey has 24 catches for 245 yards and 2 TDs -- one fewer than the 3 pass TDs Winnipeg has all season so far.
From Jeff Hamilton
I would dump lucky in 2 seconds and sign sheed
Rasheed is still on the Argo's website roster... any confirmation on his release?
Quote from: Jesse on July 26, 2024, 02:19:14 AMThis is shocking to hear.
Almost a guarantee that Bailey is back in short order. I'd have them both in the line-up ahead of the place holders were playing with.
I d dress him for the Argo game!! He'd lay a can of whoop *ss blocking those Argo defenders!!
Unreal if he indeed was released and this is the break we ve been looking for!!
C mon home 88!! We need ya!!
I can't help but wonder if he burnt the bridge that would bring him back to Winnipeg. After leaving here for Toronto I'm not sure his pride would allow him to return to Winnipeg. I suspect he may just go back to doing his podcasts and retire.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 26, 2024, 03:38:03 AMRasheed is still on the Argo's website roster... any confirmation on his release?
Only what I saw on twitter - Jeff Hamilton is a pretty reliable reporter. We will likely know more tomorrow
Quote from: J5V on July 26, 2024, 04:02:26 AMI can't help but wonder if he burnt the bridge that would bring him back to Winnipeg. After leaving here for Toronto I'm not sure his pride would allow him to return to Winnipeg. I suspect he may just go back to doing his podcasts and retire.
No bridges were burned, he was legit heartbroken that we let him walk. He wants to be here.
Quote from: J5V on July 26, 2024, 04:02:26 AMI can't help but wonder if he burnt the bridge that would bring him back to Winnipeg. After leaving here for Toronto I'm not sure his pride would allow him to return to Winnipeg. I suspect he may just go back to doing his podcasts and retire.
Nope, Sheed was 100% class act on all media. Maybe the best I've ever seen after a release. He wanted to be here. He'd be 100% welcome back if the price is right (i.e. cheap).
Quote from: The Zipp on July 26, 2024, 04:06:03 AMOnly what I saw on twitter - Jeff Hamilton is a pretty reliable reporter. We will likely know more tomorrow
Confirmed: https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-argonauts-wr-rasheed-bailey-among-three-released-1.2153847
Do we have the cap space?
Mods thread started for Bailey, can merge
Injuries continue to pile up
The @Wpg_BlueBombers have made three changes to the lineup for tomorrow. On are DBs Marquise Bridges and Tyrique McGhee and LB Max Charbonneau. Off are LB Kyrie Wilson, FB Bailey Feltmate and DB/LB Brian Cole. Wilson, Feltmate and Cole, unfortunately, moved to the six-game injured list.
Kyrie and Cole on the 6 game is baaad news
Wilson out is some seriously bad news. Ugh.
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Derek Taylor
@DTonOBBombers roster for Saturday vs the Argos. No
Kyrie Wilson for the first time this season.
Tony Jones moves into the starting LB spot in his 2nd Bombers appearance.
And no FB with
Bailey Feltmate going to 6-game IL
Is Wilson also being moved to 6 game IR? That's another unfortunate blow to the roster. We'll see how Jones does at WIL. A little surprised he bumps Ayers as next man up although he does have some CFL experience.
Obviously no Lawler or Whitehead this week.
We're running out of healthy bodies on defence.
Why are we putting in McGhee instead of whitehead? We already have Bridges, and Griffin rostered.
Our roster mgmt or rather lack of is nuts
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 26, 2024, 02:23:32 PMIs Wilson also being moved to 6 game IR? That's another unfortunate blow to the roster. We'll see how Jones does at WIL. A little surprised he bumps Ayers as next man up although he does have some CFL experience.
Obviously no Lawler or Whitehead this week.
We're running out of healthy bodies on defence.
Wilson was moved to the 6 game list however at this point its not an indication of how serious the injury is.
Most players now get moved to the 6 game as there is no limit on how many you can remove early from it.
Jake Kelly is the only player on the 1 game injury list.
Quote from: Pete on July 26, 2024, 02:32:01 PMWhy are we putting in McGhee instead of whitehead? We already have Bridges, and Griffin rostered.
