MOP's 2024

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blue_gold_84

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We are now in The Find Out Phase, eh.
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theaardvark

There is no clear cut MOP at this moment, but there are still games to be played.

High paid players aren't excelling, rookies are being a little surprising, but no real standouts.  Pretty much every QB has been pulled or injured.  No defensive player has been lights out for a full 14 games. 

This is not an MOP year, looking at the standings, especially in the west shows why.

The player that is being argued for is on the 8th place team in a 9 team league. 

Yes, you have to have some stats to back up a claim for MOP.  But its not just about stats, its about effectiveness.  Is your team better for your play.  Are you carrying your team on your back, and winning.

BLM is having a good year, but he's not carrying his team on his back.  He's folding when it matters most.  THAT is not MOP stuff.  MOP comes on to the field, late in the 4th, 2 scores down and engineers the win.  Or shuts down the opponent.

We might see a D player in consideration.  For MOP and/or MOC.  Again, there are consequential games to be played, and how the current "candidates" do in those games will decide the winner, I have no doubt.  Because right now, its a toss up and a consolation award given to a player who is not "outstanding".

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Jesse

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 25, 2024, 02:43:24 PMIt's Most Outstanding Player, not MOP on a winning team. BLM's done way more on a bad team than any other QB has on winning teams.

Can't think of too many situations where an Outstanding QB is last in the standings.

Is it outstanding to rack up passing yards when your team is being blown out and the defence is in prevent?

BLM has been benched for his play this season and only went back in when Powell got injured. I have a really hard time getting behind a case for BLM this season.
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The Zipp

BLM for MOP is a joke at this point in the season. MAYBE if they win out and make the playoffs. 

dd

Quote from: The Zipp on September 26, 2024, 12:33:51 AMBLM for MOP is a joke at this point in the season. MAYBE if they win out and make the playoffs. 
A total joke. If Powell was healthy, he wouldn't even be playing, how can he possibly be MOP. Just because Hamilton sucks, and he's done decent, that doesn't make him an MOP. I would say Collaros is more of an MOP than hillbilly Mitchell.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 25, 2024, 02:43:24 PMIt's Most Outstanding Player, not MOP on a winning team. BLM's done way more on a bad team than any other QB has on winning teams.

So, answer the question:

If a QB puts up 500Y passing every game but loses all 18 games, do they get MOP?
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 25, 2024, 02:58:10 PMNo. Just predominantly.

If it was mostly a stats thing then a computer program could decide the MOP.  But it's not, because there's a big human factor involved: impressions, emotions, bias, memory.  The voters are human, bringing all that baggage to the table.

Many years it's easy to see the guy with the most WOW factor.  The stats usually follow the WOW.

Some years, like this one will be, it's more of a "pick the slightly better guy out of a handful".  Often the MOP-is-QB years are like that.

Looking at the list, it's often when non-QBs are chosen that it is truly the WOW guy: Solly, Cornish, Owens, Simon, Stegall.  Some QB years deserve it too, like BLM for at least 1 of his years, and maybe Zach 2021.  QBs are often the easy-way-out convenient no-good-choice years.  So that will probably be what happens this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFL's_Most_Outstanding_Player_Award
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: bunker on September 25, 2024, 03:42:15 PMhttps://3downnation.com/2024/09/25/could-bo-levi-mitchell-win-cfl-m-o-p-even-if-hamilton-tiger-cats-miss-playoffs/

Haha:

"Can a player win M.O.P. despite missing the playoffs? History would suggest the answer is yes as two individuals have previously done so: Willie Burden and Jimmy Edwards."

Both were RBs.

1975 & 1977.  So basically half a century since a losing team got the MOP.  So I wouldn't bet money on it happening again.
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Because there is no one obvious, someone is going to get it based on their career. This is what voters will think: Bo Levi, great career but has his already. Brady does not, therefore it's his turn.
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theaardvark

Can you be MOP and not be MOC? 
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TBURGESS

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 26, 2024, 04:45:00 AMSo, answer the question:

If a QB puts up 500Y passing every game but loses all 18 games, do they get MOP?

Absolutely they do.
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Probably not possible to throw for 9000 yards and lose every game but if it happened I'd vote for them! ha

theaardvark

I guess the BLM for MOP debate hinges on can you have excellent numbers but be totally ineffective at winning, and be "Most Outstanding".  I guess its a "famous" vs. "Infamous" debate.

All things being equal, a player that wins takes the award over a player that doesn't.  A player that is healthy over a player that misses games.  A player the coach has 100% confidence in every game over a player that his coach pulls his starting job to start a rookie, only to get back in due to injury.

If any player balls out the last 4 games, I think we stop talking about BLM's MOP potential.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 26, 2024, 05:18:29 AMHaha:

"Can a player win M.O.P. despite missing the playoffs? History would suggest the answer is yes as two individuals have previously done so: Willie Burden and Jimmy Edwards."

Both were RBs.

1975 & 1977.  So basically half a century since a losing team got the MOP.  So I wouldn't bet money on it happening again.

Willie Burden had an outstanding season in 1975, I remember it well.

"He set a new CFL single-season rushing record, running 332 times for 1,896 yards. He also set a CFL record with 2,127 yards from scrimmage and led the league with 2,387 all-purpose yards and 15 total touchdowns. His best day was November 2 against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, when he tied Lovell Coleman's team record of 238 yards in a game. Burden was rewarded with the CFL's Most Outstanding Player Award and All Canadian All Star honours in 1975."

Can't even recall a player named Jimmy Edwards.