Our roster mgmt or rather lack of is nuts
I'll read between the lines here: We just signed Aaron Grymes. We've got 11 (yes, 11!) secondary athletes dressed (CB/HB/S/SLB). That's not really super typical of us. I thought better defensive line play would help but maybe they've reached a different conclusion and are not super happy with how it's going back there. The secondary is hard to evaluate on outcome alone and it would appear they are looking for more/different options.
We dont look for new options we just recycle old oned
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 26, 2024, 02:36:04 PMWilson was moved to the 6 game list however at this point its not an indication of how serious the injury is.
Most players now get moved to the 6 game as there is no limit on how many you can remove early from it.
Jake Kelly is the only player on the 1 game injury list.
It sort of is. It means they very likely don't expect him to practice next week (because he can't on the 6-game until near the end). Fair, they could take him off on Monday but if it was a minor thing they'd almost certainly 1 game him. He will probably miss a few weeks at this rate.
Quote from: Pete on July 26, 2024, 02:49:32 PMWe dont look for new options we just recycle old oned
I'll fact check that assumption, based on who's in the line-up tomorrow:
Tyrique McGhee - 1 CFL game
Marquise Bridges - 4 CFL games
Terrell Bonds - 7 CFL games
Michael Griffin - 18 CFL games (13 with Calgary last year)
Tyrell Ford - 19 CFL games (7 as a starter)
I was referring to the changes on the roster in adding options, Mcphee started out as our main option, he was deemed not good enough as he got whipped in two preseason games, been on the pr off and on or over a year. If they think hes an improvement why roster Bridges? Rather than have Ayers starting in we put in Jones because he has experience.
We don't do anything to address vets that aren't performing such as Alexander. When we find someone who's not doing the job we go back to players we've previously let go.
Quote from: Pete on July 26, 2024, 03:05:49 PMI was referring to the changes on the roster in adding options, Mcphee started out as our main option, he was deemed not good enough as he got whipped in two preseason games, been on the pr off and on or over a year. If they think hes an improvement why roster Bridges? Rather than have Ayers starting in we put in Jones because he has experience.
We don't do anything to address vets that aren't performing such as Alexander. When we find someone who's not doing the job we go back to players we've previously let go.
My guess is because trying to catch lightning in a bottle is unlikely and only looks good on paper usually.
Why is Chad Kelly on the Argos AR?
Kelly activated so he can practice.?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 26, 2024, 02:45:06 PMI'll read between the lines here: We just signed Aaron Grymes. We've got 11 (yes, 11!) secondary athletes dressed (CB/HB/S/SLB). That's not really super typical of us. I thought better defensive line play would help but maybe they've reached a different conclusion and are not super happy with how it's going back there. The secondary is hard to evaluate on outcome alone and it would appear they are looking for more/different options.
One more reason to have extra secondary players against the Argos would be to help cover Grant.
Quote from: LXTSN on July 26, 2024, 05:13:20 PMOne more reason to have extra secondary players against the Argos would be to help cover Grant.
Absolutely. Good point! (it's also a short week against BC and it's possible there are some guys with a few dings. Perhaps depending how the game goes we may want options there).
Man o man are we nicked up
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 26, 2024, 05:46:14 PMMan o man are we nicked up
Based on the game chart posted - this is at least IMHO the weakest game day roster I have seen in a very long time. Not much there to hope for - at least from what I can see.
Ben Grant @Ben__Grant
Here's how the Argos will line up against the Blue Bombers. McFadden, Mital, Milton, Ungerer, and Baron are in. Dennis, Edouard, Bailey, Brinkman, and Joseph are out. #Argos #CFL
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Jesus Murphy, Wilson out long term really hurts! To me he was the only one holding our run D somewhat together.
Jones has a cool name but does he have the goods? TONNYY...- Seinfeld
Cole out to really sucks as well.
Quote from: BBRT on July 26, 2024, 06:11:13 PMBased on the game chart posted - this is at least IMHO the weakest game day roster I have seen in a very long time. Not much there to hope for - at least from what I can see.
I have hope, weak yes but not beaten (yet)
Cameron Dukes gets the start in Week 8 for the @torontoargos vs. the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
#CFL
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 26, 2024, 06:15:50 PMBen Grant @Ben__Grant
Here's how the Argos will line up against the Blue Bombers. McFadden, Mital, Milton, Ungerer, and Baron are in. Dennis, Edouard, Bailey, Brinkman, and Joseph are out. #Argos #CFL
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I don't know these names well that are out, anyone notable ?
Quote from: theaardvark on July 26, 2024, 03:27:32 PMWhy is Chad Kelly on the Argos AR?
Is he? He's nowhere on the GD depth chart, and the bottom page shows the entire AR. He's actually nowhere on that sheet, not on AR, PR nor IR.
Argo D-line (https://x.com/i/status/1816588719719055729)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2024, 02:32:42 AMIs he? He's nowhere on the GD depth chart, and the bottom page shows the entire AR. He's actually nowhere on that sheet, not on AR, PR nor IR.
The CFL website, if you look at "players" and choose "toronto", he is on the AR.
https://www.argonauts.ca/roster/ (https://www.argonauts.ca/roster/)
Quote from: theaardvark on July 27, 2024, 03:33:25 PMThe CFL website, if you look at "players" and choose "toronto", he is on the AR.
https://www.argonauts.ca/roster/ (https://www.argonauts.ca/roster/)
Argos were waiting to hear whether he'd be eligible to return to practice soon, but no indication that will happen just yet.
Some info suggested that was at the discretion of the Argos but that doesn't seem correct. Other players suspended in the past have been unable to participate until post suspension.
It's not clear whether the 9 game minimum suspension will even be extended.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 27, 2024, 03:56:25 PMArgos were waiting to hear whether he'd be eligible to return to practice soon, but no indication that will happen just yet.
Some info suggested that was at the discretion of the Argos but that doesn't seem correct. Other players suspended in the past have been unable to participate until post suspension.
It's not clear whether the 9 game minimum suspension will even be extended.
Sheed was released for a reason and I don't think it was a locker room problem. It was likely to make room for Kelly. Why the Argos would want to tie their brand to the likes of Kelly is bizarre. They should have released him. He is one bizarre dude.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2024, 04:37:10 PMSheed was released for a reason and I don't think it was a locker room problem. It was likely to make room for Kelly. Why the Argos would want to tie their brand to the likes of Kelly is bizarre. They should have released him. He is one bizarre dude.
Bizarre is putting it mildly. He's been strange from the start and a perfect fit for the Argos
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 26, 2024, 06:50:58 PMJesus Murphy, Wilson out long term really hurts! To me he was the only one holding our run D somewhat together.
Jones has a cool name but does he have the goods? TONNYY...- Seinfeld
Cole out to really sucks as well.
Losing these two is huge....Cole was our best back there by far....always in position even when he did get beat...Wilson was our best LB and no disrespect to #4 who has visibly lost a step but we still need his experience back there. If we win it will require a minor miracle and intervention from the football gods...but miracles are not a good bet these days. When have you seen a team as beat up as the Bombers this season? Can't recall?
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 27, 2024, 05:06:41 PMLosing these two is huge....Cole was our best back there by far....always in position even when he did get beat...Wilson was our best LB and no disrespect to #4 who has visibly lost a step but we still need his experience back there. If we win it will require a minor miracle and intervention from the football gods...but miracles are not a good bet these days. When have you seen a team as beat up as the Bombers this season? Can't recall?
Completely agree. Some divine intervention would be greatly appreciated.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2024, 04:37:10 PMSheed was released for a reason and I don't think it was a locker room problem. It was likely to make room for Kelly. Why the Argos would want to tie their brand to the likes of Kelly is bizarre. They should have released him. He is one bizarre dude.
David Morassutti:
Ryan Dinwiddie said the #Argos decision to release Rasheed Bailey had to do with the ratio and salary cap. They loved what Bailey brought to the team and it was a hard conversation to let him go.
Ben Grant:
It's really tough. They're very high on Polk, who is only 22 and on a rookie contract, and DaVaris and Coxie are DaVaris and Coxie. With Mital and Ungerer back and Edouard hurt, you have to start two Canadian WR, and the Americans vets aren't going on the PR.
Quote from: J5V on July 27, 2024, 04:37:10 PMSheed was released for a reason and I don't think it was a locker room problem. It was likely to make room for Kelly. Why the Argos would want to tie their brand to the likes of Kelly is bizarre. They should have released him. He is one bizarre dude.
Kelly returning has zero impact on Rasheed being released.